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artemisia

Mr Hipkins – one of his first interviews in the new role this morning. Not a great start IMO. He talked very fast but saying little or nothing substantive.

That is actually fair enough at this early stage but he is not coming across as anything like strong and decisive. Lots of ‘ums’ and ‘you knows’ (which we don’t). He did give a hint though when he said ‘a year is a long time in economic management’. OK then.

Interview was after 7 am news on NewstalkZB.
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January 23, 2023 8:01am
- emmess
  
  Also, on the AM show here.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpoXb5_MaRM
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Thanks for the link. Random impertinent question:
    
    Is Ryan Bridge a giant? Or is Hipkins the shortest Prime Minister since Bill Rowling?
    
    He looks like a 14-year old schoolboy sitting next to Bridge in that clip.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:20am
    - Paulus
      
      See him against Sepuloni – he is a dwarf.
      
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      January 23, 2023 11:04am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        No thanks! I prefer to avert my gaze when either of them are on screen.
        
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        January 23, 2023 12:09pm
    - Sacha
      
      Muldoon was a shorty too. He suffered from Short Man Syndrome –
      
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      January 23, 2023 12:12pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        vertically challenged
        
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        January 23, 2023 1:48pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        How did he suffer SMS? What examples spring to mind?
        
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        January 23, 2023 2:11pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        And Peters eould be the worst with wee man syndrome
        
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        January 23, 2023 4:26pm
    - artemisia
      
      Photo in the article at the below link, case in point –
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131037328/were-doing-too-much-chris-hipkins-prepares-to-cut-government-policies
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:43pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Shane, the Platform producer for Michael Laws in Central Otago said today he looks like the ginger headed, buck toothed kid from MAD magazine.
        
        That is racist against ginga’s or something. Ginger misandry. Ageist too.
        
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        January 23, 2023 9:19pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Hipkins already getting bashed about his physical characteristics.
      
      See! We live in a equal opportunity abusive society! Misogyny Schmisogyny!!!
      
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      January 23, 2023 2:36pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      He’d probably look pretty funky in AC/DC guitarist schoolboy getup.
      
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      January 23, 2023 5:56pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  So nothing new from camp labour then? Oct 14 – bring it on!!!!
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Heard him, the leftie host was quite tough on jim which was good, but in the end he had nothing to offer, Cunliffe poking his t try often nose in saying 3 waters and the media merger will be gone, but they have spent more than a billion pissing around with this crap, to stop it now is worse than thinking the shit up, the problem was these muppets refused to listen, bye bye Chipkins
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:17am
- Jim
  
  Thought similar, but 10/10 for Peter’s questions (the interviewer). Chippy certainly looked like the boy from the Hutt, just as he did during some of his incoherent statements at the C19 podium of truth.
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:01pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Freedom Day! Commemorating the ongoing struggle against communism by our allies in Taiwan and South Korea.
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January 23, 2023 8:03am
- Jack5
  
  Timely, that Milky raises Taiwan’s defence in his daily meditation.
  
  Any invasion of Taiwan will be a helluva headache for our China-friendly politicians.
  
  The cost to America of any attempt by China to invade Taiwan will be huge, according to war-games simulation analysis by a Washington think tank, the Centre for Strategic and International Studies.
  
  The Wall Street Journal reports analysts played a Taiwan-invasion war game 24 times, and most times American intervention repelled the invaders.
  
  However, the simulations suggest America in three weeks would suffer half as many casualties as it did in 30 years of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US Navy would lose dozens of ships, including two aircraft carriers.
  
  The simulations suggest that Taiwan needs to ramp up its military conscription and preparedness, and America needs to catch up on supply of arms ordered by Taiwan. It also suggests successful fighting off an invasion relies on American use of Japanese bases.
  
  Where would NZ stand?
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:38am
  - Jack5
    
    More on the Taiwan invasion simulation:
    
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:47am
  - rouppe
    
    I suspect this is why the USA is reluctant to get too drawn in to the Ukraine conflict.
    
    If they got to drawn in they would not be able to apply full pressure to any Chinese move in Taiwan.
    
    China is circling like a vulture, waiting for a weak spot to become apparent.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:50am
    - Jim
      
      Thanks to Biden the US is already there. It’s really another US proxy war, but this time with Russia, and more importantly, a nuclear power!
      
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      January 23, 2023 6:29pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Unless we wake up where NZ stands would be irrelevant. We have no reliable military capability. We cannot guarantee a frigate and the P8s are not yet in service. We have no suitable army, a very good but unusable SAS and other than that a one company gendarmerie. I see Australia announced this morning a billion dollar mine purchase, on top of all sorts of other things. NB National’s Defence Spokesman is unranked ie not on front bench.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:54am
    - Keith White
      
      I was a Tax-Free Vulture (Territorial Force of Volunteers) back in the day, and our NZ training was appropriately demanding and has stood me in good stead over years in not particularly pleasant places overseas, especially but not only after man-made and natural disasters.
      
      From what I hear from people still nervous in the service (that’s kind of an in-joke but not really) we are basically toothless these days. We have extremely well trained and active small groups as good as anywhere in the world; we have almost 0 logistics and other support capability to deliver them and keep them supplied and at the tip of the spear.
      
      Just one more thing to thank Helen 1 for, not at all. The CCP could invade and take over the whole of New Zealand simply by turning up on a container ship and marching into Auckland. Especially if Helen 2 and Ardern and Chippie get what they want = to disarm ordinary Kiwis. This may well be what they intend, but of course, we won’t know until it’s too late
      
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      January 23, 2023 4:52pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Cassandra,
      How much do you actually know about the NZDF?
      They would be able to deploy mounted (LAV3) Battalion Group. With artillery (105 mm) and Javelin anti tank weapons. Plus helicopter transport. The NZ Army and NZDF still has essentially the same deployment capability as it had for the deployment of the Battalion Group to East Timor, which was rotated three times.
      It is true that right at this moment the P8’s are not operational. But they will be within a couple of months. It is the reason why the P3 is being retired early. Because the transition will be quite quickly made.
      The RNZHN could now deploy a frigate, plus tanker support. It is true that for the last couple of years the frigates were not available, but the midlife upgrades of the two frigates is now complete.
      It is certainly true that there are recruitment and retention challenges. But it is quite incorrect to suggest that the NZDF is no more than a one company gendarmerie force. That definition would better fit the French forces deployed in the South Pacific.
      
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      January 23, 2023 5:47pm
      - NoCash
        
        Regardless, I wouldn’t want our armed forces to be cannon fodder of the US.
        
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        January 23, 2023 6:18pm
      - NoCash
        
        Besides, I have read that before covid, there were some 400,000 Taiwanese living and working in mainland China, if ordinary Taiwanese hate China so much, why would so many of them working and living there?
        
        Most politicians in the US and some in Taiwan on the other hand no doubt hate China for malicious reasons.
        
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        January 23, 2023 6:37pm
      - Keith White
        
        Wayne, in East Timor the Kiwis outgunned the locals. That’s not going to be the case elsewhere.
        
        The RNZAF has an average 5 airworthy helos at any time.
        
        The RNZN Navy has 0 submarines.
        
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        January 23, 2023 8:19pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        XiPing is trembling in his boots with all our capability.
        
        How about a diplomatic solution, Jacinda for NZ Ambassador in Taipei?
        
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        January 23, 2023 9:18pm
    - Jim
      
      NZDF doesn’t have any real offensive capabilities, and without support of allies our defence capabilities would be overrun in a few hours by the simplest of foreign incursions.
      
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      January 23, 2023 6:33pm
  - NoCash
    
    Would you be OK if the reunification is peaceful without either side firing a single bullet?
    
    The US is eager for a war, but I think the Chinese govt is patient and will wait, unless the Taiwanese govt is stupid enough to declare independence.
    
    Mind you, both PRC and ROC consider each other part of China and the UN officially recognises PRC is the one China, so technically we couldn’t call any PRC military operations on the Taiwan island an invasion, as you can’t invade your own territory.
    
    Btw, technically the Chinese civil war has not ended yet.
    
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    January 23, 2023 4:41pm
  - tf78
    
    Clever move getting the USA to give most of it’s military equipment to Ukraine leaving themselves wanting.
    
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    January 23, 2023 7:43pm
- Biscuit
  
  I’m disappointed in you, mike!
  
  Today is also Wellington Anniversary Day, celebrated on the closest Monday to January 22nd, commemorating the arrival of the first settler ship – the ‘Aurora’ – to Petone Beach on January 22nd, 1840.
  
  It behoves me to instruct you peasants NOT from this fine city to grovel before your masters.
  
  You too, pdm!
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:57am
  - pdm
    
    Were you on that ship Biscuit?
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:03am
    - Biscuit
      
      :: Winces ::
      
      (But upticks the Hawkes Bay resident anyway,,,_
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:07am
      - Keith White
        
        Correctomundo. Every Hawke’s Bay resident deserves an uptick , they are always gracious hosts.
        
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        January 23, 2023 4:53pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The ship’s biscuit?
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:47am
  - kevn
    
    hipkins.. another slogan type.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:03am
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s an interesting coincidence that a ship of the same name (Built 8 years earlier) transported 1820 settlers from England to South Africa.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:26am
  - Simon Arnold
    
    I note in passing that I’m fortunate to be married to Wellington royalty whose ancestors came out on the Aurora and the first child born in Wellington from parents off the ship.
    
    Covering all bases, others of her ancestors got to Christchurch on a ship that came before the so called “First four ships”.
    
    She however fell on hard times – bits of my lineage seem to include escapees from Australian arranged accommodation.
    
    It’s what makes NZ such an egalitarian society.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Ihe Settlers’ Memorial on the Pito-one foreshore, with its sculpture of the Aurora, is one of my favorite places. I too whakapapa back to the 1840 Pakeha arrivals in Whanganui-a-tara.
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:54am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      It’s what used to make NZ such an egalitarian society.
      
      Fixed it 🙂
      
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      January 23, 2023 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is Taiwan our ally?
  
  I was unaware that NZ had any diplomatic relationship with that Nation.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The term ‘ally’ need not be restricted to any formal diplomatic relationship. The United States does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan either, yet I’d be comfortable describing that relationship as an alliance.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:51am
    - Jack5
      
      More important than diplomatic relationships when it comes to Taiwan are dependence on semiconductors.
      
      Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Ltd is the world’s most important semiconductor maker. It is reported to make 90 per cent of the world’s advanced semiconductors.
      
      Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway two months ago invested $US4 billion for a minority slice of TSMC.
      
      The Taiwanese technical giant was described on the “Motley Investor” on the Net recently as the world’s most important company.
      
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      January 23, 2023 10:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  9 more months till we get freedom
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:17am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Hopefully. All sorts of nasty shenanigans will probably unfold before then.
    
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    January 23, 2023 2:17pm
Frank the tank

How long before Chippy gets run over by Mahutacorp?
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January 23, 2023 8:04am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Already happened.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:11am
  - Jim
    
    100% – no opposition in the leadership!? Chippy has likely made some concessions to Mahuta, and will proceed with certain projects that are not wanted by the broader electorate. If so, this will be his undoing.
    
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    January 23, 2023 6:47pm
- Colville
  
  There is no way Hipkins got the nod without doing a dirty backroom deal with the Māori caucus.
  
  Policies will be hidden this year and if New Zealand is REALLY stupid and Labour are back this time next year all those divisive policies will be back as legislation.
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:04am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Yes, PM elect Hipkins has already refused to detail his discussions with the Maori caucus, so what does that tell you?
    
    Clearly a back room deal was struck in return for Mahuta not standing in opposition and for the Maori caucus to cancel Saturday’s meeting, and to not raise a whisper about being bypassed for DPM. (Surely Hipkins saying Sepuloni being the best person for the job is racist against all Maori MPs!).
    
    And that deal would be… “back me for PM, lay low over all controversial race-based policies for nine months so I can get Labour over the line in October, and once Labour is back in charge go for your lives with your portfolio’s and race-based policies”.
    
    Hardly rocket science.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:50pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Soon as he starts to drop 3 waters
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:18am
  - Jim
    
    He should do, but is unlikely to as his ‘arm was up his back’ from day one.
    
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    January 23, 2023 6:48pm
  - tf78
    
    It seems it’s already done and dusted and up the GG level ready to pass.
    
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    January 23, 2023 7:52pm
Maggie's partner

I listened to Chipkins on the radio this morning. Sounds like this is going to be The Year of Um Er Bribery
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January 23, 2023 8:05am
- rockape
  
  Watch for a wealth tax and capital gains tax, at least that was what i got from his interview with Ryan this morning.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Looks like it
    
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    January 23, 2023 11:21am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Sounds like a guaranteed way to lose an election.
    
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    January 23, 2023 3:45pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Grant Robertson won’t care, he’s hell bent on getting his taxes through and will set up the legislation in such a way that trying to repeal will be fraught with fish hooks.
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Talking about tax cuts on the tv, oh and he says some people are not paying, here we go again, they just don’t get it, cuts for the poor who pay nothing, hikes god the rich pricks including CGT now Cindy is gone, how about tax rates like Sweden for the so called rich pricks
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:20am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Has he been PM for five minutes yet? And he’s already talking about people not paying their fair share? We all know this is true, but we also know they’re not the people he’s referring to.
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:57pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He isn’t even pm yet and is talking about tax
      
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      January 23, 2023 4:30pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Ardern cont.
      
      People seem to somehow think things will improve now he’s in the job, but he was her No1 go-to-guy and has simply moved positions sideways as required.
      
      There is no fundamental shift in ideology as some commentators have been busy to try to differentiate Ardern and Hipkins in the past few days.
      
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      January 23, 2023 10:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        He was also the person that said he would go out and look for unvaccinated
        
        https://twitter.com/GillianMcKeith/status/1616663310459338752
        
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        January 23, 2023 10:05pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    cuts for the poor who pay nothing
    
    If they pay nothing, then there can’t be much to cut …. ?
    
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    January 23, 2023 3:00pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Use ya head, they pay a small amount of income tax, they get that back with family tax credit making then nil tax payers, but they will be negative tax payers when they cut their income tax
      
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      January 23, 2023 4:31pm
    - Mike H S
      
      It is the virtue signaling that matters Ian. You are correct that it won’t achieve anything but it will allow him to say to all his followers “What a good boy am I.”
      
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      January 23, 2023 4:35pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yep. Pork barreling on the already maxed-out taxpayers credit card is all they’ve got left.
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:19pm
oldpark

Came across an interesting political Quote recently
which sums up Arderns previous track record and a wake up call for her replacement .

“Governments’ First Duty is to protect the people
not run their lives.”
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January 23, 2023 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  ruin.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:32am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘run’ works as well
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:46am
BeaB

Hipkins and Sepuloni remind me of Noel Coward’s quip when someone asked who the little guy was sitting next to Queen Salote. “Her lunch.”
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January 23, 2023 8:07am
Cassandra

New PM can’t explain the ToW yet has been in the co-governance Cabinet for 5 years. Perhaps if he’d said “Whatever Nanaia says it is” it’d be more plausible. NZ needs a one page explanation of the Treaty and its principles, if any, drafted by ACT and then entrenched by referendum. Then we’ll all understand it, we can stop wasting money on an industry and Maoris can get on with being New Zealanders – which is what the Treaty promised in 1840.
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January 23, 2023 8:08am
- septic skeptic
  
  This is the single biggest problem we have, manifesting itself in education, water supply, the democratic process, our language, race relations and our rights as citizens.
  Recession and inflation will pass. He puapua could require a revolution.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:13am
- I remember when
  
  Surely there can be no better explaination of the Maori view of the Treaty than Sir Apirana Ngata’s in 1922.
  At a time when there were Maori who had at least heard elders views on the effects at the time.
  Of course, he did also say that Aotearoa was the North Island.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:23am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-NgaTrea-t1-g1-t1.html
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:59am
  - leoj
    
    How about that? A respected maori suggesting that the “A’ word only refers to the North Island.
    So, what about the South Island?
    What about this for a novel idea? Let’s call all three major islands NEW ZEALAND. What a concept!
    To the morons who insist on bastardising the country’s PROPER name, stick it up your gunga.
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:56pm
    - Ghost
      
      How about we call the North Island Aotearoa, and the South Island, well, we’re just going to up anchor and become New Australia.
      
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      January 23, 2023 2:00pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    I think we non Maori should read that piece by Sir Apirana (print it out and carry it with you): Then quote his statements to Maori revisionists.
    
    It would be interesting to hear how those revisionists can explain away the words of a man of great Mana and great learning in Tikanga Maori as Sir Apirana was.
    
    he very clear shows that Maori relinquished sovereignty and became British Subjects of equal standing to all other British Subjects.
    
    How the hell do very intelligent people in the legal profession reach conclusions that the Treaty is akin to a Partnership (Lord Cooke of Thorndon) and which has morphed over the last 30 plus years in it is A Partnership?
    
    Seriously Maori revisionist and their non Maori fellow travelers are mischief makers of the highest order.
    
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    January 23, 2023 3:51pm
- kowtow
  
  What “principles”.
  
  There are 3 articles, that’s it.
  
  ps It needs to be consigned to history where it belongs . A simple nullity .
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    The ToW has 3 Articles…. but over the last 40 years the Waitangi Commission and Our Courts have developed/ derived “Principles”.
    
    https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/principles-of-the-treaty/
    
    There’s not a Govt Department now that doesn’t have to take account of the “Principles” of the TofW.
    
    ? 4 -5 principles…..Partnership/Good faith/Protection/Redress/ Self-determination
    
    https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/WT-Principles-of-the-Treaty-of-Waitangi-as-expressed-by-the-Courts-and-the-Waitangi-Tribunal.pdf
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:18am
- Simon
  
  Maorification will be ok if its a better system than NZ has currently. But its not a better system it cant compete against NZ’s euro centric system. Not at the moment at least.
  
  Seems to somewhat justified in the claim its better for Maori but forced upon general population without any merit. Doesnt appear to be better for Maori.
  
  How will learning “Maori science” about rocks having their own life force help NZ compete in the international market place in say electronics?
  
  Does Maorification have any merit over the current system? Any examples?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:47am
  - rockape
    
    I could see a benefit if we take some of it to the logical end. Maori health for example. All those Maori currently undergoing white mans treatments for heart conditions and cancer could be shipped out of the white mans hospitals to the nearest Maori witch doctor. I am happy they get their fair share of the health budget provided no Maori make ANY call on our pakeha health services ever again.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:05am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Why do you think one minor political party, ACT, should get to state what the treaty means today? And should their version be privileged over one from another minor political party, the Māori Party for example?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:56am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Because one party represents one race, while the other party represents all races.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:54am
  - Cassandra
    
    Because they’ve had the balls to say so and no other party has. Help yourself, mike, give us your version and put it to the voters.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:58am
  - rouppe
    
    Many people have already drawn they conclusions but maybe we should hear from both parties what it means. My view from observing them is :
    
    ACT: Everyone is equal under the law, no one has any more rights than anyone else. Leaders are elected, with every citizen having a single vote of equal value to everyone else.
    
    Maori Party: Maori, as the first (a lie, but nonetheless) people to arrive on boats have privileges above everyone else who came after. Those other people don’t deserve to own property here because its been stolen, even though that’s how we did things anyway before they arrived. We get preferential access to any resources, both ancient and modern, even if we didn’t know about them beforehand.
    Leaders will be appointed by a vote among “our people”. To be clear, “our people” isn’t anyone non Maori.
    
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    January 23, 2023 11:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It is simple now, just dumb lefties don’t get it, we came together as a
  nation as one, partnership if you like, all NZers to be treated equally as was happening before this rotten regime
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:23am
- tf78
  
  Judge Anthony Willey did a great post last week on “Changing of this country’s laws/rights MAORI SOVERINGNIGHTY.”
  He lays out the original wording of the Treaty and said the best thing we can do is memorize it or write it on a business card. He is so right.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:00pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Link please?
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:14pm
    - tf78
      
      Sorry it was emailed to me from a friend. If you googled Judge Anthony Willy’s Chilling Prediction; it will come up.
      
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      January 24, 2023 7:15am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Thanks that’s fine.
        
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        January 27, 2023 10:40am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/01/claims-jacinda-ardern-driven-from-top-job-by-online-hate-ridiculous-melodramatic-am-host-ryan-bridge.html

Ryan Bridge summing it up nicely. It’s not the online hate that pushed her out, it was the falling polls.

And he can say whatever he likes without the mob coming for him, because he is a homosexual. It’s a strange time.
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January 23, 2023 8:10am
- JJ56
  
  Politik (Richard Harman) claims the great reset and move from identity politics had been planned from before Xmas.
  
  It raises the question that perhaps Jacinda resigned because she lost her identity?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Jacinda Ardern was PM in name only for most of last year at least.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:22am
  - rouppe
    
    Conversation before Christmas.
    . We are crashing in the polls. How do we fix that?
    . We have to scrap some of these policies.
    . But I’ve said this is policy for years?
    . Look, you can resign “for family reasons”. Everybody does it. There will be jobs lined up for you in some international agency you can take your pick.
    . But I’ve just said that Sharma’s by-election was unnecessary
    . If you remain MP until August you can still get paid, you can do all the things you’ve put off, and give all those agencies six months to come up with an offer worthy of your star status. Plus, you can snipe at that prick Luxon in the meantime.
    . Good as gold! Let’s do it at the conference so it seems like a surprise
    
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    January 23, 2023 11:19am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The polls fell because of ineptitude, arrogance, and as far as I see corruption
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:24am
Hugh Jarse

And just like that, six years of name change was forgotten and Aotearoa suddenly went back to being called New Zealand. Forrest Gump 2023
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January 23, 2023 8:11am
- Matt Long
  
  Ummm, have you seen the top 3 of the party most likely to hold the majority of the government after 5he next election?
  I guess My Egmont will get its name back too…
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:32am
  - Frank the tank
    
    I’ll bet my left testicle that it won’t under Luxon, Willis and Bishop.
    
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    January 23, 2023 12:10pm
- Richard
  
  I thought it was odd hearing Ardern and Robertson talking about ‘New Zealand’ this and ‘New Zealand’ that. To me it simply confirmed that they’re slippery bastards who are happy to enforce the use of ‘Aotearoa’ in the public service and media but won’t put their head above the parapet and use the name themselves.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:34pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Interviewers should start asking if they mean Aotearoa.
    
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    January 23, 2023 2:41pm
- lemuzz
  
  Meanwhile the millions of dollars spent on letterheads, advertising and signwriting the new foreign name which no one can pronounce will have to be repeated to remove them. The potholes in the roads will have to wait another six years till LTSA can save enough money to repair them.
  
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  January 24, 2023 7:59am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqLm4p-nZbM

NHL Player Tells Woke Radicals to shove it!

Ivan Provorov of the Philadelphia Flyers refused to participate in a scheduled pre-game warm up where the team wore LGBT pride themed jerseys. They were also to use sticks wrapped in rainbow tape. [7:46]
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January 23, 2023 8:11am
- tf78
  
  I think I read this afternoon that Provorov’s jersey has been selling like hot cakes.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:03pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBOMYGK3bmY

Iran’s Protests Subside: What Happens Next?
The protests that have been sweeping Iran since last year have begun to subside following the execution of protestors, but it’s clear there’s still huge opposition to the Regime. So what will happen next? And what can the protestors do to succeed? [10:42]
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January 23, 2023 8:12am
softail 1450

Chris Hipkins is saying that Ardern received a huge amount of abuse in the last year of her prime ministers role, he seems to have conveniently forgotten the 3 years of abuse that woman heaped upon her own citizens on both sides of the political spectrum.
If Hipkins wants to make any headway this election season he’ll find it easier if he just shuts his mouth about Ardern and pretends she never existed.
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January 23, 2023 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  Did he make any mention of the eight plus years of vile abuse directed at John Key and his family?
  
  Or English?
  
  Or Collins?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:22am
  - Ghost
    
    Still is, any article about max and the lefties pile on. I see the media are monitoring max’s social media and commented on a photo he posted the other day.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:31am
  - leoj
    
    Moronic lefties are keen to point the finger, except at themselves.
    
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    January 23, 2023 2:35pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think we should all take your advice, Softie.
  
  Let’s never speak of her again
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:49am
  - Roberta
    
    She who shall not be named!
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:16pm
Tricati

The media fawning over the selection of Hipkins and Sepuloni as Labour’s new leaders conveniently forget both were part of Arderns cartel, with Hipkins being in the inner sanctum so party to all the policies he now says are under review.
For Hipkins to request his family is off limits cries hypocrisy, as he had no trouble defaming Charlotte Bellis, maligning the 2 woman who reportedly caused the Northland shut down only to find it was a government cock-up (still hasn’t apologised), and brought Bill English’s family into a parliamentary debate (under privilege), and had to return to the house to withdraw and apologise – Bloody hypocrite.
The release (Kiwiblog yesterday) of the appalling social welfare stats showing significant increase in the number of people receiving benefits since 2017 across most demographics, has happy been overlooked by the MSM as the treat Sepuloni as some second coming.
I depair.
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January 23, 2023 8:14am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Is he being noble protecting his family or ignoble protecting his own reputation?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:26pm
BeaB

Hipkins a working class hero? His mother is the chief researcher with the NZ Council of Educational Research. Perhaps a family of academics might be closer to the truth?
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January 23, 2023 8:15am
- Nickc2
  
  Exactly!! I heard that leftist clown Roman Travers on ZB this morning describe Hipkins as ‘Working Class’. IMO, he’s no such thing. He’s straight out of University and into politics (New Labour).
  https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-global/who-is-chris-hipkins-new-zealand-prime-minister-8395431/
  But hey, he must be a friend of Julie-Anne Genter, he rides a fuckin bicycle to work.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:31am
  - Ghost
    
    After graduating, Hipkins held a number of jobs, including working as a policy advisor for the Industry Training Federation, and as a training manager for Todd Energy in Taranaki.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hipkins
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:38am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Talking for a living. Not doing for a living.
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:50am
      - Sacha
        
        -and telling people what to do.
        
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        January 23, 2023 12:22pm
    - Nickc2
      
      What did he learn in University that equipped him for the Natural Gas sector? He studied Politics and Criminology at University. That position would have been a ‘gimme’ until they found him a job in Politics.
      I rest my case, he never got his hands dirty.
      As for being a Policy Wonk in the Industry Training Federation, you have to have Union Credentials (or know folks who know folks) to get that kind of job.
      I also note that times spent in such jobs (if they were jobs) are not specified.
      
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      January 23, 2023 10:34am
      - Ghost
        
        You whinge he never had a job and went into politics now you whinge about the kind-of job he had. Perhaps you should submit to labour nicks approved job list they should work in.
        
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        January 23, 2023 10:38am
  - rockape
    
    More likely got that when he was working for Mallard. Hipkins in Lycra would have the same effect on my stomached as Mahuta in a corset and suspenders.
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:12am
    - Nickc2
      
      Go easy rockape, I’m just contemplating what to have for lunch!
      Then again, I have been known to say “nothing makes me sick”.
      
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      January 23, 2023 11:27am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Her suspenders would be white but all frayed snd losing it’s colour
        
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        January 23, 2023 12:24pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  The Labour media unit and the media building the legend of working class hero. The slobbering over him by the media is predictable but no less embarrassing
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    Is there any money to be found down the back of the PJIF Couch? Surely, there can’t be much, not even small change eh?
    
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    January 23, 2023 11:30am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nope, they used that for the Vick up in ev handouts, they only received half the Ute tax, oh well, another failure
      
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      January 23, 2023 12:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It will sicken level headed voters just like it did when they put Cindy on a pedestal
    
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    January 23, 2023 12:26pm
R

Strangely, I haven’t seen these welfare figures being reported by the media. Maybe someone could ask the new deputy PM about them. At least Parliament will have something to discuss when MPs eventually return from their long break.

Recipients of the job seeker benefit are, on average, on that benefit continuously for more than 8 years. At least one person has been on a job seeker benefit continuously for more than 45 years! I imagine they’ll be moving on to Super in the near future. Potentially their whole life will have been spent in receipt of a benefit. I’d be astonished if they’re the only person in this position.

There are currently 15,450 people who have been on a benefit continuously for 10 years or more. The idea, promoted by those on the Left, that welfare is temporary and that everyone wants to work doesn’t seem to be reality. Some 4,600 people who are ready for work have been on a job seeker benefit for 10 years or more. If they’re ready for work, and given that we apparently have a hot labour market, why haven’t they found work?

https://fyi.org.nz/request/21024/response/81134/attach/3/OIA Response Sheppard.pdf
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January 23, 2023 8:15am
- R
  
  It’s worth noting that the job seeker benefit was introduced in 2013…anyone on a benefit continuously for 10 years or more won’t have been receiving a job seeker benefit for the duration of their non-work. However, previously they may have been in receipt of an unemployment benefit.
  
  https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/benefit-factsheet-changes-2013.html#Howdotheoldbenefitcategoriescomparewiththenewcategories2
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:25am
pdm

Did anyone else think when listening to Chris Hipkins interview with Tim Dower on NewstalkZB just after 7am that his nickname will quickly change.

From: Chippie
To: You know

However, good to see New Zealands Prime Minister (select) actually fronting on the station – hopefully that will continue next week.
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January 23, 2023 8:15am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  What does (select) mean?
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:16am
  - R
    
    Presumably that he was selected by his party’s MPs, not by voters lol.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:20am
  - Jimmy Brown
    
    To choose.
    Do keep up.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:20am
  - Cinematic
    
    Come on Mike. I reckon you can figure that one out. Have faith in you.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:23am
  - john1234
    
    As opposed to elect. You know, by the people.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:24am
  - redeye
    
    The ‘s’ is silent.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:25am
  - Nickc2
    
    Try ‘elect’.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:31am
  - pdm
    
    He has been selected by caucus as PM but is not in the job yet.
    
    New Zealands PM is Jacinda Ardern until about midday Wednesday.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:38am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      So, like every other PM until formally appointed by the governor-general? Sorry, I thought you might be indicating something different about him.
      
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      January 23, 2023 8:46am
    - crikey
      
      Pdm: Yes, but properly expressed Hipkins is PM elect.
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:06am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He can’t be pm elect either, pm select maybe
        
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        January 23, 2023 12:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, you know well that your “(select)” is a typo for “elect”.
    
    Quibble, quibble … have some breakfast, man.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:44am
    - Jack5
      
      After all, there can be no such accurate description as “select” among Labour politicians.
      
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      January 23, 2023 8:51am
      - kowtow
        
        Peters selected Ardern .
        
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        January 23, 2023 9:38am
  - emmess
    
    I think the correct title is ‘Presumptive Prime Minister’
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  Hipkins has no fear of Hosking or HDPA. However neither do they of him. Both sides will be spoiling to see who gets the best of whom.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:27am
  - alloytoo
    
    Hosking and HDPA tend to come armed with facts, that’s what Ardern found so disturbing.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He makes a fool of himself when unable to answer anything
    
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    January 23, 2023 12:31pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Prediction: Hipkins will eventually flee The Hosk just as The Incredible Jacinda did. He’s too quick for their little games and it will become too painful for the lad to bear.
    
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    January 23, 2023 2:23pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, he goes on Hosking and looks sick, same on HDA, he seems happy yo look pathetic, so that won’t change
      
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      January 23, 2023 4:38pm
Surely Knott

Snuck through during the Christmas period. NZ announced the 4th vaccine death in late December a week before Xmas. It was confirmed by the medsafe board in November and the death had happened in March??!?!

Apparently the medsafe board didn’t have the full information to make a decision earlier. What information were they missing and why didn’t they have it. Why did it take 9 months for them to identify myocarditis a known risk factor. What tests take 9 months.

Shrug. Who knows. Not for our media to go asking too many questions.

Well who was it and how old were they? Gender? What were the circumstances of the death? How many vaccines had they had? How long was it after the vaccine?

Nope you don’t need to know that either.

“Te Whatu Ora and the Board will not be commenting further on any details about this case and ask that the whānau’s privacy is respected during this difficult time.”

But why not. Dont’ we have a right to know. Even if they don’t give a name. Isn’t the safety report supposed to be our safety system. Other deaths are disclosed in full. Drownings. The first covid death. We know names, their medical history and we celebrate their life in the paper. Why is covid deaths and vaccine deaths a secret.

How can we make informed decisions, politically or medically if information is withheld.

And finally if this vaccine death happened in March and is only being disclosed now. How many other deaths are there that we don’t know about.

And one last thought, the lawyer who posted the memo of the science advice on the brash hide website. The advice went to cabinet that kids should only get one vaccine , shouldn’t be mandated and it caused myocarditis. Is that just his personal enquiry or is it part of a legal case?

Still waiting to hear results of the young NZ lady in the UK who died on the tanning bed also.
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January 23, 2023 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  But te media pardy will make a massive deal about the so called Wanaka runaway couple or various “prostitutes” operating under lockdown ( but not so much about two members of the ‘science communidy going for a paddle)
  
  but they don’t cover actual deaths .
  
  Disgusting , regime hack , hypocrites .
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The VoLTE hit thin in the KFC worker
    
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    January 23, 2023 12:32pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      And here is an example of one of NZs regional dialects.
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:44pm
- Keith White
  
  It is completely and utterly fascinating how we can have scientists tell us what a mummy in an Egyptian tomb died of 10,000 years ago, but there is absolutely no way they can tell us what caused the 17-21% increase in deaths during the first post-vaccination year in western democracies who had a high vaccination uptake. Other than SADS (sudden adult death syndrome). Which of course is not a diagnosis, just a description.
  
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  January 23, 2023 5:04pm
Opie

Read this in an article yesterday:

“Labour have opted for the most diverse top four in New Zealand’s political history.

Chris Hipkins has been confirmed as Prime Minister. He’s picked Pasifika woman Carmel Sepuloni as his deputy PM.

Kelvin Davis stays on as deputy Labour leader and will keep up the Māori representation, while Finance Minister Grant Robertson represents the rainbow community.”

New Zealand. Where your skin colour or sexual orientation is more important than your ability to do the job you are being paid eye watering sums of taxpayer money to do.

This isn’t going to end well. Diversity hires never do.
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January 23, 2023 8:21am
- alloytoo
  
  Seek ye excellence and diversity will follow.
  
  Seek ye diversity and mediocrity will result.
  
  (It goes without saying that a mediocre collection of this current batch of Labour MPs is well below the national average in any sort of useful skill)
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:35am
- MiddleclassTrash
  
  Indeed.
  Unless you hire on merit, you inevitably get diversity of competence. Never a good thing.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:15pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Was Carmel a REAL selection for Deputy Leader….or just another diversity tikbox?

Here’s wot Bomber thinks:

https://twitter.com/CitizenBomber/status/1617021617196134401
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January 23, 2023 8:24am
- alex Masterley
  
  I find it astonishing to acknowledge that I agree with Bomber Bradley.
  I need a lie down and some strong drink.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And something I didn’t know until coming across it in Bomber’s thread….
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/67565730/carmel-sepulonis-mother-sentenced-for-benefit-fraud
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:37am
    - Biscuit
      
      Family Criminality seems to be a badge of honour for the current Labour mob, Maggie.
      
      Grant Robertson’s dad, in similar vein, was imprisoned in 1991 for stealing around $120,000 from the law firm he worked for.
      
      Still, you can’t visit the sins of the fathers/mothers on their offspring … and who is to say that if you went back a generation or two you wouldn’t find something in MY family that erred from the straight and narrow that I have (thus far) successfully managed to steer.
      
      My big tip to you: BURN the bodies as you accumulate them!
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:06am
      - rockape
        
        But Carmel did try and bring the issue up in Parliamentary question time on her mums behalf when it was heading to court. And that’s not on!
        
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        January 23, 2023 10:20am
      - rockape
        
        Alan’s brother to on I think murder charges.
        
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        January 23, 2023 10:23am
      - Ghost
        
        Irrelevant. Roger McClay was guilty of fraud, should we tarnish Todd?
        
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        January 23, 2023 10:29am
      - rockape
        
        Stuff headline 2019. “ Labour MP Kiri Allan’s brother charged with murder over Whanganui death”
        
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        January 23, 2023 10:25am
      - MCōs
        
        Speaking of which I only found out last year while looking through old newspaper archives my uncle, who has the same name as me, was convicted of car conversion.
        I was also told he pinched money from his place of employment. Although nobody in the family talks of these things.
        Later again he gave his life in defence of his country during WWII, which wiped the slate clean a hundred times over and is why I proudly carry his name forward.
        Sometimes Americans, in particular, say thank you for his service. Why thank me? I didn’t do anything.
        Just the same as I didn’t have run ins with the law.
        
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        January 23, 2023 10:31am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Not just that Robertson stole money from the law firm, it was little old ladies life savings he stole
        
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        January 23, 2023 1:31pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes , and as usual because it was labour it was different, the excuse was you can’t be blamed what family do, which is fair enough, but man if it was Luxons sister of wife it would be different, the vulgarities would be immense
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:29pm
  - Keith White
    
    In Vino, Veritas.
    In Beer, Bullshit.
    In Vodka, Vindication.
    
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    January 23, 2023 5:01pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Well……
  
  1). Grant didn’t want to be second fiddle to someone he thinks he is superior to.
  2). Wood has horrendous favorability ratings outside of the converted and is struggling in his portfolios.
  3). Woods ditto and visually sends the wrong message.
  4). Allan apparently has some rather large skeletons in her closet that would have come out.
  5). Kelvin, Willly and Mahutacorp would by themselves create a 5% dip in support.
  6). Parker, Nash(nil) and Little didn’t want it.
  
  Therefore quite frankly Carmel got it by default. And lets be frank because she doesn’t do anything is unlikely to make many mistakes.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:32am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  NZ govts have at least since the war tried to have diverse representation in the PM & Deputy PM roles. If the PM came from Auckland then the Deputy likely came from the South Is. Urban vs rural electorates likewise.
  
  The problem now is that intersectionalism makes it difficult for all ‘communities’ to be represented, hence the rise of individuals who tick multiple boxes. In the old days, competency was a given, but that’s had to take second place behind diversity.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:36am
  - Keith White
    
    I find it fascinating how people think that diversity is somehow going to improve wherever that diversity is being implemented. Over the course of years abroad, I have worked in some highly diversified countries, for example, Papua New Guinea, and Liberia, and even a spell in Madagascar. I can’t speak for any other area of human endeavour, other than as an occasional attempting-user of diverse airlines, taxis, hotels and restaurants in said locations; but I do absolutely advise you: whatever you can do to avoid being the recipient of highly-diversified medical and surgical services, just go out and do it.
    
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    January 23, 2023 4:58pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Over at the Standard, they no longer like Bradbury. It is so amusing watching them fight amongst themselves.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But they dooooooo like Slater, bwhahaha, you couldn’t write this shit
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:35pm
- kowtow
  
  Took one for the team and watched 3 news.
  
  She and the te media pardy making so much of her being first person of her ethnicity in said job. So what.
  
  I thort all this identity politics stuff was anathema and we’re not meant to comment. Unless it’s to gush.
  
  The “news” also declared the new line up as the most diverse in history.
  
  I don’t recall them being so effusive over the Bridges/ Bennett leadership , folks in the position through merit and not gender / diversity box ticking to appeal to te media pardy and thicko “progressive” voters.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:55am
  - Swifty
    
    Bridges and Bennet were the wrong type of Maori.
    
    Same as Seymour.
    
    None of them are real Maori. Real Maori are only those Willie Jackson has control over.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Oh hang on, you know e we hat Willie says, they were not the right sort of Māori
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:36pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… A special K Mk2 version.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:59am
- James Stephenson
  
  I’m not sure it’s a “diversity tick box” but it is a transparent (and pragmatic) move to try to shore up the Pacifica vote for the GE.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:59am
  - greybeard
    
    Not sure if that will work: most of the Pacifica votes are from Auckland and they never did Efeso Collins any good.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:43am
  - GJM
    
    The media love the inclusive term “Pasifica”? How realistic is it – my understanding is that there is no love lost on the whole between the various groups, especially Tongans vs Samoans.
    
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    January 23, 2023 6:50pm
- David Lenny
  
  You are quite mean, MP. If the world’s leading democracy and superpower can have Kamala Harris as its #2, why can’t we have Carmel Sepuloni as our #2?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:05am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Number 2 is an appropriate call. 😉
    
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    January 23, 2023 11:31am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I see what you did there Donald. I think 😀
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:03pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Good point. Idiots of a feather flock together eh?
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:48pm
john1234

Bomber has moments of clarity. This is one. However he’s completely jumped the shark over the reasons for Jacinda quitting and pushing the “burned out by online hate” myth. Completely paternalistic and condescending.

Ryan Bridge is onto it: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/01/claims-jacinda-ardern-driven-from-top-job-by-online-hate-ridiculous-melodramatic-am-host-ryan-bridge.html
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January 23, 2023 8:26am
ClanMcleod

I’m still wondering who is going to be the first journalist to ask Hipkins about his role in removing very important health information regarding the danger of vaccinations in young people in particular.

It was published on the bassetbrashandhide blog site.
Here is one example of the malfeasance at play. If you haven’t read both parts of this post, do so.

I will refer to the minutes of relevant Cabinet and committee meetings which are publicly available. Those documents demonstrate that key recommendations made by the government’s technical experts were not implemented in relation to:

increasing the dose interval between the first and second dose from three weeks to at least eight weeks for the under 30s in order to reduce the risk of myocarditis; and permitting the under 18s to have only one dose for the purpose of workplace mandates.

In addition, there is clear evidence in the official documents that it was agreed that references to increasing dosing intervals as a method of potentially providing some protection against myocarditis should be removed from public communications.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1

Why would you remove this evidence from public communications? For political reasons. Hipkins was the Covid Minister at the time. It is beyond belief that he wasn’t aware of it. If by any chance he wasn’t then HE should be ensuring the person responsible is not only fired, but are arrested and charged.
This information has been available for almost a week. I find it unbelievable that it hasn’t been discussed in the mainstream media. This is not “conspiracy theory”, this is information from government documents.

Where are the journalists? Where is Michael Baker? Suzy Wiles? What say you “experts”?
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January 23, 2023 8:26am
- Frank the tank
  
  They won’t. The MSM are willing partners in the WEF’s CovidCult.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:33am
  - kowtow
    
    They’re more than willing partners .
    
    They are the enablers and attack dogs .
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:43am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Worse than that, our DG of Health – you remember him, Sir St Ash – should have said no a couple of steps prior to this.
  
  No, you cant hide health information
  
  No, the public have the right to be informed to make a decision
  
  No, mandating will lead to really shitty long term take up of services when and where we need them the most, and screw up the trusted relationship we must have with the public.
  
  Sadly Sir St Ash didn’t have a pair. It will be on Sir St Ash’s head when history looks back and sees the significant rise we are experiencing in excess deaths.
  
  Our last DG of Health was way too political, way too close to the Podium of Truth (TM) to act in an independent and steadfast manner which is what he was paid to do.
  
  History will not treat him kindly.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    This is relevant. Jeffrey Tucker revisits his first post re covid from January 2020.
    
    These days, many people are justifying the egregious government response to the virus based on the claim of ignorance. We just didn’t know and could not know, they say.
    
    It’s preposterous. It was obvious from early on, to anyone who cared to look, that Covid was a textbook respiratory virus and that lockdowns would change nothing long-term about its trajectory. We all knew from all history that muscling people, closing schools and business, and introducing travel restrictions and quarantines would impose major damage on society, markets, and public health.
    
    There really is no excuse.
    
    The lesson I’ve taken away is that the quarantine power is far more dangerous than even I imagined. I’ve also been late to observe the astonishing power of Big Pharma to manipulate policy for its own ends. When I wrote the following, I did not even imagine that there would come a time in the near future when this industry would claim that we could vaccinate our way out of this pandemic. It was too absurd a scenario back then even to contemplate. And of course I never imagined that the lockdowns would last two years and more in many places. Sheer madness.
    
    https://brownstone.org/articles/my-first-anti-lockdown-article-from-2020/
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:18am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Very relevant. As is the fact that the National Pandemic Strategy was never enacted. Why not?
      
      Surely our RCoE will ask that question?
      
      I have a lazy hundy that there is zero chance of that happening.
      
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      January 23, 2023 10:01am
- Souvlaki
  
  Agree… serious questions of ethics and informed consent lie at the heart( excuse the pun) of this matter.
  They must not go unanswered….considering the numbers involved and the effect on young people.
  Where are you Sandra Coney? Or is only a problem if it affects ‘wimins health’?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Souvlaki – it is mind blowing that it hasn’t been asked already. It is clear evidence that our fourth estate are in the pocket of government.
    In saying that, the silence to date from National and ACT is extremely concerning. Where is Shane Reti on this?
    
    This mammoth in the room isn’t going anywhere and the longer people try to avoid it, the harder it will be to deal with and start the process of healing and moving on.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:05am
    - Biscuit
      
      Fear not, Clan.
      
      I have it on good authority that Nicky Hager is already onto the second page of his ‘Chris Hipkins: His Part In Jacinda’s Failed Legacy’ exposé that will be in all good bookstores within the month.
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:16am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Good stuff, it will be an instant bestseller. Unless Hipkins can ram through “hate speech” laws before then. //
        
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        January 23, 2023 9:19am
- Keith White
  
  The experts are staying schtumm and later will try the “mistakes may have been made but our intentions were good and we all believed Sir Ashley and now let’s move on” schtick.
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

A UK story about people who overcommitted on property during Covid. I thought the comment below is telling, and relevant to NZ. Hold on to your hats, people, the next 12 months will be a bumpy ride.

“When we bought, it was inconceivable to me that interest rates would be going up this much. I’m not sure we’d be able to weather another big financial change. Retrospectively, I feel it was quite irresponsible for the bank to lend us this much, and I know they would have lent us more.”

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/21/upsize-downsize-why-the-covid-property-race-for-space-went-sour-for-homebuyers
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January 23, 2023 8:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Sorry, but anyone who bought in the last 2 years, who didn’t do so by factoring in a “stress test” of interest rates going to at least 8%, didn’t really think it through. I feel for them, but this was always going to happen.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:22am
  - Swifty
    
    The banks do it before they approve the loan.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:31am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then they should be fine, unless they fiddled the numbers to get on the ladder.
      
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      January 23, 2023 9:45am
- Taieri
  
  When we bought, it was inconceivable to me that interest rates would be going up this much.
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  Perhaps there should be a law, which prohibits people incapable of thinking from accessing finance?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:46am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Secondary teachers about to take industrial action. Not this week, obviously.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/01/teachers-industrial-action-could-have-big-impact-on-schools-ppta.html
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January 23, 2023 8:38am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131035531/chris-hipkins-reorients-labour-towards-fighting-pandemic-of-inflation

So I take it that the broom was in the back of the cupboard when Mr Hipkins was discussing with his colleagues about all these policies that they have now realised don’t appeal to the voters?
Hypocrisy and cynical opportunism reign supreme in the Labour caucus.
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January 23, 2023 8:40am
- RoboRob
  
  I guess thats the problem for all ‘swap in’ leaders, if they were involved with policy at a high level it is hard to pretend you didn’t support a policy.
  
  Jacindas exit has allowed for Labour to ‘flush’ some unpopular policies that will likely help them somewhat. Hipkins is a far smarter cookie than JA however I just dont see him holding onto the ‘female’ vote that she garnered. Without that Labour are toast.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Canning the policies now after not listening to NZers will be worse than the vulgar dreaming them up and staying silent on them at the election
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:42pm
- Paulus
  
  Most of the Labour Caucus will be out of a job come the election.
  Wonder wht they think ? – or not and only do what they are told.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:22pm
Philview

Journalists are reporting the brilliance of the Labour Party in running a smooth quick leadership transition. The reality is that Jacinda’s resignation has clearly been known for months and leadership strategy and planning has been going on for sometime.
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January 23, 2023 8:41am
- RoboRob
  
  I’m sure they have been working through all this over Christmas. There is no way that this was a surprise to the Labour caucus.
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Quite so. The “smooth quick leadership transition” we have seen over the past few days was actually carefully choreographed and stage-managed. Time will tell which journalists were given advance knowledge, and whose gasps of disbelief last week were genuine.
  
  It will also be interesting to know whether the briefings between the PM’s press secretaries and the political editors of media companies giving heads-ups on the likely stories to develop each week will continue under Hipkins’ reign.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:00pm
Swifty

We’ve got it all wrong – Ardern has delivered a wonderful economy:

https://michaelwest.com.au/murdochs-wailing-old-white-man-scribes-get-jacinda-ardern-dead-wrong-again/
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January 23, 2023 8:45am
Maggie Pie

Maybe it’s just me, but does anyone else find this ‘loving-embrace’ a wee bit weird?

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1615877761377210368
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January 23, 2023 8:46am
Colville

Funny.

https://twitter.com/NickLittleNZ/status/1616942249857945601/photo/1
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January 23, 2023 8:48am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I want it to be true. But the projection of the text looks fake/does not have ‘vanishing point perspective’.
  Do we have any other evidence?
  Supposed to be a video of it being made, but I can’t find it online.
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:27am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Found the footage down the comments under Tom Potter, hope the link works
    
    https://twitter.com/KiwiFreeSpeech/status/1617058108936982529?cxt=HHwWgsDUxYry-PAsAAAA
    
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    January 23, 2023 11:58pm
ClanMcleod

Excess Deaths in Finland and Norway in 2022 Were Higher Than in Sweden in 2020

Experts told us Sweden got it wrong. It didn’t.

Experts told us that wearing masks would stop infections. They didn’t.

Experts told us the vaccines would end infections, hospitalisations and deaths. They didn’t.

Supposed experts continue to tell us that U.K. excess deaths are down to the U.K. not spending enough on health care. It isn’t.

Everywhere else in the world is starting to understand what a disaster the policies of the last few years have been – except apparently New Zealand.
Media won’t talk about it, everybody wants to pretend it just didn’t happen, move on, we’re over it.
Excess all cause mortality is off the charts in NZ in the last 5 months. It isn’t “covid.”

Tumbleweed from the “experts”, politicians and mainstream media.
How long can they collectively keep singing “lalalalalalala” while inserting their finger hard into their ears? The sooner we have this conversation the sooner we can get on with the job of rebuilding relationships and the economy.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/22/excess-deaths-in-finland-and-norway-in-2022-were-higher-than-in-sweden-in-2020/
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January 23, 2023 8:48am
- Frank the tank
  
  All will come out in time.
  
  It begins with Jim Jordan and the oversight committee for the next couple of years followed by a GOP President/Senate in 2024.
  
  The GOP is the ONLY mainstream political party not completely taken and controlled by the WEF. And you have Trump, despite his failings to thank for that.
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:07am
- CPB
  
  Lockdowns and mandated vaccinations are the greatest public policy disaster in NZ’s short history. But given the Govt, media and opposition all vehemently supported it we’re still years away from the truth establishing itself in the wider population
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:17am
Swifty

All is not well in lefty luvvy transland it appears:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Andreas45340478/status/1616332254250438658

This abuse from Shaneel Lal, the very same person cursing the abuse and name calling that people say Ardern was exposed to.

I think Shaneel Lal needs to wash out their mouth out with soap and water.
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January 23, 2023 8:51am
- Taieri
  
  This abuse from Shaneel Lal
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  Abuse? Looks like a normal, expected behaviour…
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:27am
All_on_Red

I stand behind Alec Baldwin
It’s safer that way
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January 23, 2023 8:51am
- mikenmildagain
  
  He’s being prosecuted, isn’t he?
  Any word on prosecuting the Virginia couple who let their 6-year-old shoot a teacher?
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Did Baldwin hold or shoot the gun ? – but naturally when found guilty the price goes sky high for him to pay – and that is what it is all about – after all it is the good old US of A where only money counts.
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:26pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah he did, pointed, pulled the trigger and shot her.
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:34pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Baldwin say he never shot the gun, no no no no no, but forensics says yes he did
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:45pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s a shot (pun intended) of Grover nervously waiting for his scene with Alec Baldwin on The Muppets Show.
  
  https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/5/55/Grover_Baldwin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110430185306
  
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  January 23, 2023 8:59am
artemisia

The company behind a proposed waste incinerator plant has labelled a second returning of its consents an abuse of power.

The latest rejection by Waimate District Council and Canterbury Regional Council is due to no cultural impact assessment/s. The company says not required by law at this stage in the application process.

An objection to the decision is to be lodged. If the councils have in fact acted unlawfully and therefore delayed the progress of the application the rules around refund of fees should kick in. Suspicion has to be it’s political.
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January 23, 2023 8:52am
Yvette

Cramer’s Substack –
Chris Hipkins on co-governance: ‘No-one understands what it means‘
In 2019 then Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern needed to be prompted by Willie Jackson to repeat “kāwanatanga” when she was asked by a reporter what Article 1 of the Treaty says.
Yesterday, when asked to name the three articles of the Treaty, Chris Hipkins, our presumptive Prime Minister replied, “We have kāwanatanga, tino rangatiratanga, and, actually no, I can’t remember the other, sorry.”
https://cranmer.substack.com/p/chris-hipkins-on-co-governance-no?

“So when we return in one year, in three years, I ask you to ask us what we have done for you.
Hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here. And only you can tell me when I have done that.” – Jacinda Ardern
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-makes-historic-speech-at-waitangi/TOIAJPB77CTRLBHUOCRRLDC55E/

Random questions –
■ Will Chris Hipkins’ attendance at Waitangi in a few days be a walk of shame in reflection of what it is revealed, not of what he knows, but what he doesn’t?

■ What of Jacinda’s challenge to “hold us to account” given her close colleague’s knowledge, let alone her own at the time?

■ And, was Willie Jackson’s correction of Jacinda’s awareness of “kāwanatanga” before or after the 2019 commissioning of the work that became He Paupau? And could Winston have bought her up to speed on “kāwanatanga”, if she had bought Winston up to speed on their commissioning of the work that became He Paupau?
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January 23, 2023 8:52am
- Littletramp
  
  Why is it even important for Hipkins to know these things? He has people he can ask at the end of his phone.
  We are being sucked into this paradigm that all things maori are all that matter in this country.
  Surely what is important is the living conditions for the population as a whole.
  Solution – Just don’t buy the product they are offering!
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:25am
  - Yvette
    
    Littletramp – Perhaps with a fuller understanding of the Treaty, Hipkins might ask what “co-governance” has to do with pipe-laying and drains in repairing the nations water infrastructure for the benefit of all New Zealanders, but in particular those on “boil your water” notices now.
    
    Some provisions of “3 Waters” were reversed so they weren’t Entrenched in law, but “co-governance” has been actually entrenched (with a little “e”) in the whole of “3 Waters”
    What part did Hipkins ingnorance, not just of Article 3 of the Treaty, but of what he says people in general have of ‘co-governance” and how does that apply to his own colleagues passing law?
    
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    January 23, 2023 10:38am
Pavel

Whats the bets that at the next election the new PM will he called Christopher.
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January 23, 2023 8:54am
- Matt Long
  
  Or Nicola.
  
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  January 23, 2023 12:32pm
kowtow

I’ve just realised that anyone who opposes 5 waters is not only racist but also “misogynist” , with possibly even a bit of fatmisia thrown in for good measure.
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January 23, 2023 8:59am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Folks – My Labour inside sources tell me that a quickly organised Labour poll has given Labour a 10 point lift and Chipkins is the most preferred PM at 60% and Luxon dropping to 10%. Game over.
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January 23, 2023 8:59am
- Biscuit
  
  Sir Cullen, and then the insider who tallied the votes you mentioned stepped outside the Labour Caucus room and found that in the real world the numbers are somewhat DIFFERENT…
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:20am
- Frank the tank
  
  How was the weekend camped outside Ginny’s office? Surely Ginny is primed for 2029. Thoughts?
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:13am
- Yabster
  
  troll on mate – you are repetitive and boring- shame theres no ignore button.
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:49am
- Nickc2
  
  At what time in the night did you wake up and take your hand off …………. ………….?
  The number and length of the dots have nothing to do with the question.
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Funny that, because stuff had a poll of 30000 on Thursday, it had Nats at 39%, ACT at 15%, Labour at 25% one thing you are right about is game over
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:48pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Nick2 entered his answers about 299,999 times in that poll.
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:49pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Even though he’s now at the wheel of the worst shit show in NZ’s history, he’ll have a brief honeymoon period with the woke true believers. Maybe a month or two, if he’s lucky. As the bad news keeps rolling in for the wreckers and haters coalition that will quickly fade and the nose dive will continue.
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:14pm
Yvette

If journalism in New Zealand was of the standard it was back perhaps in the 70s, 80s, would it have been picked up that in the the US Supreme Court rejection of abortion as a Constitutional right, there were two sides to it –
■ the subject of abortion, and
■ the fact that wasn’t in the Constitution.

New Zealand “journalists” used the first, abortion, to go hit Luxon over his head about his Christian views, until he said the Party had other views, and anycase the matter was now law and safe from any interference he knew of.

No journalist touched the second aspect – what the Constitution actually said a or what it didn’t – as in the case of abortion – and what they applied to here: what the Treaty says and what it does not, or what has been added to it since it was actually written.
That may be bit of an abortion.
Or as now revealed, what our politicians – like Ardern and Hipkins – making laws in relation to the Treaty actually know of what is in it, as written.
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January 23, 2023 9:17am
Maggie Pie

Just overheard my partner telling someone he hopes Chippie has got big enough balls to tell Helen Clark to “f- -k off!”
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January 23, 2023 9:22am
- Frank the tank
  
  There are 3 factions (soon to be 4 with Jacindafangirlz) within Labour you can’t attack:
  
  1). The LBQletters faction
  2). Mahuta and Iwicorp
  3). Emperor Clark
  
  The Chipster knows the score well and if not, Robbo will let him know.
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:17am
- Bob
  
  got big enough……
  they will need to be real unnaturally BIG!
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:15am
- MCōs
  
  The two main NZ political parties have a few ex leaders hovering round with plenty to say.
  Apart from Auntie Helen the rest are old and elderly Nats.
  John Key, mate of Xi Jinping, Don Brash, Jim Bolger, Joyce, Todd Muller, Judith,
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:26am
  - Frank the tank
    
    National by default will have more by having more terms in parliament recently ignoring Muller and Collins who are still sitting MPs.
    
    By design or accident you have forgotten Geoffrey Palmer and David Cunliffe however. Palmer is a deluded lawyer and Cunliffe just deluded. Then there is the one after Goff, alas I can’t remember his name but neither could anyone else hence his lack of airtime.
    
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    January 23, 2023 12:18pm
    - MCōs
      
      You’re thinking of David Shearer who never fitted in as leader and went back to working for doing refugee work with the the UN.
      While all the past leaders are still around, Palmer, Shearer, Goff and Cunliffe, they’re not out there making a noise. Although I did see Cunliffe expressed an opinion on something today.
      
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      January 23, 2023 2:34pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Biased much? Little, Clarke and Goff hovering as much as Muller and Collins!
        
        Send your CV to Canterbury Rugby Union – I hear they are looking for refs!
        
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        January 23, 2023 6:37pm
  - Yabster
    
    Joyce was never leader- more smarts than any of Labour or National current mob put together.
    
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    January 23, 2023 12:25pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Call Helen Aunty as much as you like MCos but no amount of spin is going to turn her into a warm, kingly, benevolent member of my family. Too much like Roald Dahls Trunchbull. She gets more air time than the rest of them added together.
    
    I agree we don’t really need their opinions most of the time. But John Key calling out our hermit nation status was welcome and necessary at a time when everyone was hiding under their beds and airwaves were dominated by the Episcreamiologists.
    
    Others hovering around that you seem to have forgotten include Goff, Parker, Cunliffe and Little for Labour.
    
    You can add Shipley to the list of National ex-leaders who get too much airtime.
    
    BTW, when was Joyce the leader?
    
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    January 23, 2023 6:35pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      kindly doh*
      
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      January 23, 2023 6:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bwhahahahaha, I wonder what the girls at tennis would thi k of that 👍🏻😃🍸
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:50pm
Taieri

Mr Hipkins was discussing with his colleagues about all these policies that they have now realised don’t appeal to the voters?
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There goes Dr Ardern’s “legacy”…non-recyclable?
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January 23, 2023 9:24am
- Biscuit
  
  Taieri, and where’s the CONSISTENCY, eh?
  
  Chris Luxon only has to change his breakfast order and Grant Robertson is bellowing ‘FLIP FLOP!’…
  
  However will Chippie get through Question Time in Parliament, as he details the party’s new agenda (read ‘backtracking’), without similar bellowing(s)?
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:49am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    They’ll call it the Great Labour Reset, or something similar…
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    How often did Cindy flip flop ffs, Ghez Robertson surely is desperate
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:54pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The arseholes did not listen, I heard Hipkins this morning, he says some policy work will be put on hold for now, meaning they will still happen in the future
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:52pm
Jack5

Hipkins, that Chip off the Ardern block, gets full Stuff coverage today as he talks of cuts in some of Labour’s mad policies.

However, there are heaps of lunatic moves by power-drunk Labour. He couldn’t change them all in time if the next general election was 10 years away.

Hipkins hasn’t a chance in hell of stopping Labour’s runaway political locomotive as it roars towards the broken election bridge. Not even if he hurls Robertson and Orr out of the guard’s van.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131037328/were-doing-too-much-chris-hipkins-prepares-to-cut-government-policies
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January 23, 2023 9:42am
- Taieri
  
  Hipkins, that Chip off the Ardern block, gets full Stuff coverage today as he talks of cuts in some of Labour’s mad policies.
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  Where was he when these policies were formulated?
  
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  January 23, 2023 12:14pm
BeaB

Hipkins starting with a lie. The transition from Ardern to hi m the smoothest change of leadership he has ever seen in any party. Wasn’t he alive when Key handed over to English? That was also smooth but didn’t last long. Let’s hope the same applies to Hipkins who is cut from exactly the same cloth as Ardern and Robertson whatever the spin tries to delude us with.
And I am sure Sepuloni will be able to over-rule Robertson from her lofty perch. Ha ha.
They must think we are all fools.
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January 23, 2023 9:44am
- Nickc2
  
  I’m amazed that he won’t call a snap election as soon as he has his feet under the desk. Surely, he’s not bound by Cindy’s dictate of 14 October?
  I don’t want him or his lot anywhere near the Treasury Benches but one would hope he had the best interests of the country at heart and not wish to drag out more of Labour’s dirty laundry in public by sticking in a job he knows he will lose in say nine months time.
  If his Maori Caucus decides to jump Ferries (no, not Fairies), and join the Maori Party, he’ll be left with more than egg all over his face.
  
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  January 23, 2023 11:20am
  - I remember when
    
    The Labour Party’s Maori caucus must have a real dilemma.
    How to retain their seats when Te Pati Maori can make suggestions that may appeal to Maori but not the rest of the population.
    Will the Maori Health Authority and the potential of Three Waters be enough, or do their electorates want more?
    What is the price of their loyalty?
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The Māori party have said they will sit on the cross benches
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:56pm
      - GJM
        
        Sitting on the cross benches measn in practice they will be supproting Labour. There is no chance of them supporting an ACT led government in anything….
        
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        January 23, 2023 7:03pm
- Paulus
  
  I am beginning to hear from different sources that this was discussed and well under way about October/November when the Labour Party changed its President and the new one was unhappy as to how the votes we going for Labour, not Ardern – and it is the Party which is paramount.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:41pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Was Luxons handover not an easy transition?
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I know it is shallow of me to be commenting on someone’s shape and size, but I’m a fan of tall women.

I love how Carmel Sepuloni towers over most of her little Labour mates.

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/1280425421/photo/labour-party-leader-jacinda-ardern-meets-labour-party-mp-carmel-sepuloni-at-lynn-mall-on.jpg?s=612×612&w=gi&k=20&c=HlZO2-N2FXubUW6Lso1o1QTgl5SGNQ4ZAdNBI_sQ2Wo=
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January 23, 2023 9:54am
- Frank the tank
  
  Imagine if Wood or Parker was the leader instead Mags…Carmel could pat them on the head and tell them “off to work you go…..”
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:20am
- Jack5
  
  In the TV announcements it looked as though Sepuloni was introducing a precocious primary-school grandson.
  
  I half-expected her to clip his ear.
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:21am
- MCōs
  
  Politicians come in all shapes and sizes and generally speaking unless you’re a woman nobody cares.
  
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  January 23, 2023 12:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Whew,
    that’s ok, then… I’m a woman.
    
    (at least for this month….)
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018874295/how-does-changing-your-gender-on-legal-documents-work
    
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    January 23, 2023 1:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      Hmmm, and next month if you are a boy what will we call you?
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Heck, I won’t be paying $170 to undergo a name-change as well.
        
        https://www.dia.govt.nz/bdmreview#improved-process
        
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        January 23, 2023 3:04pm
- Sacha
  
  And she wears heels too.
  
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  January 23, 2023 12:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Click on the video.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-real-reason-hipkins-wont-define-co-governance/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Why-Chris-Hipkins-wont-define-co-governance-1.pdf
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January 23, 2023 10:01am
Biscuit

Heh heh, Maggy…

Remember the procession down the Long Walk as the Queen’s hearse neared Windsor Castle.

Marching alongside her was a longstanding favourite equerry of hers, all 6 ft 9 ins of him, who she referred to as ‘Tall Paul’…

And immediately behind TP was a less-than-tall fellow equerry who she might have been tempted to call ‘Short Arse John’, heh…
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January 23, 2023 10:04am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Surely there’s never been a more appropriate time and case for the Death Penalty?

The Daily Mail reports…

‘Gay couple charged with sodomizing their adopted sons, selling videos of themselves raping the boys, and pimping them out to local pedos’ 🙁

https://mol.im/a/11658079
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January 23, 2023 10:05am
- Frank the tank
  
  Scotland Yard will be more interested in charging Sunak for not wearing his seatbelt or someone north of the Watford gap calling in inanimate object “gay”
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:21am
  - mogg
    
    Watford Gap 24hr services, that’s where I would take my girlfriend for late night bacon & eggs back in the 60’s. I had an MG Magnette 1800 cc high compression engine, curved rear window. I thought that I was Joe Cool.
    
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    January 23, 2023 3:03pm
- mogg
  
  That was in Atlanta.
  They do things differently in America, recent case in the news: somebody deliberately tried to run over a woman with a young child in a buggy, they both survived. He was caught taken to court and given probation. When out walking a car pulled up alongside him the driver jumped out and shot him twice in the head. One way or another justice will be done.
  
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  January 23, 2023 12:26pm
  - mogg
    
    ‘Hellfire is eternal’
    
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    January 23, 2023 2:50pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It doesn’t make sense to me that a god who created the universe would bother to torture some humans for all eternity because they couldn’t go against their own (god given???) nature to follow one book written around 2000 years ago by unknown authors!!!
    
    Did you know that there is no mention in the OT of this eternal torture thing? Where did this idea come from?
    
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    January 23, 2023 6:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Remember how Mahutu turned 3 waters into 5 waters without telling anyone? Remember how a judge scrutinised 3 Waters and Mahuta and concluded she was a manifestly dishonest person?
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/tackling_the_culture_of_dishonesty_in_wellington
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January 23, 2023 10:08am
Swifty

You are a female ‘journalist’ for one of the NZ media sites, or a female academic, or merely a female member of NZ’s political commentariat.

You have been left-wing since forever, you became massively invested in Ardern once she became anointed by Labour and when she became PM you became joyous and genuinely greatly hopeful for NZ’s future.

Ever since, on social media and in the news media you have supported her resolutely. You talked up her and her government repeatedly while attacking or mocking her opponents in equal measure. You experienced waves of blissful admiration and ecstasy when you saw Ardern produce what you believed were great speeches, and beamed with pride when she hugged survivors of the CHC massacre, comforted those associated with White Island and read her speeches at the Covid dailies.

Now, with Labour having crashed in the polls, Ardern’s personal popularity plummeting, house prices 50% more than when she came in, record homelessness, quite massive social unrest with Labour’s racially discriminatory laws and policies, a broken labour market affecting our medical sector particularly and with resultant delays in surgeries etc, alongside appalling educational outcomes, alarming levels of truancy and then there is the explosion in street crime that the government first ignored and then latterly decided to try to tackle because they were getting hammered in the press.

On hearing that Ardern is resigning, what will you now do?

1. Write long pieces detailing the issues above, the large and increasing gap between Labour’s rhetoric and results actually achieved and the way New Zealanders have been terribly let down by a PM who once we had such belief in.

2. Blame her resignation on New Zealander’s hatefulness and misogyny because you are full of conflicting thoughts and feelings and are just lashing out, looking for someone to blame for this disaster of losing your political hero.
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January 23, 2023 10:31am
- mogg
  
  Ardern has resigned because her name has become associated with failure and dishonesty.
  
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  January 23, 2023 12:04pm
  - Taieri
    
    Ardern has resigned because her name has become associated with failure and dishonesty
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    Not true. She’s driven out of the job by hate and misogyny. I’ve read all about it in the Stuff articles.
    
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    January 23, 2023 12:16pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      She’s just so stunning and brave. https://youtu.be/jYFefppqEtE?t=144
      
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      January 23, 2023 1:50pm
  - Opie
    
    When you completely fuck something up.
    
    “Oh no, I have arderned that.”
    
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    January 23, 2023 9:44pm
- I remember when
  
  Or, is the question, what do you think of her resigning before the end of her term.
  She is the beacon for the ability of young women to overcome ‘glass ceilings’, the young to replace the stale grey male dominance, the arrival of her generation at the top.
  Is this what is expected of a leading role model?
  Is this the way that it should all end with, as Josie Pagani suggests, an eye to the CV.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From Stop Co-Governance comments yesterday.

Ron Segal on January 22, 2023 at 12:32 pm
It was very obvious several months ago when Ardern was largely AWOL, basking in the adoration of overseas audiences who still saw the princess in new clothes, that she was on her way out, withering under the downwards shift in support and the kind of criticism that would be clinically impossible for her narcissistic personality to withstand. Her withdrawal from critical sessions with Hosking was an early sign that she would cave as soon as Labour’s fortunes took a significant turn for the worse.

Can I suggest that the ‘sense of entitlement’ is a throwback to hunter/gatherer tribalism, which takes from the land rather than adding value, avoiding the stresses and strains associated with individual responsibility and initiative, as the tribe directs and provides.
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January 23, 2023 10:32am
Rusty

Jacinda will be clearing out her office soon– must be lots of Vogue and Womans weekly magazines to take out.
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January 23, 2023 10:54am
cas

Carmel’s husband has also been the recipient of largesse from the taxpayer. The following is from a newsroom article about cutting funding for Arts on Tour.https://www.newsroom.co.nz/grey-and-in-the-way

“Sawyers, now in her 70s, has been selling tickets at concerts and baking cakes for touring artists for 30 years. She appealed directly to Arts, Culture and Heritage Minister Carmel Sepuloni to restore the Arts on Tour funding.

The minister must know first-hand what a treasure the programme is, Sawyers says: Sepuloni’s husband, the musician Daren Kamali, was one of this year’s touring artists with poet laureate David Eggleton and classical guitarist Richard Wallis.

The minister’s response was predictable.

“She thanked me for my long service supporting the arts but she said Creative New Zealand is an independent body and she has no influence on its funding decisions.”

Which is cold comfort for Arts on Tour supporters, but on another level reassuring: Creative NZ recently granted Kamali $73,000 towards the Ulu Cavu Wig Tour of New Zealand.

The project involved harvesting his 25-year-old dreadlocks to make a ceremonial wig in the ancient Fijian tradition.”
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January 23, 2023 12:04pm
BeaB

Hipkins may want to keep his private life to himself but if he has a new partner who is in any political, public or media role then we should be told.
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January 23, 2023 12:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘BFD’ was on to it about a year ago.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:10pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Now we know why his mother brought his suit at Christmas time last year snd not his wife
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:00pm
Swifty

With his recent announcements Hipkins inadvertently reveals and admits what Labour HASN’T been doing these last five years.

They haven’t been ‘laser focussed’ on the economy.

They haven’t been focussed on ‘bread and butter’ issues.

That they haven’t delivered improvement in people’s lives, instead have ‘adhered to a ‘progressive’ March of history view of the world’.

That they haven’t focussed enough on hard-working wage-earning families.

That they haven’t been remotely focussed or effective in controlling house prices. Quite the opposite in fact. (Hipkins now says ‘he is going to tackle the housing crisis’. What? What about the last five years?)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-labour-shifts-focus-from-grey-lynn-to-west-auckland/4GAAV5IT5NDZBNBT3TCZ4DDUFA/

Now he/they want us to trust them and give them another go!

Damn you Labour. Damn you all to hell!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ilU4aLX9c9w
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January 23, 2023 12:57pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Well said.
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:06pm
- kowtow
  
  Yep , it’s hilarious really.
  Te Media pardy , trying to promote young [Mod – use their name] as a man of the people focussing on our daily issues , is admitting the Ardern regime wasn’t.
  
  Oh sorry , am I being “misogynous”.
  
  But this also helps show that te Labia Pardy was overly intent on overthrowing the constitution in favour of a racial minority and in so doing had lost the part of the electorate it needed to get across the line in the upcoming GE.
  
  She wasn’t up to being accused of dumping the Maori stuffand so doing a huge flip flop , U turn , whatever.
  
  ie she had to go .
  
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  January 23, 2023 1:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  I’m informed by a friend that I should feel sorry for Hipkins because he was the one holding the parcel when the music stopped.
  Quite frankly, I don’t feel sorry in the least.
  They tried placing ‘Dumb and Dumber’ in charge when Cindy grabbed the parcel and that turned out to be a disaster. Hipkins can huff and puff with the assistance of a compliant MSM, but the writing’s on the wall IMO. Labour self-destructed and left my country in a pile of shit that will take aeons to put right. I only hope it takes aeons (if ever) for them to once again occupy the Treasury Benches.
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:07pm
- Its only I
  
  The truly sad part is that with the help of the “neutral” MSN they could actually pull it off…maybe?
  
  If Labour keep on being allowed to wipe the chalk off the blackboard and rewrite the lecture just before the exams then National may as well…Foxtrot Oscar.
  
  The post JA polls are going to be interesting.
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:20pm
- artemisia
  
  Ms Ardern was unable to say no to any funding request put in front of her in case members of her caucus were mean to her. Hence Mr Hipkins saying the government was doing too much. Is that euphemism for spending taxpayer money on endless ideological agendas even if they are rubbish? (Yip yip.)
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:27pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Haven’t you noticed that whenever this Government focuses on something they wreck it?
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:47pm
Maggie Pie

They’re saying Willie J was admitted to hospital over the weekend with complications from Covid.

Assume he would have been double-boosted (?)
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January 23, 2023 1:15pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hmm, funny that he was at the announcement in Napier on Thursday, does this mean covid will be rife in Labour
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:02pm
  - Nickc2
    
    He didn’t look too pleased with the Napier fiasco. I wonder if this isn’t just another MDO (Maori Day Off)?
    
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    January 23, 2023 2:18pm
- rouppe
  
  Maybe when he found out Hipkins was going to be Prime Minister he had an apoplectic attack
  
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  January 23, 2023 3:24pm
I remember when

Do offshore wind turbines have the advantage of hiding the number of birds they kill.
As the Albatross capital of the world, do New Zealand have to fully research the effect of possible deaths before installing offshore wind farms.
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January 23, 2023 1:25pm
Philview

I have noticed a few journalists are already switching their support to Chris Hipkins and calling Jacinda Ardern polarizing or divisive. The tone is that Labour have had problems but all caused by Jacinda. It seems the ruthless party machine moves fast.
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January 23, 2023 1:29pm
Maggie Pie

TITTER TRENDING

“My-Body-My-Choice”

The thing you gotta love about the French…they sure know how to protest.

https://twitter.com/RemyBuisine/status/1617170166030139394
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January 23, 2023 1:44pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Possibly would have got more sympathy if they were better looking.
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:06pm
  - MCōs
    
    From who?
    From you?
    
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    January 23, 2023 3:14pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Who wrote that?
      Was it you?
      
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      January 23, 2023 4:07pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Weird. If only they knew that young men simply see this as an opportunity to perve (or laugh) at them. Years ago I used to know a young lefty who would smear period blood on her face to show us how bad-arse and edgy she was. Go figure.
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:40pm
- Jim
  
  Sorry Maggie, erroneous downtick but liked the post.
  
  Why can’t DPF have these separated to prevent such fat finger errors.
  
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  January 23, 2023 7:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No need to apologise Jimmy….
    my partner says the same thing sometimes 😛
    
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    January 23, 2023 7:27pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Many one-dimensional comments as always mostly flavoured by being unable to accept Jacinda has gone and fixations that Hipkins is somehow going to need to either defend her or be critical of her. He smoothly moved past that and stole Luxon’s thunder instead over the cost of living, inflation, and interest rates as being what he will target – exactly what most people wanted to hear.
Effectively he immediately put Luxon in 2nd place on his own issues leaving him to grasp at mid-air.
Keep up folks and beating drums about Covid as the low lander does above requires some 82% of the NZ population to question their own decisions – all round dumb stuff. But keep it up.
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January 23, 2023 1:46pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Poor Bri. You are going to be an unhappy camper come mid-October.
  
  The Chipster will need to do something rather than talk about it. Do you honestly believe he can stop a recession, Mahutacorp and Wokeborg.
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:09pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I won’t be an unhappy camper come October with some of the news releases this arvo. The apparent smallest of which might be dropping speed limit intentions which to me sends a big message about where money is being wasted on “divine” plans, that don’t make sense in these times, if ever. We are finding that is where Hipklins is judging the overall situation from.
    I had no idea who the Mayoral candidate Leo Malloy was about until watching an apparent satirical interview with him where he spoke in a language I get. Got hints of that yesterday from Hipkins and today it’s the full Monty. It isn’t all about Grey Lynn and cycle lanes but about West and South Auckland.
    The worry for the Nat’s is that Luxon didn’t get it or see it unfolding. Like I said effectively Luxon can’t think on his feet or predict a wind change. These debates promise better outcomes for voters.
    
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    January 23, 2023 5:20pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Hipkins is now head of the same dodgy shit show that Jacinda was head of. Mature people recognise this.
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:30pm
- Philview
  
  I have noticed how the media move in line with Labour. Today I read articles applauding Chris Hipkins for not being woke and how he didn’t use the word Aotearoa in his speech. There is a new strategy in town but the media will still do as they are told.
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:52pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  All smoke and mirrors, Brian.
  
  At the end of the day, poor old muggins still has to put food on her table, pay the mortgage, put petrol in the car, buy shoes for the growing kids, and try and locate some eggs.
  
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  January 23, 2023 3:14pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Maggie that’s the note he hit this afternoon, not fixations about the media or the ex-PM.
    
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    January 23, 2023 5:21pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      But it is just talk. It doesn’t actually put food on her table, pay the mortgage, put petrol in the car, buy shoes for the growing kids, and locate some eggs.
      
      Plenty of time to find out if he can translate this talk into good outcomes before October. Evidence from his work in Polytechs and Police is he doesn’t get things done but can front the media and obfuscate. I think the NZ public has had enough of that type of PM.
      
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      January 23, 2023 7:54pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Brian complains about “one-dimensional comments”, and then breathlessly gives us a one-dimensional account of how Chris Hipkins has “immediately put Luxon in 2nd place”. Let’s allow the voters to have their say in October, Brian.
  
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  January 23, 2023 3:29pm
  - Swifty
    
    Always nice to see you here.
    
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    January 23, 2023 3:34pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    They will have their say but what was heard today and yesterday came from Hipkins not the leader of the opposition who either wrongly judged the new PM’s direction or didn’t have the ability to predict it. If that’s not being 2nd I don’t know what is. Someone commented about the ransom held by certain sections of Labour’s caucus but it now might sink in that it’s a reset and appreciate your trophies or its bye-bye.
    We’ll see how he goes but Hipkins is off to a good start.
    
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    January 23, 2023 5:35pm
    - tf78
      
      Brian, just like Hipkins said this evening “I reject that”. (Didn’t take him long did it).
      
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      January 23, 2023 7:29pm
Loddenthinks

Random impertinent question: how can the Ardern apologists and cult-members on the left accuse anyone (actually, everyone) of misogyny, when they can’t even define a woman?

Misogyny: hatred of, aversion to, or prejudice against women
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January 23, 2023 2:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Oh I don’t know, I think they can define a woman, well they did when they were throwing vulgar insults at Paula Bennett
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:15pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You spelled “defame” wrong.
    
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    January 23, 2023 4:09pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    In the loony left realm, abusing, doxxing, belittling and smearing non-woke women isn’t misogyny. It’s “calling out hate”. Get it right.
    
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    January 23, 2023 6:46pm
Maggie Pie

Radio’s ‘Dynamic Duo’

HDPA will be back today at 4. YAY!!

And joining her for the entire program…..BAZZA 😀

(If ZB had any brains, they’d give that woke bore Rowmann the flick and let Barry have his own show).
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January 23, 2023 2:12pm
septic skeptic

Well it sounded to me like Hipkins proposes to tax us into prosperity. Some of us apparently don’t pay our fair share. I’m sure his defi itinerary of fair is different to mine. It won’t work. Productive people will either emigrate or stop producing.
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January 23, 2023 2:25pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Productive people will either emigrate or stop producing.
  
  Yeah it’s definitely going to happen one day. It has been coming for a while …
  
  The ones who stop producing will probably stay. Other will go to Oz to be guest workers …
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:42pm
- tf78
  
  What’s the bet they asset test pensions.
  
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  January 23, 2023 7:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump has a 30 point advantage over Ron DeSantis.
https://finishtherace.com/eric/trump-first-2024-campaign-event-announced/
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January 23, 2023 2:27pm
- tf78
  
  Trump is the only one capable of doing the job that needs doing. DeSantis is a good bloke but he’s got a ready made voting group – (all those who left the Democratic states and those who were already Republicans) Trump won votes from every group and looked out for every group. He loves America and the American people and does not suffer fools.
  
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  January 23, 2023 7:34pm
Jack5

An example of how Labour’s bought media is spinning the political truth.

At the Red Radio site,these words (sorry Kiwiblog’s blockquote function isn’t working):

“But he [Hipkins] hinted those on the lowest incomes wouldn’t be a target for reining in inflation, which – as he noted with the phrase “inflation pandemic” – is a global problem.”

“Noted” implies that it’s an accepted fact that inflation is a global problem, and by implication, NZ inflation is just part of a global phenomenon.

No, it bloody well is not. NZ inflation springs from the insane printing of billions and billions of dollars by Labour geniuses Robertson and Orr through their bond programme to juice up the economy during the Covid epidemic.

Red Radio provides in evidence of its assertion, an article from a blog site comparing inflation in various countries.

The incidence in each of the countries will have various causes, but we know the reason for New Zealand’s inflation: Robertson and Orr’s political equivalent of a long, raging, piss-up across Treasury and the Reserve Bank.

Watch or listen to the bought-off media and the State media over the run-up to the election. They will lie endlessly, Goebbels style, that inflation in New Zealand (“Aotearoa” will be played down for the rest of the year) is merely a world phenomenon.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/482935/incoming-prime-minister-chris-hipkins-singles-out-global-inflation-pandemic-as-priority
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January 23, 2023 2:33pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  With the CPI due Wednesday, the same day he takes over, he’s just trying to show he’s ontoit …… Wonder if he can emulate his predecessor with a gaffe?
  
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  January 23, 2023 5:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats aimed at censoring free speech.
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.

https://spreely.video/v/2867894091/Democrats-Aimed-At-Censoring-Free-Speech—Candace-Owens
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January 23, 2023 2:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Buffering was a problem for me. Bring the quality down to 1 x 360p
  
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  January 23, 2023 2:35pm
Maggie Pie

The girls at tennis recon Chippie isn’t the type of guy that would appeal to most normal women. Even my partner said…. as a bloke, he comes across to him as a bit sort of ‘moist’.

Be interesting to see what the residents at Ma’s retirement-village think.
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January 23, 2023 2:51pm
- Taieri
  
  Be interesting to see what the residents at Ma’s retirement-village think
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  Ladies or blokes?
  
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  January 23, 2023 3:25pm
MCōs

Yesterday a van crashed in Thailand and of the twelve people eleven died.
Pro tip
Avoid traveling by van.
They crash on a regular basis due to speed, driver falling asleep, driver drunk, driver on drugs, driver run out of drugs, tailgating at 120kpm, driver watching TV and texting while drunk and sleepy.
I caught one once. They kept selling tickets and the driver pulled out folding camp seats to squash people into the gaps.
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January 23, 2023 2:52pm
- Swifty
  
  I went on a several week bender once in North-East Thailand and in and around the Thai-Lao border.
  
  Fear and Loathing in Vientiane and Khorat.
  
  The things I saw on the road….
  
  Madness.
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:46pm
- MCōs
  
  More to that story.
  The survivor didn’t even have to go to hospital from what I understand.
  Unbelievably he gave a lengthy TV interview for the news and looked just fine.
  He said the van wasn’t speeding. It may have caught fire from the LPG fuel and crashed in a ditch. He was in the middle of van. Everyone else was incinerated.
  
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  January 23, 2023 5:16pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Likewise SA I think. There the taxi drivers driving the vans seem to be basically gangsters feuding with each other as well just to make life more exciting.
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is a laugh, Classified Documents.
Watch these media wankers repeat themselves. One person says a word, and the rest pick up on it! Media in NZ does the same.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/release-the-hounds-bidens-media-mutts-are-working-overtime-burying-this-mess/
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January 23, 2023 3:00pm
kevn

We now have ‘slogan just a Hutt boy’ at it with his offerings. Media use them as requested. Just subliminal messaging.
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January 23, 2023 3:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I still like Ma’s one…..”an empty suit” 😀
  
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  January 23, 2023 3:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Remmer’s Boy sounds better. Criptions is now PM.
  Just wait for the educated nonsense!
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:12pm
- Swifty
  
  Not only a Hutt boy, but also a very senior Minister in this government since Day 1, across and involved no doubt in every major decision, policy, announcement and tactic on top of a very close friend and advisor to Ardern.
  
  Ardern was lipstick and a smiley face on the Labour pig.
  
  Hipkins is merely freckles on the same pig but now a pig of his creation!
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:17pm
- rockape
  
  Is Hutt boy, like cottage boys?
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:24pm
sirknz

Oh no, unmoderated parts of the internet said mean things about our female PM.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131038776/nine-out-of-10-hateful-posts-tracked-in-darkest-corners-of-the-internet-targeted-ardern–new-study

I wonder why we don’t see the same articles about the comments targeted at the bad orange man…
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January 23, 2023 3:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda’s lies about Covid, with the lockdowns, Banning New Zealanders from coming home, Vaccine Passports, and all other things about control; was the killing.
  She pushed it to the hilt and has now found out why she had to cave.
  Well, I am not happy – there is more to come. The Narcissists Clark and Ardern will still be in there pushing their “advice!”
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:21pm
Maggie Pie

HOLY MOTHER 🙁

Yet another reason to ignore anyone in difficulty swimming at Tindalls…..

https://twitter.com/WaterIsScary/status/1616750626289094657
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January 23, 2023 3:56pm
- Ghost
  
  Aka, feeding time in the labour caucus.
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just looking around, like Orcas do. Rangitoto Channel, Orca longer that my 12 foot tinny. It flipped on it’s side, had a look out of the water, and cruised away.
  Little bit scary. They are smart.
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:41pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Back in 1996, sailing my 22 ft. Noelex 22 – a bull orca surfaced 10 feet away, his dorsal around 4 ft. high. His nose was in front of my boat, and his tail behind it – he must have been close to 25′ long. No problems – he just had a good look, then went back to herding his cows.
    
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    January 23, 2023 4:59pm
    - Swifty
      
      Gonna need a bigger boat.
      
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      January 23, 2023 5:03pm
- Keith White
  
  Let no one say you do not have educational links for us deplorable peasants, MP.
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They’re obviously dumber than bait Kieth.
    That was a ‘rubber-seal’ it attacked!
    
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    January 23, 2023 5:37pm
Yvette

Census collectors to carry panic alarms amid safety fears over anti-government backlash
Census collectors visiting homes across New Zealand will be carrying panic alarms as a safety measure against a post-Covid rise in anti-government feeling.

The alarms can alert security teams should any of the more than 3000 census collectors, who are currently being hired to work the eight weeks from the end of January through to April, feel threatened while door knocking.

Professor Paul Spoonley, chair of the Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism, said trust in government had been falling among a segment of society since the start of the Covid pandemic.

Protestors last February spent three weeks occupying Parliament’s lawn as they complained about Covid vaccine mandates and lockdowns. The protest ended on March 2 as some hurled bricks and other objects at riot police.

Now some groups are planning one-year anniversary events this March to commemorate the protests – a time when census collectors will also be on the streets door knocking.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/census-collectors-to-carry-panic-alarms-amid-safety-fears-over-anti-government-backlash/EBZL6IVI5BEXZFQFWVKOCD4E44/

Between the Census and Election Day, can these alarms, as already suggested, be distributed to – “dairy workers, jewellers or liquor store owners, who are living in fear … when there is actual evidence almost daily on the news of attacks (some multiple times) by random thugs, barely out of nappies, looking for booze, cigarettes and bright shiny things for their paymasters, the gangs”?
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January 23, 2023 4:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems like they are collecting from those too lazy to fill it in and mail in.
  I just asked the speaker of the house if it was mail in, or collected.
  She said collected.
  Are these results going through Dominion Voting Machine counters?
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:54pm
- Keith White
  
  I certainly wouldn’t display any threatening behaviour to the census collectors, I certainly would advise them that my information is not for sale.
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:54pm
kevn

omg… cunliffe is in the Horrid offering his tuppence worth now.
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January 23, 2023 4:40pm
- Keith White
  
  It’s a frequent grammatical mistake that these people make. It probably comes from the fact that they are mostly from the shallow side of the gene pool, and while it’s not their fault (I most certainly would not want my children to be held responsible for their ancestry on the paternal side) it remains a fact of nature.
  
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  January 23, 2023 4:56pm
Its only I

The question of the year…

With the help of the MSN will the Hipster pull off a total political reset?

They are all in on the project so far.

Interesting times.
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January 23, 2023 5:16pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  It’s only I – good question but I think it needs a slight tweak:
  
  “With the help of the [MSN] Government Propaganda Department will the Hipster pull off a total political reset?”
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:46pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  My answer to the NZ public is:
  
  Fool me once, shame on you.
  Fool me twice, shame on me.
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:47pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, the way reporters were carrying on tonight on One News, it was though there had been a total change of government.
  It’s the same lot.
  With the same policies just being spun a different way.
  Even the new person sitting in the head prefect’s chair is not new.
  This has been a planned strategy over a period of time. It hasn’t happened overnight as is being presented to the electorate.
  Don’t be fooled.
  And to those who say they wanted detailed policy from the National way in advance – think on.
  That policy would likely now be the new broom Labour policy.
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:50pm
  - graham
    
    Gareth Morgan’s much-derided – but completely accurate – tweet in 2017 about Jacinda Ardern being little more than “lipstick on a pig” comes to mind once again, for some reason …
    
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    January 23, 2023 7:37pm
  - Dougal10
    
    This has all happened less than 10 weeks after Jacinda qualified for a full ex PMs pension. It is starting to smell fishy.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:59pm
Ghost

Hmmm, where do you put the petrol in a Tesla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-xU1t3NPg
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January 23, 2023 5:24pm
Swifty

An appeal to anyone reading this.

No doubt whatsoever in the coming days we’ll hear all sorts of reasons and excuses offered as to why this Labour Government has performed so woefully in improving the lives of New Zealanders and why we should cut Ardern some slack.

We’ll hear all about Covid, ‘global inflation’, the profiteering banks, supermarkets or energy companies, that goddamned Putin etc etc.

Anything to divert our attention from Labour’s miserable performance and policies which inevitably deliver them results opposite to those intended.

May I please remind you that during Key’s terms he inherited the management of the Global Financial Crisis, the Christchurch earthquakes and myriad other external and internal shocks and bumps in the road.

And what was Labour’s response? How much slack did they cut Key and Bill English? Did they blunt their criticism of them with the provisos of “Oh but let’s not forget he had the GFC to deal with” or “we can’t be too harsh, he had the unexpected CHC rebuild to manage…”

No they didn’t.

What did we actually get?

“Nine years of neglect!” and delivered with angry red faces, pursed and spittle-flecked lips and heaping helpings of derision and scorn.

So now all I ask of New Zealanders is to cut Labour exactly the same amount of slack they chose to give Key, English and team.

None.
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January 23, 2023 5:31pm
- tf78
  
  Didn’t Key also have Bird or Swine flu at the time and made “The Pandemic Plan”. I don’t even really remember being made aware of it.
  
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  January 23, 2023 7:38pm
  - tf78
    
    I just check and NZ had swine flu in 2009 and John Key was elected in 2008. So yes we did, but you didn’t even notice. There were 3,175 cases and 19 deaths.
    
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    January 23, 2023 8:14pm
kevn

@SteveO… Maybe, I’m talking about the one who started Fonterra.
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January 23, 2023 5:36pm
Ghost

The Duke of York is to make a legal bid to overturn the multi-million-pound settlement he struck with his sexual abuse accuser, it has been claimed.

Prince Andrew is said to have consulted lawyers after Virginia Giuffre dropped a separate sexual abuse claim against US lawyer Alan Dershowitz, admitting that she “may have made a mistake” in claiming he had abused her as a teenager.

The Duke is understood to believe that the “extraordinary” development following an eight-year legal battle prompted serious questions over Giuffre’s credibility.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/uk/300790500/prince-andrew-looks-to-overturn-multimillionpound-virginia-giuffre-settlement
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January 23, 2023 5:53pm
- septic skeptic
  
  That photo would appear to be problematic. I don’t recall seeing a similar one with Dershowitz. Plus I imagine “Prince Andrew” would stick in the memory a bit more than some US politician/lawyer.
  
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  January 23, 2023 7:01pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Oh the grand old Duke of York,
  He borrowed twelve million quid,
  And he gave it to someone he never met,
  For something he never did!
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:49pm
Ghost

Doesn’t sound like 3 waters is gone

Hipkins declined to comment about whether Three Waters reforms would be axed.

Put to him by the Newstalk ZB host the policy needed to go, Hipkins replied “we’re not going to turn off people’s taps”, but declined to go into specifics on any possible changes.

“The issue we’ve got here is we’ve got a $130-$180 billon of investment required in the next 30 years in our water infrastructure across the country. If we don’t do any reform at all we’re talking potentially thousands of dollars a year extra on peoples’ rates.”

“We need to make sure…when people turn the taps on they can actually get healthy drinking water out of them and that costs money.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/chris-hipkins-joins-newstalk-zbs-heather-du-plessis-allan-in-busy-first-day-of-media-as-labour-leader/VGXRZ7ISIZG6JPE5JLTT45Y6GE/
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January 23, 2023 6:03pm
- Ruahine
  
  Just the usual Labour weasel words. Of course Maori are not going to ‘turn off’ the taps. It is about clipping the ticket for their benefit and control.
  
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  January 23, 2023 6:18pm
- septic skeptic
  
  They really should call them out on this disinformation that they are doing this to save ratepayers money. If that happens it will be at the expense of taxpayers – mostly the same group.
  They make out 5 waters is some sort of free lunch where we get the $130-180 billion upgrade for free.
  And BTW – don’t accept Mahuta rambling on about “economies of scale”. Details please.
  
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  January 23, 2023 7:05pm
- Taieri
  
  we’ve got a $130-$180 billon of investment required in the next 30 years in our water infrastructure across the country. If we don’t do any reform at all we’re talking potentially thousands of dollars a year extra on peoples’ rates.
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  So, who is going to pay for all this under multiple waters? Tooth fairy?
  
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  January 23, 2023 7:24pm
kevn

andy must love publicity…
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January 23, 2023 6:36pm
Pineapple Lumps

Don’t you love our media, if National was changing leaders they are portrayed as a party in strife. Labour change leaders and they are acting like it’s the best thing since sliced bread.

Well as much as they want, you can change the jockey, but it’s still the same old dead horse they are flogging.
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January 23, 2023 6:42pm
Maggie Pie

During the Xmas hols, one of the girls from tennis and her hubby were conned into a private tour to see Taup0’s ‘pre-European’ Rock Carvings.
Paid about 6 hundy for the trip with a Maori guy who was working at the motel they were staying in. Completely shocked when I told her they were only thirty-years old. LOL!!

Looks like the same scam going on in Egypt if you ask me….

https://twitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1617393479868456960
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January 23, 2023 7:01pm
Taieri

Taup0’s ‘pre-European’ Rock Carvings
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There’re some rock drawings near Kurow in Waitaki Valley. Apparently 600-900 years old. Worth seeing?
Don’t know, I wasn’t impressed, but as they say De gustibus est non disputandum…
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January 23, 2023 7:29pm
- Dougal10
  
  You might find those may have been touched up in the 70s
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:03pm
Chris Nisbet

“We’re not going to turn off anyone’s taps”, say Hipkins, referring to 4 Waters.
Since when has 5 Waters ever been about that? Fricken politicians give me the shits. He knows _exsctly_ why people don’t like 5 Waters, but makes a point of telling us that it’s about something else.
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January 23, 2023 8:14pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Chris – feels similar to the mob asking a shopkeeper for protection money.
  
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  January 23, 2023 9:15pm
- KiwiSapper
  
  His ENTIRE speciality skill set lies (and I have that correct) is to respond to an uncomfortable, to him, question, with a comfortable, to him, answer.
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  Just following on from the one trick show pony’s ignorance of reality, response’s.
  
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  January 23, 2023 10:17pm
Ghost

There would be an outcry if this was said about Jacinda

UK comedian Jimmy Carr believes he’s got the answer to New Zealand’s egg shortage problem – and it’s most likely a solution no one else has thought of.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2023/01/jimmy-carr-says-cracking-christopher-luxon-s-head-open-is-solution-to-new-zealand-s-egg-shortage.html
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