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cmm

As one of the turds in the river of filth, I can partially agree with Auntie Helen. The 24 hour news cycle etc have lead to polarisations in our country and others.

But where I disagree is saying that Cindy was really a victim of this.

Nope, she used this. She was polarising. She was using polarising pressure on the unvaxxed. She has exploited racism for political ends. She was pitting gangs against decent people. She was tweeting that Trump is an arsehole.

If Cindy has a problem with polarisation then she should first look in the mirror.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131019348/unprecedented-hatred-and-vitriol-helen-clark-on-arderns-resignation
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January 20, 2023 8:01am
- Cinematic
  
  Yep, everything Jacinda’s government has stood for has fanned the flames of hatred and division. Jacinda and her utterly inept feeble government played with fire and are now suffering the consequences. Boohoo.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:08am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s a culture war, Ardernwas happy to use the government’s wealth and powers of coercion and violence against people she identified as class enemies , it is only right and just that the people retaliate with what resources they have.
    She denigrated and refused to meet with legitimate protesters, so for people to openly display their disgust and make her public appearances as uncomfortable as possible is a natural consequence.
    I wonder how much love the communist thugs amongst the 1950s watersiders showed Massey.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Her smug agreement – “Yip, yip. That’s what it is!” – to the assertion that she was creating a segregated society was the tacit admission of a tyrant that she would rule by creating fear and enmity.
  
  Utterly disgusting. I despise her and her ilk. They are a stain on liberal democracy, and a festering pox on social order.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:10am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I think Jacinda brought all the vitriol on herself. Many of us who are politically opposed to her, did give her credit for the way she handled the terror attack against the mosques, and she was restrained to a degree by the traitor, Peters. However, once she had her majority the worm turned, and she became a despot – not only because of the covid response which was disastrous – but because she displayed her political intentions openly and anyone with eyes to see saw it.
    I’m happy she’s gone, and I wish her well in her intended family life, and may she stay there out of sight of the world.
    But I won’t hold my breath.
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We, the great unwashed, supported her and her Covid lackies all through 2020 and into 2021, but then the woman panicked and turned on many of her Team 5 million.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:29am
      - Paulus
        
        I believe 4 million as over 1 million live overseas – 800,000 in Australia alone.
        
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        January 20, 2023 1:04pm
- Philview
  
  We often talk on this site about all the vitriol John Key had to put up with, which I believe was worse than anything Jacinda faced. For example, that revolting rap song which some in the media loved.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:24am
  - graham
    
    Yes, I thought about Tom Scott’s song in which he threatened to kill the PM and sexually assault his daughter.
    
    I refuse to read Stuff, but the headline talks about “unprecedented hatred and vitriol”. Unprecedented? Really? In the words of Inigo Montoya, I do not think it means what you think it means, Helen.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:04am
    - Colville
      
      you mean the song that Ardern thought was “great”?
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:16am
      - Colville
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/11/the_pm_and_the_rapper_who_wanted_sang_about_killing_john_key.html
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I have life-long friends who always smirkingly referred to our then-PM as “Don-Key” and then were outraged when I referred to the Princess as the Princess. Cognitive dissonance is as real as hypocrisy.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:28am
    - Colville
      
      The same people who call JK ShonKey lose their shit over Ardern being called Cindy..
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:20am
      - nathie
        
        Remember when some Maori or Polynesian Rugby/League(?) players first called her “Auntie Cindy” are were lambasted as that took the “Cindy” reference to a new level? Even the MSM commentators piled on them!
        
        Silly “waycist” MSM commentators – the Maori/Polynesian players where only showing their affection and reverence to her!
        
        (My point is, “Jacindamaniacs” are ready to take offence … even at their own kind if they step out of the conformist, preprogrammed line)!
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:45am
      - amospicton
        
        Yep, and any criticism of Ardern is apparently misogyny. Which is in itself misogynistic because surely it’s OK to criticise a woman for being hopeless, or are they too delicate and insecure to take it? My view is that women are not inferior to men, Maori are not inferior to pakeha, and both are therefore open to the same sort of critique. Anything else is patronising and misogynistic/racist.
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:25am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The difference between the vitriol poured out on Jacinda vs John Key is that the MSM actively
    promoted the latter.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:13am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      And, as ever, they play the “misogyny” card when very few if any people give a crap about the gender of our Prime Minister. What we would like is competence, intelligence and less socialism, thank you.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:51am
    - Paulus
      
      And now she is going the so called Media will turn all their vitriol on Luxon- already showing on TV3 as an example.
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:06pm
- RRM
  
  Yes, I was in the river of filth as much as I could be. Seeing the difference between the reality and what was being reported in our government aligned media was staggering.
  
  Liberal woke lefties believe in their hearts that they are victims and activists fighting the power.
  
  And they still seem to believe that’s what they are, even when their comrades control the government, the media, and the police.
  
  The lies, the reckless destruction, and the gleeful division of society shows there is little they wouldn’t do.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The crocodile tears in the NZ mainstream media are nauseating. They are outdoing North Korea for the lies and spin they are putting out.
  Basically Ardern was “amazing” in everything she ever did and every single person who points out any of her multitudinous failures is a far right misogynist. Give me strength.
  
  She ruled by division. She got others to do her dirty work for her, particularly during covid. She alone is responsible for the wrecking of so many friendships and relationships.
  
  She deliberately put policies in place to manipulate and pressurise people into complying with her. Instead of just banning non vaxxed from pubs and clubs etc, she gave these venues the “choice” of either allowing 100 in using passes or a much smaller group without these passes. Even then with stringent rules around sitting down, distancing and masking.
  It was never a choice in the true sense of the word.
  
  It is still causing issues in my local club, nobody wants to talk about it. Presumably because they are now ashamed.
  
  She has ripped the social fabric of this country asunder, it will take decades to mend. She has burdened the country with debt that will take decades to sort out. She has stirred a racial divide which may never be resolved. She has damaged the mental health of a generation of children.
  
  She has managed more devastation in 5 years than most could manage in a lifetime.
  
  No I don’t hate her, I do loathe what she has done.
  You reap what you sow.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:38am
- alex Masterley
  
  The Prime Minister said in 2020 she would govern for all New Zealanders.
  She did not.
  Instead she governed for the benefit of special interest groups.
  Story – end of.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:39am
  - RoboRob
    
    She also said to judge Labour on their results. Well the results are in and they fail on all reasonable metrics. Asta la vista Jacindarla
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:47am
    - Colville
      
      Buen viaje would be more like it.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:22am
- nathie
  
  Two things that Helen Clark conveniently leaves out of her prepared spin lines:
  
  The use of social media to spread and amplify “hatred and vitriol” started under National’s term. Who can forget the “hatred and vitriol” the leftie trolls directed against the likes of John Key, Paula Bennett, Judith Collins or any of the other National MP’s?
  
  Now of course it was wrong then, just as it is wrong now (under Labour), but Helen is no objective commentator.
  
  The second point is Helen Clark led smear campaigns against public servants and opposition MP (by leaking and feeding the media), she is the last person in the world I want to be hearing discussing “trolls, hatred, vitriol and smears”.
  
  It is a pity today’s MSM forget how she used them to manipulate them to further her own agenda and still give her so much air time.
  
  Could it be because she said to Tim Dower on ZB this morning that she is on a train traveling to Switzerland … presumably to the WEF to further the elite/globalist/green/anti-farming agenda?
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:39am
  - kowtow
    
    “Hatred and vitriol”
    
    For a country thatso proudly claims secularity and tolerance I’ve always been amazed at how the media managed to use Bill’s Catholicism against his leadership aspirations .
    
    A man who’d have been as good a PM as any.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:17am
- leoj
  
  Jacinda and her party not only divided the country, they divided families and friends.
  
  Sadly, they are still in power and the maori caucus have many months to continue their damage.
  
  Mahuta is the next demon we need to be rid of.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:40am
  - Bob
    
    Mahuta is likely to be the next PM, for 8 months!
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:20am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      That won’t happen, but if it did, National would get 50% in the next poll, and we would all be labelled racists.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:33am
      - The Goblin
        
        That’s a risk I’m willing to take!
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:42am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Stand well clear. The worst may be yet to come.
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:33pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I had a lesson yesterday in the polarisation Jacinda has created.
  
  It was unfortunate that news of her resignation broke during a lunch I was attending with my partner’s extended family, following my father in law’s funeral. I made the mistake of saying something like “well that seals their fate at the election”. One guy went red in the face saying Jacinda was the best PM in the country’s history. Another woman was on the verge of tears.
  
  It was unfortunate as it wrecked the mood of the day, the intention of which was obviously to celebrate the life of my partner’s father. We left pretty quickly after the meal ended with me just about running to the car. 😄
  
  Funny the woman who was really upset announced that she was a passionate supporter of the “Jacinda Party”. She then got on the phone “to break the news to her children”.
  
  This clearly had its funny side but it was a real lesson for me. The two people flipping out silenced the room. It is very likely that there were others in the room who were pleased with the news, but like me were silenced. You can’t start a family brawl at a post funeral lunch 😂
  
  But more seriously, societies that are so fractured are not stable. Some of them end up in civil war. New Zealand now has deep fractures between different groups….
  
  1. The “woke” highly paid urban tribe, mainly in the Wellington public service and in academia.
  
  2. Climate change hysterics, a sub group of group 1
  
  3. Maori elite, in alliance with a sub group of group 1
  
  4. The long term welfare dependant
  
  5. The criminal underclass, a sub group of group 4.
  
  6. Farmers and others in the productive sectors, farm workers, those in food processing etc
  
  7. Hard working people, mainly in the services sectors who know that things are going badly, and who will rejoice at the Government’s demise.
  
  …….
  The next government is going to need to ignore group 1.
  
  It will need to tell group 2 to calm down. The world is not going to end. Blow up the Climate Change Commission and adopt some realistic policies.
  
  Effectively go to war with group 3.
  
  Big carrots and sticks for group 4.
  
  Go to war with group 5.
  
  Reward groups 6 and 7.
  
  🙂
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:08am
  - Nickc2
    
    I like your logic Benedict.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Nickc2 I’d vote for Benedict.
      
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      January 20, 2023 3:10pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    I’m sure you have learned an important lesson about keeping politically partisan views out of more serious occasions. No personal relationships are worth ruining over opinions about who is best suited to temporarily hold civic offices.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:21am
    - nathie
      
      You make a fair point Mike in a general sense, but at the same time a bit unfair in this instance, after all it was a “momentous” occasion, a bit like when say John Key or David Lange resigned, people everywhere feel these events personally as the personalities have been a significant part of people’s lives.
      
      I’m glad BY shared his experiences, as it is interesting to hear what those people thought especially those that were impacted by Ardern’s resignation … as the saying goes “same planet but different worlds”, fascinating!
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:36am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It has certainly been a talking point! Personally, I back off quick if I think a social occasion might be derailed by political or religious, etc differences.
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:45am
      - nathie
        
        Heh, fair call Mike I think I would back off too, but poor BY, not only did he have to back off but he had to run out the door before the “Jacindamaniacs” cornered and lectured him!
        
        Lesson for all of us, “Jacindamaniacs” still walk amongst us, ready to take offence, frowny faces at the go!
        
        As the Hill St Blues saying goes “let’s be careful out there folks”!
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:22am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Mike, you are curious creature – is the nicest way to put it. A general comment on the day’s top story is paraphrased by yourself like this as massively inappropriate; this is debatable. But you ignore he fact that it was not dragged out any further and BY actually backed off (even physically).
      
      How is it that you can turn around and misconstrue what people literal say or mean on KB on a daily basis?
      Pure trolling, or are you on a spectrum that causes you to misinterpret people in social situations?
      Seems to me like you would be the last person to be getting pointers from on social interactions.
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:51am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I have never discussed politics with these folk. But with the news of Jacinda’s resignation during lunch, it was hard to avoid. I agree with you. With one guy red in the face and a woman in tears, I backed off very quickly. I was even quicker running to the 2002 Toyota Celica with the redhead trying to keep up 🙂
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:58am
      - Jack5
        
        Benedict’s statement at the funeral was very mild: “..that seals their fate at the election..”
        
        Yet we have Milky lecturing him about:” keeping politically partisan views out of more serious occasions.”
        
        From previous posts, I think Benedict’s father-in-law had reached a good age.
        
        Most of us come from robust folk who wouldn’t take offence at a statement like Benedict’s, no matter which side of the political fence we are on.
        
        And funerals aren’t always so serious. Many or most of us have been to funerals where the sermons or eulogies have had us tittering or laughing – without thinking any less of the person now in the coffin.
        
        It’s like tombstone epitaphs of people who have led a full life.
        
        When Milky’s gone to final rest after his last post:
        
        Here lies Mike we knew as Milky.
        Of logic, his posts were rarely guilty.
        He knew the past of any given day,
        And always, he insisted on last say.
        
        Some tombstone messages:
        
        https://www.boredpanda.com/funny-tombstones-epitaphs/?
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:35am
      - jedmo
        
        Previous girlfriend had a silver one, loved showing off her 8000rpm upshifts.
        As someone has already said, deification of leaders seems to be a Labour thing, (Savage, Kirk); to fill the void that their Godlessness (generalising I know, but) leaves them with?
        
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        January 20, 2023 1:49pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      I had a very pleasant dinner last night with people who political views are diametrically opposed to mine. It can be done if everyone acts like a grownup.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:02am
      - Paulus
        
        I believe that my view over Ardern and that of my wife are still diametrically opposite.
        We are still not talking sensibly today – after almost 60 years !
        Gonna make a dinner date to smooth waters as will not even mention other than good food.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:15am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        But many people do not act like grown ups. I would love to have a conversation with a rational Green Party member but I have not found one yet.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:22am
      - nathie
        
        Paulus, good man! Perhaps make the best the dinner ever with lashings of treats and when the good wife asks “what has brought this on, I’m impressed” … reply “why dearest, to remember and reflect on this momentous occasion ….” and quickly leave it at that!
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:53am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I draw the line at “friends” who intimate they will cancel me, or that they are “ashamed” of me, when they detect I’m not a woketard.
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:36pm
      - Scooter
        
        Equally true for those who were “cancelled” by so called friends for not getting the covid vaxx. Me being one, I was even told by said friend what if so and so won’t see me unless I get the jab, one being her daughter so the mother, my friend stopped all contact. As the saying goes.. “with friends like these…” Ps she’s a lefty yank so I guess I didn’t pay too high a price.
        
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        January 20, 2023 8:38pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Agree 100% around the interest groups and how they needs to be approached.
    Also the factor of ‘shy’ people and political opinions openly expressed – it can take some guts.
    Mixed in there, the actually poorly informed/misinformed and low information voters, who might not have the means or confidence to even explore their own thinking. Like a Taiwanese friend who told my Taiwanese wife that she votes Greens. My wife digests the news and is political – she needed to explain about ‘watermelon’ politicians. In the end, the friend was genuinely curious to look a bit harder at what the parties really stand for and was going to look online and go beyond the soft branding.
    
    So you can’t work on those fanatics that are red in the face over politics, but you can nudge along the edges.
    
    As far as someone who goes red in the face though, in the context of a funeral you are showing tact in not drawing a topic out further.
    …..Some of the people there would be mourning for Cindy.
    In all other occasions though, it is worth pointing out just how badly things are going even for those issues that matter to Labour voters (and decent people in general) such as basic dignity/housing/education/health etc.
    Sadly, the welded-on supporter’s best response is to say that “the other lot aren’t better”, or that “Labour suffers from National’s previous mismanangement”. Both lazy excuses and nonsense of course.
    One thing is to turn conversation away from Ardern as a figure or topic and focus on the Labour party itself. Ardern was a shield for their incompetence.
    Labour’s true face is now left exposed to the sunlight, and it is an ugly & stupid visage which should repell a lot of basically sensible people.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:35am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Mixed in there, the actually poorly informed/misinformed and low information voters, who might not have the means or confidence to even explore their own thinking. ”
      
      You make an excellent point. I should have included this group separately in my list. IMO the two badly affected family members at lunch yesterday were in this group. Unlike me, they are not immersed in several area of public policy. I do not mean that to come across as conceit on my part. It is just reality. They get on with their lives. One a mother of two teenagers, the other a retied west coaster. They both have secure incomes and just live their lives. The precariousness of the country is not apparent.
      
      I have told this story before here, but I will repeat it. Not long after I arrived in New Zealand I met a Greek seismologist. She had escaped Greek after the Greek economy meltdown in 2008. She told me that she was totally unaware of how close the country was to collapse. Sure she read stories about mounting government debt, but for her it was all abstract. She had a comfortable life. Then one day she went to her bank to withdraw money from the ATM. There was no money. And remember, this was an educated person
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:05am
  - cmm
    
    Unfortunately Wellington is wall-to-wall group 1 and when National put their ear to the ground that is who they hear.
    
    It has been a while since a National leader came from the productive sector.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:53am
  - Colville
    
    now for extra credit draw it as a venn diagram.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:24am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I’m sorry, but if your preferred PM’s resignation brings you to tears, you are voting for the wrong reasons.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:34am
    - Colville
      
      or you just caught your dick in your zipper when you yelled out in glee….
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:05am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I would have thought it was obvious that if “the best PM in the country’s history” bails out 10 months before the next election, that is hardly going to help their re-election chances.
    
    The cognitive dissonance – OK, much more likely stupidity, of someone who reacts to your almost self-evident prediction is astonishing. I guess you can’t fix stupid.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:56am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Agreed – and that is what pissed me off when John Key baled out.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:29am
  - Grizz
    
    I agree with your summation BY. Far too much has been given to group 1 and their subgroups. We now see bloated ministries and pointless government departments with money thrown at overpaid bureaucrats, their philosophies and their vanity projects all at the expense of Frontline workers, primary producers and private businesses. Furthermore they are sick of criminals being given an easy ride.
    
    Jacinda and this Labour government essentially lost the plot and got the balance wrong. The answer is not more money, but a gross downsizing of ministry staff, not stiffing your main export earner, channelling more resources into the coalface of Frontline services (education, health, police, corrections etc), strengthening policing of criminals and harsher (more realistic) punishment of offenders.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:57am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Benedict,
    
    I agree with you on all, except your recommendation “Effectively go to war with group 3”.
    
    There is no way that a National led government is going to get into a highly antagonistic feud with the Maori elite, most of whom are also well recognised iwi leaders. Yes, there will be forthright discussions, but National will want a broadly respectful relationship with Iwi. Just think who is the latest National MP is. A well recognised leader within Tainui.
    
    Ideally National will want to settle with Ngaphui. That won’t be easy. It will require a respectful and meaningful relationship to have any chance of success.
    
    Obviously National will deal with broader Crown/Iwi relations differently to Labour, but they will nevertheless take up a great deal of time for the government. They certainly did so under both previous National governments (Bolger/Shipley and Key/English). It would be naive to think it will be radically different under the next National led government.
    
    For instance there is zero chance that National will agree to Act’s position for a referendum on these issues. Not with National’s heritage on Crown/Iwi relationships.
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:32am
    - Jack5
      
      Presumably, then, under National, we could expect to see Maori language increasingly foisted on all New Zealanders, replacement of place names, and racial separation in such key services as health?
      
      These will be election issues, with ACT and, if still healthy, Peters, competing with National for support from voters to the right of Labour.
      
      What if either of these, or both of them, go hell for leather in electorate seats as well?
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:20pm
    - JeffW
      
      Wayne, there is deep and growing concern in the country about the whole Treaty industry, including never ending “settlements”, now morphing into a major grievance industry. This is already creating significant division and building both separatism and tribalism (rule by an ethnic elite). For the good of the country, it needs to end, much sooner rather than later.
      
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      January 20, 2023 3:58pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    I never enter into a discussion of politics with someone who’s in the Cindy fan club. Simple reason is that you can’t reason with the unreasonable.
    Probably the hysterics you saw from bro-in-law and wife is more related to the day of the sadness of the father passing. Over emotional to start with.
    You were doomed from the beginning.
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:57am
- softail 1450
  
  cmm “”when Helen woke up in Europe” ,no prizes for knowing wherever old auntie Helen is she won’t be paying the bills herself.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I wonder if she took the union’s private jet to Davos
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:51am
    - GazzaW
      
      More likely Suite 1A on Emirates.
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:52pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some comments and observations.
  Im in 2 minds about Cindy going. On the one I have The Witch is Dead playing on loop in my head and on the other she has deprived me of seeing her give a concession speech come 14 October.
  
  On the other hand she is one of our most successful Labour PMs in that she has won 2 elections and not lost an election. I have been thinking back and whilst Clark won 3 she lost the 4th. So Cindy is a non defeated Labour PM and I cant think of another.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:17am
  - cmm
    
    She was never going to contest an election she had a good chance of losing. You were never going to see her make a concession speech.
    
    As bad as she is, the person that steps up for the next 9 months could be a LOT worse.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:56am
  - Melbury
    
    Actually, she lost the 2017 election.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:06am
    - Colville
      
      Lost the battle but won the war.
      
      Get over it.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:24am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    She did not win in 2017. National won the highest share but Winston skewed the result because he felt he could easily manipulate her.
    
    2020 will always be the Covid election.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:37am
    - Ghost
      
      No she won. Doesn’t matter if a party gets more votes the winner is who formed a government
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:40am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        You’re mattering away a fair bit there Ghost. She didn’t win the election, there can be no possible argument against that.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:58am
      - nathie
        
        I think they are talking about the initial result (not the MMP horsetrading later that then resulted in her being appointed PM).
        
        Recall there are clips online with Ardern conceding defeat to Bill English when the election results came in! 🙂
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:58am
      - Colville
        
        Lodden.
        Her party won the election.
        You need to stop thinking that its just the voters that elect the government of the day.
        The election continues till after the party leaders vote and decide who they hold hands with and in ’17 it was that POS Winston who had the deciding vote!
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:16am
      - Ghost
        
        So Loddon if her party didn’t win who became prime minister? Seems you lack understanding of mmp.
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:18am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Ghost and Ghost-apologiser: I understand MMP very well, and I can also do maths. She didn’t “win” the election, did she?
        
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        January 20, 2023 12:57pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Ltmsg – Her destructive and divisive ways will be remembered. Election defeats and wins can never be offset in relevance to the amount of time it will take to clean up her mess.
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:01am
  - zulumonster
    
    Big Norm?
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:08am
    - Tempist
      
      And Lange, and MJ Savage…
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:39pm
  - david
    
    You would have to exclude those who died in office to elevate Jacinda to the pinnacle of electoral success of being the only undefeated Labour PM.
    
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    January 20, 2023 3:23pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Lange
      
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      January 20, 2023 8:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Jacinda has faced a level of hatred and vitriol which in my experience is unprecedented in our country”
  Jaspinda brought it all upon herself by being a control freak. Lockdowns were a socil experiment to see how far we could be pushed. Well, she just found out.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:19am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    If one sits down and goes back through the years of Labour destruction, division and failure, Jacinda is responsible for a very long list under these categories. She pranced around with the “strong woman” shtick and decided she was awesome enough to be PM. She needs to own it all. Enough with the BS victim cards.
    
    Politics can be brutal, especially on those leaders who arrogantly gaslight the public. Don’t want brutal public blow-back?
    Then, talk straight. Deliver on what you were voted in on. Do not gaslight the populace.
    
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    January 20, 2023 12:41pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Clark blaming anger, we’ll just remember the vulgar way she treated the young kfc worker, calling her a liar on the news when MOH said she was telling the truth. Ardern earned every bit of anger, no point mummy dearest whinging now
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:48am
mister nui

Question for the day:

Now that Soubrek is persona non-grata, was he going to dump the dirt?
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January 20, 2023 8:01am
- Frank the tank
  
  Maybe that was what was coming….
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:22am
- cmm
  
  Maybe (inaudible) got a call from Sroubek’s ghost writer yesterday asking for confirm/deny on a few quotes.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:30am
- pdm
  
  No I think Thomas Cramer nailed the reason with this twitter sentence as part of a slightly longer comment.:
  
  `Was Arderns position left untenable due to a failed Cabinet reshuffle that was rebuffed by her colleagues.’
  
  I suggest she was wanting to demote Mahuta and Jackson among others and they said get f….d and said – thats it I resign.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:48am
  - Matt Long
    
    I don’t think she would have had the guts to ask, perhaps Mahuta demanded she sack Parker and the princess couldn’t face it.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:27am
    - nathie
      
      Could explain why she was crying when she gave her resignation speech?
      
      I recall David Lange’s resignation and being jovial. So much so he joked with his replacement (Palmer) that he had changed his mind and wanted his job back!
      
      I put it down to Ardern being emotional during a stressful occasion for her …. but then again aspects of Labour’s public image are an illusion, perhaps you are on to something?
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:37am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Willy looked pretty happy that she resigned. I would say the Maori caucus definitely put the thumb screws on her. they were probably – my way or the highway Cinders. Hence Cindy took the highway.
    
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    January 20, 2023 12:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Will he? I can only hope so. The deals are far from over. Maybe Soubrek will start talking about the lawnmower business?
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, he will do anything to stay here
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:54am
- Kiwiguy
  
  There’s a Czech-mate joke in here somewhere, I just can’t pull it together…
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:41am
Tomtoddy

A couple of “morning after” reflections.

Leadership that is more style than substance is bound to fail early. Leaders who serve in genuine commitment to others last longer than those whose commitment is based more on self-gratification. Great leaders are rarely concerned about public appearances and the adulation of the people but are so consumed in their service they do not feel the need for constant exposure. Capable leadership is remembered for what it achieved not what was said or the fashion of its delivery. “Nothing left in the tank” indicates a lack of preparedness, a lack of maturity and life experience, too great a self-focus, no quality support team, a career built on ephemeral and shallow ideals rather than sterling values born in the harsh, hurly-burly of menial work and life’s impositions.

Left wing leaders tend to focus on human rights rather that human values, minorities not majorities, image instead of the hard kernel, react rather than proact. They are typically too selfish to consider succession, too distracted by internal fractiousness, too dismissive of history’s rough lessons, too blinded by ideology, too disparaging of tradition.
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January 20, 2023 8:03am
- Debsta
  
  You summed that up beautifully TT
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:11am
- bennerg
  
  What a brilliant summing up TT.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:46am
- Swifty
  
  Nice one Tomtoddy.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good stuff TT
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:29am
Cinematic

Hooton is such a hoot.

Jacinda was the only factor keeping Labour’s cabal of utterly useless losers above 30%.
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January 20, 2023 8:04am
- Monty
  
  i agree – but there is a thought – while Ardern is soon gone NZ is still lumbered with the same bunch of useless and dangerous dim-witted ministers that were in place last week – Robertson is still wrecking the economy with his socialism, Housing will remain an issue, crime will continue, health system is is disaster, and Mahuta and the maori caucas are still dividing NZ with their racist divisive policies – – this is just a momentary distraction from the incompetency of this Government
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:31am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    “Mahuta and the maori caucas are still dividing NZ with their racist divisive policies “.
    
    For the life of me I can’t understand why a minority would want to increase divisiveness and racism. That can only work against a minority group.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:30am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Because they think they are on the winning side. These types always over-estimate how much the majority will let things slide so as not to be rude.
      
      To be fair, that’s a pretty safe bet in New Zealand. The last few years have shown that tilty frowns and a teddy bear in the window are worth more than human rights, constitutional protections and the rule of law!
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:02am
    - Ehlana
      
      The elite who benefit from this separatism are insulated by their money from the consequences for other Maori.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:29am
    - JeffW
      
      Because it’s tribalism
      
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      January 20, 2023 4:04pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They were below 30 often, TPU out about mid day, I just wonder if the numbers including the internals have tanked, there have released she has now got a negative favourable, while apparently Luxon has shot up the positive favourable
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:56am
NK

One day closer to February 7. Boy it feels great.

I had a thought last night that this is the day after Waitangi Day. I hope Ardern, as her last “gift” to Aotearoa, doesn’t promise some racist policy on Waitangi Day and then buggar off the day after.
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January 20, 2023 8:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m taking the 7th off work. Freedom day. The schedule will be to remember what Ardern took from me:
  1. I’ll start with breakfast at the cafe that Ardern forbade me to visit
  2. Then a quick cycle with some friends
  3. Lunch with my family
  4. Visit the library
  5. A few drinks at the pub with my work colleagues
  6. Dinner out with close friends
  7. Perhaps a movie or a show
  
  Never forget.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:23am
  - Luke Piewalker
    
    I celebrated with champagne with a couple of fellow second class citizens.
    
    It was a great day yesterday.
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:31am
    - Paulus
      
      Heard yesterday that Viaduct Basin restaurants in Auckland ran out of Champagne in the afternoon after the announcement.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:22am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Not just there – a mate in Wellington called in to a bottle store for the same purpose – sold out!
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wish I had a Labour Party Flag – so I could fly it upside down.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:31am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      And at half-mast?
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yup.
        
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        January 20, 2023 12:18pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I should add, what Ardern didn’t take from me was dignity, nor the determination to call out elitist tyrants like her, people who abuse the trust placed in them. Their exploits, and those of their ‘advisors’ (WEF et al) need to be resisted if New Zealand is to retain its sovereignty.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:47am
    - Luke Piewalker
      
      I stood firm as well.
      I have nothing but contempt for what Ardern did ripping the very fabric out of NZ society.
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:04pm
  - kowtow
    
    Some people were allowed to cycle to the beach for a cosy chat , swim and paddle and a newly minted knight of the realm even declared that that swim was not a swim. And te Media Pardy who vilified and pilloried people like the so called Wanaka runaway couple were happy with that .
    
    What a different reality the elites lived while we were locked up under threat of assault , kidnap , villification and penury.
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:32pm
  - GazzaW
    
    For me it will be lunch with our son who will be visiting from the UK who Jacinda and her acolyte Hipkins kept out of our lives for so long with their inane MIQ policies. There are tens of thousands of Kiwi families and their expat offspring who will never forget nor forgive.
    
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    January 20, 2023 2:43pm
- peterwn
  
  She can’t promise a thing. Also her ‘personal’ promises such as no capital gains taxes on my watch are off the table too. The new leader as far as he or she is able to needs to review policies and items in the legislative pipeline to ensure they are appealing to as much of the electorate as possible. This would also include slowing down, modifying or halting things already in place such as three waters.
  Jacinda went into the 2017 election with virtually a ‘blank cheque’ to re-shape the campaign as she saw fit since defeat was staring Labour in the face.
  The issue this time around would be whether all elements of the Labour Party are prepared to give its leader a similar ‘blank cheque’. If not the new leader has a hell of a job on his or her hands.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:39am
- Bobba Fret
  
  February 7th is a good and bad day for me. Good because she is leaving, but bad as I have to pay my terminal tax! However, I now feel that the payment I make to the IRD is to get rid of her, is seems well worth the money.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:43am
- cmm
  
  Be careful what you wish for.
  
  Cindy is bad. Really bad. But there are possibly worse, much worse.
  
  I doubt Freedom Day is the 7th. That is not the end. It is only the end of the Cindy Illusion.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:05am
  - nathie
    
    Was thinking the same yesterday … Ardern may be going but the other “bad eggs” are still there.
    
    And who knows, they may “stamp their mark” by further inflicting their warped ideology upon the nation … or to smooth out behind-the-scenes infighting by allowing controversial policy to be sanctioned occasionally.
    
    October can’t come soon enough, as we are still living in “dangerous” times!
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:24am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yes, nasty socialists with nothing to lose are unlikely to invest in sensible centrist policy.
      
      Expect them to double down and see how much they can force through before they are yeeted from the Treasury benches.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:04am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        A bit like Red Ken Livingstone in 1986 after Thatcher had disbanded the Greater London Council. Among other, more inventive ways to set fire to cash (including literally giving away 10-pound notes to people), Red Ken arranged a 250,000 pound fireworks display at midnight on the last day of the GLC’s existence.
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Will she be there? She ain’t cooking the men eggs this year
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:57am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300788309/labours-caucus-needs-to-make-sure-the-next-prime-minister-is-mori

This is racist.
Imagine if a recognised columnist wrote on a nation-wide media site that the next Prime Minister needs to be a white man?
Come on Stuff. Where is your integrity and common sense?
If you can’t accept and write about the current mood of the country, at least try to read the room.
Allowing editorial policy such as this is making Stuff a laughing stock.
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January 20, 2023 8:06am
- rouppe
  
  Yeah beat me to it. The Party and supporters that are biggest voices in the religion of “inclusivity” want the next PM chosen based on the colour of their skin.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  “Where is your integrity and common sense?”
  
  Try Mariana Trench
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:12am
- Cinematic
  
  Stuffed has been a laughing stock for ages.
  
  Yes it’s racist, but this is ‘good racism’. There’s different sorts don’t you know? Hence co-governance.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:14am
- Blog-aholic
  
  $tuffs integrity and reason went out the door as the taxpayer funds came in.
  You are correct that headline is racist.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:16am
  - Yabster
    
    For racism I raise you Nz on Air- who have just produced a full on racist guideline “Te Tiriti Framework for News Media” – basically encourages media to push the line Maori never ceded sovereignty, maori are special, and prepare a path for “Maori rule”- a fucking disgrace- these a rethe dickeheads who hand out taxpayers money to the arts etc and control the PIJF. Next Govt neeeds to sack the the CEO and the board then clean out all Govt departments and Soe’s – this racist crap is entrenched and needs to be ripped out.
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:31am
  - Nickc2
    
    Stuff is grasping for any loose change remaining from the Journalist’s bribe fund eh?
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:37am
- grumpy
  
  I see Stuff this morning has a headline calling for a “Maori PM”. Funny but I don’t recollect that sentiment when Simon Bridges or Paula Bennet were in the running – and they probably don’t mean David Seymour either…………
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:20am
  - jp_1983
    
    or *shudder* Winston Peters
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:28am
  - leoj
    
    Bridges had a spine too.
    Luxon does not.
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:44am
    - Sacha
      
      You don’t know that. Luxon has not been tested.
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He turned and gave the media a rev over the bullshit from Slater and Lusk the other day, I think he is finding his way, note Cindy has drowned out Slaters clear bullshittery
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:01am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Slater and the more “right wing” media do have their good days. I take their stuff on a case by case basis. Frequently they are right over the target.
        
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        January 20, 2023 12:49pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Perhaps if Simon or Paula had given stuff millions of dollars like Labour did they would support them.
    
    Nah, they’re not fro the hard left.
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:44am
  - Ghost
    
    Yes they ran a story could Simon be the first Maori pm
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He would have been if not for COVID, remembering Nats snd ACT could govern in the Feb 2020 polls
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:02am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    This group identity thing is dangerous. It would be absurd to lobby for a Chinese Prime Minister. What they are doing is no different.
    
    BTW they would probably say that David Seymour is a useless Maori. They mean a Maori separatist who is fluent in the Maori language, who is gay, who ferments division, and who is a socialist. Now THAT is a Maori Prime Minister. 😄
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It would be absurd to lobby for a Chinese Prime Minister.
      
      I reckon Naisi Chen would be worth a spin at the top in a few years’ time.
      
      https://www.labour.org.nz/naisichen
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:42am
- RockyJ
  
  All the Maori MP’s are pushing cogovernance. If this happens expect a bill to bring it in at state level before the election. We can easily lose democracy via the ballot. To get it back would require the bullet.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:25am
- redeye
  
  It is quite funny that in the party of diversity all the leading candidates for leader are white men.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:35am
- Surely Knott
  
  Racist, agist, communist, sexist and full of errors.
  First proposes the next person selected should be based on race.
  Second he thanks the Prime Minister because she wasn’t a stuffy white man?!? No discussion of any actual accomplishments just pure nasty identity politics.
  Third it’s a racist political opinion piece in our national media and this garbage is force funded by the taxpayer through public interest journalism.
  Public Interest Journalism is defined as “For this fund, public interest journalism is defined as ‘journalism that contributes to a person’s ability to function as a valued and informed member of the communities in which they live and/or work’.” This fund shouldn’t be for opinion pieces or analysis – that’s party political propoganda. It should only be used for factual telling of NZ events.
  Finally the link spells Maori wrong. It says Mori.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Children who know everything, straight from school.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:35am
- emmess
  
  Stuff = Institutionalised Racism
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:10am
- JerJer
  
  Not only racist, but also stupid. The Stuff guy obviously needs to read the room. New Zealanders have had it with this stupidity. Co-governmence and forcing this crap into everything is one of the biggest problems. The worst thing you could do is grab some unqualified list seat lay-about and make them prime minister because they are a minority.
  
  There is nothing that they can do before the election except make labour even less popular than they already are.
  
  Maybe they have set an aspiration target to become a launghing stock within 6 months. This one they may achieve if they play their cards right.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stuff are still on the payroll.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:34am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Of course it’s racist. The useful idiot Maxwell said as much – stating that “a pakeha just won’t do” or some such drivel. Best to ignore, but let’s hope they do elect Kelvin or Nanaia.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:24am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Joel Maxwell – not surprised. This is his MO whenever he writes his opinion pieces.
  
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  January 20, 2023 12:04pm
Bridgenag

Greta’s theatre- the climate spokesmoppets latest stunt

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/malign-creativity-greta-edition?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

From the comments……..
“cringeworthy climate celebrity cynically commits calamitous career cockup confronting constabulary.”
“Witless wastrel wants weaponized weather wasteland where willing weaklings warm to warmongers, weakening West with WEF “welfare”.
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January 20, 2023 8:06am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Talking about climate theatre this comment from a twitter reply yesterday re Ardern’s resignation was maybe revealing and definitely funny. People tend to reveal themselves under pressure. 🙂
  
  “As a climate alarmist you’d think she would say ‘not enough charge in the battery’ rather than ‘not enough fuel in the tank’. Good riddance ”
  
  Aknowledgement to Tony Stuart for the link below posted yesterday.
  https://twitter.com/therealrukshan/status/1615888109283209222
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That link is a beauty!
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:41am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7GN415W-g

Why Would They Do This?

A report by the Wall Street Journal sheds new light on how the Department of Justice chose to handle the investigation into classified documents that were found inside of President Joe Biden’s private office at Penn Biden Center on November 2. To sum it up: they didn’t. After President Biden’s lawyers discovered the classified documents at the think tank, the Justice Department began an inquiry into how they ended up there. The Wall Street Journal exclusive says that as President Biden’s attorneys were getting ready to search his other properties for more top-secret information, they: “discussed with the Justice Department the prospect of having FBI agents present while Biden’s lawyers conducted additional searches . . . . [T]he two sides agreed that Mr. Biden’s personal attorneys would inspect the homes, notify the Justice Department as soon as they identified any other potentially classified records, and arrange for law-enforcement authorities to take them.”
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January 20, 2023 8:06am
Maggie Pie

Lots of speculation on twitter that Jacinda won Powerball last Saturday.
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January 20, 2023 8:06am
- Mike H S
  
  Ticket bought at Countdown central Auckland. MMmmm I don’t think she won it but why let logic get in the way of a good story.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hard to do when not in town
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:03am
- Positan
  
  If the stories about how much she scored from the drug companies are true, she didn’t need Powerball.
  
  One evaluation of leaders’ wealth about 18 months ago had her holdings at the $25,000,000.
  
  She certainly didn’t earn that much as PM.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:18am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The commoners: Forget to file GST and expect an IRD audit.
    
    The elite: Wealth skyrockets and IRD look the other way.
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Things that make you go hmmm.
    
    Exactly the same amount as last weeks Powerball….coincidence?
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:26am
    - peterwn
      
      Powerball was struck last Wednesday not last Saturday. If she did strike it, it must have been pretty well an instant decision to chuck in the leadership.
      
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      January 20, 2023 8:46am
  - amospicton
    
    Yeah and some people’s evaluation is that she was a good PM. There’s no chance she’s worth anything near that. Listed companies don’t pay millions to sitting western PMs as bribes.
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:36am
  - Ian Boag
    
    the stories about how much she scored from the drug companies
    
    Where can one find these stories? Can you at least summarise them?
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:38am
    - peterwn
      
      He will have trouble sourcing them. I do not believe for one moment that Jacinda or other Ministers have received any ‘dirty’ money. I would perceive her as a fairly frugal person in her personal life meaning she would have accumulated modest wealth (especially from her Parliamentary career) putting her in the FatFIRE category ie she can retire now and maintain her usual living standard.
      
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      January 20, 2023 8:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You won’t find them at the strandard
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:55am
  - RoboRob
    
    Who has estimated her wealth at $25m?
    
    She only recently bought her first house and my understanding is that she has no other properties. I dont believe she has declared > $20m of shareholdings etc. It would be very concerning if she suddenly had an extra $20m in the bank.
    
    According to https://www.parliament.nz/media/9105/register-of-pecuniary-and-other-specified-interests-of-members-of-parlia-2022.pdf
    
    She has..
    
    Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern (Labour, Mt Albert)
    6 Real property
    Family home – Mt Albert electorate, Auckland
    
    7 Retirement schemes
    AMP Superannuation Master Trust
    Booster KiwiSaver
    Booster Super Scheme
    
    10 Debts owed by you
    Westpac Bank – mortgage
    
    12 Gifts
    Christmas gift basket – Ambassador of Cuba
    (Cumulative) loaned items – Juliette Hogan
    Garments (x3) – Emilia Wickstead
    Tickets and corporate hospitality for the New Zealand vs Australia rugby match –
    New Zealand Rugby
    (Cumulative) loaned items – Zoe and Morgan
    
    So she has 3 retirement funds and a mortgage on her one house. I dont see $25m in there anywhere.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Why do you mean she only recently bought her first home? She has a trust, the new batch is in her fathers name, and anyone not thinking they had that farm near Riverton wake up, he was doing the rounds in Central Otago buying stags, you can not buy stags if you have no land, funny thing is the farm they say they bought, was back up for sale I’m within a few months, and, if we can’t see what is in that trust then anything is possible
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:59am
    - mawm
      
      She bought a house in Tairua. It must be in a trust.
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:55pm
  - Ghost
    
    Fake, she isn’t worth very much. You need to use better websites, oh and Elvis isn’t alive and working at McDonald’s with an alien baby
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:01am
    - Taieri
      
      Elvis isn’t alive
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      Not true. Elvis is very much alive and disguised as Helen Clark.
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:26am
      - Ghost
        
        *shivers*
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:34am
      - Paulus
        
        Helen still in Davos on the taxpayer expenses – wonder if she has been told ?
        
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        January 20, 2023 1:18pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    NZ should introduce taxation transparency – publish all tax returns.
    These sorts of estimates, or rumours, just feed resentment. Alternatively, they allow charlatans to pretend to be more successful than they really are.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Let’s make your tax return public first, to see how it all works.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It’s all or nothing, Steve. Once upon a time, the salaries of all public servants were published here. That would make frightening reading today.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Salaries of State Sector employees should be public. Net Taxpayer pays those salaries.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:25am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    That 250m story is certainly doing the rounds, but I’ve not seen anything to verify it.
    Anyone..?
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:45am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, I type at 8.53am.
  
  Curious that the usual Labour hacks who downtick anything and everything in KiwiBlog HAVEN’T downticked any of the (many) jibes at the impending departure of Her Magnificence the Jacinda but that one HAS clearly thought ‘Well, THAT deserves a downtick’ about your tongue-in-cheek remark.
  
  A badge of honour for you, to be sure!
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The foot soldiers are putting their heads together to try and get Chipkins voted in without disharmony, but I think the Māori caucus might create the problem
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are two types of people who live in this World, those who get satire……. and socialists//
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:11am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TqoVhjJgdI

Is it just me or do you think Jacinda Ardern’s resignation is going over all too calmly.

It’s understandable that people are celebrating this wee respite of what seems like a ‘win’ with Ardern’s resignation…but is it a win, or is it just the continuation of a structured plan of the NZ globalist cohort? I predicted this last year that before the next election that there would be a change of guard, a change of globalist face to lure Kiwis into a false sense of security, to make them think they are winning…and yet, in reality, it will be the globalists playing out their ‘tag team’ plan to progress global governance and tyranny. The way Jacinda’s supporters are responding, and the way she is conducting herself seem all too calm and pleasant ‘AS IF’ they knew it was coming and ‘AS IF” they are all playing ‘a part’, ‘a role’ in the script… Is it just me, or are you thinking the same way, do you smell the rat? Do you have a sinking feeling along with the measured, sober gladness to see Ardern go? [8:25]
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January 20, 2023 8:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  curry4me – indeed. Enjoy the moment, but the agenda is still the same.
  Ardern just reached her useful limit, she might have gotten a phone call from someone at Davos……
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:47am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Actually, isn’t Aunty Helen in Switzerland? It would have been nice getting the message from your mentor.
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Escaping before the Coup?
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well, they say Chipkins will get the gig, when has he ever shown up in PM polls
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:02am
Pavel

In regards to Ardern I hope she keeps up her booster shots and finds the time to go for a good, strenuous, run everyday.
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January 20, 2023 8:07am
- sirknz
  
  Does this count as one of the unprecedented level of death threats that she has received or is the booster still considered safe and effective?
  
  It’s so hard to keep up with ‘The Science’™ that is settled as it changes so often.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

I watched TV One and Prime TV news last night…

1. How could both stations find so many folk who were devastated/heart broken, etc that Ardern had thrown in the towel?

2. I don’t ever recall being tearful or emotionally choked up when I resigned from a job (damn pleased, usually).
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January 20, 2023 8:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  TV3 managed to find a woman who was delighted at the news.
  And she comes from Austria.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:11am
  - nathie
    
    Here she is!
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/01/jacinda-ardern-resignation-her-meteoric-rise-and-the-bombshell-announcement-that-shocked-new-zealand.html
    
    Plus people from Morrinsville seemed to be glad:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/01/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-s-home-town-morrinsville-reacts-to-her-resignation.html
    
    But interestingly Newshub appears to have re-edited their online clips … on their tv news last night they had a number of people including a young Maori woman laughing her head off upon hearing that Jacinda had resigned (her reaction was so funny)!
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:53am
    - emmess
      
      Hmmmm
      I don’t recall Morrinsville being that bustling.
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:15am
      - nathie
        
        Yeah they appear to have juxtaposed the footage for online … i.e. deleted all the tv news footage from last night which basically had all of the people they interviewed in Morrinsville celebrating the news (that must be where I saw the young Maori woman being so animated and happy with the news).
        
        So seems like Newshub have now inserted footage from the Auckland street interviews in place of the real people from Morrinsville …. how deceitful of Newshub. The Team of $55m strikes back?
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Pop, 7000. A one horse town.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:29am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Estimated 8,500 Steve, bigger than Ngāruawāhia but smaller than Huntly.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Mike. Got my info from the google machine.
        8500 is still a one horse town. I come from the Waikato (not my fault)
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:50am
- krazykiwi
  
  One of my staff was onside at a client site yesterday – an oil refining/engineering facility. The whole place stopped, there was cheering, backslapping and there were things said about Ardern that would have made me blush. Work stopped and they broke out the beers.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:14am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    A fine example of the sentiment of the majority in NZ.
    
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    January 20, 2023 12:06pm
- Cinematic
  
  I’ve witnessed joyous celebration at Jacinda’s departure and from some I’m sure were firmly in her camp 2 years ago.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, I have heard nothing but joy, snd silence from lefties
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:06am
- Philview
  
  Yes, some of the reporting it was like a great leader had died. Later in the year Jacinda will be picking up 6 figure fees for speeches in the US. If Boris is getting £150K for speeches it isn’t unreasonable to assume Jacinda is going to cash in for speeches to her Liberal fan base in the US.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Last thing America needs a communist stirrer.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:33am
    - Paulus
      
      By listening to Alby across the ditch she will be very welcomed as a great Leader in Aussie.
      He and his Labour cohorts all think she is wonnerful.
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:22pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yep, they are brainwashed there. My brother in Coffs is a chardonnay socialist.
        
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        January 20, 2023 2:01pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Perhaps she could do a show with Meghan & Harry?
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:35am
- mikenmildagain
  
  TVNZ had plenty of vox pop both for and against Ardern.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bullshit, it was 90% people disappointed, the real world has most people even lifetime Labour voters angry, people laugh now when her name is mentioned
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:08am
- Taieri
  
  so many folk who were devastated/heart broken, etc that Ardern had thrown in the towel
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  I’m both, heartbroken and devastated.
  
  That she didn’t resign 5 years ago…
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    If it hadn’t been for that leech Peters she would have resigned 5 years ago
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, no signs of total anger in the streets that is there in abundance in the real world
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:04am
westernScientist

Mahuta to be announced as supreme leader on waitangi day, she wont loose the election because there wont be one. Welcome to new zimbabwe.
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January 20, 2023 8:10am
- leoj
  
  A dangerous woman, for sure.
  Her MO is having maori in charge of everything and so far she is getting her way.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Her mo is tribal nepotism.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:09am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Mahuta’s modus operandi is to “take back everything we own”.
      
      That is what she told a Maori colleague seven years ago (the colleague is a very close friend of Mahuta). The colleague passed that on to me verbatim.
      
      If people think a change of leadership is going to stop Mahuta, Jackson, Coffey, Davis et al they are dead wrong. Mahuta has been planning this co-governance coup for years.
      
      Chippy ain’t seen nothin yet.
      
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- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Coup is happening this early?
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:34am
  - mawm
    
    I find it a bit strange that Arden announced the election date at the same time. Shouldn’t she have left that to the new leader of Labour? Possibly to forestall the Willie/Mahuta coup?
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:02pm
- Kiwiguy
  
  This cuts both ways…
  They could choose someone polarising like Nanaia to suit their ideals, but this would 100% guarantee them a lost election in October.
  
  Or, they could choose someone more centrist which might help their dismal election chances, but wouldn’t suit their ideals…
  
  I’m not sure what would be the better choice, to be honest.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  By law the full result must be done by mid January, I don’t think they can change that date now it’s been set GG and all
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:10am
Maggie Pie

This hasn’t aged well either…..

https://twitter.com/DarienFenton/status/1583611140441255936
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January 20, 2023 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  Fenton is a joke.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why did I click on that? I already know Fenton is a train wreck.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:37am
  - Matt Long
    
    Every time I see D Fenton for some reason I wonder if NZ’s methadone program really worked.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I have argued with a vulgar angry Fenton on FB before, and every time I got banned for nothing, I tried complaining but. I was the answer, telling someone they are wrong is not against the community rules
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:12am
Tomtoddy

The media’s reaction to Ardern’s canning out is as predictable as it is puerile. It says a lot about Ardern and her shallowness, but it also says a lot about their fanatical, toe-sucking, idiocy. Running around like demented hens, like spoiled kids losing their teddy bear and claiming “hatred” drove her out shows just how sad and pathetic most have become. Grow up.
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January 20, 2023 8:12am
G152

One of the factors is the Mallard ducking out.
Without a compliant speaker she has had to actually answer questions.
And the rate of inflation with the only reason being liebors ineffectual book keeping.
As a certain play states Go, stand not upon ceremony Go
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January 20, 2023 8:13am
- nathie
  
  Well yesterday the MSM had articles on food prices having their highest price increases in 32 years.
  
  I remember the anguish then and how the (then Lange/Palmer) Labour Govt were being blamed …. but today’s MSM no longer link such bad news to the Govt of the day, Ardern/Robertson’s Labour.
  
  Granted the weather has caused issues with fruit and vegetable production, but Ardern/Robertson’s Labour have done as much damage if not more by their incompetence when it came to not allowing in overseas workers, their “green” policies seeing transport costs increasing, spiraling wage demands, worker shortages, not intervening with the Marsden Point closure (like they did with privately owned Tiwai Point to keep them running) and resulting shortages and escalating costs to import products, no policy or measures to improve productivity, wasteful spending etc.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:04am
slightlyrighty

So much talk about Ardern being driven out by hatred and misogyny, and that we should be ashamed for driving her out of the job.

Guess what. I resent the implication that my dissatisfaction with her as PM was driven by any of these factors.

She was not up to the job, and if you want evidence, you need only consider the fact that empowered with an absolute majority, she achieved next to nothing.

Chris Trotter summed up the Ardern Legacy perfectly yesterday, and it’s a great lesson for all politicians.

” She never appeared to grasp that announcing policy is not the same as implementing it. Press releases do not build houses. Speeches do not end poverty. In the end, it was Jacinda’s constant failure to deliver that made it impossible for her to go on.

If you say “Let’s do this!”, then, Dear God, you have to do it!”
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January 20, 2023 8:14am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Well said SR. The hatred and misogyny comments are coming from the childish opponents of democratic process, the obsessed with minorities, the “new deal” proponents. They are reacting to a very cold bath of realism.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t mind celebrating the removal of a socialist leader.
    She has gone because there is too much heat in the kitchen.
    Now NZ can face realism.
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:00am
- mogg
  
  After five years of failure, the pressure of the job would be unbearable. With every area of government
  in chaos she had no hiding place. There must also be deep divisions in Labour, between those who want to promote the unpopular Māori agenda and those who know they are out in October. ‘Dead men walking’.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have been taking a pat on the back at how well they did with the EV discount, even that was a failure because the Ute tax only raised half the money so the rest was borrowed, just more waste
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:16am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Chris Trotter has been a leftie forever, but over at the Standard they now hate him. Love it when they eat their own.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And they now love Slater and Lusk, bwhahahha
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:17am
- kowtow
  
  Actually the great lesson should have been for her adoring media pardy , they were the ones who seemed to think that announcing was delivering .
  
  There were very very few in the msm who actively called her out.
  
  btw anyone remember that podium of truth after the Clark cycle affair , she was finally put under pressure and was clearly getting very flustered ,but just as it was getting testy , someoen from the floor asked a totally off subject question and took her off the hook.( I’d lurv to know who that loyalist was)
  
  That and also the frumpy histrionics in QT in the house shows how she can’t handle pressure and this year was going to be a pressure cooker .
  
  Likewise constantly running from small vocal groups of protesters ; it was always about the optics ,not the substance , as she didn’t have any.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She has brought the anger and hatred on her self, as I pointed out before, just remember the vulgar way she treated the poor KFC girl calling her a liar on the news when MOH said she wasn’t, many mid aged women turned that day, snd the polls began to slip
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:15am
hmmokrightitis

The GB and I finally made it back together last night – Ive been in Wellington with clients, she with family in Auckland. We had so many questions, many unanswered, and the feeling of dread was upon us as we went to bed last night as we knew in the morning we had to address that one, huge problem we needed an answer to, following yesterdays horrific news.

Do we have 2 bottles of champagne to celebrate tonight, or 3?
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January 20, 2023 8:20am
- Biscuit
  
  Better stick to just two, hnmokrightitis…
  
  Champagne prices have skyrocketed under Jacinda’s watch even more so than those of the more common commodities…
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:03am
Frank the tank

Interesting bet my 2 mates came up with last night. What is longer:
The duration of the next Labour party leader or the time it takes the Warriors to win 3 games.

My money is on the Warriors.
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January 20, 2023 8:22am
Ford Prefect

So can I have a quick clarification.

Jacinda has resigned as PM only, she will stay on as list MP and continue as a backbencher??
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January 20, 2023 8:28am
- alex Masterley
  
  I took for her statement yesterday that she would hang around as an MP until April to avoid a by-election in Mt Albert.
  Then she will leave.
  Then there will be a scuffle to get the nomination for Mt Albert as that will guarantee a seat in the next Parliament. On that subject I see a scrap between Helen White and Camilla Belich taking place for the seat.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Don’t forget Claire Szabó.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:13am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Dont think so.
      Claire Szabo lives in the greenlane area. Helen White lives in Mt Albert (round the corner from me so it happens). And I think that Camilla Belich lives somewhere close by as well.
      In terms of visibility in the electorate it would be White then Belich and Szabo bringing up the rear.
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:33am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Txs
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:52am
      - Paulus
        
        Claire Szabo was until recently President of the Labour Party.
        She may have left to ready herself for Mt Albert seat.
        Machinations in the Party, not the Caucus
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:31am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I think you’re not thinking this through.
    A safe Labour seat when the majority of Labour’s List only MPs are about to be rinsed.
    There could be a whole number of senior Labour MPs who are at serious risk of losing their trough.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:35am
    - nathie
      
      Good point. Helen, Camilla and Claire are “pale” don’t fit Labour’s “co-governance” model (that they are imposing on the rest of us)!
      
      So to ensure Labour fulfills it’s stated commitment to Te Tiriti and Co-Governance (and to save those List MP’s about to go exinct) , surely Labour’s new Mount Albert candidate should be … drum roll please … Willie Jackson! 😂
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:18am
  - jedmo
    
    She is abandoning her Mt Albert constituents; leaving them without an MP for 6 months, allegedly to save the cost of a by-election. Pretty cavalier way to treat all those people who voted for you. Might not play out in favour of whoever eventually becomes the Labour Party candidate in 6 months time.
    But also wonder, is she concerned by how low the vote for Labour might be, if she left now and thereby triggered a by-election?
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:35am
    - Ghost
      
      No different than when Key resigned.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:37am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Key did 8 years, he never failed on every issue, and he certainly still was polling far higher than this woman
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:20am
      - Ghost
        
        Doesn’t matter G, she is doing exactly what he did, leaving 6 months before the election so as not to cause a by-election. Some reason it is ok when he did it, but she is abandoning her electorate for 6 months.
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:02pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Ghost @ 9:02PM
        You wouldn’t want to be in a survival situation with her, she’s a quitter.
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        So true, people should go into a job when they leave school and remain in that same job until they die. Good to know nick you would prefer to have Jacinda remain prime minister than leave.
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Leaving them without an MP for 6 months?
      No big deal. What has Jaspinda done for Mt Albert?
      SFA.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:24am
    - Roberta
      
      Also, I bet she won’t do an ounce of work there from Feb to April. Would be interesting to see if she ever walks in the door of her Sandringham Road office again (barring media appearances…)
      
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      January 20, 2023 6:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        She has more than earned some down time and sitting in the back bench. No other prime minister has worked has hard has her to bring apartheid into the country, destroy the economy, destroy the health system, damage every sector of public and private sectors.
        
        It’s amazing how one person stepping down can do so much for improving peoples mental health.
        
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        January 20, 2023 7:09pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Indeed. To think the good people of Mt Albert clutched to their bosom the bruised and dusty figure twice rejected by the wretches of Auckland Central. Such ingratitude!
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:00pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Only until April.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:09am
- Yabster
  
  yes till April then she will finally FO – April means no by election.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A narcissist will always appear and stick their oar in.
    Look at Helen Clark, we can’t get rid of her.
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:27am
- Biscuit
  
  What we can look forward to:
  
  • Farewell Tour of various Kindergartens throughout the land
  • Tears and gnashed teeth when a telegram arrives from BP pointing out that only sitting Prime Ministers cop freebie tickets to King Charles III’s coronation
  • A ‘live’ ‘Seven Sharp’ kitchen tête-à-tête with Hillary (and possibly Jeremy)
  • A ‘Breakfast’ interview with John Campbell during which a) Clarke nearly loses an eye to a particularly-animated Campbell mid-interview hand-flinging-about and in which b) we are informed that, ‘completely unexpectedly’, an invite to go to the UN has surfaced and that the First Couple depart for Noo Yawk ‘tomorrow morning.’
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:53am
  - nathie
    
    Heh! And what’s the bet both Hillary and John start shedding tears themselves (after all they both have form)!
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Campbell, lots of hand waving, and papers everywhere.
    So funny to watch with the sound off!
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Only till April then she is gone, it’s too avoid the bye election, don’t worry, you will probably never see her in the house after the 7th if the parliament is even back
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:19am
- Handyman
  
  That is why Ardern announced the date of the election. Upon resigning, it should have been up to the future PM to set the date. She set it as early as possible so the six months can begin as soon as April and she can start her new job.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:58am
Luke Piewalker

My take on Jacinda Ardern resigning:

1. Mahuta’s open defiance of Ardern last year has shown just how weak Ardern was.

2. Ardern had been shielded from everything from day one. Only kindy visits and trips handing out money.

3. It’s been a shock to her seeing the reality of NZ hating on her and knowing she was getting wiped out at the election.

4. What a coward. Wrecks the joint and then leaves it to someone else to clean it up.

5. Your legacy is leaving NZ it’s most divided, racist and broke in New Zealand’s history.

What a mess to be cleaned up. You did that.
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January 20, 2023 8:28am
- mogg
  
  You are quite right Ardern was ‘weak’, she was a celebrity not a PM. Now she has run away leaving her mess for somebody else to clean up. What has become very clear is the power of Media collusion in NZ politics, from the early days of ‘jacindamania’ and their determination to support her agenda by any means possible, right through to the present.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:38am
- Frank the tank
  
  Nobody I mean nobody of the left throws Mahutacorp under the bus and gets away with it.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  4. Every Labour Govt does the same before being rairoaded.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:31am
Paulus

She resigned whilst Helen was in Davos on the taxpayers funds.
Am I wrong but it is not the Labour Caucus who make the decsion for the next Leader and Prime Minister.
It is the Labour Party alone who decide – listen to President Jill Day this morning who tactfully and gently explained that it is the Labour Electoraete Committee, who, under the revised Party Constituancy who will decide.
That is the total wider LEC members who will have their say and it will not be by a Parliamentary Labour Caucus who decide.
I have an LEC person (dog walker) and Union Leader who will have their say, but dobtful if by Sunday this can be achieved.
Robertson will be persuaded to stay as Acting until new Leader is announced – Union person I expect as remember they got bamboozled by the Caucus over Ardern’s appointment five years ago.
Dog waiting so must go.
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January 20, 2023 8:29am
- nathie
  
  Thanks for bringing this up. I was puzzled yesterday when it was announced that Labour would choose their new leader in 3 days time.
  
  I thought the wider membership, LEC and unions had to be involved.
  
  And it was to be only, say within weeks of an election, that the Labour Caucus could make a decision (like they did in 2017 when Andrew Little stepped down and Jacinda took over the leadership).
  
  So what gives and why did the MSM uncritically “repeat” what PM Ardern said yesterday, and why not much follow up from the MSM today as to how the process works?
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:00am
  - Ghost
    
    The Labour Caucus has seven days to ascertain whether one individual holds more than 2/3rds support within caucus to become the new leader and Prime Minister. A caucus vote for a new leader will occur in 3 days on 22 January.
    If no one receives 2/3rds support within caucus, the leadership contest will go to the wider Labour membership. This can happen in a short time frame and the Prime Minister has recommended to the Party that the process, if required, conclude no later than 7 February.
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-announces-resignation
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The Māori caucus will make it hard for Chipkins
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe Sunday there will be an announcement about making an announcement about a future announcement?
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:35am
Ohm my

Mahuta for PM!!!
– She’s running the joint anyway.
– She’s got herself relatively trim, and her hairstylist knows what they’re doing.
– Media will, surely, have to report more on 5Waters, and “Co”-Governance, enabling more NZers to finally have more understanding of the separatist agenda being rammed through.
– She ticks alot, but not all of the Regressives (self-labeled Progressives) boxes.
Mahuta for PM!
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January 20, 2023 8:30am
- Yabster
  
  Media and NZ on Air are a big part of the problem- the new “Te Tiriti Framework for News Media” they have just produced spells out what the Government and the media will be pushing- racist b/s basically.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:21am
Rusty

Jacindas luck had to run out sooner or later.

Chosen (not elected) to deputy Leader then Labour leader and finally Prime minister (courtesy of Winston Peters) all in 2017 — talk about luck breaks!

And then covid came along in 2020 and another lucky break for her with most Nzers scared out of their wits by Jacinda and Bloomfields death threats propaganda — no brainer Jacinda would win the
elections easily.

Good riddance to her, under normal circumstances she would never have been PM in the first place with her stupid progressive (marxist) politics.
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January 20, 2023 8:30am
Ford Prefect

Also, another quick question for the political tragics on Kiwiblog. Has any leader of a country resigned and later rose to the top job again?

I know there have been Presidents with non-sequential reigns. Trump has an outside chance of this. But what about the Commonwealth Prime Ministers??
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January 20, 2023 8:30am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Don’t think so
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  
  In recent memory:
  Mahatir Mohamad, Malaysia.
  Sitiveni Rabuka, Fiji. (resigned as an MP)
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  NZ had only Holyoake – briefly PM in 1957 but returned in 1960.In the nineteenth century there were instances of NZ premiers having multiple turns in office.
  I think only one US president has had two non-sequential terms.
  Harold Wilson had non-consecutive terms as UK PM.
  Jamaica has had alternating PMs.
  Probably plenty of other examples.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:32am
  - Oskar
    
    Winston Churchill PM 1940 – 1945 and then 1951 – 1955
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:05am
- plc
  
  Nearest examples I can think are Churchill and John Howard…though neither resigned.
  
  Also I think Wilson/Heath jockeyed with electoral defeat in UK in 60/70s until that country was saved by the Baroness.
  
  Interesting aside: Who knew singing Ding Dong The Witch is Dead…is both misogynistic and hateful. I don’t remember that view being forwarded by the left when another female leader died
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There was a well-known website: isthatcherdeadyet.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:48am
  - Biscuit
    
    Yep, plc.
    
    I see Sam Neill is out slamming Jass being subjected to misogynism and hate.
    
    Given that he is keen for us to know his views, would he please enlighten us as to what level of high humour he came out with after Maggie T’s death saw that ‘Wiz of Oz’ song revived:
    
    ‘Unbelievably high’?
    ‘Stratospheric’?
    ‘It’s still increasing’?
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump 2024 is a winner.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:38am
kowtow

“Nothing left in the tank”

Albanese said she had intellect and leadership.

Actually neither.

She was constantly coming up with very simplistic figures of speach and short one liners to communicate .

Perhaps that was her appeal , at a kindy level , to low intellect voters and supporters.

Anyway it’s the electorate who have a problem putting fuel in the tank and in her case the anti CO2 activist, perhaps she should have said
” There’s no charge left in the battery ” ( but there’s always plenty of Indonesian coal imports)
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January 20, 2023 8:31am
- Paulus
  
  Will the Aussies take her under a Reverse 501 -Albanese and his cohorts think she is the real cat’s whiskers ?
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:38am
DeepBlue

Ardern looked terrible yesterday. I don’t mean the tears and fraught stress of making her announcement, but an underlying physical distress in her skin and face shape. Symptoms that should not be there after 4 weeks hiding away over Christmas to make her decision.

I believe her tank ran dry at Christmas when she discovered the sycophants in Wellington were lying about her popularity slump. She was never going to recover and she finally got to read the provincial room herself.

(Also is Crammer on substack onto a personal liability issue?)
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January 20, 2023 8:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She needs a damn good feed.
  
  I know some females think it’s fashionable to be wafer thin, but it doesn’t leave anything in the tank when times get tough or when age catches up with you.
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What about ‘Anna’ that I posted here last week…
    she appears to have a bit in the tank 😛
    
    https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1612870050540826625
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:15am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Anna looks special enuff! LOL 🙂
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Female politicians are always stereotyped as too thin or too fat.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:33am
    - cmm
      
      Nobody was saying that about the Finnish PM and she can out-party Cindy any day of the week.
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:44am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        She was party shamed – deemed unacceptable for a female. Being forced to apologize for a party would astonish any male NZ politician from the 1970s or 80s.
        
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        January 20, 2023 9:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The lies exposed by Cranmer in this blog post may well have contributed to the decision to jump.
  
  there is clear evidence in the official documents that it was agreed that references to increasing dosing intervals as a method of potentially providing some protection against myocarditis should be removed from public communications.
  
  That is provable malfeasance, plain and simple.
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1
  
  Also, have National commented on these revelations? If not, why not? This is alarming evidence of wrongdoing. Rory Nairn may well have died for no reason.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:14am
  - Ghost
    
    An article for you clan
    
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/epdf/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
    
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    January 20, 2023 8:17pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  To me she as always looks terrible, not being spiteful either
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:23am
Loddenthinks

“And in unrelated news, the 52-year low in business confidence expressed earlier this week has been rebounded to a 5 and a half-year high.” //
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January 20, 2023 8:33am
Maggie Pie

QUITE INTERESTING.

Respected journalist and radio host Rachel Smalley (“heifers” and “bunch-of-lard-arses” fame 😀 ) wrote this in her NBR column last October…..

https://nbr.co.nz/on-the-record/arderns-star-has-fallen/
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January 20, 2023 8:34am
- Stu2
  
  Excellent article, thanks
  
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  January 20, 2023 8:46am
- Grunt
  
  Written on the 14th October – Mmmm, that date rings a bell. Roll on that date!
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:05am
- Frank the tank
  
  Champagne socialist Smalls’ has jumped on the Luxon bus earlier than her mates hoping for a gig. Don’t be surprised to see Smalls’ in Luxon’s media team in the next couple of months.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:36am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Respected” by herself only. This is the same person who asked why they would name the Kepler telescope after material used to make sails (Kevlar)?
  
  Reminded me very much of the idiotic character Kevin Kline played (brilliantly) in the excellent comedy A Fish Called Wanda. He asked why someone would name they’re daughter after a car. The daughter’s name was Portia.
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:01pm
Bridgenag

Did you see the “interview” with the CEO of Pfizer where he refused to answer every question he was asked?

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/where-is-their-champion?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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January 20, 2023 8:38am
- Frank the tank
  
  Jim Jordan and the Oversight committee has his sights on him.
  
  The game would appear up somewhat.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:38am
oldpark

Arderns’ Three Waters and co-government afforded to just 16% of the NZ population was a splash too far.
Not forgetting the attack on Mum and Dads’ One or two Investment Properties for their retirement.
When she and her ilk cancelled any normal business interest payment deductions.
That put up rents and at the same time crucified the Residential Property Market.
Just Two instances of so much angst and WTF is going on amongst needless much more pain and hurt to so many NZs who gave her a landslide majority in 2020.Feeling in most peoples minds .She betrayed so much good will.

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January 20, 2023 8:46am
Maggie Pie

Jessica Much saying…. “Jacinda left on her own terms”

Who believes that shit? LOL!! 😀
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January 20, 2023 8:54am
- kowtow
  
  She would say that , she of ‘Jessica then Tova’ .
  
  The woman who wanted to fix child poverdee and whose made it way worse with lockdowns , handouts and an enhanced criminal culture ( due to race politics) .
  
  Nope ,she’s gone because the polls have turned and she realises ( finally) politics and getting things done is a very difficult task . She’s had a great summer break and realises you can have a soft time and still make lots of cash ( she’ll make a fortune on the speaking circuit from idiot crony capitalists)
  
  When the going gets tough , she’s gone.
  
  What great leadership qualities //
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Speaking of Tova, what is she saying? Last I heard she was calling Ardern a liar
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:26am
- Yabster
  
  Much is a media disgrace – Cindy fan girl- “Jessica, Tova…”
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:24am
- I remember when
  
  What will Jacinda be remembered for:-
  * The Christchurch mosque attack.
  * White Island eruption – although she was a very late arrival.
  * Restricted the (legal) sale of semi-automatic firearms.
  * The actions taken during Covid, although the longterm facts may change how this is viewed.
  * Lead her party to single party rule under MMP.
  * First world leader to take maternity leave (although age would prevent the great majority).
  * Showed motherhood was no obstacle by having her baby with her at a UN General Assembly meeting.
  * During her resignation announcement listed reducing children poverty as one of her achievements (Surprising couldn’t instantly recall many.)
  * Has a partner who presents ‘Fish of the Day.’
  * Was aspirational.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:28am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Hahaha – Not-Much so far up Cindy wah-zoo it’s hilarious. No one believes that. Way too obvious it was a push of kinds.
  
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  January 20, 2023 12:28pm
TripeWryter

Every so often Andrea Vance of Stuff shocks me when she remembers she is a journalist and not some Pravda-type apparatchik.
Her column yesterday on Jacinda Ardern’s resignation was bang-on.
It was the most clear-eyed, too, as the rest of the paid-for media ran paeans of praise for the soon-to-be ex-prime minister.
Poor Audrey Young. The poor woman sounded distraught in the piece she wrote.
I must also make special mention for Josie Pagani, a Labourite (Labouright?) who commented in Stuff yesterday.
She wrote a column that more of our Jacinda-fixated media should have written – that Jacinda really didn’t achieve all that much for all the glittering, glistering coverage she got in the media.
As for Jacinda: congratulations on your decision to be there at the school gate when your daughter starts school. She will appreciate it.
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January 20, 2023 8:54am
- BeaB
  
  So will we!
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:20am
- kowtow
  
  ‘As for Jacinda: congratulations on your decision to be there at the school gate when your daughter starts school.’
  
  You believe that she’ll be there ?
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:21am
  - Max Mansplain
    
    Yes, for the cameras on the first day of course.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:35am
    - kowtow
      
      Good point.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:31am
Nickc2

Stuff is grasping for the loose change remaining from the Journalist’s bribe fund eh?
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January 20, 2023 8:55am
True man

Two questions:
1. Is a new PM able change Ardern’s election date of the 14th Oct?

2. I have seen 2 x %’s quoted for a new Labour leader’s needed majority:
In Richard Shaw’s piece in today’s NZ Herald – he states 60%
In Thomas Coughlan’s piece in today’s NZ Herald – he states 2/3rd or 66%
Who is correct?
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January 20, 2023 9:00am
- john1234
  
  1. I can’t see why not, but it would be so politically damaging as to be not worth doing so.
  2. 2/3 of MPs’ support required. If not, then goes to wider party membership. That’s the last thing the caucus want: weeks of rudderless infighting. I expect to see the Maori caucus take advantage of this and get their pick selected.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The ‘Maori caucus’ is about 15? of 64 MPs. Influential sure, but possibly not decisive even if they voted as a bloc, which is not guaranteed.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:39am
    - septic skeptic
      
      “Now we see the racism inherent in the system”
      said Willie Jackson, next week.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Over two thirds, and if Ardern goes to the GG with a signed cabinet paper saying the election is that dat, then I don’t think it can be changed
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:27am
Swifty

In the last few decades China and India between them have lifted hundreds of millions of their citizens out of poverty through free enterprise – meeting the needs and wants of others in a free exchange of value.

This is highly commendable. The people concerned are now living happier, longer and healthier lives as a result.

And of note all of this is self-sustaining, should they continue to offer quality good and services at competitive prices in comparison to others.

Of all the many, many things Labour and Ardern promised in desperate attempts to get themselves elected in 2011, 2014 and 2017 the vast majority have not only not been achieved but have in fact become worse.

I see already though that the organ grinders and clapping monkeys have started trumpeting Ardern having ‘halved’ child poverty and that will be her legacy etc etc.

But has she really? Or has she merely papered over the cracks? Has she merely put a sticking plaster over a cancerous sore?

If, as I believe to be the case, that the vast majority of NZ households with children have gone from an income of less than 50% of the median income to over 50% through Ardern increasing the benefit levels is this a real achievement? Or is it just smoke and mirrors?

What is sustainable about this? Shouldn’t the objective be the lowering of the numbers of Nee Zealanders dependent on their fellow citizens for their living? Isn’t that the more worthy goal, particularly for the people affected? By any measure people live happier, healthier and longer lives when productive.

So to the clapping monkeys, forgive me for not joining you in your adulation for Ardern.

As far as raising benefits or mandating increases to minimum wage levels, or shoving through coercive ‘fair pay’ legislation at the stroke of a pen – well, any monkey could do that.
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January 20, 2023 9:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Are you recommending that NZ should be more like China and India than, say, Australia or Canada?
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:40am
  - Swifty
    
    There you go again – ascribing to me words or thoughts I do not have and did not write.
    
    I’m going to start calling you Cathy from now on, after Cathy Newman.
    
    “So, you think we should all start living like lobsters?”
    
    “No, I didn’t say that.”
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:09am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Hah – “be the victorious lobster”. always tricky to debate someone who only talks in metaphors.
      Just a bit of fun, Swifty. For us to really be more like India or China would require an even more accelerated drop in our GDP per capita that successive NZ governments have presided over for 50 years.
      
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      January 20, 2023 10:22am
      - Swifty
        
        Yawn.
        
        Yet again you totally miss my point and lurch off to attack points I did not make.
        
        Thanks for coming Cathy.
        
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        January 20, 2023 10:40am
      - Matt Long
        
        India and china have moved to a more free model where people keep the fruits of their labour lifting hundreds of millions out of grinding poverty.
        At the same time NZ has been removing freedoms and imbedding communist policies to impoverish a similar proportion of our people.
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sure Matt, tell us about how the Chinese communist party has been making people freer.
        
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        January 20, 2023 2:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      @ Swifty.
      “Karen” is fitting.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:57am
Nickc2

She never had any control over her Maori Caucus and they played her like a one-string guitar (on beat, but never in tune) and she couldn’t handle that. IMO, they set her up to fail in order that they could further their racist policies.
That said, I doubt there will be any further attempts at advancing Maori separatism legislation before October.
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January 20, 2023 9:06am
- PeeJay
  
  If only that were true.
  
  The real worry for me is that like her or not, I suspect Ardern was worth 10 points on Labour’s poll rating – she had strong support among women, particularly young women. I suspect without her they are in the very low 20’s and possibly even nudging into the high teens. I think Labour know this – I suspect they know they will be destroyed at the election. What this means is they could be out of power for a very long time. My fear is that they know this and realise that with their majority, the only opportunity they will have for radical separatist laws is to enact them before the election.
  
  I hope I’m wrong but I worry that things are about to get a whole lot worse before the election.
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:25pm
BeaB

RNZ spent hours this morning boringly banging on about so-called vitriol instead of the abject failure of Ardern to live up to her promises. Remember when she told us just before Xmas she was definitely returning to fight this years election?
As for the vitriol, Fox News said something about her teeth. Shrieks of horror!
I always thought it fair enough she was asked questions about being pregnant while PM.
In fact, for most of her time in office she was asked hardly any questions at all, apart from patsy ones from the Tova and Jessica fan girls.
Ardern was an ambitious politician who got many free passes because she was a woman.
History may not be so kind.
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January 20, 2023 9:20am
- NothingLeft
  
  The immense failures of Labour under Ardern require no commentary – just data presented in a few graphs; govt debt, PISA rankings, working age welfare recipient numbers, house prices, crime rates, surgical wait times, business sentiment, house prices, time spent in covid lockdown (after they initiated it 2months later than they should have and located MIQ within Auckland)
  
  Fuckup after fuckup after fuckup from quantitatively and qualitatively the worst govt in NZ history. Without even touching on the dreadful state she has left race-relations in.
  
  Ardern was an abysmal leader – wanting to be praised and loved by everyone, fundamentally lazy with a bad work ethic, poorly educated/ignorant, no respect for foundational underpinnings of democratic govt (like so many on left). And a complete failure in management due to her desire to be loved by everyone. Honestly seems like a Narcissist:
  
  Issues Narcissists have:
  “Become impatient or angry when they don’t receive special recognition or treatment.
  Have major problems interacting with others and easily feel slighted.
  React with rage or contempt and try to belittle other people to make themselves appear superior.
  Have difficulty managing their emotions and behavior.
  Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change.
  Withdraw from or avoid situations in which they might fail.
  Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection.
  Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, humiliation and fear of being exposed as a failure.”
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:15am
- kowtow
  
  ‘because she was a woman.’
  
  Better still a”progressive” woman .
  
  The media pardy have a particular vitriol for women of the genuine conservative ilk.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:31am
rangitoto

Just to pour cold water on all this, we still have a bunch of clowns with a majority in parliament.
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January 20, 2023 9:27am
- Matt Long
  
  Hopefully paralised by infighting and incompetence.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:17am
Scooter

I don’t believe for a minute that she resigned because she’s worn out/doesn’t have a full tank etc. Either she knew they would lose the election and wanted to get out before the humiliation or like some have suggested wanted to put Co governance on hold and the Maori caucus refused.
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January 20, 2023 9:28am
- Ghost
  
  She resigned after setting the date for the next election. She may have a job awaiting her and she set the date so she can then quit and not cause a by-election
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    There is only a by-election if she resigns as an MP. Her resignation as PM does not matter.
    
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    January 20, 2023 9:40am
    - notreadyet
      
      I understand she has resigned as mp from April to avoid the byelection
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        A humiliating by-election.
        
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        January 20, 2023 11:18am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She is resigning in April with her electorate, inside 6 months no need for a bye election, but Mt Albert won’t have an MP for 6 months
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:30am
  - Paulus
    
    Only Albanese will give her a job – he thinks she is wunnerful – but from a Labour PM you would !
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:32pm
- Paulus
  
  You are right – failure and humiliation got to her with the latest now hidden opinion polls.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:43am
Maggie Pie

Who will be our next ‘single-source-of-truth’ next month?

Asking for a friend.
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January 20, 2023 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  I am so missing the 1pm lectures.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:00am
  - Biscuit
    
    Good news, Maggy…
    
    ONE Ewes is compiling a special commemorative programme:
    
    JACINDA’S TOP 100 PODIUM SPEECHES
    
    I understand that there will be special guest appearances by Sir Ashley, everyone’s favourite doommonger Professor Michael Baker and, of course, the Lady In Pink, Dr Siouxsie Wiles…
    
    No idea when it will run but, heh, I can let you know here and now that I will be elsewhere that night…
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:19am
    - nathie
      
      Breaking News!?!
      
      The ONE Ewes special commemorative programme has been delayed …. until the aforementioned guests stop crying and crying and crying over news of the PM’s resignation.
      
      In other news, despite the sun shining and floods receding on the East Coast, experts were at a loss as to why parts of Auckland and Wellington suddenly started flooding after 1pm yesterday.
      
      Investigations that followed the sources of the flooding back to the households of the aforementioned guests and other well-known “Jacindamaniacs” have been refuted as misinformation by the Disinformation Project spokespeople, professionally holding back their tears for the cameras and who happened to be interviewed from their rooftop as the building entrance was under a metre of water.
      
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      January 20, 2023 11:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A pick the lies out program LOL
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:00pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Here Maggy, try this instead:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHPEKLQID4U
    
    Much better for your blood pressure!
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:13pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Chipkins said this podium is the one source of truth, ho figure, he is now favoured to win
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:30am
ClanMcleod

The evidence of malfeasance is becoming unstoppable. Possibly another reason for Ardern jumping early?

CDC passes the point where malfeasance can be mistaken for incompetence

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) didn’t include serious adverse events like heart inflammation on post-vaccination surveys even though the agency knew the issues could be linked to COVID-19 vaccines documents show.

Even before the surveys were rolled out in December 2020 after the first vaccines were authorized, the CDC knew that myocarditis—a form of heart inflammation since confirmed as being caused by the Pfizer and Moderna shots—and other serious adverse events were of “special interest” when it came to the vaccines, according to a newly disclosed version of the protocol for the survey system.

The Nov. 19, 2020, protocol (pdf) for V-safe, the survey system, lists myocarditis, stroke, death, and a dozen “prespecified medical conditions.” The protocol was obtained by the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN), a nonprofit that seeks transparency around health information. All of the conditions can cause severe symptoms.

V-safe is a system of surveys that was introduced during the COVID-19 pandemic to monitor vaccine safety. It was developed and is managed by the CDC.

Updated versions of the protocol list the same 15 adverse events.

None of the conditions were included in the actual surveys.

None of this ever reported in mainstream media.
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January 20, 2023 9:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Apologies, I forgot to post the link to this.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/cdc-passes-the-point-where-malfeasance?
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:44pm
Maggie's partner

This is today’s Stuff Daily Quiz, and my answers

1. Did Jacinda solve child poverty – yes / no – I answered No
2. Did Jacinda save 6 million lives during covid – yes / no – I answered No
3. Did Jacinda achieve her year of delivery – yes / no – I answered No
4. Did Jacinda leave NZ a safer, largely crime free place – yes / no – I answered No
5. Was Jacinda the leader of a transparent goverment as she promised she would be – yes / no – I answered No
6. Was Jacinda right to turn her stormtroopers on the protest in Wellington – yes / no – I answered No
7. Will history recognise her greatness – yes / no – I answered No
8. Did Jacinda leave NZ a better, more united and prosperous country – yes / no – I answered No
9. Did Jacinda do the right thing in resigning – yes / no – I answered Yes
10. Did Jacinda score the winning try to seal victory in the womens rugby world cup – yes / no – I answered No

I got one out of ten – which one do you think I got right?
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January 20, 2023 9:35am
- Swifty
  
  Excellent.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:05am
- Biscuit
  
  You’ll go far, Maggie’s partner!
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:20am
  - NothingLeft
    
    you’ll go far
    yes, straight to the re-education camp when labour overthrows the “Tyranny of the majority” and ushers us into a new golden age of Maori feudalism using their current parliamentary majority.
    
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    January 20, 2023 10:38am
    - PeeJay
      
      shh – please don’t give them any ideas!!!!!!
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:16pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Heh heh, NothingLeft.
      
      Maggie’s partner seems a clued-up individual (though he DOES, I see, admit to wilfully consorting with, gasp, a TENNIS player).
      
      I am picking that he, like my good self, will be avoiding open high-rise windows in the coming months lest an embittered Jacinda fan attempt to ‘perp a Putin’ on either, or both of, us…
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:17pm
- Ehlana
  
  Six million lives? Are we counting as yet unconceived New Zealanders too?
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:15pm
Stu2

The thread a couple of days ago about light EV RUC exemption was interesting. Clearly a lot of the respondents didn’t know who kicked it off.

It was Simon Bridges, when he was the National Minister for Transport.

Originally the incentive was to be until the end of 2022 or when 2% of the light fleet were EVs.

It has been changed to March 2024. MoT fleet stats have just over 1.5% of the light fleet electric, plugin hybrid or fuel cell as of Dec 2022.
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January 20, 2023 9:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Well it was a mistake from the outset.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:09am
- Matt Long
  
  Yes, one of the reasons I was disappointed when Bridges was elected leader, but wasn’t he light-years ahead of anyone since.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:21am
TripeWryter

Kowtow: to answer your qustion – I don’t know.
We (and Neve) will have to take her at her word.
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January 20, 2023 9:41am
Maggie Pie

“The fix is in”

Jenna Lynch interviews Labor’s new Leader…..

https://twitter.com/JennaLynchNZ/status/1616167081636163584
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January 20, 2023 9:56am
- Paulus
  
  Lynch has been a Jacinday close fan, and really still is, as long as she get time to condemn Luxon which she continues to do.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:46am
- Frank the tank
  
  Mahutacorp’s spokesperson Willy Jackson says otherwise.
  
  Nobody crosses Mahutacorp……
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:28am
- nathie
  
  I think Jenna Lynch nearly busted a Ramraider who pretended to be Chippie once he saw the cameras rolling (hence the vague waffling answers)!
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:52am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Stalking much
  
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  January 20, 2023 12:34pm
Swifty

In my view, one of the massive lessons New Zealanders have an opportunity to learn is never, ever, ever judge a politician on what they say they’re going to do. On their promises. On their ‘aspirations’. Or on ‘how they make you feel.’

Always, always, always judge them on their results actually delivered.

If more and more New Zealanders understood this we would, collectively, be less prone to electing charlatans and snake oil and monorail salesmen – who promise the world and deliver next to or actually nothing, as has been our recent experience.

I wonder too what Labour Party MPs and apparatchiks make of the last five years?

Increasingly, it now looks almost certain that they are to be routed at the election with great swathes of them to lose their jobs, booted out by a public who have lost all confidence in Labour’s ability to deliver improved outcomes for New Zealanders.

I wonder if they will feel chastised? Remorseful? Regretful that after years of bagging Key and English and promising to do so much better, when it came to their turn they have failed miserably, their promises discarded and the country in a far worse state than when they inherited it.

And, just as importantly, will they change their behaviour in future and learn to show just a touch of humility or contrition instead of the mindless and endless braying that only they have all the answers?
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January 20, 2023 10:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Easy. No, no and no.
  
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  January 20, 2023 9:23pm
ClanMcleod

This is a very VERY good interview with Doctor Aseem Malhotra. Some insights into media censorship. He actually gave a 20 minute interview with a journalist who suspected he had been injured by the vaccine. The journalist’s radio station wouldn’t air the interview.
Orders are coming from above.

Russell Brand speaks to Dr Aseem Malhotra on medical truth bombing the BBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DofywJwCjA

The tipping point is coming.
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January 20, 2023 10:12am
krazykiwi

Sam Neill:

#PrimeMinister @jacindaardern resigned today. I am not surprised nor do I blame her. Her treatment, the pile on, in the last few months has been disgraceful and embarrassing. All the bullies, the misogynists, the aggrieved. She deserved so much better. A great leader. Thanks PM!

Spoken like a wealthy, out-of-touch ‘progressive’, insulated from the real-life consequences of Ardern’s ineptitude, and left with nothing to say of any substance other than to lash about claims of bullying, misogyny, and ‘deserving better’

Grow up, Neill. You and your fellow cultists are part of the problem. By the way, your wine is awful.
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January 20, 2023 10:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Remember the pile-on against Simon Bridges for a Facebook post about Covid? Was that “disgraceful and embarrassing” Sam, or is it somehow different when the person being piled on is a National Party male MP?
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:15am
  - Yabster
    
    Not to mention Collins- no tweet from sammy boy and his left twits then?
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:01am
  - PeeJay
    
    …..and the song’s about Key’s daughter……and the dildo incident…..but as we all know by now, totally different when the left do it.
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  People should pay less attention to the words of actors, singers, royalty, influencers, ‘reality’ TV personalities, sports stars, talk-show hosts and anyone else generating opinions completely unrelated to their profession.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:32am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Trolls. You forgot trolls.
    
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    January 20, 2023 11:44am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Don’t be so hard on yourself. We’re talking about identifiable personalities.
      
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      January 20, 2023 2:09pm
- Taieri
  
  She deserved so much better.
  ———-
  
  Why?
  
  A great leader.
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  Yeah, right…
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:44am
- Cinematic
  
  Sam’s a pretty good actor. Clearly a shockingly terrible judge of leadership qualities.
  
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  January 20, 2023 12:06pm
Tony Stuart

Inflation at its highest level for 30 years and interest rates rising.
Food prices with their highest annual rise in 32 years.
Business confidence the lowest in 52 years, which is the history of that metric.

It’s hardly the platform for a successful election campaign, and to be fair, you can’t really blame Ardern for having recognised that. She deserves some credit for realising that she no longer had what was needed to leads the country, although to be fair there have been doubts about that for some time.

We have an interesting next few months ahead of us.
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January 20, 2023 10:13am
- Cinematic
  
  No, no credit is due. If she had a smidgen of self awareness she would never have accepted the leadership roles as she did. Ardern was a blundering thin skinned hopeless PM and bone lazy useless MP before that.
  
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  January 20, 2023 12:04pm
  - PeeJay
    
    Agree with you – no credit is due and I’m a bit disappointed at the wall to wall coverage of her resignation like she was a later day saint.
    
    I had the pleasure of meeting Ardern and Nikki Kaye years back when they were campaigning for the Auckland Central seat – must have been the 2008 election I think. Kaye was ok, nothing particularly impressive but was reasonably knowledgeable. Ardern was thick as two short planks – I was appalled that the NZ political system allowed someone like her to stand – if she was Labour’s best bet for Auckland Central then it really didn’t say too much for those she beat in the selection race.
    
    Since then, nothing Ardern has done, either as an MP nor as PM has made me question my initial perception of her as stupid, ill informed and totally out of her depth. My particular low point was when she shamelessly used the Norwegian massacre (Brevik I think it was) and got some kids to release red balloons on parliaments steps.
    
    She’s done well for herself and made a shit-ton of money and will obviously be at the UN, or something similar, by the end of the year, but the biggest disappointment for me is not seeing her smug face when they get crushed at the polls later this year! She’s caused a lot of damage to this country in her time in charge – I really wish folks would remember that and stop with the saint worship!
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:11pm
Benedict Yu

A “Maori Caucus”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131020899/labour-mori-caucus-to-meet-saturday-ahead-of-sundays-vote-for-a-new-leader

Can you imagine the horror show that would happen if a Labour MP announced that he or she was forming a “White caucus”. All Maori MPs would be excluded, along with each of the following MPs, who are not white, or of predominantly European heritage:

Priyanca Radhakrishnan, born in India

Jenny Salesa, born and raised in Tonga

Vanushi Walters, born in Sri Lanka

Naisi Chen, Chinese

Ibrahim Omer, wo is from Eritrea

Anahila Kanongata’a-Suisuiki, Tongan

Anae Neru Leavasa, Samoan

Lemauga Lydia Sosene, Samoan

Terisa Ngobi, mixed Samoan and Scottish ethnicity
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January 20, 2023 10:20am
- Paulus
  
  All Labour List seats I think, so goodbye – close the door behind you.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:47am
- PeeJay
  
  Agreed.
  
  Can you imagine the outrage, and rightly so in my opinion, if we they changed the phrase they’ve used in the last day from ‘next PM…..should be Maori’ to ‘next PM…..should be white’ or ‘male’ or ‘heterosexual’ etc. It would be a complete nuclear meltdown.
  
  I’m all for equality of opportunity – I despise racism, sexism etc – but the left never seem to see the inherent contradiction in their statements promoting reverse-sexism or reverse-racism etc. Just because you favour brown skin and view one ethnicity as superior or requiring special treatment or right, doesn’t mean you aren’t racist – it’s a bloody textbook definition of racism!
  
  Positive discrimination is still discrimination. But as we often find, it’s ok when the left do it.
  
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  January 20, 2023 12:59pm
EverlastingFire

Ardern’s resignation is only the first step of many that needs to play out. The next step is a Nat/ACT government with a strong influence from ACT. Only after 100 days of a new government can we get a sense of where the country is actually heading.
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January 20, 2023 10:23am
Ghost

Breaking news

Labour press conference Announcing new Prime Minister

I’d vote for him
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January 20, 2023 10:25am
Maggy Wassilieff

Life carries on as usual for some poor folks…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/two-people-seriously-injured-in-shooting-at-an-auckland-home/TJYU7N5NJ5B23CDWYQARXTLVG4/
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January 20, 2023 10:25am
- Ghost
  
  Wow Jacinda certainly solved gun crime in New Zealand
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can we all have our guns back now?
    
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    January 20, 2023 12:07pm
blue collar

We all saw it coming last year with the labour leadership rule change so no surprise .
But I’m FUCKED OFF we didn’t get to throw her out , and I’m gonna miss the tv camera zooming in on her face in defeat .

Advice to ardern

FOR YOUR OWN SAKE APOLOGISE

Apologise for the mandates , miq, the not meeting protestors ,
Everything else aside , crime , economy , co governance , marsden point , oil and gas , schools etc …… she needs to address that festering site
If she doesn’t do this she will be HOUNDED for the rest of her life and her family won’t know peace
People are forgiving , if she can’t bring herself to do this then I’m sorry jacinda , you brought this on yourself
Use your last speech wisely
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January 20, 2023 10:30am
- krazykiwi
  
  Apologise????
  
  Dwellers in the lofty realms of power never, and I do mean never, apologise.
  
  According to them it is we, the little people, who should apologise for failing to appropriately honour the magnificence of their every word and deed.
  
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  January 20, 2023 10:40am
- MCōs
  
  The not met protesters who wanted to hang her in front of parliament?
  Those protesters?
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:20am
Maggie's partner

I think you all know the tune

And now the end is near, and so I face the final curtain
The polls are bad that’s clear, we will not win that much is certain.
I’ve lived a life of bull, potholes in each and every highway
and more, much more than this, I’ve told some lies, aye

Results, I’ve had a few, but then again, to few to mention
I took away their guns, no not the gangs, they had exemptions
I love you all of course, no, sorry, Clarke, not in a Bi way
and more, much more than this, I’ve ruined lives, aye

yes there were times, I’m sure you knew
when things were tough, too tough for me to chew
but through it all, when there was doubt
I stood up tall and lied it out
what I did best, was bribe the press
to tell things my way
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January 20, 2023 10:37am
- NothingLeft
  
  brilliant
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:10am
- Sparrow
  
  This is better than the original
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:46am
Philview

As a conservative I am glad to see the back of Jacinda Ardern. Some of my personal lowlights were her extreme Liberal positions which included:

She voted against a ban on sex selection as a grounds for abortion.

She voted against an amendment that aborted babies born alive should receive medical care.

She voted for self identity of gender being a simple online declaration

She voted for a ban on gender conversion therapies.

She voted for the attempted entrenchment of race based control of water services in knowledge of legal advice that such an entrenchment was probably illegal.

She voted for a late amendment to race based water control to greatly increase the scope of that control to include the seabed and rivers then claimed she and her party didn’t understand the wording despite tabling the amendment.

She supported the adoption of critical race theory as a cornerstone of the history curriculum.

She adopted an unusual position that free speech is a weapon of war.

There was much more from extreme lockdown positions and manipulation and control of the media. She may well have been a spectator to the true driving forces in her party.
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January 20, 2023 10:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Lots of news clip videos with people saying how many wonderful things Jaspinda did.
Wonder if someone could make a list?

Also wonder how things are The Strandard.
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January 20, 2023 10:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  God that Strandard is revolting. [Mod – deleted, no need for that sort of crap ]
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:48am
  - MCōs
    
    Your views are pretty revolting quite a bit of the time, but when you spend all day in front of the keyboard you probably lose a bit of perspective.
    
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    January 20, 2023 3:37pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Uptick MCos.
      Nice to be retired, although I would like to work part time.
      Hot outside, but nice with the AC on and cold Stellas.
      Did some tyre changing on Daughter’s car this morning. Started up the outboard to just check everything. I have a Suzuki kit that connects the motor to a laptop.
      BBQ and spa in a few hours. This is why I am not on Kiwiblog after about 6 or 7.
      
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      January 20, 2023 4:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fair enough Mod.
    
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    January 20, 2023 4:48pm
Surely Knott

Foreign influence on our schools curriculum? (Apologies – long thread.)

Newshub reports: “EDUCATION
Calls for urgent change to school curriculums to teach students how to identify conspiracy theories, fake news”

” Tohatoha has been teaching students and librarians to spot both (dis and misinformation) and question what they see online.”

“Tohatoa’s CEO Mandy Henk said people need to analyse content when they see it.

“Who is behind the information, what is the evidence, and then what do others say.”

The not-for-profit organisation uses education to combat the spread of misinformation around COVID-19.”

All good questions so who is behind TohaToha and Mandy Henk and the “truth ” they are spreading to our children.

Newshub says “Tohatoha received funding during the pandemic. It runs 10-week programmes with 24 schools per term, but its funding is set to run out.”

But what Newshub leaves out is the Disinformation Programme is funded by the US Embassy. Tohatoha’s accounts show they received $75k from the US embassy.

The US Embassy tweets “It’s ‘A Bit Sus’ eh? We’re proud to support an addition to this awesome @TohatohaNZ program which provides young people w/ the tools to identify #disinformation & #misinformation through fun & interactive escape room challenges.”

Tohatoha’s website says: The programme comes from the University of Washington. “Chris Coward, Senior Principal Research Scientist at University of Washington and project lead for the escape room, says the activity was designed to have participants personally experience various misinformation tactics and so realise their own vulnerabilities.”

In other articles Chris Coward says, ” At a recent talk I asked my audience to raise their hands if they had a family member or close friend who believes that Covid-19 vaccines are unsafe, that the U.S. presidential election was stolen, or holds some other conviction that runs counter to all known evidence. I then asked the full room of raised hands how many of them were able to change those people’s minds by presenting them with facts and logical reasons?”

Chris reckons ALL EVIDENCE show the vaccines are safe and that the election was not stolen. Obviously there were safety issues with the vaccine. His statements lack balance. And the last election their was censorship of key election material which potentially influenced the election.

But it is a bit concerning that foreign embassies are funding “information” courses in our schools.

Second, who is Mandy Henk. She is CEO of ToaToa and also writes articles for the Herald , spinoff, and Newshub. She is quoted as a disinformation spokesperson and comments on our elections and protests.. She makes public submissions on behalf of Toatoa about internet safety, and copyright laws. The Spinoffsays “Mandy Henk is Tohatoha CEO. She is a librarian, writer, and advocate for a healthy and vibrant Commons”

But Spinoff leaves out the key info. A librarian for where?

She is a libararian of Indiana’s Te Pauw university. And she is still current on their staff page. She is most famous and awarded as the “Founding member of the Occupy Wall street Library ” and being arrested at the US Pipeline protests.

So it’s just interesting that a prominent US protest organiser and the US embassy are now delivering disinformation courses in our schools.

And the media aren’t really being transparent about that. Which other countries are allowed to deliver media training to NZ school kids.

https://www.depauw.edu/academics/departments-programs/womens-studies/mandy-henk/

https://www.tohatoha.org.nz/profile/mandy-henk/

https://media-and-learning.eu/type/featured-articles/escape-rooms-a-new-format-for-fighting-disinformation/

file:///C:/Users/64211/Downloads/2022_Toha_1_1_Final_Signed_Perf_Rpt_&_Audit_Report001 (2).pdf
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January 20, 2023 10:56am
Dodger

Has Sir Cullen’s Sidekick offered any comments yet?
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January 20, 2023 11:01am
mogg

From the spectator on Jacinda;
Why Jacinda quit
By David Cohen

Jacinda Ardern has announced she is stepping down as the prime minister of New Zealand, saying it would be ‘doing a disservice’ to continue in the position she has held over the past five years.

‘I know when I have enough left in the tank to do it justice,’ she said during a hastily arranged press conference. Her fellow MPs will have to scramble over the coming days to find a successor. Most of them must also be steeling themselves for an electoral loss that was increasingly possible at this year’s general election in October, but which now seems rather more firmly on the cards.

How different it all looked in the South Seas just 12 months ago. Ardern appeared all but sure of comfortably nabbing a third three-year parliamentary term for Labour. Gone were the memories of her party languishing in opposition for the better part of a decade before she propelled it on a winning path in 2017.

Ardern’s initial electoral success owed as much to the mathematical vagaries of the country’s oddball electoral model as it did to the new leader’s energetic campaigning. Still, there was no doubting the popular mandate she secured at the next election.

In 2020, on the back of what was widely seen to be her masterful handling of the pandemic, Labour not only trounced its conservative National party rivals but mustered an outright majority of votes. It was an unheard-of achievement under New Zealand’s mixed-member proportional representation system, which typically requires fiddly coalition deals.

Even after it became clear the zero-Covid jig was up, Ardern’s government persisted, shuttering much business activity while offering little succour to the million New Zealanders who remained stranded abroad. In recent months, the impact of such a policy has been noticeable. By pretty much any economic measure today, save the country’s historically low unemployment rate, New Zealand is in worse shape than it was five years ago.

A sustained property boom, in which housing became largely unaffordable for first-time buyers, has given way to a widespread property bust, in which many homeowners now find themselves in negative equity and unable to sell. During the bust, as with the boom, the perception has been of a government nonplussed and unable to move much beyond the old script of ‘kindness’ and fuzzy promises of a brighter day yet to come.

National debt levels are also high. A deep recession beckons. And many of the country’s now uncharacteristically shabby major cities are currently roiled by an unprecedented crime wave, particularly in the retail sector where vehicular ram-raids and violence against storekeepers have become depressingly commonplace.

Rumbling in the recent background has been a series of dismal political polls indicating likely electoral victory for the National party this year. Labour has three days to find a replacement for Ardern. The outgoing leader’s most obvious successor, Grant Robertson, has ruled himself out of the running. Whoever’s lucky enough – or unlucky enough as the case may be – to make the final cut, he or she will be a virtual unknown abroad and not terribly more prominent within New Zealand. Talk about an empty tank.
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January 20, 2023 11:01am
Hugh Jarse

The next few days will be interesting as the true story starts to come out. It’s too early at the moment to get anything other than the spin the labour media team are feeding to the media and they are swallowing. But come out it will and it’s sounds very much like a stand-off with the Maori caucus. Nanaia and Willie probably have no option other than to call an early election before they self destruct, otherwise Labour will completely dissolve into its different factions. Shame
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January 20, 2023 11:04am
Maggie Pie

All these idiots calling talkback speculating that one of the reasons Jacinda resigned….. “was to have another baby”

The woman is 43 YEARS OLD for God’s sake!!

I called it quits after 17.

Just saying.
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January 20, 2023 11:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But wasn’t Jacinda meant to be the poster girl for how political mums can have it all?
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:24am
- cmm
  
  She’s want a bit more meat on the bones if she wants to make a healthy baby.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That’s just a myth….always has been.
    
    I stopped for a tall handsome guy in Parnell yesterday walking hand-in-hand with a short fat girl on the pedestrian crossing. Just doesn’t look right.
    
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    January 20, 2023 12:00pm
    - Jimmy Brown
      
      I’ll tell her you said that…
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:02pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Was that you staring? 😎
        
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        January 20, 2023 1:01pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, are you absolutely certain of their respective genders?
      
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      January 20, 2023 12:39pm
    - marcw
      
      Maybe she is the lucky Lotto winner from Wednesday, and she can’t believe how she keeps getting luckier.
      
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      January 20, 2023 1:14pm
- Scooter
  
  I hope you don’t mean 17 kids, Maggie.
  
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  January 21, 2023 8:01am
Prince

State Media (Stuff/RNZ/TVNZ etc) are in full hegiography mode about Ardern
Little mention of her many failings, the sinking polls (and personal popularity), the failing economy, housing, poverty, current covid deaths, refusal to meet demonstrators etc etc. Opinion writers have cast aside any pretence at objectivity.
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January 20, 2023 11:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/one-couldnt-have-met-a-nicer-guy-but-brainwashing-is-no-respecter-of-persons/#comment-866
How many more ‘Stu’s’ are out there being brainwashed. To groom the population of New Zealand. For what? To soften them up for tribal takeover.

The email is an eye opener.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Northland-sport-email.pdf
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January 20, 2023 11:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  Stu is not brainwashed.
  
  They are empowered to act like this by the institutional elite in NZ. It will slow down but not stop under Luxon and accelerate like a scud missile under the left dream team of Kiri Allan and Chloe Swarbrick in 2029.
  
  That is why our children and grand children will likely grow up and live in Australia.
  
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  January 20, 2023 11:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry, Stu is brainwashed. He was sold a lemon. Agreed and paid out. I am waiting for Stu’s reply on stop Co-governance. If he does not explain, then he is a runner.
    I really hope Stu Middleton responds to the stop co-governance Blog.
    
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    January 20, 2023 4:58pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The phrase ‘true history’ is one of my favorite oxymorons. It’s almost as nonsensical as ‘true religion’.
  
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  January 20, 2023 3:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nice to have VPNs Mike?
    
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    January 20, 2023 5:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Have you been to the stop co-governance blog Mike?
    Please do. There is a list to search through. I wish you would have a look Mike.
    Notice the disclaimer to stop the septic ones falling off the rails.
    
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    January 20, 2023 5:32pm
I remember when

So Te Pati Maori want the Labour Government to ‘break the glass ceiling’ and appoint a Maori leader.

The rest of us just want them to govern the country not be distracted by the feel good.
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January 20, 2023 11:21am
Keith White

Yesterday I ran afoul of a mod (unintentionally, but still I did) by raising a parallel between a recent resigned person and a particularly notorious doctor from the 40s who experimented on unwilling patients.

Since that analogy is clearly out of bounds, I’d like to present another, because I think we have all been the victims of a very serious and unfortunate experiment with the mandated vaccination in the last couple of years.

Those old enough will remember the “Unfortunate Experiment at National Women’s Hospital” and the sequela including the public enquiry in 1987. The findings of Judge Sylvia Cartwright were that “an unethical experiment had been carried out on large numbers of women for over 20 years”.

It’s not my intention here within the constraints of space, to revisit that episode. It is my intention here to point out the utterly complete hypocrisy of all the people who (correctly in principle) objected to those patients not being asked to give informed consent for an experimental approach to a particular medical problem, now being completely silent about the vaxjab. With damage now on a literally countrywide scale.

And now for something completely different. There’s been no publicity in New Zealand that I can find, about an incredibly drastic revision of fitness to fly guidelines for commercial pilots. The FAA did, if you’ll pardon the pun, just slide under the radar the way they have retrospectively and unilaterally changed cardiac guidelines for pilots’ health.

Specifically, in the October 2022 version of the FAA Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners, the FAA widened the EKG parameters beyond the normal range (from a PR max of .2) to — unlimited. That’s right, no limit.

Now I’m not an electrophysiologist, but it seems to me there is only one reason they can possibly explain widening this parameter; if they stuck with the previous parameter, that have to ground too many pilots because of damage to their heart. Gosh, what could possibly have caused damage to these pilots hearts? / sarc.

I have attempted to find out what has happened here in New Zealand but to no avail. No one will talk, if indeed the question has even been asked, about myocarditis and pilots.

Truly, the Covid jab is the Gom Jabbar of the House of Labour (classical ‘Dune’ reference).
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January 20, 2023 11:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  Are you an Air New Zealand shareholder? If so you could try submitting a shareholder inquiry to the board and/or for the AGM.
  
  With the FAA having widened EKG parameters in the US (I had understood to a PR max of 0.3) there is no doubt in my mind that this was to stave off a unprecedented loss of pilots due to failed cardiac assessments.
  
  Given Air New Zealand’s no jabs no job policy, the collective health of our pilots will no different to that of US-based pilots, as I would be VERY surprised of Air New Zealand hasn’t similarly lowered the cardiac-health bar.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:57pm
  - Keith White
    
    kk: That’s a good idea. I’m not a shareholder but I will try to find friends who are. This type of development ought to be made public because it speaks to the risks that we were forced to take by all the people – far too many of them clinicians, medical politicians and other oathbound adherents of my former NZ profession – who thought they alone knew best and drove a truck through informed consent, bodily autonomy, herd immunity, the Nuremberg code and the Geneva Convention.
    
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    January 20, 2023 3:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Does CAA here automatically adopt FAA guidance?
  
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  January 20, 2023 3:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not sure about adopting. When I last went to Alaska, I had to register my drone for using it before going into Hawaii. Rego number and you must put the code number somewhere in the drone battery containment.
    Drone and batteries are better than in tho hold
    
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    January 20, 2023 5:57pm
  - Keith White
    
    If you fly into US airspace you better abide by FAA rules. The FAA itself sez “Due to mandates, the FAA globally conducts certain functions for safety in and outside of the United States, such as performing air traffic control handoffs and assessing whether a foreign civil aviation authority complies with international aviation standards.”
    
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    January 20, 2023 6:49pm
Taieri

I see Kiri Allan being referred to by Bryce Edwards in his assessment of prime ministerial contenders as a “young woman”. I do not question her competence, of which I know nothing, but as she’s somewhere around 39 years of age, does it really make her a young woman? When does one become “middle age” then? Or old for that matter?…
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January 20, 2023 12:00pm
- mogg
  
  I remember at one point Helen Clark was being called a ‘fashion model’
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:23pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I doubt that, but I’m not going to google Helen Clark + fashion model to check. I do recall people losing it because she wore trousers to a state dinner for the queen.
    
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    January 20, 2023 3:46pm
    - rockape
      
      Don’t forget her at the World of Wearable Art, I still have nightmares.
      
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      January 20, 2023 4:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh c’mon…she looked pretty good
        
        https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/114490015500729162/
        
        (Besides, my swimming buddy designed the costume)
        
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        January 20, 2023 5:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    “Helen Clark does not live like a politician,” wrote Brunei’s Express. “Her features remind us of a fashion model.
    
    “She has a beautiful face and warm smile for her advantage. But for her, politics is not a show business. A lover of music and art, Helen is the only fair touch of the Apec gallery of leaders.”
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/model-pm-clark/5CAZHWDNZD7EOCUQPLFFMVH3Z4/
    
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    January 20, 2023 4:23pm
    - Mike
      
      Gold!
      
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      January 20, 2023 4:56pm
    - Swifty
      
      Old Pete will have been straining at the bit that night!
      
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      January 20, 2023 5:33pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Brunei Express. Possibly some self censorship going on there. Or the driest wit this side of the black stump.
      
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      January 20, 2023 9:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Be fair, Edwards is nearly 80 – anyone under 50 probably seems young to him.
  
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  January 20, 2023 3:44pm
  - Swifty
    
    Bryce not Brian.
    
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    January 20, 2023 5:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oma rapeti oma rapeti oma oma oma.

She took the easy way out. No thermonuclear meltdown.
I feel let down.
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January 20, 2023 12:10pm
Nickc2

Cindy makes a hit in the US of A!
Democrat Darling Jacinda Ardern Leaves Legacy of Cruelty, and Tyranny in New Zealand
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2023/01/19/martel-democrat-darling-jacinda-ardern-leaves-legacy-of-cruelty-tyranny-in-new-zealand/
Is the NZSIS going to check Cindy’s residences for Classified Docs? Doubt it, she hasn’t got a Chevvy eh.
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January 20, 2023 12:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Think it might be like Walter Nash’s garage?
  
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  January 20, 2023 3:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

uh oh..

What do the Russians have against Clarke Gayford?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482793/russia-sanctions-clarke-gayford-media-executives-over-propaganda
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January 20, 2023 12:39pm
Harry Knuts

Sad day for Aotearoa!
Great day for New Zealand!!!!!!!!!!!
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January 20, 2023 12:39pm
Hugh Jarse

The self serving whining from our elite celebrities, academia and media about threats, and misogyny being the reason the PM resigned is a great indicator of how far removed they are from the ordinary New Zealand, who still exists by the way outside Wellington.

They cannot possibly conceive that her and their “progressive” policies are not welcomed by all. They have no idea how this governments policies are impacting on the average Joe and Josephine and therefore they look for excuses which the Labour media unit and the media have given them as a deflection from the real reasons. I am sure there have been threats but that unfortunately is what comes from being the PM, most will be from deranged blowhards and not credible and she is well protected by experienced security personnel.

I dare say the PM’s of Great Britain, Australia and Canada and the President of the USA have more serious and credible threats on their lives but manage to keep working.
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January 20, 2023 12:50pm
- Swifty
  
  But not a peep from them about the years of abuse towards Key.
  
  We all remember it went on for years and years, about him being the bagman for foreign interests, only in power to deliver results for Wall Street – uncaring, evil, shonkey, donkey etc etc ad infinitum.
  
  I never once heard or saw a concerted effort from the left in NZ to call for calm heads, to turn down the vitriol. Not once.
  
  But now they all act in unison.
  
  It seems that within the next year we will again have a National PM, indeed a Christian, white, middle-aged man with a business background.
  
  I wonder what the levels of derangement we’ll see and hear from the NZ left when this happens?
  
  I wonder what level of vitriol, bile, hatred and personal attacks we’ll see?
  
  And, I wonder if we’ll see the same lefty elites and commentators calling for their mates to back off?
  
  I doubt it.
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:49pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Key also had to contend with that creepy NZ rap song about his daughter being raped too……..
    
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    January 20, 2023 2:10pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I can’t ever recall and ‘concerted effort’ from any group of celebrities, academia, media or whomever to be nice to perceived political opponents.
    Quotes we never read:
    Winson Churchill: “People should give Gandhi a break”
    JFK: “I wish people would say nicer things about Mao and Khruschev.”
    Norm Kirk: “I don’t know why they call him ‘Piggy’ – Rob’s a really nice guy.
    Etc, etc.
    People identify with tribes like political parties or sports team. Your chosen team is pure, the opponents are snakes. As Rob did say “It’s our lot against the other lot”
    
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    January 20, 2023 3:54pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Escaping them of course is the FACT that none of the policies that are disliked by the great unwashed were ever promoted, propogated or policy in their 2020 election manifesto.
  Duped we have been and New Zealanders do not like being made to look like fools.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Did you read that manifesto?
    Re health, for example, possibly the largest scale reform under way:
    
    Labour will undertake a long-term programme of reform to build a stronger health and disability system that delivers for all, drawing on the recommendations of the Health and Disability System Review.
    
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    January 20, 2023 3:40pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you smirk 😛

CNN’s Richard Quest has described Jacinda as a…. “Global rock star, the youngest Prime Minister who got to have a baby in office and speaks the language of modern woman”

(This coming from someone who was arrested in NY Central Park for drug possession, after being found with a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals and a sex-toy in his boots.)

High praise indeed. LOL!!
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January 20, 2023 12:55pm
- Colville
  
  (This coming from someone who was arrested in NY Central Park for drug possession, after being found with a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals and a sex-toy in his boots.)
  
  Wow, I usually just opt for a colourful shirt (and jeans!!) when going out to party… maybe I should try harder?
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:20pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The headline read…..
    
    CNN’s QUEST A VERY ‘KNOTTY’ BOY.
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    January 20, 2023 1:54pm
  - Swifty
    
    Please get with the times Colville.
    
    😂
    
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    January 20, 2023 2:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Richard Quest understands word soup waffle?
  From a stoner?
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:49pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  He’s probably on her payroll LOL 🙂
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:11pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Central Park Dick Quest… Nominative Determinism at it’s finest.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I was listening to the special News items following midday report on RNZ.
The interview was about the abuse ex-Green MP Sue Bradford had and still receives.
The interview was quickly closed down as soon as Sue mentioned that amongst her abusers were Labour Party folk.

(I’ll try and locate a copy of the interview later in the day… it’s not up on the RNZ site yet).
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January 20, 2023 12:59pm
- NothingLeft
  
  As Monty Python so brilliantly lampooned 40 years ago, left wing internecine animosity and tribalism is evergreen insanity.
  
  “Judean Peoples’ Front? Fuck off, we’re the Peoples’ Front of Judea! The only people we hate more than the Romans, is the Judean Peoples’ Front.”
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s the clip …listen from 3:16 (near the end)
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/middayreport/audio/2018874432/former-politician-on-vile-abuse-and-vitriol
  
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  January 20, 2023 4:11pm
Yvette

Supreme Court Poised to Reconsider Key Tenets of Online Speech
The cases could significantly affect the power and responsibilities of social media platforms.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/19/technology/supreme-court-online-free-speech-social-media.html?

Subscriber content, but a lengthy article that nowhere mentions CHRISTCHURCH CALL
burp … burp … Sorry, you have reached an unlisted number …
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January 20, 2023 1:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  NZ media and some of the politicos like to pretend our PMs are influential internationally. They’re not. The last NZ PM to have anything near international heft was Peter Fraser.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:14pm
Maggie Pie

[Mod – thanks for the laugh, but no. Now go sit in the naughty corner and write out 1000 times, “Maggie must not write posts that will cause the moderators headache’s”]
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January 20, 2023 1:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nice bait!
  
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  January 20, 2023 1:51pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I hope Maggie Pie is having a very nice Friday afternoon.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:32pm
Swifty

The best, most clear-eyed assessment of Ardern you’ll read today or indeed any time soon:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11655625/The-BBC-treated-resignation-PM-tragedy-Jacinda-Ardern-way-out.html
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January 20, 2023 2:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Typical Daily Mail bullshit,.
  sample:
  
  ‘Jacindamania’ began to trend. By election day, the contest was all but over.
  
  Nonsense. Labour’s polling revived, but only to the point where Winston Peters gained the power to choose, and his choice was surprising, given the far better options he had with national.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:26pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    true, but a reasonable short cut for UK readers who won’t care that all of Labour’s 2017 election gains were pick up from Green’s self-immolation as they collectively backed a confessed benefit fraudster and defenestrated moral objectors. Election Jacindamania was largely an invented media myth.
    
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    January 20, 2023 2:51pm
Sparrow

Today is a sad day. Not whether you are joyous or sad about the Prime Minister resigning but how divided this country is. Yes we have had our differences and having lived through the Piggy era but nothing like today. It was fun taking on Piggy and his supporters but there was no malice like today. The vitriol from both sides of the political spectrum is frankly frightening. Has social media, blogs created this I don’t know. Flicking through the comments on mainstream media and in sites like this is worrying. A long time Labour supporter although not of this government or its leader its not the country I came to in 1970. Yes maybe I am living in the past and NZ and the world have moved on. Another old dinosaur looking at the past in rose tinted glasses.
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January 20, 2023 2:05pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Re divisiveness – I think modern social media does have an outsize role in exacerbating divisions. Although there have always been very bitter social, economic and political divisions, it is much easier now to connect with media narratives that feed intense emotional reactions.
  Re living in the past – I think people have always looked back to the good old days. The pace of change may have accelerated though, but perhaps there will always be a tendency to decry the changes that one disapproves, while thinking the changes one likes would have happened anyway.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:22pm
  - Sparrow
    
    Hi Mike. I must ask this question. You have recieved 12 downticks for a very uncontroversial comment. Do people do this because you are who you are never mind your comment. ? I take it you are this blogs sacrificial lamb. Intrigued !!
    
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    January 20, 2023 7:29pm
    - Sol Invictus
      
      I made the same comment a couple of weeks ago. Why the downticks for perfectly reasonable comments?
      
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      January 20, 2023 8:15pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It is impossible to tell why people use downticks. I don’t court popularity here. I’m a contrarian and I enjoy teasing other commenters. Sometimes I feel like adding context, additional information or making a serious point.
      
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      January 21, 2023 7:03am
- Ghost
  
  Divided? Sorry but if you want to look at what has divided this country look no further than labour as a government, and the left supporters with their vile attacks on John Key and his family.
  
  Divided, tell that to the current government that is pushing separatist policies and openly pushed hate to a section of society that did not support them.
  
  What you claim you are seeing today most have been seeing from the left for a very long time now, but the vileness that the left have vomited on to people they seem to think is righteous unless it is mirrored back at them
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:25pm
- Inandout
  
  Sparrow, 1981 saw this country divided like never before. Families split down the middle over whether SA should tour and liquor outlets targetted because they sold SA wine. Gangs running wild for ‘the cause’ and general lawlessness. Covid days were similar but not quite as bitter.
  
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  January 20, 2023 5:24pm
  - Sparrow
    
    Yes you are right. Forgot about that. Split familes.
    
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    January 20, 2023 5:32pm
Maggie Pie

YIP…..absooolutely SAVAGE!!

https://twitter.com/Apoctoz/status/1616099568902348800
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January 20, 2023 2:32pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Love it.
  
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  January 20, 2023 2:37pm
CAKE FACE1

Here a few quotes about a famous political leader. Can you guess who it is?

“She seemed kindly. She did not speak very much. She just smiled and smiled… And her words were light, not strong. In general, you would estimate that xxx was a kindly person, simple, with a mass view.”

“She had never been noted for intellectual brilliance. But what about her powers of persuasion? Which many were to comment on later? That infectious smile and her charisma with small groups?”

“What do we know about her, except that she smiles? Oh, that smile of hers!”

One final clue – she wanted to create a classless society where there were no rich people, no poor people, and no exploitation.

Okay, I tricked you. I changed the gender in the quotes above.

The beatific smiler, kindly and simple, was Saloth Sâr – later known as Pol Pot. He was one of the worst monsters in history.

Although 20 – 25% of the population in Cambodia died during Pol Pot’s reign, some historians argue that this was not a genocide. By driving millions of people from the cities overnight into the fields, it was almost inevitable that millions of people would starve, but many historians don’t believe that mass starvation was Pol Pot’s intention. He sabotaged the economy and society, but he did this through his ignorance and ideology, rather than his malice, it is claimed.

How does Cindy compare to the communist beatific smiler Pol Pot?

Well, Ms Ardern didn’t send all the city dwellers into the fields to starve (although if she suggested it, the Cindy cult who support her would probably go).

However, Cindy’s intent was almost identical to Pol Pot’s aims for Year Zero.

Everyone would be equal in a society where all things were the possession of the State, and no individual owned anything. “Zero for him, zero for you – that is communism”, as Pol Pot advocated.

We can argue about whether Cindy’s decisions were driven by malice, or ideology. Irrespectively, the legacy is the same.

Cindy has vandalised New Zealand’s economy and society, very badly. It may take decades to recover.

So long, Cindy. I won’t miss you.
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January 20, 2023 2:58pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ardern was just like Pol Pot?
  Are you sure that comparison is not too benign?
  
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  January 20, 2023 3:15pm
Yabster

Taxpayers union poll on scoop

complete with commentary from David.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2301/S00042/new-poll-pms-favourability-goes-negative-while-labour-hits-a-record-low.htm
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January 20, 2023 2:58pm
ClanMcleod

Ayesha Verrall tweeted a nauseating tribute to Brenda. The first comment was almost as awful, I was going to bail out, but every comment after that one was gold. Worth a look.

https://twitter.com/drayeshaverrall/status/1615868145251782658?
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January 20, 2023 2:59pm
Maggie Pie

See where the IRD has written to about 80,000 beneficiaries who it believes wrongly received a ‘Cost of Living Payment’ from the gubmint, telling them how they can repay the hand-out.

Wonder how many will take up the suggestion or what the cost of recovery will be?

SHEESH!!
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January 20, 2023 3:23pm
david

Two thoughts:
I cannot recall JA participating in any honest discussion or debate on any subject during her terms as PM. I can recall publicity stunt kindy and school visits and pomp laden overseas trips that as far as I am aware resulted in no notable achievements. I shall not miss her for a moment.
On Hipkins, often described as “a safe pair of hands” and “Mr Fixit”. What has he achieved? As far as I recall, he has shut down a number of embarrassing situations and negative publicity has dried up as a result. What has he actually fixed? the list remains blank but I would welcome suggestions.
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January 20, 2023 3:47pm
CAKE FACE1

For some reason, I can’t get the LOTR out of my mind.

“In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, one Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them;
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.”

The One Ring in the LOTR resulted in corruption to evil. Is it really possible that one ring, or one person perhaps, could corrupt us all towards evil?

Yes, I think so.

At the end of the third movie, the evil ring falls into the lava in Mount Doom, destroying it.

As Frodo and Sam watched the evil ring melting, how would they feel, as the shadow over the world lifted?

Yesterday, CAKE found out. A shadow, or great evil, lifted from the world.

The air today seems cleaner, the Sun brighter, the world a better place.

I can’t put my finger on what has changed so much over the past day or so…
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January 20, 2023 4:40pm
- Mike
  
  You perhaps did not read LOTR very closely.
  
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  January 20, 2023 7:38pm
greybeard

I see that STUFF is currently inundated with all sorts of articles about Jacinda Ardern. Predictable I suppose.
But their best article is one about a 2.7kg cane toad found in Queensland.
Actually, I got more satisfaction from the cane toad item than the zillions about Ardern. There must be a moral of some sort there somewhere…..
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