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peterwn

So travel insurers are saying that custiomers should take up claims for lost bags with airlines directly. I thought the whole idea of travel insurance is the insurance company would compensate the customer then handle a claim on behalf of a customer. The insurer has the ex[erience and clout when dealing with the responsible airline etc. It is far too easy for the ordinary customer to be give the runaround. It is rather like a car insurer saying that the customer should deal directly with the other driver if the prang was the other driver’s fault.
I view travel insurance as having no more value than buying a ‘good luck charm’ off Gladstone Gander (the lucky goose in Donald Duck comics). Also it merely subsidises fraudsters who make inflated claims.
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January 17, 2023 8:01am
- Paulus
  
  Generally Insurances covers Acidental Loss or Damage – neither apply here as the bags have been neither lost or damaged.
  They will be found sooner rather than later just delayed.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:19am
  - rouppe
    
    Not true. The contract is between the insurer and the traveller, not the airline.
    
    If they arrive at their destination but their bag does not, then it is perfectly reasonable for the insured (the traveller) to say to the insurer that the bag has been lost.
    
    The insurer position is the same as saying “take it up with the council” if you drop your phone while walking on the street.
    
    I’ll not stand for my insurer trying that on with me. I’ll soon find out since at the end of this month I am going on a dirt bike tour through Laos and Vietnam. If my bag of riding gear doesn’t turn up in Vientiane, I fully expect the insurer to pay for replacement stuff so I can go on the ride.
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Not sure about that. Lost bags are usually found and if they are not, airlines provide compensation.
  
  Several years ago, a colleague was in the USA on business. He decided to go mountain biking on a weekend. Broke his neck. He eventually recovered. Insurance covered all his hospital treatment and his transport back to New Zealand. I would not travel without travel insurance.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Insurance is a necessary evil. Going to Hawaii and Alaska, I would never be without it.
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:12am
  - rouppe
    
    The airline compensation for luggage is appalling. It in no way covers the actual loss.
    
    I am going on a dirt bike riding trip soon in SE Asia. In my bag is helmet, MX boots, riding pants, body armour, knee armour… If the bag doesn’t arrive before the trip starts (2 days grace) I have to buy replacements, at least helmet and boots otherwise the tour leader won’t let me start.
    
    That’s what the insurance is for
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:30am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Reading your comment I was reminded of this;
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRxAZLV6vgU
      Heh
      
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      January 17, 2023 10:43am
    - Colville
      
      rouppe.
      So carry it all onto the plane, wear it if necessary.
      You can change out of it on the plane.
      
      When I used to go on international dive trips I never let my computer/regs/mask out of my sight.
      I can buy undies and tee shirts, but the dive gear is very personal.
      
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      January 17, 2023 11:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, our bag’s went missing travelling to the states, they turned up a couple of days later, courier dropped them off, but no charge for us
    
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    January 17, 2023 12:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s been a cultural shift in the generations if you need to explain who Gladstone Gander is….
  Fortunately he has a long Wikipedia entry.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladstone_Gander
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:45am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Not taking travel insurance is your choice, obviously, but for me its a no brainer. Ive only ever had to use it once, but boy did I need it.
  
  Living in London, off to the US to run in the NY marathon. Post race, walking to hotel, got accidently pushed off my feet (and of course, post run, not much mobility) and fractured my pelvis.
  
  The costs in the US were horrific, and I took the option of repatriation as well – private jet across the pond. Hate to think what it would have cost me without insurance.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:20am
- pdm
  
  peter – our experiences with travel insurance claims, usually medical consultations or for lost items, have been excellent over the years..
  
  In saying that we have not had a claim for over 12 years, despite travelling 3 or 4 times overseas in that period.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:24am
- Deane Jessep
  
  Coincidentally read this, this morning:
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/482469/delays-and-lost-luggage-have-nothing-on-british-airways-pilot-sucked-from-the-windscreen
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:57am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hell’s teeth! Gotta be a pilot’s worst nightmare to find yourself half sucked out of the plane window with only your crew mates holding on for grim death.
    
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    January 17, 2023 8:00pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Warsaw and Montreal conventions govern lost luggage. Considered lost after 3 weeks, but caps liability to $1-2000. Travel insurance needed if you want high valued items covered.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:41am
- Scooter
  
  Wrong, airlines are responsible for lost luggage. International Baggage Liability
  
  For most INTERNATIONAL flights, a treaty called the Montreal Convention applies to the carriage of baggage. The maximum baggage liability for flights covered by the Montreal Convention is currently 1,288 Special Drawing Rights (approximately $1,700.00 US) per passenger. This is the most that airlines must pay a passenger for a lost, damaged, or delayed bag. Airlines are free to pay more than the limit, but are not required to do so.
  
  The Montreal Convention’s international baggage liability limit is reviewed for inflationary adjustment every five years by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).
  
  In the few situations when the Montreal Convention does not apply to travel to and from the United States, an older treaty called the “Warsaw Convention” may apply
  
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  January 17, 2023 12:44pm
- Humai
  
  I’m about to find out how this works. After 30 years of travel and scores of return trips with no problems with luggage, I’m in the USA on a ski trip with all my ski gear lost somewhere in the ether.
  
  We’ve got travel insurance. We’ll see how we go.
  
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  January 17, 2023 3:26pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Shrinkflation strikes again. Corporations snipping bits off their products a little bit at a time.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:15pm
krazykiwi

Which is the hardest for you to say?

1. I love you.
2. I was wrong, I’m sorry.
3. I need help.
4. Worcestershire sauce.
5. I appreciate you.
6. My conspiracy theorist friend was right.
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January 17, 2023 8:01am
- Its only I
  
  #4 war-sha-shire sauce
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:00am
  - NothingLeft
    
    wu·stuh·shuh
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:44am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Woostersher. New Road Cricket ground, river Severn, Worcester Cathedral. Glenn Turner punishing county bowlers. Beautiful, beautiful cricket ground.
    
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    January 17, 2023 2:43pm
- Observer of Life
  
  KK: 😆👍
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:15am
- Lance
  
  Ahhh
  So we didn’t land on the moon and explosives were built into the twin tower so decades later it could be part of a vast plot?
  You’re onto it KK
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Refer here.
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:56am
- NZer In Exile
  
  worst er shire
  
  or
  
  the slightly more posh version:
  
  wussed eh shire
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:44pm
Maggie Pie

Today is the birthday of the inventor of the Vacuum Cleaner….J. Edgar Vacuum.
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January 17, 2023 8:01am
- krazykiwi
  
  That sucks.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:03am
  - plc
    
    So apparently did Hoover
    
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    January 17, 2023 8:18am
    - Inandout
      
      A lot of people still say ‘Hoover the house’.
      
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      January 17, 2023 8:40am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes my partner says hoover the house. First time she said it I’m thinking WTF is the cultural lesson I’m going to have today?
        
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        January 17, 2023 8:45am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Does anyone electrolux the house?
        
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        January 17, 2023 8:48am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I recall one of those compilations of TV ads translated from another language to English. “Nothing sucks like an Electrolux” was one such translation.
        
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        January 17, 2023 8:54am
      - Flossie
        
        Maggy my old aunty used to “do her luxing” on a daily basis
        
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        January 17, 2023 8:55am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My Sister says “got to do the luxing”
        
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        January 17, 2023 9:16am
      - plc
        
        Whoooooosh
        
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        January 17, 2023 10:56am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Dysoning?
        
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        January 17, 2023 11:10am
      - Observer of Life
        
        MagW: My old Mum used to “lux” the house.
        
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        January 17, 2023 5:48pm
- Phil
  
  How very Groucho of you.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:19am
- Jack5
  
  Oh dear! You’ve scooped 🛌Milky.
  
  But on this day in 1773, Captain Cook was the first non-Maori to cross the Antarctic circle (66deg 33).
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:26am
  - Ghost
    
    Have history books not been rewritten yet to claim captain Hemi Cook was Māori?
    
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    January 17, 2023 8:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      After the ‘Coup’
      
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      January 17, 2023 9:18am
  - G152
    
    Polynesians were the original explorers and settlers of the Pacific.
    Maori are the end of one colonising event
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:42am
- Ghost
  
  Damn. I’m just having a look at the first vacuum cleaner.
  
  https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects-and-stories/everyday-wonders/invention-vacuum-cleaner
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:56am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Didn’t one of our prominent politicians have the nickname ‘Dyson’ at university…?
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:10am
  - rockape
    
    She. Sucked if your talking Ruth Dyson!
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:22am
- Observer of Life
  
  MP: 😆👍
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:17am
Tomtoddy

The Herald launched its election campaign today. Simon Wilson opened the batting. It was a shade subtle but quite clear as to where they are heading and who they want to see occupying the Government benches. Apparently, it is a choice between the “best” government yet or the “worst”. Ardern, heavily propped up by a strong Green party helping her achieve all that Labour believes in is being touted. They know the electorate will not buy into Labour promising to suddenly find a way to deliver and becoming competent after years of total inadequacy but throwing a much larger Green party into the mix and “WOW” – the ‘best” government yet is possible.

For those who think Labour is stuffed and the Nats will roar home just pause and consider that it is Labour, Greens and MSM teaming up to campaign and the majority of voters do not read Kiwiblog. When you invest $55 million you expect a dividend.
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January 17, 2023 8:02am
- Frank the tank
  
  Wilson is wrong – if it is the left it will be Labour + Greens + Maori Party. It will definitely be the worse government even in the history of this country.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:07am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Wilson’s ramblings are always hit pieces on the opposition. Has he ever criticised the current government?
    
    MSM, already bought and paid for, will certainly be a major player and influencer for an election campaign that has already started.
    
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    January 17, 2023 8:45am
  - Caine9
    
    Wilson is usually wrong.
    The arrogant Left usually are.
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:05am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Labour Greens Maori Party”
    
    If that happens the country will implode due to the massive rush out of the country of human and financial capital.
    
    The idiots then in charge will have to go cap in hand to some scumbag regime for money.
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:21pm
- Matt Long
  
  The other key ingredients are mail in votes and Dominion voting machines 😉
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:22am
  - Deane Jessep
    
    And well over half of Central Government employees + newly bloated unions. I wonder how much of this salary the person is expected to tithe/launder back to labour.
    https://www.seek.co.nz/job/59548816
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:07am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  None of us know what people think Tomtoddy. It may well be that Labour believes the dust will settle and it has positives on its side such as tourists here again and overseas students’ keenness to return stymied by the difficulty in plane seat availability, also the surprising resilience in the economy.
  Many people might be over the criticisms National has displayed for a long time. Ultimately become wary of a new leader who has called a significant part of the community bottom feeders and so on.
  The wheels falling off should help National if that continues to happen, if it resists endless criticism and is measured and slick it will have more than a good chance at the Treasury Benches.
  But despite what all the best pundits may predict, no one can assume where “Instant” Peters may end up.
  Meanwhile, on KB many people are likely to say the same things they’ve said for years and many contributors will stick with the tried and true of trying to squeeze out the mandatory political insults in a new way as it grows further and further away from the opinions of younger NZ.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:35am
  - Swifty
    
    Brian, do you believe that the NZ’s current young/youth cohort will be any different from the legions that came before them in that, generally speaking, they will vote ‘left’ when young and progressively move ‘right’ as they mature and take on more responsibility?
    
    If so, please tell us why.
    
    Also, should we be paying any attention to what our youth think about things where their ideas are flawed, conclusions are faulty and/or logic is impaired or absent?
    
    Or should we do as they say even though we know them to be wrong?
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:11am
    - Paulus
      
      As the youth get older and probably mature they will see where their hard earned money is spent by the Government, of whatever hue.
      Labour are the experts at spending your money with out clearly identifiying where it is spent and to whom.
      
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      January 17, 2023 11:03am
      - david
        
        However their experience and recollection of the “good old days” will be totally different from what you and I have so the “return” will have a very different meaning. They know not what an environment consisting of energetic people who are chasing dreams of reaping the benefits of their own efforts and risks taken, of people expanding their skills and knowledge so that they can advance themselves in their society, of people selflessly committing themselves to the service of others regardless of the personal cost, actually looks like.
        
        More is the pity.
        
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        January 17, 2023 5:49pm
    - Media hater
      
      That’s a lot of questions for Brian, Swifty!
      
      His brain might explode.
      
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      January 17, 2023 12:15pm
  - Yabster
    
    Starts with “nobody knows what other people think”- finishes with “further away from the opinions of younger NZ”- outstanding stuff….
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:33am
  - Jack5
    
    Brian McD says: …None of us know what people think.
    
    The provider of this blog, DPF, from his polling work, makes a business out of assessing what people think.
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:17am
- backster
  
  Then there was the early morning talkback host Ethan ? vigorously advocating a wealth tax, redistributions to poor countries like Somalia and other failed Socialist policies. (Didn’t mention co governance though}
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:39am
- Swifty
  
  This is quite revealing of Wilson.
  
  What will it take for him to admit that the performance of his beloved Labour Party has been dire?
  
  What ruin and devastation must occur for him to say they’ve been calamitous and need to go?
  
  Or is there no destruction and waste too great for this to occur? Would he back them and sing their praises irrespective of the damage they’ve wrought? I suspect this is the case. He is welded to Labour and there would be no circumstances where he would admit they’ve failed as a government and failed us as citizens.
  
  I believe it’s the same with those lefty teachers and principals who opposed charter schools – even if presented with stark, factual and irrefutable evidence that some charter schools were delivering better for parents and kids than the mainstream they would still oppose them with foam-flecked anger.
  
  It’s because concern for the incumbents, special interests and the status quo trumps results for parents and children.
  
  With Wilson it’s the party which must come first – actual results come way down the list.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:41am
  - Ian Boag
    
    even if presented with stark, factual and irrefutable evidence that some charter schools were delivering better …
    
    And some weren’t. They didn’t all have principals as devoted and competent as Alwyn.
    
    There were 12 altogether. Not a huge sample size …
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:27am
    - Swifty
      
      I was writing hypothetically Ian.
      
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      January 17, 2023 9:38am
    - Swifty
      
      …but I do agree it’s your points.
      
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      January 17, 2023 9:39am
      - Swifty
        
        Sorry, with your points, not it’s.
        
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        January 17, 2023 9:56am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Ian, I think you will find the charter schools were pretty much all outperforming public schools in certain age groups. I seem to recall when Labour (Hipkins) were in opposition they were whining about NCEA results at all the Charter Schools being rigged as they were quite a bit better than Public Schools?
      
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      January 17, 2023 3:22pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    The comments on the Wilson article are good reading. I’m surprised the NZH left them open.
    
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    January 17, 2023 1:36pm
- Simon
  
  Its framing when Labo lose so badly they will run a Green utopia fantasy platform when in opposition.
  
  If the next govt is ACT centric this leftwing garbage will be consigned to the dustbin of history. If the next govt is Luxon / Willis centric this leftwing nightmare will be running things 6 yrs later.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I agree. I have despaired at some of the interchanges I have had here over the last few days. Unless ACT has significant influence there will be no needed changes. Sure National will stop the rot. Thanks a bunch 🙄
    
    These are the issues where National needs to lead fundamental change…
    
    Education
    
    Resource Management
    
    Embedding democracy
    
    Social welfare dependency
    
    ….. There are many, many, others but FFS at least fix those in term 1.
    
    As an aside, government is going to need to admit that New Zealand cannot any longer afford universal aged pensions at 65. I know that this has been political poison, but as I keep saying, government needs to lead. The age needs to be transitioned to 68 over 10 years. That will free up the fiscal headroom to tackle pressing problems.
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:21am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Yeah, yeah. But there is a difference between what you need to do when you are in power, and what you need to say to get there in the first place. National needs to win back the votes that it lost to Labour last time, and to do that it needs to stay within shouting distance of the centre. Moving to the right may win them votes from ACT, but it will lose them the far more to Labour.
      
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      January 17, 2023 9:29am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You keep saying this – “moving to the right”. What does that even mean?
        
        OK a question. The state of education achievement in schools is nothing short of a national emergency. What do you suggest that the incoming government should do to fix it?
        
        I can tell you that a ‘recruitment freeze’ at the Ministry of Education and ‘conversations’ with the teachers unions is not going to achieve a damn thing. Neither will the education policies of the last John Key led government. His education ministers were every bit as useless as the current one.
        
        So what do we do? Just give up as New Zealand sinks to the actual bottom of OECD schooling achievement levels?
        
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        January 17, 2023 9:52am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        National will not be able to do anything about education, or any of the other disaster areas that Labour has created or exacerbated for us, unless they first win the election. Their focus at this point has to be on doing that, and if that means keeping quiet about the unpopular but necessary actions they’re going to have to do once they are in power, then so be it.
        
        Voters say they want honesty in politicians, but they sure as shit don’t vote for it.
        
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        January 17, 2023 10:26am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “…and if that means keeping quiet about the unpopular but necessary actions they’re going to have to do once they are in power, then so be it.”
        
        Well here us my alternative hypothesis. National has no clue how to fix the schooling system. It will only be fixed if David Seymour or Brooke van Velden have the education portfolio and brings the rest of Cabinet with them – which is far from certain.
        
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        January 17, 2023 10:31am
      - Matt Long
        
        We have a crisis in education, we have a crisis in crime, we have a crisis in housing, climate policy, essential products shortages, etc. etc. etc. and our National party commenters think the way to win the election is to promise more of the same.
        
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        January 17, 2023 10:53am
    - Paulus
      
      France is again in open union revolution when the Macron Government wants to put up pensions from 60 to 62.
      We should be 68 in the next 20 year slow movements.
      
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      January 17, 2023 11:06am
- slightlyrighty
  
  At least it’s paywalled, so the great unwashed will not see it….
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:46am
  - peterwn
    
    And that is an ‘own goal’ on the part of the Herald. Surely Simon and the Herald would want that article read by as many as possible.
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:34am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Shhhhhhhh.
      
      You might give them ideas.
      
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      January 17, 2023 9:54am
- Jack5
  
  Wilson’s argument seems to boil down to:
  
  — Ardern gets an easy time at the Waitangi tea party.
  
  — But Leftist heroes there throw dildos and mud at non-Labour, non-Maori politicians.
  
  Dildo logic. Wilson is an intellectual giant.
  
  And so the Herald dances for the Ardern subsidy.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:59am
  - Lance
    
    To be fair, many a leftist supporter is as dumb as a sack of hammers so this might work.
    An actual example: a Labour supporter said to us recently ” all Indians are liars”, we politely enquired how did you come to this stunning conclusion about an entire race of people? : “because that guy from Hamiliton said that Labour were bullies and Jacinda said that wasn’t true, therefore all Indians are liars”.
    Fuck me, people like this are allowed to vote.
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:40am
  - Paulus
    
    I would expect Ardern to be overseas at the next Waitangi farce.
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:07am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Simon Wilson was an extremely effective PR agent for Efeso Collins at the local body election last year; maybe it will be a good thing if he loudly and proudly trumpets Labour/Green for the remainder of this year…
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:13am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Also, it’s very early in the year to start the hard out campaigning – if he’s like this now, what’s it going to be for the rest of the year?
    
    (Or is it just because the Labour MPs are apparently meeting and they require a pep talk?).
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:34am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Don’t the Marxists have a retreat soon?
      
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      January 17, 2023 12:30pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Davos?
        
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        January 17, 2023 9:48pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed Suze – Labour should hire him as their Chief Press Secretary. He’s wasted publishing Labour media releases at Granny Herald. He could Make Spin-doctoring Great Again 😂😂
    
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    January 17, 2023 12:38pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Efeso may try his luck as a Green party candidate.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/efeso-collins-among-list-of-likely-green-candidates-for-2023-election/NE4S33V6VFDSTF7GSSCHQYTZRA/
    
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    January 17, 2023 1:39pm
- burt
  
  They don’t even try to hide their shameless shilling for their share of Pravda funding.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:28am
  - Paulus
    
    It appears that the Pravda Propaganda Fund is getting to the end of its $55 million in March – will be intesting to see if it is and how renewed.
    Apparently many young media type people (mainly young ladies, I understand) who have been funded from it will be out of a job.
    
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    January 17, 2023 1:48pm
- herb1
  
  You have to remember that Wilson has been described as a close personal friend of Ardern and it was his wife who was to be the director of the film about Arderns wonderful response to the mosque shooting.
  Only ended when the public became aware and there was a lot of backlash.
  There’s probably not a lot of negativity in the Wilson house to Ardern
  
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  January 17, 2023 12:07pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  If I’ve said it once, I said it a hundred times.
  
  I’d rather have cancer than read anything that Simon Wilson has written.
  
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  January 17, 2023 4:11pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I’d take reading SW’s shit over cancer, but it would be a last resort!
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:49pm
Yvette

A Tairāwhiti resident says her home would not have flooded if it wasn’t for a sea of forestry slash that came down a nearby river during heavy rain

The impact of the weather on people’s lives was so extreme that some were asking hard questions about why they wanted to live there, Shelton said.
“We’ve got people that are beginning to question their future around here, which is sad, and these are the people we’d like to talk to because they’re too good families to lose.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/01/16/cyclone-hale-tolaga-bay-locals-questioning-future/

“That [2018] year, an estimated one million tonnes of logs and debris were strewn on properties and roads in Tolaga Bay” “but [Linda Gough] “noticed this time there seemed to be more logs”

“Their lawyer sat at the bottom of our staircase, saying he was coming to talk about fixing us up for what we’d lost… I said no we’ll just go to court because that’s ridiculous … and he says ‘Oh, well you can do that, but we’ve got unlimited funds and we’ll just keep going’ … they know we can’t fight them,” Gough said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482272/tairawhiti-flooding-our-
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482272/tairawhiti-flooding-our-whole-property-was-underwater-damage-after-logs-block-river

No need for inquiry into forestry practices following Cyclone Hale, minister says
Forestry companies need to sit down with key stakeholders to understand how to operate better, but there is no need for an inquiry, the Minister of Forestry says.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/482541/no-need-for-inquiry-into-forestry-practices-following-cyclone-hale-minister-says

Each heavy rain event delivers, but this Government doesn’t … again
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January 17, 2023 8:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Stuart Nash, Forestry Minister, has pine gum on his hands…
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:12am
- plc
  
  Send the bill to the new 3 Waters overlords
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:19am
- burt
  
  That story has had very little traction in the media because the media are so busy saying the flooding was cased by climate change.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:29am
- G152
  
  That slash is old.
  It is water worn.
  Little to no bark.
  And has been probably coming down that river since the 70s
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:48am
  - burt
    
    So since about the same time we’ve been inundated with “climate fear porn” stories about more extreme rain and flooding events?
    
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    January 17, 2023 12:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Failure by successive governments and councils to stop forestry companies socializing the costs of their most environmentally destructive practices.
  
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  January 17, 2023 1:34pm
Frank the tank

Three weeks in and not a peep from anyone of “responsibility” from the government.

Is everyone drinking cocktails at Waikiki?
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January 17, 2023 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No, but there have been a number of BBQ’s at Grant’s place in Wellington, and a Fondue party at Michael Wood’s residence.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:24am
- Red Rooster
  
  Do you think the PM has sneaked off to Davos for a briefing? Can’t be in Gisborne, the weather is no good!
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:25am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Given what they’d probably have said/done, we should be heartily grateful for a blessed period of silence and inactivity
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:30am
Tony Stuart

Efeso Collins looks set to become the latest high-profile Labour Party member to defect:

The Green Party is in the midst of formally selecting the candidates it intends to run at the 2023 election.

Multiple Green Party sources have tipped former Auckland mayoral candidate Efeso Collins as a likely candidate with a shot at getting a good list ranking, although this is far from guaranteed.

With current MPs Eugenie Sage and Jan Logie retiring at the election, two spots have opened up in a winnable part of the party list. The Greens are currently polling slightly higher than at the 2020 election, raising the possibility the party might add one or more MPs to its caucus in 2023. The party currently has 10 MPs.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/efeso-collins-among-list-of-likely-green-candidates-for-2023-election/NE4S33V6VFDSTF7GSSCHQYTZRA/

It’s not a good look for Labour when someone of Collins’ standing defects. Up until last year he was an Auckland councillor under the Labour Party banner, and was endorsed in his unsuccessful Auckland mayoralty campaign by the Prime Minister, and countless Labour MP’s and Ministers. He also received endorsements from Auckland Green Party MP’s.

Will he now be treated as a pariah by Labour, as fellow defector Dr Gaurav Sharma was? Or will he be allowed a dignified exit? One thing is for sure though; this is VERY bad news for James Shaw, who only retained the Green co-leadership last year because no one stood against him.
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January 17, 2023 8:10am
- Colville
  
  A snout looking for a trough..
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:33am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You might well think that. I couldn’t possibly comment…
    
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    January 17, 2023 8:39am
- septic skeptic
  
  Wonder if that would allow a Swarbrick/Collins ticket too stand for the leadership? Or is Collins disqualified as Pacifica not Maori?
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He’s not a stale, pale male…and that’ll be all that matters (to begin with).
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:56am
    - Matt Long
      
      He just needs to change his pronouns to they/ them and he’s in.
      
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      January 17, 2023 10:56am
  - rouppe
    
    Any change to leadership will see something like Davidson/Swarbrick.
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:34am
- pdm
  
  A bit of a kick in the guts for Ardern who endorsed Collins for the Auckland Mayoralty only a few (5 or 6) months ago.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:30am
- peterwn
  
  Labour will just ignore him. If he stands for the Greens his Labour Party membership is automatically cancelled by operation of the Party rules. So there is no question of his ending up belonging to two political parties.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:39am
igm

This is yet more pro-Labour bullshit being published by taxpayer-funded “Stuff”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/130965380/the-whole-truth-has-violent-crime-gone-up-under-labour
To think certain members of society take this as gospel . . . it is a blatant abuse of media ethics.
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January 17, 2023 8:11am
- Prince
  
  Unsurprising “Fact Check’ (note that Stuff never ‘Fact Checks Labour).
  National have taken one of the worst possible measures on crime. Well Duh !
  Oh, and the crime stats are very difficult to decipher. OK so…? We know that Labour have expunged any measurement that may show their failures, and doctored the rest.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:52am
  - pdm
    
    Prince ` fact checking’ Labour would be inpossible.
    
    They operate on myths feels and ideology – not facts.
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:32am
- Joely Doe
  
  Notice that the ‘fact check’ doesn’t finish with a simple conclusion?
  
  Usually, these types of pieces are finished with a statement about the veracity of the claim – True, False, Partially True or Incomplete
  
  In this case, the answer was True, but $1uff couldn’t bring themselves to write that… wonder why?
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The start of the new year polling must have started
  
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  January 17, 2023 12:32pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  So, the narrative is National claims violent crime is up 40%.
  
  The article then recalculates the figures to show that it’s only 38%.
  
  The journo then introduces a new variable to come up with a violent crime increase of only 31% and says, in summary, that you should take the claims with a grain of salt.
  
  Did Labour spin doctors write this piece of shit??
  
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  January 17, 2023 1:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    New labour directive for the media…
    
    If a violent crime happens and the are no media to witness it, then did it really happen?
    
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    January 17, 2023 1:04pm
Bridgenag

Who owns the forestry company? The ones that don’t pay taxes?
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January 17, 2023 8:14am
- Bridgenag
  
  This was a reply to Yvette
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s not just one forestry company that was responsible for the slash trash on the East Coast.
  
  That has always been a major card that the companies have played. If you can’t prove where the log on the beach or in the stream came from, then you can’t blame a particular Company.
  
  However following the 2018 floods, the following Forestry companies were (lightly) fined:
  Earnslaw 1, Aratu Forests Limited (formerly Hikurangi Forest Farms Limited), Juken NZ Limited, DNS Forest Products 2009 Limited and PF Olsen Limited.
  
  https://www.gdc.govt.nz/council/news/ernslaw-to-pay-5th-forestry-company-fined
  
  It’s taken over 4 years to get all these companies fined, but it doesn’t appear that they were told to clear their mess up back on the slopes and gullies.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:15am
  - rouppe
    
    One would have thought you could apportion costs something like this:
    1. Catchment is x million hectares
    2. Ownership of those hectares is A=20%, B=10%, C=60% etc
    3. Costs are $$$
    4. Pay pro rata to your ownership.
    
    It is appalling that so much detritus can sweep down the rivers and forestry companies do or pay (next to) nothing
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:38am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Then you’ll have no incentive to clean up your act, although you’ll certainly hope your neighbour does so. Then you benefit from his good husbandry, and he takes some of the costs of your bad.
      
      Course, he’ll do the same calculation, so the most likely outcome is that nobody does anything.
      
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      January 17, 2023 12:52pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Governments, local and national, are universally poor at imposing consequences for extractive industries that cause long-term damage to the environment.
      
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      January 17, 2023 1:39pm
    - I remember when
      
      Forestry not there.
      Probable result, a considerable increase in slips and erosion.
      Forestry there but no milling.
      Result is Gisborne loses much of its income.
      Apart from the limited amount of coastal shipping there would be no income for wharfies or, apart from Tourism vessel visits, a port.
      The reason the forestry is there is that the large sheep and beef stations became unprofitable and nothing else made economic sense.
      Much of this area is steep.
      Unless the answer is some sort of economically viable use of ‘slash’ it is hard to see an answer to this problem.
      
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      January 17, 2023 2:35pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Wonder who the Government Official was that actually wanted this removed?

‘Labor knew about myocarditis, ignored medical advice, and directed any mention of it be removed from press releases and information about the vaccines’

https://twitter.com/stkirsch/status/1614712948081188866
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January 17, 2023 8:17am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I generally admire our host for his willingness to allow multiple view points but his silence on this issue is concerning; especially given his connection to the main opposition party.
  
  Speaking of which, no doubt Christopher Luxon will be issuing a condemning press release about this //
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  MP – the tipping point is coming and it can’t come soon enough. The media, politicians and “experts” in NZ are shitting their pants and doing absolutely everything in their power to prevent this from happening. Too late.
  It’s going to be a very interesting year. Extra popcorn on order.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:27am
  - kevn
    
    @Clan… In NZ we give them a ‘gong’.
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      kevn – I think it best Saint Ash doesn’t get too attached to it……
      
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      January 17, 2023 10:47am
- Souvlaki
  
  Here is the whole article…an informative read….have yet to read part 2 published today.
  Recall the roasting of Prof Herb Green in the infamous Cartwright enquiry over lack of informed consent? Pushed +++ by Helen Clark & Labour…well HERE Labour have actually committed a far WORSE sin!!This is a shocker…hope ACT pick it up& run with it…
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Souvlaki – a very concerning read, it is long, but everyone should take the time to read it and understand the implications.
    The people of this country were lied to and cynically manipulated into taking a dangerous, experimental pharmaceutical industry product. The negative impacts are starting to become obvious.
    
    I am very much looking forward to reading part 2.
    
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    January 17, 2023 8:58am
    - I remember when
      
      Shouldn’t Simon Bridges be getting some belated pats on the back?
      
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      January 17, 2023 2:44pm
Surely Knott

Apparently Efeso Collins is not independent. He’s a Green Party candidate. 🤷‍♀️ Quelle surprise.

The herald said at the election “Candidates failing to tell voters about links to a high-profile disinformation group could be “introducing a cancer that is going to undermine democracy”, a Dunedin academic says.”

“Several candidates around the South are either directly affiliated with, or have shared their support online for, the group Voices for Freedom.”

“But they have been urged to keep those links quiet.”

“The secrecy around affiliation has been criticised as a danger to democracy.”

“University of Otago researcher and The Disinformation Project research lead Dr Sanjana Hattotuwa said there was nothing wrong with people wanting to stand for elections and engage with democracy.

But people were not being upfront with what they stood for and believed in — making New Zealand “ungovernable”.

“You’re introducing a cancer that is going to undermine democracy.”

Hello disinformation project. Why didn’t you disclose the Green Party secret affiliations. This guy was running for mayor. Is hiding affiliations a cancer on democracy or not?

The articles last year were not academic theory backing democracy, it was a deliberate one sided hit job using the university of Otago brand for credibility.

Our media and our universities are compromised. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ungovernable-candidates-linked-to-voices-for-freedom-in-local-elections/3XLS525TXYUPTDGN7MSQNNWNLI/
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January 17, 2023 8:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Surely Knott – an excellent observation.
  
  The other recent one for me is how, a year ago, your vaccination status was demanded everywhere just to participate in society and nobody batted an eyelid.
  Now, if someone “dies suddenly”, you don’t dare question their vaccination status, none of your business.
  
  Quelle surprise.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:29am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Anyone standing for elected office should by law be made to state their current and past affiliations. Then the voters can decide for themselves. If you hid that then you’ll hide everything.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:30am
Ruahine

The Gov’t (taxpayer) paid News Media in full campaign mode for Labour this morning.
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January 17, 2023 8:20am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You sound surprised Ruahine!
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:47am
Maggie's partner

Imagine you had to appoint a Reserve Bank governor, and the current one was useless.

You could go to the time and trouble of trying to find a good one.

Or you could go to the incumbent and say: “If I reappoint you for another 5 years, will you make out that the economy is totally rooted, then when it turns out not to be, I will look like I am in control and doing a good job”.

Just sayin……
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January 17, 2023 8:20am
- Prince
  
  Imagine if you had a gaggle of economists that the media used who said the economy was in good shape.
  Imagine if you had blown out Govt debt by $100B in five years, to $147B, to create this ‘good shape’.
  And imagine if you were borrowing $71M each and every day, and had no plan to cut spending, or increase taxes (at least that you disclose). And interest rates on all that debt were rising fast.
  You don’t need to imagine.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Remember the crap that was being peddled all last year that we had hit “peak inflation”?
    
    The broad consensus among economists is that New Zealand will now be nearing, if not hitting peak inflation, but the decline in prices will be slow.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/18/new-zealand-inflation-hits-73-the-highest-rate-since-1990
    
    Anyone taking bets on 10% this year?
    
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    January 17, 2023 9:25am
    - Swifty
      
      I thought that appalling.
      
      They couldn’t have possibly predicted inflation that far out with any certainty whatsoever. It was just an attempt at spin, to mollify the citizenry.
      
      And as, of course, it has subsequently proved.
      
      Biden et al is being thrashed in the US at the moment for the same thing.
      
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      January 17, 2023 9:46am
- Paulus
  
  We no longer have an Independent Reserve Bak Governor – we now have a committee appointed by Robertson.
  They are lefties, unionists, and it shows.
  They must go asap.
  Which is why so many senior staff left in the last year as they saw what they disliked, and have been replaced from other Departments with people with little or no banking or economic experience – jobs for the special highly paid girls and boys.
  Amateurs but par for the course.
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:14am
ClanMcleod

This sounds like a great idea, why didn’t someone think of it before???

Biden Calls For Two Weeks Of Not Cooking On Gas Stoves To Flatten The Curve

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-calls-for-two-weeks-of-not-cooking-on-gas-stoves-to-flatten-the-curve?
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January 17, 2023 8:33am
Sacha

Help! I’m trying to remember who the Minister of Railways was in the 1980s, who ‘opened’ the newly electrified Main Trunk Line somewhere in the Waikato (I think). I had a newspaper article about it years ago, but can’t find it.
A link (or any other guidance) would be most appreciated –
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January 17, 2023 8:52am
- Ghost
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Railways_(New_Zealand)
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:59am
Yvette

Covid and our Kiwi Kids – Part 2
Cranmer’s Substack
Either Bloomfield didn’t accept these recommendations, or he did and they weren’t adopted by Cabinet.
What we know with certainty is that the Prime Minister’s claim that the New Zealand government followed the advice of our medical experts on these issues is not accurate
https://cranmer.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-2?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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January 17, 2023 8:54am
rjay

I’ve heard the government is planning to tax weekend runabouts, jet skis etc and give a tax rebate to people who purchase sailing vessels. Hybrids which allow both sail and fossil fuel powered propulsion will get a reduced rebate.
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January 17, 2023 8:56am
- Its only I
  
  I’ve got an oar to sell you rjay, two really but different lengths. You use the long one on the opposite side you want to turn…
  
  Apologies rjay I was treating you the same way Labour treats its supporters.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:35am
- Taieri
  
  I’ve heard the government is planning to tax weekend runabouts, jet skis
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  So they should. There’s absolutely no need for such frivolous past times as runabouts and jet skis. Apart from eliminating their planet-destroying carbon footprint, their former users could be productively employed elsewhere, for example tending community vegetable gardens or filling potholes in the roads across the motu. Voluntarily of course…
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:43am
ClanMcleod

An interesting take on how the covid narrative is unfolding in Offguardian.

Many people have quickly realised that this narrative is fraudulent, some genuinely still don’t get it and some are in total denial. Particularly those who advocated strongest for more punishment for the “transgressors” and those who are culpable for the harm done.

There used to be a time when defeat was part of life and a person learned from their mistakes or failures. Now everyone gets a prize just for participating. The jabbed want their prize, and damned if they are going to back down until they get it. “I was loyal to the cause all the way to the end!”

Down they will go in their arrogance, ignorance, and stubbornness. Too bad. As cliché as it is to say, we are indeed in this together. The sheep are not the enemy. They may have had weaknesses that make them responsible for this shite show, but they didn’t create it, and they got nothing for being loyal to their puppet masters, that’s for sure.

These poor folks are our brothers and our sisters. We are ready to welcome them back to the human race with open arms, but that is impossible if they continue to swear their allegiance to the enemy.

https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/14/right-or-wrong-i-am-sticking-with-what-i-believe/
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January 17, 2023 9:27am
Bridgenag

Found this guy in spam as I am trying different posters offered on this site and the computer wasn’t told………. His site is interesting This one about masks
https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/former-us-surgeon-general-jerome?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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January 17, 2023 9:28am
Maggie Pie

When the Green Party unveils it’s ‘list’ candidates for 2023, who would you prefer to be ranked higher….

The Member for Tijuana

The Member for Tehran

The Member for Nukunonu

Asking for a friend.
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January 17, 2023 9:29am
- Ghost
  
  The Member for Remuera
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And what about Minnesota?
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:06am
Bridgenag

Covid class action in Oz

https://open.substack.com/pub/rebekahbarnett/p/covid-vaccine-class-action-calling?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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January 17, 2023 9:30am
Taieri

our universities are compromised.
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Not at all. Our universities serve many, not just useful. but simply essential purposes.

One of these, or how to get and spend $1.4 million:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/aim-use-life-stories-aid-opioid-tapering

As usual, the mention of Maori carries the day.

“(…)Maori had a disproportionate burden of chronic pain and there may be inequities in opioid prescription for Maori(…)”

And the solution?

“(…)co-designing digital video stories with Maori patients and whanau across New Zealand using a group-based, digital storytelling method to capture their life journeys before opioid use, barriers and enablers during opioid reduction, and life after opioid tapering(…)”

All this is funded by the Health Research Council, which strangely enough does not appear to have a Maori name. Yet…
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January 17, 2023 9:37am
- Jack5
  
  New Zealand’s physiotherapists are among the world’s best, but when did their field widen to cover drug addiction?
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think Physios have always been involved in some way with helping/treating folks with substance abuse problems…..
    and definitely with helping folks manage physical tasks whilst in recovery (and in pain).
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:14am
Ehlana

From today’s Herald: “Senior nurses appointed to Starship to address Māori health inequity”

“Two new nurse directors at Starship Child health will help address health inequity for Māori by championing Māori health and leading Te Tiriti across nursing,”. There is now a “nurse director tangata whenua” and a “nurse director tangata tiriti” to “ensure equal decision-making, mandate power sharing and ensure the interest of Māori communities are at the forefront.”

For some bizarre reason, I thought the interests of sick children were meant to be at the forefront of Starship.

But “Te Tumu Whakarae o Starship (Māori health director) Toni Shepherd says that actualising equity through shared decision-making is well overdue.

“The colonial health structures of Aotearoa require radical transformation to dismantle the inequities prevalent in child Health.

“Co-directorship within child health is an opportunity to realise Te Tiriti in action and, ultimately, we need to re-imagine a child healthcare system that is mokopuna-centric, whānau-focused and whānau-led.””

Then again, I thought child health inequities had something to do with parenting, families and communities. And that our colonial health structures had mostly been torn down and replaced with far more modern buildings, equipped with up-to-date luxuries like electric power and indoor running water.
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January 17, 2023 9:40am
- Taieri
  
  Te Tumu Whakarae o Starship
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  Starship? What does it mean?
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:45am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The absurdity of the statement “The colonial health structures of Aotearoa require radical transformation to dismantle the inequities prevalent in child Health.” is clearly missed or deliberately ignore….
  IMO it is deliberate because people cannot be that FITH.
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:48am
  - cmm
    
    Translation: Needs to be restructured to install sufficient troughs for copious snouts.
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:47am
- Swifty
  
  Before I rush to judgement I will need to research how Maori historically managed their hospitals, paediatric services and funding and resourcing mechanisms.
  
  //
  
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  January 17, 2023 9:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Start with this:
    
    Mortality rates for children were almost identical for Māori and non-Māori in 2006, but in the late 19th century they were starkly different. In 1886, while 14% of non-Māori children died before their 15th birthday, 51% of Māori children were likely to die between birth and 15 years.
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/graph/30198/maori-and-non-maori-child-mortality-rates#:~:text=Mortality%20rates%20for%20children%20were,between%20birth%20and%2015%20years.
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:20am
  - Taieri
    
    how Maori historically managed their hospitals, paediatric services and funding and resourcing mechanisms
    ———-
    
    With Matauranga of course. Although this term was only created in the 1980’s, but that’s another story…
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  That is a nauseating parade of woke, virtue-signalling which will result fewer resources to sick kids. Where is National on this? Hello?
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:01am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Someone will pop up here shortly kk to inform that National are “keeping the powder dry, not letting the policy cat out of the bag this far out from the election…………..blablabla”.
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:14am
    - rockape
      
      I think if you bothered to do some research you would find National have a clear and stated policy already released. Google Shane Reti, National Health policy.
      
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      January 17, 2023 10:42am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Here is National’s priorities page. Unlocking economic growth, Dealing with the cost of living crisis, Backing police & tackling gangs, Delivering tax relief … but no mention of health.
        
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        January 17, 2023 10:50am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Unlocking economic growth”
        
        Yeah?
        
        How? By going for ‘net zero emissions’? I don’t think so.
        
        This was a speech given by the Treasury Secretary in 2010. It addresses all the impediments to growth in New Zealand. None of them have been addressed. When National sets out policies to do so, I will listen.
        
        https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/speech/lifting-new-zealand%E2%80%99s-economic-growth
        
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        January 17, 2023 11:01am
      - H. Upmann
        
        ra; Thank you, I am aware of Dr Reti’s work on this and his recommendations. I have great hope that Dr Reti has a major influence on New Zealand’s future and not solely relating to health. He is one of the few National personalities I hold in any sort of admiration.
        My comment was more of a general statement / criticism, not specifically health. Their fear of Labour stealing any of their policy is a weak excuse.
        
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        January 17, 2023 11:04am
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        kk – “… but no mention of health. ”
        By comparison 11 ” Campaigns” (implied priorities?) – health obviously not a priority perhaps?
        
        https://www.act.org.nz/campaigns?4619a17e_page=2
        
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        January 17, 2023 12:40pm
- Jack5
  
  Here’s hoping this Woke, “colonial inequities” bullshit doesn’t hurt the substantial fund-raising and charitable work around Starship.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:04am
  - septic skeptic
    
    What is left after the “won’t take money from horse racing” own goal.
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:23am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It will. After their refusal to take money from the horse owner, I would not give them the time of day.
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:02am
- Yvette
  
  Ehlana
  Te Tiriti this would be the all-wise future-anticipating living document which would seem to mention the non-Maori settler portion of the population, now about 83 percent, only once – and indirectly, at that – as “all British subjects”?
  I challenge anyone to indicate in the Treaty – in fact, perhaps, just a badl=worded, out-dated real estate agreement – where else the majority of non-Maori New Zealanders is actually mentioned.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:08am
  - Ehlana
    
    I get the impression the advocates for “partnership” governance actually haven’t even thought about the impact on the 84% non-Maori NZ population. Most of whom are educated, employable and have cultural ties to other parts of the world – a world we increasingly hear is short of talented people.
    
    Is there a future in New Zealand for non-Maori New Zealanders?
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:36am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Boxer the horse in George Orwell’s “Animal Farm” was a great believer in the new regime instituted by the pigs, and as strong as he was shouldered the bulk of the burdens in laboring on the farm for the benefit of the pigs and others – so much so that he was soon worn out and crippled by the work and was then shipped off to the knacker’s by the piggies (dog food).
      
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      January 17, 2023 11:01am
      - plc
        
        No, no….I won’t hear it.
        
        Boxer was sent to the Vet where he received the medical care possible.
        
        Napoleon said so.
        
        From the Podium of Truth
        
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        January 17, 2023 1:46pm
    - cmm
      
      Unfortunately for the Maori, there is no future for Maori NZers if there is no future for the non-Maori NZers.
      
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      January 17, 2023 11:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Agree.
        Yesterday we had some moron going on about ‘regressive patriarchy’.
        Who the fuck do these people think built everything?
        But hey, Maori can keep the muskets and the blankets but give us our Dialysis Machine back.
        
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        January 17, 2023 11:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  ““Co-directorship within child health is an opportunity to realise Te Tiriti in action and, ultimately, we need to re-imagine a child healthcare system that is mokopuna-centric, whānau-focused and whānau-led.”””
  
  As a scholar of the English language, this stuff makes my blood boil. It is disgusting drivel. The last resort of highly paid people with bizarre titles who do not know what the fuck they are doing but probably get paid $200 k per year.
  
  Prior to the “colonial health structures of Aotearoa” the health of Maori children was precarious:
  
  “Illness was treated by karakia and rituals, and also by rongoā rākau (medicinal plants), physical massage, and the use of water for sprinkling or immersion. Central to healing was the tohunga, an expert and a spiritual and religious leader. The emphasis was on finding the cause of the illness, and getting rid of the spirit or dealing with the transgression responsible for it, rather than on patient care.”
  
  Source: Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-hauora-maori-i-mua-history-of-maori-health/page-1#:~:text=Healing%20practices,a%20spiritual%20and%20religious%20leader.
  
  The determinant factors of ‘healthy children’ are pretty damn obvious. It has nothing to do with the Treaty.
  
  – Good nutrition
  – Parents model healthy behaviours – no drug use or excess drinking
  – Regular exercise, also modelled by parents
  – Regular medical checks
  – Get childhood vaccinations for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, hepatitis, chickenpox, measles. mumps and rubella.
  
  In New Zealand, it is parents who are overwhelming determinants of the health of their children. People who are too stupid to do that should not have children.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:12am
  - Taieri
    
    highly paid people with bizarre titles who do not know what the fuck they are doing but probably get paid $200 k per year
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    They know perfectly well what they are doing. Making a living. A very good living…
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:24am
  - surfing
    
    “She says the co-leadership will ensure equal decision-making, mandate power sharing and ensure the interest of Māori communities are at the forefront.”
    
    If Maori communities are being put at the forefront, who is being put at the back?
    
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    January 17, 2023 10:37am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Get the parents in.
      
      “Are your kids up to date with their vaccinations?”
      
      “No we are scarfed of the COVID vaccine.”
      
      “Yeah, sorry about that. These ones work, so they will be fine. Now let’s talk about what you feed them….”
      
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      January 17, 2023 10:43am
      - Taieri
        
        Now let’s talk about what you feed them…
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        KFC…Macca…F&C…
        
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        January 17, 2023 11:28am
- artemisia
  
  Not to worry, those new positions will come with specific and measurable performance outcomes. //
  
  As a direct descendant of one of the last traditional tohunga, and with decent rongoa knowledge, I will watch with interest. Not expecting reviewing measurement against outcomes to take up much of my time.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    With your nom-de-plume and your background, you may be interested in this report:
    
    https://www.maramatanga.ac.nz/sites/default/files/project-reports/Rongoa%20Pastures%20-%20Research%20Report%2C%20Johnson%202015.pdf
    
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    January 17, 2023 12:53pm
    - artemisia
      
      Thanks Maggy. Had not seen that, will also pass on to farmers in the family.
      
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      January 17, 2023 3:40pm
- cmm
  
  It seems that Maori must be a different species that have different biological needs.
  
  I didn’t think so, but then it’s a long time since I did biology at school.Perhaps Maori science has discovered massive differences.
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

FB.
“That there were two sorts of people in this world….. “People who get satire… and socialists”.
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January 17, 2023 10:11am
- greybeard
  
  I love it !
  ( I think……?)
  
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  January 17, 2023 4:00pm
Its only I

There has been a few conversations around vaping and its use as a tool to get people off the external combustion version of their addiction plus the “I like it so FO and leave me alone” type of conversations BUT, have you ever pulled one of the discarded disposables apart?
Here it’s what’s inside a tube type version of disposable vape.

The thing looks like a penny whistle without the side holes and is made from aluminium.
Bottom up is a cap with an air hole and LED light.
Inside over the air hole is a switch activated by the incoming air.
The switch is connected to a triple “A” lithium battery.
Above the battery is a heater coil wrapped in a heatproof foam impregnated with chemicals.
Above that is the mouthpiece.
So air is sucked in, activates the little switch turning on the led and the coil.
Fascinating!

It lasts the user around three days then the whole thing is sent to the landfill or under trees in a park or in the sand on the beach, side of the road, gutter, front lawn basically any place you would find a traditional cig butt.

Disposable Vaping, starbucks drinking protesters are funny people, as in farking hilarious.
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January 17, 2023 10:13am
- Jack5
  
  Bit like coming tidal waves of used batteries from electric cars.
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:22am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Apparently Wayne Mapp is happy for a Battery Disposal dump to be at his place in Bayswater.
    The Wayne Mapp Memorial Battery Dump has a nice ring to it.
    
    Of course he wont, and that’s the point. People like him advocate for these ideas with no thought of the implications… Just dumb.
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:37am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      The major battery manufacturers, such as Tesla already having battery recycling plants, so “no” we wont be building a large industrial facility in Bayswater.
      
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      January 17, 2023 4:16pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Cigarettes: AA+ harmful to the user, and inconsequential for the environment
  
  Vapes: B- harmful to the user, and utterly tragic for the environment
  
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  January 17, 2023 10:44am
- cmm
  
  The fire risk of dumping thousands of things like that in the rubbish are huge.
  
  If the thing gets crushed, the chances of it shorting and starting a fire are not high, but given millions of them is possibly quite high.
  
  There are multiple reasons why batteries (inc. AAA and AA cells) should not be thrown in the normal waste stream including both the chemicals inside getting into the environment and risk of fires.
  
  https://wellington.govt.nz/rubbish-recycling-and-waste/reducing-your-waste/reducing-waste-at-home/battery-recycling
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:37am
  - Taieri
    
    There are multiple reasons why batteries (inc. AAA and AA cells) should not be thrown in the normal waste stream
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    Yet, there’re no collection points for used batteries in NZ. At least none that I’m aware of.
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:54am
  - Ehlana
    
    Maybe they shouldn’t be in landfills, but what else can consumers actually do with them?
    
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    January 17, 2023 2:55pm
Taieri

Disposable Vaping, starbucks drinking protesters are funny people
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You are generalizing and stereotyping.
I happen to use disposable vaping, don’t drink Starbucks’ products and don’t protest much. Don’t dispose of used vape mouthpieces under the trees and am not funny at all…
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January 17, 2023 10:28am
Tony Stuart

NZIER has just released the results of its latest business confidence survey. Overall, it makes for grim reading:

Business confidence has sunk to its lowest level since the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research began surveying sentiment in 1970, on a seasonally adjusted basis, the research firm says.

NZIER said its latest quarterly survey of business opinion made for grim reading, with a net 73% of businesses expecting conditions to worsen over the coming months.

“Business confidence is the weakest in the history of the survey,” NZIER said.

“Firms have become much more cautious and are now looking to reduce staff numbers.”

A net 9% were expecting to cut staff early this year, it found.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130987717/business-confidence-sinks-to-52year-low-as-firms-brace-for-promised-recession

It’s not the kind of news the government would have been hoping for, as election year gets underway. There’s no way that Grant Robertson can polish or sugar-coat this turd.

New Zealand cannot afford three more years of this Labour government.
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January 17, 2023 10:29am
- Prince
  
  A good chunk of Labour/Green voters despise ‘Business’, and will be quite happy to see non-government ‘profiteers’ go under, to be replaced by Govt entities headed by selected fellow-travellers.
  Have a look at the background of some of the talking heads you see from Consumer NZ, the various ‘Rights’ commissioners, Business NZ etc.
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:07am
- NothingLeft
  
  Doesn’t matter to Robbo as long as Govt own the media and can borrow to pay for bribes.
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:14am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thanks Spindy and the idiots who voted for you.
  
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  January 17, 2023 12:45pm
krazykiwi

Davos Man has arrived, and the annual meeting of elites who would (or do?) rule us is now underway.

A couple of short points

1. Rumor Klaus Schwab is suffering an ‘unspecified illness’ and will not be attending, with his wife there in his place.

2. All participants must take a PCR test on arrival. No PCR or a positive PCR result and the chip in the ID card will not be activated.. and it’s fuel the jet and off home.
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January 17, 2023 10:34am
rjay

If anyone has children (13 to 24) who are interested in climate change the Tauranga City Council is running a propaganda “youth development” day in February. It would be fun to de-rail their expenditure of ratepayers money on this.
https://www.tauranga.govt.nz/community/community-services/youth-development/te-toka-whakaea-youth-climate-forum
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January 17, 2023 10:53am
Ehlana

In Auckland Council’s “Our Auckland” magazine this month: “Puhoi’s awa (river) carves a path through the town, creating a haven for humans and wildlife, including tuna (eels)”.

The river didn’t carve a path through the town; it was there first and the town was built on the banks of the river. And surely a clue that you should use English words in your sentences (apart from the fact that you’re writing in English) is when the Maori word is actually also a word in English – but with a different meaning!
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January 17, 2023 10:58am
ClanMcleod

OK, I don’t give “climate change” protesters many thumbs up, but I’ll make an exception in this case.

Here’s a very short video from a protest at a coal mine, the German riot police have a few problems with the muddy ground.

WARNING: humourous content, make sure you’ve swallowed any food properly and make sure you don’t have hot drinks in your hand. You may spill them. Funniest thing I’ve seen in weeks!

https://youtu.be/kGx-BtpGKgA
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January 17, 2023 11:01am
- Matt Long
  
  How appropriate is it to send a physically incapable female against possibly violent protesters to be humiliated like that for the sake of inclusiveness?
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:28am
  - cmm
    
    The protestors violent? More likely incapacitated by laughter!
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:41am
  - Ghost
    
    Woman are physical incapable of dealing with protestors? What a load of rubbish.
    
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    January 17, 2023 11:55am
    - Matt Long
      
      That woman, not women.
      
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      January 17, 2023 12:59pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – that PERSON was incapable of pulling their boots out of the mud. Everyone else managed it. She was incompetent and physically unable to do the job.
      Get over it.
      
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      January 17, 2023 8:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        When you’re stuck deep in mud it’s hard to get out, but it’s actually a man not a woman
        
        The druidic demonstrator mocked one officer, whose foot was deeply enmeshed in the mud, as his colleagues tried to pull him free.
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/16/watch-humiliated-police-get-stuck-mud-german-climate-protest/
        
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        January 17, 2023 8:35pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Its Agincourt all over again.
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    AOR – I did think that!
    
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    January 17, 2023 8:09pm
surfing

Hate waiting for the kids to open their ncea results….. like a box of chocolates.

Daughter did well though, considering the crap show year with teacher’s only and union days, 1 week off with covid, 1 week off with flu, couple of ‘relationship learning’ days (Sophie Elliot’s mum is behind this), compulsory haka learning ….

Scholarship results not for another 3 weeks though…more waiting! Our daughter takes the hard subjects too, so her results are more akin to bursary/sixth form cert from the old days. None of the BS rubbish subjects that are on offer to guarantee passing.

It’s about time teachers reschedule union and teachers only days in the school holidays!
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January 17, 2023 11:10am
Surely Knott

Herald/Stuff run a negative article almost daily on Elon Musk, who is their new villain.

But why no stories on Klaus Schwab, or Davos, or which politicians and corporates are attending from NZ, or the ideas that are being floated there.
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January 17, 2023 11:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I think they might be having a “great reset”, well trying to.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:11pm
In Vino Veritas

In America, we know that entertainment stars and entertainment industry people have plenty to say on social justice, income equality, diversity and the like. But how much attention should we pay them? For instance, Chelsea Handler (actress, comedian, writer) has just admitted in an interview with Jimmy Fallon that until she was 40, she thought the sun and the moon were the same thing. Carlo Cipolla’s theory of stupidity says that there are way, way more stupid people around than anyone realises. Next time you hear someone in the entertainment industry speak on anything other than entertainment, reflect on Chelsea Handler, the moon and the sun.
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January 17, 2023 11:38am
- Taieri
  
  until she was 40, she thought the sun and the moon were the same thing.
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  I can think of a few NZ politicians that still think this way…
  
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  January 17, 2023 12:06pm
  - rouppe
    
    Quite a few think the sun shines out of their arse.
    
    They haven’t been able to explain how more than one of them thinks that.
    
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    January 17, 2023 12:31pm
Surely Knott

How will 15 minute cities work in NZ.

If you look at the map of Auckland showing job distribution, there are next to no jobs in West Auckland. And the problem is bigger than the map shows as most of the rural coastal suburbs are cut off and hidden behind the map legend.

15 minute cities are proposed by those living in the most elite neighbourhoods who have received most of the cities investment.

https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/2019/11/26/city-centre-employment-keeps-growing/
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January 17, 2023 11:39am
- Taieri
  
  15 minute cities are proposed by those living in the most elite neighbourhoods who have received most of the cities investment.
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  That’s what the green hydrogen powered jetpacks (in Turbo version) are there for. So that West Auckland people can get where they need to get within 15 minutes. Return trips are optional…
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:52am
  - Paulus
    
    Not entirely true.
    I have just read of the new huge Pacifica Multigenerational state home in Papakura.
    Three to six bedrooms two storyy designed specifically for Pacifica people and extended families. Even the garages are enlarged, as they can be converted to more accomodation, or similar, as are the master bedrooms so a family or part can live there.
    Am not sure how many people will live in it and what is the cost to the taxpayer for its special construction and what rent – if any will be paid.
    Great idea though – the start of many ?
    But would like to know the construction cost we are paying.
    I know it is from some Pacifica special fund we know nothig about as taxpayers fund it in someway.
    I hope they come clean please.
    
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    January 17, 2023 2:08pm
    - Ehlana
      
      If you can afford to build your own home, either individually or collectively, you can of course build to your own requirements.
      
      Ministry of Pacific Peoples deputy secretary Aiono Matthew Aileone told Stuff “The old New Zealand housing stock was dominated by eurocentric-designed three-bedroom standalone homes, often not suited for New Zealand conditions, he said.”
      
      Older New Zealand housing stock was built for the families of the time with the resources available back then. Why not simply acknowledge that without the nastiness? Or does he honestly believe that the builders back then could foresee the arrival of large numbers of Pacific Islanders wanting to live in multi-generational housing, but were such nasty racists that they deliberately didn’t build for them?
      
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      January 17, 2023 4:38pm
- cmm
  
  It is easy to create 15 minute cities. Just destroy transport.
  When walking was the preferred mode of transport, nobody wanted to live more than 15 minutes away.
  
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  January 17, 2023 11:54am
  - Taieri
    
    It is easy to create 15 minute cities. Just destroy transport.
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    No need to destroy transport. Hopefully, the Hon. Julie Anne Genter working tirelessly on behalf of the poor (including West Tamaki Makarauans as well of course), will provide everyone with a late model non-polluting electric vehicle. Already quite a high proportion of NZ destitute have taken up this form of transport. Funded by the levies on the polluting ICE vehicles driven mostly by the rich. The only problem is, how will she fund them once there’re no longer any ICE vehicles left? May be by a levy on meat-eaters?
    
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    January 17, 2023 12:04pm
- Ehlana
  
  Unfortunately, we missed the opportunity to put the cities industrial and commercial sites alongside the new motorways, which would have spread them throughout the city. And if we’d developed a decent public transport system parallel to the motorways, then allowed denser housing between the commercial areas and the low density family homes, we might have made a fairly livable city.
  
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  January 17, 2023 3:08pm
Taieri

Professor Baker strikes again:

“A prominent epidemiologist says as the number of Kiwis reinfected with Covid-19 grows, Long Covid could become the leading cause of disability in New Zealand.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/long-covid-could-become-nzs-leading-cause-disability

We are really lucky to have experts of a good professor’s calibre. Zero-Long Covid is a goal well worth pursuing. Perhaps Dr Ardern will take it up as an election issue?
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January 17, 2023 11:47am
- kevn
  
  @Taieri…. But, no mention of adverse reactions to the jab? Often mentioned as ‘long covid’.
  
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  January 17, 2023 12:08pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Baker is one of the main instigators of this insanity, I hope he gets what he deserves. Dickhead.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:49pm
Surely Knott

Modern thinking:

Cultural appropriation is racist and far right.
But Gender appropriation is progressive and cool.

Opposition to immigration and border crossings from other countries is nationalist and far right.
But restricting people to 15 minute city borders is progressive and kind.
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January 17, 2023 11:53am
rouppe

Sad to hear 31 year old CJ Harris has died suddenly.

A heart attack, it seems.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300785997/former-american-idol-contestant-cj-harris-dead-at-31
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January 17, 2023 12:28pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Alot of that coincidental death happening.
  It has doctors ‘baffled’.
  
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  January 17, 2023 12:43pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    ‘Coincidence’ is now a leading cause of death, right behind ‘Unknown cause’
    
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    January 17, 2023 1:06pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Huge elephant in the room dies suddenly
  
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  January 17, 2023 1:00pm
- krazykiwi
  
  25-Year-Old Doctor of Pharmacy Who Ran Multiple “Vaccine” Clinics Dies Suddenly. Further, this chap maintains a weekly global summary of sudden deaths.
  
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  January 17, 2023 1:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Oh, that new affliction, Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. I’ve heard it can be caused by too much heat, or too much cold, or something else. But not the other thing that we never talk about.
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:51pm
bennerg

The government has declared a so called climate emergency. Perhaps there are now other more higher priorities, and as they say, charity begins at home:

1. A roading emergency – a pothole pandemic
2. An education crisis – truancy tornado
3. Lawlessness – a crime wave hurricane
4. Poverty – the whole country is sinking into a financial abyss
5. Confidence – the people of this country do not have faith anymore, in the government, even the opposition.

Above all there is a massive distrust of the attempts to manage our thoughts and information. The “podium of truth” has become the “odium of truth”, as the corruption in media, medicine and policing is now being revealed by payouts, coercion, and greed.

People have been forced to accept an unproven, and now proven to be fatal medical intervention, proclaimed to be safe and effective. Now papers show our government and its officlas knew in advance, yet still went ahead. Secret papers were signed, and scientific research was attempted to be made secret for 76 years.

I have no faith Christopher Luxon will rock the boat, and I’m dsiappoitned that David Seymour made himself complicit. He may be rueing the day he signed on to their corrupt programme, and hopefully at some point will reveal what pressures were brought to bear to get his support.

To all politicians out there, people on the street have their own sources of information now. The Six O’Clock News is now defunct. It cannot be believed, and yes you will still fool some, but anyway with credibility, and the courage and balls to call them out, will find huge support out there.
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January 17, 2023 1:18pm
- Don Beckett
  
  “…… become the “odium of truth”, ”
  
  I think you mean the Odium of Strewth. 🙂
  
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  January 17, 2023 3:46pm
Maggie Pie

We just heard a CityMed ad on the radio offering ‘Vasectomies’ for $3750.00
My partner’s GP operates out of there, and he had his done about seven years ago for $2200.00.

Like he just said…. a far better investment than putting your money into the ‘My-Food-Bag’ IPO.
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January 17, 2023 1:40pm
- Taieri
  
  Any discount for the Community Card holders?
  
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  January 17, 2023 2:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I can do Vasectomies, I have bolt cutters, large ones.
  
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  January 17, 2023 2:37pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Boltcutters might help with a orchiectomy, but not so much a vasectomy.
    
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    January 17, 2023 3:51pm
Surely Knott

Musk thanks BBC for turning their tick to yellow which represents state affiliated media.

Why haven’t RNZ, NZ Herald, Stuff, Spinoff , Disinformation Project done the same? And which NZ media spokespeople are govt affiliated. Are they using the yellow tick.

Twitter definition: ”
State-affiliated media is defined as outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution. Accounts belonging to state-affiliated media entities, their editors-in-chief, and/or their prominent staff may be labeled.”
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January 17, 2023 2:07pm
Alan Wilkinson

A trip to Whangarei dentist makes you despair for the country. The proportion of drivers with barely functional brains is scary. The number who know what to do, when to do it and how to do it (professional truck drivers excepted) is depressingly small. Going down I followed a good driver for twenty minutes just to enjoy the pleasure of good judgement and smooth, safe travel. Then on the way home I felt my brain had been fried behind a pack of zombies. No wonder these people vote idiots into Government.
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January 17, 2023 2:21pm
Tauhei Notts

SLOW JUSTICE
I have been doing family research on the Papers Past site. I discovered that one of my great grand fathers (a widower) died on 13th August 1911. Boring? Yeah. But what got me was that on 25th August 1911 they were able to have an auction of his household contents AND the seven bedroomed house he owned.
Nowadays it takes 14 days for the High Court to return a telephone call.
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January 17, 2023 2:34pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Our experience is it takes a minimum of 12 weeks to process a probate application.
  And, late last year we were advised filed after the begining of December were not being entered into the system until the new year.
  
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  January 17, 2023 4:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden’s documents – guess who CNN blames???
https://billingsreport.com/its-no-surprise-who-cnn-blamed-for-joe-bidens-classified-docs-scandal/
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January 17, 2023 2:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh lookie. 2 downticks! Must be from 2 of the 5 Mikes lurking around here.
  
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  January 17, 2023 3:46pm
  - blue collar
    
    Mike is actually jacinda steveo !
    
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    January 17, 2023 5:37pm
Maggie Pie

As I’ve mentioned before, my partner has one of the most comprehensive collections of Nazi memorabilia in the country.

Included are a number of ‘declassified-documents’ that relate to the whereabouts of Adolf Hitler following WW2. So it comes as no surprise to him finding this report released on twitter….

https://twitter.com/FBNHistory/status/1615012712542621698
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January 17, 2023 3:06pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, there are many docos on YTube about this and some interesting theories, but wasn’t proof in the KGB HQ when it was ransacked after the Soviets folded? Either way Sth America was the refuge of many Nazis and the hunting grounds for Mossad agents.
  
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  January 17, 2023 3:54pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is called being a fantasist.
  
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  January 17, 2023 4:05pm
Swifty

I’ve just been rung by somebody close to me.

They have had cause to hear from a client that they have just been told by a major supplier to Waka Kotahi that they have been unsuccessful in a recent tender for (more) work because Waka Kotahi requires them, the major supplier, to give a percentage of their work to Maori-owned organisations and this latest tender must therefore be awarded to a Maori organisation.

The major supplier said “Sorry, you guys are great but we have to award this work to a Maori firm even though they’re not as good and more expensive.”

I believe this person who called me 100% that this is true and accurate.

This racial discrimination which has crept into New Zealand is morally wrong. It is wrong irrespective of motive and of who it supposedly benefits.

It will benefit only an elite and at the expense of us all and is a perfect mechanism to drive great discord and disharmony between people.

I understand the government now requires ministries and departments to ensure 5% of their procurement to be awarded to Maori organisations. Does anyone really believe this won’t be increased over time by politicians looking for payola from Maori elites and so-called community leaders?

Some people will say that we need policies like this to honour the treaty. What absolute horseshit. What a great lie. The treaty specifically says that Maori will be accorded exactly the same rights as British citizens. Not more rights. Not different rights. Not more privileges or advantages. The same.

This is bad. Really bad.
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January 17, 2023 3:39pm
- than
  
  I saw for myself that someone at my work had to pay to get a translator for a document written in Te Reo even though the document itself could have well been written in English. From what I saw think it had nothing to do with anything Maori either.
  
  This is in the public sector of course.
  
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  January 17, 2023 5:41pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Don’t worry! That giant from Dunedin guy swears National is right on this! They’re gonna repeal it all!
  
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  January 17, 2023 6:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Willie Jackson and Stuart Nash have already been scaling up the 5% Procurement initiative…
  
  A successful Progressive Procurement initiative to diversify government spend on goods and services and increase Māori business engagement with government procurement is getting a further $26 million investment over the next two years.
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/boosting-m%C4%81ori-economy-through-progressive-procurement
  
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  January 17, 2023 6:36pm
- Prince
  
  How will these extra costs be recovered ? More tax ? More debt ? Or more inflation (none of it caused by NZ Govt according to Robertson).
  
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  January 17, 2023 8:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From the comments: Jeffafa? Is he a Kiwi? Wonder who he means….
Our queen Maxima is his daughter, she now works for the same privat nazi organisation WEF & UN.
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January 17, 2023 3:59pm
Maggie Pie

‘ELLERSLIE MAN’ LOL!!

At least the girls from COKO gave it a crack…..

https://twitter.com/clowndownunder/status/1614863938138836993
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January 17, 2023 4:16pm
- Ghost
  
  While most the men stand around watching.
  
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  January 17, 2023 4:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Or running the other way!
    
    Usual suspects of course 🙁
    
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    January 17, 2023 5:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

3 Waters. Is this shit coming to New Zealand?
Your own water bore will have a meter, and you will PAY!
https://thegoptimes.com/what-california-is-doing-to-private-property-owners-is-absolutely-criminal-4/
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January 17, 2023 4:30pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Look at a doco that WAS on TVNZ on Demand called Lords of Water.
  
  It shows what has happened in UK/US/Aus when water is taken out of the Council or Govts hands and goes private.
  
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  January 17, 2023 4:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I saw it on AlJazeera. Seemed to be more about Europe.
    
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    January 17, 2023 4:58pm
- Bridgenag
  
  We already have metered bores……..
  
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  January 17, 2023 4:42pm
  - Its only I
    
    We have a meter on the bore we drilled.
    
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    January 17, 2023 7:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nek minut there will be meters on household rainwater tanks, Brother inlaw has two tanks, 10,000L total. The water fell from the sky. When does this shit stop??
  
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  January 17, 2023 5:03pm
  - blue collar
    
    I can bypass meters steveo ! 👌
    
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    January 17, 2023 5:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, simple plumbing.
      Same as putting in a switch on the fuseboard to bypass hot water restrictions we had years ago. Live to the switch and back to the cylinder wire. Switched it of and on when I wanted to.
      
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      January 18, 2023 9:15am
- Ehlana
  
  If water falls on your land and you capture it in a rainwater tank, you can’t take more than your land receives – if your tanks run dry, you have pay to have water trucked in.
  
  If you put down a well, you are taking water from an underground source. Some of the water in that underground source will have got there by falling on your land, but not all of it. So it would be possible to draw more water from the well than your land contributes to the underground source. Is that something you should have a “right” to do?
  
  Someone taking more than they contribute could lead to a shortage of water for other people using the same underground source, or to subsidence of land and damage to property. It would seem to make sense to require well owners to measure their take, to ensure the continued viability of the resource for all users. I’d imagine a small charge would cover the administrative costs (consultation, collecting, collating, publishing, whatever other measures the group decides on).
  
  But I really can’t see how you would justify charging for the water itself. “Water” charges for town supply are actually not for the water, they are for the costs of collecting, treating and delivering it.
  
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  January 18, 2023 8:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

CONTROL. This silly bitch contradicts herself.
Make parents scared of what will happen to their children? I do hope she does not breed.
https://thegoptimes.com/democrat-strategist-wants-to-make-republicans-fear-for-their-own-kids-lives-7/
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January 17, 2023 4:38pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons ‘Nickel Futures’ are looking bright.

Just saying.
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January 17, 2023 4:58pm
- blue collar
  
  Nickel futures so bright …..
  I gotta wear shades ….
  
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  January 17, 2023 5:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Did u read abot the big fire bc?
    
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    January 17, 2023 6:40pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I’m guessing copper could be a “bet both ways”. Disclaimer: just a hunch.
  
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