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The Redbaiter

Jacinda Ardern was granted an honorary degree by the USA’s ultra-liberal Harvard University. In her acceptance speech and to a standing ovation from the audience, she listed the legislative achievements of her govt, including-

– the banning of conversion therapy
– embedding a 1.5 degree climate change target into law
– banning military style semi-automatics and assault rifles
– the decriminalisation of abortion

On the Today Show, Nats Deputy Leader Nicola Willis was shown the video of Ardern’s speech and asked by host Ryan Bridge “what she made of it”. Willis responded-

“Oh good on her. We all want to see New Zealand on the world stage and some of the laws she is talking about are things that have actually been supported across our parliament and so I think all New Zealanders feel proud when we see ourselves represented overseas.”

Willis defended Arden when she was criticised by David Seymour for not wearing a mask in a photo with 120 youth MPs, saying “I think we just need to give the Prime Minister a break. She’s been wearing her mask around Parliament. She took it off for a moment, I am pretty relaxed about that.”

In late 2021, Willis led bipartisan support for intensification of housing, working with Labour to pass the bill which allowed mass multi-story apartments to be built in residential neighborhoods, thereby creating demographic shifts advantageous to Labour and changing the character of suburbs irreversibly. (protests aginst this bill are growing, see today’s MSM) ACT opposed the bill.

Willis tweeted at the time-

“Oh happy day. New Zealand’s two major political parties are coming together to say an emphatic YES to housing in our backyards. This agreement will deliver more choices for the first-home buyers of tomorrow while enhancing the Right to Build for the home owners of today.”

So all this gives rise to the question- is Ms Willis a temperate, progressive and co-operative politician of the kind we need today, or should she have joined the Labour party instead of National?
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January 16, 2023 8:02am
- Ghost
  
  And why did she defend Ardern for not wearing a mask, perhaps because she would be a hypocrite to speak against it when she herself had been taking photos with people without a mask.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:09am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Ms Willis was an avid mask wearer in public and glared at anyone who didn’t wear one. I know as I was on the receiving end of one of those glares in my supermarket.
    That aside she does have some good qualities but overall I feel she joined National because Labour would not have her, nor would she have fitted into the current party. We have to accept that like all parties National has strayed from its founding principles but overall they are a better choice than the alternative for the vast majority of the country who, rightly, do not give a fig about politics.
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:23am
    - Ghost
      
      When asked whether Willis was just defending Ardern because she had also been photographed maskless posing for photos, Willis said “there is an element of that”.
      
      “I would be a bit of a hypocrite because certainly I’ve posed for photos without my mask on and I probably will do so again.
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/07/national-deputy-leader-nicola-willis-defends-pm-jacinda-ardern-after-maskless-photo-causes-furore.html
      
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      January 16, 2023 8:53am
      - Matt Long
        
        There are some essential things to which public health measures do not apply, like pandering to the vanity of young woman regressive politicians.
        Not the useless stuff like being at the death bed of your parent or child.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:11am
      - pdm
        
        `“I would be a bit of a hypocrite because certainly I’ve posed for photos without my mask on and I probably will do so again.’
        
        Ghost. – I will bet a dollar to a pinch of goat shit that you would not get a straight answer like that from Ardern.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:34am
      - JackRabbit
        
        Ghost
        
        The lack of mask wearing amongst the elite was widespread. Whistle blowers have been coming out and stating that those in front of the camera weer masked, most others were not, and when those in front of the cameras stepped out of view, the masks came off.
        
        And besides, Ardern only started wearing her mask in public quite late in the game. It was after that fact appeared en mass on a number of blogs that her, as the head of state who must have a greater degree of risk prevention, not wearing a mask, was a sure indicator that her team saw the risk of not wearing a mask as close to zero.
        
        In addition:
        [1] There is that video interview early on, with a female doctor, in which that doctor said that the benefits of wearing a mask were small, and that a person was just as likely to pick up the virus through the eyes.
        
        [2] This was well after the initial days when Ardern, spoke daily from the POT (Podium Of Tyranny) stating that spread and infection risk of Covid was akin to the contagion in Resident Evil.
        
        Logically, that being the case, as head of state she should have been in a full oxygen supplied face mas.
        (a) That she wasn’t betrayed her statements.
        
        (b) David Clarke’s actions, as Minister of Health, betrayed his real views, as did the pink haired muppet with the beach incident.
        
        (c) Ardern’s continued non-use of a face mask when stating everyone else must wear one.
        
        [3] During Level 2, if you went into a hospital you had to wear a mask, and it looked as it everyone was wearing them. But behind the scenes out of view of the public, many nursing staff were not wearing them because:
        (a) They did not prevent transmission
        (b) If not removed of and disposed of in a secure disposal container every 15 minutes and replaced, the buildup of pathogens on the masks would result in re-infection.
        
        [4] The entire mask narrative is theatre.
        
        [5] If you replaced mask mandates with wear clean undies on your head while in public, the majority of the woke would comply.
        
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        January 16, 2023 11:38am
      - I remember when
        
        pdm reported in error must be more careful.
        
        Did the government encourage the wearing of masks to
        (a) look like they were in control of the virus
        (b) use masks as a way to prevent those they had terrified from completely losing it.
        
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        January 16, 2023 1:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, you’d often see footage of them putting the masks on for the camera then putting it on. I don’t know anyone that actually religiously wore them, just where you were made to, into the doctor or hospital. Even then the gp would take his off when in his office
        
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        January 16, 2023 2:05pm
    - Simon
      
      Doesnt any National supporter see NZ’s steady decline? Every Labour wrecking ball against NZ society was from a bridgehead established by National.
      
      National aint Labour thats enough is it? Willis and Luxon know well the average National “trust the plan” supporter.
      
      Over the next nine months will National announce a major policy that directly benefits the productive and hard working?
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:04am
  - I remember when
    
    Was it a form of subliminal messaging.
    Personal choice.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:34am
- Colville
  
  Willis is not politically stupid so she knows that to attack Ardern on trivial and personal matters is a vote loser.
  Labour spent 8 years attacking Sir John on every front possible OTHER THAN policy. and they got thumped .
  Luxon has made the change which needed to be made, the National caucus has obviously been drilled to attack the policy and not the person and this is why they will win this election.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:22am
  - Sacha
    
    The trouble I have with Nicola Willis is that I had the same reaction to her as I has when I first heard about the Pfizer vaccines – a sudden high profile appearance on the national media.
    Being a sceptic from way back I need a lot of convincing when my instincts tell me to beware, and thus far I still have a sense of unease..
    Well, it worked with the vaccines, so why not with a politician?
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:56am
    - tf78
      
      According to Barry Soper, (whom I rate) he has known Nicola and her mother for many years and said she’s a good sort and will make a great MP.
      
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      January 16, 2023 3:00pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        tf78 “According to Barry Soper, (whom I rate) ”
        
        Mr Soper has been a far left propagandist all his life. He’s only recently fallen into disagreement with Labour after coming to the realisation that as an “old white man”, he’s persona non grata to the racists and wokists who currently control the party.
        
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        January 16, 2023 6:46pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, something these ACT voters should think about before blabbing on, I note the fool Seymour trying hard last week to lose the Nats centre voters
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:04pm
    - Colville
      
      G.
      I am an ACT voter 🙂
      
      …but I understand that to attack a popular woman will drive women away from the attacker.
      
      Labour are losing votes, all National needs to do at this point is not shoot themselves in the feet!
      
      and yeah…people will say but where is the policy!! National are far better to not have ANY policy as then they cant be held accountable in 2026! because by then Labour might have a credible leader again.(tho I have no idea who it could be)
      
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      January 16, 2023 12:59pm
      - tf78
        
        The Nats have been working on policy for the last five years. They actually work for their salaries when opposition.
        
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        January 16, 2023 3:02pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Okay, but some of them haven’t got a clue, I was one that has give my party vote to Act to help keep them in, I understand not all are foolish
        
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        January 16, 2023 6:24pm
    - leoj
      
      If there is such a thing as blue koolaid, G wants to know here he can buy it.
      Nats are spineless, led by a weak Luxon and an equally weak Willis.
      Yes, they will sleepwalk into power but NZ will be headed on the same path, just slightly slower.
      
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      January 16, 2023 5:27pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Stop talking Labour koolade, you have not got a clue clearly , Nats have been anti most of what is happening in this country, but you say labour lite
        
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        January 16, 2023 6:27pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        Leoj-
        
        [Mod – no need for that sort of comment]
        
        When they’re both pretty much far left.
        
        If you haven’t been educated and/or know nothing of history its pretty easy to fall for this scam. With Labour fully in control of education, its a problem that is widespread, (especially in the far south). Shame really. I do pity the unknowing victims.
        
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        January 16, 2023 8:52pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Colville, Emotions win elections, not facts!
    
    As long as policies are expressed with lots of emotions and not just as rah rah “”facts”” then National will do well.
    
    So policy to reverse the 3 waters debacle should be expressed not as reversing labours decision.
    But as
    returning control of water to those who use and need it and want control over their lives.
    
    Labour are going the fact based route.
    It will allow better water etc etc
    
    Same with public broadcasting.
    
    Put all broadcasting subsidies in one SMALLER basket to save money Including all maori, Concert program etc etc.
    
    Not extra spending over 10 years. Recognizing the influence of the internet etc etc
    
    It is a fact that Legacy media, (TV,Radio, Newspapers etc) are slowly fading away.
    
    Cant put my hand on the source at the moment, but apparently most under 30 get their information via the Internet. Don’t watch TV, Radio and certainly don’t read Newspapers.
    
    So splashing cash on Goatmeat owned legacy media is an absolute waste of money!!!!!!!!!
    
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    January 16, 2023 2:36pm
    - Colville
      
      I disagree.
      Keys ” show me the money” was a fact based turning point that won an election.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:11pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Do you really want another three years of a Labour government Red?
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:33am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Must do – yesterday’s little effort was a repeat of a few days ago without his advertising link.
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:42am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    I’m concerned that in their intense dislike of the Ardern govt, voters are going to give the most far left version of the National party that has ever existed too much power.
    
    I want to see change in NZ’s far left Venezuelan/Zimbabwe style trajectory. It won’t come under the current National Party.
    
    I would like to see citizens vote ACT (or even other minor parties) with the objective of keeping far left/ progressive National under control.
    
    I’m not even a fan of ACT, but something just has to be done about the green left- progressive takeover of the Nat party.
    
    You Tony, and other two tick blue fanatics would be telling us to vote for the Nats even if they made Jacinda their leader.
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:47am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      A few days ago Wayne Mapp clarified for me his thoughts on National’s prospective policy priorities:
      
      “In my view a programme something like the following.
      
      A roll back of all the employment law changes. Substantially improving the RMA. Significant tax reductions, probably around $3 billion. A major infrastructure programme, especially around 4 lane roads. An effective freeze on the public sector. Over time that will reduce their size. Substantial criminal law reform. A major roll back of co-governance, though not a complete end of it. Presumably changes in education, though I suspect Act will get that portfolio. Much more accountability for new and existing programmes across the board, by people who actually know what that means.”
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      It is hardly inspiring. A ‘sinking lid’ on the public service will be a disaster. The no hopers will NEVER leave. It is no way to deal with the nightmare of thousands of public servants who are not needed.
      
      On education, there needs so be major reform. It is a national emergency. What is National proposing?
      
      What are they going to do on resource management? Just “improving” the RMA ? What does that mean?
      
      What about the welfare system?
      
      I could go on and on and on.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:21am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Just an addendum – Wayne predicts “Significant tax reductions, probably around $3 billion. ”
        
        That is about 3.8 percent of Crown revenue!!!! Given what has happened over the last 5 years a new Government should easily be able to reduce spending by 10 percent over three years, and 20 percent over 6 years. It could be more, much more, but debt servicing costs have skyrocketed.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:29am
      - Nickc2
        
        What, no mention of 3Waters. Maori Health Authority, and Media Amalgamation?
        Have these issues been painted over?
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:32am
      - Cassandra
        
        It’s a start, BY, and with ACT hard at work pushing, we’ll get a huge improvement. Unlikely to change Waikato river management and Tuhoe will be a struggle (so?) but co-governance will get the push. Maori wads will be difficult but then so was Everest. I saw “wads” and decided to leave Freud alone.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:47am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Benedict,
        20% reduction government spending in 6 years. That would be about $25 billion, and would result in a substantially smaller government than when National was last in power. I reckon about 25% of GDP, compared to about 29% back in 2017. I call that unrealistic. You would have to severely cut into core government services (health, education, policing, Nat Super) to get that result. It is comparable to US government spend. For instance I don’t think many New Zealanders would be fans of health being substantially private. This would not be something that National would surrender to Act on, not unless they want to be a one term government
        Obviously my list wasn’t anywhere near complete. For instance National has said no to Three Waters. Social investment as per Bill English’s ideas would be a priority.
        
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        January 16, 2023 11:19am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Some leave Ben, depends who their boss is. I was unlucky enough to spend some time consulting in a few Government departments. One of the roles I did ended up with me running finance for a major department. A guy used to come in at 7, get his breakfast and eat it while reading the paper. For about an hour and a half. He then would leave early (glide time stuff). One afternoon he was packing up to leave and I asked him where he was going. He said he started early at 7, so was heading off early. Nope, I said, eating your breakfast and reading the paper doesn’t count as starting, you started at 8.30 so sit your arse down and get on with it. He left within the month. To another Government Dept!!!
        
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        January 16, 2023 11:25am
      - cmm
        
        Wayne, there is always this threat that if you cut taxes then that will hurt core services.
        
        I think you’re missing the point. What the people asking for cutting taxes are after is first cutting the ridiculous spending first which we see all around us (eg. the recent $500k on consultants for putting in a pedestrian crossing, the tens of millions spent on consultants for the canned bike bridge,…).
        
        But no, the government (of all stripes) does not seem to think about these massive spends on consultants etc. The first thing you all threaten is cutting nurses etc.
        
        Government spending has mainly got out of hand because government departments are not motivated to stick with their core functions (ie, providing education, health or whatever), but are motivated to spend up on the frilly bits: poi-waving etc.
        
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        January 16, 2023 11:28am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Nope, I said, eating your breakfast and reading the paper doesn’t count as starting, you started at 8.30 so sit your arse down and get on with it. ”
        
        I have had similiar experiences in the public sector. The effective, hard working staff know who these people are. That is why a ‘sinking lid’ approach to reducing the public service numbers is such a terrible idea. Managing these people out using under-performance mechanisms takes forever and sucks the life out of managers.
        
        Wayne Mapp’s idea of an effective recruitment freeze is also a terrible idea. Take Treasury and the RBNZ. They are going to need to be rebuilt by recruiting competent staff – lots of them – and getting rid of the staff who drank the ‘wellbeing’ and ‘Maori world view’ cool aid.
        
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        January 16, 2023 11:37am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Benedict
        How on earth does a government sack people because of their “Māori world view”. It is simply not possible, as I am sure you well know. Litigation forever would be the result, including injunctions.
        The only way to sack large numbers of public servants and crown employees, is to disestablish the department they work in. Labour sort of did that with MoW, NZ Rail and NZ Post. Much easier to do with commercially focussed entities as opposed to the public service as such. I know Kiwibloggers will name the usual departments to be disestablished, but these only employ a couple of hundred people, out of the about 60,000 in the public service. I would note that number excludes teachers, health workers, police, corrections, NZDF and no doubt some others.
        I mention the sinking lid approach because that was how it was largely done by Bolger/Shipley and Key/English.
        I would note that when I established the Ministry of Science and Innovation, we made all the staff from the precursor agencies (FORST and Ministry of Research) reapply. There was about 10% fewer staff in the new ministry. It is only when you disestablish Ministries and establish new ones that you can do that. Renaming an existing ministry is not enough. It has to actually have at least some new functions. So I actually have some direct experience in doing exactly what you suggest.
        But could it be done to the entire public service? I think not. You would have to pick the areas where a fundamental change was required.
        Probably MBIE would a good place to start. Disaggregate, and then have somewhat different functions in the new ministries. Make people apply for the positions in the new ministries.
        
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        January 16, 2023 1:41pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Wayne of course you don’t sack people for their Maori world views. You restructure the organisation so it is fit for purpose. You then have a competitive process for appointment to the available positions. Honestly why do I even need to explain this to you? Your ‘sinking lid’ approach is utter madness.
        
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        January 16, 2023 2:01pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Just an addendum. Take 2 examples. The Ministry for the Environment and Kàinga Ora. The first will need to have its staff cut by 50 percent. The latter will be abolished.
        
        If there are barriers to doing this effectively change the damn law. Otherwise by 2026 the National government will be a slightly more efficient Ardern government. And FFS quoting how Jenny Shipley did stuff. So what?
        
        Anyway as usual I am wasting my time.
        
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        January 16, 2023 2:07pm
      - artemisia
        
        People keep talking about dead wood and poor performers in the public service. No argument from me on that, but first look at the managers. They are accountable for their outcomes, and if their staff are not delivering then what are the managers doing about it.
        
        And talking of outcomes, they come with budgets of course, and outcomes thus budgets can be ‘renegotiated’ by instruction from Ministers.
        
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        January 16, 2023 5:26pm
      - Simon Arnold
        
        Just some institutional memory, back in the early 1980s I was in the then State Services Commission with oversight for what was called efficiency and economy in a third of the then public service. In those days we administered the sinking lid policy that contrary to the discussion above was designed to incrementally shift resources from low priority functions to higher priority i.e. no need to throw all the cards up in the air, although that remained an option.
        
        It was 5% p.a. if my memory serves me correctly.
        
        While there is a tendency to blame functional creep for organisations getting flabby, don’t knock incentives that encourage doing more (or as much) with less.
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:14pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Wayne Mapp – how does a government sack people for having a Maori worldview?
        
        Sacking is difficult, but here are some steps to getting the public service cleaned up:
        
        1. Remove all requirements that this government have put in job advertisements, job descriptions, performance objectives, and department KPI’s based on believing in and promoting the principal of partnership under the TOW.
        
        2. Add to all the above the requirements to believe in and promote the principal of democracy, one person, one vote, and serving all NZers to the best of their ability.
        
        Then performance manage to ensure those results are achieved.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:25pm
    - I remember when
      
      “You Tony, and other two tick blue fanatics would be telling us to vote for the Nats even if they made Jacinda their leader.”
      Yes, right after they make wearing masks compulsory.
      Vaccine passports.
      Complusory RAT tests.
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What utter bullshit, Nats are anti 3 waters, anti the Māori health authority, anti separatist services too a few, for one vote for all including Māori seperate seats on councils against many councils will. They have stated they will give us more of our own money back, and not just the threshold adjustments, they have vowed to stop labours wasted expenditures, and they have their sights on cutting bureaucrats, if you don’t want that ffs, you are going to end up with Ardern again, enjoy the damage the Greens will force on Ardern
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:15pm
  - Simon
    
    Vote ACT. NZ need regime change to get away from this awful Labour / National axis of stupid govt worship. The ever expanding state at great cost with ever diminishing & remote returns.
    
    The govt system is failing it needs reform. Luxon & National think if they can run things properly but the whole govt structure is too heavy for the productive to carry and is now just harming social cohesion.
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:52am
    - Jimbob
      
      Key and English did research on the general political leanings of NZder’s, they found that it was left of centre. Hence the policies they used. If they didn’t they would never be voted in. That is why they are happy with ACT, so they have an excuse to move more to the right.
      The polls are reflecting this. Why are people panicking, barring an event, Ardern is gone.
      
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      January 16, 2023 12:10pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        No event will save her now
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:21pm
    - Swifty
      
      We could eliminate whole ministries, whole functions, and the average NZer in the street wouldn’t notice a thing.
      
      Essential public services my arse.
      
      New Zealand flourished without half the governmental functions which exist today, but suddenly these functions are apparently vital to our well-being and society would crumble if these functions were touched.
      
      If you believe that you’ll believe anything.
      
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      January 16, 2023 1:12pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Swifty. I support that.
        I was running a region of the previous Business Development Baord (Under Ministry of commerce).
        Max Bradford(National) Canned it just as I was thinking of resigning 🙂 in the late 90s.
        
        Much wailing and nashing of teeth by those getting Governmnet Handouts and those involved(staff loosing jobs).
        
        Overall. Generally nobody noticed it was gone.
        The world didnt end.
        But I did get a nice redundancy payout 🙂
        
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        January 16, 2023 2:47pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Just look at the Ministry for the Environment. In 2017 it had about 270 staff. Now it is more than 1,100.
        
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        January 16, 2023 5:25pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “We could eliminate whole ministries, whole functions, and the average NZer in the street wouldn’t notice a thing.”
        
        Another reason I am so opposed to Wayne Mapp’s idea that the next government will make nobody redundant and allow natural attrition to reduce head count through a hiring freeze.
        
        It us utter madness. To repeat my comment elsewhere in the thread, many agencies will need to recruit competent staff to service the incoming Government. Look at RBNZ – lost many of its key economists to be replaced by “communications” staff. How the hell are they going to fix that if they can neither hire new people or sack existing people? I find it frustrating that I need to make such obvious points yet get arguments about it being to hard. Swallow that and you will just get a (slightly) more efficient socialist government. Thanks a bunch.
        
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        January 16, 2023 5:30pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The building that now houses the VUW Law School was once known as Government Building because it hosted the entire NZ public service head office. Admittedly this was some time ago; but its location across the road from Parliament should be motivational for National & ACT.
        
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        January 16, 2023 6:58pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    Do you really want another three years of a Labour government…..
    
    If National gets electected without a strong showing from ACT, that’s exactly what you will get.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:07am
    - The Redbaiter
      
      Well said my friend. Exactly it.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:20am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Not from What the Nats are saying, most dangerous Labour policy will be gone, I can’t understand why so called intelligent people can’t see it
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:24pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Because of National’s track record. We can’t stand Labour but we can’t trust National.
        
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        January 16, 2023 8:46pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        Not from What the Nats are saying,…..
        
        Listen carefuly, National have already gone from ‘We will rerpeal 3 waters”“to we will ensure that water remains under local control” so now not specifically ruling out maori control.
        Watch and listen carefuly the closer to the election the more the utterings will change.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:58pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They have ruled out Māori ownership with 3 waters FFS, there will be no separatist services, out of Luxons mouth, how about listening instead of doing Acts dirty politics
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:30pm
  - cmm
    
    We have to have an oscillation between Labour and National to keep pushing the Overton Window to the left.
    
    You can think of Labour being the left post of the window and National being the right post, with the two joined by a rope (the length of which defines allowed/accepted discourse).
    
    Labour gets in. They pull the pole as far as they can to the left, straining the rope to breaking point. Eventually they can’t go any further left.
    
    National now takes over. They move their post left too. Not quite as far as where Labour is, but a lot further left than where they used to be. They keep moving left, but they can’t go into Labour’s “turf”.
    
    Then Labour gets into power again, the rope has a lot of slack in it so Labour can move left again…..
    Rinse and repeat, on and on….
    
    The only way to break this cycle is to hammer in a peg that stops this movement. Maybe that is ACT?
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They have to straddle the centre or this country stays hard left, do not forget the greens will have considerable clout over Labour
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You would think so, i said a while back he is in the red team and a blue baiter
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:05pm
- peterwn
  
  If National swings to the right and pays excessive attention to its so called ‘founding principles’, then it can kiss goodbye to winning this years election.
  One has to wonder whether Redbaiter is a left wing plant.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:36am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Thanks for the smile Peter.
    
    A guy who has cheered for National’s “progressive” slide election after election warns someone else may be a left wing plant.
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:52am
    - Yabster
      
      I intend to vote ACT- have voted National all my life- yes lets get rid of this socialist, incometent rabble- but I too am concerned the “centre” has moved to the left over the years- it needs to move right!
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:21am
      - Cassandra
        
        Precisely, Yabs. Thatcher and Blair moved the centre. It’s called leadership.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That is where I am going. National is plainly Labour Lite.
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:22am
      - I remember when
        
        Has the centre moved to the ‘left’ over the years because that’s were the ‘centre’ is now.
        Clearly it is what their research has told the political partys in their search for votes.
        Has a major reason for the shift been that international companies now provide many of the major employment opportunities.
        Is the end result a return to a form of the old employer versus the worker type thinking.
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:26am
      - mawm
        
        Yabster – I wouldn’t call ACT right at all despite the press labelling them as such.
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:55am
      - Yabster
        
        Mawm- I don’t agree with some of ACT’s policies but from what I acan see they represent my views better than National – some of the minor parties also have good centre right policies but probably won’t make it into parliament. ie ACT for me is the best on offer currently- after all they are all politicians!
        
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        January 16, 2023 11:36am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well you talk the same shit as the Labour bots on other sites
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:27pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Are you saying Peter that unless National is indistinguishable from Labour we’ll get another Labour government?
    What exactly is the point of another Labour government with different signage?
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:20am
    - Sparrow
      
      In my ” umble” opinion the next election will be decided on who the public thinks is the most competent. Ideology of the left or right does not come into it. I know KB bloggers enjoy discussing all the in’s and out’s of politics but frankly the vast majority of the population are not interested in the nitty gritty. Arden won in 2020 because people felt she had handled covid competently. This election will be about back pocket economics and who can manage that the best. Whether Nicola Willis is too far right or left people could not care a shit.
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “If National swings to the right and pays excessive attention to its so called ‘founding principles’, then it can kiss goodbye to winning this years election.”
    
    No – it is up to Governments to lead and persuade people of the need for change. I keep coming back to education. It IS an emergency. Yet National says very little on the subject. What are they going to do to fix the schooling system and the Ministry of Education? New Zealand will be totally screwed if this is not fixed. National has a terrible track record. Nikki Kaye and Hekia Parata were every bit as bad as Education Ministers as Chris Hipkins.
    
    It was Nikki Kaye who gave us “modern leaning environments” – ‘open plan’ large classrooms.
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/134m-more-modern-learning-environments
    
    OIA requests have revealed that this policy was delivered without ANY evidence that it would improve education outcomes.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:35am
    - kevn
      
      @BY… Lots of parent are alarmed at the state of education in NZ.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yet half the parents let their kids wag school
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:29pm
    - Cassandra
      
      Vouchers, bulk funding, Cambridge standards. Simple. Plus penalties for truancy.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:51am
      - burt
        
        We can’t use Cambridge standards, they don’t make special allowance for different racial groups because they are only about assessment rather than social engineering.
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:25am
      - peterwn
        
        Problem is – the teachers unions are too well entrenched. They will bitterly oppose policies like bulk funding, grants to independent schools, education vouchers etc. And like the Firefighters Union they can rally and swing public opinion. National will do what it can has to be realistic in the circumstances. Remember how in the 1990’s the National Government at the instigation of the (then) Business Round Table tried to rationalise the fire service (eg three firefighters on an appliance instead of the traditional four) and crashed out badly in the face of adverse public opinion and that was another nail in the coffin for National in 1999.
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:55am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      But it was cheaper and easier for teachers, so there is that. Sorry about the kids, but hey, mass education was never about the needs of children.
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:06am
      - Yabster
        
        “Teachers”- is there a more socialist, woke rabble out there?- I would be ashamed to admit I was a teacher.
        
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        January 16, 2023 11:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      Benedict, and where is the outrage and urgency from National? It appears their urban liberal leadership is comfortable with the direction of the country.
      Benedict Yu for Prime Minister.
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:09am
    - artemisia
      
      In the country of the blind …. We as parents have an opportunity to make sure our children are not blind. The effort is worth it.
      
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      January 16, 2023 11:50am
    - Colville
      
      BY
      I was taught in the modern large format classroom in about 1975..in Berhampore..!
      I don’t think Willis can be blamed.!
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:18pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    The only “founding principle” National has had in teh last 50 years is clinging to power by whatever means necessary – same as Labour.
    
    The only way this will change NZs direction is if ACT hold enough of the balance to go into Govt either way, so as to get as much of their agenda through as possible.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:14am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I can just see peterwn being horrified at someone in National saying something like the following, in the context of NZ:
    
    At the level of principle, rhetorically and in Opposition, it opposed these (left-wing Labour Party doctrines of planning, regulation, controls and subsidies) … and preached the gospel of free enterprise with very little qualification.
    
    Almost every post-war Tory victory had been won on slogans such as ‘Britain Strong and Free’ or ‘Set the People Free’. But in the fine print of policy, and especially in government, the Tory Party merely pitched camp in the long march to the left. It never tried seriously to reverse it. Privatization? The Carlisle State Pubs were sold off. Taxation? Regulation? Subsidies? If these were cut down at the start of a Tory government, they gradually crept up again as its life ebbed away. The welfare state? We boasted of spending more money than Labour, not of restoring people to independence and self-reliance.
    
    The result of this style of accommodationist politics, as my colleague Keith Joseph complained, was that post-war politics became a ‘socialist ratchet’ — Labour moved Britain towards more statism; the Tories stood pat; and the next Labour Government moved the country a little further left. The Tories loosened the corset of socialism; they never removed it.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:16am
    - peterwn
      
      It is not that simple. For example National wanted to amend RMA to make it easier for house building including allowing for more intensive development. Now many potential National and ACT supporters (not to mention many Labour and Green supporters) were opposed to that because of NIMBY. John Key could have pulled this off except he was reliant on one of the Dunne or Peters parties for support (or even one Labour or Green MP who was prepared to cross the floor). So it did not happen.
      Many commenters here need to look at it the way that Chris Luxon, Nicola Willis and Chris Bishop have to look at things. Their objective is for National to win the next election and they are the three main players (Chris is National’s campaign manager). They need to do what is realistic, not adhere to ancient ‘founding principles’, nor to their personal philosophies.
      
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      January 16, 2023 11:08am
      - The Redbaiter
        
        peterwn- “ancient ‘founding principles’”
        
        Principles do not change over time, and the assertion that they do is completely absent of intellectual underpinning. (Which is why it is parroted by the likes of Chris Bishop.)
        
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        January 16, 2023 4:57pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I am pretty sure Key only needed Seymour over RMA, but he crossed the floor
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:32pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No, he needed either Peters or Dunne, because the Maori Party refused to support it.
        
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        January 16, 2023 8:05pm
  - Taieri
    
    If National swings to the right and pays excessive attention to its so called ‘founding principles’, then it can kiss goodbye to winning this years election
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    So, if they don’t pay attention to their “founding principles”, what’s the point in voting for them?
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:13am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Taieri:
      And what principles are they going to pay attention to then?
      
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      January 16, 2023 11:50am
    - peterwn
      
      Anything would be better than the current mob.
      
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      January 16, 2023 1:09pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        “Anything would be better than the current mob.”
        
        The left wing infiltrators in National and the Labour party moles in social media have been saying this very thing for ever. It is exactly why we have ended up where we are today.
        
        And why, if we continue to be swayed by such obviously subversive propaganda, we will end up in a far worse place in the future. Time to confront such damn destructive idiocy.
        
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        January 16, 2023 4:01pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Peterwn – no disagreement, almost anything is better than the current government. But that isn’t really the position is it? In the vote for change the choice is who do we put into power? Ultimately, how much of the Government is to be National and how much is to be ACT?
        
        National might very well try to stay more left of centre to soak up the vote shed from Labour. The mood of the nation is for change and right of centre voters want to see the pendulum swing back further right. Neither party are conservative on values, so those voters again are not served by any of the current parties in the house. So that leaves the door open for a small party to come into the scene – but it’s unlikely – unless they can get a leader with celebrity and funding organised soon.
        
        Based on the Nats trying to appeal to a bigger group left of centre they will bleed some of their longer term voters to ACT – they probably won’t get them back if ACT do a good job. It’s a risky strategy longer term as the Nats won’t hold the traditional labour voter once the disgruntlement of the current term is forgotten. So their play to go left of centre may be clever at the moment but it means they will get hurt longer term.
        
        The big winner from this mood for change is ACT. If Seymour plays his cards right, and given his relative youth, the day could come in the next 10 – 15 years where ACT are the major party in a coalition with National, and Seymour is PM.
        
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        January 16, 2023 6:45pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, those principles changed with MMP, ACT was to take the hard right, Nats to take the centre
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:06pm
    - Swifty
      
      Anyone who refers to ACT as hard or far-right is either ignorant of the meaning of the words or a plain leftie political hack.
      
      The majority of ACT’s positions today are similar if not the same as mainstream opinion just 20 or 30 years ago, perhaps even less.
      
      To call ACT far-right thereby hinting that they are extreme, and akin to Nazis is just a blatant naked political slur. They are nothing of the sort.
      
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      January 16, 2023 1:22pm
      - Yabster
        
        yep totally agree- ACT are not hard right or as the media refers to anyone that is not left -“holds far right views” – complete b/s.
        
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        January 16, 2023 2:39pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I am being flippant, I know they are not much right of centre, but I am speaking to fools that think Act is Alt right
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:34pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Peterwn: “If National swings to the right and pays excessive attention to its so called ‘founding principles’, then it can kiss goodbye to winning this years election.”
    
    If National swings to the left while pretending to be conservative, and pays excessive attention to winning over the swinging woketards, then it just again paves the way for the wreckers’, whingers’ and posers’ party to again rapidly degrade NZ next time they get in.
    
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    January 16, 2023 4:23pm
- Its only I
  
  Perhaps a bluebaiter rather than a red?
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:41am
  - GBC
    
    Whatever the colour he’s certainly a master
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:56am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Master of baiting
      
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      January 16, 2023 12:25pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Going the high road there G?
        
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        January 16, 2023 4:24pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Baiting the Reds in National who unfortunately seem to have the ascendency at present.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, there are NINOs in National. Almost convinced Luxon is a NINO.
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This nonsense is yet more reason to give my Candidate and Party vote to ACT.
  National IS Labour Lite.
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    A Candidate vote for ACT is the same as voting Labour, well bloody done
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I am in Upper Harbour. I don’t think ACT will have a candidate. What do you suggest G?
      
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      January 16, 2023 2:08pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You bloody said you would candidate vote for ACT, they will have a candidate, but those votes will be wasted, the present MP for Upper Habour is another rainbow Māori who is there to appease the gaggle
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:37pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        G, Vanushi Walters is Sri Lankan
        
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        January 17, 2023 9:06am
    - Sideoiler
      
      A Candidate vote for ACT is the same as voting Labour, well bloody done
      
      Do you seriously think the electorate will vote National into government to govern alone?
      You won’t see a single party government again in your life time, particularly after this shower of shite.
      
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      January 16, 2023 2:46pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        With all of the money and great properties on the Shore and Upper Harbour, I just don’t know how we ended up with Vanushi Walters from Labour.
        I have never seen her, she is not a visible MP! Another trougher?
        You are right Sideoiler, the stronger Party will butter up the other coalition Party.
        Fuck! This MMP is shit! We did not know the consequences when MMP was introduced. The whole system of proportional representation has been abused by both the left and right. Then those in between with Party Votes get to be ‘Kingmakers’
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:08pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        No I don’t ffs, but ACT will never win another electorate outside Epsom so you may as well vote Labour, because it helps useless MPs sneak back in
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:39pm
      - Sideoiler
        
        @ Steve Otto
        
        Fuck! This MMP is shit! We did not know the consequences when MMP was introduced. The whole system of proportional representation has been abused by both the left and right. Then those in between with Party Votes get to be ‘Kingmakers’
        
        Don’t forget that what we currently have is essentialy a FPP single party government, while MMP is not ideal it is the only handbrake on the power that the state can wield.
        Until the BORA is entrenched it is the only handbrake we have.
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:12pm
    - peterwn
      
      Candidate votes for ACT could have cost National West byelection – fortunately National got solid support from the electorate, Wellington Central Greens understand things pretty well – they vote Robbo to keep the Nats out. If they voted two ticks Green the Nat candidate would win.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:40pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        There will be close seats where Nats will need all support, ACT two ticks voters may as well vote Labour
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:38pm
- Theflip
  
  Apart from a weak promise to get rid of 3 waters I would suggest the upcoming National government are every bit as bad as Labour. Seymour is part of the same globalist regime. Ridding ourselves of the current sludge of bottom dwellers will just see them replaced with a new batch of slime. If the past few years hasn’t shown us that for representatives we have a bunch of shivers looking for a spine to go down, I don’t know what you have been watching.
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:31am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Theflip – “Seymour is part of the same globalist regime.”
    
    Are you able to add some context to this please? What globalist organisation’s is he affiliated to?
    
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    January 16, 2023 6:50pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Weak? They have billboards up in several places around the country, they want to dump Māori health authority, they want rid of separatist services, they want one vote for all, time you started listening, because you are full of shit
    
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    January 16, 2023 7:42pm
- Philview
  
  Red,
  The problem is even after all the dirty tricks over 3 Waters and discussions on Co-Governance, economic problems, crime explosion etc it has barely shifted the dial with National/Act just ahead in the polls. New Zealand’s political centre is way to the left and I don’t believe many people are interested in a shift to the right at this time. 10 months of friendly headlines coming and Labour will be back in contention.
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    Imagine if National were able to crystalise the issues in the public mind and communicate a rational compassionate vision for change.
    Would their polling still be in the doldrums?
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:58am
    - peterwn
      
      How in National to communicate? The media has 55 million reasons not to be a communication conduit for National.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:41pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, and fools that parrot the hatred to Nats are only helping undecided voters to vote Labour green
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:31pm
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Philview- “New Zealand’s political centre is way to the left”
    
    Yes, we know this, and people keep saying it ad infinitum, without ever addressing the question of how it got this way.
    
    The answer is simple. No one has stood up and argued for ideas and principles that counter this drift. No one.
    
    Name me one politician in NZ that has stood up and made the strong counter argument like Nigel Farage in the UK, who won Brexit when every other political party , the media and academia were against it, or like Ron Desantis, who said Florida was where the woke and communists “go to die”. He won re-election with a 20 point margin.
    
    Of course the population will drift left when no one is offering or making a counter argument. No one is offering a different direction.
    
    The whining compromisers we call right wing politicians in NZ are just a pathetic disgrace. Simpering little pretenders who wouldn’t know real right wing ideas if they smacked them in the face.
    
    They can’t make the argument, so why should anyone vote for them?
    
    “New Zealand’s political center is way to the left…..!!!” Of course it friggin well is, because they aren’t given any other options.
    
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    January 16, 2023 4:25pm
- KH
  
  Very happy for Nicola Willis to agree with PM Ardern on some occasions.
  Determining your view as always – every time – opposed to what the other guys policy is, is about the most stupid way of deciding your view.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:17am
  - Ghost
    
    Also posting little bits with no context to push an agenda
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The media mongrels set a trap for Willis, she was waiting for it, and knew not to rubbish Ardern
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:33pm
- Liberty
  
  Redbaiter
  There is going to be a Act/National government. The question is how big a majority.
  So finding faults in National ( we all know there is plenty) is counterproductive.
  Diehard National supporters also have to accept they need like-minded ACT.
  The enemy is Labour, Green, and toxic NZF
  It would be more productive to aim your venom there.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Unless he is a leftie plant, which looks more than likely
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:34pm
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Liberty- “So finding faults in National ( we all know there is plenty) is counterproductive.”
    
    My friend, I can’t help but wonder if you have a rather inappropriate user name. Perhaps “Tyranny” would be far more suitable/ accurate.
    
    See graphic of NZ political spectrum here, with particular attention to limits of discussion-
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlstY89aYAkwk_f?format=jpg&name=medium
    
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    January 16, 2023 5:32pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No you don’t find faults in National you fool, that’s the problem, you openly shou your hatred towards them
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:48pm
  - peterwn
    
    Do not count your chickens before they hatch. Chris, Nicola and Bish will be taking nothing for granted.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:43pm
Frank the tank

On reflection Biden’s holding of classified documents is much worse than Trump. Career politician that should know better versus businessman whose previous occupation requires the storage and keeping of documentation for tax and regulatory requirements.

It doesn’t exonerate Trump however Biden with +30yrs experience should have known better therefore one can only surmise that it was deliberate.

Odds on we will have another impeachment hearing in the Senate before this time next year with Biden’s re-election chances in tatters.

Newsom vs DeSantis becoming more likely with each day.
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- All_on_Red
  
  I doubt they will impeach him.
  Investigate his corruption-yes
  Destroy his reputation-yes
  But Harris would be worse, and everyone knows that.
  Besides I don’t think even Independent Senators, Manchin and Synimer would vote for impeachment anyway
  They will impeach the DHS guy Majorkis though
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:49am
- Pavel
  
  Biden has been a politician for over 50 years. He was elected a senator in 1972. Been in politics all his life. Before becoming president the most he’s been paid is 239k a year as vice president, 172k as a senator. He also owns 3 mansions and has his own private jet to fly him around and would of had to of worked and saved every cent for the last 572 years to afford it.
  As for the documents thing, a VP doesn’t have the authority to declassifiy documents, unlike the President.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:36am
  - RichardX
    
    Search engines are a handy tool if you are looking for facts to supports claims;
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact-check-biden-amassed-wealth-through-speaking-and-book-profits/5981003002/
    
    It helps when the individual in question voluntarily releases his tax return showing the sources of his income.
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:17am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Lol
      Guess Joe did well out of Hunter paying rent of $59,000 per month for Joes house.
      A House worth about $2m
      Source is a declaration Hunter made when he applied for credit.
      More than one way to hide income. That’s what you say about Trump- right?
      Even after we have seen his Tax returns, and his Presidential Disclosures.
      You guys are so dumb.
      
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      January 16, 2023 12:39pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Word is, a fourth batch of classified documents has been found in Biden’s possession – the axe is falling.
        
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        January 16, 2023 1:15pm
  - Philview
    
    Someone told me the other day that Joe Biden was born closer in years to Abe Lincoln’s inauguration than his own. I checked afterwards and not quite right but close. It does show how old he is though.
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:39pm
Inandout

I never fully understood how the US political system works and Matt Gaetz gives an interesting take on Timcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2dgVuS2QY
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January 16, 2023 8:10am
Benedict Yu

This does not sit right with me.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300783189/aviation-authority-hired-second-person-linked-to-farright-group-action-zealandia

Julie Ann Genter on a crusade to stop government agencies employing people with “far right” views. There is nothing in this article that suggests that he engages in illegal activity.

This guy may well hold views I find repugnant, but unless he is inciting violence he should be allowed to express these views.

The problem with folk like JAG is that they can be encouraged by success in their witch hunts. Those witch hunts can then be extended to hounding out of employment ‘climate change deniers’, people who refuse to use correct pronouns, and a myriad of other ‘extreme right wing’ views as defined by Julie Ann Genter.
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January 16, 2023 8:14am
- artemisia
  
  How about people with ‘far left’ views? Are they Ok? Or should applicant’s views be scrutinised in depth in case they have been recorded inciting ‘comrades’?
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:20am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    I can answer that one.
    
    No they aren’t.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:24am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yep artemsia, if Government agencies were stopped from employing anyone from the far left, Labour would have no one in parliament and swathes of public servants would be down the road. Waaaaaaiiit…….
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:28am
  - Mobile Michael
    
    Did the Green Party ever condemn the far-left activists caught up in Operation Eight? For instance, Valerie Morse was an officer of Zero Waste New Zealand until last year, which got substantial funding from the Ministry for the Environment and Auckland Council.
    
    Action Zealandia are scum, but then so are the hard-left activists who reportedly were training for an armed insurrection.
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:14pm
- alloytoo
  
  The problem is that JAG has an army of Social Justice beneficiaries who have nothing better to do than did up this shit on her behalf.
  
  Conservatives are, in the main, to busy working to pay for these leaches on society.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:27am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Is action zealandia actually “far right”? What does “far right” actually mean? Whenever I hear these blanket generalizations I simply assume it is a standard scary catchphrase for “other” or anyone not part of our tribe? Just replace “far right” with “Juden” every time you hear it, and the meaning and purpose become very clear.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:29am
  - Debsta
    
    Spot on Nigel.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:02am
  - Pavel
    
    Someone remind her that Hitler led the National Socialist German Workers Party. He was a lefty through and through, like Mussolini and Stalin.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:21am
- The Redbaiter
  
  Stuff “journalist” James Halpin should report on the real news pertaining to such events and that is that far left/ communist groups like NZ’s own version of Antifa, are hunting down people like Mr Fairburn and making their lives as miserable as they can.
  
  These Antifa like groups also contain people who were associated with the Urewera terrorist movement of 2007 and members of the defunct NZ Communist party.
  
  They have made claims they are working with academics and media, some of Ardern’s new spy agencies and even the NZ Security Intelligence Service.
  
  Outrageous really. Mr Halpin needs to do some investigative work and find out who these people are, if they are indeed working with such govt funded media and academic organisations and especially if they are receiving govt funding.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:30am
- pdm
  
  BY – Genter gives no credence to the fact that he may have been the best qualified person (academically and by on job experience) for the position.
  
  Would have been much better in Genters eyes if he had been a one eyed, one armed dwarf of some unable to be determined gender with no aviation experience whatsoever.
  
  Especially if they were a Green voter.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:32am
  - kowtow
    
    These days “diversity” hires are actually a bigly thing .
    Competency , not so much.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:34am
- Colville
  
  While I agree with you its pretty naive in this day and age to think you can have a outspoken political opinion without it coming under the microscope and that could be in getting a mortgage, renting a flat or getting a job.
  I know I put everyone I deal with thru a quick bit of online due diligence before hiring.
  Would you rent a flat to someone who has Mob pictures on their facebook? That isnt illegal or inciting violence.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:34am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Would you rent a flat to someone who has Mob pictures on their facebook? ”
    
    That is different. You could reasonably conclude that the person is a criminal and that he and associates will trash your rental property.
    
    “…in this day and age to think you can have a outspoken political opinion without it coming under the microscope and that could be in getting a mortgage, renting a flat or getting a job.”
    
    What do you mean by “outspoken”? Would I fall into that category?
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:49am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Correct, and one could hardly call the behaviour of your typical mobster the expression of a political viewpoint.
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:01am
  - rouppe
    
    Who puts photo’s on Facebook that are public?
    
    I always post “Friends only”
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:47am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Who has FaceBook?
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:11pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Likewise BY, I read it and was troubled by it.
  
  Surely if someone keeps their political views to themselves, its about the quality of their work? Where do we stop is my question – does that mean that “far left” views are enough to get you kicked as well?
  
  And the biggest question – who decides?
  
  Its just wrong. Hate his value set (if it is what is alluded to) but want to live in a society where being right wing (or left for that matter) adds to the rich tapestry blah blah blah.
  
  As soon as we block views we drive them underground, all set for radicalisation – but then I suspect that’s what pollies like JAG want.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:35am
  - NothingLeft
    
    People who participate in efforts to “Cancel” people with other political views should themselves be excluded from public office and civil service. That kind of regressive intolerant extremism has no place in govt.
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:21pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Indeed. “Anti vaxxers” rings a bell……
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:36am
- Swifty
  
  Chilling.
  
  Meanwhile whole swathes of our civil service is comprised of people who vote overwhelmingly Labour or Green, some of whom are ‘extreme-left’ and Genter thinks this fine and to be encouraged.
  
  I would add that 30 mins on social media looking at the conversations of NZ’s far left will quickly disabuse any New Zealander of any idea that they are all caring, sharing hippy-types.
  
  The hate, bile and vitriol is extraordinary – to white, male, middle-aged, National or Act voting company owners, for example, and especially where they don’t buy into the trans stuff or co-governance, it is off the chart. In many cases I’ve seen them being called for elimination.
  
  But from Genter not a peep.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:41am
  - pdm
    
    Swifty I think you can safely add Stuff and The Herald staff to your list of civil servants
    
    No comments allowed on the Stuff article.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:45am
- oldpark
  
  @Benedict Yu
  
  Yes the same wee lassie from NZs Green Party back in the day ,When Stephen Joyce and John Key approved the construction of Transmission Gully.
  At that time she Julie Ann Genter was almost fanatically opposed against such a proposal .
  How has that worked out for her and of course the Horse and Cart Brigade NZs Green Party .
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:53am
- alex Masterley
  
  What annoys me is that there is a vague reference to an “anti racism group” but it is not identified in the article.
  That and stuff appointing itself witch-finder pursuivant.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This chap served in the NZ Army and is now being “outed” by a NZ Green MP.
  
  Who next?
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:55am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Get set for a ramping up of this type of judging as the general election approaches.
    Is this what we want here? State funded media using their resources to hunt out people of whom those currently in power do not approve?
    It is chilling.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:05am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Yes, apparently all National’s new candidates are being smeared as severe bullies…
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:43am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That won’t work for the foolish left
        
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        January 16, 2023 8:00pm
- Ian Boag
  
  CAA are quite big on people (staff, pilots, maintenance people, controllers etc) passing a “fit and proper person” test. It might be that “extreme” political activity bumps up against this one.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:12am
  - Ian Boag
    
    https://www.aviation.govt.nz/assets/licensing-and-certification/fit-and-proper-person-assessment-handbook.pdf
    
    30 pages …..
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:41am
  - Taieri
    
    a “fit and proper person” test. It might be that “extreme” political activity bumps up against this one
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    Don’t think so. I fill out “fit and proper person” form every 5 years. There’re no questions regarding political views. But, if you have a criminal conviction for a variety of offences, including violence and transport offences, you could be disqualified.
    
    https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/content/commercial/documents/Fit-and-Proper-Person-MNZ-form.pdf
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:20am
- David Lenny
  
  ‘[W]itch hunts”?? That’s rather emotive, BY,
  
  It’s quite simple really. McCarthyism bad, Genterism good.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:26am
  - rouppe
    
    What’s happening is McCarthyism, just done by the other side.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:49am
artemisia

Record number of vehicle damage complaints from pot holes in 2022. Cycleways are lovely though.
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January 16, 2023 8:21am
- OlderChas
  
  Cycleways don’t wear out. No one uses them so they stay pristine.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:52am
- The Redbaiter
  
  Ardern is putting hate speech legislation before potholes. Its in a preview of one of Labour’s 2023 campaign posters I was sent.
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmS4WQSaYAAvT2r?format=jpg&name=medium
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:30am
- burt
  
  Is anyone surprised at the massive increase in potholes given the increase in heavy EV which are paying no road taxes?
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

Dr Oliver Hartwich delivers a history lesson for our times:

We cannot let the state plan our lives. We cannot let it run large parts of the economy. We need a free market, a free economy and free Kiwis to generate prosperity for us all. And to deliver opportunities for all New Zealanders.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dr-oliver-hartwich-the-economic-miracle
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January 16, 2023 8:23am
- Taieri
  
  Another rare voice of reason here:
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/contrary-govt-opinion-it’s-growers-who-know-how-grow
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:31am
- fredonas
  
  He doesn’t mention the Marshall Plan that injected US$1.4B into West Germany and US$13B into Europe in general. There should be statues of Secretary of State George Marshall and President Truman throughout Europe in my opinion. https://www.archives.gov/historical-docs/todays-doc/index.html?dod-date=605
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:55am
  - Ian Boag
    
    And the UK got more than anyone else ….
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:41pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed:
      https://www.historytoday.com/archive/editor/marshall-myths
      
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      January 16, 2023 12:47pm
- kowtow
  
  Big article in the Whoreald today about Damian O’Connor off to Davos .
  
  Attending;
  
  52 heads of state and govt
  56 finance ministers
  19 central bank govs
  30 trade ministers
  35 foreign ministers.
  
  Heads of UN , IMF and WTO also attending.
  
  And Larry Fink CEO of Blackrock .
  
  ” While at Davos O’C will take part in a session on Indigenous Peoples , and Trade which NZ made a priority in its 2021 host year of Apec” whatever that means.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:58am
  - mawm
    
    Has Luxon been invited? Is he still to RSVP? I didn’t see his name on the list of acceptances yet.
    
    Either he lets us know or he roundly condemns this attack on our sovereignty. There is no place for fence sitting (or keeping his powder dry).
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:09am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Key steered away from Davos, he went there once I think as he was asked to speak about NZs success, if Key is advising Luxon, then I bet Luxon also steers clear of Davos
      
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      January 16, 2023 8:05pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    One of O’Connors final gigs
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:04pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Maggy, that’s rubbish and you know it!
  
  aotearoa’s government is the sole, authentic source of truth. It should be dispensed daily from a podium at 1pm…
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, I’ve been missing Our Dear PM’s homilies, too.
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:50pm
Tauhei Notts

That big whoosh sound you might hear today is the sound of Grant Robertson sucking up GST and income tax.
My mate who employs 120+ told me that he has $2.04mil to pay today.
“I hope it goes to a good cause”, he said.
“I have news for you and it is all bad” I replied.
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January 16, 2023 8:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

Thomas Cranmer looks at how decisions were made about vaccinating young teens and shortening the time between Covid vaccination doses .

(a long & disturbing read)

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1
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January 16, 2023 8:29am
- redeye
  
  there is clear evidence in the official documents that it was agreed that references to increasing dosing intervals as a method of potentially providing some protection against myocarditis should be removed from public communications.
  
  The most transparent government?
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Reading that, what is beyond dispute now is that this “vaccine” was clearly experimental. It means the claims that it was tested and was “safe and approved” are blatant lies.
  Most people knew this. It is impossible to claim that something created in a matter of months is “safe and effective” – long term studies obviously take a long time.
  We were experimented on. Plain and simples.
  
  For those of us who realised this early on and refused to participate, it meant punishment, bullying and exclusion from society. Medsafe and the “experts” advising government are top of the list for culpability. Though those politicians who almost gleefully (that’s exactly what it is so yip, yip) enforced the policies are up there also.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:43am
Tony Stuart

The Ministry of Education’s head office could cost taxpayers “tens of millions of dollars” during the next decade, even as the building stands empty in Wellington’s CBD.

Newstalk ZB can reveal more than $2m was spent in just four months last year, covering rent and maintenance at the evacuated Mātauranga House, after staff were moved out due to an earthquake risk assessment.

Despite that, the non-cancellable lease commitment for the building isn’t set to expire until 2030.

It puts the Crown in what Education Minister Chris Hipkins is calling an “interesting position”, with negotiations under way between the ministry and landlord.

National education spokeswoman Erica Stanford is horrified at the cost, calling it “an absolute travesty.”

“This is going to cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars in the long run, it’s not just chump change”, she claimed.

The Ministry of Education maintains it is “currently working through the requirements of the lease in order to deal with the seismic issues that have arisen”.

Hipkins said the ministry still needs to comply with its lease, but accepts the situation is a worry.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/govt-forced-to-spend-millions-of-dollars-on-empty-ministry-of-education-building/4RSY6NYD7ZD7DA7IWY7WHIUFSQ/

Doesn’t this just sum up the Labour government’s attitude to government spending perfectly? Two million bucks in four months equates to $6 million annually, chump change to Robertson, Hipkins and co, but money that could fix potholes, pay for much-needed surgery or be allocated to dozens of better uses than enriching a landlord.

It was a bit of a joke when it was reported that the lights were still on in a building that had been vacated. Now we are finding the joke’s on us, the long-suffering taxpayers of New Zealand.
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January 16, 2023 8:31am
- Ehlana
  
  If the building isn’t safe to occupy, wouldn’t that invalidate the lease? A supplier can hardly expect to be paid if they do not actually supply.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:37am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The building was compliant earthquake standards when leased to the Ministry of Education, however the standards have since changed, hence the need for the Ministry to vacate the premises.
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:42am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Tony – then shouldn’t it be the responsibility of the landlord to bring the building they own up to compliance standards? Isn’t that one of the bugbears of most landlords? Increasing legislation adding inconvenient costs onto their rental properties?
      
      This situation seems bizarre.
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:01am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Lots of things seem bizarre under the current administration…
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:35am
      - kowtow
        
        Bizarre ?
        
        kafkaesque even.
        
        Govt makes rules that means its own emplyees can’t occupy the buildings it rents , meanwhile shelling out opm, while deeply in debt in order to pay the rent for a dept that is one of the bigliest failures in a very failing government.
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:03am
    - Sacha
      
      So – ‘standards’ have changed?
      Come on, chaps, cancel the contract. At the very least, stop paying rent while you adjust the legislation.
      If it was my little 3br house in Porirua, you’d do it in 5 seconds. And fine me to boot.
      And who owns the building – one of those shady WEF-associated companies which is quietly infiltrating New Zealand?
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The NZ Government must be employing lousy lawyers.
  
  Surely a landlord needs to provide a building fit for purpose.
  
  If the building fails the building code, then the lease conditions must be invalid.
  
  What has our Government signed itself up to?
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    In 2018 the building was up to standard.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/104856705/strong-investor-interest-expected-for-ministry-of-educations-new-wellington-home#:~:text=M%C4%81tauranga%20House%2C%20in%20Bowen%20St,to%20Ministry%20of%20Education%20staff.
    
    Did someone tell porkies?
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:43am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No, the earthquake standards were tightened, many would argue unnecessarily.
      
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      January 16, 2023 8:57am
      - zulumonster
        
        I understand that the building still meets the minimum standards by law. However an inspection showed a risk with a certain area and the tenant decided to vacate the building. So the landlord is not breaking the law nor the contract …
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:28am
      - rouppe
        
        @zulu
        
        In other words, someone said “I feel unsafe” so the whole place is now vacant?
        
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        January 16, 2023 10:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s been going on in Wellington for decades.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/128833023/reasonable-caution-or-hysteria–why-are-wellington-buildings-being-deemed-unsafe-and-evacuated
        
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        January 16, 2023 12:57pm
  - surfing
    
    In my earlier days I used to believe lawyers were most excellent and clever people.
    
    Now I’m older and had to deal with the complications of rubbish lawyers — it would be splendid if we could sack about 2/3rds of them.
    
    Lazy MP’s, uneducated council employees, and crappy lawyers are a perfect storm if you are trying to exercise your rights!
    
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    January 16, 2023 7:17pm
- Swifty
  
  If you see money being wasted you can be sure it’s yours.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:45am
- GJM
  
  I expect the issue is corporate/ministry policy. The building is legally safe and is not a dangerous building or earthquake prone.
  The issue is that it will be like a lot of big corporates, where there is a policy that says they only rent buildings over a certain rating, say 70%nbs.
  If they didn’t specify this in the lease or do their due diligence then tough luck, the rent must be paid.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:54am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “The Ministry of Education maintains it is “currently working through the requirements of the lease in order to deal with the seismic issues that have arisen”.”
  
  This language drives me nuts. It is classic language that is taught to students of “Communications Studies”. It tells us nothing. We do not know what the “requirements of the lease” are. We don’t know how they are “working through” those issues. We do not even know what the “seismic issues” are.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    It sounds like Mahuta Corp or some other Non-Taxable Maori Entity owns the building.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:25am
  - backster
    
    I am sure that the Mahuta family will have an expert on Seismic Issues and will be able to present them in a way that complies with the Te AO maori aspect. Nothing cheap though.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:42am
  - artemisia
    
    One of the ‘seismic issues’ was that the rules changed. Before MinofEd moved in the building was at or very close to 100% of the NBS. Then the rules changed and a new assessment came in at 25%. The owners of the building had serious concerns about the new assessment which, they said was partial. They offered a full assessment but the MinofEd declined. Since then, don’t know, maybe there have been updates?
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:46am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Mātauranga House” hahaha – looks like the Mātauranga failed them in this instance.
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t thing Matauranga Maori has much to say about concrete.
    
    It’d probably pay to refer to some ancient Roman text…
    https://ancientengrtech.wisc.edu/roman-concrete/
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:38am
kevn

wood for brains reckons the roading pot-hole issue is due to underinvestment from the Nats era… don’t larf.
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January 16, 2023 8:36am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The Brylcreem kid is a total plonker. Previous roles = Christmas tree salesman then shop assistant at Hallensteins. How that qualifies him to be a Cabinet Minister I’ll never know but this is Labour.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:44am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    To be fair, Wood also had a term as a union organiser for the Finsec union, a vital box-tick if one has aspirations to be a Labour MP.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He was also a union bully boy
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:08pm
- Pavel
  
  If any of these Labor politicians are to be honest at the next election they will be running the line “15 years of neglect” because Labor have neglected things alot more than National ever did. Labor have taken neglect a whole new level.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:26am
- Biscuit
  
  Aw, be fair, kevn…
  
  ‘Wood for Brains’ is only using the ‘It’s all the colonists’ fault’ line that his Maori supporters will still be using in 3023…
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:14am
I remember when

In 2023, climate will get political. Newsroom.
Surely not.
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January 16, 2023 8:45am
- Ehlana
  
  In 2023, the climate will continue to do whatever it wants too. It will not involve itself in anything so petty as human politics. It remembers when our forefathers were apes.
  
  The weather will continue to ignore the forecasters and do whatever it wants to as well.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:17am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

American bestselling New York Times author and Political Icon Roger J. Stone writes…

“In New Zealand, the current Prime Minister (and protege of Klaus Schwab) Jacinda Ardern, has actually banned newspapers and magazines that don’t support her government’s narratives”

https://twitter.com/RogerJStone/status/1614507808065454080

Over 1 million views to date…and OMG the comments!
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January 16, 2023 8:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – also featured on the heavily subscribed 21st Century Wire.
  
  https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/01/11/stuff-disinformation-project-caught-spreading-lie-to-ban-magazine-in-new-zealand/
  
  NZ under Ardern making international headlines again for all the wrong reasons.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:05am
- All_on_Red
  
  A well researched and rather disturbing read.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:07am
ClanMcleod

Neil Oliver with his usual excellent monologue. This one regarding the panic setting in around excess all cause mortality in the UK and the attempts to deflect and ignore the mammoth in the room.

https://rumble.com/v25iy44-neil-oliver-excess-deaths-are-causing-palpable-panic.html

As he points out, a year ago people demanded to know your “vaccination” status just to take part in society. Now, if someone dies suddenly, it’s apparently wrong to ask about their “vaccination” status. Funny how that works isn’t it?

Then this article.

The Problem With the BBC’s Reporting on Excess Deaths

I recall the newsroom conversations during the dark days of the pandemic only too well. They were upsetting at the time. Now, as we see a disturbing rise in excess deaths across the country, the thought of them fills me with horror and outrage.

”You do realise these lockdowns and restrictions will end up killing people too, don’t you?” I would say to senior editorial colleagues with something approaching desperation in my voice. ”Sure, the virus is a serious threat to a small proportion of the population but the longer-term consequences of shutting the economy down and closing off the NHS will be deadly for huge numbers who were never at serious risk from the virus, people with years of life ahead of them. Shouldn’t we be reflecting that in our coverage? Shouldn’t we be considering the possibility that the government is going down the wrong path on this?”

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/15/the-problem-with-the-bbcs-reporting-on-excess-deaths/

Of course the problem with NZ mainstream media’s reporting of excess deaths that are occurring here is they just don’t bother. That’s the way it’s done under Ardern’s tyrannical rule. Total narrative control.

We are currently as bad as North Korea.
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January 16, 2023 8:47am
- Nickc2
  
  At least we’re not eating dogs just yet. But who knows what’ll happen when Cindy bans farming in total.
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:01am
- surfing
  
  Oh dear, quoting the dailysceptic again.
  
  It is funny how conspiracy theorists always refer to each other as being excellent!
  
  Really I shouldn’t be typing this today if your predictions were accurate. DNA disintegration and all, whatever happened to that?
  
  Sigh!
  
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  January 16, 2023 7:06pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    surfing – good on you resorting to type! Instead of addressing the content, attack the source. Ad hominem much?
    Clearly it’s all the Branch Covidians have left! Tick tock……
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:16pm
crackle

Things that make you go hmmm.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-says-pfizers-bivalent-covid-shot-may-be-linked-stroke-older-adults-2023-01-13/

This wouldnt have seen the light of day a year ago.
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January 16, 2023 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  crackle – some of the rats in the media are getting ready to jump ship. They can see what’s coming.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:11am
Caine9

Am I alone in this? I am getting heartily sick of Stuff’s personal hounding of anyone they deem as being “Far Right”. Today a CAA employee is headlined for being the second person holding these views.
WTF? They’re suggesting that people with different views (not ones I share, btw) should not be employed.
The arrogance! Far Left communists are fine, but not the other end of the spectrum. They should be hounded.
This is vile.
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January 16, 2023 8:59am
slightlyrighty

The Egg situation has, politically speaking, flown under the radar to a certain extent.

What we see here is an ill founded, poorly executed political decision that has resulted in shortages of a staple commodity.

If this causes shortages of food, imagine what will happen when our agriculture industry feels the full force of the ETS.
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January 16, 2023 9:04am
- Ghost
  
  What we see here is that farms who had spent millions, one farm $60 million dollars shifting to the new regulations that national brought in having to once again shift because the supermarkets are demanding free range eggs
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/10-01-2023/eggsplainer-where-did-all-our-eggs-go
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:10am
Nickc2

Mahuta screws Ratepayers (again).
The 3Waters Water Services Legislation Bill lays out legislation whereby Ratepayers will foot the bill for any debt incurred by the four Maori Entities who own everything concerned and are responsible for the systems’ management, maintenance, and finances whereby any incurred debt is sheeted back to Ratepayers.
There is a great article in the herald about it but unfortunately, it’s Paywalled.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/john-robertson-three-waters-the-debt-is-in-the-detail/JZKIYTBSBVEJNNWMPTKG5KDAJQ/
Submissions to this bill close on the 12th of February 2023.
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January 16, 2023 9:14am
- Drone
  
  Great article by John Robertson, but what did you expect from Mahutacorp. The punter pays and pays and pays and if you’re very lucky you might get taniwha free water. (Note the use of the word “free” in the previous sentence was not intended to imply actually free, you will be charged).
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:03am
- G152
  
  Sue Mahuta Corp every time rain causes damage to infrastructure
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:31am
  - Nickc2
    
    Good thinking! However, as stated in the Bill before Parliament, it’s the Ratepayers who have to foot the bill.
    As an aside, if Maori decide to take out a loan against their stolen and gifted assets and default on the repayment, Ratepayers are required to once again foot the bill. Wouldn’t it be great to own a business like that? Well, the 3Waters Maori Elites do eh?
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:23am
Maggie Pie

What about this? LOL!!

“Elites flying to the WEF Conference @ Davis to discuss world depopulation with the use of vaccines, DON’T want vaccinated pilots!”

https://twitter.com/healthbyjames/status/1614441788856492033

Read it twice before upticking.
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January 16, 2023 9:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You wouldn’t want your pilot suddenly collapsing at the controls would you?
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And airlines are considering doing away with Co-Pilots to save money!
    AirNZ for one 🙁
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:42am
    - Ghost
      
      1News understands the New Zealand Airline Pilots’ Association doesn’t support the proposal.
      
      Air New Zealand has also said it’s yet to form an opinion due to the idea still being in its early stages.
      
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/24/nzs-caa-supporting-investigation-into-single-pilot-passenger-flights/
      
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      January 16, 2023 9:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        Does this mean Aircraft Manufacturers are going to build Aircraft without duplication of Cockpit Flight Controls? If it does, ANZ will be forced into keeping its current fleet of Aircraft forever.
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:52am
  - Taieri
    
    You wouldn’t want your pilot suddenly collapsing at the controls would you?
    ————-
    
    This actually happened to the Air NZ pilot, captain Ann Barbarich. She collapsed at the controls just after landing Auckland-Perth flight in Perth in 2014 and died a few days later, apparently from brain aneurysm. She’s a very experienced pilot with many years of service with Air NZ. Another pilot managed to taxi the aircraft to the gate.
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:50pm
- Opie
  
  Here’s the menu for the wef conference…
  
  https://twitter.com/ChrisandVictory/status/1614613158701801473/photo/1
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:51am
Ghost

Hmmmm, strange statue

https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1614562940618694658?cxt=HHwWhICz8ZWciugsAAAA
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January 16, 2023 9:24am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  No wonder Martin Luther King’s family are upset
  
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  January 16, 2023 7:24pm
I remember when

As we notice their constant pleas for financial assistance, is it time for the media to reflect on the reasons they now need it.
Like, the evidence presented by people like Professor Robert Clancy not being researched, allowing clearly conflicting governmental advice to go unchallenged and failing to be front of the queue with factual updates on covid.
If we can’t believe the press, or doubt their message, why would we buy their newspapers.
How many opinion pieces are too many?
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January 16, 2023 9:27am
- Drone
  
  Perhaps the printed newspaper has reached the end of its life as did the steam engine, the horse and cart , the fax machine and laterly the internal combustion engine powered vehicle.
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I remember when – exactly. I used to buy the Whoreald every day of the week and also the Weekend Herald. Right up until the covid nightmare began and I saw the level of blatant lies and propaganda.
  I had never subscribed to anything on the Internet in almost 30 years of being active in online media. Now I have paid subscriptions to 3 blogs. Costs about half of what I used to spend on the chip wrapping paper that claims to be the premium source of journalism in NZ.
  
  Among the best purchasing decisions I ever made in my life.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:45am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Which ones would you recommend?
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:19pm
Maggie Pie

I was wondering if there’s anyone else here like me who can’t bring themselves to eat the ‘CROSS’ on Hot-X-Buns?

Seems like sacrilege to me. I always peel them off first before toasting.
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January 16, 2023 9:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But somehow RC folks can consume “The Body of Christ” without any difficulty.
  
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  January 16, 2023 9:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The bloods OK as well.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:57am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      A mate who went to a school for The Doolans was asked, at about age 50, if he had had any problems with the priest.
      “No, the only problem I had is that he caught me nicking the communion wine.”
      It turns out that he not had a predeliction to grog at age ten, and had been one of the boys he could have qualified for an ACC payout for the priest’s indiscretions with young boys.
      
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      January 16, 2023 11:03am
- Biscuit
  
  Different things annoy different people, Maggie.
  
  My big bugbear with food involves those stringy bits you have to remove from bananas after you’ve peeled them…
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Phloem bundles
    
    https://www.foodandwine.com/news/those-stringy-things-your-banana-actually-have-name#:~:text=%22Phloem%20bundles.%22%20Never%20heard,when%20you%20peel%20a%20banana.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:12am
    - Biscuit
      
      :: If you’re eating, swallow and THEN proceed ::
      
      ‘Phloem bundles’ sounds to me what sportspeole delight in spitting/hoicking onto their playing fields
      
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      January 16, 2023 10:20am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      That’s why I like KB – you learn something new every day. Tx Maggy.
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:25pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Geez Maggie – you haven’t gone all snowflake/woke on a baked goods have you?
  
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  January 16, 2023 2:07pm
pdm

Is a Roy Morgan Poll due this week?

May be a Taxpayers Union Curia Poll as well or do they not poll in January?
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January 16, 2023 9:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t think we will get a poll till early Feb, Morgan maybe end of Jan
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:12pm
Bridgenag

So nice not to have the mmmmm’s here this morning. Do you think he/she/it has had to go to work this morning?
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January 16, 2023 9:57am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  No.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maybe got the ankle bracelet off……..
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:53am
Jack5

The NZ Herald sings for its Ardern subsidy…

It’s promoting Maori candidates for a “Miss New Zealand” competition.

At least it isn’t calling for a “Miss Aotearoa competition”. Or a “Mihi Aotearoa competition”. That would be full-on NZ Pidgin, as the Maori language didn’t do honorifics.

If we are for racial equality, would there be an outcry if the Herald had a headline, “20 white girls in Miss New Zealand” competition?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/six-maori-wahine-line-up-for-miss-new-zealand-2023-pageant/HQZJOWDAKBGBVOOEU6ZMSFFXP4/
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January 16, 2023 10:07am
- Jack5
  
  Elsewhere in the NZ Herald you can find an article whose byline identifies the reporter as a “Te Rito Journalism” cadet.
  
  This is a programme by media organisations, including NZ Herald’s owner, NZME, to increase the number of Maori journalists.
  
  The Te Rito scheme appears to have received about $5 million in taxpayer support through the Public Interest Journalism Fund, which says it is giving 40 per cent of its first funding round to boosting Maori journalism.
  
  Ardern’s Labour is out to remould New Zealand. Hold tight! No more than 10 months to the election!
  
  Taxpayer funds for Maori journalism:
  
  https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/significant-funding-injection-to-boost-māori-journalism/
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:23am
  - Swifty
    
    Naked bribery.
    
    Oh and by the way just to turn their own guns against them for a moment – what is ‘sustainable’ about funding positions for which clearly there are little or no paying customers for and which would wither if not for politicians propping them up?
    
    And, I say again, what will you expect to be the news media’s reaction to a new government abolishing this naked bribery?
    
    They will be up in arms and decrying that new government – that’s what.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:53am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That level of funding is not going to sustain a 40 year career
    
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    January 16, 2023 7:27pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    When will The Maori Party cry out about this vote buying of Maori by Labour at their expense?
    
    Strangely silent.
    
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    January 16, 2023 9:46pm
Maggie Pie

I see where the winner of 2023 Miss Universe Competition is Miss USA.
YUGE CONGRATS!

Lots of speculation on Twitter that ‘she’ was a man. LOL!!

Totally incorrect of course, with most people confusing her with the new owner of MU who happens to be a Trans-activist.
Wonder how long till they drop the ‘Miss’?
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January 16, 2023 10:19am
- Biscuit
  
  There are, apparently, 100 billion galaxies out there…
  And yet, for the 71st time in a row since being initiated in 1952, the title of Miss Universe has gone not just to some little-known galaxy called ‘The Milky Way’ but, even worse, to just one planet in said Milky Way…
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re stating to sound like my partner now Bikkie 😀
    
    He reckons the whole thing is fixed! The winner is always from earth.
    
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    January 16, 2023 10:36am
  - JackRabbit
    
    A billion star systems with a sweet spot planet, in each galaxy, and a billion galaxies.
    
    So the chances of life are huge. No doubt the good species out there stick to the prime directive and ignore us.
    
    Perhaps they could change the title from “Miss Universe” to “The Milky ~~Bar~~ Way Queen”. Milky Bar Kid worked for Nestles.
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:44am
    - Swifty
      
      Last time I checked our best estimates are that our universe consists of between 100 and 200 billion galaxies with 100-200 billion solar systems within each galaxy, on average.
      
      Vast doesn’t begin to describe it.
      
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      January 16, 2023 12:21pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        I stand corrected.
        
        I have not checked lately, and in any case I do not have a warp capable star ship or long range scanners.
        
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        January 16, 2023 12:53pm
Swifty

$16 for four lemons and slightly bigger than large marble sized limes, 3 for $6, at the third place I tried just now – the first two, my local Chinese grocer and my local Super Value had none of either.

I ended up putting two of the lemons back.

Bloody hell. What do we normally pay, about a buck a lemon?
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January 16, 2023 10:48am
- Ghost
  
  Plant a tree or find a neighbour with a big tree, we usually give away a lot to the neighbour’s
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:54am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, very good points, I’ve half a dozen lemons in 30 litre pots and two Tahitian limes similarly – but I also have many friends and family who continually raid me.
    
    This winter’s crop is completely gone.
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:09am
    - Ghost
      
      We got a new puppy a few years ago, fenced off the fruit trees because he would grab it. Lost him one night, spent 10 minutes searching everywhere, nearly ready to give up looking, he had broken in to the lemon tree and was just layin there eating a lemon.
      
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      January 16, 2023 11:17am
      - Surely Knott
        
        My sheep at a lemon whole! The goats attacked the leaves. Lime tree looking fruitful but a wee way off before they are ripe.
        
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        January 16, 2023 1:44pm
  - Inandout
    
    Our lemon tree is loaded most of the year. This is what happens when people choose handkerchief sized sections to build on and forgetting fruit prices when they have no trees to gather from.
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you are just needing the lemon juice for cooking, etc, then buy a bottle of lemon juice… $2.20 from Countdown.
  Keeps for years in the Fridge.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:00am
  - Swifty
    
    Yes, just juice.
    
    I thought that you know – I could see bottles of lemon juice at the Chinese grocer as I stood in the checkout line.
    
    But I’m doing a dish today for others and I don’t want to cut any corners and have a less than perfect result.
    
    What I should do is grab a bottle and give it a test. If it’s an adequate substitute I’ll be happy to use it.
    
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    January 16, 2023 11:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I never noticed any difference.
      
      But I don’t practice perfect cooking.
      Each of my dishes is a culinary adventure as far as I’m concerned.
      
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      January 16, 2023 1:07pm
      - Swifty
        
        Heh.
        
        So is this one today. It’s a Thai dish a friend taught me years ago. You deep fry a whole oily fish, today I’ve used Tarakihi, cool it and break off all the crispy fresh. Dry fry to char whole chillies, garlic cloves and red onion pieces, pound these with a small amount of sugar to a mash in your mortar, add fish and pound, and incorporate fish sauce, lime juice and chopped coriander stem and leaves.
        
        Serve with sticky rice and cucumber slices.
        
        I love it.
        
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        January 16, 2023 2:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yummy……..
        
        (but leave off the glugumber)
        
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        January 16, 2023 3:12pm
      - Swifty
        
        *flesh not fresh
        
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        January 16, 2023 5:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fauci.
https://redrightdaily.com/fauci-has-been-deposed-by-two-state-attorney-generals/
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January 16, 2023 10:54am
I remember when

Perhaps it was ‘climate change’, or at least warmer sea temperatures that killed the crayfish, etc, that washed up on East Coast beaches.
However, it was interesting that the recent TV item showed them amongst a considerable amount of flood debris.
Were they killed by the pounding of the surf which included a large amount of forestry material?
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January 16, 2023 10:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Probably suffocated from all the silt and clay sediment that washed into the reefs around the coast.
  
  Our rivers are running thick with sediment at the moment.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:09am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , there’s a tendency in the msm to blame “climate change” any time something is amiss.
    
    Scratch even very gently and one finds the real explanation is much more simple and often is at hand due to natural causes ( erosion) or us mismanaging a local environment ( forestry, dams , pollution, etc)
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Arizona. Voting tabulators worse than thought.
Katie Hobbs (D) refused to recuse herself. She knew it was rigged.
https://redrightdaily.com/voting-machine-issues-in-arizona-were-worse-than-we-thought-watch/
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January 16, 2023 11:04am
- peterwn
  
  Seemed to be no problem with the tabulators. Seemed the problem was with voting papers that were printed on demand and in particular different computers and printers had different settings that affected the format of the printed document.
  No one has said whether this had real consequences either people unable to vote or wrong end results. Seems to me the results were valid but some people are arguing that the mulfunctions meant the system was in breach of electoral law.
  Also note that has nothing to do with complaints about the Canadian manufactures ‘Dominion’ voting machines. Various people have been casting aspersions on the accuracy and integrity of these machines. Dominion has been on the defamation warpath over this suing Fox news and seeing if Rupert Murdoch or his son can be implicated.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There were voting ballots on 20 inch paper that would not go into a 19 inch machine.
    Also an IT guy turned up to check 3 machines. They were working fine so the IT guy left. 30 minutes late all 3 machines went haywire.
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:11pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Its estimated that around 30,000 were not able to vote.
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Without the cheating, Kari Lake won.
      
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      January 16, 2023 2:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Petewn, the tabulators were pre programmed.
    Some IT guys turned to permanently delete the software.
    Online if you care to search. Not on Google -dudckduckgo.
    
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    January 16, 2023 7:20pm
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you what are spectacular at the moment….our ROSES!

Haven’t ever seen them quite like this before. Huge red and white blooms on every bush. Currently have about 30 stems sitting in vases around the house.
Can never understand why it’s only the ‘WHITE’ variety that have a wonderful fragrance.
Anyone know why that is?
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January 16, 2023 11:19am
- Phil
  
  Most hybrid roses don’t have much in the way of scent except for the David Austins however most heirloom of all colours have scent.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:42am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The gardens were well established when we bought the property and all the little tags had faded so not sure what kind they are. Thx for the info 😀
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, we searched for ages for a fragrant roses and we found ones named ‘Birthday Present’ and ‘Compassion’.
  
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  January 16, 2023 12:34pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And thx for the heads up on ‘SLAY’ the other day.
    Got some cans from Blackwoods….haven’t seen one of the little black hua’s since 😀
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:22pm
Alan Wilkinson

The trouble with public transport is you meet Labour voters’ kids off duty from ram-raiding and shoplifting :

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/130979127/call-for-transport-cops-after-alleged-mass-bus-brawl-involving-15-teens-and-passengers
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January 16, 2023 11:30am
- MCōs
  
  Much more likely to see a whole lot of pensioners.
  
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  January 16, 2023 12:01pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Good to know these kids will soon be able to vote as well as beat people up with impunity.
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:59pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Alan Wilkinson – great to see the drive to get people out of cars and onto public transport is achieving splendid results…..
  
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  January 16, 2023 12:03pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    As in the UK with them all on strike. Who needs a car you can rely on to go when and where you want, potholes permitting?
    
    Serious question, I was trying to think of anything this Government hasn’t fucked up – and failed. Any suggestions?
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:02pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      🤡🤡🤡
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:41pm
- kowtow
  
  What idiot calls for a “transport” cop when you can’t even get a cop cop , these days .
  
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  January 16, 2023 1:07pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Exactly. As if they could put a cop on every bus – half the time being the only passenger
    
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    January 16, 2023 2:38pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s perfectly feasible for transport companies to deploy security guards on selected services at selected times, and this already happens. They are generally required to operate safely to receive their subsidies.
      Just because you don’t know anything about Wellington public transport services doesn’t mean that everyone else is similarly uninformed.
      
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      January 16, 2023 5:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Why so vague? Something to hide?
        
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        January 16, 2023 5:48pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Blather.
        
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        January 16, 2023 6:13pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        It’s perfectly feasible for transport companies to deploy security guards on selected services at selected times … especially when Wellington ratepayers foot the bill. Labour/Greens – you earn it, we will spend it and some!
        
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        January 16, 2023 9:54pm
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis was telling me there’s a Chinese guy set up a tent on the side of the road just along from the Purewa Cemetery selling Watermelons for 40 bucks each!

Even I wouldn’t pay that for one. Just saying.
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January 16, 2023 11:52am
- MCōs
  
  I saw a photo of one at Pak n Sav 8.8kg over 100 dollars.
  
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  January 16, 2023 11:59am
- Mike
  
  [Mod – stop trolling]
  
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  January 16, 2023 12:28pm
  - cmm
    
    I suspect that most of the upticks in the above post are like mine: For the Mod, not what Mike originally said.
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:25pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Thanks cmm.
      
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      January 16, 2023 4:58pm
ClanMcleod

The evidence of lies and deceit around every aspect of the covid circus just keep coming. NZ media? Tumbleweed.

Fauci Knew Boosters Could Cause Immune Tolerance; Pushed for them Anyway

SUMMARY: This post presents evidence proving that Tony Fauci and immunologists knew that mRNA Covid boosters could cause disease-enabling immune tolerance. Despite that documented knowledge, they inexplicably pushed to boost people repeatedly, ruining their immunity to Sars-Cov-2.

As the Covid vaccine disaster unfolds, we may soon start hearing how everything is a “surprise” and how scientists were “blindsided” by what happened. Please do not believe their attempts to shed responsibility.

They knew about the risks. They were warned. This post just proved that and showed receipts.

The result of their willful blindness is a never-ending pandemic, endless reinfections, and excess mortality.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/fauci-knew-boosters-could-cause-immune?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=441185&post_id=96895084&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
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January 16, 2023 12:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fauci needs to be in prison.
  
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  January 16, 2023 12:21pm
  - Mike
    
    Why is that, Steve?
    
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    January 16, 2023 12:26pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Read the post above, he was aware that this “vaccine” would damage the innate immune system.
      
      Billions of people have been injected with this garbage. If that doesn’t merit jail time then not much does.
      
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      January 16, 2023 1:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      See Clan’s comment Mike. People died unnecessarily.
      
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      January 16, 2023 2:11pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Many people have died during the pandemic, Steve. No one has yet provided any convincing explanation why a particular US public health official should be accused of a specific crime, much less convicted or imprisoned, as a result.
        
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      - NZer In Exile
        
        “No one has yet provided any convincing explanation why a particular US public health official should be accused of a specific crime”
        
        According to…..Milky😆
        
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        January 16, 2023 5:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @NZer.
        Mike is well versed on these things you know.
        His info comes from CNN and The Strandard?
        Otherwise, he is trolling again. This seems to be it!!!!!
        
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        January 16, 2023 6:29pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Along with quite a few in NZ, starting with Baker, Hendy, Wiles, Jackson, Bloomfield, most of the board of Medsafe, the list is long.
    Many of the politicians are just nodding dogs happy to be overpaid for doing what the party tells them, but some will be culpable.
    
    The excellent post earlier by Maggy Wassilieff shows some the deceit and manipulation used to get the poison into as many people as possible.
    
    there is clear evidence in the official documents that it was agreed that references to increasing dosing intervals as a method of potentially providing some protection against myocarditis should be removed from public communications.
    
    At the very least, this is the deliberate removal of “informed consent.” It is willful malfeasance, it is not an accident. It is also putting peoples’ lives at risk. Particularly the young who are at minimal risk from the disease itself.
    
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-covid-and-our-kiwi-kids-part-1
    
    Some of the guilty will get away with their part in this which sucks, but there will be paper trails, email trails, evidence will come out.
    
    Part 2 is being published tomorrow apparently.
    
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    January 16, 2023 1:00pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      So they knew under 18s were more at risk from myocarditis, they still forced it on them, and tried to hide the myocarditis risk, which wasn’t listed as a side effect on the moh leaflet. And young people died. Criminal. Those responsible need to be held personally responsible. And as a mum of teen boys this was the concern I raised via email with multiple politicians who refused to answer.
      
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      January 16, 2023 1:42pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Surely Knott – to me that was one of the biggest crimes, these politicians who are supposed to represent us hid under the table. Cowardly scum, every last one of them.
        
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        January 16, 2023 7:46pm
- Mike
  
  That’s all highly entertaining. Now that you have become politically aware, have any of your core beliefs about the world chnged at all?
  
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  January 16, 2023 12:25pm
Inandout

The robberies continue. Christchurch today.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/130979284/dairy-owner-backstabbed-after-ram-raid-by-regular-customers
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January 16, 2023 12:50pm
Colville

An exert from my forestry company…

“Forest owners will be especially hit as many of the proposed roads are the main routes to forests, with the Napier-Taupo Road being a prime example. To put some perspective around the numbers, a truck costs around $2,300 per day to run (whether it is carrying logs or cornflakes) and will travel an average of 600km per day ($3.80 per km). The proposed speed restrictions will reduce the overall distance travelled per day by 8% to 550km (based on 60% of the route being on reduced speeds), giving an increase in cost of $0.32/km or 9%. On a 100km cart to the port that’s $2.10 per log tonne – nice work Michael, you’re a champ, enjoy your expensive cornflakes.”
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January 16, 2023 12:54pm
- kevn
  
  @Col… ‘wood for brains’.
  
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  January 16, 2023 2:38pm
- MCōs
  
  If a vehicle drove 143km at 10kph slower that’s 12min longer.
  As it happens the faster the speed limit the less likely it will be consistently attained, I would have thought.
  The speed limit for trucks is 90. From my observation the bugger don’t stick to it so why would they stick to 80?
  
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  January 16, 2023 2:42pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Perhaps forestry companies could complain about extra costs for road transport after they have paid to repair all the damage caused by their ‘slash’.
    
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    January 16, 2023 4:54pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – fair point, as with most moronic rules, if enough people ignore them they will go away.
    Masks, vax passes etc etc. Make moronic shit ungovernable. End of story.
    
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    January 16, 2023 7:49pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm….
Another resources grab by the brown elite? 🙁

My partner was just showing me an email he received with information that Maori have applied for ‘customary-marine-title’ under the Takutai Moana Act 2011 for the area surrounding Rangitoto out to 12 nautical miles.

Office-for-Maori-Crown-Relations-Te Arawhitu, are inviting submissions from the general public who use the marine area described by the 17th Feb.
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January 16, 2023 1:15pm
- Local Miller
  
  This would stretch all the way to Orewa, include the whole of the upper harbour and 3/4 of Waiheke Island. If they are pedantic, it also includes part of Manukau Harbour.
  A lot of local boaties and fishers will not be happy.
  
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  January 16, 2023 4:13pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Maggie – thanks for sharing – I had not heard of this before, all very innocent until the last right is implemented with a plan restricting the rights of the non-customary people.
  
  Customary marine title
  
  Customary marine title recognises customary interests that iwi, hapū, and whānau have had in the common marine and coastal area since 1840. Customary marine title can’t be sold and public access, fishing and other recreational activities in a customary marine title area are unaffected (except for some lawful restrictions, including for the protection of wāhi tapu and wāhi tapu areas).
  
  If customary marine title is recognised under the takutai moana legislation the iwi, hapū, or whānau group may exercise specified rights in relation to the customary marine title area, including:
  
  the right to say yes or no to certain activities that need resource consents or permits (RMA permission right)
  
  the right to say yes or no to certain conservation activities (conservation permission right)
  
  the right to be notified and consulted when other groups apply for marine mammal watching permits
  
  the right to be notified and consulted about changes to Coastal Policy Statements
  the right to seek recognition of wāhi tapu and wāhi tapu areas and restrict access if this is necessary (a wāhi tapu protection right)
  the right to ownership of minerals other than petroleum, gold, silver, uranium and, if the Ngai Tahu (Pounamu Vesting) Act 1997 applies, pounamu
  
  the right to ownership of newly found taonga tūturu (unless the Māori Land Court decides otherwise)
  
  the right to create and lodge a planning document for management of natural and physical resources, which then must be taken account of by local authorities and relevant government agencies
  
  https://www.tearawhiti.govt.nz/te-kahui-takutai-moana-marine-and-coastal-area/what-are-customary-interests/
  
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  January 16, 2023 10:08pm
I remember when

State homes for Pacific multigenerational living dubbed project with ‘soul’: STT.
“Five new homes tailored to Pacifica families are the first of their kind in NZ, with plenty of space for larger families.”
Over forty years ago, after spending several years working on projects in the Pacific, a Dannevirke resident explained the type of housing that was required for Pacific families.
Basically, a central communal living area surrounded by smaller rooms for sleeping.
What took so long, didn’t they look at Khyber Pass.
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January 16, 2023 1:48pm
- Swifty
  
  I await government initiatives specifically tailored to the Scottish-New Zealanders, or Chinese, or Indian or the Welsh…..
  
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  January 16, 2023 2:17pm
- artemisia
  
  With several incomes in the large households market rent, or close to, should be being paid. So little or no taxpayer subsidy. Market rent would be on the high side for a brand new, large, high spec home.
  
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  January 16, 2023 5:38pm
- Swifty
  
  Maybe, just maybe, if some people just had less children then maybe they might afford a home of their own.
  
  Or is it their right to have ten kids and have the rest of the community house them?
  
  (I’ve lived next door to a wonderful NZ-born Samoan couple for the last six years, mid-30s, two kids and they’ve said they will leave it at that, both working, own home and they’re creaming it – pulling in my guess is $200k annually.
  
  It’s interesting that NZ’s terrible racist systems and structures affect only some people and not others.
  
  I wonder why that is?)
  
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  January 16, 2023 6:06pm
Maggie Pie

I wonder if 1ZB ever carries out ‘Listener Satisfaction’ surveys in relation to their Talkback hosts?

Whenever that lefty woke, whingey, whiney-voiced Tim Rocksbrah comes on air, everybody we know either immediately changes stations, or switches off altogether. Just can’t stand him, eh! 🙁
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January 16, 2023 2:42pm
- Nickc2
  
  I’ll second that Maggie!
  God created snivellers and dribblers but that was before we had quality assurance eh?
  
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  January 16, 2023 2:56pm
- greybeard
  
  Tim Dower is OK.
  Tim Beveridge is a bit too woke.
  But Roxborogh is simply bloody awful.
  I can’t wait for next week to listen to Hawkesby, Hosking and HDPA !
  
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  January 16, 2023 4:33pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP….my partner’s mum has a bit of trouble sleeping and would often tune in during the night. But reckons that moron Roamman gives her the shitz!
    Listens to the BBC now.
    
    She reckons ZB late-night-talkback died with Bruce Russell.
    
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    January 16, 2023 5:07pm
    - artemisia
      
      Suggest she tries eaudio books to listen to at night. Hundreds of thousands free to download from the library.
      
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      January 16, 2023 5:49pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      ffs turn off the BBC!!!
      
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      January 16, 2023 7:52pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    No they are all the same. One day they had all three Timorons on at once. It turned into TDS and Climate Denier drivel🙄 and that loud ‘click’ sound was loyal Newsdork listeners turning off.
    
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    January 16, 2023 5:57pm
  - Inandout
    
    grey, Leah Panapa is back this week on the other talk station. She is a hoot, love the humour. I wonder how many listeners ZB loses by taking garden leave every Christmas/New Year.
    
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    January 16, 2023 6:24pm
Surely Knott

Dem’s on the back foot. Clinton’s going full conspiracy theorist , and looking unhinged, in face of congressional investigations. Bill looks embarrassed to be there.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1614020187132514306
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January 16, 2023 2:43pm
kevn

@SK… They just keeping making their hole bigger. She looks deluded.
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January 16, 2023 3:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Crazy woman.
  
  https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GzrQAmJ9hQY/WSNneueboqI/AAAAAAAAAgY/DB0LojkkaL4QBamC-9kk0HSwewbk_XGSgCLcB/s1600/Hillary.jpg
  
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  January 16, 2023 7:59pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING

Only mistake the lady made was firing the warning shot first….

https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1614800280297832449
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January 16, 2023 3:06pm
Maggie Pie

And Emma Raducanu looks to have made a remarkable recovery at the Aussie Open after her early retirement from the ASB Women’s Classic last week after suffering an ankle injury. LOL!!
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January 16, 2023 4:13pm
- greybeard
  
  Quite a few players have pulled out of the Auckland tournament over the years and then miraculously appeared in Australia, no problems.
  
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  January 16, 2023 4:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well well well, the other day I mentioned a coverup of classified documents found in Joe Biden’s possession.
Here we go, Merrick Garland was the person I said will take action.
https://gopnewsfeed.com/insane-democratic-attorney-general-merrick-garland-to-investigate-biden/
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January 16, 2023 4:21pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300785252/auckland-cricket-club-has-trophies-stolen-pitch-torn-up-by-motorbike-riders
Catch them. And flog them.
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January 16, 2023 4:27pm
- Swifty
  
  It’s poverty you know.
  
  If the state just provided for everyone’s wants and needs these things wouldn’t happen.
  
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  January 16, 2023 5:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cricket is a stale pale white game. They should be punished.
  Oh wait, we have India, Pakistan, England, Australia, and even NZ, etc.
  
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  January 16, 2023 7:26pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Smack their bottoms. With a cricket bat.
  
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  January 16, 2023 7:35pm
Maggie Pie

WTF?
Not one bottle of ‘PureNZ Sparkling’ available at NW!

Ended up having to pay 3 times the price for San Pellegrino.

God only knows what the poor people drink 🙁
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January 16, 2023 5:35pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Turn on tap. Let it run for 30 secs. Fill kettle. Boil water. Let it cool. Fill water bottle. Drink it.
  
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  January 16, 2023 5:58pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But how do you get it to fizz?
    
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    January 16, 2023 6:26pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Buy sodastream machine. Around $80 I think.
      
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      January 16, 2023 6:29pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      I can’t believe you don’t have sparkling water plumbed in Maggie. What’s happening over there in Remmers? Pure nz sparkling available at the warehouse if you get desperate.
      
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      January 16, 2023 6:45pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Carbonated water is slightly acidic (Co2 under pressure in water creates carbonic acid).
  
  If you sip carbonated water all day it could eventually cause dental problems.
  
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  January 16, 2023 7:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cold Duck? Aquilla (Akiller?)
  We all know that the elite buy two of expensive shit to impress and fill the carton with the cheap shit they really like.
  My partner does this!
  
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  January 16, 2023 7:34pm
Maggie Pie

Remember I posted earlier that the new owner of ‘MISS UNIVERSE’ was a Trannie?

Well, who would of picked it listening to that voice….

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1614480175994896384

😀 😀 😀
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January 16, 2023 7:19pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Swarbrick is an unusual surname

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300784939/trio-allegedly-enriched-themselves-by-tricking-papua-new-guinea-workers-with-nz-opportunity
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January 16, 2023 7:50pm
Ghost

Some positive news

There are a lot of differences between New Zealand and US – our coffee is better, we don’t tend to tip and
we have free public healthcare. But for one American it was our kind nature which took the cake.

American Joshua Profit, who goes by the username @fatherprofit, was amazed by the number of ‘good sorts’ who offered to lend a helping hand when he got in some trouble.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/01/american-blown-away-by-strangers-kind-offers-in-timaru.html
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January 16, 2023 7:56pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  We have health care? Wow, not us, we weren’t allowed into the medical center for 2 years due to being unvaccinated and not wearing a mask. Go figure!
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:04pm
  - Ghost
    
    No problem here going to the gp
    
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    January 16, 2023 8:14pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You had a sensible GP, not ours. I did get good treatment at Greenlane though. Only after 10 minutes of refusing to take part in the charade, but fair play to them. They still treated me for my issue.
      
      Local med centre, not so much.
      
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      January 16, 2023 8:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah. It seems at times we live in a different country reading what people experienced the last few years. Even under lock down our GP wanted to see us in person, didn’t want to do phone consultations.
        
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        January 16, 2023 8:45pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just made the observation that Prince Harry had killed more people than Ted Bundy. Just saying.
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January 16, 2023 8:16pm
- Ghost
  
  And Harry is more screwed than Al Bundy
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:19pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Irrefutably true.
  
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