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krazykiwi

One of my favourite quotes:

“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.” — Thomas Sowell

This quote helps me understand Ardern’s Corona madness, her descent into toxic apartheid, her eco-lunacy, and her abject failure in terms of crime.
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January 15, 2023 8:00am
- Scott
  
  “Just-announced speed reductions on State Highway 2 have put Waka Kotahi NZTA on a collision course with public sentiment. From January 27, it will be illegal for drivers to drive above 80kmh between Masterton and Featherston on SH2, with some stretches along the route reduced from 70kmh to 50kmh.”
  https://times-age.co.nz/locals-pushed-to-limit-over-slower-sh2-speeds/
  
  As the labour government under Helen Clark went too far by proscribing the size of peoples showerheads, so Jacinda Adern and her government are adding to public frustration with the campaign to eliminate the road toll by forcing everyone to drive at 80 km an hour or less on the open road.
  The road between Greytown and Featherston is a long straight with maybe one or two bends. And we will have to drive at 80 km an hour on a sunny day with perfect visibility on a straight road. Because our masters have decided that they know better than us.
  
  On a Sunday morning sometimes it’s appropriate to think about the bigger things in life. Are we free citizens with rights that ultimately come from God? Or are we underlings who need to tune into our political masters who will tell us how to live our lives? Right now our political masters believe they are more enlightened and that they should tell us how to live every aspect of our lives. They can arbitrarily lower the speed limit without any public mandate for the change, they can bring in co-governance, they can lock us down for months at a time and they can make us take an experimental vaccine whether we want it or not.
  
  I am hoping and praying that the good citizens of New Zealand will shake off the bonds of tyranny and rediscover their taste for freedom when they vote at the next election.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:01am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Let’s see if this speed reduction results in a reduction of deaths.
    
    The extra time spent traveling could actually cause deaths to increase for a variety of reasons.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:42am
    - pdm
      
      info – of course it won’t.
      
      Just like the Napier/Taupo Road (SH5).
      
      An impatient driver is a dangerous driver.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:00am
  - Scooter
    
    It is happening in Italy also. Is it just plain copy cat policy (maybe like the covid vaccine mandates) or something more insidious?
    
    https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/12/milan-mayor-says-30-km/h-speed-limit-not-in-whole-city_66b67577-5d8b-4639-b934-055ab640de98.html
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:25am
  - Opie
    
    The problem with reducing speed limits is they can never be raised again.
    
    These geniuses say without evidence that there are too many deaths on a stretch of road, so they reduce the speed limit.
    
    No further analysis is done to prove either way and people still die on the road. When presented with evidence that people are still dying they say at least we tried.
    
    The problem then faced by future governments is that if they try to reinstate the 100 km/h limits, the wowsers then say they will be responsible for any future deaths, even though the speed limit reduction never prevented any.
    
    Labour, fucking productivity since forever.
    
    The only explanation for this has nothing to do with saving lives, it’s to reduce inter regional travel. Problem is, these idiots like ardern and Robertson etc Don’t understand the flow on effects of this. This change in wairarapa alone could cause freight movements to some areas to be 2 days instead of overnight.
    
    Never before has so much damage been done to this country by so few in such a short time.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:29am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Opposition should be telling NZTA not to destroy the existing speed signs as they will be required to reinstall them before the year’s out eh?
    
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    January 15, 2023 12:18pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Simeon Brown, the National transport spokesperson, has been asked on his Facebook page, whether National will reverse these speed limit reductions. He silent.
      
      I predict that a National Government will do nothing. Because the anti car mob will scream they are murderers.
      
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      January 16, 2023 4:39am
  - suzieq
    
    “Rights that ultimately come from God?” You’re joking, surely?
    
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    January 15, 2023 7:05pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes that was my thought too.
      
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      January 16, 2023 4:40am
    - Scott
      
      Not joking. Totally my point. Rights come from God.
      The whole concept of human rights came from the Christian world view.
      
      Get deeper people. 😊
      
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      January 16, 2023 2:43pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Does he suggest any good mechanisms for determining whether decisions were ‘wrong’ or go on to suggest ideal ways to exact a price from people who make ‘wrong’ decisions?
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:07am
  - RoboRob
    
    Way to totally, purposefully, miss the point. The point is that removing the cost from actions results in thoughtless, careless, reckless decision making.
    
    The most obvious place we are seeing this in crime, where reduced punishment has led to an increase in crime. However it’s all through government spending. If you were paying to put a pedestrian crossing with your own money you can be sure it would be done cheaply and in the right place. Because government spends others money for others facilities the care is gone.
    
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    January 15, 2023 8:25am
    - Hollyfield
      
      I know a contractor who does minor maintenance tasks for the local council. He knows the person at the bottom level at the council can authorise up to $1000, so all his invoices are $990 regardless of how small the job is. The person at the desk doesn’t know, or even care, if the amount invoiced is reasonable, they just put it through for payment because it’s under the limit.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:52am
      - Mike
        
        Your contractor ‘friend’ is committing fraud and justifies it by blaming someone else for letting him get away with it.
        
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        January 15, 2023 11:10am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Mike
        
        No he is not committing fraud. He can price his work anyway he wants. If the client is happy to pay that’s their choice. Its called capitalism.
        
        If the council is stupid enough to pay anything under 1000 that’s just poor government, not the contractors fault.
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:21pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agreed. Price is simply a rate attached to a mutually agreed exchange in value. Sniveling, supercilious socialists always consider price to be a monetary implement. It is not. In truth we all engage in non-monetary price decisions every day.
      
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      January 15, 2023 11:16am
    - wilderbeast
      
      Rob, you set your expectations way too high where that poster is concerned. Missing the point is what he / she does – sometimes purposely, often not.
      
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      January 15, 2023 7:43pm
  - rouppe
    
    Signs are:
    * Ignoring that the stated objective (immunity from infection) is not being achieved with the action taken (vaccination)
    * Not acknowledging increasing evidence that the decision you made is having undesirable consequences – whether that be to health, community, or commerce
    * Having to buy media via the PIJF
    
    There are probably more, but that’s a start
    
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    January 15, 2023 8:29am
  - Prince
    
    It just comes down to basic honesty of those making decisions.
    When has Robertson ever explained how NZ can repay the $100B extra he has borrowed, and why he wasted most of it on frivolous rubbish, then claimed it was ‘Corona Virus related’. He currently spends $70M each day more than the Govt brings in, and behind the scenes is desperately trying to balance the books in May. That debt is becoming a problem given current interest rates.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:05am
    - Bob
      
      becoming a problem…..
      a VERY LARGE problem which or poorly dedicated grandchildren will somehow have to service from a vastly reduced national income, due to low productivity caused by the lack of motivational training at home (some) and schools (most)
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:57am
      - Hollyfield
        
        I have a lefty friend who is adamant that government debt doesn’t matter, as it’s not like a mortgage, it doesn’t have to be paid back and it therefore doesn’t matter if it keeps going up.
        
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        January 15, 2023 10:53am
      - Nickc2
        
        Perhaps Robertson knows that in say twenty years’ time when Labour may again be considered as a possible Govt, $100m will be the equivalent of buying a litre of petrol today.
        
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        January 15, 2023 12:32pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Hollyfield: Ask him how that is working out for Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Lebanon, Argentina, Turkey etc. All thriving right?
        
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        January 15, 2023 4:37pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Grant Robertson doesn’t have any children or grandchildren, that’s why he doesn’t care about leaving a huge debt to saddle future generations.
        
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        January 15, 2023 4:48pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Seriously mike? Decisions are bad if they lead to bad outcomes. Some decisions are made with full knowledge that an outcome will be bad, but it will be better than even worse options. So those sorts of decisions are bad if the outcome is worse than predicted. As with most of your comments, either you are thick, or you are just commenting to be a prat.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      No one could dispute what you say but so what? Who gets to decide whether a decision was ‘bad’ or ‘good’? What sorts of decisions was Sowell attempting to describe? If he was talking about politics, does he seriously imagine that political decisions have no political consequences?
      Seriously, it’s the sort of soundbite that a politician would be proud of – sounds meaningful when actually meaningless, as it relies on sympathetic readers to add context that suits themselves.
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:32am
      - David George
        
        MMA: “sounds meaningful when actually meaningless”
        Not really. Our representative democracy and legal system is based on that principle. The details vary but the principle is fundamental; you are responsible for your actions. Get away from that and see what happens. Shit happens.
        
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        January 15, 2023 12:28pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        What sort of decisions? Did you READ the post mike? How about the sort of decisions that are made by “people who pay no price for being wrong”. What Sowell has said is a truism. There is no instance where those that will pay no price for making bad decisions is not in some way, dangerous. Please tell me that doesn’t have to be explained to you, that you understand.
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:28pm
      - Jigsaw
        
        You think that losing power as a government is the only penalty for a really bad decision and that that is OK-sufficient?
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:30pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    When governments take action perhaps agree and actual hard metric you want to improve up front instead of focusing on how much you plan to spend like Labour does.
    
    Even better, leave decisions to individuals to then you don’t need to exact a price from people who make wrong decisions.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Have a read of his book “Knowledge & Decisions”, then you might learn something.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:55am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t you really mean Arden’s total failure ? New Zealand will continue to be subject to her incompetent legacy for many years to come, when she has run away for fear of the consequences, she is no better that the growing youth crimewave – no consequences.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, Ardern and her cronies have ram-raided the State coffers.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Very good way of putting it – and true.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:05am
- Mark Hanley
  
  Jacinda Adern’s failure as Prime Minster of NZ was entirely predictable and indeed I posted my predication of her failure on a few blogs back in 2017.
  
  Having been handed the prime minister role in 2017, Adern must have known neither her or any of her cabinet had the experience or intellect to run a country… so set about enriching themselves instead.
  
  The corona lies and the millions spent on a vaccine which doesn’t work, pumping millions into the Maori King’s family, and millions wasted on climate change which is slowly being revealed as the biggest lie told in the history of mankind have all produced nothing!
  
  So what happened to the money spent on these issues (and the 1 billion wasted on mental health)? Someone has our money = we need a forensic audit of all government spending over Adern’s term to find out who?
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Produced nothing ?
    
    Produced plenty .
    
    Inflation .
    Societal division.
    Misinformation.
    Disinformation.
    Distrust.
    A collapsed health , justice, education system.
    A debased reserve bank .
    
    And a totally subordinated , controlled , supine media , which undermines our democracy and the constitution.
    
    Catastrophy.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:54am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Quite right. Whilst I predicted disaster I am still amazed at the extent of the disaster. And dismayed at the stupidity of 50%% of voters who considered the government responsible for most expensive covid response in the developed world, was worthy of a second term.
      
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      January 15, 2023 3:02pm
    - Jim
      
      Such economic and constitutional damage, but was it political incompetence or simply as ordered and delivered?
      
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      January 15, 2023 7:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Strange that leftist Politicians end up with a net worth far more than their salary adds up to.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:06am
    - Nickc2
      
      Did Mahuta Corp pay any taxes last year?
      
      Oh, silly me, I forgot, Maori entities don’t pay taxes eh.
      
      What a Gold Mine?
      
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      January 15, 2023 12:42pm
      - rouppe
        
        There really ought to be a law against claiming charitable status when the beneficiaries are decided by anything other than a need the charity is stating they are delivering a service for.
        
        To have charitable status for Ngai Tahu or Tainui is really no different to me wanting to benefit my family. So why can’t I have charitable status?
        
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        January 15, 2023 2:34pm
      - peterwn
        
        AFAIK the law WAS changed some years ago to allow Maori entities to form charitable trusts to benefit whanau (or similar). Equivalent Pakeha entities cannot form a similar charitable trust. If 6 pakeha parents in Remuera formed a charitable trust for education, donated to the trust, claimed the 33% rebate and the trust paid school fees to Dio or Kings for their kids, Charities Office and IRD would be down on it like a ton of bricks. But it seems quite for Maoridom to do similar.
        
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        January 15, 2023 4:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Willie will be along to explain this to you shortly.
        
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        January 15, 2023 4:46pm
- Clyde
  
  Yes, krazykiwi, accountability is a word that is unknown. Just in the same way that mikenmild doesn’t have any inkling of responsibility to a community or society.
  
  The only accountability that we can exact on this shower of effluent is to consign them to political oblivion. The only way to do that is to ensure that everyone that has a right to vote appreciates just how divisive and dangerous this present Government is. That can’t be achieved by the bought and paid for media – they are now a tool of this evil administration. It is by making people in your community aware of facts that have been wrested out of obscurity. Crime figures, 5 waters, co-governance, He Puapua. All able to be shown to be the Liemore Pardy secret manifesto.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  The problem with that clever little quote is often few people know the decision is wrong in the first place, or whether it was wrong at all.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:38am
  - Cassandra
    
    I don’t think that’s the point. Take an example – a company director who has a substantial shareholding compared with one who has none or the company commander leading the charge over the top and the general in the chateau. The prospect of a hanging sharpens the mind wonderfully.
    
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    January 15, 2023 8:52am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      Ah, the ‘chateau generals’. Another glib phrase, conjured up by ‘Oh what a Lovely War’ and ‘Blackadder’. If only General Russell, for example, had been alongside the first wave infantry companies at Bellevue Spur in October 1917, instead of directing operations from a headquarters, he could have seen that the attack would fail and thus saved the lives of 800 men.
      I won’t bore you with any tales of company directors with substantial shareholdings who have faced little to no consequences for gross mismanagement.
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:44am
      - Matt Long
        
        Ahh, you have some anecdotes Mike, there, that proves it then.
        Of course people will still make bad decisions whatever the circumstance.
        However your parole board member will take more care if the rapist is to live next door to their daughter, the politician will more carefully consider border fences if the fence around their own property is also made illegal, likewise they will have different views on personal protection if their own armed bodyguards are removed.
        
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        January 15, 2023 10:07am
      - Cassandra
        
        mike: don’t try to tell me about generals and war. I know more about both than you do by about 100 squared. I was actually thinking about Maleme airfield and someone sitting in a “chateau” (actually a planter’s house in Malaysia) when I was engaged in a little argument with several machine guns. My experience of risk, physical and financial, is that actual consequences have an influence on your judgement. I wonder if you’ve experienced either?
        
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        January 15, 2023 10:57am
      - Mike
        
        Don’t talk to me about risk: I’ve been on Lower Hutt busses.
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:05pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        “tales of company directors with substantial shareholdings who have faced little to no consequences for gross mismanagement”. Spoken like someone who doesn’t have a business bone in his body mike. Gross mismanagement always leads to diminution of shareholder value, therefore a reasonably serious consequence given to be a shareholder, there is an implication of capital paid.
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:32pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    There is no problem at all in the three examples given by krazykiwi.
    In all three, Ardern and her government’s decisions have been wrong with disastrous (and worsening results).
    They were warned prior to their actions by many people, that the outcomes that have and are eventuating, would be exactly as are transpiring.
    
    Their response was to shut these people down, label them as “far right”, “domestic terrorists”, “misogynists”, “rivers of filth” and worse.
    To smear them, de-platform them and to get their pet poodles in the mainstream media to discredit any such dissenting voices.
    
    There are no excuses for any of the disasters unfolding in NZ on a daily basis. All were clearly warned about. There is no option to show faux surprise.
    
    It has been a brutal, poisonous strategy and it is tearing the country apart while the country falls apart.
    
    Bravo Jacinda, bravo.
    
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    January 15, 2023 8:58am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘They were warned prior to their actions by many people, that the outcomes that have and are eventuating, would be exactly as are transpiring.’
      
      But , but ,but that telephone call.
      
      It all hangs on that . Who was it , what was said .What was the alleged expertise , if any , of that anonymous caller and where’s the interest from te Media Pardy , the people who have a “sacred” duty to hold power to account.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:04am
    - Paulus
      
      But as Ardern has has had a poor average New Zealand Upbringing and Education she, after wrapping Fish & Chips, knows best.
      I wonder what goes though her mind every day when she wakes up.
      Who will I stuff today as I have the power to do so.
      I am still super in all I do – don’t you agree peasants.
      Yes, clever Mistress.
      
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      January 15, 2023 1:17pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Glib, rather than clever, might be a more apt description.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:02am
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s projection again Mike.
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:11am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yeah, so the people throwing tax and ratepayer money around like monkeys throwing poo would behave the same way with their own money. Riiight…
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:10am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    You are right MCos, but the quote is that if there are no consequences for getting it wrong, then no real intellectual rigor and|or risk mitigation is put into the decision making. But it is very easy to see the results (outcomes) of bad decision making (NZ coal imports up dramatically anyone?). And with pretty much all of the the current Labour MP’s being intellectually challenged plus having no leadership experience in the real world, NZ has been on a hiding to nothing.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:20am
    - MCōs
      
      No consequences in the way of renumeration for getting it right either.
      Not in a country like NZ anyway.
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:34am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Are you talking about politicians? It’s their JOB. That’s what they are paid very handsomely to do, though it used to be a bit to do with civic duty apparently?
        If they wanted to do it for financial gain then they should have went into the private sector. Though none of them would last more than a few months in the real world.
        
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        January 15, 2023 10:04am
    - Scooter
      
      In fact they will soon be rewarded big time for all their great decisions over the past 6 years.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bryce-edwards-mps-set-for-a-big-post-election-pay-increase/TAQWOITETRDCJICDW57JAVBIEI/
      
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      January 15, 2023 8:53pm
  - Bob
    
    Classic example of the Dunning-kruger syndrome!
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:00am
    - Aquarius
      
      I believe Dunning Kruger is regarded as a desirable qualification for State Sector employment
      
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      January 15, 2023 4:17pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Most politicians are long gone when the chickens come home to roost on their decisions and actions. Hence they care only about the shortest of term consequences. Those who rely on the state necessarily have a similar planning horizon. Hence the more the state controls the less long term consequences are weighted.
    
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    January 15, 2023 4:56pm
- david
  
  Could validly be applied to the movement to lower the voting age to 16. The counter argument that 16 year olds would have to live with the effects of their voting decisions doesn’t convince me when the time-horizons of most 16 year olds doesn’t extend beyond next week or next holiday or next girlfriend.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:42am
  - Bob
    
    Most of the present government don’t have an IQ level above that of an 12 year old of the 1950’s.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:02am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Their considerations are limited to how much they can prise out of the nearest adult. Their politicians are enlisting more stupid people to vote for them. It’s a perfect meeting of minds.
    
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    January 15, 2023 5:00pm
- Waipuk
  
  I think this sums it up
  
  The 5 laws of stupidity.
  
  https://youtu.be/3O9FFrLpinQ
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:06am
- Thought Criminal
  
  This quote helped me understand the nature of government and central planning in general and why, whenever possible decisions would be left to the individual.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:20am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  I get it that you can’t get over being wrong about “herd immunity.”
  But you also don’t appear to understand your other problem of trying day after day to say the same thing differently – maybe Thomas Sowell may have another quote to help you.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:26am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I like this one best:
    
    Freedom has cost too much blood and agony to be relinquished at the cheap price of rhetoric.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:52am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Where was I “wrong” about herd immunity, Brian? Feel free to school me.
    
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    January 15, 2023 2:24pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Come on, Brian. I’m waiting patiently. You bleat about this continuously. Step up to the plate, man. School me.
    
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    January 15, 2023 7:34pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Uh-oh.

A Dutch cyclist’s union wants to kick e-bikes out of cycle lanes because they go too fast. No word on whether an additional cycle lane for the speedsters is under consideration.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/14/amsterdam-crackdown-souped-up-e-bikes-dangerous-streets
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January 15, 2023 8:02am
- kowtow
  
  They’re not wrong .
  
  Why should a motor cycle , for that is what they are , get the privelige to travel in a “cycle” lane.
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:06am
  - Opie
    
    Why should a motorcycle get the privilege of splitting two lanes of traffic?
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:57am
  - Colville
    
    What about an electric scooter?
    My bro has one that does 80 km/hr. Its his ‘to the pub” transport! He does wear a helmet!! 🙂
    
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    January 15, 2023 12:36pm
    - kowtow
      
      yep , they too are motor vehicles.
      
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      January 15, 2023 1:04pm
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Ebikes in NZ are limited to 32kph and then the assistance stops. In Europe they are limited to 25kph, which most cyclists on manual power would easily be able to match.
    
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    January 15, 2023 5:21pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      E-Mountain bikes are limited to 32km/hr, and this can be hacked.
      
      E-road bikes are limited to 48km/h which can also be hacked.
      
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      January 15, 2023 7:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  🤡🤡🤡
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:06am
- ClanMcleod
  
  NMTB – the Green movement’s penchant for madness knows no bounds.
  
  Energy Transition Farce Continues in Germany: Regulators, fearing outages, announce plans to ration power for environmentally friendly, state-promoted electric vehicles and heat pumps
  Once again: You can have intermittent windmill power, or you can put everyone in a battery-powered car, but you can’t do both.
  
  Klaus Müller, the president of the German Federal Network Agency [which regulates gas and electricity], has warned that the growing number of private electric car charging stations and electric-powered heat pumps could overload the power grid in Germany. “If very large numbers of new heat pumps and charging stations continue to be installed, then we’ll have to worry about overload problems and local power failures … if we do not act” …
  
  According to the report, the … regulatory authority considers local low-voltage grids to be particularly susceptible to disruptions. The Agency has therefore published a strategy paper planning to ration the power consumption of heat pumps and electric car charging stations in times of high network utilisation. … Grid operators would then be forced to throttle the power supply to these systems … The plans for electricity rationing are slated to come into effect on 1 January 2024 …
  
  Even in the event of power rationing, private charging stations would be able to draw enough power to charge an electric vehicle battery within three hours for a range of 50 kilometres, he said. Additionally … “nearly trouble-free continued operation” should still be possible for a large number of heat pumps.
  
  https://www.eugyppius.com/p/energy-transition-farce-continues?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=96693671&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email
  
  The law of unintended (but totally predictable) consequences strikes again! Or all part of the plan? Oh no, I feel a conspiracy theory coming on……..
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:41am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    “nearly trouble-free continued operation” should still be possible for a large number of heat pumps”
    
    ‘nearly’ ‘should’ ‘possible’ ‘large number’
    
    Note all of the weasel words.
    
    Security of supply? Forget it!
    
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    January 15, 2023 3:30pm
Tomtoddy

Here is something quite laughable if it was not so crassly stupid. President Biden, as soon as he got his feet under the table, killed the Keystone pipeline project that was to feed Canadian oil into the USA network, supplementing their own fracked product. (Biden also banned new fracking on public lands.) The result of stopping the pipeline is that the same oil is now carried by trains, trucks, ships and over a greater distance with a ‘carbon footprint’ many hundreds of a percent greater. Talk about an “own goal”.

Further, the instability to the USA and the world’s supply demand situation has required the importation of additional oil from the Middle East and Venezuela. An estimated 60,000 new jobs were lost and Canadian relationships stretched – not that Trudeau noticed.

As Obama’s Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates once said of Joe Biden “he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” Poor old Joe should have stuck with hair sniffing and lived off his son’s illicit profits.
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January 15, 2023 8:03am
- Mike H S
  
  I put it in the same category as our importing Indonesian coal to fire the Huntly power station when it is sitting on a coal field that we are not allowed to use so we look good to the eco nuts.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:08am
  - Ian Boag
    
    coal field that we are not allowed to use
    
    I thought the decision to use Indo coal was related to the price …
    
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    January 15, 2023 1:12pm
    - Paulus
      
      Yes, and the quality of Coal, which ours is exported to India, is top industrial quality coal that they want to produce grade Steel.
      
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      January 15, 2023 1:22pm
      - Taieri
        
        the quality of Coal, which ours is exported to India, is top industrial quality coal
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        Coking coal exported to India can’t be used in the power stations. Thermal coal is needed for that, which is what is imported from Indonesia.
        
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        January 15, 2023 2:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        The premium bituminous coal exported from the West Coast to India and other destinations is used for blending in steel making.
        
        It could be used to generate heat, presumably as in power stations, but that would be a waste.
        
        This is from a Government web site (link below), about the Waikato coal field, which surrounds the Huntly power station, which burns Indonesian coal:
        
        Coal has been mined in the Waikato since the late 1840s and about 95 million tonnes have been produced. About 850,000 tonnes of coal a year is currently produced from opencast mines at Rotowaro and Maramarua. Most is used by NZ Steel’s plant at Glenbrook and for process heat in the Waikato dairy industry. A declining amount is used by the Huntly power station.
        
        Coal-in-ground resources for the region are about 2 billion tonnes, but a large proportion of this is too deep to mine.
        
        https://www.nzpam.govt.nz/nz-industry/nz-minerals/minerals-statistics/coal/regional-coal-resources/
        
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        January 15, 2023 3:53pm
- washo
  
  The key question in this is “Who owns the trains?”
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:09am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I seem to recall Biden opposed the disastrous ‘surge’ of more troops to Afghanistan.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:11am
  - Mike H S
    
    He might well have but his withdrawal from Afghanistan was an unmitigated tactical disaster and so poorly executed.
    
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    January 15, 2023 8:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is that the same Biden who brought troops home and left civilians in Afghanistan?
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:03am
    - KH
      
      Afghanistan. Biden did not “decide” to leave Afghanistan. What happened is that the USA lost a war,badly.
      If the Taliban had not been helpful not only civilians would have been left behind. American soldiers would have been left behind, and the very few planes that managed to get airborne would have had military hanging on outside.
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Civilians should have been evacuated first.
        The military left behind should have been destroyed.
        Joe gave the Taliban everything.
        
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        January 15, 2023 9:53am
      - kowtow
        
        The US did not lose .
        
        The Afghan govt and people lost .
        
        If they’re not interested in fighting for their own rights why should young Americans be slaughtered there and billions of tax dollars squandered .
        
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        January 15, 2023 10:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Military equipment*
        
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        January 15, 2023 10:15am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Left a decent arsenal of weapons and ammunition too!
      
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      January 15, 2023 11:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If you’re trying to defend Biden I wouldn’t be mentioning Afghanistan.
    Though to be fair, like Ardern, there isn’t much positivity in anything either have done to boast about. Their respective PR teams must be tearing their hair out.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:11am
    - KH
      
      Not interested in defending Biden, have no interest him at all.
      It’s interesting however the level of denial that the US lost that war. They were whipped.
      They had no choices in the end,and if the Taliban had not helped them in the final weeks, thousands of americans troops would have died.
      But let’s pretend otherwise.
      
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      January 15, 2023 1:46pm
- Justitia
  
  Biden’s on his way out. Classified documents have been found in his garage (next to his Corvette) and the Biden Centre for International Peace or sumsuch codswallop, which is largely funded by PRC donations. Following the mid-terms the Deep State has no further use for him, his “retirement” announcement can’t be long now.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:24am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Ten pages that his own office reported to the authorities?
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:29am
    - All_on_Red
      
      After six years.
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      10 pages that’s bullshit, one place had boxes, there was a box behind the corvette, and now there is a third stash, this 10 page crap is to try and make it sound less damaging than Trump, who was able to have those papers declassified, Biden could not have those papers declassified as he was not Prez
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:19am
      - Justitia
        
        Yes, it’s getting worse for Joe by the day: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/14/classified-documents-found-joe-bidens-house-amid-growing-scandal/, a Special Counsel has been asked to investigate. Bye bye Joe. Meanwhile the Director of the FBI will lead the US delegation to Davos. WTF?
        
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        January 15, 2023 11:24am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t worry, they were safe inside the Special Corvette Information Facility (SCIF)
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        January 15, 2023 11:46am
- backster
  
  Old Joe was merely following in the footsteps of World Leader Jacinda Ardern who did it first to save the world. It’s amazing how often Joe and Jacinda’s policies have been in tandem. At least Joe has an excuse, Senility.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:29am
  - Bob
    
    Jacinda also has an excuse… IMMATURITY AND INEXPERIENCE!
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The easiest way to gain experience is to fuck a few things up.
      The person who never fucked anything up, never made anything.
      Jaspinda is doing this at our expense,
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:18am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Agreed, which is why one should be wary of the next bright young thing.
        
        Rather, let’s celebrate the wisdom of the elders!
        
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        January 15, 2023 4:57pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    UN affiliates
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s like this country banning electricity from gas, now we import a huge amount of dirty filthy Indonesian coal to power our coal fired power plant, it’s absolutely nuts.
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:14am
Toes on the nose

Welcome to World CO2 free day. Bought to you by Ms adern and the kermit-tards. NZ has no CO2…they were warned. Let’s go further, let’s ban mining.
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January 15, 2023 8:06am
- MCōs
  
  The lack of CO2, the lack of eggs, the lack of gib board, hospo staff, sunshine. . . .
  
  The government didn’t own the refinery
  The government doesn’t own the hens
  The government doesn’t own Winstones
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:48am
  - Taieri
    
    The government didn’t own the refinery
    The government doesn’t own the hens
    The government doesn’t own Winstones
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    But the government makes it possible for refiners to refine, defines how hens are to be kept and sets or removes monopoly conditions.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:11am
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah but also the market as well. For example the farmers were and many had transitioned to new regulations when a few years ago the supermarkets told them they would only sell free range.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:46am
  - kowtow
    
    No but they own the regulatory framework , as it were, that now weighs so heavily on the private sector.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – no, you don’t get to say “not their fault.”
    
    The CO2 problem is a direct result of their failure to secure what is clearly key infrastructure that should possibly never been sold in the first place.
    
    Chickens and gib board are a distraction.
    
    Re Marsden Point:
    
    Energy Minister Megan Woods said she was awaiting new advice from the ministry “on the implications of Refining NZ’s decision.”
    
    But as for geopolitical risks, “officials have assessed these risks and consider them to be very low”, she said.
    
    Documents show the company wanted to know the government’s options around fuel security.
    
    Woods added: “To date, [the company] has not requested financial support from the government to keep refining operations going.”
    
    Toby Dalley, who did a master’s research on the country’s oil security, said shutting down all refining removed the option of being able to process crude if need be.
    
    He found big gaps in the government’s risk assessments since 2005.
    
    “Surprise would be a bit of an understatement,” he said.
    
    “I thought that I was missing something.”
    
    The assessments assumed that the market would function through any crisis, however major, and other countries would not try to impede the flow of oil, he said.
    
    “The way that they were examining the risk of an external supply disruption, it was quite a significant over-simplification.
    
    “There was very little examination of New Zealand’s supply chain itself” or of the way oil actually was transported here, Dalley said.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/448612/marsden-point-potential-closure-government-defends-import-only-strategy
    
    NZ ‘naive’ to shut down Marsden Point – Australian analyst
    
    The head of the Northern Australia Strategic Policy Centre Dr John Coyne is aghast.
    
    “They’re very naive,” he said.
    
    <“They’re buying into a very dated view of globalisation, and they certainly haven’t learned the lessons from Covid-19, around secure supply chains and national resilience.”
    
    The pandemic disproved assumptions that global supply chains could readily deliver, whether it was vaccines or oil, he said.
    
    “If you listen to the oil companies, they’ll tell you that all the risk is under control.”
    
    But they could not manage the complexities, when conflicts could escalate very quickly, trade splits were deepening, and one natural disaster might pile on top of another, he said.
    
    “If the oil refinery in New Zealand closes, you are totally reliant on oil companies doing the right things … a really dangerous proposition.”
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/448417/nz-naive-to-shut-down-marsden-point-australian-analyst
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      To keep New Zealand supplied in petroleum, 175 tankers need to land each year – more than 3 per week. Most of the refined products comes from refineries in Singapore, Japan and Korea. It take about 3 weeks on average for the trip. A bit less from Singapore.
      
      New Zealand is a small market a very long way from the refineries. To cause chaos, it would not take all 175 tankers to not show up. What if, say, 50 did not show up? What if there is a major natural disaster in Japan? What happens if there is a China-Taiwan conflict? I don’t know the answers, but I bet Jacinda does not know them either.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:44am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Sorry – source for my numbers of tankers:
        
        https://www.z.co.nz/about-z/news/the-future-of-nzs-fuel-supply/
        
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        January 15, 2023 10:45am
      - Cassandra
        
        Pertinent points, BY, as usual. Compelling case for substantially increasing Navy and Airforce. And Army too. 2% for a start but we need to rebuild our relationships; AUKUS must become AUNZKUS. ANZUSUK? Perish the thought but an acronym would be easier if NZ was changed to something else – she me might suggest something beginning A.
        
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        January 15, 2023 11:06am
      - Mike
        
        AUSCANNZUKUS.
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:10pm
      - Nickc2
        
        It’s a sorry picture you paint Benedict but nonetheless true.
        Should hostilities or even the threat of such break out in countries for which we are deeply dependent 0n for supplying our petroleum products, we’d be in ‘crapper’s ditch’ without a paddle.
        Singapore has no oil of its own, it imports crude, refines, and onsells petroleum products. Likewise South Korea. Japan imports 80% of its crude requirement which it also refines etc.
        Australia on the other hand has plenty of its own oil but currently only has two refineries, Ampol’s facility in Brisbane and Viva Energy’s refinery in Brisbane. Both of which Albanese is more than likely to shut down if/when the WEF tells him to.
        The question needs to be asked “will Australia supply NZ with petroleum products in time of hostilities or tensions in the Middle East and/or Indonesia?” Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what the US tells them to do. Remember, we have proven ourselves under Lange to be not one of the US’s most trustworthy allies.
        IMO, it’s high time we started protecting ourselves in terms of petroleum products, and the longer we delay the drive to do so, the more vulnerable we become.
        I can’t see anything being set in motion this year though. Ardern’s a WEF disciple and the Greens are hell-bent on sending us back to the Stone Ages.
        
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        January 15, 2023 2:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        The source for Benedict’s figures on tankers is Z Energy, which was taken over by Ampol, Australia’s biggest fuel supplier, about 15 months ago.
        
        Ampol is keeping open its Australian refinery at Lytton after the Australian Government said it would subsidise it up to $Aust 108 million a year during periods of low refining margins.
        
        This is one of two remaining refineries in Australia, and, for strategic reasons, the Australian Government has announced an $Aust 2 billion package to keep them refining.
        
        Wellington bureaucrats think they know better and Ardern’s Labour can’t see how stupid those bureaucrats are.
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/oil-refineries-urged-to-stay-in-australia/100143108
        
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        January 15, 2023 3:39pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Hi BY – I’d be interested to know if the shipping requirements are the same now that a ship no longer brings in a mix of fuels – crude – which was separated into the different components in NZ versus now having to bring each component separately.
        
        If separate ships bring each component now, and there are 5 components (bitumen, diesel, kerosene, 2 grades of petrol). Then the impact of a disruption has increased. No longer will the next shipment roll in 2-3 days later, it is now 10-15 days later. If two shipments are delayed the impact has increased from around a weeks supply to a months supply.
        
        The supply chain appears to be significantly more vulnerable now than when we had the ability to refine crude.
        
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        January 15, 2023 3:47pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      CM – I liked this bit – “The assessments assumed that the market would function through any crisis”.
      
      Touching, isn’t it, that Megan Woods would accept advice praising markets.
      
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      January 15, 2023 5:02pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The Labour government set the regulatory environment that caused all those things.
    1. The refinery is a strategic asset, keep it open or sell it to us.
    2. Dear Supermarkets you operate a duopoly, ensure your policies do not cause food shortages or you will be under statutory management and you upper level management will face fines or imprisonment.
    3, Not being total morons we will ensure that essential parts of the economy are not effected by stupid public health responses. We will also ensure that our building standards are up to date and equivalent overseas products can be used to avoid a lack of competition and price gouging.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:19am
    - MCōs
      
      National set the egg regulations.
      
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      January 15, 2023 1:31pm
      - Ghost
        
        The supermarkets set their own, here is a good article, one farm spent $60 million on shifting to the new regulations then the Supermarkets demanded free range
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/10-01-2023/eggsplainer-where-did-all-our-eggs-go
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:55pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      According to Megan Woods, the Marsden Refinery was not a strategic asset. Ergo, it was transformed into a storage and through point facility.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Have you ever heard of regulations?
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:21am
- yossarian
  
  I’m feeling kind of smug as a brew by own beer, thus produce my own CO2
  
  Oops I better stay quiet, before I get a knock on the door.
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:46am
  - david
    
    Re CO2.
    An apologist (for someone) claimed last week that the CO2 we are desperately short of for food processing, fizzing beer and soft drinks, enriching the atmosphere of greenhouses, keeping stuff cold for export and domestic transport, displacing oxygen in canning and packaging foodstuffs (almost all of our milk powder and infant formula exports are flushed with CO2 &/or N2) etc etc etc is “different” from CO2 that has everyone scared rigid “ ‘cos it causes climate change”
    Now my knowledge of the Periodic Table of the Elements must be limited as I only studied Chemistry to Stage 1 and Biochemistry to Year 3 at Uni so can someone please explain how you can get two completely different compounds with identical elementary componentry with identical elemental proportionality out of a simple combination of two atoms of Oxygen combined with one atom of Carbon.
    Yet here we are, merrily having a CO2 shortage crisis while at the exact same time having a (Claimed) CO2 overload crisis that is destroying the world and everything we hold dear.
    Does Not Compute.
    
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    January 15, 2023 11:33am
    - Jim
      
      Don’t point out the glitches in the given matrix narrative!
      
      Never mind CO2 confusion. I’m amazed that Putin is still fighting a war 4 months after being so desperate that he conscripted homeless people
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11307465/Russia-rounding-HOMELESS-people-military-mobilisation.html
      
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      January 15, 2023 7:15pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yossa – “I’m feeling kind of smug as a brew by own beer”.
    
    I’m thinking that you’re sampling a bit too much of your own product by 10.46am!
    
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    January 15, 2023 5:04pm
Matt Long

Cracks starting to appear in The Covid Narrative.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-leana-wen-slammed-admitting-theres-been-overcounting-covid-deaths-two-half-years-late Deaths over reported by a factor of three in the US.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-identifies-possible-safety-concern-certain-people-receiving-covid-vaccines
“Vaccine” maybe not safe.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/omicron-subvariant-xbb-1-5-possibly-more-likely-infect-vaccinated-officials-say
“Vaccine” maybe not effective or in fact causing more infections.
All stuff reported by the conspiracy theorists here ad nauseam but now going mainstream.
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January 15, 2023 8:11am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Matt -all foxnews – won’t see anything in this country’s “news” – well, not ’til after the election anyway, when it will all be the new NaCT government’s fault for not stopping it.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:49am
  - Matt Long
    
    The original column on over counting by Leana Wen appeared in Bezos’ Washington Post.
    That’s what passes for a regressive news outlet in the USA. Far Right by New Zealand standards.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Any news that is not NZ media is ‘far right.’
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Matt Long – the “jersey changing” is gathering pace. Summed up beautifully here by el gato malo.
  
  i sense that the tipping point is coming and just as all the folks once lauding lockdown and ramming it down your throat as civic duty all flipped, changed jerseys, and can no longer be found, even the more midwitted rats are starting to see that the USS pfizer-modernicus is looking worryingly unseaworthy and that perhaps it’s time to familiarize oneself with the location of the lifeboats.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-evidence-on-pfizer-pfunnybusiness
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:16am
- septic skeptic
  
  *More likely to infect vaccinated people*. Meaningless twaddle. More likely than what???
  1. More likely than it is to infect an un-vaxxed person?
  OR
  2. More likely to infect a vaxxed person than the previous variant?
  
  It’s just shoddy writing.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    1. It is very clear now that the experimental genetic injections are damaging rather than strengthening adaptive immune systems.
    
    2. The extent of the damage is proportional to the number of doses received.
    
    3. The damage is greater for those who received their first injection prior to succumbing to a SARS-CoV-2 infection.
    
    You’re welcome.
    
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    January 15, 2023 2:36pm
Bridgenag

Censorship and the Lancet
https://open.substack.com/pub/wherearethenumbers/p/the-lancet-has-become-a-laughing?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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January 15, 2023 8:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bridgenag – I read that earlier this morning. I fully recommend it for anyone wanting to understand just how deep the corruption goes.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:24am
- Loddenthinks
  
  tl;dr version – they absolutely fudged the figures, over-egged the pudding and couldn’t resist a bit of embellishment when it wasn’t really needed. A 75% vaccine effectiveness rate would have been welcomed, providing it was safe. Of course, we now know it was neither safe nor effective.
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:15am
The Redbaiter

On the Kerre Woodham show on NewstalkZB on the 24th of November, Chris Luxon was asked the following question by caller Kate:

“I’m just wondering if you’re going to be following the World Economic Forum in the Great Reset?”

Mr. Luxon’s immediate response was:

“I don’t actually know what you’re talking about. I’ve never been to the World Economic Forum. I know. I know what it is. Sort of. I know there’s a convention in some Swiss Alps or something, but no, I’ve never been part of that or know much about it.”

Mr. Luxon worked for Unilever from 1993 to 2011. He was based in Toronto as CEO of Canadian operations from 2008 to 2011. The company boasts of its liaison with and membership of the WEF and both the Forum’s websites and Unilever’s website make much of this relationship. In its Annual Sustainability report for 2009 it says-

“We also contributed to a number of business Initiatives such as those from the World Business Council for Sustainable Development, the World Economic Forum and the European Round Table.”

Maybe Mr Luxon indeed did not know of the WEF and what it does. However should he not know this, being leader of the opposition, and with Jacinda Ardern making much of her own relationship with the WEF?

Mr Luxon often boasts of what he did in terms of making both Unilever and Air NZ models of ESG (Economic Social Governance) compliance. ESG is an idea that sprung from the WEF.

Does Mr Luxon’s claim that he did not know what Kate was talking about hold water, or does this look like a weak and transparent attempt to deceive?

(Note: Kerre Woodham’s show is on the net in NewstalkZB’s archives. If this is not enough to verify Mr Luxon’s words I can link to the video/audio on Twitter)
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January 15, 2023 8:19am
- KH
  
  WEF is a bunch of rich exploiters for sure. Nasty indeed.
  But it’s no world government plot etc etc as the conspiracy theorist love to imagine.
  Luxon’s reply was good. Refusing to play that crazy game.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:17am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    My concern is whether Mr Luxon was being candid.
    
    Its not right to protest vigorously when the red team stretches the truth, but ignore similar transgressions from the blue team.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:44am
    - mawm
      
      I persistently ask the blue team on this blog where Luxon lies as far as the WEF is concerned. This confirms my suspicion that he is very much one of their acolytes and that he is being disingenuous.
      
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      January 15, 2023 1:59pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        mawm- Check the up/downticks on the two comments directly above yours. They say a lot about the moral thresholds of the Kiwiblog blue team.
        
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        January 15, 2023 9:10pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    KH – thanks for that, just another “conspiracy theory” – well you’ve certainly put my mind at ease….
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:55am
  - pussycat
    
    list of this years attendees at WEF. A lot of governments represented.
    
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/f2036535-45cc-46b3-9859-32cbc2d88bab.pdf
    
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    January 15, 2023 3:55pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  So he lied and sidestepped. Hmmm.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:47am
  - Colville
    
    I would think that he gave an answer that can not be proven wrong. In this age of camera phones there is no public appearance you can lie about because you just don’t know what photos are out there.
    
    Look at the fuss about the party girl PM of Finland… And that was a private party.
    
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    January 15, 2023 2:59pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  To me if means he won’t have a bar of WEF as PM
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:28am
Yvette

New Zealand History Curriculum – Critical Race Theory coming to a school near you

■ History –
With respect to colonisation, we are never told that intertribal slavery existed in almost every colonised land prior to colonization, or that the earliest slave traders were not the nations of Europe, or that tribal groups often lived in perpetual fear of their more powerful and ambitious neighbours, or that colonisation was sometimes a lifeline to smaller tribes fearful of annihilation at the hands of larger tribes.

We are not told that traditional societies were generally highly stratified, with almost no upward mobility, that tribal life was often brutal and short, that cannibalism was sometimes practised, that pantheistic and spiritualistic religions made people fearful, that primitive and labour-intensive technology exposed people to a life of toil, and regularly to the vagaries of famine.

We are not told that sometimes the colonising powers were very reluctant colonisers, that a piece of land purchased by a settler may have been paid for at least a dozen times to multiple owners, that missionaries and foreign service officials were often the most ardent advocates for the protection of indigenous people, that the punishment of indigenous children for speaking their native language at school was often at the behest of their parents.

We are seldom told that the anglo nations were the first in the world to legislate against slavery, that colonisation brought advantages … more comfortable homes became possible with the arrival of nails, written language with the arrival of the alphabet, warm clothing and blankets with the arrival of textiles, better diets with the introduction of new crops, more accountability (and justice) with the arrival of a legal system, a more coherent set of propositional ethics with the arrival of Christianity. It is easy to trivialize these things from our twenty-first-century perspective, but these changes yielded no small gain, and help to explain the eagerness of many colonised people to engage with the colonisers.
– Caleb Anderson: NZ History Curriculum – Critical Race Theory coming to a school near you
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/caleb-anderson-nz-history-curriculum-critical-race-theory-coming-to-a-school-near-you

■ Present Reality –
Back in more recent history, 2017, Kelvin Davis, MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Māori Development and Corrections {so he would know) repeated the mantra of Maori demise –
“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm

That – Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated – regurgitated by Kelvin here for cheap political gain, can now be updated with “.. and least vaccinated” (remember all that huha), and can all be blamed on being the consequence of colonisation
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So in re-written history, or history with simple omissions, Maori were said to be disadvantaged by “colonisation”, and as the reality now is a general languishing of Maori among the lowest social measures, telling them that it is due to “colonisation’ in fact helps colonise many Maori all over again.

Maori don’t have so much today, because European invaders took it all yesterday
That explains their condition, not Government’s utter ineptitude in building houses, improving transport, or curbing emissions so now tapu burial sites spill sacred bones into the encroaching ocean.

Is History, following Labour’s agenda, a form of mental self-colonisation – all over again?
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January 15, 2023 8:22am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
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  January 15, 2023 9:24am
Pavel

Another stuff journalist who just can’t work it all out. Not only are the contradictions huge, they are also the answer to all her problems and it is just amazing how she can not see what she is saying. She needs to stop gaslighting herself and take ownership of the situation she has created for herself. Words have consequences.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300776395/abuse-of-journalists-shows-how-ugly-our-civil-discourse-has-become
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January 15, 2023 8:27am
- Gravelroad
  
  2Pavel-
  Once upon a time, reporters gathered and produced the facts and if you were trusted to elevate to ‘journalist’ you might get an opportunity to comment on those facts.
  But now, every reporter fresh out of school is identified as a media commentator and news evaluator before they have really learnt the trade – or even how to spell and use grammar successfully.
  The reporter now becomes the story. It is all about them and what their interpretation is of the facts.
  I don’t condone people making threats and posting personal insults. It does no good and further entrenches the receiver as a crusading victim.
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:04am
  - Pavel
    
    She jumped on the covid bus at the very start and has written numerous articles chastising those who didn’t agree with her. In previous articles she has attacked and ridiculed those who didn’t get vaxxed or follow guidelines with evidence on vaccines and covid that has been widely dismissed now. She also helped author fire and fury in which she insulted a large amount of people for expressing views that didnt align with her now debunked arguements. In the article she admits she still has contempt for those people now. She has done nothing but divide and anger alot of people and now she cant work out why she is getting the response she’s getting. Must be because she is female aye?
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:38am
- Taieri
  
  This is not journalism, it’s an opinion piece. Very poorly written at that…
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:17am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Sounds like they are going the government route during the election that it won’t be safe for politicians, I note they are saying Sensis staff will need security, why ?
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Fear porn. Pure and simple.
    Walking down Queen Street at night is probably the most dangerous thing you could do in NZ currently.
    
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    January 15, 2023 11:16am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @G-
    I can see why the Census workers could need security. Many people don’t trust this government.
    They are wary of sharing personal information on an official form because there is uncertainty about what the Labour Party and their propagandists will do with it.
    Never thought I would ever say that, but……..election year.
    
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    January 15, 2023 11:40am
    - freemark
      
      Waiheke Island, circa 2012, Local Body Elections. Head in Charge of Census had been hard lefty hubby of a Green MP. Deliverers of Local Election Forms hired by same in some other capacity. Perfect knowledge of who resides there or nobody (holiday home) Predictably results go totally against the polls. Most elections are rigged these days, either directly or indirectly (paid off Media). It’s all a scam to make you believe you have some options…
      
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      January 15, 2023 6:57pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  A clueless dickhead gets the feedback she provokes. That goes for Stuff as well. When they block dissent in debate, dissent finds other avenues.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:48pm
- JJ56
  
  Another contribution from Stuff today in the same vein is https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/300782862/high-tide-dont-hide-the-nz-made-climate-change-doco-you-need-to-watch. It is labeled as Comment but it is simply a promo piece by one of the people involved in the film’s production.
  
  Not only is it that, it is done with attitude by someone with absolutely no qualifications in the area. For example he tells us ” The link between carbon and climate has been settled since the 1970’s. Anyone claiming otherwise is an idiot, a fraud or a huckster. ‘
  
  Count me in, since even detection of a possible relationship between GHGs and temperatures only began to be possible in the 1960s, and attribution and its magnitude remains an issue for debate. But someone who confuses carbon with co2 isn’t likely to be a reliable witness.
  
  But I digress, after publishing this promo design to misinform the youth of today and encourage their angst, Stuff tells us:
  
  “Every day … we deliver news like this, free from political influence, unchecked rumours and click bait.”
  
  Of course they do.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:26pm
  - JJ56
    
    And while I’m on the subject of woke and climate change this contribution from the Oxford Union is well worth 7mins of your life https://twitter.com/i/status/1613830456243273730 @KonstantinKisin
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:47pm
Romney

About twenty years ago, a National MP drove a tractor up the Beehive steps to protest the ridiculous ‘Fart Tax.’ He had the full support of his party. Now, as usual, it’s National Party policy. This is why we are where we are.

What’s to be done?
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January 15, 2023 8:29am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He was a cousin of Jacinda!!!
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:31am
- krazykiwi
  
  Any National MP that did that now would be trespassed with Luxon’s support, and Luxon would have refused to meet with him/her.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What is wrong with AOC’s head is NOT caused by gas stoves.
It is something WAY bigger.
https://rossduhboss.com/aoc-claims-gas-stoves-give-you-brain-damage-gets-burned-on-twitter-with-incriminating-photo
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January 15, 2023 8:35am
septic skeptic

“More likely to infect people that are vaccinated”. Meaningless twaddle. More likely than what???
1. More likely than it is to infect an unvaccinated person? OR
2. More likely than the previous variants were to infect a vaccinated person?

It’s shoddy writing.
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January 15, 2023 8:41am
- septic skeptic
  
  Intended as a reply to Mat Long above
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Both. – the more vaccines/boosters you have, the more prone to catching whichever form of covid is dominant. Also, with each additional shot your immune system becomes further compromised meaning repeat reinfections and longer time frames in shaking the symptoms off.
  I’m seeing that in many friends currently, had a bout before Xmas, minimal symptoms but 6 weeks later still with a nagging cough.
  
  Also, you become a superspreader, because the jab may reduce symptoms making the infected person feel well enough to carry on as normal, while still highly infectious.
  
  Welcome to the warned about dangers of vaccinating during a pandemic with a non sterilising “vaccine.”
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:38am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Over-counting of Covid deaths.
How is NZ doing in this?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/dr-leana-wen-slammed-after-admitting-theres-been-overcounting-of-covid-deaths-two-and-a-half-years-late/ar-AA16lw5r
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January 15, 2023 9:00am
- mikenmildagain
  
  How many years do you think it will take to have an accurate count, Steve. The death toll from the 1918 pandemic draws estimates between 17 to 100 million. What will be the generally accepted estimates in 2023.
  
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  January 15, 2023 9:06am
  - Surely Knott
    
    How many covid deaths do you personally know. I know 1. It was a person in terminal care for cancer. They tested him in the last week of his life and boom. Covid death.
    
    How many times did they change the definition of a covid death. They kept the true definition (death by any cause not necessarily covid, within 28 days of a positive test) secret until the majority were vaccinated. So covid deaths weren’t actually death by covid at all. They could be death by gunshot on your driveway.
    
    The giveaway was that no one in the hotel quarantine died despite high infection rates.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:11am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Surely Knott – and there was The Diamond Princess.
      
      Also don’t forget, anyone dying within 2 weeks of a covid jab is classified as “unvaccinated.”
      
      The manipulation of statistics during this clown show has been next level.
      
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      January 15, 2023 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I only personally know of one. Mt sister in law. 52 and in a rest home, she caught Covid. She died from invasive throat cancer, had it for 10 – 12 years. Bastards.
      
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      January 15, 2023 10:26am
    - MCōs
      
      A Kiwi I knew in Thailand died on 2-June 2021 when the whole family contracted one of the more deadly varieties of covid than omicron.
      One day he was fine. A few days later he was dead at 74yo.
      It’s an insult to the memory of chaps like him to infer they were on their last legs prior to infection.
      These days the strain doing the rounds, while no small thing, is very unlikely to be fatal.
      
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      January 15, 2023 12:22pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        I’m not inferring anything. I’m asking for peoples personal experience of covid deaths or covid icu or hospitalisation to tally that with the statistics of 2393 covid deaths and a deadly pandemic in NZ.
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:42pm
      - MCōs
        
        It was a general remark, but if you ask for examples of people that died of covid then you should do that not relate how someone died of cancer and coincidentally had covid.
        
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        January 15, 2023 3:05pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        @mcos. Yes coincidentally died of covid which was the govt definition for covid death. Death within 28 days of an positive test of any cause.. I don’t know anyone who actually died of covid under the new definition. I wonder if anyone does. No one so far it seems.
        
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        January 15, 2023 3:29pm
      - MCōs
        
        The MoH health definition is not the point. It’s obviously too broad to describe someone dying of covid.
        I pointed out I knew someone who died of covid.
        And there were a lot more in the early days.
        
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        January 15, 2023 5:03pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Mike do you believe the Covid Vaccines are effective and that the government was correct in ignoring MoH advice by imposing mandates across the general populace?
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best ask the gaslighters in the Labour Party. They are far more the experts than I am.
    
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    January 15, 2023 9:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In the 1918 flu pandemic, healthy people in the 20 – 40 range were especially vulnerable, for now well understood reasons that you can look up if you are interested. In developed countries like New Zealand there are excellent records of the numbers who died. A strong, fit 25 year old who catches influenza and is dead in 48 hours certainly died from influenza, not “with” influenza.
    
    Comparing COVID with the 1918 influenza pandemic is pretty dumb.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:34am
    - Mike
      
      Which other pandemics should it be compared to?
      
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      January 15, 2023 12:44pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ones caused by Coronoviruses and NOT a pandemic caused by an unrelated virus (Orthomyxovirus)
        
        https://pmj.bmj.com/content/97/1147/273#T1
        
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        January 15, 2023 1:52pm
    - Cassandra
      
      My grandfather aged 38 died of influenza in 1918. It killed lots of fit, young people. Covid unlikely to; deaths are mainly people who are compromised to a degree – not necessarily in the last stages of cancer but compromised: old, overweight, underweight, health problems such as asthma or heart problems.
      
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      January 15, 2023 2:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    1918 there was not the computing available now.
    Then of course with ‘data’ you can fudge the numbers.
    In 2023 we will have the same shit from your boss/leader – until the Election and when Govt is handed over.
    Do you think Jaspinda will be on Election night TV, and apologise to NZ?
    
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    January 15, 2023 4:55pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Best measure (pre-vaccine) for assessing deaths is simply looking at excess deaths above long term averages.
  
  after 1st year of pandemic (prior to vaccines), UK and USA were both about 1800 per million. Approximately 600k extra deaths in US case.
  our world in data
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:25am
  - tavita
    
    The trouble with the excess deaths figure is that a number of governments emptied their hospitals to make room for the expected influx of covid patients. So there may have been excess deaths due to other causes due to lack of treatment.
    
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    January 15, 2023 12:54pm
kevn

@SteveO… We just know it will have been/is a ‘creative counting’ system in NZ.
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January 15, 2023 9:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Masks.
https://twitter.com/KiwiFrontline/status/1481866636336701442
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January 15, 2023 9:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  5 downticks.
  Mike a ns MCos are lurking around with all their VPNs
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The question of which is worse, giving birth or a kick in the nuts.
Something that was often debated among the boys and girls back in the day but put to bed quite simply.
When a woman has had a baby, it’s not uncommon a couple of years later for her and partner to decide “we should have another”. There is no recorded case in history of a man saying, “It’s been 2 years, I’d love another kick in the nuts.”
There endeth the story…….!
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January 15, 2023 9:59am
- MCōs
  
  I hope your kids, if any, don’t read Kiwiblog.
  
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  January 15, 2023 12:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am 70, 2 offsprings.
    Kiwiblog? Nah, they say Kiwiblog is for ‘old people’
    I am fucking sure they both vote Labour. Their choice, their future problems.
    They voted for this shit of today? They won’t comment. They must have voted Labour!!! Otherwise they would be telling me they will be the ones who will start to pay the Govt debt
    
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    January 15, 2023 5:09pm
MCōs

Mr Farrar should have a sub section of the General Debate every day for comments on covid-19.
That way those of the general population no longer interested in fighting the old battles can skip right over the topic onto more topical items.
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January 15, 2023 10:00am
- greybeard
  
  Also a section dedicated to MMA and Brian: for obvious reasons
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Are you suggesting Mike should be banned from General Debate?
    How rude!//
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:29am
- Greenheart
  
  Agree. Had more than enough about COVID.
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:28am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah sure .
    
    Let’s do exactly what the regime wants , it never happened , move on .
    
    Meanwhile our enslavement deepens , education has crashed , health ‘service” likewise and under the guise of her absolute majoridy gained on the back of covid fear porn pushed by te Media Pardy our constitution and democracy goes down the shitter .
    
    And no doubt our betters and ‘experts’ will be wondering how to extend the “lessons” learned to their former and next favourite control mechanism , climate catastrophe.
    
    That’s ok ?
    
    Nope , never forget , never forgive.
    Our rights and liberties were too hard won just to “have had enough of it”.
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Greenheart – so has everyone else, this is no longer about the virus, this is about the harms done to the country and the people who live here. The physical and mental destruction, the financial devastation. The bullying and coercion, the segregation and othering. The abuse and vilification.
    No, this isn’t going anywhere until this is acknowledged and addressed.
    As I said above, if you have something more interesting to talk about then fill your boots and see how much interest it generates?
    How about the weather? What was on TV One last night?
    
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    January 15, 2023 11:11am
    - mawm
      
      Clan – You left out the damage done to people, their immune systems, their hearts and their neurological systems. There has to be an acknowledgment of the harm done, recognition of the damage people have experienced and assistance in helping them get well or coping with their disabilities. And there has to be reckoning for those who imposed this on us – forcing an untested, novel therapeutic agent on people, applying measures that are not part of any existing pandemic plan, and make no mistake these measures were known to be ineffective or counter-productive, running a deliberate campaign to instill fear in the population, refusing to allow people to take existing medication which had already been identified as helpful in acute viral infections, insisting that patients go home until blue (which is against all the principles and practices of medicine) and lying about the numbers the disease killed.
      
      Greenheart – You might be tired of discussions about covid but make no mistake this is the most disastrous event to happen in your lifetime. Just a look at the numbers of excess deaths in countries that are honestly reporting them, and this is going to happen for many years to come. All because an untested therapeutic agent was forced on a frightened population by cynical politicians.
      
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      January 15, 2023 2:42pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    NO The Blokes at Bowls are having trouble convincing their daughters who voted ” for a wumin with a star boyfriend ….” Please keep supplying the necessary information to pass on.
    
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    January 15, 2023 12:48pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Is it an old battle? Pretty sure that: we still live under the extreme govt power of the emergency public health response law, and Pfizer vax still has indemnity and isn’t fully approved, and covid is still in the quarantinable disease list, and we’re still pushing a booster, and media are still reporting covid deaths, and still demonising anti vaxxers , and still changing definitions and revealing new data as we learn the consequences of what we’ve done, and we are still waiting to hear the coroners reports on a number of likely vaccine deaths and sudden deaths, and we are still waiting for more twitter files to drop showing how our governments and big tech and media colluded to manipulate us.
  
  I’m also looking forward to moving on but a bit needs to happen for society to heal. You can’t just create 2 classes of people, force them out of jobs, shops, sports, funerals, hospitals, cafes, churches and persecute them in the media as filth. antivax conspiracy theorists and then just want to move on.
  
  The unvaxxed have been separated from society as 2 classes of people. While it is uncomfortable to reflect on what has happened it’s for all NZers to face. This is what we did. It belongs in general debate . The persecution of unvaxxed NZers should no longer be seperated from NZ, not them nor their experiences. This is the news of the day.
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  MCōs – why? If it’s a topic people want to discuss then so be it? If you want to generate a more interesting topic fill your boots and see how much interest in generates. If it’s good enough it will dominate the thread.
  
  When you say “no longer interested in fighting the old battles” what are you referring to? There haven’t been any “battles”, it would be wonderful if there were.
  There as instead been a complete refusal to acknowledge the real world evidence and science that has increasingly emerged, particularly in the last 6 months. Which is presumably why you don’t want to talk about it any longer.
  
  Unless of course, you’re agreeing with the “conspiracy theorists” that every covid policy driven by this government has been an unmitigated disaster? When you do that, we can deal with the problem and move on. Until then, this will remain THE most important topic for discussion. So far it has been an complete failure and refusal to actually engage.
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stop embarrassing him. MCos will not start a thread.
    See what happens……
    
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    January 15, 2023 5:17pm
- RightNow
  
  And yet it’s still front and centre in the media, do you think they should move on now too?
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:44am
  - kowtow
    
    For the evil manipulators in the media ( see Penfold article above for example ) , ( the Herald fear porn census item from yesterday) and the Ardern regime , covid narrative of misinformation/disinformation , anger /social division is now being used to shape their narrative for the purposes of trying to win the general election.
    
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    January 15, 2023 1:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “misinformation/disinformation , anger /social division” is a tool the left use for power over the peasants.
      
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      January 15, 2023 5:20pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Many of us feel that Covid should never have got the attention that it has. We were over it at the beginning, knowing their equating of a Coranavirus strain to the Spanish flu was BS. We were even more over it when it was used to psychologically traumatise and panic the masses, used as an excuse to remove fundamental rights and freedoms, mandate us into two classes of citizens, push people out of their livelihoods, sports clubs etc etc We were over the propaganda pulpit with the PM controlling the narrative and claiming she was the single source of truth.
  
  For many of us we have seen a great deal of evil done in the name of protecting the vulnerable and being kind. We are looking for power to be held to account and will not just be moving on. The reason this is important to some of us is we need to weed the evil out of the system or it will be worse next time.
  
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  January 15, 2023 12:46pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    100 ticks
    
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    January 15, 2023 1:43pm
    - mawm
      
      There is so much anger out there. People have been harmed, lied to and have had their civil rights trampled upon. More than 100 upvotes.
      
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      January 15, 2023 2:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This means the Public Sector. It is so full of useless, lazy people.
    Every Govt department needs to be shredded, to cut out the dead wood.
    Overpaid bludgers, who would not last 5 minutes in the Private Sector.
    Meanwhile the NET Taxpayer provides their welfare – and really it is ‘welfare.’
    Ture up to the office when you feel like it, 5 days a week, then collect your pay/income.
    What the fuck did you all do to help NZ? What the fuck did you do for NZ?
    What the fuck did you all do to help NZ? What the fuck did you do for NZ?
    What the fuck did you all do to help NZ? What the fuck did you do for NZ?
    
    Rant over – fuck, gimme a beer!
    
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    January 15, 2023 5:36pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Good stuff. Obviously a life spent welding up boat trailers is the best prep for a 70-year old to have the world sussed ….
      
      Me I’m 77 and don’t pretend to know as much 🙂
      
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      January 15, 2023 7:41pm
Surely Knott

Stuff runs a screaming Trump hit job , as Biden’s found with classified docs in his garage.

Headline: “Donald Trump falsely claims that his accuser spoke about enjoying sexual assault”

Stuff say , “2019 interview with CNN anchor Anderson Cooper, in which she said she shied away from calling her alleged encounter with Trump a “rape” because the word “has so many sexual connotations” and is a “fantasy” for many.”
That is not specifically what she said. The transcript is below.

The actual Anderson Cooper interview which stuff doesn’t link to is unhinged random, bizarre and implausible.

The story rou She was in New York walking out of a Bergdorf Goodmans in NY and saw Trump walking in who asked her to come help pick out a gift for his lady friend. He didn’t want a hat. So they head up to the lingerie section. She said “it was empty there was nobody there. ” “and a dressing room door was open which was very unusual because usually locked and an attendant comes and unlocks it and escorts you in” . They see some sexy see-through body suit on the counter and he asks her to try it on, she says no you try it on laughing. She says she thinks it will make a great story and imagines Trump will put it on over his pants. They take it to the dressing room where they go in together. And then he closes the door. Pins her to the wall. Interviewer “did he say anything” No. No. It was like we were just so hot for each other. Or why would I try to think what he was thinking. He kisses her. She started laughing. And then she realised she was in a difficult situation. ..and then it turned serious and she realised it was a fight. Then the you tube clip cuts. The rape part of the comment is on a different clip of the interview below. Transcript.

“ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: So you don’t feel like a victim?

E. JEAN CARROLL: I was not thrown on the ground and ravished. Which, the word “rape” carries so many sexual connotations. This was not sexual. It just, it hurt.

ANDERSON COOPER: I think most people think of rape as a violent assault. It is not sexual–

E. JEAN CARROLL: I think most people think of rape as being sexy.

ANDERSON COOPER: Let’s take a short break.

E. JEAN CARROLL: Think of the fantasies.

ANDERSON COOPER: We’re going to take a short break. If you could stick around we can talk more.

E. JEAN CARROLL: You’re fascinating to talk to.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/25/stunned_anderson_cooper_cuts_to_commercial_when_trump_accuser_e_jean_carroll_calls_rape_sexy.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoUa4ktQk1o
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January 15, 2023 10:03am
- Inandout
  
  SK. Pray tell me what Cooper would know about hetrosexual rape?
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:31am
  - Ghost
    
    Right, because a person who is gay won’t know what rape is? Damn, are you a product off our education system or did you just fall off the stupid tree
    
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    January 15, 2023 10:42am
    - Inandout
      
      Ghost, and they say the left are devoid of humour. Cooper by any standards is a smart arse.
      
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      January 15, 2023 11:49am
      - Ghost
        
        Problem is there is nothing in your post that resembles humour.
        
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        January 15, 2023 12:41pm
      - Mike
        
        Ghost – perhaps his rape jokes sound better iin the pub.
        
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        January 15, 2023 12:49pm
Taieri

Is history going to repeat itself, this time in Canada?

“Who can die? Canada wrestles with euthanasia for the mentally ill”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64004329
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January 15, 2023 10:14am
- Phronesis
  
  Must be fake news, everyone said it would never happen, no slippery slope here. Practically called the slippery slope a conspiracy theory. And yet here they are, and we will be soon enough for the same reasons.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:37pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Thin end of the wedge
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:17pm
artemisia

2023 – a review of the Retirement Villages Act, report due September. I hope the report contains, or at least requires, a proper cost benefit analysis. It’s a big sector with high construction numbers. Fiddling with the rules could easily see capital and skills head over the ditch. Hint – it has started already.

Then there’s the cross subsidies within complexes and companies between levels of care required.

There are complaints in the media time to time. Interestingly the complaints seem to mainly come from folk with great expectations, to coin a phrase. Residents not so much. Of course it is their money and their lives, and they are required to take independent legal advice.

There are different ownership and facilities options available, though not as many. But nothing stopping more of them if there is demand. Fletchers is building a couple of communities in Auckland, for example.
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January 15, 2023 10:25am
- Jack5
  
  Retirement villages have helped house the population bulge that began with the burst in the birth rate when soldiers came from from World War 2.
  
  Analysts seem to use the term “baby boomers” to cover a surge in births which lasted until almost 1970.
  
  Birth rate has now fallen to a level which would cause a population decline. That seems to be thanks to changing marriage patterns; to more women in paid employment; and, probably, to housing costs.
  
  Given the average life expectancy in the early baby boom days was about 80 for a man and 83.5 for a female, demand for retirement housing might tail off in about a decade.
  
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  January 15, 2023 3:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A few years back my brother in-law and I saw a layout for the mother in-law to go to a retirement village. This meant the freehold house would be sold.
  So we went through the data about what would happen when the mother in-law passed away -what would happen with the Trust. Well I won’t name the resthome, but where the money was going and how much came back to the Trust.
  It was fucking ridiculous, they would pull so much out of the trust.
  Went over it for 2 weeks and then family discussion. and we all said “NO!”
  Fuck! another rant over!
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:50pm
Swifty

“What are we doing to White people?”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BFpUjyM0orQ
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January 15, 2023 10:36am
Swifty

Elizabeth Rata knocks it out of the park and out onto surrounding streets….

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zuQ2wByHerE

This is the level of debate we should expect from our MPs; instead we get “democracy has changed”, “you have nothing to fear”, “we need to move to a more sophisticated democracy” and “RACIST!!”

I look at the current cabinet and see not one who has ever achieved anything of note in their lives, real accomplishments, leaders in their fields before entering parliament – not one you’d want to have at a dinner listening to them talk about their lives and the pinnacles they’ve reached.

And yet they lecture us on what to think and on what’s good for us.

I look at Elizabeth Rata speak then look at Jackson or Davis or Little, Ardern or Wood and I think of how poorly we are served – the absolute dire state of our so-called leadership and national debate.
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January 15, 2023 10:47am
- Swifty
  
  Really, if there’s one video you see today let it be this one.
  
  What a thoroughly impressive woman Elizabeth Rata is and what valuable insights she brings to this critical national debate.
  
  Co-governance is the worst idea Labour has foisted upon us, and that’s against some stiff competition. It has the ability, rather than being all rainbows and unicorns, to destroy us as a people, country and society – and merely to benefit a tribal elite and their kids and grandkids.
  
  Damn you current Labour caucus. You are the worst that’s ever been.
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  For decades she has been able to see where the push for bicultural policies leads.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tough-talker-on-tribal-issues/GQQ2UO532SXLSBHHHSNTUJDXNQ/
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:35am
  - oldfella
    
    Maggy: what a jaw-dropping article. Written in 2006 about Rata’s new book at the time, which was launched by Helen Clarke! Can you imagine Cindy doing it?
    I would love to hear a TV debate between Rata and anyone from the Maori caucus.
    Yeah, nah, never gunna happen. //
    
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    January 15, 2023 12:44pm
- NothingLeft
  
  very well said. Though I think that a neutral combative media that is not friendly to any politicians is a fourth essential pillar of democracy – good democratic government needs vigorous continuous questioning in front of voters.
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda has one great achievement.
  Fucking over New Zealand to turn us SOCIALIST!
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:54pm
Maggie Pie

I remember a boyfriend taking me to see ‘Arachnophobia’ thinking it would scare my pants off.
It didn’t. But this did 🙁

https://twitter.com/weirdterrifying/status/1614115504972779520
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January 15, 2023 10:55am
- Ghost
  
  Oh damn, I need more bug spray……
  
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  January 15, 2023 10:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Don’t bother with that odorless RAID…..f**ing useless!!
    
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    January 15, 2023 11:03am
ClanMcleod

Leaked video has emerged of Klaus Schwab and some of his buddies holding a crisis meeting just before the upcoming Davos elites gather for the WEF party.

https://metatron.substack.com/p/leaked-video-from-the-wef-global?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android

He’s speaking in German and I can’t verify the accuracy of the subtitles.
But Klaus doesn’t look very happy…….
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January 15, 2023 11:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh boy, that is ‘Gold!’
  ‘Don’t cry Jaspinda’ hahahahaha
  
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  January 15, 2023 6:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I imagine many folks are going to think twice about taking buses in Lower Hutt.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130976753/multiple-people-injured-in-aggravated-robbery-on-wellington-bus
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January 15, 2023 11:39am
- Ghost
  
  Wrap around support and back out on the street before you can say labour are weak on crime, sorry, labour actively support crime.
  
  Six people were taken in to custody of which five of the offenders would be referred to Youth Services, while one 19-year-old woman was held in custody and appeared in Lower Hutt District Court on Saturday.
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:44am
- kowtow
  
  That’ll bring the crime wave to a screaming stop …….referred to ‘Youth Services’.
  
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  January 15, 2023 11:46am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Seaview Rd? That’s the route to & from Eastbourne. Not a whole lot of deprivation going on there.
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:22pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

Just caught the news that Chynah has reported 60,000 Covid related deaths in the last month!
The figure relates to only those deaths at medical facilities so the real number is likely to be much higher. And Uni of HK researchers have estimated more than a million Chinese may die this winter.
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January 15, 2023 11:52am
- Cinematic
  
  I expect so, the population exceeds a billion. Though is about to plummet in any case due to birth rates of last few decades.
  
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  January 15, 2023 12:25pm
- Simon
  
  “Chynah has reported 60,000 Covid related deaths in the last month!”
  
  That might be true. But regard everything from that shit hole as fake.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:45pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The CCP’s stocks of salable livers, lungs and hearts have never been better.
  
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  January 15, 2023 3:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So how do they go about blood transfusions from those who are un-vaccinated?
    
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    January 15, 2023 6:07pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Never trust China, china is asshoe. Chinese reality will be closer to 2 million dead over this quarter (1-2000 per million). Middle of winter (gets really cold in china), low vit D levels, crappy nutrition, badly heated houses, terrible availability of medical services through most of china (very bureaucratic and user pays), a whole lot of very poor old people with large numbers of them living alone with adult children emigrated to coastal cities. And a govt that fundamentally doesn’t give a shit about it’s population.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:45pm
MCōs

Oh the humanity!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64273973
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January 15, 2023 12:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Well spotted Cossie.
  I’ve been following the creep on Twitter and he’s been getting sooo much grief there as well…..good job!!
  
  https://twitter.com/2383Clarence/status/1613247458632695808
  
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  January 15, 2023 12:16pm
- Ghost
  
  Reading about the phone messages the other day, he won’t be needing these cars for a very long time.
  
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  January 15, 2023 12:17pm
- Simon
  
  Good for his profile. He will monetize his big new MSM exposure. Idiots.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:47pm
Jack5

Praise for Kiwiblog itself.

The fast moderation over long hours at Kiwiblog has been first class over the Christmas-New Year holidays.

It’s better than in previous years, and has allowed discussion to continue over longer parts of the day and evening. The moderation time between posting and appearance has also been less than in the past.

Thank you to DPF and his moderators for keeping the forum so open while traditional media go into their usual end-of-year slumber.
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January 15, 2023 12:22pm
- Cassandra
  
  Comments on the UK Telegraph are moderated by some sort of word check, posted instantly then deleted within seconds if it contains something verboten. Kiwiblog’s are often slow which impacts the quality of the debate. Trans: Cassandra’s comments should be posted quicker, like immediately.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:12pm
- Simon
  
  Yep moderation a lot better. There was one particular sensitive flower mod who seems to have moved on?
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    Or did 🦇he fly on?
    
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    January 15, 2023 3:00pm
Bridgenag

Totally agree…… There was a bad stage where it took 4 hours to get a post and by the time it surfaced the thread had moved on. ………….. Bad trolls as well. There has to be a limit when there are obvious trolls spoiling the whole site.
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January 15, 2023 12:39pm
- Mike
  
  Yes, the comments threads are much bteer since moderation was introduced.
  
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  January 15, 2023 12:53pm
  - Cassandra
    
    I’d like to see “hidden” earned by fewer downticks. Only for some people.
    
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    January 15, 2023 2:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Meany!
      
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      January 15, 2023 6:28pm
Maggie Pie

Chatting with one of the girls after Church earlier.

She lives in Epsom so we got to comparing our CV’s. Ours were WAY higher of course.

Although I was staggered when Max told me she’d read a book during the holidays and reckoned at one stage you could buy land in Remuera for the equivalent of $200 an acre!
I said to her but that wouldn’t be on The Avenue?
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January 15, 2023 1:39pm
- Cassandra
  
  It was free for Ngapuhi. And they threw in a feed!
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And what a feed that must have been….
    
    https://kura.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/digital/collection/photos/id/85363/
    
    https://natlib.govt.nz/records/23134519?search%5Bi%5D%5Biwihapu_authority_id%5D=-335977&search%5Bpath%5D=items
    
    Except it wasn’t Ngapuhi; it was the Waikato tribe
    Ngatimahuta!
    
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    January 15, 2023 3:46pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ouch!
      
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      January 15, 2023 6:29pm
- Taieri
  
  Is that what people go to churches for nowadays? To compare their CV’s?
  And I thought they did that to fulfill their spiritual needs.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:53pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Maggie – is inflation so high that Remuera housewives are needing to apply for jobs?
  
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  January 15, 2023 6:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nah. The forecourt people collect her Porch, fill it with petrol and return the Porch.
    
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    January 15, 2023 6:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You mean like ‘census-takers’ Piney?
    
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    January 15, 2023 6:56pm
pdm

Quote from someone on facebook – is it true?

`There is no requirement by a democratically elected government to hear submissions from everyone on many issues – eg National never even told the public they were going to sell off thousands of state houses to the private sector, until just months before they did it – they just evicted state tenants out of their homes and sold off the stock – the housing situation has never recovered!
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January 15, 2023 2:26pm
- Mike
  
  Partially true.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:55pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Bureaucrats have never built a house. Any they have were taken from the private sector. However they have stopped the private sector from building affordable houses and in a huge number of cases from building anything at all.
  
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  January 15, 2023 2:57pm
- artemisia
  
  Labour has often said that National sold off thousands of state houses, and people of course repeat it. Actually it is true.
  
  However – most were sold at a deep discount to Community Housing Providers, to enable management in the local community, and tenants qualify for the same income related (taxpayer subsidised cheap as chips) rent they always did.*
  
  More were sold or set aside for intensive redevelopment, including social housing, notably in Glen Innes and Marfell but also other places. Tenants were all offered relocation to other social housing.
  
  Then there were the homes uneconomic to repair, or for which there was no demand, bearing in mind the social housing waiting list was then a fraction of its current size.
  
  Then nearly 600 hundred tenants paying market rent (no subsidy) were required and supported to move to the private sector.
  
  * There were conditions and most are still social housing. But a few CHPs onsold some or all and new owners were not required to retain existing tenants and income related rent. The ones I know about were old and presumably the CHPs determined the proceeds of sale would be better spent elsewhere.
  
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  January 15, 2023 3:13pm
  - pdm
    
    Thanks arti.
    
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    January 15, 2023 6:56pm
  - Simon Arnold
    
    If we are talking here about the 1990 reforms I was quite closely involved. The problem was there were two forms of assistance, those who had state houses benefited more than those of similar need who rented from the private sector. The reforms introduced a standard benefit (the accommodation supplement) that applied regardless of property owner. It retained direct housing provision for those with particular special needs.
    
    This did mean some tenants became worse off, but others got more assistance.
    
    With uniform assistance regardless of ownership it mattered less who owned the property and it allowed disposal of stock, particularly houses that were not serving any particular social purpose but were locked up in government ownership by the previous rules.
    
    A subsequent administration reintroduced special benefits for those that happened to be in publicly owned houses, but I’ve lost touch with what’s happened since.
    
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    January 15, 2023 7:08pm
    - artemisia
      
      True enough Simon, though sales to CHPs were later. The rental world changed again when Labour removed the Accommodation Supplement for state (social) housing in 2000. This had the effect of creating two levels of potential taxpayer subsidy, each based mostly on income, but one much more generous than the other in similar circs. Yip, yip ….
      
      No surprises in the last few years that demand has skyrocketed. Might have rather a lot to do with the private sector having to deal with increased costs and compliance, and tenure changes that lead to much more stringent risk assessment by landlords.
      
      Of course social housing costs and compliance have to be met by taxpayers too, but somehow it’s not quite the same.
      
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      January 15, 2023 7:37pm
      - pdm
        
        arti Kainga Ora don’t seem to worry about compliance from what I read.
        
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        January 15, 2023 8:48pm
    - pdm
      
      If we are talking here about the 1990 reforms I was quite closely involved.
      
      No the 2008/2017 period Simon but thanks for your answer.
      
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      January 15, 2023 8:46pm
  - cmm
    
    “Actually it is true.”
    
    The best lies are always wrapped in the truth.
    
    Yes, it is true but it is also a lie because it is designed to deceive.
    
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    January 16, 2023 7:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do it again. Oh no, we need the votes! 2023.
  
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  January 15, 2023 6:48pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/300782259/tmaki-makaurau-named-as-one-of-the-best-places-to-eat-in-2023

“Comments have been closed on this story”.
BUT….. no comments have been posted !
I wonder why.
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January 15, 2023 3:03pm
NothingLeft

Super interesting long-form discussion with contentious republican congressman Matt Gaetz being very open and explaining so much nuance of modern US political process, the real politik that goes on behind the wall to wall propagandizing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2dgVuS2QY
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January 15, 2023 3:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Impeach Joe Biden?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EtQvs56GQQU
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January 15, 2023 3:51pm
- NothingLeft
  
  DNC want Biden impeached to be rid of him from 2024 race, otherwise this security issue would have been quietly swept under the carpet instead of reported. Why would Republican house want to assist DNC in their goals?
  
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  January 15, 2023 4:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Vaccinate against something that does not exist?
Dr Ryan Cole.
Time for a NUREMBERG 2.0
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0NvcwDKZw0I
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January 15, 2023 4:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

US. The danger is from within. Didn’t Ronald Reagan warn of this?
https://twitter.com/LovelyGigi33/status/1582754037157404672
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January 15, 2023 4:19pm
- MCōs
  
  And he was the only one who could save the country from the screaming commie hoards
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Commie hourds are back.
    They have never seen hardship, they have never seen what Wars do.
    
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    January 15, 2023 6:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Davos. Head of FBI is there?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/miZUWNZFTsaO/
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January 15, 2023 4:30pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf.
My partner’s mum was saying if she did nothing else but watch telly, she’d believe white heterosexuals were all a figment of her imagination.
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January 15, 2023 4:44pm
- MCōs
  
  Tell her to watch the local cricket instead of American sport.
  Conversely get out more.
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:09pm
- greybeard
  
  If she means the advertisements then I agree with her.
  It is as if NZ has suddenly become a brown place.
  
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  January 15, 2023 5:35pm
  - Inandout
    
    At least with YouTube annoying ads can be curtailed and the worst IMO is the Powershop one.
    
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    January 15, 2023 6:36pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP…it’s the Bank ad’s that really piss her off.
    
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    January 15, 2023 6:53pm
- pdm
  
  Sorry fat fingers.
  
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  January 15, 2023 6:59pm
Jack5

For folk who don’t mind live NZ livestock shipments to China, this may be relevant.

It’s a video clip of donkeys being unloaded after being transported from Xinjiang, the old Sinkiang, occupied by China in 1949.

Apparently Chinese farmers buy them for the equivalent of about $NZ1,000 to $NZ1500 each.

The transport section begins about 6:10 into the video clip.

https://youtu.be/Y4_6FsoqzQg
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January 15, 2023 8:38pm
- NothingLeft
  
  CIA did a roaring trade in transporting tens of thousands of Tennessee donkeys to the Mujahedeen in 1980’s Afghanistan to transport the military aid they provided (read Charlie Wilson’s War) , but this created a real media vulnerability; because of the pervasive bestiality that the Mujahedeen indulged in wouldn’t have gone down well with US voters.
  
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  January 15, 2023 8:52pm
Ghost

Awww, does this mean he has to hand in his super hero cape, stop wearing undies outside his pants and no longer be supreme leader

A New Zealand-born bikie gang boss alleged to be masterminding a global drug empire from Turkey has reportedly been arrested.

The Daily Mail is reporting that Duax “Dax” Hohepa Ngakuru, who was born in Rotorua, has been arrested in Turkey.

Earlier this month it was reported that Ngakuru had become the new “Supreme Commander” of the now-worldwide Comanchero motorcycle club.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-born-comancheros-supreme-commander-duax-ngakuru-reportedly-arrested-in-turkey/4JNMVYIKS5AMTC3DMQGH74INQ4/
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January 15, 2023 10:12pm
- kevn
  
  @Ghost…. A longish Turkish jail stay for this critter would be fine by me.
  
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  January 16, 2023 8:06am
NZer In Exile

Konstantine Kisin Gives a Reality Check to Indoctrinated Woke Students at the Oxford Union:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/14/konstantin-kisin-this-house-believes-woke-culture-has-gone-too-far-7-8-oxford-union-via-climate-change/
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