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krazykiwi

If you watch nothing else today, make it this: Brought to you by Pfizer (in 78 seconds).

Pfizer enthusiasts around here are standing by to tell you these media personalities’ very public collapses are unfortunate coincidences. Perhaps some them are. Who knows? You be the judge.
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January 13, 2023 8:01am
- dave_c_
  
  “unfortunate coincidences” – Indeed, unfortunately these poor folks coincidentally met Pfizers Covid solution.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:07am
- krazykiwi
  
  Adding to this, some people are waking up, including the parents of teens who are starting to ask if their children are safe to play sports at school given the number of athletes who have been seen collapsing.
  
  Some school are listening. Everett Public Schools which covers 11 schools is offering free ‘Screen Your Teen‘ EKG heart screening. Of course the ‘vaccination’ elephant in the room is never mentioned, but good on them for the initiative. More here.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:46am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    colleges in US requiring student athletes to have ecg before season starts
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:36am
    - Paulus
      
      ECG is only an indication of current position at the time.
      
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      January 13, 2023 1:12pm
- KiwiBattler
  
  Not sure where I read this but it’s spot on!!
  
  Finally some experts speaking out about the concerning rise in young, healthy people collapsing with heart issues.
  “It’s too early to say what could be causing this, but it’s never too early to say what isn’t causing this,” said local expert, Dr. Scott Rufflinger. “This could be caused by anything. But the one thing we know for certain is that it’s definitely not what we’re all thinking that’s behind this — if you know what I mean. We can go ahead and rule that thing out right now because Science just called us on the phone and told us not to discuss it. We always follow Science.”
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:12am
  - coge
    
    Of course. It’s clearly a result of climate change.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:36am
  - JohnRidd
    
    That was from Babylon Bee.
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:36pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, read it yesterday and had a good laugh
      
      https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-say-they-dont-know-what-thing-is-causing-everyone-to-suddenly-collapse-but-its-definitely-not-that-one-thing
      
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      January 13, 2023 3:51pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        They are very good but this was particularly perceptive.
        
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        January 13, 2023 5:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is gold. Tried to post on FB. It’s blocked, so that proves the fact checkers do not have a sense of humour. Must be lefties.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:41am
  - blue collar
    
    Those Facebook lefties will be after your black jellybeans next steveo !
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:16am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I am certainly getting close to a holiday!
      18 year olds in short pants, who know nothing of the real World.
      
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      January 13, 2023 11:08am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Steve Otto – 16 year olds want to vote in general election. They are worried about climate change and want action. What say you?
        
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        January 13, 2023 12:51pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        But hey don’t you love the farmers in the deep South with shorts and gumboots on in the snow….. where else in the world…..shame we will have the pine trees instead…..
        
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        January 13, 2023 1:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Cullen. They can vote when they pay Rates and Income Tax
        
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        January 13, 2023 1:59pm
- Joe Banana
  
  I’ll just leave this here
  
  Vaxxie, vaxxie, so obsessed,
  Wore your mask and took your tests.
  Still got COVID, every strain,
  Spike proteins inside your brain.
  
  Short of breath at 24,
  “Dr. Fauci, gimmie more!”
  Proteins tangle and misfold,
  Amyloidosis taking hold.
  
  Swollen heart at 25,
  “Thank Moderna I’m alive!”
  There’s no cure for microclot,
  Getting worse with every shot.
  
  Heart attack at 26,
  Prayed to Pfizer for a fix.
  Vaxxie, vaxxie, death is lurking,
  Doctor says, “that means it’s working.”
  
  Died of SADS at 27,
  All good vaxxies go to heaven.
  Obituary headline noted:
  “Anti-Vaxxer Dies of COVID.”
  
  His family is quite upset,
  But they’re alive, at least on net.
  And, they say, “it’s for the better,”
  Without the vax “he would be deade
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:57pm
- Philview
  
  I just read that Lisa Marie Presley joined the list this morning. She was resuscitated but current condition unknown.
  
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  January 13, 2023 1:02pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    She has died.
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:28pm
Biscuit

‘Fawlty Towers’ … 12 episodes total

‘Mr Bean’ … 15 episodes total

‘Shortland Street’ … about to enter its 31st SEASON
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January 13, 2023 8:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, and from what i have been told its all about maori and pacifica, and most are gay or bi
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:07am
  - rouppe
    
    Awhile ago I started watching the newish Start Trek Discovery.
    
    First season, not bad.
    Later seasons, ok, sometimes a bit boring.
    Last season, full on woke. Stopped watching it. Drove me nuts
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:15am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Shortland Street is and has always been a waste of space – the time you spend watching it is that part of your life you will never get back.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:16am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Pro tip Don: you never get any of it back!
      
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      January 13, 2023 11:06am
- Dougal10
  
  Isn’t shortland street just reality tv with the camera crews having a summer holiday as the seasonal break . I’m sure I read somewhere that Angry Andy was advertising for nurses on it . //
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    From what I heard it only lasted a couple of weeks, they have bad memories, because Doctor Warner was an alt rightie several elections ago, he got off side with staff, but he was a role leftie the last two elections, poor poor production I would have thought
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  Fawlty Towers and Mr Bean; Quality and still generating worldwide income for their respective owners
  
  Shortland Street; Trash, subsidised by NZ taxpayers for decades with zero or thereabouts interest from worldwide viewers
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:21am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    I recall watching the first 10 mins of the first episode of Shortland St. It was such god-awful dross with inept acting, I have never watched any of it since.
    
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    January 13, 2023 8:45am
    - Swifty
      
      You’re not in Guatemala now Dr Ropata.
      
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      January 13, 2023 9:02am
    - Sacha
      
      “You’re not in Guatemala now, Dr . . . . . .” were the last words I heard.
      And then there was that series about a crime family in West Auckland. I think I gave it a couple of go’s but in the end lost interest.
      And the TV has been sitting silent in the corner since September 2017.
      Silence is golden.
      
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      January 13, 2023 9:04am
  - Ghost
    
    Self funding from advertising and sales to the overseas market. No govt funding except that stupid attempt to convince people to become nurses from it
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:55am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Shortland Street has received $9,030,662 in funding from NZ On Air, plus the nursing promotional funding which has been kept secret.
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:13am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I thought the promotional thing was free cause NZ on air funding, pretty sure that is what Little said, mind you, he has misled us before
        
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        January 13, 2023 10:39am
      - Ghost
        
        Their last funding was in 1994 apart from a doco
        
        https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/search/?search_type=decisions&q=Shortland+street
        
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        January 13, 2023 10:50am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “zero or thereabouts interest internationally”?
    
    Come on kk, Wikipedia tells me “In Canada, the series was aired on the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network during 2001 and 2002.”
    
    Oh, right. Heh.
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:10am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I’m with In Vino Veritas above. I watched it once, and the acting was worse than the typical preschool nativity play. New Zealand as a tourist destination must surely be harmed when foreigners are subjected to this manifest uselessness.
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:12pm
- Rusty
  
  @Biscuit.
  
  Shortland Street is probably no better or worse than the Aussie Soaps Neighbours and Home and Away.
  
  Not that I watch any of them.
  
  The Repair shop is the best programme on TVNZ in my opinion.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:23am
  - Biscuit
    
    Oh agreed, Rusty…
    
    Way way back in the day – this’d be 1966, I think – the talk in the playground at college would be what had happened in ‘Coronation St’ the preious night. Only one channel in them dark black-and-white days and nothing else TO talk about, heh.
    
    Then ‘The Avengers’ started and we would all fantastise about, to paraphrase Prince Harry, getting our asses slapped by ‘Mrs Peel’ after we had done the deed…
    
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    January 13, 2023 8:54am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Produced by a Kiwi
    
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    January 13, 2023 8:57am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I’m waiting for the episode with Willie Jackson.
    
    “Cheers cuz, I got these 2 state broadcasting entities that seem to be a bit stuffed”
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rush for me. Gas Monkey Garage. Man they have some good metalworking machinery.
    English wheel, Jenny, mini pressbrake. Let me at it!
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:51am
  - Observer of Life
    
    The Repair Shop is excellent. Some amazing talent, alive and well.
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:21pm
- cmm
  
  It’s the shortest programme on TV.
  
  “Click”
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:09am
- pdm
  
  Biscuit – obviously you are watching far too much TV.
  
  Get out pronto for a round of golf.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:15am
  - Biscuit
    
    1.30 pm Tee Off, pdm, for our first game of 2023!
    
    I feel … LETHAL.
    
    My golfing nemeisis – a mate who I have NEVER beaten – has been nailed a photo of my new Christmas Present golf club … a 12-bore shotgun!
    
    Let’s see him birdie his way past THAT, eh?
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:21am
    - Biscuit
      
      My typing AIN’T improved much over the Festive Season.
      
      Pray read ‘mailed’ rather than ‘nailed’ up above!
      
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      January 13, 2023 9:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Short of Talent Street.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:44am
- Chris R
  
  I don’t have a TV which functions and I don’t care!
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You want one? I have one that is stuck on TV1.
    Can’t be changed according to the speaker of the house.
    
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    January 13, 2023 2:46pm
Im Right

If TVNZ/RNZ merger goes ahead…Shortland Street will end in its 31st season.
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January 13, 2023 8:08am
- Toes on the nose
  
  To be replaced by…te tiriti potowhenua
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Cindy will fly in on her rainbow unicorn and gift 10s of millions of dollars because an NZ staple for viewers, bwhahahahaha
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:05am
- trout
  
  No, it will be renamed Aroha Street, written in ‘minglish’ and have a cast of ‘people of colour’; receive maximum financial support from ‘NZ on Air’ to make up for minimum support from viewers and advertisers.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Rainbow street!
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:40am
- Paulus
  
  From Shortland Street I am learning my Maori so when I go to Hospital I can communicate with them, althought I am still straight, and in the Maori Hospital where all the staff are.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:36am
Ehlana

I think Coronation Street is still the longest running soap. It started in 1960 apparently.

But New Zealand can lay claim to Country Calendar, which started in 1966, as one of the world’s longest running agricultural information shows.
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January 13, 2023 8:12am
- peterwn
  
  “The Archers” (a BBC soap opera started 1951) would beat Coronation Street but The Archers is a radio show.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It used to be on here before the 4 o’clock news through the week when I was younger
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:06am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The Archers is still a BBC Radio 4 staple twice a day.
    
    Coronation Street went to air on 9th December 1960 on Granada TV (ITV).
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:56pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Hmm.. have you watched the American animated ‘Archer’. Hilarious. Very very unPC. They’re spooks.
    Can’t remember if it’s on Netflix or …?? Good old school entertainment.
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:28pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Country Calendar has ventured into some ‘interesting’ cultural/political/social areas in the last few years. My country friends tell me that not every programme depicts reality (and they’re not all ardent National supporters…).
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:24am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , I’ve detected a very “Sustainability” theme creeping in where ever possible.
    
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    January 13, 2023 8:58am
  - Ruahine
    
    Many of the episodes of Country Calender are now actually anti-farming which of course suits this Gov’t agenda and their attacks on food production. It is of course funded by NZ on Air. Funded by our taxes.
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:02am
    - Paulus
      
      NZ on Air actually is the conduit for funds the Public Propaganda Interest Journalism fund ($55 mill plus) through the back door, so it is kept quiet from public scrutiny.
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:39am
      - Jack5
        
        The subsidised media is pushing Labour hard as general election looms this year.
        
        The bias is such that you have to wonder what’s up when a Leftist Stuff reporter like Glenn McConnell interviews ACT’s Karen Chhour?
        
        What is McConnell up to?
        
        Lets hope that Mr Seymour is wising up his backbenchers on the dangers of fraternisation with the enemy.
        
        McConnell meets Chhour:
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130822281/summer-off-politics-acts-karen-chhours-plan-to-meet-family-for-the-first-time
        
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        January 13, 2023 11:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Correct, it’s all down the climate change bullshittery, the Lake Hawea station regenerative program got a huge negative response
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:07am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I seldom watch Country Calendar, but there seems to be an increasing focus on those involved in non-traditional farming.
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You mean like planting trees that will never be cut down?
      
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      January 13, 2023 2:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Our Alaskan friends like Country Calendar on Youtube.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:03am
  - I remember when
    
    Regenerative farming would appear to be one that it has limited use in New Zealand.
    It seems to work best in tropical areas and/or areas where severe droughts are relatively frequent.
    Useful when trying to restore regions at risk of desertification or where excessive grazing leaves large patches of bare earth in grassland areas.
    Much less benefit if there is usually sufficient rainfall to regenerate pasture.
    Also, there are already elements of both regenerative and organic farming being used by our farmers.
    Despite the suggestions of their detractors our farmers are continually changing their farming practices.
    
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    January 13, 2023 2:42pm
- rangitoto
  
  The longest running TV show of all, is the BBC Sky at Night. Started April 1957 and still going. To be fair it only airs monthly.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:43am
crackle

Slowly but surely we’re starting to see something other than boost boost boost. https://time.com/6246525/bivalent-booster-not-very-effective-paul-offit/
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January 13, 2023 8:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  On the radio this morning they say they are trialing an NZ made booster that works on all variants, they say it works well if initial jabs have been taken, but still till be trialled on humans, how they know it works well is beyond me
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Guess who won’t be taking it?
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:06am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Me
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:41am
  - Paulus
    
    In respect of the Vaccine Booster whatever it still has so many medical, social and political checks that any human use will be, correctly, many years away.
    However, it is good that we are actually doing collectively by trained scientisits, that are still here, something positive as the Virus will be around for a very long time.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:43am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    OK, so you don’t know how they can know it works without trials on humans.
    
    And how does that make it different from any other medical product that has ever been developed?
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:23pm
  - zulumonster
    
    The clinical trials were stated to be starting later this year, with availability at your GP still a few years away. So all up a 5 year cycle to develop to general availability to the public.
    Also it is not an MRNA type vaccine but a more traditional one.
    In other words a normal lifecycle for the development of a vaccine?
    Chances of it getting a high take-up rate? Slim to none IMO …
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:42pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Prince Harry has an Aussie chum.

Perrottet said his [Nazi] costume has caused him “much anxiety” throughout his life and career.

I’ll bet!

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/01/new-south-wales-premier-dominic-perrottet-admits-to-terrible-mistake-wearing-nazi-uniform-at-his-21st-birthday.html
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January 13, 2023 8:34am
- Biscuit
  
  NMTB, ain’t it strange that Harry was sufficiently aware that wearing a Nazi armband, even to a party attended by mates, might cause offense and so sought approval from his bro and his wife … but didn’t think to ask any more senior members of his family – his ‘Pa’, his Grandad or Her Madge…
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:57am
  - Cassandra
    
    It ain’t strange, he’s a total f…….wit. Staggeringly so. Reading extracts makes me feel nauseated. How come 1.4 million people bought it? I can understand 100,000 by media, book reviewers, a few thousand idiots, but where did the other 1.3 million come from?
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:31pm
  - Ehlana
    
    If he was “sufficiently aware that wearing a Nazi armband, even to a party attended by mates, might cause offense”, how is it he didn’t think for himself “I am a member of the British Royal Family, so I better not do this.”
    
    How old was he at the time?
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:35pm
    - Ghost
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:38pm
  - Paulus
    
    But this sort of thing it was acceptable by both brothers, and their girlfriends at the time, as they both boys went to Eton where everything is OK except to the peasants.
    They are above mere people.
    
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    January 13, 2023 1:18pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So that’s why so many English prime ministers attended Eton.
      
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      January 13, 2023 3:03pm
      - Paulus
        
        Because one of the things that happen are created by the Eton Mafia – believe me I know the collective power of OEs that they have.
        Ascends many aspects of Political, Public Service, Military and Financial moves that go on, and are not seen.
        
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        January 14, 2023 1:11pm
- Inandout
  
  NM, apoologise constantly and you are doomed because the woke will keep riding you. Never apologise, never comment, never explain.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:30am
The Redbaiter

Mr Luxon said this at a press conference early last year.

If he wins govt, do you think he’s going to be getting rid of Ardern’s numerous new Stasi style spy agencies as he should?

“.. Misinformation disinformation is a real problem everywhere around the world, we need to ask what more could we be doing to break down misinformation/disinformation, we have to work with social media companies & platforms around the algorithms…”
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January 13, 2023 8:35am
- Clownworld
  
  Same company different department.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  “If he wins govt, do you think he’s going to be getting rid of Ardern’s numerous new Stasi style spy agencies as he should?”
  
  No, but what will change is this: the National True Believers will start explaining why the nice, blue-style totalitarianism is so essential.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:31am
  - dave_c_
    
    Alas, totatlitarianism is being rolled out around the world – irrespective of what style of government is in power.
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:25am
    - Miritu
      
      Latest exhibit: Rishi Sunak
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:38pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Exactly. His pile-on against Andrew Bridgen is disgraceful. But then Sunak is the WEF-approved controller of the UK, so casually exhibited authoritatianism is an essential attribute.
        
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        January 13, 2023 1:38pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Keep up the good work RB. Well spotted!
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is telling bullshit, notice no bloody link
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:42am
    - Jack5
      
      Did Ardern go ahead with plans for tougher controls on speech in the Crimes Act, and take measures out of the Human Rights Act?
      
      In a quick, very light search I couldn’t find any relevant amendments.
      
      One of the promoters of less free speech was Chris Faffoi, who, Ardern said, decided to leave Parliament to spend time with his family as his youngest son starts school.
      
      In fact, Faffoi launched a lobbying and PR firm, Dialogue22, and here is some of its self-description on its web site:
      
      We know how Government works at the highest level.
      
      We know why and how journalists ask questions and we know how to be ready to answer them.
      
      We work with clients to get their perspectives ready to be in front of decision-makers, the public and the media.
      
      From 18 months ago, Labour’s threats to free speech:
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/445495/hate-speech-govt-plans-new-law-tougher-penalties
      
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      January 13, 2023 11:43am
- coge
  
  Should Luxon become PM, all evidence suggests he’ll be no less complicit in the dehumanization, segregation and persecution of his fellow NZers. As his predecessor is.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:51am
  - Ghost
    
    When Luxon becomes PM we will move from a Covid emergency to a climate emergency.
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:07am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Yes Ghost – I won’t be surprised if Mr Luxon increases ETS levy and in addition impose additional climate change levies to tackle climate emergency.
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:55pm
- The Redbaiter
  
  For the Dunedin sceptic (who seems to have a lot of trouble moving past a “red bad blue good” concept of politics), I’ve uploaded to twitter the video of Mr Luxon making this statement, in a press conference held in March 2022.
  
  https://twitter.com/i/status/1613675486525423616
  
  Twice he’s been badly wrong today (and his uptickers). I guess it would be a waste of time asking for a polite apology.
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:19pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    [Mod – no need for that and I suggest before you attack someone you look at the links, 2 of them, that he has supplied].
    
    , you said Mallard stood up in parliament and spouted and thanked Luxon , he did not that was bullshit, Mallard was nowhere now the house for weeks after the riots, and if you are referring to something about misinformation then a lot of what happened there was misinformation , once those idiots from Tamkis church were involved it was stuffed, I know of a couple of people in Dunedin who drove to the protest and both returned angry those crackpots got involved, I was supportive to the cause at the beginning, but not once idiots were involved, don’t say idiots were not involved because yes they were.
    
    Now, where is that parliament rant you talk of ? you vote Act if you like , but do not try brain washing us that have left ACT because of their arrogance
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:58pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree. I’ve been surfing the Web to see if I could find what Mallard is alleged to have said but I can’t find anything nearly close.
      IMO, someone’s been taking lessons from the US Democrats in how to spread mis/disinformation.
      
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      January 13, 2023 1:31pm
      - Ghost
        
        Redbaiter provided the video hours ago
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/01/general_debate_13_january_2023.html/comment-page-1#comment-3302824
        
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        January 13, 2023 1:45pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Ghost @ 1:45PM
        The linked video doesn’t show Luxon as purported.
        
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        January 13, 2023 2:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        Actually he does show luxon talking about misinformation, and redbaiters other video does show mallard thanking luxon
        
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        January 13, 2023 2:34pm
  - Mike
    
    Luckily Redbaiter always apologises when he gets things wrong.
    
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    January 13, 2023 1:14pm
All_on_Red

Hmm, storing Classified documents in your Garage.
Sounds legit!
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2023/01/12/great-news-biden-classified-docs-found-in-wilmington-garage-and-an-adjacent-room-n523304
Once is forgivable, twice awkward but three times now?
To be fair, poor ole Joe is pretty confused these days.
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January 13, 2023 8:36am
- Swifty
  
  I note with interest that every single article I’ve read on this matter on NZ news media sites state ‘that there are differences’ between Biden’s and Trump’s possession of classified documents.
  
  Every single one. Why would they feel the need to mention this? It makes the articles sound more like spin than news pieces.
  
  And here’s yet another one this morning:
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300783547/special-counsel-to-investigate-classified-documents-found-in-bidens-personal-library
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:58am
  - herb1
    
    Yes there are differences between Biden and Trump , but not in the kind way the media wish to portray towards Biden.
    Trump was President , Biden Vice President.
    Trump stored his classified docs in one place , Biden in 3 ( at least)
    Trumps papers were in a secure place with Secret Service protection, Biden’s weren’t.
    Trumps papers were only stored for around 12 months , Biden’s for 6 years.
    The media are making out Biden is proactive in coming forward with this info in contrast to Trump.
    Trump had no reason to go public as an ex President he obviously believed he had the right to the docs , whereas Biden kept it quiet for 6 years and has only come out because of the crap he heaped upon Trump for a lesser evil.
    How many people believe his lawyers were simply doing there job of cleaning out Biden’s office , and mysteriously found secret docs.
    I don’t know any lawyers who as part of there job , clean people’s offices.
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:09am
    - Vory v zakone
      
      No No No! According to
      Andrew McCabe on #FakeNews CNN, the differences between Trump’s case and Bumblin’ Joe’s is like “night and day” 🤪
      However according to the Whistleblowers in the FBI, when it comes to CORRUPTION in that agency, all roads lead to Andrew McCabe 💥
      
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      January 13, 2023 7:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here is a thought. Joe knows where his classified documents are. He is telling his aides/authorities to get them out and notify the media before all the documents are found by someone else and get him in a lot of trouble.
  Remember, these are Democrats, they are cunning bastards.
  This scenario seems very likely to me.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:15am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Joe can’t remember what flavour ice-cream he had yesterday. There’s zero chance he can remember where he left any documents.
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think he does know, he just has trouble converting brain thinking into speech.
      It is a possibility.
      On the other hand, his aides/authorities may know.
      
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      January 13, 2023 11:59am
    - Cassandra
      
      “Let’s go, Brandon”.
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:34pm
    - kowtow
      
      Creepy Joe doesn’t know the difference between the Secret Service and the Sallies .
      
      Now had that been Trump ,it would be a bigly world “news” story .
      
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      January 13, 2023 2:25pm
- RoboRob
  
  This one seems pretty serious. A batch of documents, note no numbers specified, found in a ‘secure garage’. This is media handling at its best. Obviously the number is significant, otherwise they would have specified it. ‘A secure garage’, pull the other one. As I said yesterday, office filling cabinets all come with a lock, describing this as a secure location is laughable. A garage is generally the least secure part of a persons house.
  
  The real issue though, is how and why Biden had these documents. He was not the President and had no legitimate authority to declassify or access these documents (outside of a secure lock up). ‘Luckily’ the media is more focused on the Trump comparison than actually looking at this as a story.
  
  At least the dept of justice has assigned a special investigator, although they kind of had to after Trump. I have no idea whether the investigator assigned is friendly to Biden or not.
  
  Yesterday I said Bidens issues shouldn’t effect any Trump prosecution (or other) however after this latest story it seems likely the Trump prosecution will disappear. This seems to prove those who said ‘All presidents have confidential documents’ as a defense of Trump, correct. I wonder if we should check Obama, Bush and Clinton?
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:15am
- NothingLeft
  
  If they are spread around multiple locations – and held in a garage of a private residence co-owned by Hunter – and are related to countries Hunter was being paid by, there is clearly intent by Joe – Mens Rea. US classified document laws are very clear that there does not even need to be intent (though there clearly is) in such cases, if the documents are taken out of secure locations that is a crime. Go to jail, do not pass go.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:23am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The secrets documents in Biden’s 1209 Barley Mill Road Delaware garage is blowing up… with peripheral info like Hunter renting it from Joe for $600k/year, when house is only worth ~$1.8million. Clearly money laundering. 10% for the big guy.
    
    https://twitter.com/jj_talking/status/1613575158127788033/photo/1
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:58pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Tucker Carlson’s commentary on Biden – says it’s clear that DNC is working to defenestrate Biden to clear way for another candidate in ’24.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe8XvgJsn60
    
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    January 13, 2023 4:10pm
Bridgenag

After a post showing alternative sources for News I tried some. This post could apply to NZ. This is from Metatron Question the Narrative A much longer article there.
“Remember how the MSM and public health authorities blared the corona figures in 2020-2021 on an almost daily basis? Daily case counts, daily hospitalisations, and daily deaths were reported with breathtaking alarm from media outlet: every radio news broadcast, tv news broadcast, newspaper headlines, internet headlines, public health press conferences were streamed live, and talking-head epidemiologists and virologists were a staple on news talk-shows. How things changed in 2022 once most had gotten “boostered” and the Covid-19 pandemic had reputedly ended. Now we in Germany have record-high deaths and a record decline in births, but you wouldn’t know it from the MSM. You would barely even recognise it from the latest Destatis press release”
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January 13, 2023 8:36am
Gravelroad

Saw a video today of an alleged professional ‘book binder’ tearing off end papers and covers of books by J. K. Rowling- cause they didn’t approve of Ms Rowling’s views on transgenderism.
This person attached new covers with different information and is selling them for $US150.
Cool way to make money out of someone else’s work by stealing it, repackaging and selling on for a good profit – no worries about copyright.
Some people are above the law.
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January 13, 2023 8:36am
- Taieri
  
  It used to be illegal to sell books with changed covers.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:11am
- Jack5
  
  The author sells publishing rights, so it is up to the publisher to go after vandals like this.
  
  Presumably the activist is buying the books from retail shops, and the fact that he is reselling them as, in effect, secondhand books, might make this an interesting legal question.
  
  There was a case in Christchurch where a man was buying container loads of “remaindered” (quit as surplus or unsaleable) books in America, and selling them cheap from a temporary site in the NZ city.
  
  American and British publishers have pretty much divided the world English-language book market between them, and the NZ importer was infringing publishing rights.
  
  Where book titles are published in both America and “British countries”, NZ is among the countries that are supposed to buy the British versions.
  
  This is controlled by copyright, and the NZ branches of British publishers were able to shut down the NZ importer.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:59am
Matt Long

Big thanks to Observer of Life and Ghost for a highly entertaining thread in yesterday’s GD with regard to Get Boosted’s possible reception of emails about the covid jab’s deficiencies.
OoL; Ghost, are you ACTUALLY Chris “Get Boosted” Bushop?
Ghost; So rather than answer the question twice now you’d rather just make personal insults.
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January 13, 2023 8:37am
- Matt Long
  
  Putting aside the humour, is it possible that Parliament’s email system filtered out all emails contra to The Narrative so that Get Boosted was kept in the dark?
  That would have somewhat alarming connotations.
  I had assumed that MPs would receive so many emails they would only reply to a small proportion that their staffers would pass on and highlight as important and that often only form letters or staffer replies are sent.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:45am
  - Matt Long
    
    I also have made the assumption that anything contrary to The Narrative would not make it past Get Boosted’s mental filters based on the total refusal of the National caucas to meet with the freedom protesters in Wellington.
    Maybe I’ve misjudged him, but it’s my policy not to waste my time attempting to engage with idiots and ideologues except Mike.
    
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    January 13, 2023 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bishop gets the emails. I’ve had a couple of replies. He was full of shit in all of them.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bishop full of shit ? I have heard him asked questions and he usually has a great factual answer, can you imagine an Ardern reply
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      One day I’ll make the responses public. Along with the others I’ve received from various “experts”, “journalists” and politicians. They make interesting reading.
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:00am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Though I do believe you get blocked very quickly once they understand you know what you are talking about and won’t let them fob you off with said shit.
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:38am
  - Ghost
    
    Thanks clan for saying he gets them, don’t know why it was impossible to answer. We got black listed by Andrew Little when complaining about the difficulties my fathers surgeon was having to be able to get his hip replacement approved. Eventually got that removed and sent everything to Reti
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:47am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Everybody who has a different opinion to you is “full of shit” eh Clan?
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:50am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Loddenthinks – what are you on about?
      
      I have no problem with anyone having a different opinion. The ones I call full of shit are the ones who are presented with actual evidence and respond with dumb comments like yours.
      
      I’ll happily listen and respond to other opinions that are presented in rational manner and have something resembling evidence to support their position. If they are right I’ll acknowledge that.
      
      I’ve never said anyone presenting such an opinion was full of shit. Not sure why you’re having a crack. Are you having a bad day?
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:47pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        “Bishop gets the emails. I’ve had a couple of replies. He was full of shit in all of them.”
        
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        January 13, 2023 12:56pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Loddenthinks – firstly, that’s just Bishop, not “everybody” as you said in your comment. Secondly, I have the emails from him. He WAS full of shit in his responses and one day I will post them and you can decide for yourself.
        
        As an example, he was presented with proof that the vaccines stop neither transmission or infection of the virus.
        
        He obviously didn’t read the evidence because his only retort was basically “that’s not true” when it provably was.
        
        That’s talking shit.
        
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        January 13, 2023 1:17pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Clan – fair enough, now you’re giving some facts instead of just saying he’s “full of shit” and getting all defensive. Go well.
        
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        January 13, 2023 3:55pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    ClanMcleod – When Mr Bishop gets defeated by Ginny Anderson he will come to his senses.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:58pm
- Simon
  
  National wanted to be in on the Zero Covid victory parades Cindy had planned. Not unlike the VJ victory parades.
  
  Basically Cindy fooled National. Crunchy the Labour Clown tricked National. (despite the jaxxs having failed in their stated purpose by June / July 2021)
  
  National went “But but but Cindy got 50% 2020 election it means Zero Covid is the way to go. Lets jaxx everyone Cindy says its ok and 50%. 50%!!”
  
  The other problem National, to prove such loyalty to Cindy & Zero Covid they wiped their collective arses with the Human Rights Act. There are your so called human rights. Flushed down the shitter by National in an instant.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    I suspect everyones focus groups were telling them the same thing .
    
    Covid fear porn from Te Media Pardy conditioned all political responses .
    
    They talk about “leadership” but they’re actually followers , of polling and opinion and whatever the media are pushing.
    
    Dangerous , fickle and very shallow times .
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:15am
  - coge
    
    As National (in lockstep with Labour) abandoned numerous sections of the NZ Bill of Rights act, and they seen reluctant to even acknowledge the act itself these days.
    
    If National can’t be counted on to defend these most fundamental rights, what exactly are they planning to deliver?
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:00am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      coge – Just wait and see how Mr Luxon backs out of every single policy announced by National so far. In the end there won’t be any difference between National and Labour.
      
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      January 13, 2023 1:00pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Only one set of parties that canned the bill of rights, and they were Labour Greens and NZF, you can blame the Nats all you like , but they were not government
      
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      January 13, 2023 1:00pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Matt: You’re welcome! 😆
  Considering Bishop replied to a couple of my emails in the early stages, advising me they were “conspiracy theories”, then zip, I’m pretty certain I was being ignored. Sheesh…
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:49pm
MCōs

The talk on the radio this morning is we’re going to have a sunny day in Auckland.
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January 13, 2023 8:38am
- Biscuit
  
  Pictures, MCōs, or it didn’t happen!
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:42am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I once heard about a massive golden orb in the sky that had amazing ability to warm and light the place MCos. It’s a thing of legend now.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:53am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yes a beautiful fine day by the look of it Cossie 8-(
  Cyclone Hale has caused absolute havoc!
  This will be the first day in the last week that I can actually get the washing out on the line rather than relying on the Drier.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:14am
  - kowtow
    
    Don’t tell me you’ve given the maid some leave .
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:30am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      She doesn’t do the washing silly!
      Only comes one day a week to clean the house.
      
      I did give her the keys to Tindalls while we were away. Told her she was welcome to use it until we got back. What I do know is when we head up there the place will be immaculate 😀
      
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      January 13, 2023 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only on the Shore.//
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:23am
Swifty

I ask you, who makes more sense?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300783467/is-being-wealthy-just-a-matter-of-mindset

Graeme Fowler or Jess Berentson-Shaw?

Who brings more logic and reason to their argument? Why is it that, faced with the same structural racism and oppressive capitalist structures, some ‘minority’ folk do spectacularly well while some others languish?

Why is it that migrants can arrive here without any English and without much if any capital and within 30-40 years their children or grandchildren are our engineers, our doctors and entrepreneurs, despite our terrible racist institutions and structures, while other communities are suffering from multi-generational dependency?

Why is it that Asian kids are grossly over-represented in academic prizes and dux awards etc if NZ is such a white-supremacist shithole as we are CONSTANTLY told?

My view? Our academics and liberal elites are doing us no favours with their beating around the bush and blaming everything on racism wheee frequently one exists. More importantly, we will never solve our problems when we deliberately, intentionally fail to diagnose their causes correctly.

I’ve followed Jess Berentson-Shaw for a few years now, she’s a bloody waste of time. All theory, no practice and she’s one of many in this country who lives off the wealth created by others while pulling at the threads of the very hammock that keeps her off the wet and muddy ground.
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January 13, 2023 8:38am
- Taieri
  
  I’ve followed Jess Berentson-Shaw for a few years now, she’s a bloody waste of time.
  ———–
  
  Never heard of her before, so duck-ducked her and her “The Workshop” lot. What a bunch of oxygen thieves. Wonder who is financing this mob?
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:17am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Apropos of the current hand wringing re. NZ’s loss of CO2 production, it’s surprising that the usual suspects haven’t been crowing about this being a necessary step to carbon neutrality.

It’s almost as if the penny is finally dropping that CO2 is needed to support how we live.
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January 13, 2023 8:39am
- kowtow
  
  ‘CO2 is needed to support how we live.’
  
  Any scientist could tell us that , but science isn’t science anymore.
  
  Captured and held hostage to funding , to the Elites , the activists .
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:18am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    CO2 is needed to support how we live
    
    So are water and combustion, but there is such a thing as too much in the wrong place and at the wrong time
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:29pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      How much CO2 is “too much”?
      https://www.nasa.gov/feature/greening-of-the-earth-mitigates-surface-warming
      A new study published in the journal Science Advances titled “Biophysical impacts of Earth greening largely controlled by aerodynamic resistance” reports that the entire land surface would have been much warmer without the cooling effect of increased green cover during the recent decades. The study used high-quality satellite data from NASA’s MODIS sensors and NCAR’s state-of-the-art numerical earth system model.
      
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      January 13, 2023 1:11pm
    - kowtow
      
      H2O is a major greenhouse gas , bigly major than CO2 .
      
      We need a zero dihydrogen oxide target by 2050.
      
      Otherwise the planet is doomed , doomed I tell ya , doomed . ( with wild eyes and Scottish accent for effect please)
      
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      January 13, 2023 2:23pm
The Redbaiter

Did you know Trevor Mallard thanked Christopher Luxon most effusively for his support during his battle to remove protesters from parliament last year? Here’s what Mallard said, (from Hansard, slightly abridged).

“I want to say thank you very much to the leader of the opposition. I spent more time talking with him than all of the other party leaders combined and I want to acknowledge and thank him for the personal support that he gave me for a very difficult period.”

Mr Luxon sat in the opposition benches and beamed back at the speaker in gratitude for his kind words. He knows how to read the room.

[Mod – when quoting please provide a link to the source]
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January 13, 2023 8:44am
- Simon
  
  Proudest moments for National is when they get praises from some leftwing troglodyte. They just glow with gratitude and are so humble.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s bulkshit, I watch all of parliament and I never remember Luxon saying that at all, infact Mallard was absent for a couple of weeks after the end of the protest, you do realise that dictator Mallard put all MPs snd media into a banned stance at the protest, Soper flicked the bird at Mallard and now is unemployed
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:22am
  - Ghost
    
    No, he’s not unemployed
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes he is
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:44am
      - Ghost
        
        Prove your point that he is unemployed, here I will start
        
        Newstalk ZB husband-and-wife duo Heather du Plessis-Allan and Barry Soper have today confirmed their future plans at the award-winning radio network, following the birth of their son Iggy in February.
        
        From Tuesday, April 26, du Plessis-Allan will return as host of her Drive show, while Soper will take eight weeks of parental leave before returning part-time to the press gallery. During this time, Newstalk ZB will appoint an acting political editor to the role, before they officially take the reins from Soper in 2023.
        
        In 2023, du Plessis-Allan and Soper will be based in Auckland, from which time Soper will step into the newly created role as Newstalk ZB’s senior political correspondent.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/heather-du-plessis-allan-to-return-in-late-april-barry-soper-to-take-parental-leave/QW77VVJLCR7EGM5WOXHUFGTOUE/
        
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        January 13, 2023 10:54am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      In your post below he will be getting a new job, as far as i am concerned , he was shafted after not sticking to the dictatorial play by Mallard, he was the political editor was he not?
      
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      January 13, 2023 11:09am
      - Ghost
        
        No he wasn’t shafted, come on provide evidence of your claims. Barry was still in the parliament asking Jacinda question, asking minsters questions in the stand ups well after he ignored mallard. His wife had a baby, he changed his working life because of that baby.
        
        Here is Barry interviewing Jacinda last December, nope not fired
        https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/zb-political-editor-barry-soper-wraps-up-2022-with-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern/
        
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        January 13, 2023 11:22am
      - Jack5
        
        I think Ghost’s correct.
        
        My impression was that Barry Soper, who is at an age when many people retire, took a less time-demanding job so he could be a home Dad while his wife continued her radio work.
        
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        January 13, 2023 12:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        I had to laugh one day when he was on air with Heather, he was working from home and she asked what that noise was, the reply “your son”
        
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        January 13, 2023 12:30pm
  - NK
    
    Well, it’s not bullshit, it’s 100% true shit.
    
    So is this:
    
    Mr Luxon said this at a press conference early last year.
    
    If he wins govt, do you think he’s going to be getting rid of Ardern’s numerous new Stasi style spy agencies as he should?
    
    “.. Misinformation disinformation is a real problem everywhere around the world, we need to ask what more could we be doing to break down misinformation/disinformation, we have to work with social media companies & platforms around the algorithms…
    
    .
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:16am
- The Redbaiter
  
  Uploaded video to twitter-
  
  https://twitter.com/i/status/1613647868837126144
  
  I will never ever post a quote I cannot verify.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:28am
  - NK
    
    National loyalists think Luxon can do whatever Ardern does and it’s fine because it’s done in blue paint, not red.
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:17am
- Nickc2
  
  I’ve read through Hansard and the aftermath of the protest stuff and can’t find any such statement by Mallard. Please provide an electronic link.
  
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  January 13, 2023 2:08pm
  - Ghost
    
    You have commented right below a video he has posted of it
    
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    January 13, 2023 2:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Henry Cooke analyses the swing voters who Labour is losing

https://henrycooke.substack.com/p/who-are-labours-lost-voters
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January 13, 2023 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  A good article, however, any swing voter has now swung away from the Marxists, snd infact Labor voters who have voted Labour for 50 years are saying never again, the damage the divisive Ardern is doing to NZ and her party are huge, if you add Nats and ACT together, they are polling higher than Nat ACT ever did under Key, so change must surely be coming.
  
  He says Labour may well win back serious support this year, that’s utter bullshit, they will never get any support back till they blood the whole party again, the voter who can decide yet will already know if they want to vote Labour, most that vote would have to go centre right, and maybe a few fringe parties, the polls do not show how an undecided will vote, but if they are tossing up with Labour they have had 6 years too make up their mind
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:05am
- Paulus
  
  Henry Cook’s excellent analysis, well worth taking time to read.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:54am
krazykiwi

The University of California is to remove the word ‘field’ from their curriculum. ‘Field’ could have racist connotations. “Language can be powerful, and phrases such as ‘going into the field’ or ‘field work’ maybe have connotations for descendants of slavery and immigrant workers that are not benign”.
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January 13, 2023 8:56am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I wondered how long it would take academia to cotton on to this one…..
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:17am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    I saw what you did there lol.
    
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    January 13, 2023 9:54am
  - blue collar
    
    Imagine if the field was around Noosa …
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:49am
- Taieri
  
  The University of California is to remove the word ‘field’ from their curriculum.
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  Quite right. As a descendant of farmers, forced to do my bit during my childhood, my connotations of this word are definitely not benign.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:23am
- cmm
  
  100% organic cotton?
  Fried chicken?
  Grits?
  
  What about all those Spanish and Mexican names in California? Doesn’t that dredge up terrible memories about how the USA stole California?
  
  Even the Californian flag (the bear flag), is from the Bear Flag Revolt in 1848 that lead to California separating from Mexico and being taken over by USA. In many ways it is a symbol with some similarity to the (probably) outlawed confederate flag.
  
  Imagine the trauma every undocumented migrant from Mexico must experience every time they see the Californian Bear Flag.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:31am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  No more California Uni scholars will be “Outstanding in their field”
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:37am
  - cmm
    
    No more Masters Degrees either.
    
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    January 13, 2023 1:32pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Small correction: The University of California is a public institution with ten campuses all over California. USC, the University of Southern California, is a private university with a single campus located in Los Angeles.
  
  The article is about USC, the private university, not the University of California.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:45am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Ooops. My error. Thanks for the correction.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:18am
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING

I see French satirical magazine ‘CHARLIE HEBDO’ is back with a vengeance.

The Mullahs wont be happy 🙁

https://twitter.com/Charlie_Hebdo_/status/1613072084850315264
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January 13, 2023 8:57am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, I’m shocked that you have the TIME to go onto Twitter at present.
  
  Shouldn’t you and your mates be down at Stanley Street blowing away rain clouds and/or mopping up water from the courts so that those of us fortunate enough to not live in the Super Shitty can see some (outdoor) Tennis?
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:16am
- Swifty
  
  Those beautiful brave bastards.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Remember when we were told that we would all have to be Covid vaccinated if we wanted to enjoy summer?

https://www.canterbury.ac.nz/news/2021/jacinda-ardern-sets-the-target-for-reopening-new-zealand.html#:~:text=The%20message%20from%20Ardern%20was,you%20will%20miss%20out%20on%E2%80%9D.

When did our Government/Ministry of Health learn that the Covid vaccine would NOT prevent transmission of the virus?

Here’s a very long & tangled read along the Official Information trail:

https://fyi.org.nz/request/17003-does-the-pfizer-vaccine-prevent-or-reduce-transmission-of-covid-19
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January 13, 2023 9:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  Let’s face it: Ardern was way, way out her depth but she was competent enough to see this as an opportunity to scratch the inner authoritarian itch that lies just below the skin of career socialists.
  
  And scratch she did, destroying New Zealanders and their businesses while eagerly watching on, as might lab technician observe lab rats nearing their end.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:25am
Benedict Yu

My 86 year old father in law died early this morning, after a long struggle with esophageal cancer. He had a stroke on New Years Eve, which was not survivable.

His experience, which I observed daily, reinforced my view that palliative care in New Zealand does not always bring people a comfortable ending. Even as of yesterday, he was being delivered meals of meat and mashed potato, despite not being able to tolerate anything other than small amounts of liquid through a straw. I know that many commenters here are opposed to the end of life choice law. However, the last 2 weeks has cemented for me its importance as a choice.

So rest in peace Les, loving father and sole charge country police officer his entire police career. Direct descendant of Hannah King Hansen born at Hohi on 11 January 1817.
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January 13, 2023 9:19am
- cmm
  
  Condolences to the family.
  It is a tricky thing to negotiate.
  In the past we didn’t have much control over the human body and nature was in control.
  Now we’re perhaps too good at keeping people alive. Now we need to learn when to let go.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:34am
- Clownworld
  
  Condolences to you and the family.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  Sorry for your loss, Benedict. Please convey my condolences to your partner.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:40am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Benedict. My condolences to you and your family.
  
  I wonder if those against the End of Life Choice bill have had the same experiences as you have just had watching a loved one suffer.
  
  I had the same with my own mother nearly 20 years ago now, and my opinions regarding End of Life choice mirror yours.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Condolences to you and Family. 86 is a god innings. I do hope he passed without too much pain.
  Sooner ore later we become the ‘new’ old people, as parents move on.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good* innings.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Perhaps not a time for comparisons … but my grandmother died at 108.5 years of age. She was sharp as a tack up until 3 weeks before she passed. A fascinating historian & social commentator spanning quite a few generations. Greatly missed.
    
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    January 13, 2023 11:23am
  - Jack5
    
    Condolences to Benedict and family.
    
    Some people who oppose end-of-life choice willingly put a horse, dog, or other animal down rather than let it linger on in pain.
    
    We deserve the choice, and if the need arises, I’ll try to take the mercy exit.
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forgot to add:
  Hope your partner is coping. A loss is a loss, and it is very hard for some. 🙂
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:02pm
Nukuleka

Benedict: Les had that choice. Why didn’t he exercise it?
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January 13, 2023 9:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  According to my partner it was never mentioned or discussed. She told me that as a devout Catholic he would never have considered that option.
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:57am
krazykiwi

According to Homes.co.nz, the zenith of my home’s value was 13th Jan, 2022, exactly one year ago.

Since then I have ‘lost’ $500k.

Easy come, easy go.
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January 13, 2023 9:37am
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go hmmm…

Klaus Schwab has deployed 5000 Army Troops to protect WEF in Davos!!

What on earth are they so worried about?

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1613584891760840725
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January 13, 2023 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Worried uninvited media might tell the truth?
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:51am
- krazykiwi
  
  Watch for agent provocateurs to stir up trouble leading to Davos Man demanding more power to save We The Little People from any dangerous crazies who oppose the WEF.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:19am
- david
  
  Whose army?
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:38pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Swiss.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:44pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Swiss. Read the link.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Swiss Army only have pocketknives.
      
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      January 13, 2023 2:03pm
      - Nickc2
        
        The Swiss Guard uses ‘Halberds’ to protect the Vatican.
        However, the Swiss army uses the SIG Sauer P220 pistol and the SIG SG 550 assault rifle (or its SG 552 variant).
        
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        January 13, 2023 2:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        The web site, Global Fire Power, ranks Switzerland 44th in military power of 145 countries, and NZ 103rd. Some details:
        
        Population: Switzerland 8.5m; NZ 5.05m.
        Active military personnel: Sw 24,000; NZ 9,600.
        Reserve personnel: Sw 120,000; NZ 2,500.
        Defence budget: Sw $US5.98 billion; NZ $US3.8b.
        Total aircraft: Sw 148; NZ 45.
        Jet fighters: Sw 43; NZ 0.
        Helicopters: Sw 41; NZ 22.
        Army tanks: Sw 380, NZ 0.
        Armoured vehicles: Sw 8,356 NZ 4,040.
        
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        January 13, 2023 3:52pm
      - Jack5
        
        Edit to my 3.52 post:
        
        In the comparison of Switzerland and NS, instead of “armoured vehicles”, please read “vehicles”.
        
        Sorry about that.
        
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        January 13, 2023 6:56pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        New Zealand has a Bluewater Navy, which Switzerland does not have. Even small navies are quite expensive.
        
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        January 13, 2023 8:08pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Swiss Army according to the tweet.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:52pm
- Frank the tank
  
  More and more resembling a scene out of a Bond movie.
  
  That ordinary people can’t see how poisonous that organization is staggering….
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:47pm
cmm

So it looks like writing Waka Manaaki on ambulances doesn’t really help them do their job faster. A 90-year old with a head injury ended up with a 2 hour wait, despite using a panic button.

Perhaps St John are spending too much time on being woke. Here’s them rattling on about the awesomeness of the Maoriness:

” The new design for waka manaaki includes:
The taurapa or canoe sternpost at the rear of the ambulance, maintains the stability of a waka by acting like a wind keel.
Manaia (above the taurapa): Representing Tāwhirimātea, the wind element, that propels the waka and provides support. While he manifests as wind and cannot be seen, he is always present.
Manaia (on the door): Represents the traditional purpose of elevating a sense of authority and importance.”

SFA about responding quickly, medicine, saving lives,… none of which feature in Maori culture.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/90-year-old-left-bleeding-on-bathroom-floor-with-head-injury-for-two-hours-while-waiting-for-ambulance/ND52T4Z4IFEFFKZXUGLITHCULY/
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January 13, 2023 9:42am
- Taieri
  
  SFA about responding quickly, medicine, saving lives
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  Saving lives…wouldn’t that be a bit racist?
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:07am
- H. Upmann
  
  I have not renewed my St John membership and regular donations because they have become a woke political organisation.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:11am
  - Ghost
    
    To be honest who cares what management do, when you need their help they are always there and that is all that matters. Over stretched, under paid, and yeah there can be a delay if there are more urgent cases.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:17am
    - kowtow
      
      Did you read the post , that’s the bloody point , they’re not “always there”.
      
      And it ain’t St John no more , it’s Hats o’ Honey , a sticky mess thy’ve got themselves into…..
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:22am
      - Ghost
        
        It says in the article they had to prioritise the most life threatening calls, they rang every hour to check on him until they could get an ambulance to him. They are understaffed, over worked. What would you have them do?
        
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        January 13, 2023 10:32am
      - Taieri
        
        What would you have them do?
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        I’d rephrase this question…what should the Government do with regard to St John and evident deterioration of ambulance services in NZ?
        
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        January 13, 2023 10:57am
      - Ghost
        
        Let’s say the government took over funding, then what? Still have a shortage of paramedics, still have an overloaded system with patients who have to be prioritised. Shit look what little has done to our health system, let’s keep him away from the ambulance service.
        
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        January 13, 2023 11:05am
      - Taieri
        
        then what?
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        What solutions do you propose?
        
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        January 13, 2023 11:34am
      - Ghost
        
        This problem isn’t new, it’s not something that just happened under this government. Ambulances will always have to prioritise patients. Hospital and ED will always have to prioritise people on who needed treatment more urgently. More staff, better pay is needed throughout the health sector but people will always be prioritised.
        
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        January 13, 2023 11:51am
      - cmm
        
        Well the first thing to do when trying to address the problems are:
        * Figure out what your real role is in society. Is it providing ambulance services or wokeness?
        * Admit there’s a problem and start focusing on that. Tell the people that want to turn every meeting into a poi-waving session they can all FO and come back when the ambulance services are all running like a Swiss Watch.
        * Stop expending effort competence bullshit wokeness and messaging that is not part of your core function.
        
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        January 13, 2023 1:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    $90. Less than $2 a week.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think those on the ground will not be woke. The upper level admin will be full of woke wankers.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:56am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Perhaps St John are spending too much time on being woke.”
  
  I think you mean Hato Hone cmm. They’re even more woke than that.
  
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  January 13, 2023 1:03pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    When I enquired as yo what “Hato Hone” was all about. They replied telling me they’re proud of the name “gifted to them”.
    I emailed them.
    They replied. 😉
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:12pm
- Ehlana
  
  “While he manifests as wind and cannot be seen, he is always present.”
  
  I can think of someone else who cannot be seen but is always present and would be traditionally associated with The Order of St John. I wonder how He is represented in their new ambulance design?
  
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  January 13, 2023 3:20pm
ClanMcleod

Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen was one of only a couple of UK MPs to speak out against the jabs. He was kicked out of the party a couple of days ago for daring to mention the holocaust word when talking about the massive harm being inflicted on millions of people.
His “anti semitism” was apparently the reason for this punishment.

He released this very eloquent statement. Powerful words.

https://youtu.be/LD2lhNnlDbQ
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January 13, 2023 9:46am
- Ghost
  
  Matt Hancock was interesting in I’m a celebrity get me out of here. It was obvious from the discussions he would have that he knew nothing and went completely on all the information the experts were putting in front of him. Even the decision eh would make were those that the experts suggested, he was basically just a monkey rubber stamping what they told him needed to be done.
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:03am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ghost – I understand that. It will be the excuse used by the majority of those complicit in driving this horror show. But it is not acceptable. At the very least it demonstrates massive incompetence.
    In many cases it is pure malfeasance.
    
    There were plenty of experts warning about the potential problems that have all come to pass and are increasing. Ardern’s insistence that she would be out “single source of truth” is an act of malfeasance.
    It was a “novel” virus and an experimental treatment. It demanded much input from all experts. Only permitting those fully supporting the narrative to speak is a criminal act.
    
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    January 13, 2023 10:19am
    - Ghost
      
      Here’s the thing clan. I know where you are coming from, but we have ministers who have zero understanding or experience In their portfolios. When the experts are giving them the advice we have to place a lot of blame on these experts who should actually have a basic understanding, and that goes for all of the ministers. The failure from the government was not allowing other experts to speak who weren’t supporting the narrative. But the biggest failure is how these experts that were advising them got it so wrong. And it looks more and more each day that they we intentionally misleading in the advice they were giving.
      
      I was at the ED a few weeks ago, doctor had a full oxygen helmet on. An ED doctor, who do you think should know better the politician who really knows nothing, or the ED doctor?
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:43am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ghost – yet I was treated for a minor eye procedure by a doctor in trousers and casual shirt and absolutely no PPE. His face was 200mm from mine during the 20 minutes procedure.
        Prior to the procedure they tried to compel me to wear a mask, get vaccinated and take a RAT test. I said no and if it’s a problem I’ll go home.
        They said no, not a problem.
        
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        January 13, 2023 11:15am
      - Ghost
        
        It’s the same at my gp’s practice, my gp never wore PPE through out, there is still a senior GP there that puts the full PPE on when going to see a patient outside.
        
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        January 13, 2023 11:31am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ghost – the biggest concern is the experts didn’t “get it wrong.”
        The more evidence that emerges the more it looks like narrative control. I find it impossible to believe that many laypeople could hear both sides of the argument (even though the counter argument was heavily suppressed) and quickly discerned the alarming truth was on the side of those opposing the narrative.
        I don’t believe it is possible for the pro narrative “experts” to firstly. not have seen this evidence and secondly, not understood the ramifications.
        They either deliberately pushed a false narrative or worse, they quickly discovered they were wrong and instead of admitting it and apologising they, decided to double down and hope it all went away.
        
        It isn’t going away.
        
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        January 13, 2023 1:28pm
    - mawm
      
      Clan – “It was a “novel” virus”.. That is precisely why most nations have pandemic plans in place- to start with them and change course only as dictated by new data. Malfeasance barely begins to describe what our government did.
      
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      January 13, 2023 3:19pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        mawm – I’m being as restrained as I possibly can. lol
        
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        January 13, 2023 7:30pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Prominent academic Professor Norman Fenton is Jewish and his father was a survivor of the holocaust. He speaks in defence of Bridgend.
  
  https://youtu.be/lV_C9xkTT-w
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:11am
- The Housekeeper
  
  Clan, that would have been so much more powerful if he wasn’t so obviously reading from the autocue. Such important words should be known by heart and spoken from the heart. I cant help but wonder what Meloni could have done with this statement.
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:47pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The Housekeeper – there are many other well qualified people speaking in his defence and pointing out that this is nothing to do with anti semitism and is more about punishing someone for daring to speak up.
    
    “There is Nothing At All Anti-Semitic About His Statement”: Andrew Bridgen Defended by Jewish Israeli Academic Whose Article He Tweeted
    
    Dr. Guetzkow, whose tweeted article details the alarming, recently-released analysis of vaccine adverse event data from the U.S. CDC, said this is a “tempest in a teapot”.
    
    “The hollow accusations against him only distract from genuine examples of anti-Semitism and ultimately hinder attempts to draw attention to them, much like the boy who cried wolf,” he said.
    
    It is clear from the statement by the Chief Whip that Mr. Bridgen’s chief sin is to have criticised the vaccines. Mr. Hart’s statement notably does not mention anti-Semitism, but rather says that Mr. Bridgen is having the whip removed for “misinformation about the vaccine”, which “causes harm and costs lives”, adding only that he had caused “great offence in process”.
    
    The allegations of anti-Semitism therefore appear to be just the opportunity party chiefs needed to mete out the punishment to the vaccine heretic.
    
    What’s worse, as Dr. Guetzkow says, the anti-Semitism allegations are plainly ill-founded and only distract from the real anti-Semitism that continues to harm Jews around the world.
    
    Stop Press: Dr. Guetzkow has pointed out that Holocaust survivor Vera Sharav has been drawing parallels between the extreme and discriminatory public health measures during the pandemic and the Holocaust throughout the the last three years.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:58pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Another prominent Jewish person in defence of Andrew Bridge.
      
      https://open.substack.com/pub/igorchudov/p/anti-vaccine-mp-andrew-bridgen-is?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android
      
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      January 13, 2023 1:32pm
  - mawm
    
    Surely Bridgens will have consulted a lawyer and the statement carefully prepared.
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:23pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      mawm – yes he has and he is preparing to go legal on those who have made obviously false accusations against him.
      
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      January 13, 2023 7:31pm
Bridgenag

Was thinking of leaving the family fortune to St Johns ambulances. Maybe design smaller ones that can get around a city faster. Great people on those ambulances.
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January 13, 2023 9:55am
- Ghost
  
  Don’t they still have motorbike paramedics to get there quicker before the ambulance?
  
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  January 13, 2023 9:59am
  - cmm
    
    Here in Chch the quick response people use SUVs. In a pinch they send out fire engines.
    
    The fire (wo)men are all trained up on handling heart attacks etc and can hold the fort until the blood box arrives.
    
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    January 13, 2023 1:42pm
- CJames
  
  I was put off donating to St Johns when I found the money went to the HO staff and they treat the paramedics as shit.
  
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  January 13, 2023 1:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump clips the media don’t want you to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8j3c2NRax0
10.45
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January 13, 2023 9:57am
- tf78
  
  Trump is a wonderful man, he loves his country, just as I love our country. Imagine what he and Elon Musk could do, that would be something.
  
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  January 13, 2023 8:37pm
I remember when

New Zealand Londoner who hasn’t been home for about five years mentioned three things they found.
The amount of obesity surprised them, the amount of excessive tattoo on people and the cost of goods at Supermarkets, especially fruit.
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January 13, 2023 10:08am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The number of tattoos, especially on women. is incredible. At $300+ per tatt they must have money to burn
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Do they even think what these body tatts will look like when they are older and wrinkly – what a ghastly sight!
    
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    January 13, 2023 1:57pm
- mogg
  
  You don’t need to go to London to see any of that just pop down to your local shopping centre.
  Figures recently released show New Zealand is suffering what has been called an obesity epidemic.
  A recent national health survey shows nearly one in three of the population are overweight.
  The small island nation is now in the top three fattest countries behind the US and Mexico, where 36.5% and 32% respectively of the population are obese. New Zealand’s rate is just below 29%.
  Figures show one in 10 children between two and 14 years – 79,000 children – qualify for that description.
  Rates of obesity are highest in the 45-65 age group and the figures among New Zealand’s Maori and Pasifika population peaked at 46% and 67% respectively.
  The survey says excess weight is a leading cause of a number of health conditions, including type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular diseases and some types of cancer.
  The news has shocked the nation and has led to health professionals calling for increased government regulation of the food and drinks industry and increased spending.
  A New Zealand Medical Association report calls the soaring obesity rates a “public health crisis”.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:49am
  - kowtow
    
    a “public health crisis”.
    
    We need the Prime Muppet and any number of health functionaries on tele every day telling us how many people have lost how many kilos by doing hard mahi over the motu .( whatever that means).
    
    Fatties are more dangerous to themselves , the health system and the communidy than someone who didn’t get jaxxed against the Wuhan batflu.
    
    And we need te Media Pardy to lose its shit ,like it did /does over the sniffles and climate catastrophe , over how very destructive fattism is to the individual , sociedy and health system.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:15pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Oh, but fat shaming is so unkind and..and..and…RACIST //
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:53pm
  - Flossie
    
    I think what I remember when was saying was that a New Zealander who has been living in London came back here after five years, and those things – the obese, the tattoos and the prices of food – were what they noted.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:28pm
kevn

@Maggy… aka as a trail of lies.
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January 13, 2023 10:22am
Maggy Wassilieff

Self-delusional Prime Minister talking up her Government’s gains for Maori.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/01/12/lindsay-mitchell-pm-more-self-delusional-by-the-day/
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January 13, 2023 10:32am
- Swifty
  
  Self-delusional Maggy, or downright deceitful?
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ is facing a Coup by the Elite Maori. Jaspinda is giving them anything and everything they want, in the strange belief that she will remain in power.
  If successful, Democracy will be out the door. We will be Governed by Elite Maori Tyrants. 3Waters is just a cover. Read the website and tell me I am wrong.
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:04am
Swifty

Every now and again you come across an interviewer behaving so appallingly, so bereft, so clueless, so out of their depth that you can just cannot look away.

Cathy Newman’s interview with Jordan Peterson is one, Patrick Gower’s interview with Southern and Molyneux is another.

Well, as a close runner up I offer you Moana Maniapoto’s recent effort with David Seymour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyM4QB8l4VU

I will say some things in Moana’s favour however;

1. She confirms what has been obvious to some of us for quite some time now that with respect to co-governance the sole argument is that ‘the end justifies any means’.
2. That co-governance proponents cannot illustrate how their means will deliver the end.
3. Co-governance proponents seem to be saying that should we implement co-governance then (POOF!) magic will happen and equity will be achieved without having to say exactly how.
4. Co-governance proponents are incapable of defending their position without instantly resorting to personal slurs, distractions or other irrelevancies
5. Moana Maniapoto doesn’t realise how poorly she comes across, how threadbare her arguments are and appear to us, and is not in the least embarrassed by this.

The whole interview was bloody cringeworthy in my view – not as bad as Gower’s train wreck but getting up there.
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January 13, 2023 10:38am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Moana Maniapoto is Willie Jackson ex wife.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Jordan Peterson has absolutely dismantled many interviewers. It is such fun to watch.
  
  The Canadian college of psychologists are coming after him, threatening to cancel his practicing certificate. He is being required to undergo “social media training” with an appointed “coach” at $210 Canadian dollars an hour which he needs to pay.
  
  Canada seems even more fucked up than New Zealand.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:23am
  - Nickc2
    
    Canada seems even more fucked up than New Zealand.
    IMPOSSIBLE
    PS: IMO, it’s only the French Canadians that are fucked up.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:05pm
    - kowtow
      
      Nope , it’s the progs there who’re f@cked up , as they are everywhere.
      
      They have a good conservative base , but as with all things the media and Establishment are all powerful.
      
      Hoping for good things from a potentially great conservative , and Froggy , Poilievre .Their current leader of the opposition.
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:19pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I hear Jordan has told the to try sex & travel. I’m sure there are a number of countries that would happily give him his earned qualification & letters.
        
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        January 13, 2023 12:56pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I know he’s not planning to comply, but if he did he should video the sessions with the ‘coach’. That person would get a schooling that Peterson could sell tickets to.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:26pm
    - artemisia
      
      Dr Peterson does have a slightly bigger audience than the Canadian College. I expect he will be giving the College some air time, possibly more humorous than it would like.
      
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      January 13, 2023 1:10pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Canada has the equivalent of a Labour/Greens coalition. Remember they have a WEF bunny in charge as well.
    
    Canada is a bit split like the States. Urban provinces such as Quebec and Ontario are largely liberal whereas the Rural provinces such as Alberta lean well to the right. British Columbia is split down the middle.
    
    No it is not more fuc*ed up than this country as I’m led to believe that they don’t give out free RAT tests at airports for incoming guests and have a functioning health and education system.
    
    Ben I dare suggest you venture out the country (if you haven’t already) the gap between New Zimbabwe and the rest of the first world is larger than the Grand Canyon.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:44pm
- Nickc2
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  What comes after Co-Governance?
  Answer: Total Maori Governance.
  Does NZ want that?
  
  Uptick for YES
  Downtick for NO
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:22pm
  - Bob
    
    What comes after Co-Governance?……
    We already have TOTAL Maori Governance; WHO do you think is calling the shots in CABINET
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:37pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      Klaus specifically through proxy (via Ardern).
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What comes after? Loss of Democracy and NZ led by Elite Maori Tyrants.
      A Coup is happening.
      
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      January 13, 2023 12:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bugger, that one uptick was meant to be downtick.
    See my comments on stop co-governance. It is all in there.
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:54pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    What comes after Co-Governance?
    Venezuelization of NZ, Emigration for most of those that are able, economy collapsing, end of welfare as a viable means for support, and increased interest in recipes for domestic pets for those that remain.
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:13pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    14% on KB want Total Maori Governance or Mikenmild votes again & again & again?
    
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    January 13, 2023 5:29pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Swifty – thanks for sharing this.
  
  I think we need to thank Maniapoto for giving Seymour the opportunity to put his case. We don’t see interviews and debate on legacy media enough. A protagonistic interviewer is better than no interview. Or the approach taken by labour – clandestine dtrategic planning followed by railroad implementation.
  
  Really impressed by Seymours performance. He kept cool, even when putting Maniapoto in her place, and left with dignity and a lightness of spirit at the end of the interview. While many watching this won’t like his politics they can’t write him off for the way he handled himself.
  
  He is going to have an important role in the next Government.
  
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  January 13, 2023 5:26pm
  - Swifty
    
    I quite agree, Maniapoto did Seymour and us some great favours with that interview.
    
    It was all very revealing – and not in a good way for the bro-governance shysters.
    
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    January 13, 2023 5:52pm
- Swifty
  
  And here is the interview with Dr Ruru, which Seymour references – a very unilluminating combination of happy, clappy exuberance and gross evasions and sidestepping of the (very few) probing questions Tame asked.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CDrwzdMN9OY
  
  If this is the level of reasoning, debate and logic in our universities then what a damn sorry state we’ve allowed ourselves to get into.
  
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  January 13, 2023 5:50pm
bennerg

RNZ reports today:

Man, 90, left bleeding on bathroom floor with head injury for two hours while waiting for ambulance

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482350/man-90-left-bleeding-on-bathroom-floor-with-head-injury-for-two-hours-while-waiting-for-ambulance

“National’s health spokesperson Dr Shane Reti said this was a consequence of a health system that he believed was ‘very clearly in a crisis’.”

Meanwhile Dr Do-Little will say “crisis what crisis”.

One has to ask also what who was higher on the priority list? Drug and alcohol induced accidents?

Somewhere there needs to be more sunlight on this issue.

St John say they are short staffed – some with Covid. How many sacked because they wisely chose not to take the jab? Somehow I have a feeling National will not take up cudgels on this one as it will highlight their complicity in the “vaccine” debacle. ACT, this is your opportunity.
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January 13, 2023 11:10am
- burt
  
  ACT supported mandates, don’t expect them to speak out for tax payers and consumers when they have the best interests of Pfizer to look after.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m no Pfizer fan, but I suspect Seymour’s support for the mandates was more faulty/desperate/cowardly political positioning that it was support for Pfizer.
    
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    January 13, 2023 1:55pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      He seems open to being convinced by facts. At some point it would be good to hear him admit he has changed his position based on the new information. Both he and Luxon will be super cautious about ever acknowledging the protestors and those without vaccine passports were badly treated. Especially as this will give Peter’s ammo to fire.
      
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      January 13, 2023 5:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Hats Off to Hone.
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:20pm
- artemisia
  
  Dr Reti refers to ambulances ‘ramping’ – stuck on the ramp waiting for the ED to have a slot for their patient. Where that’s the issue, don’t blame the driver or the ambulance service. But where that’s the issue, blame mandates, stupid border decisions and lack of planning. Incompetence pretty much.
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:59pm
  - bennerg
    
    So the Ambulance debacle is simply a symptom, caused primarily by:
    
    A&E failure … and before that:
    
    *** staffing shortages due to terrible management, including the firing of healthy and intelligent thinkers who decided mRNA jabs were not for them.
    
    *** low wages and hard working conditions for the most important NURSES!!
    
    *** overspending on admin staff and overemphasis on non health matters – ie all staff are now cultural ambassadors
    
    *** employment of low skilled support staff, allowing for instance the Waikato DHB computer system compromise – basic failures.
    
    Time to cut out the dross, bring the health system back to core values managed by health professionals who have worked in the field – unlike our beknighted (cough cough) Sir Ashley Bloomfield.
    
    Incidentally this something the Police could well do from as well. I’ve spoken to recently departed Police who will never go back while Coster and Ardern are in charge. An idea for National and/or ACT policy would be to offer contracts to ex Police for investigative duties ( sort of PI’s) to help make reporting a crime something you actually get an immediate response from – other than a number to give to your insurance company. These guys do not want to get put in a car to book 5km/kr overspeeding (we are not Hazzard County), or pushed into politically charged riot control. They have better skills (and morals) than that, and maybe just some incentives for successful outcomes, and our crime rate may just come down a little better than now.
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:54pm
I remember when

So how is our restraint on spending going.
“No Holiday for CBD Workers: North Taranaki Midweek:
A deluge of rain and domestic and international visitors have been responsible for a surge in business over the holiday period.
New Plymouth cafes were calling in staff from annual leave to keep up.
Dicky Chatta, who owns a host of cafes and restaurants said, “It has been crazy.
We are working, working, working.”
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January 13, 2023 11:21am
Ross Miller

Good to see Air NZ hasn’t lost its sense of humour responding to the claim in ‘Spare’ that Megan flew from Mexico to the UK on Air NZ First Class … the problem being that Air NZ has never flown from Mexico to the UK and doesn’t do First Class only Business Premier.

Their response that they were considering introducing ‘Sussex Class’ … along with the cargo and assorted trash perhaps.
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January 13, 2023 11:39am
I remember when

Have we learned anything?
Our behaviour, largely caused by public panic, regarding the cleansing of “P” houses.
Liquefaction during Christchurch earthquakes resulting in panic actions removing rental accomodation in other cities.
Covid-19….
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January 13, 2023 11:41am
- kowtow
  
  ….climate catastrophe…..
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

For those mechanically minded, this is interesting. Alaska does not have any gambling, but this lottery comes close. This is at Nenana. A tripod is set up on the ice of the Tanana River with a rope going to the tower. There are all sorts of things happening inside.
The idea is to guess the day and time of the ice breakup. As it gets closer to the breakup, there are Guards patrolling 24/7 to make sure nothing is interfered with.
I send our friends in Anchorage money and get them to buy tickets for me. It is US$1 per guess. Big thing in Alaska, and even buyers all over the World.
https://www.adn.com/opinions/2017/05/01/this-antique-engineering-marvel-records-spring-breakup-in-alaska-like-clockwork/
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January 13, 2023 11:53am
Maggie Pie

Had to larf….
One of the girls from tennis called in before to say hi.
She was telling me her & hubby had just spent a dirty weekend away in Taupo. The highlight of their stay was doing a private trip to the Ancient-Maori-Rock-Carvings. Cost about $270. Quite spectacular she reckoned!

Honestly, you should have seen the look on her face when I told her they were only carved about 40 years ago. LOL!!
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January 13, 2023 11:59am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  More spectacular is the cave on Motutaiko Island with Maori skeletons inside. Now off limits to the public with an iron gate across the entrance.
  And yes, I can remember when the rock carvings were done.
  
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  January 13, 2023 12:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    How about how Dunedin rate payers shelled out for camel hobbles .And the woke Mayor then trying to shame the seller.
    
    ‘ Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull says he has ”no regrets” about stepping in to buy leg irons destined for auction, despite new evidence they were used to hold camels, not Maori prisoners as had been believed.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/no-regrets-over-buying-leg-irons-cull
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:25pm
    - Colville
      
      I have a pair of those !
      
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      January 13, 2023 2:05pm
      - Colville
        
        and I mean mid 1800’s Land War leg irons! Pretty rare .. My eyes were watering and I paid less than half of what he did.
        
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        January 13, 2023 6:31pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Maori skeletons?
    Probably put there by the same guys that did the rock carvings 😎
    
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    January 13, 2023 12:27pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yep Mags, they aren’t what they seem that’s for sure. A good few years back (probably 20 or so) a few mates and I were water skiing at Taupo and decided to go for a blast around the bays. Went to the Maori carvings at Mine Bay. Jumped in off the boat, swam over and climbed on them. The touristy boat crews started screaming and yelling at me. I gave them the royal wave (sort of). One of the boats was a Maori outfit with the skipper yelling how disrespectful it was that I was climbing on a historic site. Doh.
  
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  January 13, 2023 1:23pm
Ghost

Oh Air New Zealand you cheeky buggers, lol

Introducing #SussexClass 👑 Apparently coming soon

https://twitter.com/FlyAirNZ/status/1613640629975912448
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January 13, 2023 12:19pm
- Paulus
  
  Boring !
  
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  January 13, 2023 2:00pm
cas

In the book on Finding the Endurance ( The ship beneath the sea by Mensun Bound), the author says that “the story of what happened to those men after they left the ice has been shaped almost entirely by South ( Shackleton’s own book)…. South was all about myth creation. Shackleton was hungry for fame and fortune and to be seen and adored as a hero…..South was Shackleton’s last chance to carve his name in legend, and if not eclipse Scott, at least endure his place beside him.”

This passage is illuminating. “For books of this type there was a template. which fortunately for Shackleton, perfectly matched the vision of himself that he wanted to project: the noble hero, the fearless leader of a loyal, selfless body f men who, inspired by this example, worked seemlessly for the good of all”.

According to the author there were lots of frictions within the team, borne out in other people’s diaries, and a great load of bullying as well as a distinct us and them hierarchy.

Interesting I thought. Our heroes are not all what they are painted to be.
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January 13, 2023 12:25pm
- Mike
  
  Very few characters from history emerge unscathed and universally adored following fresh scrutiny.
  
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  January 13, 2023 1:02pm
- kowtow
  
  The post modern ( Marxist) fad is to pull down everything from our Glorious Past .
  
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  January 13, 2023 2:16pm
  - MCōs
    
    Apart from those blokes being English they had no compunction about putting the boot into ‘foreigners’.
    In fact Scott of the Antarctic was a bit of a dick, but he had a way with words, which appealed to the morbid English.
    
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    January 13, 2023 6:44pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Even if all this is true, the Shackleton/Endurance expedition story is still an amazing tale of courage, resilience and survival. As well as Shackleton, local Akaroa boy Frank Worsley, the ships Captain was a key figure in sailing from the ice that claimed the Endurance, to Elephant Island, then onto South Georgia Island where the scaled over the icy mountainous terrain to reach the resident Whalers and get their assistance to go and pick up all the crew on Elephant Island.
  
  As well as Shackleton’s book South, there is also a silent movie of the same name, which was put together from film and photographs from the ship’s photographer. I once had the privilege to watch this in Dunedin with the soundtrack provided by organ accompaniment .
  
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  January 13, 2023 10:54pm
Maggie Pie

Word of the day….

‘NEURODIVERGENT’

https://twitter.com/notoaotearoa/status/1612942702592811009
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January 13, 2023 12:48pm
- Don Beckett
  
  So now our nervous systems have gender dysphoria independently of our self-awareness ?
  
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  January 13, 2023 1:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thankyou. There is beer on my keyboard.
  That thing has a husband? Something wrong with the husband as well.
  
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  January 13, 2023 2:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  After reading that tweet I had to look up what demisexual means.
  
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  January 13, 2023 3:55pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s the opposite of…. ‘allosexual’
    
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    January 13, 2023 4:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Sometimes I think I’ve lived a very sheltered life…
      
      (thank goodness)
      
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      January 13, 2023 4:31pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        May be time to throw-off-the-shackles Maggs….Anna’s looking for a woman 😛
        
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        January 13, 2023 5:02pm
Jack5

Bored? Here’s a video (about 17 minutes) on the “legal personhood” of the Wanganui River in which National’s Chris Finlayson features.

I found, about 15 minutes from the end (14min 55sec, to be precise), his views on “incrementalism” interesting.

He spells out what the “personhood” of the river means, and gives his opinion about the impact of this legal device.

https://youtu.be/YQZxRSzxhLI
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January 13, 2023 12:52pm
- Philview
  
  I often complain about the media and Labour but it is starting to seem that Chris Finlayson’s political leanings were kept well hidden by the media when in the National Government.
  
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  January 13, 2023 1:18pm
  - Yabster
    
    I depise the smarmy little man…
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:04pm
  - Bob
    
    I think that they were well hidden from National Too!
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:49pm
Nickc2

Has anyone else noticed a decrease in the number of Trolls on KB today? They must be shuffling the chairs in Fraser House eh?
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January 13, 2023 1:12pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Nickc2 – They are getting ready for the election. Third terms awaits Labour.
  
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  January 13, 2023 2:27pm
  - Yabster
    
    Sir Cullen- look up the meaning of irony…..
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trolls? What and who are they?
    I only know of one – and it is not me!
    
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    January 13, 2023 6:25pm
Maggie Pie

Something completely different I thort worth sharing with the group….

GIANT ANACONDA SWALLOWS MAN WHOLE 🙁

My partner showed me this and reckons it’s fact checked by Snopes.
When you scroll up to the vid I have no doubt it’s authentic.

https://twitter.com/AntalicusTV/status/1613619631524089861
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January 13, 2023 1:59pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Words fail me…
  Here’s a 15 footer crossing the road in Florida
  https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2023/01/06/burmese-python-Everglades-National-Park-road/2631673041590/
  Not sure the people standing around realise how fast these things can move.
  
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  January 13, 2023 2:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW! Only filmed a few days ago as well.
    And i see where anacondas can grow to even twice that!!
    
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    January 13, 2023 2:57pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Reminds me of an old “joke” about Mae West.
      She was on a ship going through the Sydney harbour heads.
      Mae West: Wat are those big fish down there in the water?
      Crewman: They are man-eating sharks.
      Mae West : Really. Do they eat you whole?
      Crewman: Nah – they bite that & spit it out.
      😆
      
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      January 13, 2023 5:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It took a while….
        
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        January 13, 2023 6:27pm
Ghost

Lisa Marie Presley, singer-songwriter and daughter of Elvis and Priscilla Presley, has died. She was 54.

“It is with a heavy heart that I must share the devastating news that my beautiful daughter Lisa Marie has left us,” Priscilla confirmed in a statement to PEOPLE Thursday evening

https://people.com/music/lisa-marie-presley-dead-at-54/
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January 13, 2023 2:54pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Don’t mention the vaccine.
  
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  January 13, 2023 3:06pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Succumbed to medical coincidence?
  
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  January 13, 2023 3:08pm
  - Ghost
    
    She had a long struggle with drug abuse, looking at the video from the night before I do wonder if she was still struggling with that
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvjq5oopMzg
    
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    January 13, 2023 3:49pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Off her tits. I don’t have the money to do that.
      Money + drugs = losers. Sorry.
      
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      January 13, 2023 6:32pm
      - Colville
        
        Says the bloke who pours what down his throat daily?
        Hypocrite much Steve?
        
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        January 13, 2023 7:12pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Lisa has left the building………
  
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  January 13, 2023 3:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Karens, they are everywhere. Must be lack of medication, or not enough medication.
https://patriotunitednews.com/crazy-mask-karen-gets-taken-down-by-fbi-9/
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January 13, 2023 3:19pm
Maggie Pie

And I see where Tamati and his partner are preparing to ‘purchase’ a second baby.

The whole thing makes my flesh crawl.
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January 13, 2023 4:13pm
- The Redbaiter
  
  Me too. Everywhere you look in most of the Western world, (and NZ especially) its as if the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
  
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  January 13, 2023 4:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    HETEROSEXUALS….preventing human extinction for the last two million years.
    
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    January 13, 2023 4:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do they want Male or Female?
  Or one of the other 53+ genders?
  
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  January 13, 2023 6:35pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Confirmed it’s a girl.
    
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    January 13, 2023 6:37pm
- MCōs
  
  Tamaki and his husband will adopt a baby from a surrogate mother.
  They reimburse the mother reasonable expenses.
  About 50 per year are born in NZ.
  
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  January 13, 2023 7:06pm
Swifty

Two quick points.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/130967630/a-significant-fall-from-grace-former-teacherturnedburglar-targeted-the-homes-of-elderly

1. I find it interesting that so many people leave up their social media profiles when before the courts on serious matters. You’d think more people would try to shield their friends and family from any resultant embarrassment from being associated with them.

2. How many rotten thieving scumbags, rapists, violent thugs, drug pushers etc plaster their social media accounts with undying love for their whanau, how they will go to any length to keep them safe etc, how they can always be relied on to look after their family – all the while living squalid, feral lives and all but guaranteeing that their offspring while go down a similar track.

They are so full of shit.

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January 13, 2023 5:32pm
than

Did anyone just watch Newshub story on wastewater polluting the beaches? It suddenly turned into a biased talk about climate change and our water system. I don’t see how climate change is related to wastewater treatment, but the real issue I have is what they said later.
“The upgrade to our drainage system can’t come soon enough” in reference to 3 waters.

Journalists are supposed to be neutral, not pushing their own agendas
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January 13, 2023 6:28pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Yes – apparently the old “wastewater pipes/systems ” weren’t designed to handle today’s “Climate” conditions!!! FFS – has the ignorant twit not figured out that without maintenance all piping systems fail. These guys just make fools of themselves in spades.
  
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  January 13, 2023 7:20pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The great news is that it all belongs to Maori now, so it’s their problem. Let’s hold the new owners to accounts immediately.
  
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  January 13, 2023 11:20pm
Maggie Pie

Just in the kitchen reheating the leftover Thai Red-Duck-Curry from Tuesday nite. Watching Kirsty & Phil on ‘Location, Location, Location’.
Suddenly, 2013 pops up on the screen….this freekin’ episode is TEN YEARS OLD 🙁

To think we’re paying them hundreds a month! How the f…k does SKY get away with selling us this old shit?
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January 13, 2023 7:08pm
Ghost

Senator Questions CDC On Why It Claimed No ‘Unexpected Safety Signals’ For COVID Vaccines

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/senator-questions-cdc-why-it-expected-hundreds-safety-signals-covid-19-vaccines
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January 13, 2023 7:44pm
Ghost

Good to see that someone committing crimes against elderly got a judge that came to a jail term of three years and five months, but it just makes you wonder how this judge could come to that and we have other judges who have given teenagers home detention for multiple rapes.

A former teacher targeted the homes of vulnerable elderly people to steal their bank cards and wallets, to spend their money on groceries, alcohol, and cigarettes.

In two separate sprees in 2021 and 2022, former teacher Anne Te Ao Rangimaria Dunster would break into the homes of eight elderly Thames residents, steal their wallets, bank cards or both, spending more than $3500.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/i-had-bills-to-pay-former-teacher-targets-elderly-in-burglary-theft-spree/EOFV7CIQIVCCVAZ5L43YVXI45I/
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January 13, 2023 8:11pm
MCōs

You’d be pretty mean spirited to grizzle about Ruby Tui
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/black-fern-ruby-tui-takes-time-out-to-visit-strangers-home-and-sign-her-book/G3ITUAKJZZEKNA5V3R2JKES3ZI/
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