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krazykiwi

When it comes to litigation, consumers proving physical harm is a more challenging than investors proving fraud. And this is where Pfizer’s soft underbelly is currently exposed with whistle-blower Brook Jackson pushing though a lawsuit alleging that Pfizer’s clinical trials were knowingly conducted in a fraudulent manner.

Enter Western Blots, which are grainy, organic images taken directly from protein separation lab work and subsequently published in pharmacological studies.

Now take a look at one of Pfizer’s key Western Blots as submitted to the FDA. This blot looks to have a LOT of VERY neat straight lines, when in real life there are always some distortions, brought about by salt or other stuff contained in the samples. Zooming in further continues to reveal lovely, neat uniformity of the type loved by Photoshop aficionados. And there’s more: the blot markers are uniformly spaced and use uniform colour grading that would require Photoshop-like tools.

It’s not like Pfizer didn’t know how to use genuine Western Blots. This one is from the same document, and it is genuine/organic.

The FDA has teams of experts on this stuff. It is literally their raison d’etre, so is difficult to conclude anything other than willful complicity in this fraud.

Pfizer has used fake-data in their submission to get experimental genetic cocktails into billions of bodies, causing incalculable harm, while generating billions of dollars in profit.

Fraud? Yip, yip. That’s what it is.
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January 12, 2023 8:01am
- cmm
  
  Countless medications and vaccines in the past have pulled on the basis that they have negative side effects. So it should be.
  
  In most cases those side effects have been at far lower rates than the Pfizer juice, yet the guidance is still to get jabbed.
  
  Every medic knows this (or it is gross negligence if they don’t know it), yet the majority of them continue to support bulk vaccination.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:36am
  - kevn
    
    @cmm… That (shockingly) still includes MOH, that Dr Verrall and arden.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:45am
    - cmm
      
      Ardern is not a medical person so I don’t expect her to understand.
      
      She does, however, have a duty to be informed and ask probing questions when dissenting voices are heard.
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:16am
      - kowtow
        
        She’s a fraud and an accidental PM.
        The media party actively protect her and never go for the jugular when she’s caught out .
        
        When she first took over the leadership from Little she was asked about the OCR meeting that day , didn’t know it was on . Had that been a right of centre leader they’d have crucified her , as it was it was allowed to pass without comment.
        
        Another major one was the ambush question on the 3 articles of the simple nullity . She had to be prompted by Wily Jackperson . OK ,but for a PM who has staked so much on all things things Maori that’s a bigly .
        
        There was one day during lockup , after the absent health minister went for a bike ride ( while we didn’t) the Media pack finally got some steam up at her podium of Truth , and she was getting quite tetchy and some one from the floor asked a question totally off the topic , taking the heat off , and none went back it . Who that was is impordant as it was a deliberate obstruction and play to get her out of trouble.
        
        And the Media have never put her feet to the flame on the mystery overseas phone call that was the alleged catalyst for our lock ups. Staying informed , not a chance . All captain’s calls based on a mix of emotion , far left agenda and the polls.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She does, however, have a duty to be informed and ask probing questions
        
        I can’t recall any time our Dear PM has asked a probing question.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:37am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        She could have asked “Why are we mandating vaccine passes when the vaccine does not prevent the transmission of the virus?” 2 years later we have 90 percent of the population vaccinated ands 2 million + COVID cases.
        
        I am astonished that even 2 years later no journalists have asked what the hell was the point if the vaccine passes and vaccine mandates? Most people who became infected were vaccinated and caught the virus off someone else who was vaccinated.
        
        That is not a “vaccine”. The MMR vaccine is about 95 percent effective at preventing transmission and that immunity lasts several years. Same with the Hepatitis A vaccine. Of course we now have many parents who (understandably) are triggered every time they hear “vaccine” and have stopped vaccinating their kids.
        
        The damage this episode has done is immense. Predictably, the announced Royal Commission into the COVID response has such narrow terms of reference that none of these issues will be investigated.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:50am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I can’t recall any time our Dear PM has asked a probing question.”
        
        Sadly, she is rarely ASKED a probing question. Mike Hosking did for a while, until she fled from appearing on his radio show.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I would not like to be a journalist who asked a probing question that embarrassed Jaspinda. Danger, danger!
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:15am
      - Surely Knott
        
        @benedict The govt said it did stop transmission in court .( Although the last judge noted they were unable to provide evidence.) if the crown admitted it didn’t stop transmission it wouldn’t have been legally justified imho. And furthermore what kind of product could provide great immune response against personal disease but not stop transmission. It either provides a strong immune response thereby reducing transmission or it doesn’t. And it doesn’t.
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:20am
      - cmm
        
        Maggy, there is a very good reason why she has not ever asked a probing question.
        
        When you ask probing questions you will likely get an answer that gives you some information that is very difficult to fit into a neat box.
        
        Simplistic people like to deal with a fabricated world of yes/no, black/white, good/bad.
        
        The real world is far messier than that. Everything is it-depends, maybe, a shade of grey.
        
        Once you have a messy answer to deal with then that makes decision making hard.
        
        Rather not ask the question. You can then claim “I followed the science” and throw a scientist under the bus.
        
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        January 12, 2023 12:24pm
    - RightFirstTime
      
      And don’t forget Chris “Get Boosted” Bishop.
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:41am
      - Ghost
        
        They werer just following the advise of those who advised them
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:47am
      - cmm
        
        If he shilled for the tobacco lobby he would probably shill for the pharma lobby too.
        
        But ultimately nobody really cares what he says. He is forever tainted by shilling for tobacco. Smoking doesn’t just stunt your growth, shilling for it also stunts your political career.
        
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        January 12, 2023 12:27pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Ghost: seriously, you don’t think he should have done some investigating of his own? I for one sent him (and Seymour) various info for them to at least take the time to look at/do some research themselves. I know I’m not the only one. Beggars belief that you can still seriously say “They were just following the advice of those who advised them”.
        
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        January 12, 2023 8:09pm
      - Ghost
        
        These politicians were just puppets in it all, being advised by who they thought were experts. It’s the experts you should be looking at and the prime minister.
        
        I think everyone should have researched but the vast majority of the population including politicians were caught up in the fear of it and the lies jacinda and Ashley were delivering every day
        
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        January 12, 2023 8:31pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Sorry Ghost. I don’t buy it. Being an elected member of parliament does not equate to putting your head in the sand. Especially in opposition! Your bloody job IS to ask questions. Remember Nuremberg.. “I was just following orders” did not cut the mustard.
        
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        January 12, 2023 8:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        they were getting what they would have thought was correct information from some of the world leading experts including the cdc.
        
        Hindsight is an amazing thing
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:02pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Ghost: I was sending him info mid to late last year when there was plenty of proof all was not well. Enough for them to be suspicious and start digging. No excuses. Never forget.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:11pm
      - Ghost
        
        And do you know if they got that email, did they reply
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:16pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Pffffh… you cannot be serious.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:22pm
      - Ghost
        
        Well did you get a reply, even an automated one? Because if you didn’t then you have to ask the question about government filters on mp’s emails.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:56pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Are you satisfied I’ve used the correct email, Ghost?
        chris.bishop@national.org.nz
        I believe this one would work too….
        christopher.bishop@parliament.govt.nz
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        Read very slowly then it might get into your head, did you receive any replies. Easy question that seems too hard for you to answer
        
        And just as a side note I know when talking about the vaccine with a friend in UK often nothing I sent to her gmail account got to her and what she sent to my xtra account would constantly end up in spam.
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:19pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Ghost, are you ACTUALLY Chris “Get Boosted” Bushop?
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:05pm
      - Ghost
        
        So rather than answer the question twice now you’d rather just make personal insults.
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:19pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Ghost: “And just as a side note I know when talking about the vaccine with a friend in UK often nothing I sent to her gmail account got to her and what she sent to my xtra account would constantly end up in spam”.
        Yes I did get a terse reply, once. Then nothing .. all going to the same address. All talking Covid, Vaccines etc. so if they are putting a filter on their emails that prevent anything with these topics, then what does that tell you about them?
        And yes, the emails sent out by THEM talked of Covid, Vaccines etc.
        Bishop is not the only one within National who doesn’t reply. Yes, maybe the first email.. and then 🦗
        So what you are saying may be true of a government email address, but the political party itself?
        And now you think I’m insulting you by asking if you’re actually Mr Get Boosted. Interesting you think that’s an insult.
        
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        January 13, 2023 7:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Thalidomide. Not pulled, but restricted. Found out something, it is a cancer treatment. I always thought it was a fertility drug.
    
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    January 12, 2023 10:11am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It was used to treat morning sickness in pregnant women. With catastrophic results.
      
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      January 12, 2023 12:02pm
      - mawm
        
        No mutagenic testing was done on these mRNA products. It is bordering on criminal to advise pregnant women to take them.
        
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        January 12, 2023 2:03pm
- Opie
  
  KK, what I want to understand is why.
  
  I get the financial aspect of it but why did they want to fake the data and get this into people? It must be more than money.
  
  They would have known that it didn’t work very well and would be even less effective as the virus naturally mutated.
  
  So why were they so keen to get this into arms?
  
  What does it do that we don’t know about?
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:00am
  - krazykiwi
    
    There are so many unanswered questions. Some of mine include:-
    
    1. Why does the SARS-CoV-2 virus contain protein sequences that were patented my Moderna several years prior to the outbreak?
    
    2. Similarly, why does the SARS-CoV-2 virus contain protein sequences that are identical to those found in the HIV virus?
    
    3. How did Moderna develop a ‘vaccine’ only two days after the genome was published, when this work usually takes years?
    
    4. What is Bill Gates’ involvement given his track record of funding vaccine-related death in Africa, India and South America?
    
    … and so on.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:28am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Bill Gates’ involvement given his track record of funding vaccine-related death in Africa, India and South America
      
      Some cranks start by questioning the urgency and efficacy of measures taken to stem a pandemic, but many of them move on to steadily more far-fetched claims.
      Did you know there was a campaign against the original polio vaccine in the 1950s?
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:58am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Was that because the original polio vaccine had to be pulled because if was killing people? Albeit not at the same rate as the Covid Vaccines.
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:30am
      - Ghost
        
        Far fetched? The polio vaccine the gates foundation is involved with has caused outbreaks
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02233-6
        
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:49am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Milky – the Gates polio vaccine is driving the outbreaks of polio in Africa.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/nov/28/polio-outbreaks-in-four-african-countries-caused-by-mutation-of-strain-in-vaccine
        
        Tell me again how these are all conspiracy theories…….
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:00pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Milky – slowly but surely, the “cranks” are turning into the experts and the “experts” are turning into the cranks. 🤡
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:02pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        @Salacious Crumb – so pulled for good reason.
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/
        But an interesting comment in 2006
        “The Cutter incident had an ambivalent legacy. On the one hand, it led to the effective federal regulation of vaccines, which today enjoy a record of safety `unmatched by any other medical product’ ”
        Wonder what’s happened since? Times are a changing!
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The polio vaccine does not cause polio to spread. Insufficiently high vaccination rates hinder the eradication of polio.
        Typical failure to read even the Guardian story linked above.
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:54pm
      - mawm
        
        Milky – https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-polio-outbreaks-worldwide-put-scientists-on-alert/
        
        “Cases of paralysis in the U.S. and Israel suggest vaccine-derived poliovirus has infected many people”
        
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        January 12, 2023 2:13pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        @mawm – not pushing WHO but even they can be honest at times.
        “But alongside the success of the OPV comes a disadvantage: continued use of the vaccine poses a risk to wiping out the disease.
        
        While OPV is safe and effective, in areas where vaccination coverage is low, the weakened vaccine virus originally contained in OPV can begin to circulate in undervaccinated communities.
        
        When this happens, if it is allowed to circulate for sufficiently long enough time, it may genetically revert to a ‘strong’ virus, able to cause paralysis, resulting in what is known as circulating vaccine-derived polioviruses (cVDPVs).
        
        If a population is adequately immunized, it will be protected against both wild and vaccine-derived polioviruses. ”
        https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/history-of-vaccination/history-of-polio-vaccination#:~:text=Salk%20tested%20his%20experimental%20killed,licensed%20on%20the%20same%20day.
        
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        January 12, 2023 3:43pm
      - mawm
        
        70andstilllearning – I understand the concept however one cannot argue that the US and Israel are not adequately immunised.
        
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        January 12, 2023 6:56pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      KK – so many questions and so much silence:
      
      1. Why are our public health bodies tied up with disease prevention predominantly through vaccines? Their goals should be to drive improvements proven to lift public health i.e. development of robust and healthy immune systems, Vit D level monitoring and supplementation, focus on healthy eating & lifestyles etc
      
      2. How does the system get so broken that internationally, alternative effective cross-purposed medical treatments for Covid-19 were vilified?
      
      3. Where has investigative journalism gone?
      
      4. Who is investigating the gain of function/weaponisation research on diseases – particularly the original Wuhan variant? Given the cost of Covid globally we should be hearing blocs of countries driving for the truth on this.
      
      5. How do we create a system where regulators are incorruptible? Is it possible to keep them independent of the money stream?
      
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      January 12, 2023 1:59pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Opie – it’s worse than useless. The more doses or “boosters” you get, the more damage you do to your innates immune system. The evidence emerging is as concerning as it is compelling.
    I actually didn’t want to worry close friends, I understood they didn’t want to talk about it. No longer. Those I love and care ab0ut I am telling them in no uncertain terms, do NOT get any more of these injections, no matter what pressure you are put under.
    If they go ahead that is their choice and I will still love and care about them, but at least they won’t be saying “why didn’t you tell me?”
    
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    January 12, 2023 10:57am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      “do NOT get any more of these injections, no matter what pressure you are put under.”
      
      Clan – bad advice unless you really are medically qualified and know the person(s) history.
      But before you start going hoha (excuse my french) at me for saying that, just understand a) I’ve been eff’ed over badly by the jab with an immunity disorder that I’m still on meds a year+ later ( if not for life) b) I’m 70+ and co-morb’ed ( my own fault) and c) I’ve survived the bug quite nicely thank you, mostly likely because I did boost (despite my earlier experience!!!).
      For some people it becomes a risk management decision between two potentially bloody poor outcomes and quite frankly layman pressure isn’t helpful. The jab does have some severity mitigation benefits, albeit not for very long. I was probably lucky boost timing/variant wise.
      I’m not trolling you and I hope it is “why didn’t you tell me?” not “why didn’t you stop bloody pushing”.
      Just providing another perspective.
      
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      January 12, 2023 3:08pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Both Tegnell (Sweden) and Bhattacharya (Stanford Uni, censored on twitter by morons therein) stated that there was a case for vaccinating the elderly and those at high risk, if they so chose. Not so for everyone else and especially not for children.
        
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        January 12, 2023 5:32pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Agree with that NZIX – particularly kids, unless the high risk situation applies. It’s the same problem with many medical situations really – there is no 2nd chance if the initial call is wrong. The problem is too many people are hell bent on politicizing a position as a generalization when every case needs a specific decision. Both sides of the equation are as bad as the other.
        
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        January 12, 2023 7:35pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        “Clan – bad advice unless you really are medically qualified and know the person(s) history”
        
        I disagree. No medical professional in my sphere has any cognizance of the evidence-based risk associated with these experimental injections. None that I know provided anything close to detail that would allow for patients to give anything remotely resembling informed consent. The ‘medically qualified’ you speak of are mostly woefully ignorant in the context of Covid. Relying on them for Covid prophylaxis or treatment advice is like relying on an origami expert to build you an aircraft.
        
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        January 12, 2023 8:26pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s my best advice to people I care about. They don’t have to take it. They know I’m not a doctor. They get to choose.
        
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        January 13, 2023 5:36am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      “No medical professional in my sphere has any cognizance of the evidence-based risk associated with these experimental injections.”
      Guess we must be much luckier out here in the boon docks away from the centre of political conformity as have had plenty discussion with medical/health professionals (including GP) on pros and cons. Mind you wouldn’t expect them to be shouting from the rooftops their concerns given the behaviour of their respective disciplinary bodies over the last couple of years ( e.g. MCNZ ). Wonder if it’s just coincidental that those said bodies happen to be located in the same sphere of political conformity? – nah,couldn’t possibly be!
      
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      January 13, 2023 10:59am
  - cmm
    
    Some of this is surely down to the “fake it till you make it” culture in many of these companies.
    
    Money is a huge part of it, but so is the ego rush of being able to pat yourself on the back and say you saved a billion lives (or whatever).
    
    Pfizer, and many other pharmas, have had a lot of bad PR over the last decade or two with various scandals as well as a lot of questions about price gouging etc. CV19 was a really good opportunity to play some good PR and be seen as the good guys who saved humanity.
    
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    January 12, 2023 12:31pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Opie – I too wonder about the deeper meaning in this seemingly irrational situation. The only way I can rationalise what we have seen over the past 3 years is when I consider the spiritual dimension of our existence. A glimpse of this is in the book of Job, where God and Satan converse in the spiritual plain, while the impacts of this play out in Job’s life in our earthly plain.
    
    The quintessential battle between good and evil is going on in our world. Globally, over the past few years, people have been under a powerful delusion, they have been mightily deceived.
    
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    January 12, 2023 2:19pm
- Phronesis
  
  I’ve done more than a few Western blots. Mine certainly didn’t look like that but then we used to make our own gels. A commercial gel loaded and run on a machine would be a lot straighter. Perhaps combined with some image compression artefacts.
  It’s easy to fake blot results anyway so I can’t imagine why they would cgi it. Just get one that looks about right and change the labels. People keep getting caught doing it because they use the same one more than once and they are all unique.
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:02am
- tf78
  
  Watch out for an upcoming Pfizer vaccine for animals, under the name Zoetis it is really an untested mRNA vaccine.
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:17pm
- wilderbeast
  
  How well I remember the days when we were told that the vaccine would (1) save us and (2) the people it prevented us from transmitting to. Turns out it was never tested for transmission, yet that was a key pillar in the government’s argument to effectively mandate it. I work in a private firm where there was a fierce debate about requiring a vaccine to turn up in the office – a big part of that debate, and feedback from employees was fear of catching covid from unvaccinated employees. That was not by accident, it was a seed very carefully sown by our government. I’m old fashioned and see no way that those actions can be simply dismissed or diminished for any reason, including because those days are now behind us. It was an egregious abuse of power and of basic principles of freedom and choice enshrined in western law since just about forever. For me it’s a stain on Labour’s political brand that I will never forget.
  
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  January 12, 2023 6:08pm
kiwikidsnz

I spent most of my working career in Production/Operations Management & was reading a historical WW2 book recently which reminded me that when failure is not an option people used to be able to perform incredible joint efforts in a common cause.

Wellington bomber plane built in 24hrs (on their day off)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Wellington_LN514

https://youtu.be/zlVLZ230iFs

Liberty ship built in 4 days
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Robert_E._Peary

https://youtu.be/1DHD-W8ybqE (long silent reel)

Then I started to wonder whether we’re still capable of pulling together in achieving such feats…
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January 12, 2023 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  In May 2022 they started on a pedestrian crossing and traffic lights on Cobham Drive, SH1 in Wellington. It is still unfinished.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:13am
  - G152
    
    Probably a shortage of rainbow paint
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not only unfinished, but racked up a $2.4m bill, and it’s not even necessary. There are no pedestrians there.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:16am
    - peterwn
      
      Seems they forgot to arrange power, and arranging this could cost a fortune as a very long cable run seems to be needed. They should consider solar power.
      
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      January 12, 2023 8:38am
    - septic skeptic
      
      I’m guessing it’s a speed bump masquerading as a pedestrian crossing?
      
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      January 12, 2023 8:39am
      - pdm
        
        Septic – you could be right.
        
        Michael Wood probably likes his (speed) HUMPS.
        
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        January 12, 2023 8:52am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It is supposed to connect the harbor pedestrian and cycle path to the sports center.
        
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        January 12, 2023 8:53am
      - krazykiwi
        
        There’s a 100m section of ‘hey-you-are-approaching-a-crossing’ re-coloured road seal on the approach to the crossings on each side (which are not yet visible). That new road seal is already breaking down.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:09am
    - Opie
      
      Of the 2.4 million spent so far, 500k went to consultants.
      
      Half a million bucks for a few days work to tell the council where to paint some lines and put in a set of traffic lights.
      
      I’m sure Tory Whanau will be along soon to demand why the cost is so high… don’t hold your breath.
      
      Seriously, this is a main access road to an international Airport. It does not need a set of lights or pedestrian crossing interrupting the traffic flow.
      
      Pedestrians and cyclists are not more important than cars. It’s a road ffs.
      
      For 2.4 million why not put an overbridge in? You could even give it a nice maori name and virtue signal even harder for the same money, without disrupting traffic to the airport.
      
      How do these idiots continue to get away with such stupidity and waste?
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:14am
      - Paulus
        
        Didn’t the estimate for an overbridge cost something like between $11 million and $17 million and that was a few years ago.
        Which Iwi were the Consultants – the Mahuta one ?
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:38am
      - Taieri
        
        Didn’t the estimate for an overbridge cost something like between $11 million and $17 million and that was a few years ago.
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        Very expensive. Wonder why?
        
        The Clutha River bridge being built on SH8 at Beaumont is going to cost $25 million. One would think that this bridge project is somewhat more complex than a simple pedestrian overbridge.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:55am
      - Opie
        
        Any estimate of cost over 1 million is not going to the design, build or consent of the project.
        
        Even if I make up the most ridiculous numbers I can think of I still cant get near it.
        
        200k design and consent (being generous). It’s a weeks work for one engineer…
        500k to prefab and transport
        200k for foundations and install
        10 million dollars to Maori
        
        Oh and a 330k opening ceremony, of which 250k goes on the planning of a 1 hour event.
        
        Do it this way and you don’t even need to touch the road or add lights etc.
        
        Steve Otto… how much to whip us up a steel and concrete overbridge and bolt it to some foundations?
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:51pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Opie.
        $2B
        
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        January 13, 2023 9:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Waiting for a spare pothole, so they can install it?
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:24am
  - NothingLeft
    
    road cone sheparding is highly profitable – dragging it out earns good coin for contractors.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Road cones gotta go somewhere. If they are stored together in a warehouse, the bastards breed.
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ve been keeping my eye on some of them along my road and they’re never in the same place in the morning.
        Some have gone walkabout and shifted up the road, a couple have gone off duty and are sleeping in the long grass.
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Of course in the United States in WW2 there were no people screaming about a climate crisis. If they wanted to build a factory to build bombers, it did not take 5 years because folk were lodging complaints under resource management laws.
  
  There are powerful elites in New Zealand who want to stop things being built. For example the Selwyn District bordering Christchurch is the fastest growing region of New Zealand. There are about 5,000 houses in the planning stage. Christchurch Council is opposing most of these in the Courts because new housing will “encourage people to use private motor vehicles”.
  
  BTW the B29 super fortress, the bomber that dropped the atomic bombs on WW2…. If I were asked how many were built between 1941 and 1945, I might have guessed 200, or maybe 400. However when I checked I discovered that in 4 years, Boeing built 3,970 of these giant airplanes.
  
  So I agree, what the USA achieved in WW2 cannot be replicated today.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Up until December 1941 there was a very influential lobby in the US opposed to involvement in the war. Their obstructionism significantly delayed US armament and active participation in the war.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes, same as WW1 before USA civilians started dying in large numbers on ocean liners being sunk by German submarines.
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:08am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Even the undeclared antisubmarine war between the US and Germany in 1941 was not enough to convince some ‘America First’ types.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:25am
      - kowtow
        
        Same in Ireland .
        
        Irish passengers , seamen etc murdered on liners , professional and volunteer Irish soldiers serving in France and Flanders and yet the republicans in the Easter rebellion hailed their “gallant allies” the Germans when they started their Dublin murder spree.
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:09am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        kowtow is never going to forgive the Irish majority for demanding their independence.
        
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        January 12, 2023 12:43pm
    - Paulus
      
      Pearl Harbour changed that !
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:39am
    - Cassandra
      
      A parallel is that donations to Noraid stopped after 9/11. A conservative is a liberal mugged by reality.
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:03am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Conservative Catholics in New England were prominent supporters of the IRA, hence the role that US politicians were able to play in the Good Friday agreement.
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:01am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Milky do you think you might have a reflexive hatred of the USA?
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:34pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    One little known fact is that the B-29 program actually cost more than the Manhattan Project. In his famous 1985 book, The Making of the Atomic Bomb, author Richard Rhodes argued that the cost of both programs alone added pressure to use them – because otherwise you’d have to face an angry American public asking why so many resources were applied to weapons not used.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:34am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      If the American public was ever told the cost of these programs. Didn’t Trump once wonder aloud why the US had nukes if they weren’t going to use them?
      
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      January 12, 2023 11:02am
      - cmm
        
        There is a difference between using weapons which have been developed and developing an entirely new weapon during the war.
        
        The benefits of the nukes were not realised during WW2, but as a post-war threat during the cold war.
        
        The nukes dropped on Japan caused less damage than operations using conventional weapons (eg. the firebombing of Tokyo).
        
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        January 12, 2023 12:47pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        cmm
        I think there is an argument to be made that the use of the two A-bombs prompted a swifter surrender, at the very least, and at most avoided the need for an extremely costly invasion of the Japanese home islands.
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:56pm
      - cmm
        
        mma: The problem with statements/musings like yours is that they are not realistic.
        
        Definitely dropping the nukes shortened the war compared with doing nothing. But by how much? A month? Two months? There was huge worry that the war was going to end before they would have a chance to drop them.
        
        But a better comparison would be this: What if the USA had not expended their efforts on nukes and had instead expended the effort in developing other weapons?
        
        If half of the resources (and brains) put into building the nukes had instead been put into making bombs and aircraft they could have done Tokyo-style bombings many times over.
        
        While the nukes were somewhat symbolic, their actual destructive force was not nearly that of the Tokyo fire-bombing raid. Two more fire-bombings would have had more effect (other than maybe the symbolism of the mushroom cloud).
        
        If effort on VT fuse development had been 5x what it was (still only costing a small % the cost of developing the nuke) then the VT fuse might have been deployed in 1941 rather than only in 1943/4.
        That could REALLY have shortened the war.
        
        And that’s the problem with history (setting aside the airbrushed versions). We only have what really happened. All the “if onlys” are all just speculation.
        
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        January 12, 2023 3:28pm
    - cmm
      
      It is not just the cost of the development, but the massive opportunity cost of all the resources employed.
      
      Whole towns, power stations and massive factories etc were built to construct those bombs. If the same workforce had been put into construction of more pedestrian equipment: planes and shells etc then far more could have been accomplished.
      
      Similarly, the best and the brightest engineers were scooped up by that project. If those engineers and scientists had been put into designing planes, radar, munitions etc then that would likely have yielded better results.
      
      IMHO, and the opinion of most people who understand logistics, the VT fuse (proximity fuse) was a far better invention. It reduced the number of shells required to do a job (kill soldiers in trenches, knock enemy planes out of the air) by a factor of around 6. That meant every gun firing VT shells was equivalent to 6 guns firing normal shells. Each ship became 6 ships. Each ammunition train became 6 ammunition trains. Each ammunition factory because 6 factories, etc…
      
      The VT fuse program was achieved using a relatively small staff and resources (a tiny fraction of what was used for the nukes).
      
      Hitler is blamed for some follies like the V-rocket programme that absorbed too many resources and cost the war. The nuke programme almost did the same.
      
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      January 12, 2023 12:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Similar arguments have been made against the efficacy of the entire strategic bombing campaign against Germany.
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:58pm
      - cmm
        
        Similar arguments have been made against many things.
        
        War can be extremely wasteful of resources and the methods will determine a lot of what happens.
        
        On average, most fairly modern wars have consumed about 2000 rounds of small arms ammo + 1 artillery shell or bomb per person killed. ie somewhere around 400kg of munitions per person killed. Yet a sniper can knock off a whole platoon with a pocketful of ammo.
        
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        January 12, 2023 3:33pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        It’s a good argument (in hindsight), but I suggest you read The Making of the Atomic Bomb which goes into detail about the drivers of the program. What it came down to was the fear that the Nazi’s would build one – and that was a fear of the scientists, military and politicians. Germany had the scientists and in fact the atom splitting science itself came out of Germany in 1938, courtesy of Otto Hahn. The refugee scientists from Germany were under no illusions, even if they perhaps did not understand the logistics required.
        
        And that was no fake fear, of which accusations of such could reasonably made during the Cold War. Nobody in Britain or the USA relaxed until they’d scooped up all of the Uranium and located the pitiful little proto-reactor in Germany.
        
        Re the strategic bombing of Japan; as destructive as it was – and as you say the March 1945 raid on Tokyo was far worse than the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – the fact is that the strategic bombing proponents were proved to be wrong by events, even if the arguments made sense. Neither Germany nor Japan (nor North Korea) surrendered because their cities got burned down. After the Blitz one could argue that it had to be worse, but then you get Hamburg, then Dresden, then Tokyo, and with each successive escalation the people grimly stuck it out, the factories got dispersed and the militaries continued to fight. LeMay boasted of “burning down every town in North Korea”, but it still took ground war and negotiation to end it.
        
        Hell, in Japan the military nutters were still pushing their plans even after the Emperor decided he’d had enough. The Atomic Bombs had shock value, but I do wonder what would have happened if the Emperor had lost the argument and the US had continued to atomic bomb the place? LeMay reckoned they’d run out of targets by November with conventional attacks anyway. And then what? Blockade and starvation anyway (the US Navy argument, which had merit)? Invasion in the hope of weak resistance?
        
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        January 12, 2023 5:54pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Oh, and as few movies I’ve seen in theaters in the last few years, with all the BS we’ve dealt with…
        
        … I can’t wait to see what Christopher Nolan and one of his long-time choices, Cillian Murphy, can do with Oppenheimer
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:30pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yes, that build quantity number is surprising. I see that 402 B-29s were lost bombing Japan—147 of them to Japanese flak and fighters and 255 to engine fires and mechanical failures.
    
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    January 12, 2023 6:44pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Yes they are Benedict, the real reason is most likely to be that the City Council don’t want to miss out on the $25 million rates per year from 5000 rateable properties.
    
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    January 12, 2023 10:24pm
- stewmar
  
  My Dad flew in Wellingtons in WW2 as a rear gunner in 75 Squadron.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:36am
  - David Garrett
    
    stew: If that is so, you are lucky to be here old boy…rear gunners had the worst chances of survival in all of Bomber Command as the dirty Hun liked to attack from behind.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:06am
    - Don Beckett
      
      My uncle was a navigator in Lancasters – shot down 3 times, captured & escaped twice – then 18 months in a stalag luft.
      Whe I was a kid our neighbour was Squadron Leader Noel James who flew Grumman TBF in the pacific.
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:44am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Oh – and dad’s friend Tom Austin who was Mentioned in Despatches – a builder in Te Puke – flew Hurricanes, Spitfires & Hawker Tempests.
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:46am
      - Deane Jessep
        
        My grandfather was a Pilot; I understand he flew Hurricanes in Burma, embarked as a Sergeant (Pilot) in ’41 and returned as a Warrant Officer in ’46. His Cenotaph refers to being in “Mounted Rifles” not entirely sure how that links up. He always said he dropped aid, not bombs, but wouldn’t ever say anything else.
        
        Nonetheless, thanks for this side thread, it reminded me we have passed 20 years since he died so I can go request his service record and find out.
        
        https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C18774?lang=en-nz
        
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        January 12, 2023 5:34pm
      - Deane Jessep
        
        *Hurricanes & B24 Liberators
        
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        January 12, 2023 5:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  5 Million of us formed a team and voluntarily locked ourselves up.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    No plenty of us did it under duress .
    
    Couldn’t risk a conviction or trial by media.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:46am
  - Ghost
    
    I always found reasons to go out. Doctors appointment was a 20 minute drive in then a good old gossip with the reception and dr. Whoops forgot some shopping better go get some food. Hmmmm, think I left my card at the doctors.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:49am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy – some of us left the team after a couple of weeks of dictatorial sermons from the Beehive pulpit.
    
    The droning of Ardern gave us the guts ache.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:55am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Agreed
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:47am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        She’s vomit reducing
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:44am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I can handle about 5 seconds these days.
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:36pm
  - I remember when
    
    Goodbye cruel world!
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I sent an email to Jaspinda asking to be unsubscribed from the team of 5 million.
    
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    January 12, 2023 10:33am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Brilliant – you will be on a red purge list somewhere though Steve.
      
      I think she started dropping more out of the team with the:
      
      1. River of filth, “they are not us”
      2. Creation of two classes of people “yip, yip, that is what it is.”
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:09pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      You’ll be on some list with the um wonderful people at the disinformation project.
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:37pm
- cmm
  
  I think we could, so long as we didn’t have to trip over as much red tape and focus on simplicity.
  
  Wellington bombers and Liberty ships are also much simpler than their modern counterparts.
  
  There’s a lot to be said for simplicity. The USA have not developed a good military aircraft since engineers stopped using slide rules. F16: 1974, A10 warthog:1972, C130:1954.
  
  All the “labour saving” computers do is add a whole lot of complexity to the design process making them take longer and the designers end up pursuing more complexity that does not work out in the long term.
  
  The slide rule era forced designers to focus on simpler solution mainly because slide rules are less precise. Engineers plugged their brains in more than working with mathematical models.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:45am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Austin Pickersgill, the shipbuilder in NE England, designed the SD 14 Liberty replacement using slide rules in a month, then cut the steel.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:53am
  - Taieri
    
    Liberty ships are also much simpler than their modern counterparts
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    Production methods have changed since. Also, there’s nothing overly complicated in the modern container ships, even most of the automation is available “off the shelf”. The biggest problem is the capacity limitation in the yards.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:54am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    A classic example, which may be a fable, is that NASA spent millions designing a pen that would write in zero G, while the Russkies continued to use pencils.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:57am
    - jp_1983
      
      Not quite –
      https://spinoff.nasa.gov/space-pens
      
      Why not just use a pencil?
      
      NASA wanted to avoid pencils because the lead could easily break off and float away, creating a hazard to astronauts and sensitive electronics on the spacecraft. In fact, a pencil is such an impractical alternative in space that cosmonauts also have been using Space Pens since 1969.
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:00am
      - NothingLeft
        
        yeah, and pencil ‘lead’ graphite is doubly bad because it is conductive – a nightmare for electronics.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:15am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks for that.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:26am
      - cmm
        
        It is apocryphal. The space pens were designed outside of NASA by opportunists and were given and later sold to NASA to promote sales (they were the social influencers of the day), alongside the free Ford Mustang etc.
        
        I think though that the concern about electronics is bullshit. Graphite is conductive but it is unlikely to impact on the performance of electronics because all the electronics was boxed and there would be no ingress point for a bit of broken off lead.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:43am
  - I remember when
    
    Red tape:
    How much is the ETS adding to business costs.
    How much is based on genuine science.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:08am
  - Paulus
    
    And we still have an a fleet of the great C130 still flying for now, but will be upgraded wirh current new models.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:41am
    - Ian Boag
      
      The first C130 in NZ turned up for the RNZAF 21st birthday (1957) at Ohakea. The audience was blown away when it went out to the runway and reversed what seemed like 100m … the pilot stood on the brakes and opened the taps … it took off in the same 100m or so. The climbout was so steep that we understood the reason for the high tail was so it didn’t hit the ground on takeoff ….
      
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      January 12, 2023 12:06pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Engineers plugged their brains in more than working with mathematical models.
    
    What branch of engineering did you study?
    
    Any kind of design calculation is a “mathematical model”. “Plugging in their brains” means using (hopefully) intelligent guesses rather than detailed calculations. Rules of thumb and all that.
    
    Me if I am going to fly 10km up in the sky in a metal tube, I would like to think that the design calculations were exhaustively covered …..
    
    If precision was the problem, log tables worked better than slide rules … just a whole lot slower.
    
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    January 12, 2023 10:13am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    F18 Hornet?
    
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    January 12, 2023 5:39pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The Liberty ship build was a publicity stunt. However, the average build time was about 3 weeks.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:48am
- Nickc2
  
  They didn’t have MDOs (Maori Days Off). That’s a risk that must be built into tendering for contracts in NZ. However, no Risk Management Models exist in NZ to mitigate such phenomena.
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m pretty sure the US at the time had equivalent ethnic slurs against Blacks, Poles, etc.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:27am
    - Cassandra
      
      I repeat: a conservative is a liberal mugged by reality. Have you been an employer, mike?
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        How would such a question be relevant to Nick2’s racist slurs?
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:05am
      - leoj
        
        @milky: Truth re MDOs is such a bitch.
        
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        January 12, 2023 12:11pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I have heard from a reasonably good source that when US aircraft carriers are told they are to be deployed to a war zone, suddenly significant numbers of female crew declare they are pregnant.
      
      If this is true, should people be dissuaded from mentioning this?
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:44pm
- Ra Henare
  
  A hugh bit of misinformation!!
  
  The Wellington Bomber built in 24 hours was a specially planned propaganda build, long after the Wellingtons had started production.
  
  So this post is a brilliant piece of propaganda in its own right!!
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:42am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Nope, I was aware that these were promotional efforts as is well covered in the links I provided. However they did do it & in the case of the bomber mostly by newly trained women supporting the home war effort while me were away fighting.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:50am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Then I started to wonder whether we’re still capable of pulling together in achieving such feats…
  
  You’ll enjoy this story then: all commercial flights in the USA were cancelled for a few hours yesterday morning because the FAA’s software systems used to send information to flight crews failed. They’re basically 1950’s-1970’s systems that have not been upgraded in three decades, but as this wag notes:
  
  Gosh I can’t imagine why the FAA is so f**ked up, I really thought they’d come out stronger after hosting a Gender Inclusive Language Summit
  
  He also includes the FAA budget items for such things, courtesy of the $1.7 trillion “Omnibus” bill recently passed.
  
  And this comes after the recent fuckups with SouthWest Airlines software (1980’s – 90’s vintage) and the revelation that Twitter was not running an SDLC environment, which meant there were programmers screwing around with “live” software to keep things going.
  
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  January 12, 2023 10:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Twitter will run much better now that the few remaining staff have been told to clean their own offices, etc.
    
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    January 12, 2023 11:07am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Possibly. It will run even better without the cancel culture morons sticking their oars in.
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:47pm
- cas
  
  We’ve been watching some programmes on the Secrets of the London underground and they managed to construct complicated stuff very quickly. And let’s not forget the Chines, who, at the start of Covid, built a hospital in ten days.
  
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  January 12, 2023 1:25pm
- tf78
  
  Look what a group of people managed in a couple of weeks during the “occupation” of parliament’s grounds last year. They had a mini city working, including education and working showers. That is what happens when willing people are left to their own devices, they work as a community.
  
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  January 12, 2023 6:45pm
  - Mike
    
    LOL.
    
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    January 12, 2023 6:59pm
kiwikidsnz

Random question: is sending a Valentine’s day card to someone now considered sexual harassment/ stalking ?
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January 12, 2023 8:05am
- kowtow
  
  Saint Valentine’s.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Another interesting legend from the pantheon of Christian mythological demi-gods. The patron saint of beekeepers and his magic may be invoked against mental illness, plague and epilepsy.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:01am
    - Yabster
      
      similiar to all those mythical maori gods/monsters huh Milkdud…
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Indeed, but vastly many more of them in the Catholic pantheon are being prayed to daily, in vain, for magical intercessions.
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:29am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Feel free to piss on the other major religions with bitchy venom Milky. That would only be “equitable” right?
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:52pm
    - Ghost
      
      Good luck. Hope it helps you
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:54pm
  - Paulus
    
    My Birthday in 1940 just before the start of WW11.
    I did not cause it Mum ~!
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:48am
    - Don Beckett
      
      WW2 started in 1939.
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:55am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not for the Americans. Or the Russians, depending on whether the carve up of Poland & the Winter War count as WW2.
        
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        January 12, 2023 6:55pm
- Biscuit
  
  Depends, kiwikidsnz.
  
  I prefer offbeat VD messages:
  
  You were so distant,
  Now we’re as one.
  Thanks to some duct tape
  And a glue gun.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:19am
- Happy1
  
  It is if you send one to my missus.
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:36am
Matt Long

AOC blames her cognitive/ mental issues on gas cookers. https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-slams-aoc-she-says-gas-stoves-linked-brain-damage-dems-literally-insane
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January 12, 2023 8:06am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Then she shouldn’t put her head in one for extended periods
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:54am
  - Cassandra
    
    Yes she should.
    
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    January 12, 2023 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It makes her talk funny. No wait, that’s helium.
  Must be something else wrong with her.
  
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  January 12, 2023 10:46am
Matt Long

Another Regressive coincidence, no eggs available in USA stores, this time it’s bird flu.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-users-declare-eggs-luxury-item-prices-soar-new-bitcoin
Don’t worry, bugs are cheap to eat.
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January 12, 2023 8:09am
- Ghost
  
  Over 52 million birds have been killed in the USA because of bird flu, it’s been going on for months. Where as in New Zealand after farmers had started shifting to the new regulations they were told a few years ago by the supermarkets that wasn’t enough and the supermarkets would only be buying free range eggs. Blame the supermarkets here for the shortages.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    As I said a coincidence, the food shortages and rationing during Arden’s government another coincidence.
    If the world doesn’t shake off the regressive ideology and moronic response to climate change there will be a lot more coincidences.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      IIRC New Zealand will run out of Taranaki gas in about 10 years (or the supply will be way less than demand). I have not seen any plans for how we source gas in the 2030s. Or do we just have no gas?
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:19am
      - Paulus
        
        No, it will be remnants of Jacinda’s piss and wind !
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:49am
      - Ian Boag
        
        I understand that as supply runs down, some of the big users will be phased out eg the methanol plant which was only built as a way to suck up a huge surplus of “take or pay” Maui gas.
        
        No danger of your gas stove running out in this lifetime.
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:17am
  - I remember when
    
    Bird flu? I thought that apart from some notable exceptions birds always flew.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:24am
    - Cassandra
      
      Please don’t comment any moa.
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:08am
      - Random T Person
        
        Enough with the pigeon English!
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:02am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I must admit to surprise at an egg shortage.
    
    What happened to capitalist enterprise.
    All those non free range eggs could be sold thru all sorts of veggie shops around the countryside(or something similar.
    
    A true free market would gazump the supermarkets.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:48am
    - trout
      
      There does not appear to be a shortage of eggs (at a price); there IS a shortage of CHEAP eggs produced using battery cages. Cheap eggs are used in industrial food processing and sold by the tray at markets and small retail food shops.
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:20am
    - G152
      
      There must be a door that this egg shortage can be laid at
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        There is. The supermarkets who demanded the farmers who were shifting to the new regulations change again as the supermarkets would only stock free range.
        
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        January 12, 2023 12:04pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        The shortage is because of the supermarkets. This is also part of the reason for the increase in costs, the other reason for the increase in cost has been the shortage of wheat used for chicken feed. This shortage of wheat has meant the cost of feed has gone up between 30% and 50%. These cost increases have been used as an excuse to increase egg prices to end consumers.
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:22pm
slightlyrighty

https://variety.com/2023/music/news/gwen-stefani-japanese-defends-harajuku-era-1235483794/

So, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction, because the Woke-erati have got me way the hell confused on this one…

Gwen Stefani claims to be Japanese, and is now being lambasted because she can’t claim this, because that’s cultural appropriation.

Now, Ethnicity is determined by genetics.

So is Biological Sex, which determines your gender. However, those in the ‘woke’ category have deemed it ok to self identify as any gender you like, regardless of your biology.

Why is Transgender ok, while Transethnic not ok?

Why is Transgenderism not regarded as Gender appropriation?

Why is Gwen Stefani being criticised for identifying as Japanese, but if she said she is now Glen Stefani, the same people wouldn’t bat an eyelid?
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January 12, 2023 8:09am
- Random T Person
  
  Oh what a complex web, etc
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:03am
- Phronesis
  
  Quite so, of course the genetic differences between ethnicities of the same sex are tiny and hard to detect. Whereas the difference between male and female sperm is so large that we can separate them by weight.
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    male and female sperm
    Presumably you mean male and female gametes….which can be separated by weight.
    
    I don’t think we have such an easy way of separating “female sperm” from male sperm, yet.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sperm
    
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2019.00388/full#:~:text=The%20only%20difference%20between%20X,between%20X%20and%20Y%20spermatozoa.
    
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    January 12, 2023 11:43am
    - Phronesis
      
      You’ve confused yourself Maggy. Read your links if you don’t understand how.
      
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      January 12, 2023 12:39pm
    - notreadyet
      
      yes we do, ask any dairy farmer, they can order sexed semen from breeding suppliers that will give them over 95pc heifer calves, is expensive and has lower conception rates so not that popular
      
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      January 12, 2023 1:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Cheers….
        
        No more unwanted bobby calves.
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:26pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I do think sexed semen will increase in popularity as the world becomes more addicted to the notion that cute baby animals don’t die. Both on farm euthanasia and meatworks processing of unwanted male calves is likely to be outlawed within a few years.
        Even now Fonterra has signalled they will require evidence of the fate of all calves born on their Shareholder’s properties next season or the one after.
        Say goodbye to cheap plentiful food, pine needle tea anyone?
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:39pm
Maggie Pie

Received my signed copy of ‘SPARE’ yesterday afternoon.

Hopefully we’re in for a wet weekend so I can curl up in the Living Room.

Will post review as soon as I finish it – 416 PAGES!
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January 12, 2023 8:13am
- G152
  
  Good luck with that
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:17am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s great of you to take all the hits for us MP, trawling through Twitter and reading fan fiction.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:18am
- Ghost
  
  How was it signed, with giant penis drawn on Harry’s face? Well a little frost bitten one I guess
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:23am
  - pdm
    
    Hanging down.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:30am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Yes apparently Harry had a frost bitten penis at Will & Kate’s wedding. Everyone else had the chicken… 🤪
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    HARRY didn’t sign it silly!!
    
    I got the manager of ‘Paper-Plus’ to sign it for me.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:53am
    - Ghost
      
      He might be the guy that wrote the book for harry
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:14am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I see where Hazza is….. ‘very sweaty’
        
        Unlike Uncle Andrew then?
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  A few errors of fact are starting to emerge. Harry remembers his mother gave him an X-Box console as a gift in 1997, except that the X-Box didn’t come out until four years later. And he has claimed that he and Meaghan booked her father on a flight from Mexico to the UK, buying first class tickets. The only problem there is that Air NZ has never flown commercially in or out of Mexico, and doesn’t operate a first class option.
  
  If Harry has made such obvious and easily-rebutted errors in details like these, how reliable is his memory?
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:26am
  - Scott
    
    Tony, that’s an excellent question. How reliable is Harry’s memory?
    Actually the good prince covers that issue on page 13 of his memoirs (yes I’m reading it too).
    
    “Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates as it sees fit, and there’s just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts.”
    
    I hope that settles the matter in your mind? 🤔
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:35am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Clearly written by the ghost writer. Covers his own back as well as Harry’s: ‘gathers and curates as it sees fit’. Very Harry- speak sarc.
      
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      January 12, 2023 11:18am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Translation:
      
      This is what Harry remembers, he is not attesting to the accuracy of his memory”.
      
      Translation: the next 403 pages are not reliable.
      
      So questions for Harry, how good is your counting? Was it really 25 or some other number, or did you just make it up?
      
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      January 12, 2023 1:30pm
    - Ehlana
      
      “there’s just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts.”
      
      I wonder if that works everywhere? For example, there’s just as much truth in my memory that I can legally drive at 120km/hr as there is in the so-called objective fact of the sign saying 50.
      
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      January 12, 2023 1:54pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Channeling his inner Humpty Dumpty
      
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      January 12, 2023 7:01pm
  - Ghost
    
    Also being in school when the Queens mum died and remembering the phone call, ah, no, as the media have shown you were skiing with daddy and had to come home early. Now claiming he never gloated about killing 25 taliban. Damn boy, read your own book.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:38am
  - Ehlana
    
    Human memory is notoriously unreliable. But remember, what is important now is the feels.
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Comparing any person’s autobiography with an actual biography would confirm this.
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:04am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    He says he was at Eton when he got the call that the Queen Mother had died. He was on holiday in Klosters with his Father and Brother
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:50am
- cmm
  
  416 pages. Hopefully soft, preferably triple ply.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:31am
  - Biscuit
    
    cmm, I saw a news clip last night of a bookseller leafing through a few pages of the tome in quetion…
    
    Its seemed to be 416 pages only making it to 416 pages because of the use of an extraordinarily-large font size…
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:39am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Old people mainly read about the Saxe-Coburg Gothas, so large print make sense.
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:05am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Here’s an extract Maggie 😉
  
  “I once had to use my salad fork for the entrée!… and that’s how my PTSD started”…
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:32am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Wait… there’s more
    
    “once he came at me with 2 fingers, he squeezed my nose then pulled away, he had my nose between his fingers, he said ‘I’ve got your nose’ he wouldn’t give it back, then he threw it across the room and it disappeared”
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:37am
- mogg
  
  Bin the misery memoir and read ‘Cold Comfort Farm’ that will cheer you up. It’s also an E-book on Libby so you could listen while you are scrubbing round-the-bend.
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:32am
- leoj
  
  Harry appears to the result of all the royal inbreeding.
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:07pm
  - Ghost
    
    Radar online, which can’t be trusted is claiming Charles has demanded a paternity test, would be a laugh if real
    
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    January 12, 2023 12:15pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      That was done very early on. The only thing is the hair is of the Spencers, but his looks are much a Windsor.
      
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      January 12, 2023 1:36pm
  - greybeard
    
    I don’t think Harry has any Royal blood in him.
    And that is his main gripe.
    
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    January 12, 2023 1:43pm
- Alex
  
  SPARE us Maggie or Maggy.
  Better not to help Hazza in his slush fund.
  
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  January 12, 2023 3:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m with you Alex.
    
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    January 12, 2023 7:12pm
Inandout

Joe Biden must be near the end of his tenure surely? There is this clip of him greeting a Salvation Army chap as a security person, and then there is a strange clip of him looking like Bob Hope. This cannot continue.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-caught-on-camera-apparently-mistaking-salvation-army-for-secret-service-during-el-paso-trip/ar-AA1690eX
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January 12, 2023 8:18am
- septic skeptic
  
  I assume he chose KH as his running mate for this exact purpose – to ensure that he can’t be replaced!
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:45am
kevn

@Maggie… You will need a stimulant to make it to the end.
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January 12, 2023 8:19am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I gather Harry talks quite a bit about stimulants…
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:26am
  - pdm
    
    Stimulants or Aphrodisiacs?
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:32am
Yvette

Tairāwhiti flooding: ‘Our whole property was underwater’ – Damage after logs block river
… [Linda Gough, who lives inland in Tolaga Bay next to the Mangatokerau River} said in 2018 the almost exact event played out when Cyclone Cook hit the coast.
“We lost absolutely everything,” Gough said, but she noticed this time there seemed to be more logs.
From the damage in 2018, Gough said they were approached by a lawyer from one of the forestry companies to cover costs of the damage.
“Their lawyer sat at the bottom of our staircase, saying he was coming to talk about fixing us up for what we’d lost… I said no we’ll just go to court because that’s ridiculous … and he says ‘oh well you can do that, but we’ve got unlimited funds and we’ll just keep going’ … they know we can’t fight them,” Gough said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482272/tairawhiti-flooding-our-whole-property-was-underwater-damage-after-logs-block-river

“That [2018] year, an estimated one million tonnes of logs and debris were strewn on properties and roads in Tolaga Bay” “but [Linda Gough] noticed this time there seemed to be more logs”

So quite an amount, it seems: an estimated one million tonnes in 2018, perhaps more this time – is this slash portion of trees, visible now because it is stacked up in rivers, strewn over paddocks and laying on beaches, this dead wood that is going to unsequester its carbon, is it ever deducted from the impact of those trees James Shaw and others planted in New Zealand to save the planet?

And even if rain doesn’t pour torrentially down to deliver slash into full view, what portion is it to planet-saving trees, when it lies rotting and decarbonising on the forest floor ?

And mātauranga Māori –
if you want to uproot a kauri tree do it while it is a sapling
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January 12, 2023 8:26am
- Matt Long
  
  I hope none of the rotting waste creates methane because that would make my cows extremely jealous.
  Our Dear Leaders had assured them they were unique in producing methane.
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:45am
  - Yvette
    
    Matt Long
    Will the new “3 Waters” Entity C deal with slash, be it to solve the problem of it entering the river at catchment level. or rotting in the newly appended coastal waters?
    And what relation is Tānemahuta, the God of the Forest and all that lives within it, to Nanaia and Tuku?
    
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    January 12, 2023 11:02am
yossarian

I see that Musk (who I nominate as the person of the year) has fired the entire Brazilian Twitter team for election interference.

There’s going to be done very nervous people now that Elon has set out to make elections fair and open

https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern-day-censorship/elon-musk-fires-twitters-entire-staff-in-brazil-because-of-left-wing-bias-in-presidential-elections/
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January 12, 2023 8:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  Nah a Tesla he is driving will suddenly blow up.
  
  Uncle Klaus is not very happy with his once acolyte.
  
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  January 12, 2023 8:57am
  - yossarian
    
    Rumour has it that he’s up his personal security.
    
    No wonder
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      He is reported to have been up quite a few of his employees already.
      
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      January 12, 2023 11:09am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Always putting your head down the dunny to see what juicy morsels you can sniff out, eh Mikey. Gets you through the boredom of your day, I guess.
        
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        January 12, 2023 11:55am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Loathsome.
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:45pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The reality is there will always be a significant number lining up with a warm twinkle in their eyes.
        
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        January 12, 2023 5:57pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Actually, Klaus might be more at risk of that one
    
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    January 12, 2023 7:23pm
BeaB

Our always truthful TVNZ news showed us a woman in London buying Harry’s awful book, telling us she was in the queue. TV3 news showed us the same woman telling us she was the only buyer and the other people were all media, waiting to film the (non-existent) queue.
UK print media have pictured the woman as the sole buyer when the book went on sale in that particular shop.
How did TVNZ get it so wrong? If they can’t check small but well-known details, how can we trust them on the big stuff?
Lazy and sloppy.
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January 12, 2023 9:08am
- MCōs
  
  Who cares?
  Who really cares?
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:26am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah a lying , lazy , sloppy media is not an issue to care about .
    
    Nor is all the money the taxpayer pumps into it .
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:45am
  - Alex
    
    Mc.Cos I care because Lyin Is Lyin, if you give them an inch they take a mile.
    Like Brazil’s arrested were the peaceful ones camped next to army in tents not the ones breaking in to parliament.
    Just like here in February tents destroyed.
    
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    January 12, 2023 3:54pm
- oldfella
  
  BeaB: How can TVNZ get it so wrong? They get a lot of things wrong.
  Take this jaw-dropper from last night’s 6pm bulletin…
  Wendy: ‘2022 was NZ’s hottest year – ever!’
  Yep, hotter than any years going back before Captain Cook, the arrival of the Maori. Going back to when this country first rose from the ocean.
  Except the statement was wrong.
  It was the hottest since record keeping began… in 1909. An inconvenient fact which appeared in any number of news stories throughout the day. Even Brandolino and co acknowledged it.
  But, no, screamed TV1, ‘ hottest EVERRRR’.
  I’m sure they’ll have a correction tonight. //
  
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  January 12, 2023 10:38am
I remember when

The damage caused by forestry ‘slash’ in Gisborne is a problem that isn’t going to go away any time soon.
Unfortunately, forestry is part of the life-blood of the region.
Incidentally, to what extent is the volume of slash influencing river level readings and surface flooding levels.
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January 12, 2023 9:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Richard Prebble writes on the nightmare of a little boy developing toothache during school holidays.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/richard-prebble-2
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January 12, 2023 9:24am
- Ghost
  
  What the bleeping bleep bleep bleep. A private practice can’t treat a school child now, who the bleep was the moronic bleeps bleeps bleeps that brought that in.
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:28am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Her dentist said she would like to help but there is a government regulation banning dentists in private practice from treating children.”
    
    Moronic.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:37am
    - MCōs
      
      My 5yo granddaughter went to the dentist today to have some wiggle teeth removed.
      I offered to yank them out with my long nosed pliers.
      
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      January 12, 2023 8:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve had dental work on my adult teeth every 6 -12 months each year of my life.
    (I grew up in non-fluoridated W(h)anganui)
    
    I have spent a fortune at the dentists.
    
    I never wanted my children to attend the school dental service, so I enrolled them as infants with my Wellington Dentist.
    
    It meant I had to pay for any of their childhood/teen treatments, but I felt happier that they were being attended by someone I trusted.
    
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    January 12, 2023 10:00am
    - Ghost
      
      I broke my front teeth as a child so was enrolled with a dentist. But I also remember before that getting a toothache on holiday in Gisborne one year, no problem at all getting into a dentist then
      
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      January 12, 2023 10:07am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      What is the rationale for orphaning dentistry and eye care from general public medicine I wonder?
      
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      January 12, 2023 6:00pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    State control of everything
    Big government
    Jacinda knows best
    No need to think
    We will take care of you *
    
    What did I miss?
    
    * actual experience may vary
    
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    January 12, 2023 12:54pm
    - MCōs
      
      I would say you missed the truth.
      
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      January 12, 2023 8:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  When were the school dental clinics and nurses abolished.
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:32am
  - RightNow
    
    2018
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They haven’t been
    
    https://www.education.govt.nz/school/property-and-transport/leasing-and-hiring/leasing-or-hiring-to-third-parties/dental-clinics/
    
    Just a big problem during school holidays.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:47am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Good service here still but a lot of waste in the system from no shows.
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:15pm
- Ra Henare
  
  and contrary to Orange man bad.
  
  Trump removed over 6,000 idiotic regulations like this!! Never been done before or since 🙂
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:59am
Maggie Pie

Found this interesting…..

‘Attractive people are less likely to be arrested’

(Known in psychology as the ‘Halo Effect’, a form of cognitive bias first recognised by Thorndike in 1920)
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January 12, 2023 9:25am
- MCōs
  
  I’ve certainly never been arrested.
  My uncle was, but he didn’t have my laughing eyes.
  Also he was caught driving a stolen car.
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:31am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Needless to say I’ve never been arrested either. Heaven forbid!!
    
    Although I have been stopped on a number of occasions and had my particulars taken.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:41am
    - mogg
      
      Never been pulled in by the fuzz?
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:53am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        No…but I bet it hurts 🙁
        
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        January 12, 2023 10:26am
    - Don Beckett
      
      So did you get your particulars returned ? 😉
      
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      January 12, 2023 11:12am
  - mogg
    
    My wife’s grandfather was arrested over the Greymouth beer bombings, he was a miner.
    
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    January 12, 2023 9:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’d never heard of these events:
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/113512298/the-mystery-of-the-1932-greymouth-beer-bombings-may-never-be-solved
      
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      January 12, 2023 1:17pm
      - mogg
        
        What!! it was talk of the town in 1932.
        
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        January 12, 2023 2:28pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

RACISM by Peter Hemmingson
Racism occurs whenever a group of people with an ethnocentric membership base creates or colonises a system to afford themselves separate, different, or superior rights on the basis of group membership.
When brown supremacist part-Maori who have elevated their brown ancestors while turning their white ancestors into a toilet bowl to identify mono-culturally as Maori rave on about racism,
they don’t mean getting rid of any racism that might exist. Just placing it under new management.
Theirs. To muddy the waters, the actual racists have carried out a clever little bait-and-switch.
Black American political economist, Thomas Sowell, identified this process as far back as 1988:
“Sixty years ago, if you believed everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, you were a radical.Thirty years ago, you were a liberal. Today, you’re a racist.”
In point of fact, those who believe in one law for all, colour-blind government, individual equality in citizenship and an end to unearned ethnocentric privilege for brown supremacist part-Maori are the polar opposite of their racist opponents.
If you believe rights belong equally to individuals on the basis of citizenship, not to groups on the basis of group membership, you’re one of the good guys.
And if one of the bad guys calls you ‘racist,’ wear it with pride.The only power these Nimrods have is to slap on a nasty label. That only works if you allow it to
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January 12, 2023 9:32am
Benedict Yu

“In September last year, the telecommunications company revealed it wanted to change its name to One New Zealand to better reflect its legacy here, having separated from the global Vodafone group three years ago.

But a TVNZ spokesperson said TVNZ 1 and One News were reputable and valuable brands, and it was keen to protect them.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/482199/tvnz-files-opposition-claim-against-vodafone-s-one-nz-trademark

“TVNZ 1 and One News were reputable and valuable brands…”

So funny 🙂
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January 12, 2023 9:39am
- Yvette
  
  So, Benedict, why then did Vodafone spend so much on vast landscape size logo parts being shifted and ONE being introduced – only now to abandon it– although the current “one summer” campaign with so many elements to support the ONE image, still runs incessantly on SKY and other channels, like TVNZ One? Don’t they have legal advice?
  
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  January 12, 2023 9:55am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ….but Yvette, thanks to the brilliant summer in the North, it has been One big washout…..!
    
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    January 12, 2023 1:50pm
- graham
  
  “TVNZ 1 and One News were reputable and valuable brands…”
  
  Reputable? In the cossetted, pampered little echo-chamber of a world that they inhabit, maybe; but out in the big wide world, I might just have some bad news for them.
  
  People around the world quite simply don’t trust mainstream news sources these days. The latest Edelman Trust Barometer shows more people trust what they get from search engines (59%) than what “traditional media” serves up (57%).
  
  https://www.edelman.com/trust/2022-trust-barometer
  
  And the news isn’t much better for Governments around the world either …
  
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  January 12, 2023 10:52am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  $1 ?
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:49am
- Jack5
  
  It’s obvious from the trademark complaint that Wily-Willie Jackson wants “One” in the name of Labour’s merged, State radio-TV ~~Pravda~~ broadcaster.
  
  How they insult New Zealanders, it they think they can fool us with cheap marketing ploys.
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:02pm
  - graham
    
    I would have thought the solution was obvious.
    
    Rename “One News” to “Tahi News”. After all, TVNZ are so eager to use the Maori language in the news and weather, this is the obvious next step.
    
    In fact, if they don’t rename it as “Tahi News” I’d say they’re racist.
    
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    January 12, 2023 1:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Tahi Rongo
      
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      January 12, 2023 1:31pm
Sparrow

,”Spare” Nothing will change. Those that love Ginger and Whinger will love them even more. Those that hate them will hate them even more. Cant believe I am writing about this shit !!!!
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January 12, 2023 9:43am
rjay

An Australian has trouble understanding our English. Wait another few years and our pigeon English will be incomprehensible to foreigners.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/01/australian-broadcaster-david-astle-left-flummoxed-by-kiwi-speak.html
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January 12, 2023 9:50am
- MCōs
  
  I worked with people from a variety of countries in in Bangkok.
  We had to talk completely slang free English to the Americans otherwise they didn’t have a clue. Interestingly the Canadian guy had no problem.
  My Thai step son was offered a job at Starbucks because, having lived in NZ for a few years, he could understand our accent. They needed someone who could take orders from Kiwis without hesitation.
  Unfortunately that special gift wasn’t reflected in the renumeration so he turned them down.
  
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  January 12, 2023 10:41am
  - Jack5
    
    The Aussie broadcaster in the South Island lists “bach” for holiday home as an NZ language quirk. Most South Islanders I know say “crib” rather than “bach”.
    
    “Scarfies”, from the university students of NZ with their traditional blue and yellow scarves against biting winter wind, is definitely Otago.
    
    Many of the other differences quoted are brand names.
    
    The Aussie would get a better item about the Woke war in NZ as State TV, State radio, and the State-subsidised newspapers blend Maori and English into NZ Pidgin, and force feed it into citizens.
    
    The use and meaning of “dairy” seems unique to NZ. Is it popular here because it is just two syllables instead of the four in “convenience” for convenience store?
    
    In what was marketed as the national dictionary of Australia, the Macquarie, the listing for “dairy” includes: “2.a shop, or company that sells milk, butter etc. b, NZ – milk bar”.
    
    Under “milk bar”, the Macquarie says “shop, often with an open front, where milk drinks, ice-cream, sandwiches etc are sold.”
    
    “Convenience store” would better suit the modern fact in NZ. Let’s list it in the New Kiwiblog Dictionary:
    
    Noun, NZ — a small building, typically suburban, trading beyond normal business hours; one of the few retailers that still needs stockpiles of old-fashioned cash; and, with a store of extortionately taxed cigarettes, thus caters for ram raiders and hold-up criminals.
    
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    January 12, 2023 11:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Just on tobacco… when the Government drastically reduces the numbers of outlets selling tobacco, New Zealand’s stocks of cigarettes will be concentrated in a smaller number of locations. Won’t that make those locations much more attractive for robbery, as there are likely to be higher stocks of cigarettes than are typically at a dairy today? I wonder if the Government has thought about that effect?
      
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      January 12, 2023 12:19pm
      - Taieri
        
        I wonder if the Government has thought about that effect?
        —————–
        
        Why should the Government think about the effects of its decisions? That’s not what governments are for…
        
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        January 12, 2023 1:34pm
      - MCōs
        
        If a shop wants to sell high prices items I’d have thought it’s not up to the taxpayer to fund their security.
        Dairies have always been prone to smash and grab raids.
        Their problem is of course they are a very low income earner and don’t have the money to spend on flash security.
        
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        January 12, 2023 2:13pm
      - Ghost
        
        Well the dairy owner in our town can sure afford a flash car. I notice he has gone up for sale claiming to make no profit and amazingly his yearly take is the exact same as his rent.
        
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        January 12, 2023 3:21pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        I lived in South Auckland 30years ago – shops all had garage roller doors that were closed after hours. Now that has become the norm through the rest of the city.
        
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        January 12, 2023 5:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do your avian pets answer when you use pigeon English?
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:12am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  maybe a thick broadcaster? – which is a little surprising for an ocker crossword compiler !!
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/by/david-astle-p4yw3m
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:33am
- I remember when
  
  Te Tai-O-Rehua:
  “Our friends across Te Tai-O-Rehua are good at teen dramas and coming-of-age yarns.”
  
  I wonder if our ‘friends’ even realise we are referring to them.
  
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  January 12, 2023 1:12pm
Maggie Pie

And I see where Jeff Bezos has named his new $billion boat ‘KORU’
Jeff says it’s an indigenous Maori word meaning….”new beginnings”

An opportunity for MahootaCorp to make a few bucks perhaps?
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January 12, 2023 9:58am
- JerJer
  
  Some Māori advisors now think he has taken on board some Māori world view. They even think they will be there to bless it!
  
  More likely he has been to the Koru club and liked the name and it’s nothing more than that.
  
  I’m surprised the usual idiots are not up in arms that he didn’t ‘consult’ with them before using their word.
  
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  January 12, 2023 3:08pm
  - Jack5
    
    I put “koru” into Google Translate and it came up with “you” in English, with a footnote, “translate from Croatian”. Google Translates Croatian “koru” as “bark”, presumably in the tree sense.
    
    In the Maori online dictionary, Te Aka, “koru” was translated as “folded, looped coiled”, or a spiral motif; or, “Colensoa physaloides – a shrubby plant found in shady areas and stream banks in Northland and on northern offshore islands.”
    
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    January 12, 2023 5:51pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3cVhe-waAjo/

A Nightmare for Democrats?

There’s lots of J6 video that hasn’t been released yet. It will reverse the narrative. Will Dems need a night light to get a decent night’s sleep?
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January 12, 2023 10:01am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr54sudowuo

Is The Philippines’ New President Caving to China?

The Philippines elected Ferdinand Marcos Jr. in the spring of 2022, and some hoped this would usher in a new era of the Filipino-China relations, specifically the Philippines sticking up for itself in the South China Sea. However those hopes have been dashed after Marcos Jr’s recent visit to Beijing. In this episode of China Uncensored, we talk about the Philippines’ history with China, what came out of the meeting in Beijing, and why the deals the two countries struck aren’t what they seem.
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January 12, 2023 10:01am
Loddenthinks

It will come as no surprise that the impossibly-woke $1uffed refers to Sam Smith, the equally-woke male English ~~sook~~ singer-songwriter as “they” throughout a paid-for puff-piece spruiking his tour later this year.

Within a very short time of posting the article, comments have been closed with just one allowed through by the ~~Pravda censors~~ moderators. I wonder why.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/gig-reviews/300782009/soulful-sam-smith-stuns-transtasman-crowd-into-silence-after-nz-concert-announcement#comments
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January 12, 2023 10:25am
- Taieri
  
  “They have struggled with body image issues since their preteen years and have been open about this in interviews”
  
  I’d say that “they” struggle with far more than just “their” body image issues…
  
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  January 12, 2023 1:40pm
Surely Knott

Where’s Batman? North shore doc? Pharma girl? At the beginning of the pandemic they were all very certain and pro covid vax. I’m interested to know if their position is still the same.
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January 12, 2023 10:46am
- Matt Long
  
  Be interesting what the other two say, but Batty has a mind inflexibly made up.
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:27pm
- Phronesis
  
  Pharma girl was quite easily identifiable from her posts. She didn’t work in New Zealand but I suspect she got cold feet over potentially being cancelled if the connection was made by her current or future employer. This is the world we live in.
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:51pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Shame re. Pharmachick. She contributed a lot of expertise & good sense to the blog. But, IIRC, she got the hump with one or two of the resident trolls.
    
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    January 12, 2023 7:20pm
- Bridgenag
  
  weren’t they all versions of the mmmmmms
  
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  January 12, 2023 1:03pm
Surely Knott

Man enters police station in a panic and is asked for his name and details. Conclusion …RACISM…apparently white people wouldn’t be asked for their name at the police station. Wtf?!

No mention of the race of supposed gunman.

Herald reports,
“He drove to the Counties Manukau Police Station, parked and rushed inside asking to speak to an officer urgently, but said the front counter staff were asking him for his name and other details first.

“I’m an Indian, I think it’s a racist thing going on,” he said.

“Let’s say a white person goes in and said ‘I have seen a gun’, do you think they will ask stupid questions?””
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January 12, 2023 11:02am
- Ghost
  
  Parked up for 20 minutes yesterday after an accident ahead of us waiting for the road to be cleared. Cop came over talking away asked our names, then started addressing us by name, had a good talk to him. I realize now he wanted our names because we were white and it was racist…..
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:09am
Jack5

The Immigration and Protection Tribunal continues its undermining of our border system with its Woke decisions.

It is recommending, reports Stuff, a convicted fraudster, who came to the country on a false passport and lived for decades under a false name, be allowed to stay in the country.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130946162/woman-stayed-in-nz-unlawfully-for-30-years-after-arriving-on-false-passport

For those interested in the Tribunal’s membership;

https://www.justice.govt.nz/tribunals/immigration/immigration-and-protection/
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January 12, 2023 11:07am
Maggie Pie

Just been drying my hair and listening to 1ZB about being on a Jury.

Honestly, by the sound of most people calling in, you wouldn’t let them on a BUS…. let alone a Jury!
Talk about no-hopers!!

Interestingly, my partner or me have never even been called for Jury Service.
What does that tell you?
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January 12, 2023 11:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The first time I got called for Jury service I was in my 30s. Wore my usual work clothes (suit, tie) and the lawyer defending the little scrote objected to me (predictable) and that was the end of that.
  Been called several times since and managed to get out of it. Waste of my time.
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:21am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’d probably be like me Cap….’guilty’ until proven otherwise.
    
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    January 12, 2023 11:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    At least you were prepared to do your civic duty by leading the Walmington-on-sea platoon.
    
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    January 12, 2023 12:51pm
  - MCōs
    
    I was called up for jury service.
    There were, from memory, six defendants in a murder/manslaughter case so a lot of challenges.
    I wore a jacket and tie and knew by observing who was being challenged that I wouldn’t.
    Sure enough.
    I was the last one selected after all the slobs had been rejected.
    
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    January 12, 2023 2:32pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Perhaps you have a gullible face?
      
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      January 12, 2023 7:26pm
- rouppe
  
  I was called for jury service something like 6 times in 10 years during a period starting about 2005. No one around be was called even once. 1 high court, about 3 District Court and 2 not selected. One time the jury was empanelled, we went off to choose a foreman, came out and they pled guilty. Waste of time.
  
  I didn’t really care, my employer paid me anyway.
  
  After the 6th time I wrote to the MoJ and said why have I been called so often while others around me never have?
  
  I didn’t really get an answer but they must have put a block on my name cause I haven’t been called since.
  
  Now that I’m a contractor I don’t want to be called, too expensive to take a week off.
  
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  January 12, 2023 3:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ukraine, Iran, and the UK?https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-calls-for-fbi-to-raid-bidens-homes-after-classified-documents-discovered-in-his-office/
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January 12, 2023 11:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  AG Merrick Garland is involved?
  Here comes the cover up
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:12am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    [Mod – you can stop your trolling now]
    
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    January 12, 2023 11:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      AFAIK, asking my friend Steve about the progress of related US investigations of alleged corruption in the justice department and FBI should be okay, David.
      
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      January 12, 2023 12:53pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
      
      If trolling isn’t permitted, why hasn’t this self-confessed troll not been banned already? He adds nothing to the discourse.
      
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      January 12, 2023 2:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike is clever and has a lot of knowledge to share. This is liked and I uptick him.
        However, Mike’s mood changes and he starts behaving like a 10 year old shit.
        I really wish he didn’t.
        
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        January 12, 2023 5:03pm
      - Mike
        
        Thanks Steve. I look forward to ISeeRed checking lots of other comments against the policy, which has of course been followed much better since DPF introduced moderation after the mosque attacks.
        
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        January 12, 2023 6:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rule Number one.
We don’t talk about the died suddenly club.

The Media.
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January 12, 2023 11:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Safe and effective” has become “sudden and unexpected.”
  
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  January 12, 2023 11:16am
  - mawm
    
    Those who were mandated/forced into taking the shot need our sympathy. Imagine walking around wondering if you have a time-bomb in your chest.
    
    OTOH those who pushed the vaxx or derided those who did not want it deserve none.
    
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    January 12, 2023 2:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Basically Mad.
https://rumble.com/v24w4x0-lol-basic-biology-causes-liberal-college-students-to-go-apoplectic.html
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January 12, 2023 11:21am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sad and dangerous brainwashing. Only political leaders with the spinal fortitude to root out this brainwashing (like DeSantis is) will fix this insanity. Fence sitters and those going with the flow need not apply.
  
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  January 12, 2023 7:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot.
Is the Border secure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk5VRU-TMRk
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January 12, 2023 11:47am
Rusty

Talking about inaccuracies in Harrys book it reminds me of a stupid inaccuracy Hilary Clinton made.

She claimed she was named after Sir Edmund Hilary after he climbed Mt Everest in 1953.

The problem is she was born in 1946.
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January 12, 2023 11:50am
- Blog-aholic
  
  She is Hilarious.
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:08pm
- Nickc2
  
  That’s like her claim about being met by gunfire on arrival in Afghanistan. There was no gunfire whatsoever. I think she’s been tarred with a touch of the Bidens eh?
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think that was a story about travelling to Bosnia. Probably didn’t get to Afghanistan due to bone spurs.
    
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    January 12, 2023 12:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Have you never known a woman to tell little white lies about her age?
  
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  January 12, 2023 7:29pm
  - MCōs
    
    No
    
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    January 12, 2023 8:46pm
Maggie Pie

What a total embarrassment the ASB CLASSIC has turned out to be 🙁

Mind you, I predicted it here about 2 years ago when Budgie resigned.
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January 12, 2023 12:52pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  If Budgie can control the weather, get him back stat!
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:55pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Mr Budge – Climate Controller.
    
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    January 12, 2023 1:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But that’s the thing Loddz…..
    Karl spent the best part a decade battling our left-leaning Mayors and Councils for financial backing and Consents to build a new international style Tennis Stadium with a retractable roof.
    So yes, he could have controlled the weather.
    
    Biggest problem was coming up against arsehats like Len Brown who had more important things on the table….and of course Phil Goff, who was more interested in funding things like the Auckland ‘KIWIFIST’ event.
    
    We’re the laughing stock of the tennis world!
    
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    January 12, 2023 1:25pm
    - MCōs
      
      Here’s an article regarding a recent upgrade to the main court and plans for a retractable roof.
      NB
      Auckland also needs a dedicated cricket ground.
      Christchurch needs a rugby stadium.
      Everywhere needs new hospitals, infrastructure, this that and the next thing.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111217705/council-approves-55m-upgrade-for-asb-tennis-arena
      
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      January 12, 2023 8:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The untold story of Elon Musk. Hope it works.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=5364177567021534
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January 12, 2023 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yup, it does. Enjoy.
  
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  January 12, 2023 1:14pm
Philview

Prince Harry has triggered a bit of debate about unconscious bias this week. It seems a creepy development that people can be tested for unknown biases. A strange world we live in now.
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January 12, 2023 1:23pm
- rouppe
  
  The thing is, we have no knowledge of the actual comment or the context in which it was said.
  
  What if the person said “do you think the baby will have lovely olive skin like yours, or be pasty like Harry?”
  
  That’s a question about the baby’s skin colour. Which with clever omission and removal of context becomes “a question about skin colour” which when the relationship breaks down becomes “a concerning question about how dark the baby will be” which Oprah dutifully enhances with a big “whaaaaat?”
  
  I don’t know, maybe someone did say “I hope it doesn’t come out dark” but given the back pedaling Harry is doing, and the silence from Meghan, it’s just as believable that there was zero malice
  
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  January 12, 2023 3:15pm
  - Ghost
    
    Looking at the two of them the comment could be just another made up comment to try and get public sympathy and support. It’s going to be one messy lie filled divorce
    
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    January 12, 2023 3:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Money Ghost, Harkle is milking this big time.
      She will never have to work again, wait, did she ever work?
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:09pm
Ghost

Damn

A Kiwi woman posed as a doctor in the United Kingdom for nearly two decades, taking about $2 million from British taxpayers, a court has heard.

Zholia Alemi has been described as the “most accomplished fraudster” by the prosecutor, according to the Guardian.

Alemi faces 20 charges, including forgery and fraud, and faces a jury trial at the Manchester Crown Court.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300783050/fake-kiwi-doctor-practised-in-the-uk-for-19-years-court-hears
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January 12, 2023 2:00pm
- ISeeRed
  
  A “Kiwi” woman…called “Zholia Alemi”…born in Iran in 1962 and married a real Kiwi in 1987.
  
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  January 12, 2023 2:04pm
- rouppe
  
  To be clear, she was posing as a psychiatrist, and you can get away with a lot by asking “and how does that make you feel“?
  
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  January 12, 2023 3:09pm
  - Ghost
    
    *shivers* that sounded like Jacinda for a minute
    
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    January 12, 2023 3:10pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Is Jaspinda in the room right now?
      
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      January 12, 2023 5:12pm
- peterwn
  
  I suspect that employers and Medical Councils check qualifications more carefully nowadays.
  
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  January 12, 2023 3:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, but why? NZ needs Health workers desperately.
    
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    January 12, 2023 5:13pm
  - Ghost
    
    We hope they do now
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fake-middlemore-doctor-pleads-guilty-to-raft-of-new-charges/CJ654SSQM5DGBAKD3D33O3LKOA/
    
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    January 12, 2023 5:18pm
  - Keith White
    
    The Medical Council reserves careful checking for doctors who do not agree with its destruction of the doctrines of bodily autonomy and informed consent in the Covid jab context.
    
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    January 14, 2023 3:47am
Swifty

I say again that Christopher Luxon would be well advised to add a bit of the Macho Man to his persona this year, men would want to be him, women would throw themselves at him and his Preferred PM numbers would go through the roof!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CB1cV1j0zeA
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January 12, 2023 2:04pm
- Swifty
  
  He needs to tell all those pukesters out there that Jacindamania is dead!!!!
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nG71K9VC0U0
  
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  January 12, 2023 2:09pm
Maggie Pie

Reason #69: Always carry oven-spray in Fannypack while out jogging.

https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1613284565686292480
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January 12, 2023 2:25pm
- mogg
  
  Forget the oven spray, under those circumstances in USA she is allowed to shoot first and ask questions later.
  Jeff Beck of the Yardbirds is dead at 78 yrs, just last year he was touring with Johnny Depp after the Amber Herd trial.
  
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  January 12, 2023 2:52pm
  - Rusty
    
    @ mogg
    Sad hearing about Jeff Beck. If I remember right he replaced Eric Clapton in the Yardbirds and was doing all that wild guitar feedback before Jimi Hendrix and Cream.
    
    Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood got their big breaks in the Jeff Beck Group.
    
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    January 12, 2023 4:48pm
    - mogg
      
      Spot on.
      
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      January 12, 2023 6:33pm
Alex

McCos re comment on Brasília yesterday, those arrested were the peaceful ones in their tents near army, not the ones breaking into Supreme Court etc. 1500 arrested about 300 here, there is a similarity. Agent provocateurs here. And White House. FBI plants not arrested.
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January 12, 2023 2:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Whitehouse pressured Facebook to censor. Breach of 1st Amendment. Same in NZ. “Safe and effective”
https://leadpatriot.com/carlson-loses-it-after-bombshell-lawsuit-reveals-major-wh-coverup-of-vax-complications/20714/
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January 12, 2023 2:59pm
Whare Potahau

Hard to get road to zero when heavier electric vehicles involved in car accidents.

See issue raised in US by National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy.

“I’m concerned about the increased risk of severe injury and death for all road users from heavier curb weights and increasing size, power, and performance of vehicles on our roads, including electric vehicles,” Homendy said.

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20230111A.aspx

Has the government here considered this in their rush to subsidise electric vehicles that pay no part in supporting roading infrastructure.
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January 12, 2023 4:11pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300783393/king-the-most-declined-name-in-nz-for-14th-year-in-a-row
“A total of 13 new names were included on the declined list this year. Among these names are Biship, King-Kelly, Rhoyal, Saynt and Hosea-King.”

Biship Mahuta ?
King-Kelly Mahuta ?
Rhoyal Mahuta ?
Saynt Mahuta ?
Hosea-King Jackson ?
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January 12, 2023 4:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A nine-year-old was robbing a Service Station at 7am this morning.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/01/12/9-year-old-among-12-arrested-over-waikato-petrol-station-robbery/
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January 12, 2023 5:19pm
- Ghost
  
  At least it was just robbery, a 6 year shot his teacher in the USA
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/10/virginia-shooting-no-fight-or-warning-before-six-year-old-boy-shot-teacher-say-police
  
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  January 12, 2023 5:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s the school holidays, so at least there’s no truancy involved
  
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  January 12, 2023 7:32pm
Ghost

If true, what a sick bastard

Text emerges revealing what Andrew Tate reportedly told woman who accused him of rape

The text messages supplied to Vice include an exchange that took place after the alleged sexual assault. In the message, Tate allegedly wrote, “I love raping you”.

In another message, Tate allegedly said: “Monsters are monsters. When ur under my control, I do whatever I please.”

In a voice note published by VICE, a man it identified as Tate asked: “Am I a bad person? Because the more you didn’t like it, the more I enjoyed it. I f***ing loved how much you hated it. It turned me on. Why am I like that?”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/01/text-emerges-revealing-what-andrew-tate-reportedly-told-woman-who-accused-him-of-rape.html
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January 12, 2023 5:53pm
Alan Wilkinson

Good on Cricket Australia for telling the Afghan Taliban to f.o. back to their caves until they let their women play sport and get educated.
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