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mikenmildagain

We must be overdue to talk about another entertaining member of the church pantheon, so Happy St Vitalis’s Day!
Vitalis looked up the name and address of every prostitute in Alexandra! He then visited one prostitute each day to teach her about dignity and value as a woman. Eventually a man misunderstood the reason for Vitalis’s visit to a brothel, struck him on the head and killed him.
Vitalis is the patron saint of day laborers and prostitutes.
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January 11, 2023 8:02am
- washo
  
  Alexandra?
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:22am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Alexandria, of course. so sorry about that typo.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:36am
- Jack5
  
  St Vitalus was followed in his mission to reform prostitutes by the British Prime Minister, W.E. Gladstone, who patrolled the streets at night in his sideline work.
  
  Gladstone was Britain’s longest-serving Prime Minister. He held that office for 12 years in terms between 1868 and 1894.
  
  An interesting bloke, Gladstone was a scholar of Ancient Greek literature and language, and began a philosophy debate that continues on how we form concepts of colour.
  
  A sympathetic account of Gladstone’s sideline with ladies of the night:
  
  https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1966/10/06/gladstones-prostitutes-2/
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:25am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  mike, I somehow doubt he looked up any prostitutes in Alexandra. Bit far away from him I’d say, and ahead of his time. And there was more than one Vitalis. I’ve seen depictions of one in a Basilica in Ravenna, Italy and in Venice.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:36am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    About a dozen or so. To be clearer, it was St Vitalis of Gaza whose feast is today and provides the ongoing patronage of prostitutes.
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:33am
- Cassandra
  
  Very interesting, mike, demonstrates sainthood is largely bollocks, a bit like honours eg “Services to Maori”. What does that mean? Can you get a gong for services to European?
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:36am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Never seen one of those Cass. What about services to people who go to the pub a lot? Sort of Monty Pythonish… In fact, a gong for services to people who put things on top of other things….
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:35am
- Matt Long
  
  Hi Mike, it appears from the outside you may be projecting your own congress with prostitutes on someone you know little about?
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:47am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Wikipedia is his friend; then he changes the story to suit his own agenda.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:06am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It would be a bit of a tedious read if all of the details of the myth were included.
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:37am
      - Andrew S
        
        @Mike. I’m assuming that you’re a labour/Green fan? Nothing wrong with that, diversity of thought blah blah blah.
        
        What are your thoughts on feminism especially regarding charities from Africa on TV ads that show fatherless children and babies pleading for donations from ‘typical’ western societies as their father’s/fathers’ leave their brood?
        
        Are you in the same camp as David Cunliffe that’s sorry for being a man?
        
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        January 11, 2023 1:19pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I don’t give to any charities such as you describe.
        
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        January 11, 2023 2:15pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It’s known that lefties are far less charitable towards those less fortunate than those on the right of them.
        
        Lefties tend to give to posers and virtue signalers instead.
        
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        January 11, 2023 7:23pm
Albert_Ross

Dear God, this is profoundly depressing. Nothing at all about constraining costs, vague aspirations about things that aren’t actually the Council’s business, no specific undertakings. And in three years’ time she’ll be able to say triumphantly that she achieved everything she said she would

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ny-wishes-tory-whanau
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January 11, 2023 8:11am
- Yabster
  
  they voted for her- so reap it Wellingtonians- what a shit show!
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:28am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Bear in mind that most Wellingtonians didn’t vote for Tory
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:44am
    - pdm
      
      Bollocks – true.
      
      Some of them voted for Jacindas choice – Paul Eagle.
      
      Fourth on the night and promoted to third after Specials.
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:23am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Ardern was the kids of death, he refuse to assign the Labour name to his attempt
        
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        January 11, 2023 10:47am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Yes they did. Under STV [PV], she wouldn’t have won, otherwise.
      
      Tory Whanau was a decisive winner last October. Some detail, for your information: She received 30,656 first preference votes (FPs), being 42.56% of the 72,025 valid votes cast (9 candidates), and finished with 34,462 (52.40%) of the 65,762 votes remaining in the election. Paul Eagle received 11,935 FPs (16.57%), incumbent mayor Andy Foster received 11,835 FPs (16.43%), and Ray Chung received 10,383 FPs (14.42%).
      
      A total of 6,263 votes (8.70%) dropped out of the election during the count. Andy Foster (1st runner-up) finished with 16,711 votes (25.41%), and Paul Eagle (2nd runner-up) with 14,589 (22.18%).
      
      (It is also worth noting that Whanau increased her share of the valid first-preference votes from the Progress result (40.85% – 24,275 / 59,422), to the Preliminary count (41.33% – 28,456 / 68,851), to the Final result (42.56% – 30,656 / 72,025), whereas the percentage vote-share for each of Eagle, Foster and Chung reduced for the three of them through both the Preliminary count and the Final result.)
      
      The last time (in the STV era) that a candidate won so easily (whereby the votes of the second runner-up candidate did not need to be transferred), was in 2007, when incumbent mayor Kerry Prendergast received 17,910 (34.89%) of the 51,328 valid votes cast (11 candidates), and finished with 21,868 (50.98%) of the 42,892 votes remaining in the election. A total of 8,436 votes (16.44%) dropped out of the election during the count. Ray Ahipene-Mercer (1st runner-up) finished 10,899 votes (25.41%), and Bryan Pepperell (2nd runner-up) with 10,125 (23.61%).
      
      I think it has to be said that, given that Whanau beat the incumbent, and a local MP, Whanau’s huge victory is nothing short of astonishing. It clearly surpasses that of Prendergast in 2007, which, in itself, was a very comprehensive win.
      
      Just to conclude, Kerry Prendergast won the mayoralty in 2001 (FPP) with 34.24% of the votes, and in 2004 and 2007 (STV) with 42.39% and 34.89% of the FPs, respectively. In 2010, she lost to Celia Wade-Brown after topping the poll with 40.86% of FPs. So, by your reckoning, most Wellingtonians never voted for her, either.
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:08am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Of course, most eligible voters did not vote at all
        
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        January 11, 2023 6:15pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        They never do. So what?
        
        As is always the case, it’s only those who vote that matter.
        
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        January 11, 2023 6:58pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes a total shit show. They brought it on themselves.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:02am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Yeah, but they also brought it on me.
      
      What’s Nelson like?
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Doesn’t seem to be any ‘new’ ideas, but lots of ‘working alongside’ types of things.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:33am
- David Lenny
  
  Don’t worry, Albert. She will be “ensuring there are plenty of fun events and activities on offer”, doubtless including daily performances of Aesop’s fable of the ant and the grasshopper to engage and educate prospective 16 year old voters.
  
  Ratepayers will be delighted to support the bread and circuses of such a liveable city.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:40am
- Jimbob
  
  I used to subscribe to newsroom, what a lefty spew of crap.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:07am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not a single word on value creation
  
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  January 11, 2023 6:16pm
- gtdriver
  
  Bloody awful alright. Wellington will become [if it’s not already there] a satellite city of NZ that is so far up itself, it will become a failure at every turn.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:14pm
rouppe

Why the Covid Christmas curve may have been accidentally flattened

Keith Lynch forgot to mention that the main reason might be because the models are rubbish
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January 11, 2023 8:12am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I would speculate the more likely reason for the curve flattening is that people were reluctant to test over the holiday period, lest they tested positive and had to isolate.
  
  Conversely, there’s likely to be a spike in new infections as people return to work, making the spectre of a few days in isolation on paid sick leave less punitive!
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:29am
  - cas
    
    We haven’t tested ourselves ever.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:35am
  - G152
    
    But they’ve brought back the old Ozone layer claims just to keep us in line
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:59am
    - rouppe
      
      Yes that repair to the antarctic will actually be pretty close to 100 years. If it happens.
      
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      January 11, 2023 3:35pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        As soon as I heard about that I guessed what they would do with it. Despite the fact there’s no “climate crisis” and nothing man has ever done, or could ever do, would influence the climate in the slightest, they have now managed to make a case.
        
        Their logic is:
        
        1. There was a massive and growing hole in the ozone layer, which has a serious impact on people underneath it (us and Aussie mostly but there are others).
        
        2. They discovered that CFCs were causing the hole or at least contributing to it.
        
        3. They banned CFCs some 40 odd years ago, at least in most countries (197).
        
        4. They now believe the ozone hole is getting smaller, and think in several decades time it will close.
        
        5. Ergo, taking action to reduce or ban something (CO2) will fix the “climate crisis”.
        
        Straw man non-sequitur bullshit, right there.
        
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        January 11, 2023 7:33pm
- Pavel
  
  I had a good laugh at this article to. Here’s a thought for the fearmongers in the MSM; throughout my life I’ve had the sniffles, colds, flus, bronchitis etc and never once have I ever even gone to a doctor let alone tested myself to see what it is so why would I with covid? These journalists need to understand that most people don’t care about it anymore than they would a flu especially considering its in the same boat as one. It’s time for journalists to move on and find something else to report on that people are interested in, scrutinizing politicians would be a good bet.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:52am
  - Bob
    
    Factually accurate reporting of any NEWs would be a good New Years challenge for our journalists!
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:42am
  - Random T Person
    
    Correct. Pretty sure we had the special cold in early December, but nobody tested, nobody isolated. I did stay away from my neighbour’s visiting (from the UK) father just because the man is aged and on holiday and any flu would be unnecessarily unpleasant, but beyond that it was ‘business as usual when you have the sniffles’.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:42am
- 103PapPap
  
  “Wankers with Spreadsheets” is how I describe these people.
  Anyone who really thinks you can predict human or world behaviour using mathematical models is seriously deluded.
  In the 1960’s there was a group of prominent intellectuals called “The Club of Rome”, who used mathematical theories to predict worldly outcomes.
  All BS, and now totally forgotten.
  So you can give your spreadsheet a fancy name (Predictive Modelling for example), or just refer to “the models”, but it is still maths predicting human behaviour.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:53am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, journalism in this country is a goneburger. Even the local news is distorted – but have we heard in the local news – TV, radio, newspapers – about the civil war in Mexico between the govt. & the drug cartels? Have we heard the true story about the war in Ukraine that Russia is losing? Have we heard any truth about the stolen election in Brasil where the so called winning president is a criminal (Biden sent the FBI or CIA to Brasil a few months before the election to train the electoral dept.) and Bolsanaro is the one mounting the “rebellion” while he is in hopital in Florida?
    Gaslighting is now the norm with most of the media, including a large chunk of the international media.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:19am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Good on you for sticking up for a wannabe Latin Amercian dictator.
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:40am
      - Don Beckett
        
        What do you mean? They’ve got one now, and a criminal to boot, funded & and empowered by China, whose system of Communism he wishes to emulate.
        
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        January 11, 2023 11:23am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Next you might be claiming that the CIA (or FBI – you didn’t seem to be sure which) was in Brazil at the direction of the CCP.
        Even Bolsonaro, reluctantly, accepted that he had no prospect of overturning the voters’ choice on a whim, as the courts and military would not go along with it.
        
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        January 11, 2023 11:29am
    - Paulus
      
      Accoring to our $55 million propaganda media we are told that the situation in Brasil was all the responsibilty of Trump – he disguised himself as Bolsinaro.
      Still Trump syndrome on our paid media.
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:35am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Trump has been painted as Hitler/Satan by the corrupt weirdos in the MSM. The lefty loons have lapped all that up. So being Satan, he is the inspiration for all things nasty.
        
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        January 11, 2023 7:31pm
    - Risi
      
      Have we heard the true story about the war in Ukraine that Russia is losing?
      
      Yes. I read news stories about the war in NZ media regularly. Although now that I write that I realise you may mean something different to me with regards to what is “true”
      
      Have we heard any truth about the stolen election in Brasil
      
      I prefer it if responsible media don’t promote baseless conspiracy theories. I’m no fan of Lulu but Bolsanaro was worst. I don’t think people who praise brutal and oppresive military dictatorships make good leaders.
      
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      January 11, 2023 3:14pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  rouppe – never mind the “curves” and the models. With every passing day this is looking increasingly like the most disastrous medical disaster in history.
  
  UK age stratified all cause death data shows higher deaths associated with covid vaccination
  at this point, this looks like about as clear a signal as one could find. release the rest of this data.
  
  cliff notes:
  
  one must assess full risk/reward to accurately gauge a medical intervention
  
  this bar is especially high for vaccines given to the healthy
  
  by may 2022 having ever taken a covid vaxx was associated with 22-74% greater all cause mortality vs being unvaccinated and this was true in ALL age stratifications.
  
  risk rates were still rising when publication of this data series was discontinued and could well be higher now
  
  some benefit against “death by covid” was still in evidence but was rapidly diminishing and was clearly either being miscounted or swamped by some other form of mortality.
  
  this implies deeply negative overall risk/reward from covid vaccines and raises pointed questions about their continued promotion and the processes by which they were approved. there was no age group in which they were associated with overall mortality benefit.
  
  Feel free to read the rest of the analysis from the excellent el gato malo.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/uk-age-stratified-all-cause-death
  
  There are a lot of data, if you are going to criticise or come back with some snide remark about the grammar, be prepared to have something resembling a counter point based on science or you will look like a total dick.
  
  we cannot unring this bell, but we can at least secure the clapper and prevent further damage. these products have looked problematic from the very beginning and really should have been pulled the minute we saw they were non-sterilizing. leaky vaccines are very dangerous and to spread them this widely so quickly really puts us off the edge of the map in terms of what comes next.
  
  herd level antigenic fixation is not something humanity has ever grappled with before and that could be with us for a long time.
  
  Warned about in March last year.
  
  homogenizing herd level antigenic fixation
  why covid vaccine driven OAS may be much more dangerous than what we have seen in flu
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/homogenizing-herd-level-antigenic?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web
  
  This disaster is not happening because of the virus. It has all been caused by people. From the creation of the virus itself to the moronic and inexplicable interventions by governments around the world bar a couple of notable exceptions, Sweden being the obvious one.
  
  The next job is going to be determining if this was deliberate and identifying the key players behind it. This is a fuck up on a colossal scale.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:49am
Tomtoddy

Climate catastrophists and their lapdog media went into hysterics over a 1 in 20 year event whipping up anxiety. Yes, a lot of rain, some flooding, a few slips and inconvenience but nothing to warrant the endless ‘fearporn’.
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January 11, 2023 8:13am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Once Maori own the water will they be responsible for cleaning up the mess cyclones make?
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    Maggie Nanaia would have ensured that.
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:21am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    They can’t get anyone away from their fried chicken, and wifi to fix the Waikaremoana Track let alone sort flood damage Maggie. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:38am
    - pdm
      
      Not fair IVV.
      
      They are getting those annoying huts pulled/burned down at a rate of knots.
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:26am
  - Bob
    
    No! That will be put down to ‘nine years of neglect’
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No way! That is the Government’s job
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:46am
  - G152
    
    And pay to repair any damage done by water…. I have a bridge for sale spans at least one water
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:02am
- Opie
  
  Problem is the media are mostly young panickers with no life experience so are genuinely terrified when these things happen.
  
  I remember news reports around this time of the year regularly with stormss and flooding throughout the upper north and gisborne.
  
  Nothing new happening at all.
  
  News by idiots for idiots.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:29am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Cyclone Bola in 1988 was a real storm compared to the current weather events. East Cape still carry’s the scars
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:56am
  - kowtow
    
    That takes us back to yesterday’s discussion of the freedom protest at parliament .
    
    While all the young ‘uns obeyed Nero’s instructions and viewed the filth from the imperial balconies only Barry Soper got down with the real people and produced real news from the ground . The rest of them simply repeated the regime propaganda.
    
    To their everlasting shame .
    
    That’s how a democracy can die . When the guardians become custodians .
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We had 105mm rain overnight (from about 5pm-3am), but without much wind.
  
  Apart from some light scouring down our gravel driveway – no damage.
  
  Rest of the neighbourhood is quiet… usually there’s chainsaws going when a decent storm has hit us on Kaiti Hill.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:37am
  - Ghost
    
    It doesn’t matter if this storm didn’t live up to the hype Maggy, all that matters is they said how bad it will be and it was climate change.
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:42am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Interesting that even as late as yesterday Met were referring to the low as “Cyclone Hale”, although they were sticking to the correct descriptor in their Marine warnings. Suspect their neighboring peers (BOM, RSMC Nadi) might be having a word to them about not “muddying the waters” with their communications standards.
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I know. Some article yesterday blaming the rain in the North Island on climate change.
  
  NIWA has a good database of notable New Zealand weather events going back to the late 19th century. I have read the whole thing. Many of the weather events of 100 years ago were epic, destructive and deadly.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:05am
  - Cassandra
    
    It wasn’t even heavy rain in Tauranga, just a good wetting for the lawn and garden.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:25am
  - hullkiwi
    
    BY, yes. However, Brandelino, NIWA’s Chief Weather Scientist continues to pedal a false narrative. As recently as Friday, he was pedalling mythology that the current wet summer is sub-tropical climate change that will affect more of the North Island. In saying that, he (& NIWA) are failing to reference past weather events, including wet summers that occur every 7 to 10 years because of La Nina events which follow El Nino weather events.
    
    I might add in September he was predicting a dry spring & summer. This because the temperature in northern Tasman was higher than average. After the wet spring, he doubled down on the dry summer. Events have shown him & NIWA to be wrong. What is striking is that Branelino & his NIWA colleagues do not appear to reference any of the historic data available to them and correlate current data with weather patterns of the past.
    
    Clearly, they are too busy pursuing an agenda, rather than understanding and prepare forecasts that is based on analysed evidence.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:32am
    - Jimbob
      
      You are right, they have all the resources they need, but the government tells them the narrative to follow. Very disappointing.
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:11am
      - crikey
        
        Jimbob: It’s not at all surprising what people can say and do when their continuing employment depends on government funding. The purity of scientific endeavour has long been compromised in the ‘climate change sphere’.
        
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        January 11, 2023 1:31pm
      - JJ56
        
        Jimbob I fear you misunderstand the game, the more the perceived risk the more funding they need.
        
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        January 11, 2023 7:43pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It’s good media where saying one in 20 year event, rather than this pathetic one in 500 years bullshit, I also heard on the news not as bad as Bola which was a direct hit from that cyclone
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:56am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Bola hit the East Coast, and then cut a path across country to South Taranaki.
        
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        January 11, 2023 1:46pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, I remember the floods in and around Ashburton last year, they said worst in 500 or some crap, older farmers saying this is the worst they had seen since the 60s, and blamed rivers which had not been maintained with trees growing in the middle
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:53am
  - cmm
    
    You can’t get employed by NIWA if you’re not an activist.
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:37pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Some of the impact of the weather arises from human activities, eg building on floodplains, clear felling pine forests while leaving slash near streams etc.
    
    There are more people in NZ than there used to be.
    
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    January 11, 2023 6:26pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  This quote re journalism:
  
  “If someone says it’s raining, and another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the fucking window and find out which is true.”
  
  Most of those working in NZ mainstream media cut and paste from the likes of AP or the other media aggregators.
  
  Totes reliable sources//
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, look at Rangitoto Island in the gulf.
    If you can see it, then rain is coming.
    If you can’t see Rangitoto, it is raining.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:54am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Like Taranaki – if you can see the mountain, it’s going to rain, etc.
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Like the Irish weather rock tied to a string and hanging outside the window. If it’s wet it’s raining, if it’s dry it’s fine, if it’s moving it’s windy.
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:11am
  - Ehlana
    
    Or at least go pet the cat – if it’s inside and wet, it’s raining outside.
    
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    January 11, 2023 2:29pm
- Bob
  
  but it does SELL print, and increase listening ratings, for advertising revenue.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:43am
- NZer In Exile
  
  NOTHING in the written historical record and nothing in the numerous proxies (treeline altitudes, ocean floor glacial iceberg derived stone deposits, ice core records, forest fire charcoal deposits, isotope deposits and so on) indicate that floods, fires, glacier retreat. temperatures, temp increase rates, sea level rise rates, storms, hurricanes etc etc are at all “unprecedented”. The climate emergency is a dangerous crock of shit being pushed by grifters.
  
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  January 11, 2023 7:38pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go “hmmm”….

Certainly makes you wonder what compromising material the WEF might have on any of our MPs to keep them ‘in check’?

https://newspunch.com/trudeaus-brother-says-wef-has-compromising-material-on-him-that-keeps-him-in-check/
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January 11, 2023 8:15am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t Muldoon hava a signed resignation of everyone of the National Party MPs, and the Whips knew everything that went on outside Parliament ?
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never saw evidence, but I think Muldoon said it on TV.
    Pretty sure Clark did as well.
    Jaspinda? Prob not. If an MP does something wrong just assign them another helper.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:02am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think it might have been Holyoake who required each minister to give him an undated resignation letter.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:42am
    - MCōs
      
      That just about cover everyone.
      J Edgar Hoover kept dossiers on everyone as protection for himself and managed to stay in the role forever.
      Any job I ever had they just said we’re going through a period of entrenchment due to the recession and we have no work for you blokes. This would be followed a couple of months later by a phone call to see what I was doing when I got back from Phuket.
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:15am
- Simon
  
  Is the WEF a serious organization? It seems just like networking for wankers.
  
  The UN is the bigger problem. Look at those fools in National who signed NZ up to indigenous rights. No one voted for that shit.
  
  Forget WEF its the UN which is the problem. Look at that clown Luxon and Zero Carbon. The real problem.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:19am
  - Ghost
    
    Well they have their members everywhere and they will use business to push to their agenda more. But hey at least we have a WEF Young Global Leaders alumni as Prime
    Minister….
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:38am
    - Simon
      
      “But hey at least we have a WEF Young Global Leaders alumni as Prime Minister”
      
      Yeah networking for wankers. But anything else? No.
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:55am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Simon – they have astonishing power and influence. If you don’t think these people having closed meetings together isn’t serious then I don’t know what is. Have a look at “who” and what they are talking about.
    Not a full list yet.
    
    https://dossier.substack.com/p/exclusive-davos-2023-will-feature
    
    Yes, the UN is a concern. As is the WHO. What connects all of these groups? None of them are democratically elected and all are funded by billionaires pushing their own agenda.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:59am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Key stared away from those fools, you can bet he has trained Luxon to also avoid them, I have noted a couple of times he has stated UN for example does not run this country
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Again you fool, there is no such thing as zero carbon or humans would seize to exist
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:59am
  - NothingLeft
    
    I believe WEF is sponsored by Gulfstream and Bombardier and Embraer – all getting rich off the jets that the WEF members buy.
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:48pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    WeF and UN have signed a strategic partnership. All part of the same thing with overlapping players. Arms of the same octopus
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:11pm
kevn

@Tomt… No visits anywhere from Minister of Civil Defence so there is the truth. arden is just hunkered down somewhere.
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January 11, 2023 8:17am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Maybe shes gone to the airport to wave her chum goodbye on his trip back to obscurity from our prison system?
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:18am
  - Steve Todd
    
    He’s not leaving until March.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:27am
- pdm
  
  kev – I see the Civil Defence Minister is Keiran McAnulty – he accused of bullying Sharma.
  
  In any case you cannot in all fairness expect any Labour Minister to go out in the rain.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:24am
  - Cassandra
    
    Always sit in the car like Mr Biden and Mr Trump.
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:38am
    - yossarian
      
      Or cry at the fence of an empty carpark like AOC?
      
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      January 11, 2023 8:55am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        yossarian – great acting, but Rachel Maddow outdid her talking about the same migrant kids,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKuIjT-k-C8
        
        Of course, best actor award has to belong to Matt Hancock. A complete sociopath.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnV9LumDxZk
        
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        January 11, 2023 10:06am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        When Trump wins in 2024, AOC should not go back to being a barmaid. Hollywood awaits her.
        
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        January 11, 2023 10:12am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Steve,
        
        Even if Trump did win in 2024, what impact would that have on AOC’s congressional seat?
        Basically none. It is a solid Dem seat. She is there as long as she wants. More likely she is thinking of replacing Schumer in the Senate, when he steps down.
        
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        January 11, 2023 1:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  It’s too wet for Photo Shoots and besides, Womans Weekly is still in holiday mode.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:31am
- Simon
  
  Ardern cant travel anywhere without showering the place before hand with vast sums of money.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think this time last year Jaspinda was in Tairua in a holiday house. Had the whole street blocked off and only residents allowed in. Can’t have the crazies protesting outside.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  Will she come out this weekend for Ratana?
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    IF the cameras are there, yes.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She doesn’t usually
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why the hell does she not front? Worst pm in history
  
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  January 11, 2023 11:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Right now her popularity is in the gutter. She will do anything to fix that, and that means cameras and media.
    
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    January 11, 2023 2:45pm
    - MCōs
      
      Unless things have changed since the most recent polls her popularity is way ahead of any other PM wannabes.
      
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      January 11, 2023 3:17pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Last poll had just 3 % swing away between Luxon and Ardern
        
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        January 11, 2023 5:51pm
Bridgenag

CENSORSHIP IS NO LAUGHING MATTER.
Rowan Atkinson outlines his thoughts in a concise way to the fundamental nature
of the liberties given to us by free speech. The appropriate response to insult and offence is speech.
Better speech, not gagging, is the way to deal with bad speech.
https://www.facebook.com/FreeSpeechUnion/videos/1398549070539814/
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January 11, 2023 8:23am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/01/satellite-images-capture-crowds-at-funeral-homes-and-crematoriums-in-china-as-covid-19-wave-continues.html

This is ridiculous and basically fear mongering propaganda by our hopeless media. Show a satellite image of a Chinese funeral home from a year ago with no cars parked outside it (when their citizens were locked in their homes) and show one now with some cars parked outside it and claim that means they are overwhelmed by covid deaths on a massive scale.

But it’s verified by CNN. Whatever that means.

Then they complain that China aren’t reporting enough deaths.

“… Speaking in more detail, WHO executive director for health emergencies Mike Ryan said the numbers released by China “under-represent the true impact of the disease” in terms of hospital and ICU admissions, as well as deaths.

He acknowledged that many countries have seen lags in reporting hospital data, but pointed to China’s “narrow” definition of a COVID death as part of the issue.”

Sounds like they are just reporting the actual deaths instead of gang members shot in driveways that test positive after the lead poisoning…

If they carry on like that people will realise how mild this is and that they have been tricked so we must engineer some stories to make it look bad.

And if you really want to know how bad the media are, they spelt covid wrong in the article. Lucky they haven’t got any credibility left to lose.
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January 11, 2023 8:23am
Maggie Pie

A bestie tweets….

BE GAY / DO CRIME

https://twitter.com/Dame_Jane/status/1612687462895325184

And to think taxpayers are about to give this useless arsehat a substantial pay increase 🙁
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January 11, 2023 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wow!
  Imagine an MP in this day and age stereotyping Gay folk as criminals.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:40am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Absolute weirdos.
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:50am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The Mexican MP represents much of what I deplore in public policy. I wish him gone, preferably back to Mexico. However that has nothing to do with him being gay.
      
      Gay people are not criminals or “weirdos” as a result of their sexuality.
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:11am
      - MCōs
        
        Why do you hate him?
        
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        January 11, 2023 11:02am
Bridgenag

ITALY HAS JUST VOTED IN THEIR FIRST EVER FEMALE PRIME MINISTER.
Italy’s unashamedly, defiantly, pro-family new leader. Normally the media would be praising and celebrating the appointment.
Unfortunately, despite Giorgia Meloni’s capabilities, they are unwilling to deliver such flattery due to her ‘extreme’ views.
You may be surprised at what they define as ‘extreme’. Maybe not.
https://fb.watch/hTzdBVce-z/?mibextid=dbqmp1
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=WA-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&mibextid=dbqmp1&v=2040146866174919
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January 11, 2023 8:39am
- Jack5
  
  Meloni’s political party, Fratelli d’Italia, apparently has a neo-fascist past.
  
  That’s what the Liberals are saying:
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/sep/24/giorgia-meloni-is-a-danger-to-italy-and-the-rest-of-europe-far-right
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:05am
  - Cassandra
    
    A past which Meloni has sorted out. Guardian ignores that. Terrible but free newspaper. Times is infinitely better.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:28am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      LA Times or NY Times?
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:44am
- Risi
  
  Persoannly I find her so-called “pro-family” views extreme, and certainly not to my liking.
  
  That said I don’t think she’s much to worry about either. She at least has the good sense to be pro-NATO and anti Putin.
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:59pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The invasion of Ukraine was too much even for some of the most pro-Russian European rightist parties.
    
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    January 11, 2023 5:35pm
Tony Stuart

There was a story on 1News last night about people queueing to buy Harry’s book at midnight. It was interesting to see that the books being unpacked at the bookstore all had a “Half Price” sticker on the cover.

For a book to be sold at a 50% discount on its launch date suggests that either it was overpriced in the first place, or it was underwhelming. Given that I have chosen to respect Harry’s desire for privacy I won’t be reading Spare, so someone else can tell me which option applies!
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January 11, 2023 8:41am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Now the biggest selling book in history on day of release!
  
  Over 400,000 copies sold 😀
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:46am
  - Ghost
    
    Shit, that would have cost him a lot to buy, no wonder they went half price to save him money
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:52am
    - Jack5
      
      The publisher will make a huge profit.
      
      The intense media coverage of Harry’s ravings is equivalent to hundreds of millions in advertising, and it’s free.
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:09am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Penguin Random House have to sell over 1.5 million at full price to break even.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:00am
    - Jack5
      
      Production costs per copy fall steeply as numbers printed rise, and transport costs will be moderate with big markets around the population centres of Britain and North America.
      
      A 1.5 million break-even would be based on lump-sum royalty deal with Harry, and publisher profit will be handsome after the 1.5 million sales.
      
      On the first day of retail sales, 400,000 copies were bought, according to the publisher, which claims only Harry Potter titles have sold faster.
      
      “Where there’s muck, there’s brass.”
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:47am
      - Jack5
        
        Amazon reviews of the Kindle edition of the Harry book are ranking it quiet highly.
        
        https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BCP3JP6F#customerReviews
        
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        January 11, 2023 10:18am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Jack – Amazon reviews tend to lean heavily favorable for every book.
        
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        January 11, 2023 10:46am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Milky – you forgot to mention it is also a great place for a troll to find a review that suits their narrative to quote ie copy, paste and slander away. The beauty of slander is the troll doesn’t need to establish any credibility of the reviewer to attack the credibility of the slandered.
        
        Just see Mikes hit job on my post on “Turtles all the way down” in yesterday’s GD to see how to use this amazing resource.
        
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        January 11, 2023 12:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Well Lumpy, an Amazon review certainly informed me that book was not even written ‘by’ Mary Holland, who merely contributed a foreword, but by ‘anonymous’ several years ago but now relaunched to take advantage of the opportunities the pandemic provided to sell more bullshit.
        Vaccines do not cause autism.
        I’m also unlikely to read or recommend books that promote chiropractic, osteopathy, homeopathy, weird diets (paleo, keto, macrobiotic, alkaline, etc), faith healing, acupuncture, crystals, colloidal silver or any other types of medical malinformation.
        
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        January 11, 2023 2:30pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Milky – authors chose Anonymity to avoid being slandered, the standard tactic for anyone who doesn’t want or can’t debate the facts. To prove the point, you have then turned the debate into a slander of the editor Mary Holland.
        
        Instead of the ongoing lazy blogging diarrhoea that you constantly engage in why dont you read the 1st chapter of the book and then come back with all the places where their facts are wrong.
        
        The authors have put that challenge out, including to Pharma, medical regulators and the general public. As yet there hasn’t been one fact challenged. So Milky give it a go rather than resorting to a smear campaign.
        
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        January 11, 2023 5:29pm
  - NK
    
    #TwitterFiles much more relevant, important and interesting!!
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:11am
  - artemisia
    
    Just seen my library has bought 10 downloadable audiobook copies, all booked out for at least 6 months. Hard copies and ebooks still on order but not here yet. Never seen that number of downloadable audiobooks before, I guess they are immediately available. Does indicate major demand for all formats.
    
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    January 12, 2023 2:59pm
- Ghost
  
  Plenty of toilet paper on the shelf, no shortages so don’t need to buy this book
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    To loosely quote Blackadder: “What could any reader have against this publication, apart from his bottom?”
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:17am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Ah yes, without question my favourite magazine. Soft, strong and…. thoroughly absorbent
      
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      January 11, 2023 12:18pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I do s000o enjoy Blackadder ….
        
        Blackadder: What are you doing, Baldrick?
        
        Baldrick: I’m carving my name on this bullet, sir
        
        Blackadder: And why are you doing that?
        
        Baldrick: Well you know they say somewhere there’s a bullet with your name on it?
        
        Blackadder: Yes?
        
        Baldrick: I figure if I own the bullet the chances of me being hit by it are very small indeed
        
        Blackadder: It’s not the only thing around here that’s “very small indeed”, Baldrick. Your brain, for example, is so minute that if a hungry cannibal cracked your head open there wouldn’t be enough inside to cover a small water biscuit
        
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        January 11, 2023 12:46pm
- mogg
  
  It sounds very much like drug induced paranoia to me. Anywhere from 65 to 85% of cocaine users suffer serious paranoid thinking.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:11am
- coge
  
  The Australian edition, “Gone spare”
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:18pm
Yvette

Prince Harry & Meghan Attack Tabloids and Paparazzi in Netflix Doc Series: “They Are Destroying Us”
“I accept that there’ll be people around the world who fundamentally disagree with what I’ve done and how I’ve done it, but I knew that I had to do everything I could to protect my family, especially after what happened to my Mum (Princess Diana). I didn’t want history to repeat itself.” – Prince Harry
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/prince-harry-meghan-netflix-documentary-tabloids-1235277773/

Has not Prince Harry re-created, even now on a greater scale, the paparazzi feeding-frenzy he claims killed his mother Princess Diana?
As is so often suggested – if “I didn’t want history to repeat itself” one should have learnt the lesson that history offered – otherwise bad shit does seem to repeat itself
What killed his mother will loose his brother
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January 11, 2023 8:49am
- Prince
  
  The Spectator says it all.
  https://spectator.com.au/2023/01/spare-us-all/
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:10am
NK

If you’re not following the #TwitterFiles then stop doing what you’re doing and tune in. Corruption and collusion at the highest levels of US Government, Big Pharma (mostly Pfizer) and then Twitter. Alex Berenson is a hero.
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January 11, 2023 8:52am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree. Aren’t we fortunate Elon Musk purchased Twitter? If he didn’t we would most probably never know about the corruption and influencers involved in peddling Covid-19 vaccines.
  I wonder if the corruption Audit Trail will lead to the NZ Govt’s involvement?
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:13am
  - NK
    
    Certainly will. We already know that our government/DIA/Facebook colluded and censored.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:46am
- Matt Long
  
  Must be rubbish, I don’t see anything in the Herald about it//
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:21am
  - NK
    
    By not covering it, Herald and Stuffed contributing to their demise and that of the MSM.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:31am
- virtualmark
  
  Alex Berenson is a conspiracist who has been consistently wrong on Covid and vaccines.
  
  Which makes it no surprise that Elon is using him for the “Twitter Files”, given his previous selection of people like Bari Weiss.
  
  I’m sure many here will get over-stimulated about Berenson’s breathless accusations of wrong-doing and evil. But the reality is that the measured thinkers will just be rolling their eyes.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:06am
  - RightNow
    
    Absolutely, and don’t forget to get your latest booster!
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:24am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “consistently wrong on Covid and vaccines.”
    
    That’s hilarious. Your precious ‘vaccines’, which are in truth experimental genetic treatments, are the greatest medical misadventure on the history of medicine. The lies and malfeasance of their creators, and of the regulatory bodies that are now captured by them is lying in plain sight.
    
    Sure, you might be able to nitpick some matters that Berenson ‘got wrong’ – questioning is the basis of good science after all – but on the substance of the matter Berenson is on the mark.. while you’re virtually way off the mark (pun intended).
    
    BTW, some of the ‘measured thinkers’ you speak of are now dead following being jabbed.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:24am
    - virtualmark
      
      https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/
      
      Said article is riddled with links to where Berenson has been shown to be wrong.
      
      I like the typically curt German response from Biontech when they were asked about Berenson’s claims … “Does not make sense”.
      
      But yes, absolutely, Berenson’s claims line up with what you want to believe. I’m not at all surprised he has a lot of supporters here.
      
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      January 11, 2023 12:49pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        That hit-piece in the Atlantic has aged like blue cheese left in a car boot for months. There is literally so much he was mocked for that has been proven correct, for example:
        
        On Tucker Carlson Tonight, he predicted that the vaccines would cause an uptick in cases of COVID-related illness and death in the U.S.
        
        The correlation between high level of ‘vaccination’ (I puke using this word…) and high levels of Covid infection is now very well established.
        
        And then…
        
        He has blamed the vaccines for suppressing our immune systems, by misrepresenting normal immune-system behavior.
        
        One word: IgG4.
        
        I disagree with Berenson on plenty, but on the basic tenet that these experimental genetic injections are harmful and should have never been used, he and I and million of others agree.
        
        But you stick with your effusive advocacy, and do please keep your ‘protection’ updated with regular boosters, virtualmark.
        
        For my part, I’ll keep an eye on the strength of your vaxx advocacy and will look for your apology in the event you start to walk it back.
        
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        January 11, 2023 2:47pm
      - virtualmark
        
        krazy, I’m fine with you believing whatever you want to believe. And I’m fine if you choose not to get vaccinated. Presumably you’re a grown-up who can make their own decisions.
        
        For me, I think Alex Berenson is wrong on practically everything to do with Covid. No doubt passionate, but wrong.
        
        Can I suggest though that you Google Cirsten Weldon, or Phil Valentine, or Marc Bernier, or Dick Farrel, or Doug Kuzma, or Pressley Stutts … I could go on. And maybe have a read of https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30512/w30512.pdf or https://journals.plos.org/globalpublichealth/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgph.0001173
        
        In the medium to long-term Covid is nothing more than a new version of the head cold. But in the immediate short-term it’s a virus our immune systems have never encountered before, so it’s basically like the introduction of measles to the South Pacific in the early 1800s.
        
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        January 11, 2023 2:57pm
      - virtualmark
        
        BTW … Tucker is vaccinated. All Fox News employees had to be. Yep, Fox News had a vaccine mandate. Although that’s not something they ever covered on air.
        
        You might remember that Rupert was one of the very first people in the whole world to get vaccinated – even before Queen Elizabeth.
        
        Rupert’s smart. But he figures that his audiences are dumb. Like I said, Rupert is smart.
        
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        January 11, 2023 2:58pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        virtualmark, I’m grateful for you linking to that ‘article’ in The Atlantic. It’s a wonderful time capsule, to wit:
        
        Berenson’s claim: In Israel, the shots are causing a scary number of deaths and hospitalizations.
        
        The reality: Israel is a sensational vaccine success story: a nearly open economy where COVID-19 rates are plunging.
        
        Setting aside the claim relating to deaths and hospitalizations to which Thompson responds with Covid infection rates, this his how well that ‘Reality’ as aged. In respect of, um, ‘plunging’ ….
        
        – Israel’s Covid death rates from April 2021
        
        – Israel’s Covid infection rates from April 2021
        
        Shall we look at excess deaths proximal to the advent of Pfizer needles starting to be pushed into arms – mmm?
        
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        January 11, 2023 3:14pm
  - NK
    
    Berenson was onto matters well before Musk bought Twitter. Your derogatory use of the term “conspiracist” places you in the Ardern authoritarian camp.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:36am
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Yep for the ‘know it alls’ crying out “conspiracy theory” or “conspiracist” every time you encounter a complex subject isn’t going to cut it in intellectual discourse anymore.
      
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      January 11, 2023 7:55pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  NO – of course not a murmur from NZ media.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:18am
Bridgenag

Think you will like these………………
TOP TEN MAINSTREAM MEDIA LIES OF 2022
Independent journalist Kim Iverson admits she had trouble limiting the number to ten,
as there were so much disinformation promulgated by the mainstream media in a year of social and economic turmoil.
While it’s a list of US media lies, nevertheless New Zealand’s foreign-owned legacy mainstream media followed the same narratives down to a tee.
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/watch-top-10-msm-lies-of-2022/
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January 11, 2023 8:55am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Bring back Ngani!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/130945886/ngani-laumape-continues-to-storm-japan-scene
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January 11, 2023 9:01am
- Opie
  
  The lack of go forward in the midfield was quite possibly the biggest reason for the all blacks poor season last year. Well that and bad coaching, tactics and an uninspirational captain off course.
  
  Imagine laumape at 12 and jordie Barrett at 13. Now that’s a midfield.
  
  I’ve seen better centre’s in club rugby than who the abs played last year, whoever they were.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:00am
  - Prince
    
    One of the key roles of a second five is to take rubbish ball and create a second phase that tidies it up and gives some momentum. Think Ian MacRae through to Ma’a Nonu.
    Laumape was brilliant at this. He is badly missed.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:16am
Simon

10 years until China installs a puppet govt in NZ.
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January 11, 2023 9:06am
- kowtow
  
  Doesn’t have to .
  
  It seems a lot of our decisions are already made with a view to how the Emperor in Peking will regard them.
  
  Not to mention already having United Front MPs in the House , keeping a watching brief.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:35am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m not sure about the current MPs, but I heard that national and labour struck a deal in 2020 for both Raymond Huo and Jian Yang to retire.
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:59pm
- peterwn
  
  Yes, opening cop shops in NZ is a sign of things to come.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:58am
- virtualmark
  
  We’ve had Chinese poodle governments here since at least 1999.
  
  To be fair to Winston, he’s been the most cautious, independent and pragmatic of the lot of them.
  
  [Mod – provides evidence of your claim or don’t make it]
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:09am
  - All_on_Red
    
    [Mod – thank you, deleted it]
    
    That’s defamatory but given you have no credibility, then you’ll probably get away with it.
    lol
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:40am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      [Mod – how about you concentrate on your own posts and not telling people what they should or shouldn’t post]
      
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      January 11, 2023 10:55am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      We should perhaps stick to simply noting that Sor John is a very well-known apologist for his good friend General Secretary Xi.
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:24am
      - Risi
        
        He has been very vocal lately. I really wish he would stop.
        
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        January 11, 2023 3:59pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Shrug.
    
    I think John Key is the best Prime Minister we’ve had in at least 50 years, likely longer. Intelligent, charismatic, great leader of our strongest ever Cabinet. His personal friendship with Obama was invaluable in resetting our relationship with the US. His personal rapport with Xi was valuable in deepening our commercial ties with China.
    
    But I have a much less benign view of China than he’s recently proposed. And I suspect I’m much more cautious than him as to how China seeks to influence and compromise individuals, society and government in countries like New Zealand. Of course there’s a huge commercial opportunity with an economy the size of China’s. But there’s a price to be paid for that, and I think we should carefully consider whether we want to pay that price.
    
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    January 11, 2023 1:23pm
    - virtualmark
      
      If I were King of New Zealand (to use a phrase) I’d happily have us continue to trade with China on our current terms.
      
      But I’d also progressively raise our defence spend to the “2% of GDP” target that most Western countries hold to. And I’d rebuild our traditional defence relationships with Australia and the US. China would probably not like that and, as we’ve seen with Australia, use trade as a way of expressing their displeasure.
      
      I suspect many here would be happy to see NZ take a posture like that.
      
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      January 11, 2023 1:45pm
Rusty

In the herald today we read that Jacinda is not going to back down on Maori issues this year even if National makes it an election issue.

I’m all for protecting Maori culture but there has to be limits to how far you go with this. Maori only makes up 16% of the NZ population and where is the evidence the majority of Maori want co-governance anyway?

Interesting that Jacinda appeals to National signing a pledge on indigenous rights with the UN and equates this to mean Maori have a right to co-govern NZ under some imaginary UN law!

If the people of this country don’t wake up to this global elite agenda then frighteningly it might become a reality in NZ.

Jacinda and her Maori elites have to go.
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January 11, 2023 9:08am
- Ghost
  
  Please provide links when talking about a news story
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:10am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/jacinda-ardern-wont-back-down-on-maori-issues/NSVB6NBQVVEE3JELQORV2U7WTM/
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:12am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Why, why, why won’t journalists make her explain clearly exactly what she is talking about and what, in either the Treaty or the UN Declaration, requires it?
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:31am
      - kowtow
        
        The Herald article appears to be a mash up of an interview she did with TeAoMaori.news and is credited to Whakaata Maori , whatever that is.
        
        The good news is she says “I will happily campaign on our record.”
        
        Interestingly she claims she ” did try and stop and have a conversation with the people there” . I wonder if there’ll be any “fact checking” done , afterall Te Media Pardy were always keen for that when Mr Trump made utterances .
        
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        January 11, 2023 9:41am
      - nathie
        
        Good point, because let’s not forget when she didn’t know the Treaty of Waitangi (when asked by the MSM) and needed Willy Jackson to whisper the answers to her.
        
        Yet “we” (and MSM) are meant to trust her to know what a UN declaration means?
        
        Clearly she doesn’t have a clue and is making it up (that Willy fella is still whispering ~~the~~ his answers to her)!
        
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        January 11, 2023 9:59am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Do you think the Ts&Cs in PIJF might have a bearing on this?
        
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        January 11, 2023 12:53pm
    - Ghost
      
      Thanks
      
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      January 11, 2023 9:38am
- Nickc2
  
  Does anyone know if Cindy’s Maori Caucus can also put themselves up for inclusion on the Maori Party’s list should the Maori Party agree or make an offer?
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:36am
  - nathie
    
    Didn’t Labour threaten Dr Sharma with the “Waka Jumping” rule (quietly, as in by implying)?
    
    If so then surely the Maori Caucus cannot “jump waka” to the MP?
    
    (And why would they when Labour so generously funds them and their campaigns etc)?
    
    Suspect there is zero chance the Maori Caucus would ever leave Labour* (and Labour’s trough) and is a bit of a red herring that the rest of Labour can use to justify their support of their radical agenda!
    
    *Except for Willie, I suspect that fella owns allegiance to no-one and would go wherever it best suits his agenda!
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:07am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I have heard they threatened to split the party before an election if they don’t get their way
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:09am
      - Nickc2
        
        I heard that too. We must share the same flock/loft of carrier pigeons.
        It’s not called Waka Jumping when Maori do it eh?
        Do you think they’ll Pirate the Maori Party or start their own like Anderton did?
        
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        January 11, 2023 11:50am
      - nathie
        
        Ahh that makes sense, even if they could or couldn’t waka jump, all they need to do is drop some threats about leaving and Labour, terrified of a backlash and media storm, acquiesces.
        
        How terribly Grancinda like behavior! What a bunch of scaredy cats (who would rather see the country divided instead of acting rationally – oh well history will judge them)!
        
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        January 11, 2023 4:06pm
- Simon
  
  “even if National makes it an election issue.”
  
  lol – its not certain that it will be an election issue as [Mod – no need for silly nicknames] Luxon thinks he can simply manage co-governance better than anyone else.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s bullshit, he has stated their will be no separatist services or any ownership by Māori, or for Māori, he also has stated there will only be one vote for all
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:11am
- Michael Rodent
  
  The 16% figure for Maori is interesting as it is a Stats NZ estimate based on the significantly changing criteria over time.
  Pre 1986 it was for those who were at least 50% genetically Maori – by 1995 it had changed to those who self-identified as Maori and on it goes with more and more changes to the criteria :
  https://datainfoplus.stats.govt.nz/Item/nz.govt.stats/5b6313fc-3ce3-434e-8ee7-6bac79305e53?_ga=2.16108278.1124348557.1673384458-1561412888.1673384458
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Winston in a recent speech said that to be on the Maori Roll the requirement is now 1/512.
    
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    January 11, 2023 2:03pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The electoral act simply defines Māori as being of Māori descent. There is no blood quantum and no test of whakapapa, etc.
      
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      January 11, 2023 4:28pm
- Yvette
  
  Rusty – Interesting that Jacinda appeals to National signing a pledge on indigenous rights with the UN and equates this to mean Maori have a right to co-govern NZ under some imaginary UN law!
  
  Jacinda Ardern is no Helen Clark. Memorialising Clark and positively comparing her to Ardern needs to stop. Clark’s government was disastrous for Māori and irrevocably damaged the relationship between Labour and Māori, which has stood since Rātana. Māori have every reason to be wary of pre-election lip service from Labour. Ardern has to be willing to accept, listen, and respond to criticism from Māori voices in developing policy. For the Ardern-Davis partnership to live, Clark’s Labour must die [1].
  
  Jacinda Ardern is no Helen Clark – and for Māori, that’s a very good thing
  An August 8, 2017 prediction that time has proven ‘absolutely’ true
  for whatever reason
  (Unlike Prince Harry, it would seem Jaacinda can sometimes learn from history)
  
  On September 13, 2007, in the United Nations General Assembly. four member states — New Zealand [Helen Clark, PM], Australia, Canada and the United States — voted against the adoption of the Declaration.
  The New Zealand Government’s explanation for its opposing vote was that four provisions contained in the Declaration are “fundamentally incompatible with New Zealand’s constitutional and legal arrangements, the Treaty of Waitangi, and the principle of governing for the good of all our citizens.” [2]
  
  When National finally “signed up” to the UNDRIP deal, it was non-binding and John Key’s statement • reaffirms the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system [that is the Treaty of Waitamgi], noting that those existing frameworks define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the declaration. [3]
  
  Under Clark’s Labour, New Zealand was one of only four countries that refused to sign the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in 2007. Labour ensured New Zealand remained a non-signatory until Pita Sharples flew to New York in secret to sign in 2010 under National. New Zealand only caved to mounting pressure after it was revealed the US, Canada and Australia, the remaining non-signatories, would sign. Then-prime minister John Key stressed the declaration was non-binding and wouldn’t impact the Crown’s treaty negotiations, despite the heavy criticism of the treaty process in UN special rapporteur Rodolfo Stavenhagens’ 2006 UN report on the rights on indigenous peoples in New Zealand. [1]
  
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  [1] https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/07-08-2017/jacinda-ardern-is-no-helen-clark-and-for-maori-thats-a-very-good-thing
  [2] https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Bid001Kahu-t1-g1-t4.html
  [3] https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/national-govt-support-un-rights-declaration
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:28am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    So many words, and still I do not know what your point is.
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:42pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      AR I believe that Yvette is making the point that Jacinda is extrapolating Keys signing of UN declaration for her own ends. Happy to destroy our country in ways that H1 would never have allowed.
      
      Basically Jacinda is a globalist, word twisting, lying @?!*$@& who is intent on divide and conquer politics so she can rule us all.
      
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      January 11, 2023 1:58pm
- Risi
  
  “Interesting that Jacinda appeals to National signing a pledge on indigenous rights with the UN and equates this to mean Maori have a right to co-govern NZ under some imaginary UN law!”
  
  This is a tactic she has used several times on this issue, claiming that either the Treaty or the UN decleration mandate co-governance. Neither do so.
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:07pm
Maggie Pie

😀 😀 😀 😀

You’ll find this as funny as fart like I did.
Thousands of vaccines for MONKEYPOX are now available here. Butt, there’s a catch…..

They haven’t been approved. LOL!!

https://1news.co.nz/2023/01/09/thousands-of-vaccines-for-monkeypox-ready-in-nz-with-a-catch/
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January 11, 2023 9:10am
- Ghost
  
  Hmmm, government seem to be full of monkeys, I suggest we try it on them first.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Given how “proud” they are , it could be a good testing ground.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:47am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Monkeypox is a self-inflicted disease.
  
  Meanwhile, there’s not enough money for a diabetes monitor that would mean not having to prick your finger every hour or two, 24/7/365.
  
  Gay men who step outside monogamy, time you looked in the mirror & took some personal responsibility.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300780587/monkeypox-vaccination-available-to-eligible-people-from-next-week
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/01/diabetes-new-zealand-accuses-pharmac-of-procrastinating-over-funding-life-changing-diabetes-monitoring-system.html
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:42am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Look into the eye-watering cost of subsidising PrEP.
    
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    January 11, 2023 5:05pm
ClanMcleod

Finally some experts speaking out about the concerning rise in young, healthy people collapsing with heart issues.

“It’s too early to say what could be causing this, but it’s never too early to say what isn’t causing this,” said local expert, Dr. Scott Rufflinger. “This could be caused by anything. But the one thing we know for certain is that it’s definitely not what we’re all thinking that’s behind this — if you know what I mean. We can go ahead and rule that thing out right now because Science just called us on the phone and told us not to discuss it. We always follow Science.”
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January 11, 2023 9:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Credit to The Babylon Bee
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-say-they-dont-know-what-thing-is-causing-everyone-to-suddenly-collapse-but-its-definitely-not-that-one-thing
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:22am
Nickc2

Will the discovery of Classified Documents in the possession of Joe Biden be spun by the Democrats and left-wing media as being planted by Republican and Donald Trump sympathisers?
Come on mikenmildagain, you must have the inside rail on this eh?
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January 11, 2023 9:22am
- Simon
  
  Doesnt matter. They could find a dead rentboy in the White House and everything would just roll on regardless. Its pretty much over.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Like the rent boy they say tried to shaft Paul Pelosi
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:13am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Not that I’ve seen so far, but by all means show us if you find any examples
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:07am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Nick2 seems to have a story to tell about this.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:57am
    - Nickc2
      
      Here’s the story as I see it. Anything else is just ‘spin’ IMO.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua6j-VAPInw
      
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      January 11, 2023 12:01pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Environmental-driven Green School will be the first school in Aotearoa to offer a new NZQA certificate

No mention of the government gift, no, wait, better make that loan.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/130912565/taranakis-green-school-will-offer-unique-nzqa-pathways
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January 11, 2023 9:31am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Pathways to unemployment.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:55am
Maggie Pie

‘PRIMUM NON NOCERE’

This is absolutely heartbreaking…..

Hard to believe there are people who think this is OK.

https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1571755615751663616
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January 11, 2023 9:41am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Photoshopped? Hard to believe a surgeon would leave a scar of that magnitude.
  
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  January 11, 2023 9:45am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    I think you may be correct about the photoshopping to make it worse. The sad thing is though that it does end up looking similar….google transgender breast removal and look to the images.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No. Definitely not photoshopped 🙁
    
    https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1526700148016812032
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:05pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Interesting to see below that the Repubs under McCarthy in the house have repealed Biden’s employment of 87,000 new IRS agents. At last, with the Dems out of the way, Congress is working FOR the American people instead of AGAINST them.
  
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  January 11, 2023 10:55am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Um, sorry to disappoint you Don, but a house majority can pass a bill, but it doesn’t become law until also passed by the senate and signed by the president, neither of which will happen for that bill.
    
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    January 11, 2023 10:59am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You do realise most the time Dem Senators vote against the Dems?
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:16am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Do you think this particular bill will pass the senate with a veto-proof majority?
        
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        January 11, 2023 11:22am
    - Don Beckett
      
      READ ON THE FOX NEWS APP
      
      The Republicans’ first sponsored bill after taking control of the House, took aim at these provisions, proposing to roll back billions of dollars in this IRS expansion. The bill pleased Republicans and angered Democrats.
      
      Outspoken Hollywood conservative Rob Schneider tweeted, “The Biden Administration would rather tax the s**t out of hard-working Americans and send another 100 billion to Ukraine… Thankfully, House votes to rescind billions in funding to the IRS in first major majority action with McCarthy as Speaker.”
      
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      January 11, 2023 11:49am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        The Republicans in the House look like they are going to use the opportunity of the next two years for performative art, rather than actually legislating. Pass a whole of absurd bills which have no chance of becoming law. However they need to be careful. If voters get the idea they represent future Republican policy, then it could all be a big negative.
        
        The one area where the Republican majority might really affect things is the debt ceiling and the annual budget. When that is next hit, the House will need to approve the extension. Similarly with passing the budget. With the Freedom Caucus wanting some quite extreme measures, the scene is set for a major government shutdown and a possible default.
        
        Moderate Republicans may want to avoid that, and will do some sort of deal with moderate Democrats. Allowing the extremes of both parties to do their performatives acts of feigned outrage.
        
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        January 11, 2023 1:24pm
  - peterwn
    
    Have Republican politicians been on the tax fiddle? Or were the extra IRS staff intended to track down people overseas who qualify for USA citizenship but have never asserted it (eg by applying for a USA passport).
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:37pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Mainly to be able to scrutinize and audit tax returns to make sure the very complicated US tax system is being administered more fairly and efficiently.
      
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      January 11, 2023 2:36pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Man in the US is taking his ex wife to court to stop her chemically castrating their son as the mother believes he wants to be a girl
  
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  January 11, 2023 11:23am
  - NothingLeft
    
    That is rough – nutty Dr mum started grooming him into becoming transgender at 2, tried to enroll him in gender reassignment clinic at 5 and now has moved him to California to enable her to get him chemically castrated at 9
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:57pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      All these super-young gender dysphoria cases should be looked at really really hard with an eye towards Munchausen’s Syndrome by proxy (inducing medical symptoms in a child for attention), a uniquely female mental disorder.
      
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      January 11, 2023 4:31pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Whether it’s true or not, if you read down that thread, this is posted: “ Age-restricted adult content. This content might not be appropriate for people under 18 years old. To view this media, you’ll need to…”.
  Wow!! So apparently it’s ok to allow young kids to make these decisions by themselves (no parent approval) but hey, watch those graphic pics that aren’t age appropriate. What a f@cked up world we have become.
  
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  January 12, 2023 12:40pm
NK

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-covid-censorship-machine-social-media-facebook-meta-executive-rob-flaherty-free-speech-google-11673203704
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January 11, 2023 10:01am
krazykiwi

More credentialed folks starting to wake up:

Lead author of peer reviewed research re-analysing Pfizer & Moderna trials on mRNA vaccine @JosephFraiman calls for immediate suspension of jab due to serious harms.

“We have conclusive evidence that the vaccines are inducing sudden cardiac death”
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January 11, 2023 10:31am
- mikenmildagain
  
  krazykiwi
  For many years, people have cried “wake up, sheeple”, but I also understand that being ‘woke’ is a very bad thing.
  Could you please explain this apparent contradiction?
  
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  January 11, 2023 11:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That’s desperate even for you mm. You really don’t need someone to explain the difference between someone being “woke” and someone figuratively “waking up” do you? Rhetorical question.
    
    You are simply trolling again. Literally.
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s like someone describing these actresses as cool
    https://www.pinterest.nz/a_almahari/cool-actress/
    and someone else saying, “na, they’re hot.”
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:46am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “Yeah, nah”, etc.
      
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      January 11, 2023 12:54pm
  - Prince
    
    Similarly, Greens want ‘conservation’, yet to them ‘conservatives’ are the source of all evil.
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:49am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Depends whether we are talking big ‘C’ Conservtives or little ‘c’ conservatives.
      
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      January 11, 2023 12:56pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “Could you please explain this apparent contradiction?”
    
    Yes I could. But not to odious little trolls.
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:49pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – it’s becoming impossible to ignore, but incredibly the NZ experts, politicians and media have achieved the impossible, for now. How much longer do you think?
  
  CDC Finally Releases VAERS Safety Monitoring Analyses For COVID Vaccines:
  
  CDC’s VAERS safety signal analysis based on reports from Dec. 14, 2020 – July 29, 2022 for mRNA COVID-19 vaccines shows clear safety signals for death and a range of highly concerning thrombo-embolic, cardiac, neurological, hemorrhagic, hematological, immune-system and menstrual adverse events (AEs) among U.S. adults.
  
  There were 770 different types of adverse events that showed safety signals in ages 18 , of which over 500 (or 2/3) had a larger safety signal than myocarditis/pericarditis.
  
  The CDC analysis shows that the number of serious adverse events reported in less than two years for mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is 5.5 times larger than all serious reports for vaccines given to adults in the US since 2009 (~73,000 vs. ~13,000).
  
  Twice as many mRNA COVID-19 vaccine reports were classified as serious compared to all other vaccines given to adults (11% vs. 5.5%). This meets the CDC definition of a safety signal.
  
  There are 96 safety signals for 12-17 year-olds, which include: myocarditis, pericarditis, Bell’s Palsy, genital ulcerations, high blood pressure and heartrate, menstrual irregularities, cardiac valve incompetencies, pulmonary embolism, cardiac arrhythmias, thromboses, pericardial and pleural effusion, appendicitis and perforated appendix, immune thrombocytopenia, chest pain, increased troponin levels, being in intensive care, and having anticoagulant therapy.
  
  There are 66 safety signals for 5-11 year-olds, which include: myocarditis, pericarditis, ventricular dysfunction and cardiac valve incompetencies, pericardial and pleural effusion, chest pain, appendicitis & appendectomies, Kawasaki’s disease, menstrual irregularities, vitiligo, and vaccine breakthrough infection.
  
  The safety signals cannot be dismissed as due to “stimulated,” exaggerated, fraudulent or otherwise artificially inflated reporting, nor can they be dismissed due to the huge number of COVID vaccines administered. There are several reasons why, but the simplest one is this: the safety signal analysis does not depend on the number of reports, but whether or not some AEs are reported at a higher rate for these vaccines than for other non-COVID vaccines. Other reasons are discussed in the full post below.
  
  In August, 2022, the CDC told the Epoch Times that the results of their safety signal analysis “were generally consistent with EB [Empirical Bayesian] data mining [conducted by the FDA], revealing no additional unexpected safety signals.” So either the FDA’s data mining was consistent with the CDC’s method—meaning they “generally” found the same large number of highly alarming safety signals—or the signals they did find were expected. Or they were lying. We may never know because the FDA has refused to release their data mining results.
  
  The mammoth keeps getting bigger and the refusal to acknowledge any problem at all is beyond belief.
  
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  January 11, 2023 11:35am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “How much longer do you think?”
    
    I expect MoH vaxx advocacy will be quietly thinned and eventually withdrawn, but there will be no reversal or admission of fault. Those I consider to be criminally liable for harm will slink off, and the state-funded media/propaganda outlets be directed to look for new alarmist narratives in pursuit of “moving on”. Sadly, most of those who haven’t [yet] experienced any bodily harm will lazily acquiesce.
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:56pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Very true KK. As per a prescient meme I saw last week:
      “Everyone thinks they would have been Oskar Schindler when in fact, they would most likely have followed the Nazis”.
      
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      January 11, 2023 3:44pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Yep like St Ashley they will eventually end up saying “I was only following orders” 😉
      
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      January 11, 2023 8:02pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Clan – “How much longer do you think?”
    
    Unfortunately I believe it is going to be like cigarette smoking. Suspicions of issues with smoking were there in the 1930’s/1940’s. I guess it was finally acknowledged as an issue 50 years down the road. In the meantime big tobacco (big money) suppressed research they had showing smoking was the issue, smeared anybody who raised concerns, used their economic muscle to lobby and bribe, dismissed correlation as it was not causation. To me this mirrors exactly what we see now.
    
    Another big problem in NZ is that because all the current MPs and the legacy media got on board with the get vaxxed messaging, none of them are going to admit they were wrong. I don’t think we will hear proper debate on vaccines until we get some untainted, new blood into our parliament and media. But that isn’t going to be a fast process.
    
    Anybody voicing views like yours mainstream is just going to get slandered and smeared out of the debate. We see some of that here, but most KB’ers are open to hearing and debating facts. So please keep up your good work.
    
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    January 11, 2023 6:43pm
- mawm
  
  kk – the Fraiman analysis of the data on mRNA vaccines is a big thing. Pfizer’s own data showing 1/800 vaccines resulted in a serious side effect – in the first 2 months only. How many more occurred after that?
  
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  January 11, 2023 5:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A Vice President can not ‘declassify’ documents. Goose, gander and all that stuff.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-calls-for-fbi-to-raid-bidens-homes-after-classified-documents-discovered-in-his-office/
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January 11, 2023 11:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Did Biden purport to declassify those documents?
  
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  January 11, 2023 11:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He does not remember I guess.
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:33am
- Inandout
  
  SO, breakfast host Tim read a text asking why he hadn’t mentioned the Biden issue and he did bring the issue up earlier this morning apparently. I don’t think Hosking would have broached the subject.
  
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  January 11, 2023 11:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    What makes you think Hosking wouldn’t have broached the subject?
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:29pm
Maggie Pie

I never heard Hazza put the boot into Uncle Andrew during his interviews 😛

https://twitter.com/TheDuchessBoom/status/1612889233299210240
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January 11, 2023 11:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/raising-25k-for-the-stop-co-governance-nz-road-tour-update-10th-january-2023/

$9300 to go. Good fundraising.
This road tour is going to wake NZ up. Wonder how the MSM will perform?
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January 11, 2023 11:17am
ClanMcleod

This should be interesting.

New Zealand Traveller Declaration to replace Passenger Arrival Cards from June

Digital of course, it does make sense, but what questions will be in it? What are the implications for travel to NZ? I really hope they leave covid completely out of it.
If the idiots still want to keep covid out of the country then best they do it by finding out before departure. Not an hour before they land in the country.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new-zealand-traveller-declaration-to-replace-passenger-arrival-cards-from-june/6ZWZZGLSWFHWJLLXLPRJM4D2WA/
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January 11, 2023 11:40am
Maggie Pie

There must be something seriously wrong with the ZB host they’ve got filling in for Marcus Lush.

My partner’s popped in earlier and happened to say she can’t wait for Marcus to get back!
Normally she can’t stand him.
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January 11, 2023 11:46am
- Ghost
  
  Your partner’s popped in. Geez, how many partners do you have?
  
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  January 11, 2023 11:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    woopsie!! “mum”
    
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    January 11, 2023 11:58am
  - Don Beckett
    
    She meant partner’s mum.
    
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    January 11, 2023 12:04pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Ghost knew that! He just likes being a cnut 😀
      
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      January 11, 2023 12:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        😜
        
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        January 11, 2023 12:14pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Not sure how he manages that?
        
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        January 11, 2023 8:21pm
ClanMcleod

And can someone please have a word with Baker and Wiles, both these looney covidians calling for masks in the last 48 hours.

German mask mandates are quietly withdrawn one after the other, as it finally dawns on the broader public and politicians that they’re stupid and pointless

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-mask-mandates-are-quietly?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=95866534&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email

And this:

How Long Will We Persist With the Mad Mask Charade?

The author is one of those who now realise that you cannot comply your way out of tyranny.

A minority of the population always felt in our guts or our hearts that mask wearing was a vile, oppressive, inhuman imposition. Some people bravely went barefaced from the start and coped with whatever abuse and prohibitions they encountered. After the long weeks of lockdown and social distancing my courage was at a low ebb. Throughout 2020-21, to avoid adverse attention, I would wear a thin grey cowl (only bearable for a few minutes) or a plastic visor. I knew that neither of these was in any way useful in preventing the spread of a virus by tiny aerosols. I had done my homework. I was however intimidated and very stressed by every experience that involved being amongst masked people. I used to talk to myself behind my visor while doing the shopping and smile stupidly at the masked people around me. It’s bizarre to remember it now and I promise myself that if those pesky masks ever return my face will be free.

There will be many others out there who feel exactly the same. NEVER let them impose this on us again. Ignore it. It will go away.
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January 11, 2023 11:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Newshub headline telling us that a Gisborne town is isolated and uncontactable….

The Gisborne town of Tikitiki is cut off and has been uncontactable for hours due to an internet outage

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/01/weather-live-updates-northern-new-zealand-braces-for-more-wild-conditions-after-cyclone-hale.html

Tikitiki is 2.5 hours drive away, 145km up the E. coast.

Perhaps it would have been more accurate to describe Tikitiki as a Gisborne-District town.
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January 11, 2023 12:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just the beginning. https://thepoliticalinsider.com/lauren-boebert-celebrates-gops-first-bill-slashing-funding-for-the-irs-conservative-governance-at-its-finest/
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January 11, 2023 12:28pm
- Don Beckett
  
  So the beginning of the end of the Democrat pork barrel politics. Long may it continue. Oh – and also the RINO’s whose armpits deserve to be infested with the fleas of a thousand camels. 😆
  
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  January 11, 2023 12:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mitch McConnel, the conniving bastard. Restricts mid term funding for some of the lesser Republicans, and gives Murkowski in Alaska shitloads
    
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    January 11, 2023 2:48pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      But perhaps you applauded his ‘conniving’ when it was used to facilitate Trumpy getting extra supreme court nominations.
      
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      January 11, 2023 4:31pm
  - Risi
    
    There is no such thing as a RINO. The Republican Party has always had multiple factions with different viewpoints, and has over it’s long history many different approaches to policy. If you applied the current definition of RINO to previous Republican Presidents it would invalidate almost every single one prior to Trump. For example Dwight Eisenhower would definitaley be considreed a RINO by today’s silly standards.
    
    Also, both parties are equally fond of pork barrel politics. The Republicans have always been fair weather friends to fiscal responsibility. Fundamentalists on the issue when they are out of power, couldn’t care less when they are in. How many os the so-called “true” Republicans had nothing to say when Trump was racking up debt?
    
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    January 11, 2023 4:33pm
cmm

If the Mongrel Mob really still needed to prove they are the scum of the earth then they have done so today.

Massive turn out of mob and cops for the tangi in Chch to pay respects to a scumbag that raped a 13 year old. Only decent thing he’s ever done is top himself.

This is the man that Mob idolise. This is who they look up to. This is who Labour like giving hand outs to.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/130948197/gang-members-stop-traffic-as-they-farewell-former-boss
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January 11, 2023 12:51pm
- cas
  
  I was told of mob members barking at the tangi of a 16 year old recently. Disgusting.
  
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  January 11, 2023 1:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is how they communicate with each other.
    
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    January 11, 2023 2:49pm
- Inandout
  
  cmm, $2.75 million buys a lot of 4WDs and expensive lawyers when needed.
  
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  January 11, 2023 2:53pm
- PeeJay
  
  Couple of folks I work with were held up by the procession today. Apparently our very effective police were in attendance and did their usual sweet FA about the disruption caused.
  
  God I wish our police would grow a pair and treat these scum like they deserve to be treated!
  
  Want to hold a funeral procession? Fine. No worries, don’t cause disruption, no problem. Want to act like assholes, hang out of cars, be anti-social, burnouts etc and intimidate members of the public? Police should go in and arrest the pricks.
  
  Force respects force – our police are laughed at by the gangs because they know they are pussies and in a contest of will, the gang will win every time.
  
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  January 11, 2023 7:44pm
  - Ghost
    
    Police have been raiding gangs and making arrests.
    
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    January 11, 2023 7:58pm
The Redbaiter

So many on here referencing the mainstream media. Haven’t bothered with it in years, excepting to critique it.

There are three things messing up NZ’s democracy. The first is the autocratic and dictatorial Labour party. The second is the fake National party, not a real opposition.

The third but not in any way least is the mainstream media. Fully captured by the progressive left it is a corrupt stain on our democracy and is completely failing in its mission as the fourth estate.

Mr Becket’s comment above at 10:19, wherein he outlines all of the deliberate politically motivated omissions is spot on.

NZ media, especially the TV One newsroom, exists only to distract your attention from the things that matter, and divert it to the things that do not.
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January 11, 2023 1:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ media got a shitload of money to do as Labour says.
  
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  January 11, 2023 2:57pm
Maggie Pie

I see where the Biden Administration has just released the names of those attending the WEF meeting at Davos.
It includes the ‘FBI-Director’ and the ‘Director-of-National-Intelligence.

Very revealing indeed….

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1612957461882847233

(check out the comments 😛 )
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January 11, 2023 1:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder is Aunty Helen is going again?
  
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  January 11, 2023 2:59pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    It is easier to park a broomstick at Davos than it is a private jet, so they may have extended her a special invitation.
    
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    January 11, 2023 3:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ouch
      
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      January 11, 2023 4:04pm
kevn

@Maggie… A taste of the globalist event gets ’em every time. ardern will be hankering to be there with justin.
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January 11, 2023 1:58pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Despite what Tony Abbott says….Cardinal Pell wont be going to Purgatory.

It’ll be straight to Hell where he belongs 🙁

https://twitter.com/HonTonyAbbott/status/1612967462643040256
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January 11, 2023 2:38pm
- mogg
  
  https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/66FC/production/_107746362_mediaitem107746361.jpg
  All sexual abuse accusations have to be treated with a great deal of scepticism, have you ever heard of Carl Beech?
  
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  January 11, 2023 3:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No, I haven’t. Is he the fat prick in that photo?
    
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    January 11, 2023 3:45pm
    - mogg
      
      Yes that’s him, and he is doing 18 yrs for ruining people’s lives with false accusations of abuse.
      At least two of the accused high profile men died before their names were finally cleared after investigations going on for many years.
      
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      January 11, 2023 4:16pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Whoops – fat finger downtick – apols
        
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        January 11, 2023 7:08pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sexual abuse is rarely reported and rarely investigated. When investigated, alleged offenders are seldom prosecuted, rarely convicted and often lightly punished.
    
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    January 11, 2023 4:38pm
    - mogg
      
      You mean like Peter Ellis?
      
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      January 11, 2023 4:48pm
  - Risi
    
    False accusations are a very small minority compared to truthful ones. And where the Catholic church is concerned what needs to be treated with a great deal of scepticism is denial of such accusations.
    
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    January 11, 2023 4:53pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Are they? How do we know? Most accusations fail to make it to conviction. Lack of evidence, will or credibility are unknown weighting factors.
      
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      January 11, 2023 8:28pm
- kowtow
  
  No way .
  
  That man was the victim of a political show trial in a very corrupt state , Victoria , a state run by a particularly nasty POS , Dictator Dan.
  
  Pell was ultimately vindicated through their judicial system .
  
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  January 11, 2023 5:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  Maggie, I’m surprised you should take such a tack. The whole thing was IMO a Media (ABC) stitch-up.
  I’m not a Catholic but I’m pleased Justice (such as it is) was the winner at the end of the day.
  As you are no doubt aware, politics in Aust is a very, very dirty game, especially when their taxpayer-funded media sets out to destroy people who don’t fit the left-wing’s political mold or the ABCs Witches decide they can score political points for their Labor Party masters.
  
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  January 11, 2023 5:30pm
- MCōs
  
  https://www.instagram.com/p/CnQRuHZhOyR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
  
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  January 11, 2023 7:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

And here is the coverup, which then diverts to Trump again. The right will distort this my left tit.
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/why-the-biden-documents-discovery-is-different-from-trumps-mar-a-lago-case-233119531.html
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January 11, 2023 3:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Does Jaspinda want another Covid Variant so she can “LOCKDOWN”?
You know the answer, but this is what Australia is doing.
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/china-imposes-travel-bans-in-retaliation-to-unacceptable-act-210817471.html
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January 11, 2023 3:16pm
Alex

Good thing those anti Lula people destroyed those ghastly looking modern government buildings in Brazilia, what bad taste they were.
Lula is a crim and should never have qualified to stand for president.
Mostly Bolsonaro supporters arrested in tent city,
Just like what happened in February 222o here with Jacinda.
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January 11, 2023 3:25pm
Alex

At the February protests in NZ, outside parliament in their tent city About 160 were arrested but some have had charges dropped. Herald had sympathetic article on this.
Brazilia has copied NZ in their tent city approach.
Countries south of equator going Communist including N.Z.
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January 11, 2023 3:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Going?
  After November 2023 we will all be Comrades!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:10pm
- MCōs
  
  The protests in Brazil and Washington bore no resemblance to the one here.
  Never would the likes of Russell Coutts, Gilda Kirkpatrick and Winston break down the front door of the House of Representatives or the Supreme Court.
  Some hot heads lit some fires at the end and threw paving stones at the police. They’re probably out smashing jewelers display cabinets another day.
  
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  January 11, 2023 5:19pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    They were mostly FBI plants. The shit is about to hit the fan and the lies about Jan. 6th. 2020 will be exposed.
    
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    January 11, 2023 5:30pm
    - MCōs
      
      “mostly FBI plants”
      
      Would that be Gilda, Russell and Winston, because all the American plants were killed in 9/11?
      
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      January 11, 2023 5:52pm
  - Inandout
    
    MC, like the George Floyd riots and arson, they were merely ‘venting their frustration’.
    
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    January 11, 2023 5:40pm
MCōs

Someone on this forum forecast that last year would be proclaimed the hottest on record ford for NZ.
Turns out they knew what they were talking about, but I doubt if they think NIWA does because it goes against that which the skeptics claim.
I’ll let you fight it out among yourselves.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482221/2022-confirmed-as-country-s-warmest-year-on-record
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January 11, 2023 3:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nice photo at the start. Is that the Ozone hole?
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I’m bemused they state a rise of .2 Degrees when the margin of error on the instruments they use is over .5 Degrees…
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:58pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It doesn’t conflict with my opinion that the earth is warming slowly at about 0.13C/decade. And I count myself a sceptic.
  
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  January 11, 2023 8:32pm
Maggie Pie

Maybe it’s just me, but looks a bit like Pres Biden is so under the control of the CCP he’s slowly transitioning to Asian 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/77HERCULES77/status/1611899093768634368
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January 11, 2023 3:37pm
- MCōs
  
  You’re thinking of John Key
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Funny you should say that Cossie.
    My partner saw an interview with JK recently about NZ’s relations with Chynah and actually commented about his squint.
    
    I thort he probably just needed to go to Specsavers.
    
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    January 11, 2023 5:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is what happens when you drugs. Maybe Joe thought July 6th was his birthday? November comes and happy birthday, Joe said it is not until April 1st.
  Anyway, don’t do drugs.
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    Does that mean Steve that alcohol never passes your lips?
    
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    January 11, 2023 6:09pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Alcohol does, Haloperidol, Amitriptyline and the like don’t.
      
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      January 12, 2023 9:53am
Alex

Starkey on GBN said Hazza had embraced Californian religion which was woke and vortex of self interest. Thought he should be in the Tower as a traitor.
Starkey said there was a new heresy of self absorption and Hazza was stuck in it.
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January 11, 2023 3:42pm
Ghost

Creative writing….

The reliability of Prince Harry’s memoir has been called into question after it emerged ‘facts’ about how he learned about the death of the Queen Mother cannot be accurate.

In his book, Spare, the Duke of Sussex wrote in painstaking detail of the call he received while at Eton, telling him his great grandmother had died on March 30, 2002.

He writes: ‘At Eton, while studying, I took the call. I wish I could remember whose voice was at the other end; a courtier’s I believe. I recall that it was just before Easter, the weather bright and warm, light slanting through my window, filled with vivid colours.’

But resurfaced photographs appear to place the prince in Klosters, Switzerland, the weekend the Queen Mother died.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11620265/Pictures-place-Prince-Harry-Switzerland-Queen-Mother-died-NOT-Eton-recalls.html
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January 11, 2023 4:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The Daily Mail has many specialists in creative writing.
  
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  January 11, 2023 5:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    Sounds like future job opportunities for you when you leave your govt job. But do tell us how a photo showing he was skiing at the time is creative writing, or even the photo of them returning from the holiday after her death
    
    Interesting to also see in his creative writing that Diana gave him an Xbox, pretty amazing considering she died in 1997, first Xbox released in 2001
    
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    January 11, 2023 5:51pm
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      @Ghost… Inconvenient that the internet never forgets.
      Anyway, we will go with just lies rather than creativeness.
      
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      January 11, 2023 6:19pm
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      @Ghost… Plus the Air NZ flight and first class ticket from Mexico to UK harkle talks of… no such flight or service.
      Just lies. Maybe poor memory if you were charitable.
      
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      January 11, 2023 6:39pm
      - Ghost
        
        Or continued drug use…..
        
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        January 11, 2023 6:48pm
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        Air NZ has never had flights to Mexico.
        
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        January 11, 2023 9:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh – you Public Sector employees. The price of drinkies has gone up, so take extra money for your craft beer shandy before jumping on the train…..
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January 11, 2023 4:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I can only hope that generous pay rises this year will compensate for price rises in essential such as beer and pies.
  Mine’s a chardonnay though, thanks.
  
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  January 11, 2023 4:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jack Daniels for me, and the Net Taxpayer does not pay for it……
    
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    January 11, 2023 4:52pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Tried any NZ-made bourbon?
      
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      January 11, 2023 5:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jack Daniels is Sour Mash Whisky not Bourbon
        
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        January 12, 2023 9:55am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh Nancy, always squeaky clean ……
https://billingsreport.com/new-proof-that-nancy-pelosi-is-more-responsible-for-january-6th-riot-than-president-trump/
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