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graham

Kudos to the Herald for running a story about the Parliament Protests that, for once, doesn’t follow the ‘anti-vax violent conspiracy theorist loonies‘ narrative that has been so heavily pushed by our media.

‘I’m not a criminal, I’m a regular person’: Charges dropped against Parliament protester

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-protests-charges-dropped-for-some-after-month-long-occupation/LN773X6BEFGSJGIN4HN5O4VD3U/

When Susan Denham stood in court after being arrested during the Parliament protests, she told the judge she was just a regular person.

“I’m not a criminal, I’m a regular person who just wants peace and normality.”

But within days of arriving in Wellington, this 41-year-old lady was arrested, taken into custody and charged with wilful trespass. Six months after her arrest, she was notified via email that her charge had been dropped.

She said hers was not an isolated example and many of those arrested alongside her have had their charges withdrawn.

In statistics provided to Open Justice by police, 160 people who were arrested between February 9 and March 4 have since had their charges withdrawn.

So from a total number of 253 people charged “in relation to protest activity”, 160 have since had their charges withdrawn. That’s well over half; in fact it’s getting on for two-thirds. Funny how you don’t hear about this whenever the protests are referred to in the media!

Denham, who was vaccinated before attending the protests, said a number of people at the protest had their own agendas, from conspiracy theorists or MAGA (Make America Great Again) supporters.

However, her cause was simple.

“For me, it wasn’t personal it wasn’t about the mandates… I went there for other people who couldn’t afford to lose their jobs.”

So she wasn’t an anti-vaxxer, contrary to the narrative we have been fed.

Refreshing to see a story in the Herald that doesn’t just follow the typical MSM narrative for once.
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January 10, 2023 8:00am
- Loddenthinks
  
  So not so much a “river of filth” but well-meaning, principled people prepared to put their lives on hold to stand up for what’s right, and to speak truth to power.
  
  And they were rewarded with infantile behaviour from the worst Speaker in history and the full force of the state – which has now quietly dropped all charges against more than 60% of those arrested.
  
  It’s little wonder 11 police resigned in disgust at how the protestors were treated, and no you won’t read about that in the MSM.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Loddenthinks – on my first day there I came across 8 or 9 people with T-shirts on sitting on steps down to the main camp. The T-shirts said they were former police officers, mandated out of their jobs.
    It was a pleasure to shake every one of their hands. Principled, decent human beings.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You won’t read about that in the MSM either.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:02am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    You are following the fallacy of the excluded middle. The protestors were not a coherent body – not all anti-vax conspiracy theorists and not all protesting nobly and peacefully. It was a grab-bag of different causes.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:34am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      No one ever claimed they were, red herring.
      
      But the overwhelming majority were there originally to protest the mandates.
      
      But its OK milky, your tacit acknowledgement that you support forced medical experiments and the usurping of BoRA means you’ll be amongst the first when the revolution comes.
      
      Never waste a good crisis, even if you have to manufacture it.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:48am
    - burt
      
      It was a grab-bag of different causes.
      
      Many different people are effected by medical tyranny in different ways and many were there protesting the complete overreach of the socialist command and control government.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:51am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      And you sir are following the fallacy of the excluded milky.
      
      The protestors were united in opposing the Government overreach on vaccine mandates and other rights and freedoms.
      
      As you say they were not politically unified – nor were they treated respectfully by any party in parliament – but that doesn’t mean they can be dismissed so readily. While your bias doesn’t allow you to acknowledge it, the numbers at parliament only represent a small number of the total who share the same concerns at the way the pandemic has been handled. To many of us it is immoral that people were forced to make the choice to take a medical treatment or lose their job. Time will tell where this concern and dissatisfaction will find a home.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:01am
    - cmm
      
      Clutching at straws there mma?
      
      We started off with: “River of filth”.
      
      Then it gets pointed out that many people are certainly not filth and it becomes “well there was possibly some filth in there”, then diluted to “maybe there are a few cattle in the catchment area”.
      
      I suspect that if you took those people and compared them with a cross section of NZ population you would find them being less racist, less criminal and generally nicer people to be around than the general NZ population.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:05am
      - Random T Person
        
        Absolutely, cmm. And have you noticed how bennies, mobsters, young labour rapists, general criminals, feckless and violent youth, get ‘wrap around support’ and cuddles, while a cross section of ordinary good bloke Kiwis (yes I was there…and being a former journo and current writer, I know how to engage and most certainly did) were described as a river of filth?
        If that doesn’t make you angry…
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:40pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      milky – you constantly hurl abuse at all of those who attended. You know nothing about events there other than what you read or saw in corrupt mainstream media outlets.
      Yes, there were various causes represented there, that will ALWAYS happen in a protest of that size.
      
      But the one thing they were united in was ending the mandates and passes and getting rid of the segregated society that Ardern deliberately created. And she sniggered when asked about it.
      
      “That’s what it is, so yip, yip.”
      
      Those who weren’t “protesting nobly” – (whatever the fuck that means) – were a tiny minority.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:06am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Collective punishment is a breach of the Geneva Convention.//
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:15am
    - Prince
      
      So what ? Why did the PM who said she would ‘govern for every New Zealander’ refuse to meet with them. At least she could have offered to meet a delegation. But no, she shut herself off in her little tower surrounded by her cringing adherents and media fanboys.
      Poorly advised or just her own error, she gave up the high ground right there, and she’s not getting it back.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:52am
    - Hollyfield
      
      “A grab-bag of different causes”? How can that be? The Government at the time called it a protest of anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, “a river of filth”, and white supremacists.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:03am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Milky: “It was a grab-bag of different causes.”
      
      Yes that’s the way NZ lefty boot-lickers of the braindead MSM would describe it.
      
      Those not infected with the woke brain rotting virus would describe it as a good cross section of NZ society. I know ‘normies” who went there and they described it as a broad cross section expressing their utter disgust at this vile attempt at a government.
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:49pm
    - Random T Person
      
      Were you there, Mike? I was. So I disagree with you on the basis of primary evidence.
      
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      January 10, 2023 2:37pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    The article also talks about the number of police requiring counselling after the protests due to psychological issues. Can’t help thinking that most of this harm is created by knowing the stance you are enforcing is morally reprehensible.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:36am
    - Simon
      
      Zero covid nutjob political class flushed away so called human rights away in a second. The hatred they directed towards the unjaxxed was disgusting with all the cattle joining in.
      
      2021 vaxx campaign a low point for NZ. It exposed the useless, shameful and dishonest govt. The censorship, gas lighting, hatred, the easy termination of human rights. How quick they were to divide society.
      
      Many were forced into the injecting the warp speed jungle juice. Even when it was already apparent by the second half of 2021 to have failed in its stated purpose. Politically NZ will never recover. Just look at those clowns and all the cattle.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Pineapple Lumps – I helped with food delivery.
      
      On one morning when the police did their regular trick of stopping our access to the serving area, (just to make things difficult) – I managed to engage with a young officer.
      He was initially reluctant. Looking ahead, not looking me in the eye. Early 30s. I’m picking they were under instruction to stay distant.
      
      Anyway, I started by saying to him, ” you do know I really don’t want to be here? I’m over 60 years of age. I have a wife and young daughter. I live in a beautiful part of the country. This is the last place I want to be.”
      
      He asked me where I was from, when I told him he became quite animated and told me how he had awesome memories of a visit with his family when he was younger. I said, now can you understand why I really don’t want to be here and that I was doing it because I was really concerned about the direction Ardern was taking our country in. That I was devastated that people were being turned against each other deliberately.
      
      When the food access was finally permitted, I was going back to the vehicle and had to go around the concrete blocks. I had a co driver with me. I offered the young policeman my hand. He paused, but shook it.
      To my disbelief, he quietly said: “thank you for everything you are doing.”
      
      My co driver and I walked towards our vehicle in silence. He turned to me as we approached the van and said – “did he just say what I think he said?”
      I replied “I think he did, I’m sure he did.”
      
      It was one of the most uplifting moments during what was often a trying and distressing period.
      It is a 100% true story.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Control goes all the way to the top. Yip, yip.
        Nice comment by that young Policeman.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:22am
    - Random T Person
      
      My policeman mate from Te Anau wasn’t at the protest, but he assured me that the people there were troublemakers and trash. So I brought him up to speed. He insisted they were trash – so I said, well, I am trash too, then.
      Used to be a very good mate, that chap.
      
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      January 10, 2023 2:43pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    When this is all over I hope the people who were fired for refusing the vax are fairly compensated.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That hasn’t happened and we’ve “all moved on”.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:48am
      - kiwimike
        
        No, we haven’t and we are going to show it at the next election !
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:56pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I hope the policeman clearly filmed felling an old man with a punch is one day identified and charged. I won’t hold my breath but if the police force would like to reconnect with the public and distance themselves from Arderns regime it would be a good place to start.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:24am
      - KiwiSapper
        
        “…if the police force would like to reconnect with the public and distance themselves from Ardern….
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        NOTHING is forgotten…………………..The stench of treachery is still strong.
        
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        January 10, 2023 1:40pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “So not so much a “river of filth” but well-meaning, principled people prepared to put their lives on hold to stand up for what’s right, and to speak truth to power.”
    
    +10.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:46am
  - Nickc2
    
    All this, and Mallard’s not in court for inciting riotous behaviour? As far as I know, if turning sprinklers on peaceful protesters and subjecting them to loud music to prevent sleep isn’t inciting riotous behavior, I don’t know what is.
    Surely, if Joe Blogs did this, he’d be up before the Beak eh?
    PS: Convince me that our Police and Judiciary are free of Govt influence/interference.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:01am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Parliament is a rule unto itself. For the actions ex Trevor, only Parliament can pass judgment.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:05am
      - Nickc2
        
        Are you suggesting that Speakers of the House can do whatever they like as far as criminal behaviour goes on Parliamentary Grounds and only Parliament can pass judgment? Aren’t they subject to the laws of the country?
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:29am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Nick – I think that’s more or less the case, when it comes to control of the Parliamentary precinct.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:54pm
    - Bob
      
      Mallard has been rewarded for years of subservient support of inept government(s); with a plum diplomatic post
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:10am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        Knighthood to come? What a joke.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:12pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mallard was under the impression that everyone loves Barry Manilow.
      His taste is in his boots.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:25am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Must have been a fan of The Young Ones.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:50am
    - Hollyfield
      
      Mallard acted like a 14 year old girl in a Hollywood “mean girls” teen movie trying to one-up her arch-rival in the school corridors.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:05am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Mallard’s not in court
      
      You could always set up a givealittle page to fund a private prosecution ……
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:48pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Hasn’t givealitlle caved to woke fascist censorship? Or was that just gofundme?
        
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        January 10, 2023 1:52pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Is that your best shot? If so, [Mod – no need for that]
        The court of public opinion has found he was a devious, biased, and pissed-with-power speaker totally unbecoming of the role to which he was appointed by a corrupt PM and Political Party.
        If Labour didn’t have the numbers in Parliament, he would just be another has-been List Politician looking for a job.
        
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        January 10, 2023 5:02pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  graham – I was there for 10 days. The vast majority of people there were the same. The media vilification of protesters at the behest of Ardern was nauseating.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    I didn’t need any damn politician or the media to tell me what to think of that trespassing, obstructionst rabble choking Thorndon and making life miserable for residents and businesses.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:36am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Sometimes I give you the benefit of the doubt [ Mod : yawn .. so leave off the personal abuse ]
      
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      December 10, 2022 9:11am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Agreed.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Hear hear, what that man said.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:28am
      - Dougal10
        
        He will sneak back to this thread late tonight or tomorrow and make more rude comments about posters he doesn’t agree with ,just to satisfy his ego about getting the last word in.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:02pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mod he deserved every bit of it and you know it. Where was your rebuke of his obnoxious comment that triggered my response? “trespassing, obstructionist rabble?”
        
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        January 10, 2023 6:47pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      The cause was noble, and in support of a brighter future, while your strained, tantrum-like objections are as pathetic as you are odious.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:49am
    - burt
      
      Do you have any care for the low wage workers who lost their jobs because they refused to have a vaccine that didn’t stop them catching or spreading the virus?
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:52am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Let alone the high paid workers. They had more to lose!
        
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        January 10, 2023 6:40pm
    - I remember when
      
      “I didn’t need any damn politician or the media to tell me what to think of that”
      Pray tell. How do you find out what was happening – visited?
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:15am
      - burt
        
        I may be proven wrong but I would bet that mikenmildagain didn’t visit, dear leader didn’t agree with the protest so mikenmildagain wouldn’t agree with it – it really will be that simple.
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Telegraph Pidgeon
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:29am
    - RightNow
      
      Get boosted!
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:51am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      ‘Choking Thorndon’? Are you even familiar with the place? There are plenty of roads and footpaths through Thorndon that bypass the protest area.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:07am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Oh yes, I am very familiar with getting around Thorndon while avoiding Lambton Quay, the bus station, Molesworth St, Hill St and Kate Sheppard Pl, or reluctantly walking through the rabble obstructing such thoroughfares.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:54am
    - rouppe
      
      So no doubt you hold the following in the same contempt:
      * School strike for climate (choked Lambton Quay)
      * Extinction rebellion (obstructed access to office buildings)
      * Save Our Rail, or whoever that mob is (closed motorways)
      
      All of whom made lives miserable for those trying to go about their business .
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:53pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        All who exceed the bounds of reasonable and lawful protest.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:23pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Mike – please set out your definition of reasonable protest.
        
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        January 10, 2023 6:41pm
      - graham
        
        And exactly who gets to decide what constitutes ‘reasonable’ protest, mikenmildagain?
        
        The politicians who refused to even give these people the courtesy of at least listening to them?
        
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        January 10, 2023 7:33pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      But you’d support far left twits doing the same.
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:54pm
  - KH
    
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    I am perfectly happy folk turn up outside Parliament and make their point. Throw a tanty, or have an event for the afternoon, if they like.
    But then tidy up and leave by 5pm.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:51am
    - burt
      
      So protesting must be on your terms? Are you a Labour voter who thinks the government are more important than the people?
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:04am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s the most inane comment of the year so far. Congratulations.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:12am
    - Muttonbird
      
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      It was the direct plumbing into the mains under the street that sealed the fate of the protest. Had they not done that, the outcome might have been peaceful, and the protesters might be looked at in a better light now.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:32am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Muttonbird – no it wasn’t.
        
        It was obvious 10 days out that the tactic was going to be increase pressure, psychological, physical, tighten the noose and provoke some sort of reaction. The riot police were equipped and just waiting for the signal.
        Ardern was NEVER going to let this end with negotiations. She was NEVER going to let people think she gave in. It meant the only possible outcome had to be the forced expulsion, they had to create the circumstances and they did.
        
        The toilet block was neither here nor there in the scheme of things, other than a signal to Ardern that people weren’t going anywhere. That would have driven her nuts and she would have demanded the rabble be removed.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:00am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      So what about Maori protestors who occupy private land for months 24/7 and run an extortion racket on the Government? Is that fine?
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/17/ihumatao-sacred-site-bought-by-new-zealand-government-for-30m
      
      Those folk at Parliament were at their wits end, many having lost their livelihoods by facing vaccine mandates for a vaccine that, literally, did not stop transmission of the virus.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:40am
      - cmm
        
        But BY, they did send in the cops on the Ihumatao people…. carrying guitars!
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:32am
      - burt
        
        Not only did the vaccine not stop people catching and spreading covid, its side effects also made many people quite sick, myself included. My Dr filed a CARM report for what it did to me and also while working through the various troubles it caused me advised me to make sure my affairs were in order given the nature of how it was effecting me.
        
        There are many stories like mine that the media are not allowed to repeat because it may create “vaccine hesitancy” which is a new crime we had to stop to protect Pfizer’s best interests.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:57am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Sorry to hear that Burt.
        
        The other thing that gets me – the collateral damage to long standing vaccination programs for children. The MMR vaccine works and has a 50 year track record. Childhood vaccination rates have fallen. I suspect because many parents are now triggered when they hear “vaccine”.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:26am
      - burt
        
        Benedict
        
        Having lived through the experience of multiple adverse reactions starting the same day as my second shot (and they then developed further over the next two weeks) and having had to fight with the Dr. to have it recorded as a vaccine side effect I now have no trust at all in other vaccines.
        
        As an example, I use to scoff at people who claimed autism was a vaccine side effect but after the battle I had to get the direct consequences of the covid vax acknowledged – I now wonder just how many other “modern” illnesses are caused by the plethora of other shots we are given through childhood and teenage years.
        
        My health may never be the same, I have friends who are now permanently on heart medication after the jab, my troubles were more new and exciting auto immune disorders. We really have no idea what the mRNA shots are doing to people but two things are certain – they are not stopping us catching covid and they are not stopping us getting really sick from covid when we catch it. Both these things were used to justify mandates. But why?
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:37am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        [Mod – when someone is talking about their health problems either learn compassion or shut up, don’t do your normal sarcastic trolling]
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:57am
      - krazykiwi
        
        burt, really sorry to hear about your vax-caused health issues. I have no idea of the efficacy of this I-Recover post-vaccine protocol, but I used their I-Prevent protocol and had very mild Covid symptoms.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:17pm
      - burt
        
        krazykiwi
        
        Cheers for the link. After I changed doctors I received a similar protocol. It is refreshing that not all doctors have sold out to Pfizer.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:56pm
      - rouppe
        
        @kk
        
        Ivermectin, which has potent anti-inflammatory properties, binds to the spike protein and aids in its elimination.
        
        Interesting, isn’t it, that the official medical advice is that it is a de-wormer or to treat parasitic infections.
        
        I’ve read elsewhere that it has other attributes but they’re never reported in NZ
        
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        January 10, 2023 1:03pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ah yes BY, I had for a moment forgotten about them (not enough caffeine in my veins yet).
        
        That’s check mate Milky. Thank you for trying. Maybe try again in a year’s time. 😝
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:32am
    - kiwimike
      
      KH
      I agree, though I think 9-6 is better, with no tents or other kit like that.
      Nor digging or interfering with the grounds.
      
      I was there for half a day and thought it was well run and peaceful.
      I was very disapointed by the politicians esp ACT.
      Seymour had been doing well supporting our basic freedoms. Then he fcked it up completely.
      
      I wasn’t onboard with Mandates but after consideration from some convos there, changed my mind.
      
      1-I think the mandates should be rescinded.
      2-People/Workers reinstated.
      3-Compensation made.
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:04pm
    - coge
      
      Dehumanization, segregation and persecution of a large group of citizens isn’t acceptable to the people of NZ. “Tidy up and leave by five” Yeah, right!
      
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      January 10, 2023 4:12pm
  - Nickc2
    
    More than that, what she and her ministers said amounted to Hate Speech (especially Michael Wood) eh?
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:38am
- kowtow
  
  No , it was actually very uninformative .
  
  No reason given for charges dropped .
  She spent a lot of time in custody for charges to simply be dropped and us not to be told why.
  
  So quite vague and then the story descends subtly into a description of how violent the protest was .
  
  ‘Her efforts were futile with protesters hurling bricks at police’
  “I could see in some people’s eyes that some could be violent” ( what a rare gift )
  
  ‘She didn’t condone the violence .’
  
  This leads very neatly , subtly even to the average thicker reader being directed to what is the actual , real purpose of the story as it concludes with 4 paragraphs giving details of numbers of injured and psychologically damaged police . The real victims you see .
  
  $55 million buys a lot of support for the regime in our debased , embarassing and uninformative so called fourth estate.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:40am
  - peterwn
    
    Police and Crown Law realise that they have bigger fish to fry (and court resources would be better utilised elsewhere). The point has been made so why flog a dead horse. I suspect most involved will heave a sigh of relief that they would not be subject to any more expense and stress. If Susan is still upset she can try and sue the Crown for wrongful detention or complain to the IPCA.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:02am
    - cmm
      
      No, I doubt there was ever any intention to prosecute or valid grounds to hold people. Instead it was a deliberate move to threaten people.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:35am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Modern govt tactics against the little people who resist their will – the process (that seldom results in any conviction) with all it’s costs and threats, is the punishment.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:42am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Agreed CMM – how many lost cases would it take to highlight that the Police was heavy handed and unlawful? They lost the Winston Peters one.
        
        I would suggest 10-20 cases lost would start to look bad – especially in an election year.
        
        No much better to withdraw charges and start messaging that it’s to prevent unnecessary waste of time and resources.
        
        Police constantly tell us their job is to take the case demanded by the law. The judiciary are responsible for the outcome. So why not in this case – the most vile case of protesting ever in NZ history.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:49am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s Ardern’s M.O. Smile, wave, if you do what she says that’s fine. If you don’t you’ll be humiliated, punished, coerced or ultimately beaten. She’s a sick individual.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:39am
      - peterwn
        
        Pineapple – Winston used similar tactics against some public servants and ex ministers and lost hands down. Crown was awarded $300k against him. I would dearly love to know if he paid or if the AG told Crown Law to lay off collecting.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:12pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        peterwn – the Winston case I was referring to was the one related to the protests not the one you refer to from 7 years ago. You will recall the Trespass notice he was served by Trevor Mallard – the one that was found to be illegal and Mallard was required to apologise for but was too petty to do that so the new Speaker apologised instead. Not the case from 7 years ago where he alleged Nats etc had leaked his private superannuation information.
        
        So my point stands that for many of the protestors arrests the actions taken by the police were legally contentious and would have further damaged their and the Governments brands if they went on a big losing streak in the courts. They haven’t dropped all the cases to not waste resources so will continue to prosecute the cases that are clear cut.
        
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        January 10, 2023 4:29pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Instead it was a deliberate move to threaten people.
        
        It’s called lawfare. The authorities won’t win in court but if they can:
        – arrest people, preferably publicly so the MSM can slime them also…
        – drag people through the courts to bleed them of money….
        – Throw so much shit against the wall that you can force people to “confess” to lesser crimes….
        
        … then you “win”. It’s the Jan 6 FBI/DOJ format, but not as harshly applied. [Mod – no need for comments like that]
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:11pm
    - kowtow
      
      My opinion is the fish they didn’t want fried was their own arses .
      
      Innocent citizens protesters were pulled out of the peaceful crowd ( assaulted) and then unlawfully detained / kidnapped by the Crown / Crown agents , possibly acting under the instructions of the Speaker .
      
      Those people had a right to be there on that lawn.
      
      A right established in the courts following the arrest and charging of the likes of Mallard himself and Hipkins a few decades ago.
      
      How would the Establishment look when /if those protesters ran a defence along those lines and Te Media Pardy were forced to cover the proeedings ?
      
      Meanwhile the Crown had so much resources at its disposal it was assisting unlawful roadblocks run on race grounds in another part of the country.
      
      Something the C of Police incorrectly called policing by consent.
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:47pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    When the police turn up one morning in riot gear it was pretty obvious that on that particular day ,unlike the previous mornings, they had decided there would be a riot.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:38am
    - peterwn
      
      Ordinary people were sick and tired of having their lives disrupted. Bus services were disrupted and commuters faced a long walk from the station to the nearest temporary bus stop. Local businesses were being abused and intimidated. The bookshop in Rutherford House was forced out of business permanently causing students significant inconvenience – they have to Kelburn for their text books and course notes.
      The general public mood was for the nonsense to be terminated. When the Police did descend on the protesters, they allowed anyone who chose to leave to go peacefully.
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:20pm
      - kowtow
        
        Funny how when we support a particular demonstration / cause the apologists will often say ;
        
        Yes but democracy is messy .
        
        When we don’t like the protest / cause / etc then they’re a “river of filth” , a rabble , unruly , disruptive etc
        
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        January 10, 2023 1:40pm
      - burt
        
        Ordinary people were sick and tired of having their lives disrupted.
        
        Yes they were, they were fired for not having a vaccine that wouldn’t stop them catching or spread9ing the virus. They were not allowed in restaurants because they hadn’t had the vaccine that wouldn’t stop them catching or spreading the virus.
        
        Or are you ignoring those thousands of people from all over the country and all you are thinking about is the hardship that 2 pubs and 1 coffee shop were closed to people who had vaccine passports?
        
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        January 10, 2023 1:43pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        peterwn
        Even if you listed all of the very many cases of people surrounding the area who had to close offices or businesses, or move house, or put up with daily harassment, these apologists for rent-a-mob would still claim it was all justified.
        Remember, a lot of these amateur epidemiologists sounding off on a blog have nothing but contempt for Wellington and all its inhabitants. Their visit to our lovely capital no doubt felt exciting and dramatic to them and fed their sense of entitlement to do whatsoeve4r they wanted.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:29pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @mikenmildagain
        
        …no doubt felt exciting and dramatic to them and fed their sense of entitlement to do whatsoever they wanted.
        
        The reason the public were protesting was primarily because the govt was acting on their sense of entitlement to do whatsoever they wanted. And trampling with Jackboots all over the public in the process.
        
        If you will not stand for freedom when it is under attack over mandates, job losses, and vaccine deaths and injuries, what/when will make you stand for freedom?
        
        What would make you get out in the street and protest?
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:18pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Too much blame has been directed at the protestors and nowhere near enough at the politicians.
        
        I mean seriously you would equate locals loss of convenience and disruption as more important than the right to protest for the right not to be coerced into a medical treatment without loss of a lifelong career, not being able to pay mortgage and losing your house. How Marie Antoinette of you!
        
        In the 80’s when rural NZ was upset at the closure of hospitals in regional centres, the Labour health minister of the day travelled to protests and talked to large angry crowds. That was Helen Clark. I don’t like HC but admire her backbone to front her decisions.
        
        The blame for the parliamentary protest becoming entrenched lies with Jacinda et al. They passed heavy handed laws, didn’t bother to go and talk to NZers and hear their grievances. No instead they ignored them and rode roughshod over them until their only option was to take their voices to parliament grounds. Once there they were vilified and further ignored.
        
        Time to lay the blame for this where it fairly belongs!
        
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        January 10, 2023 4:46pm
    - Keith White
      
      And they (Coster’s Patched Gang) provided supporting actors and actresses.
      
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      January 11, 2023 12:57am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Neomarxist fascist regimes around the world quite often make the process the punishment.
    
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    January 10, 2023 2:02pm
- WaynelSexton
  
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  The real protest were the people going to stores everyday without a mask and turning up to their workplaces and saying no to the vaccine.
  This vaccinated women who yelled at an empty government building for a week accomplished nothing but make the unvaccinated look bad.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:57am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Wayne – who benefits from divisions between those opposed to the erosion of freedoms? Don’t forget our media is heavily biased to the left and so we have censorship by their complicity.
    
    The real protest is all of these things – the not wearing of masks, saying no to vaccines, refusing to buy into vaccine passports, kids missing out on sports, not going to cafes, attending protests in the domain, marching across the bridge, protesting at parliament grounds etc etc
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:10am
    - WaynelSexton
      
      “The media is heavily biased”
      No s***
      
      So why did you think standing in front of them for two weeks would somehow change minds? All it did was give them endless propaganda.
      All you had to do was take off the mask, which most people were doing in the last month, before the end of the mandates.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Big brave Police. Now, what about sorting out the gangs?
  Nope, fuck that, they have guns.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:00am
  - blue collar
    
    Even if gangs didn’t hv guns or knives …. Hv you seen the state of our police ‘ force’ …. Bunch of lightweight Sheila’s n wowsers who the average joe would flatten in a fist fight .
    So much woke crap in the office the ones that can make a difference aren’t allowed to .
    It’s all up to the armed offenders squad now .
    Even prison wardens .
    If an inmate bashes a guard I’d like to think they get dragged into a cell and get totally worked over .
    Same with police .
    But oh no , wowsers rule .
    Fight fire with fire or just give up and leave it to the public
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Police have been forced into the current situation imo.
      Police in offices calling the shot on what can and can not be done.
      It goes all the way to the top – Cuddles Coster.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:46am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Gas anyone actually seen or heard from Cuddles of late.?
        
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        January 10, 2023 8:31pm
  - kowtow
    
    And friends in high office.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:26am
- Surely Knott
  
  Herald drops a truth bomb just before fauci files are due to drop this week. Parliamentary protestors turns out we’re almost exclusively peaceful, the charges which the media claimed were brought against people they called violent conspiracy theorists and NZs most likely terrorists were all dropped, only one court determined outcome and the outcome was not guilty, not a single one of the serious accusations made by the media:political class is backed by the courts. Now police seeking mental health support no doubt due to being forced to do things they knew were wrong and to perform Mass arrests that it seemed wouldn’t hold up in court.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:14am
- coge
  
  I attended the protest on day one and the third Wednesday. Had never protested before. It was a very large mixed bag of New Zealanders. The types you can depend on when things are heading south. The best that NZ can be. They were largely unified and cared for one another. At the time I was fully vaxxed. I was simply of the belief that dehumanization, segregation and persecution of our citizens didn’t belong in NZ. These were the very acts being perpetuated by our elected ruling classes gazing out of their windows. The very people we had elected to lead us. Their fully compliant opposition, and paid off media. And various other state apparatus.
  
  It’s refreshing to see this beginning to be widely acknowledged.
  
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  January 10, 2023 3:59pm
peterwn

A recent Australian defamation case has shown that blog and social media (including Kiwiblog) contributors need to be careful in what they say to avoid being accused of defamation. A Kiwi resident in NZ tweeted claiming that an Australian businessman was involved in stock ‘pump and dump’ schemes etc but did not have evidence to back his claims. The Australian court awarded the victim $A275000 damages but it will cost the Kiwi much more than that all up. What is worse the victim can apply to a NZ court to force the payment of damages and costs and all things equal would succeed.
Victim could well have tried to sue Twitter as well, but would have been up against Twitter’s large financial resources. But if that Kiwi had made similar claims on Kiwiblog it could have caused significant costs and difficulties to Kiwiblog and to mitigate these the contributor would have had to be thrown under a bus with Kiwiblog turning over the contributors ID details. So people need to be careful with what they say.
The Businessdesk article is paywalled but this Australian Financial Review article (not paywalled) gives quite a good commentary on this.
https://www.afr.com/chanticleer/stock-swami-leaves-a-dirty-stain-on-citizen-journalism-20230109-p5cbbn
The Australian judgment is here:
https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2023/2023fca0001
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January 10, 2023 8:01am
- Mike H S
  
  In essence I agree. I have never thought that the news media should be allowed to tell lies and should always be held to account. Slightly different as this particular example is not necessarily defamation but, it all comes down to telling lies.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It would be great if the same principles applied to politicians and journalists.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:35am
  - MCōs
    
    You can sue those people any time you want.
    Just make sure you have your fact straight.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:57am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      MCōs – I’m not particularly well off financially and I don’t have access to taxpayer money to fight a protracted legal battle.
      Especially in what appears to be a more and more compromised legal system.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:18am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Write to the media council:
        https://www.mediacouncil.org.nz/
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Write to be duly fobbed off by another woke activism infested body?
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:06pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Or just complain in another echo chamber in the blogosphere.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:32pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        milky – at least in the blogosphere you have a chance to have your voice heard and often some very good responses. For and against whatever is being put forward.
        Not a chance of that with the media council. I’ve tried numerous times. A complete joke. About as sincere a response as the “consultation” the government often does before ramming another piece of shit legislation through under “urgency.”
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:59pm
      - Mike
        
        LOL – a serial complainant to the media council. The staff there will love you -complaints like yours mean they ha e a job abd an entertaining one at that 😄
        
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        January 10, 2023 5:35pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Not a chance of that with the media council. I’ve tried numerous times. A complete joke.
        
        Bloody hell. You still believe. I’m sorry to hear that.
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:28pm
  - peterwn
    
    Politicians are protected by Parliamentary Privilege with what they say in the House. Journalists are protected with respect to not disclosing their sources but they and their media are still otherwise subject to defamation laws.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:06am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That judgement is very interesting. I see the Judge is not above inserting his own asides into the commentary either, seems like he has a sense of humour.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:56am
  - peterwn
    
    Rather like the Australian 501 tribunal who delivered a burn when the potential deportee’s lawyer said that he might join a gang if he was returned to NZ.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:13am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Don’t have a problem with this at all. If you wouldn’t say it in public, why should you get to hide behind a social media company (potentially under a psuedo-name)? The good news is, that if a case is bought by a plaintiff, then they better be sure that the defendant actually doesn’t have the information! Also, with defamation, there is an “honest opinion” defence in NZ.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:03am
  - peterwn
    
    The Kiwi guy made claims that could not be justified rather than honest opinions. If he knew what he was doing he could have skewered the Aussie guy without defaming him.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:24pm
- Philview
  
  I often think it would be rather embarrassing to tell the wife I am being sued for comments left on a political blog so I try to be careful. There has been the odd occasion where it has been tempting to share rumours but just too risky.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mods take care of anything that could mean Kiwiblog and DPF sued.
    Comment deleted and commenter gets a warning or a holiday, sometimes permanent. Pretty good job really.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:53am
    - peterwn
      
      That became an unfortunate necessity when presumably Kiwiblog had a close shave with some aggrieved person. It would have probably required serious grovelling and payment of some $ to stop the matter being taken further. DPF would have had some serious explaining to do to the better half if he were bankrupted over a Kiwiblog incident.
      
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      January 10, 2023 2:36pm
    - Stephen Russell
      
      I’m sure the mods do a great job. But it is still possible that something slips through. And sometimes the danger is not obvious. So better to not defame people in the first place!
      
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      January 10, 2023 3:05pm
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Special holidays in two of the King’s possessions today:
Margaret Thatcher Day in the Falkland Islands and
Majority Rule Day in the Bahamas.
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- Spam
  
  Majority Rule? Surely democracy can be a bit more sophisticated than that!
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:04am
  - NK
    
    Democracy is different now according to Willie Jackson. We’ll need reminding of Majority Rules day in a few years once our apartheid policies come into effect.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:08am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Tyranny of the majority?
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:12am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Billions have died over the last 10 Millenia at the hands of tyrannical minorities. Democracy is vastly superior in maximizing human happiness with low body count, and Willie Jackson and his regressive team of racist neo-aristocrat wannabes are cordially invited to go fornicate themselves.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        See:
        http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
        It is an eyeopener.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:10am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      NK – we’ll be sighing and talking about “the good old days” before very long.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:20am
      - Paulus
        
        These are the Good Old Days – mark it and remember !
        
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        January 10, 2023 8:38am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The good old days weren’t always good
        And tomorrow ain’t as bad as it seems
        – Billy Joel
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:03pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        If you can’t see the dystopian nightmare we are stumbling into you have rocks in your head.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sorry, I can’t help being optimistic about the future. But I can understand that NZers ‘exiled’ to some hellhole might feel differently from those of us living in this south pacific paradise.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:34pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Milky the clown show have reduced NZ to a basket case. Those having fun on the gravy train do so on the tax payers’ maxed out credit card.
        
        Australia has genuinely been the “lucky country” for a good long while. It was genuinely the place for second chances. Aus “Labor”, the fake independents (The Teals) and the green blob are busily setting about destroying that.
        
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        January 10, 2023 5:06pm
  - pdm
    
    Spam – we used to have Majority Rules in New Zealand and then MMP came along.
    
    Now we are fighting against Minority Rule – you know when 16%/17% of the population takes over,
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:18am
    - KH
      
      16%/17% of the population won’t get to rule. Ordinary Maori won’t get a look in on this co-governance.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        See my comment below on co-governance.
        There is an explanation of where the money is going, by a Maori Forensic Accountant.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:13am
    - MCōs
      
      We never had majority rule in the god old days, except 1951.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:59am
    - blue collar
      
      Got majority rules now and it’s fucked us with a lunatic in charge .
      Brenda makes mmp look saintly
      
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      January 10, 2023 2:39pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Interestingly, Margaret Thatcher’s party could not get a majority of votes cast in any general election during her time as conservative party leader.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:29am
    - NK
      
      But they won a majority of the seats.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:31am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Due to an electoral system designed to exclude minority voices.
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:45am
- peterwn
  
  Yes, the Iron Lady is the Falkland Islanders’ hero. The previous British Labour Government was about to give the Falklands to the Argies which would have been a complete disaster for the islanders since their lands would have been dispossessed and handed to cronies of Argentina’s leaders. The Governor of the Falklands (he was a Foreign Office staffer seconded to the job) took a deep interest in the Island’s affairs and persuaded Margaret Thatcher not to cede the islands to the Argies. He became a lifelong friend and advocate for the islanders.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Interestingly, had the Argentinians waited just a few more months (which they couldn’t due to domestic crises) the British would have lacked the ability to send a carrier task force.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:31am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I have watched a couple of documentaries on the war. The British victory was quite a close run thing.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:55am
    - peterwn
      
      The objective was to draw popular attention to the ’cause’ and away from their domestic crises.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:16am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        peterwn – agreed. Both Galtieri and Thatcher were under the pump at home politically. It was a convenient distraction.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:44am
  - Ian Boag
    
    would have been a complete disaster for the islanders
    
    All 2000 of them – less than Dannevirke. One hates to think what the cost per islander was … Would have been cheaper to move them to the UK and give every family a free house and 5 years on the dole.
    
    But I guess it was their call.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:04am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      But what about the sheep, Ian? No one ever thinks about the sheep.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:11am
      - blue collar
        
        Ewe must be joking … sheep in a war sounds rather baaabarous 😅
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:36pm
    - peterwn
      
      The UK Government cannot treat the Falklanders like a bunch of chattels. Anyway the United Nations should be ascertaining the real wishes of the Falklanders with regard to their future so there is no need for the UK to continue defending the Falklands against the Argies. But the UN would be too spineless to uphold the rights of the Falklands people.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:22am
      - Bullion
        
        The UK Government has treated its own citizens worse than what was suggested. The UK Govt expelled Chagos Islanders from their homes/lands and leased the Islands to the US so they could build and operate a military base/port in the Indian Ocean.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:09am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Exactly right, Bullion. The British treat their subjects like chattels when it suits. the remnants of empire 9and their inhabitants) can be traded away at whim. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law
        for the various classes into which the subjects are divided.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:43pm
Bridgenag

Hope this isn’t too long……From the spectator
Ableism: the idea that ability, competence, achievement, and merit are somehow better than their opposites. A disgusting remnant of a White, patriarchal society that must be eviscerated with all due haste.
Bigotry: opposition to any belief or opinion held by a “progressive.”
Conservatism: an existential threat to our democracy, practiced by bad people. Must not be tolerated.
Diversity: the lifeblood of our democracy, enriching all of us.
Dr. Fauci: a God-like figure who actually exists, and selflessly serves humanity in the blessed name of “science.” Hallowed be His name and peace be upon Him forever and ever. Amen.
Extremist: someone who disagrees with a Democrat.
Fairness: when progressive ideas and/or candidates carry the day. (Antonym, unfairness: when conservative ideas and/or candidates carry the day.)
Far-right: this term is rightfully applied to any individuals or groups who oppose Democratic/woke policies and talking points.
Fascist: someone who disagrees with a Democrat.
God: a mythical figure, created by conservatives to impose their arbitrary version of morality on sexual minorities and non-conformists.
Heterosexual: a boring, old, unhip, and often intolerant group of individuals that cling to outmoded ideas of sexual relationships and complementarity.
Illegal aliens (more properly called “undocumented immigrant”): downtrodden and oppressed, these people must be allowed free access into our country and the freedom to go wherever they like, in any quantity, without restraint. They bring much needed diversity and skill sets to our land.
Invasive species: a dire threat to our land, whose spread must be stopped at all costs. These insidious invaders often overwhelm and supplant indigenous species.
Justice: when Democrats prevail. (Antonym, injustice: when conservatives prevail.)
LGBTQIA+: a diverse and loving community of tolerant individuals who have been the victims of bigotry and injustice in this country due to systemic homophobia and misogyny.
Man: though there is no currently agreed on definition for this amorphous term, all can agree that testosterone-fueled toxic masculinity — and the patriarchy — are very bad things indeed.
Mentally-challenged individual: someone who disagrees with a Democrat.
Misinformation: any report, data, or information, regardless of veracity and legitimacy, that does not confirm/affirm Democrats’ talking points and advance their agenda.
Pride!: what everyone who isn’t heterosexual should have… and should shove in heterosexuals faces at every opportunity.
Queer: another term for homosexual. Synonymous with Pride!.
Riot: a mostly peaceful demonstration by the oppressed against their oppressors. (As opposed to an “insurrection,” which is when conservatives and patriots question their rightful rulers.)
Terrorist: someone who disagrees with a Democrat.
Threat to our democracy: someone who disagrees with a Democrat.
Tolerance: the highest virtue, one that affords respect to all of us, regardless of our differences.
Uniparty: used to describe the bipartisanship and unity to which we all aspire. Achieved when Republicans cave to our demands. (Which, fortunately, is nearly always.)
Woman: there is no currently agreed on definition for this amorphous term.
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January 10, 2023 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This should get 30+ upticks.
  Woman:
  I am not a biologist. That was a croc of shit by Ketanji Brown Jackson.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:23am
krazykiwi

The ‘Good Club’ – Billionaires meet in secret to discuss the ‘Over-populated world’

Clandestine meetings, involving some of the richest people in the world, to discuss how the world is over-populated sounds like a good plot line for a new book or film, doesn’t it? Some of the most powerful people in the world don’t sit around a table discussing how to change the future of the planet. That’s just a conspiracy theory.

Except it isn’t.

The first record of the self-proclaimed ‘Good Club’ was in 2009 when leaked details were reported on by the Times and the Guardian. And, as with all good conspiracy theories, the MSM were shocked. ABC News said “there remain as many questions about the meeting’s details as there are about the logistics behind its organization.
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It was considered so secret that the billionaires’ aides were told they were at “security briefings”. Apparently, they didn’t want to be seen as a global cabal, so discretion was of upmost importance.

Each participant was given 15 minutes to talk and then they discussed an “umbrella cause” that could harness all their interests. A number of issues were discussed but “taking their cue from Gates they agreed that overpopulation was a priority”.

Go on. Scream ‘Conspiracy Theory’. You know you want to 😉
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- NK
  
  I keep saying to people that something as overt as the globalist agendas are neither
  conspiracies nor are they a theory.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:10am
  - Don Beckett
    
    The rather insane thing that these people seem to fail to grasp, is that it is purely because there is an increasing population that has made them wealthy, and that leads to the wealth of the general population. Our wealth is in people.
    Imagine if Gates had only sold 1,000,000 computers & cell phones instead of 100,000,000 (figures purely as example) how wealthy would he be?
    Not very, I would suggest.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:28am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Don- they reckon they don’t need most of us any longer.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:46am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yeah – until they want us to buy their latest improved updated model……….planned obsolescence and all.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:57pm
- Im Right
  
  No need for a ‘rich list’ cabal KK…the green parties in most western countries have been promoting a similar agenda for years, but out in the open. Hit the farmers hard, food production suffers people starve/wars breakout etc etc
  This rich list cabal should just pump money into the green parties…sorted!
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    These people obviously haven’t studied history regarding how the plebs respond when you make their lives miserable. Particularly when those responsible continue to live a life of luxury and never abide by the rules they lay down to the plebs.
    
    You can never have enough popcorn.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:39am
    - H. Upmann
      
      ….or enough cake.
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:59am
  - Matt Long
    
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/heads-up-farmers-biden-is-coming-your-water
    All the regressive regimes are following the same agenda, for the most part there is no conspiracy, it’s an agenda clearly set out in the UN and various international organisations and implemented by globalists in every compliant nation.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:10am
    - Matt Long
      
      And it’s working well, as of today our genius masters have delivered according to the news; egg shortages, bread shortages, beer companies are planning to shut down due to CO² shortages, due to the refinery shutdown and amongst the many items being rationed at Pak n Save yesterday was butter – in New Zealand!!!!
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:18am
      - Matt Long
        
        Incidentally beer manufacturers need CO²? Speaks wonder for industrial production, are they making beer from fizzy water, ethanol and flavors?
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:22am
      - Ghost
        
        Egg shortages are a result of the supermarkets policies. Haven’t noticed any bread or butter shortages. Just reading the bread shortage was a North Island thing because of the holidays, back to normal now.
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:24am
      - Blog-aholic
        
        CO2 is used to flush lines and in packaging. Beer produces its own CO2 through the brewing process.
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:39am
      - Diogenes
        
        Oh dear Matt, should have gone to Countdown. Bought butter yesterday (no limits) at Upper Riccarton store at under $5 a pack. Don’t usually shop at Countdown, but had to use up a gift voucher.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:00am
      - cmm
        
        Commercial beer needs CO2 because of the way it is made.
        
        “Real” naturally made beer does not need extra CO2 because it is self-fizzing. The beer is made (venting off the CO2 into the atmosphere), then the live beer is bottled with a bit of sugar. The beer then makes more CO2 (and a wee bit more alcohol), fizzing up the beer. This also creates some dregs of dead yeast in the bottles.
        
        Commercial beer is different. It is normally pasteurised to kill the yeast before bottling. Thus it needs extra CO2 to fizz it.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:47am
- Tomtoddy
  
  I wont live to see it but Hans Rosling was right. The world population trend has already changed. It will peak around 11 billion and start going down quite quickly. My grandkids may see a time when people are paid handsomely to reproduce.
  
  There was a time when having wealth was associated with intelligence and clever ideas. That idea seems to be dead in the water.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Needing intelligence and clever ideas is too hard for wealth creation.
    
    So much easier to, um, ‘re-purpose’ the wealth of others, and have them applaud you.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:14am
  - kevn
    
    @Tomt… With the jab affecting male and female fertility, families who were/are able to remain unjabbed should thrive.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:35am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Unvaxxed sperm for sale on the internet?
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:14am
      - krazykiwi
        
        My rates are very reasonable 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:37pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Donors will later be hunted down by the loony left ecosystem and held liable for all the offspring.
        
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        January 11, 2023 8:01pm
  - cmm
    
    Paying people to reproduce is a broken idea.
    
    Highly economically valuable people that you want to reproduce will need a hell of a lot of bribing to make another baby.
    
    The low value people that you don’t want to reproduce are reproducing already. It’s called Africa.
    
    The only way to make this work is to encourage the high value people and discourage the low value people. If that is to be done with subsidies then that’s going to be hard. How do you sell a policy that gives a $500k subsidy to a high value person and little or no subsidy to a low value person?
    
    The real way to do this is to reduce taxation and remove welfare. Then the high value people will get more resources and the low value people will get less resources.
    
    Of course making those policies stick is a political challenge.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:54am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      CMM – I’m not comfortable equating economic value to ones value to the human race.
      
      The extreme view of this thinking is used by the likes of Schwab, Gates etc to justify why they are more important than the rest of us plebs. The amount of money they have makes them demigods in their own minds.
      
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      January 10, 2023 5:01pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    I doubt it will ever get to 11 billion. Population is falling nearly everywhere outside of Africa, and in Africa worsening governance and low development levels will sadly soon cap population growth through the twin predations of famine and war.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:59am
- Simon
  
  There doesnt seem to be any point to these population meetings other than a circle jerk?? Nothing concrete unlike say man made climate fraud which all Clown World govt are all in.
  
  (The interesting thing is Clown World is up against Russia / China alliance who are always taking the oligarchs down a peg or two. Jack Ma is recent e.g. )
  
  In the post West Clown World these rich cretins use networking of our political class for influence and forcing policy. Like man made climate fraud.
  
  Look at that fool Luxon. He gets his ideas on how to run NZ, like Zero Carbon from oligarchs who will enrich themselves at our expense.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Carbon neutral can be accomplishing with science, that is all Luxon has stated, sheep and beef farmers already are, but the government still want to hammer them, Luxon has started as it says in the agreement signed up to that food production can not suffer, there is a difference from what this Marxist regime is doing by banning things.
    By the way there is no such thing as zero carbon, humans could not live without carbon
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:47am
    - cmm
      
      Plants could not live with zero CO2.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:55am
      - JackRabbit
        
        CO2 is part of the natural regenerating cycle of life.
        
        Lowered CO2 results in less plant life, less Oxygen, less veges, less grass, less food animals, and not enough food.
        
        Only an idiot would want to ban CO2.
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:33pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      “Carbon neutral can be accomplishing with science”
      
      Utter nonsense. The only way to achieve ‘carbon neutral’ is to return to the caves and live like our ancestors did 50,000 years ago. Keen?
      
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      January 10, 2023 3:40pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Tainui will bag Waitomo. Built-in eco-lightbulbs.
        
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        January 10, 2023 6:56pm
- KH
  
  The world will be a better place with two billion. New Zealand was better with two million.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:03am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bullshit.
    
    Humans are this plant’s greatest resource.
    
    in 1950 NZ had 2 million people. Life was harder and shorter, not ‘better’ as you claim.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:19am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      No trouble getting toheroas, though.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:16am
      - KH
        
        As a low middle income family 60s Auckland we had a Bach an hours drive away, which was 20 feet from the sand.
        And nowdays we would have…………………
        
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        January 10, 2023 4:19pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      erratum – … this planet’s greatest …
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:38am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why do you leftie fools think like that? If you would like, offer ya self as a sacrifice to their cause, otherwise don’t drum that bullshit down the rest of our throats
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:48am
  - burt
    
    KH
    
    Lets imagine you have a partner and between you you have 3 children, which 3 out of 5 in your family will be culled in line with your depopulation beliefs?
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:24pm
    - KH
      
      Burt. Seen that argument tactic many times. Not even original. And also misleading.
      
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      January 10, 2023 5:09pm
  - Opie
    
    I think you are right, but that’s because it was the right 2 million. Lots of hard working respectful new Zealanders. What we came to know as kiwis.
    
    People talked properly back then too.
    
    We had 2 baches, with a primary school teacher as the primary earner!
    
    Now we still have the kiwis but we have a ton of refugees and immigrants. Some good, some bad, but each one takes away from new Zealand as it used to be. Are they new Zealand residents? Probably. Are they kiwis? Never.
    
    New Zealand would be fine with 5 million if they were all hard working good sorts but law of averages and all that…
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bill Gates is a major player here.
  Melinda saw through him.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:28am
  - Ghost
    
    Melinda is trying to save Melinda, she’s about as innocent as her ex
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:32am
Frank the tank

Long hot summer apparently.

At least there won’t be any water restrictions this year…..
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January 10, 2023 8:07am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We’re off grid, tank water from the roof. Our “go to” less than scientific method of whether we will get through the summer with enough water is, if the tank is full on Xmas day we generally have enough to get through until Easter.
  
  At Xmas it’s usually below half. It hasn’t been below 2/3 since last Easter and has been seen regularly overflowing for the last couple of months.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:42am
  - kiwimike
    
    Surely, Time to add another in series then.
    
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    January 11, 2023 9:22am
- Taieri
  
  At least there won’t be any water restrictions this year
  ————–
  
  Unless you are in Queenstown. Or Riverton…
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:54am
  - Raphael
    
    I know that both the Coromandel, and Tauranga are already under water restrictions.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:22am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Whereas in Auckland it feels like we are under water.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:03am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Raphael. Tauranga does have water restrictions but that is not because of a lack of water – it is because the population has doubled in the last 20 years, and the councils have not kept pace with the infrastructure and storage capacity to cater for the increase.
      And of course, Mahuta controls our council for another 2 years.
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:35am
      - mawm
        
        Coromandel has water restrictions annually as their infrastructure cannot cope with the massive influx over summer.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:34pm
  - KH
    
    Central Otago. Have to seriously water the vege garden every day. On top of the nightly programmed irrigation system.
    30c today. With sun.
    
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    January 10, 2023 5:12pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      40C+ in most places in Victoria this Sat. Not fun unless you are one of the few weirdos who love being baked.
      
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      January 11, 2023 8:06pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Huge amount of rain to fall in already sodden parts this week, when shit hits the fan, and civil defence is in action, our useless pm will be nowhere to be seen yet again
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:50am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Good – she’s more of a hinderance than a help, and would only use it for self agrandisement anyway.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:37am
rouppe

Not one mention of Jacinda Ardern’s involvement in the Karel Sroubek debacle.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/drug-smuggler-and-former-kickboxing-champion-karel-sroubek-to-be-deported/4AOIMVFBDFDNPBZP6WJJWFI3SA/
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January 10, 2023 8:14am
- Paulus
  
  Yea ! I will believe Sroubek is gone when I see him on his way out of New Zealand airspace.
  Watch for another legal hitch.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Administrative error, again?
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:41am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Amazing what giving the media tens of millions of dollars of taxpayers money will buy.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:50am
Maggie Pie

Only six days to go before the next….

WEF-Annual-Meeting at Davos (16-20 January)

Will Cindy be attending I wonder. Funny we haven’t anything. Unless I’ve missed it?

From their website:

‘ABOUT THE MEETING’
The world today is at a critical inflection point. The sheer number of ongoing crises calls for bold collective action.

Chilling 🙁
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January 10, 2023 8:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Apparently Elon isn’t welcome. Twitter has been “cancelled” from the WEF website.
  
  The globalist policy facilitator World Economic Forum’s 2023 summit in Davos, Switzerland has removed any mention of Twitter from its social media handouts in the wake of Elon Musk’s turfing of the company’s leftist old guard following his $45 billion takeover.
  
  Investigative journalist Jordan Schachtel pointed out in a Dec. 23 Substack post that the WEF had removed mention of Twitter from its How to Follow Davos 2023 webpage while simultaneously advising believers to interact with the Davos hashtags on Chinese Communist Party (CCP)-controlled TikTok, Weibo, and social credit keystone WeChat.
  
  So. CCP controlled TikTok and Weibo are ok. Nothing to see here, just more ammo for the bloody “conspiracy theorists.”//
  
  https://www.visiontimes.com/2022/12/28/davos-2023-cancels-elon-musk-twitter.html
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And what about this 🙁
    
    ‘Pedophilia is natures gift to humanity’
    
    – Klaus Schwab
    
    https://newspunch.com/world-economic-forum-declares-pedophiles-will-save-humanity/
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:36am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Happening here too:
      
      In the final days of the trial, Judge Earwaker addressed the issue of consent on a person under 16 years, the New Zealand Herald reported.
      
      “Legally, a person under 16 cannot give consent for charges of indecent acts, therefore as a jury, all you need to decide is if the indecent acts took place,” he said. Then came the kicker. “But as for sexual intercourse, a person under 16 can give consent. You need to consider whether or not the consent was given based on the evidence you have.”
      
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      January 10, 2023 8:43am
      - Ghost
        
        The full quote is
        
        “But as for sexual intercourse, a person under 16 can give consent. You need to consider whether or not the consent was given based on the evidence you have. Remember an adult cannot give consent to a minor, in fact, nobody can give consent for somebody else.”
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/verdict-in-man-guilty-on-33-charges-of-sexually-abusing-underage-girls/AULVYUJWJKZ5HCATAWIUZ75VDA/
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:08am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Thanks! That’s important context omitted from my source.
        
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        January 10, 2023 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Every couple of decades the liberal left push their hideous agenda on child-love:
      
      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abuse-inquiry-labour-ministers-led-group-that-backed-paedophile-information-exchange-d0vv229rr
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt
      
      Strange how you never have the views of the affected children publicised….
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:26am
      - Nickc2
        
        The same can be said for victims of the Catholic Priesthood (or any other Priesthood for that matter).
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mentally sick man.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:44am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Elon has been kicked out of the ‘club’ quite clearly.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:30am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I’m sure he’s shitting his pants 😆 😆
      
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      January 10, 2023 10:40am
- Ghost
  
  Oh, I better check my spam to see if I was invited.
  
  Nope, just some Nigerian wanting to give me millions
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  While Davos Man wait for the champagne, lobster and the opportunity to play God in front of their peers, the WHO is meeting in secret
  
  The International Health Regulations Review Committee (IHRRC) of the World Health Organization (WHO) is planning to meet in secret from Monday, January 9, 2023 to Friday January 13, 2023. The IHRRC will be working to finalize what is now a 46 page document that includes proposed amendments to the International Health Regulations (IHR).
  
  This is essentially a sovereignty grab, one that binds current and future governments to respond in accordance with WHO directives. New Zealand did not submit any proposed amendments to these, be rather agreed with most of the Biden government’s proposed amendments.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:36am
- Simon
  
  WEF – oligarch front in which Clown World govt are so influenced. Look at that bozo Luxon and his Zero Carbon ranting. Pure product of international agenda set by oligarchs – without regard to the people of NZ.
  
  Luzon and his Zero Carbon agenda. Utter bozo and anti-NZ.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:36am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Wouldn’t it be great if one of Putin’s missiles somehow went of course and landed at Davos & interrupted their conference.
    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of arseholes. 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:43am
- Paulus
  
  Cindy is on holiday so nothing can be done anywhere.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:42am
- kowtow
  
  What they want is more “strong leadership” ( cough cough) to resolve all these crises they keep hysterically promoting.
  
  As Lord Sumption said , democracy dies not from external threat but from within.
  
  They are conditioning young people to support authoritarianism via climate catastrophy , and any number of other “isms”.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:49am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Maggie you’ve let your standards drop. You always used to report the full sentences, not just the abridged ones.
  
  For example: “‘ABOUT THE MEETING’
  The world today is at a critical inflection point. The sheer number of ongoing crises we have orchestrated or scared everyone shitless about calls for bold collective action.”
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Nope, she is on holiday till mid feb
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She’ll have to emerge to make at least one TV appearance on Waitangi Day (6 Feb)….and will she turn up this year to Ratana on 25 January?
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/12/13/ratana-pa-cancels-2022-celebrations/
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:31am
    - Ghost
      
      She’s busy trying on dresses for the coronation. Not sure yet if she realises it is for the king or she thinks she has a walk on part on coronation street.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:34am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Probably has a pre recorded video ready
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:51am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Maggy sure seems excited to witness the first public political show of the year.
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh yes, it is the highlight of my Summer Calendar.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:08pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Taliban issued a new ruling in Balkh province, Afghanistan, stating that women are not allowed to visit male doctors – funded by the NZ taxpayer, well done Cindy.
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January 10, 2023 8:20am
- pdm
  
  Mickey – that is going to work out well since the Taliban are at best reluctant to allow women to attend school and be educated.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:43am
  - Ehlana
    
    You really have to wonder why they have so much hatred toward women. I guess the increased mother and baby mortality won’t bother them. The current generation of young women are probably still fairly healthy; it will be in the next generation that poor life-long health may impede conception.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:07am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  And since the Taliban do not allow women to attend university in Afghanistan, there won’t be very many female doctors.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:53am
  - Ghost
    
    The Taliban wants to segregate women. So it’s training female doctors.
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/05/afghanistan-women-doctors-taliban-medical/
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:58am
    - Philview
      
      Ghost,
      I read the other day your thread where you indicated your work with at risk children. I didn’t get around to saying good on you for making such a positive contribution to our society.
      
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      January 10, 2023 9:45am
- Inandout
  
  Ol, I was in a waiting room at the local hospital and there was a pregnant Muslim woman seated with her husband. When the male doctor appeared the woman went with her male partner so I presume a female must be accompanied by a male when the doctor is male. Most confusing.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:12am
Yabster

NZ English as an official langauage- hard to believe it is not!- Hobsons pledge is doing a petition to get that recognised and stop the jumbling up of english and maori.

https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/english_language
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January 10, 2023 8:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Signed and shared widely. Everyone needs to do the same.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:44am
- Nickc2
  
  I wish them every success. However, it won’t happen under the current Govt and I doubt Luxon has the balls to make it so!
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:59am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  We never used to have official languages; it was self evident what the language of NZ was. Then both Maori & Sign jumped up & down until Parliament passed legislation to make them Special.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Done.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:55am
- mikenmildagain
  
  How about a petition to restore proper language to the justice system?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_French
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:14pm
Tomtoddy

In Whakatane this morning. No wind and the faintest whiff of rain only. Looks like the BoP is the quiet patch between the worst of the storm’s doings. Or were we exaggerated to again by the climate catastrophists??
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January 10, 2023 8:26am
- Mike H S
  
  I looked at the rain radar and thought that we have gross exaggeration again. Certainly, Gisborne has only very light rain right now and the whole system is very diffuse which normally means there is little strength left in the cyclone.
  
  I doubt that we will have the huge damage that was experienced during the passage of Cyclone Bola.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m halfway up a hill but little lakes are forming in my main lawns (the ducks are happy), and a creek is starting to run down the driveway….
    I’m planning on an indoors day.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:07am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Likewise in Bay of Islands. Rain started late and drizzly. AccuWeather was always far less alarmist than Met Service predicting only a few mm of rain over the first half of the week.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:32am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      A bit breezy now. Popped out to look at my neighbour’s highly unreliable weather vane and was amused to see it spinning like a top. But the moored boats in the bay are telling me it is ESE as Accuweather predicts.
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:25pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Your lucky – pissing down all morning ~60k south of you and CBD has started to flood!
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:44pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Just misty light drizzle here now. We always expect Whangarei and Wellsford to be the cloudburst spots on our trips south.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:53pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Just checked the rain guage. About 30mm since yesterday morning. Keeping the tanks full and me in bathwater. But the lawns keep growing. I want a drought.
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:04pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We’re clocking along at less than half the rainfall predicted each hour by the Met office.
        
        They had predicted 4.7mm from 2pm-3pm, but we got 1.8mm.
        
        Not windy yet… just a steady breeze.
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:16pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        @AW – add 100 mm – maybe my grass will drown and save a problem ….
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:56pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Unfortunately our place is on a reasonably steep slope so no chance of drowning our grass. Makes it a bugger to mow too and I’ve got to do the holiday house next door as well. Keeps me fitter than I would be I suppose. This season it’s been like a tropical rain forest.
        
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        January 10, 2023 4:26pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Rotorua Lakes – bit of early rain, now lovely and calm – before the storm? Mrs Hmm and I just enjoyed coffee with the neighbours and discussed recent trout adventures.
  
  We have our collective tribes assembling today, might be a storm watch and vino evening.
  
  Thanks #globalwarminginc, Im sitting in a thermal hoodie. In summer.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:44am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Now 10.45 am. in Tauranga. Light rain since early this morning, and moderate breeze. Rain & wind forecaste to pick up after lunch sometime.
    We’ll see, but its an inside day for me.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:49am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Almost 3 hrs. later, and rain still only light – supposed to increase around 4 pm. The wind according to Metservice is from the SE & 30 kmh. – but by observation & the rain radar, its more Easterly, but observing some N in it – more like ENE – but that is probably due to the land effect, and is still only light – around 15 KPH but the odd gust.
      Reporting from Tauranga. 🙂
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:35pm
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        1540 hours. Planes have landed and disgorged various offspring – so its clearly not that bad if Rotorua airport is still operational 🙂
        
        Rainy – cold – and a little breezy.
        
        Must be drink o’clock.
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:38pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Question: Why has MetService not included the pressure data that indicates a low sitting over the upper NI. Surely it can’t be that all the weather stations from BOI to Northshore are “wrong” reporting pressures < 1000 hPa which seems to indicate a new separate low has formed because it would contradict their (now non-existent Cyclone Hale) tracking model hype! Me think they maybe ignoring data in the hope that the exHale low and current new low merge so their 1:00 p.m. prediction becomes "right" and fits the narrative.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:03am
- blue collar
  
  It’s a crock of shit brother toddy , the weather has been politicised .
  ITS NOT EVEN A CYCLONE !!
  Interestingly it’s only govt weather outfits and govt controlled media ( stuff n herald ) that call it a cyclone .
  All the other ones stopped reporting on it coz it had petered out and was harmless .
  60km/hr winds . 100mm rain PFFFFT . Big deal .
  The reason our govt media and weather mobs are going hysterical on it isn’t for clickbait ….. they hv been instructed to ramp up the climate fear by the govt , so the govt can charge more climate tax and also leverage more control over the public . They need public consent to shaft us , the only way is to create FEAR .
  Scared people allow anything to happen eh COVID wowsers
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:41am
  - Paulus
    
    I wonder whether it is realised that the media and NZ experts call Cyclones, and not as is it as ex Tropical Storms, puts our Insurance Premiums up because the International Wholesale Industry (Reinsurers) see that it is a Cyclone region and charge accordingly.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:07am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Media are always desperate for stories in xmas – mid Jan period as so much of NZ is idling.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:18pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Just priming the public for the inevitable caring visit from PM with CD Min McAnulty ….
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:56pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      Yes usually reporting shark attacks at this time
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:30pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Overcast & calm in Wellington, so far anyway
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:07pm
- I remember when
  
  What happened to heavy rain and strong to gale force winds.
  Not scary enough?
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:09pm
- hullkiwi
  
  There was constant rainfall in the North Rodney area from 11.30pm last night until 1.00pm today. There is flooding of the Whangaripo Valley (East of Wellsford) and land slips around Warkworth. Although the rain has eased since 1pm we are still experiencing heavy showers. The land is sodden (it hasn’t had a chance to dry out completely – over the past 11 months we’ve had nearly 2000 mm of rain) and large puddles have formed on our property again.
  
  The North is very green, and if farmers got 1 crop of hay this year they were doing well.
  
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  January 10, 2023 3:18pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Can anyone explain why SH16 from Wellsford finds the highest peak in the area and goes over the top of it? Were the engineers some kind of demented mountaineers?
    
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    January 10, 2023 4:34pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Good question, gives a good lookout over the mid Kaipara though, and the hill north of Kaukapakapa is not bad either. Probably a lot to do with ethnic ownership of the land around the harbour.
      
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      January 10, 2023 5:53pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Hate to think what it has cost so unnecessarily.
        
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        January 10, 2023 6:56pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      AW, your comments above about the grass made me laugh. Half our property we mow (when we can), the other half have 4 legged biological digester, or it is wetland Bush.
      
      The part we mow, we finally got sort of under control after Christmas, then 4 days after New year it hosed day, Saturday was dry enough to allow us to mow it again on Sunday & since then Weare back to North Auckland bog clay. And the grass, it is laughing at us as it grows even faster in the humid/wet conditions. As above, I wish the grass and weeds would drown like one our fruit trees did!
      
      On the subject of experts, can someone give Chris Brandalino (the Yankee Chief Weather Scientist who works for NIWA a book of New Zealand weather data going back to 1960, because he talks rubbish). On Friday, he was trying to tell us that weather we are experiencing this summer is proof of climate change and that more southern parts of NZ must expect to suffer the sub tropical conditions that the North is experiencing this summer.
      
      First, what the North has experienced over the last 12 months and this summer is La Nina. This occurence happens every 7 to 10 years after periods of El Nino, over my life I can recall this occurrence occurring at least 5 times (I’m 61).
      
      Second, every late summer/autumn storms passing over Northern Queensland, or through the Torres Strait can develop into cyclones and they will follow paths over the Western Pacific Islands (including NZ). Usually by the time they reach NZ, they have lost much of their strength. These cyclones/storms will usually approach NZ from the north east and cut a path to the south west. These storms can be as early as December in the summer or as late as March/April wg the storm that hit Wellington in April 1968 & helped sink the Wahine or late March as in the case of Bola which hit in the 1980s hitting the East Coast and cut a trail all the way to Taranaki.
      
      My point is, these weather patterns are not unusual, and are not climate change.
      
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      January 10, 2023 6:48pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        Totally agree @hull – Coromandel CD joker was spouting same sort of rubbish last night on the the news. What really annoys me is that these types are generally meant to be intelligent, but instead spout their own ideological view – they simply lack professionalism.
        
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        January 11, 2023 7:41am
- Ra Henare
  
  Meanwhile in Siem Reap in Cambodia, no storms, no rain, occasional ovecast day and no politics.
  
  The local kids are happily playing in the lane. Nota mobile phone in sight. Just happy with things!!!
  Currently playing a game which entails kicking jandals around…..and lots and lots of loud laughter.
  
  Reminds me so much of NZ in the 50s and 60s. (except the weather here is better than Upper Hutt)
  
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  January 10, 2023 5:41pm
Pineapple Lumps

Another book I have been reading this summer is “Turtles all the way down – vaccine science and myth” by Mary Holland.

The 1st chapter outlines the gold standards and ethics for the development of vaccines for children. Then goes on to analyse how eight of the most common types of vaccines measure up against these standards. From this fact base you start to get an understanding that the movement challenging the vaccine narrative are saying we are not well served by our regulatory bodies. The are not holding pharmaceutical companies accountable to meet the prescribed standards.

Instead of this being investigated or debated people seeking better accountability get labelled Anti-vaxers. Essentially slandered, dehumanised and written off.

If you are interested in having a read, they have made the 1st chapter available as a free PDF on

https:/tinyurl.com/TurtlesBookChap1Eng
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January 10, 2023 8:28am
- krazykiwi
  
  Thanks! I’ve previously flagged this book for a read. I was staunch pro-vax prior to Covid, but the global-scale malfeasance of Big Pharma, and the now obvious capture of the regulators has found me digging a bit deeper. And it’s a sewer down there. This is one of the best articles on these other vaccines: Why Do Vaccines Consistently Fail to Prevent Disease Transmission?. There is a entire section on how various vaccines are supposed to work, and evidence of their efficacy.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:08am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Krazykiwi – thanks for sharing this article – lots to read here.
    
    Like you I generally trusted the medical system, felt it mostly had our best interests at heart, and the majority of medical people I know genuinely care about taking care of others. However, some issues with family members health had taught me that you need to trust your intuition and find the right advise when things aren’t right.
    
    Since the overreach on Covid, I’m red pilled and with suspicions aroused digging deeper becomes the norm. Covid has made for a massive questioning of the health system that most of us implicitly, unquestioningly trusted/put our faith in. It is important that we find ways to fix the broken parts of the system.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  A helpful review normal readers don’t waste their time with this garbage:
  
  As if we needed another collection of misguided antivax rants to add to the tainted literature that devotees eagerly devour.
  This one is enthusiastically promoted by longtime antivaccine campaigner Mary Holland, who wrote the preface. The book was written in 2019 but has been re-released in hopes of weaponizing antivax-inspired distrust of Covid-19 vaccines to weaken support for childhood vaccination in general.
  Written by “Anonymous” (now _there’s_ a trustworthy source), this book dives into typical antivax conspiracy-mongering by claiming that vaccine clinical studies are “rigged”, in part because they supposedly don’t include randomized blinded trials.
  Anonymous failed to note that there have been many such trials (you can find them by searching the free scientific literature database at PubMed, or checking out articles at Vaxopedia). So why does Anonymous misinform readers?
  Antivaxers like Anonymous can’t rationally explain why the incidence of so many infectious diseases plummeted after introduction of corresponding vaccines, so they make up outrageous nonsense. Example: the book tries to get us to believe that polio is caused by pesticides. Yet heavy use of pesticides the book blames (like DDT) continued years after polio incidence dropped dramatically (thanks to vaccination), and widespread worldwide use of pesticides has coincided with polio remaining at very low levels following extensive vaccination campaigns. Polio is caused entirely by poliovirus, but germ theory deniers who claim otherwise will believe any demented explanation that allows them to dismiss vaccine efficacy.
  There’s plenty more in “Turtles” straight out of the antivaccine playbook – bogus VAERS claims, the “10,000 vaccines” myth and other nonsensical arguments which have been debunked repeatedly but keep rearing up, zombie-like, both online and in similar books that have sunk into deserved obscurity.
  Weakening childhood vaccination means exposing kids to more outbreaks of serious and potentially deadly diseases, like measles and polio (currently posing increasing risks due to declining vaccination rates).
  Anonymous should come out of the woodwork to explain why he/she thinks this is a good idea.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:19pm
  - RightNow
    
    What a shame the mRNA “vaccines” have caused such distrust of vaccines in general, some of them did some real good in the world.
    Another unintended consequence of ignoring real science in favour of political “science”.
    
    PS – Get boosted!
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:06pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    “A helpful review normal readers don’t waste their time with this garbage:”
    
    Milky – haven’t laughed soo hard in ages, you believing you have any handle on the definition of normal.
    
    BTW if you are going to cut and paste directly from someone else’s website it is normal to include a link or at least cite the source. Do they state if they or their employer receive any money from Pharma?
    
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    January 10, 2023 5:18pm
    - Mike
      
      Just one of the Amazon reviews. Most of the reviews are enthusiastic of course.
      
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      January 10, 2023 5:43pm
Maggie Pie

Absolutely F ing useless!!

‘RAID’

Big globules spray everywhere and flies just laugh at you.

Sheesh.
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January 10, 2023 8:43am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – I’ve been pretty sure for a few years now, they’ve done the old trick of diluting the active ingredients so the volume is the same but far less effective. Takes 5 times the volume to do the same job.
  When they die I actually think it’s from drowning.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:46am
- Muttonbird
  
  Have your servant soak the nozzle in isopropyl alcohol for a few minutes.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:25am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    She’s a bit busy at the moment. Went out for an Indian last night 😀
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:44am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      What was his name?
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nice sweet smell too
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Should add, I used it at work for cleaning before Spray painting or gluing ACM to trailer frames. Works well. Some other shit uses needs a mask carbon filter.
      MEK (methyl, ethyl and keytone) is good, but wear that filter
      
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      January 10, 2023 3:26pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I’m old enough to remember when flyspray killed flies. Now it just gives them wet wings and annoys the little huas.
  
  But at least it is less harmful to the environment.
  
  Sort of negates the whole purpose of flyspray – it is supposed to be F+#$%n harmful!!!!!
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:39am
  - Diogenes
    
    Hit them with the can.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:07am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, take thee to a farm supply store and get a can of ‘Slay’. Even knocks Gisborne cockroaches dead.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Even knocks Gisborne cockroaches dead.
    
    Oh no! why would you do that to one of our Aussie mates?
    
    They’re not like those nasty German ones.
    
    https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/gisborne-cockroach/
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  House flies haven’t been much of a problem but fruit flies seem absolutely impervious to fly spray unless drenched and drowned.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:35am
- NothingLeft
  
  Odorless Raid (blue can) is totally ineffectual, may as well use water, you can spray flies directly and they just fly straight through without noticing and continue buzzing around – I sprayed a blowie in my bedroom with a big dose of odorless and the thing was still flying around hours later. Red can seems to work ok.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP, YIP, that’s the one! Total rip-off!!
    
    Best ever was one we got from an Indian Supermarket called ‘Green Leaf Insect Spray’. Raj was telling me he’s no longer allowed to import it because some of the ingredients are now banned here.
    
    Got him to translate the label for us once. Instruction was….. ‘Before spraying dogs and children should be put outside’.
    
    Had a real strong chemical smell, but gee it was effective.
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:41pm
    - blue collar
      
      Tell ya partner to get a bug-a-salt gun .
      Fucking brilliant
      Pump action shotgun that fires salt .
      Even got a laser sight
      
      Cdnt miss your ass with that magstar !
      
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      January 10, 2023 2:50pm
Rusty

In recent years we have seen the citizens of many countries rise up against the tyranny and undemocratic practices of their leaders in a real confrontational way e.g Sri Lanka, France, Germany, Brazil, Capitol hill USA etc, even little NZ with the anti-mandate vaccine protests last year.

The WEF/ global elites who I believe are indirectly or directly responsible for the political and social turmoil throughout the western world are in for a big shock with what I call ‘peoples power’ fighting back.
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January 10, 2023 8:46am
- Observer of Life
  
  I hope so Rusty. The worlds a bit depressing the way we’re heading.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Who are Biden’s puppeteers? Here is one, and it is no surprise.
D.C. as an insiders’ game for the wealthy and powerful, and regular people need not apply.
https://quicknewsupdates.com/biden-shot-caller-revealed-we-know-who-it-is/
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January 10, 2023 8:53am
- Inandout
  
  SO, and anyone wanting to see the names of the ‘Love Island’ attendees can only but dream. I guess one day Gate’s ex wife may write a book on the subject.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:25am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Obama has to be in there boots & all as well, plying the socialist agenda that Biden is promoting ( probably unconciously 🙂 )
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another RINO? Always said she is a closet Democrat.
https://quicknewsupdates.com/she-just-abandoned-trump-campaign-trump-crushed/
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January 10, 2023 8:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

If you really want to be Green, breed with a short mate.

Short people don’t just save resources, but as resources become scarcer because of the earth’s growing population and global warming, they may also be best suited for long-term survival

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/01/opinion/height-short.html

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/08/new-york-times-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-be-short-mate-with-shorter-people-for-a-greener-planet-to-save-the/
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January 10, 2023 9:02am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  We have some advantages – dodging low hanging branches and less distance to fall when tripped. My brother was an excellent soccer player and when he bent over the ball the tall ones couldn’t see what was happening down there.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:40am
- cmm
  
  Good luck with that.
  
  For hundreds of thousands of years, being tall has been associated with better nutrition, better station in life, being more intelligent, better leader, better genetics and thus a better mating opportunity.
  
  That has given us taller men an unfair advantage that is baked in to female preferences. This operates at the “lizard brain” level and rational thought doesn’t enter into it.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Good to know that I don’t have a lizard brain.
    
    Hubby is 0.5cm shorter than me….(our kids are shorter than me.)
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:42am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The world definitely has an excess of lizard brains but I wouldn’t want to marry one.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:04pm
Maggie Pie

For me, the main takeaway after watching the ITV ‘Harry Interview’ last nite….there is no doubt that Diana was definitely murdered.
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January 10, 2023 9:03am
- mogg
  
  Never in the field of human conflict has one man moaned so much about so little.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hillary style. Someone was paid big time to set it up.
  I have a fair idea who. Don’t ask, it will get me banned.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:39am
  - Don Beckett
    
    …..or killed 😆
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:00am
  - GJM
    
    How did they manage to convince Diana and her squeeze Not to put on their seatbelts? It was a key part in the fatalities and if they had seatbelts on, it may not have been a fatal smash.
    
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    January 10, 2023 2:36pm
    - mogg
      
      Don’t give me your facts, it all about feelings now.
      
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      January 10, 2023 4:30pm
- rangitoto
  
  Self inflicted IMO. Would have been fine if wearing the seat belt.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:41am
  - blue collar
    
    No chance . The ambulance stopped and they finished the job . Seatbelt or no seatbelt she was toast
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:54pm
    - Ghost
      
      Shepherd says if Diana had worn a seatbelt she may probably would have survived and appeared in public two days later with a black eye, fractured ribs and maybe a broken arm.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/princess-dianas-fatal-injury-was-tiny-just-in-the-wrong-place-coroner-richard-shepherd-reveals-what-really-killed-her/DS2IQ3UPHSXY6Y7AE7B5W42XC4/
      
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      January 10, 2023 2:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        blue collar was, I think, claiming the other day that Norman Kirk was poisoned. blue collar is showing the best promise of a Kiwiblog commenter since Ugly Truth.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Chaotic voting for Speaker of the House?
A few words from Jim Jordan.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/jim-jordan-puts-rumors-to-bed-over-gop-drama/
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January 10, 2023 9:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden’s trip to the Border. Think Americans believe this?
https://redrightdaily.com/bidens-trip-to-a-sanitized-border-watch-what-gov-abbott-said/
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January 10, 2023 9:09am
Yvette

Ihumātao group appointed soon, but decision on land’s future could take five years 1 July 2022
A group to decide the future of Ihumātao has still not been appointed 18 months after it was announced and there is potentially another five years at least before any decision is on the disputed whenua is reached.
… Under the 2020 deal, some of the land was intended to be devoted to housing. The programme also allowed for it to be passed into the ownership of tangata whenua once talks about its future were held.
…” It is hard for Māori to come forward and work with the Crown when for nearly 200 years there has been bitterness about the loss of land, identity and culture, now to say just come and sit around the table and get along.” – Kīngitanga Archdeacon and private secretary to King Tuheitia, Ngira Simmonds
… NZ First leader Winston Peters revealed he had warned Ardern it was a confidence issue for him: a warning it could bring down the Government.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ihumatao-group-appointed-soon-but-decision-on-lands-future-could-take-five-years/A4J4V336BZ7VCGZGRG6E7QY4WM/

From these perhaps cherry-picked quotes to express where this matter lies – six months ago –
• “some of the land” along with other earlier indications, may say that perhaps few houses will ever be built here
• That “The Kīngitanga has appointed Rukumoana Schaafhausen its representative. The Herald understands two of the ahi kaa have appointed representatives but they are awaiting the final one before publicly announcing.” may mean they are still wondering where Ms Pania Newton fits in
• How does this reasonably substantial period of decision making bode for “3 Waters” deliberations undoing colonialism?
• How meanly divisive was that?
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January 10, 2023 9:09am
tknorriss

Good to see we are finally getting rid of Sroubek.

I haven’t heard much about ejecting a certain fat German for awhile though.
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January 10, 2023 9:21am
- cmm
  
  The German butter-ball seems to have melted and has established a little gene pool in NZ. That’s going to make it harder to shift him.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:25am
  - Nickc2
    
    Surely not more political donations?
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:41am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Banksie unavailable for comment on that one.
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:24pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Now you’ve really got your head in the sewer.
        Banksie (John Banks) as you call him was later cleared of all charges.
        The electoral return that he filed after that campaign, detailing donations received and campaign expenses, was the subject of Banks’ conviction and eventual acquittal. After new evidence came to light, it was decided in May 2015 that there would be no retrial.
        Courtesy Google
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I was mainly thinking of his inability to recall travelling by helicopter to meet a grossly obese German billionaire.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:45pm
      - Nickc2
        
        mikenmildagain @12:45PM
        Inability to recall is not a crime and he wasn’t charged with that.
        Sometimes I suffer from an inability to recall myself when I end up in my laundry and have to ask myself “WTF did I come in here for?”
        
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        January 10, 2023 1:06pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Correct me if I’m wrong, but I also don’t think anything has been heard from Banksie in public since that paternity case showed him to be a lying hypocrite.
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:41pm
      - Nickc2
        
        mikenmildagain @ 2:41PM
        It’s not a crime to father a sprog without remembering who it was with. Many females make an art form out of claiming such things if it’s to their advantage to do so.
        Remember, all Tadpoles swim upstream until they encounter a barrier whereby some overcome the barrier and some give up in disgust.
        
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        January 10, 2023 4:50pm
cmm

Super Ultra-Kraken XBB.1.5 has arrived…. Much more infectious than anything before…

Hide,, hide, hide!!! But nobody is taking this seriously.

Worse yet, people are conflating this virus with other viruses and this vaccine with others. No wonder there’s a real problem with measles etc.

A slave storyteller, Aesop, understood this 2600 years ago, why can’t our “experts”?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf
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January 10, 2023 9:23am
- Hollyfield
  
  CDC says Kraken is not spreading as quickly as first thought.
  
  And “Professor Paul Hunter, a public health expert at the University of East Anglia” says it “doesn’t look as though it will cause as big a problem as many felt last week”
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11615209/Are-Kraken-fears-overblown-Experts-say-XBB-1-5-variant-NOT-spreading-quickly-feared.html
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:42am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    When experts feel something it is time to lose interest.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Kraken is a Norge folklore myth that goes back to around 1180AD and is either believed from then to be a deep sea squid or octopus.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lockdown, lockdown, lockdown now, or the Police will put you in jail.
  Also, put on 3 masks.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:43am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  At what point do we need to take the media to task for psychologically traumatising our mentally vulnerable?
  
  The Dr John Campbell video posted by Clan yesterday shows that Covid-19 variants continue to attenuate. Most people testing positive in UK are not symptomatic. Hospitalisation rates are down.
  
  It is irresponsible and reckless of the media to be pushing the more infectious narrative.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:22am
- cmm
  
  Headline: Covid-19: ‘Novel features’ of Kraken cause for concern – Michael Baker
  
  But what he really said: “it was important to remember it was just another variant of Omicron – although it had “some novel features which are of concern”.”
  
  So it is nothing to worry about…. just spreads a bit quicker?
  
  “Even if it isn’t more inherently dangerous, if it’s more infectious that can be just as bad because it will cause another wave of infection and when we see that happening we see all those other negative consequences,”
  
  What negative consequences? The hospitalisation numbers are complete bullshit and the concern of “long covid” has played out long ago. Does anyone take it seriously any more?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-novel-features-of-kraken-cause-for-concern-michael-baker/LTV7A4CYUBDG5N275XCEACPHYE/
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:38pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    cmm – all caused by jabbing in the middle of a pandemic. Leaky “vaccines” drive OAS. Original Antigenic Sin. Warned about 10 months ago by this blogger.
    Have a read, but it doesn’t make for encouraging information.
    
    i think we’re well past the preponderance of evidence standard here and have strong reason to believe that covid vaccines have led to omicron as an OAS variant by creating an evolutionary gradient that selected for it.
    
    but there are some reasons to be particularly worried about how this will affect the future at a societal/herd immunity level that we have not explored and i think we need to, because this antigenic fixation generated by the widespread application of a badly leaky or even infection amplifying vaccine is quite different that what occurs in nature.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/homogenizing-herd-level-antigenic?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=web
    
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    January 10, 2023 3:06pm
Maggie Pie

No wonder people’s RESIDENTIAL RATES are now well into 5 figures!

Statistics obtained under the ‘Local-Government-Official-Information-and-Meetings-Act’, confirm Auckland Council employs 436 Middle Managers, all working out of Head Office on Albert Street, are paid an average salary of $162,464.00 !!

And you can bet at least half of them wouldn’t even be required 🙁
Come on WAYNE….time to do an ELON.
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January 10, 2023 9:29am
- Taieri
  
  Auckland Council employs 436 Middle Managers, all working out of Head Office on Albert Street, are paid an average salary of $162,464.00
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  Surely, you don’t expect them to work as hard as they do just for a “living wage”?
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I like that, time to do an Elon!
  Take no prisoners. These leeches are killing Auckland.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:45am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I think you’ll find that this is under the control of the Auckland CEO and the CEO cannot be simply fired by a mayor nowadays.
  
  As I said during the Auckland mayoral election, a lot of Brown voters were going to be unhappy when they found out how little power Councillors and Mayors have. Reports and numbers like these, coming months after the election, are simply the proof of that.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:33am
  - rangitoto
    
    The council can force the issue by trimming the budget.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:54am
  - Paulus
    
    Kraken is a Norge folklore myth that goes back to around 1180AD and is either believed from then to be a deep sea squid or octopus.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:13am
  - Paulus
    
    In all Councils in New Zealand there is only one Employer and that is the CEO – not any Mayor or Councillors who are actually puppets, there to whitewash whatever the executive presure groups want.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:16am
    - MCōs
      
      You obviously have little idea how local body politics works.
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:25pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        It doesn’t work. It is dysfunctional and grossly unaccountable.
        
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        January 10, 2023 8:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Mayors really only have the power their councillors agree to grant them. Aucklanders deserve who they vote for.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:26pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      We deserve Wayne Brown for sure. Very happy to have him too.
      
      Milky – I’m not even sadistic enough to say that you deserve Tory. Hang in there, I’m sure everything will be alright.
      
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      January 10, 2023 5:28pm
- MCōs
  
  5% of rates goes towards administration.
  32% towards public transport
  32% towards parks, libraries, pools, community activities
  It’s all on your rates notification.
  My rates are nowhere near five figures even though they went up 15% this time.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:40pm
  - JeffW
    
    Admin should be cut, significantly.
    Public transport subsidies should be cut (worst case held constant in dollar terms).
    Community activities should be cut significantly, not core Council business.
    
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    January 10, 2023 2:27pm
    - MCōs
      
      I used to live in Bangkok
      No rates
      Water undrinkable and no pressure.
      No sewerage system
      No libraries
      No public pools in a very hot city
      Few public parks
      Leave for work/school at 6am to beat the traffic
      Certainly no community activities
      
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      January 10, 2023 5:30pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    If you believe that you’ll believe anything. From the 22-23 Annual Plan Direct Revenue from fees and charges is $273M. Direct Expenditure on staff is $203M. The cost of just those middle managers is $75M = 28% of rates and charges income.
    
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    January 10, 2023 7:58pm
Taieri

A woman with the mission (or should it be rephrased as “obsession”?):

The Government is seeking feedback on measures to help reduce the number of young people vaping.

“Youth vaping is becoming increasingly popular, with many choosing to vape despite never having smoked,” Associate Health Minister Dr Ayesha Verrall said.

“Alongside our efforts to reduce tobacco smoking, we want to ensure vaping products are safe, regulated and are only being used for cessation purposes as intended.”

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/stronger-measures-proposed-tackle-youth-vaping

Wouldn’t it be nice if all this energy and resources were to be directed at reducing hospital surgery waiting lists?

As an aside, this press release is authored by Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall. Are associate ministers entitled to “Hon” prefix?
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January 10, 2023 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She is a waste of space.
  Reduce surgery waiting lists?
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:50am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I agree with your assessment of Verrall but come from another angle on vaping. It is just another example of a lack of foresight leading to reactive political management.
  
  Release nicotine products into the market with no regulations, controls, and open slather on marketing.
  
  Surprise, surprise teenagers in droves take up this new addictive habit. Just talk to your local high school to see what a problem it is.
  
  If it was intended only to reduce existing tobacco smoking consumption then more proactive thinking should have gone into this.
  
  Maybe they think their popularity improves from crisis management, which leads to creating crisis to manage.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:34am
  - cmm
    
    Some testing performed in other countries show that many of the “low nicotine” or “zero nicotine” vape juices have high nicotine levels.
    
    Vaping is not the health option.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:33am
    - Taieri
      
      vape juices have high nicotine levels
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      Not just vape juices…
      
      An average tomato has a nicotine concentration of 7.1 -7.3 ng/g
      
      And many other food plants, for example a cauliflower contains 16.8 ng/g of nicotine.
      
      As for vape not being the health option, it is far healthier than smoking as it contains no tar.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:45am
      - cmm
        
        It is ridiculous talking about nicotine levels in tomato.
        
        Tobacco has approx 12mg/g. That is 2 million times as much as is in tomatoes.
        
        To get a feel for the scale: compare the length of NZ to the length of your arm. That’s about the same.
        
        Vape juices go way higher than what is in cigarettes.
        
        Sure, vaping might not have tar in it, but it’s got a whole lot of other crap in there: glycols etc to make the “smoke” and all the flavouring agents etc.
        
        Perhaps the tar isn’t as bad. Perhaps it isn’t the evil it has been made out to be. After all, all wood smoke etc have tars in them and we have evolved through thousands of generations of living in smokey caves & huts.
        
        From my limited understanding, while the tars have negative impacts on the structures in your lungs the nicotine causes much of the damage in the heart etc. Just getting rid of the tars is only part of the problem.
        
        ie. those that have given up smoking by switching to vaping are likely fooling themselves somewhat.
        
        I am in no way promoting smoking, but I think it far too simplistic to say that anything that can substitute for smoking just must be better.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:25pm
      - Taieri
        
        glycols etc to make the “smoke”
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        Clicked on “report” by mistake, sorry.
        
        Glycol is a very common food additive.
        
        far too simplistic to say that anything that can substitute for smoking just must be better.
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        Perhaps. I’m sure the “science” will have a lot to say about it. But after 43 years of smoking and the last 3 years on vape I know what’s better for me.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:57pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      With it containing Nicotine does it need Medsafe approval?
      
      What Randomly Controlled Trials were required to show for non-smokers the benefits of vaping versus the impacts?
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:58am
      - cmm
        
        It “just makes sense”.
        Like wearing two masks.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:25pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  She is also the Minister for COVID-19 Response, Minister for Research, Science and Innovation, and Minister for Seniors. So yes she can use “Hon”.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:39am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    All associate ministers are entitled to that honorific; it doesn’t depend on holding a full ministerial portfolio.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:28pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “…and are only being used for cessation purposes as intended…”
  
  This is quite telling of her mentality. Who decided that vaping products are only “intended” to be used as an aid to quit smoking? Once you legalise a product anyone is free to use it.
  
  Reminds me of Jacinda saying that utes should only be purchased by people who need to use them “for legitimate purposes”. Same mentality.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:41am
  - cmm
    
    Different people have different intentions.
    
    It is the intention of the medical establishment that promotes vaping that it only replaces smoking.
    
    It is the intention of the vaping industry that as many people start vaping as possible.
    
    It is the intention of the majority of vapers to look cool – damn the consequences.
    
    One only has to look at the flavours and names of vape juices to see they are targeting yoofs: Watermelon, Energy Drink, Strawberry, Gummy Candy, …
    
    “Bite on this! Chewberry is made up of succulent sizable chunks of juicy strawberries and sweet chewy candy. Indulge in this sweet organic product and delightful chewy confection that will leave you craving more. Chewberry is guaranteed to satisfy your sweet tooth.”
    
    Is $60 for a bottle of e-juice too much for you? No worries – pay it off in 6 instalments!
    
    https://www.shosha.co.nz/kiwi-vapor-chewberry-e-liquid-120ml
    
    We now have a situation where there are vape shops popping up all over the place (+ at every service station and various online etc). In my drive to the beach I go past at least 3. Remember when there were tobacconists on every corner? Now there are vape outlets.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:51am
graham

I don’t do Tiktok, but was sent this video.

https://www.tiktok.com/@iamdavehurt/video/7154131981343755563

2 minutes and 20 seconds of a young black father speaking out at a school board meeting against teaching critical race theory. His ancestors were enslaved, but he states emphatically:

I am not oppressed, and I am not a victim.

Worth watching, and how I wish our country could learn from this.

“I can think of nothing more damaging to a society than to tell a baby born today that she has grievances against another baby born today simply because of what their ancestors may have done two centuries ago.”
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January 10, 2023 9:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That sort of shit happens in Hawaii. Japanese/American kids blamed for Pearl Harbour. Would the instigators prefer the other option? Live under 1940s Japan rules?
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:53am
- cmm
  
  Many slave owners in USA were themselves black. It is not just the simple black vs white picture that is painted today.
  
  Looking back:
  * Many, if not most, whites in USA are not descendant from slave owners.
  * Some blacks are descendent from both slaves and slave owners.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    We have a similar problem in NZ whereby we have Maori Radicals calling for co-governance (among other things) but we have no Maori. We have crossbreeds but no true Maori. Little wonder the country’s fucked eh?
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:02pm
Biscuit

Good news, good people…

There are now only 21 Whining Days left to January.

Of course, who knows what Ginge and Whinge have plotted for February, March, April. May, June, July, August…
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January 10, 2023 9:40am
Taieri

An interesting take on overproduction of “elites”:

https://spectator.com.au/2023/01/elite-revolt/

While it is mainly about Australian “elites”, it also reflects the current situation in NZ.
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January 10, 2023 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Certain Elites in NZ are working through a Coup.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good article, txs.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:55am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘ The product and purpose of universities seems to be subtly changing from the discovery of truth to the enforcement of dogma’.
  
  Ain’t that the truth!
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:32am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Universities developed from the medieval church and have never been dedicated to the ‘discovery of truth’, however one might define ‘truth’.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:31pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      What?
      
      Let me help you there Milky.
      
      Truth is what’s actually happening.
      
      As opposed to what one might “feel” ought to be happening.
      
      You’re welcome.
      
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      January 10, 2023 4:29pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Good article. Thanks for sharing it.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:34am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  “Universities” churning out paper pushers and bullshitters who elect a Government to employ them.
  
  And economists still wonder why productivity is low.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:55am
- Tom Hunter
  
  You may also appreciate this quote from an article, The Email Caste’s Last Stand, which takes a wider look at the implications of Musk firing lots of useless people from Twitter:
  
  In my own country, Sweden, the state picks up a lot of the slack. Here, small municipalities hire dozens or hundreds of communicators, consultants, and other plainly nonproductive personnel, and attempts to do something about it run into a very simple question: Where else are these people supposed to work? Who else would hire them? Though few will say it openly, the city of Uppsala’s nearly 100 communicators have nothing to do with communication, and everything to do with preserving social stability. It is, in essence, just part of a massive jobs program.
  
  Is that not also the perfect description for what has been happening in NZ these last few years?
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:11am
  - Jack5
    
    Yes, Tom, it is what’s been happening in NZ.
    
    The Reserve Bank is an example. It has more communications staff than economists.
    
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    January 10, 2023 9:13pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  And if you want to see a great example of who these people are, take a look at A day in the life and Begun, the Twitter Wars have.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:14am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Only one dead link there, Tom.
    How is that blogsite getting on these days, BTW?
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:32pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The commentary on massive numbers of graduates reminded me of an old joke:
  
  Q: What did the liberal arts graduate say to the science graduate?
  
  A: “Would you like any fries with that?”
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:51am
  - cmm
    
    The old one was “fries”, but given the BLM “protests” etc, “fires” works well for an updated version of the joke.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:57am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Fries?
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:59am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      French fries (aka “freedom fries”) are a form of fried potato chips.
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:33pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I know. I queried the misspelling.
        
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        January 10, 2023 4:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Chips, or French fries, seem to have originated in Belgium, but alliteration often wins.
        
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        January 10, 2023 9:16pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX479pwi-h4

What Stalling McCarthy Really Showed Us; Brazilian Protesters Raid Their National Congress.

The Freedom Caucus delayed the nomination of House Speaker Kevin McCarthy 14 times before conceding to allow him through on the 15th vote. While doing this they forced various agreements including a new ability for representatives to attempt to remove a House Speaker from their position. The votes were more than just a political spectacle. What they demonstrated was the end of the “uniparty.” Meanwhile, in a developing story, protesters in Brazil have raided their National Congress, and have allegedly broken windows and doors to enter the Supreme Court Building. This follows the election of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and the slow build-up of mass protests against his incoming presidency.
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January 10, 2023 9:52am
curry4me

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2023/01/07/watch-six-journalists-arrested-for-releasing-video-showing-south-sudan-president-wetting-himself-n1659638
Six Journalists Arrested for Releasing Video Showing South Sudan President Wetting Himself.
South Sudan’s President Salva Kiir has been in office since the country became independent in 2011. The 71-year-old had been rumored to be in ill health for months, but during a photo-op in December, Kiir was shown standing during the nation’s national anthem and wetting himself in a most embarrassing way. [Will Brandon be next?]
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January 10, 2023 9:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kiwiblog question. What is the meaning of comments background colours?
Some pink, some yellow, there may be others. I honestly don’t know, but there must be a reason.
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January 10, 2023 10:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Comments go into the yellow when the number of upticks outnumbers downticks by at least 20.
  
  Comments go into the pink when there is a high proportion of down ticks to upticks.
  
  Comments disappear when there’s been numerous downticks (?20)
  
  (or at least, I think that’s how it works)
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:22am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I always read “pink” comments. It is interesting to see comments with high numbers of both upticks and downticks.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:43am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Think comments disappear when downticks outnumber upticks by 30.
    
    I wrote about down voting back in the day: Downvote Olympics
    
    The Kiwiblog Downvote Olympics have grown in popularity over the past decade. The competition sees seasoned professionals and aspiring newcomers vie for the downvote crown by posting commentary that rigorously defies approval while simultaneously receiving prodigious, single-click opprobrium.
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:48am
  - graham
    
    I think comments disappear when they receive 30 downticks.
    
    As I write this there is a comment with:
    
    Thumb up 2
    Thumb down 27
    
    showing in pink.
    
    ————————-
    
    Edit: I see krazykiwi has also said this
    
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    January 10, 2023 10:49am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Here is a post with 23 upticks and 46 downticks. It is visible, and pink.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thanks everyone. Got it now.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:55am
- Ghost
  
  Pink, the comment is a girl
  Yellow, the comment is a bit dehydrated.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:52am
  - Don Beckett
    
    …..or jaundiced. 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:34pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Sweden: A Syrian refugee Majd Shhada with 8 convictions, who savagely beaten, raped & impregnated a young woman, to avoid deportation

Court ruled him, He will not be deported because his homeland is ‘too dangerous’ & he risks military service.

Is it a stretch to think this could happen in NZ? Certainly a woke court is already a reality.
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January 10, 2023 10:14am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If there is no punishment for bad behavior, then Sweden shall have more of it.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:56am
- cmm
  
  It has happened in NZ. That was the basis of one of Sroubek’s appeals.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:30pm
I remember when

Judith Curry: Academics and the Grid. Part I:
Comment from article by a power engineer.
“There isn’t even a working ‘renewables only’ grid to point to as something to emulate.
That says a lot more than what people will admit.”
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January 10, 2023 10:15am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Eventually the morons that vote for this shit will wake up to the nightmare they are creating.
  
  Mmm, I’d give it about 5 years at this point.
  
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  January 10, 2023 4:40pm
I remember when

A catch-up with a friend who isolated with a family group after a recent get-to-gether, because of two developing covid.
Three in the group caught covid while four of them developed RSV.
Those with RSV suffered much more serious illness.
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January 10, 2023 10:35am
- burt
  
  Remember the good times when we were all getting vaccinated to develop herd immunity…
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:45am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Why don’t we have RSV RAT tests? Because we run a third world incompetent medical dictatorship here in NZ.
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:57am
  - MCōs
    
    Grizzle grizzle
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:02am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      The consequence of allowing government to destroy freedoms as in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
      
      It would be interesting to calculate how many people Medsafe has killed.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:23am
  - Ghost
    
    Available overseas https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/rapid-tests-covid-rsv-flu-are-available-europe-stopping-us-rcna64470
    
    Our health system may be bad under little and Ardern but it’s not as bad as it could get. I was talking to a friend in the uk yesterday, she was waiting for a call back from 111, was advised if they couldn’t get back to her in that time an ambulance would be dispatched. I told her to just got to the emergency department, she said no point, 20 hour wait at her hospital, ambulances lined up out outside with patients dying in the ambulances. Talked to another friend, a person in her town called an ambulance with breathing difficulties, took 6 hours to get an ambulance.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:05am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Yes, if you are dependent on the public health system in the UK your life is now worthless to the system.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:25am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But I thought Brexit was going to save the UK government enough money to properly fund the NHS.
        
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        January 10, 2023 12:48pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        The problem is structural, not financial. Their NHS is pure socialism without enough capitalism to make it operable. In consequence its bureaucrat class have succeeded in benefiting themselves to the exclusion of everyone else.
        
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        January 10, 2023 1:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I sure hope Jaspinda does not read this. If she becomes aware of the UK situation, she will know how much more she can push us.
      That is how ‘control’ of the peasants works.
      
      “Our Health system is a mess, fix it!”
      “Oh well, it is not as bad as the UK’ See how she would divert?
      
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      January 10, 2023 12:44pm
    - mogg
      
      They might not have ambulances but they have got 8000 new ‘diversity managers’ at $150,000 per annum each.
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:22pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I see Radio NZ has its Summer Programme schedule operating until Wgtn Anniversary Weekend, as is traditional. Regular hosts are all on leave & many programmes feature repackaged highlights from 2022.

By contrast, most private sector people I know are back at work this week. In part that’s due to school-age families needing to conserve leave to look after the kids during the school holidays.

Interestingly, many public service people remain on leave, in part because many seem to have a minimum of five weeks leave (or four weeks plus the Christmas-New Year departmental days that don’t count as annual leave usage). Parliament too remains in recess.

My conclusion is that Radio NZ remains aligned with its Wellington public sector listeners but is increasingly out of touch with the private sector that funds them.

Not a blinding revelation in itself, but a case in point.
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January 10, 2023 10:41am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “… many public service people remain on leave, ”
  
  What was that about New Zealand’s declining productivity?
  
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  January 10, 2023 10:57am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The impact will be as undetectable as their productivity.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:28am
- MCōs
  
  They have some pretty good stuff all the same.
  There was a lengthy item on the history of the banjo, which may seem a bit hokey, but was actually fascinating.
  Plus an interview with Sting going back to his big band days in the fifties.
  Bit better than listening to endless covid and bad weather news and Kane explaining they didn’t bat fast enough.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:01am
- Inandout
  
  Never, ZB also has ‘summer radio’ where hosts like Hosking take off early December and return late January. They seem to think listeners will twiddle their thumbs waiting like in pre internet days. Times have changed.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:03am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    They have the woke fill ins.
    
    The listeners curse and switch off.
    
    They might as well just have public loo music.
    
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    January 10, 2023 4:46pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And do you listen to many RNZ shows in your place of exile?
      
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      January 10, 2023 6:32pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Zero Milky, Zero! A few years ago I streamed them and realised they’d been completely consumed by the woke brain virus.
        
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        January 10, 2023 6:59pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Milky – The amount of times you make lame jokes about “NZer in exile’s” place of abode after they comment is nauseating.
        
        Might need to change your handle to MMAgain&again&again&again&againAdNausseum
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:22pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  ” many public service people remain on leave, in part because many seem to have a minimum of five weeks leave (or four weeks plus the Christmas-New Year departmental days that don’t count as annual leave usage). ”
  
  No most public servants in Wellington have five weeks leave plus the 3 days days between 25 December and 2 January that are bot public holidays. Therefore most Wellington public servants get 28 days annual leave.
  
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  January 10, 2023 6:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I think most public service contracts are five weeks’ leave including those three days. But contracts vary as it is obviously more efficient for every public sector agency to have different terms and conditions for their employment contracts//
    
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    January 10, 2023 6:35pm
blue collar

The yanks better sort their military shit out pronto .
Instead of worrying about confederate fort names and all the other woke shit , they need hypersonic missiles developed right now .

Where did woke come from ? Coz quite frankly , you cdnt hv destroyed western society , institutions , military’s any easier or better . Is it a Chinese seeded thing or what ?

The Israelis used to hv massive pull in the USA by infiltrating institutions ….. hv the wooly woks done this aswell ????
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January 10, 2023 10:46am
- cmm
  
  The Yanks are massively slow at weapons system development. It takes them twice as long to design a new bit of kit than anyone else does.
  
  It is telling that that the last time they developed a good aeroplane, the engineers were still using drawing boards and slide rules.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump 2024. The Military will get strong.
    Those joining to get a sex change or whatever on the Govt, will be railroaded.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:52pm
    - Jack5
      
      First US Air Force hypersonic missile successfully tested.
      
      https://www.space.com/us-air-force-launches-first-hypersonic-missile
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:39pm
      - blue collar
        
        Good shit , not operational but nearly there 👌
        
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        January 10, 2023 2:02pm
Maggie Pie

Wonder if ‘Waka Kotahi’ knows about this……

Someone might like to bring it to Nicole Rosie’s attention?

https://studyfinds.org/why-was-roman-concrete-durable/
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January 10, 2023 11:03am
- Taieri
  
  Exactly one year ago a stretch of SH87 from Outram to Middlemarch (Lee Stream to Nichols Rock section) was resurfaced. It is already disintegrating despite the very low traffic volumes on this highway. I’m not a roading specialist but it evident that the asphalt can’t handle summer temperatures and is melting and seeping through the surface compound creating series of potholes. And not just potholes as in some places the whole top part of the road surface is being stripped.
  
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  January 10, 2023 11:21am
  - Ghost
    
    Shit we need to investigate why that has lasted so long. Maybe it could be rolled out and used in the roads that need repair straight after they have been resurfaced.
    
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    January 10, 2023 11:25am
    - Taieri
      
      There’s very little traffic on SH87 at anytime. I travel there regularly and very often there’re no other vehicles at all, right through the entire 116 km stretch from Outram to Kyeburn.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:49am
  - cmm
    
    No doubt global warming…
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:34pm
    - Taieri
      
      Quite likely.
      
      But crappy asphalt is just as likely.
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:01pm
  - Raphael
    
    I think the problem is that the government paid for the decrease in fuel taxes by simply stripping the funding from NZTA, as a result, I think (purely my speculation) that NZTA has had to buy cheaper quality materials.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:57pm
    - blue collar
      
      We used to make our own brew at marsden point . Now we import . Too small to get our brew , gotta take what we can get n it’s unsuitable .
      Let’s go Brenda let’s go !
      
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      January 10, 2023 1:37pm
- Sol Invictus
  
  Many thanks. Brilliant article! I have a small piece of roman concrete on my PC and I now have even more respect for it than previously.
  
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  January 10, 2023 7:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Julian:
Only yesterday, I talked to a Maori forensic accountant.
He reported that he is being inundated with requests from Maori to investigate fraud and corruption in various tribes around the country.
These tribes have been gifted significant funds by government, but these funds have been hoarded / misappropriated by families at the top of the tribal tree.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/raising-25k-for-the-stop-co-governance-nz-road-tour-update-9th-january-2023/
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January 10, 2023 11:04am
- cmm
  
  It’s OK, because the taxpayer can always be shaken down for top-ups etc.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No top-ups means you are “Racist”
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:56pm
- Raphael
  
  I remember a while ago, (I can’t recall if it was on a Hearld FB post or not) I was praising one Iwi for actually using some of their settlement money in order to benefit the member of the Iwi (again can’t recall if it was a housing project or something that provided jobs for iwi members). But I had a chap lay into me for daring to suggest that the Iwi should be using their settlement money in a way that benefits the whole tribe because the government should be providing that.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is the attitude. (shaking head)
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:57pm
Maggie Pie

Only just in…..
WARNING: some may find it upsetting.

My partner retweets leaked Prince Harry Apache Helicopter footage.

https://twitter.com/DaveJEvans70/status/1612518134434390016
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January 10, 2023 11:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  😂😂😂
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:04pm
ClanMcleod

Another young, fit athlete “dies suddenly”. Climate change is getting real bad. //

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/victoria-lee-dies-age-18-mma-fighter/
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January 10, 2023 12:07pm
- Ghost
  
  I saw that last night, got the feeling by the sister comment it could be suicide.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ghost – No idea, but the fact that it’s even causing suspicion is a sad reflection of the damage done to once trustworthy institutions. There has undoubtedly been a massive rise in “died suddenly” cases in the last 18 months. Unfortunately for the jabbers this is lining up perfectly with the jab rollout so of course there will be suspicion.
    I posted on it a few days ago. The number of cases is 20 times the average over the previous 30 years. They aren’t covid deaths. Something odd is happening and it should be enough to stop the jabs and investigate.
    I think those responsible are afraid of what it might show. If I was then I’d be afraid too.
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:34pm
Nickc2

I just heard Francesca Rudkin of TalkbackZB announce it was the Wedding Season.
Perhaps Cindy’ll announce a date for her forthcoming wedding on Waitangi Day seeing as she’s not going to be there. I wonder if the fisherman has been forewarned about this?
That’ll take the gloss of Waitangi Day for her Disciples eh?
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January 10, 2023 12:15pm
bennerg

Bryce Edwards reports in NewsHub on the projected big pay increase for MPs.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/01/bryce-edwards-mps-may-be-set-for-big-post-election-pay-increase.html

National and ACT could achieve a major coup here, by refusing to accept the pay rise, and donate any increase to a recognised charity etc.
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January 10, 2023 12:40pm
- Nickc2
  
  Speaking of Politicians, Salaries, and Corruption, did Cindy ever follow through with donating a portion of her salary to charity while she was on Maternity Leave?
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jacinda-ardern-to-donate-portion-of-salary/N6XU6LDUKXTCUEF5MTTFMOPHJQ/
  I guess that’s a question only Audry Young (Herald Scribbler) can answer, but will she?
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:54pm
- MCōs
  
  I don’t begrudge the MPs the money they make. It’s a tough grind.
  Freezing their salary is the ultimate in virtual signaling.
  The lower the salary the more likelihood too many of the MPs will rely on a second income.
  In the good old days the MPs in the House of Commons weren’t paid at all resulting in members being wealthy land owners and the like.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:59pm
  - Swifty
    
    Ah, the good old days – when whole towns and cities were built from scratch.
    
    Out of nothing.
    
    Compared to today when we can’t even manage the water network the old timers gifted us without cocking it up.
    
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    January 10, 2023 3:12pm
    - MCōs
      
      Nobody gifted anybody anything.
      They borrowed money to install the infrastructure and future generations paid it back.
      The problem then was a lot of the pipes were left underground until they rotted.
      Technically known as kicking the can down the road.
      Councils know it costs an arm and a leg to maintain that stuff.
      
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      January 10, 2023 5:14pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’d rather list MP’s were paid the minimum wage. Most are useless and invisible in equal measure, turning up only to vote as they told to.
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:14pm
- Inandout
  
  benn, the US salaries have crept along but ours have gone ballistic.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaries_of_members_of_the_United_States_Congress
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:37pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Is it true that their salary was on a par with police and nurses back in the 60s?
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:41pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’ll try to research that for you.
    
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    January 10, 2023 2:45pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Milky – research. There’s always a first for everything.
      
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      January 10, 2023 3:10pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        Anyone else think the mmmm’s are paid by the gov to troll this site?
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:34pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You are more than welcome to find better figures, Clan Mclod, but here are some early one to start with. In 1951, the prime minister received a salary of £1,800, the most senior public servants received a salary of £1,200 pounds and the average assessable income was £450 pounds.
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:57pm
Jack5

Split coming between Green nirvanists and Maori separatists?

Activists are pushing for Maori to have rights to kill protected birds on conservation land – i.e., in national parks.

Conservation laws may be in for a shake-up to allow this, says an article on the web site of State radio (a.k.a. Radio NZ, Red Radio).

The article says a Department of Conservation report calls for an overhaul of Aotea’s [sic] conservation laws to have Maori at their heart. It describes this as a move away from “preservation and protection” to “maintenance, enhancement and sustainable use”.

As separatist policies go, this is up there with the police setting up special firearms training for Maori.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482171/can-customary-harvesting-of-nz-s-native-species-be-sustainable-archaeology-palaeo-ecology-provide-some-answers
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January 10, 2023 12:41pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Moa, Moa, where art thou Moa.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:47pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Saw a letter to an editor today asking why trout is a protected species while the longfin eel is not.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:50pm
  - cmm
    
    Well that’s moronic.
    Trout species, there are many, are not protected.
    Trout fishing is controlled (eg. need a license), but they are not protected.
    
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    January 10, 2023 12:57pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Distinction without a difference. So far as I can tell, people are free to take as many eels from a river as they wish to but taking one trout without a license is an offence.
      
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      January 10, 2023 2:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So far as I can tell, people are free to take as many eels from a river as they wish to
        
        FALSE!!!!
        
        and has been for ages..
        There is a limit of 6 eels/person/day for recreational fishers.
        
        https://www.mpi.govt.nz/fishing-aquaculture/fisheries-management/freshwater-eel-fisheries/
        
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        January 10, 2023 3:27pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks Maggy. Either is misread the letter in this morning’s paper of the writer was misinformed. So I can take six tuna from Te Awa Kairangi (if I could find any) but taking one trout without paying for a license is asking for trouble?
        
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        January 10, 2023 4:00pm
  - Taieri
    
    Trout is not protected, but as an “acclimatised” fish it can’t be sold or otherwise commercialized. And may it stay this way forever!
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:03pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Trout tastes nicer than eel.
    
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    January 11, 2023 8:18pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Many people have long advocated that our national heritage assets could be managed better. Perhaps farming some endangered species could be on the menu, so to speak.
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    Farming kiwi has been suggested as a way of saving the bird, but would Maori allow it?
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2016/10/is-kiwi-farming-the-way-to-save-our-national-bird.html
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:31pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As I’ve noted before, environmentalists like to have a monopoly on killing things.
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:18pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They love playing God. Ideological nutters. As proven by milky’s comment above.
    Spare us from these clowns. 🤡
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:36pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “….conservation laws to have Maori at their heart…”
  
  How absurd. And offensive. Should not the vulnerable species be at the “heart” of conservation?
  
  IIRC more than 50 New Zealand birds went extinct since human arrival, a majority of which occurred before 1840.
  
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  January 10, 2023 1:48pm
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    correct.
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:55pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There were two waves of vast human-induced change to the New Zealand landscape. The first, over about 200 years since humans arrived in the 13th century. The second, over the nearly 180 years since widespread colonial settlement.
    
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    January 10, 2023 2:51pm
emmess

Wow 340 comments on GD by lunchtime
Busy day today
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January 10, 2023 12:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wet day today
  
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  January 10, 2023 12:57pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Finding it hard to keep the NY resolution not to bother to downtick the mmmm’s.
    
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    January 10, 2023 1:38pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G.!!!!!

One of the girls from tennis has just sent me the link to ‘TAMPONGATE’

Recorded in 1989 when Prince Charles and Princess Diana were still married, here’s Charlie & Camilla getting it on over the phone 😛

Full transcript:

https://mirror.co.uk/news/how-camillagate-tapes-exposed-secret-10958350
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January 10, 2023 12:56pm
Jack5

First Trump, now Biden taking secret papers out of the Presidential office.

And in Biden’s case, the papers seem to have been left at offices of his son, Penn Biden.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/classified-documents-bidens-time-vice-president-discovered-penn-biden-center-white-house-says
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January 10, 2023 1:11pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Apparently Baza Soetoro took half the whitehouse with him.
  
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  January 10, 2023 4:51pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    And Donald Drumpf the rest.
    
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    January 10, 2023 6:38pm
blue collar

QUESTION :

Does someone in the govt hv family/mates running and / or in charge of the umbrella orgsanisatio of supermarkets ??

I first grew suspicious when the govt said we can only get food at supermarkets during covid , no butchers , fruit n veg , minimarts etc . Logic said spread the people out not cram them in . Seemed weird
The govt investigation into pricing and monopolies did nothing. , token gesture …. Hmmmm convenient
Now I’m sure somethings going on with the tobacco push to stiff dairies , a few suppliers only and of course supermarkets. This will be a massive gain for them as few locations means logically people will buy their baccy at the supermarket for convenience sake instead of driving all over the place to get it .
There are 300,000 odd smokers in Nz , still big bucks
So I ask myself this . Who gains ?
Supermarkets
They hv been aided by the govt through and through and I smell a rat .
So who is it in power that’s connected and causing this rort ?
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January 10, 2023 1:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  More likely to be something to do with the relationship between First Union, The Labour Party and the Supermarkets.
  
  FIRST Union has a Collective Agreement with Countdown that covers the workers in all 187 shops spread throughout NZ.
  
  Both Foodstuff Cooperatives’ operate an owner/operator model which means the Union has to negotiate the wages and conditions with each individual shop. Most of the North Island Pak “n Saves are now unionised and have Collective Agreements and we have started organising and negotiating at New World.
  
  https://www.firstunion.org.nz/my-industry/retail-finance-and-commerce/supermarket-workers
  
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  January 10, 2023 3:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden welcomed at the Border.
https://rumble.com/v24lxpy-lol-look-how-biden-got-welcomed-at-the-border.html
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January 10, 2023 1:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZ needs this, but it will never happen.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/djjv28a-WrU
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January 10, 2023 1:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Never give up.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8eu2R3cN1ls
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January 10, 2023 1:52pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Could you imagine Biden passing out those types of messages? He wouldn’t understand them let alone enunciate them properly, and his minders wouldn’t let him anyway.
  
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  January 10, 2023 2:00pm
- Bridgenag
  
  We were all so naive …… “Only happens in America.”…..
  
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  January 10, 2023 3:38pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Can you name ONE other organization in the world that would pay the gay MP-for-Tijuana $200k per annum for doing SFA?

Asking for a friend.
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January 10, 2023 2:39pm
- Ghost
  
  Biden administration?
  
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  January 10, 2023 2:43pm
  - blue collar
    
    😅 gold brother ghost
    
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    January 10, 2023 2:57pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t pick on Jen Psaki – or the bubble head that’s replaced her, Karine Jean-Pierre. This is gold.
    
    https://youtu.be/v7q3JW5kAWU
    
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    January 10, 2023 3:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Auckland Council
  
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  January 10, 2023 2:54pm
  - Ghost
    
    Any Council
    
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    January 10, 2023 2:56pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Is your friend thinking of offering the gay Mexican a job?
  
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  January 10, 2023 7:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Why…do you know Juan?
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:17pm
Jack5

z … cancelled … sorry
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January 10, 2023 2:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gen Debate up to 425 comments. This can only mean one thing.
The Public Sector don’t know what to do, and they don’t know why they are there.
Some working from home are not working because there is no work to do.
That is what I think it means anyway.
Duck Steve, incoming lefties by the dozens!
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January 10, 2023 2:54pm
- blue collar
  
  I’m still on holiday steveo !
  Wife back at work …. Free time .
  Next week crickets from moi
  
  No need to celebrate milky … I got a great conspiracy theory for ya 😘
  
  I was wondering , is milky n Batman etc , the regular trolls …. Is it possible they are paid to be trolls and liven up the blog ?
  Needle away , challenge facts , prevent a boring echo chamber ?
  You can’t be that pathetic consistently , and he has proven on the odd occasion to be insightful and informative .
  
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  January 10, 2023 3:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Batman, who is this Batman you speak of Kemosabe?
    
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    January 10, 2023 4:43pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The only commenter who mentioned that he was also a moderator. So was consequently blamed for lots, of course.
      
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      January 10, 2023 6:40pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    prevent a boring echo chamber ?
    
    Wot? KB an echo chamber/chanting circle?
    
    Wash your mouth …. 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2023 7:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More weirdos upset about a names. This is USA.
I would have thought ‘Lost Coon Lake’ meant ‘Lost Racoon Lake’ Nope!
https://thegoptimes.com/they-were-forced-to-change-the-name-of-a-lake-because-libs-said-it-was-racist-3/
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January 10, 2023 3:42pm
- Ghost
  
  Nope originally called ah, something else
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Coon_Lake
  
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  January 10, 2023 3:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Who are you going to believe, the GOP Times or Wikipedia?
    
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    January 10, 2023 4:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Neither!
      Mike is who we believe
      
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      January 10, 2023 4:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Wise choice, Grasshopper.
        
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        January 10, 2023 6:41pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  There’s been Coon Cheese in Aus for decades (surname of founder). The company caved to the woke fascists and changed the company name to “Cheer”.
  
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  January 10, 2023 4:55pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve never been to COSTCO….wouldn’t go there in a fit anyway.

What are these masked-morons screeching about?

https://twitter.com/Edwin07011/status/1612516836540555264

SHEESH!!
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January 10, 2023 4:06pm
- Ghost
  
  I think I need subtitles to understand her. I’m guessing it’s something to do with her roots coming through and showing that’s not her natural hair colour?
  
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  January 10, 2023 4:13pm
- emmess
  
  Welcome to Costco, I love you
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIFCWpn4qQ4
  
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  January 10, 2023 4:17pm
Taieri

“COVID vaccine hesitancy is associated with significant increased risks of a traffic crash. An awareness of these risks might help to encourage more COVID vaccination”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36470796/

In my ignorance, I was under the impression that increased risk of traffic crashes was due to the climate change. Thanks to the University of Toronto scientist for this wonderful piece of enlightment.
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January 10, 2023 4:14pm
Hugh Jarse

Labour and Green MP’s are most likely on the best money they will ever get and are insulated from the impacts of their policies by a large salary plus perks. Best they don’t get any pay increase this year so they get a little more of an understanding of what it’s like to have high inflation and static wages. Their delivery performance certainly doesn’t justify a wage increase, it has been abysmal. Chris Luxon needs to come out and state they will reverse any proposed increase given the financial situation facing New Zealand this year.
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January 10, 2023 4:27pm
Maggie Pie

I see where the Taliban leadership has come out and issued a statement saying they will not seek revenge against Harry.

Their spokeswoman went on to say…. “Even Allah could not conceive of a worse punishment than leaving him with Meghan”.
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January 10, 2023 4:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Good news, his book is half price in London already, still too much for the half prince and the, oh wait that was Harry Potter, this is just another pot head
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/royals/300781475/prince-harrys-spare-finally-goes-on-sale-10-new-things-we-learnt
  
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  January 10, 2023 4:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Please, can we talk about the weather, or something more important than the weather?
  Play school TV 1 just became interesting.
  Shit I was wrong!!!!
  
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  January 10, 2023 5:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    Sure, new topic, discuss how this makes you feel Steve
    
    photo
    
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    January 10, 2023 5:56pm
    - Taieri
      
      Sorry…
      
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      January 10, 2023 6:25pm
Swifty

Starkey gives to Harry good and hard:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vxlB_YUwaDk

A joy.
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January 10, 2023 5:06pm
Ghost

CDC Finally Releases VAERS Safety Monitoring Analyses For COVID Vaccines

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/cdc-finally-releases-vaers-safety-monitoring-analyses-covid-vaccines
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January 10, 2023 5:28pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes. After two years during which time literally billions of people got injected with theses experimental genetic concoctions the CDC has the brazen temerity to call this analysis, and I quote, “an early warning system”.
  
  They are reprehensible Pfizer/Moderna shills with blood on their hands.
  
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  January 10, 2023 6:36pm
Maggie Pie

Whenever Wendy Petrie reads the news on TV1, my partner insists I don’t change the channel.

But honestly, what a strange little creature that guy ‘Dan’ is that does the Weather. His actions remind me of an underfed Marionette.

Just saying.
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January 10, 2023 6:23pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Newshub is a better watch.
  
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  January 10, 2023 6:43pm
  - Jack5
    
    Newshub is very Woke, so it’s not surprising Milky likes it.
    
    Tonight, for example, in a piece on Maori remedies being used to combat kauri “dieback”, there was implication that “institutional racism” for what sounded like three centuries had blocked use of alternative “science”.
    
    Wily-Willie Jackson’s Labour team is out to juice up a merged TVNZ-Radio NZ with scores of millions of taxpayer dollars, and Willie’s Wonder will push Woke-ism.
    
    By its marketing position, Newshub-TV3’s owner, Warner Bros International Television Production NZ, seems to be showing uncharacteristic absence of business nous.
    
    The market gap in New Zealand is the 85 per cent of the population who aren’t Maori.
    
    Those interested in finance details can see the company’s accounts at the link below. Comments would be welcome on the company’s 2021 jump in consolidated profit from approaching zero the previous year. Also the fall in net operational cash inflow, after a jump in staff payments.
    
    https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/BFDD269DE1907D6E7A8AAF6929D2B26E
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:03pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      No, mate. Discovery, now Warner Bros Discovery owns Newshub/TV3 and Mediaworks radio. It’s an American company.
      
      Warner Bros International Television Production NZ is exactly that, a local production company which produces reality TV content from international titles for both TV3 and TVNZ.
      
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      January 10, 2023 11:32pm
      - Muttonbird
        
        Sorry, Warner Bros Discovery does not own Mediaworks radio, that’s the bit that was not sold and is still owned by Oaktree Capital, another American company.
        
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        January 10, 2023 11:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        Muttonbird, it would be helpful if you can find for us NZ registration (as required) of the company you mention, “Warner Brothers Discovery” or “Discovery Warner Brothers”.
        
        I can find a company listed as “Warner Bros ITVP NZ Projects Ltd”.
        
        It is owned by Warner Bros. International Television Production New Zealand Ltd, and apparently doesn’t need to file its financial results in NZ. That suggests it is minor.
        
        There is a Discovery NZ Ltd, which is owned by Singapore-based Discovery Networks Asia-Pacific Pte, Ltd. Is that the former owner of TV3?
        
        Its last filed financial statement, for the December 2021 financial year, reports a loss of $20.9 million.
        
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        January 11, 2023 12:16am
      - Jack5
        
        … in addition to my 12.16 post..
        
        The Discovery NZ report contains this:
        
        … the directors of Warners Bros. Discovery, Inc. (formerly known as Discovery, Inc.) (the ultimate parent entity) have accepted the responsibility of providing and undertake to provide sufficient financial assistance to the Company as and when it is needed to enable the Company to continue its operations and fulfil all of its financial obligations now and in the future. The undertaking is provided for a minimum period of twelve months from the date of signing the financial statements.
        
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        January 11, 2023 12:24am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Discovery NZ Ltd. is the one. That’s as registered with the companies office. Ultimate holding company Discovery, Inc from Wilmington De, USA.
        
        The additional NZBN information box has this website which shows they are Discovery NZ Ltd calling themselves Warner Bros. Discovery
        
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        January 11, 2023 2:19pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Surely not ?
  
  Would you sooner have the temporary weather girls that have been filing in over the Holidays ?
  
  Dan is a Meteorologist and gives the full weather report.
  None better than Dan Corbett.
  
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  January 10, 2023 7:46pm
  - graham
    
    Thumbs up from me, barnacle bill. Dan Corbett is animated, knows his stuff, and – unlike the woman who often presents in the weekends – I can actually understand him.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:39pm
Taieri

Stuffed creative writer Olivia Wannan reports:

“In an alternate world where humans never burned fossil fuels, ex-Cyclone Hale would be less wet and wild.”

“Until the world reaches net-zero emissions, weather events will become increasingly extreme, said Renwick – an IPCC author and Victoria University researcher.”

So, if the world reaches net-zero emissions, we will no longer have to worry about extreme weather events as all weather events will become non-extreme? No more rainy days for Gisborne either…

The deadliest cyclones in history:

1. Great Bhola Cyclone, Bangladesh 1970 (Nov. 12) Bay of Bengal 300,000-500,000
2. Hooghly River Cyclone, India and Bangladesh 1737 Bay of Bengal 300,000
3. Haiphong Typhoon, Vietnam 1881 West Pacific 300,000
4. Coringa, India 1839 Bay of Bengal 300,000
5. Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh 1584 Bay of Bengal 200,000
6. Great Backerganj Cyclone, Bangladesh 1876 Bay of Bengal 200,000
7. Chittagong, Bangladesh 1897 Bay of Bengal 175,000

Plenty of fossil fuel emissions in 1584

The man is an…
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January 10, 2023 6:37pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  … climate alarmist grifter.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:13pm
Tauhei Notts

CMM at 9.23 a.m. today made reference to Aesop’s fable “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”.
A copy of that fable must be delivered to the Meteorological Office.
My daughter on the Mahurangi Peninsula says the cyclonic winds were not as bad as that experienced several months ago. Predictions of severe weather conditions in the eastern Waikato have proved to be equally fatuous.
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January 10, 2023 6:57pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Complete non-event in the Bay of Islands. A bit of drizzly rain and occasional very moderate wind gusts. I blame global warming.
  
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  January 10, 2023 8:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We’ve had some decent rain since 5pm.
    (about 25mm), but should peter out in a couple of hours – not much wind.
    
    Just another damp day, really.
    
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    January 10, 2023 8:23pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My problem is that one day they will have a serious warning, but Joe Public, sick of their panic raving, will comment;
  “If I want to listen to shit, I’ll fart”.
  And the extreme seriousness of their warning will be lost on all of us. Dreadful consequences could possibly follow.
  
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  January 10, 2023 9:08pm
- Rich Prick
  
  There’s a new “dreadful COVID”: meh, but just watch power freaks. I couldn’t give a fuck.
  
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