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Happy Distaff Day!
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January 7, 2023 8:01am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Sexist!
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:32am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I would say don’t forget Dimanagement, except that feels vaguely threatening in a mafioso kind of way so might fall foul of our excellent and beloved mods
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:27am
- JackRabbit
  
  Saint Distaff’s Day is the day when spinners go back to work after the holidays.
  
  Sorry, I wasn’t aware that the media and the Ministry of Truth took a holiday. They seem to have been very active.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:12am
- Deane Jessep
  
  My wife is downstairs alternating between quilting and spinning/knitting. She does this every year around this time to relax from work.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I love this response from Nicole McKee (Act MP) when asked how she is planning to relax this summer…and she tells the interviewer she’s going to compete in some rounds of the Ballinger Belt.
    
    I call it aromatherapy, when I get out onto the range and around firearms people.
    
    I just love the smell of it when it [gunpowder] comes back. So I’m hoping to get a bit of aromatherapy.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130771009/summer-off-politics-nicole-mckee-will-be-out-of-range-or-on-the-range
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:42am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, a good staunch woman with principles & sticks to her guns 😉
      
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      January 7, 2023 11:15am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Hahaha.
      
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      January 7, 2023 11:49am
cas

We ended up watching a bit of Sky News Australia last night. With a brutal evisceration of Harry’s goings on and a weekly tribute to what is woke we thought if the TVNZ/RNZ merger could end up with something like Sky News it might be worthwhile.
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January 7, 2023 8:15am
- crikey
  
  cas: Agree but not a “snowball’s” if it goes ahead; it will be woker than ever. However…National MPs have said they will can the merger. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t, but they might alter the terms of reference to something sensible. That said, there’s no rational reason for the merger.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:31am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    It’s typical of National that they don’t think strategically. They should just be quiet on the TVNZ/RNZ merger, for it will produce a beast that’s even worse than the two are now.
    
    All the Lefties are hoping that the good things about RNZ (good from their POV) will infect TVNZ and end the likes of Fuck Boy Island, replaced by Panorama/Horizon-type programmes.
    
    Actually it’s likely to go the other way, and even if it doesn’t the dysfunctional infighting will degrade the new entity even further, plus ever-declining viewership as the “Youf” of Gen-Z stick to watching YouTube, TikTok and the rest. At some stage a future government, desperate for savings, will just can it or cut so much budget that it will be effectively dead. And their won’t be enough people left who even know, let alone care.
    
    So I say, roll on with the merger. Waste another few hundred million. Best thing that could happen to them.
    
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    January 7, 2023 1:36pm
    - Paulus
      
      Merger of RNZ and TVNZ will not happen under the Ardern Government – too much negative in votes required in the Election.
      No money for votes required to re elect her if she is still here – I hope so.
      
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      January 7, 2023 2:07pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Zero chance of a Sky News Aus style outlet.
  
  Think pure far left BS 24/7.
  
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  January 7, 2023 11:47am
Tomtoddy

Associated Press, a major contributor to ‘news’ in NZ has admitted receiving over $12 million in ‘donations’ tagged that required them to run catastrophic climate change stories.

The money came from various wealthy funds in the USA that are run by spoiled kids and grandkids of the wealthy who would be turning in their graves if they knew where their money was going.

How much money is going into other local news media with a similar “make climate change stories scary” tag? We know the requirements to get money from the slush fund that Labour set up to bolster their image so bribing is not new or uncommon. So much for a free and independent press.
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January 7, 2023 8:15am
- Its only I
  
  What a self destructive business model.
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:27am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Seems to be working pretty well, and has clearly influenced some of the lesser brains around here. The ones who think there’s a giant thermostat that neatly dials the temperature down a couple of degrees, using nothing more than a change to the most trivial of factors that determine what the climate does, for example.
    
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    January 7, 2023 2:39pm
- Gravelroad
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130910785/antivax-group-voices-for-freedom-sets-its-sights-on-conservation-boards
  
  Once again we have government paid “journalists “ trying to interfere in a process of appointing/electing citizens to a statutory board.
  Why?
  Can only be because they are being manipulated to do this.
  It is anti-democratic.
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Journalists reporting on the aims of a group of people who want to be appointed to conservation boards is not the same a ‘trying to interfere’. But relax, none of these folk will be appointed – these advisory positions will be filled by actual conservationists recommended by local MP.
    
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    January 7, 2023 8:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      conservationists recommended by local MP
      That’s a major worry in itself!
      
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      January 7, 2023 9:11am
    - JackRabbit
      
      …these advisory positions will be filled by actual conservationists recommended by local MP.
      
      You mean the same MPs that jump on one of 4400 jets to go to a climate change conference, or that condone converting to rick O2 producing farmland to stagnant forests that produce 20% to 33% of the O2 of grassland?
      
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      January 7, 2023 10:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      these advisory positions will be filled by actual conservationists recommended by local MP
      
      It is a bit more complicated than that, especially for South Island Conservation Boards…
      
      https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/2022-go573
      
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      January 7, 2023 10:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I won’t open the link, thanks for the information though. But typical is the “anti vax” slur by Stuffed. VFF are not “anti vax.”
    The mainstream media lying again.
    
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    January 7, 2023 9:12am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Clan:
      Perhaps the story is a box ticking requirement for $tuff – “are we up to date with our schedule of paid-for “local democracy”reports as per the instructions from the government?”
      Just a warm-up for what may occur prior to the general election when “unsuitable” candidates will be investigated and outed by partisan media- same as during the local body elections .
      
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      January 7, 2023 9:35am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Gravelroad – the fourth estate in NZ is a basket case. Fortunately more and more people are realising it which is why they have the begging bowl out so often.
        If it wasn’t for government money they would have vanished a long time ago.
        
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        January 7, 2023 9:38am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Gravelroad – this response from VFF to $tuff (I’m borrowing that!) re their garbage is wonderful, worth a read.
        
        Hello Nadine,
        
        To be clear, the mandate issue has not passed. Thousands of New Zealanders are still subject to vaccine mandates in their area of employment. The Government retains the right to reinstate mandates at any time. We are unaware that any political party has changed its stance to oppose the use of mandates. The Horizon poll conducted during the parliamentary protest highlighted that one in three Kiwis supported the protesters and their goal to end the mandates. Members of the public are still using our legal resources to seek redress for unethical and unlawful dismissal, with one such case recently winning and being awarded $30k in damages, wages, and costs.
        
        VFF’s fundamental focus is on protecting the rights and freedoms of New Zealanders and preserving the Kiwi way of life for generations to come. We are not aligned with any political party. This year VFF will continue to equip New Zealanders with credible information and resources to educate and empower people to speak up on critical issues impacting us all. We remain committed to highlighting the flaws, inconsistencies, risks, and harms of global trends and private initiatives influencing NZ governance and policy. Connecting and growing our community of more than 100,000 supporters and 40,000 local group members is another key focus for VFF in 2023.
        
        In recent years Kiwis have witnessed a trend toward the central government having an increasing role in our lives. VFF believes decentralisation improves communities and ensures that populations have a voice in their local governance. We encourage our supporters to participate and invest their time and expertise in their communities and community organisations. Such involvement includes standing for democratically elected or formally appointed positions in local government, school and other community boards, Department of Conservation boards, and other institutions that benefit from a range of voices and perspectives.
        
        Voices for Freedom is a New Zealand organisation funded by Kiwis. We are not aware of any overseas funding. We know this as our team personally contacts individuals donating amounts of more than $1000.
        
        Regards,
        
        Alia
        
        https://www.voicesforfreedom.co.nz/blog/post/scraps-cutting-room-floor
        
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        January 7, 2023 12:59pm
- Simon
  
  Man made climate change is fraud. The patented bug meat everyone will be forced to eat will be worth trillions alone. Its driven by powerful US oligarchs.
  
  Its a basic grift for many of the useful idiots well down the food chain. Like NZ govt, MSM, the unemployable Greens etc. Anyone who prattles on about Zero Carbon is basically a fool. Climate emergency is another. Its an entire subsector industry.
  
  Globally man made climate fraud can be used to usher in global govt via UN.
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:49am
- Colville
  
  I was just listening to Rogan in the car… He said that something like 70% of advertising on US television is by pharmaceutical companies… What chance does the public have when when the drug dealers own the media?
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:01am
  - SoloView
    
    @ Colville
    Hard to find a current definitive figure.
    The link below has data from 2020 but I wonder how much it would alter over approx 3 years.
    The companies are listed in order of spend.
    Pharmaceutical companies are nowhere near 70%.
    https://www.adbrands.net/us/top-us-advertisers.htm
    
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    January 7, 2023 12:19pm
- Max Mansplain
  
  Do you have a link to this? I did a search and just came up with a bunch of scary climate change stories..
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:21am
- Albert_Ross
  
  $12 million is less than chump-change compared to the resources available to those who have a financial, if not existential, interest in persuading people that there’s no problem with continuing large scale fossil fuel combustion, ie the oil exporting economies and the oil and gas multinationals.
  
  How come they’ve been so ineffectual in bribing journalists to run stories playing down the risks of climate change?
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:32am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Because the overwhelming majority of journalists are Lefties and this has long since turned into a Leftie issue because it promises more government control as the solution. Plus the other Leftie aspect that corporations are the problem – although in the era of Google, Apple, Facebook and company, some corporations are more equal than others, meaning they’re “not evil”. Unfortunately the fossil fuel companies don’t fall into that category for “journalists”.
    
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    January 7, 2023 1:46pm
- tavita
  
  Tom if it is the spoilt brats spending their inheritance as you suggest, that’s one thing. If their ‘philanthropy’ extends to investing in alternate energy, it’s investment fraud.
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:55am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The climate narrative is even more moronic than the covid narrative.
  Climate change is causing a rise in domestic violence. 🤡
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/01/03/domestic-violence-climate-change-umoja/
  
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  January 7, 2023 11:12am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi has one final stab at the American people. She gave the House of Representatives a raise. Some will get more than the members of Congress.
Nasty piece of work.
Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out Nancy.
https://gopnewsfeed.com/pelosis-final-act-has-americans-outraged/
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January 7, 2023 8:19am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I don’t understand – the representatives in the house are members of congress.
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:25am
  - herb1
    
    If you’d bothered to read the story in the link, or indeed if you were even reasonably informed, you’d know what Steve meant. Easier to make a smart arsed comment than thinking, isn’t it Mike
    
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    January 7, 2023 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I re read the link. It is not very clear. Maybe the author is confused. I just copied and pasted it.
    
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    January 7, 2023 8:51am
    - MCōs
      
      I think it’s you that’s confused.
      The article clearly refers to staffers.
      
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      January 7, 2023 9:37am
- Its only I
  
  Are any representatives refusing the pay increase or donating anything to the needs of those they represent?
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:30am
  - SoloView
    
    @ Its only I
    The representatives have not had their wage ceiling lifted.
    The article refers to staff.
    
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    January 7, 2023 12:23pm
    - Its only I
      
      Thanks for clearing that up, I was about to consider going into single raised eyebrow mode.
      
      Mods forget the report…again.
      Is there a chance of a retraction button?
      
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      January 7, 2023 1:51pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You can delete (if it is working) within 4 minutes I think.
        I gather you can’t comment, have others comment and then retract it.
        Seems fair to me. Stops the trolls from messing around.
        
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        January 7, 2023 2:51pm
- Nickc2
  
  Another swamp creature drowns in her own bile.
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think most Americans will be happy she is gone. The things she got up to on the Taxpayer dollar are incredible. @016 when Trump came to power, Pelosi was off on a junket in Brussels I think. She had 93? people going with her, including friends and relatives. The accommodation was all booked, the restaurants booked, the plane was full of food and booze, and they were all ready.
    Then Trump came along and said they could all go to Europe but not on Air Force One.
    93 in buses driving around in circles because the Base was off limits. I still don’t know what happened. Maybe they went commercial?
    Anyway, Nancy was fuming! She is a big pig at the trough.
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:28am
- rockape
  
  House of representative staffers got the raise not the elected members.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, that makes sense. It is badly worded and does not flow.
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:29am
mikenmildagain

I see the beleaguered Kevin McCarthy up for 13th try to persuade his party to vote for him as speaker. I see he made some progress on the 12th vote, so i wonder what else he has that can be traded away for this vote.
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January 7, 2023 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Elon Musk has endorsed him. Don’t really know if the helps.
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Donald Trump begged the crazies to back McCarthy. Made no difference.
    
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    January 7, 2023 8:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      The crazies have backed McCarthy, it’s just getting the principled people on board he’s having a problem with. 😆
      
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      January 7, 2023 9:58am
      - Deane Jessep
        
        Exactly.
        
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        January 7, 2023 10:35am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Trump is friends with AOC and her buddies???
      
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      January 7, 2023 2:30pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  15th time lucky!
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stupid people still wearing masks? Just dumb.
https://gopnewsfeed.com/dangerous-secret-about-face-masks-revealed/
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January 7, 2023 8:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Steve – the actual evidence is beyond dispute. Masks not only don’t help prevent covid infection, they do physical and mental harm.
  
  https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/breathing-trouble
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:32am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Clan,
    Evidence does not matter to people that have drunk the Koolaid.
    
    If Cindy said the key to stopping getting infected with Covid was to wear Kelvin Klein undies (with a special anti-covid liner) on your head when in public, the Koolaid drinkers would do so.
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rebreathing CO2, not good. When this all started someone said it was like putting up a mesh fence to keep out mosquitos.
    I forget the numbers but they were ridiculous.
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:35am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Standard issue blue type masks 3% effective.
      
      N95 46% effective (When “fitted properly”, as in when glued to the face of a test dummy).
      
      As tested by PhD expert in industrial Personal Protection Equipment (including for protection against viruses).
      
      He concluded best strategy is engineering (as in providing adequate building ventilation) and social distancing.
      
      https://rumble.com/v21ii71-ep.-141-the-ultimate-ppe-expert-with-incredible-insights-into-mask-science.html
      
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      January 7, 2023 2:35pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Correction: not PhD (actually B.S.Ch.E. M.S.Ch.E. M.B.A)
        
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        January 7, 2023 2:41pm
Im Right

The kids are fighting….
Martyn Bradbury authors a piece at TDB regarding rather sorry state of affairs over what The Standard has become.
Worth a read, IMHO
I look forward to The Standards reply in due course (bought the popcorn, just a waiting game now…to declare my allegiance here, I enjoy TDB as it allows posts from the right and allows lefties to post dissenting posts about Labour/Greens/maori party and actually allows discussions…..The Standard, well never have and seemingly never will!)
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January 7, 2023 8:24am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Pfft. I pointed out to “Bomber” that despite his attacks on The Standard as censorious mouthpieces (and they are on Labour/Ardern) they actually have been posting my occasional comments – as opposed to him on TDB.
  
  I don’t think he liked me pointing out that although I enjoy his writing he does suffer from florid hysteria in his prose, which leads him to write some very stupid stuff even on issues where I agree with him, such as the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
  
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  January 7, 2023 1:52pm
CJames

See there is all this concern about prison numbers rising – it is put down to ram-raids, stabbings and shootings. The bleeding hearts are decrying it of course.
How many of those prisoners are just there on remand? Old data was about quarter of them. The problem is the glacialy slow justice system. It isn’t unusual for there to be two years between arrest and court case. Judges don’t give sentences at the end of trials, they reserve their decisions and take months to make a ruling. All the time, everyone clips the ticket and real victims get shafted.
How about the next Justice/ Courts Ministers address this issue as high priority. You read old crime stories. Court cases were often only weeks after arrest. How about we go back to the past?
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January 7, 2023 8:42am
- mikenmildagain
  
  There is a great need to recruit many more court and probation staff and pay them much better.
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:48am
  - pdm
    
    Mikey the last thing New Zealand needs is more Public Servants.
    
    Transfer two or three hundred from Government propaganda roles (eg NZ Transport Agency and PM’s Office) to corrections and probation and the pay cuts will save the country millions.
    
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    January 7, 2023 9:15am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I didn’t write anywhere that we needed more public servants in total.
      
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      January 7, 2023 9:24am
      - pdm
        
        Mikey – simple arithmetic.
        
        If one recruits MORE corrections and probation staff the number of public servants increases UNLESS some from somewhere else are given the DCM.
        
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        January 7, 2023 9:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe the Public Sector employees in court and probation could actually do some work? or is that too much to ask?
      And – not public servants, they only serve themselves.
      
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      January 7, 2023 10:43am
  - CJames
    
    I know a couple of current and ex-corrections officers. It is not the money. It is particularly low morale, from a management that is against them -the prisoner is always right until proven otherwise stuff. The courts treat assaults on them as wet bus ticket offences and the Minister doesn’t support them or their concerns.
    Fix those and a lot of the issues go away.
    
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    January 7, 2023 8:32pm
- Flossie
  
  Partner and I are waiting to give evidence about an event that occurred just over two years ago. We received a summons to attend at the end of last year, however the defence lawyer submitted yet another delaying tactic which means our new date is looking like late this year.
  It’s quite stressful on us (and the other witnesses too I’m sure) for one thing. Another thing annoying us is the cost to taxpayers. It’s all on us…the lawyer, several court dates for it to be deferred, and police time checking the accused is adhering to his bail conditions.
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:15am
  - Waipuk
    
    Don’t be to hash on the defence lawyer. They are doing their job for their client.
    
    Have you thought the defence lawyer has discovered the police are hiding information. Sorry misplaced information.
    
    I was a witness in a case which was delayed 3 times because the defence lawyer found information was begin withheld. Sorry, misplaced. Even at the trial the police accidentally referred to evidence which had not been disclosed.
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:25am
Southern Raider

If this was in America the 140 kg teen would have been legally shot. Good article that proves Labours approach to youth crime is not working after same offender was caught multiple times and never sentenced. Does mention what sentence he got for the last aggravated burglary either.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/i-would-have-been-killed-why-farmer-bill-burr-ordered-his-son-to-chop-off-the-tip-of-a-teens-finger/WYZYNJR64VHHPA6Q6BWIWADRCM/
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January 7, 2023 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jesus, what a hell of an experience to go through. I guess Burr is mentally strong and able to cope. However, that bastard kid should be in the hinaki for a long time.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:53am
  - Matt Long
    
    A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
    But a Regressive also came to the place and as they moved closer to the man they were moved to tears of compassion, ” the poor person who did this needs our help” they said, and as they trampled over the man they consoled themselves with how kind and caring they were.
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:31am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Good reverse parody on the “Good Samaritan” gospel story, Matt. 🙂
      
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      January 7, 2023 12:10pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The police should be ashamed for bringing the case – they have discretion to not prosecute. Disgusting – our legal system in some cases is wrong, and supports the criminals. The two perps should not have been in the house, and if Burr had shot them, well done I say – even though he stated that he did not want to shoot them – but they should not have been there threatening his life.
        The man is a hero.
        
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        January 7, 2023 12:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The thug admitted it was the 4th time he had broken into Burr’s house.
        
        He had been bailed to Auckland a week previously following his 3rd break-in at Burr’s house.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/home-invasion-father-and-son-found-not-guilty-on-all-charges-in-bungled-burglary/SZAYXHEXW4MVZKWD43MNG6OR2Y/
        
        The Wrap-around support/family group conferences hadn’t been very effective.
        
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        January 7, 2023 12:47pm
      - Colville
        
        Don.
        With respect but total bullshit.
        They cut part of the guys finger off.
        The police dont have discretion to say “oh well you only wounded him, thats ok” and nor do we want police to have that power because down that road lies a police force that considers itself to be above the law.
        
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        January 7, 2023 1:31pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        I suspect that cutting the tip of one finger was better than shooting him – it was done because he was refusing to give up the knife that he was threatening Burr with – he was lucky they didn’t take his hand off – he should not have been there, and he had invaded the house 3 or 4 time previously.
        I ouble down on my comment.
        
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        January 7, 2023 2:27pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Fourth time he’d broken in? Perhaps Bill should have just given him a front door key.
        
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        January 7, 2023 5:53pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        An animal would have been put down. This moron is an animal.
        
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        January 8, 2023 6:43am
- Joely Doe
  
  Notice the Red cap and the blurred-out patch on the back of the scum lying on the ground?
  Any guesses?
  
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  January 7, 2023 11:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Burr was pretty convinced that the thug was ringing his Mongrel Mob prospect mates
    
    “Where do you go, where’re his friends?
    
    “There’s a young group of Mongrel Mob wannabes, thugs, and in my mind, he was ringing them and they could have been down in two minutes.”
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/piopio-home-invasion-it-wasnt-a-situation-to-run-accused-tells-jury/CI5UGJUX3XXBVQ2355KHNNUEN4/
    
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    January 7, 2023 12:23pm
MCōs

The Blackcaps almost pulled off a surprising win last night.
Unfortunately we don’t have a demon spinner with Sodhi, Patel and Bracewell all bit players who may never play for NZ again in tests.
However they plugged away and blokes got out, but not quite enough of them.
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January 7, 2023 9:08am
- Southern Raider
  
  Those wickets have been terrible all season. Pakistan was warned by IOC after England series about the wickets being so flat and dead.
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:12am
- pdm
  
  Patel went into the series well underdone and it showed with his bowling in the first test.
  
  Only 7 overs in this final innings by the bowler who took 10 wickets in an innings not long ago seems ridiculous to me and is an indictment of New Zealand crickets use of him over the last few years.
  
  Maybe his face does not fit.
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:21am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Agreed. NZ needs to play its top spinner in every test. Patel is our best spinner, even if he wasn’t our best in this series.
    
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    January 7, 2023 9:26am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Mikenmildagain; you write so much crap on this site BUT your occasional comments on cricket and rugby union show a huge knowledge of those sports.
      
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      January 7, 2023 9:54am
      - MCōs
        
        Cricket is the great reconciler.
        
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        January 7, 2023 10:10am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Indeed. Stick to Cricket Milky. Anything else from you is just not cricket.
        
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        January 7, 2023 11:54am
Jack5

Who’s behind the mumblings that would lift Judith Collins in the National line-up?

It’s going to be a challenging year as National and ACT position themselves while Labour disintegrates.

Suddenly, it seems to me, either the same mob of agitators who promoted the MP mutinies that nearly finished National, or last-ditch Labour saboteurs, are stimulating dissension within the party.

Collins had a brief spell at the top, but unlike Bridges, whom she must have opposed, has stayed in the House. Now stirrers are creating a debate about whether she would be better than Brownlee as a National-appointed Speaker.

As the Luxon regime settles in, National looks its strongest for years. Who would want to disrupt it if not saboteurs within the Labour-controlled media? Are the stirrers behind the National mutinies active again?
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January 7, 2023 9:09am
- pdm
  
  I said somewhere the other day that while Collins would make a good speaker she would be better value as Justice Minister or Attorney General.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:13am
  - Jack5
    
    There you go …
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:43am
- Flossie
  
  Why would you think Collins must have opposed Bridges? There was Muller between her and Bridges.
  
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  January 7, 2023 12:02pm
  - Jack5
    
    Flossie, have a look at this from the Otago Daily Times 30 June 2020:
    
    Before the National caucus meeting this morning, Collins said she’d backed Muller in the spill that ousted Simon Bridges and Bennett, his then-deputy.
    
    And she said she wasn’t sorry to see Bennett quit.
    
    And, this, from an article in the Guardian, 6 December, 2021:
    
    “Collins self-destructed after a sudden decision to strip one of her political rivals, Simon Bridges, of his portfolios over a historic complaint. Collins’s unilateral move blindsided many of the party’s MPs, and she was ousted the following day in a no-confidence motion.”
    
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    January 7, 2023 1:28pm
    - Flossie
      
      Right. I only wondered, I didn’t say she didn’t go against Bridges.
      Thanks for clarifying.
      
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      January 7, 2023 2:07pm
peterwn

From the Herald:
‘The [501] tribunal also rejected Selwyn’s arguments that he should be allowed to stay in Australia because deportation would cause emotional and financial hardship, or because he might be at risk of joining a gang in New Zealand’.

That is a new one!

“It is not clear to the Tribunal why the Applicant considers that joining a gang is the only option for him in New Zealand. There must be a considerable proportion of the society who are able to maintain normal lives in New Zealand without being members of any gangs.”

Precisely.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/501-appeal-rugby-league-player-told-to-return-to-new-zealand-after-repeated-attacks-on-partner/VPZN2OTN3JDVTE5HYNKHBWWYHI/
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January 7, 2023 9:17am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  A rather nice effort at ironic humour by the Tribunal.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I wonder how many deportations have been avoided as a result of Jacinda chatting to the nice Mr Albanese. My guess is none.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:25am
  - peterwn
    
    Many people from around the world would give their eye teeth to be able to work in “The Lucky Country”. Why people flush the opportunity down the dunny, goodness knows. No sympathy if they are 501’d out for being crims.
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:50am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The lefty posers in Aus labor (sic) will have been incensed at Dutton’s decisive “taking out the trash”, so expect less deportations.
    
    As with the current NZ regime, wreaking havoc on the masses with “idiot compassion” is now the name of the game.
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:59am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I am not sure about that. There will only be fewer deportations if the Government issues new guidelines to the tribunal that makes the decisions.
      
      The deportation policy is very popular in Australia with voters on the left and right. I don’t see any material changes happening.
      
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      January 7, 2023 1:20pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I’m thinking the left would love to deport anyone for that wonderful elastic term “hate speech”( as defined by the lunar left). Probably also for horrific violence, but with their feelz driven thinking, I’m not completely convinced.
        
        From my perspective here I’d say the average battler and the self described right most definitely want serious criminals booted where ever humanly possible.
        
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        January 7, 2023 2:09pm
      - peterwn
        
        And popular for Kiwis who aspire to be successful in The Lucky Country and fear Australia may slam the door for preferential access to Kiwis.
        
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        January 7, 2023 2:35pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        peterwn you can live and work in Aus as a Kiwi (as long as you don’t have a serious crim history I believe), but these days in terms of PR/Citizenship I’m pretty sure it’s go through the same hoops as any other western nationality.
        
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        January 7, 2023 3:25pm
      - peterwn
        
        Answering ‘NZer in Exile’ – Yes Kiwis generally have unrestricted access to live and work in Australia (even though there is no chance of Australian residency or citizenship). The exception is Kiwis who do not meet 501 requirements ie have been sentenced to more than a year in prison. There is always the potential that Australia could cancel privileged access for Kiwis such that they would need to get an appropriate entry visa like those from any other country in the world. I think people would be pretty hopping mad if that was the unintended outcome of Jacinda’s lobbying.
        A young Kiwi couple can earn big money to set themselves by working for an Australian mining company – the husband as a tradesman and the wife driving large mining dump trucks. Australia is not called ‘The Lucky Country’ for nothing although the author who named his book as such was being sarcastic.
        
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        January 7, 2023 8:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yes Peterwn, Australia’s incredible mineral/fuel wealth has cushioned it from it’s mostly lackluster leaders, for decades. Now we have leaders state and federal so stupid and so brainwashed that they want to hinder the extraction of that wealth.
        
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        January 8, 2023 11:52am
The Redbaiter

A major problem during NZ elections is the lack of an objective media. A collection of left wing group think goons run the most influential news outlets in the country, and a major consequence of this is that National party MPs never suffer any enquiry or criticism from a right wing perspective. Voters are thereby denied the opportunity to obtain an all round understanding of their political views.

Mr Luxon is standing as a potential PM. We should know as much as possible about him. Here are ten questions from a right wing perspective I would like media to ask.

1. Given your management of Air NZ displayed a penchant for progressive politics, why did you join National and not Labour?

2. Is it true (as senior Labour officials claim) that you once applied to join the Labour party?

3. You say your favourite politician is Barack Obama. That you disliked some of his political ideas but admired his communication skills. What Obama policies did you disagree with?

4. What Obama policies did you approve of?

5. You sent Air NZ executives to a few of Bill Gate’s global economic and technical conferences. Did you attend any yourself, and do you have any regard for similar global political organisations such as the World Economic Forum?

6. Business sources have said the CEO of Virgin Australia was very critical of your management during the troubled Air NZ merger phase. Is this true and if so, what was his main criticism?

7. You have said you have “little time” for Donald Trump, so who is your favourite global politician right now?

8. Do you understand the meaning of the term “elite capture”?

9. Do you have any concerns about Chinese Communist Party influence in NZ politics?

10. National voted for Labour’s intensified housing bill, which will have significant long term impact on voter demographics to the disadvantage of the National party. Why were you and your Deputy Nicola Willis so enthusiastic about this bill?

If media asked these questions, it would help clear up a few uncertainties around Mr Luxon and also prevent them from portraying him as a totally different person to what he really is. As seems to be their current intention.
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- mawm
  
  Red – those are all important questions. Maybe someone on this blog who has contact with him could pass the questions on to him for some answers. In particular I want to know about what, if any, are his connections with the WEF or their main players. I suspect that he is very much involved.
  
  Despite his lack of opportunity to get honest/objective press coverage, I doubt that he would like to answer some of those questions.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:34am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Hi Mawm.. as important as they are, don’t think there’s much chance of getting those questions answered and the doubts dispelled. Which is a kind of answer in itself I suppose.
    
    NZ media’s questions always come from the same pro-socialist direction, and can be paraphased as- (1) “why don’t you want to raise taxes” and (2) “why don’t you want to make govt larger and more powerful”.
    
    Mr Luxon usually apologises for giving the wrong impression and hastily assures them that he is indeed a fan of socialism. Says he is going to do it just like Jacinda but a bit more efficiently.
    
    He and most other Nats have not woken up to the fact that the questions the corrupt left wing media ask are not reflective of public interest. DeSantis knows this, and its why he won with a 20% margin.
    
    BTW, he was asked about the WEF by a listener on NewstalkZB a few weeks ago. At first denied knowledge of it, but then instantly realised that wasn’t going to fly so modified it to not knowing much about it. Think I’ve got the audio somewhere. I’ll look it up.
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:47am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Mawm- I found the audio. Here is the transcript.
    
    Caller Kate: I’m just wondering if you’re going to be following the World Economic Forum in the Great Reset.
    
    Mr Luxon: I don’t actually know what you’re talking about. I’ve never been to the World Economic Forum. I know. I know what it is. Sort of. I know there’s a convention in some Swiss Alps or something, but no, I’ve never been part of that or know much about it.
    
    Kate: Jacinda has got those policies on steroids.
    
    Mr Luxon: Yeah. As I said, all I’m worried about is New Zealand’s national interest. And so my job will be to make sure we do the right thing by New Zealand
    
    End of conversation.
    
    I also have Mr Luxon on video enthusing over the great reset, so it would be good to have this apparent conflict cleared up.
    
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    January 7, 2023 12:57pm
- Colville
  
  Red.
  You think if Luxon had filled out the form and paid the $20 or whatever it is that Labour would have refused him?
  It’s just a nonsense idea.
  
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  January 7, 2023 11:21am
  - Matt Long
    
    Agreed, is the rumour that he was vying to be a Labour candidate for parliament?
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:33am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Colville.. a nonsense idea?
    
    Luxon was the hand picked leader of Jacinda Ardern’s Business Advisory Council before joining National. Its not hard to believe he engaged with her or other Labour figures on the issue of joining the party at that time.
    
    All he has to do is say it didn’t happen.
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:51am
    - Matt Long
      
      The idea that Labour would not have trousered his money and held him up as a trophy is what stretches credulity Red.
      
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      January 7, 2023 12:26pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        Matt- Mr Luxon was not popular with the Air NZ unions. Some others in the party may have viewed him as a useful member but the Unions are the most powerful force there.
        
        The real issue is whether National was Luxon’s second choice, and if so, what that says about him as a politician.
        
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        January 7, 2023 12:53pm
- peterwn
  
  Q2 He could well have applied to join the Labour Party in his youth. However what has that to do with the price of fish in a the contemporary political scene. Anyway why should such a youthful indiscretion from many years ago be held against him now. To err is human, to forgive is divine.
  
  Anyway I have a confession to make – I voted Labour in 1987 because I regarded Fran Wilde as a good and effective local MP and because I believed things were well on track with Rogernomics. However I would never vote for that bunch of Muppets that call themselves the Labour Party nowadays.
  
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  January 7, 2023 11:42am
  - Swifty
    
    I voted Labour 84 and 87 and will happily defend my reasoning for doing so.
    
    Only Nat and Act since then though.
    
    Oh, and ACT again this year. National have lost their way in my view and do not have the courage of their convictions.
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:59am
    - peterwn
      
      It is quite OK for people to vote ACT if they think National is too ‘Labor Lite’. This is as long as ACT remains realistic and do not scare too many centrists away.
      
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      January 7, 2023 2:43pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    peterwyn,
    I also voted Labour in 1987 for the one and only time in my life because I thought Rogernomics was the right thing at the time.
    Also, at the previous election I voted for Bob Jones’ party in order to get rid of Muldoon.
    
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    January 7, 2023 12:09pm
  - Colville
    
    I am pretty sure I voted Green my first couple of times… back in the day….
    
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    January 7, 2023 1:37pm
    - Swifty
      
      This is why I oppose lowering the voting age.
      
      So that we prevent 16 and 17 year olds making youthful mistakes the vast majority of them will regret later in life!
      
      🤣
      
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      January 7, 2023 2:26pm
      - peterwn
        
        If they badly want the vote (and I wonder if many of them are that interested anyway), the maximum age where young people are treated as youth offenders should be decreased to 16.
        
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        January 7, 2023 2:47pm
      - Colville
        
        Swifty. I would have been early 20,s.
        I would vote Green EVERY election if New Zealand had a Green party to vote for rather than the commie bunch of $&#@s who use that name.
        
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        January 7, 2023 4:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  A very good list of questions Redbaiter. Would really show all just what makes Luxon tick.
  
  Perhaps The Platform and/or HDPA (you got your ears on Heather?) could put them to Luxon.
  
  Could just be worth emailing Luxon with the questions (wouldn’t hold my breath for straight answers though).
  
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  January 7, 2023 12:05pm
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Well, its a bit hard to accept Mr Luxon’s claim that he doesn’t really know what the WEF is when Unilever is a deeply embedded global partner in the organisation.
    
    During the time Mr Luxon headed up Unilever’s Canada division, the WEF is even listed as a partner/ advisor in its annual reports.
    
    Luxon as a corporate manager was right into that kind of thing, (sustainable business) not only with Unilever but with Air NZ too, and its inconceivable to me that he can be sincere in the denial he expressed during the NewstalkZB call transcribed above.
    
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    January 7, 2023 8:56pm
Albert_Ross

So I’ve been trying to watch “A Spy among Friends” on TVNZ on-demand, and I’m experiencing the same problems as when I tried to watch “SAS Rogue Heroes” – it keeps stopping, sometimes starting again by itself (having gone back a minute or so) and sometimes having to be re-started manually. Sometimes there’s a blue worm and sometimes it says something about functions not supported by my browser. No such issue on YouTube or Netflix on the same set.

Has anybody else experienced this and more to the point, been able to cure it?

(Since you ask: it would be excellent, with top-notch performances from the three main characters in particular, if it weren’t for the fact that it’s all so dark and shadowy. Entirely suitable for the time and the nature of the drama of course, but you do still need to be able to actually see what’s going on. I’ve now discovered that the book’s better, so if you’re keen on Cold War spy shenanigans, maybe get that instead)
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January 7, 2023 9:26am
- Nickc2
  
  I don’t know what browser you are using, but try:
  1. Go into Taskmanager and End Task for all duplicated Apps, or
  2. Download Brave Browser and use that for your videos.
  https://brave.com/download/
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:02am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Thank you for your trouble 😊
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:11am
    - Colville
      
      Just torrent it and watch it offline.
      
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      January 7, 2023 11:23am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        You mean download alleged copies of the video from randoms on the internet? High risk of getting completely shafted by ransomware or identity theft IMHO.
        
        Better to use a video downloader and download from the original source if possible (this sometimes doesn’t work).
        
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        January 7, 2023 12:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Futility

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300759169/they-asked-me-to-write-one-of-those-gang-stories-again
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January 7, 2023 9:26am
- Colville
  
  Marty Sharpe, gang apologist since forever.
  
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  January 7, 2023 11:23am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, the old everyone-else is to blame.
    
    What about the kids from poor, tough, sometimes brutal backgrounds, who don’t become criminals?
    
    Dostoevsky should be required reading for gang apologists.
    
    Choice of action is a part in crime.
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Prime Minister Ardern exploiting the children of those on State benefits?

So, the income support/benefit system is contributing negatively to the economy in that regard.

But worse, it is being used by the Prime Minister to achieve her primary goal of reducing child poverty.

and
The increase may even be described as the exploitation of children to make the Prime Minister look good.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-the-price-of-reducing-poverty
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January 7, 2023 9:42am
- Swifty
  
  I had wondered where KevOB has been – good to see him on BBH and still flogging his book.
  
  😀
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:17am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Yes, he stopped commenting here about 26 Jan 22, and started commenting as kob (more recently as kob Kevin O’Brien) at BBH sometime soon after.
    
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    January 7, 2023 12:32pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Same as Robertson tax payer self funding of the unemployment policy, when you get the unemployment payout for 6 months, you will not be seen as unemployed
  
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  January 7, 2023 12:21pm
Rusty

Got to mention extracts from Harry’s new book even though I probably shouldn’t be giving him more air time than he deserves.

So he killed 25 Tailban fighters and I hear the Taliban aren’t happy about it.

What is this fast becoming dim wit all about mentioning sensitive military information to the public like that?

– Harry’s dad King Charles said he wasn’t his son – what context was that said in?

– William got a bigger bedroom than him when he was a kid — wasn’t a smaller mansion bedroom comfortable enough for him?

– His step mum gossiped about him — about what?

King Charles surely cannot invite a royal traitor like Harry to his coronation even if he is his son.
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January 7, 2023 9:48am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Sensitive military information in that it is not something that soldiers typically talk about. Not sensitive as in protecting military secrets as such.
  
  Foolish in that it will focus the efforts of terror groups against him. The Taliban know full well that any pilot/WSO in an Apache helicopter will have killed Taliban. But they now get to talk about it in relation to Harry and that will encourage terror groups.
  
  Surely this must have been thought through, the potential reaction? Why did he want to say it?
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:28am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @W. Mapp-
    “Thought through”? Ask the Duchess if she considered the potential risks of including those details in her/his book.
    She probably authorised their inclusion to provide some balance to all the whinging, Mummy’s boy stuff and to sell the books to the military market.
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:48am
    - Jim
      
      I believe he’s been duped into admitting many emotional issues for financial gain, but these confessions will be used against him when the divorce begins.
      
      Poor victim MM living with an emotionally unbalanced and cold hearted ex killer etc
      
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      January 8, 2023 5:55am
  - Jack5
    
    Wayne Mapp’s … Foolish in that it will focus the efforts of terror groups against him….
    
    What if Harry’s raving provokes an Islamic extremist attack on King Charles, or on William and his family?
    
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    January 7, 2023 11:50am
- NZer In Exile
  
  I think H&M are just generating publicity for revenue. The royal family are just useful fodder in this caper it would appear.
  
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  January 7, 2023 12:14pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Prince Harry has grievances – long held grievances.
    These havn’t been properly acknowledged or taken seriously by those in authority.
    He wants apologies, money, reparations and due respect (not necessarily in that order) to make the hurt go away.
    Mmmm- maybe he should settle here……..
    
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    January 7, 2023 12:53pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “He wants apologies, money, reparations and due respect (not necessarily in that order) to make the hurt go away.”
      
      You’d think the military would have slapped that kind of self pity right out of him!! It appears he may have been treated with kid gloves.
      
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      January 7, 2023 2:17pm
      - peterwn
        
        Yes, just a few mild interviews without coffee.
        
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        January 7, 2023 8:11pm
Gravelroad

Brothers:
My older big brother used to tease me lots when I was a kid.
One of his party pieces was to get up at family gatherings and announce “Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, dog and cat and E……” my name.
Everyone, including me, thought this was extremely funny.
However, I have now come to realise that this was actually very demeaning and probably psychologically damaging as it implied I was “different” from the family somehow and not worthy of general inclusion.
Think I will write a book about it.
PS – I didn’t fall into the dog’s bowl but was pushed over at the beach a few times and ducked in the river by my much bigger brother.
Lost my necklace that time.
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January 7, 2023 9:56am
- Biscuit
  
  Gravelroad, I see even Nostradamus predicted Ginger Whinger’s antics:
  
  When the eclipse of the Sun will then be
  The East also the West will weaken
  Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
  Bald future King lamps ginger tw@t.
  
  Lie?
  
  Moi?
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I had 3 older brothers… I was the youngest.
  
  It was always going to be a life of tactics and strategy for survival.
  
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  January 7, 2023 10:20am
  - Don Beckett
    
    My older brother used to bully me quite a bit – he was quite a bit bigger than me – until I got to about 12 years old – then I could beat him in a fight even though I was still smaller, but being more atheletic & therefore stronger & fitter than him.
    We became the best of mates when we left school, so all’s well that ends well. 🙂
    
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    January 7, 2023 10:55am
Hugh Jarse

Apart from the sad spectacle of Harry self destructing publicly, it’s ironic that he is enabling the media to destroy him as he accuses them of doing to his Mother. His comments about killing 25 Taliban seems particularly unwise on a number of levels as well. SWMBO just described him as a first class dipshit. Hard to disagree with that assessment.
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January 7, 2023 10:44am
- nathie
  
  It seems like in Harry’s ideal self-centred world he could “escape” to the USA and live his independent life with the Missus and as a result he has lost access to those (in the UK) that could “console” him (offer advice) ……. and now he relies on his wife for that advice.
  
  Wonder if Harry will realise his wife’s advice has been wrong all along (eg the implication that MM’s “popularity” has caused the RF to be upset with her, which seems to be one of the root issues)?
  
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  January 7, 2023 11:08am
NZer In Exile

I’m smelling another lockdown in the wind in Victoria AU.
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January 7, 2023 11:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now that Victorian Labor Party members can finally vote again for their candidates, anything could be on the cards.
  
  https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/victorian-labor-members-get-a-vote-again-as-party-emerges-from-administration-20230105-p5caha.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true
  
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  January 7, 2023 12:50pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I’m thinking everyone who isn’t a grifter or trougher there will eventually flee the state.
    
    Not sure how things will work with only the rorters and public servants left.
    
    The place is screwed.
    
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    January 7, 2023 1:00pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Meh. As losing NYC Mayor Ed Koch said memorably decades ago (with a grin):
  Yes, the people have spoken. And now they must be punished
  
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  January 7, 2023 2:07pm
oldfella

This gem from the Daily Mail gets my vote for best tabloid-y headline of the year. So far.//
Horse-loving ex-model six years older than Harry, who once breathlessly revealed the Prince left her mouth numb with passionate kissing in a muddy field, refuses to discuss whether she is the keen horsewoman who took his virginity in a field
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11607809/Horse-loving-ex-model-six-years-older-Harry-refuses-discuss-took-virginity.html
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January 7, 2023 12:04pm
ClanMcleod

Evidence indicating the dangers of the “vaccine”, particularly to young men, is being suppressed.

The usual excellent analysis from Eugyppius.

Worth reading the full article which explains clearly how inconvenient data is deliberately kept out of the public domain.

Review of studies on vaccine-induced myocarditis finds that the Science we’re meant to be Following pervasively obfuscates the risk of the mRNA jabs for young men
Of the few studies that even attempt to assess the population-wide risk of myocarditis following vaccination, nearly three-fourths neglect to include the proper stratifiers

It isn’t a conspiracy, it’s an insidious consequence of disastrous politicisation of a relatively minor public health event.
Whether it is part of a bigger actual conspiracy is a matter of conjecture, but the fact remains, this is a dangerous, experimental product. It was never “tested and approved” in the real meaning of those words.

The problem isn’t that a memo went out from Science Headquarters instructing researchers to cover up the obvious fact that the vaccines are clearly and beyond all cavil a bad deal for males under 40. It’s rather that science is subordinate to broader political, social and cultural forces, all of which incentivise research showing that the vaccines are safe and effective, and disincentivise research showing anything else. One kind of finding will get you promotion and grant funding, the other will – in the best case – simply be ignored. Cast in this light, the sheer paucity of studies looking at population-wide risks from vaccination in the first place begins to look deeply ominous. This is an entire area nobody wants to look into, for fear of what they might find.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/review-of-studies-on-vaccine-induced

The first comment in response to the post is spot on, as is the author’s response.

Don’t like the aggregated results? Stratify!

Don’t like the stratified results? Aggregate!

Classic data masseuse techniques. Why anyone trusts any of this garbage at all at this point is beyond me.

The response:

mainly, it seems that there’s a vast population of heavily vaccinated people out there who really, really want to believe, and will do so on any pretence.

There are so many people in denial, some out of self interest due to the consequences coming to them when the truth is finally out. Politicians, health officials, “experts”, “journalists.”

Some out of embarrassment at believing the lies.

Some out of concern because they’ve taken all the shots and are now realising it may not have been the best health decision they ever made.

Ramesh Thakur sums it up well. He is a former United Nations Assistant Secretary-General, and emeritus professor in the Crawford School of Public Policy, The Australian National University.

With help from the media, social media and police, people were frightened, shamed and coerced into submission and compliance with arbitrary and increasingly authoritarian government edicts. The intense and unrelenting propaganda unleashed on the people by governments using sophisticated tactics of psychological manipulation and enthusiastically amplified by the media was astonishingly successful in a remarkably short time.

This has to stop.
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January 7, 2023 12:21pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ramesh Thakur (who I quoted above) has produced a superb series of articles re covid at The Brownstone Institute titled:
  
  There are 5 parts. All worth reading in full.
  
  https://brownstone.org/author/ramesh-thakur/
  
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  January 7, 2023 12:30pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The title is:
    
    State Power and Covid Crimes
    
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    January 7, 2023 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bob Hope. I won’t say more coz that will spoil it.
https://rumble.com/v240hpw-flashback-bob-hope-joke-about-democrats-truer-than-ever-today.html
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January 7, 2023 12:39pm
ClanMcleod

Excess all cause mortality in the UK is going through the roof.

Deaths registered in England and Wales were a massive 20.7% above the five-year average in the week ending December 23rd, according to the latest data from the ONS.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/05/excess-non-covid-deaths-surge-to-30000-since-april-as-deaths-in-week-before-christmas-hit-20-above-average/

At least the UK (unlike NZ) is acknowledging this disturbing data, though they are blaming it on everything but the mammoth in the room.

Carl Heneghan – Professor of Evidence-based Medicine, the University of Oxford, Director of CEBM and NHS Urgent Care GP investigates the latest nonsensical claims.

While the data from the Office for Health Improvement and Disparities report an excess of cardiovascular disease mortality, the “independent” report produced by the UK Government does not attempt to understand what is causing the excess mortality from CVD.

In the last year, there has been an excess of 21,841 deaths with CVD mentioned on the death certificate. Our analysis suggests it isn’t a fall in drug treatment, and the drop in CVD risk monitoring can’t account for it, given the lack of evidence of an effect.

Given all its resources, the government could and should do better to get to the bottom of what is driving the excess in cardiovascular deaths. We’ll keep digging.

https://trusttheevidence.substack.com/p/is-everyone-dying-of-statin-starvation

NZ’s response to excess mortality here? Change the law so that “sudden deaths” can be swept under the carpet.

The Coroners Amendment Bill has passed its first reading and will now be considered by Parliament’s Justice Committee.

Changes proposed include:

Allow the cause of death to be recorded as ‘unascertained natural causes’ when the Coroner has concluded that the death is from a natural cause and no further investigation is necessary;

Provide Coroners with the sole discretion to decide whether a coronial inquiry should also include an inquest, while maintaining a requirement to consult interested parties and consider their views; and

Allow written findings to be issued with the cause of death only, and not the broader circumstances in which the death occurred, if the broader circumstances are not considered by the Coroner to be of public interest.

Nothing to see here of course, it’s all about making things more “efficient.”//

“These amendments will help to ensure certain cases in the system can, where appropriate, be progressed more efficiently.”

https://sunlive.co.nz/news/301719-coroners-amendment-bill-passes-first-reading.html
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January 7, 2023 12:49pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  … and the country with the lowest excess deaths… Sweden. And by a long way. last time I looked it was about 2 percent.
  
  However, Sweden did achieve a vaccination rate of 73 percent. Sure not the 95 percent we got in New Zealand, but still high. Of course what was different about Sweden is that there were no lockdowns.
  
  My starting hypothesis would therefore be that the major cause of the high excess deaths in the UK – and even more so in Germany and Spain – are the result of lockdowns, not the COVID vaccine.
  
  Of course we will never know unless Governments admit there is something serious going on and investigate. I bet if you even asked Jacinda about high excess deaths in New Zealand she would get frowny and call it “disinformation”. It is shockingly disturbing that this gets no coverage in the New Zealand media.
  
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  January 7, 2023 3:14pm
  - kevn
    
    @BY… All it does is attract downtickers, they only get one go per post though. Must be on a paytroll.
    
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    January 7, 2023 4:48pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    @BY – I agree with most of what you say. There is no doubt whatsoever that lockdowns have added to the increase in all cause mortality. But it is becoming impossible to ignore, the vaccines are causing serious problems. Particularly in younger males. Denmark have stopped vaccination in under 50s for a good reason.
    
    Your hypotheses should surely be enough to bring about a pause in the vaccination programme in everyone (except possibly the most vulnerable) while a proper investigation is carried out?
    The virus is not very deadly. Pausing the jabbing among the under 50s and relatively healthy would have no impact whatsoever?
    You know this. I know you do.
    
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    January 7, 2023 7:06pm
Jack5

A Stuff headline:

Could a drug cartel form in NZ? There’s already been one attempt.

And the attempt the Stuff headlilne is talking about a “failed attempt” to set up a “domestic cartel” in New Zealand.

Hasn’t Stuff ever hear of the Mr Asia heroin syndicate, with its murders and international trafficking?
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January 7, 2023 1:08pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I thought they were called Medsafe…..
  
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  January 7, 2023 1:28pm
- Colville
  
  The idea that New Zealand is free from effective drug importation and distribution is laughable.
  But given the fact that Labour has a hands off /state funding policy with Mongrel Mob its no wonder the paid up media won’t talk about it.
  
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  January 7, 2023 5:05pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Stuff is stuffed full of kids for whom the pre-smartphone era is ‘the olden days’ where nothing of note happened.
  
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  January 7, 2023 9:26pm
Ghost

Strange, I personally watch my bank accounts and know if money hasn’t come out that should have and leave it alone. Back in the cheque days my doctor used to take a month to bank them. Sorry folks the bank hasn’t stolen your money. You just hoped they forgot to take what you spent.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2023/01/westpac-customers-outraged-after-glitch-over-christmas-leaves-them-overdrawn.html

Westpac customers outraged after glitch over Christmas leaves them overdrawn
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January 7, 2023 1:11pm
- Rex
  
  True. Personal responsibility seems to have disappeared from most of the population, and in every area of life. Along with common sense.
  
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  January 7, 2023 2:11pm
- Hollyfield
  
  Ghost and Rex you’re right, but Westpac haven’t handled this well. I monitor my accounts daily so I was aware that some payments were no longer showing and would (presumably) come out some time after the stat days. The article says Westpac have apologised, but actually all they’ve done is post something on Facebook. As many people have complained on that post, Westpac will send text messages and emails to customers about scams but have not done anything to actually contact customers about this “technical issue”. People are also saying some payments have come out twice, and others that payments have gone to businesses they haven’t purchased from. I don’t know whether that is people’s poor accounting or faulty memory, or whether they are right, but whatever the situation Westpac have not done a good job with the PR.
  
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  January 7, 2023 4:07pm
  - Rex
    
    True. As a former Westpac employee I know they have never been good at PR. But as well as this issue they seem to be caving to the random (mainly elderly folk )who say they have been defrauded by “hacking” when such a thing is a one off amongst their thousands of customers and not proven. This sets a precedent and they have to be very careful.
    
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    January 7, 2023 5:40pm
  - greybeard
    
    I have been a Westpac customer for decades.
    I have always found them to be accurate, and to show clearly-marked pending deductions/deposits on accounts before they actually apply them.
    Let’s face it: some people are bloody thick, can’t count for themselves and are the first to run to the press when they stuff-up.
    
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    January 7, 2023 7:18pm
- Jim
  
  Same, I thought this is a non story of fake sympathy for financially inept people.
  
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  January 7, 2023 5:16pm
- MCōs
  
  I bank with ANZ
  Ten years ago I figured out they they’d made a mistake with their fees to my disadvantage in the hundreds of dollars.
  I went down and explained the error of their ways, but the guy initially didn’t understand & he wasn’t just a flunkey.
  Eventually it dawned on him and I received a refund.
  I was right pissed off so went home and prepared an invoice for my time.
  I didn’t send it.
  
  Years later several hundred more dollars was refunded out of the blue!
  
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  January 7, 2023 7:47pm
kevn

@Clan… Drop over to Breaking Views and read Guy Hatchards latest offering. Enlightening to say the least.
arden happy to die in a ditch with this issue as well.
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January 7, 2023 1:13pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  kevn – Is it the article re the historian Kate Hannah and The Disinformation Project?
  
  That organisation is aptly named!!
  
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  January 7, 2023 1:34pm
  - kevn
    
    @Clan… Yip yip, that’s the one.
    Funny the downtick crew are at it.
    All Hatchard is doing is presenting actual data.
    
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    January 7, 2023 4:45pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The downtickers are pissed off because the truth doesn’t align with the narrative they supported and encouraged for 3 years.
      
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      January 8, 2023 8:02am
Its only I

Well, end of the first week of the new year and Labour still prefer to suck.

Global though.
https://framemark.vam.ac.uk/collections/2019LX6066/full/735,/0/default.jpg
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January 7, 2023 2:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Arizona. While over 4000 discarded votes found, it will not give Kari Lake a win.
She now has Katie Hobbs in the crosshairs. Hobbs refused to recuse herself from running the Election process. She knew it was rigged. Kari Lake wants to expose the corruption of Hobbs – and the Democrats.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/legal-dogfight-begins-after-az-gop-found-4849-discarded-ballots/
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January 7, 2023 3:20pm
Swifty

Mickey Savage attempts to defend the indefensible and fails miserably, lays into Bryce Edwards, DPF and Liam Hehir for daring to voice their opinions, and various lefties signal which taxpayer-funded bribes Labour could employ this year to best effect in the election lead up:

https://thestandard.org.nz/new-zealand-is-in-a-terrible-state/

These people just haven’t a clue between them. Six years in and with their 2017 aspirations dashed, Labour’s ‘throw money at everything’ approach in ruins, Ardern telling her team to quickly close the policy kimono and keep it closed if they want to keep their jobs, now they are just clutching at straws desperately searching for something, anything, to fool New Zealanders one more time that they have any answers to New Zealand’s current problems.
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January 7, 2023 3:40pm
- Swifty
  
  I will add that the notion that ‘Labour/Jacinda has lifted (insert manufactured number) kids out of poverty’ is a contemptuous deceit and New Zealanders shouldn’t fall for it.
  
  The only measure that counts in my view is the number of benefit-dependent families, off state support and now supporting and sustaining themselves through their own endeavours.
  
  Those Labour people crowing about taxpayers paying more and more for the fuel to throw on the bonfire of state dependency of hundreds of thousands of New Zealand families should be ashamed of themselves.
  
  The massive explosion of state dependency over the last 40-50 years, rather than alleviating distress, I argue is a major cause of distress – and neither of our main parties appear to have any clue as to what to do about it.
  
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  January 7, 2023 3:55pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Swifty, the lefts hopes are always dashed. They come in with big ideas but no clue, pretty much always get voted out at the next election, leave the country in a worse state than they found it, leave the poor poorer than when they arrived and then blame the National Party for their ineptitude. The bunch of Ardern Labourites will be no different. As they head back into their low paid union jobs and the unemployment queue.
  
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  January 7, 2023 6:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    I completely agree.
    
    To say this Labour government has been a disappointment is a huge understatement.
    
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    January 7, 2023 6:46pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      You realise Swifty that using the word “disappointment” as an adjective to describe the current Labour Party is so far away from describing their abject hopelessness, that it could well be labeled disinformation in many countries around the world?
      
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      January 7, 2023 9:37pm
      - Swifty
        
        You’re right IVV.
        
        Forgive me, I’ll try to do better next time!
        
        😂
        
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        January 7, 2023 10:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The ‘woke’ are screwing America. Look at this shit:
https://redrightdaily.com/west-point-goes-even-more-woke/
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January 7, 2023 3:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is this the reason road names are being changed to Maori names – to get rid of all reference to Te Pakeha?
  Now my Grandfather came here before WW1. He won a ballot to be able to purchase a farm. He did dairy farming in Reporoa. Now in Reporoa there is an “Otto” Road. I have a photo. It is say 5km from the old family homestead.
  What is the Maori translation to rename this road? What will the ‘woke wankers’ do about this?
  
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  January 7, 2023 3:50pm
  - Swifty
    
    Steve, I wondered what was the reason you added ‘North Shore’ to your handle here – were there two Steve Ottos at one stage or was it just a reminder to yourself where you lived?
    
    😀
    
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    January 7, 2023 3:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Started with moderation. Always in moderation so I now post under my real name.
      There are many reasons for pseudomons, so I decided to post my name in full and approved buy KB.
      No doxing yet.
      
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      January 7, 2023 5:25pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There were a few steves, so I added north shore. Steve (North Shore) Some comment mixed up with other Steves so I just used my surname as well.
      
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      January 8, 2023 9:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is sweet, and gives a message. It is the Peoples’ House not the Pelosi House.
https://thepatriotjournal.com/moments-after-pelosi-loses-the-gavel/
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January 7, 2023 4:42pm
Swifty

I wonder if the current ‘great NZ egg crisis’ will cause a few people to stop and think a bit about ‘cause and effect’ in markets and the implications of increased regulatory intervention – and will those who called for change now put their hand up and accept responsibility for the shortages and price increases? Or will they deny any responsibility whatsoever, as is common for many New Zealanders these days?

It looks like eggs are in short supply and could remain so for quite some time. This has already and will continue to mean consumers have access to fewer eggs and may miss out altogether at times, and the eggs they do find will be more expensive.

Not to mention food processor and manufacturer access to eggs and egg products.

I’ve noticed some people laying (excuse me) into the egg producers – calling them lazy or slow or not playing the game – after the recent coming into effect of the changes to how layers must be homed and looked after in NZ. This displays to me a profound ignorance of commercial reality.

It appears from what I’ve seen that the new regs and their compliance burden has not only forced producers to outlay substantial capital to reorganise their operations to colony or free -range but has also forced otherwise willing producers out of the industry unable or unwilling to make the investments necessary. Producer numbers and egg production numbers have dropped markedly from just a few years ago – causing the shortages and price increases.

The point I now make is that the people who called for the banning of caged layers, and the politicians who subsequently piled in, must also now accept the consequences of their actions. To somehow blame the producers who are now furiously trying to protect their livelihoods from changes forced upon them by others is demented. Perverse.

I’m just waiting to hear a Labour or Green MP say the whole thing is a ‘failure of capitalism’ and call for a taxpayer-funded state-producer ‘KiwiEgg’ to be established and solve our egg supply and animal welfare issues.

That would certainly be par for the course from the NZ left these days.

(Please note (Mike especially) I am not at all saying the regulatory changes to egg production is wrong or unnecessary. I personally have been buying exclusively free-range for the past, I’m guessing, 15 years as I’m not happy with caging and happy to pay more to get my eggs from free range operations.)
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January 7, 2023 4:44pm
- Taieri
  
  I wonder if the current ‘great NZ egg crisis’ will cause a few people to stop and think a bit about ‘cause and effect’ in markets and the implications of increased regulatory intervention
  ————
  
  No. The Law of Unintended Consequences will always prevail.
  
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  January 7, 2023 6:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    I suspect you’re right Taieri.
    
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    January 7, 2023 6:52pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Bought a pack yesterday and thought the top looked loose so opened it before I scanned it and someone had nicked an egg out of it. They’ll be ramraiding supermarkets next.
  
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  January 7, 2023 8:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://thepatriotjournal.com/kevin-mccarthy-plays-the-ace-up-his-sleeve/
Um, Mike and others may like to unpack this, or is it just “fake news?”
Seriously I am interested in analysis.
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January 7, 2023 4:50pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Where the fuck is Nancy in this? Republicans could mess this up and still end up with a Democrat Speaker?
  Many are upset that, after everything that’s happened, these few congressmen are hurting the GOP. They clearly don’t have enough votes to elect someone else. And if they keep meddling, they might end up giving the Speakership to the Democrats.
  
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  January 7, 2023 4:55pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    That won’t happen, Steve. McCarthy will probably still be speaker, after the fringe of the fringe ‘freedom caucus’ have finished humiliating him.
    
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    January 7, 2023 5:05pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I agree Mike. The RINOS left are still pushing?
      
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      January 7, 2023 5:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The ‘RINOs’ are the overwhelming majority of elected republican representatives. They are just afraid of being called names by the MAGA group.
        
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        January 7, 2023 5:43pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    He’s now only one vote short after the 14th ballot.
    
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    January 7, 2023 5:10pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Two of the fringe are still voting for Jordan, who must be embarrassed (just kidding – the man has no shame) at the gymnastics going on.
      
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      January 7, 2023 5:13pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        No shame mike? Sort of like you then. But in Jordan’s case, he has nothing to be ashamed of. So I guess that’s the big difference between you and him.
        
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        January 7, 2023 6:22pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’d be ashamed if I were complicit in the sexual abuse of young men, but I recognize that belief in Gym Jordan’s side of the story is an article of faith for the MAGA movement.
        
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        January 8, 2023 6:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The house is now voting on whether to adjourn for the weekend or continue the circus.
      
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      January 7, 2023 5:35pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But woo-hoo! Trump has apparently personally phoned two holdouts and ordered them to vote for McCarthy. No word yet on what McCarthy had to say (or do) to get the boss to intervene.
        
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        January 7, 2023 6:06pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hi Steve. There is a specific thread on this topic. Tom Hunter has tried to explain it all from the perspective of the ‘never Kevin’ holdouts.
  
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  January 7, 2023 5:04pm
graham

Mmm … such a pleasure watching Daniel Faitaua presenting 1 News again tonight. It’s just so enjoyable seeing Mr Faitaua introduce the news and knowing that you won’t have to struggle to simply understand it.

Because Daniel Faitaua presents the news in English. Radical, I know, but it means I can settle back and simply enjoy listening to the news.

Long may it continue.
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