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■ No co-governance in RMA reforms – Environment Minister David Parker
Unlike the Government’s reforms to the health sector and three waters, which both involve different forms of what can be called co-governance, its replacement to the Resource Management Act would involve consultation with Maori, but no co-governance.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/no-co-governance-in-rma-reforms-environment-minister-david-parker/LNOQLO6F3AYU6EQWV4PBO6QAJ4/

■ Natural and Built Environment replaces the Resource Management Act: What you need to know
RNZ spoke to the reform programme’s biggest supporter, Environment Minister David Parker
More involvement for Māori [condensed]
Interacting with more than 60 Treaty settlements, the new legislation is to “give effect to the principles of te Tiriti o Waitangi and greater recognition of te ao Māori, including mātauranga Māori“.
“Give effect to” is a more active requirement than the old RMA that the principles to be “taken into account”.

A new independent National Māori Entity will monitor Treaty responsibilities and assess the system’s overall effect.
Seven members will be each appointed for up to six years – on a rolling basis – by the minister, from nominations by Māori. Between them the members will need experience and knowledge of te Tiriti, tikanga Māori, mātauranga Māori, monitoring and reporting, knowledge of the law, communications and governance.
Planning committees will also consult with affected iwi and hapū groups, and they will be able to at any time submit a statement on te oranga o te taiao, which roughly translates as ‘the wellbeing of the environment’.

The legislation describes it as: “a te ao Māori concept that speaks to the health of the natural environment, the essential relationship between the health of the natural environment and its capacity to sustain life, and the interconnectedness of all parts of the environment”
The legislation does not require anything be done about these statements.

Finally, the legislation would also set up a new Freshwater Working Group, which would provide recommendations on allocation.
There is also a clause within the legislation which states any rights or interests in freshwater or geothermal resources are preserved, consistent with a 2012 High Court ruling.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/what-you-need-to-know/481228/natural-and-built-environment-replaces-the-resource-management-act-what-you-need-to-know

The new “National Māori Entity” does sound a little like the Maori Advisory Council to Taumata Arowai governing “3 Waters”, and a te oranga o te taiao (environmental wellbeing) statement does sound very much like an unbridled Mana o te Wai (water worship) “3 Waters” statement – one ~~Statement~~ Edict to Rule them all – not just “co-governance”, but “complete governance”?

Of course, what has been passed and is law for “3 Waters” should now be perpetrated on the new RMA?
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January 5, 2023 8:01am
- Nickc2
  
  Has National or Act pledged to repeal all this crap?
  If so, I haven’t seen or heard about it in our MSM.
  WRT our MSM, no surprises there eh?
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:28am
  - krazykiwi
    
    No. They’ve narrowly staked out their ‘pushback’ as replacing 3W. Full on racist governance, ethic dominance and lashings of liberal white guilt will continue under a National government. Only ACT appear to have their head in the game.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:38am
    - Prince
      
      But you say Act has not pledged to repeal the Act ?
      
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      January 5, 2023 9:47am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Sorry. Should have read ‘ethnic’. ACT look to be the only party brave enough to call out New Zealand’s metastasizing apartheid. Still, proof of the pudding, and all that.
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:17am
    - peterwn
      
      Pledge or no pledge failing to vote ACT or National is as good as a vote for Labour
      
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      January 5, 2023 10:27am
    - Alex
      
      Krazykiwi Seymour got called a prick because he challenged Ardernista on Religious freedom in Hate Speech Laws.
      Rest of them too yellow to moan.
      
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      January 5, 2023 11:55am
    - Jimbob
      
      I bet the RMA will be over hauled. David Seymour has this near the top of his hit list. I would be shocked if this is not fixed, once and for all.
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:46pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Judith Collins has done a large amount of work on RMA reform since 2017.
        
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        January 5, 2023 6:58pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Luxon has repeatedly said, over nine months or more, that there will be NO co-governance of public services under a National government:
      
      A country that emphasizes what unites us, instead of what divides us. A country that says absolutely, explicitly, that there is one standard of democracy, equal voting rights and no co-governance of public services.
      
      That’s the New Zealand I want to live in.
      
      https://www.national.org.nz/speech_christopher_luxon_speech_to_the_2022_national_party_annual_conference
      
      Unless you believe “absolutely, explicitly” to mean something different to me, that’s a pretty categorical ruling-out of co-governance.
      
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      January 5, 2023 6:56pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Since when has National ever reformed, repealed or reversed anything like this a previous Labour introduced?
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:06pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    National has said there will not be any separatist services
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:52am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    National needs to look at Ron DeSantis for clues on a winning formula. Have firm principles, then firmly enact them.
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:23am
    - Colville
      
      The first principle that National needs is to get elected. Until that is achieved nothing much else matters.
      
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      January 5, 2023 6:15pm
      - Mike
        
        The raison d’etre of all political parties.
        
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        January 5, 2023 6:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Problem for anybody in the future, is that by the end of 2023 it will be so deeply embedded, that it will take all the powers to undo it – and by legislation will be needed and the Courts and the media will support the Maori Kulture version whatever.
    
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    January 5, 2023 2:14pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Paulus they are employing a Marxian/rules for radicals strategy. Overwhelm and demoralise the sheeple so they simply throw their hands up and get carried along with the current. The answer is to signal that all this undemocratic and racial crap will be yanked out immediately, root and branch upon being voted into office, then actually do it, regardless of the cost.
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:35pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Not quite. Three Waters isn’t scheduled to come into force until 2024, so an incoming National-Act government could put an immediate halt on any empire-building. Having done that, they would then be able to enact the legislation repealing Three Waters, and by that time, we will know what National’s proposed replacement legislation looks like.
      
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      January 6, 2023 8:01am
      - Nickc2
        
        Replacement is not an option in my view. The whole thing MUST BE REPEALED!!!
        Put our water systems back how they were before Ardern and her Maori Caucus stole them from us.
        
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        January 6, 2023 8:17am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I believe that the Natural and Built Environment Act will be a far, far worse nightmare than the RMA. The regional “planning committees” have equal representation from Iwi and Councils. How is that not a form of “co governance”?
  
  Resource consenting decisions will be based on “mātauranga Māori”, essentially mythology. It is an absolute horror show.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:31am
- wilderbeast
  
  Having had the misfortune to see the RMA approval process up close in recent times, any rhetoric that denies co-governance is purely semantic. Councils know what way the tide is running and involve Iwi wherever possible, regardless of the proposal or the land it would happen on. It often amounts to a situation where Council AND Iwi APPROVAL is needed, and if the Council sniffs that Iwi is nervous / opposed then you won’t get their approval anyway. A separate but related issue is the erosion of private property rights – in practice it is sometimes already asserted that Iwi have jurisdiction over what should or shouldn’t happen on private land. This will be followed through much more strongly under the reforms. From what I’ve seen this can be at egregious levels that overreach NZ property law, the RMA and the principles of contract and natural justice. Basically it is at a level that certificates of title for private property should be tagged to signal to property owners that Iwi have a legal claim over their property. When this is fully understood in the marketplace the impact on investment confidence will be enormous, with direct and obvious downstream impacts on the economy in general. We are really playing with fire, and the lawmakers need to seriously reacquaint themselves with the preconditions for economic success and social well-being, because I see a slow but steady descent into third world status the way things are going.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:21am
  - Swifty
    
    Very, very good points wilderbeast.
    
    Ask our MPs how wealth is created and what are the conditions necessary for a prosperous society and you’ll just receive a lot of guff about redistributing the pie.
    
    Very few will even understand the question is my belief. It won’t even occur to most how the pie exists in the first place or how to make it bigger over time – and what things can jeopardise the pie’s existence.
    
    You can bet on it.
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:20pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You will appreciate this:
    
    http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2022/12/not-outside-of-asylum.html
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:51pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    When Kapiti Coast DC placed coastal erosion warnings on LIMs, property owners went ballistic due to the perceived impact on property values.
    
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    January 5, 2023 1:08pm
Toes on the nose

Happy International Day of useless immigration ministers finally getting it right and deporting violent crooks. A functioning democracy would have done in 20 hours not 20 years.
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January 5, 2023 8:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

The story about Karel Šroubek’s impending deportation has disappeared from the Front of MSM websites.

Strange that the media mentioned the deportation decision late yesterday… when the decision was passed on December 8th.

Full judgement here:
https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/IPTV2/Deportation/rem_20221208_600569.pdf

(minus 35 withheld paragraphs)
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January 5, 2023 8:04am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Friends in ‘high’ places?
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:07am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Haha. Nothing on the USA. Look at this background for billionaire scam artist, Sam Bankman-Fried:
    
    The Bankman-Fried extended family is the quintessence of Woke aristocracy. Dad Joe Bankman and mom Barbara Fried are both law professors at Stanford. She also acted as a money-bundler for the Democratic Party and ran two non-profit “voter registration” orgs (against the IRS laws which only permit non-partisan organized voter registration). Brother Gabe Bankman-Fried headed a non-profit named Guarding Against Pandemics (funded by Sam), which lobbies Congress to construct new platforms for medical tyranny. Aunt Linda Fried is Dean of Columbia U’s Public Health school, and is associated with Johns Hopkins, which ran the October 2019 Event 201 pandemic drill (sponsored by the Gates Foundation) months before the Covid-19 outbreak.
    
    Sam’s girlfriend, Caroline Ellison, ran the Alameda Investments arm of the FTX empire (that is, FTX’s own money laundromat). Her dad, Glenn Ellison, is chair of MIT’s Econ School. His former colleague on the MIT Econ faculty, Gary Gensler, who specialized in blockchains there, is now head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, an agency that Sam Bankman-Fried was attempting to rope into a regulation scheme to eliminate FTX’s crypto-currency competitors. Caroline’s mom, Sara Fisher Ellison, is an MIT econ prof specializing in the pharmaceutical industry (fancy that!).
    
    What’s the old George Carlin quote? “It’s a big club – and you ain’t in it”
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  The story is still on @$tuff under the National section.
  Mr Stroubec sounds like a top guy. Wants to stay coz -‘partner” and they might have children…..
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:13am
  - kevn
    
    @Gravewl… The Czech must have been an asset to someone or maybe he ‘was’ once.
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I thought he was selling them.
      
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      January 5, 2023 8:43am
  - kowtow
    
    If it was Britain a cat would suffice .
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:28am
    - rockape
      
      Yes, one with nine tails !
      
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      January 5, 2023 10:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    He’s a stupid narcissist, who thinks everyone else is stupid too. Probably why he’s mates with Jacinda, she and Clark-ee are exactly the same.
    
    One of his “reasons” for wanting to stay was that it would be impossible for him to continue developing an app in the Czech Republic, which I’m sure would come as a surprise to the flourishing Czech IT industry.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:03am
  - dubya
    
    He is or was married and despite wanting to fly under the radar, appeared in one of those awful wedding magazines. My question though, if he’s living under a false identity, is any marriage null and void if he used that fake identity to become party to it?
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:28am
- peterwn
  
  Paragraph 6 – false identity used to obtain entry. I have no sympathy for those who enter NZ with false identities or flush passports down the toilet then claim refugee status.
  Paragraph 1 – ‘that his resident visa was granted as a result of an administrative error’. BS – the Immigration Department was a victim of fraud.
  He was lucky to be given three months to wind down his affairs. 48 hours would have sufficed.
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:19am
  - pdm
    
    That Ahmed Zaoui chappie flushed his passport down the dunny too as I recall.
    
    I was never convinced his credentials as a refugee were credible.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Now back living in Algeria.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/enemy-of-the-state-the-ahmed-zaoui-file-episode-10-postscript/GM3NEYDAG6APBPXZD7Z7VYOKPM/
      
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      January 5, 2023 9:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Did Zaoui leave a crowd of rellies in NZ?
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:48am
      - kevn
        
        @Maggy… NZ exports much more Manuka honey than we actually produce.
        Another glowing example of test tube science.
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:49am
      - Gravelroad
        
        What happened to the other chap – musician, mate of politicians In high places – lives in Dunedin or somewhere?
        Wasn’t he on a visitor’s permit but now won’t leave?
        
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        January 5, 2023 10:15am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Running a burger cart in PN didn’t agree with him?
        
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        January 5, 2023 10:16am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Bouhraz? I saw him on Lambton Quay a couple of months ago. Looked haggard & a bit seedy, thought. I believe he’s lecturing at Canty Uni.
        
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        January 5, 2023 10:17am
      - pdm
        
        gravel – was that the fellow hiding behind Golriz Ghahramans skirts.
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:33am
      - igm
        
        Did he not also leave a long list of creditors before doing a runner?
        Real nice bastard.
        
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        January 5, 2023 4:56pm
    - crackle
      
      He seemed to be a decent guy, had a Kebab caravan in Palmy North was there all hours so certainly not afraid of hard work. More than I can say for plenty of NZrs and some immigrants for that matter.
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:31pm
      - kowtow
        
        The GIA was the armed wing of the FIS .
        
        Tens of thousands massacred . By both sides .
        
        ‘Decency’ doesn’t come into it.
        
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        January 5, 2023 1:35pm
- Clyde
  
  Just remind me again. What connections did this upright, worthy representative of NZ have in the political arena?
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:20am
- Taieri
  
  Still on the front page here:
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:43am
  - Apteryx
    
    Not any more. @1251
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:51pm
- pdm
  
  Maggy they must have forgotten to release it at 4.59pm Christmas Eve.
  
  No wait – they had 130plus pages of 3/5/All/Waters legislation to dump then didn’t they.
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:45am
- Nickc2
  
  Did any of the missing paragraphs have to do with why he had Cindy’s, Clarke’s and Richie Hardcore’s phone numbers on speed dial?
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not one mention
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Who can tell?
    
    But one paragraph (78) contained Šroubek’s assertion that the National Party was to blame for “publicising” his plight.
    
    The appellant believes that after the Minister of Immigration decided to
    cancel his liability for deportation and directed that he be granted a resident visa in
    his correct identity, he was the victim of a media campaign, initiated by his ex-wife
    seeking to financially benefit from his deportation, and promoted by National Party
    politicians for political gain.
    
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    January 5, 2023 1:08pm
    - Nickc2
      
      WTF did he expect? His allegiances were to the wrong Political Party? He picked a bunch of losers.
      
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      January 5, 2023 1:17pm
    - Thought Criminal
      
      The trick is to not pick. Pay both off. Both would gladly take donations for citizenship.
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:59pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That is a bloody disgrace, it should have been made public straight away, I also note no reference to Ardern or the first blowhard, but plenty of blaming ILG who was thrown under the bus by a corrupt pm
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:57am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Jacinda never takes the blame.
    
    Or apologises.
    
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    January 5, 2023 5:00pm
    - Ghost
      
      She has no problem apologising for events that occurred in previous generations so I take that to mean in a few decades a labour PM will apologise for what Jacinda Ardern did
      
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      January 5, 2023 5:09pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Holidays are a great time for sneaking dodgy things around the public gaze.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    This should have been of public interest
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:06pm
- Paulus
  
  Sroubeck deportation hasn’t happened yet – watch this space!
  
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  January 5, 2023 2:16pm
Souvlaki

Will he squeal before departure I wonder…….
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January 5, 2023 8:07am
- cmm
  
  When he arrives back in Europe there will be cops ready to pick him up. Do they allow memoir writing in Czech prisons?
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:18am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Can he leave NZ of his own accord, ie without an NZ Police escort? If so, he can live anywhere in the EU. Assuming his passport doesn’t go ‘ping’ at Immigration.
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:39am
    - cmm
      
      Assuming he has an EU arrest warrant out against him, his passport will go ping at immigration wherever he lands in Europe.
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I hope he will squeal. This shit needs to be out in the open to expose the corruption.
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He said he won’t speak to the media AT THIS STAGE, he has three months to leave, he may we’ll give a parting shot
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 months to have a garage sale of cheap stuff?
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:25pm
Tomtoddy

I won a small bet. On NY’s Day I said within 7 days there would be an announcement that 2022 “was our hottest year yet”. Happened yesterday.

The facts and figures do not matter. They can always be manipulated. It’s the story that counts. Stoke the fear. Keep the high paying job.
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January 5, 2023 8:07am
- Biscuit
  
  Tom, I won a similar bet.
  
  ‘Within days of the New Year arriving, Stuff will run a ‘New Year, Is It Time For A New Name For This Country?’ piece…
  
  Stuff never fails to underwhelm…
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stuff get their best ideas from others, because they can’t think for themselves. You have just given one to them.
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:46am
  - graham
    
    The Herald has had a podcast up on its page for a couple of days now, entitled “New Year, New Name? Is it time New Zealand officially became Aotearoa”.
    
    I haven’t bothered clicking on it, so no idea who it’s by or any of the details, but if anybody wants to take one for the team please do report back.
    
    I idly wondered if the person behind it had given any thought to the huge administrative nightmares and vast expense of officially renaming our country, but as I say – can’t be bothered clicking on something that to me is little more than mere clickbait.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:26am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Both $1Stuufed and the Horrid ran the same story on the same day.
    
    Now, how could that possibly have even, just like the news media management today. Govt spinmeisters have been in overdrive, given:
    
    1. Lose the deportation story from the front pages of the MSM;
    2. Then plant stories (RNZ & TVNZ websites) about why 3/5 Waters is so necessary – apparently, Canterbury beaches have had to be closed because of poor water quality. Statistics for the last 5 years show that parts of Lyttleton Harbour have had regular water quality issues. There is no indication of source, the report just says faecel material. It then goes on to talk about water issues around the country. Pro.ving it is a plant story inferring how we need 3 Waters to fix such problems.
    
    National’ & Act’s reality checks are:
    1 the MSM are propaganda vehicles for the govt;
    2. Don’t rely on the MSM to get the messages out;
    3. Smart use of alternative/independent media fo rms is an imperative.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:51am
    - GJM
      
      National and Act need to realise the media are the enemy, and deal with them accordingly. All media subsidies gone by lunchtime, alladvertising stopped, unless it is a clear and defined purpose, signed off by the minister, so no more feel good ads. Take advantage of Wily Jackson’s amalgamation and sell both tvnz and red radio as a going concern, $1 reserve and other government taxpayer funding.
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:59pm
- G152
  
  Imagine the mad rushing about of the weather whether lads and lasses each with thermometer in hand seeking the elusive temperature to top all temperatures.
  I’d imagine it being a government thing it would be walkie talkies and arguments over decimal points/
  Where are the satirists?
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:20am
- Gravelroad
  
  And yet, here we are -still in our winter pyjamas.
  Cold in the country.
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:25am
  - pdm
    
    gravel – and wet.
    
    Especially wet in Hawkes Bay.
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:28am
    - Colville
      
      And rain forecast for the next ten days… ☔
      
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      January 5, 2023 8:39am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Dry as in Wellington. I hear it’s wet up North; hard to say from here whether that’s just media- manufactured weather porn.
      
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      January 5, 2023 8:41am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        We got 80 mm of rain in 24 hours in Whangarei yesterday. No screaming downpours but a steady rain.
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:01am
      - hullkiwi
        
        NMTB, we are in the same weather pattern that we see every 10 years.
        
        Despite what Chief NIWA twit Brandalino said, I was predicting in October to friends and family that:
        
        1. NZ will have a wet summer, with odd periods of dry weather;
        2. Winter 2023 will come early;
        3. The winter will be cold;
        4. It will be a good year for skiing this year.
        
        I have seen the same weather pattern in NZ in 1979/80 & 1989/90. This is not climate change.
        
        PS. Check the birth statistics in the periods Aug -Oct in 1980 and 1990. Amazing what people do on holiday when it is wet.
        
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        January 5, 2023 10:00am
      - Interested Party
        
        Yes definitely wet, but not big time wet – it’s more the wind, blowing consistently above 40km – perhaps a normal day in Wellington 😄
        
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        January 5, 2023 10:01am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Info@ we have been the same in Ahuroa (Rodney).
        
        Interesting facts from the last 2 years in Pujoi.
        
        2021 – 1450mm of rain, 2022 1975mm of rain.
        
        A typical end of a El Nino, La Nina weather pattern.
        
        That is a climate cycle. Expect a dry/windy summer for 2023/24. Sadly, I’m old enough to have seen these weather patterns before.
        
        Weather patterns are not climate change!
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:27am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “I have seen the same weather pattern in NZ in 1979/80 & 1989/90. This is not climate change.”
        
        Yep. Well known climate cycles. Largely ocean heat slowly drifting around in observable patterns over years, decades and even centuries. The oceans are 70% of the earth’s surface. Then there’s the variable energy output of the sun (which has observable cycles) and earth/solar/planetary orbital variations (which have observable cycles). The human portion of Co2 in the atmosphere is minuscule and the effect of Co2 on the climate is minuscule after a certain concentration is reached (already reached). Like co-governance, another huge and expensive con job being pushed by narrative worshiping twits, cynical grifters and malignant enemy regimes.
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:36am
    - Cassandra
      
      And BoP. But good times coming, keep,your gardening gloves ready.
      
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      January 5, 2023 8:41am
    - Biscuit
      
      I associate Hawkes Bay with nothing BUT wetness!
      
      (O darn, pdm, it’s only the 5th of January and already my ‘I will be nice to my provincial cousins in 2023’ New Year’s Resolution is down the tubes…)
      
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      January 5, 2023 8:44am
      - pdm
        
        Biscuit you just keep polishing that Ranfurly Shield that we will be getting back to it’s usual home in a few months.
        
        Come On The Bay!!!!!
        
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        January 5, 2023 8:47am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @pdm by “Come on the Bay!” I take it you mean the glorious Bay of Plenty, rightful holder of the title “The Bay” since we kicked their backsides in the NPC last season.
        
        If so, then indeed “Come on the Bay!!!”
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:06am
      - pdm
        
        lodden.
        
        Hawkes Bay is the only Bay.
        
        You guys can stick with Hori BOP – remember him?
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:18am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @pdm I’m just going to leave this here:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ECTMqp8IEE
        
        As the commentator said in the intro: “…the right to use two three-letter words for the next 12 months.”
        
        Spoiler alert: the Bay beat Hawkes Bay 20-14 🙂
        
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        January 5, 2023 12:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The wind has torn my Stars and Stripes flag to bits.
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:48am
    - Biscuit
      
      Yikes, Steve…
      
      You may have seen at Her Madge’s funeral that they bolted the more important Crown Jewels to the coffin to stop same falling off during the processionals through London’s streets.
      
      [Even though I saw nary the one Kiwi-style pothole, heh…]
      
      I am thinking the Wellington Rugby Union needs something similar re our Ranfurly Shield.
      
      Here in Wellington, ‘the Riviera of the South’, the Shield is of course safe from such hazards but pdm’s comments imply it might get WET should it ever again find its way to Napier and you, here, suggest it might – gasp! – be blown away in the Queen City’s commonplace gales.
      
      I shall shortly front with my toolkit at Sky Stadium to effect a few safeguarding manouvres…
      
      I can see it now:
      
      King’s Birthday Honours 2023:
      A knighthood to that nice, kind, drop-dead-gorgeous Biscuit, for services to preventing a national tresaure from beng despoiled by unnecessary travelling
      
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      January 5, 2023 9:23am
      - pdm
        
        Biscuit – wording change needed.
        
        Drop Kick instead of drop………..etc etc.
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:49am
      - Prince
        
        Wellington have accepted Shield challenges in 2023 from:
        Makara.
        Greymouth.
        Riversdale (North).
        Buller
        Spring Creek
        Dargaville
        Paekakariki
        Samson.
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:59am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Is that village just south of Ohakea named Delilah?
        
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        January 5, 2023 10:18am
- RockyJ
  
  Jamie Morton, the Herald “science reporter” gives a regular prediction every November that the coming summer will be a scorcher. He has done this for the last four years, generally predicting temperatures in the mid 30 degrees C for long periods over the coming summers. This is based, of course, on modelling.
  
  He is always wrong.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:22am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Well, he wasn’t wrong last year. Anyway we are only just into the second month of summer. There is still February to come.
    Though I tend to be of the view that summer is really from beginning of November to end of March. On that basis it has been wet so far, though sea temperatures are well above the average.
    Hottest summer (or hottest year) is not based on the hottest daily temperature but on average temperatures throughout all 24 hours of the day, and for all of the months of the year. On the basis, it has been quite warm, in large part because nighttime temperatures are relatively high.
    Certainly in Auckland we had a mild winter, with spring time gardening starting significantly earlier than usual. Pohutukawa flowering was also a couple of weeks early and was virtually all over by Christmas.
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:44am
    - RockyJ
      
      The warm seas around NZ are off set by the colder seas in the eastern Pacific. It’s La Niña.
      
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      January 5, 2023 2:20pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The New Pause lengthens: 100 Months with No Warming At All:
      
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/04/the-new-pause-lengthens-100-months-with-no-warming-at-all/
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:41pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        And the conclusion comment at the end of that link:
        
        “What we can say is this. Even if the whole of the West actually attained net zero emissions by 2050, the world would be just one-seventeenth of a degree cooler than if the current and continuing uptrend in global emissions were to continue. And each $1 billion we spend on destroying the Western economies would prevent between one four-millionth and one thirty-millionth of a degree of future warming. And we can’t even achieve that much, because the necessary techno-metals to attain net zero are just not available.”
        
        Any lefties with a brain, please let that sink in.
        
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        January 5, 2023 5:26pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    If he relies on the Yank Brandalino, his models are bound to be wrong.
    
    In the UK the Met Service would always give predictions to the media and if there were a few weeks of fine weather, we would be told it was going to be a BBQ Summer, and the authorities would impose hose bans. These two events were a sure fired way to encourage the clouds to open up, and summer would be soggy.
    
    Not scientific at all, but some how I think Murphy may have been having a laugh with all of us!
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:33am
    - hullkiwi
      
      [Fixed – mod.]
      
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      January 5, 2023 11:43am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I would be astonished if the 2022/2023 summer has mean temperatures below average.
    
    New Zealand mean temperature for Spring 2022 was well above average.
    
    New Zealand mean temperature for Winter 2022 was the highest ever recorded.
    
    New Zealand mean temperature for Autumn 2022 was the second-highest ever recorded.
    
    https://niwa.co.nz/climate/summaries
    
    Examining summers for the last decade …
    
    Summer 2021/2022 was the 5th warmest ever recorded.
    
    Summer 2020/2021 had average temperatures.
    
    Summer 2019/2020 had above average temperatures.
    
    Summer 2018/2019 was the 3rd warmest ever recorded.
    
    Summer 2017/2018 was the warmest ever recorded.
    
    I have to go back to 2011/2012 to find a summer where New Zealand had mean temperature below the long-term average.
    
    https://niwa.co.nz/climate/summaries/seasonal?page=1
    
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    January 5, 2023 4:06pm
    - Jimbob
      
      You are gullible to believe NIWA.
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:30pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        They collect temperature data from every recording station in New Zealand. Are you suggesting that NIWA is falsifying its data?
        
        I am a data analyst. I am not gullible. I do not think that New Zealand has gone so far down the rabbit hole that we cannot trust recorded temperature data.
        
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        January 5, 2023 5:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Benedict
        NIWA openly admit they alter raw data.
        They call the process Homogenisation.
        There has been controversy over changing data in whats called the Seven Station series.
        (cooled the past and warmed the present?)
        Then there is the issue of how the Stevenson Screens they use are just not accurate anyway.
        They use Mercury Thermometers not anything Digital.
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/7593/stevenson-screen#:
        The margin of error is a joke so claiming an increase of point something is not credible.
        The ‘data’ ain’t that flash.
        The US is the only country digitalizing their data collection.
        Then there is Urban Heat Island Effect. Cities put out heat and as we consume more energy then more heat is emitted.
        Putting such issues aside there does seem to be a warming trend over the past 100 years. Its up and down though and NOT a catastrophic increase.
        And any changes are regional-mainly in the Northern Hemisphere. Global averages show minimal warming.
        
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        January 5, 2023 5:54pm
      - cmm
        
        “Are you suggesting that NIWA is falsifying its data?”
        
        No, no, no…. of course they do not falsify data….
        
        But they do “correct” it.
        
        In the past when I have tried to get raw (as measured) data from them they said that they only had “corrected” data and had destroyed the original data to save disk space.
        
        You can call that what you like, but it is not science.
        
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        January 16, 2023 1:56pm
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    the sean hendy of weatherman
    
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    January 6, 2023 5:00am
- JJ56
  
  For a bit on the global satellite UAH temp see https://www.drroyspencer.com/2023/01/uah-global-temperature-update-2022-was-the-7th-warmest-of-44-year-satellite-record/
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:38am
- NothingLeft
  
  2022 was only 7th warmest year in UAH satellite temperature record (not subject to manufactured heating via value-torturing adjustments of land based records). Global warming trend remains 0.13°C/decade.
  
  https://www.drroyspencer.com/2023/01/uah-global-temperature-update-2022-was-the-7th-warmest-of-44-year-satellite-record/
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:41am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    The current global warming pause is now over 8 years long, and the global average currently sits right on the 1991-2020 average.
    Not that MSM would ever tell us that.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/04/the-new-pause-lengthens-100-months-with-no-warming-at-all/
    
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    January 5, 2023 4:34pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Spencer and Christy are frauds. They were frauds when I started working on climate change 20 years ago.
      
      Mean global temperatures are rising. The policy responses can be debated. I think New Zealand climate change policies are idiotic. However, claiming the earth is not warming is as stupid as claiming the COVID vaccine is safe and effective.
      
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      January 5, 2023 5:43pm
      - cmm
        
        How did you measure that BY?
        
        Unless measurements are like-for-like, they are borderline worthless.
        
        For example, many temperature measurements are taken at airports (temperature needs to be measured to calculate maximum take off weight etc).
        
        But is is reasonable to compare an airport of today with the same airport 50 or 60 years ago?
        
        Here’s Chch airport in the 1960s. https://discoverywall.nz/media/54151?page=6
        
        Think of what has changed: more tarmac, bigger planes, airconditioning…
        Do you really think it is scientific to compare temperatures?
        
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        January 16, 2023 2:06pm
slightlyrighty

The GOP is not doing itself any favours with its infighting to get a Speaker nominated.

20 Maga congressmen are blocking McCarthy at all costs.

Not a good look.
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January 5, 2023 8:09am
- Loddenthinks
  
  McCarthyism wasn’t cool 60 years ago, and it’s not cool now.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Nor was communism.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:15am
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps its just any Irish name you object to!
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:40am
- hullkiwi
  
  The MAGA morons are scoring own goals. While the prats in the House of Reps were making themselves look foolish, Biden was doing a Bi-Partisan deal with the Senate Minority leader to get legislation progressed.
  
  So, with all the carry on Washington, Biden is given credibility as a leader. The Trump/MAGA infantile need to take a deep breath and look at themselves in the mirror, because right now people are seeing a party not fit for government.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:53am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Biden was doing a Bi-Partisan deal with the Senate Minority leader to get legislation progressed.
    
    So bi-partisanship is worth passing a $1.7 trillion budget deal that was set up by the previous Democrat congress and will lock the new GOP majority out of any budget work for the next nine months, even though that’s what they were elected to do? Thanks McConnell and the likes of Romney. A deal loaded with pork (hence McConnell’s back-clapping with Biden the other day in Virginia).comprising 4000 pages that House and Senate members were given merely a few hours to peruse.
    
    FFS! What would you say if we ran our budgets that way with National Party input to such monstrosities.
    
    As far as MCos’s confusion above re “MAGA” vs McCarthy while the latter is being backed by Trump, that $1.7 trillion joke is the reason – and it goes back at least as far as the first failed votes on the TARP bills in late 2008 when most of the GOP and more than a few Democrats voted no on those type of bank bailouts but eventually got rolled. And Trump has never understood “The Swamp”, which is why he selected so many members of it for his administration, as well as still craving the love of the NYT and company even as they hated his guts. It was the reverse of the Truman assessment of Eisenhower.
    
    As has been repeatedly stated, Trump is just a symbol (though he doesn’t know that) of a fight that’s been coming for a long time and is going to get uglier as US Federal debt rises. The Biden’s, McConnell’s, and McCarthy’s don’t accept that.
    
    But if you do want to understand what’s going on, look at this exchange between Fox News’s Ingraham and Texas House Rep, Chip Roy:
    
    Ingraham:However, you still have to get to 218, so again, I’m going to ask you: What is your end game here? Because it looks like we could be going to something, in my view, a lot worse than someone who isn’t…who passes an ideological purity test.
    
    Roy: It’s not an ideological purity test. This isn’t about Kevin, right? This is about all of the assertions being made by Kevin’s camp. When I hear an assertion that says, ‘Oh, they gave you everything you wanted,’ Laura, hold on a second — what 72 hours to read a bill? That’s already the rule and it gets waived. Do you know how it gets waived? Because the Rules Committee is chock-full of a bunch of establishment people who say, ‘Oh, whatever we need to do to jam through the big spending bill that Mitch McConnell just sent to us.’ Look, when the leadership actually votes with the minority — votes with the Democrats — to steamroll Republicans, which is the past history of our Republican leadership, then maybe we should do something different.
    
    Exactly, and this fight between the go-along-to-get-along status quo types and those who recognise the need for fundamental changes, is coming to this country as well, sooner or later. In many respects it’s a repeat of the early 1980’s where people knew things were failing; whether you liked it or not Rogernomics, or something like it, was going to happen.
    
    Same now, only this time it will be with Social Welfare, Healthcare and Education – although god knows our business/economic productivity needs a massive improvement too, since everything else rests on that.
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:18pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Tom’s firmly with the faction that wants to burn it all down.
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Don’t touch that Strawman button!
        
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        January 5, 2023 4:43pm
- Ghost
  
  A wise decision who better than the first man to land on mars, also the reincarnation of Nancy Pelosi, and tipped to be America’s first Native American president….
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:17pm
Luke Piewalker

Message to Cindy: You are gone this November.

Yep. Yep that’s what it is.
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January 5, 2023 8:10am
- hullkiwi
  
  …and with each successive day, we are one day closer to that momentous event.
  
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  January 5, 2023 6:37pm
kevn

@Tom… In the Eastern BOP we have had 5 meters of rain in the last 6 months. So, hottest and wettest?
Hard to keep a tab on it all.
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January 5, 2023 8:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is not hard to keep a tab on it all. There is excellent data from hundreds of weather stations 🙂
  
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  January 5, 2023 5:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I found something for the socialist lefties.
20 reasons why socialism is bad for humanity.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/20-reasons-why-capitalism-is-bad-for-humanity/ss-AA15XcM5
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January 5, 2023 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ready for the great reset?
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:31am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The link, and the article, are for an article on why Capitalism is “bad for humanity” not socialism.
  
  I got as far as the first sentence of “reason” #1: There’s no denying that the climate is in crisis…..
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes Loddenthinks.
  That word ‘socialism’ should not be there. Capitalism is bad for humanity**
  My mistake, must have socialism on the brain.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another Covid variant growing at an alarming rate says the pink terror.
This could be just what Jaspinda wants (Yes, I lockdown and get my control of the peasants back)
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/kiwi-experts-worried-as-evasive-covid-19-super-variant-makes-waves-in-us/ar-AA15WI0e
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January 5, 2023 8:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  OffGuardian have covered it with their usual aplomb. On the financialisation aspect of the covid narrative, pointing out that for many, this is their income stream and it is a golden goose.
  
  But Covid has become a self-driving narrative.
  
  It is a self-perpetuating machine, not out of the control of its creators, but currently set to auto-pilot. We’ve reached the propaganda singularity – that point at which too many people have too much riding on the supposed “reality” of Covid to ever let it die.
  
  Covid has become a cottage industry. Sucking in money on one end, spitting out variants on the other.
  
  And while, for the present, that is a quiet process running in the background, at any moment one of these “variants” can be plucked from relative obscurity and used to restart lockdowns and mask mandates and the whole pandemic spiel.
  
  A little fear porn farm, with a ripening crop to be harvested as needed.
  
  https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/04/yet-another-covid-variant-omicron-xbb-the-self-driving-narrative/
  
  Very much worth reading the full article to get the context.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:00am
- Yvette
  
  Saving 10,000 will sound better than just 5,000
  
  “One of our critical advisers through this, who’s from the science community, mentioned to me the other day that on their calculation, give or take possibly 5000 people have been saved by what we had done,” she said.
  “So in those moments, I think of that. Now those 5000 people, they don’t know who they are. “They don’t know that it was them that has been potentially protected by these measures. But I just keep that in my mind. It’s been hard but the flipside would have been even more painful.”
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-she-can-see-the-light-as-new-zealand-deals-with-wicked-perfect-storm-cost-of-living-crisis.html
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    All evidence available and emerging says exactly the opposite. ALL evidence. The vaccines MAY have saved some people who were already seriously ill or at risk, but they have killed and injured many more.
    Lockdowns saved nobody. They killed people.
    
    Lockdowns MAY have delayed some deaths, but ultimately the miracle vaccine which MIGHT have justified these actions didn’t transpire.
    
    People were forced to hide under the bed, (though some embraced this stupidity.) People were forced to wear virtue signaling, pointless face nappies that do more harm than good.
    All that these actions achieved was weakened immune systems and unhealthy people became even unhealthier and more prone to serious illness when infected with a respiratory illness.
    Mental health has been damaged, particularly in children. This will impact negatively on a whole generation.
    The economy has been devastated, thousands of lives have been negatively impacted, family relationships and friendships have been destroyed.
    
    Cheap, safe, alternative treatments were banned. Antibody testing was banned. Everything was about the “vaccine.”
    
    There was NOTHING done to educate people about taking actions to strengthen their immune systems through diet, exercise, fresh air and ensuring adequate intake of vitamin D, C and zinc
    
    There was NOTHING done to prepare the health system for an increase in hospital visits due to an expected flood of covid infections.
    
    Based on the above facts, on what planet can Ardern claim to have saved anyone? She is delusional. Actually no, she fully understands that she failed utterly.
    
    This is simply the whitewashing of reality.
    
    2 2=5
    
    We have never been at war with Eastasia.
    
    This is just the beginning of the next stage of the propaganda and lies and ass covering to pretend none of this happened.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:39am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Always remember: not a single life was saved. No one here gets out alive.
      
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      January 5, 2023 1:15pm
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Given you have to vaccinate 7000 to save 1 life (Phizer’s stats not mine) then her 5000 number is just not possible, like all things models best taken with a pound of salt.
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:54am
  - Its only I
    
    Effective Language isn’t it. Stand back from it slightly and look at it, its political art. Suspect paint though…corn chunks?…diced carrot? I wonder if she remembers eating that?
    
    The thing is, no other politician has ever been given permission to simply to cough up a furball for an answer.
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:24am
- kowtow
  
  Perhaps she should bike off to the beach with a pal for some swimming that wasn’t swimming………
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I wonder where she is hiding this year, remember her being yelled at on more than one occasion last year?
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Blofeld saved her. Something about paddling is not swimming.
    We stayed at home while the pink terror went out.
    Yip, yip, that’s what it is.
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That was not the law at the time, I remember people walking on Sumner beach being arrested even though they lived at sumner
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:12pm
    - kowtow
      
      He declared that the companion was not swimming, based on a conversation with the Pink one.
      
      The new reality , swimming is not swimming when you’re one of the in crowd.
      
      Meanwhile the media hounded others and the state prosecuted them.
      
      Never forget .
      
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      January 5, 2023 1:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘NZ is going through a difficult period’
  Listen up Jaspinda. NZ has been going through a difficult period for the last 5 years, all because of you. Own it, there is no light ffs.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:07am
- Stellaboxer
  
  The worst thing ( or best depending on your point of view) she could do is lockdown and bring back other measures. She is trying as hard as she can to pretend it never happened. Bringing back Covid restrictions would only bring back the memories of her reign of terror.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s still Omicron, they are full of shit and scare mongering
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:06am
- Alex
  
  Here’s a ditty on pink terror.after BFD put up video of her at Judges Bay during lockdown.
  There was a young lady named Siouxie Wiles who climbed over a style at a Judges Bay,
  With her friend Dr. Gaston,
  Who went for a swim,
  Right up to her chin,
  This was claimed o be a paddle ,
  What Twaddle.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:14am
- hullkiwi
  
  Another lockdown order, and Labour will be toast.
  
  So, despite Jacinda’s choir of Covid advisors calling for measures, my bet is she will ignore them.
  
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  January 5, 2023 2:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How Joe Public is going to get screwed to the wall.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/too-big-to-fail-calls-for-govt-to-guarantee-three-waters-debts/ar-AA15Y0xy
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January 5, 2023 8:39am
- RockyJ
  
  Of course the taxpayer is going to underwrite it. Imagine lending to an organisation where the qualification to be a director is just a knowledge of Tikanga and the ownership is technically not located under directors’ organisations.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:29am
- Nickc2
  
  …… but, but, but, it’s all going to be repealed. YEA, RIGHT!
  I feel it won’t be repealed in total. There are too many fishhooks and we’re dealing with Lawyers, Politicians, Maori Elites, the Judiciary, and of course, our MSM will push whichever side of the narrative rewards them the most.
  IMO, repealing 3Waters won’t be easy.
  However, it must be done for NZ as we know it to survive.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lawyers, Politicians, Maori Elites, the Judiciary, liars, and of course our MSM.
    Fixed it.
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:12am
    - hullkiwi
      
      ….with the collection of troughers and even if repealled, we will see the feeding frenzy continue for years to come.
      
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      January 5, 2023 2:34pm
- Yvette
  
  Several of these Newsroom articles have been about Entity’s ability to borrow but none yet, that I recall, outline how taxpayers will eventually have to pay such loans back – and with interest.
  It may be interesting to know how Government sees that repayment – chunk by chunk
  Let alone underwriting it – all in one chunk?
  
  Sorry about the loose financial terms
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:40am
  - septic skeptic
    
    The taxpayers will fork out $2 to save the ratepayers $1.
    
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    January 5, 2023 1:20pm
MCōs

Sitting here in NZ it’s fascinating to watch to House Republicans attempting to elect a speaker in America.
Last I looked they were up to the fifth round of voting.
The last time the first vote failed, 100 years ago, it required nine ballots over three days to name a speaker. In 1856, the speakership wasn’t resolved until the 133rd ballot.
Trump has endorsed the front runner, but the self serving few holding up his election are also MAGA types. Figure that out.
Here’s a NYT article from the other day.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/02/opinion/kevin-mccarthy-speaker-vote.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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January 5, 2023 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  MC, like weather events there is a precedent somewhere. I am sure the NYT knows that.
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:46am
  - MCōs
    
    Two precedents outlined above.
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:58am
    - Simon
      
      Lol – NYT
      
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      January 5, 2023 9:50am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Morons probably don’t regard the New York Times as being capable of reporting facts from 150 or 100 years ago. They just ‘know’ they should disregard anything printed in such a publication.
        
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        January 5, 2023 10:14am
      - virtualmark
        
        If it’s not owned by Rupert, or written by the Russians, then it’s fake news.
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:26am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Morons probably think the NYT still has a shred of credibility!
        
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        January 5, 2023 4:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A lot of noise about Jim Jordan. I think he is better off where he is now for the US.
  He is a Prosecutor I think.
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:50am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Gym Jordan has an almost perfect background to be a GOP speaker of the HoR.
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe I am wrong Mike. I always saw Jim Jordan as an attack dog prosecutor.
      
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      January 5, 2023 11:15am
    - virtualmark
      
      I see what you did there. Again.
      
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      January 5, 2023 11:24am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Although Jordanis not standing for Speaker. He has been on the ballots, but he gave a speech in the House nominating McCartney.
      The MAGA group nominated him.
      
      The MAGA group run the risk the GOP leadership will do a deal with House Democrats to get a cross-party deal.
      
      This will leave the MAGA group and all their demands isolated & in the cold.
      
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      January 5, 2023 2:44pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        MAGA = Donald Trump, who has endorsed McCarthy.
        
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        January 5, 2023 3:47pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yes Mikey, but the 19 or 20 Republicans voting against McCarthy are claiming they are the MAGA right wing of the GOP. Further, they have a series of demands that nobody will concede to.
        
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        January 5, 2023 6:42pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

And now for something from the ‘Pigs will fly’ desk:

Amnesty urges Ronaldo to speak out over human rights in Saudi Arabia

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/04/amnesty-international-christian-ronaldo-human-rights-saudi-arabia
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January 5, 2023 8:47am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Whoops!
  
  Cristiano Ronaldo mixes up South Africa and Saudi Arabia after Al Nassr move
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-64161433
  
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  January 5, 2023 8:58am
  - PeeJay
    
    I particularly liked all the gossip from the soccer websites that he and his advisors were basically approaching every top club in Europe to get a contract (after trying the same thing in July & August) and they all said nope.
    
    Got to hurt the ego a little (not as much as seeing Leo lift the world cup natch).
    
    Sure the $200m USD annual salary will help though!
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:33am
    - Mike
      
      Perhaps he’ll end up with club in one of the former Portuguese colonies. East Timor or Angola?
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:03pm
kevn

@MC… NYT and paywalled. Good one.
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January 5, 2023 8:48am
- MCōs
  
  A couple of free articles a month for the stingy, I believe.
  Anyway there’s plenty of alternative sites one doesn’t have to pay for.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:04am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Do you want us to read the article that has caught your interest, or not?
    
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    January 5, 2023 9:54am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The circus is currently in its sixth round of voting. the holdup is the dozen or so members who won’t vote for McCarthy because he once didn’t want to shut the government down forever. This fringe group is waiting to see if the democrats will join the majority of the republican majority to elect McCarthy speaker and get on with legislating. As that isn’t going to happen, they will wait for the republicans to vote for their current choice from the fringe, Donalds, which also isn’t going to happen.
      For some of the fringe members, no business in the house is better than passing any law or investigating the Bidens, Clintons, etc.
      
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      January 5, 2023 10:24am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Investigating the Bidens, Clintons, etc, is coming after 2024
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:17am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I sure hope they can start by investigating all those suspicious deaths from the 1990s.
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:37am
    - MCōs
      
      The point is, Al, do you want to read it?
      I found it interesting, but I’m not like one of these bible bashers who comes to the door and insists insists you read their literature.
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:33pm
I remember when

Is the ‘Road to Zero’ being misunderstood as meaning zero traffic deaths.
When, in fact, it means zero traffic (and consequently zero traffic deaths.)
Unless some pedestrians fall over and kill themselves.
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January 5, 2023 8:54am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The road speed limits have been continuously lowered over the last three to four years across the country with more and more every month targeted.
  
  Net result 2022 = 4 year high Q. correlation for death to speed needs to be explained because the narrative does not fit the reality.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:33am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I remember when – don’t give the lunatic ideologues ideas.
  If they thought they could stop all vehicle movements without a revolution and achieve their “Road to Zero” fantasy, they would do it. In a heartbeat. These are not rational people.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am waiting for the day that Waka Coathanger closes the Auckland Harbour Bridge to all traffic except buses. If they have the power they will do it, to show people how good public transport is.//
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:13am
    - hullkiwi
      
      …Waka Cotahanger (Kotanga), that is funny, very good.
      
      You have got it slightly wrong. They will close the bridge to PT (buses), and active mode transport (cycling, walking, and electric scooters).
      
      Everybody else, tough…
      
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      January 5, 2023 3:04pm
Rusty

This global warming has been a nuisance in recent times — in Australia and now NZ.

All that rain water and wind in summer due to the earth getting warmer!

I’m sure the experts get around it by saying global warming only applies when it’s irregularly hot but its
climate change when it’s irregularly cold and wet.
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January 5, 2023 8:55am
- PeeJay
  
  I think that’s why they moved from global warming to the more euphemistic climate change. That way they can squeal ‘climate change’ at virtually any weather event. Heavy snow in winter? Climate change! Hot summer? Climate change. Wet summer? Climate change.
  
  In a way, it’s a very good marketing approach but it does tend to expose the basic deceit and gimmicky nature of the industry.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:37am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @PJ-
    And it is much easier to add emotive words such as “catastrophe “ and “crisis” and “man made” and “world ending” to climate change than it is to the more tame sounding global warming.
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:10am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Weren’t there emails leaked from a university in the UK in which the profs discussed moving away from global warming to climate change because people might become skeptical if they noticed it wasn’t getting warmer?
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:59am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      There are three docos from a Finnish news agency on YT on the subject of “climategate”. They are the best coverage I’ve seen. Penn State Uni (where one of the biggest climate alarmists hails from) of course white washed the whole thing and stamped “nothing to see here” on the incident.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unKZhr3JMhA
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:54pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        climategate on finnish television 2/3:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Clpmt5_8MBg
        
        climategate on finnish television 3/3:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDHbOu7Sq8
        
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        January 5, 2023 5:06pm
  - I remember when
    
    Simply Climate Change.
    
    Keep it Simple.
    
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    January 5, 2023 2:51pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  As for Australia.
  
  At the start of the new year, it is salutary to recall the grand schemes in train to rob us of the energy security that our fathers and grandfathers took for granted. My dad had confidence when he switched on the lights that they would indeed come on. His only concern was that his two children, including me, tended to leave them on when leaving the room.
  
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/painting-the-near-future-in-blackouts-and-green/
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:56am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Indeed Clan M. Australia and many western nations are being led to ruin. Australia COULD be the most prosperous nation on earth by far, but the neomarxist death grip on the institutions means unless there is radical change, Australia is screwed.
    
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    January 5, 2023 8:57pm
103PapPap

Anyone ever noticed that when you cut the balls off a male racehorse (exceedingly common), it’s still not allowed to run in races for fillies and mares?
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January 5, 2023 9:30am
- Inandout
  
  103, reminds me of the early Pope’s choir boys beng castrated to reach higher notes (1599-1878). I do wonder though if the male horses neigh differently when de-balled.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:38am
- Don Beckett
  
  Are you saying that they have had a gender re-assignment ? 😆
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:41am
- NK
  
  Um, yes they are allowed. I have a gelding and a filly and they both race against fillies, mares and geldings. There are set races for fillies and mares only, but also handicap races for mixed sexes.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:51am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s almost as if 103PapPap has no knowledge at all of the sport of kings (and queens).
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:00am
    - kevn
      
      @mma… He should have googled it like you did/would.
      
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      January 5, 2023 3:10pm
  - marcw
    
    “There are set races for fillies and mares only”
    
    I’m sure this is what the original poster meant, but could have included the word ‘only’ to make it clearer.
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:53am
  - I remember when
    
    The handicap system doesn’t seem to recognise the they are all equal facts.
    
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    January 5, 2023 2:54pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    The point being that there are handicap races to account for male biology being real. So much for treating *human* female athletes with such understanding.
    
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    January 5, 2023 5:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder when someone in authority will issue a warning that membership of the Mongrel Mob is bad for your health.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300778140/police-identify-body-found-on-remote-farm-as-55yearold-christchurch-man
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January 5, 2023 9:38am
- Ghost
  
  Seems to be a few gang hits going on
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:43am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Good. Hope they all knock themselves out, figuratively and literally.
    
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    January 5, 2023 5:30pm
- Clyde
  
  No doubt the MSM will seek out a few rellies or cuzzies to say this person was a kind loving family man who was incredibly generous to those less wealthy than himself. Others will know the truth. We all know that gangs are nothing other than scum or vermin – except those that rely on their votes of course, or those that have not succeeded in wiping them out.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:26am
- cmm
  
  Apparently they don’t know what he died of yet.
  
  I suspect it is obvious: he died of being a scumbag gang member.
  
  I hope they don’t expend too many resources trying to figure it out. We need the coronal and policing resources elsewhere.
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:16pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Died of Covid??
    
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    January 5, 2023 3:36pm
    - Ghost
      
      Monkey pox?
      
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      January 5, 2023 3:44pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Colonisation, of course. White mans gun shoots innocent brown gang man who was not stealing from/raping/murdering/doping someone…
        
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        January 5, 2023 5:34pm
Benedict Yu

The pink haired terror wants every arrival to New Zealand to be tested for COVID. What are we supposed to do with the positive arrivals? Put them into quarantine?

Her proposal would achieve nothing and cost the country billions as people stayed away. Just when the tourism industry is back on its feet she wants to kill it.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/01/new-zealand-experts-worried-as-evasive-covid-19-super-variant-makes-waves-in-us.html
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January 5, 2023 9:45am
- Simon
  
  Test for BMI would be much better and useful.
  
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  January 5, 2023 9:52am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Obesity kills way more people than covid, is far more treatable, and far more expensive to country (fat bastards sitting around on benefits don’t pay taxes and use a lot of health system resources).
    
    If the govt was all gung ho to lock people up against their will for covid for the good of all, then they should be happy to put whales in fat camps for a couple of months.
    
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    January 5, 2023 10:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – the pink nightmare is simply trying to relevance and possibly income. She knows all credibility is gone. It’s the grasping at straws of a pandemicist in the death throes.
  There will be a lot of that over the next 6 months or so.
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:00am
- Stellaboxer
  
  I’m not sure how a phd in bioluminescence becomes an expert in epidemiology or communicable diseases. Our media is beneath contempt.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:06am
  - septic skeptic
    
    When she chose to defend governments performance over the DJ/MIQ cockup that resulted in him having covid on Waiheke (iirc), she said at the time it was probable that he caught this overseas – rather than in MIQ. Because that latest variant “can have a longer incubation period”. At the time every epidemiologist, amateur epidemiologist and moderately well informed citizen would have known the incubation period was SHORTER. So I conclude she is either:
    1. a halfwit or
    2. a liar.
    
    I tend towards 2, but she could well be both.
    
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    January 5, 2023 1:37pm
- Pavel
  
  Gotta laugh when they say this new strain is evasive. All covid strains have been evasive so far, the vaccine hasn’t stopped anyone getting it.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    evasive … a posh way of saying tricky.
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/what-makes-covid-19-a-tricky-virus
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:22pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      Evasive means the vaccines aren’t working. Tricky means MIQ isn’t working.
      
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      January 5, 2023 1:40pm
    - cmm
      
      tricky… a dumbed down way of saying evasive.
      
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      January 5, 2023 3:11pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Listening to talk back the government are getting hammered, and especially the PM , most saying they have given up, things like close the country for 2 cases, ruined the country with covid now it doesn’t matter, yet no sign of the whicked witch, but she is getting the blame
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:16am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Leave her alone, she is on holiday busy planning The Wedding Part II ™️.
    
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    January 5, 2023 5:39pm
Surely Knott

Great discussion from Bill Maher (major USA tv talk show host). Says “Front page of the NYTimes this week, there’s a new voting block. Mostly parents. These are not people who are going to vote based on Republican or Democrat. They’re going to vote based on covid policy and I’m one of them and I don’t even have kids. It’s a medical issue. I don’t want to be dictated to. There is no “the science” especially in medical science. You can recommend whatever you like but i must insist you don’t insist how i handle my health. Obama said to me “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” and I did and I do. But doctors say very different things but doctors were afraid to speak out, and I want to listen to the ones who are afraid to speak out ”
“This is one area that Democrat party is really really weak on is the freedom topic, the freedom of speech issue. ”

What does this mean in NZ I wonder as the narrative changes and liberals, libertarian and conservative party all supported mandates and press bullying much more severe and comprehensive than anything the USA saw.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1610728879710404609
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January 5, 2023 9:49am
Tasman devil

Chad Puru was convicted of raping a 13 year old girl.

His death is a “tragedy.”

Some upside as one less vote for the Prime Muppet, Miss Piggy, etc.

No doubt te media will come out with the usual drivel such as “he was a rough diamond but had a big heart.”
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January 5, 2023 10:16am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Te Media – I like that !
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:36am
- Jack5
  
  I read that Puru was the former president of the Mongrel Mob in Christchurch.
  
  Meanwhile, is my recollection right that on State TV last night police were unfavourably depicted for their technique in the arrest of a teenager? A teenager whose family is big in gang land?
  
  We will likely get more of this criminal-friendly stuff under Wily-Willie Jackson’s State TV-State radio merger.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    It seems that 2019 PR job about Mongrel Mobsters turning over new leaves isn’t ageing well.
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:40am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not quite. Ex Stuff:
  
  The first trial on the charge of rape ended with a hung jury. Prior to the retrial,
  
  ‘Puru pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a girl aged between 12 and 16 and was sentenced to two years’ jail. He was given leave to apply for home detention.’
  
  Interestingly, the Mob effectively made him stand down as Chapter President. The law gave him two year’s Home D.
  
  Guess which one he found to be the tougher penalty.
  
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  January 5, 2023 1:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/raising-25k-for-the-stop-co-governance-nz-road-tour-update-5th-january-2023/
What you can do to help: At the end there are the three Treaty Articles. Very simple to understand. I don’t know how so much shit can be extracted from these three Articles.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/5-things-you-can-do-1.pdf
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January 5, 2023 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I just saw this from an email on Stop Co-Governance yesterday.
The BFD: New Zealand’s Tragedy: The Ardern Government
Never Again Should New Zealanders Trust Labour. Guest post by Jim Gable posted Dec 19th. Look at the photo. I see a very angry Tyrant.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/12/19/new-zealands-tragedy-the-ardern-govt/
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January 5, 2023 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jim Cable*
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:30am
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… Can’t argue with any of that.
  Now, the 50% who seem immune to commonsense?
  
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  January 5, 2023 10:52am
- mikenmildagain
  
  This Cable guy seems to think the present government are communists.
  
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  January 5, 2023 11:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Definitely marxist ideology
    
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    January 5, 2023 11:17am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Same basic ideology as National, Greens, Act & NZ First
      
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      January 5, 2023 1:07pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Utter bullshit
        
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        January 5, 2023 1:43pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Lies with an icing layer of BS.
        
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        January 5, 2023 9:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are trying hard.
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:30pm
Alex

Otto Jim Cable excellent, Graham Adams has done one on Managed Retreat. Obviously Ardern’s retreat if only it was permanent .
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January 5, 2023 11:26am
Inandout

This unpixelating of videos must surely be a breakthrough when dealing with human trash like this guy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11599137/Evil-child-rapist-jailed-life-unmasked-new-technology.html
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January 5, 2023 11:32am
Alex

Russians admitting to 89 dead in Makdivka. What do they expect with good intelligence on Ukrainian Side. Soldiers in unprotected building next to ammunition storage.
Blaming one of them for using cell phone.
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January 5, 2023 11:35am
Alex

Girkin the Russian blogger blaming generals for .biggest Ukrainian hit yet on New Years Day in Donetsk Region.
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January 5, 2023 11:40am
Alex

Progozhin leader of Vagner mercenaries has lost 6;Russian ex prisoners whom he recruited who have fled from his Training camp.
No honour among thieves!
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January 5, 2023 11:45am
ClanMcleod

I posted this late last night and said I would post here today as it would be missed by most.

It’s a story re the measles outbreak in Samoa a few years ago. That story was used to pump the covid fear porn here and drive the vaccine narrative.

It makes for disturbing reading. If true, the implications are significant and worrying.

For those still up and about, have an early read. Let me know your thoughts.

Before Christmas Paula Jardine reported for TCW on the strange case of the South Pacific island nation of Samoa’s 2019 ‘lockdown’ and compulsory mass measles vaccination programme over a period which saw the deaths of 76 under-fives. Since then she has interviewed the Samoan businessman Edwin Tamasese who reported widespread measles outbreaks six to seven days post-vaccination, and who was subsequently arrested for distributing the Vitamin A the children needed to cope with either the vaccine or a measles infection. As Paula explained in her previous article, the high mortality was more likely to be due to a combination of malnutrition and an under-attenuated vaccine – that is, a vaccine where the virus had not been sufficiently weakened before being administered, as opposed to the disease itself. Here she reports Edwin Tamasese’s story.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vaccines-and-the-suffering-children-of-samoa/

I remember this outbreak and how the “anti vaxxers” were blamed for causing hesitancy around other jabs.

For me personally, the vaccine story is evolving like the “climate crisis” story.

Prior to covid, I didn’t really have a pro or anti position about either narrative. I was fully jabbed for every other vaccine. I live off grid, doing my bit for 20 years to be a dutiful citizen and help “save the planet.” I didn’t question anything. I was a fairly staunch “leftie” Labour supporter.

I was curious about those who steadfastly refused to have any vaccinations and thought them a little odd. No longer.
I was curious about those who seemed so angry at the climate change protesters. No longer.
I abandoned Labour like a bucket of cold sick within weeks of Ardern becoming leader.

The parallels in the two narratives are striking.

I read someone this morning who stated it well for me. I’ll try and dig it out and post it later.
The point they made is that the bs climate change narrative has been evolving over decades. It’s slowly built into this nightmare “carbon zero.”

The bs covid narrative is like watching the same thing, only this time using time lapse photography which has speeded the process up.
This might have been the biggest mistake as it’s exposed so much and caused many people to ask inconvenient questions.

More popcorn needed. 2023 is going to be a very interesting year. Ideologies are colliding. Truth will be the winner.
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January 5, 2023 11:53am
- Mike
  
  That’s full noise anti-vaxxer nonsense. Seems like those folk have moved on from ‘MMR causes autism’ to ‘MMR causes measles’.😅
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:10pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Mike – which part is “anti vaxxer nonsense” and why? I’m keen to hear opinions with some rational evidence to support it. I can understand skepticism. As I said, I was formerly fully onboard with all vaccinations, but after 3 years of lies, coercion and bullying I’m starting to ask questions.
    Please tell me how you arrived at your position. What was said that is wrong and why?
    
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    January 5, 2023 1:46pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      RFK Jr has been the (almost) original antivaxxer since Andrew Wakefield’s infamous 1995 Lancet article. Taylor Winterstein and Edwin Tamasese are two of RJK Jr’s disciples particularly active in Samoa.
      
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      January 5, 2023 1:58pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I didn’t ask for where they went to school. I asked if anyone had anything useful to say to read the article and tell me which parts are wrong, why, and with at least a semblance of something akin to evidence to back that position up.
        I’ve had enough derision, snorting, smearing and ad hominem over covid in the last three years to last me a lifetime. It really is water off a duck’s back.
        
        If you can’t respond with anything other than what mounts to accusations of “misinformation” or smearing of the source then don’t waste your time.
        There was probably a period when you could get away with that as a valid viewpoint, no longer. It’s been overdone during covid to the point that the majority of rational thinking people can spot it a mile away.
        Gaslighting and deflection 1o1.
        
        Try again. I would really prefer actual discussion and debate rather than sarcasm and ridicule. But you invite it with a gold plated invitation almost every comment you make. Try adult conversation. Give up ad hominem. If they are snakeoil salesmen then prove it.
        
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        January 5, 2023 2:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        I’ve got a lot of respect for Robert. His story on how he got involved in the vaccine cases and why he actually wasn’t interested in representing them, then how the parents convinced him, his uncle and dad would be proud of him.
        
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        January 5, 2023 2:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Vaccines don’t cause autism, and the MMR vaccines does not cause measles, mumps or rubella. To argue otherwise is the next step toward becoming a 9/11 ‘truther’, believing the Apollo missions were faked, or that the earth is hollow, (or flat), etc.
        Not being happy with mRNA vaccines for covid-19 is not a great basis for embracing any pseudoscientific theory because it is outside the despised mainstream.
        
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        January 5, 2023 2:45pm
      - Ghost
        
        one of the important things that Robert achieved was finding out that the US department of health and humans services had been disregarding the law and for 32 years had no vaccine safety reports filed. Also done more for the environment than you could ever dream of doing.
        
        You are a joke who can’t debate anything without trying to murky the water up by claiming 9-11 and moon shit and flat earth. Pathetic
        
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        January 5, 2023 11:31pm
    - General
      
      Cause Unknown
      The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022
      Part of Children’s Health Defense
      By Ed Dowd
      Afterword by Gavin de Becker / Foreword by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
      
      Gavin de Beckers (who encouraged Ed to write it) resume
      
      In the 1980s, together with the United States Marshals Service, de Becker co-designed the MOSAIC Threat Assessment Systems, which is used to screen threats to justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, members of United States Congress, and senior officials of the Central Intelligence Agency. Los Angeles County Law enforcement agencies adopted MOSAIC in 1997 to help police manage and reduce spousal abuse cases that might escalate to homicide.
      
      In 1983, he investigated a stalker for Olivia Newton-John, Sheena Easton, and Cher. He also provided his services to celebrities like Richard Burton, Dolly Parton, Jane Fonda, Joan Rivers, Victoria Principal, Tina Turner, and John Travolta.
      
      He was twice appointed to the President’s Advisory Board at the United States Department of Justice, in 1982 and 1989, and he served two terms on the Governor’s Advisory Board at the California Department of Mental Health.[citation needed]
      
      He has also served as an advisor for the anti-bullying resource Bystander Revolution, senior advisor to the Rand Corporation, and senior fellow at UCLA’s School of Public Policy.
      
      De Becker has shared his philosophies about prevention of violence in several appearances on The Oprah Winfrey Show, 60 Minutes, Larry King Live, 20/20, The Jordan Harbinger Show, and Sam Harris’s podcast, Waking Up. He has also been profiled in Time and Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, and others. De Becker’s first book, The Gift of Fear, published in 1997, was a US number 1 on The New York Times Bestseller List
      
      Also in 1997, his firm was hired by Bill Cosby to investigate the murder of his son, Ennis, and the threatening letters his family received after the slaying
      
      In 1999–2000, he assisted the United States Secret Service in the development of its guide for Protective Intelligence and Threat Assessment Investigations.
      
      In 2008, Oprah Winfrey dedicated a show to commemorate the ten-year anniversary of the publication of The Gift of Fear. In the last year of her show, she dedicated two hour-long shows to de Becker’s work in domestic violence.
      
      In March 2019, de Becker, who has worked for Jeff Bezos, accused the Saudi Arabian government of hacking Bezos’ phone after the National Enquirer published a story about Bezos’s extramarital affair
      
      De Becker advised the Los Angeles County District Attorney in the prosecution of Robert Bardo, the murderer of actress Rebecca Schaeffer, and was a consultant on the prosecution of O.J. Simpson
      
      Mike is a miserable internet troll in denial of reality about a lot of things. He’s a disgrace. You’re fair minded, honest and curious. Rare quality (This blog is not a reflection of NZ, most here think for themselves)
      
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      January 5, 2023 3:52pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Thank you.
        
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        January 6, 2023 6:55am
- cmm
  
  Clan, here’s the big question:
  Have you seen the light or will you be going back to Labour when Cindy leaves?
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:18pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    cmm – good question, I would have to say I’m not overly enthused by Luxon and National and in particular, Chris “jab harder” Bishop’s refusal to admit he got it wrong.
    However, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of me voting for Labour in the current form. There isn’t one of their MPs who I have any respect for. Same with the Greens.
    Back in the day when Janette and Rod led that party they actually stood for things they believed in and their sandal wearing mung bean eating supporters were relatively harmless. The current “woke”, ideological morons who now sit in parliament are terrifying.
    
    ACT give me some hope, but again, their covid response wasn’t a lot better than every other party in the Beehive. I’ve said before, the fact that not one out of 120 MPs spoke for the hundreds of thousands of NZers who opposed mandates and lockdowns is very concerning. The protesters at Wellington had over 30% support among the general population.
    I didn’t know that when I went there, but it was comforting to find out later. The number is almost certainly higher now.
    The fact that Winnie is the one who has recognised this and is likely to take advantage of it makes me wonder why National didn’t see this?
    
    But then I don’t think like a politician. They are all about focus groups and pragmatism.
    I can vow without a shred of doubt that my mission this year will be to do whatever it takes to remove the Labour Party and as much of the Greens and Maori Party as possible. Until they have people leading and driving policy who do so for ALL Nzers. White, brown, black or yellow. Jabbed or unjabbed.
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:35pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It must feel pretty bad that your political views are not represented by any party with a hope of receiving over 2% of the party vote.
      
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      January 5, 2023 1:06pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It’s only concerning in that it appears that democracy is failing in NZ, when 30% of the population can’t get 1 out of 120 parliamentary “representatives” to speak on their behalf.
        
        I wouldn’t rule out Winnie btw. He’s as cunning as a shit house rat. Oh, and when you and the other libtards are trying to figure out why the rise in populism around the globe, you’ve got your answer. If you ignore a substantial segment of the population someone will fill the vacuum.
        
        Be careful what you wish for milky.
        
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        January 5, 2023 1:50pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I too would not write off Peters, Clan Mclod. He’s younger that Joe Biden, Donald Trump or Nancy Pelosi. He could probably command a core 3-4% support from over over-80s and then pivot to embrace the 80-90,000 voters who were split in 2020 between New Conservative, Advance, Vision NZ, Outdoors and TEA.
        
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        January 5, 2023 2:53pm
    - General
      
      Matt King was the only one
      https://democracynz.org/
      
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      January 5, 2023 3:44pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I am subscribed to his group and following.
        
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        January 6, 2023 6:58am
  - kevn
    
    @mma… You really need to throw your info/data net wider and get to grips with it.
    
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    January 5, 2023 3:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Holiday time has ended for some folks.

Hamilton’s Dairy-robbing thugs are back on the job.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/01/05/hamilton-dairy-owner-assaulted-held-at-gunpoint-in-robbery/
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January 5, 2023 12:05pm
- Swifty
  
  I see the Glangarry in Mt Eden has been ramraided three separate times since just before Xmas.
  
  As the proprietor said “This is not the New Zealand I grew up in.”
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:23pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Not to worry MW – they only “allegedly” robbed the dairy and held the owner/employee at gunpoint.
  Gotta be proved yet, eh.
  Might have been water pistol – in which case the courts will claim this was a huge over reaction coz – colonisation and vulnerable people…
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:50pm
zulumonster

Karel Sroubek to be deported in March – why does it take so long? Did they have to come to an arrangement for him not to disclose any potentially damaging information regarding his associates?
Next announcement on Kim Dotcom to be deported in 2025 …
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January 5, 2023 12:08pm
- kevn
  
  @zulu… Must have been a sweet deal. 3 months and who knows what else. Few dollars, flights, new id to keep his gob shut.
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jan 6th. Is Trump a hero?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n5bcqTbGZqI
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January 5, 2023 12:17pm
- Don Beckett
  
  There is no doubt of Trump’s achievements – despite his personal flaws – and the USA would be in a much better place today if he had not been “defeated” in the election .
  
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  January 5, 2023 1:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah Don. Seems “defeated” is somethings that the left,
    Oh never mind, we all know.
    
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    January 5, 2023 5:12pm
Gravelroad

Hey Steve Otto (North Shore):
I see advertised that there is a new film out titled “A Man Called Otto”.
It is about a “grumpy middle aged man living in a suburban neighbourhood”.
You kept that quiet.
Is it entertaining? Should I save up my pocket money and go see it?
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January 5, 2023 12:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have seen the shorts. Looks like some fun.
  I posted here the other day. “I almost hit the car” “It’s all right, it’s a hybrid”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYUX9l-m5I
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:36pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Is there any violence, nudity or sex scenes in it?
    U happy with Tom Hanks in lead role?
    
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    January 5, 2023 12:44pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dunno.
      
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      January 5, 2023 12:48pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Steve.
        Seems like Gravel needs advice re violence, nudity or sex scenes — otherwise he’s not gonna watch it. 😆
        
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        January 5, 2023 1:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Don.
        Can always ignore it like wwww,porn whatever.
        
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        January 5, 2023 5:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will Torrent it.
  
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  January 5, 2023 12:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s a remake of a very good Swedish (?) book and film – A Man Called Ove.
  
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  January 5, 2023 1:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot. It’s all over for some.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcGY6qVbK4k
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January 5, 2023 12:46pm
Rusty

What is Prince ‘Ginger’ Harry all about?

Recently he has been saying he would like a reconciliation with his Father and Brother right in the middle of a Netflix series trashing the royal institution and an upcoming book which is probably more of the same.

He can’t have it both ways.

I used to have a bit of sympathy for him and was under the impression conniving B Grade tv actor Meghan Markle led him astray but he is no better
than her.

I predict they will break up by the end of the year and will turn on one another.
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January 5, 2023 1:00pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I suspect what he actually means is he wants his family to reconcile with him, not he with his family.
  
  The first step towards reconciliation is repentance. The offender must be willing to confess the transgression and acknowledge the pain it caused the offended.
  
  He wants his family to admit they are wrong and he is right. He is seriously deluded if he thinks the path to any reconciliation is through the ongoing public airing of his dirty laundry.
  
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  January 5, 2023 1:32pm
  - greybeard
    
    I am not surprised by his actions.
    He knows he is not of the royal family: his mother and father were both commoners.
    
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    January 5, 2023 3:10pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    This loser Harry now alleges in his book that his brother William attacked him and broke his necklace.
    Then the poor lad landed in the dog’s dish.
    Poor dog – bet that tainted the water.
    
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    January 5, 2023 3:15pm
    - Colville
      
      Imagine that a couple of brothers having a tussle.
      
      I could include the fist fights I had with my older brother in my book but it would stretch it to a hepatology.
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:02pm
    - Ghost
      
      Couldn’t have hit him hard enough, Harry’s still need a good slap
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:09pm
- MCōs
  
  Send you suggested storylines off to any old tabloid newspapers and it’ll be reported as fact before you know it.
  
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  January 5, 2023 1:41pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I agree, she is like a skin cancer. It’ll grow until he realises it needs to be excised to save his life.
  
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  January 5, 2023 2:02pm
- Ehlana
  
  He’s doing a good job of rehabilitating his father’s public image. All Charles has to do is say nothing and the more Harry mouths off, the better the monarch looks.
  
  Those reporters who watched all 6 hours of the Harry and Meghan series must have made some serious inroads into repenting for their sins.
  
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  January 5, 2023 2:20pm
- cmm
  
  Perhaps he’s trying to set up another deal with Netflix:
  
  Royals season 2: The reunification.
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:05pm
- mogg
  
  Always complain always explain.
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So, is this where NZ is heading, stifling free speech?
You just know that is what Jaspinda wants. Showing her true colours. This can’t be good for us.
https://rossduhboss.com/ukraines-zelensky-signs-anti-free-speech-law-tightens-control-over-media
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January 5, 2023 2:24pm
- cmm
  
  What??? Even more media controls in Ukraine?
  
  Some suppression of free speech is warranted during a war for national security interests, but Zelenski has already taken things far further than that. Before the war started he was already shutting down opposition for his own personal gains.
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yip, yip, that is what it is.
    
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    January 5, 2023 5:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fetterman Sworn in?
I swear, I don’t know how the Democrats can do this with a clear conscience.
Win at all costs. How is the man supposed to do his job with a brain injury? He can barely speak! As Carson says ‘there is something pretty dark about the Democrat Party. To me it is cruel, same as Joe Biden. Puppets of the Elite.
https://rossduhboss.com/video-john-fetterman-stares-around-blankly-looks-lost-during-swearing-in-ceremony
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January 5, 2023 2:33pm
- cmm
  
  What is that yellow bangle he’s wearing?
  
  “If found please return to the Democratic Party…”
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Wait till ‘Jew-ish’ George Santos is sworn in as a representative. Although that particular comedy turn will need to wait until the republicans agree that there can be any other business than quarrelling among themselves about who gets to be speaker.
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Well, well, well. I have said Trump’s Tax returns would be bait. The left have been ecstatic about obtaining them. It was all Trump’s 3D Chess.
“This precedent must now be applied to the corrupt Democrats themselves. The new Republican House should immediately obtain the financial records of Joe Biden and his entire criminal enterprise, because that’s exactly what it is. Biden is a corrupt politician who spent years selling America out all over the world including to Communist China. Just take a look at his accounts, take a look at all his homes, and take a look at what his son Hunter has contributed to the family,” the former President said.
https://rossduhboss.com/criminal-enterprise-trump-expects-gop-house-to-get-bidens-financial-records
Trump 2024.
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January 5, 2023 2:46pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Is that a new website you have discovered, Steve?
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nah Mike. It is one of those places that Batman warned me about.
    Batman already knew of these websites, you know that.
    BTW where is “BATMAN?”
    
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    January 5, 2023 5:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This may help Labout with their counting disabilities and that dam roving decimal point. Count dollars to a million – how long? Then count to a billion – how long?
Trillions? Best we don’t go there, although basic math will tell you.
https://spreely.video/v/2951611280/The-People-In-Charge-Just-Proved-They-Do-Not-Give-A-Sh-t-About-You–Check-This-Out
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January 5, 2023 3:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour* ffs
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:03pm
ClanMcleod

The NFL player Damar Hamlin had a heart attack during a game the other night. Unfortunately due to the lies and censorship by many governments around covid and the “vaccines” there was speculation around what happened to him and that it was the “vaccine.”

I certainly didn’t do so and I didn’t see anyone else on KB do so either.
There was a firm comment from one person that he definitely died due to Commotio Cordis, the media had said so. My response was simply that it was impossible for anyone to know until tests and checks were carried out.

Here is the best post you will read on it from Robert W Malone. It is measured, non emotive and rational.

Cardiac Arrest in Athletes
What is known and knowable

I have been asked to speculate about the cardiac arrest suffered by Damar Hamlin. First off, I truly believe that giving his physicians and trainers space to work professionally is critical: we need to allow them to do the tests, diagnostics and whatever procedures need to be performed outside of the glare of corporate media AND internet armchair physicians.

Likewise, his family deserves privacy. I know what it is like to have the press and the public think that they are entitled to know about every aspect of a public person’s life. To be put under the microscope. For these reasons, I have refrained from making comments on social media until today.

First, I think it is irresponsible for the state-sponsored press to be declaring that this was not due in some part to a vaccine injury this early in the game. Because we don’t know, no one does – not even his physicians. I speculate that assuming he got vaccinated and boosted is probably a reasonable inference, given it is the policy of his team that there is 100% compliance with COVID vaccine mandates. The corporate press getting in and attempting to skew the public opinion is a despicable move, but typical.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/cardiac-arrest-in-athletes

It’s an outstanding article and is written without the bullshit that comes from the “pro” and “anti” vaccine camps. This is a direct result of the attempt by government and media to suppress any public debate.
Young athletes, professional and amateur ARE dying in unprecedented numbers. Something is causing it and it’s best we find out why. The only way to do so is through open and honest dialogue, not by people screaming at each other.
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January 5, 2023 3:09pm
- kevn
  
  @clan… Question is… will mma read malone?
  He has blinkers on.
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:21pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kevn – he reads little and comprehends less. It’s sad.
    
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    January 5, 2023 3:32pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    William Malone’s diaries No Better Death are a good read.
    
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    January 5, 2023 4:05pm
    - kevn
      
      @Clan… See. He has shown us.
      Without using google mma would have nothing.
      
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      January 5, 2023 4:18pm
- Steve Todd
  
  There was a firm comment from one person that he definitely died due to Commotio Cordis, the media had said so.
  
  The only reference to commotio cordis so far was made by krazykiwi, here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/01/general_debate_04_january_2023.html#comment-3298291, in response to a typically cavalier comment by G the giant from Dunedin.
  
  I just wish to point out that krazykiwi did not say that Damar Hamlin “definitely died due to commotio cordis” (nor did G the giant), nor had “the media”.
  
  As at early this afternoon, Hamlin was showing “signs of improvement”. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/01/04/damar-hamlin-updates-improvement/.
  
  It was particularly remiss of you to express yourself so carelessly. Although you come across as increasingly fanatical on the subject of Covid vaccinations, I haven’t previously noticed you letting yourself down this badly.
  
  Something to keep an eye on in future, I would suggest.
  
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  January 5, 2023 6:07pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sudden cardiac arrest is the leading cause of death for young athletes. I believe this has been well known since the 1930s.
    
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    January 5, 2023 6:27pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      milky – you are correct.
      
      However, over a 38 year period there were 1,101 sudden cardiac deaths in athletes under 35. That’s around 29 per year.
      In the two years since the rollout of the vaccine there have been 1,114. I’m sure you can do the maths for yourself and at least agree there is something going on?
      
      Correlation is not causation, but this is an alarming signal that should, at the very least, see the programme suspended. Particularly for those under 50. They should not be resumed until a very thorough investigation has taken place.
      
      >blockquote>In 2006 the University Hospital of Lausanne, Switzerland, looked at sudden cardiac death in athletes under 35 years old. They found 1,101 cases over a period of 38 years. The site goodsciencing.com reported that by December 2022, 1,616 athletes had suffered cardiac arrests since their Covid injections and that 1,114 of them were dead, despite immediately being attended to by first responders and qualified first-aiders.
      
      There is further evidence of great concern in the below article.
      
      The CEO of insurance company OneAmerica brought this alarming trend to our attention in 2022 when he disclosed that during the third and fourth quarters of 2021 death in the 18-64 age group was 40 per cent higher than before the pandemic. Significantly, most deaths were not attributed to Covid. ‘It was an earth-shaking statistic,’ said Dowd. ‘Ten per cent would have been a 1-in-200-year event.’
      
      Covid is not a significant cause of death in young people so what caused the shift in deaths from older to younger?
      
      Insurance companies do dollars, not politics. Insurance companies are only interested in the odds of having to pay out. They crunch the numbers in a cold, calculating way.
      
      Have a read. As usual, I welcome rational criticism.
      
      https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/sally-beck-wall-street-executive-edward-dowd/
      
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      January 6, 2023 8:03am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Steve Todd – did you hire Colombo or Kojak for that astonishing piece of detective work? Either way, ask for a refund. It’s a pretty shit “gotcha” moment.
    
    The only VERBATIM use of the term commotio cordis was indeed by KK. He was replying to G the Giant who had said:
    
    His cardiac arrest was caused by the impact he received, end of
    
    krazykiwi responded with the correct term that G was obviously implying. It was a simple act of clarification.
    
    You are referring to commotio cordis which is a heart attack caused by the heart receiving a massive direct shock at a key point in the cardiac cycle. It is VERY rare, occurring ~20 times a year in the US and almost always in pre-teen or teen boys who are struck with a baseball or hockey puck.
    
    G the giant from Dunedin confirmed this:
    
    I have been watching the us news for hours, yes that’s what they called it, but they said it was common in pre teens, but css as n (sic) happen to anyone, the angle, timing of the heart beat, and the impact can cause it for anyone, not just sports, it has nothing to do with the bloody vaccine
    
    I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone with basic comprehension skills that while KK clarified the term, it was G the giant who claimed that CC had caused the heart attack. It’s also should be obvious to anyone with very basic comprehension skills that it is what I was saying in my post which you decided was a major faux pas on my part.
    
    Someone has made themselves look pathetic and grasping. Hint, it wasn’t me.
    
    BTW, if you think I am “fanatical” about the greatest medical fuck up in history, and I include thalidomide in that, then I’ll wear it.
    
    2/10 for effort though. You had to look up at least 3 links all on your own………//
    
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    January 6, 2023 7:36am
    - Steve Todd
      
      ClanMcleod: Exactly the response I was expecting from you. You’re one of many Kiwiblog commenters who cannot tolerate being disagreed with or told they’re wrong.
      
      Your angry response failed to address my criticism. Read the italicised introduction to my comment again. You said krazykiwi said that Damar Hamlin “definitely died due to Commotio Cordis, the media had said so.” That is simply not true.
      
      I don’t disagree with your recitation of the exchange between G the giant and krazykiwi, but I didn’t comment on that. I commented on your false characterisation of what krazykiwi had said. I said you were careless because Hamlin is in fact in hospital fighting for his life!
      
      Who’s the one who looks pathetic now? Hint, it isn’t me.
      
      Oh, I give your rabid response zero out of 10.
      
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      January 6, 2023 9:17am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jesus H Christ. Someone has told the US about 3 Waters!
There has been a Doco on AlJazeera about water, ‘Lords of Water’ Control of water is control of the people. Willie Jackson knows this.
Back to US:
https://libertyonenews.com/huge-land-grab-ahead-biden-used-epa-to-become-king-of-puddles-and-ditches/
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January 5, 2023 3:12pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  There was a doco on TVNZ on demand called Lords of water.
  
  Showed what has happened in UK/US and Aus
  
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  January 5, 2023 4:58pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Wasn’t that about the privatisation of public utilities?
    
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    January 5, 2023 6:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cleaning up Twitter. It is 58 minutes, save the URL. FBI, Hunter’s laptop, Democrat corruption.
Fuck, I hope he does not expose anyone who has shit on Killary.
https://spreely.app/vodcast/rossduhboss/
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January 5, 2023 3:18pm
Hugh Jarse

Interesting article in the Herald stating that “ from 2015 until October 2022 213 Police staff faced 274 charges arising from 207 “incidents”. Of those 274 charges, 82 convictions were recorded, 157 were discharged, dismissed, withdrawn or acquitted after a trial before a jury or judge alone”, so tested in court and found wanting. Around a 35 % conviction rate. A very poor success rate and I would say indicative of Police fitting up their own regardless of the strength of the evidence. No wonder they have trust issues.
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January 5, 2023 3:21pm
- Ehlana
  
  It would suggest that cases against Police are more likely to be tested in Court. That might be a good thing for public confidence in the probity of the Police – if the evidence has been heard and found wanting by independent judges and juries, the Police cannot be accused of protecting their own.
  It’s undoubtedly unpleasant for Police officers and their families, but is there an alternative?
  
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  January 5, 2023 3:46pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It seems like a heads-I-win, tails-you-lose proposition.
    High numbers of prosecutions = corrupt
    High numbers of acquittals = also corrupt, but only the police ‘management’
    
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    January 5, 2023 4:08pm
ClanMcleod

Sweden got it right.

Between January 2020 and July 2022 (blue dots), Sweden’s age-standardised mortality rate was 4% lower than the five-year average. By contrast, Iceland’s was 3.9% lower, Denmark’s was 2.8% lower and Finland’s was 1.7% lower. This means that Sweden did better than three out of four other Nordics.

In the summer of 2020, Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said, “Judge me in a year”. One year later, Sweden’s excess mortality was below the European average. We can now judge him again, more than two years later: Sweden’s excess mortality is the second lowest in Europe. On top of that, Sweden saw the second smallest increase in national debt of all European countries.

Tegnell got it right, and his critics got it wrong.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/04/sweden-did-better-than-its-neighbours/
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January 5, 2023 3:54pm
- Cinematic
  
  Yes, but I’m sure Wayne Mapp will be along shortly to correct you…
  
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  January 5, 2023 6:55pm
Chris Nisbet

I’ve just read that bakers are looking at importing egg whites due to the destruction of the local egg supply because of the ban on battery hens. I presume these imported egg whites are only affordable because they come from battery hen eggs, so the only reasonable response from our govt should be to ban imports of all eggs and products derived from them if they come from battery hens. Yes? Or are they really only interested in wrecking the egg market in NZ?
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I wonder what the govt (I gather it was a National-led one) expected to happen to the market after making this law change. Did they expect the situation we’re in right now? Are they congratulating themselves on a job well done?
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January 5, 2023 3:54pm
- MCōs
  
  A lot of people misunderstand the new regulations, which were brought in ten years ago as an animal welfare measure.
  The lay of the land has altered considerably in the interim. Particularly as a result of the Ukraine war.
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/rules-and-invasion-hit-egg-producers
  
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  January 5, 2023 4:23pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    “Lay of the land”. You’re funny.
    
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    January 5, 2023 4:35pm
  - Taieri
    
    Particularly as a result of the Ukraine war.
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    Chooks stopped laying eggs due to the Ukraine war?
    Amazing!
    
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    January 5, 2023 6:53pm
    - Ghost
      
      The chicken saw this video and we’re worried what the naked president would do to them so stopped laying
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8dSNKVdlgs
      
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      January 5, 2023 6:56pm
- kowtow
  
  National , better managers ………
  
  …….yeah right.
  
  Animal welfare before human’s.
  
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  January 5, 2023 5:17pm
kevn

@Chris… book book book = no eggs today.
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January 5, 2023 5:09pm
Ghost

A prediction, the current pope will die this year
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