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Captain Mainwaring

“C’mon Cindy, you need to make a decision about how to deal with visitors from China.”
“Leave me alone, I’m on holiday.”
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January 3, 2023 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m not slow off the mark given an opportunity to criticise Ardern, but does anyone still believe closing borders to ‘at risk’ peoples has any merit? BTW, New Zealand’s Covid death rate is currently 260x that of China.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:13am
  - Im Right
    
    C’mon CrazyKiwi….do you really believe China ever gives out truthful numbers, rest of the worlds ‘experts’ think it’s about 9000 a day dying in China, but one thing’s for certain, the number they give as official will be nothing of the sort!
    Not unlike North Korea saying they had no Covid infections.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:18am
    - Surely Knott
      
      Do you thinks NZ stats are any better. Remember the year they told us all the people who were dying of covid when in fact it was people who died of any cause within 28 days of a positive test. And where do NZ get their stats anyway? NZers aren’t asked to report or record their covid infections so how do they know how many cases?
      
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      January 3, 2023 12:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , the Media Pardy , who carry so much responsibility for whipping a cough and sniffle into a plague , continueto whip up Batflu hysteria .
    
    And perversely , politicians who are there to run things and lead , just follow the fear factor and so called experts fall in line.
    
    Trust none of them , they’re imbiciles.
    
    Exhibit A ; covid hysteria .
    Exhibit B; climate hysteria.
    Exhibit C; quantitive easing hysteria.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      quantitative*
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:09am
      - Andrew S
        
        Awww, c’mon mannnn…..you know….the thing.
        
        Whilst Jacki Chan (Jaxinator) paddles the pools of driftwood and mediocrity (paid media)….Clarke is somewhere near Waiheke moving houses.
        
        Don’t fret Comrades because Clarke and Co will announce another announcement of their wedding date just before the next election.
        
        All’s good in hobbit land because Stuff and Women’s Weekly said so.
        
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        January 3, 2023 1:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And why only Mainland China?
    
    Does the tricky virus only throw up new variants in Chinese folk?
    
    With millions of folks throughout the World currently hosting the virus in their respiratory systems, I would have thought the chances of a nasty mutation arising would be just as likely to spread through the population of folks from anywhere.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:33am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Really, Maggy? Pure mathematics. China has circa one quarter of the world’s population. They’ve been jabbed with Sinovax, which has been reported as being less effective than Pfizer (!). Despite their long lockdown, who knows what has been circulating & perhaps mutating. And, I trust the CCP as far as I can throw them. So, yes, I think a level of caution is advisable.
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:06am
      - Ghost
        
        Newest strain taking over in the USA is from India.
        
        https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/xbb15-subvariant-cdc-reports-new-omicron-strain-taking-rcna63512
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:14am
      - CJames
        
        I think your population data is a bit out of date. I thought China was only about 14% and India either has or just about to exceed them in population.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        China has circa one quarter of the world’s population.
        
        China has less than one fifth of the World’s population (18.5%).
        https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/china-population/
        
        And, I trust the CCP as far as I can throw them.
        I agree, but the entire covid-19 issue has been politicised from Day 1 and I’m not too keen on trusting any political entity about this pandemic now.
        
        I think a level of caution is advisable.
        
        Caution is always advisable when your health is vulnerable.
        
        But as the current variant BF7 which is coursing through China is also in India, USA, UK, Europe and probably Australia, I think singling Out Mainland China as the only country requiring pre-departure tests may be a futile exercise.
        
        https://www.deccanherald.com/national/covid-19-bf7-variant-what-we-know-so-far-1175166.html
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:51am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Well the Pfizer jab gives negative efficacy after a couple of months, hard to imagine something being less effective than that…..
        
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        January 3, 2023 1:19pm
  - greybeard
    
    Do you really believe any numbers coming out of China?
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:36am
    - krazykiwi
      
      No. Their lies make Ardern look saintly by comparison.
      
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      January 3, 2023 8:40am
    - crikey
      
      Do you believe “Covid death numbers” coming out of New Zealand?
      
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      January 3, 2023 8:43am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        No. Even people who were going to die anyway have their deaths listed as Covid deaths.
        Makes lying pricks like Baker, and the media look good.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:13am
      - Bob
        
        I don’t believe ANY numbers coming from our government; let alone rom China!
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:33am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I ceased believing New Zealand’s Covid numbers when a gang member who was shot dead in a driveway in West Auckland was included in the Covid death statistics!
        
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        January 3, 2023 12:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        I stopped believing in them when a cousin died from cancer and was listed as Covid death early on
        
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        January 3, 2023 12:57pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “Unprecedented Vaccine Disaster”: An Interview with Professor Masanori Fukushima
      
      On November 25th there occurred a singularly rare event in the ongoing COVID-19 saga – truth was spoken to power. A distinguished medical doctor and infectious disease expert was given free rein to interrogate a government official, unmediated and without apparent time restraint. The doctor in question was the distinguished oncologist, professor emeritus at Kyoto University and Representative of the Learning Health Society Institute (LHSI) Masanori Fukushima. His rigorous and passionate berating of an official from the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare (MHLW) on COVID-19 vaccine safety and government transparency made for gripping viewing.
      
      https://rumble.com/v1zahpo-you-are-ignoring-science-its-a-disaster-dr-masanori-fukushima-of-kyoto-univ.html
      
      It’s a discussion that is forbidden in NZ where we have a “single source of truth.”
      
      About Professor Masanori.
      
      Masanori Fukushima: I majored [in] biochemistry at Kyoto University post graduate school and actually I am the eldest medical oncologist in our country. I opened in the academic sector the first out-patient clinic for cancer patients in 2003 when I was Professor at Kyoto University. I [became involved in] pharmaco-epidemiology in 2000. This is the study of stop[ping] drug disaster[s]. That’s the mission, the raison d’etre. That’s why I’m involved with the COVID-19 vaccine problem. Because no scientists and only a few physicians have spoken out about the problem of vaccines.
      
      So no, he’s not a fringe “conspiracy theorist.”
      Here are some key comments from his interview on the 28th December. It is a startling interview.
      
      ….when I heard that Government and EU and USA started the messenger RNA program my first impression was this is so stupid. Because messenger RNA is evolutionary, and the cell system is degraded always in a very short time. Messenger RNA is fragile and should be degraded promptly in the body. But this vaccine is modified and manipulated to be stable and to be incorporated in nanoparticles.
      
      ……But it has became a kind of religion. Still, they believe in the effectiveness of the vaccine – it’s like a Messiah.
      
      …….The cases (vaccine damage) are accumulating but the Government has denied causality even for the autopsied cases, in which the pathologist has pointed out the causality. There is clear evidence of a significant increase in heart problems and vascular problems such as strokes and pneumonia-like symptoms and others.
      
      ……I asked the government to disclose the COVID-19 mortality in vaccinated and non-vaccinated people. This statistic is critical. If there is no difference, then the vaccine induced deaths do not justify the use of the vaccines. I officially requested this information with my attorney on August 1st. And the first answer was “wait two months”. And then the final answer was “no, we do not disclose”. So, the next step is to sue the Government.
      
      ……There are so many deaths. It is an unprecedented vaccine disaster. I can’t imagine how many people have really died. 2,000 is the minimum, the tip of the iceberg.
      
      Finally, to endorse Krazykiwi’s earlier post re vaccines fueling variants (as predicted by many.)
      
      PP: Finally, in your reports you said, perhaps particularly the booster shots, are damaging people’s immune systems, opening them up to all kinds of problems?
      
      MF: Yes, this has been known from the early days of the vaccine, that it may trigger ADE which is when the antibody accelerates cellular infections. And if you are repeatedly dosed this can lead to original antigen sin. The first-generation vaccine was designed to attack the first variant and second Delta. This was already clearly demonstrated by Catherine Reynolds’ report. So, vaccinated people do not produce appropriate anti-bodies for Omicron. The vaccines can shut down the innate immune system due to the first design of the vaccine.
      
      Link to the full interview.
      
      https://dailysceptic.org/2023/01/01/unprecedented-vaccine-disaster-an-interview-with-professor-masanori-fukushima/
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wow. The Professor is quite wound up. He will sue the Government. My main thought is, can this happen (suing) in NZ or are we just too small
        Some people have got away with not having a reaction, and some others have paid the ultimate price. This needs to go to the NZ Govt Officials, and have it drummed into them, and they must come back with a decision as to why we were forced to take it. None of Japinda’s bullshit about not being forced, we were blackmailed by her.
        I have dumped both videos on Facebook. Be interesting if the Factcheckers baulk.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:45am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      greybeard – apparently this loss of trust in our various governments’ data and narratives around covid 19 is spreading everywhere like a wildfire.
      
      ‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines
      
      Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.
      
      https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/died_suddenly_more_than_1_in_4_think_someone_they_know_died_from_covid_19_vaccines
      
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      January 3, 2023 1:23pm
      - Spoff
        
        “A new study of immune reaction raises even graver concerns about the consequences of the vaccination campaign. Like other such studies, it shows how vaccination spurs the production of immunoglobulin antibodies (IgG) in large quantities, which is certainly what they are intended to do. This study, however, delved deeper, looked at which subtype of IgG antibody the body actually produced following vaccination, and found a huge increase, especially after the third injection, of the IgG4 antibody subtype. Under normal circumstances, IgG4 is less than 5% of IgG antibodies in the body, but after the third vaccine dose, it increased to a fifth of all IgG antibodies. When the triple-vaccinated then got reinfected, the percentage of this subtype increased even more, reaching half of the body’s antibodies against the spike protein……..In other words, those results suggest that repeated vaccination with mRNA vaccines may reduce the body’s resistance to the virus, which may explain why the probability of infection and re-infection seems to increase in direct proportion to the number of injections. One can only wonder if this also explains to some extent the large increase in chronic Covid symptoms, organ damage and excess deaths. In his recent post on the subject, investigative journalist Alex Berenson calls for immediate restriction of booster campaigns, and research into the correlation between autoimmune diseases and vaccinations.”
        https://www.sott.net/article/475849-Does-vaccination-actually-weaken-our-resistance-to-Covid-19
        
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        January 3, 2023 6:33pm
  - MCōs
    
    “does anyone still believe closing borders to ‘at risk’ peoples has any merit?”
    Quite a number of countries apparently.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:48am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “Quite a number of countries” have been wrong about pretty much everything they’ve done in response to covid 19. The responses have caused far more harm than the virus could if left alone.
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:36am
      - MCōs
        
        I’m pointing out a number of countries have closed their borders to infected Chinese travelers, not whether it’s right or wrong.
        Having said that if I had covid I just as sooner stay at home.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:45am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MCōs – I agree with your original comment. It was a statement of fact by you, not an opinion.
        My response was also an opinion, not a criticism of your comment. I wasn’t presuming whether you thought it was right or wrong.
        I agree, if I had covid I would prefer to stay at home. As with any respiratory illness, depending on the severity of course and depending on how important the journey out actually was.
        
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        January 3, 2023 10:03am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        But pointing it out appears to be misinformation
        
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        January 3, 2023 12:41pm
    - cmm
      
      “Quite a number of countries apparently.”
      
      Do not confuse accomplishment with just being seen to be doing something and keeping the theatre running.
      
      There’s still a pile of money to be made selling the Pfizer jab encouraging people to take their foourth, fifth or sixth dose. To do this they need to keep the fear alive.
      
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      January 3, 2023 10:56am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        cmm – there’s a pile of money to be wasted if the current stock of vaccines have to be dumped……as they were with Tamiflu.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9768461/Mass-dump-of-Tamiflu-a-bitter-pill-to-swallow
        
        The search for the pot of gold anti viral vaccine is a history of ongoing failure driven by those with enormous conflicts of interest. The covid response is just the latest variation of “pandemic/miracle cure”.
        
        An in depth article on the subject was written recently by Eugyppius.
        
        Aspects of pandemicism are as old as 1918, but the proximate origins of this mind virus are much more recent. Tellingly, they don’t lie with any kind of pandemic at all, but rather with the WHO campaign to eradicate smallpox. This started in 1967, and it took ten years to complete. Any institutionalised enterprise that persists for a full decade will acquire institutional momentum, such that it can’t simply be turned off when the mission is over. Just as the push for trans rights and trans acceptance owes a lot to the institutional forces accumulated by the gay rights movement since the 1970s, pandemicism became the next stage of advocacy for the smallpox eradicators after they had put themselves out of business.
        
        They’re just not the most intelligent or introspective people.
        
        https://www.eugyppius.com/p/pandemicism-and-the-foreknowledge
        
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        January 3, 2023 11:13am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Hmm, given how much Covid is swilling around NZ right now, we might be doing the Chinese a favour by keeping them out.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:02am
  - tavita
    
    Yes kk and the same logic applies to nz travelers as it does to Chinese. Because covid was suppressed for so long and is now rampant, nz and Chinese travelers are more likely to have a current infection
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jaspinda is going to China. So is some other Govt Official.
      Is that wise? Should they and all Kiwis be stopped from visiting China?
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:49am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Any decisions made around closing borders or “testing” 🙄 for covid before departure are going to be pure political theatre. Nothing to do with public health. Absolutely nothing.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:32am
  - TS Child
    
    My understanding is that China only counts a covid death if the person dies of acute respiratory symptoms directly attributable to covid. It’s a shame the entire world didn’t do this. Much clearer stats.
    
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    January 3, 2023 5:38pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A one party state can be trusted with statistics?
      
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      January 3, 2023 6:48pm
- Inandout
  
  CM, according to a radio jock some potential overseas visitors have said they will not visit here if we don’t ban Chinese tourists. I suggest visitors to this country will be more at risk of being robbed or attacked than catching a tricky virus.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:42am
  - krazykiwi
    
    As there is a risk that these immeasurably stupid ‘potential overseas visitors’ might breed with locals, I suggest their staying away would be a very good thing.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:13am
- cas
  
  So the Aussies haven’t followed the health advice, just gone for the politics. What will we do i wonder?
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/national/chief-medical-officer-no-public-health-rationale-to-screen-china-flights-for-covid-20230102-p5c9t6.html?utm_content=TOP_STORIES&list_name=E2446F7A-1897-44FC-8EB8-B365900170E3&promote_channel=edmail&utm_campaign=am-smh-weekend&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=2023-01-03&mbnr=MzA1MTI3OTA&instance=2023-01-03-07-33-AEDT&jobid=29476467
  
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  January 3, 2023 11:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That about sums ms her up
  
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  January 3, 2023 11:59am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Captain – Show some mercy. Right Honourable Jacinda Ardern according to Mr Clarkr Gayford works really hard. So she deserves a holiday. Leave her alone.
  
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  January 3, 2023 5:10pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Scomo got a right royal whipping from the left for being on holiday when big bush happened to emerge
    in Aus (as they often have, throughout history). He’s an old Christian male so deserves no such sympathy apparently. Couldn’t get away with playing the cry-bully victim/ brave and strong woman switcher when it suited either.
    
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    January 3, 2023 6:56pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Big bush fires, that’s supposed to be!
      
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      January 3, 2023 8:02pm
krazykiwi

I have lost count of the number of times I’ve been called a Conspiracy Theorist™.

It is therefore vindicating, if a little frustrating when things that I (and others) have been saying for literally years start to hit the mainstream media.

Here is a good example, quoting The Wall Street Journal: Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants? The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity.

I’m sorry if some people have ‘moved on’. This is the greatest deliberate train wreck in human history, the those responsible for it – and for continuing it – must be held to account.
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January 3, 2023 8:04am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Viruses evolve? Who knew?
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:09am
  - CJames
    
    Apparently not the people in charge of vaccine injection in NZ. They still want people to get the original boosters, even though all the evidence says they are ineffective against the new strains. Worse than that, the data indicates they may make people more susceptible
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:15am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The recent bombshell study is called ‘The Cleveland Report’. I commented on this a couple of days back. The researchers went beyond basic antibodies, and looked at the four antibody sub-types, these each having specific purposes. The experimental genetic injectable increases antibodies, but it achieved this by suppressing the sub-types (IgG1, IgG3 that mark pathogens for destruction by the adaptive immune system, and massively increasing the sub-type (IgG4) that marks pathogens for being ignored by the adaptive immune system. This is why more ‘vaccination’ = more illness.
      
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      January 3, 2023 8:32am
      - crikey
        
        kk: You are probably aware of posts by Dr John Campbell on his YouTube channel, over the last 3 years or so, related to Covid. In the latest post he reports on a reanalysis of mRNA (vaccine) Phase III clinical trial data for Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines. This is not his reanalysis by the way, from memory, without re-reading Campbell’s post, by people involved in the trials.
        
        The reanalysis looked at the excess of adverse effects of special interest (AESI) from the vaccines compared with the placebos in the randomised double-blind trial. Very interesting…
        
        Campbell compared this with the serious AESI from two earlier vaccines unrelated to Covid – Swine flu vaccine (1976) and Rotavirus vaccine Rotashield (1999). In both cases, with very low numbers of AESI, CDC withdrew the vaccines.
        
        The Covid data reanalysis shows significantly higher AESI than with the two earlier vaccines. Campbell wonders, following the earlier precedents, “why haven’t the Covid vaccines been withdrawn” given the reanalysis, and makes the point that if the trial data had been publicly available at the outset this analysis could have been done much earlier.
        
        BTW, I am not anti-vaccines and have been injected with the Pfizer vaccine up to the two boosters.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Who knew? Clearly not the manufacturers of the experiment or those in the NZ health system and Medsafe who did everything in their power to force people to get injected with this experiment.
    
    It is a fact that vaccinating during a pandemic causes variants and is one of the worst things you can do. These “experts” should have known that. If they did, they are guilty of malfeasance. If they didn’t, they are guilty of gross incompetence.
    
    And KK – never apologise for not “moving on”. This is one of the greatest preventable disasters in human history. Those who drove it need to be held to account. Those who continue to support it are ass clowns who deserve ridicule.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:38am
    - Opie
      
      At least it’s easy to spot those that are still all in on it. The amount of people wearing masks and gloves to the supermarket recently has been surprising.
      
      Whats the logic here? I’m going to wear something that doesn’t protect me from a virus that’s milder than a normal winter cold because the 4 shots I took aren’t helping either.
      
      I saw the local gp wearing a mask in the outdoor timber yard the other day.
      
      And people go to them for health advice…
      
      I don’t care if you want to wear a mask, but you look ridiculous and give away your lack of IQ by wearing one, and have done from the start.
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:24am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Opie – I saw the head of our medical centre at a local market yesterday wearing a full on N95. I saw 2 other people in a crowd of at least 3 or 4 hundred with basic masks on, one had his under his chin, presumably to catch his dribbles……
        As with your local gp, I am guessing that the reason our medical centre leader was wearing the mask is because they have supported and helped drive this narrative.
        They have to pretend to still support it otherwise those who religiously follow their guidelines might start asking questions.
        
        They have also benefited financially.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:45am
      - krazykiwi
        
        “And people go to them for health advice”
        
        I sacked my GP recently. Currently without one and the local practice, one that was energetically plunging as many needles into as many arms as possible, is begging me to re-enrole.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:47am
      - Taieri
        
        Whats the logic here?
        
        your lack of IQ
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        Nothing to do with logic or intelligence. Masks are worn to satisfy emotional needs of their wearers.
        
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        January 3, 2023 9:59am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Clan.
        under his chin, presumably to catch his dribbles……
        Quite amusing, I can just picture it. A typical brainwashed moron.
        
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        January 3, 2023 10:00am
      - Random T Person
        
        I and my 9yo boy wore ‘standard’ surgical masks left over from the pandemic tyranny while spray painting his latest bicycle build project. Both of us had plenty of spray drift up our noses and around our mouths anyway.
        
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        January 3, 2023 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        Clan M: You need to remember that the fast majority of GPs do not understand the science. Other medical researchers do the research and tell them what to do and they just do it.
        
        The GPs don’t understand, but that’s not their job. The GPs have been hoodwinked as much as we have.
        
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        January 3, 2023 11:04am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        cmm – I understand the point you’re trying to make re the GPs.
        
        The GPs don’t understand, but that’s not their job. The GPs have been hoodwinked as much as we have.
        
        We trust GPs because we believe they are trained experts. If, as your statement implies, they are simply middle men acting as on sellers of product for big pharma on a commission basis, then it is hardly surprising that our trust in the health services has been shake to the core.
        
        To clarify, I agree with your statement. Though prior to covid I genuinely did believe they were medical experts who had my health as their primary concern.
        But the fact that so many medically trained people didn’t ask obvious questions (the exception being NZDSOS) is concerning.
        
        How many genuinely didn’t understand the potential problems and how many just kept their mouth shut because they couldn’t handle the fallout and associated loss of income?
        
        How to destroy trust 101.
        
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        January 3, 2023 11:28am
      - TS Child
        
        I assume anyone wearing a mask these days is likely unwell / contagious with something. So I am grateful that their visible indicators of this allow me to give them a wide berth 😀
        
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        January 3, 2023 5:46pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        To be fair, some people wear an N95 because they’ve tested positive to Covid and are considering the elderly etc etc around them. Some have just been somewhere where it’s required or recommended and have driven off forgetting to take it off.
        
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        January 3, 2023 7:03pm
    - kevn
      
      @Crikey… Too much money in the pot this round.
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:39am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Save your sarcasm for our Government and Ministry of Health Mike – here we are in 2023 and they are still promoting the vaccine designed for the original Wuhan variant of the virus from 2019.
    
    Still safe and effective and the best way you can look after your Whanau 4 years of virus mutations later.
    
    Should be on a Tui’s billboard somewhere soon!
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:22pm
- I remember when
  
  If it doesn’t work, do it again and again, etc.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:43am
- MCōs
  
  “This is the greatest deliberate train wreck in human history”
  Not even close.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You’re probably right. Communism may still be the greatest killer. These jabs will be the greatest pharmaceutical killer to-date, and will only steal communism’s crown after years of solid excess deaths.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:09am
    - MCōs
      
      In your opinion, derived from reading stuff on the internet that suits your point of view.
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:51am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I read pre-print and published papers. You read Stuff. I’m comfortable with my choices.
        
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        January 3, 2023 10:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – which ones have been greater?
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:47am
    - MCōs
      
      Interesting you should ask that question.
      Last evening I was watching a documentary series on Netflix about WWII.
      So there’s that for a start. Untold millions killed.
      One episode was about the holocaust. The deliberate attempted extermination of European Jews.
      Then there was the bombing of Japan, the bombings of the cities of Germany and England before that.
      The deliberate starvation . . . . . .
      Prior to that WWI
      None of that was accidental
      
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      January 3, 2023 10:02am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Interesting. I was pretty sure you would have something in mind along those lines.
        
        All I can say is that this one involves pretty much the whole world, and this one is in the very early stages of damage done.
        If it’s close to the predictions of the “conspiracy theorists” (who are so far about 6-0 up in the right/wrong stakes) then the potential numbers will dwarf the events you listed.
        
        I hope not, but so far, all indications are that worst scenarios predicted at the beginning of this event all seem to be coming true.
        Except in New Zimbabwe of course, where our “single source of truth” continues to dribble on about how “safe and effective” this experiment is and continues to push it on naive and trusting citizens.
        It’s an avoidable tragedy unfolding.
        
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        January 3, 2023 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “deliberate” is the key word here.
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:06am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Not even close.”
    
    Fairly close.
    
    The self destructing west, courtesy of the climate mass hysteria phenomenon, and the culmination of 50 or so years of neomarxist brainwashing, would be a close runner up if not the outright winner.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:06pm
- Spoff
  
  “A new study of immune reaction raises even graver concerns about the consequences of the vaccination campaign. Like other such studies, it shows how vaccination spurs the production of immunoglobulin antibodies (IgG) in large quantities, which is certainly what they are intended to do. This study, however, delved deeper, looked at which subtype of IgG antibody the body actually produced following vaccination, and found a huge increase, especially after the third injection, of the IgG4 antibody subtype. Under normal circumstances, IgG4 is less than 5% of IgG antibodies in the body, but after the third vaccine dose, it increased to a fifth of all IgG antibodies. When the triple-vaccinated then got reinfected, the percentage of this subtype increased even more, reaching half of the body’s antibodies against the spike protein……..In other words, those results suggest that repeated vaccination with mRNA vaccines may reduce the body’s resistance to the virus, which may explain why the probability of infection and re-infection seems to increase in direct proportion to the number of injections. One can only wonder if this also explains to some extent the large increase in chronic Covid symptoms, organ damage and excess deaths. In his recent post on the subject, investigative journalist Alex Berenson calls for immediate restriction of booster campaigns, and research into the correlation between autoimmune diseases and vaccinations.”
  https://www.sott.net/article/475849-Does-vaccination-actually-weaken-our-resistance-to-Covid-19
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:11am
- Keith White
  
  I have moved on from being a conspiracy theorist to being a conspiracy realist.
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I take no notice of the fools that spout “Conspiracy Theorist”
    Ask them a few questions and they just waffle, they know nothing.
    Conspiracy Theorist is used to make you double take on the topic. Used to leave the topic with you so they don’t have to elaborate. Psychology 101.
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    I love conspiracy theories, my favourite is jfk. Interesting the media have been quiet on Tucker Carlson show stating the cia was involved.
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:16pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – msm NEVER touch inconvenient truths.
      
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      January 3, 2023 1:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Last true Democrat?
      
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      January 3, 2023 4:42pm
      - Ghost
        
        Last true president
        
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        January 3, 2023 4:59pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Absolutely agree. One of the fascinating things about all this is how quickly certain people blurt “conspiracy theorist” instead of grappling with the view or data at hand. The trouble is the group of “conspiracy theorists” has become inconveniently large…
  
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  January 4, 2023 7:22pm
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Birthday greetings to Greta Thunberg and Kyle Rittenhouse, who both turn 20 today. If these two promising youngsters could get together, I’m sure they could achieve great things when they grow up
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January 3, 2023 8:08am
- Random T Person
  
  You know Mike I often enjoy your contrarian views, but lately it seems like you’ve got a bottle of turps and a bee in your bonnet. Settle down there fella.
  Happy New Year.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:36am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Now in pre-print: “MRNA vaccines increase expression of TG666, the blog troll receptor gene” 🙂
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    RTP – I believe the unstoppable truth is causing the resident troll to become more unhinged with each new piece of evidence. I am almost concerned that they will spontaneously combust at some point. Almost.
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It will be delicious.
      
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      January 3, 2023 12:06pm
- RalphT
  
  Grow up? But if Labour and the Greens are to be believed they’re both mature enough to vote. Are you saying you disagree with our dear leader?
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Being mature enough to vote is not the same as being a grown up.
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:23pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      What is being a “grown up” in your opinion milky?
      
      Most definitions I can find specify displaying maturity as part of any definition. But you say they are different things? How is “maturity to vote” different to maturity in general?
      
      Definition of grownup
      noun
      a mature, fully grown person; adult.
      dictionary.com
      
      : not childish or immature
      merriam-webster
      
      ADJECTIVE
      Someone who is grown-up is physically and mentally mature and no longer depends on their parents or another adult.
      yourdictionary.com
      
      Having or showing maturity in outlook, attitude, or appearance.
      American Heritage
      
      Or do you think that “being mature enough to vote” equates to being stupid enough to vote Labour or Greens……..?
      
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      January 3, 2023 1:57pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      These days many people never mature.
      
      Many do not start waking up to adulting until their mid forties.
      
      Having kids tends to force a certain level of maturity, for many.
      
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      January 3, 2023 8:10pm
- Tempist
  
  “How dare you”
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:08am
- MCōs
  
  “Swedish spectrum dweller”
  What sort of talk is that?
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thank fuck she is not a teenager anymore. Now she can be a ditzy adult, if that is possible.
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:09am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I try not to bag her personally as I think she is being used and she is pretty young.
    
    However, we live in a pretty screwed up world when “leaders” moronically drool over her utterances.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Graham Adams provides a devastating account of our Dear PM’s inability to manage her troops.

As a result of her timidity in dealing with Mahuta, Ardern looks more than ever as if she is Prime Minister in name only. The charge that the government is itself co-governed — with the Maori caucus holding the whip hand in the arrangement — is looking more and more plausible.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-besieged-ardern-pins-hopes-on-a-managed-retreat
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January 3, 2023 8:09am
- artemisia
  
  One commentator on the article mentioned Dead PM Walking.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:13am
- Scooter
  
  I particularly liked this paragraph, sums Labour up perfectly.
  
  Alongside the government’s well-deserved reputation for being incompetent in delivering even the basics of what the public wants — including roads free of potholes — it seems to have a perverse desire to give them what they don’t want, not least an expensive unemployment insurance scheme and a merger of RNZ and TVNZ.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:15am
  - G152
    
    And zero road fatalities.
    Along with 100000 houses and a billion trees
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Every time I hear ‘Maori caucus’ feel vomit welling up. The very concept of a racially constructed governance group should be anathema in a civil democracy
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:18am
  - pdm
    
    kk – I prefer to refer to them as the (so called) Maori Caucus.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:21am
    - Ehlana
      
      I’m wondering why they don’t have a Maori name. Is that because they are effective at achieving their aims?
      
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      January 3, 2023 9:43am
    - Keith White
      
      The Melaninists.
      
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      January 3, 2023 10:43am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… Reading the NZCPR Breaking Views site today, the lead story shows arden won’t back down with these maori issues.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:22am
  - peterwn
    
    The story has it wrong. Jacinda can’t back down with these maori issues. The maori elite pushing these issues may be left wondering what has happened late next year.
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:28am
- Swifty
  
  It’s too late.
  
  Labour opened their kimono and NZers didn’t like what they saw. Hurriedly closing the kimono won’t change the fact that we now know what is underneath, just waiting to be revealed next time Labour feels brave and reaches for the kimono sash after a few drinks and “Hey Big Spender” on the hi-fi.
  
  It’s all over. They’re toast.
  
  Jacinda’s inexperience, naivety and inability to control her caucus means Labour’s goose is cooked.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:07am
  - David Garrett
    
    Swifty: Sadly the p0lls don’t support your view…when I last looked they were still comfortably over 30%…and Peters getting alarmingly close to 5%…and whatever the Great Charlatan says he will go with Labour again if the baubles on offer are good enough.
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Peters will turn 78 on April 11.
      
      Could his smoke-weakened lungs last through another election campaign?
      
      If you listen to him now, you find he sometimes pauses for a breath in the middle of sentences.
      
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      January 3, 2023 1:17pm
      - peterwn
        
        That seems to be his only health issue and it did not stop campaigning last time. Staying in the political game keeps him alive. That is his main hobby.
        
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        January 3, 2023 2:10pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      David, the left vote is below 50%, even if the Great Charlatan takes votes from Labour/Greens he will not help Labour, Greens, Maori over 50%.
      
      Those supporting National/Act are not likely to switch to NZF.
      
      Remember, the Labour vote in Hamilton even with no Greens was only 30%.
      
      Labour vote will go 4 ways this year, these being:
      1. A small percentage National;
      2. A significant percentage Green;
      3. A small percentage NZF (hopefully less than 5%); and
      4. A significant percentage of bedrock Labour will not vote. They are those who can’t contemplate voting anything but Labour, but can’t bring themselves to vote for Jacinda.
      
      The result will mean National will reach 50% at the election.
      
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      January 3, 2023 1:31pm
      - MCōs
        
        No way the Nats will reach 50%.
        
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        January 3, 2023 2:09pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        MCos, the conditions are similar to 1990. Bolger’s Nats achieved 48%, it would have been 50% and fewer Labour seats had Labour not replaced Palmer with Moore 8 weeks before the election.
        
        The cast is already set for Labour to be humiliated, in 2023. Analysis of current polls the Hamilton by-election, and the 2017 and 2020 results and a scenario of National achieving 47% to 50% and Act 10% is not improbable.
        
        This scenario includes votes also shifting to the Green Party, Maori Party & NZF, from Labour, but NZF achieving only 4.5% of the vote. It also assumes up to 50,000 of Labour’s core vote will not vote, as was evidenced in Hamilton.
        
        So, as things stand National achieving 50% is not fantasy.
        
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        January 3, 2023 4:53pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      David G – Exactly. Labour is at 33%, Toxic Greens over 10%, Racist party is sure to bring 3 MPs and add Winston First party crossing 5%. So Labour-Greens-Maori-NZ First gummit is a certainity.
      
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      January 3, 2023 5:22pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Not if NZF are taking votes from Labour.
        
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        January 3, 2023 6:10pm
- AC
  
  To be fair if you believe in co governance then you should in fact practice what you preach. Surely if democracy has changed the caucus would be the place to start. Why would you insist on co governance for water but not yourselves. Maybe a journalist could ask the PM is cò governance practiced in the Labour party and if not why not ?
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:17am
- Philview
  
  The media don’t question Co-Governance but here is an extreme unlikely example of the dangers of 2 Governments. A foreign Government is allowed to station troops and weapons on New Zealand soil in exchange for remuneration. Decisions will get made that wouldn’t normally have a democratic mandate.
  
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  January 3, 2023 11:05am
- Jack5
  
  Don’t under-estimate Mahuta.
  
  As Foreign minister, she must be the source of the roping-in of Wellington’s small diplomacy community to use “Aotearoa” as New Zealand’s name in their public information.
  
  Mahuta, Wily-Willie Jackson and Co. seem to be running a campaign to change the country’s name without any referendum, without debate, without legislation change. They are supported by State TV, State radio, and Ardern’s subsidised newspapers.
  
  Hat tip to poster Ghost for revealing diplomats’ use of “Aotearoa”.
  
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  January 3, 2023 11:37am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s strange that they are embracing an unofficial name for the country
    
    https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/new-zealand/news-&-events/newsarchive/wellbeing-in-aotearoa-new-zealand.html
    
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    January 3, 2023 11:58am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Foreign diplomats might see more of our passports than you do.
      
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      January 3, 2023 12:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        And what does that have to do with embassy’s addressing the country as Aotearoa, nothing, as usual an asinine comment form you
        
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        January 3, 2023 12:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Some commenters have a strange obsession with Māori as an official language of our country. Aotearoa is the Māori name for New Zealand. I don’t know what you mean by an ‘unofficial name’, but a cursory glance at passports and banknotes should suffice to bring you up to date.
        
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        January 3, 2023 3:46pm
      - Ghost
        
        What is the offical name of this country, because according to the UN it is New Zealand, and hasn’t been changed to anything else.
        
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        January 3, 2023 4:12pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky is trolling, but it’s interesting to make a couple of online searches of NZ Legislation at the Parliamentary site.
        
        Look for legislation starting with “New Zealand” and the references run to hundreds.
        
        Search for “Aotearoa New Zealand ” and there about a dozen. The most recent is Wily-Willie Jackson’s Aotearoa New Zealand Public Media Bill, which will dissolve Radio NZ and TVNZ and create a new State broadcaster.
        
        This is due to come into effect on March 1.
        
        The Mahuta-Jackson insurrectionists who have hijacked the Labour Party are moving at a gallop. They know Labour will be dumped this year.
        
        Jackson will then be back to radio host, this time probably on the tribal network. He’s a recent learner of Maori language, but he’ll get by on NZ Pidgin.
        
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        January 3, 2023 4:31pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Aotearoa is the Māori name for New Zealand.”
        
        Nope. It’s a Johnny come lately bastardisation invented by some whitey. As they say “do your own research”.
        
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        January 3, 2023 8:16pm
  - tf78
    
    The jokes on Mahuta – Aotearoa is a name made up by an English man and only referred to the North Island. Don’t be sucked in by ignorance and stupidity.
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t wait for the 2023 slogan.
  
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  January 3, 2023 12:13pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Steve Otto – “Let us screw this”
    
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    January 3, 2023 5:24pm
    - Scooter
      
      Rather “let’s rue this” bitterly regret (something one has done or allowed to happen) and wish it undone. Hello Winstone
      
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      January 4, 2023 1:45am
artemisia

And add a decision on visitors from the US and the UK too now. Followed by a decision on visitors from other countries. XBB15.

Hermit Kingdom 2.0 coming up?
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January 3, 2023 8:12am
- Cinematic
  
  Nope that well has run dry, politically speaking.
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:14am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does Jacinda Ardern even understand the nonsense she sometimes spouts?

The Prime Minister has never understood the subtleties of the hate-speech debate but this was a doozy. Adding religion is not just an “additional word”. It is a whole new can of worms — and fundamentally different to the other protected categories because religious belief is not innate.

Furthermore, it is substantially similar to political belief. If you protect one you should logically protect the other, which is, of course, absurd.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-besieged-ardern-pins-hopes-on-a-managed-retreat
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January 3, 2023 8:15am
- Cinematic
  
  No she doesn’t. Easily the lowest IQ performance by a PM I’ve seen in NZ.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:21am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Labour derives comfort from the fact that Ardern has so much more political experience than Christopher Luxon
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:23am
  - Paulus
    
    But Luxon has more maturity and Management experience than Ardern could ever get in lifetime.
    Simply she is a Prima Donna, as she is told by her paid sycophants, the media and their acolytes.
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:17am
- Yvette
  
  religion – a belief system by which to govern our lives
  politics – a belief system by which to govern our lives
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:28am
- Its only I
  
  The hard part for the opposition this year will be finding a way toward explaining these things in a way that separates Ardern from her supporters. No easy task as its almost as complicated as one of those old cult interventions.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:35am
  - artemisia
    
    Choose a few pronouncements from theocracies and ask if they fit the ‘religion’ as defined. Many are Islamic but there is the Vatican of course.
    
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    January 3, 2023 1:52pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Richard Dawkins is visiting New Zealand for a speaking tour in a few weeks. He holds strong views on religion, to put it mildly.
  
  He has declared repeatedly that “Islam is the greatest force for evil in the world today”. Would a lecture in New Zealand, centred around such a theme, be illegal under the proposed hate speech law covering religion? Would the PM be able to tell us? If the police received a complaint, would they arrest and charge one of the world’s most respected scientists?
  
  The Government cannot have it both ways. Jacinda cannot say “you have nothing to worry about” while arguing at the same time that the law is needed to ‘protect’ people. I don’t see how Richard Dawkins could get away with arguing publicly in a lecture that Islam is a force for evil.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:47am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Please relax Benedict – Jacinda knows stuff when she sees it.
    
    (She can read between the lines too)
    
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    January 3, 2023 8:53am
    - RightFirstTime
      
      [Mod – don’t go there]
      
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      January 3, 2023 3:27pm
  - Hacked-Off
    
    This ‘reform’ will never go through as it is one of the few things in Parliament that require a 75% vote to pass. National have said ‘Nope’ so if Labour attempt to send it through as legislation this will only be a virtue signalling exercise and nothing will come of it substantively.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:04am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      If you mean the Human Rights legislation, no it does not require a 75% majority. That only relates to the Electoral legislation. Maybe you meant votes for 16 years olds?
      
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      January 3, 2023 10:12am
      - All_on_Red
        
        #Makeit25
        
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        January 3, 2023 10:26am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just as an aside, I do not expect religion to be a major feature of the upcoming Dawkins visit. However ‘Maori Science’ is likely to be a theme. Dawkins had ridiculed the notion that ‘Maori Science’ can be taught alongside science in schools. Indeed he wrote an open letter to the Royal Society of New Zealand, castigating them for their stance on the matter.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:36am
    - Matt Long
      
      I had a Maori mate around 30 years ago who used to say “you done a Maori job there bro” when looking at rough work, is the same humour being applied to modern politicised science?
      
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      January 3, 2023 10:51am
      - pdm
        
        matt.
        
        Maori time
        Maori PT
        
        Were common sayings years ago – but we cannot go near them these days.
        
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        January 3, 2023 11:13am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I miss the more common ethnic slurs too, pdm.
        
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        January 3, 2023 12:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep have had several Maori and PI colleagues laughing hysterically at calling others of their own race harsh racial expletives that would get you a knock on the door from the thought police these days.
        
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        January 3, 2023 8:21pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    BY – thanks for sharing this.
    
    I’m Christian and understand religious beliefs have a huge bearing on the actions taken individually and in society. Some of the extreme beliefs of Islam are a threat to humanity. But contrary to Dawkins view I believe his religious belief of Evolution, not the scientific fact of adaptation, is in fact a greater issue for humanity.
    
    It is this philosophy that convinced the Germans of the superiority of the Aryan race. Look at the crimes against humanity that caused.
    
    In the hands of the climate change activists and global elite it is being used to place humans in conflict with the entire ecosystem- this depopulation becomes a morally correct strategy.
    
    I’m sticking with the view that we and the world we live in has been created by an Intelligent and Loving God. We are the reason the creation was made and we are responsible for its stewardship. The two greatest commandments are for us to love God and then our Neighbour. So at no stage does depopulation become a morally valid philosophy.
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:37pm
- artemisia
  
  Where there is an overlap of religious and political, which is nearly always, who decides which is which.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:56am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Would it just be hurty words against religion (they really mean Islam, don’t they?) that would be illegal, or cartoons as well (a la Charlie Hebdo)? If not, why not?
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No it would cover all communication. If the law is changed it would be impossible for the Charlie Hebdo cartoons to be published in New Zealand. That would include anyone posting them on a blog. Judge for yourself:
    
    https://www.vox.com/2015/1/7/7507883/charlie-hebdo-explained-covers
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:34am
- Stellaboxer
  
  We basically now have blasphemy laws but in practice only for one particular religion.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is word soup waffle. Just grab one sentence and ask her to explain. She can’t, she will divert as usual.
  
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  January 3, 2023 12:17pm
Tomtoddy

What would the Ferald and silly old Simon Wilson write about if National’s Luxon and Mayor Brown disappeared? It is now past any point of logic or reason and simply ugly vindictiveness.
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January 3, 2023 8:26am
- Random T Person
  
  Same goes for that supercilious idiot Todd Niall at Stuff.
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:38am
- MCōs
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Simon Wilson has been a journalist for more than thirty years.
  Luxon & Brown have been around as noted politicians for only a fraction of that time. Wilson has hardly built his career reporting on those guys.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:05am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Simon Wilson has been a biased political hack for more than thirty years.
    There, fixed it for you.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:14am
    - MCōs
      
      I was unaware you followed his career so closely.
      I certainly haven’t.
      
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      January 3, 2023 10:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well now you know.
        Biased political hack is a pretty accurate description of Wilson.
        
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        January 3, 2023 10:25am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’d have a look for some of his pre-1990s work for you, but I suspect that checking lazy assertions from the Walmington-on-Sea bank manager would be wasting everyone’s time.
        
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        January 3, 2023 12:31pm
    - Allan
      
      Wilson’s articles should be printed on rolls of toilet paper they are so full of sh-t and are not worthy of being published. If Wilson leant any further left he would be parallel to the ground. The man is a bloody joke and is certainly incapable of producing reasoned articles.
      
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      January 3, 2023 3:05pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      His brain snapped when Trump got elected?
      
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      January 3, 2023 8:22pm
- 7kiwi11
  
  Bike lanes?
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:40am
- Paulus
  
  What do you expect from Simon Wilson – after all he is a paid Labour Party sycophant !
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:20am
Rusty

@ Maggie.

Somehow I have the feeling this hate speech to protect religions in NZ is really about non-christian religions being protected by any real or perceived criticism directed at them by people of the christian faith in this country.

Jacinda and Labour have a low view of all things christian in this country and now they are going on the offensive with this diabolical hate speech bill.
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January 3, 2023 8:33am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Rusty, This is going nowhere as it requires a 75% vote in the house to pass and National have said ‘No’. Labour virtue signalling only.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:06am
  - Ghost
    
    I don’t think they need 75% of the house vote, act have said they will repeal any hate speech law.
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Actually, “people of the Christian faith” really means white people descended from people of Christian faith.
  
  I mean, when was the last time you heard your local bishop get stuck into (say) the Buddhists?
  
  These days, people of faith recognise and welcome other people of faith, valuing what they have in common rather than what divides them.
  
  In my experience, it’s atheists & those who have rejected a faith-based upbringing who are most vocal about people of faith.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:18am
  - septic skeptic
    
    True enough. In the modern world it is hard to sell the idea that “ours is the one true God, the other 9999 are all made up fakes and should be rejected”.
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:55am
    - JackRabbit
      
      9999…
      
      At about age 7 I was forced to go to Sunday school, and our Sunday School teacher was a fire and brimstone type.
      
      She told us that if you were really good you would go to heaven when you died, and if really bad you would go to hell when you died.
      
      But no-one could tell me where the other 99.9% would go.
      
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      January 3, 2023 4:05pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      A long time ago, while away from home for the first time at University, I decided to attend a few religious churches other than the Catholic ones I had been going to.
      
      I thought at the time that there really wasn’t a lot of differences between them. They each thought their religion was the only true one.
      
      At least none of the ones I tried advocated killing anyone that didn’t favor their brand of religion.
      
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      January 3, 2023 5:33pm
- Paulus
  
  As Jacinda was brought up for 25 years in the Mormon Church surely there must be something left in her brain !
  I presume her family are still practicing their allegiance, and so they should.
  Their daughter is a hypocrite.
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m told she was excommunicated.
    
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    January 3, 2023 10:54am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Excommunicaded!
      
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      January 3, 2023 10:56am
    - David Garrett
      
      Matt: Did she refuse to wear the temple garments? Or perhaps that’s only for “Elders” (i.e. male Morm0ns)
      
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      January 3, 2023 11:04am
      - pdm
        
        DG – maybe too junior so she packed a sad and left when not allowed them.
        
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        January 3, 2023 11:15am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Females wear them too…but seems that there are problems with the design of female undergarments.
        
        (Don’t read if you are of a sensitive nature)
        
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9815285/Mormon-women-beg-church-redesign-sacred-undergarments-complaining-cause-UTIs.html
        
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        January 3, 2023 11:21am
      - Paulus
        
        She was a member for 25 yeras I understand, she is only 41 now, and left because the Church did not support homosexual marriage.
        
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        January 3, 2023 1:44pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ah, the old secret underpants!
        
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        January 3, 2023 8:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I have read many times in Kiwiblog comments that Mormons are not ‘real’ Christians. Something about the appearances of Jesus in the Americas being too obviously an invented fable or some such.
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:34pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Christians believe that the Jesus, Son of God, both human and divine, fulfilled the prophesies in the bible. There is therefore no requirement for more prophets of God eg Mohammed or Joseph Smith etc. That is why Christians see Mormonism or Islam as false religions.
      
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      January 3, 2023 4:54pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Thank you, Pineapple Lumps. I am interested in how Christians can be sure that their own church (or particular schismatic part of it) is not a false religion.
      
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      January 3, 2023 5:11pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        That is something called faith Mike. If you are truely interested then you just need to seek in earnest.
        
        Seek and you will find, knock and the door will be answered.
        
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        January 3, 2023 6:51pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Pop along to a fundy church and ask them Milky.
        
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        January 3, 2023 8:25pm
- Philview
  
  Just reading the thread today it occurred to me that there is a powerful religion in this country that predates European colonisation. I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the true intent and next time someone tries to block a Karakia etc they will be locked up.
  
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  January 3, 2023 11:15am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Maori spiritual beliefs have been largely absorbed into the various mainsteam Christian sects introduced by the 19th missionaries, together with the specifically Māori syncretic religions such as Ringatu and Ratana, etc.
    I doubt that there is any more much sincere belief in the Polynesian goods, let alone any strict observance of traditional religious practices to the exclusion of other faith influences.
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:39pm
    - Andrew S
      
      Hmmmm, it appears that mikenmildagain speaks on behalf of all Maori spiritual belief’s. Apart from your ‘all-knowing’ revelations and identity politics, what is Dr Shane Reti (s) spiritual belief?
      
      Tell me oh wise master.
      
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      January 3, 2023 5:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I merely cast doubt on any enduring nature of Māori religion unaffected by the Christian missionaries’ messages. It’s not something I’ve heard much about.
        I have no idea what Shane Reti’s personal beliefs might be. Are they relevant to this question?
        
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        January 3, 2023 5:47pm
      - Andrew S
        
        BTW Mike, as soon as a comment is posted relating to you………….the down ticks miraculously appear.
        
        That’s ok but can you please be more specific on your assertion that Maori all have the same belief/spirituality……..hmmmmm, me thinks you’re stereotypically singing from the same hymn book.
        
        Tell me Mike, what are Maori thinking now?
        
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        January 3, 2023 6:00pm
    - Andrew S
      
      Your words….not mine:
      “Maori spiritual beliefs have been largely absorbed into the various mainsteam Christian sects introduced by the 19th missionaries, together with the specifically Māori syncretic religions such as Ringatu and Ratana, etc.”
      
      You seem to have forgotten what you wrote.
      
      You’re telling the story, not me.
      
      You seem to have an obsession with I.D politics when it suits your particular narrative. I’m just pointing out your convoluted hypocrisy. It’s ok Mike, you’re a SJW trapped in a mouse’s body pretending that you’re for equal rights until cornered like a RAT.
      
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      January 3, 2023 6:26pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Nah they’re just enacting things that prove and improve their credentials with their overseas compatriots. They are similar to the Austrian nazis in so much as they are desperate to prove themselves more devoted and ideologically sound then their German counterparts. Typically antipodean believing that they are punching above their weight in unique NZ conditions lol.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:26pm
pdm

`simply ugly vindictiveness.’

Suucinctly sums up the very little I have bothered to read that Simon Wilson writes.
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January 3, 2023 8:36am
- pdm
  
  Succinctly
  
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  January 3, 2023 8:36am
I remember when

Ross Barber RIP:
The perennial political/council nominee who seldom troubled the voters but added a little bit of lightness/madness to the ocassion.
Strangely, now that he is gone he will be missed.
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January 3, 2023 8:41am
- Steve Todd
  
  Yes, he was the “Team God” candidate in Palmerston North elections over the last 10 years. He was only 59.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:52am
info@cruzpro.com

The term “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” appears to be true for the Covid19 virus.

Who would have thought that injecting billions of people with a substance that doesn’t stop/kill the virus would enable the surviving virus to mutate into a stronger, more resistant version?

Seems to make sense to me. Now we have to worry about the new faster spreading XBB15 Covid19 virus in New York.
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January 3, 2023 8:58am
pdm

How many of the New Zealand batsmen fell to the reverse sweep in the last session at Karachi.

I watched until tea when we were 220 plus of 1 and never saw a reverse sweep attempted by any of Latham, Conway or Williamson.

If not the reverse sweep what happened?

Batting conditions looked excellent.
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January 3, 2023 9:08am
- MCōs
  
  A number of chaps were caught behind.
  None went to the reverse sweep.
  Their principal spinner Abrar Ahmed was fairly ineffective.
  Ish Sodhi once again batted within his limitations, but I expect the next three won’t.
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:27am
  - pdm
    
    Henry is not a bad bat – far more reliable than Southee and Patel is okay defensively but struggles toget the ball off the square.
    
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    January 3, 2023 11:17am
- Prince
  
  Pakistan upped their game. Discovered some reverse swing somehow (?)
  Kane and Devon nicked out.
  Mitchell played a poor shot.
  Nichols is out of form.
  Bracewell seems out of his league.
  Blundell to the rescue, hopefully.
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:31am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I was a bit surprised with the successive experiments with Ravindra and now Bracewell as test all-rounders.
    Bracewell is an ideal short-form bowler, much like Sodhi, but we’d obviously love to have a spinner who can bat at a test standard. We’re not likely to have one appear like magic and given we’re out of the running for this test cycle, perhaps the selectors need to stick with someone whose batting is most likely to develop.
    
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    January 3, 2023 12:45pm
Yvette

“You see, Nanaia, only today after a week of carrying a headline that my popularity is plunging, has the Guardian moved on – thank God – to no headline about me at all.
So if you think I am to get in again next Election and all of you, Nanaia, in your Maori Caucus, you will have to pull back a bit.
Just let 3 waters sink in – little joke, ha,ha, God knows there is little else to laugh about – but let 3 Waters sink in. Shit: it was pushing water uphill to slip in thermal and coastal waters at the last minute.
And after all your sister Pipa has the top spot in te Puna, and has the unbridled power of Mana o te Wai statements, and Luxon hasn’t even mentioned those – I mean shit, he has to explain them first – and we certainly haven’t.
So just lay back a bit – and tell Willie too. He still has Broadcasting to dismantle and put back together the way you want it, So just ease off a bit, or you’ll look like another wave of Omaoricron.”
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January 3, 2023 9:13am
Blog-aholic

Omaori-con. Is what you meant.
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January 3, 2023 9:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-treaty-of-waitangi-act-1975-how-could-history-ignorant-politicians-have-passed-this/

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Bruce-Moon-on-the-Treaty-Of-Waitangi-Act-1975.pdf
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/5-things-you-can-do.pdf
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January 3, 2023 10:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

One of those things that comes on my FB feed, the MCos says are stupid.
Just for you MCos.
A young woman was pulled over for speeding. As the motorcycle officer walked to her car window, flipping open his ticket book, she said “I BET YOU ARE GOING TO SELL ME A TICKET TO THE MOTORCYCLE COP’S BALL”. He replied with “MOTORCYCLE COPS DON’T HAVE BALLS”. There was a moment of silence while she smiled, and he realised what he’d just said. He then closed his book, got back on his motorcycle and left. She was laughing too hard to start her car for several minutes.
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January 3, 2023 10:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

It would currently be of more value to the health of NZers to check that all passengers arriving in NZ from India have been vaccinated against measles than checking the covid-status of folks from Mainland China.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04480-z
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January 3, 2023 10:54am
- Matt Long
  
  Ah, but measles are not a fashionable scare and the pharma Co.s aren’t currently geared up to make billions from measles.
  
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  January 3, 2023 11:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Most NZ people would be vaccinated for measles?
  I am not, had both types when I was a kid. No vaccines around in 1950
  
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  January 3, 2023 4:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s been a big drop-off in the number of toddlers getting their measles vaccinations.
    
    New Zealand’s vaccination rates are plummeting. Ministry of Health data shows as of September 2022, only 81.4 percent of those turning five were up to date with their vaccinations (including inoculations against a range of disease, not just measles, mumps and rubella).
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/481704/measles-outbreak-fears-as-vaccination-levels-drop-cases-rise-overseas
    
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    January 3, 2023 6:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://bongino.com/elon-musk-teases-fauci-files-release-this-week?

This will be interesting. Musk is just the guy to expose Fauci’s crooked dealings.
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January 3, 2023 11:13am
Swifty

In the big scheme of things crimes such as these are regarded as very small fry:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/thieves-steal-swings-from-whangarei-playground/QRMGAN4USVE5JEHLLS576NGCLA/

But are they really small fry?

It seems to me that there are some crimes of theft or vandalism, because they target the weak, or assets belonging to the community, in this case kids, that are particularly odious and worthy of greater condemnation.

In this case someone is attempting to personally gain from stealing assets purchased with community funds for the betterment of all, in this case our kids.

Utterly disgraceful and crimes which seem to be happening more often these days. I see for example yet another mass pilfering of bronze plaques from cemetery headstones, and I see quite regularly schools burgled and kids computer gear taken in large numbers – surely something you couldn’t go much lower than.

As to remedies, I don’t know. It just sits wrongly with me that that this is regarded as such a low level affair.
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January 3, 2023 11:28am
- kevn
  
  @Swifty… Richard Prebble had a column recently in which he noted the entire new local playground at Lake Rotoma (BOP) was stolen. Who could fail to notice a new addition in someones yard?
  
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  January 3, 2023 1:02pm
  - Paulus
    
    But the children’s playground was giften to the local Marae where it should have been in the first place.
    Not for any outside children.
    
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    January 3, 2023 1:48pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks.
    
    I saw recently a case where a guy was done for burgling the local kohanga of computer gear, where not only did some of his rellies work but also his own kid(s) attended!
    
    And thanks to Efeso Collins I know that the root cause of this offending is poverty and it’s thanks to Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and Rawiri Waititi that I know that the cause of Maori poverty is colonisation.
    
    So ultimately I’m to blame for these thefts.
    
    Or something.
    
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    January 3, 2023 2:34pm
ClanMcleod

The new normal. “Died suddenly.”

Another report in the Herald of a young person dying suddenly. I won’t post the link.

25 years of age, zero health issues, dies of a heart attack. The husband asked for an investigation and it was ruled as “natural causes.” What is “natural” about a healthy 25 year old dying of a heart attack? Something must have caused her heart to stop.
I know, correlation is not causation.//
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January 3, 2023 11:42am
Jack5

The appalling state of South Africa’s electricity system, Eskom, is spelled out in the Herald today in an article reprinted from the Financial Times.

Unfortunately, it’s behind the paywall, but a taste:

South Africa is experiencing the worst power cuts in its history. Eskom imposed at least 100 days of rolling blackouts last year. Power is often down for five hours, sometimes 10. Without electricity, factories grind to a halt, meat rots in abattoirs and police stations are attacked under the cover of darkness.

I’m not touting for online subscriptions to the Herald, but want to make the point that the Wokies and Leftists shrieking about the horrors of colonialism are blind to some of the benefits Westerners brought and bring to the Third World.

We have a Kiwiblog poster who has experience working in the South African electricity industry, and maybe able to spell out what’s going on.
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January 3, 2023 11:58am
Ghost

Don’t know anything about judicial watch so no idea if they’re credible.

While the nation’s Federal Air Marshals (FAM) are busy on the Mexican border providing illegal immigrants with welfare checks, transportation, and other basic services, Al Qaeda is planning attacks in the U.S. involving planes, according to high-level Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sources. Judicial Watch obtained from government sources a copy of the new intelligence alert, which was delivered on December 31, 2022, at 12:23:52 Greenwich Mean Time. The caption of the widely circulated warning reads: “Al-Qaeda says upcoming attacks on US, possibly involving planes, will use new techniques and tactics.”

https://www.judicialwatch.org/al-qaeda-plans-plane-attacks-using-new-techniques-and-tactics-as-air-marshals-keep-getting-sent-to-mexican-border/
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January 3, 2023 12:15pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It might just be the case that after the infamous August 2001 warning that Osama bin Laden was determined to strike the US, the intelligence agencies are more likely to highlight such warnings rather than simply briefing the president.
  
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  January 3, 2023 12:52pm
I remember when

American billionaire’s controversial NYE pyrotechnic bonanza starts fire near Queenstown: Stuff.
Was there ever a fire more gleefully proclaimed by our media.
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January 3, 2023 1:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Well, there’s a question. fires were very popular at one time, up until the eighteenth century I believe, although i am not familiar with media delight at same. I think some captives in the musket wars here in the 19th century might have been burned, or cooked, alive but, again, I’m not sure how widely celebrated those fires were in the media. A more recent example might be media celebrating the vandalism of ‘German’ businesses during WWI.
  Other commenters might be able to take the tale of glee at arson, etc up to the present day.
  
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  January 3, 2023 3:54pm
cas

I see the whinging ginger is at it again.

It has been pointed out to me that judging by the photos of the interviews he is about to give, the Californian sunshine seems to have made his hair grow. Of course it could be photoshopped as well but surely not when he loves truth.
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January 3, 2023 2:04pm
Andrew S

Just thinking out loud via txt. Imagine the likes of Maggy Wassilieff, Benedict, Krazykiwi etc etc in parliament who obviously are intellectuals instead of ‘career politicians’ i.e fish and chip wrappers giving facts over ‘slogans’ or Steve Otto or Maggi-pie crushing lightweight comedians like Robertson or Jackson? Or Ngatimozart explaining to wannaby servicemen/women the realities of NZ’s armed forces.

I’m your typical swing voter. I’ve voted Labour, NZF, National, and ACT but the Greens…..not on your nelly. There is no way in hell I’ll vote for either Labour or NZF this next cycle.
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January 3, 2023 2:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I think you are mistaking comments on a blog for reasoned debate on issues of the day (not that reasoned debate has ever been a feature of parliament).
  I have no doubt that some individuals commenting here would be capable of conducting interesting, informed and extended debate about many interesting things. But that’s not what Kiwiblog is for. It’s an entertainment forum – fomenting happy mischief and all that.
  
  [Mod – no this not a place to come and cause mischief]
  
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  January 3, 2023 3:59pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I come here to find out what our MSM is not reporting and am rarely disappointed.
    
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    January 3, 2023 4:13pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Same here…
      
      and when I realised this morning that the NZ Herald charges $4.20 for its daily dross, I sent another donation off to Kiwiblog.
      
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      January 3, 2023 4:30pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Good reminder, I will too.
        
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        January 3, 2023 4:59pm
  - Andrew S
    
    @mikenmildagain.
    “I have no doubt that some individuals commenting here would be capable of conducting interesting, informed and extended debate about many interesting things. But that’s not what Kiwiblog is for. It’s an entertainment forum – fomenting happy mischief and all that.”??
    
    Sorry mate, you’re obviously feeling left out. No worries though…….you’re the court jester, a snarky one at that.
    
    Ps. Yvette’s good value as well and very informative
    
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    January 3, 2023 4:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yah, a bit of fun is nice. Mike likes to destroy fun.
      Lefties are born without a sense of humour, and it can’t be installed.
      Sorry Mike, it is what it is.
      
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      January 3, 2023 4:57pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    This poster openly admits his spamming and trolling solely has the purpose of “fomenting happy mischief”.
    
    He seems to enjoy posting fifty troll comments a day, but I doubt many people enjoy this relentless stream of spam.
    
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    January 3, 2023 5:05pm
  - Andrew S
    
    @mikenmildagain.
    You’re actually starting to give me the shits. I’ve already stated that I’m your typical swing voter and voted various different parties in the past.
    
    If this is your way of convincing me to vote for your dyed in the wool party (labour/left)??, then get onto an HR consultant pronto because you’re doing an abysmal job at endorsing your fanatical ideology. Get over yourself mate
    
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    January 3, 2023 5:07pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      mikenmildagain’s voluminous posts are so rarely worth reading (my opinion, your opinion may vary) that I just immediately skip over them now. Not worth the effort and agro.
      
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      January 3, 2023 5:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      [Mod – DPF’s blog, he can do as he pleases. You can’t]
      
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      January 3, 2023 5:24pm
      - CAKE FACE1
        
        Weird.
        
        You believe that because Mr Farrar subtitled his blog ‘Fomenting happy mischief’, this was a personal invitation to you to post spam and trolling comments with impunity into perpetuity…
        
        It’s a curious interpretation, but perhaps you are correct, because the moderators seem to accept it…
        
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        January 3, 2023 7:27pm
      - kevn
        
        @mma… Start your own blogsite.
        
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        January 3, 2023 8:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        That’s very flattering, kevn, but seems like too much work.
        
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        January 3, 2023 8:46pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I think you’re confusing almost every person that ever visits this blog with “someone who gives a shit” about what you have to say
    
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    January 3, 2023 9:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Imagine the likes of Maggy Wassilieff, Benedict, Krazykiwi etc etc in parliament
  
  I would have loathed every minute of a Parliamentary/political career.
  
  (I was once asked to stand as a Green Candidate in local body elections … and I suspect the chap asking me to stand was a bit aghast when I informed him of my opinion of political folk).
  
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  January 3, 2023 4:21pm
- greybeard
  
  Interesting !
  I am 74.
  I have only ever voted for National, as that is the party which appears to have the same values in life as mine.
  I don’t care who their MPs may be, or who the potential Prime Minister may be: I vote for their principles.
  I vote for personal responsibility, for the government to stay out of my life as much as possible and for the government to act for the reduction of state welfare.
  
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  January 3, 2023 5:14pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    We used to have a commenter who would regularly cite the national party’s founding principles.
    
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    January 3, 2023 5:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Prisoners out of jail for New Year Eve?
Not even in NZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODlfNlWoD1g
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January 3, 2023 3:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://rumble.com/v21qrcc-gutfeld-slams-jan-6-committee-hacks.html
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January 3, 2023 3:56pm
kevn

Maggie Pie… Where art thou?
Miss your twitter links and entertaining family/friends dynamics.
At the beach place I suppose…
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January 3, 2023 4:19pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  At the tennis with the girls, obv.
  
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  January 3, 2023 9:01pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/130900161/race-driver-ken-block-dies-in-snowmobile-accident
How stupid.
What a senseless waste of talent.
Just the same as Possum Bourne years ago.
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January 3, 2023 5:01pm
kevn

@grey… and Peter Brock. Living on the edge can be hazardous.
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January 3, 2023 5:23pm
- Opie
  
  And Colin Mcrae…
  
  Somehow their deaths add to the legendary status but I’m sure everyone would rather have them back.
  
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  January 3, 2023 10:08pm
Keith White

A technically heavy read

https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798

but stripped of the immunospeak and condensed to its essentials; the mRNA vaccines are not only not doing (in terms of protecting the vaccinnated and stopping the spread) what we were told they do; they are doing actual harm to immune responsiveness and the harm increases with each booster.

Guess that is worth it, to get a knighthood and win another election. /sarc
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January 3, 2023 10:36pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The evidence is becoming impossible to ignore, except in Cindystan with the “single source of truth” where jabbing is still being actively pushed.
  Ardern’s legacy and that of her experts will be remembered for centuries. She’s got her name in the history books alright.
  
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  January 3, 2023 11:09pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It is ‘technically heavy’. I couldn’t get past the first sentence of the summary:
  
  RNA vaccines are efficient preventive measures to combat the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.
  
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  January 4, 2023 6:42am
ClanMcleod

The “anti vaxxers” are right.

A new Rasmussen report is out today. Rasmussen asked people about COVID vaccine deaths and polled them on whether vaccine dangers are baseless conspiracy theories.

The key findings are:

28% of adults say they personally know someone whose death was caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines, while 61% said no, and another 10% are not sure.

More people (48%) are concerned about Covid vaccine injuries than 37% who think that Covid vaccine injuries are conspiracy theories. The things we have discussed are no longer considered “conspiracies” and are believed by the majority! (thank you for spreading the word)

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/rasmussen-survey-on-covid-vaccine?utm_source=cross-post&publication_id=441185&post_id=94310568&isFreemail=false&utm_campaign=579085&utm_medium=email
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January 3, 2023 11:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You, or the substack entity that has provided this, has made small but significant edits in order to misrepresent the findings.
  
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  January 4, 2023 6:35am
Tauhei Notts

That earthquake struck 16km from my home. Android had a piece about it on my cell phone within 90 seconds of the shake.
Sometimes our bureaucracy works.
The shake was quite spooky.
My warped mind thought;
Ok, God. You’ve had your fun. Bring it to a stop, pal.
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