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krazykiwi

2023 – More and Less

More family & local community, less big tech

More research and critical thought, less airtime for self-righteous experts

More freedom, less State annexation of civil liberties

More private enterprise, less state bureaucracy

More honesty from leaders, less lying by prime ministers

More independent media, less state propaganda.

More national sovereignty, less ceding our futures to unelected global elites

More public resistance to tyranny, less mindless subservience

More leaders with principles, fewer leaders after ‘the centre’

More hope, courage and perseverance, less fearful compliance.

More fun, less anxiety.

Happy New Year, all.
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January 1, 2023 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Less lying by Prime Ministers. Which Countries. Surely not NZ, it won’t happen this year. More resistance to tyranny needs to happen big time.
  
  Anyway, Happy New Year to you and Family KK.
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thanks, Steve. Likewise to you and yours.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:21am
- Scott
  
  As we begin the New Year, as many of us head to church, as many of us reflect on the year that’s gone, it would be appropriate to reflect on the importance of free speech and the search for truth.
  What has amazed me is the amount of suppression of the truth that we have suffered here in New Zealand since March 2020. Regarding the most important issue of the day, covid, the government has insisted that they alone know the truth and anything else is misinformation.
  
  The government insisted that the vaccine was safe and effective for everyone. The government also insisted that no other treatments are any good. There was no debate allowed on this issue. Indeed the big tech social media giants worked hard to suppress any debate. Here in New Zealand no one in the media would allow any debate on other possible treatments, for example ivermectin.
  
  This article may be of interest – “A variety of treatments emerged while the covid virus was raging. They included Hydroxychloroquine and others, like Ivermectin. Liberals denounced Ivermectin as a “horse dewormer,” even though it had been approved by the FDA for human use. It turns out that “Ivermectin Is Safe and Effective.”
  
  In a meta-analysis of 63 studies of ivermectin versus COVID-19 in humans, 100% of these have shown positive results. Over the 63 studies in meta-analysis, pooled effects showed 69% improvement in early treatment, and prophylactic use showed 86% improvement. Of those studies in the meta-analysis that were peer-reviewed, overall improvement in early treatment was found to be 70% (64% in randomized controlled trials), and 86% of those in which ivermectin was used prophylactically showed improvement (84% in randomized controlled trials).
  
  Mortality from COVID-19 over all time periods of delay in treatment was 76% improved over controls (69% in randomized controlled trials), whereas mortality was improved 84% in early treatment of COVID-19 (82% in randomized controlled trials).
  
  It is estimated that the likelihood of an ineffective treatment showing such positive results as the above results in the 63 studies in the meta-analysis to date is exceedingly small. That probability is estimated to be one in one trillion.
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/12/why-free-speech-is-important.php
  
  It may surprise people to know that the number of covid deaths in New Zealand is now over 3500.
  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
  
  How many New Zealanders might not have died if they had been able to have prescribed other treatments such as ivermectin? This is why it’s important to have free speech. This is why it’s important to have debate. As the good book says, “you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Scott – good comments, but I would take the number of “covid deaths” with a very large pinch of salt.
    
    One of the biggest casualties in the last 3 years has been truth, and statistical manipulation has been one of the primary tools in this – along with the shill mainstream media and cowardly politicians.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Covid deaths is wholesale rubbish. My ex sister in law had invasive throat cancer for over 10 years. Only 52. She was in a Resthome, the Resthome got Covid and the sister inlaw died. Her death was listed as a Covid death. F! she died from cancer.
      
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      January 1, 2023 9:57am
      - Paulus
        
        My elderly cousin was defined as an Covid death but he has serious Parkinson for some years.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:30am
      - bennerg
        
        This is where it is important to understand that Covid-19, like pneumonia, is a tipping point affliction. In a healthy individual, it does not kill, at worst it gives you a bad week or so.
        
        In those with other comorbidities Covid-19 will like the coin tipping game, taking the individual to the edge, and in some, sadly, over it.
        
        It is only this view of what Covid-19 is all about that gives the lead as to how to deal with it:
        
        1) Encourage healthy lifestyle and habits (exercise, lose weight, healthy diet)
        2) Put a protective net around vulnerable individuals – mainly the elderly and infirm, and those others suffering specific ailments. For the rest, let ‘er rip.
        
        As a side issue, anything with a safety record, and low cost such as Ivermectin should have been fully embraced – even if only to work with 5% of individuals.
        
        The total focus on an unproven and untested product, worldwide for all individuals, is still something I cannot fatham logically, without coming to the conclusion of collusion at the highest level, with a less than ethical and benign purpose.
        
        As they say, “follow the money”, and for me that appears to provide the most sound understanding to what has gone on, and sadly continuing to do so.
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:22pm
  - Simon
    
    Early treatment was totally disregarded for the warp speed wonder juice. Many died as a result.
    
    There is a very long list of questions about zero covid and the boosted clown show that will never be answered. There will never be a proper assessment of the covid policies over the last 3 years.
    
    In summary though Govt is very stupid and largely garbage and many people are cattle.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I ordered Ivermectin from overseas as a prophylactic. I was unable to get it in NZ, even though it can be prescribed, doctors in NZ were basically barred from doing so or suffer severe punishment.
      Medsafe kindly destroyed my Ivermectin, a medication listed as “essential” on the WHO list, has won a Nobel prize and has been prescribed to billions without any problem whatsoever over the last 40 years or more.
      
      Instead, Medsafe attempted to coerce and bully me and my family into taking an experimental product which they never tested, yet told people over and over it was “safe and effective”.
      Of course we now know for a fact that this was a lie.
      
      And they wonder why so many people have lost all trust in the health system in NZ.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:35am
      - Keith White
        
        When I finally got back home after nearly a year, after “winning” the lockup quarantine lottery = Feb last year (actually still this year where I am working now) I brought ivermectin, azithromycin and chloroquine with me. NZ Customs took the lot, even though I had split the quantities between 2 suitcases and even though I had less than 40 tabs/ caps in total. B******d-coated b******s with a b*****d filling.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:39am
      - Jack5
        
        Clan McLeod’s …I ordered Ivermectin from overseas as a prophylactic
        
        Presumably, we can assume, Scotty, that the object was a prophylactic in the “vaccine’ sense rather than in the contraceptive sense? 🙃
        
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        January 1, 2023 11:45am
      - Don Beckett
        
        @Clan. I ordered Ivermectin through the main – only 20 tabs – from an out fit in Singapore (on line) and thery got through, so I told my mate, and he also aroded some & got it through. I guess we were lucky, but it was sent in just an ordinary enveloppe with the declaration calling them vitamin supplements.
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:36pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        ……through the MAIL – not main. 🙁
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:37pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Medsafe are far worse than useless and should be totally scrapped.
        
        Pharmac are little better and for once Stuff has a decent article today pointing out how disgustingly rubbish they are.
        
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        January 1, 2023 9:03pm
  - Alwynn
    
    While you are at church, and reflecting on the concept of free speech, you may care to remember Giordano Bruno who was condemned to be burnt at the stake by the church for daring to declare that the Earth was not at the centre of the Universe and that the Universe did not rotate around the Earth.
    This was in his day heresy and the pope of the time ordered that he be executed. He was burnt at the stake on 16 February 1600 in Rome.
    That is what the church did to a man who sought, and taught, the truth.
    Can you really still think the Free Speech is allowed by such organisations?
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:06am
    - krazykiwi
      
      The ‘church’ you refer to was effectively a government using religious power to dominate the anxiously subservient. Not really an equivalence for today’s local church.
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:04pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      You are very selective in your criticism Alwynn. Bruno was excomunicated by the Lutherans & the Calvinists, and may have been done so also by the Anglicans when he spent time in Elizabeth I’s England, who was merrily hang, drawing and quartering Catholic lay people & priests.
      Sadly, the 16th – 18th centuries were a very sad time for all Christians & Muslims – it was a bloodthirsty time with – from our modern perspective – much wrong being done on all sides, and that is without mentioning the Battle of Vienna & the Battle of Lepanto where the Catholic armies & fleet defeated Islam & prevented them from taking over Europe.
      Not a good time in history by anyone’s standards.
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:50pm
    - Scott
      
      Thanks for your comments Alwynn. Certainly burning people at the stake is not good. I’m not sure we’ve had any burnings at the stake at our church for a while? But I’ll check with one of our long serving elders and let you know if he can remember any? 😊
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:53pm
      - Swifty
        
        The fact that there has been no burnings at your church of late is because in the West clerics and churches have been defanged.
        
        It’s incumbent on us though to remember just how religious people acted before they were defanged and when they held the whip hand (we need only look to certain Islamic countries for recent examples) – and to do everything we can to prevent those days returning.
        
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        January 1, 2023 1:28pm
      - Scott
        
        Free speech only has come about in Christian societies. As we here in NZ become more godless we see a decline in free speech. You guys are completely misguided.
        Reasoned debate is a feature of Christian theology. Come let us reason together.
        Universities came about through Christian societies. Universal literacy in Christian societies.
        
        You guys should respect your Christian ancestors more.
        
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        January 1, 2023 3:27pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Very well said, Scott.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:04pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      400+ years ago, Alwynn. The Church has moved on. Perhaps you should do also. Plenty of more recent events to be concerned about.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:18pm
      - Alwynn
        
        The church has moved on! Well not very far.
        In 1992, after a mere 359 years they apologized for having condemned Galileo as a heretic and admitted that he might have had a point.
        Bruno on the other hand has never been considered as other than a heretic and the church has never shown any real sign of shame for their actions. The Jesuit cardinal who conducted his trial was canonized in 1930. Obviously he was thought to be a great chap.
        Bruno however is merely one of many people who organized religion has condemned. The last place one should go to to think about Free Speech is any place where religious observances are performed. Free Speech is anathema to religion in any shape or form.
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:13pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        “Free Speech is anathema to religion in any shape or form”
        
        I politely suggest you read a bit about the life of Jesus Christ. If ever there was an advocate of free speech, he was it.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:04pm
    - kowtow
      
      Could say exactly the same thing about just about any institution from 400 years ago , including the Crown all the way down to the civil courts.
      
      Society has changed , state institutions have and wowoh wow , so has the Catholic Church .
      
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      January 1, 2023 5:03pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Scott,
    
    Good points.
    
    It should also be pointed out to those who don’t believe about Ivermectin that:
    
    [1] Ivermectin’s track record is such that safety was established in 1983, when it got approval for use in humans, after 17 years of research and years of approved use in animals. AND its 37 history of safety in humans.
    
    [2] If something is intrinsically safe, like Ivermectin, but supposedly not effective (however Ivermectin is effective) then there is no danger. Drinking a glass of whiskey when you have toothache may not be effective but is safe. You don’t see a total nationwide ban on Whiskey in case people drink it when they have toothache.
    
    [3] Ivermectin may have first been approved for use in animals, but considering human approval and long use of Ivermectin, denouncing Ivermectin as a “horse dewormer”, makes as much sense as denouncing Kelloggs Sultana Bran as pig or horse food. Bran was first used as animal feed.
    
    “You eating Sultana Bran – that’s stock food, and you ain’t a horse or a hen. Stop it.”
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:55am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Warfarin was originally formulated as rat poison. Turned out to have more than one use.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:20pm
  - Jim
    
    Yep Scott, but (as many informed people know) that approach would have stymied the fundamental legal basis of the ‘Urgent Emergency Authorisation’ to proceed with a Stage 3 trial of novel mRNA vaccine products.
    
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    January 1, 2023 1:05pm
    - Matt Long
      
      In order for TINA to apply all alternatives had to be suppressed.
      
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      January 1, 2023 5:01pm
- pdm
  
  `less airtime for self righteous experts’
  
  Namely Michael Baker and Siouxie Wiles and the other Covid muppets – I presume.
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:31am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  More people not hiding behind anonymous comments in which they continually criticise others.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:09am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I res~~ent~~emble that remark.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:17am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Self awareness, Mikey, uptick from me. Happy New Year.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:21pm
  - Simon
    
    lol – obsessive compulsive about KK’s name. Thats why so many are anon.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I think you’ll find that yesterday I wished you a prosperous and happy new year, Brian. You must have missed it. It is disappointing when unilateral detente goes unreciprocated.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:20am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Detente can’t be unilateral. See unilateral disarmament as an example.
      
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      January 1, 2023 9:27am
      - Matt Long
        
        Just a while ago Mike you were telling is the definitions of words evolve over time, are we a pedant this year?
        
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        January 1, 2023 9:54am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m sure the meaning of detente has changed over time and may well change further. In current English, of whichever dialect, krazykiwi’s usage make no sense, but perhaps his influence will make its mark on dictionaries in the future.
        
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        January 1, 2023 9:58am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And don’t write ‘pedant’ as if it were a bad thing.
        
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        January 1, 2023 9:59am
      - Steve Todd
        
        And don’t write ‘pedant’ as if it were a bad thing.
        
        Hear, hear! 😀
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Brain, there are many reasons some do not use their own name. Usually business types, sensitive job types, official Govt employees.
    It is their choice NOT yours. Go have a think about that.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:01am
    - Keith White
      
      I used to use my real name, then got doxxed, but the worst thing was our kids got harassed at their school by faculty not just other kids. That was that.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:41am
    - HardAsTooth
      
      I have to write under a pseudonym. My true identity is a government secret I have sworn never to reveal. Plus, political blogs tend to attract nutters.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They sure do attract nutters……
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:17pm
  - RockyJ
    
    I bitch about cogovernance on LinkedIn using my real name because none of my Maori relatives are on LinkedIn. I don’t know their position on this issue but I suspect one at least is donkey deep.
    Using a pseudonym on Kiwiblog is mostly habit but I do go a bit more feral.
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:55am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Brian
    
    Intelligent people, skilled in critical thinking, judge and determine the veracity and truthfulness of a statement or proposition based on the specifics and merits of that statement or proposition and how it relates to established science and / or reality.
    
    Unintelligent or people lacking in critical thinking skills, who are unable to process or evaluate specifics, predominantly rely on who said the statement and/or presented the proposition, instead of the content of the statement or proposition itself.
    
    If you wish to be a critical thinker and increase your intelligence, I suggest you aspire to focusing on the subject matter, not who said it.
    
    If you disagree, and want to stand on your dignity of only treating with any respect statements not made by anonymous people, I suggest your burn your bibles and any religious treatise, give away any books by Shakespeare and other authors that were pen names or front men to the real writers, and give away your TV set.
    
    The entire climate change argument that 97% of scientists agree on climate change is based on anonymous scientists and their statements. No-one has been able to find the 97%. They are invisible.
    
    Likewise, the entire mRNA vaccine “safety” statement was based on anonymous Pfizer testing, that was embargoed for 75 years.
    
    I disagree with you stance on KrazyKiwi, but given your stance of not buying into anonymous people and therefore by logical extension, anonymous scientists and anonymous and coveted vaccine data and trials, at least you agree with that the man-made climate change theory is a gigantic con, as is Covid and the mRNA vaccine.
    
    Unless of course, you have selective bias and operate on biased expediency instead of principle.
    
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    January 1, 2023 12:19pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Dunno. If there was a public gathering where a respected and intelligent (unnamed) person was going to give a talk on something …
      
      And I went to it. And the speaker was behind a screen using a voice alterer so one could not figure age or gender or whatever of said speaker …
      
      And if I asked a question I would discover the audience had lots of hooded folk who would then get stuck into my intelligence, breeding etc.
      
      Would I feel I had learned something or would all I remember is the weird surroundings?
      
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      December 1, 2022 7:28pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Ian, that’s quite a vivid imagination you have there, sir. As an aside, I have been on a jury where a key witness was behind a screen and their name was withheld from the jurors. Their testimony was no less powerful than had they been fresh faced and named.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:11pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        And people worship deities they have never seen, met or had a phone call with, send emails to people in business they have never met, or God forbid, chat to people on Facebook and twitter who they have never met and have a profile that could be fake.
        
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        January 2, 2023 12:38am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Happy New Year KK – All good stuff.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:15am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Thanks, Clan. Hoping the 23 is an improvement for you and your clan.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:22am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Thank you. And you and yours!
      
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      January 1, 2023 9:32am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  krazykiwi – please add:
  
  More taxes, less take home pay.
  
  Wishing you a happy new year from Queen Jacinda & Her cronies.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:25am
  - Paulus
    
    New Redundency tax will help that as a direct additonal tax on each employee’s wage packet, and also the employer.
    Will be easy to Scam, like cough cough, phone, no medical check, and 6 days off.
    Believe it is currently rife, and after the New Year break will be plentyful too!
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:35am
- Jimbob
  
  Be good if they all came true, but I’m sure 2024 we will see most of these predictions come true.
  Happy new year to all kiwibloggers. 🙂
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:33am
- bjools
  
  Hope against hope
  That this years election will be treated like a job interview and not a sporting event of circus performance.
  
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  January 1, 2023 12:31pm
- Fisiani2
  
  predictions for 2023
  1. National will win the election
  2. National will win the Hutt and Ohariu seats off Labour
  3. I will get balder
  4. eggs will be even harder to get
  5. my new text book will be published
  
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  January 1, 2023 3:02pm
Tomtoddy

Only one wish for 2023 worth making – change of government. It’s more of an imperative rather than a wish.
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January 1, 2023 8:01am
- Simon
  
  Labour are utter garbage and their removal would be a lift for the country. However increasingly the orders and instructions for NZ parliament and bureaucracy are coming internationally without regard to what the people of NZ want or vote for.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:24am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Tomtoddy – Yes in 2035, just 12 more years to go. Hang in there.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:25am
Luke Piewalker

Stuffs political predictions … Andrew Little overworked and under valued …

Hahahahahaha. Just picking myself up off the floor from laughing.
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January 1, 2023 8:05am
- SmokerGuy
  
  I read that too, what planet do they live on? Little has completely fucked our health system and all he can do is blame it on national. Just a complete numpty
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:39am
- Simon
  
  Not even the resident Labo fluffers can down click this.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:24am
- KiwiSapper
  
  Of course Stuff will continue to suckle at the tit from which flows “kindness” and more importantly money. Right up until the moment of death of that particular cow, which can not be one moment too soon.
  Then the contortions, not the death contortion of the cow but of Stuff will commence with a frenzy of misinformation on how they always were and still are a staunch and true stalwart of the Fourth Etate, in a puerile and ineffective attempt to find another mammary gland.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:40am
artemisia

Various pundits on 2023 in Stuff. The word ‘division’ figures prominently. And there’s the R words. No mention of the other dividing R word, the 3000lb gorilla in the room. The pundits prefer examples of division like grocery bills and people living in homes with too many bedrooms.

Bagrie says “I call the next few years the three Rs: reset, reality and some real hard mahi.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300772268/economic-soothsayer-says-2023-will-mix-economic-and-social-division-with-wonderful-opportunities
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January 1, 2023 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Grief..
  
  Not the Great Reset….
  https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:23am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Sometimes used as a synonym for the ‘great replacement’ conspiracy theory.
    
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    January 1, 2023 8:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Did someone tell the King?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRPQqfwwuhU
      
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      January 1, 2023 8:57am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You might need to quote from that video. I ain’t watching his babblings.
        
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        January 1, 2023 9:15am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @milky
        
        You don’t watch videos or docos that are contrary to your beliefs, but when someone posts something from said video or docos, you trash it anyway.
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:29pm
      - I remember when
        
        I wonder if the ‘Climate Change’ promoters realise how much of their musing not wasting our time would negate.
        
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        January 1, 2023 1:42pm
    - than
      
      If you ever watched a video or read anything in relation to it, you’d realize it’s never been used as a synonym at all.
      
      The Great Reset is akin to Mao’s Great Leap Backwards.
      https://mises.org/wire/great-leap-backward
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maggy – they can’t help themselves.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:03am
  - Simon
    
    Isnt WEF just a networking event for utter wankers?
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:36am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      You’re thinking of the Labour Party Conference.
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:46pm
- backster
  
  Is the Mike Munro whose views are quoted the former press officer for Helen Clark and chief of staff for Ardern…Just asking.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:29am
- crikey
  
  I’m all for mahi mahi.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Depends whether you are doing the mahi mahi or whether you are being f**ked over.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:58am
  - Ghost
    
    Meant to taste beautiful. Looks like a beautiful fish anyway.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:03am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Depends how it is cooked, doesn’t it?
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:03am
- Paulus
  
  I assume mahi is a food – where can I buy some ?
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:37am
  - Ghost
    
    Hawaii.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:40am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Lol. That made me chuckle. Also can pop down to your local restaurant in Samoa and have mahi-mahi (aka dolphin fish) for dinner. I can recommend it when next on tropical holiday.🏝️🐟🌺🥥 🌴🍹🐠🎣👍🏻
      
      Happy New Year pescatarian and other KB’ers. Wishing you all a great 2023.
      
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      January 2, 2023 1:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mahimahi in Hawaiian is the Dolphin Fish.
    
    Mahimahi means something quite different in te Reo
    
    https://maoridictionary.co.nz/search?idiom=&phrase=&proverb=&loan=&histLoanWords=&keywords=Mahimahi+
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:43am
    - Ghost
      
      Ah, thanks for the laugh
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:51am
    - JackRabbit
      
      And according to Google translate it means “work”.
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:31pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What about the government’s racist division?
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:49am
  - Random T Person
    
    They have a whole division for that?
    
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    January 1, 2023 5:33pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The Maori caucus – division being the operative word
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:47pm
artemisia

My 2023 wish for the country. Before every Cabinet, Caucus or Council meeting, the ceremonial unfurling of the (homemade) banner that says –

Does it make the boat go faster?
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January 1, 2023 8:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I so wish that National ditches the ‘wellbeing’ rubbish and restores maximising GDP per capita as the metric by which policies are assessed.
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:27am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    That’s a novel idea, Benedict, so could not be ‘restored’. I don’t think governments anywhere are very keen on goals over which they have so little control.
    
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    January 1, 2023 8:37am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Well the Treasury disagrees with you. Even if Grant Robertson does not care much.
      
      “Monetary and fiscal policies work together to support overall macroeconomic stability. Macroeconomic stability – the predictability in variables including real output growth, inflation, and the current account deficit – can support resource allocation choices, investment, and economic growth.”
      
      https://www.treasury.govt.nz/information-and-services/nz-economy/reviewing-new-zealands-macroeconomic-frameworks#why
      
      Between 1999 and 2010, the Treasury published reams of papers about the role of Government in supporting growth and how New Zealand could do better. For example…
      
      “Theory and evidence suggest that it is possible for large governments to undermine economic growth due to the economic costs of raising taxation to finance expenditure. There is strong evidence that taxes reduce economic growth through their negative impact on incentives to work, save and invest.”
      
      https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/tp/government-and-economic-growth-does-size-matter-tp11-01
      
      Your claim that Government has no role in promoting GDP growth is pretty silly. It is one of the core roles of Government. At least it used to be so. Hopefully that goal will be restored along with the policies to achieve it.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:31am
      - Mike
        
        I made no such claim, Benedict. Not many people read treasury papers – they are mostly very boring and often nonsensical.
        I am merely noting that no NZ government has ever commited to a goal of raising GDP per capita. Also I predict none ever will, as it is too easy to measure and hard to game.
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:12pm
      - I remember when
        
        ‘taxes reduce economic growth through their negative impact on incentives to work, save and invest.’
        And, by association help left wing governments keep the working class population working class.
        
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        January 1, 2023 1:53pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Mike, maybe our real per Capita GDP has fallen so far because governments have not set increasing it as a goal.
        Although if this government had set increasing GDP per Capita as a goal it would have halved by now.
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        GDP per capita has fallen steadily in NZ relative to the ‘developed’ world for over 40 years ~~despite~~ because of deliberate decisions by successive governments.
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Of course they will, just like they are giving back the reserve bank their proper job of keeping inflation down, and getting rid of Robertsons poverty part of the equation which has helped create the inflation as RBNZ wanted to push up interest rates sooner but we’re hamstrung
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Didn’t we have a referendum in 2015 that showed no one cared very much about flags.
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    No milky, it was a referendum regarding changing the NZ flag. It very much showed that people do care otherwise presumably they wouldn’t have spent the time and energy into holding a referendum.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:13am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      ClanMclod must be either very young or very old if he can’t remember any other similarly useless referenda we have been subjected to over the years.
      
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      January 1, 2023 9:55am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Well I do remember that the results of every single Citizen Initiated Referendum have been ignored by politicians so you may be right that they are useless. But your earlier comment was that no one cared very much which clearly isn’t true.
        
        It takes time, energy and money to make one happen particularly with a CIR.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:02am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You might recall that the flag referenda were not citizen-initiated. They were, ostensibly, serious government policies.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:05am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Why do lefties think a referendum is useless just because they don’t want the change
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:55am
      - JackRabbit
        
        @G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Lefties think referendums are useless because they don’t want the public to have a voice. Lefties prefer the steam roller or political rape approach.
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:37pm
  - marleybob
    
    48 per cent is not, no body cares mm
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:22am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I wrote no one cared very much. Also shown by no interest whatsoever since from anyone in the very odd idea of changing the flag.
      
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      January 1, 2023 9:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI8gsj2OCL0
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:39am
Taieri

And for 2023, an introduction of a new category of honours: the King’s Order for Services to Truth.

Any nominations?
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January 1, 2023 8:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Benedict Yu 🙂
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:28am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Some criteria would need to be set, including defining ‘truth’ and ‘services’. Also, no self-nominations.
    
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    January 1, 2023 8:43am
    - MCōs
      
      Damn
      
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      January 1, 2023 9:41am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        We could nominate each other.
        
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        January 1, 2023 9:44am
      - Cinematic
        
        How cute.
        
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        January 1, 2023 9:49am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Nominating each other is match fixing/collusion. That is a rule. My rule.
        
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        January 2, 2023 1:57am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Did you see the smiley face? It was a joke. Must be a cultural miscommunication.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:32am
      - Mike
        
        Jokes are best made unambiguously, or intentionally ambiguous. Smiley faces can convey many meanings.
        
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        January 1, 2023 1:18pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Some criteria would need to be set, including defining ‘truth’…
      
      Objective Truth is already defined. Get a dictionary. However under this govt, “truth” is whatever issues from the dictators mouth. And that came from the dictators mouth.
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:40pm
      - Mike
        
        You don’t make much sense. You seem to be implying our government is led by a ‘dictator’. But even you must be aware that NZ is very far from being a dictatorship, having a much more liberal onstitution that most democracies.
        
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        January 1, 2023 1:24pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Mike
        
        But even you must be aware that NZ is very far from being a dictatorship, having a much more liberal onstitution that most democracies. That is your opinion.
        
        You seem to have forgotten “We are the single source of truth” and everything else is false / disinformation / misinformation / signs of a terrorist / need to be dobbed in.
        
        At what percentage of dictatorial action do you believe a leader has to exceed before you define they are a dictator? 10%, 20% 50%?
        
        Or for that matter any abusive action? Does a wife beater only become a wife beater only when he beats his wife more than 3 days a month, or 3 days a week? Up until then he is a good guy?
        
        What about unnecessary lockdowns, death by vaccine side effects, the banning of oil and gas exploration without consultation?
        
        What about keeping NZ in a state of emergency when there is no emergency?
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:08pm
  - David Lenny
    
    Benedict, there should be a Kiwiblog Order for Services to Truth, for which I would be happy to nominate you, against some very tough competition in 2022 – thank you cmm, Yvette and several others, but I would like to commend you for your informative and interesting tales adding to the oeuvre initiated by Conan Doyle 130 years ago with his classic, The Red-Headed League.
    
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    January 1, 2023 2:30pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “It is quite a three-pipe problem”
      
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      January 1, 2023 4:24pm
  - O C Smith
    
    I’ll 2nd that Benedict
    
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    January 1, 2023 6:08pm
- backster
  
  Willie or Nanaia but only to correct racial imbalance.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:33am
- Ghost
  
  Jacinda Ardern for services to the world on showing what a pathological liar is, allowing others to strive to know what the truth is rather than a believe her
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyone who says that questioning them is questioning science itself cannot be regarded as a scientist.
Elon Musk poking the borax at Fauci. Fauci owes the World an apology for his lies.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1608188826291167242
https://finishtherace.com/eric/not-a-scientist-musk-torches-fauci-cannot-be-regarded-as-a-scientist
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- mikenmildagain
  
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  What does Musk owe the world?
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Respect to those who helped he get where he is.
    
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    January 1, 2023 12:18pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Right now, it is not what Musk owes the world, it is what the world owes Musk.
    
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    January 2, 2023 1:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  An apology isn’t close to enough. He needs to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison and hopefully the guards don’t fall asleep and the cameras stop working….
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:55am
- HardAsTooth
  
  What did Fauci lie about?
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Is that a rhetorical question? If you’re serious, a 10 second google search will get you the answer. Start with masks.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:37am
    - HardAsTooth
      
      No, it was just a question. I don’t use google. I do use duckduckgo, but I was never much for doing homework.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:07am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Is that you Jaspinda?
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:28am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        HardAsTooth – 2 critical things Fauci lied about. The funding of Gain of Function Research and masks don’t work/do work.
        Either should be enough to get someone fired from their job. There are plenty of other lies. Those you’ll have to find for yourself, I am not doing other people’s research for them.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:38am
    - Jim
      
      Ha what a duplicitous idiot and his medical Hokey Cokey……you put your face mask on, your face mask off……
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:11pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Where do we start? You won’t catch COVID if jabbed, covid never started in a lab in Wuhan, masks don’t work, then masks must be compulsory, then you must double mask, he is as much of a liar as Sir Bloomfield
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:01am
- JackRabbit
  
  Anyone who says that questioning them is questioning science itself has a gigantic ego, and rates themselves as being more perfect than a God.
  
  I’m not a church goer, but from my recollections, in the bible only the Devil was egotistical enough to say he was better than God.
  
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  January 1, 2023 12:44pm
  - Mike
    
    You might have been thinking about Lennon’s famous quote about the Beatles.
    
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    January 1, 2023 1:27pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      I’m not aware of a “Lennon” or a “Beatles” in the Bible. Please provide books, chapters, and page numbers in the King James version.
      
      Or if it is an LSD inspired re-write, please provide publisher details, or preferred brand of opioids you use to conjure up Lennon and Beatles while reading the Bible.
      
      I for one, do not need to be told by you what I meant when I write something. How arrogant of you.
      
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      January 1, 2023 5:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        [Mod – stop trolling]
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:27pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m very sorry, JackRabbit. Just my personal opinion that John Lennon had the same sort of divine inspiration that provided the authors of the Bible to thei literary gems.
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:46pm
peterwn

With all the baggage problems at airports I was reminded of the SF story ‘A Subway Named Mobius’ where the ‘connectivity’ of Boston’s subway system became so great that trains were disappearing into another dimension only to reappear at some point (and the MIT mathematics genius who could help was on one of the missing trains). Perhaps airport baggage systems have become so complicated that a similar phenomenon is occurring.
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January 1, 2023 8:18am
Suze Wainwright

Is aotearoa progressive enough to celebrate an All Black and his husband having a child…?
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January 1, 2023 8:28am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Funny word that – progressive. Like most Newspeak it generally means the exact opposite of what it purports to mean.
  
  For example, if homosexuality – an aberration of nature – became widespread say, 150 years ago, none of us would be here to debate the merits of an All Black doing anything. There wouldn’t be any All Blacks, or people for that matter – we would have rendered ourselves extinct within a couple of generations. Doesn’t sound very progressive to me.
  
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  January 1, 2023 11:53pm
Im Right

Labour, and the left in general, are starting 2023 in political trouble….my predictions:
1: Labour will get nastier and personal as their poll numbers continue to be poor.
2: Ardern will step down as PM for family reasons in Mar/Apr if poll numbers continue to fall. (citing Neive as being 5 now…school etc)
3: maori party will make many outlandish statements/announcements to keep them in the news.
4: Additional to #2….if Arden doesn’t step down (polls improve) she will shed (fake) tears in debates to show how much she cares about NZ and her ongoing help of child poverty.
4: Winston will beat the racial drum regarding maori and get offside with every party on the left. (But Labour will still not rule him out of a coalition)
5: There will be a sacking of a sitting MP by election day.
6: National and ACT will form the next Govt, Invite NZ1st to be part but not actually needing them….Winston will refuse.
7: Covid will continue to be everywhere but people get a more ‘meh’ attitude towards it and treat it as we have done with the flu for decades.
8: The Labour maori caucus fractures and loses the power they had in 2022, Jackson gets demoted/sidelined for repeated outlandish comments.
9: NZ economy in freefall, house price falls stabilise but inflation still a big problem, Orr still raises OCR.
10: NZ in recession/stagflation.
11: Mortgagee sales hit highest ever recorded, surpassing GFC.

Feel free to add anything you believe 2023 has in store, politically or otherwise….
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January 1, 2023 8:30am
- The Boss
  
  No 6. Winston will not be in parliament. Cannot understand why many people think he will be there.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:21am
  - G152
    
    I want to see them poll 4.99999999 on election night. NZ Last
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Even better, 5% on election night, 4.9% after specials Bwhaha, could you imagine the hatred and sneering?
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:07am
    - Jim
      
      Yep Winston’s own vanity started the Ardern wrecking ball.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:14pm
  - HardAsTooth
    
    I don’t have much time for the man himself, but there is value in having NZF in Parliament. Labour in coalition with Winnie was merely incompetent. Without him they are both incompetent and dangerous. In coalition with the Greens or the MP they would be a nightmare.
    
    Still, at this point it would be a miracle if the next government is not National + ACT.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:32am
    - Random T Person
      
      A miracle?
      
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      January 1, 2023 5:42pm
  - Im Right
    
    Then put up your own 2023 predictions Boss….I’ll start you off 🙂
    1: NZ1st will not make the 5% threshold.
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    January 1, 2023 10:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Not only Musk. DeSantis is calling out Fauci. “The vaccines are lifesaving” my left tit.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/desantis-urging-covid-investigation-puts-fauci-defensive-problem-vaccines
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- mikenmildagain
  
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  I’m still waiting for Trump to tell us things about DeSantis that won’t be very flattering. Trump knows more about DeSantis than anybody other than perhaps Casey DeSantis, who is really running the DeSantis campaign.”
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:51am
  - HardAsTooth
    
    To be fair, TrumpyDumpy has a lot on his mind, like the possibility he may end up in prison.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The item is about DeSantis and Fauci. Where the fuck does Trump fit in?
    Idiot
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:31am
    - Mike
      
      [Mod – stop trolling]
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:28pm
Yvette

New Year thought in the morning shower
If the Treaty of Waitangi was truly this nation’s Founding Document, shouldn’t it read a little more like the United States Constitution, and actually include the now 83 percent population portion which is nether Maori nor Crown.

So, in fact, the Treaty is just a Real-Estate Agreement – and a bloody badly written one at that – otherwise the United States of America Constitution would have been between George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and the Cherokee Chiefs, Cree, Chickasaw. Seminole and a few others ?
Isn’t it?
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- mikenmildagain
  
  It is true that the US government has a long history of making formal treaties with Native American nations and then disregarding those same treaties when it suited.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:20am
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    mma: “Bury my heart at Wounded Knee” by Dee Brown is a very good read about the native American nations and their treatment by the US Government.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Wonderful book.
      
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      January 1, 2023 9:43am
    - kowtow
      
      Any books about how the “native’ American “nations” treated each other.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:01pm
      - Mike
        
        I’ll Google that for you.
        
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        January 1, 2023 1:29pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/news-wires-white-papers-and-books/native-american-warfare-east-mourning-wars
        Sorry for the delay, kowtow. Anything else you need researching?
        
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        January 1, 2023 4:33pm
- Ehlana
  
  I think the Treaty of Waitangi was an attempt to do better than had been done before, which is in itself a sign of progress. But progress isn’t linear, it’s more like a tide – it advances and recedes in waves, while still moving in its ultimate direction.
  
  The Treaty is not a Constitution. It wasn’t meant to be, or it would have been called that. It doesn’t detail how government is to be carried out, nor does it have any provision for amendment.
  
  To me, it puts governance in the hands of the Crown, guarantees Maori continued ownership of their property and gives them the rights and privileges of (then British, now New Zealand) citizenship.
  
  The sovereignty question is interesting, because while once it might have been seen as resting with the Crown on one side and Maori chiefs on the other, ideas have changed since then. British history is a tidal movement of extension of sovereignty – from the sovereign alone to all adult citizens. Since the Treaty gave Maori equal standing with British subjects, that surely means that today they all share in that equal sovereignty of the adult citizen. Any move toward chiefly rule is a step backwards from that. It disenfranchises non-chiefly Maori as much as it disenfranchises non-Maori New Zealanders.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:05am
  - HardAsTooth
    
    And yet, various naughty academics and activists insist on treating it as a constitutional document. You are right, it’s not, nor should it ever be.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:14am
  - Yvette
    
    Ehlana – To me, it puts governance in the hands of the Crown, guarantees Maori continued ownership of their property and gives them the rights and privileges of (then British, now New Zealand) citizenship.
    
    And perhaps a factor not often referred to is , at the time of signing, Maori (as subjects) out-numbered new immigrants, Maori being a majority, but now through population growth and inter-marriage, the percentage of population portion has changed, actually reversed – a simple fact if history
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:40am
  - Taieri
    
    The sovereignty question is interesting, because while once it might have been seen as resting with the Crown on one side and Maori chiefs on the other, ideas have changed since then.
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    It would be useful to examine the concept of “the Crown”.
    Easy to determine what it was in 1840, but what it is now?
    A British Monarch? The NZ Government? If the latter, which is elected by universal, popular vote, where does it put Maori voters with respect to the ToW, as the vast majority of them vote for mainstream parties?
    Or perhaps all of us? But then, the best place for the ToW is in a museum…
    
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    January 1, 2023 6:16pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      NZ’s constitution, similar to the UK’s, is a mixture of written and unwritten rules. There are NZ statutes which contain formal elements of the constitution, bits of old English legislation that have been explicitly retained in our law, pieces of common law, written and unwritten conventions, treaties and conventions that have been made part of our constitution, etc, etc.
      The TOW is clearly not a constitution for a polity but is interpreted in similar ways to broadly contemporary documents of enduring historical, and constitutional, significance. I’d venture to suggest that it will remain so unless an overwhelming majority of our elected representatives decides otherwise.
      
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      January 1, 2023 7:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The United States Constitution is well written. The TOW is a badly written real estate document, yes.
  NZ did not have Forefathers anywhere near what the US had.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:37am
  - HardAsTooth
    
    We did have Foremothers though.
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:03am
    - Mike
      
      Abigail Adams?
      
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      January 1, 2023 2:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        See Mike. I had no idea who that was, but you do with your knowledge.
        That is why I uptick you. Rarely bother with downticks, it is childish.
        
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        January 1, 2023 4:46pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Their son was quite clever too, and with a nice turn of phrase:
        
        The art of making love, muffled up in furs, in the open air, with the thermometer at Zero, is a Yankee invention.”
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:01pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Really ? What gender did they claim & what was it’s pronoun? 🙂
      
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      January 1, 2023 3:00pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Holy mother church?
        
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        January 1, 2023 4:34pm
Scooter

Another prediction missed for 2023 is if Scott Watson will win his appeal case in May. Interesting how a person in NZ can be sentenced for 17 years then kept in prison for another 5 years (at least) until he admits he’s guilty. But 501’s might soon be allowed to come to NZ free of any restrictions and not needing to continue any Parole restrictions they had in OZ.
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January 1, 2023 8:40am
- Tony Stuart
  
  He was actually sentenced to life, with a minimum non-parole period of seventeen years. There was no obligation for the Parole Board to release him then, or any time.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:13am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Scott Watson must love it in prison if he wants to stay there indefinitely instead of meeting the usual conditions for murderers to be paroled.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:23am
  - Scooter
    
    Like admitting guilt if they’re not? Surely at sentencing they should have said to him unless you admit guilt at the Parole hearing expect to stay in prison.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:43am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You could read the sentencing notes, but I think this is made clear to murderers and other felons by the parole board.
      
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      January 1, 2023 4:35pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Like Peter Ellis, for example, imprisoned for crimes that not only did he not commit, they couldn’t possibly have occurred. Yes, I know he’s not a murderer like David Bain, for example, but in many eyes kiddy-fiddlers are worse than murderers, and especially so in prisons (I’m told).
    
    Ellis refused to admit his guilt and stopped going to parole hearings, he served every day of his sentence and nobody – prisoner or screw, laid a finger on i the entire time – and he refused to go into segregation.
    
    So the fact you refuse to admit guilt does not necessarily mean you like prison.
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:59pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Fair point.
      
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      January 2, 2023 5:56am
Tasman devil

Before the year is out our agenda
pushing “journalists” will be referring to
our leader as Rangatira Prime Minister.

Remember last year they changed our name
to Aotearoa New Zealand.

They forget that their job is to report what
is going on and not to push agendas.
I forgive them for being unaware that
the word “news” is an acronym for
north, east, west, and south.

Their job is to report on what is happening in
the north , east, south, and west and not be
influencers.

Sadly, most “journalists” think their job is
to shape the world to their world view.

Their job is not to promote everything having
a te reo alternative name but they get paid for
such activism.

Their continual pushing of stories about gays,
transsexuals , and Muslims is all rather
tedious.
Why not report on them and heterosexuals
and Anglicans?

When I last looked we had more of
the latter and less of former.
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January 1, 2023 8:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Tell me more about what’s going on with the Anglicans, gays, transexuals and Muslims. Sounds interesting and I haven’t seen anything in the paper about it.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:25am
- HardAsTooth
  
  Well, just a guess, but I suspect the former is more entertaining, and latter less so. What, for example, would they write about the Anglicans? Had tea, watched the cricket, thanked god for the king, had more tea?
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:54am
  - Jack5
    
    HardAsTooth’s … Had tea, watched the cricket …
    
    Sounds like Milky. a.k.a. Milkenmildagain/Mike. 🏏
    He finds plenty to write about …
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:56am
    - HardAsTooth
      
      Well, tea is a very dangerous narcotic.
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:05am
      - Mike
        
        Especially dangerous if the ship’s computer is called upon to advise about making it properly.
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:21pm
- MCōs
  
  My passports have said Aotearoa on the cover for the last ten years.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No it does not. It’s says both New Zealand and Aeoteraroa, don’t take our hope we are still nz away yet
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:12am
    - MCōs
      
      I didn’t say NZ wasn’t also on the the cover of the passport.
      I was replying to Tasman Devil who seems to infer the combination of the two only started in general use last year.
      The banknotes also have Aotearoa.
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:56am
  - Jack5
    
    The use of “Aotearoa” as well as “New Zealand” on the passport cover isn’t as pointless as the use of “uruwhenua” for the passport itself.
    
    English text throughout is translated in parallel Maori blocks of text.
    
    “Aotearoa” on the passport cover may have some marketing use, but the Maori text is pointless when fewer than 0.005 per cent of the world’s people speak Maori, and they nearly all live in New Zealand and also speak English, the international language of travel.
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:20am
    - Mike
      
      No one will force you to read a passport, Jack.
      
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      January 1, 2023 2:22pm
- Ghost
  
  Do you read the news? The vast majority of the news is on heterosexuals.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do the Passports even mention New Zealand?
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:40am
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, still on the front cover and inside.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That must be so overseas Border Security can understand.
        Tell Alaska Airport Security you are from Aotearoa and you might be having a chat with a Sheriff or US Marshal.
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        You do realise Steve the USA embassy in nz calls it Aotearoa New Zealand?
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:33pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Ghost @ 12:33PM
        Those at the US Embassy are Biden appointees, what else would you expect?
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        That must be a local thing, Ghost.
        
        No “Aotearoa” in the American official list of embassies:
        
        https://www.usembassy.gov/new-zealand/
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:46pm
      - Ghost
        
        They use it in their press releases
        
        https://nz.usembassy.gov/u-s-admiral-aquilino-visits-new-zealand/?_ga=2.5327286.446138585.1672529484-1931979085.1672529484
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ghost, and from your link they have the US Ambassador using it when he welcomes an American admiral.
        
        Time to get the anti-Woke team in America on the case?
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        I haven’t found yet any other embassy that does it
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Ghost. The Press releases more than likely go past an Editor, who pumps in the word ‘Aotearoa’ whenever they can.
        Us Embassy appointed by Biden Admin.
        Just as NZ Media clowns are appointed by Jaspinda’s “donation”
        Right?
        
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        January 1, 2023 4:53pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Arsenal extend their lead at the top.

Happy days.
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January 1, 2023 8:47am
- Tony Stuart
  
  As a Gunners fan of more than 50 years, I’m not getting excited yet, but they are certainly playing some terrific football.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:23am
- plc
  
  Arsenal fans haven’t been this excited since they were Chelsea fans
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:46am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Speak for yourself! Some of us have 50+ years in the bank. COYG!
    
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    January 1, 2023 1:31pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Typical Woolwich – shouting the odds with the season not yet half-way through!
  
  You’re 7 points clear it’s true, but perhaps have short memories. As recently as 2020/21, Liverpool were 7 points ahead of the ultimate winners, Man C at the same time – and Liverpool finished 17 points behind City at the end.
  
  The same had already happened to Liverpool in 2018/19 – again ahead by 7 and could’ve extended to 10 if they’re beaten Man City on January 3. They lost, and lost the title by a point. If you think City can’t win enough games in a row and make a race of it, you’re ignoring history.
  
  Especially if Arsenal’s confidence gets dented – they have two big fixtures next, a very good Newcastle side with only one loss all season at home, and a tricky visit across town to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in a couple of weeks.
  
  The season’s by no means over after only 16 of 38 games.
  
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  January 2, 2023 12:27am
Tony Stuart

I’m not making any New Year resolutions this year.

After what’s been dished up to us in 2020, 2021 and 2022, I strongly believe it’s the YEAR that needs to change its behaviour, not me!
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January 1, 2023 8:47am
- mikenmildagain
  
  In Soviet Russia you do not make New Year resolutions. Glorious Leader’s New Year resolutions make you!
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:59am
  - Cassandra
    
    All lefties please note. That’s my uptick BTW.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:11am
- Scooter
  
  Or govt’s esp NZ’s need to change their behavior.
  
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  January 2, 2023 12:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Musk again. Fires janitors. They were on strike asking for pay, and they got the DCM!. Employees are learning real quick to clean up themselves. I guess Twitter is no longer like a bloated Govt Department.
https://steadfastdaily.com/twitter-litter-musk-fires-janitors-leaving-employees-to-clean-up/?seyid=40419

If I was a NZ Govt Dept employee, I would be looking for a job now.
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January 1, 2023 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think a couple of Folk from RNZ have read the writing on the wall….
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/300773313/rnz-presenter-mni-dunlop-to-leave-the-broadcaster-in-2023#:~:text=RNZ's%20Midday%20Report%20host%20M%C4%81ni,Ferguson%20left%20earlier%20this%20year.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-mixtape/audio/2018871612/the-mixtape-lynn-freeman
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:03am
  - Clyde
    
    So pleased to see the Dunlop woman getting off the air. No doubt will be spending more quality time with her mate consoling her after losing her Justice Minister job. A right pair. Or to be more correct, a left pair.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:09am
    - Paulus
      
      As I understand Marnie Dunlop and Kiritapu Allen are currentl engaged (to be married) when our Minister’s divorce come through from her former husband/wife whatever.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:45am
ClanMcleod

One of the most psychotic and draconian countries outside of NZ re covid has been Germany.
Their main public health official, Christian Drosten, competed with our resident liar and lunatic Michael Baker in demanding more and more ludicrous and totally ineffective interventions. Fauci slots in their nicely.

Well it looks like NZ is on it’s own now in the basket case, draconian covid interventions, poison pushing countries on the planet.

The head of virology at Berlin Charité, Christian Drosten, believes that the Corona pandemic in Germany has ended. “We’re experiencing the first endemic wave with SARS-CoV-2 this winter; in my opinion the pandemic is over,” Drosten said in an interview …

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-year-of-omicron?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=92864910&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Footnote, Drosten is the scam artist who turned the PCR test into a bullshit, unreliable covid 19 test which was one of the key tools used to impose the insane interventions of the last 3 years.

https://principia-scientific.com/christian-drosten-the-fraud-behind-covid-19-pcr-testing/

It looks like Drosten is changing jerseys because he knows the scam is over and he’s scrambling for excuses.

The virologist defended the measures taken to contain the virus:

“It was never about stopping the pandemic, it was clear from the beginning that that was not possible.

Whoops! someone tell Jacinda and Mr Baker!!

But if we had done nothing at all, we would’ve had a million deaths or more in Germany in the successive waves through Delta. So we had to reduce contacts.”

As Eugyppius points out:

“There are more than 83 million people in Germany, which makes it hard to imagine how a virus with (at worst) a 0.5% infection fatality rate ever could’ve managed a million deaths. Even harder to imagine, is that Drosten is mistaken and not lying about this. He and the other Corona astrologers will go to their graves exaggerating the risk of the virus to justify their actions, but with every passing moment fewer and fewer will believe them. All that matters, is that not even Drosten can deny it now. The Corona era has drawn to a close.

Can someone pass the memo to Baker and Ardern and and immediately stop any and all “vaccinations” except (possibly) for the most vulnerable and elderly? It’s over.

All that’s left now is to bring to account those responsible for the worst excesses, economic devastation, societal division and abuses of human rights many in this country have suffered.

The scam is over, but it is never going to be forgotten until justice is seen to be done.
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January 1, 2023 8:51am
- kevn
  
  @Clan… I wonder how many vax/cardio deaths as opposed to covid deaths? We know there many vax damaged. They somehow get missed in stats.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kevn – that is going to be one of the crimes of the century. It’s beyond doubt now that the jabs cause cardio issues (along with many others).
    
    Most of the “sudden deaths” happening in the last year are not being checked for possible connection to the jab. This is deliberate. They don’t want to expose more evidence that these things are killing people.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:40am
    - Keith White
      
      Dunno why you’re getting downticked for telling the truth. Globally in the ‘developed’ countries, autopsies are usually not being carried out even in the unexpected deaths of the previously-well younger cohort, and when they are, histopathological examination of the myocardium is not being done. I am a little – well, optimistic is the wrong work in this context – I expect that in months to come, people who have lost loved ones “unexpectedly” will be less academic in their pursuit of the truth and more focussed on the lying liars from Pfizer, MedSafe, the MOH, the Medical Council and the Government.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:56am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Keith White – you get used to the downticks, the more inconvenient the truth, the less people like it.
        Particularly those who were most terrified and invested in the narrative from the beginning. Those are the fearful people who wanted more and harder lockdowns and punishments for those of us who dared ask questions and refused to accept a “single source of truth”.
        
        That narrative is unraveling rapidly, whatever counter arguments the Branch Covidians had in the early days have been blown out of the water one by one. The smarter ones have changed jersey, or are in the process of doing so. All that leaves is the intransigent, stubborn diehards who will never admit they might be wrong, no matter how much evidence they are presented with.
        
        In reality, it has revealed them as the insipid, moral cowards that they are deep inside. They know this and they despise themselves. For that reason all they have is spite and venom and bitterness, zero rational argument.
        
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        January 1, 2023 11:16am
    - JackRabbit
      
      A lot people in my life, including friends, business colleagues, suppliers and clients are either not vaccinated or got vaccinated only to save their business or livelihood.
      
      I count a dozen people directly in my life who have or are suffering from vaccine injuries, several of of whom could have easily died. When I count people I know or have met, who directly know people that have injuries or died, takes that figure into the hundreds.
      
      Ironically “vaccine indoctrinated” relatives and acquaintances, as proof of the safety of the mRNA, state they know no-one who is vaccine injured.
      
      That’s odd because some of those vaccine injured people that are known to me, are also known to the
      “vaccine indoctrinated” relatives and acquaintances.
      
      The reason the “vaccine indoctrinated” do not know anyone, is that the “vaccine injured” do not trust the “vaccine indoctrinated” enough to be open with them.
      
      Our govt made policies and laws silencing doctors and making it clear that spreading disinformation made you a terrorist. And spreading stories of vaccine deaths and injuries was deemed disinformation, so you can understand the vaccine injured confiding in only those people who are not judgemental and willing to listen.
      
      The true figures of Vaccine deaths and injuries in NZ is a horrible statistic, only suppressed and downplayed by the govt.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:06pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        JackRabbit, had to log in just to upvote your comment.
        
        The true figures of Vaccine deaths and injuries in NZ is a horrible statistic, only suppressed and downplayed by the govt.
        
        There will be a number of individuals who know the stats & they have blood on their hands for every single death & injury that occurs while they do not speak out.
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:51pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Lucia Maria
        
        Thanks.
        
        And some vaccinators have has to seek counseling after a patient dropped dead within hours of the shot, or patient has gone into shock or paralysis and have to be taken to hospital.
        
        Regarding what you said about “blood on their hands”, people are leaving the medical profession in their droves, or taking early retirement, because they take their Hippocratic oath seriously, and no longer want to be part of the carnage.
        
        Some ex vaccinators are joining freedom or support groups to oppose the govt mandates (still in effect) and to deal with the trauma of having killed someone with a vaccine, a bit like Alcoholics Anonymous. Especially when the death was a young child. Being responsible for a death leaves a life long scar.
        
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        January 2, 2023 1:00am
- H. Upmann
  
  “…. Corona astrologers”
  Nice turn of phrase.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:32am
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s never any cost-benefit analysis provided when activists push their barrows.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/road-safety-campaigners-call-for-speed-limit-reductions-as-holiday-toll-rises.html
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January 1, 2023 8:54am
- MCōs
  
  That’s an interesting comment.
  Back in the old days car manufacturers we’re reluctant to introduce basic safety features because of the expense.
  The road toll was horrendous in NZ before seat belts, enforced speed limits, breath tests.
  Even now it’s much higher than other similar countries.
  
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  January 1, 2023 1:11pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    It’s not higher when road quality and lack thereof is accounted for.
    
    Interesting that as speedlimits are reduced to women drivers’ preferences mens accident rates are increasing.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:25pm
mikenmildagain

Happy New Year to the moderators, who have been doing a great job recently curating the comments threads. Keep it up!
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January 1, 2023 8:55am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Here here milky
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:13am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hair, hare, hear.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:30am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    There there, Steelie, the plaudit is general written “hear hear”.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I see that I have transgressed Muphry’s Law.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Moderators could be a bit tougher on the Trolls.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:48am
- Jack5
  
  Yes, thank you to the Moderators.
  
  They are providing particularly good flow of posts for holiday time, checking into the early night as well as steadily throughout the holiday days.
  
  Thank you, folk.👏
  
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  January 1, 2023 11:39am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You have it in yourself, Mikey, to make the Mod’s job a little easier.
  
  Speaking for myself, I enjoy your more thoughtful insights as they contrast with many others on this blog.
  
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  January 1, 2023 1:47pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Cheers.
    
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    January 1, 2023 4:40pm
Suze Wainwright

Despite NIWA’s annual predictions of utter heat wave enabled climate catastrophe, it’s actually been quite cold and grey where I am (had one hot sunny day last week, otherwise decidedly mediocre).
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January 1, 2023 8:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here is a summary of coldness in 2022: https://atlasreport.substack.com/p/summer-weather-review
  
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  January 1, 2023 4:17pm
greybeard

9:06am
31 comments, 8 by MMA
Happy New Year.
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January 1, 2023 9:07am
- Cassandra
  
  I’m chasing him down, 2 so far.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:13am
- graham
  
  9:06am
  31 comments, 8 by MMA
  
  And six of those eight are nit-picking or sniping at other commenters.
  
  So, no change there.
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:13am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m still thinking about a new year’s resolution.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      How about the stopping of vomit inducing comments
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:17am
    - Jack5
      
      Milky remains irresolute.
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:50pm
      - Mike
        
        Got a LOL from me, Jacksie.
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:36pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      No downticking?
      
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      January 1, 2023 7:41pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    By 13:28 milky had accumulated 583 down votes, and counting.
    
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    January 1, 2023 1:29pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Do you have an app for that, KK? I hope so – counting manually would be akin to painting tge Firth of Forth bridge.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:49pm
      - Mike
        
        He’s one of those crazy Kiwi fans.
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:37pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes, a little screen scraping script was used.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:13pm
HardAsTooth

Hello Kiwibloggers! Happy New Year!
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January 1, 2023 9:26am
ClanMcleod

The UK’s John Campbell has gone from full on vaccine supporter to calling for the programme to be immediately stopped. This has been quite a long process. A classic example of someone actually studying the data and modifying position once new evidence is presented.

My name is John Campbell, I am a semi-retired clinical nurse, nurse lecturer, academic, researcher and author of numerous articles and two text books.

My specialisms are human physiology and pathophysiology, as applied to clinical practice. I have also produced many educational videos which are used extensively around the world.

In my view the UK health authorities should pause the current covid-19 vaccination programme, due to the risks associated with vaccination.

https://rumble.com/v22ugd2-time-to-pause-covid-mass-vaccination.html
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January 1, 2023 9:30am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Is that John Campbell, the noted engineer, John Campbell the farmer and businessman, John Campbell the biographer, John Campbell the footballer, or John Campbell the retired nurse?
  
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  January 1, 2023 9:41am
  - HardAsTooth
    
    Retired nurse. Bit of a nutter.
    
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    January 1, 2023 9:55am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      HardAsTooth – are you another of milkey’s alter egos?
      Can you tell me what you based your opinion of John Campbell on that has drawn you to the conclusion he is a “bit of a nutter”?
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:44am
      - HardAsTooth
        
        HardAsTooth – are you another of milkey’s alter egos?
        
        I don’t know. How many does he have?
        
        Can you tell me what you based your opinion of John Campbell on that has drawn you to the conclusion he is a “bit of a nutter”?
        
        I watched one of his videos. My bad, I had no idea who he was at the time. Had to duckduckgo him. Would have been better off searching for porn.
        
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        January 1, 2023 11:10am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Nutter? How so. Every one of his vlogs is rational and evidence based. Further, he has studiously avoided youtube’s militant, pro-vax moderators, so he’s not stupid.
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:17pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Is it just that you can’t read or that you’re too lazy to read? It’s tiresome.
    My post states clearly which John Campbell. There are likely thousands of John Campbells in the world.
    You know exactly who it is.
    
    Typically inane comment.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:27am
    - Ghost
      
      Just his usual attempt to troll, perhaps his New Year’s resolution can be to stop acting the way he does before he earns a ban
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:35am
      - Gravelroad
        
        Just about everything he/she/they contribute is just plain boring.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:46am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It must be a miserable existence.
        
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        January 1, 2023 10:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He is just trolling as usual. Sometimes Mike puts up some very good things, which I uptick. Come on Mike, do it for 2023 🙂
      
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      January 1, 2023 10:53am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Agreed. On occasions he presents a well argument POV, and joins in discussing differences. Sadly, that’s only rare, but I wish he would drop his snyde snark which represents around 85% of his comments.
        
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        January 1, 2023 1:28pm
      - Mike
        
        See Steve, Don must be another fan counting the Karma ticks.
        I’m thinking of limitkng my replies just to those nice commenters like you, Don, David Garrett, Maggy Wassilief, Steve Todd, Ian Boag, Benedict Yu, etc. People who know how to debate and be kind and follow our host’s nostrum of ‘happy mischief ‘.
        What do you think?
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not nice, so there’s no need to ~~reply to~~ troll my comments.
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Mike 2.43. Not sure if that is a troll or not. Needs more balance.
        Debate without insults is fine, but some commentors like to just stay ‘on topic’ even though this is ‘General Dabate.’
        
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        January 1, 2023 5:33pm
  - kevn
    
    @mma… Campbell has more credibility in his finger nail than you have in your whole person.
    Proven multi times every day.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:46am
    - HardAsTooth
      
      Campbell has more credibility in his finger nail
      
      Why does he keep his credibility in his finger nail?
      
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      January 1, 2023 11:38am
      - kevn
        
        @tooth…. Because he is more clever (and likely more credible) than you. Too easy.
        
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        January 1, 2023 12:15pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Makes it easier to pull facts out of his you know where?
        
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        January 1, 2023 4:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Don Brash’s column on fNZ as we want it….

whether New Zealanders should all have equal political status, David Seymour has been absolutely unambiguous. He favours the repudiation of the UNDRIP on the grounds that we already have in Article III of the Treaty a guarantee that all New Zealanders have equal political rights. He is surely right: there can be no basis for treating some New Zealanders as having any kind of constitutional preference to any other New Zealander.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-what-kind-of-country-do-we-want-to-be
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January 1, 2023 9:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Co-Governance by Julian Batchelor post is up early today.
Don Brash did not mention the “Coup” but he really should have. Most intelligent people in NZ are aware the is a Coup is underway. Don’s comment is from Bassett Brash and Hide.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/don-brash-on-2023/
I’m told that a few weeks ago somebody who hoped to migrate to New Zealand from
Ireland was told by Immigration New Zealand to submit a 1000-word essay on the
Treaty as part of his application. WTF? The Treaty is nothing like the Constitution of the United States. The 3 Articles in the TOW do not cover 1000 words. Total bullshit.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/DON-BRASH-What-kind-of-country-do-we-want-to-be-1.pdf
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January 1, 2023 9:48am
- Nickc2
  
  The 3 Articles are a Geoffrey Palmerism. They are not obvious or intermated in the original ToW, the one that was signed by the Queen’s Representative(s) and the majority of Maori Chiefs at the time.
  IMO, Palmer is a naive fool as intermated in an article called ‘The Dark Facts on the Waitangi Tribunal’ which is based on Palmer’s book ‘New Zealand’s Constitution in Crisis.
  I can’t find the link right now, but it was previously on KB.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Littlewood Draft.
    It’s actually the final English draft of the Treaty of Waitangi which was used to create the Treaty in Maori.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littlewood_Treaty_Document. Yeah, Wiki, but it is a starting point.
    Idiot Palmer just fucked with it to make thins more confusing. Another dork who should be dismissed.
    
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    January 1, 2023 12:34pm
    - Nickc2
      
      An interesting extract from the document I quoted:
      The 1985 Treaty of Waitangi Act and its Amendment are the biggest injustices ever created by any Government on its people as it allows one group of New Zealand Citizens the privilege of a taxpayer funded apartheid Tribunal to claim against their fellow New Zealand Citizens using Principles and a Partnership dreamt up by Ministers and bureaucrats using false information and a false Treaty document.
      The responsible Minister was none other than Sir Geoffery Palmer.
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:58pm
- JackRabbit
  
  was told by Immigration New Zealand to submit a 1000-word essay on the Treaty as part of his application
  
  “Bullshit” Copy and pasted 1000 times?
  
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  January 1, 2023 1:13pm
- Ghost
  
  I know someone who immigrated to new Zealand just before Xmas nothing to do with the treaty involved in it. His wife moving here a few months prior, nothing about the treaty involved, no essays. Julian is a bullshit artist
  
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  January 1, 2023 1:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    Here is the criteria as set out on the Immigration web site.
    No sign of any need to write an essay about the treaty.
    https://www.immigration.govt.nz/new-zealand-visas/apply-for-a-visa/criteria/skilled-migrant-category-resident-visa?nationality=nationality-KOR&country=residence-KOR&applying=no
    Looks like it’s not just politicians who lie.
    
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    January 1, 2023 6:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was Don Brash who wrote that.
    
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    January 2, 2023 9:39am
Ghost

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, the first pope to resign in 600 years, dies aged 95

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300776496/pope-emeritus-benedict-xvi-the-first-pope-to-resign-in-600-years-dies-aged-95
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January 1, 2023 10:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The ‘retirement’ or deposition of a pope always brings to mind Gibbon’s quote about John XXIII:
  
  The more scandalous charges were suppressed; the vicar of Christ was accused only of piracy, rape, sodomy, murder and incest.
  
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  January 1, 2023 10:25am
  - HardAsTooth
    
    Piracy? I mean, the others I get, it’s the Catholic church on a slow day. But piracy? That’s a new one.
    
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    January 1, 2023 10:36am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I believe mikey is getting confused with John XII -pope during the 11th. century – and yes, he was a badarse. Whether he was guilty of all mikey accuses him of, I’ll leave to the historians.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sorry Don, I needed to make it clearer that he was one of those popes the church likes to misremember by playing with the numbering.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope_John_XXIII
        
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        January 1, 2023 4:50pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    John XX111 was a Pope in 20th Century.
    
    Gibbon wrote ” The decline and fall of the Roman Empire” Think you are getting your Popes and quote mixed up
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:06am
    - kowtow
      
      He’s a troll . Interesting how much support he gets when he’s trolling about the left footers .
      
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      January 1, 2023 12:57pm
  - Nickc2
    
    piracy, rape, sodomy, murder, and incest
    Not a bad innings for one Pope eh? He must have been worn out after all that.
    
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    January 1, 2023 11:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s a very famous quote using all of Gibbon’s powers of ironic description.
      
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      January 1, 2023 4:51pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Rip Darth Ratzinger. As prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: 1981–2005, he was the spiritual successor to a truly evil historical mob (the Inquisition), and as a senior catholic gave cover to priestly pedos. I’m sure he thought he was a good man, but I doubt his sum contribution to the world was positive.
  
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  January 1, 2023 12:37pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    That, NL, is total bullshit – or come up with evidence. Ratsinger was a good man and a good pope.
    
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    January 1, 2023 1:41pm
    - HardAsTooth
      
      Is there such a thing as a good pope? I don’t see a lot of evidence for that.
      
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      January 1, 2023 1:51pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        You’re not looking beyond you prejudices.
        
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        January 1, 2023 2:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There are good reasons why schism is an enduring feature of religious cults.
        
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        January 1, 2023 4:53pm
kevn

@Clan…. NZ is still pushing the jab, even for pregnant women.
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January 1, 2023 10:43am
- Keith White
  
  So is the UK.
  
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  January 1, 2023 11:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We’re among the last bastions of lunacy sadly. I can’t see it being stopped on Ardern’s watch. She is too narcissistic to ever be able to admit she might have been wrong about anything.
  
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  January 1, 2023 11:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New Zealand needs this, to stop Jaspinda’s “Captain’s Calls”
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/other/things-us-presidents-can-t-do-in-office/ss-AAYWVAh
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January 1, 2023 11:07am
NothingLeft

“On average, we live pretty well: worse than last year, but definitely better than next year.” Russian saying.
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January 1, 2023 11:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dr Bruce Moon – Prof Margaret Mutu – Treaty of Waitangi.
This is where the problems are coming from, distorting the 3 Articles into whatever they want.
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/01/bruce-moon-dishonesty-of-professor.html
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January 1, 2023 12:12pm
Jack5

John Key in an interesting review of NZ-China relations in the Herald says China still has hundreds of millions of people it needs to move from the rural countryside to cities and towns and with this urbanisation will come massive economic stimulation.

Key is probably thinking about industrial growth, though scores of millions of young rural Chinese have already moved to the cities (China has at least 125 cities with a population of a million or more).

The next step will be consolidating millions of tiny rural holdings and villages to get the Agriculture Revolution firing, just as the land enclosures of Britain set agriculture production roaring, and the colonial settlement of New Zealand created a mini-powerhouse of food exports.

China’s land area is 35.25 times that of New Zealand’s, and 54.7 per cent of China’s land is agricultural compared with 43.2 per cent of New Zealand’s.

The coming spurt in China food production must make export competition hotter for New Zealand.

At the same time, animal rights activists and Greens and other climate extremists with their carbon trees will be making business harder for our farmers.

The Adrian Orr-Grant Robertson money-printing factory won’t help us.
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January 1, 2023 12:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Willie will never mention about this BUT,
  if it was brought up, I would love to see Willie Jackson’s diversions.
  We will never know that.
  
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  January 1, 2023 5:52pm
- NothingLeft
  
  There will be no new urbanization revolution in China, or anywhere else. Everything everywhere is about to be upended by nascent AI. The long posited “singularity” If you look how remarkably competent ChatGPT is, and keep in mind it is already 2 years old (replacement GPT4 is nearing public release).
  
  Chat GPT is already on the edge of being able to replace most lawyers and many other professionals in simpler tasks, without any deliberate effort to make it more competent in anything other than general knowledge – so when that relatively simple specialist knowledge is added (just a few extra weeks training on complete contents of legal and medical libraries) in coming years huge swathes of the workforce are going to become unnecessary.
  
  Meaningful intellectual careers are going to become a rarity very soon, and our assumptions about the economy are going to be irrevocably broken.
  
  Everyone needs to educate themselves on what is about to happen to the world. I recommend watching interviews with Sam Altman and other Open AI researchers – they are at least out in the public, Google, Apple, Facebook etc are doing it all in relative secret, but are just as advanced.
  
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  January 1, 2023 7:51pm
  - Mike
    
    Lawyers will need to be more like Rumpole of the Bailey, who famously knew very little law.
    
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    January 1, 2023 8:26pm
MCōs

An interesting opinion in this morning’s Herald by Sir John Key re China.
Did he run this passed the NZ Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Chinese Embassy before publication.
I would suggest the latter couldn’t believe their luck.
If Nanaia Mahuta wrote this there would be immediate calls for her resignation on this forum.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sir-john-key-we-need-to-craft-our-own-view-of-china-using-its-past-and-potential-to-guide-us/PSDICCQP3FBR7O56CRWXKLN2S4/
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January 1, 2023 12:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  No surprises there to anyone who has heard or seen Sir John boasting about his close personal relationship with the General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.
  
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  January 1, 2023 4:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  MCos, can you lend me $NZ 1.99? Better still, your password?
  
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  January 1, 2023 5:57pm
CAKE FACE1

Happy New Year to everyone – even the troll that spams here!
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January 1, 2023 12:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are far more than one troll Mr CAKE
  
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  January 1, 2023 5:58pm
mogg

Poetry for New Year’s Day;

Ring out, wild bells, to the wild sky,
The flying cloud, the frosty light:
The year is dying in the night;
Ring out, wild bells, and let him die.

Ring out the old, ring in the new,
Ring, happy bells, across the snow:
The year is going, let him go;
Ring out the false, ring in the true.

Ring out the grief that saps the mind
For those that here we see no more;
Ring out the feud of rich and poor,
Ring in redress to all mankind.
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January 1, 2023 12:48pm
- Jack5
  
  For an analysis of this poem, by Tennyson:
  
  https://poemanalysis.com/alfred-tennyson/ring-out-wild-bells/
  
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  January 1, 2023 2:27pm
  - mogg
    
    I thought the death was that of his 22 yr old brother in law.
    
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    January 1, 2023 3:49pm
Biscuit

I see Stuff is running wth some incredibly-vague ‘Forecasts’ for 2023…

You know the sort of thing:

* ‘The day after Thursday will be Friday in at least 9 months of the year’
* ‘Willie Jackson will go a whole hour without opining that whatever criticism he has attracted is ‘Wacist!’
or
* ‘The Warriors will still be drawing at least two of their 2023 games after 5 minutes of play in said games’.

We should help them out as they strive for prediction perfection:

* A Stuff cartoon will have just the SLIGHTEST inkling of disregard for the Labour Government’s policies
* Stuff will run its 123,456th declaration that it is 100% Kiwi-owned, free from political interference and fiercely independent
* Stuff will run a banner ‘WE’RE RATED NO. ONE!’ front page story when their Puzzle Pages in the Dom-Post win some award or other
* Puff-pieces will feature often in 2023 as Stuff attempts to justify the funds received under the PJIF. These will include ‘Well I Never’ tales like ‘WHAT EGGS MY MUMMY GOT ME FOR EASTER’ by a little girl calling herself ‘Snow’ and a ‘SHE’S AMAZEBALLS!’ Mother’s Day tribute by someone using the pseudonym ‘CG’…
* Stuff will invite David Farrar – for once NOT described as ‘Right-wing blogger, David Farrar’ – to pen a critique. They won;t RUN that critique, natch, but it’s the thoight that count, right?
* Stuff will run at least 69 unflattering pictures of Christopher Luxon whilst simultaneously only depicting Saint Jacinda as if she’s had a three-long-session with a local beautician
* Stuff will reveal a ‘new, cutting edge, 21st Century-styled’ font
* Stuff will run a headline after the 2023 Election that promises ‘WE WILL HOLD THIS RIGHT-WING GOVERNMENT TO ACCOUNT’ as if they had done any such holding to account of Jacinda’s Mob’s manifest failings over the previous six years
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January 1, 2023 1:23pm
- HardAsTooth
  
  * ‘Willie Jackson will go a whole hour without opining that whatever criticism he has attracted is ‘Wacist!’
  
  I would be shocked if he could go one minute without doing so. Ditto Nanaia and Kelvin.
  
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  January 1, 2023 1:37pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Of course criticism of Willie Jackson is racist. He’s a Maori prat.
  
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  January 1, 2023 8:19pm
Ghost

Australia will impose mandatory COVID-19 testing on travellers from China as cases in the Asian giant skyrocket.

Starting January 5, travellers from China, Hong Kong and Macau will need to take a pre-departure COVID-19 test within 48 hours before travel and show a negative result.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2023/01/coronavirus-australia-to-impose-mandatory-covid-19-testing-on-travellers-from-china-as-cases-skyrocket.html
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January 1, 2023 4:55pm
- Inthe09
  
  Is that for health or political reasons? I’m assuming the latter.
  
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  January 1, 2023 5:33pm
Alan Wilkinson

My NY wish is for NZ women to go back to worshipping God instead of Jacinda. When they filled the churches instead of the Labour Party the country was relatively sane.
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January 1, 2023 7:31pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You might enjoy this list, Alan:
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/31/the-year-in-patriarchy-a-dancing-pm-an-inclusive-mm-and-lots-of-protests
  
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  January 1, 2023 7:39pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Not really. The lot wrecking this country are more to my distaste.
    
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    January 1, 2023 7:59pm
Alan Wilkinson

Thought on drive down to Auckland today: when you see the way they drive it’s no wonder they elect a Government of halfwits and crooks.
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January 1, 2023 7:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Aucklanders?
  
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  January 1, 2023 7:38pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Many no doubt are. We’ve suffered the usual lot stopped in the middle of intersections while they wonder who they are, where they are going and why. One of the best efforts attempted to do a U turn onto the back of the ferry queue and succeeded only in getting stuck straight across the road blocking both lanes just as about 30 cars were trying to drive off the ferry. The clown had to drive up onto the footpath to let them through.
    
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    January 1, 2023 8:09pm

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