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NeverMindTheBollocks

Morgan Godfery demonstrates yet again his one eyed bias that would shame a Cantabrian when he opines that the top performing minister of 2022 is, drumroll please maestro, Willie J.

Sickening Stuff. I read it so you don’t have to.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130872334/morgan-godfery-topperforming-minister-but-you-wouldnt-know-it
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December 29, 2022 8:01am
- yossarian
  
  Even Martyn Bradbury think Morgan is a twat.
  
  However unfortunately Morgan is the epitome of the elite politburo that think exactly as the govt does, as long as they don’t have to venture too far from their ivory towers and mix with the filthy proletarian.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:14am
  - Taieri
    
    However unfortunately Morgan is the epitome of the elite politburo
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    Nothing elite about Morgan and his writing.
    A mediocre hack is far better description.
    
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    December 29, 2022 10:30am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Stuff comments are never opened on Godferys opinions: he’s a legend in his own mind.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can’t have comments that would bring out what joe public really thinks.
    That is not the stuff way.
    
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    December 29, 2022 8:40am
- pdm
  
  Bollocks – and so was the article. lol.
  
  No comments allowed – typical biased stuff.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:22am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I just commented on this, so we wait to see if gets moderated…
    
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    December 29, 2022 12:08pm
- Nickc2
  
  If being a ‘Top Performer’ means dividing a country along racial lines, he should share the award with Nanaia Mahuta and Kelvin Davis eh?
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:27am
  - Bob
    
    a tripartite governance system for NZ then!
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:13am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  If it wasn’t for the author’s bio I’d interpret the article as the piss take of the year!
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:28am
- Scott
  
  Never mind the bollocks – thanks for linking to that article. Morgan Godfrey looks like what I imagine a leftist reporter would look like. Certainly he is very kind to our Minister of Finance complimenting him on his careful management of our finances. Others of us are less kind and say this government spends money like a drunken sailor on shore leave. Indeed there are commentators on this blog who feel that I am being unkind to drunken sailors on shore leave when I compare them with the labour government!
  
  Regarding Willie Jackson he appears to be in the forefront of race baiting. The fact of the matter is that this government wants to establish co-governance. They sincerely believe that the Treaty of Waitangi is a partnership and that Maori people should have a 50% say in how the country is run. Of course that is the end of liberal democracy as we know it because we would no longer have one person one vote. Under co-governance a person with Maori ancestors would have the equivalent of five votes as compared to the one vote of the person who doesn’t have Maori ancestors. How this reverse apartheid is going to lead to harmony in our nation is beyond me?
  
  The other thing is that co-governance, which is where our country is heading now, is leading to a renaissance of Maori culture. Now if Maori culture is about anything it’s about tribalism. So we are witnessing a return to tribalism and various tribes controlling various territories. Think Hone Harawira setting up roadblocks to decide who can come into his tribal territory and think tribes controlling the Uruwera and setting fire to DOC huts.
  
  So co-governance is not an academic debate as Morgan Godfrey says. It is something real and something happening before our eyes. The final goal is the People’s Socialist Republic of Aotearoa. Morgan Godfrey would like us to relax and make ourselves comfortable as the comrades lead us towards our Communist utopia.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Willie Jackson can ‘race bait’ without anyone realising he has done it until it is too late.
    Willie is a “tuna”
    
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    December 29, 2022 8:43am
    - Jack5
      
      Wily Willie Jackson also comes from a general Far Left background.
      
      The Jacksons have been stalwarts of NZ’s Left of Left for many decades. He has been a trade union organiser, and was at one stage the youngest president of any of the country’s freezing-worker unions.
      
      Willie seems to have been a late developer as a Maori activist, though.
      
      In the article linked to here, his former wife tells of his lack of knowledge of “the treaty”:
      
      https://e-tangata.co.nz/comment-and-analysis/moana-maniapoto-the-willie-jackson-i-know/
      
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      December 29, 2022 8:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Thanks for that. I knew Willie had a strong leftist background and was involved in unions. I did not know he was divorced. He didn’t know the TOW then, and I’m sure he only follows what he is told now. He is part of the Elite Maori Coup.
        There is a lot more going on with Willie Jackson than most Kiwis know.
        
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        December 29, 2022 9:18am
      - G152
        
        His dad sold out at Ngauranga Meat works
        
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        December 29, 2022 10:50am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        As a very Maori former colleague once noted with a wry grin; “there are many born-again Maoris these days”.
        
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        December 29, 2022 1:34pm
  - David Lenny
    
    Since Godfrey apparently admires WJ because he won’t waste time in academic debates about co-governance, does he equally admire Ardern and Fa’afoi for not wasting time debating hate speech or, to go back further in time, admire Geoffrey Palmer for not wasting his fellow cabinet members’ time debating the meaning of the principles of the ToW?
    
    Sometimes words really matter.
    
    Still, if WJ dismisses as academic the minutely detailed debate in universities about the ‘true meaning’ of the ToW, I guess neither he nor Godfrey will object to those of us sceptical of those interpretations and their use to guide every part of the state.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:09am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    Hone’s roadblocks were in response to Covid and police supervision.
    As for the Urewera where such things have not been infrequent for decades including when National was in Government. It was a National Minister who facilitated the current agreement which by your calculation must make him a Communist, they seem to be everywhere in your life and particularly in your posts.
    You also didn’t observe that it wasn’t just Doc huts that have distressed some local families associated with them, but I assume that wouldn’t bother you.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:28am
    - Scott
      
      Brian McDonald – thank you for your comments. Regarding the Harawira roadblocks it was a response to covid. However it was also racist. It is an example of the special privilege that only Maori people get. Imagine if in 2020 myself or indeed any other white person, got together with a group of other white people and set up a roadblock, say at the top of the Rimutakas, to stop any Wellington people coming to the Wairarapa and bringing covid. How long do you think it would take for that roadblock to be dismantled by the local police? I would say it would take about 20 minutes for the police at Featherston and Upper Hutt to arrive and dismantle the roadblock and possibly arrest any of the perpetrators. They would absolutely not allow white people to stop other people coming into their territory. But it’s different when Maori people do it. That is the reverse apartheid we are being subject to.
      
      Regarding the Ureweras, yes the rot began with a former National minister. And yes I do think he was hopelessly deluded. So National have a fair share of the blame. However it is manifestly true that Labour has co-governance on steroids and is advancing the reverse apartheid agenda much faster than anyone could possibly imagine. We are losing our country and I’m sure that you and I can be in agreement – that is no good.
      
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      December 29, 2022 9:45am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes Chris Finlayson. What a piece of work.
        
        I see that the vandals have simply ignored the court order to stop destroying the huts. A century of heritage up in flames.
        
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        December 29, 2022 10:20am
      - Sacha
        
        I was brought up in the northern ‘back blocks’ of Hawkes Bay. The Maori culture was very present in our every-day European lives, and for the most part we all muddled along together.
        However, the Urewera people were another breed entirely and were generally left to their own devices because of their ‘ see if you can make us’ attitude towards any but their own tribe. They would disappear into the bush for years.
        I was somewhat surprised when I heard that Treaty negotiations were to be held, but not at all surprised when it took so long to get any agreement.
        Children of the Mist. An apt description.
        
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        December 29, 2022 11:07am
    - kowtow
      
      The roadblocks were illegal .
      
      The pm and Chief Plod were ok with that .
      
      The rule of law , like Jackson’s view of democracy , down the shitter . And the pm appears to be comfortable with that too.
      
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      December 29, 2022 11:07am
      - nathie
        
        Re: last sentence, add the so-called Broadcasting Standards Authority to that list. They supported a couple of “perpetually offended tamariki” that took offence to Sean Plunket questioning the illegal roadblocks during the 2020 covid lockdown and gleefully fined MediaWorks for “Plunket disrespecting Maori customs” …
        
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        December 29, 2022 11:51am
  - Sparrow
    
    As an ex seafarer I take exception to the use of the expression ” a drunken sailor on shore leave”. I presume you were referring to those in the Grey Funnel line and not those upstanding Merchant Navy seafarers who never let devil water touch their lips !!!!
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:37am
    - Don Beckett
      
      😆 😆 😆
      
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      December 29, 2022 11:46am
    - Jack5
      
      Sparrow: A sailor, ain’t a sailor, ain’t a sailor any more …
      
      https://youtu.be/Q2phJfpjEnE
      
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      December 29, 2022 3:20pm
  - I remember when
    
    If the Treaty of Waitangi intended to give Maori co-governance why was it between individual Maori Cheftains and not Maori.
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:42am
- Cassandra
  
  “Jackson is crucial to any Labour victory in 2023”. Substitute National for Labour and Godfery might be right. Jackson and his approach – the Mahuta Family enrichment project – sums up the Labour party’s death wish style of politics. There are thousands of Maoris who hate it, let alone the hundreds of thousands of non-Maori. Roll on the election. Get rid of these imposters.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  NMTB – thank you for your sacrifice. That publication makes me want to puke.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:31am
- Swifty
  
  Perfectly understandable if you think the definition of ‘top-performing’ is to extract from NZ families the maximum amount of tax and hand it over to Labour special interests or otherwise just spray it around in an endless attempt at buying political support or being seen to being ‘kind’.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  And some of the idiotic comments saying the media is in Nats pocket, what an utter joke
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Many socialists in New Zealand think the media is biased towards the National Party. I have seen many comments to that effect on left leaning blogs and on social media. Unbelievable 😂
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:38am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      BY – it used to be unbelievable but now needs to be recognised as the standard leftist cognitive dissidence tactic that it is aka “Gaslighting”
      
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      December 29, 2022 12:29pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      You do see it constantly. When pushed about the obvious leftiness of the journos – usually by asking for the RW journos to be identified, which comes to a tiny number – the argument shifts to editors and owners. Apparently by definition a private media source is Right Wing because it’s part of the capitalist system: I’ve seen that argument made explicitly on occasion but usually it’s just implicit with the “owners” assertion.
      
      One question I always ask them is why we RW’s have increasingly abandoned the MSM, despite them being so very RW. Never an answer to that – although one person once said that it was only Extreme, Far, Alt… Righties like me that thought that. 🙂
      
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      December 29, 2022 12:46pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story
      
      https://mediabias.co.nz/
      
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      December 29, 2022 1:03pm
- Inandout
  
  NMTB, this is an article on MG from a few years back.
  https://e-tangata.co.nz/korero/morgan-godfery-politics-is-in-the-blood/
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:25am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Definitely residing in an alternative dimension.
  
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  December 29, 2022 1:04pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I was down at Oriental Bay the other day. The water was a millpond. But there on the beach was a surf lifesaving team of three, complete with the elevated watchers box & all the kit.

I thought to myself that this misplacement of resources sums up the current government. They’ve identified a problem & spent taxpayer money but it’s been applied in the wrong area & therefore achieved little – I cannot recall any beachgoer ever drowning at Oriental Bay. Looks good to the undiscerning though.
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December 29, 2022 8:03am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s a popular & safe beach.
  
  Hence, it fills up with young kiddies and older folks…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/75782908/man-dies-after-rescue-drama-at-wellingtons-oriental-bay-beach
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:14am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Thanks Maggy, I overlooked that one. But, I note that the life guards on duty completely missed him; it wasn’t until a swimmer alerted them that they swung into action. I’m not blaming the life guards – from the report it seems that a sudden heart attack carried him off, which is not what surf life guards are for. My point is that surf life guards would be better deployed at practically any other beach in the country.
    
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    December 29, 2022 8:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    6 year old story. Yes, any death is a tragedy but the point about wasted resources is well made.
    
    That person almost certainly had a heart attack. When someone is drowning they are thrashing around, in a millpond like Oriental Bay it would have been quickly noticed and someone would have helped them.
    
    People die all the time from many reasons, some are preventable and some aren’t. Limited resources need allocated wisely and there are many places in the country that could use lifeguards more than Oriental Bay.
    
    It’s actually a good analogy for the moronic ideologues currently inhabiting the Beehive. “zero road deaths”, “zero carbon”, making tobacco illegal and the most moronic policy possibly ever, the attempt to “eliminate covid.”
    
    Cost/benefit might sound cold and heartless, but in a world of limited time and resources, it’s the best way to allocate these things.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, it is a 6-year old story.
      We have no idea how many successful rescues there have been at Oriental Bay in the following summers… such events don’t get reported.
      
      When you have the public en masse at the beach, anything can happen.
      
      Crikey, sometimes there’s just me & my mate swimming laps at our local pool… but GDC ensures there’s at least one staffer on watch duty in case one of us croaks.
      
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      December 29, 2022 10:13am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Maggy – fair enough. If they have the numbers to patrol it then that’s great. As per swimming pools which generally have guards around. I’m only making the point that resources often have to be allocated on needs.
        Again, I’m all about personal choice, education and taking responsibility for your actions. If they can afford to put people there then that’s awesome.
        
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        December 29, 2022 11:51am
- G152
  
  Trained a few snorkellers there. Safest water in the Pacific
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Were those lifesavers from Long Bay on the Shore?//
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:47am
- MCōs
  
  Wellington beaches are patrolled by the Maranui SLSC.
  If you think they should drop Oriental Bay from their roster send them a letter at
  Maranui SLSC
  107 Lyall Parade
  PO Box 14-330
  Kilbirnie, Wellington
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:58am
  - Cassandra
    
    With funding from Wellington Council? Doesn’t make sense – very few non-surf beaches are patrolled anywhere. Mission Bay in Auckland is even more popular than Oriental and has no patrols. Pools are a different matter.
    
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    December 29, 2022 10:50am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If they can afford to use the resources there and think it worthwhile then good luck to them.
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:52am
- Paulus
  
  Are not Surf Lifesavers volunteers or Charity provided ?
  
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  December 29, 2022 10:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They have been purely voluntary in the past…
    
    but some Councils hire Surf life-savers for a short period during summer months..
    
    However, last year The Government announced an annual contribution ($9.4M) to Surf Life-Saving.
    
    https://www.surflifesaving.org.nz/news/2020/may/central-government-funding-for-surf-life-saving
    
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    December 29, 2022 10:56am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      New Zealanders individually do not give enough in donations, or through the pokies and lotto, for essential services such as lifesaving and ambulances to be fully funded by wealthy philanthropists and corporate sponsorship.
      
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      December 29, 2022 1:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern has assured us that the 3 Waters Reform is so that we, the ratepayers, won’t be facing large water rate bills.

How does she know that?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/paying-for-three-waters-on-the-3rd-day-of-christmas
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December 29, 2022 8:07am
- pdm
  
  Maggy – Tuku (underpants) Morgan was first out of the blocks putting the screws on Aucklands water draw offs from his Waikato River.
  
  How much will he and Tainui extract there?
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How much will he a Tainui extract? As much as the Taniwha tell him.
    There was talk of 20 cents per liter, but then that claim went down to 10 cents a liter. That is $20 million a day. How the hell can Auckland sustain that?
    Watercare currently charges Aucklanders 0.001594 cents a litre for water, or $1.594 cents for 1000 litres.
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK2007/S00048/watercare-and-the-waikato-river.htm#
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Tuku will draw plenty of Waikato piss I expect.
    
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    December 29, 2022 10:33am
  - I remember when
    
    pdm:
    If (If) the Treaty did give Maori tribes extra rights then Tainui Chieftains (and their lands) would likely be massive beneficiaries.
    
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    December 29, 2022 1:53pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  She made it up
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:33am
- Colville
  
  The logic is astounding.
  Steal the assets from the ratepayers so they don’t have to pay for upgrades… Install a couple of thousand faceless bureaucratic zombies to “.manage” those upgrades remotely and this is somehow meant to make those upgrades free. This is without a mention of rent seeking iwi bloodsuckers looking for a free ride.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:39am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy Wassilieff
  People, who wonder about the savings of “3 waters”, may perhaps read host David Farrar’s 7.00am post, this morning, which indicates the polytechnic reform which could now cost half a billion dollars, so ten times the projected deficit of $50 million it was to save.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/12/chippies_mega_merger_needs_a_half_billion_bailout.html
  
  The other cost to the nation with “3 waters” is that it will cost us, not “co-governance”, but “total governance”, through chair Pipa Mahuta > Maori Advisory Council > Tuamata Arowai > Four Regional Entities > the level of co-governance which people normally worry about, but, while being put into law by mid 2023, will not be publicly discussed until 2024, after the next Election, by which time we will be really screwed, unless we vote for David Seymour’s ACT Party – as Christopher is reLUXtant to say anything about “3 Waters” and “total governance” or even “co-governance”!
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:47am
  - Yvette
    
    ■ AND, while this is a National/right leaning blog, and those who are left befert that my comment, above, of Christopher being reLUXtant, may down-lick away – that response in natural when the truth hurts – so email him and fucking tell him about it.
    
    And the crap about “Not stopping an enemy while they are making a mistake” doesn’t pass any more, as the “mistake” will soon be written into law and when it comes to a public discussion of “co-governance” or “total governance”, it will have been a done deal and harder to undo – rectifying it will be bitterly claimed a “second colonisation” – because Jacinda will have excelled a minority community to being more than They are Us.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is this the same Jacinda Ardern who tells many lies?
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:02am
  - Bob
    
    Never told a lie in her political life !
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:18am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Remember when we were checked by the mods for calling her a liar?
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nothing wrong with stating the truth.
      
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      December 29, 2022 1:45pm
- Ghost
  
  Timaru council went through the governments work in 3 waters and found it would drastically put up the water rates. I think it was by 2050 timaru households under 3 waters would be paying 3 water rates of $5,000 a year
  
  Jacinda is a pathological liar who simply wants to privatise water by taking it from the local ownership and giving it to Māori.
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:05am
  - Bob
    
    Another means of ‘buying the Maori vote’; but using the Ratepayers money this time. Different money jar.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All part of the Coup, Ghost. Jaspinda thinks giving all sorts of treasures to Maori will keep her in power. The compulsive liar is deluded, but she is also very desperate for the power.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:28am
- Paulus
  
  Cos Ardern is more clever than all of us.
  But you knew that.
  
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  December 29, 2022 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is not another lie is it?//
    
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    December 29, 2022 1:47pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is an idiot, in Dunedin we do not pay a separate water rate, but we will be paying one if she gets her way. All she is doing is her usual vulgar nasty scare tactics to get sheeple on side
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have been paying $80 to $120 per month for over 23 years.
    
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    December 29, 2022 1:49pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Looking at all the taxes and restrictions, and the stealthy batshit crazy racial moves, existing and proposed, under her “leadership”, I see no reason to believe her at all.
  
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  December 29, 2022 1:10pm
Tomtoddy

It is rather funny at times although mostly painfully pathetic to watch the media hacks trying to find ways to justify the efforts of the Ardern Govt. This morning it was the crazed socialist Morgan Godfrey trying to persuade us Willie Jackson was a high performing Minister. There has even been the odd person musing whether Jackson is the power behind the elitist Maori push but forget that. At his best he is a loose mouth, driven by arrogance and bully boy tactics.

It seems that the Beehive’s ninth floor has wound up a bunch of lefties to fill the post Christmas news void with rubbish – the sort Godfrey has produced. Spare us.
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December 29, 2022 8:08am
- Its only I
  
  While Labour off racking up allowance limits, its ridiculous media teams work frantically trying to bale out the rotten waka like their life depended on it.
  You have to pity them, they are nothing more than little ticks buried in the political butt-crack known as the Labour party.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  @TomT-
  I am sure that if we still had cheques his substantial one would be in the mail by now -signed:
  G. Robertson.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:36am
  - Its only I
    
    I’m not so sure Robberson would know we don’t have cheques, even if he did know I wouldn’t put it past him to send one anyway with a note……in crayon.
    
    It was suggested by someone that I should send this as a token of my appreciation for what ever it is you people do down there.
    G.Robertson
    
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    December 29, 2022 8:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jackson is part of the Maori Elite running the Co-Governance Coup.
  Of course there is no Co-Governance in a Coup, it is a takeover.
  Democracy will be gone, and NZ ruled by Maori Elite Tyrants.
  Change my mind.
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:07am
  - Swifty
    
    *bro-governance
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:21am
- Bob
  
  Willie is the ‘ useful village idiot from the Marae’; suits the Mahuta clan agenda to have Willies motor mouth distractions in the media.
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good description of Willie. Attention diverter – oh look, a squirrel.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:49am
- Brian McDonald
  
  I can’t comment on the media merger because I haven’t followed it.
  On the issue of the Deputy PM, he’s correct. Robertson has out performed expectations.
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:34am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    The economy is out-performing expectations, but how exactly is this due to any action of Robertson’s?
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Exactly, he has done huge damage to members of the economy, why the he’ll businesses are even bothering
      
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      December 29, 2022 11:29am
    - I remember when
      
      “The economy out-performing expectations’
      during covid and with the addition of living wage, minimum wage, etc, increases may well be the result of Grant Robertson.
      First result for taxpayers is the extra money that then needs to be paid to beneficiaries.
      While the rate of inflation may well come back to 2% – the costs added will remain.
      
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      December 29, 2022 2:10pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, he has put the country into the highest debt by far, surging interest rates and wasted billions as expected by a socialist luck spittle, don’t say billions have not been wasted, because the covid fund was 50 billion, yet only 25 billion can be accounted for
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:28am
  - mogg
    
    Does your ‘issue’ include Robbo’s $10 billion loss on Covid bonds, which were all bought with tax payer funded debt. His ‘strong economy’ is the gradual recovery from damage done when Jacinda and the other Daleks were running around shouting ‘eliminate, eliminate, stamp it out, stamp it out’, and the shut downs which stopped all economic activity.
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:30am
  - Jack5
    
    B McD’s …Robertson has out performed expectations …
    
    Dead right. Who could have seen that Robertson and his mate at the Reserve Bank could have blown out the money supply by billions of dollars.
    
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    December 29, 2022 2:51pm
Tricati

If anyone is interested in reading a delusional article on how great Robertson and Willie Jackson are, then suffer through Morgan Godfrey’s rubbish.
I read it in a weak moment, so serves me right.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130872334/morgan-godfery-topperforming-minister-but-you-wouldnt-know-it
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December 29, 2022 8:10am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You & me both, Tricati
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:37am
- Its only I
  
  Click bait working as click bait does.
  If lil’ willy was a national member (Bwahahahha)
  he would never get past his roast buster comments.
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:03am
- Yvette
  
  Tricati
  Judge Morgan Godfrey’s bias, general intelligence and the misnomer that he is any sort of journalist by his omission of commenting on Willie Jacksons consultation with targeted Maori Elite and knocking their response into anything acceptable to his Cabinet colleagues and now postponing that until after the Election – so that process of re-writing the Maori Elite response will take about five times the six months that Maori were given first exclusive right to comment.
  Godfrey doesn’t include that in his article.
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:43am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/12/27/exclusive-conservatives-build-governing-machine-ready-2025/
Conservatives Build Governing Machine Ready for 2025.
Taking lessons learned from the “infighting and inaction” in the early days of staffing the Trump administration — a presidency marred by an ingrained administrative state set on thwarting Trump’s policy goals — conservative groups are creating a policy and personnel plan of action in order to “take the reins of government.”
Paul Dans, director of the Heritage Foundation’s 2025 Presidential Transition Project, spoke with Breitbart News about the vision for a conservative movement that is not only ready to govern but to achieve conservative wins at a national level.
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December 29, 2022 8:26am
- Its only I
  
  “Paul Dans, director of the Heritage Foundation’s 2025 Presidential Transition Project, spoke with Breitbart News about the vision for a conservative movement that is not only ready to govern but to achieve conservative wins at a national level.”
  
  The theatre of it all.
  The fight to win the rights to the top lobby dollar must be ours and ours alone….!
  
  Politics in the USA is a pantomime at best a bad primary school play at……no, its normal.
  
  Sadly NZ seems to be headed the same way.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:42am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXxaoLUPR80
Europe’s Far-Right Resurgence in 2022.

At the beginning of 2022 we said that the centre-left was experiencing a resurgence. As the year has come to a close that trend looks to be changing, with right and far-right parties gaining leverage in Italy, Sweden, France, Hungary and more.
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December 29, 2022 8:26am
- Nickc2
  
  Can you see NZ on the horizon?
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:43am
- Taieri
  
  Europe’s Far-Right Resurgence in 2022.
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  What’s the definition of “far”-right?
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:55am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Exactly, who gets to pick these idiotic labels? Meaningless. The scale moves constantly.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:25am
    - Cassandra
      
      You rarely see any reference to left and far-left. Farrar is described as right; he’s actually centrist. Far- right is Franco. Far-left is Scotland.
      
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      December 29, 2022 11:00am
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, I see it all the time.
        
        Same as you frequently see in the NZ news media talk of ‘high-powered rifle(s)’ but you never, ever see any mention of ‘medium’ or ‘low-powered rifle(s)’.
        
        And I’d see ‘far-right’ 1,000 times for every one time I see ‘far-left’.
        
        I guess they think we’re too stupid to notice the game they play.
        
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        December 29, 2022 2:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    In New Zealand it is what ever Jacinda says it is, and it’s usually tossed at anyone who disagrees with her
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I refude that
      
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      December 29, 2022 9:52am
    - Paulus
      
      Putin is the expert of getting rid of those who do not agree with him.
      They fall downstairs or fall from balconies.
      Cindy you have much to learn before you leave.
      
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      December 29, 2022 10:38am
      - Ghost
        
        Something he has in common with Zelenskyy and the Clinton’s
        
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        December 29, 2022 10:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    Far right; anyone who does not say aotearoa or boast about mutilating their kiddy’s genitals.
    Centre left; Péron, PolPot, North Korea, Canada, Venezuela, Magabe.
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:06am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    In today’s political climate Taieri, anyone to the right of Mao is “far right”. These days, if Norman Kirk or David Lange were running for PM, they would be considered far right.
    
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    December 29, 2022 2:44pm
  - Grizz
    
    The far right and far left are where the ends of the wings fold together in a circle. Was there ever that much difference between NAZIs and Communist Russia. They were just different branches of authoritarian control. Right now we are heading towards an authoritarian communist government, but if it moved more to the left we would have some form of neonazism.
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:25pm
  - curry4me
    
    ‘Far Right’ is anyone slightly to the right of Stalin.
    
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    December 29, 2022 8:48pm
Swifty

As we enter the 2023 election year New Zealanders will be very, very wise to understand that the NZ left, despite what they claim, do not have any answers. To anything. Ever.

All they have are sticking plasters. Very expensive sticking plasters, and usually for wounds they and their policies have themselves have inflicted on us.
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December 29, 2022 8:33am
- Swifty
  
  I’m using a Sowell quote quite a lot lately:
  
  “Today’s problems are often the result of yesterday’s solutions.”
  
  Brilliantly applicable to the NZ left.
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:43am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As Brenda told us, she has “aspirations.” She’s amazing………
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Aspirations to shaft anyone with savings or better
    
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    December 29, 2022 12:41pm
rouppe

Sound familiar?

“China’s current Covid crisis is entirely man-made. Chinese officials clearly erred in investing in relentless tracing, testing, and lockdowns at the expense of advanced therapeutics,” says Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) analyst Craig Singleton.
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December 29, 2022 8:50am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Italy has gone hard & early.

Jacinda, where the bloody hell are ya?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/28/italy-decrees-travellers-from-china-must-take-covid-tests
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December 29, 2022 8:52am
- Ghost
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/481567/no-plans-to-have-visitors-test-for-covid-19-as-china-relaxes-travel-rules-ministry-of-health-says
  
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  December 29, 2022 8:55am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    On this occasion I’m with the Government. Covid is now widespread in New Zealand and we are at just as much risk from each other as we are from visitors from China, no more and no less. There’s nothing to be gained by making Chinese visitors take a test before they come in, unless we also make everybody already in New Zealand take a test every time they leave their homes.
    
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    December 29, 2022 9:46am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I disagree. Why would we admit a plane loads of people who may be infected with new variants?
      
      I see the US is following Italy’s lead. From NewsHub (CNN):
      American officials have expressed deep concerns about China’s lack of transparency surrounding the most recent surge in cases, particularly the absence of genome sequencing information that could help detect new strains of the coronavirus.
      
      “We know these measures will not eliminate all risk or completely prevent people who are infected from entering the United States,” a federal health official said. Still, “taken together they will help limit the number of infected people and provide us an early warning about new variants.”
      
      And per the Guardian:
      Italy has already been monitoring swab tests at Rome’s Fiumicino airport and Milan’s Malpensa airport, where on Monday one in two passengers arriving on flights from China who undertook non-mandatory tests were found to be positive for coronavirus.
      
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      December 29, 2022 10:13am
      - Drone
        
        Hi NMTB any story about China and the US needs to consider the trade war the US has and is waging against China, it’s just another reason to persecute the Chinese people.
        
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        December 29, 2022 11:25am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What new variants?
        
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        December 29, 2022 11:31am
    - rouppe
      
      If we weren’t waiting 12 hours to be seen in ED I might agree…
      
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      December 29, 2022 1:10pm
      - Jim
        
        Only 12 hours? Luxury!
        
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        December 29, 2022 9:08pm
- Paulus
  
  I expect that she is in her family ?bach? in Tairua I and incommunicado except through her PR Department as they can lie well too.
  
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  December 29, 2022 10:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    According to my spies, she’s currently in Gisborne.
    
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    December 29, 2022 10:58am
    - Ghost
      
      Oh I’m sorry, benfit of living in the south island she barely comes here.
      
      Heard from relatives in gisborne a few years ago her security had people’s bookings at a motel in gisborne canceled so she could stay there
      
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      December 29, 2022 11:04am
    - nathie
      
      Presumably then she’ll be partying at Rhythm and Vines? Still being “youth adjacent” of course!
      
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      December 29, 2022 12:05pm
- Sacha
  
  I suspect that NZ may become a test case for the spread of the current China virus.
  But 95% vaxxed must be safe, mustn’t they?
  Mustn’t they?
  And has anyone got any info/data about the claimed differences in the contents of different batches of the vaccines?
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:23am
- Jim
  
  Unlike a previous time in history the current government has nil strategic advantage in playing the covid lockdown border closure game again in 2023.
  
  It was a very discriminatory health issue in 2020, but it was very much overplayed to gain advantage in politics, power and money.
  
  Never mind Ardern, more importantly where is old Dr Tedros (Director General at the World Health Organisation) this time, perhaps offering a warning to Xi?
  
  Call me cynical, but it’s perhaps a coincidence the Xi helped to get Tedros appointed to the WHO lead role. But maybe that’s why he is NO WHERE TO BE SEEN on the CCP Covid News cycle around the world.
  
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  December 29, 2022 7:42pm
vand

Worse, Godfery with an undergraduate degree in law has been appointed a lecturer at Vic Law School- I understand though that he has outstanding DNA , if you know what I mean!
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December 29, 2022 8:57am
ClanMcleod

Well this is inconvenient.

In November, Andrew Milburn, retired U.S. Marine colonel Deputy Commander of Special Operations Command Central who created the Mozart Group PMC, gave an interview on YouTube.

In the 2hours long interview he provided a lot of interesting details of his military experience, including in Ukraine. He also described his attitude towards the country he came to “protect against the Russian invaders”.

“A corrupt, fucked up society. I’m not a big fan of Ukraine. Ukrainians violate the Hague Convention. They should not film their crimes on video, so as not to attract the attention of the media. Yes, Ukrainians are violating… They film a number of things they do with prisoners of war, violating the law on military conflicts. Guys, the murder of Russian prisoners (a common thing).

It’s not about Ukraine. I had the Ukrainian flag tied to my bag, but I’m not “Oh my God, Ukraine is so awesome!” No, cause… fucked up people are running Ukraine!”

https://southfront.org/head-of-mozart-group-fked-up-people-running-ukraine-corrupt-fked-up-society/

That’s probably a conspiracy theory, misinformation at the very least.//
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December 29, 2022 9:36am
- Ghost
  
  How strange. I read the Newsweek article about this last night where he also said Russia is doing better than people are being told. Just went back and they have removed that from the article.
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:48am
  - kevn
    
    @Ghost… Alexander Mercouris has an interesting daily update on youtube. An accumulation of information from many sources, makes for well rounded comment.
    
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    December 29, 2022 10:14am
  - Sacha
    
    No wonder newspapers have gone out of fashion! The printed word lives on and writers were more cautious about what they said.
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:26am
    - Jack5
      
      Sacha’s … the printed word lives on …
      
      Except in NZ, where vandal bureaucrats have sold or given away a big slice of the national book collection.
      
      Paper-book records have shown they can last for many centuries, while computer records, including digital books, face new problems.
      
      These include outmoded software to read them, and potential problems with storing them – unless archivists use something like the special “M discs” with more durable material replacing the dye layer of most convention CDs and DVDs.
      
      With M Discs, the problem may be will there be computers, software and disk drives available to read them after a thousand years.
      
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      December 29, 2022 3:08pm
  - Alex
    
    Ghost,
    Prigozhin head of Wagner Group said to have political ambitions therefore fallout with Putin.
    A house divided against itself cannot stand.
    
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    December 29, 2022 2:02pm
    - Ghost
      
      An interesting interview with Colonel Douglas MacGregor
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNX6hQVgyWQ
      
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      December 29, 2022 2:39pm
- Cassandra
  
  There’s an article re this on Newsweek which clarifies his position.
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:07am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Was it that he was pissed as a chook at the time? lol
    If you have a link I’d like to read it. He won’t be welcome back in Ukraine for a while if it isn’t some sort of amazing explanation. 🤡
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:56am
- Alex
  
  Clan I listened to Milburn from Mozart . Are they in competition with the Wagner group. Seem to have a musical bent.
  Wagner are saying Russiam military withholding ammo from them at Bakhmut wishing their guys dead.
  
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  December 29, 2022 1:33pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Lots of rumours regarding events in Ukraine. Fog of war etc. I tend to ignore most of it. After almost 3 years of lies and narrative control from the Ardern government I can’t begin to imagine how much information warfare is going on from both sides in Ukraine.
    Mozart group was set up as a counter to the Wagner Group. Apparently things aren’t going too well for them. But I have no way of verifying the accuracy of this article.
    
    Retired Marine Corps Colonel Andrew Milburn, who leads the American mercenaries, explained that members of his group cannot stay in hotels now because they are being targeted by Russian missiles. As the name suggests, Mozart Group was intended as a counterpoint to Wagner, but was unable to provide decent opposition to the Russian PMC.
    
    https://southfront.org/american-veterans-from-the-mozart-group-confirm-the-critical-situation-of-ukrainian-troops-in-bakhmut/
    
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    December 30, 2022 7:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-dark-facts-of-the-waitangi-tribunal/
There is a lot going on here. Will digest it this arvo. Visitors from Oz coming.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/THE-DARK-FACTS-ON-THE-WAITANGI-TRIBUNAL.pdf
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December 29, 2022 9:46am
Brian McDonald

I don’t recall his name but an ex-Labour member is a leader and spokesman for Dairy owners. Rather than urge his members to drop tobacco and vaping products for safety instead seeks the tax to be reduced on tobacco products.
Clearly, he doesn’t speak for all Dairy owners because the number of regular smokers has dropped, and the number of Dairies holding tobacco stock or vape products has also fallen.
When the prohibition idea was first mooted many correctly predicted it would lead to a black market. But if the number of smokers continues to fall so will the black market. The Indian political aspirant has said smokehouses will emerge.
NZ wiped out the heroin trade with methadone eventually, could we next see the medical distribution of vapes instead of chimney smoke around the hood during summer and landlords complaining of yellow walls as the “meth cleaners” add another service. Maybe even get to test nicotine levels themselves as a free service and quote option.
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December 29, 2022 10:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sunny Kaushal. Labour candidate then joined national. Probably no current political affiliation /s
  
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  December 29, 2022 3:40pm
oldpark

Ve terinarian Charges for sick animals.Mostly cats and dogs .
Seems a captive Clientele will pay almost whatever is charged by Veterinarian Companies .
Perception seems to suggest the mentioned Company charges are out of control .
Question really is are other pet owners feeling every time they go to a Vet with sick animals they seem to pay more and more than envisaged by a monopoly? .just saying .
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December 29, 2022 10:29am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Vets get no funding unlike doctors et al. So the result is all costs are passed onto the client plus the margin and of course GST that the government insists on taking too.
  
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  December 29, 2022 10:55am
- Ghost
  
  Get pet insurance
  
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  December 29, 2022 10:58am
  - rouppe
    
    $1.50 for a .22 round
    
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    December 29, 2022 1:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    Anyone here in, or retired from, the insurance industry, and who can tell us whether pet insurance is held to standards like those of human life insurers?
    
    If there was a sudden surge of a new cat or dog disease, are they good for a wave of claims?
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:02pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Quite a few years ago our last cat got admitted to the Vet Hospital at Mt Albert (kidneys).
  3 days cost $2500- worth it!
  Still the guy who came to pick up his German Shepherd just about died when they told him $5000!
  As Ghost says, ‘Pet insurance’.
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:42am
  - Inandout
    
    AoR, we have lost 4 cats to kidney failure and the signs are predictable. When the animal is on its last legs (so to speak) and pisses everywhere, the final injection must be administered.
    
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    December 29, 2022 12:34pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      He (Seal Burmese) was on medication for most of his life. A pill every day.
      He lived to 19.5
      
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      December 29, 2022 2:05pm
Taieri

NZ wiped out the heroin trade with methadone eventually
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In order to replace it with methamphetamine…
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December 29, 2022 10:34am
Don Beckett

Our Mikey is slipping up – or maybe its just the name association.
Today is the Memorial of St. Thomas Becket – archbishop of Canterbury, who was murdered on the steps of Canterbury Cathedral on this day in 1170 by a couple of King Henry II’s knights who took to heart an exclamation of Henry “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest”. Henry & Thomas were good friends in earlier times. Henry did penance by accepting some lashes for St. Thomas’s death.
I claim him as a ancestor – but don’t really know. He was born in London in 1118. I have ancestors in London traced back to the 17 century but can’t go back any further. There is/was a brick works on the Thames – Beckett’s Bricks – that was owned by my family. In the 1970’s I was manager in Rotorua of Fisher Windows, and my production manager had come from London & served his time with his father as a carpenter – they bought their bricks from Beckett’s Bricks.
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December 29, 2022 11:03am
- Cassandra
  
  Interesting story. Beket originally, from Normandy. Ordained 2 June 1162, enthroned as AB of Canterbury the following day!
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:20am
  - Don Beckett
    
    His parents were from Normandy – they went to England in the wake of the Norman invasion under William the Conqueror and settled in London.
    “enthroned” ?? Hardly the word for the consecration & instalation of a bishop 🙂
    
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    December 29, 2022 11:53am
    - Diogenes
      
      For what it’s worth, Don, my wife’s family tree includes Henry II. We both have ancestors who were allegedly nobility in Normandy, and possibly accompanied William to England. A very high proportion of our ancestors did things that we would not want to boast about, so we take these very lightly. Sadly, all the titles and lands vanished/dissipated within a couple of centuries, and maybe that was a good thing. Keeps us grounded.
      
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      December 29, 2022 12:49pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        The other side (maternal) of my family, the Nicholsons, were landowners in & around Cheshire, the family tree dates back to the 13th.century. They were lawyers & soldiers & some clergy. They were Catholic, and refused to sign the document as King Henry VIII being head of the Church, so they progresively had portions of land confiscated, so that now there only remains a few acres and the original dwellings – Baddesley-Clinton Hall, and Thelwall Hall,, where some of my relations still live.
        The of course, there’s the Cornish,Scottish, & Saxon sides – but I’m getting boring. 🙂
        
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        December 29, 2022 1:10pm
      - Alex
        
        Diogenes,
        I unearthed a forebear in Cornwall who Came over with the Normans and went o look at the hall, but only chimney place standing.
        
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        December 29, 2022 1:48pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I think your grasp of medieval history, and church history and theology, might be a bit weak, Don.
      Bishops, of course, were (and probably still are) princes of the church and so came complete with thrones and palaces and rituals to rival or even surpass secular monarchs.
      Becket, notoriously, was of low birth and scant education and made his name as an enforcer for Henry II. It was his betrayal of his master for his ill-conceived notion that he was now the King’s superior that cost him his life, but earned him the worship, and the church the treasure, of generations of credulous pilgrims.
      
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      December 29, 2022 3:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Here we go again with Mike.
        But hey Mike, this is the stuff I like from you. Your knowledge, and being able to understand that is great.
        Uptick Sonny – I would uptick more for this if I could.
        Please continue to educate us, and I mean it, I am not having a satirical dig.
        
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        December 29, 2022 3:07pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        A fair response mike. I guess from your perspective you see the negatives while from my perspective I see the positives. You are partly correct WRT bishops, how they were treated in medieval times, but not so much now. The bishops are actualyy the successors of the apostles – the title ‘prince of the Church’ is reserved to cardinals.
        I don’t think Beckett was necesarily of low birth – after all, in their youth, Henry & Thomas were friends as I understand it; but certainly of much lesser birth than Henry.
        
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        December 29, 2022 3:25pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Thanks Steve, I appreciate that from a mate like you.
        
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        December 29, 2022 3:41pm
      - kevn
        
        @mma… Google is your friend.
        
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        December 29, 2022 3:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Google is helpful, but a good encyclopedia and/or broad liberal education is vital. YouTube, substack, Twitter, etc and most webshites just feed you manure according to their calculation of your emotional preferences.
        
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        December 29, 2022 4:02pm
- Cassandra
  
  Additional trivia: the turbulent priest words were written in 1740. According to Simon Schama the king actually complained about ungrateful low-born clergy.
  
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  December 29, 2022 11:25am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Two good films starring Peter O’Toole
  
  Becket with Richard Burton and The Lion in Winter with Katherine Hepburn
  
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  December 29, 2022 2:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Lion in Winter is superb. Also the great BBC series from the 1970s, The Devil’s Crown – the Plantagenets were reputed to be descended from a demon.
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:12pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Don, you need to lodge a claim for hurt and loss against the Crown. Charlie is worth a few bob – he might pay you out.
  
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  December 29, 2022 2:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Charlie boy looks down at us peasants. All looks good on TV, but he is the King, and we are not.
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:10pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    @Tomt…. I understand that some of the English rellies investigated some form of claim in the 1960’s for recompense from the millions held in “chancery” ???( I think) But as one would expect, it went nowhere, that I have heard.
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:29pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      As a catholic, you might need to get in line behind the current heir to the Stuart claim to the throne of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the assorted other territories. Meet your liege lord, Duke Franz of Bavaria.
      
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      December 29, 2022 3:45pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Actually the rellies who applied are protestant – a part of the family that caved to the pressure. But I have no interest in trying to recover wealth that was ‘stolen’ by the crown over the past 200 to 400 years in England.
        
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        December 29, 2022 4:25pm
Nickc2

Is this Cindy’s revenge on the NZ Populace?
She won’t test Chinese Tourists entering NZ for Covid-19 even though it’s running rife in China.
IMO she wants another epidemic of it to hit NZ (if it hasn’t already) in order that she can initiate more lockdowns and regulations to enhance her chance of re-election in 2023.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-new-zealand-has-no-plans-to-test-travellers-from-china-as-other-nations-impose-restrictions-after-spike-in-cases/LLQ2OGWVTZGS3PQUYC4O7GNCY4/

Not Paywalled.
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December 29, 2022 12:42pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Also possible chy na knows something about C19 that we don’t. Yes not exactly the “abundance of caution” previously sold to the sheeple by wonder woman & co.
  
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  December 29, 2022 1:17pm
  - Keith White
    
    We do know the following:
    – The Sinovac & similar Chinese vaccinations had a efficacy down around the 8 to 10% even for the first variant. we can’t trust any of the medical information coming out of China, but we can trust what happens to people vaccinated in China who then go overseas and get checked and/or sick
    – The lockdowns have provided the virus the opportunity to mutate competitively with itself – because lockdowns reduce the circulation of milder variants amongst the population which would otherwise confer better natural immunity
    – Typically, a rapidly spreading virus tends to become less harmful as it changes because this helps it survive. If the virus kills too many of its hosts, it is more likely to die out. If it becomes milder, it spreads further. But when we interfere by preventing it spreading rapidly we encourage the development of more pathogenic versions.
    – There is an assumption that people are in hospital because of Covid when many of them are in hospital with Covid. If they are in hospital because they have more severe underlying conditions, we are bringing them together where the more virulent i.e. nasty virus variants cannot just infect the more medically vulnerable, but can spread to staff, visitors and other patients so they get to spread easier while the milder variants in the community find spreading harder under the lockdown.
    – And there is one other happening which has gone under most of the mainstream media radar, but it is important: the numbers of dead in China is increasing very rapidly but it’s mostly the elderly. Because of the proximity of old people to other generations in China due to intergenerational living (which is also a major feature of Italian life, which explains the significant death rate in the Italian elderly when the Chinese first came over from Wuhan to Italy via Milan during Chinese New Year at the start of the outbreak…), this provides the ideal way to cull the population of the no-longer productive while terrifying the productive.
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:06pm
- Alex
  
  Nick I agree Cindy looking for lockdown after poor showing in the Tron and Mayoral races.
  Thinks it’s way to win 2023.
  
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  December 29, 2022 1:54pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t forget, she still has the marriage card to play.
    She’s fuckin desperate.
    
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    December 29, 2022 2:00pm
- Keith White
  
  Completely agree Nick, this way she gets the double; pleases her Chinese masters, and has a great ‘reason’ to lock us down again.
  
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  December 29, 2022 2:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We all know that Jaspinda is desperate. Any crisis to act upon.
  Even a manufactured crisis that does not even exist. Anything, anything please.
  [Mod – no need to bring a politician’s child into your post]
  
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  December 29, 2022 3:27pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    So what Stevo ?
    My guess is that half of the relationships currently in this country are de facto.
    
    I bet within you wider family there are defacto relationships there as well .
    But anything to disparage Jacinda and you are in boots and all.
    
    [Mod – no need for that]
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:50pm
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    Thanks Mod, that has squared that up.
    
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    December 30, 2022 9:53am
Diogenes

For what it’s worth, Don, my wife’s family tree includes Henry II. We both have ancestors who were allegedly nobility in Normandy, and possibly accompanied William to England. So I apologise profusely for the harm caused to one of your ancestors. A very high proportion of our ancestors did things that we would not want to boast about, so we take the titles very lightly. Sadly, all the titles and lands vanished/dissipated within a couple of centuries, and maybe that was a good thing. Keeps us grounded.
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December 29, 2022 1:00pm
- Don Beckett
  
  We cannot be held responsible for the sins of our fathers. :-).
  But with St.Thomas’s death and elevation to sainthood by martyrdom, Canterbury became one of the most popular pilgrimage sites in the medieval period. It is about a pilgrimage to Canterbury that Chaucer wrote The Canterbury Tales.
  It’s an ill wind that blows no good. 🙂
  
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  December 29, 2022 1:19pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The Kings of that time had so many bastards that most people who can trace their Heritage back to 1066 most probably have one of the early Norman Kings as an ancestor.
  
  The programme Who do you think you Are, had an actor from East Enders and he was descended from Edward 111 and therefore 1 and 11
  
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  December 29, 2022 2:00pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I have read that if you have one ancestor born in England before 1900 you are almost certainly a descendant of Edward I, who had about 15 children.
    
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    December 29, 2022 3:49pm
    - Jack5
      
      Mathematicians following Kiwiblog, please help …
      
      Since Edward the conqueror, about 35 to 40 generations perhaps.
      
      A person comes from two parents, four grandparents, eight great-great grandparents, the number of progenitors going up by two to the power of one, power of two, power of three … and on.
      
      Say, 2 to the power of n, where n begins with your parents, and continues your grandparents as n+1, great-grandparents n+2.
      
      When we get to 35 generations back, or n to the power of 35, we have about 34.3 billion progenitors.
      
      That seems enormous and impossible.
      
      Where am I going wrong?
      
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      December 29, 2022 4:34pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        “Since Edward the conqueror, ”
        I suspect you mean William the Conqueror who invaded England in 1066.
        I think mike was referring to Edward I – king about 200 years after William the Conqueror, who initiated the clearances in Scotland, and wanted to breed them out because they were so bolshie – and still are .
        
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        December 29, 2022 5:12pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Go back far enough, Jack, and the majority of those ancestors will appear millions of times in your family tree.
        And all descended from Adam and Eve.
        
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        December 29, 2022 5:16pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Don
        Edward I conquered the Welsh fought for his suzerainty over the Scots after they could not produce any heir.
        The enclosures and clearances were initiated much later, by the Scottish aristocracy themselves, to remove the less productive peasantry in favor of large-scale grazing.
        
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        December 29, 2022 5:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Don B.: Sorry, my mistake, I meant William the Bastard, later known as William the Conqueror.
        
        Milky is right, of course, that some of the millions in the tree, and increasingly many of the millions, will be descended from the same progenitors.
        
        But the figures still look too great to be correct.
        
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        December 29, 2022 5:35pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Your mistake is to assume these individuals are all unique whereas in fact they are only potentially unique.
        
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        December 29, 2022 9:32pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The history of the last few 1000 years is aristocrats and wealthy merchant progeny steadily replacing the starving and marginalized dirt poor who were squeezed out and frequently unable to raise children. We are all the children of aristocrats.
  
  And in a wider view every culture on earth had to find some mechanism for culling unstoppable excess fertility. Kids and young adults had to be killed off somehow via starvation, disease, capital punishment, slavery, warfare, slavery, infanticide, monastic orders etc. Every single culture had some mix of methods, direct or indirect. It was never gentle friendly or peaceful.
  
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  December 29, 2022 3:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi/Zelenski.
Nacy sends $45B to Ukraine, when her constituents are like this?
What a wonderful caring woman.

https://spreely.video/v/3314328615/Pelosi-Excitedly-Sent-45B-To-Ukraine–While-Her-Constituents-Suffer
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December 29, 2022 2:14pm
- krazykiwi
  
  How much of that public money ends up back in Democratic coffers?
  
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  December 29, 2022 4:42pm
Ghost

A Christchurch couple whose dog was shot by police during a manhunt are wishing there was some other way the pet could have been immobilized other than a bullet.

Grieving owners Harrison Pollock and Jess Inglis are now asking what could have been done to prevent their dog Maverick’s death.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-police-shoot-civilians-dog-during-manhunt/MF6RPMUP3BEPRKV3HWECZIJG4Y/
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December 29, 2022 2:22pm
- Keith White
  
  If the media have it correct, then it seems that the police entered a property completely unlinked to the offender, and shot the dog that was guarding the property. Seems unlikely that there will be any repercussions for the Blue Patched Gang member.
  
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  December 29, 2022 2:42pm
- Jack5
  
  If cops chasing someone shot my dog, I’d politely ask for a police dog pup as a replacement.
  
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  December 29, 2022 2:54pm
  - Ghost
    
    Is it a problem that if the cops came into our property our dog would sit there licking them, shit he’d lick a criminal to death as well
    
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    December 29, 2022 2:57pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Guard dogs, like locks, only frighten or deter honest people.
      
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      December 29, 2022 3:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        That will be why some American prisoners use dogs against convicts and apparently some use them cruelly.
        
        https://www.hrw.org/news/2006/10/09/us-attack-dogs-used-against-prisoners
        
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        December 29, 2022 5:33pm
  - Jim
    
    I’d be incandescent with rage. Get off my property!
    
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    December 29, 2022 7:57pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  A horrible situation caused by a crim. The police did not have another option but to shoot the poor dog protecting its family.
  
  The police should cover any reasonable expenses for the dog owners and offer to replace the dog.
  
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  December 29, 2022 7:23pm
  - Jim
    
    That seems the minimum they should do.
    
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    December 29, 2022 7:58pm
Jack5

Socking it to the Widely Woke BBC …

A group of British academics has accused the BBC of “rewriting British history to promote a Woke agenda”.

The group, including war historian Andrew Robert and Oxford lecturer Marie Kawthar Daouda, says the BBC needs to stop apologising for British history.

Members accuse the BBC of “systemic failure” to present a rounded picture of the past.

They allege BBC documentaries on subjects including slavery, colonialism and the Irish famine distort the truth about Britain’s past through inaccuracy or omitting important facts.

Roberts accuses the BBC of pursuing a “fatwa” against Sir Winston Churchill.

The Telegraph says the historians compiled a report through the group History Reclaimed, whose co-editors are David Abulafia and Robert Tombs – senior professors at Cambridge. Supporters include Lord Chartres, the former Bishop of London; and academics Vernon Bogdanor, Niall Ferguson, and Lawrence Goldman.

We need NZ culture warriors to stand against the anti-British warping of New Zealand history, especially as brain washing is about to begin in our primary schools.

History Reclaimed says the “Culture Wars” are particularly virulent in North America, Australia and New Zealand, and Britain.

The History Reclaimed web site:

https://historyreclaimed.co.uk/why-we-are-reclaiming-history/
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December 29, 2022 2:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  You seem to believe, along with some historians, that there is some ‘true’ history that has been distorted in recent years. Without going all post-modernist and describing all history as literature, it helps to bear in mind that one of Europe’s great intellectuals one described history as ‘the argument without end’.
  
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  December 29, 2022 3:17pm
- Jack5
  
  Another bulletin from the UK Culture Wars …
  
  The Telegraph reports:
  
  For maths degrees, professors are being pressured to explain how they are presenting a “multicultural and decolonised view” of the subject. In a recent consultation, the Quality Assurance Agency, which advises universities on course standards, said maths professors need to “present the work of a diverse group” of mathematicians, and ensure students are aware if they had “connections to the slave trade, racism or Nazism.”
  
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  December 29, 2022 9:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump is throwing out bait with his Company Tax returns. The Dems are taking that bait. Soon, Trump will have them by the short and curly – when the Democrats have to disclose Tax Returns. Aimed at you Joe. This is a 3D Trump Chess Game.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/did-he-consent-dems-face-a-massive-legal-battler-after-releasing-trumps-tax-records/
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December 29, 2022 2:29pm
CAKE FACE1

I watched a documentary about the einsatzgruppen. It mentioned that eleven out of the twenty-one leaders of this mobile killing unit had Phd’s. One of the leaders actually had two Phds.

Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich was highly educated himself, and preferred to hire extremely intelligent individuals to oversee his mass murder diktats.

The job of the leaders of the einsatzgruppen entailed convincing soldiers to murder first men, and then women and children, initially by machine gunning groups of people into pits.

The advantage of using “expert” university educated people in this role is that these people tend to be very adept at rhetoric. The intellectuals were naturally skilled at conducting convincing propaganda as to why these harmless women and children were supposedly an existential threat to the German people.

It all seems quite insane, and although perhaps fortunately history won’t repeat this, history does rhyme.

It occurred to me that socialist governments still use government funded “experts” to exhort fear, against imagined enemies. We have just experienced a so-called “war” on a virus, where an imaginary “white supremacist far-right conspiracy” was conjured up, to justify quite extraordinary human rights abuses.

It is little wonder that ordinary people lose faith in the so-called “experts”.

There needs to be some accountability and responsibility when these “experts” get it all wrong, as they did during the Covid hoax. Alas, I doubt this will ever happen…
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December 29, 2022 3:09pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep, Germany was at the front of academic education in the lead up to World War 2. The double Ph.D. honorific of “Dr-Dr” wasn’t rare.
  
  Test pilot Eric (Winkle) Brown, who led the British evaluation of German aircraft at the war’s end, concluded the Germans were well ahead of America and Britain in aviation technology. The Moon landings were made on developments from Nazi technology.
  
  In the Ph.D race, NZ isn’t doing badly. Fed by the taxpayer we have hundreds of consultants with Ph.D.s in environmental studies, social welfare, and a range of other ‘soft-science’ subjects.
  
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  December 29, 2022 3:48pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    All I can say is NZ is outside the top 8 countries in PhDs per capita, well behind places like Slovenia and Luxembourg, but probably about par with the US, UK and Australia.
    You possibly notice more NZ PhDs in subjects of which you disapprove because you are looking for things to offend you.
    
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    December 29, 2022 5:28pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  [Mod – deleted, trolling]
  
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  December 29, 2022 3:52pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    Trolling.
    
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    December 29, 2022 4:03pm
  - Mike
    
    [Mod – stop trolling and try debating]
    
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    December 29, 2022 4:18pm
greybeard

I came across this today.
https://lgwm.nz/news-and-media/meet-the-team/programme-director-sarah-gardner/
Is this really the best person to promote walking, running, cycling as alternatives to driving ?
Sorry, but this is not a good look.
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December 29, 2022 3:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Should have pink hair. It is the “in” thing you know.//
  
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  December 29, 2022 4:18pm
- BeaB
  
  An excellent choice. She can be an example to us all. Unless, of course, she is yet another bureaucrat who says do what I say not what I do.
  Surely not.
  
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  December 29, 2022 5:36pm
mikenmildagain

Question of the day:
Why are NZ (and Pakistani) cricket commentators so much better at banter than their Australian counterparts?
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- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am not sure if you mean this, or just another trolling comment Mike.
  
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  December 29, 2022 4:20pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Please enlighten us. 🙂
  
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  December 29, 2022 4:30pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    The Aussie commentators come over as very forced and unnatural in their humour. I have much preferred the TV commentary from our super smash and the test in Pakistan. Informative and very often witty.
    
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    December 29, 2022 5:31pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’ve always thought the Australian commentators try to make the opposition sound like they’re in the game even when they’re being crushed.
      I suppose they have to keep some interest in the game for the poor sods who forked out megabucks for tv rights.
      
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      December 29, 2022 7:53pm
- MCōs
  
  Peak cricket commentary in NZ occurred years ago during a particularly somnolent period of play when the commentators gave up on the game and kept the listening public amused with halarious tales from their own playing days.
  Everyone in the crowd was listening on their transistors and gales of laughter livened up the Basin for an hour or so.
  The players were totally bemused because they knew the game itself was no laughing matter. In fact it was deadly dull.
  Never happened again.
  Walter Hadlee or someone probably gave them a thousand lines .
  
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  December 29, 2022 4:38pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Somnolent. I needed to look that up. What a splendid word. It is how I feel when forced to scroll past milky’s trolling.
    
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    December 29, 2022 4:49pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Somnolence is one of the pleasures of watching test cricket all day or evening. A sign of true relaxation.
    
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