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Any special plans to celebrate the Feast of the Holy Innocents today?
Personally, I prefer the simplicity of Only Four Pasta-eating Days Left This Year Day.
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December 28, 2022 8:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Personally, I don’t give a toss what the nutjobs do today.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:08am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes – went to Mass this morning for that reason. 🙂
    Best of luck with your pasta eating, mikey, but watch out for all those calories – especially if you are washing it down with copious quantities of a good shiraz. 😆
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:35pm
- Simon
  
  MM your special plans, as you were big on the jaxx, should involve getting cancer screening appointment made.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:15am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’ve never eaten a Holy Innocent. What do they taste like?
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:34am
  - Mike
    
    Dunno, going for the pasta myself. Leaving the cannibalistic rituals to other religions.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:47am
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/superstar-loser-tops-list-2022s-political-losers
Losers from the US midterms.
While noting that Trump lost a lot of credence in the midterms, many of his endorsed candidates are now in government and he has transformed both the US judiciary and the republican party.
While DeSantis leads head to head, amongst a plurality of candidates Trump leads.
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December 28, 2022 8:12am
- Im Right
  
  I kinda secretly hope the ruling on Jan 6th hearings means he cannot run again for president, no conviction but a ban from running.
  That way he is not going to split the Republican party nor the nation and gives De Santis a clear run and the win.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If he is not convicted, what would be the legal basis for banning Trump from running?
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ban Trump running in 2024 coz you got TDS?
      
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      December 28, 2022 9:35am
      - Im Right
        
        Nope not TDS, he is an idiot…..I agree with his policies and USA was in great shape when he was president!
        But the guy is an arse and couldnt get off his twitter account and just creates mayhem between all the TDS people.
        I have always maintained if he didn’t tweet or make social media announcements he would be fine, but he can’t help himself and just makes people hate him more.
        
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        December 28, 2022 10:03am
    - hullkiwi
      
      The DoJ will charge Trump. There is too much evidence from 6th January hearings. Remember the 4 charges were only those that both parties could agree too.
      
      The DoJ have the opportunity to add charges, and all of this will be a distraction for Trump if he runs in 2024.
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not much of a hearing without the ability to Cross examine and where screeds of evidence is prevented from being released.
        Seriously, you are ok with how it was run?
        But, hey ho, lets get Trump.
        
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        December 28, 2022 2:15pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I didn’t intend to uptick you. My mistake.
        IMO, the Democrats are running Kangaroo Courts to get Trump. I hope one day he will have his revenge.
        
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        December 28, 2022 2:19pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Trump and his cronies chose not to be represented on the committee and many refused to testify. They can hardly complain when the committee recommends that the department of justice considers prosecutions.
        
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        December 28, 2022 5:13pm
  - Paulus
    
    Santis’s CV has just been shot to pieces today I understand.
    Much of it is pure fiction as has been proven.
    TTFN Santis
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:49am
    - CJames
      
      There is a difference between de Santis and Santos. Or can’t you differentiate – all look the same to you?
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:18am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The GOP is in a rather difficult position.
    
    Whatever you think of Trump, he still commands a large percentage of the Right vote, and the GOP still hasn’t figured out how to divest themselves of Trump, while retaining his supporters.
    
    A criminal trail, and conviction, might just be the best way of achieving this, especially if they maintain that the process has been (according to the GOP) partisan.
    
    This way, the GOP can be seen as fighting for Trump, while not having to deal with him as a candidate.
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:51am
    - hullkiwi
      
      However, as has been pointed out many times since November, Trump is now costing the GOP votes. This included only just squeaking control of the House of Representatives and failing to take control of the Senate. Note good when the Democrats are under pressure.
      
      So to all Trumpsters, may be you need to read the tea leaves again, and work out who will be leading the GOP in 2024, because I do not see how it will be Trump.
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is one person not being asked why Jan 6th happened.
    Nancy fucking Pelosi. Trump wanted 10 to 20 thousand National Guard Troops. Nancy stopped it. Why? She knew the infiltration was going to happen.
    BLM, Proud Boys, Antifa. Jake Angeli (idiot with the horns) Many more, including the FBI. These people infiltrated the Trump supporters and the Media immediately branded them as Trump rioters. Trump supporters do not behave like that.
    Pelosi knew she would be able to pin this on Trump – all in the plan to stop Trump running in 2024. Pelosi is evil.
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:53am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Pelosi does bear some responsibility for sure.
      The FBI involvement is odd too.
      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/12/was-january-6-pelosis-fault.php
      The sentences being given are very harsh too. In marked contrast to what is given to others like BLM and Antifa rioters.
      Its been an unsettling display of the State crushing its political opposition.
      
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      December 28, 2022 2:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And Pelosi is squeaky clean – why?
        
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        December 29, 2022 8:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I hope Trump stands aside and realises De Sandos would bolt in, can you imagine creepy uncle Joe debating De Santos
    ( you know , the thing)
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:25am
    - leoj
      
      Oh boy…talk about wires crossed……
      De Santis is not Santos.
      De Sandos doesn’t even exist.
      ….and you want us to believe that Luxon is going to be our saviour!
      Get facts straight before opening gob.
      
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      December 28, 2022 5:04pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Oh ffs, Luxon, or Luxton? Worry about your own pathetic opinion lad, if you think the boy child Seymour is going to save us you are deluded, he has stated again he doesn’t even know if he wants to be a minister
        
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        December 28, 2022 6:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Trump/Santos 2024!
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:35am
  - Cassandra
    
    Biden/Harris different but equal. Whitmer v DeSantis will be interesting but I kinda like the Virginia guy.
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:00am
  - Matt Long
    
    Biden/Rachel Levine 2024
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Florida needs him. Florida people have never been happier.
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:36am
    - Mike
      
      Read more carefully, Steve. Trump needs rising star George Santos, not Ron from Florida.
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I would like to see DeSantos stay in Florida. He has said to his fundraising donors that he will not run for POTUS if Trump runs.
    Who for VP? There is a woman I like. Very smart, but she lacks actual Political experience. Candace Owens.
    Others could run for VP. Kari Lake, now there is a Patriot fighter. Many others who could, but they are doing a good job where they are. Jim Jordan, Rand Paul.
    Really, I just don’t know enough. Only suggestions from those I do know a small bit about.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:08am
    - Nickc2
      
      I prefer Tulsi Gabbard myself. She was once a Democrat. Just imagine the look on Pelosi’s face if Tulsi ended up VPOTUS under Trump.
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        [Not everyone who appreciates KB wants to put up with your gutter language. Please modify your posting style. mod.]
        
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        December 28, 2022 11:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I don’t remember what I actually commented on here. I guess the language was it.
        OK Mods, I will go easy.
        
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        December 28, 2022 1:09pm
  - I remember when
    
    Biden/Pelosi/mikeandmildagain 2023/4
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:56am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Only two of those people are qualified by citizenship and none of them by temperament.
      
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      December 28, 2022 5:16pm
  - leoj
    
    I see what you did there but it’s gone over many heads.
    
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    December 28, 2022 5:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  It’s been said before, but I believe Trump will be elected with DeSantis as VP and serve until the Midterms before handing over to DeSantis.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:58am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Will. Never. Happen.
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:54am
    - Nickc2
      
      Based on what?
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:10am
      - septic skeptic
        
        They would have to impeach Trump again to get him out at the midterms.
        
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        December 28, 2022 10:45am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Dunno…..how about these?
        
        https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-privately-slammed-ron-052833946.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHFyECGX1cin-4giAK8m8lsWAa5xOOV-ZfwrcMsYsYCtdyD0ufW3m-NtgZpTe8gAmPf3mH1aNeXX-z4PT_9iv4KAwYzWtWNZoiwNJTSUelzC9qGwInpFaqkVgOZmkt2yyj-dZRCw40QtXx2GffSbi-wzBfJ6N0dd-Rc95NOSCzgd
        
        https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-slams-desantis-as-ungrateful-i-made-him-wapo-reports-2022-9
        
        https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-blasts-desantis-sign-2024-elections-launched-gop-slugfest-rcna56833
        
        https://news.yahoo.com/trump-invokes-ron-desantis-wife-222528659.html
        
        https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/08/politics/trump-desantis-2024-warning-shot/index.html
        
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        December 28, 2022 11:05am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Correct. Neither ticket will comprise nominees from the same state. Both tickets will comprise male-female nominees. (In that regard, this article is interesting: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2020/08/has-the-era-of-the-two-white-men-presidential-ticket-ended.html.)
      
      Also, Trump will crash and burn about April 2024 (maybe May, given that he won’t withdraw until even he realises it’s all over). He is now a known quantity; once bitten, twice shy. Plus, what you posted at 11:05AM, immediately above.
      
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      December 28, 2022 12:35pm
  - Ghost
    
    Trump will select a woman
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:19am
    - Mike
      
      Miss Teen America, or the daughter-wife Ivanka?
      
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      December 28, 2022 11:33am
  - Jimbob
    
    Trump will not win an election, he is useless. Americans don’t want a bar of him. He is too toxic.
    De Santis is the only GOP rep that is a shoe in.
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:05pm
    - Mike
      
      A ‘shoe-in’? If he puts his foot in it?
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:03pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “While DeSantis leads head to head, amongst a plurality of candidates Trump leads.”
  
  Pretty desperate, right there, if in fact it makes sense – which I doubt.
  
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  December 28, 2022 12:32pm
  - Matt Long
    
    If potential voters are ask to chose between Trump and DeSantis, more chose DeSantis.
    If the question is between a larger feild of potential candidates Trump leads.
    This most likely means Trump has some sticky support whereas DeSantis has supporters who are anybody but Trump.
    Desperately hope this helps your comprehension.
    
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    December 28, 2022 2:18pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That isn’t how the presidential election is run, as I suspect you know.
      
      [Show some respect – it’s not your place to be the grammar police. mod.]
      
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      December 28, 2022 6:09pm
Simon

Tesla shares tanking as Musk whistle blowers massive US gov. corruption and censorship. This is yet another e.g of how fake it all is.

Musk made his money by creating and selling fake EV shit to govt. They are either giving him a warning shot by tanking Tesla or the “richest man” will end up in jail with Tesla broken apart and sold off to the more compliant.
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December 28, 2022 8:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Jimmy Dore rightly describes the US political system as operating like the mafia. How the money to Ukraine is basically a money laundering operation to keep US weapons manufacturers profitable.
  He’s not wrong.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Y0Q6-F6IQ
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:50am
  - Nickc2
    
    How much US money gifted to Ukraine finds its way back to the Biden and Democrat Party coffers?
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:04am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Bidens, Obamas and Clintons have been trousering it for years.
      Aid for Haiti. 7 houses were built with those millions. Most money went to the Clinton Foundation.
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:12am
      - Ian Boag
        
        All right there on gatewaypundit.com I suppose .. ?
        
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        December 28, 2021 12:38pm
      - Nickc2
        
        That reminds me. Are we still donating NZDs to the Clinton Foundation? Surely, we must have paid for at least one of those houses by now?
        
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        December 28, 2022 10:22am
      - Mike
        
        Now do the Trump Foundation or his ‘university’.
        Then we can get back to the Clinton death list, Butt Hunter, Ben Ghazi and the Buttery Males.
        
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        December 28, 2022 10:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nah Ian. I got it off CNN
        
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        December 28, 2022 2:24pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Mike, I hadn’t heard, how much did the New Zealand government donate to the Trump Foundation on my behalf?
        Glad to hear you’re on to Trump University, now hit Tony Robbins ‘ 5 day Life Mastery University, it’s another obvious fraud. I’m not sure how you’ll get those snake oil salesmen who talk about the University of Life but I have faith in you to bring them down.
        
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        December 28, 2022 2:51pm
    - Keith White
      
      At least 10%…
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:52am
  - G152
    
    So all Putin has to do to stop this is to stop his attempted invasion
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:13am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The US government funded by lobbyists from the MIC won’t let him, it’s the easiest money they’ve made since Iraq and it comes without the downside of US body bags flying home every week.
      Their best formula to date, proxy war. All profit, minimal negative press. Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian.
      
      No, of course America didn’t overthrow the Ukrainian government in 2014 in a staged coup. Victoria Nuland didn’t discuss who they preferred as new leader and she didn’t say “fuck the EU” when someone queried what the EU might think about it.
      
      https://youtu.be/bdygnTrrGVI
      
      And of course Lindsey Graham and John McCain didn’t visit Ukraine when the coup was completed and actively encourage the Ukrainian military to increase the attacks on the Donbass and other Russian supporting regions and promise full support and material aid to help them defeat the Russians.
      
      https://youtu.be/JeWHviwLMy8
      
      No way could that possibly be seen as provocation by Putin and the crossing of a red line. No, he just decided to invade for the fun of it……//
      
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      December 28, 2022 11:08am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        And before the usual idiotic comments pop up, no, I don’t support Putin, no, I don’t think he should have invaded Ukraine. I think all wars are stupid and tragic. But seriously, how much provocation do you expect the Russians to put up with? It was becoming embarrassing for them. The more the neocons in the US got away with without retaliation, the more they ramped it up.
        
        That speech from McCain and Graham is all you need to watch to understand why the devastation of the last year has occurred. Imagine Russian politicians visiting Cuba and making those comments? We would already be in WW3 and we’re getting closer to it with the ongoing weapons and intelligence support coming from the US and NATO.
        This is seen as an existential threat by Russia. This is not geopolitical gamesmanship this time.
        
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        December 28, 2022 11:27am
- barnacle bill
  
  Say what you like about Musk, but his Tesla is one beautiful machine.
  My daughter and son inlaw just purchased a brand spanking new machine just before Xmas.
  
  Heaps of new Technology involved.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:48am
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah beautiful machines
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/22/tesla-crash-full-self-driving-mode-san-francisco
    https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-driver-watched-in-horror-tesla-crashed-burst-into-flames-2022-12
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:53am
  - leoj
    
    Tesla owners think they are saving the planet by buying EVs that 95% of the world powers by burning coal.
    Smug pricks.
    
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    December 28, 2022 5:09pm
- NothingLeft
  
  TSLA’s P/E is down to 33:1. They are growing sales/production rapidly – about 50% per year and have a lot of big new product lines lined up (Cybertruck), and perhaps Optimus in two years. They’re moving into buy territory for me – though previously I would have said they were overvalued.
  
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  December 28, 2022 5:16pm
Swifty

Transport Minister Michael Wood asks officials to ‘please explain’ the reasons for the appalling state of some of our roads.

The AA reckons it’s the totally predictable outcome of recent under-investment on maintenance.

FFS – five years in power and they haven’t a clue as to what’s going on in their areas of responsibility; the sole reason for their existence.

Not good enough.

If this was National, Labour MPs would be like screaming howler monkeys at the zoo.
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December 28, 2022 8:14am
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t forget Michael Wood’s only experience in life before entering Parliament was measuring men’s inner legs.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Wood was well know for his Brylcreem hair when he was measuring trouser legs, which he appears still to use too.
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:52am
    - Nickc2
      
      [Mod – no need for that]
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:05am
  - Taieri
    
    Wasn’t he selling Xmas trees for a while as well?
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:00am
    - pdm
      
      Have to be imitation Christmas Trees Taieri.
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:34am
  - Swifty
    
    To be fair, he was also a professional union organiser.
    
    Snigger.
    
    Doesn’t seem to have prepared him well for being New Zealand’s Minister for Transport though, does it?
    
    Clearly not across his portfolio.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is a union hack
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:33am
    - Paulus
      
      As a Union Hack he is well favoured to takeover from Ardern as soon as possible.
      Remember the Unions have the control again now of the Leader not the Caucus.
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:19pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        But but but Māori caucus, co wannabes remember
        
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        December 28, 2022 3:06pm
- Swifty
  
  Just imagine doing this in the private sector.
  
  You’re in charge and accountable for a large division in a large company, you are in the papers for poor performance and you have to write to your staff to ask what’s going on? For them to explain to you why you are being flayed in the media, and ruining your organisation’s reputation?
  
  You’d be gone by lunchtime.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:22am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just imagine if Steven Joyce was Minister. It has been obvious for 12 months that the highways are falling to pieces. Then he finally tells the media that he has asked NZTA what is going on.
    
    It would be unthinkable.
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Should ask Waka Kotahi. I don’t think NZTA exists any more.
      
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      December 28, 2022 10:16am
      - Drone
        
        He’s obviously confused about who ask, like most NZers and in the confusion chaos reigns..
        
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        December 28, 2022 10:28am
      - pdm
        
        NZTA to me and I use it on Stuff every chance I get.
        
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        December 28, 2022 10:37am
      - I remember when
        
        Waka Kotahi:
        Like all governmental departments, if they need to hire so many consultants, why do staff salaries continue to increase.
        Incidentally, the reason given for the level of salaries in Wellington is that you can’t afford to live there otherwise.
        The answer appears obvious.
        
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        December 28, 2022 12:12pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Note the rotten media said he asked in August? I call balderdash, why would you question poor work of your ministry only to announce it between Christmas and New Year ? They really are getting desperate
      
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      December 28, 2022 11:36am
  - nathie
    
    You’d be gone by lunchtime.
    
    That is, only if the Prime Minister did her job properly and held her Ministers to account (like every PM before her). But no, that is not her (cough, cough) “leadership” style.
    
    That is (part 2), if the 4th Estate did their job properly too and held Govt Minister’s to account (like they do when it is a National Govt).
    
    But no, for some reason the MSM think Michael Wood is one of Labour’s top performing Minister’s and dare not speak anything bad of him!
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:33am
  - Ruawai
    
    And you blame the CEO from 5 years ago for the companies failings.
    
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    December 28, 2022 2:07pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yes, very good point.
      
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      December 28, 2022 3:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Um, the manager would get the please explain, no matter whose mess it is
    
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    December 28, 2022 3:08pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Perhaps he could look in the mirror and ask himself why Labour changed the law to syphon money out of the Land Transport Fund to pay for his trainset?
  
  Nah, much easier to call for a working party, and commission a consultant to do another report.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    From day one Labour used much needed road user charges for cycle ways, trains, bus, and even walking tracks, this is the first time that money has been corruptly utilised
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:38am
- hullkiwi
  
  Swiftly, the answer is under investment in roads. Something that began pre-Covid. It can be laid at the feet of Julie Ann Genter (Parking Cinsultant).
  
  Funds were being diverted for pet rail and cycle projects. Then along came Covid & funds were and continue to be spent on anything but roading. Add on top damage caused to roads by storms, cutting fuel duty, half price fares, and the soon to be introduced community connect scheme, and the pot for maintenance becomes very empty, very quickly.
  
  The solution to the shortage of funds for road maintenance is then to delay essential maintenance even further into the future. The problem with this is scheduled riad maintenance becomes essential after periods of prolonged wet weather. Plus the rising cost of oil means the cost of bitumen rises, making any road maintenance more expensive, meaning less work can be done.
  
  So, in summary the state of NZ roads is a result of politics and poor economic management.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:22am
  - nathie
    
    So, in summary the state of NZ roads is a result of politics and poor economic management.
    
    If I may expand:
    
    So, in summary the state of NZ roads is a result of politics (political interference by the Green Party and left unchecked by the Labour Party) and poor economic management (that’s the Labour Party – Grant Robertson the buck stops with you big boy)!
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  A useless fuckwit asking more useless fuckwits a question reported by more useless fuckwits. Everyday life in Wellington.
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:15am
- Bob
  
  Labour MPs would be….?
  the entire unpaid NZ media would be running full page political assassination articles!!
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:25am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why is Labour always dragged kicking and screaming to do the basics
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:32am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Like all good politicians Labour offer promises and measure results in votes, as opposed to outcomes or dollars. Their priorities are re-election and skimming from the public trough.
    A poor politician is a poor politician.
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:03pm
  - Nickc2
    
    None of them have ever had a real job!
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:05pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      You have to wonder how they get voted in I suppose. Something about a majority of the voters being dumber than you 🙂
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      It would appear that David Parker once had a job in Dunedin as a Lawyer.
      Both he and his Property Developer Father caused much serious financial mayhem as a result.
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:23pm
      - Nickc2
        
        That says a lot about Lawyers. Every Lawyer I’ve had dealings with is as crooked as a Paper Clip. They all want to know how much money I have before they agree to take the work.
        
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        December 28, 2022 1:39pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        [Once again you make actionable and unsubstantiated statements. Either you provide evidence of your accusations, or, preferably, make them elsewhere, not on DPF’s blog. mod.]
        [Edit: PS, do it again and you will be on a ban break. mod.]
        
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        December 28, 2022 7:03pm
ClanMcleod

I’ve mentioned a number of times here that I have made repeated requests to numerous politicians, journalists and “experts” for some clear examples of what they are referring to when they talk about “mis/disinformation.”

I’ve never had a response.

This short video explains clearly why this is the case. The term is not applicable to any reality.

https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1603288721067216897?s=20&t=7IcNKW45ywKqQDlOdCSEGQ

…..the word ‘misinformation’ is used as a propaganda tool by those who have a stakeholder position in the vaccine agenda . . .

……they are using it as a euphemism for any statement that departs from any official government policies and pharmaceutical industry profit taking

That sums it up quite beautifully.
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December 28, 2022 8:14am
- Simon
  
  Misinformation is considered anything contrary to the official narrative.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  You win the prize for most persistent troll I’ve come across in the last few years. Almost an admirable quality. Almost.
  It’s astonishing that a human being can write so many words without actually contributing anything worthwhile to any conversation or debate.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:40am
- Yvette
  
  “Mis/disinformation” is a disparaging label for any information other than that of a person using the label.
  
  Wider in scope and perhaps simpler
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:45am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yvette – an excellent description.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:27am
Matt Long

Here’s a mind blowing insight into liberal minds.
It may be a totally weird people out, but sons bought up by two inseminated lesbians might not have much in the way of male role models.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/12/27/i-thought-my-4-year-old-was-transgender-i-was-wrong/
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December 28, 2022 8:16am
- Matt Long
  
  Meanwhile in Biden world the groomers are playing the hate speech card again.
  https://www.foxnews.com/media/rachel-levine-ripped-demanding-censorship-misinformation-gender-affirming-care-kids.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The new (and contradictory) phrase “gender-affirming” could have come straight from Orwell’s pen. Gender-affirming actually means gender-denying, for example a confused boy says he’s a girl, and all the efforts of his delighted socially-progressive “parents” are immediately geared to “affirm” that he’s now a different gender.
    
    What a load of utter nonsense. You want to affirm your child’s gender? Check their plumbing the next time they toilet – job done.
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:44pm
- Gravelroad
  
  It is a shame that these immature, self obsessed adults feel the need to live out their fantasies through children.
  They would treat their dogs better and do less harm.
  Get a dog next time.
  Buy the gender you want and dress it up accordingly.
  Leave the kids alone.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:40am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Matt Long:
  I bet that if these “mothers “ had given birth to daughters instead of sons they would have skipped along in their own little worlds with barely a thought of having to change the kids’ gender identities.
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘ideology began to meet reality’
  
  Sums it up
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:06am
- OlderChas
  
  The person/s referred to as the ‘gender therapist/s’ strike me as having an awful lot to answer for in this sorry saga. What training and qualifications does a ‘gender therapist’ get or gain?
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I got as far as the boy jumping up and down on the bed, saying “I’m a girl, I’m a girl”
  Those two lesbians have a mental issue. Look in the pants.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:40am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @SteveO-
    But the poor little kid was more or less told by the mother that he was a girl – because she had seen “the signs” (and probably only wanted a girl anyway).
    Its all about them – not him.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:10am
  - Ian Boag
    
    FWIW I know three sets of perfectly normal parents whose teenage children who are emphatic about being the “wrong” gender. The parents are all well-qualified professionals. Go figure.
    
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    December 28, 2022 1:03pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Children who are emphatic. I mean, no parent has ever had their children being “emphatic” about anything. When my oldest daughter was a child, she was “emphatic” that a flying saucer had landed in the back yard. Both of my daughters were “emphatic” that Father Christmas was real. And unfortunately Ian, the “perfectly normal” parents you know, if they are buying into this crap when their kids are children, are not perfectly normal, they are whack-job nutters.
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:43pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      For the children referred to in the article the gender questioning campaign began when they were very young ie: 4 years old.
      That’s a bit different to teenagers being emphatic.
      Not sure how the parents being well qualified professionals is relevant though.
      Or what “go figure’ is meant to imply.
      
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      December 28, 2022 6:05pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A lot of the mania for gender change seems to come from the general social maladaptation and uncomfortableness experienced by those with autistic spectrum disorders. Thankfully awareness of this is growing and should eventually correct the current insanity.
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:29am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Wonder if this will work?
https://www.facebook.com/theunitedspot/videos/446142609396799
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December 28, 2022 8:29am
Its only I

So according to stuffs carefully written stats filtered story…..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130862809/if-you-witness-a-crime-call-the-police-dont-be-a-vigilante#comments

10/10 for the selective stats and lies by omission…good summer gaslighting of anyone who thinks violent crime is a problem, its just in your head.

4/10 for Paul Goldsmiths response. Perfect example of how you let a journalist finish your sentences for you.
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December 28, 2022 8:32am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  With Dave Armstrong, local ‘satirist’ and Labour Party shill, it’s not clear which of his two hats he is wearing.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:32am
  - nathie
    
    Wouldn’t be surprised if he wears his flat cloth cap all the time …. like when going to sleep, having a bath and getting a haircut!
    
    Even Labour Party Elites support the “working class” … well until they get cancelled by millennials for being PSM!
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:49am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV6aWKTyAqA
Republicans Drop Migrants Off Outside Kamala Harris’ House.

Illegal migrants made it across the border, and were bussed to Anapolis by Governor Abbot. Cackles didn’t invite them in for Egnog, and pavlova. She has a wall, and armed guards. Millions of Americans don’t.
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December 28, 2022 8:33am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Splendid name for her.
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:18am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egb0KXpy31s
Kari Lake Goes Scorched Earth on Katie Hobbs!

It ain’t over until it’s over. She is going scorched earth on the Hobbs team. An appeal is likely. There could be perjury charges. Time for a recall.
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December 28, 2022 8:33am
ClanMcleod

The hypocrisy of the “green” movement and the drive for ever more “environmentally friendly” electric vehicles exposed in this Joe Rogan interview.

“They dig in absolutely subhuman, gut-wrenching conditions for a dollar a day, feeding cobalt up the supply chain into all the phones, all the tablets, and especially electric cars.”

There is no “clean cobalt”, it’s all marketing.

friendhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWvk3gJ_7E&t=1s
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December 28, 2022 8:33am
- Its only I
  
  You would have thought they would have learned better tricks from the oil industry. Nobody talks about cobalt’s use as a catalyst or in fact is use is not talked about in the tool steel industry.
  
  Its recovered as a by-product of mining the ores of iron, nickel, copper, manganese, silver, zinc and others in China, Canada, and Russia with the problem child being DRC no pun intended.
  The stupid way electric vehicles are marketed has left the industry open to finger pointing, often funded by those just as guilty. While pathetic point scoring is going on nothing is done about the problem of what the DRC are doing to its children.
  
  I have over 40 kilowatt hours of solar storage in lithium batteries and not a gram of cobalt.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The DRC supplies far and away most of the cobalt used in the world. Over 70%. EVs make up 24% of the demand for cobalt. As the drive to EVs keeps ramping up the demand for cobalt will obviously rise.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:25am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Australia is the world’s third-biggest supplier of cobalt, and last year alone produced 5,600,000 tonnes. It also has the second-largest cobalt reserves in the world, and production is tipped to increase by more than 5% each year for the next 5 or 6 years.
  
  Australian-mined cobalt is generally recognised as “clean cobalt” so my advice is to get off YouTube and start researching some facts.
  
  https://investingnews.com.au/cobalt-in-australia
  
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  December 28, 2022 12:51pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Loddenthinks – no I don’t think Australia did produce 5.6 million tonnes of cobalt.
    
    Australia is third in production, the way I read it they produced 5,600 metric tonnes last year. The DRC produced 120,000 metric tonnes. Over 20 times what Australia managed.
    Australia’s RESERVES are 1.4 million metric tonnes. The DRC reserves are 3.5 million metric tonnes. That’s information all from your source.
    
    Who produces the bulk of the world’s batteries do you think? How much does “clean” cobalt cost to produce compared to the kid mined stuff? Why do you think China and the US are over there trying to win them over? Its not because they care. In this instance they are as “kind and caring” as Brenda.
    
    Your link also points to studies showing that if the current demands for cobalt keep rising at present rates, EV manufacturers will be closing down due to lack of supply by 2030. More of those inconvenient laws of unintended (but entirely predictable) consequences.
    
    I’m simply pointing out the hypocrisy of “greenies” facing the planet while ignoring the facts in front of them. 70% is currently produced using totally unethical and abhorrent methods. I imagine their cobalt is a shit load cheaper to produce than Australia’s.
    
    Also even IF Australia ramped up to match DRC output, their total reserves would be gone in a decade. The demand for DRC cobalt isn’t going away any time soon.
    
    Most important point of all is, there aren’t enough resources to replace the current vehicles on the planet using current technology. It all points back to Klaus and Co and their marvelous reset.
    
    My criticism above is about the hypocrisy of the green movement. The abhorrent practices in the DRC was just a tragic side comment.
    
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    December 28, 2022 3:05pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Cobalt free LiPo cells are cheaper, safer and longer lasting than cobalt containing NMC cells, and are already used in half of all Teslas (standard range). They’ll gradually take over.
      
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      December 28, 2022 5:22pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Good to know.
        
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        December 28, 2022 8:03pm
      - CJames
        
        LiPo aren’t as good as made out. From what I’ve read, they have a lot fewer charging cycles before deterioration. There is still the big risk of fire in puncture events. A few spectacular fires will doom them. Think Pinto fuel tanks.
        
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        December 28, 2022 8:19pm
      - Its only I
        
        @CJames
        Some of the lithium problems come from the pouch style batteries using different chemistry.
        
        I cant comment on any other than my experience with lifepo4 cells. Some early sets have 1200 cycles on them with no noticeable degradation. Those who have used the cells for longer suggest calendar ageing will be their limiting factor.
        They do need good management though. Easy to build big capacity safe batteries with the gear available nowadays. Gone are the hobby 18650 cell power walls.
        
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        December 28, 2022 9:20pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Clan: all reasonable and fair comments, I’m 100% in agreement about greenies’ hypocrisy, it almost matches their smugness and stupidity.
      
      But I do take issue with your maths – “Currently, Australia is the third biggest producer of cobalt worldwide at 5,600,000 tonnes in 2021.” You’ve understated their output by a factor of 1,000. A tonne is recognised as a metric tonne i.e. 1,000 kg, and that’s what the article says.
      
      I admit it doesn’t make much sense if they produced 5.6m tonnes last year and only have reserves of 1.4m tonnes so maybe it’s the author’s maths that is wanting. Help!
      
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      December 28, 2022 6:17pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I’m not sure either, we’ll have to investigate, but isn’t that what discussion and debate is meant to be all about??? 🤔😂
        
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        December 28, 2022 8:06pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I got this from your link
        
        Australia
        Mine production: 5,600 MT
        
        Australia saw a small decrease in cobalt production from 2020 to 2021, with output falling 30 MT.
        
        I read that as 5,600 metric tonnes?
        
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        December 29, 2022 7:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is from FB 2013.
Check the link. The EU wanted to ban cinnamon rolls – no shit!
There seems to be a class of people who delight in affecting the lives of others by passing laws to control them. The problem is, once they have achieved their goal in the present, they must look to new avenues to continue their work and get their satisfaction,
This is why I am an avowed non smoker, but against the zealousness of the anti smoking nazis. Once they have stopped smoking, what self appointed cause will they take to next? We have seen the crackdown on smokes, and they are now turning their attention to fast food, beer, wine etc.
What we are seeing here in Denmark is what will happen here if we do not open our eyes.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/Traditional-Danish…
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December 28, 2022 8:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Find a cure for cancer you dickheads, instead of fucking around with cinnamon. FFS, they have been eating these things forever, and how many have dropped dead of cinnamon poisoning?
  
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  December 28, 2022 8:43am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m sure a few millennials carked it due to the stupid “cinnamon challenge” that went round like wildfire a few years back.
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:52pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Powdered cinnamon. I thought they had to eat cinnamon sticks.
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:07pm
MCōs

There’s a lot of cricket on TV.
The stadium in Jakarta is unbelievably bland and our bowling attack so ordinary.
Nothing seems to happen, but reading the scorecard the game seems like a rollicking affair.
The local T20 competition is much more fun.
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December 28, 2022 9:06am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hardly surprising. No cricket being played in Jakarta.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:15am
  - MCōs
    
    My apologies, Karachi.
    All these foreign places look the same to me . . .
    
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    December 28, 2022 9:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Don’t you mean Karachi?
  
  It is very odd. The stadium looks empty. Like a couple of hundred people in an 80000 seat stadium.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:33am
  - Mike
    
    Eithet rhe local fans are priced out or, more likely, the Pakistan authorities are taking few chances with security.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:36am
  - Gravelroad
    
    If Pakistan look likely to win this test match there will be more people given permission to turn up to witness a great victory, otherwise – security issues.
    There were more at the recent Pakistan v England matches, perhaps because the standard of cricket played was better, even though England (aka colonial oppressors) won.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:43am
- Mike
  
  It’s test cricket and the game is well balanced after 40% of the playing time.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:37am
- pdm
  
  It is test cricket which is the best watching of all cricket.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:41am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Quite right pdm. Who cares about T20? If I asked any real cricket fan at all about a T20 that happened last year in Pakistan or India (or NZ, Aus or England for that matter), they’d never be able to remember virtually any match. However, if I said Eng v Aus, Headingly 1981 (Botham 149, Willis 8-43 after following on), India v Aus, Madras 1986 (tie), India v Aus, Calcutta 2001 (VVS 281 following on), West Indies v Aus, Barbados 1998/99 (Lara 153* to win), cricket aficionados remember. Even when it comes to batting for instance, no one will remember an outstanding T20 player. But they remember Sobers, Viv and Barry Richards, Greg Chappell, Geoff Boycott, Steve Smith, Martin Crowe, Javed Miandad, Gordon Greenidge, Graham Gooch, Sunil Gavaskar, David Gower, Jacques Kallis, Sachin Tendulkar and the like.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:09am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Agree wholeheartedly pdm. I lasted until midway through the final session last night.
    
    I note that Devon Conway broke the record for the fastest Kiwi to 1000 test runs, bringing up the milestone in his 19th innings., However he might not hold the record for long; if Daryl Mitchell scores 59 or more in the first innings of this match, he will have reached the milestone in one innings fewer than Conway.
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:48pm
103PapPap

I see in the Herald today that Waka Kotaki are now blaming ‘Climate Change’ for the increase in the number and size of potholes throughout NZ.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pothole-nation-this-is-the-worst-the-roads-have-ever-been-aa-members/6ONBBHZJ3RD47N5JXL4Q5GAVCI/
And nobody questions this?
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December 28, 2022 9:16am
- Ghost
  
  Part of our highway was meant to have a $19 million reseal. Money was meant to have been there for it. Asked the neighbour who was a manager at Fulton hogan what happened, labour cancelled it. Once national get in they are going to have a shit load of infrastructure repairs to do.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:25am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Let’s assume for a moment they’re correct (they’re not). We have been getting told for years that ‘climate change’ is going to make everything worse (everything for more rain to less rain, more wind to less wind, warmer temperatures to colder temperatures, everything). The lies are relentless.
  Anyway, given that, why haven’t Waka Kotahi allowed for this in their planning?
  I wonder which has made teh bigger difference – ‘climate change’ or this (from the article)…
  “Transport officials have launched the country’s largest road renewal programme, telling the Herald a previous “flatlining” of funding for road maintenance had created “a backlog of renewals”.”
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:50am
  - Mike
    
    The political temptation is always to build new roads rather than adequately maintaining the existing ones. This long-standing tradition became even worse 20(?) years ago when giant trucks were permitted to wear out roads that were never designed for such extreme loads.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:12am
    - Bob
      
      The larger multi wheeled trucks have a lower footprint load on the road surface than the older 5 ton Bedfords.
      
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      December 28, 2022 11:56am
      - Paulus
        
        Remember EVs are a much heavier weight on the road surface than traditional cars.
        
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        December 28, 2022 1:33pm
      - Matt Long
        
        So climate change is causing the potholes – through more people driving EVs. I wonder what happens to people in a micro sized car T boned by an EV, it probably isn’t pretty.
        
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        December 28, 2022 2:27pm
    - CJames
      
      No Mike. You are wrong. 8 tonne (actually 8200kg) axles have been around maybe 50-60 years and is still the limit without an overweight license. Many of the trucks have less than 8 tonne axle weights when fully loaded. They allowed trucks to go from 40 to 46 tonnes but they needed the extra axle. That meant the loading per axle dropped.
      https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/vehicle-classes-and-standards/vehicle-dimensions-and-mass/
      
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      December 28, 2022 12:07pm
      - Mike
        
        Thanks – I sit corrected.
        
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        December 28, 2022 1:08pm
- pdm
  
  NZTA would never do that sort of misspeaking.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:43am
- CJames
  
  NZTA or whatever the want to be called can’t lie straight in bed. They might want to blame climate change for their getting behind on maintenance, but NIWA
  https://niwa.co.nz/climate/summaries/annual and the Stats department
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/indicators/rainfall
  din’t get the memo.
  If anything, the stats show places like Northland are getting drier.
  Or did NZTA lie to take the blame away from an incompetent Minister? I very much suspect that is the case as they have form.
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:18am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    NZTA lie all the time but they are so stupid they only know they are lying some of the time.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:22am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Waka Kotahi have told us ““we’re seeing these events occur more frequently now due to climate change”.
    I wonder if Neil Reid (the bloke who wrote the article) thought about taking the time to check any of the claims made by them, or is that sort of thing a bit last-century?
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:46am
    - Taieri
      
      I wonder if Neil Reid (the bloke who wrote the article) thought about taking the time to check any of the claims made by them, or is that sort of thing a bit last-century?
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      Why should he? The science is settled. Our Crime Minister has said so many times.
      
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      December 28, 2022 12:26pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’m surprised they didn’t blame “the Russians”. Or covid? Maybe they’re keeping their powder dry……
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That is utter bullshit, they say it’s caused by a down pour or heavy rain, don’t remember down pours in the 70s and 80s tearing roads to bits
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:54am
  - CJames
    
    One of the reasons why old roads lasted was the MWD used to grade very big gravel shoulders/ berms on the sides of roads. The subbase down to about 600mm has to stay out of the water table. If it doesn’t, the sponginess and axle weights will allow movement in the coating and surface causing cracks. Roadmaking 101.
    Over recent years, the sides of the roads haven’t been maintained. They also reprofiled the cambers as drivers weren’t competent enough to pull to the side without rolling. Grass now grows right to the edge of the seal. So water gets in. How often in the wet have you seen swampy conditions roadside. That will be potholes in six months’ time.
    No use fixing potholes without fixing the shoulders. But no doubt NZTA will have road cones for Africa and all the supervision staff have the correct pronouns. No competence in road making and the roading manuals have to be read, not looked at on a utube video. Can’t have everything can we?
    
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    December 28, 2022 3:46pm
- Bob
  
  Of course this ‘climate change is true!. as the earth heats up from the increased atmospheric temperature, the diameter of the hole in the road increases, and hence the spherical depth also increases. 5th form SC science, remember the ball and the ring experiment.
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:59am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Should NZ have let the Dizzee monster into the country?

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2022/12/dizzee-rascal-women-s-refuge-applauds-vodafone-s-move-to-pull-sponsorship-from-rhythm-vines-stage.html
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December 28, 2022 9:18am
- Ghost
  
  One/Vodafone if they were serious would have removed their advertising completely, not just from his act.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:26am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    [To make such an assertion will require some actual evidence please. mod.]
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:55am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Mod – don’t debate with a mod, if you can’t provide evidence then move on]
      
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      December 28, 2022 3:02pm
- nathie
  
  From “proudly” Wokefone now to “colonialist” One NZ in 2o23 … suspect they will soon be getting a hammering on Twitter by the perpetually offended!
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:56am
Yvette

“Co-governance” 50/50

Maori population portion is about 17 percent
To make that equal to 50 percent, multiply by 3
(equals 51, close enough)

Non Maori 83 percent multiply by 0.6
(gives 49.8, close enough too)

So for “co-governance”, 50-50, Maori have 3 votes each
Non-Maori have 0.6 each

So a Maori vote is 5 times 1 non-Maori vote
(of course just divide 3 by 0.6)

So “CO-GOVERNANCE” = IWI 5, KIWI 1

Or, an even more direct rehash of Don Brash billboards,
and a Jacinda bumper-sticker or slogan length, just –
IWI 5, KIWI 1
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December 28, 2022 9:37am
- septic skeptic
  
  Fair point, but I think the real position is worse than that. My understanding is that Maori get to participate in the “democratic” 50% in addition to the “apartheid” 50%. So 83% of the population get 41.5% of the representation. I’m fairly confident this is how it is intended to work in the end game. For example Maori will have full control of the upper house, but will still be able to elect members of parliament (and that will probably still have Maori seats).
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:18am
- CJames
  
  You got the Maths wrong. They only count Maori on the Maori roll as proper Maori. They are the only ones allowed to vote for Maori council members. All those on the general roll (probably National/ Act voters) aren’t allowed into the process.
  
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  December 28, 2022 1:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    Only 1/512th gets you on the the Maori Roll.
    
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    December 28, 2022 1:36pm
- Ruawai
  
  Plus most of the 17% Maori have a good mix of non Maori blood so is even further depleted. Might just be more straightforward and fair to have one vote per person over the age of 17, oh like democracy.
  
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  December 28, 2022 2:33pm
Chris Nisbet

WTH is happening with eggs?
– Did masses of people really go to the government and food suppliers and lobby for them to get rid of cage and colony eggs? Or did the government listen to some fricken human-hater and their incessant bleating?
– Did we really say that we’d prefer to pay 2-3 (or more) times the usual rate for our eggs (when they were available at all)?
– What are egg suppliers going to do? As it stands, it appears that many would rather give up than try and comply with the new regs/requirements (“some farmers who had already switched to colony cages decided to leave the industry, he said”).

Notes to any incoming government that replaces the current shit show:
1) The people want a decent standard of living.
2) You can help give us that by ensuring we have cheap energy.
2a) Wind and solar sources do _not_ result in cheaper energy bills. They have the opposite effect. I can help with the maths if the sums get a bit tricky.
3) You can help by working to get food prices _down_. Promising to cut farmers’ production by 20-30% will not bring prices down. Ruining the egg industry will not help either.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/egg-shortage-leads-to-bare-supermarket-shelves-with-some-rationing-their-stock.html
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December 28, 2022 9:39am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  It was a bunch of Greenie Kids who wanted cage eggs banned.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:50am
  - septic skeptic
    
    And then the woke supermarket duopoly chose to go the extra mile!
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:21am
  - OlderChas
    
    And woke supermarket bosses who virtue-signalled by stating “We will not stock battery hen eggs.”
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:26am
  - slijmbal
    
    Not a green thing – just animal cruelty. Once saw (and smelled) battery chickens. Pretty evil conditions. Colony cages appear marginally better but barely. Barn chickens sound nice but can have 7 hens per metre squared.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:33am
  - kowtow
    
    Ban on battery eggs announced in 2012 .
    
    Key was the PM.
    
    Happy to be corrected.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:43am
    - LauraNorda
      
      Kowtow, you are correct.
      
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      December 28, 2022 1:17pm
  - Taieri
    
    It was a bunch of Greenie Kids who wanted cage eggs banned.
    ———–
    
    Not really just kids…
    
    Marianne Macdonald
    Executive Director
    Marianne has thirty years of experience working as an animal advocate both in the UK and Aotearoa.
    
    She holds a Batchelor’s degree in Life Science, specialising in Ecology, from the University of West London and a Master’s in Marine Biology from Bangor University in north Wales.
    
    Marianne ran her own business for over 20 years in Auckland, as a Neuromuscular Therapist and Mind Coach. She spent four years as a Therapeutic Massage Diploma tutor at Wellpark College and worked for three years as the Executive Officer of industry body Massage New Zealand.
    Mona Oliver
    
    Campaign Director
    Mona has a background in political campaigning. She has worked on four election campaigns for the Green Party in New Zealand and Australia.
    
    She holds a Bachelor’s degree in Political Science and Public Policy, and in 2019 completed a Certificate of Proficiency in Animal Law.
    
    https://animalsaotearoa.org/about-us/meet-the-team/
    
    Being a “mind coach” is undoubtedly a very useful background when it comes to chicken. But not so much as far as spelling is concerned. Not sure what Proficiency in Animal Law is though. Or even if there’s is something called “Animal Law”. But there, you have it.
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Well if there’s one thing that will focus the attention of the average thicko swing voter ………
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:00am
  - pdm
    
    Yep kowtow.
    
    As my late Father in Law used to say – if there is an egg in the house there is a meal in the house.
    
    He probably got it from Aunt Daisy.
    
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    December 28, 2022 10:48am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @pdm-
      There was a very successful advertising campaign years ago with the jingle “when there’s an egg in the house, there’s a
      meal in the house .”
      Similar to another one which proclaimed: “Fish: the family dish”.
      That was when fresh fish was more affordable, of course.
      
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      December 28, 2022 11:23am
- NothingLeft
  
  The ridiculous thing is that free range chickens generally don’t venture outside of their laying cages where they have everything they need, these chickens have been bred to enjoy and thrive in cages over many many generations – and have evolved to be near agoraphobic. If you see the ‘free range’ outside enclosures they are basically chicken free.
  
  But again unthinking far-left impose higher costs on population (hurting poor the most), without understanding or thinking through the issues. They’re callous idiots.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:03am
  - MCōs
    
    Should have raised the matter back in 2012.
    In fact.
    I’m willing believe whichever callous idiots were in charge at the time took all that into account.
    
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    December 28, 2022 4:38pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

China abandons Zero Covid policy.

“China’s about-turn has put Mr Xi in a tough spot. He was the driving force behind zero-Covid, which many blamed for restricting people’s lives excessively and crippling the economy.

But having abandoned it, analysts say he now has to take responsibility for the huge wave of infections and hospital admissions. Many have questioned why the country was not better prepared.”

Sounds familiar.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-64102176
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December 28, 2022 9:42am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Let’s hope Border Control are giving thought to when, whether & how rapidly tourism ex China should be managed.
  
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  December 28, 2022 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  he now has to take responsibility for the huge wave of infections and hospital admissions. Many have questioned why the country was not better prepared.”
  
  Probably a good time for China to restructure its Health Services then.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:06am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Unfortunately they will merely restructure their lying services I expect.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:23am
  - nathie
    
    Bet they don’t have a “Do-Little” type in charge … probably gone by lunchtime firing squad if some “imposter” dared tried!
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:02pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Outbreak of defenestration continues, curiously confined to influential Russian males opposed to Putin. No vaccine yet available.

Sausage tycoon Pavel Antov dies in Indian hotel fall

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64101437
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December 28, 2022 9:51am
- NothingLeft
  
  I imagine single level and even subterranean accommodations are getting popular with the Russian oligarchy.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:46am
  - Mike
    
    Be prepared for a few Putin critics to die from starvation after accidentally locking themselves in their basements.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:40am
- Biscuit
  
  NMTB, times must be tough.
  
  The last Sausage King I remember was the guy who ‘Ferris Buehler’ pretended to be in that Chicago restaurant in his great Day Off movie…
  
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  December 28, 2022 1:05pm
- slijmbal
  
  One of my favourite words defenestration. Kudos for finding a way to use it in real life 🙂
  
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  December 28, 2022 4:13pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Thank you Slijmbal. My old History teacher would be pleased.
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
    
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    December 28, 2022 6:36pm
kowtow

Excellent holiday reading from Lord Jonathon Sumption .

Has an Australian target , but applies across the Anglosphere .

A taster ;’

“Perhaps the most striking manifestation of these changes has been the response of most states to the COVID-19 pandemic. I am not going embark on a discussion of the merits of lockdowns, although I am on record as doubting their effectiveness and objecting strongly to their collateral consequences. I am concerned here with a different question, namely what this episode in our history tells us about current attitudes to the state and to personal liberty. On that larger canvas, lockdowns are only the latest and most spectacular illustration of a wider tendency in our societies.”

https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2022/12/the-relentless-rise-of-the-authoritarian-state/
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December 28, 2022 10:03am
- Mike
  
  Didn’t you link to this the other day?
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dr-bruce-moon-satire-and-the-waitangi-tribunal/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Dr-Bruce-Moon-Satire-And-The-Waitangi-Tribunal.pdf
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December 28, 2022 10:24am
Yvette

Slightly random question –
If covid infections are increasing again, and regardless of your thoughts for or against any covid “measure’, but considering just Ardern’s Government consistency or their implied “science” –

• Why is more information, even daily rates of infection and other data, not more available than weekly?
• When was the last covid ad on tv?
• What is the current definition of “fully vaccinated”?
• What is the current percentage of population “fully vaccinated” under that definition?
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December 28, 2022 10:28am
- pdm
  
  Yvette – mrspdm and I are now not `fully vaccinated’
  
  We had the first three but are not having any more.
  
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  December 28, 2022 10:51am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    We did the same. It is absurd to expect to take a booster every three months. My experience detailed in GD yesterday is that it is far more beneficial to have immediate access to antivirals.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:27am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I would advise against the antivirals. Your call obviously, but the data regarding their efficacy (lack of) is concerning. Why would you trust products from the same people who lied to us re the initial “vaccines” and their supposed efficacy?
      
      The saddest thing out of all of this is the loss of trust in the health services in this country. Another “success” for Ardern’s CV.
      
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      December 28, 2022 12:04pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Mrs Al is spitting tacks that she wasn’t offered the antivirals. She’s still infected and miserable after going down 2 days before me while I tested clear this morning day 5.
        
        Listed side effects were nausea and taste. A bitter taste in mouth was all I experienced.
        
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        December 28, 2022 1:26pm
      - slijmbal
        
        The anti-virals pre-date Covid and do appear to provide some assistance when infected by a virus. Sometimes, they speed recovery. They are a bit hit and miss. Mostly, they’ve been around long enough and have not had an abbreviated testing regime. The fact they know the interactions is a strong indicator of established drugs.
        
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        December 28, 2022 4:20pm
    - MCōs
      
      I found out the other day that antiviral medication can clash with other medication; in my case that which I take to suppress epileptic seizures.
      
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      December 28, 2022 12:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        I don’t take anything until I’ve researched the side effects and interactions
        
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        December 28, 2022 12:29pm
      - Taieri
        
        I don’t take anything until I’ve researched the side effects and interactions
        ———
        
        Does it include a wee dram of whisky?
        
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        December 28, 2022 12:39pm
      - Ghost
        
        Never drunk alcohol.
        
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        December 28, 2022 12:43pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Yes. Apparently there are serious conflicts with other meds incl over the counter ones. My pharmacist ran a check for me.
        
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        December 28, 2022 12:49pm
      - MCōs
        
        All drugs have side effects
        
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        December 28, 2022 1:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        Oh I know, i also know which drugs I can’t take because of the side effects.
        
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        December 28, 2022 1:26pm
      - slijmbal
        
        @Ghost – I do check efficacy but generally avoid knowing side effects as the Nocebo effect is as real as the Placebo effect.
        
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        December 28, 2022 4:22pm
      - Ghost
        
        Knowing one’s health and what you can and can’t tolerate is just as important.
        
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        December 28, 2022 4:37pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ MCos. I take Amitriptyline, not for epilepsy, but helping with Cubital Tunnel.
        Been on it a while. Is it helping? Simple surgery fixes this, just move the Ulnar Nerve.
        
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        December 28, 2022 5:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        Amitriptyline Is good long term, I was on that for about a year. I have one pill, an antihistamine, worked great, once a day, was on it for a few months then it caused a seizure so no longer allowed it.
        
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        December 28, 2022 5:46pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    pdm – so now if you get hospitalised or (God forbid) die from covid you will be listed as “unvaccinated”.
    
    Aren’t statistics wonderful things for liars and fraudsters to help them cover up their shit? Not this time though, too much has been recorded and screenshot. They will drag the chain on this as long as possible but it is coming out and the volume of data exposing the lies is increasing.
    
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    December 28, 2022 11:59am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Same for me pdm. I had the first booster in January of this year, but won’t be having another. I also missed my annual flu vaccine this year, and surprise, surprise, I remained well throughout winter!
    
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    December 28, 2022 12:51pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Exact same on all points here.
      
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      December 28, 2022 8:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I had two, just to comply with the childish passport.
    We are all 5 year olds.
    
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    December 28, 2022 2:28pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Covid infections are being driven by vaccination. This was warned about before the programme began, it’s not conclusive yet, but all evidence is ringing many alarm bells indicating that the more you jab, the more negative the outcome.
  
  there is clearly something very wrong going on with the covid vaccines. if ever they reduced spread or contraction of covid, they now seem to multiply it.
  
  if ever they reduced all cause mortality (not proven at all in their approval studies) they now seem associated with higher society scale mortality rates and these rates appear persistent.
  
  it’s time the health agencies, especially those with really good data like in the UK, sweden, israel, etc, stopped playing “hide the ball” and started releasing all cause mortality data stratified by vaccine status.
  
  if these hypotheses are inaccurate, then let’s put them to bed. i really do not want to see this outcome proven out. it’s objectively awful and the ramifications would be horrific. but given that health officials, especially in the US are still pushing these products aggressively, if this is going on, we need to know. this is not something you want to be in the dark about.
  
  Yet our health “experts” refuse to acknowledge the problems and refuse to permit genuine debate and discussion.
  
  Here’s a link to the article with all of the relevant data.
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/are-covid-vaccines-causing-persistent?r=u4qo&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
  
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  December 28, 2022 11:53am
- ClanMcleod
  
  And this.
  
  “The Worst Possible Thing You Could Do…”
  “Vaccinate somebody to prevent infection and actually make them worse.” Tony Fauci.
  
  https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-worst-possible-thing-you-could?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=579085&post_id=93248115&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email
  
  It seems to be what is happening.
  
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  December 28, 2022 12:10pm
MCōs

An amusing burn
https://twitter.com/mikesington/status/1607757985656508419?s=61&t=_-d_FZa10TAKmR8DW4WCoA
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December 28, 2022 11:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maybe he was looking at it during “totality”…….
  
  https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/safety
  
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  December 28, 2022 12:08pm
  - RichardX
    
    Yes…that sunlight on his face was during totality…//
    
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    December 28, 2022 6:12pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Oh, you don’t get any sunlight during totality……… Lol
      
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      December 28, 2022 8:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I use a welding helmet. One of those automatic ones where you can change the darkness. Simple is best, but not everyone has a welding helmet.
    
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    December 29, 2022 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You know Trump has a sense of humour right?
  He plays the media and they suck it up.
  
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  December 28, 2022 2:53pm
Ghost

I can’t recall growing up ever hearing of kids committing murder, seems to be so common now

All four teens taken into police custody after the alleged home invasion murder of a Brisbane mum were known to police.

Horrified neighbours woke on Tuesday to police and paramedics swarming the “horrific” scene at Whitfield Cres in North Lakes north of Brisbane after Emma Lovell, 41, died from fatal injuries sustained during the alleged altercation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/police-describe-horrific-boxing-day-scene-as-boys-17-are-charged-with-womans-murder/X557JSUKFNAALNBLTNFBKRBOJI/
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December 28, 2022 2:09pm
- Scooter
  
  And a 16yr old girl in South Australia.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/south-australia-killing-girl-16-charged-with-murder-after-boxing-day-stabbing/VVJUJJ3DMRECZHZ4BDA66UOFHU/
  
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  December 29, 2022 12:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://leadpatriot.com/teacher-hits-tiktok-for-tips-on-how-to-get-his-students-to-call-him-maam/20437/
Twitter vid inside.
This is the future of the World??
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December 28, 2022 2:55pm
Ghost

Hmmm, is there really a problem with people placing an acc claim? I’ve never had to fill one out, go to the gp, tell him what happened, 10 minutes later I realise he has done an acc because I get a text from acc approving the claim

The political year often ends in a rush, with tired politicians racing to get their projects done before the summer.

As with last year, here’s 12 pieces of legislation that are on their way to becoming law, but haven’t had much attention with the hustle and bustle of everything else going on.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/a-dozen-quirky-soon-to-be-laws-that-flew-under-the-radar-in-2022.html
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December 28, 2022 3:45pm
Ghost

Sigh

Queensland Police appealing to the public to dob in their neighbours who “are anti-government or believe Covid-19 vaccine conspiracy theories”.

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1607270541542719488
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December 28, 2022 5:22pm
- RichardX
  
  You must know that press conference was in relation to the 2 murdered QPS members.
  
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  December 28, 2022 6:11pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yes it, that changes it then, all I’ve seen is what avi posted.
    
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