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Yvette

“I just make the point that he [Christopher Luxon] is, we hope, an incoming National Party prime minister and the last five of them have been utterly consistent in campaigning from the right and governing from the left. ACT is the circuit breaker to that pattern.” – David Seymour

In October, Seymour said redefining the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi and putting them to a public and binding referendum would be a bottom line in any governing negotiations.

Asked again, he softens his language to say a referendum on co-governance – shared decision making between the Crown and Māori – will be a “top priority”.

“I just think if we can’t get an interpretation of Te Tiriti that is consistent with liberal democracy, then New Zealand is going to have enormous difficulty solving its other problems.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/481100/david-seymour-questions-christopher-luxon-s-loyalty-to-conservatism-ahead-of-election-year

The recent reversal of Roe v Wade in the United States was widely interpreted as an abortion issue and how that applied here, and with respect to those who wished to see it that way, the US Supreme Court decision also emphasised it was an issue about what is not in their Founding document, and that applies here too.

Re-read the Treaty of Waitangi …
So who has a clearer idea of what they have read – Christopher Luxon or David Seymour
And who has the guts to say so

Oh, here comes the morning medication
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December 20, 2022 8:00am
- Nickc2
  
  If the ToW is going to be the document that tears NZ apart and turns its citizens against each other, tear the damned thing up and draw up a document that will unite us as one people.
  This document must replace the loose arrangement of documents that are currently referred to as NZ’s Constitution. Such a document must be dynamic and any amendments to it must be via binding referenda that have been verified as free of political influence and Judiciary double speak.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Treaty has Three (3) Articles.
    How much shit can be extracted from just three (3) Articles?
    Amazing how things can be bent and twisted.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:42am
    - Nickc2
      
      Exactly Steve. It’s like every ‘self-interest’ Maori group has rewritten its own version to serve its own ends.
      I have the original version in English and Maori, and try as I may, I can’t find any references to ‘Partnerships, Aotearoa, and Co-Governance, let alone a Maori Health Authority, Water Ownership, and Maori Justice System (and all the ills that go with that).
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maori Elite get away with it, because we let them.
        
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        December 20, 2022 1:12pm
      - 7kiwi11
        
        Anything about ownership of airwaves?
        
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        December 20, 2022 1:42pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Just as in the US Consitution you wont find reference to abortion or Gay Marriage or a host of other laws and regulations and legal decisions.
        
        The Partnership reference has been grossly misquoted from our courts as being a definition under the treaty.
        
        The fact is that the President of the Court of Appeals opinion
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/principles-of-the-treaty-of-waitangi-nga-matapono-o-te-tiriti/page-2
        Referred to the TReaty as akin to a Partnership.
        
        As a followup, said President in a Harkness Fellow speech at Waikato University says (amongst many other things.)
        //
        Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975, constituting the Waitangi Tribunal, amended in 1985 to extend to legislation and policies at any time since 6 February 1840 which are alleged by any Maori claimant to be “inconsistent with the principles of the Treaty”. The phrase “the principles of the Treaty” was in the original Act. At no stage has the legislature attempted to define it. Of necessity therefore the courts and the Tribunal had to accept the responsibility of giving it life.
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        It was a Wallace Rowling lead Labour party that passed the original Act in 1975.
        
        Expanded by the David Lange lead Labour party in 1985.
        
        So blame the Labour Government in the first instance and the Court of Appeals in the second instance for the shambles that is the racism that exists in NZ today.
        
        So you can not be surprised at the actions of the current Ardern Lead Labour Government
        
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        December 20, 2022 8:14pm
    - pdm
      
      Time we started living and governing in the present.
      
      The past is History which we should acknowledge and respect but not allow to dictate how we live our lives.
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:20am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Just apply some envy/hate driven wackodemic fried thinking, er I mean scholarship, and voila, a whole set of florid new meanings.
      
      Unleash them on the (generally apathetic) public as settled truth, boiled frog style.
      
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      December 20, 2022 2:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    The only true Consitution will be written in Maori and mean what the writers think.
    Forget it – it is a great dream.
    
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    December 20, 2022 1:20pm
    - Nickc2
      
      That doesn’t mean that we have to acknowledge or accept it. If it’s not passed into Law, it doesn’t mean squat.
      
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      December 20, 2022 1:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nobody in NZ has the mental capacity to word a Constitution. If NZ is going to have a new Constitution, it needs to be done by a non-Political group
      Why not use the American Constitution as a starting point? I don’t mean copy it; I mean look at what the Forefathers were meaning. They were some smart people.
      Best to steer clear of any Socialist crap, and Communist crap.
      Oh keep Sir Geoffrey Winston Russell Palmer KCMG AC KC PC well away from this!
      
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      December 20, 2022 5:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wow, look at that, I upticked myself LOL!
        
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        December 20, 2022 5:02pm
  - surfing
    
    You are absolutely correct but Māori would never want equality.
    
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    December 20, 2022 2:57pm
- kowtow
  
  All we need is a Yes / No referendum , binding ,on the treaty .
  
  Gone by lunch time.
  
  $200 mil just been given to two tribes in a perpetual top up sweetheart deal.
  
  If all the monies given to race politics in the past ten years even were added up and put to the public there’d be outrage . Given what good it could have done elsewhere.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:19am
  - Jack5
    
    Kowtow’s …All we need is a Yes / No referendum , binding …
    
    It would have to be followed by ripping the State financial props from under the news media.
    
    Otherwise we would be intimidated by “wall-to-wall” cover of endless street protests, long marches, graffiti, site occupations, street haka, spear and club waving, and wild threats.
    
    The protesters and the Leftist media would feed off each other in a loop of destruction.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:06am
    - pdm
      
      Jack said – `It would have to be followed by ripping the State financial props from under the news media.’
      
      Preceded by I think Jack – not followed by.
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Net Taxpayer of NZ is paying for the Coup.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:43am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    If it’s a yes/no referendun – what exactly is the question?
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:12am
- Loddenthinks
  
  We only need to follow what’s happening in Fiji to understand how deep the divisions will be when the extent to which you can participate in democracy depends on who your ancestors were.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:11am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Do you mean Henry the Eighth?
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:26am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Malaysia is a better example. The “indigenous” Bumiputra at approx 50% of the population have priority preferences for universities & govt jobs.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:46am
    - pdm
      
      A lot bigger than 15/16% as is the case in New Zealand under this government.
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:24am
    - krazykiwi
      
      universities & govt jobs … and bank loans, and business formation (every company must have a Bumi co-owner)
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:04pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Sort of like good ole apartheid – except the “victims” are Indians and Chinese and none of them are “indigenous”. Go figure ….
        
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        December 20, 2022 6:56pm
krazykiwi

Another ’over the target’ article in Brownstone: The Great Overreaction

Illogical fear, driven by a hyperactive media, and by cowardly and controlling government leaders and public health authorities ruled the day. One of the most insidious results of our descent into ignorance about medicine, and our discarding of social contracts and human rights, was the rise of self-righteous intolerance for, and censorship of, anyone who questioned what was happening.
:::
The requirement to show proof of Covid vaccination in order to participate in public life was brutally adopted in places such as New York City, Austria, and New Zealand
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Digital identification for the whole world was a topic at the World Economic Forum Davos conference this year. “Our future is digital. If you’re not part of it, you’re out of it,” said a UN representative to the WEF Conference, as the group discussed “digital inclusion.”

The article is well referenced, and worth reading in full.
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December 20, 2022 8:01am
Scott

Harry and Meghan’s six hour opus has still left me baffled. What is the reason they left the Royal family?
By their own admission the royal family went out of their way to welcome them? Initially anyway the media loved them and especially loved her.

Was it the negative press she started to get? Especially once she started being mean to the servants?

Was it the family were racist to her? Racism is a big theme of the series but so far where is the evidence of the family being racist towards them?

One thing we can be sure of is this – Meghan is not at fault in any way. She is a wonderful person whose very mixed race presence brought enlightenment into the family.

It can’t be that Meghan was jealous of Kate and William? No, the opposite was true according to the Netflix documentary. The family were jealous of Meghan and planted false stories about her to the press. (That the actual press deny this is neither here nor there).

So they had to escape. They had no choice. They had to escape to their 14 bathroom mansion in America and their $80m Netflix deal. It couldn’t be any other way, you see?

Two questions to Kiwiblog readers:
– Do you sympathise with Meghan and Harry?
– Has your opinion of them improved since they’ve finally had a chance to tell their story?
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December 20, 2022 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  My view: Arrogant, entitled, elitist little shits who aren’t smart enough to keep shtum their nastiness.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:57am
- Mike H S
  
  I do not sympathise with H & M. My reason is that they had the opportunity to be working Royals. She, it would appear, (was not brought up in the UK and did not fully understand the work required) did not have the desire to “fit in” and fit the mold. She reminds me very much of Mrs Simpson. Now you take Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, who totally understands the role, has taken to it without the petulance shown by her sister-in-law.
  
  My opinion of them has not changed one iota.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:01am
- Lance
  
  What I do know is the British tabloids are the scum of the earth and are beyond redemption. They are the enemy of truth.
  I would like to know who enables them to spread their bullshit?
  
  Sadly NZ MSM are rapidly deteriorating to the level of their UK cousins.
  
  So what is the truth with Harry and Megan? We certainly can’t know that through the lens of UK tabloids and probably not through H+M’s doco either.
  The fact is the Royal family (and more likely the courtiers) are a meat grinder for those that don’t fit in. If it was just H+M then we could all just pfft it all off as them alone, but it is not. There is a long trail of damaged people in the last 50 years alone.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:07am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    H + M wanted all the trimmings and trappings of royal life – income and titles but every step of the way they have burnt this bridge – section by section.
    Hazza still using his title .. he’s either in or out.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:22am
    - Bridgenag
      
      I like ginger and whinger as their names.
      
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      December 20, 2022 3:11pm
- Gravelroad
  
  re H&M:
  They don’t want to be doing any boring Royal work opening galas and shaking hands with the common folk.
  But they still want all the riches, profile and titles associated with his family’s royal status.
  At least with the reviled Duke of Windsor and his weird Mrs- they slunk away and lived their own lives – generally.
  I find Prince Harry piss weak and the lovely Meghan an atomic powered manipulator – especially around issues of race.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:13am
  - MCōs
    
    “I find Prince Harry piss weak”
    Except he spent a reasonable amount of time with the British Army in Afghanistan and was was was only forced to leave when he was doxxed by a couple of newspapers.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:26am
    - rangitoto
      
      Known over there as bunker Harry.
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:58am
    - rouppe
      
      My recollection (I have no references) is that the normal flight of Apache helicopters was something like 3, and incoming ground fire meant you were at real risk.
      
      They started out by having a bigger flight so that Harry’s Apache could be somewhat shielded. However the Taliban soon clocked onto that and when they saw a bigger flight they threw everything at it, making it actually more dangerous, so at the end of the day they had to curtail his sorties.
      
      Something like that anyway
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:20am
- wilderbeast
  
  Never mind they have enrolled our high priestess to their latest project it is being reported this morning. A smattering of great leaders including Mandela, Thunberg & Ardern will apparently star and focus on “values” and “courage”. I just hope people see it for what it is, if they see it for real leadership we’re truly f*cked
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:24am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Ms Ardern should consider careful risk management around any proposal to align herself with the manipulative Duchess Meghan who will use anyone to promote herself to higher honours.
    Our Princess has her own marketing brand to protect. It would be terrible if she missed out on a top UN job cause Meghan got the nod, eh?
    
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    December 20, 2022 9:58am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Got any proof there is a proposal?
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:21am
      - Harry Knuts
        
        You can’t tell us Cindy would be doing this for free? surely you not that naïve Brian – https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300769663/jacinda-ardern-to-appear-in-meghan-and-harrys-next-netflix-project
        
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        December 20, 2022 10:24am
      - wilderbeast
        
        Not much trust there Brian. Never mind, it’s all over the msm any case….
        
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        December 20, 2022 10:30am
  - Opie
    
    How can ardern be grouped with extraordinary leaders?
    
    Is she the counter evidence to show how not to do things?
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:03am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      2 flaky ladies together with an overly entitled sense of leadership qualities and achievements. Those 2 are a match made in heaven of blowing their own trumpets with little to show for it.
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:26am
- Cassandra
  
  No & no. Awful pair of poseurs. If they wee honest they’d give up the titles. Mr and Mrs Windsor.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:25am
- Rusty
  
  @ Scott.
  
  To answer your two questions.
  
  1. No I have no sympathy for Harry and Meghan. The trash media in the USA are more sympathetic to them than the trash media in the UK.
  
  2. Never will watch the netflex series on them. Harry and Meghan are making a fortune out of nothing more than a family feud.
  
  America is the home of reality trash tv and millions of people like it. It’s obvious Ginger and the Whinger are modelling themselves on the Kadasians.
  
  Remember Meghan Markles profession is acting and she fits that role perfectly.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:28am
  - Sparrow
    
    As an ex Brit I find it truly amazing how much time and print is wasted on this couple and indeed the whole royal family. They are the top of the tree of the whole hideous British class system one of the reasons I came to NZ many years ago to get away from.
    Just ignore the lot. Yes we should become a Republic but no ex politicians I.e.Mallards. Copy the Irish system.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:00am
    - kowtow
      
      Copy the Oirish ?
      
      Why , their current leprachaun President is a former very senior Labour politician .
      
      One of their most infamous Presidents was a terrorist who escaped the firing squad due to being a Yank and later went on to be the Prime Minister who visited the Nazi embassy in Dublin to commiserate with them on the happy demise of Herr Hitler .
      
      Yeah let’s play Marxist language games talking about “hideous class system” and copy a bunch of nutters .
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:01pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Who cares? Seems a little like fiddling while Rome burns.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:14am
  - Matt Long
    
    I can understand Harry Markle wanting his independence and identity, to hitch up with a sociopath and leverage his connections and family, while defaming and abusing them for financial gain doesn’t seem the best way.
    It’ll be interesting how fast she dumps him when she sees a better opportunity and whether the experience makes him a better person.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:23am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I think you’re confusing me with someone who gives a sh*t about women’s magazine tittle-tattle.
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:45am
      - Matt Long
        
        Through the wonders of touch screens my post once again turned up where it shouldn’t.
        
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        December 20, 2022 12:09pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  I didn’t watch it but glad you and KK did. Your reaction is reasonable but I think KK is jealous of another potential Queen – the poor thing.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:24am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    In centuries to come the House of Windsor (aka Saxe-Coburg Gotha) will provide ample scope for comparison with the Merovingians who ruled the Franks in name only for their last few generations.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:52am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      mike, your posts are becoming increasingly scatter brained. The only power that the Monarchy has had for years and years is the Royal Prerogative. Any legislative power the Monarchy has, is with the advice and consent of the House of Commons and House of Lords. So they have ruled no one for 100’s of years.
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:06am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You forgot to google ‘Merovingians’.
        
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        December 20, 2022 12:29pm
    - Sparrow
      
      Congratulations on your knowledge of history, especially obscure parts of it. Lets not kid ourselves that the RF don’t have political influence. It’s exercised through their acolytes instead of directly chopping heads off. Politicians all bend their knees even so called socialists. The House of Lords is still there and the judiciary, military all from the same mould. Never understood why the English never had a revolution like the French. The Civil War and Glorious Revolution made changes but only benefited a different elite. Possibly no revolution due to the marvellous work carried out by Quaker reformers such as Elizabeth Fry., the Cadbury’s. They must be quaking in their graves with the Kraft buy out
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:21pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think you will find that the French have had an ‘elite’ of some form or another since 1789. The respective polities only had to execute one monarch each, after all.
        
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        December 20, 2022 3:09pm
- rangitoto
  
  Q1 – answer no. Q2 – answer no. They are just grifters.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:56am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I watched the series. I’ve concluded that they wanted to be on a different and more lucrative $$ path than what was being offered and controlled by the Firm. Meghan wants full control like a boss and the Firm wasn’t having that. Hazza’s problem is he didn’t like being the spare. Still doesn’t – even wrote a book about it! LOL
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:04am
  - nathie
    
    Surely he has now become his wife’s “spare” as she reclaims the limelight!
    
    Lights, action, camera, Meghan!
    
    (After all, it’s not as if Harry was chomping at the bit to appear on Oprah, or even instigating a Netflix series)!
    
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    December 20, 2022 1:33pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Hazza’s just there for the ride and the show of unity. So long as he’s doing it for the moolah then he will appear.
      Hazza is now the spare, in the marriage. LOL
      
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      December 20, 2022 2:29pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  They’ve been perfectly clear why they stepped down as working Royals (not the same thing as “leaving the family”).
  
  They’ve never said it was anything to do with how they were treated by the family.
  
  They left because of the unrelenting, gleeful savagery of the British tabloid press – who have recently been doing a sterling job of proving Meghan to be absolutely right when she said they seem to be trying to destroy her.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:17am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Except now they have broadcast that they want a royal apology for how they were treated by the family…….
    
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    December 20, 2022 12:05pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Nope. Like practically everything else you think you know about the Sussexes, this is something that has been reported in the British media and attributed to “close friends” or “Palace insiders”.
      
      Having said which, they bloody well do deserve an apology. The Royals were quick to condemn racism in British football, but did and said absolutely nothing to address the racism being hurled at Meghan, including on William’s own instagram. They’ve made no attempt to either deny stories attributed to “Palace insiders” or to find out and summarily dismiss who the “Palace insider” is, who keeps telling the media things that they have absolutely no business making public.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:25pm
- Colville
  
  88 million pounds payment…so $168mil NZ$$
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:27am
- Jim
  
  No
  No
  
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  December 20, 2022 6:03pm
blue collar

Can’t wait to see the extended family and hammer any woke fucks among em .
First one to say “ I. Identify as …… or “ my pronoun is …..
I swear to god I’m gonna humiliate them in front of the whole family and make it clear this disease won’t be tolerated in the blue collar household .
Jacinda fans ? Bring it , I’ve got more ammo on that bitch than Rambo vs gookdom .
Thinking about cutting ya cock off ? Cool man how bout I take ya head off n be done with it .

Ahhhh Christmas….. never a dull moment ….. bring it on wowsers !
Nothing like a good old fashioned family fight 😁
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December 20, 2022 8:07am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Trolling the woke is great. I do try and rationalise with people though, but that is because I would normally speak to people I have a degree of respect for or consider friends …or at least no reason to have animosity.
  So gently try to bring around rather than a poke in the eye for any Labour voters I know out there.
  
  Woke social justice cry bullies I consider far less than any of the above- dangerous idiots and harmful, so mocking alongside uncomfortable challenging them is all good.
  You can’t choose your family, so it there is wokeness there, then enjoy poking the non-binary vegan bear !
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:17am
- Harry Knuts
  
  This reminds of a man in a bar last week. Amping for a fight. No matter how much everyone tried to defuse the situation he was demanding justice to a non-event and a fight to go with. This man had unreasonable rage.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:50am
lastmanstanding

History will determine the Ardern Regime 2017/2023 to be the Government that achieved the least for the citizens and the most for the Elites especially the Native Elites. It will show this regime achieved none of its policies that it campaigned on and only achieved policies it didnt campaign on. It will be judged the most deceitful regime the country has ever seen. Students of history will view it as a case study on failed governance.
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December 20, 2022 8:14am
- Cassandra
  
  Apparently Jim Bolger agrees with you. Finally something to agree on with Bolger!
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  lastmanstanding – well summed up, that will be Ardern’s legacy for life and it is well deserved. Though she will undoubtedly be feted by the other unelected control freaks referenced by Krazykiwi and get herself a comfy position where she can carry on pontificating, smiling and waving to the adoring idiots who still believe she is a great woman. She isn’t, she’s a total failure, a walking disaster and an embarrassment.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:23am
  - herb1
    
    Apparently Ardern will be one of the world leaders , the detestable Sussexes , will be lauding on a Netflix series, this week
    
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    December 20, 2022 8:27am
- Nickc2
  
  You’re being far too kind to them.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:25am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Chris Trotter on the money again
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/12/20/making-all-kinds-of-assumptions/
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:42am
  - Jack5
    
    To reinforce Kiwkidsnz’s pointer, this is a taste of the Trotter article:
    
    An elite coalition of Maori nationalists, backed by sympathetic Pakeha intellectuals located strategically in New Zealand’s judicial, state, academic and media apparatus, has launched an ambitious attempt to “decolonise” the thinking of its Pakeha population, and “indigenise” the cultural, educational, administrative, and economic institutions of “Aotearoa”. This revolutionary constitutional reconfiguration, like the deconstruction of Jim Crow in the American South, is to be carried out with the consent of the white population, if possible; or without it, if necessary.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:45am
    - rouppe
      
      To both of you:
      
      Chris Trotter enabled all of this. For decades he has provided part of the shield to the growing presence and influence of the academics and intellectuals in the universities, in the media, and in politics.
      
      He’s used his intellect and platforms in the media to discredit those who have given the warnings that this presence and influence are dangerous, that they are representative of a dangerous leftism.
      
      I guess better late than never, but Chris Trotter is not a libertarian’s friend.
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:32am
      - nathie
        
        Well said! He wasn’t nicknamed “Trottersky” in the past for no reason!
        
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        December 20, 2022 1:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Opinions can change.
        
        Ronald Reagan was a union leader in his Hollywood days, a Democrat, and a supporter of Roosevelt’s “New Deal”.
        
        He switched parties officially in 1962 and gave a famous quote: “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.”
        
        Communist China now has somewhere near 40 million companies, with more than 60 million shareholders.
        
        I bet I’m far from the only old Rightie here who was an enthusiastic Leftist in youth days. The brain matures.
        
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        December 20, 2022 8:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        I still had, on to a slight left lean, but not in this country, more my admiration for John F. Kennedy, the only politician I have ever been fascinated with.
        
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        December 20, 2022 8:28pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        He was also one of the staunchest supporters of harsh measures against those who dared choose not to be jabbed as per this article.
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/112893/those-who-complain-prime-minister-unnecessarily-and-unethically-stigmatising
        
        He’s been contacted regarding those nasty comments on his Bowalley Road site and given the chance to retract which he didn’t do, instead doubling down stating in his reply to a comment questioning the apparent conflict between his apparent support for free speech and his willingness to punish people for not supporting the Ardern narrative:
        
        Hindsight is a wonderful thing, Kaya.
        
        (there was no “hindsight”, the outcomes were warned about by many genuine experts, though most of these voices were suppressed and vilified)
        
        Knowing now what I didn’t know then, I may well have searched harder for a way of accommodating those who feared and/or opposed on principle the Pfizer vaccine.
        
        Certainly, the events of February/March 2022 in Parliament Grounds gave me real cause to think again about the effects and consequences of the Vaccination Mandates.
        
        It’s good he can recognise that the effects of these interventions were negative, however, they were totally predictable. Again, this isn’t “hindsight.”
        
        Essentially, however, I believe the posting stands the test of time. The nation was (and still is) in the grip of a pandemic. Its government did its best, with the knowledge it had, and the advice it received, to keep the New Zealand people safe.
        
        Effectively then Chris is saying that he would happily punish people for not permitting experimental medical procedures be carried out on them if he thought it was for the “greater good”! There are other examples of this throughout history, they were equally indefensible.
        
        The counterfactual – Kaya’s Way – would, almost certainly, have produced something much, much worse.
        
        This is not true, at best it is conjecture, but all evidence now appearing is showing that the normal responses as per the prior “pandemic preparedness plan” would have resulted in no extra deaths and without a doubt, less economic devastation and would not have fractured society the way it did.
        
        After all, the Vaccination Mandates have gone – and dozens of New Zealanders are dying every week.
        
        No, the mandates haven’t gone in all settings, and in fact, some employers are still doing Ardern’s dirty work for her by still demanding vaccination in certain roles. Yes NZers are dying every week, in ever increasing numbers and it isn’t covid that is causing it.
        
        https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/10/putting-on-armour-of-covid-righteousness.html
        
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        December 21, 2022 7:37pm
- Yvette
  
  Lastmanstanding
  Are those issues the Ardern Labour Government has actually delivered on those that the Maori Caucus can wring from Jacinda by threatening to split from Labour if she does not comply?
  Or is that all mis-information and a diss-informative conspiracy theory contributarying to the River of Filth?
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  Problem is who writes the “history” books .
  
  But of course you’re right about her regime ; a brand built on child poverty and climate catastrophe .
  
  How’s that goin’ . Thus the rebrand to trade ambassador .
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:23am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t panic Ardern’s “History” of this era will be rewritten for Schools, same as Maori “History”.
  
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  December 20, 2022 1:29pm
- Ian Boag
  
  this regime achieved none of its policies that it campaigned on
  
  Correct me if I have this wrong but could we say the same about the previuos Nat govt? Some examples would be good ….
  
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  December 20, 2022 7:07pm
Maggie Pie

I have no words 🙁 🙁 🙁

https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/ohio-woman-accused-of-trying-to-steal-a-christmas-tree-by-hiding-it-in-her-vagina/
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December 20, 2022 8:17am
- pdm
  
  maggy – that would more than tickle her fancy.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:20am
- G152
  
  Was she branching out ?
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:22am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  No one can stop the stupid people Maggie. That is hilarious. Goes close to one I read years ago where a woman in Columbia used a potato as birth control. And claims she forgot about it when a Doctor found that her abdominal pains were caused by the potato producing roots. Yeech.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:28am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, at least she showed some initiative and didn’t suggest hiding it up her male partner’s orifice…
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:32am
- Nickc2
  
  You wouldn’t want to be the Security Guard who had to pat her down for suspected Shop-Lifting eh?
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Probably the giveaway was when the lights came on 😀
    
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    December 20, 2022 8:43am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I liked the line;
      “it was an ill conceived shoplifting plan”
      With my lateral thinking it reminded me of a sign in a sex shop window years ago in Britain;
      “We sell every conceivable type of contraceptive.”
      
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      December 20, 2022 8:57am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Everything’s a dildo if you’re game enuff 😛
        
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        December 20, 2022 9:26am
      - Jack5
        
        This headline in the satire Maggie Pie linked to sparks was satire:
        
        “Women prostitutes being replaced by sex, sheep, and camels in Kabul brothels after Taliban takeover.”
        
        But something factual: a report telling of the depths of depravity and cruelty — Indonesian brothels keeping orangutans as prostitutes.
        
        https://theindependent.sg/sex-slave-orangutans-of-indonesia-may-be-the-epitome-of-human-cruelty/
        
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        December 20, 2022 11:03am
      - Ghost
        
        Kabul, don’t they mean Australia?
        
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        December 20, 2022 11:08am
      - Jack5
        
        In Australia, “sheep shaggers” are New Zealanders.
        
        Ghost’s camel reference will be to the “cameleers”. These were Afghans, and Pashtun and Balochi from what is now Pakistan, brought to Australia from the 1860s to the 1930s to drive camels in the outback.
        
        Many married White Australian and Aboriginal women. Perhaps Islam has something parallel to the old Puritan warning: It’s better to marry than to burn.
        
        Though apparently that may have been a slight mistranslation in the King James Bible:
        
        https://www.gotquestions.org/better-to-marry-than-to-burn.html
        
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        December 20, 2022 11:26am
    - kowtow
      
      I wonder how they twigged to it.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:03pm
- Its only I
  
  Couple of thoughts….unfortunately.
  
  Perhaps she thought they wouldn’t see the tree for the forest?
  
  Imagine people arriving at the family gathering…What’s she doing up there?
  OH, that’s our little angel isn’t she wonderful…..
  Oh my, no, for the love of god don’t turn the tree lights on.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:45am
- Yvette
  
  Maggie, really? I thought it was like the Stardust Fairy who asked the overwhelmed and out-of-control Father Christmas where she should put the Christmas Tree – a sort of hot-mic moment
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:52am
- Ghost
  
  They’re better at satire than Babylon bee
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:35am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Seems like a reputable, err, organ. Other headlines from the same post, so people can decide for themselves:
  
  TRANS-SPECIES MAN WHO IDENTIFIES AS A SQUIRREL ARRESTED FOR TWO 20-TON PEANUT TRUCK HEISTS
  
  ELDERLY COUPLE ACCIDENTALLY BURNS HOUSE DOWN DURING SEX GAME INVOLVING WW2 FLAMETHROWER
  
  TEXAS MAN ADMITS KIDNAPPING 79 PEOPLE TO ANALLY PROBE THEM WHILE DISGUISED AS AN ALIEN
  
  and my personal favourite…
  
  FLORIDA FISHERMAN LOST AT SEA FOR 14 DAYS CLAIMS HE WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY MERMAIDS
  
  This almost sounds like a media outlet Andrea Vance would work for.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:20am
  - Raphael
    
    Well it is a satire site.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:26am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lodden, there used to be an outfit in the UK that was called, I think, The Daily Sport. They used to have hilarious headlines like “Woman Has Fish for Baby” and “Aliens Turned My Son Into a Fish Finger”. I also recall that they flew a woman, who supposedly had the biggest breasts in the world, from America to UK. She turned up in some skimpy outfit and the Daily Sport reporters turned up at the airport with a mini-tramp!!
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:18am
    - zulumonster
      
      IVV – it was The Sunday Sport I think – published on Sundays, Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays I believe.
      My favourite headlines were in consecutive editions
      1/ B22 Bomber found on the moon (with pictures)
      2/ B52 bomber goes missing from the moon (with pictures)
      3/ B52 bomber piloted by Elvis seen flying over London (with pictures)
      
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      December 20, 2022 2:12pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Yes I was in London at the time, and everyone knew it was a piss-take. A double-decker bus was found on the moon, if I recall, with photos!
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not right in the Head.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:59am
- rjay
  
  Lol. Daily Report. Tagline “where facts don’t matter”.
  
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  December 20, 2022 1:59pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Ha – Jacinda’s government’s motto. 🙂
    
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    December 20, 2022 4:54pm
stewmar

and only achieved policies it didnt campaign on

I don’t think it achieved policies it didn’t campaign on either
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December 20, 2022 8:17am
otago-man

In Arrowtown last night pub shut due to lack of staff as were some restaurants, most have staff wanted signs in their windows
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December 20, 2022 8:21am
- Inandout
  
  o-m, has been like this for a long time.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It is the same everywhere, there are a tsunami of covid cases. It’s summer. 95% of those in hospital are fully vaccinated. Way above the actual numbers who truly are fully vaccinated.
  The vaccines have damaged the innate immune system of everyone who took them. For the majority it will not be hugely noticeable, but they will find they are more prone to colds and sniffles and other minor ailments. They will get “sick” more often than previously.
  For others, the outcomes will be much more serious. Cancers are increasing, heart conditions are increasing, excess mortality is running 15% above normal. Nothing to see here, all perfectly normal. Not.
  
  Everything the “conspiracy theorists” warned about has come true or is coming true.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:57am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, it is the constant boosting that is the danger as our natural resistance is weakened. When the booths in malls were frightening people into getting their X booster I really felt like screaming at the poor bastards waiting, ‘don’t be idiots’. Sad many were close to the grave anyway.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I got seven downticks, that doesn’t bother me in the slightest, but it’s revealing that nobody comes in to say what they don’t like about my comment or which part was wrong. I’m guessing it’s people who now realise what is happening and that’s what pisses them off.
      I don’t post anything to annoy people, I post what I believe is the truth. Some people can’t handle the truth sadly.
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It is just a habit that trolls can’t stop doing.
        I see is as a badge of Honour, you have pissed off a troll!
        
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        December 20, 2022 11:03am
      - General
        
        They are trying to rationalize their poor decision and in denial about all the damage the rushed experimental gene therapy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qowDwaYx7vI0) has and continues to cause. Being covered up and deflected by the same people who pushed it
        
        https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1604186152214282241
        
        Look up searches for myocarditis in NZ or elsewhere on google trends. Flat and a huge spike shortly AFTER each vaccine roll out not BEFORE and this is with a weakening variant. Medical authorities and Media LIED and asserted this had no connection to the ‘vaccine’ (Definition changed now, how convenient)
        
        https://www.theyliedpeopledied.com/uploads/4/0/0/6/4006805/1761661141854-pic-hd_orig.jpg
        
        CDC data
        
        Stay in denial if you want to, you all took gene therapy with NO KNOWN LONG TERM EFFECTS POSSIBLE TO KNOW. So many claims absolutely trashed by all the ‘leadership’ now it’s be quiet and move on?
        
        Largest case of medical fraud ever. If you don’t understand that yet, you are a fool.
        
        https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
        
        From conspiracy theory website CNBC
        
        List of largest pharmaceutical settlements
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements
        
        2nd on this list and had a global partnership with #1 GlaxoSmithKline
        
        2. Pfizer, $2.3 billion
        
        Drugs: Bextra, Geodon, Zyvox, Lyrica
        
        The criminal fine was $1.3 billion, and the additional $1 billion was for civil allegations under the False Claims Act. Pfizer falsely promoted Bextra, antipsychotic drug Geodon, antibiotic Zyvox, and antiepileptic Lyrica. The company was also accused of paying kickbacks related to these drugs and submitting false claims to government health care programs based on uses that weren’t medically accepted.
        
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        December 20, 2022 2:40pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Drawing a long bow there.
    The hospitality industry in particular is affected by the closed borders for so long, and the difficulty in getting working visas processed.
    The problem in NZ around shortage of staff is well known, in almost all industries. Horticulture, truck drivers, cafe and kitchen staff, etc etc.
    This is why the signs mentioned above are asking for staff/positions available, and not a note about closing temporarily due to staff sickness.
    Sickness is only an issue, maybe, in the sense is that businesses dont have resilience around adequate staff to begin with.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:40am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Source please, for “95% of those in hospital are fully vaccinated”; thanks
    
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    December 20, 2022 12:12pm
    - westernScientist
      
      No source, I cant be bothered looking for one, but given upward of 90% of the population are fully vaccinated, and hospitalisations skew heavily to old and sick people who had a much higher uptake (95%+ https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#uptake), it is about what one would expect if a random sample of hospitalisations were taken. It is what would be expected if the vaccine did nothing (good or bad) at the current point in time.
      
      Anyone who doesn’t believe me, it is pretty simple statistics. Dust of that old stats text book and look up hypothesis testing.
      
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      December 20, 2022 1:40pm
      - General
        
        Yawn
        
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        December 20, 2022 2:47pm
  - General
    
    8 down ticks? LOL
    
    Truth is hard to swallow. If you took it you trusted failures in leadership and failed yourself. DEAL WITH IT.
    
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    December 20, 2022 1:56pm
  - surfing
    
    Usual nonsense and lack of evidence from you. Was it you who posted a while back that the vaccine causes dna to disintegrate?
    
    No doubt you have a trustworthy substack or dodgyscience.com source to back you up.
    
    One thing is for sure though, you have no reputable sources.
    
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    December 20, 2022 3:38pm
  - quarterpack
    
    The only question was it the commies or the gays behind all this? Or both? You and your ilk have wrecked what once was a sensible forum by spouting such nonsense. Go back to your basement until you have something sensible to post….please!!
    
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    December 20, 2022 5:14pm
Jimbo666

She will be the fairy on top of the tree!
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December 20, 2022 8:23am
Harry Knuts

This one reminds of when my father caught me smoking at about the age of 10 – nicking his ciggies I was and had to write 500 lines ” i will not smoke”, I still puff to this day albeit part-timer – https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130808435/teenager-behind-weeklong-crime-spree-says-he-is-sorry
Writing letters of apology will not register to this kid, he’s just going through the motions. Incarcerating him will not “fix” this kids’ behaviour problems.
My suggestion is they try the old method of getting this kid to pay off the damage he’s caused by working in every single business he’s harmed. I would also bet he has limited education, dropped out young with no qualifications that will get him a job even when he is of age. He’s best to get this now via restorative justice program that has him working in these places to pay off the debt he’s incurred. This will set him up better for the future in so many ways.
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December 20, 2022 8:25am
- nathie
  
  He’s just sorry he got caught (he wasn’t sorry over the many months he was offending. He wasn’t sorry when he was assaulting other defenseless young people ).
  
  Stuff him, he’s a liar. Throw the book at him and NO sentencing discounts.
  
  (As if … soft judge and soft judicial system will take pity on him). 🙁
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:52am
  - Matt Long
    
    Of course he shouldn’t be punished, it society’s fault. Especially the members of society that create, transport and distribute stuff.
    If we were all wonderful like Cindy this kind of thing wouldn’t happen.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:57am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Words are wind.
  As you say, he should work off his debt to the damaged businesses.
  A few years of labour should do it.
  
  I actually wonder about the costs around insurance here, and insurance companies should also be speaking out around ‘catch and release’ as it must be multiple hundreds of millions on shop frontages and motor vehicles and stock (including jewellery smash and grabs) under the current epidemic.
  They should offer to subsidise the building of prisons and the staffing of boot camps, etc.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:48am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    The insurance will be skyrocketing for the businesses hit already and for the businesses in the risk territory that could easily be targeted. The problem with increased insurance is either the consumer wears it on the bought goods or the business shuts up shop. No one wins.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:54am
- rouppe
  
  He cut off an electronic monitoring bracelet to do it.
  
  It was therefore deliberate, and premeditated.
  
  He’s not sorry, he’s just ticking a sentencing box
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:37am
Biscuit

Okay, been busy the last month with the FIFA World Cup (Spoiler alert: England didn’t win. Again.) and haven’t had much opportunity to take in local news.
I am picking that, by now, after 5 years of remedying nine years of disgraceful National neglect, our wonderful New Zealand Government has in its usual competent manner ‘dealt’ to child poverty, crime, inflation, the cost of living crisis, the shortage of houses, the lack of skilled labour, the failings of the health system, and plummeting standards in education … and has taken steps towards ditching the policies that clearly the population at large don’t much like – co-governance, three waters, the income insurance scheme and the TVNZ/RNZ merger amongst them.
Can someone please link me to stories about the success(es).
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December 20, 2022 8:27am
- Zoro
  
  You’ll be waiting a long time..
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:30am
- mandk
  
  Well, first of all, there was ….
  
  err, sorry, can’t think of any successes.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:32am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Biscuit – the only thing you left out was that the messiah Jacinda, eradicated covid, unified the whole country and billions have been invested in their latest policy, “unicorns and fairy dust for all.” I’ll send the links later.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:33am
- pdm
  
  Yep Biscuit the current Government has definitely got crime working to maximum capacity in a number of towns and cities.
  
  Their objective is to have crime shared evenly among all towns and cities in New Zealand before the next election.
  
  The other matters you mention are too difficult for them though.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:40am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, good socialism is the mutual sharing of misery – or words to that effect.
    
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    December 20, 2022 12:30pm
- oldfella
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/481016/dozens-of-groups-urge-govt-to-pick-up-pace-on-co-governance
  Biscuit: according to the last para in that RNZ story,
  Cabinet was due to make a decision yesterday on whether to pause its co-governance work. Anyone heard/seen anything?
  The story includes Wiley Willie’s great quote:
  “We still haven’t consulted with New Zealand. We’ve consulted with some Māori but other people haven’t had an opportunity; Pākehā people, ethnic people. That’s a lot of work to do,” Jackson said.
  Yip, yip, only a few important Maori consulted. Bugger the non-elite Maori population, and the same goes for the rest of us. And even if they do pause co-governance, they’ve already pushed through 3+Waters which is built on the very concept of co-governance.
  Duplicitous bastards!
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How about making co-governance a binding referendum with the Election.
    Do you want co-governance? Yes/No.
    Or is that just too simple?
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:15am
- oldfella
  
  Biscuit, re England’s failure in this WC, I put it down to them hiring the same penalty-taking coach that advised France before the final. 😉
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I heard that a few of the English players suffered serious ligament damage from taking the knee too many times.
    
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    December 20, 2022 9:25am
    - Opie
      
      The only thing better than watching England lose on penalties is watching France lose on penalties.
      
      A worthy final, one of the better matches of the modern era.
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:12am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Indeed, one that lived up to the billing of Messi re Mbappe. Who scores a hattrick in a World Cup final and loses???!!!! The only previous was Geoff Hurst when England won it in 66.
        
        It was wonderful.
        
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        December 20, 2022 10:50am
- a3kidlady
  
  The answers are a complex but be assured that our glorious government are working through the complexities via their complex plethora of working groups.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:20am
cas

Now I’ve heard it all. Harry and Meghan have a new podcast about inspiring leaders like nelson Mandela, Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Greta Thunberg and guess who else is in it. Our inspiring leader Jacinda Ardern!!! It’s about people who made brave choices, to fight for change, to live and to lead.

How inspiring, or is that enough inspiring? Just when Jacinda’s popularity was tanking.

A quote from the Daily mail article

Meghan and Jacinda Arden have a budding friendship, sparked during the New Zealand Royal tour in 2018.

It is claimed the pair are in regular e-mail contact and have a ‘strong bond’.

Meghan was pregnant at the time of the tour and Arden later spoken of how she had been impressed by the Duchess’s stamina.

She said that year: “Pregnancy is an often tiring time, but the way she gave everything her all was incredible

“She’s an amazing woman and I’m so glad to have gotten to know her.”

Book Finding Freedom claimed Ardern sent a floral arrangement to Markle after the birth of her son Archie.

Pass the sick bag.
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December 20, 2022 8:29am
- Ghost
  
  Jacinda is inspiring, she’s inspiring a country to turn against her.
  
  How many prime ministers have we had that have gone on American tv to talk about how she has tackled gun crime, only to have it explode with gang shootings since then, inspiring.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She went to that Steve Colbert prick.(pronounced col ber)
    Why did she not arrange something with Tucker Carlson?
    Scared of being forced to tell the ‘truth?’
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:19am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Jacinda is about inspiring as a fart. She has only been successful in destroy NZ. the sooner she’s gone the sooner we can restore this great country.
  I used to be very patriotic – not so much now. Australia’s sunshine coast is looking so much better.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Make New Zealand Great Again”
    Think I will get a hat with that on it.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      On the back of the hat “FJA”
      
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      December 20, 2022 5:08pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Yes – Markle and Ardern were the first women in the world to be pregnant/have a baby while having a job! Amazing!! // (sarc)
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:10am
- kevn
  
  @cas… ‘Birds of a feather’ etc
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:11am
- Nickc2
  
  Something Harry’s Daddy (whoever that is) forgot to tell him; “Harry son, you’re supposed to bonk Actresses, not marry em.”
  Such words would have saved the Royals from all this embarrassment eh?
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The opinion of an actress means jack.
    Get back to Hollywood, woman.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:24am
  - leoj
    
    Jimmy Carr has suggested that Harry be the subject of the ancestry program “Who Do You Think You Are?”
    
    Starting with his father……….
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:30am
    - Nickc2
      
      I’d pay to see that!
      
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      December 20, 2022 1:06pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Now that would be a great episode! Hazza Hewitt??
      
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      December 20, 2022 1:37pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘Book Finding Freedom claimed Ardern sent a floral arrangement to Markle after the birth of her son Archie’
  
  Paid for by you & me, no doubt.
  
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  December 20, 2022 5:43pm
Tricati

Next time Ardern say’s her government is not soft on crime, maybe she will be asked to explain why Ministry of Justice was looking at automatically releasing first time prisoners from prison, or how a gang member who shot a bloke in the hands gets a reduction in sentence.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/ministry-of-justice-looked-into-automatically-releasing-first-time-prisoners-but-kiri-allan-rules-out-idea.html
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/dope-money-sex-gang-member-to-be-released-from-prison-early-after-kidnapping-shooting-a-man/IUHZZJIFTVEGJP52Y2SBGI444U/
The soft on crime approach is one of the governments Achilles Heels, and needs to hammered by National/ACT as the daily events will magnify the view the government is soft on crime.
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December 20, 2022 8:38am
- Ghost
  
  I do like this comment from Kiri
  
  “I’m ruling out the titles of those papers,” Allan said.
  
  Sweet, but not ruling out the policy within that
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:01am
  - Opie
    
    I saw that too but I’m guessing it will have tricked most of the sheep
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:19am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Makes you wonder how Labour’s relationship is with the NZ Police force at the moment. Labour’s policy of releasing crims back into society with little to no rehabilitation or even seeing out their sentence in full and the Police playing ambulance at the bottom of the cliff in clean up mode every time.
  For a Kind Govt they sure know how to stick it into the victims of these crims also.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:13am
krazykiwi

No, this is not a joke. This is the NYT Crossword for 18th December.

NY is 18% Jewish. Can you see it?
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December 20, 2022 8:40am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Intentional, I doubt but yes the eye plays no tricks.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:47am
  - krazykiwi
    
    There’s no question it is intentional. Look at the absolute symmetry.
    
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    December 20, 2022 9:00am
    - Melbury
      
      To be fair, crosswords are always symmetrical.
      
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      December 20, 2022 9:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They are symmetrical, but I don’t know why.
        
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        December 20, 2022 11:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s nuts.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My daughter just walked into the room and said, “why are you looking at that Nazi stuff?”
  It was instant for her.
  
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  December 20, 2022 5:36pm
RockyJ

It is clear that the Ardern government has an active dislike of its own citizens. We are all aware of the policy of lowering the prison population and government inertia in the face of rising retail crime. The undermining of our rural sector is another example and I could go on.

Here is an example that brought this contempt for us home to me when I was in Rarotonga last year. This is where I discovered that the New Zealand government donated enough Covid vaccines to vaccinate the entire population of the Cook Islands before any vaccines were made available in New Zealand.

I went fishing with a couple of locals. They were laughing at us, saying the New Zealand government cares more about Cook Islanders than it does about its own resident citizens.
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December 20, 2022 8:45am
- krazykiwi
  
  I doubt Ardern government gives a shit about Cook Islanders themselves, but rather she cares about appearing to care.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour has this warped idea that being kind to bad bastards will get them votes.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:33am
ClanMcleod

Eugyppius on point again today, identifying the mainstream media as one of the primary weapons used to drive the insanity of the last few years.

The New York Times, after deciding that lockdowns are authoritarian and bad when China does them, is now mildly terrified as Xi Jinping reopens and infections rise

I said a number of times at the height of the madness that the mainstream media were the primary weapon being used against the population.
The policies came from the politicians, but the mainstream media shills willingly amplified this, and it is their actions that enabled this insanity to occur. All for their 30 pieces of silver.

Until we Decovidify the newsrooms, there will never be sane reporting on SARS-2 in any major press outlet, ever.

I used to be ambivalent towards media, but after many emails and utterly moronic replies, I came to despise these bottom dwellers. They have no conscience. No moral fibre. No backbone. They willing repeated dangerous lies that they undoubtedly knew were destroying lives- physically, financially and mentally. They are beyond contempt.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-new-york-times-after-deciding

The article is specific to the New York Times, but it applies to pretty much every mainstream media outlet in the world. As always, worth reading in full.
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December 20, 2022 8:47am
Creature from the river of filth

The biggest story out of 2022 was the covert censorship from the state on our freedom of expression.
We found out that even in NZ, there were “portals” available to our government and their agencies to remove legal opinions from Facebook (and likely twitter, but we will wait for the evidence from the Twitter files).
The FBI and DHS on behalf of the DNC “shadowbanned” people and even had them removed entirely from Twitter and facebook. When people complained of shadowbanning, they were called paranoid conspiracy theorists.
Now that Musk has taken over, these accounts are gaining millions of followers a month.
GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN FREE SPEECH. WE HAVE EVIDENCE. WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
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December 20, 2022 8:48am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Don’t worry, the outrage is out there but very few means to express it.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Free speech my left tit. Jaspinda is evil.
  From her UN Speech, 1.26 in. The whole World heard this.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CamSGA9hWSs
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:39am
Yvette

Have there been enough arrests yet, and information available from those, for ram-raids, retail and so-called youth crime to determine any profile or general cause, like – covid. rising price of living, boredom, prison releases, social media, cigarette laws, fog canon subsidy, 501s influence, or colonisation?
So as to know where this Arden Labour Government is not delivering again.

See? – the morning medication didn’t really help yet
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December 20, 2022 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gizzy Court has sent 2 dopey dairy thieves off to a jaunt in lock-up land.
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20221219/dairy-robbers-jailed/
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:24am
Ron Jeremy

Covinda and Markle are great mates makes sense both a pair of idiots that fail to deliver . Well done to Harry if the Liz Hurley story is true though , punching well above his weight there.
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December 20, 2022 9:06am
- Harry Knuts
  
  “if the Liz Hurley story is true though ”
  Haven’t heard of this one – more info please….
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:37am
  - Ron Jeremy
    
    She may have been the one that popped his cherry.
    
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    December 20, 2022 1:39pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Why does that not surprise me…
      
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      December 20, 2022 2:32pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Wot, he stirred Shane Warne’s porridge?
    
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    December 20, 2022 1:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Need a last minute pressie for the alcoholic in your family?

I can thoroughly recommend “Grand”

Noelle McCarthy’s memoir of life with her Ma.

It’s just been listed as NZ’s book of the year.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/best-non-fiction-noelle

(I did not like listening to Noelle McCarthy when she infested RNZ, but she’s a brilliant writer)
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December 20, 2022 9:19am
- Jack5
  
  Noelle, with her charming Irish lilt, has the gift of the gab alright:
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/noelle-mccarthy-apologises-for-plagiarism-2008112708
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Gift of the grab , other people’s stuff.
    
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    December 20, 2022 2:18pm
Captain Mainwaring

Stuff: “Driver alludes police over three districts”.
Clearly this ‘journo’ is the product of our failed education system.
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December 20, 2022 9:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps the “journo” is homophonic.
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:03am
- pdm
  
  Capt – not to mention the Editor and the Proof Readers as well as the Computer spellchecker.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:37am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Stuff doesn’t believe in spell or grammar checking. Why waste valuable click bait time on such trivial matters. //
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:43am
Jack5

This week’s phone scam: “This is Amazon, we’re calling a question about an X dollars entry in your Amazon account …”

The scum work their way through the white pages. Say one in ten people buys on Amazon, and most do this infrequently. Of the one in ten another one in ten suspect this could be a genuine call. Of that one in ten one in ten give their Amazon account details to the caller.

For one thousand calls the scammer gets a victim.

Can the shrinking number of line phones survive the sea of scammers: this is your bank; this is Spark/One/Skinny; this is Amazon?
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December 20, 2022 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I get a lot of emails from xtra as the sender. They tell me they know my password and have planted a trojan in my computer. Apparently I spend a lot of time on Pornhub and they have proof! Sent money to this Bitcoin account. Just blacklist them.
  Need to be careful. Somehow one of these emails was sent by me, and I blacklisted myself! No emails. Took a while to figure it out. Sent an email to myself and it was stopped. Bastards.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:52am
ClanMcleod

I missed this Babylon Bee satirical video in October, just saw it today on UK Column.
If your sense of humour gland wasn’t removed by Ardern and co over the last few years, take a couple of minutes out and watch this, a hilarious piss take of the current “woke” agenda.

https://youtu.be/Ib_7Wsix3nY
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December 20, 2022 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Weird, but it is the Bee.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:57am
103PapPap

Has anyone thought of what might have happened if it was David Seymour who mouthed the “What an arrogant prick” statement about the PM?
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December 20, 2022 10:16am
- Jack5
  
  That would have to entail an allegation of transgenderism, and the PM is a straight Mum.
  
  Could a politician be sued for libel for implying or asserting a gender-straight, female politician was trans-gender?
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:28am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Perhaps you should consult your solicitor, or pop into a community law centre and ask.
    
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    December 20, 2022 10:39am
    - Jack5
      
      Morning Milky – you’re late up, today.
      It’s a treat to find something you have no opinion on.
      
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      December 20, 2022 10:47am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m always keen to encourage people with stupid questions to bother a lawyer.
        
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        December 20, 2022 10:57am
      - Yabster
        
        you have a lawyer on retainer milky….?
        
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        December 20, 2022 1:21pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I have. It would have been the lead story for months. The media would demand that Seymour resign from Parliament. Luxon would be asked to rule out making Seymour a Minister in a National/ACT government.
  
  I am serious.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:09am
  - Ghost
    
    Don’t forget the protests. The parade of forever offended people on TV, an attack against working woman. Woman in greens and
    Labour staging a walk out of parliament in protest.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:17am
    - leoj
      
      … a walking out of parliament in protest?
      
      Let the whole lot walk out. They’re all bloody useless.
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:37am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Imagine if Seymour mouthed “what an arrogant c***”. The outrage would be monumental and hit global headlines “Seymour is a misogynist and vile” and the like.
  Both words in the same territory of ultimate insult level. Neither worries that much but it’s the double standards that I question.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Off stage, she is a huge handful.
  First, he would get “the LOOK”
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:59am
Scooter

Looking at the photos in the Stuff article I think we can safely say we are not in Guatemala Dr Ropata but even worse welcome to Auckland.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300769653/man-apprehended-after-armed-police-surround-house-on-aucklands-north-shore
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December 20, 2022 10:19am
- Harry Knuts
  
  They do say that domestic violence skyrockets in NZ around the Xmas/NY’s time.
  You could then say we are on target to meet our stats. //
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    A couple of years back the Government established “Te Aorerekura”. Of course you have heard of it. This is a “National Strategy and Action Plan setting out a new collective path for government, tangata whenua, specialist sectors, and communities to eliminate family violence and sexual violence.”
    
    https://library.nzfvc.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=7393
    
    “Eliminate” family violence. A bit like zero road deaths.
    
    It has had significant funding allocations. Marama Davidson is in charge.
    
    https://nzfvc.org.nz/news/budget-2022-funding-family-violence-and-sexual-violence
    
    Hundreds of millions. And I was only kidding about readers here being aware of Te Aorerekura. Of course you were not. Yet it has sucked up hundreds of millions of dollars.
    
    The question is – has it reduced domestic violence, or it is still going up, like road deaths?
    
    Honestly, a New Zealand journalist could write a story about Government failures every day for a year without ever running out of material.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:07am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      You are right – never heard of this govt organisation.
      “The question is – has it reduced domestic violence, or it is still going up, like road deaths?”
      Hard to measure as it’s only as good as people reporting this and also the police recording it and following up on it and not as obvious as a car having an accident.
      Someone I know got assaulted in the weekend. Totally random act. Unprovoked and person unknown that did it – total random.
      Victim rang police – police said they weren’t gonna do anything. Victim in hospital getting all the tests done as it was a head injury.
      Makes you wonder if Police are purposely avoiding these, so they don’t appear on the stat’s records. One has to ask the question. Something doesn’t add up.
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:55am
    - Nickc2
      
      Don’t forget, it’s our money, not theirs. If they didn’t take it from us, they wouldn’t have any.
      I’d love to see the accounts for all the spending that Marama Davidson was responsible for signing off. I wonder if she was trying to outdo Nanaia Mahuta and set up her own firm (Marama Corp) in competition.
      No doubt, the Auditor General’s gone over all these accounts with a fine toothcomb. I’d like to see the report. Oh shit, the report’s been filed under Cindy’s carpet.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:58pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not having heard of it is a good thing; suggests that you & I are not the target audience.
      
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      December 20, 2022 6:03pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Are you suggesting Kiwis should move to Guatemala to feel safer?
  
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  December 20, 2022 10:40am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    You obviously don’t live in Auckland. Otherwise you would have a different attitude.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:00am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Mate, I’ve been to Auckland. Leave while you still can.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:31pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Kiwi’s mike? Yes, but they would need to be screened for political affiliation. If I could suggest that we send as many Green Party and Labour Party supporters as possible. The collective IQ of New Zealand would go up, and the country would become a safer place.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dr-john-robinson-escape-the-guilt-trap-who-really-broke-the-treaty-and-who-is-continuing-to-break-the-treaty/
The Guilt trip is known as ‘gaslighting.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/John-Robinson-ideology-and-breaking-the-treaty.pdf
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December 20, 2022 10:22am
Swifty

Re Jeremy Clarkson’s recent comments.

Tessa Dunlop has a meltdown on GB News.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PsEt30IAaSY
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December 20, 2022 10:50am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I had to laugh when she said it’s illegal to stir up hatred against “protected groups, race and sex” after calling Fox a “thin skinned, slightly ageing white man” the irony is both hilarious and insightful.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:47am
- Opie
  
  “I condemned what he said then defended his right to free speech”.
  
  Nope, thays not good enough. The only way you can have free speech is if you agree with my point of view.
  
  Good to see the pushback against these nutters
  
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  December 20, 2022 2:59pm
mikenmildagain

Why can’t Stuff produce more reporting like this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/300768695/invercargill-voted-new-zealands-shit-town-of-the-year
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December 20, 2022 10:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I was unaware of the competition but I would have voted for Wellington. Home of politicians, crumbling infrastructure, communists, and terrible weather.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:01am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And per capita, more bearded men wearing lipstick and frocks.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:26am
    - Jack5
      
      What happened to the Wellington ex-policeman lawyer who went to court dressed as Bo Peep?
      
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      December 20, 2022 11:57am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Rob Moodie?
        
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        December 20, 2022 12:32pm
  - oldfella
    
    Nah, Benedict, my vote for ‘Shit Town’ goes to Tamaki Makaurau, with Kirikiriroa a close second.
    Crime-ridden settlements in the failed state of Aotearoa.
    
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    December 20, 2022 12:04pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Oddly enough, the perennial winner, Huntly, is convenient to both your choices of residence.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:33pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Wellington is not a town
    
    Whew
    
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    December 20, 2022 6:05pm
- Jack5
  
  The report doesn’t explain details of how the poll was taken. Promoting it won’t help Stuff keep afloat the Southland Times, whose circulation has dived steeply, like that of most other Stuff titles.
  
  The reported name of the organiser raises the question of whether the report is satire. Mr Rissolle. Say his surname repeatedly a few times.
  
  Shades of a South Island sportsman, a R. Sole, in the days when newspapers used identified people by initials rather than first names.
  
  R.Sole wins .. R.Sole wins … were the headliens when he was on form.
  
  The editorial ban came when a headline slipped in: R. Sole third.
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:37am
  - Swifty
    
    You’ve reminded me of Racing from Newmarket (if the mods will allow, NSFW).
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HNahRoDz8
    
    🙂
    
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    December 20, 2022 12:00pm
- Colville
  
  “Inbredcargill”
  
  🙂
  
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  December 20, 2022 11:39am
  - Jack5
    
    Interesting, the “inbred” stuff.
    
    In Southland, there were coastal Maori for centuries; then whaler and sealer crews who settled and married into Ngai Tahu — all well before the 1940 Treaty of Waitangi; then came shiploads of Scots; intermixed with a dribble of Irish and an even smaller dribble of English; followed by successful gold miners moving south from Central Otago to become farmers; then came Dutch, and Russian “Old Believers” as refugees; and now Filipino families working on dairy farms.
    
    Compare that with how many Maori migrated to NZ. At first they reckoned seven canoes. Now they say more canoes, perhaps 40.
    
    Thirty folk would be a good load for an ocean-going Polynesian canoe. So, say a thousand Maori settlers at the outside.
    
    Then centuries and centuries of inbreeding.
    
    If people have been inbreeding in NZ, look north.
    
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    December 20, 2022 11:55am
    - kowtow
      
      It is perfectly acceptable in “prog” circles , Hollywood , Wokelands etc to make “inbreed” jokes about “rednecks” ( another piece of racist hate speech)
      
      About any other identifiable “group” , well not so much.
      
      I wonder where the “equity” in that is?
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:18pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Your ideas on Polynesian migration and genetics are entertaining, to say the least.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:40pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  What poll? How many people were polled? When was this done?
  Stuff dreaming up headlines since… Forever!!…
  Zero facts in this – surprised you fell for this rubbish.
  
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  December 20, 2022 12:01pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Sorry to break the news, but Sh*t Towns of New Zealand was a (now sadly discontinued) Facebook page and also published two well-received books.
  Until today’s article I had thought Huntly always claimed first place.
  
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  December 20, 2022 12:38pm
Gravelroad

Why have a poll to identify NZ’s “shit town” of the year at all?
What is the point of it, except to harm a town’s reputation and mock it’s residents?
Don’t get it.
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December 20, 2022 11:59am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Most towns and most residents of said towns are capable of surviving some mockery.
  
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  December 20, 2022 12:41pm
Ghost

Stuff poll on radio nz and tvnz merger, 78% opposed to it, no doubt that will soon change and close

78% against 3 waters

68% against hate speech laws

75% against income insurance

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300769657/yeah-nah-do-you-support-the-governments-big-reforms
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December 20, 2022 12:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  34% of Stuff readers agree Invercargill deserved its title, while 64% would have preferred to see Huntly crowned 3-time champion.
  
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  December 20, 2022 12:44pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    You never stop at Huntly – you drive through and lock ya doors!
    
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    December 20, 2022 1:40pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      There are roads that avoid it completely, you know.
      
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      December 20, 2022 3:11pm
- Colville
  
  Ghost.
  Its telling that only one out of the four can crack better than 25% support and that is on Stuff the leftyier than left arsesuck lefty propaganda site.
  
  Labour in full retreat in 2023?
  
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  December 20, 2022 2:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Folds of Honor rated a four-star charity by Charity Navigator and platinum on Guide Star, that provides educational scholarships to the families of military men and women who have fallen or been disabled while on active duty in the United States armed forces.
I follow Dan Bongino on FB. I like the stories of these first responders. Patriots.
https://rumble.com/v2163u8-dan-bongino-stuns-folds-of-honor-ceo-on-live-tv-with-christmas-surprise.html
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December 20, 2022 1:05pm
Maggie Pie

PROTECTING THE VOTER BASE….

This sums up what Aotearoa New Zealand has become under Labor !
A piss-weak country run by useless dipshit bleeding heart politicians, backed by an out-of-touch-judiciary only too willing to put a crims rights ahead of those of its taxpaying law abiding citizens….with orders to be soft on crime and criminals.

Cuddles loses yet another case in Court to a returning 501 who maintains his ‘human-rights’ were breached. A further hearing to be held to determine ‘damages’ for a breach of those rights.

https://twitter.com/CourtsofNZ/status/1604980340207910912
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December 20, 2022 1:11pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ment to add…
  
  SHEEESH!!
  
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  December 20, 2022 1:14pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Australia – exporting their home-grown scumbags since 2015. Most of these 501’s are raised and made crims in Australia. All they are doing is dumping their rubbish in NZ on a technicality.
  
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  December 20, 2022 1:43pm
  - kowtow
    
    Exactly what we do to the Islands .
    
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    December 20, 2022 5:16pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    They are smarter than our politicians.
    A bit like the Aussies cancelled the passports of folk that fought for ISIS, and we didn’t, so we get to pick that tab up too.
    
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    December 20, 2022 5:31pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    All true. Sad. They aren’t even all scumbags – you can be deported for associating with undesirables. You don’t need convictions.
    
    Nothing much we can do about it.
    
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    December 20, 2022 5:59pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      [Mod – no need for that, calm it down]
      
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      December 20, 2022 7:42pm
    - Nickc2
      
      It’s Australians’ country, they can do whatever they like. Don’t forget, we also deport undesirables.
      Cindy’s renowned for grasping anything that will get her an international mention. I wonder why that is?
      
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      December 20, 2022 8:05pm
Paulus

I may be out of date, but regarding the 24% pay rise plus to the Firemen is it still so that the Government (Taxpayers) still only pay a small proportion of their total running costs, and the large balance is paid by the Insurance Companies, and of course factored in their insurance premiums.
Used to be so so years ago – the bill for the Fire Services was just given (not discussed) to the Insurance Industry body who were just expected to pay it.
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December 20, 2022 1:45pm
- Inandout
  
  Paulus, 80% of fire service staff are volunteers and the remaining permanent so one would expect expenses to be mainly for equipment. These costs are covered by levies and govt funding.
  
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  December 20, 2022 2:24pm
mogg

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/118943/face-labour-government-struggling-navigate-sea-troubles-national%E2%80%99s-hopes
This is well worth reading.
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December 20, 2022 1:52pm
- Taieri
  
  Very perceptive. But Trotter often is.
  
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  December 20, 2022 2:37pm
Harry Knuts

Is this the new cash-cow of petty theft crims – https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/130804135/toilet-stop-cost-tramper-his-bag–and-raises-serious-airport-security-concerns
Hang out at airport luggage pickup areas and do a sneaky lift. It’s not strange now CCTV doesn’t exist – it’s plain dodgy and an inside job. KeriKeri is small town. Everyone knows everyone.
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December 20, 2022 2:40pm
General

Source: a former BlackRock Executive Portfolio Manager

On March 14th, Josh Stirling made his second most important discovery in the CDC data.
( See Josh’s correlating chart below )

https://www.theyliedpeopledied.com/uploads/4/0/0/6/4006805/1771661142036-pic-hd_orig.jpg
It was the mix shift from old to young that occurred from 2020 to 2021.

126,000 of the 592,000 excess deaths in 2020 were people under the age of 65 or approximately 21%.

181,000 of the 512,000 excess deaths in 2021 were people under the age of 65 or approximately 35%.

More millennials died in excess than any other age group in 2021.

The number of excess millennial deaths in 2020 was 42,000, but jumped a whopping 45% to 61,000 in 2021.

In 2021, Covid strains were already mutating and becoming less virulent.

Also, it had already determined that the virus affected mostly older people with co-morbidities.

This indicates that the mix shift of excess deaths in 2021 was not likely due to COVID19 but rather some other external source.

SIXTY ONE THOUSAND more millennials died in 2021 than the average baseline from 2015 to 2019.
The virus was weaker in 2021, but yet more millennials died.
What else happened in 2021 at the same times with millennial excess deaths spiked? Jabs and mandates.

It’s important to note that 45,000 more people died under the age of 65 in 2021 versus year 2020.

Did the virus suddenly decide to only target younger folks disproportionately?

Did the virus change from respiratory to pulmonary in year 2?

The only thing that changed in 2021 was the introduction of the vaccine and mandates, which to simple deductive reasoning is the obvious culprit.

However, the authorities and the mainstream media simply refuse to acknowledge much less comment on this data.
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December 20, 2022 2:45pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I can see a promotion to Field Marshal in your future, General.
  
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  December 20, 2022 3:13pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  BTW, is the increased death rate for millennials a lead indicator for a fall in the price of avocado on toast?
  
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  December 20, 2022 3:15pm
- westernScientist
  
  so assuming you are talking about america, according to your numbers and assuming 71 million american millennial, there was an increase in excess deaths of millennials from 0.06% in 2020 to 0.085% in 2021 of the millennial population, so an increase you attribute to the jab of 0.025%, or 19000 people. Worth keeping in mind something like 50000 Americans die from suicide every year, there are about 25000 non-suicide gun deaths, and something like 15000 millennial die from heart disease (pre covid) every year.
  
  I dont spose just maybe there were a few more fatties, crims, druggies, alkis, suicides, etc. after the various government imposed restrictions and other events of those 2 years……
  
  Not claiming the jab is perfectly safe, of course its not we have known that all along, but it seams unlikely that all 0.025% could be attributed to the jab and not to other societal issues, or just plain data variance.
  
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  December 20, 2022 4:29pm
- westernScientist
  
  For a bit more context, NZ has 1.4 million millenials, and in 2021 1101 of them died (stats NZ). If as suggest above, 0.025% of the millennial population died because of the jab, that is ~350 millennials in 2021. Does any one really think that 1/3 of the 2021 deaths (total, not excess) in NZ millenials were due to the jab?
  
  It seems much more likely to me to be a result of a skyrocketing suicide rate, a collapsing health system and the all the other social ills which have been rapidly getting worse since 2017, and particularly 2020.
  
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  December 20, 2022 5:17pm
General

My yellow card report
Dr. John Campbell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb9E3cOPi-c

Yellow card scheme, Don’t wait for someone else to report it

https://www.gov.uk/drug-safety-update…

It is estimated that only 10% of serious reactions and between 2 and 4% of non-serious reactions are reported.
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December 20, 2022 3:07pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130817023/aunt-and-uncle-charged-in-connection-with-toddlers-homicide
Bastards.
Bring back the death penalty.
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December 20, 2022 3:30pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from tennis retweets….

Wellington man caught performing sex acts on pet cat in a neighbors home keeps name suppression 🙁

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130813108/the-man-caught-on-a pet-cam-doing-a sex-act-in-a-neighbours-home-has-kept-name-suppression
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December 20, 2022 4:59pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘Wellington man caught performing sex acts on pet cat’ is not quite the same as ‘the-man-caught-on-a-pet-cam’
  
  Funny, though.
  
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  December 20, 2022 6:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s not Dick Whittington then?
    
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    December 20, 2022 7:04pm
Ghost

Person arrested for last nights murder

A man has been arrested and charged with murder following a woman’s death in West Auckland last night.

Detective Senior Sergeant Nick Poland, Waitematā CIB, said police arrested and charged a 30-year-old man this afternoon.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/massey-homicide-investigation-30-year-old-man-arrested-charged-with-murder/6LBKGRFM6NGFTPK5VPHDR4ACTU/
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December 20, 2022 5:04pm
Suze Wainwright

Do the feministas sharing their outrage at Jeremy Clarkson’s misogyny ever share their views on the feminism affirming policies of aotearoa’s gangs?
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December 20, 2022 5:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

By email:
When I was a child, my father cheated and didn’t love my family. Later, my parents divorced. Soon my mother died in a car accident. My brother and I
could only live in my grandma’s old house. The whole family lived on my grandma’s savings. Later my brother drifted away after marrying an actress. Couple of years later, my grandmother died. Now my Dad, at the age of 73, has to work for the first time to support the family… such a tragic set of events.

Prince William
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December 20, 2022 5:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More Covid Vaccine rubbish, or is this just the continuing results of the ‘Forced Experimental Medication?”
The smarter than me people on KB will be able to unpack this. Please do.
https://gopnewsfeed.com/horrible-link-between-covid-vaccine-and-degenerative-brain-disease-has-been-revealed-4/
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December 20, 2022 6:00pm
Surely Knott

M.Markle’s Learn to Lead documentary ” was inspired by anti-apartheid activist and former South African President Nelson Mandela,”

How ironic that it also includes Ardern who is leading us into an apartheid state where votes and seats at the table of power will be determined by your race ..
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December 20, 2022 6:27pm
Ghost

18, going to jail, and about to have his fourth kid.

An 18-year-old, soon to be father to a fourth child, swindled people of about $80,000 off Facebook marketplace to pay back his drug debt to gangs.

Monaro Kerr-Wilson’s desperation saw him “buying” expensive items – including a $41,000 Harley Davidson – showing proof by using a fake screenshot from his account that the money had gone through.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teen-soon-to-be-father-of-four-jailed-for-80k-facebook-marketplace-frauds/ZX23UAVS4FA5TDMY5MJ5H3ZE2M/
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December 20, 2022 6:29pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks welfare state.
  
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  December 20, 2022 7:28pm
Ghost

Ha. I was pouring and serving drinks when I was 6 years old. Then I’d go and bet 50 cents on a game of pool against the tourists and win every time. Also made some good money taking tourists through tapu caves.

A woman says she was stunned when her friend was served alcohol by a 12-year-old but was even more “blown away” to discover the law allows it.

The woman, who Newshub has agreed not to name, said she and a friend were at a Rotorua bar on the night of December 10 where the boy was serving alcohol.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/calls-for-law-change-after-woman-blown-away-by-12yo-legally-serving-alcohol-at-rotorua-bar.html
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December 20, 2022 6:48pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/130822699/christchurchs-buses-20-emissionfree-after-new-electric-vehicles-join-fleet
Wow, that is so good ! Does that mean that ChCh no longer has a crime problem with ferals terrorising the place ?
All of the housing problems have been resolved ? No more issues with red zones, aerial pollution, inner-city building problems, water , etc etc?
What a delusional place that is. Ideology triumphs over common sense.
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December 20, 2022 7:06pm
Jack5

An interesting death notice in Stuff – Jeremy Charles Upham Agar.
He seems to have been a nephew of NZ’s double VC, Charles Upham.
His mother, Monica Pauline Hazlitt Everist, was born in 1915, a sister of Charles Upham, who was born in 1908.

She married Jeremy Agar’s father, John James Agar, who was killed in action with the 2NZEF. Widowed, she married Anthony Maurice Everist, Jeremy Agar’s step-father.

The Hazlitt in the family name seems to come from progenitor John Hazlitt, an English artist, well known for his miniature portraits, and brother of William Hazlitt the famous English essayist. Someone may correct me on this.

Jeremy Charles Upham Agar, of Lyttelton, died aged 80. His death notice includes this:

In the words of his great-great-great uncle William Hazlitt; “Well I’ve had a happy life.”
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December 20, 2022 7:57pm
NZer In Exile

From one of the cancel-proof “climate scientists” who DOES actually know what he’s talking about and isn’t just a career narrative grifter nor a panic driven activist:

Data shows there’s no climate catastrophe looming – climatologist Dr J Christy debunks the narrative:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/12/18/data-shows-theres-no-climate-catastrophe-looming-climatologist-dr-j-christy-debunks-the-narrative/

Meanwhile we are likely heading into a situation worse than the GFC. So let’s waste trillions on a hypothesis that’s totally shot full of holes and make the whole situation significantly worse!!! 🤪
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December 20, 2022 8:41pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  And, tightly related:
  
  “We are in a debt trap” – Nouriel Roubini on 10 ‘megathreats’ to our world and how to stop them:
  
  https://theglobalherald.com/news/we-are-in-a-debt-trap-nouriel-roubini-on-10-megathreats-to-our-world-and-how-to-stop-them/
  
  Bottom line: The only way out is economic growth and current renewables are a fool’s errand that will only make these issues much worse.
  
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  December 20, 2022 8:46pm
Nickc2

Breaking News
South Australia’s Renewable Energy farm loses twenty-five percent of its Solar Panels due to a Hail Storm.
Fancy that.
Source: Fox News Aust.
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December 20, 2022 8:44pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  The Federal government’s just intervened in the energy sector, setting a price cap for gas-generated electricity, seemingly to push gas production to the wall.
  
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