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mikenmildagain

Eighty years ago today, the minesweeper HMNZS South Sea sank in Wellington Harbour after colliding with the inter-island steamer Wahine. There were no deaths as the collision was well inside the harbour and other patrol craft were near. The wreck is off Point Halswell.
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December 19, 2022 8:00am
- slightlyrighty
  
  81 Years ago today, HMS Netpune struck mines near Tripoli and was lost with all but 1 sailor.
  
  Of the 736 that perished, 150 were New Zealand sailors, including four from Nelson. A memorial service to Neptune and her crew is held each year in Nelson.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Some more details of Neptune’s tragic trap in the uncharted minefield:
    
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/page/hms-neptune-lost-mediterranean
    
    Presumably, the next biggest NZ naval loss was when the Neptune’s sister ship Leander was one of three Allied cruisers torpedoed in a Solomons battle in July 1943.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:58am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Why has anyone down ticked this?
  
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  December 19, 2022 6:50pm
  - Mike
    
    Haters gonna hate.
    
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    December 19, 2022 7:05pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Probably just enjoying lashing Milky for previous annoying troll/strawman posts I’m guessing 😃.
    
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    December 20, 2022 2:42pm
Yvette

Police warn public should ‘definitely’ worry after Hamilton dairy worker’s fingers cut off
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/police-warn-public-should-definitely-worry-after-hamilton-dairy-worker-s-fingers-cut-off.html

Should the Government not act in whatever process is needed to make a sentence of one year mandatory for anyone convicted of retail crime, and three years mandatory for any conviction of injury, with such penalties taking precedence over any lesser sentence deemed appropriate, and giving way to any normal sentence that is greater.

Rather than being demeaned as a general community in ads that say “It’s almost out the door” and “We are saving so much … planet right now”, is this not a perceived community that Jacinda has forgotten is a part of Us?

Physical bollards is bullocks – the bollards need to be mental.
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December 19, 2022 8:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  [Mod – stop posting nonsense to people’s discussions ]
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:16am
  - Flossie
    
    What on earth? How could you get that impression?
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:36am
  - graham
    
    mikenmildagain – seriously, step away from the keyboard and go for a walk or something. I think you’re beginning to lose it.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:48am
    - Colville
      
      “beginning”?
      
      🤔🤣
      
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      December 19, 2022 12:37pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  There are two components to deterring crime first the consequences of being caught and second the likelihood of being caught. Remove either of those and you have lawlessness. Labour removed both.
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:32am
  - alloytoo
    
    In addition they returned all the people previously incarcerated for such behaviour back into the community.
    
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    December 19, 2022 8:54am
    - Nickc2
      
      Now where have I heard that before? Oh, that’s right, it’s a Kelvinism eh?
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:13am
    - Matt Long
      
      https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-nz-s-rarely-reported-plummeting-prison-population
      One of the comments on this article is illuminating, the first criminal activity of most of the prisoners the commenter has dealt with is stealing ciggies etc. for mummy and “daddy.”
      Inciting a minor to criminal acts should have severe consequences.
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:56am
  - MCōs
    
    Interesting you say that.
    In Chicago, which has about 800 murders a year, only about 200 result in a charge.
    BTW
    Chicago is about two the size of Auckland
    Here in NZ pretty much all homicides result in someone charges.
    I’m told that’s because we have a far higher ratio of detectives to front line police.
    Here someone is usually charged for gun attacks, knife/machete attacks.
    That bloke who chopped the shop assistants fingers off will almost certainly be caught.
    
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    December 19, 2022 8:59am
    - Colville
      
      and the chance of anyone being charged after you house was burgled or your car stolen?
      Zero.
      Because the cops will never even turn up to look …
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:15am
      - MCōs
        
        Wrong
        Stuff was taken from my house in Ngaio.
        Police turned up and actually arrested the culprits a couple of months later.
        Same people had stolen stuff from ~30 houses and someone spotted something at Cash Converters.
        Stuff was taken out of my garage here in Auckland , police turned up, but I knew it was a hopeless case, but insurance came into it.
        Someone pinched our garden hose once.
        If you don’t want to get stuff stolen look after it. Don’t blame whichever government is in power.
        
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        December 19, 2022 9:48am
      - Colville
        
        MCos.
        So having “stuff” behind bollards, a locked screen and locked doors isnt sufficient to keep “stuff” safe…what is??
        
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        December 19, 2022 12:40pm
      - cmm
        
        Colville
        
        “what is (safe)?”
        
        Stuff behind a 38.
        
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        December 19, 2022 1:29pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Have they caught the murderer of the dairy worker yet? The drive by shooters or the church assassin? We’ll wait and see. I’m not sure you’re faith in our detectives is well placed they’re good but they can’t be in two places at once. Labour signalled to a section of society that they were legitimate cultural groups rather than criminal organisations and gave them status and money.
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:38am
      - Ghost
        
        They made three arrests for the Sandringham murder within a few days of it. if by drive by shooting you mean the houses in Christchurch they arrested gang members for that.
        
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        December 19, 2022 9:40am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes and when he is caught, there will be a family meeting and wrap around services provided for the poor fellow.
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:39am
      - Lance
        
        If it’s a family group type wet bus ticket, the perps family get to verbally abuse the victim without consequence.
        
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        December 19, 2022 10:27am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘That bloke who chopped the shop assistants fingers off will almost certainly be caught.’
      
      And then what ?
      
      A very serious encounter with a wet bus ticket .
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:44am
    - graham
      
      “That bloke who chopped the shop assistants fingers off will almost certainly be caught.”
      
      Oh good. I’m sure that’ll be a great relief to the shop assistant whose life has been changed forever.
      
      Hope he wasn’t a keen musician, any hopes of playing a musical instrument just got a whole lot harder.
      
      But hey … the bloke will almost certainly be caught. Hooray.
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:53am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Likely to have stuffed his cricket career. Or rugby. Or holding hands with his loved ones. But you get the picture.
        
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        December 19, 2022 2:10pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Chicago has a notorious Democrat as mayor, if people keep voting in Regressive idiots of course crime will get out of control.
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:59am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      800? when watching news from the US on a Monday there is usually between 5 and 10 shootings deaths alone just in the weekend, i thought defund the police Chicago had about 3000 a year.
      
      Thanks to Lori Lighfoot.
      
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      December 19, 2022 1:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      Re MCos mention of Chicago crime rate v. Auckkland’s.
      
      Chicago population: about 2.8 million.
      Auckland population: about 1.7 million.
      
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      December 19, 2022 5:39pm
  - Paulus
    
    Yes – there are now no consequences now that the Government has gone soft on crime.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:24am
- backster
  
  The Sentenceing Act and the Judiciary and the Woke Government are responsible for the breakdown in Law and Order. All their empathy is with the offenders to the exclusion of the victims. Meaningful reform to reverse this situation is urgently needed.
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:53am
- Tony Stuart
  
  An interesting sidelight to the dairy robbery at the weekend. It has been speculated that the machete attack was designed to prevent the staff member activating the fog cannon which had been activated during a previous robbery in the store. Once again, it seems as though the criminals are a step ahead of the authorities.
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:59am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    @ Ghost. If what you say is true than I stand corrected. The point I’m making though is of an overwhelmed police force and on that I stand.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Not so suure the footage shows machete man hitting the Good Samaritan outside the premises too . Maybe with the flat of the blade , maybe pure luck.
    
    Clearly the guy’s a pyschopath and needs to be locked up for the rest of his natural.
    
    What he actually needs is an appointment with the hangman.
    
    Pour encourage les autres.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I was told by the person who must be obeyed that the assault outside the shop was with a soft ball bat.
      
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      December 19, 2022 1:23pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Judging by the frenzied nature of the attack, I suspect at least one of the group might have been high on methamphetamine.
      
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      December 19, 2022 5:49pm
  - Kiwiguy
    
    I can’t believe that shop owners aren’t all arming themselves en masse. I would be. Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.
    
    I’m also surprised someone hasn’t set up a trap to catch some of these thugs. Park a Demio on the side of the road with heavily tinted windows. Wait for the scum to break in and start driving off, then surprise them from behind with something to subdue them… I’ll leave the rest up to your imagination.
    
    But seriously, why aren’t the public fighting back in this way? Are we all that complacent because it doesn’t affect me personally? I’m not as young as I was, otherwise I’d be rounding up a posse…
    
    The only silver lining to all this (if you can call it that) is that every crime event like this is turning more and more people off the current government as they are perceived to be soft and ineffective on crime.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:13am
    - Lance
      
      Good grief, imagine the river of crap that would result.
      The police to prosecute the dairy worker to the full extent of the law. The perps family will be on TV weeping (even if he isn’t killed) and private prosecutions and demonstrations will result.
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:31am
      - Kiwiguy
        
        Yeah I know… tragic.
        
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        December 19, 2022 11:25am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        The term you’re looking for is “collateral damage”. These deaths and injuries are acceptable to Police, the judiciary and the governments of the day in preference to allowing people to defend themselves with firearms or even like-for-like machetes, because that would increase the death toll.
        
        “We don’t want to become like America” is the call, and that too is accepted by the vast majority of voters. Combined with this is the pure utilitarianism of focusing on road deaths, the argument being that many more people die on the roads than in shops via violent crime.
        
        So any outrage/sadness/regret/calls-for-justice etc, are just performative to quiet down the public and allow the status quo system to continue to move on.
        
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        December 19, 2022 11:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Cindy so don’t arm ya self, she must be obeyed too
      
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      December 19, 2022 1:24pm
  - Its only I
    
    I have always thought knife crime to be very deliberate and a particularly personal event.
    Chopping off body parts to stop a button being pushed? for f sake, that’s not someone fit to walk among us.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:38am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO the Government the Judicary the Police and the Lawyer Class lack the capacity capability and most important the will to deal with crime. They are content to sit and wait until crime is committed and then maybe take some action. They are all reactionary rather than proactive.
  They should apply the laws the Government set for H&S that is identify the risk and eliminate it. And I do mean identify and eliminate with extreme prejudice.
  TINA. There is no alternative.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But but but, we have to empty the prisons. thats our way of defunding the police
    
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    December 19, 2022 1:25pm
- Ehlana
  
  “Rather than being demeaned as a general community”. Do those ads demean a general community? I assume you mean Indian New Zealanders. I thought they depicted fairly normal scenarios actually – aren’t most people pleased to see their mortgage decrease? And pretending to be more “planet conscious” in front of the kids seems fairly normal parental behaviour too.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:14am
- Keith White
  
  And we need 2nd Amendment-style CCW for self-defense enshrined as a right in law. IMO.
  
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  December 20, 2022 12:12am
Tricati

With the events over the weekend of a further gang shooting and a dairy worker loosing 2 fingers in a feral attack by thugs, I bet Ardern and her mob are glad parliament has ended for the year. Haven’t heard any comment from either the Police minister or PM over the vicious attacks, which I feels say’s it all – they have no answers.
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December 19, 2022 8:07am
- pdm
  
  tri – given up or not interested.
  
  No votes from the victims anyway.
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:14am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Police Minister??? Do we have a Police Minister?
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:26am
  - Colville
    
    *cuddles*
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:16am
    - Don Beckett
      
      It’s now time to encourage the store owners to arm themselves – swords, spears, guns – whatever. Because no-one in the govt. or police is going to take any notice till some of these ferals are killed or badly injured. Maybe a couple of shop owners will take one for the team to see what the response will be.
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:15am
    - rouppe
      
      That’s the commissioner.
      
      The minister is *chippie*
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:47am
      - Colville
        
        why let truth get in the way of a good story?
        
        🙂
        
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        December 19, 2022 12:44pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Chippin Chippie.
    
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    December 19, 2022 1:37pm
  - Keith White
    
    We’re being taxed to fund the role, and the trough audio monitors are picking up the slurping sounds, but yeah – we have a seat-warming gutless hypocrite who wants “security for me but not for thee”.
    
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    December 20, 2022 12:14am
  - Scooter
    
    Chris Hipkins MIA
    
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    December 20, 2022 2:05am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Please be kind!
  
  The poor cabinet has to spend their entire summer holidays formulating election year bribes with absolutely no dosh in the cupboard
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:26am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Heh, so how can Cindy say “what are you going to cut?” back at National and ACT with any conviction for the best part of next year…?
    
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    December 19, 2022 8:28am
    - alloytoo
      
      Were I National and Act the answer should be a simple.
      
      “Well, we’ll start with your spin doctors.”
      
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      December 19, 2022 8:56am
      - Cassandra
        
        And the Race Relations fellow and the rest of the HRC.
        
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        December 19, 2022 9:24am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      How many 100 million did it cost for the government to buy the cricket off spark? Yet more borrowed wasted billions
      
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      December 19, 2022 12:25pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Labour have proved time and again, you don’t need dosh in the cupboard to make election bribes. Especially when you are pretty sure your not going to win anyway.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:05am
  - Dougal10
    
    The first plan will be cutting opposition MPs and their staff that will free up a few million as well as getting rid of pesky questions while at work for cindy and co.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:18am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      No, no, no, NO.. Having a functional Opposition is absolutely fundamental and essential to quality debate and decision making in a Parliamentary democracy.
      
      Certainly, public funding for Opposition MPs and their staff doesn’t guarantee such quality. But not funding them most certainly does guarantee its absence.
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:59am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Yes indeed they have literally borrowed, printed and spent the nation’s wealth. Now it’s all gone and chickens have come to roost. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so calamitous. The new year is going to be very miserable for many hard working NZs. All we need now is a big destructive quake in a large town or city and we will be buggered.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Also a stabbing in CHCH, and now a shooting in Invers
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:32pm
103PapPap

I’ve given up on donating to charity – particularly those that give to the poor and needy in Africa and other third world countries, for two reasons: first, when you feed these people, the first thing they do Is breed again, just exasperating the hunger problem even further, second, if you look at the annual accounts of these charity organisations, you will see that the people that run these charities are on quite large salaries (think $300,000 pa), so most of your donation goes to the people running the charity, not to the people who it is supposed to be for.
So, stop giving to these charities, the third world people stop breeding (and so help control population growth), and climate change becomes less of a problem!
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December 19, 2022 8:20am
- Nickc2
  
  If all references to Africa are removed from 103PapPap’s posting, we have a possible solution to NZ’s current problems eh?
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:44am
- Mummy
  
  Find a small local charity and donate to that. Charity begins at home.
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:50am
  - Colville
    
    For me its the rescue helicopter and the local surf lifesavers…
    
    2 worthy candidates that my have a chance of draggy my near lifeless body out of significant trouble !!
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:19am
- MCōs
  
  The reason why people in poorer countries, the vast majority of whom don’t live off charity handouts, unlike the the older people here who get a universal pension, is they rely on their family to look after them in their old age. In exchange they might look after their kids while they’re at work, cook the meals, clean the house.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:23am
  - rouppe
    
    Whereas here, the older in society are looked after by the younger in society, by way of that universal pension you sneeringly called a charity handout.
    
    It’s actually exactly the same thing, only formalized to account for the fact we don’t live in villages anymore
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:52am
    - MCōs
      
      I called it a universal pension which is entirely different.
      
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      December 19, 2022 12:36pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        A universal pension MCos, which supposedly, the older folk have paid taxes to benefit from.
        
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        December 19, 2022 2:05pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    The older people here do not live off of charity they paid for their pension with their taxes over their life time of work
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:01am
    - MCōs
      
      I didn’t say they live off charity.
      Pensions are paid for from the current taxes as it happens.
      I and taxpayers at the time paid for the pensions of those who were receiving them at that time.
      
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      December 19, 2022 12:41pm
      - zulumonster
        
        “Pensions are paid for from the current taxes as it happens.”
        And it has been that way for a long time. But as far as I can tell it is only recent generations of ingrates that seem to think they are being hard done by through this process.
        
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        December 19, 2022 2:00pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  How exactly do you imagine people are going to stop breeding?
  
  The answer to your concerns is not to stop donating to charity altogether, it is to look specifically for charities with a focus on female education and health. When women are better educated and have ready access to contraceptives, reductions in birth rates follow.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:42am
  - MCōs
    
    Depends what the charities do.
    I read the other day about the a huge mud slide devastated an area of Malaysia. Then there’s the ongoing flooding in Pakistan. That’s where Red Cross helps out.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:49am
  - Sideoiler
    
    How exactly do you imagine people are going to stop breeding?
    
    Easy, cut the money off.
    The situation is no different in this country either, want to reduce poverty, stop subsidising breeding programmes.
    Poverty tends to grow to devour the resources made available.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:25am
    - Kiwiguy
      
      For a second I thought you were gonna recommend cutting something else off…
      
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      December 19, 2022 1:38pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Albert Ross-
    In some countries and cultures, it does not matter how “better educated” women are because it is the men who have the power to say whether they have children or not.
    Have sex or not.
    Use contraceptives or not.
    Don’t blame birth rates entirely on women – easier though that might seem to men who rule the roost.
    
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    December 19, 2022 1:47pm
- Paulus
  
  I have just told my whole family that we will not be giving them any presents (except a Lotto ticket each) and that what we usually spend has been sent to our local food bank.
  In principle we are not in favour of such as foodbanks, but “we remain mindful of the wants and needs of others” my late Father’s life motto to which he subscribed.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:32am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It would be good to see Jaxxie spending her Christmas Day at ‘No Room at the Inn’, dishing out meals to the indigent. All day, mind you, including helping with the washing up. Not just 15 mins for the photo opp.
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:16pm
- david
  
  unfortunately 103PP, the first natural reaction of all living beings from plants to humans, to stress and threat of imminent demise, is to procreate and ensure that even if the individual perishes, the species will continue.
  The other natural reaction to low survival rates of juveniles, is to breed in greater numbers to ensure that at least some might survive.
  Hence in more ‘advanced” civilisations the family size drops quite fast while feeding the starving poor creates a synthetic survival scenario where the poorest have the largest families and against the trend most survive to create a growing underclass of uneducated and ignorant, low productivity mindless drones with a propensity to ignore societal norms and put personal survival at the top of their priorities. Rules are meaningless in such a scenario so the laws that need to be obeyed (society’s rules) are ignored and we descend into chaos wring our hands and praying for salvation.
  
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  December 19, 2022 11:33am
- cmm
  
  103… on top of that, a large % of whatever makes it through paying for the charity gathering and actually ends up in Africa is then used to pay off corrupt officials and warlord “taxes” for crossing their turf.
  
  Those starving faces you see on TV are lucky if they see more than 20% of the money donated in their name.
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:34pm
  - MCōs
    
    When I first worked in Thailand I was told NZ aid was used to build a hospital up country.
    I don’t remember the details, but maybe it for Burmese refugees of which there are a lot near the border.
    The talk was the UN was circumvented to keep the cost down.
    
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    December 19, 2022 3:30pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Thailand is hardly a poor country. Why does it need NZ aid? (PS I lived there 17 years.)
      
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      December 19, 2022 6:43pm
- Ra Henare
  
  The solution to population growth in 3rd world countries is relatively easy.
  
  Cheap and plentiful energy which lifts them out of poverty. When out of poverty reproduction rates plummet.
  
  But of course the Western Nannies want to reduce cheap energy(fossil fuel) from Africa.
  
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  December 19, 2022 3:12pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/road-toll-hits-four-year-high-as-holiday-season-approaches.html

Just another statistic the government has managed to make worse.

They take something, in this case road deaths and say – its too high. So they set a completely unrealistic target – We need to aim for zero deaths on the road. Spend a bunch of money on a moronic advertising campaign, which does nothing except likely line the pockets of their mates in the media and then reduce the speed limit on a bunch of roads.

Its all spin and no idea how to actually deliver anything.

The result? Worst year for road deaths since 2018 and could even be the worst in a decade once the Xmas toll comes in.

Instead of fixing the roads and actually installing the median barriers that have been recommended, they do literally nothing to work towards the thing they say they are trying to fix.

And if the PM is queried on it she will say, we are aspirational and people just ignore the fact they made it worse by not even trying to make things better.

I don’t know who is worse, the government for thinking they can achieve stuff without doing any work, or the people that vote for them, believing they can.

I wonder how much extra tax payer money has been spent on road safety this year for a worse outcome?

I wonder when people will realise that fixing things doesn’t mean announcing how much money you are throwing at it, it actually requires a plan and then physical action.
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December 19, 2022 8:21am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Did you notice any difference in the years between 2018 and now?
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Five years of neglect?
    
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    December 19, 2022 8:40am
    - rouppe
      
      Five years of failure, mate.
      
      Come on, keep up with the alliteration 😉
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:54am
      - Joely Doe
        
        Next year it becomes..
        
        Six years of sabotage
        
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        December 19, 2022 11:09am
      - rouppe
        
        I’ve been trying to think of one. Sabotage crossed my mind though I thought it a bit too hyperbolic.
        
        Currently thinking of Six years of spendthrift which encapsulates this government’s attitude to governance of anything
        
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        December 19, 2022 1:41pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Six years of stupidity. Covers both Labour & their supporters.
        
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        December 19, 2022 2:18pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, more fuckin pot-holes!
    
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    December 19, 2022 8:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    More pot holes, less road maintenance.
    
    We have much lower road speeds and less people speedinging to excess (more than 10k over the limit), yet the number of deaths is up. Could it be that speed isn’t the issue?
    
    Note: We should stop looking at the road toll as # of deaths and look at the percentage. Each year we increase the number of vehicles on the road so to a degree it is only natural the road toll will increase.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:09am
    - Nickc2
      
      That’s not what Julie Anne Genter wants to hear, it’s too logical.
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:18am
    - Phronesis
      
      Perhaps, although the road toll is equally a measure of the safety of the vehicle fleet and the speed of access to quality medical care. People are walking away from accidents that would have been fatal in a 90’s era car and surviving injuries that would have been unsurvivable prior to rescue helicopters and advanced medical care.
      The road toll is actually a pretty meaningless statistic. It would be much more interesting to know how many serious accidents are occurring.
      
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      December 19, 2022 4:03pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Road to Zero ads and some major roads in a very poor condition.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:43am
- ClanMcleod
  
  But it’s so “aspirational”……..
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:52am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Yeah, but think how much MONEY they have SAVED by having a road to zero target. If the zero props cost $30k, how much would it cost to have an achievable target of say 228?
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:51am
Maggie Pie

My partner had a few of his raucous mates over late last nite to watch the soccer final. He was saying they were quite p*ssed off that rather than being ‘live-to-air’ Skysport was running a 25-second delay apparently.

Anyway he’s gone upstairs for a power nap. If he thinks I’m cleaning up the HT he’ll be in for a shock. Svetlana only comes on Fridays.
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December 19, 2022 8:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Sky always has a slight delay, it’s to do with getting the feed through the satellites, tell him to put two TVs on the same channel and one through sky, and one not, there is always a delay of some sort
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

[No need for the casual racism. Thanks. mod.]
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December 19, 2022 8:38am
- crikey
  
  Re Maggie Pie’s post: It would be helpful for others posting on this blog (addressed to “mod”) to see what it is you decide is racism given you are the sole arbiter of what is and is not for that particular post.
  
  [Mod – the blog has rules everyone has to follow, it’s what Mods have to follow as well https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy ]
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:59pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTmQYbh0Y6Y
Why Pakistan Is China’s Best Ally.

Ever wondered who China’s best ally is? We usually associate #China with countries like North Korea, Russia, Cuba or any communist regime or one with a communist past during the Cold War. But the reality is that, quite possibly, China’s best friend is a country we don’t often talk about: Pakistan, a country devastated by its devalued currency, unproductive economy and mountains of debt it can barely pay off. Although it is true that #Pakistan managed to make good friends with the United States as soon as it became independent, relations between the two countries have gradually cooled, leaving a gap that China has been able to fill since the 1950’s. Thus, today we find ourselves with an alliance that, although unexpected, is fruitful and beneficial for both nations, which feed off each other.
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December 19, 2022 8:43am
- Nickc2
  
  We have a couple of things in common with Pakistan – corruption, and Cricket.
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    The cricket came from Britain , the corruption , not so much.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      Cricket, the Tentacles of the Empire?
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:23am
  - curry4me
    
    Indeed we do. Pakistan is usually better at both.
    
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    December 19, 2022 6:48pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep. Building a port located directly outside the Straights of Hormuz.
  Where most of the Worlds oil comes through.
  FWITW, Nz has an “agreement” with China mush to the dismay of other 5 eyes Partners and wishing to Utilise NZ as a Direct link to South America.
  Livewire has got a interesting article on this.
  Out of interest China sure know how to secure supply chains.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:58am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oyM4MRtdDs
Legacy Media CRYBULLY Whining Continues as Taylor Lorenz is Banned from Twitter.

Elon should go hard for a few months and apply all the pressure they did to the right. Most people who support authoritarian rule do not look at if the shoe was on the other foot. They must be forced to wear the shoe then you offer to remove the shoe but if they want to go down the authoritarian road again they’ll feel it too. That’s all. Maybe they’ll learn enough to not drag us into violent political conflict.
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December 19, 2022 8:44am
- alloytoo
  
  Elon is pissed, and quite rightly so because some mongrel blocked and harrassed a vehicle carrying his son X, as well as some so called journalist circumventing a privacy blanket on his private Jet’s transponder.
  
  Doxing journalists deserve everything they get.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:01am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, I wonder how long before free speech becomes contagious on big tech. They’d do well to make it so before an incoming administration does it for them.
    
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    December 19, 2022 6:50pm
- MCōs
  
  This Taylor Lorenz
  https://twitter.com/taylorlorenz/status/1604559889585410048?s=61&t=uFZyzxIX519jitaFRSZhqQ
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:29am
- Raphael
  
  Taylor Lorenz, the gift that keeps on giving.
  
  That being said, she apparently did scrub her timeline of posts that would fall foul with the new rules on doxing, so while she most certainly has purposely doxed people in the past, I don’t think she should be punished retroactively now the rule is in place.
  
  Besides it’s Taylor Lorenz, you know she will dox someone with a remotely rational viewpoint within a few days.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:41am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    She doxxed someone who she was doing an article on, after she promised in a text exchange, not to make her address public if the subject of the article shared it with her. That’s why she got banned.
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:08pm
    - Raphael
      
      yes, she has doxed a lot of people. But when the new rule against her behaviour came in, she deleted those posts.
      
      Don’t get me wrong, Taylor Lorenz is not a good person (I have stronger thoughts and words, but that would try the patience of our host). But the rule should not be enforced retroactively.
      
      That is one of the things that is so annoying about YouTube. “oh that video you made 10 years ago now has something against the Community Guidelines, have a strike”
      
      It’s Taylor Lorenz, she will do things to break the new rule if you give her a coupla days, then drop the ban hammer.
      
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      December 19, 2022 3:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Speaking of Elon, this from 40 mins ago:
  
  Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll.
  
  Poll currently showing 56.7% YES.
  
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  December 19, 2022 12:58pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Elon’s reply to someone else replacing him as CEO…
    
    ‘The question is not finding a CEO, the question is finding a CEO who can keep Twitter alive’ 👌
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:50pm
  - Raphael
    
    when he took control he said he didn’t intend to run it personally long-term.
    
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    December 19, 2022 3:39pm
Inandout

Apparently last night was a boomer in Waikato for looters, in fact so many not all 6 incidents were reported.
Super Liquor Te Awamutu ram raided.
Noel Leeming Cambridge ram raided.
Super Liquor Saint Andrews ram raided.
Home invasion and car stolen rural Ngahinapouri.
Clothing store burgled in Otorohanga.
Shots fired at police in Melville.
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December 19, 2022 8:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Just another night in the ‘Tron, the City of the Future.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:00am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Village of the Damned I’d say Tony, along with that windswept cess pit, Palmerston North.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:11am
- Nickc2
  
  Phone the Police Minister! Oops, maybe not, he’s on holiday until whenever there’s some good news.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:05am
- Ian Boag
  
  Off the top of my head ….
  
  Ram raiding requires car theft. Any modern car with a transponder-type key fob is difficult to steal because it can’t be hot-wired. Any car with a bar-type steering lock is a bit hard to steal because it takes an angle grinder to remove it which is a bit slow and rather noisy.
  
  So if we gave away this type of steering lock to anyone who came and asked, it might slow things down by making car theft a bit harder …. they retail for sums between $20-$60.
  
  Not a 100% idea but ….
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:12am
  - Inandout
    
    Ian, heard of bolt cutters or portable cutters.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:23am
    - kevn
      
      @InOut… Yes, the new fangled battery powered disc grinders rip through those locks.
      
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      December 19, 2022 9:41am
    - rouppe
      
      But they make a heck of a racket and it takes some time.
      
      By which time some pissed off home owner might come out with a battery chainsaw.
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:00am
  - Colville
    
    any 15 year old Mazda can be started with a screw driver…
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    I believe Mazda demios and Toyota Aquas are commonly stolen. Both of these are modern vehicles that I imagine would have the Key fobs.
    
    Stearing wheel bars are a pain in the arse that most dont want to F around with every time they get in and out of a car.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:01am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Stearing wheel bars are a pain
      
      Having your car nicked is a bigger one. I wasn’t saying this is a perfect solution but maybe “perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of good ….”
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:36am
      - RoboRob
        
        My personal experiance is that I don’t use a wheel lock. I would say the fact that > 99% of people dont use them confirms I am not in the minority 🙂
        
        Agree re ‘perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of good’. But in this case I am talking abour reality. People have made the choice not to use them.
        
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        December 19, 2022 12:00pm
      - igm
        
        Good ones are high tensile (really tough) , making it damn hard to cut, even with a disc grinder. In early cars they are a good deterrent.
        My T150 always had a high tensile chain on it when parked in public, even dyna bolted to the garage floor, with our German Shepherds running around free.
        Never had a problem!
        
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        December 20, 2022 4:37am
    - Pavel
      
      Steering wheel bars ate useless, they just cut through the steering wheel which has very soft steal in case you crash.
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:40am
      - Ian Boag
        
        I didn’t say this was a 100% solution. I would imagine that if two equally hot-wirable cars are parked side by side and one has a bar and the baddies are looking for one … they will go for the one without a bar. Easier and all that ….
        
        Not that I’ve run a survey or anything
        
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        December 20, 2022 11:51am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I think I meant “push-button keyless start”. Means the car has an immobiliser. Makes it all a bit hard for the smash window-hotwire crowd,
      
      Older Mazda Demios do not have a factory immobiliser … a lot of Aquas don’t either.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:02pm
- kowtow
  
  In other news, not widely reported Waikato just got nearly $100 mil treaty top up.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:53am
  - Ghost
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/130785206/latest-waikatotainui-treaty-settlement-payment-takes-iwi-total-to-390-million
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/waikato-tainui-and-ngai-tahu-receive-treaty-relativity-payments/CQIFKVZ3QJEJHM5ZUOLYYTT7W4/
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:00am
  - Yabster
    
    yep posted that last week- Tanui/Mahuta corp and Ngai Tahu/the south island mafia have these clauses re top ups… a gift that keeps on giving….
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:36am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Getting in early for Christmas shopping.
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:21pm
fernglas

Wake up. This is what awaits you
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/481016/dozens-of-groups-urge-govt-to-pick-up-pace-on-co-governance
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December 19, 2022 9:02am
- Cassandra
  
  Staggering that CAB favours it but then, on reflection, I imagine the 60 organisations are all left wing. There’s a referendum coming, a General Election. Co-governance is doomed, for at least 3 ears anyway.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:30am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Hijab-wearing activist urges co-governance for ‘justice and equity’.
  Why does the media even bother quoting such a spokesperson, and not for instance seek a quote from Hobson’s Choice or any group which is opposed?
  It seems journalists know the correct message to push, and try and manufacture a sense of public support for something which is far from supported universally.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:51am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Sounds like a deal has been done between Willie and his Elite mates and these groups. “get onboard and we’ll look after you” type message.
    There must have been some backroom discussion around how the co-governance is segregating these groups. The truth will wash out and it will look murky.
    
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    December 19, 2022 12:29pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  An imported Pom Islamic Activist who has been here half a dog watch.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:01am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Dog Watch, Maybe needs to spend some time up the Monkey Island. //
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:03am
- oldfella
  
  Cabinet is due to make a decision on whether to pause its co-governance work tomorrow.
  
  The story was from yesterday. So supposedly we can expect that decision today. Not holding my breath.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:39am
- Gravelroad
  
  @fernglas
  It is a pity a reporter didn’t ask this woman to define what she means by “co-governance”.
  I don’t think she has much idea at all of what co-governance would entail, or any level of governance purpose for that matter.
  What she really wants is more minority power, influence and money and thinks by jumping on the TofW money train that will get it for her and her associates.
  And you can’t blame her for thinking that would work, eh.
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:18pm
Rusty

Without trying to sound insensitive to what happened to this Hamilton dairy worker, the question must be asked – how effective are fog canons and security alarms in the first place?

I assume these buttons are somewhere behind the counter but if the worker is not there when the crime takes place then it’s no good for them.

These lowlife scum repeat offenders know this and will devise tactics to prevent dairy workers activating these devices.

Bottom line is hefty new laws for dairy hold ups, ram raids and other related crimes should be implemented right now by this govt.

Real prison time and no excuses for these dirt bags reasons for committing these crimes.

Jacinda and her fellow day dreaming utopians should stop defending the rights of the crims and
defend the rights of law abiding citizens who become victims.
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December 19, 2022 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda needs their votes.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:32am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Encourage the store owners to arm themselves. No-one will wake up until some ferals are dead.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:26am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The police and government ask retail shop owners not to arm themselves.
  Had that neighbour in Hamilton approached them with a firearm in hand, the police would have made an example of him. And if he was even holding a baseball bat I expect he would be condemned.
  
  IMO you should be able to do whatever you like to someone who enters your premises with a tomahawk or machete or such. And if the public was able to intervene in ANY way they saw fit as well to support the victim then the discomfort for the criminals would increase.
  
  Never going to happen though.
  The criminals are out of control, but the police and the law will not want to lose control of the lawful.
  A mutilated or dead shop owner, or any number of them, is not going to mean any less protection for or a reconsideration of the rights of the criminal class.
  Personally, I think open season should be called, and shop owners allowed to weapon up and use lethal force. Some of the Sikh folk should start sleeping onsite with axe handles or worse.
  If enough carloads of these ‘teens’ (and these are physically grown men in many case) were killed or seriously injured then this would come right.
  The law unfortunately these days can only exert force on the otherwise law abiding.
  If I opened my gun safe and went to the aid of someone being attacked with a machete across the road I would be in for a world of trouble for both getting involved and ‘disproportionate force’.
  The police seem to just place charges, and let the system decide, rather than letting people use weapons on criminals.
  The government would much prefer you lose a couple of finger, or sit by and let another person lose them.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The POLICE are out of control. Just useless and woke.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear..
Our Dear PM might be cancelling her Waitangi Day Barbecue

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/16/new-zealand-set-to-cancel-jacinda-arderns-waitangi-day-bbq-amid-security-concerns

Now who could she be concerned about?
Which radical fringe groups would be up at Waitangi?
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December 19, 2022 9:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Which radical fringe groups would be up at Waitangi?”
  
  Those pesky Falun Gong.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do I detect a bit of humour? Are you becoming a real Kiwi?
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:41am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      😀
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:16am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Perhaps 🙂 The influence of the Tall Readhead with the ‘look’ and the whisky 🙂
      
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      December 19, 2022 6:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sometimes “the look” is not what you think it is. It is devastating.
        See Tim Allen.
        
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        December 19, 2022 7:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Groundswell.
  That would be fun, tractors and watermelons!
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:39am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  White supremacists, naturally.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  “But the past year has been marked by growing concerns that radical fringe groups are transforming the security environment.”
  
  Well that’s refreshing, The Guardian with a perfect description of Labour and the Maori Party and the amazing work they are doing for the country……
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:19am
  - kowtow
    
    “The past year ”
    
    How many high profile NZ pollies have been insulted , ridiculed , assaulted or made to feel feel very unwelcome there over the many years .
    
    I don’t know why they bother.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:06am
    - NothingLeft
      
      It’s different when it happens to the left. Performative assassinations like egg or dildo throwing (designed to intimidate by saying we can get to you), are all good and funny provided they are done to politicians of the centre right. Otherwise they are a fascist, racist or white supremacist terrorist attack on our very democracy.
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:46am
- Harry Knuts
  
  When will Cindy realise that there is no threat to her. NZ just plain doesn’t like her. It’s her lack of popularity that has caused her to make this decision. Nothing to do with security. BS excuse.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “Radical fringe groups” is basically anyone who disagrees with Ardern. Fact.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:40am
krazykiwi

I hope people have been keeping up with the World Health Organisation’s sustained assault on our sovereignty. The most recent work includes this little revision:

“the implementation of these regulations shall be ~~with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons~~”.

Yes, that bit is proposed for removal, to be replaced with some flannel about “equity, inclusivity, and coherence”
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December 19, 2022 9:38am
Jack5

The run-up to Christmas is a time for politicians to sneak through sensitive news …

And Sunday night is not Kiwiblog’s busiest time, so: did you notice the latest Treaty payouts for Ngai Tahu and Waikato Tainui tribes, announced last week, and brought up by poster Kowtow last night?

Waikato-Tainui and Ngai Tahu have been paid $101.5 million and $96.5 million respectively as top-ups to their original Treaty of Waitangi settlements. The tribes get top-ups every five years under “relativity mechanisms” to their treaty settlements. These began when total treaty settlements topped $1 billion.

The first top-ups were in in 2012,, when Tainui was paid $70m and Ngai Tahu $68.5m.

Top-ups will continue, especially with the big Ngapuhi claim unsettled. Stuff reported in 2018 that onece total Treaty settlement spending throughout reached $1 billion, the two tribes were entitled to payments proportional to other tribes’ settlements. For Tainui, the figure was 17 per cent, valued in 1994 dollars, and for Ngai Tahu, 16 per cent.

In 2018, Waikato-Tainui received $190m and Ngai Tahu $180m – more than they originally settled for in 1995 and 1998, respectively. Top-ups were also paid in 2012.

Treaty Negotiations Minister Little said last week that both tribes are able to receive relativity mechanism adjustment payments every five years to ensure the real value of their settlements remains at 17 percent (Waikato-Tainui) and 16.1 percent (Ngāi Tahu) of total Treaty settlement expenditure.

Former National list MP and Minister Chris Finlayson negotiated the settlement for Ngai Tahu – sometimes called a sweetheart deal – when he was a lawyer, before his political career.
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December 19, 2022 9:48am
- Ghost
  
  How was it snuck through when all the media ran the story? And I think Maggy or a couple people posted about it
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/130785206/latest-waikatotainui-treaty-settlement-payment-takes-iwi-total-to-390-million
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/waikato-tainui-and-ngai-tahu-receive-treaty-relativity-payments/CQIFKVZ3QJEJHM5ZUOLYYTT7W4/
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:52am
  - Jack5
    
    You can count on Ghost to stick up for Ardern’s subsidised media.
    
    Little made the announcement on Friday.
    
    The Herald report was in the afternoon of Friday, according to my report.
    
    No apologies for raising the matter again today. Not much activity on Kiwiblog on Sunday nights.
    
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    December 19, 2022 10:09am
    - Ghost
      
      Really, posting links to the story is sticking up for the media. No, it’s posting the links to the articles.
      
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      December 19, 2022 10:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And I think Maggy or a couple people posted about it
    
    Moi?
    
    That’s news to me…..
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:07am
    - Ghost
      
      It’s skipping me at the moment who posted it, I can’t search yet to see who it was,
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:19am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  Jack5 – If you think Ngapuhi are ever going to get their act together and settle you should read this – Uenuku and Kaharau.
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/ngapuhi/page-3
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So, the Net Taxpayer is funding the Co-Governance Coup via the Govt.
  We are so kind.
  
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  December 19, 2022 11:12am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…..

What likely charge would a dairy-worker face, if fearing-for-their-life, they were to shoot dead a person in their shop who was threatening them with say a machette or something?

Asking for a friend.
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December 19, 2022 10:28am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Fair question Maggie. Here’s my prediction:
  1) Police would have to be seen to be following correct procedure – arrest said dairy worker.
  2) once it reaches court this will play out more in the context of the system has failed to protect so they took their protection into their own hands.
  3) outcome would be minimal to no sentence as in the court of public opinion this was self-defense all along.
  I would liken it similar to the PioPio home invasion case this year – https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/rural-life-other/piopio-home-invasion-farming-father-son-cleared-all-charges#:~:text=Photo%3A%20NZME%20A%20jury%20has%20found%20a%20Piopio,in%20the%20High%20Court%20at%20Hamilton%20this%20afternoon.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:43am
  - David Lenny
    
    The successful outcome for the Piopio father and son was scarcely foreordained.
    
    Without stronger self- and property defence rights, people defending themselves and their homes/shops are likely to spend eighteen months and a lot of money on lawyers waiting for their court date and uncertainly hoping for a sympathetic jury.
    
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    December 19, 2022 1:09pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ask for a jury trial
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:27pm
- Jack5
  
  What happened in a similar case before our MPs took firearms off law-abiding citizens:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gunshop-worker-relieved-to-walk-free-after-shooting/P6JEGWUCUAUMJLPZJ6YFO4BOP4/
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Mr Carvell was not charged with shooting Beckham but with possessing a firearm without lawful, proper or sufficient purpose.”
    What a joke the Police and Justice Dept are. Without lawful, proper or sufficient purpose my left tit. He saved his own life.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:21am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      My partner knows him very well. And his late dad. Used to buy and sell a lot of stuff thru their firearm auctions. A nicer guy you couldn’t meet he reckons.
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:37am
- Raphael
  
  Assuming they could get a gun license (remember they can’t even hint that protection is a reason for wanting one). They may find either a murder charge or manslaughter. (there should very definitely be an investigation to make sure it was a justified shooting)
  
  If the Crown is thinking of the bad PR that would come their way, they would quietly decline to press charges. If they instead try to use it to send a message, things could go very badly for the government in the next elections.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Crown like the power of prosecuting.
    A woman found a snake on Takapuna beach. I think she put it in a box or bag. She rang DOC and told them. I don’t know what happened after that, but DOC were thinking of prosecuting her for cruelty to an animal.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:01am
    - bennerg
      
      There is something severely demented in DOC for this both to be the response on an individual within the organisation, but wider, as subsequently there has been no withdrawal of the stupid response.
      
      New Zealand is attractive to tourists, and the general population for having few if any natural predators that can kill humans (apart from ourselves of course) and to have such a policy, even if only informal, indicates an organisation so out of touch, it should be shut down and restructured.
      
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      December 19, 2022 12:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Hon Poto Williams will be around shortly to have a chat.
        
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        December 19, 2022 5:17pm
  - rouppe
    
    Modified nail gun.
    Electric chainsaw.
    Electric pole pruner saw.
    Sharpened broom stick.
    Spring loaded shivs in the front of the counter.
    
    Tarpaulins out back.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nail gun, do you mean a modified Ramset gun? I have one (not modified.
      It can send a 4mm nail through 10mm steel. Fucking BANG!
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:25am
      - Swifty
        
        Ramset Fastnah, didn’t he bowl for India?
        
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        December 19, 2022 1:05pm
      - rouppe
        
        Yes, but the safety features means it won’t fire unless the tip is pressed against something.
        
        I have no idea how to disable that. If one were of a mind. Which I’m not advocating at all. Of course.
        
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        December 19, 2022 1:44pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @swifty.
        I broke my hand dad did as well.
        
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        December 19, 2022 5:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ rouppe.
        Just a bit of wire fixes that. (not that I have done that) Who would ever do that and make it a lethal weapon?
        
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        December 19, 2022 5:22pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Steve
        
        I don’t know. Might go for a wander down to my local dairy while I think about that
        
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        December 19, 2022 5:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        A 4mm x 100mm nail that will go straight through you?
        There are many steps to the charge you use.
        It is a .22 fire charge.
        
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        December 19, 2022 7:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner recently sold a pair of cased and exquisitely engraved Dueling Pistols from his collection. No FAL required.
    As a party trick, he could shatter watermelons with them at 20 paces.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    December 19, 2022 11:10am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      And the Rapier????
      
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      December 19, 2022 11:48am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      you must’ve done your party trick in some very remote spot rather than Remmers Maggie 🙂 otherwise the AOS would have been on your doorstep aye? 😉
      
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      December 19, 2022 12:11pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Watermelons float. I guess it was done way out the back of Kauau, or more.
        
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        December 19, 2022 5:26pm
    - rouppe
      
      A collector is an endorsement on a firearms licence.
      
      So that’s not true.
      
      https://www.firearmssafetyauthority.govt.nz/tools-application-forms/endorsement
      
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      December 19, 2022 1:53pm
      - Colville
        
        You are wrong.
        
        A “C” endorsement has nothing to do with the status of the particular firearm.
        
        A percussion or flintlock pistol will be NLR as you cannot buy ammunition for them.
        
        A C endorsement allows a collector to display (for instance) firearms with the bolts in the guns rather than stored separately. Also a C holder can own a few “interesting” items!
        
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        December 19, 2022 2:21pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Colville
        
        Did you read the context? Maggie says her partner had a dueling pistol that was used at parties.
        
        Therefore it is a deadly firearm, that works, and clearly ammunition could be prepared for it.
        
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        December 19, 2022 5:25pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Honestly Colville…don’t bother
        
        Poor old rouppe enjoys drinking this governmemts kool-aid soo much he would never ever accept that he might be wrong.
        
        TBH i love rouppe here… but he really doesn’t have a f**king cloo sometimes 😀
        
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        December 19, 2022 6:01pm
      - Colville
        
        rouppe.
        
        I read the context and told you that you were wrong.
        
        About 2 steps from my elbow there are a pair of pistols that are no license reqd but given 15 minutes I could load and fire. (but I wont because that are 210 years old and I like them as they are, unbroken)
        
        I dont have a C endorsement.
        
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        December 19, 2022 6:49pm
      - rouppe
        
        @colville. Listen to yourself.
        
        A percussion or flintlock pistol will be NLR as you cannot buy ammunition for them.
        
        Which says to me that the weapon is not operable. Fine, I’ll take your word on that.
        
        But the next moment you say
        
        About 2 steps from my elbow there are a pair of pistols that are no license reqd but given 15 minutes I could load and fire.
        
        Which is the complete opposite of what you previously said.
        
        Both can’t be true. Perhaps you have a firearms licence. In which case an operable firearm doesn’t require any further endorsement
        
        @Maggie
        Usually a decent into sneering denotes a lack of class. Still no reason to change my thinking
        
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        December 20, 2022 12:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what else can a retailer do? I visited a liquor store recently and the two assistants had fear written on their faces because for all they knew there could have been others behind me. It must be so stressfull for the poor buggers.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:53am
- GJM
  
  THey would prosecute to “let the courts sort it out”. While they would walk free, the $50-100k “fine” for legal costs is punishment in itself, not to mention 2 years of stress. Only the police are alowed to shoot people, including innocent passing courier drivers then proceed to mix up the evidence with no downside.
  
  It goes without saying, your gun license would be gone forever.
  If the police couldn’t prosecute you for shooting the scumbag, they certainly will do you for insecure storage. Ask Greg Carvell what happens when a nut with a machete attacks you and you defend yourself.
  
  This is why honest people need to be wary of Cindy’s Stasi and never trust them. They are not your friends. Video everything and say nothing.
  
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  December 20, 2022 9:26am
Inthe09

Dairy round the corner ram-raided last night. The owner stands behind that till 80 hours a week, has done for the 20 years I’ve lived here and then this happens. The car they used was taken from 800m down the road, so Christmas for both parties now less than what it should have been. I see it doesn’t even rate a mention on any of the MSM sites this morning.
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December 19, 2022 10:31am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Too many to mention now. It’s the new norm. Even the NZ Police have pretty much declared they don’t have the answers.
  
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  December 19, 2022 12:18pm
- Paulus
  
  It is now appearding to be a Racist thing whereby most Dairies business are owned and run by families from India, either recent or long standing – I know my three nearest are one great and caring family. They are academically well versed too ensuring that their children succeed.
  And they work hard all hours to keep their families together and provide the necessities people require.
  Never seen them in Court records.
  And that is why they are targetted by scum who are opposite to them in most of life’s ways.
  Statistically the people from India will shortly out number such as Maori, which does not go down well.
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:28pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    I don’t t know many Indian people but the few I have gotten to know are very hardworking and intelligent.
    
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    December 19, 2022 4:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Glavish has many disciples. Those disciples will have their own disciples.
This is heading in the wrong direction. It is far more dangerous than people know.
The Govt has totally ignored this, as have the NZ media..
Eyes and ears open please.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dame-naida-glavish-warmonger/#comment-519
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Dame-Naida-Glavish-Part-3.pdf
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December 19, 2022 10:44am
krazykiwi

Iran. There are 15,000 protesters held in Iran’s notorious jails.

Last week the Iranian Parliament called for the execution of all 15,000.

According to Ali Fadavi, deputy commander of the Islam Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) the average age of the protesters is 15.

C’mon Jacinda… where’s your your outrage? Perhaps it is hidden under your Hijab? Or does kindness virtue signaling not give you the little rush it once did?
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December 19, 2022 10:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All quiet with Golriz Ghahraman.
  I wonder why?
  
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  December 19, 2022 5:31pm
Colville

I dont agree with much Mr Clarkson says but this time…. despised on a cellular level is about right for what I think of Markle.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/royals/300768578/jeremy-clarkson-condemned-by-his-daughter-over-meghan-markle-column
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December 19, 2022 11:10am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The “shame” comment was a direct reference to Game of Thrones. You would think the “journalists” would know this right?
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:07pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol, that is hilarious! Typical Clarkson stuff. The daughter still doesn’t get that her dad writes stuff for effect and for a laugh. That is a bit disturbing. Of course there’s always the possibility that she has been pretty much forced to say something to retain her job|income etc.
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:20pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Saffy to Clarkson’s Edina springs to mind
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

Whose that W*ANKER filling in for Kerry Woodham on ZB?

He doesn’t let anyone get a word in edgewise!

AND he disagrees with capital punishment 🙁

SHEESH.
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December 19, 2022 11:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Tim Beveridge. IMO, your description describes him to a Tee.
  
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  December 19, 2022 12:00pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  John Campbell?? 😉
  
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  December 19, 2022 12:19pm
Ghost

Just watched a car smash into 3 cars in the supermarket car park. barely missed us.
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December 19, 2022 11:38am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Jesus, ram raiding cars now?
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    It was an elderly driver so either a problem with his car or a medical event
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:32pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  EVs?
  
  He said hopefully.
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:29pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Back in 1914 many people scoffed at the idea of a horseless carriage. A hundred years later people scoffed at EV’s. Luckily there were/are forward looking people that recognize(d) the potential for the new developments.
    
    Merry Christmas everyone or Season’s Greetings to the non-secular visitors of KB!
    
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    December 19, 2022 4:50pm
ClanMcleod

The elephant in the room that nobody in the mainstream media or in government wants to talk about.

The mystery of the surge in deaths from unknown causes that wasn’t, and the studious indifference of German regulators to sustained excess mortality in the era of mass mRNA vaccination

In countries where the relevant data is at least available with a bit of effort it is undeniable that excess all cause mortality is at an alarmingly high level. NZ is one of the “better” countries at making this data almost impossible to get. But it is happening here too.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-mystery-of-the-surge-in-deaths?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=91437801&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

The excuses for this are becoming ever more ridiculous as each day passes. The point of critical mass isn’t far away, when enough people finally realise they were lied to. It could be very ugly.
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December 19, 2022 11:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  One brave MP spoke up in the UK Houses of Parliament. To their eternal shame, most MPs didn’t even bother to be there for his speech.
  
  MP Andrew Bridgen also revealed that “A leading figure in the British Heart Foundation is suppressing evidence that the Covid vaccines cause heart damage”
  
  The real scandal is that those with a responsibility to patients and with scientific integrity – namely, doctors, academic institutions and medical journals – collude with the industry for financial gain. Big Pharma exerts its power by capturing the political environment through lobbying and the knowledge environment through funding university research and influencing medical education, preference shaping through capture of the media, financing think-tanks and so on. In other words, the public relations machinery of Big Pharma excels in subterfuge and engages in smearing and de-platforming those who call out its manipulations.
  
  The whole speech is outstanding, informed and alarming. These jabs should have been stopped within weeks of being rolled out.
  
  https://dailysceptic.org/2022/12/14/leading-figure-in-british-heart-foundation-is-suppressing-evidence-of-vaccine-heart-damage-says-mp/
  
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  December 19, 2022 11:54am
  - kevn
    
    @Clan… I have been having an email discussion with a NZ Chief Economist. He is sceptical of the excess deaths from vaccine induced harm, in spite of 3 different sourced studies/graphs I have sent to him.
    He is hanging his hat on (1) one World In Data graph.
    Funnily enough, I stumbled across his twitter page where he described an email exchange (myself most likely) and described me as an ‘anti vaxxer’.
    Well, as usual with his type, how wrong can he be. In no particular order I have had…
    Hep A and B
    Typhoid
    Yellow Fever
    Rabies
    Polio
    Mumps
    Measles
    Tetanus (booster in 2021)
    but no Pfizer, no Novavax
    BUT I have had C19 Valneva, a true vaccine.
    So this ignorant plonker calls me an ‘anti-vaxxer’.
    I did say I wouldn’t trouble him again and won’t.
    Anyway there is the mindset of some.
    While he is hanging out for ‘the better boosters’…
    Fill ya boots pal.
    
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    December 19, 2022 1:59pm
    - Keith White
      
      I’ve also been called an antivaxxer.
      I’ll see your
      Hep A and B
      Typhoid
      Yellow Fever
      Rabies
      Polio
      Mumps
      Measles
      Tetanus
      ..and raise you Japanese B encephalitis, BCG, diphtheria, pertussis and shingles.
      But apparently unless we worship the clot-shot, we are still antivaxxers.
      
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      December 20, 2022 12:17am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I’ve been quite surprised that our host has never picked up on the increasing evidence and mainstream reporting of these mRNA vaccine induced issues and their overall inefficacy.
    
    Then again it’s probably not that surprising given not one National Party MP ever questioned what happened in NZ with regard to the mandates or the refusal of ACC to acknowledge those harmed by the Pfizer vaccine. I would have thought this would have been fomenting mischief of the most important kind.
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:20pm
70andstilllearning

An amusing little inflationary pressure I’ve observed lately. More and more retailers clipping the ticket with a “pay wave” surcharge – but north of 10% for a ~ 24 hr payment delay – sheeesh!
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December 19, 2022 12:04pm
- MCōs
  
  Don’t use paywave.
  The extra money just goes straight to the bank.
  Remember the good old days when cash was used and the change went to the staff as a tip if it wasn’t a huge amount?
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:44pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, this would be the last person on earth I’d turn to for extra-marital advice…..

‘The merger of TVNZ/RNZ will be a marriage made in Heaven, not Hell’

– Peter Byard Davis (Husband and Chair of The-Helen-Clark-Foundation)
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December 19, 2022 12:43pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Getting desperate are they?
  
  This crapfest which solves a non-existent problem with a metric shit ton of money, and creates a complete mess, is deeply supported by an elderly beard.
  
  Okydokey then. Lets give them $375 million immediately.
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, who sang that song again. Oh yep, Susan Raye.
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Although I see from one of the replies to Peter’s tweet….they appear to have been quite the couple.
  
  https://twitter.com/Wildnfree1984/status/1604607114789675008
  
  Just saying.
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:30pm
Yvette

Māori students are stood down from school as a punishment for bad behaviour almost twice as much as Pākeha students
Official figures show the rate for Māori is almost 5%, compared to 2.5% for Pākeha.
Some experts say the only way to bring that down is for an education system that’s based on Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/12/19/maori-stood-down-from-school-at-rates-twice-that-of-pakeha-students/

Is this part of the tikanga cult takeover agenda
But, Yvette. it only mentions tikanga once and that is Tikanga Pākēha –
“Epistemology that underpins that system is exactly the same today as it was in 1860, it is based on Tikanga Pākēha and while that remains it’s never going to serve Māori students very well,” Wright said.

Yes – well, that may be an example of inverse tikanga cult takeover agenda
it comes in several forms now
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December 19, 2022 12:56pm
- Nickc2
  
  comes in several forms now
  Yep, and if you don’t agree with any of them, you’re a racist. //
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:08pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  When they say they’re stood down for bad behaviour at twice the rate, are they talking about the kids committing bad behaviour are getting stood down at a higher rate (i.e. stand downs per naughty kid) or just against all kids (good ones included) because that’s a pretty big difference?
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:20pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

So, for those thinking that EVs are the way of the future – better get one quick.

Ford’s F150 Lightning EV has jumped 40% in price. No formal explanation forthcoming from Ford, but lithium prices have risen 15 fold in the last 18 months or so. Join the dots.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Fords-Electric-Pickup-Is-15000-More-Expensive-Than-Its-Original-Listing-Price.html
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December 19, 2022 1:19pm
- Raphael
  
  not to mention Ford is telling people to rely on the heated seats and steering wheel to remain warm in the car in Winter rather than using the heater.
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:31pm
Bobba Fret

Does anyone know, have the police even put out a description of the wanted man who is obviously dangerous, and still at large, that chopped off the two fingers of the dairy owner?
If not why not?
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December 19, 2022 1:30pm
- Ghost
  
  Police are asking for anyone with cctv footage and any witnesses to come forward.
  
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  December 19, 2022 1:47pm
  - Colville
    
    One of the four had the red sneakers of the Mob so they know where to start…
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      Press conference coming this afternoon
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/three-burglaries-in-waikato-overnight-inlcuding-ram-raid.html
      
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      December 19, 2022 2:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I contacted CRIMESTOPPERS with a description as soon as the cctv footage appeared on Twitter.
    
    Next thing you know….someone accuses me of engaging in ‘casual-racism’
    
    SHEESH!!
    
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    December 19, 2022 2:39pm
    - Ghost
      
      Sure you didn’t try and report the trick or treaters again?
      
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      December 19, 2022 2:43pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        yup…same response.
        
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        December 19, 2022 2:48pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Young male with hoodie and post-colonial stress disorder.
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:48pm
Taieri

“Epistemology that underpins that system is exactly the same today as it was in 1860, it is based on Tikanga Pākēha and while that remains it’s never going to serve Māori students very well,” Wright said.
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What a fu..ing patronising and racist drivel. And coming from someone named Rawiri at that…
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December 19, 2022 1:38pm
- Yvette
  
  And coming from someone named Rawiri at that…
  Or Wright, at that …
  
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  December 19, 2022 2:05pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Vote him out. Come on Tauranga and surrounds. You’ve got an 8k surplus on the regular roll. Only 900 needed to remove Rawiri from his seat in the same area.
  
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  December 19, 2022 3:55pm
krazykiwi

New Zealand consumer confidence falls to lowest point on record – Westpac.

Yes, Ardern, the buck stops with you.
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December 19, 2022 2:32pm
mogg

Here’s an interesting thought for Christmas.
Just when I thought things couldn’t be any worse.
Jacinda is desperate to be a 3rd term PM, if she is it will mean a new government with both Green and Māori Party ministers.
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December 19, 2022 3:02pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Yes, the Racist Party will be the kingmaker in 2023.
  
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  December 19, 2022 9:12pm
Ghost

More kids arrested. Believed ten were involved. Bloody hell, reports the police were fired on

Four youths have been arrested following a home invasion, a series of commercial burglaries, and an incident in which shots were fired at police in the Waikato District early this morning.

One person was injured during the home invasion and the occupants are “understandably shaken”, say police.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-youths-arrested-after-waikato-home-invasion-burglary-spree/GOLLZDAIAFHD3M5LZD2RGXW7ZE/
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December 19, 2022 3:13pm
- Sparrow
  
  Has the police minister responded to any of this ?
  
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  December 19, 2022 4:01pm
- Ohm my
  
  What happens with these guys? Are they given ‘wrap around’ support and let out on bail, or thrown in the clink till a court case eventually occurs?
  I read recently that the Sandringham dairy worker killer was out on bail after robbing another dairy – not sure if true but I wouldn’t be surprised.
  
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  December 19, 2022 5:15pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300769060/ashley-bloomfield-appointed-university-of-auckland-professor
I guess it was inevitable that he would stay firmly attached to the Public Tit.
No responsibility, no faults, no accountability….
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December 19, 2022 3:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep, I was wondering where he was going after the lies he has told.
  Wonder what his salary will be now?
  
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  December 19, 2022 5:35pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Would you like me to look that up for you, or can you do your own research?
    
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    December 19, 2022 6:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nah Mike, you have done it, and thanks.
      Good boy.
      
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      December 19, 2022 7:51pm
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO…. Probably halved in salary but the forced rat swallowing should cease.
    
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    December 19, 2022 7:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He tosses the rats to you know where.
      Not saying where, but you know where kevn
      
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      December 19, 2022 7:53pm
- Taieri
  
  Professor without PhD. Only in Public Health…
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:30pm
Surely Knott

It’s been a rough few years for those “following the science” unquestioningly.

Signs of manipulation in the most cited alzheimers research, as photos linking alzheimers to a protein appear to have been doctored.

Then there is depression. “that the chemical imbalance theory of depression led to a significant increase in the use of antidepressants. Prescriptions have risen dramatically since the 1990s, with 1 in 6 adults in England and 2% of teenagers now being prescribed an antidepressant in a given year. The new research, however, suggests that the use of SSRIs may not be grounded in scientific evidence.” “According to the study, research that compared levels of serotonin and its breakdown products in the blood or brain fluids did not find a difference between individuals diagnosed with depression and health control participants.”

And then there is Covid came from a wet market. And the covid vaccine…
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December 19, 2022 3:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am depressed just by reading that.
  Going for a lay down – no cup of tea.
  
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  December 19, 2022 5:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I don’t know anything about your first and third examples, as you provide nothing to consider.
  Re SSRIs, evidence (as in data collected by actual scientists) has been accumulating for some time that these are not the magical cure-all that they seemed when Prozac first hit the market. SSRIs are an improvement on their most common predecessors, but they are by no means a ‘cure’ for depression, which is a catch-all terms for a wide range of conditions.
  
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  December 19, 2022 6:27pm
Ghost

So already had an ankle bracelet on……. Can we take this to mean Jacinda that your wrap around hug support is useless and not a deterrent.

And let’s admit it kid, you are only sorry your got caught

A 14-year-old boy has admitted cutting off his electronic monitoring bracelet and committing a major crime spree across Christchurch, including stealing cars, assaulting other young people and burglaries.

The boy admitted 86 charges in total, the most recent of which were heard at the Christchurch Youth Court last Thursday, when he also agreed to apologise to all of his victims.

His charges included assaul with intent to injure, unlawfully taking a motor vehicle, aggravated robbery and theft.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130808435/teenager-behind-weeklong-crime-spree-says-he-is-sorry
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December 19, 2022 5:37pm
- Jack5
  
  The youth-gang mayhem of murder, robbery, and now shooting at police likely stems from the ban on even moderate, disciplinary smacking of children.
  
  The little gangsters have never known discipline.
  
  John Key, you did NZ wrong by refusing to implement the referendum in which nearly 90 per cent of voters wanted anti-smacking law overturned. About 54 per cent of eligible voters took part.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2776567/Smacking-referendum-No-vote-wins
  
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  December 19, 2022 5:45pm
  - Jack5
    
    Parents in two-job families, solo parents, and parents with many children, seldom have time for the lecture-type discipline of kids without, as a final resort. a quick, mild smack, or the threat of this.
    
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    December 19, 2022 5:57pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Should smacking only be considered an assault if the infant or child has a full-time home parent with another parent in full-time work?
      
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      December 19, 2022 6:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You are in contention for today’s award for monocausal explanation.
    
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    December 19, 2022 6:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      Milky, that’s a lot of monocock, even for you.
      
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      December 19, 2022 8:38pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Feel free to mention other ways in which any parent can provide effective discipline without resorting to a traditional ‘right’ to smack them over.
        
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        December 19, 2022 9:00pm
- greybeard
  
  Give the little bastard 6 of the best with a cane.
  End of problems.
  
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  December 19, 2022 6:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Then along comes the person responsible – Sue Bradford.
    Fatherless home? Probably, no respect.
    
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    December 19, 2022 7:24pm
- krazykiwi
  
  So much energy, these enterprising young criminals.
  
  Hard labour seems both feasible and reasonable.
  
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  December 19, 2022 7:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bully!
    
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    December 19, 2022 7:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  But he is a good boy.
  He has to be good when at home, else he will get da jandal!
  
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  December 19, 2022 7:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ankle bracelet is an engagement thing.
  Get back in the loop and find a new ring. And so it goes on. More spawn to beat up and go to jail bro.
  That is the lifestyle – and it is sad
  
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  December 19, 2022 7:58pm
Ghost

Police are responding to an emergency incident in Massey, West Auckland tonight.

The Herald understands the event has occurred on Royal Road.

A man has posted on social media saying he saw a man running around with no top on while he was parked at traffic lights.

“Yelled something about someone with a knife, and stabbing someone. I couldn’t see anything just him running back to his van to grab a big wrench.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-responding-to-emergency-incident-in-massey-west-auckland-report-of-firearm/U2SKV2OPCZDRDNDFPJ3Q2F3U5E/
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December 19, 2022 6:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Updated
  
  Armed police are responding to a sudden death in Massey, West Auckland tonight.
  
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  December 19, 2022 7:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yip….we’re locked & loaded over our way 😎
    
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    December 19, 2022 7:28pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My 900mm x 20mm curtain rod is above my front door.
      
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      December 19, 2022 7:30pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        My partner was wondering what you’re waiting for ….someone to drape your missus? 😛
        
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        December 19, 2022 7:44pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Just for self defence.
        20mm S/S rod can be just as effective as a machete.
        
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        December 20, 2022 10:08am
  - Ghost
    
    Update. Reported that a man stabbed the woman.
    
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    December 19, 2022 9:20pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A mostly peaceful surge in violent crime in NZ
  
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  December 19, 2022 7:59pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  So the man had to go and grab a big wrench.
  I will wager good money that when he cuddles his partner he grabs a big wench.
  
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  December 19, 2022 10:06pm
Ghost

Pays to be a criminal, you can get away with it now

He stole from his boss 98 times but was charged with only a single offence.

Now the former liquor store duty manager has avoided conviction and being named for several reasons, including that revealing his identity would harm his chances of getting another job.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/liquor-store-worker-stole-from-his-boss-98-times-but-future-employers-will-never-know-about-it/IR32LSEIMJC6ZJELMYZNAIUCSQ/
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December 19, 2022 7:59pm
- alex Masterley
  
  and people wonder why respect for the courts is at an all time low…
  
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  December 20, 2022 7:16am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Mainly due to the poor conduct of, and bad services provided by members of the legal profession overall, I should think.
    
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    December 20, 2022 7:21am
surfing

Journalists are rubbish. I want to see the success rate of wrap around services.

In my gut these sound like a hand wringing exercise only, where they tell. Jolene offenders they are not responsible for their actions because of A B and C.
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- mikenmildagain
  
  Have you thought of researching this topic yourself?
  
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  December 19, 2022 8:11pm
Ghost

A much needed positive story

Seven pupils from Hauroko Valley School and Thornbury Primary School have been recognised for their team work and quick thinking which helped save the life of a 6-year-old boy.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/130804207/seven-heroic-kids-help-save-young-boys-life-at-southland-pool
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