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mikenmildagain

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Gosh, has 45 years really passed since the fuss over the mild liberalisation represented by the Contraception, Sterilisation and Abortion Act 1977?
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December 16, 2022 8:00am
- mandk
  
  Yes, and just think how many babies have been killed since then.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:12am
- Local Miller
  
  Any idea how many babies have been liberated (AKA murdered) in the past 45 years?
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:21am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    That would be zero.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      As Mike says the fetus has been terminated sounds much nicer to the utilitarian mind.
      As the Covid response has shown us there’s a large percentage of the population who would jump on the NAZI or Stalinist boat in a heartbeat given the right framing, or even without it.
      
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      December 16, 2022 8:59am
      - General
        
        There is so many of them unfortunately. The same types who support brainwashing children with climate hysteria, gender confusion and forcing a culture onto everyone interested or not at immense cost to the majority financially and in educational utility who must appease a small group of racists with no debate allowed. They take their fractional percentage of and ignore the rest of their makeup as the former affords one a cushy lifestyle on the backs of others hard work alongside their enablers. Inversion of the truth and pretending away the destructive outcomes of that seems to be a very appealing ideology the last decade or so to the foolish majority.
        
        Thankfully it self corrects eventually when reality starts to burn a hole in these assholes pockets and they start walking back to collect the change that’s left after having cash thrown at them like a bunch of whores happy to dance to whatever tune keeps those $ bills flowing. They won’t spend it wisely and they acquired it through subversion and manipulation. At least an actual whore doesn’t delude themselves or others nearly as much about what is taking place. Grant is an economic pimp and the lack of true criticism by the opposition leads me to believe they don’t truly understand what this dangerous and clueless narcissist can inflict in 6 years with a few exceptions I suppose. [Mod – no need for that]
        
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        December 16, 2022 9:58am
      - DenisPurdy
        
        As deeply as it pains me to agree with Mike, he is in fact correct on this subject. Abortion is not murder and never will be. Aborting a fetus is not murder for the same reason that turning off the life support of a brain dead person’s body isn’t.
        
        It is not murder because there is no sentient person inhabiting that biological entity in both cases. In a fetus, sentience will come later if it progresses but at under 20 weeks it is definitely not present yet. When the medics turn off the life support of someone brain-dead it isn’t murder because while the body has been living on, the person that once inhabited that body is already dead and gone.
        
        To place the needs and rights of a living breathing fully sentient woman behind those something that has no thoughts, beliefs, memories, fears or hopes is just cruelty – cruelty sanctioned by religious superstition and dogma as it so often is.
        
        Anyway Mike may be generally a pathetic lefty tosser, but this happens to one area where people of left are broadly right and many on the right are hopelessly wrong.
        
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        December 16, 2022 3:49pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Denis, you could not be more wrong. There is now so much medical scientific evidence to contradict your statement.
        
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        December 16, 2022 7:39pm
    - rouppe
      
      Legally…
      
      If a human being were birthed, and immediately killed, it would be murder.
      
      If that same human being were killed a day before birth, most [Mod – no need for that] would still call that murder.
      
      What of a week before birth? Or a month?
      
      So the question becomes, at what point is that foetus determined to be a human being? The law says “when not viable outside the womb” at around 22 weeks.
      
      But that unviable foetus has a beating heart, eyes, arms and legs. So that nominated time of 22 weeks is just so that people like mikenmild can close their eyes and ignore reality.
      
      This isn’t too say I’m anti abortion. It’s to say just step up and own what you’re doing.
      
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      December 16, 2022 12:20pm
      - DenisPurdy
        
        Please see my response to Matt Long. Your 22 week old fetus may have a beating heart, eyes, arms and legs but it isn’t a sentient person in that it does not have consciousness, self awareness, ability to remember etc.
        
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        December 16, 2022 3:54pm
      - Scott
        
        Dennis Purdy – how do you know this. This consciousness thing that you so blithely tell us about? How can you possibly know this?
        Unfortunately our current abortion laws are worse than this. After 22 weeks one abortion doctor consults with another abortion doctor and if they agree it is clinically appropriate then abortion can take place. At any time up until birth. Abortion is out of the crimes act. So the unborn child is not a person under the law. They have no protection under the law.
        Let that sink in before you lecture us about “cruelty”.
        
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        December 16, 2022 5:03pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        A sentient being has brain activity. A brain dead person does not. Unborn babies have brain activity from 6 days. Because they cannot yet express their thoughts, they have as much activity as a new born baby. So now, until a baby can prove it is sentient, it is not a human being and can be disposed of at will.
        
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        December 16, 2022 7:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        There isn’t brain activity at 6 days
        
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        December 16, 2022 8:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    Imho the best reaction to the troll is simply a downtick and move on.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:43am
  - Rusty
    
    @ Local Miller
    
    Abortion and Euthanasia are two topics that make me uncomfortable to discuss.
    
    btw- I’m pro-life
    
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    December 16, 2022 9:32am
    - mandk
      
      They are uncomfortable issues to discuss, but they need to be addressed.
      
      If not, you get the debate dominated by idiotic pro-death arguments, such as two I saw at the March for Life in Wellington the other week.
      
      One pro-death protester had a sign saying: “Pregnancy can kill, but abortion saves lives”.
      
      Another said: “Don’t like abortion? That’s OK, don’t have one”
      
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      December 16, 2022 10:38am
  - mandk
    
    About 500,000.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:33am
    - suzieq
      
      Good. Plainly children that weren’t wanted ..
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:38am
      - mandk
        
        Unique, living human beings killed.
        
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        December 16, 2022 2:17pm
- Scott
  
  I don’t have any official figures about the total number of abortions in New Zealand since 1977. I think family first would have that information? But based on a rough calculation of 13,000 abortions per year over 45 years equals 585,000 abortions since 1977. It may be that figure is a little conservative bearing in mind I do remember abortions peaking at about 18,000 during some years?
  However you calculate it, that’s around half a million New Zealanders that will never see the light of day.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:44am
  - G152
    
    Did you count those women who went to Aussie for their abortions.
    Late 60s as I recall
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:46am
    - Scott
      
      G152- good point. I did not think of that.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:44am
  - Scott
    
    To give some context, 500,000 abortions since 1977 is more than the total population today of Dunedin plus Hamilton plus Tauranga plus Masterton. That’s a lot of people.
    
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    December 16, 2022 1:22pm
- burt
  
  Gosh, has 62 years really passed since we had a Labour government that didn’t end in recession?
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:35am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    I have been following NZ politics for 6 decades. In that time I have concluded that as a group politicans cannot be trusted. The latest example is that Labour did not campaign on 3 Waters or He Puapua at the 2020 election even though they knew they were going to implement both.
    So they knowingly and deliberately deceived the voters. Now if they were a commercial entity the Commerce Commission would have come down on them like a ton of bricks.
    Now I know there will be the arguement that requiring pollies to include everything they plan on implementing in their manifesto will be met with ‘oh but what about events that occur subsquently”. Yes I agree but there should be a better process than we have now. Two of the basic principles of good governance are Disclosure and Transparency. These are expected in all types of organisation. As Government is the leading governance organisation it should setting the example and be above reproach if it wants to have any credibility and command any respect.
    For me Governments dont have any credibility or have my respect for the reason I have set out above.
    Does it matter. To them probably not but then that just sums up their collective dysfunctional mentality.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:02am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      lastmanstanding – Add income protection insurance to that
      
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      December 16, 2022 10:29am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    How many years is it since that unsolved terrorist murder that still gets your goat, burt? 41 years, and the scumbag could still be proud of himself.
    
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    December 16, 2022 6:34pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Abortion stops a beating human heart.
  
  No quantity of tortured liberal semantics can change this.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:21am
  - Its only I
    
    Don’t make one then, simple.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:24am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Abortion is simply legalised murder of the most innocent and defenseless in our society.
      Those who advocate abortion should be thankful that their mother’s didn’t have one.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:38am
      - Its only I
        
        Each to their own, surly?
        
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        December 16, 2022 12:44pm
      - rouppe
        
        Each to their own?
        
        Apply that argument to Tarrant
        
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        December 16, 2022 2:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Gosh, remember how Jaxxie locked down the country to save 50,000 kiwis?
  
  Turns out that some kiwis are more important than others.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:57am
dave_c_

It’s just dawned on me, why it is commonplace for those in power (for example NZ politicians) to use the term ‘You Know’, when answering difficult questions.
It is easy to see that when providing a ‘truthful answer’, the term ‘You Know’ is never used, as opposed to a question that the politician either cannot answer truthfully, or does not know how to answer, the ‘You Know’ phrase is used a lot.

Robertson did this again this morning on News Talk ZB.
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December 16, 2022 8:01am
- James Stephenson
  
  IMO it’s a patronising little “tell” that the speaker considers themself above actually having to answer that question.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:07am
- Pavel
  
  A well known tactic used by police while questioning people is to watch their eyes. When asked a question, if the person looks up before answering they are lying, if they look down they are genuinely trying to recall information. When pressed with a hard question Jacindas eyes tend to go one way more often than the other.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:17am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I think hers swivel independently.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:22am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes – a real chameleon – changes her story to suit the current Marxist/WEF narrative.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:40am
- Inandout
  
  dave, I listened to that verbal diatribe by Robbo. He just goes around in circles, one second praising the 2% growth, the next saying it may be too soon to welcome it. Personally, I consider the 2% a fudged figure, much like our ‘low unemployment’ which hides our huge number of so called work seekers.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:21am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  It’s not as prevalent as the non sequitir “Aww look”that all our politicians use as a transition word to start their responses to questions.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:35am
- infused
  
  Generally it’s to give some thinking time to an answer.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:38am
- Gerrit
  
  Makes a change from the previously overused word to start a lie. “Look” must be out of favour.
  
  Robertson always used to start an answer with “look”. Must be election year coming up and a change of answer introduction that makes the questioner out to be a dumb-ass.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:48am
- Local Miller
  
  Two things. One is what those actually trained in the public speaking refer to as space fillers, similar to “Ums” and “aahs”, giving someone time to think about what they want to say. Especially used when people need to make up a lie. A good public speaker knows not to use them, if you need time to think, just be quite for a second.
  The other has an element of “I shouldn’t have to explain this to you, are you some sort of idiot?” It’s an attempt to make the interviewer look stupid, and allows the politician to give a glib, often meaningless answer on the basis that “you know, so why should I explain”.
  Among things like “hence why”, “literally” used for no reason, “let me put it to you this way”, and a myriad other meaningless things people throw into their speaking, “you know” has become one of the most common recently.
  I often break in with “No, I don’t know, please explain.”
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:49am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Remember – ‘as I have said and explained before…….”
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:25am
  - david
    
    “What I can tell you is this ……”
    
    ie. I know more but you are not sufficiently important/ qualified/ intelligent/interested to hear the REAL facts.
    
    In reality, stfu and listen to the load of flannel that I am going to dump on you because the truth is something I do not want you to hear because it would damage me politically.
    
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    December 16, 2022 2:37pm
    - Scooter
      
      Or Ardern’s favourite “keep in mind”, just say what you need to without the proviso at the start.
      
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      December 16, 2022 8:13pm
- rouppe
  
  Like “it’s always been the case that…”
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:42pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The phrase du jour is ‘That’s a great question”.
  
  When you hear that, you know the questionee has received media coaching.
  
  Prepare yourself for blather following.
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:48pm
Mike H S

I suggest we all read this article and send the Mayor of Kaipara messages of support.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Craig-Preston-Mayor-part-3-3.pdf
As usual, it has not been reported accurately in msm. The more support he gets from the country the more likely he will continue to push back against this BS.
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December 16, 2022 8:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don Brash’s opinion on karakia at formal council meetings:
  
  But the mayor was absolutely right, and I have long been mystified by the willingness of councils to tolerate the intrusion of Maori customs into formal council meetings.
  
  I recently attended the first meeting of a district council following the recent local body elections. Male councillors were seated in the front row; female councillors in the row behind. The meeting began with a karakia and several rather lengthy speeches in the Maori language. No translation was provided. Very few, if any, of the councillors understood what was being said.
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-i-admire-craig-jepson
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:11am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    And the Roman Catholic church should definitely restore the Latin mass.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:41am
    - Keith White
      
      Oh, get over yourself.
      
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      December 16, 2022 9:23am
    - alloytoo
      
      Your point is well made.
      
      Karakia is like Latin mass conducted by a snobbish elite in a language not understood by the majority.
      
      Perhaps Iwi need a reformation…. somebody to march up to a Marae and nail a Karakia in English to the door.
      
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      December 16, 2022 9:38am
      - Jack5
        
        Alloytoo 1, Milky 0.
        
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        December 16, 2022 11:52am
  - Simon
    
    no karakia produces an angry mob. You know that this Maori mumbo jumbo aint gonna make it. No tolerance.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:44am
    - Jack5
      
      Just watch what’s happening in the health system, Simon.
      
      Not only is it being reforged on a race basis, but with rongoa (Maori traditional treatment) participation and legislation over pharmaceuticals:
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-rongoā-workstream-announced-alongside-therapeutic-products-bill
      
      AND, the bill itself:
      
      https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2022/0204/latest/DLM6914502.html?src=qs
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:56am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    On a similar vein, why do we have bilingual signage in this country when there is not a single monolingual speaker of Te Reo alive?
    
    – A sense of “kiwi fair play”?
    – A desire to “right the wrongs of yesteryear”?
    – Social engineering (towards what goal)?
    – A desire to change public attitude? (where is the mandate?)
    
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    December 16, 2022 9:11am
    - alloytoo
      
      More importantly why are many government agencies “Headlined” with their Maori name?
      
      Strikes me as an attempt to deny access to government services to non-Maori speakers.
      
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      December 16, 2022 10:16am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Even a native speaker of Te Reo would not understand the synthetic Maori-noun terminology created by Wellington.
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:28am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Done.
  
  For anyone wondering what the email address is:
  
  mayor@kaipara.govt.nz
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:15am
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    Thank you. I have emailed him to advise that chairing meetings inevitably involves tact, especially in a political environment. A good chairperson would not impose meeting protocols unilaterally.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:43am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      A good chairperson would explain that New Zealand is secular society and if folk want to pray to imaginary sky gods, they can do it at home.
      
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      December 16, 2022 8:49am
      - General
        
        I agree with keeping this out of these meetings 100 % but you fell for the Covid hysteria initially and for some length of time. Patron of the big pharma gods BY. I’d lose the arrogance when your discernment is lacking. (I’m agnostic just to clarify) I think you’re foolish for that but you were able to figure it out eventually so fair play, most don’t believe in sky inhabiting entities I assume, it’s a little more nuanced than that.
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:18am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I’m a Christian, and your view on prayer in a public context is spot on. No person should be forced to observe or submit to the religious practices of another. I have prayed directly for people in the past, but will only ever do so with their permission.
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:29am
      - bjools
        
        I am an atheist.
        I have a sneaking admiration for people of faith, but do NOT share it.
        So the good book says (and I believe it to be a good book)
        Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 “For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven…”
        Churches and Marae are the place, not council meetings.
        
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        December 16, 2022 11:32am
      - bjools
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4
        
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        December 16, 2022 11:37am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Chairing meetings involves chairing meetings. I’ve done it. Tact doesn’t come into it, otherwise meetings get hijacked by morons muttering inanities. Like in this case.
      
      It’s his job as Mayor. You do comprehend what protocols are and why they exist don’t you?
      
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      December 16, 2022 8:50am
      - john1234
        
        It’s nuts, isn’t it? There would be far more Christians, far more Jews, far more Muslims, far more Sikhs, Hindus and probably even Buddhists and Rastafarians than there are that believe in Maori mythology. Do they expect to stand up and subject others to their beliefs at council meetings? No. So why should the stone aged mythology get special preference?
        
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        December 16, 2022 8:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        3 were supposed to speak, but Maori hijacked it and 10 spoke.
        This is the sort of shit that has to be stopped.
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:10am
    - David Lenny
      
      A good chairperson would not impose meeting protocols unilaterally.
      
      One might hope the same from a newly elected councillor.
      
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      December 16, 2022 8:57am
    - Local Miller
      
      Tell that to the Duck who unilaterally ruled that the name of Jesus couldn’t be used in opening prayers in Parliament!
      Not a lot of tact there, but that’s ok, it was only the Christians, and it’s ok to discriminate against them, after all they’ll just turn the other cheek.
      Can’t upset the Maori however as they get belligerent and start causing trouble.
      
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      December 16, 2022 9:01am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Mallard foolishly tried to compromise, and of course pleased no one. He could have proposed a secular daily opening statement and have the business committee or whatever, or the whole parliament, debate it and vote.
        
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        December 16, 2022 6:38pm
    - Opie
      
      He actually offered a sensible solution, where each of the groups got a chance to open the meetings during the year according to their culture be it Christian, Maori, chicken, whatever. You know, true inclusive diverse culture with equal rights and respect like hilow thus country used to be 3 or 4 years ago.
      
      But no, that’s not good enough for the maoris. It’s their way or you are racist.
      
      They put the compulsory Maori method to a vote and it lost. I guess they just need more unelected maoris on the council with voting rights so we get the correct outcome.
      
      Most hard working kiwis are sick of this shit. Many are too scared to say anything about it.
      
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      December 16, 2022 9:47am
    - Clyde
      
      I’m sure the Mayor of Kaipara will have deleted your email as soon as it came in. The best thing to do. I sometimes wonder what trolls like you actually do for a living but I assume you get paid or get your jollies off by being a Liemore Pardy employee or “volunteer”. You must be a sad little person.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:20am
    - Jack5
      
      Milky’s A good chairperson would not impose meeting protocols unilaterally.
      
      You’re greatly over-generalising, Milky. Often there are established protocols (for example, company general meetings), and always a firm and confident chairman or chairwoman contributes to a productive meeting.
      
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      December 16, 2022 12:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes Jack, Kiwiblog commenters almost never make sweeping statements. Sorry.
        
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        December 16, 2022 6:43pm
    - rouppe
      
      Marae meeting protocols are imposed pretty unilaterally.
      
      In fact, Pera Paniora wouldn’t be allowed to open any marae meeting
      
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      December 16, 2022 2:54pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Likewise. He permits karakia on a rotating basis just before meetings but not in them. This is both sensitive, and wise.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Already emailed on Wednesday.
  I am on Julian Batchelor’s mailing list for Stop Co-Governance. You will not see these writings in the MSM.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:08am
- Unity
  
  I do hope he remains strong and gets enough support to encourage him to continue. I have long despaired that Politicians and Councillors wouldn’t push back against the Maorification that is taking over our once lovely little country. You could almost say that a coup is taking place at the moment.
  
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  December 16, 2022 3:42pm
O C Smith

2000 odd years of inflation 30 pieces of silver …… $us150m
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December 16, 2022 8:09am
Maggy Wassilieff

Strange how all the information about folks associated with Waikato-Tainui and dodgy contracts gets released as Parliament winds down.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/the-1-59m-covid-19-vaccine-campaign-that-happened-after-almost-everyone-was-vaccinated.html
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December 16, 2022 8:18am
- CJames
  
  I wonder if Inland Revenue ever do an audit to see if the recipients of all the money actually declared the income and paid tax on it. They were individuals not companies I note. The answer to that could be quite enlightening.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:28am
  - artemisia
    
    http://www.ird.govt.nz/managing-my-tax/tax-crime/tell-us-about-evasion-or-fraud/report-anonymously-ir873
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:36am
- Paulus
  
  Why let it out when Parliament is sitting – more questions could be asked.
  But of course the so called media have known for some time appparently but the are paid to keep schtum.
  No Consequences, the story of our time.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Warning, it is the lying Baker and Plank.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:17am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  That story is really a scandal about waste, lack of planning, lack of targets or measures of success, and ultimately fertile ground for corruption.
  It is indicative of what can be expected with the seperate Maori health authority – for Maori and by Maori. A lot of money by the trailer load and plenty of grasping hands, but without any material improved outcome beyond feelz for ethnic-nationalists and nice cars for the elite.
  
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  December 16, 2022 1:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Separate Maori health authority, paid by the other 83% who are non-Maori.
    Yeah rite! That will work perfectly. 17% pay their own way? That is well thought out.
    
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    December 16, 2022 4:23pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      I posted a comment 8.05am asking when the Iwi “charities” would might pay their share……..the mod disappeared it
      
      [Mod – I have checked spam and trash and there is no comment from you in either so no idea what’s happened]
      
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      December 16, 2022 7:29pm
Lipo

If GDP is running at 2% and inflation is running at 10% does that mean we are all getting poorer or richer?
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December 16, 2022 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Poorer. Those no good with numbers would say richer! (Labour Party)
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:19am
- GBC
  
  We’re getting poorer and the Govt richer through the increased GST tax take
  
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  December 16, 2022 11:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No no no no no! Inflation GST Tax is the same as the Tax on an item before it was inflated. That is how the stupid bastards think!
    
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    December 16, 2022 4:26pm
fernglas

The unspoken tragedy of the Covid response is the effect on a generation of children. Those who had the least to lose from the virus were made to lose the most by short-sighted and poorly informed policy making by a bunch of terrified adults. The economic burden, disruption to education and and social consequences of those policies will be carried a long way into the future, and for what? When society is prepared to wreck the futures of its children to save a couple of years of life for the old and infirm, it has failed to carry out its most fundamental responsibility
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/12/14/fourteen-year-old-jack-watson-says-the-only-lesson-he-learned-during-the-pandemic-was-the-rules-dont-apply-to-those-who-make-them/
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December 16, 2022 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From the link:
  “a child would have done a better job of being in control.”
  A child was in control.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:25am
Tony Stuart

For a couple who left the UK and moved to the USA to get some privacy, Harry and Meghan certainly seem to love the limelight.

Anyway, I’ll do my bit to respect their desire for privacy by not going anywhere near Harry’s book when it comes out in the New Year.
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December 16, 2022 8:25am
- infused
  
  I think both sides are just as bad as each other.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:38am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  I think they have got your attention enough for now, Tony.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:43am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Just effin grow up Mike… why so personal and bitter all the bloody time? It is tedious seeing you empty comments, when we know you can actual present an intelligent counter argument…
    
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    December 16, 2022 12:56pm
- alloytoo
  
  I think the plan is to milk the royality starved Americans until such time as they realize he’s just the spare.
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:42am
- leoj
  
  Like Charles, I am certain that Harry sits down to pee.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:11am
- cas
  
  Having successfully participated in turn Ardern, I might do the same things to Harry’s book unless the picture on the back is as bad as the one on the front.
  
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  December 16, 2022 11:57am
- MCōs
  
  I would suggest there’s no privacy for anyone that close to the top of the heap in the British Royal Family.
  Harry is #5 in line to the throne after all.
  
  I can’t for the the life of me understand why we still cling to these people to supply our Head of State?
  
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  December 16, 2022 12:36pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Hey Harry, who’s ya daddy then?
    
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    December 16, 2022 12:42pm
  - Jack5
    
    Picking local alternatives would be, and will be, contentious, MCos.
    
    President Bolger? President Mahuta? President (Helen) Clark?
    
    At the moment, it seems to me, we have the best of both worlds. Aside from the Governor-General, we have a sort of shadow head of state: on the other side of the world, costing NZ taxpayers bugger all, and really a symbol.
    
    It allows us to keep the advantage of a shallow government system: one house of Parliament, no federal states, no presidential superstructure.
    
    Constitutional monarchies are renown for their stabililty, and we have evolved a super-form: a constitutional monarchy with a shadow monarch.
    
    Who gives a rat’s arse that the current Governor-General comes from the NZ Royal Society, under her defenestrated of its Western scientific culture and rationale and Maorified?
    
    But if she had been made “President of Aotearoa” …
    
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    December 16, 2022 12:53pm
    - Mike
      
      Why would a president chosen by the parliament be any less effective than a governors-general?
      
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      December 16, 2022 4:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mike/Mikenmild/Milky (spelling out the pseudonyms for anyone new to Kiwiblog):
        
        Re the comparative effectiveness as Governor-General v. President of him/her/they (and there would be some appointments on Woke grounds).
        
        How could we ensure a president would be as powerless, meek, ineffective and as cheap for taxpayers as a governor-general and a free, absentee monarch?
        
        That’s the point. We want power left in Parliament.
        
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        December 16, 2022 5:00pm
- Unity
  
  I used to blame Meghan and she still has a lot to answer for but it seems Harry is just as bad or perhaps he’s weak and has been influenced by her. Piers Morgan was so right about them both.
  
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  December 16, 2022 3:44pm
Gravelroad

@ MW-
“No translation was provided. Very few, if any, of the councillors understood what was being said.”
But that’s not the point, is it.
The elites don’t care if people don’t understand what is being said.
It’s just a show of strength and a chance to put elected councillors in their place. It’s not inclusive or life changing.
Not like the world class Maori leaders of the past who worked hard to encourage their people to learn English so that they could participate equally in the governance of the times.
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December 16, 2022 8:25am
- JJ56
  
  It is of course why Latin was the language of the priesthood.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:31am
  - Don Beckett
    
    No, originally when Latin was used, most people spoke Latin. It goes back to the 4th. century when Rome was the dominant world power, and most people were multi-lingual.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:34am
    - Jack5
      
      Don B’s correct. Latin was far, far more than a church language.
      
      It’s ghost exists in English, but more so in non-Germanic languages such as French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Romanian.
      
      English is the dominant lingua franca of the world, and Spanish, Portuguese, French are spoken by about a billion people (Spanish about 580 million, French about 270 million, and Portuguese 210 million). Latin’s heritage is big.
      
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      December 16, 2022 12:09pm
      - cmm
        
        It gets whacky when you get closer to home…
        
        In the Southern Hemisphere, Portuguese is spoken the most as a first language (Brazil, Angola and Mozambique) followed by Spanish (Chile, Argentina etc) and then English (mainly Oz and NZ).
        
        But as a lingua franca, yes, English still wins.
        
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        December 16, 2022 4:45pm
    - JJ56
      
      By the 9th or 10th century vulgar Latin was what was predominantly spoken by the hoi polloi and not written. So the romance languages emerged from them and with that the division between them and medieval Latin that had become the lingua franca of the elites of the Holy Roman empire.
      
      Which is where I came in.
      
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      December 16, 2022 5:55pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Latin was relatively common right up to the 19th. century – our medical and botanical terms & names are mainly latin, with a bit of greek.
        When William Wallace (Braveheart) was being hung drawn & quartered by King Edward Longshanks in the 13th, century, Wallace was praying the psalms – in Latin.
        
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        December 16, 2022 7:52pm
      - JJ56
        
        Don B
        
        I fear that in the context of this thread, that is a non sequitur.
        
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        December 16, 2022 8:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  To which I would add….
  
  Male councillors were seated in the front row; female councillors in the row behind.
  
  It’s not to protect the females from attacking visitors… it is to show the females their place in the grand scheme of things.
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:38am
  - fernglas
    
    As an atheist feminist, Maggy, I find all this grovelling to tikanga extremely offensive. I don’t believe in a superior being, nor that inanimate objects have a spiritual force of their own, and while I respect other people’s right to hold those superstitions, I don’t see why I should feel morally or socially compelled to observe rituals derived from them. I certainly don’t believe that women in the 2020’s should occupy a subservient position to men, regardless of the historical rationale. But I guess that just makes me a misogynistic racist.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:44am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Why is it not a custom across all iwi?
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Probably because tikanga seems to be a variable beast depending on who is running the show.
      
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      December 16, 2022 8:50am
      - Mike
        
        Well, of course.
        
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        December 16, 2022 4:42pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Past time for a Maori Reformation
        
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        December 16, 2022 4:47pm
    - fernglas
      
      That it is a custom in even one iwi is shameful
      
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      December 16, 2022 8:55am
    - cmm
      
      Well in the last 200 years we were able to stamp out cannibalism and slavery in NZ. Give it another 200 years and we can maybe sort out sexism. Racism might take a bit longer.
      
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      December 16, 2022 4:47pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Maybe with the re-emergence of everything cultural Maori, we can re-introduce cannibalism & slavery as a common good for all Ayotearowans. 😉
        
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        December 16, 2022 7:54pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have heard folk defend the Maori ‘sexism’ – no women speaking etc. on the basis that it is “different” because it is Maori cultural practice – it has always been this way and if you criticise it you are racist.
    
    This unwillingness to change is nuts. Cultural practices change. Just as well. What if we rewound English culture back to 1840, or even more so Chinese culture?
    
    Why can’t modern Maori reject subjugating women just like they rejected canibalism?
    
    And while they are at it can they please also concede that there is NO ‘fire goddess’ or ‘earth mother’? They are NOT REAL.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:46am
    - Nickc2
      
      How many English words have been given new Maori translations and meanings to form a new language called Te Reo? The answer of course is ‘countless’.
      Why didn’t New-Age Maori retain their original Maori language and insert English words (as spoken) when and where required eh?
      My guess is that it wouldn’t be devisive enough. Likewise, the re-writing of the ToW to suit a New-Age devisive and demanding culture.
      
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      December 16, 2022 9:13am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        If you go into public service offices in Wellington, you will frequently find stickers on the dishwasher, fridge, photocopier, etc. These stickers will label the Maori words for each of the appliances that you find in an office. Yes Maori had dishwashers.
        
        Apparently there is a Government committee that decides on the translation of English words into Maori. I am serious. I predict they would be challenged if someone asked for the user manual for a gas turbine to be translated into Maori. Or the instructions for using an MRI machine in a hospital. In contrast such instructions could be perfectly translated into Mandarin, French, German, Italian, Japanese, and Spanish.
        
        If there are any fluent Maori speakers here, I would be happy to be corrected.
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:35am
      - Taieri
        
        Yes Maori had dishwashers.
        ———
        
        You’re nitpicking Benedict.
        Of course Maori had no dishwashers, microwaves and space rockets or a word for them. But, before they were invented neither had English.
        As I see it, the problem is not in inventing new Maori words, but in the artificiality of forcing this language, which a very few people speak on everyday basis, on predominantly English speaking population. If 2018 Census is to be believed, as much as 27.4 % of NZ population is overseas-born. If the main purpose of a language is communication, is it fair to force the language not spoken or even understood by the majority of Maori, let alone by the people of other ethnicities on all and sundry? Is it fair to expect an affinity with this language from the people recently arrived in this country for whom the familiarity with English might be a foreign concept? Methinks not…
        
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        December 16, 2022 11:13am
      - Nickc2
        
        Benedict & Taiere
        A Maori Dishwasher is ‘horoi rihi’ (courtest Google Translate). The reverse translation is ‘washing dishes’. How does that work? Why not say ‘Dishwasher’ in English mid-sentence just like they use random Te Reo words in the NZ Media.
        Oh, that’s right, that’s not inclusive or divisive enough eh?
        
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        December 16, 2022 11:55am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        If Te Reo would transliterate (like Japanese does) then the native Te Reo speaker and their linguistic community could borrow words from English without having to go through the language purity council of Wellington.
        
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        December 16, 2022 12:36pm
    - Taieri
      
      And while they are at it can they please also concede that there is NO ‘fire goddess’ or ‘earth mother’? They are NOT REAL.
      ————-
      
      They ARE real.
      Your ignorance, almost bordering on racism, is simply astonishing. But there’s a remedy. As Dr Huirangi Waikerepuru explains in the following short video on the official Toka Tu Ake site:
      
      https://www.eqc.govt.nz/about-eqc/our-maori-name/
      
      The Minister responsible for Toka Tu Ake, another Doctor, the Hon David Clark has decreed that the whakapapa of our nation must be reflected in this area of his responsibility in order to create a foundation from which we can stand stronger, together.
      
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      December 16, 2022 9:17am
      - leoj
        
        Where’s the /s?
        If not sarcasm, then it’s utter, meaningless crap.
        There is nothing special about maori and their beliefs just as there is nothing special about any other nonsensical belief system.
        None have any place in local body meetings.
        To elevate maori beliefs above all others is racist.
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes I commented on the EQC nonsense the other day.
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:36am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        The Welsh for microwave if popity ping
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:41am
      - Taieri
        
        Where’s the /s?
        If not sarcasm, then it’s utter, meaningless crap.
        —————
        
        An uptick for your perception:)
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:59am
    - General
      
      10/10. Perhaps the majority here (Religious NZers) do truly believe in utter fiction. I retract partially my previous reply.
      
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      December 16, 2022 10:24am
  - alloytoo
    
    Not entirely sure I see a problem there Maggy 😛
    
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    December 16, 2022 9:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I must admit I’m quite happy to fade into the background when there’s lawns to be mown or rubbish bins to be hauled out to the gate, but invariably hubby is not to be seen.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:36am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Maggy. live in a fully serviced apartment. No lawns, no rubbish to be hauled to the gate.
        Life is about choices. You are in control of your life!!
        
        PS. I have chosen a serviced apartment so probably biased 🙂
        
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        December 16, 2022 3:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        In all honesty, I didn’t realise that our place had 6 separate lawns when we bought it.
        
        The place was so overgrown that the truth wasn’t revealed until some serious chainsawing had gone on.
        
        Actually hubby does the front & side 4 lawns here & I do the 2 back ones( He never did the lawn-mowing in Island Bay, tho’).
        
        One day we might have to face reality and hire someone to mow them… but not this week….
        
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        December 16, 2022 3:35pm
      - cmm
        
        Mix a solution of 50:50 round up and green paint.
        Apply once.
        
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        December 16, 2022 4:34pm
- cmm
  
  Much of the advancement of Western culture comes down to the self-reflection that, partly, came about in the Renaissance.
  
  Cultures which are not self-critical are trapped in their old ways and cannot improve.
  
  The Western enchantment with the “noble savage” is both patronising and enslaving. Noble savage cultures are not expected to perform well and become trapped by the tyranny of low expectation. They are denied the criticism that helps improvement.
  
  Maori customs have their place in enriching society. So do quaint old European customs like Morris dancing, but they all need to be moderated.
  
  Perhaps a karakia, a bit of poi waving, and some Morris dancers etc should be present in a a few ceremonial sessions (eg. first council meeting of the year), but having them at every meeting is absurd.
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:45am
  - EssenX
    
    I like your last suggestion. It acknowledges another culture, but that culture doesn’t dominate. In a similar way, organisations could acknowledge other cultures at other one off times of the year, e.g. Chinese New Year, Diwali, Christmas, etc.
    
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    December 16, 2022 9:58am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, exactly. That’s the preferred way to get people to appreciate and value multi-culturalism etc.
      
      If you’re just going to have one team stuff their mumbo-jumbo down everyone else’s throats it is not going to help anybody.
      
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      December 16, 2022 1:47pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Seems the only people that Maori customs enrich are Maori elites. Everyone else paying for them ends up poorer and the time wasted on them is a huge drain on productivity and education.
    
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    December 16, 2022 11:09am
surfing

Tauranga has high population growth and the failure of government to invest in health services is causing surgery waiting lists to explode…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/tauranga-hospital-chief-medical-officer-tells-gps-no-expedition-for-surgeries-despite-soaring-wait-list/FVXBD4GHTRGNJG5XJBFHDVUMMQ/

GP’s are pleading for their patients to get surgery but there is no capacity.

I also wonder, how much the maori health authority is causing delays because non-maori are getting bumped off lists. The media is too cowardly to investigate this, as the reality of such racist policies are extremely nasty when one looks closely into the operational details.
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December 16, 2022 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think all Hospitals are in the same boat. North Shore included.
  I need 4 surgeries. Rotor cuff and tendon repair, cubital tunnel both elbows (moving the ulnar nerve) I am very restricted, can’t pick up a box of beer, can’t hold a cup of tea in one hand.
  Can’t see anything happening until this poxy Govt is gone.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:42am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Time for some medical tourism? Surgical specialists in Thailand and India are generally far more experienced (highly specialised in doing the same operation 1000’s of times) and way cheaper than Private treatment in NZ.
    
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    December 16, 2022 11:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I have thought about it. Might release some of the equity of my property and make a decent holiday out of it. $1.35M just sitting there. I know values have dropped a bit.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:38am
    - MCōs
      
      I had a hip replacement at this hospital 20+ years ago.
      Still going fine.
      https://www.bumrungrad.com/en/packages/packages-center/health-screening-center?utm_source=sem-expat&utm_medium=sem&utm_campaign=health-check-up-packages-8-may-20&gclid=Cj0KCQiAqOucBhDrARIsAPCQL1amiOovdMe12WxcHa81TCjj1bfqJ0EsmTF9BcVauINh-puak8pM0x4aAoakEALw_wcB
      At the time I paid about $13,000, which was the same as my cousin paid privately at the time in NZ.
      It was generally regarded as in the top echelon of Bangkok hospitals, which was why I went there.
      It’s gone way upmarket since then as it angles for the international market.
      The doctor who did the business was in his sixties.
      He’s still practicing elsewhere in a hospital he may, I think, own.
      Another hospital near our house I used was
      https://www.samitivejhospitals.com/
      
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      December 16, 2022 1:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Thanks for that. Did not see it yesterday.
        
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        December 17, 2022 9:29am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Get a very small mortgage on your Million dollar mansion and go for a holiday to Singapore(expensive) or Thailand (5 star facility) and get the surgery done and do followup recovery next month.
    
    Then you can pickup a box of beer for me when I come to visit in March.
    
    If you wait for this or the next government to sort the waiting lists, you will die on the waiting list.
    
    Why the hell they dont outsource a chunk of the non critical surgery (ie your stuff) beggars belief.
    
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    December 16, 2022 4:33pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Can’t pick up a box of beer, Steve? Now that’s serious!
    
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    December 16, 2022 4:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It fucking hurts!
      
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      December 17, 2022 9:30am
OverseasKiwi

Having returned to New Zealand after several decades overseas, I am astonished at the power of the New Zealand government to interfere in the lives of the average kiwi with little or no accountability.

In the last three months, I have come to realise that the educational system is a shambles, the economy is on life support, and the media (!) is full of self-important and pompous individuals.

Above all, everything is very expensive – the US, even in large cities, was much cheaper. It seems to me that it is difficult for many kiwis to survive, let alone prosper.

The people are nice, however, and that counts for much, especially for the kids.
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December 16, 2022 8:44am
- Ra Henare
  
  The really sad thing is that Kiwis allow the Government to get involved in their everyday lives and beau racy has gone power crazy!!
  
  Just went to renew my Van rego (to satisfy Insurer) but no cant do that. No current WOF.
  Its in effing storage. for a couple of months.
  
  Can suspend rego for minimum 3 months? Why 3? Some cardy wearing NZTA type decided.!!! Prat.
  
  This cancer is creeping through all government departments.
  They still demand you put your seat number on your arrival card along with loads of other drivel.
  (They get passenger manifests from the airline-electronically!!!!)
  
  Fly in to many countries no paperwork crap let alone wanting to know your effing seat number.
  
  We are doomed I tell you, doomed.
  What with this intrusion cancer
  Cost of living
  Poor Health care availability
  
  Nah, other than beaches and bush. Why live in NZ.
  
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  December 16, 2022 5:50pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    The good thing is you can built a hut in the bush near the sea near a stream and live…. where else in the world can you do that?
    
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    December 16, 2022 7:33pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Provided the council doesn’t find out – then you’re really in the shit.
      
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      December 16, 2022 7:58pm
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-climate-change-documentary-earns-80-theatre-critic-reviews
AOCs anti Western Climate change movie fails to draw the crowds, only $80 takings per theatre on the first weekend, people aren’t entirely stupid after all.
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December 16, 2022 8:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It earned that much? Well done, I thought it would have totally bombed……..//
  
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  December 16, 2022 8:52am
  - cmm
    
    That American money is hard to work with. Easy to drop a $20 in the box when you meant to drop a single.
    
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    December 16, 2022 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  AOC explains Green New Deal.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5cC6wysUw8
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:50am
- Nickc2
  
  AOC should have consulted with Eugenie Sage and Nanaia Mahuta. That’d fill the Movie Theaters eh?
  You never know, AOC might even get her mellon chiseled into Mount Rushmore.
  
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  December 16, 2022 12:15pm
Matt Long

Compare the hateful rhetoric from religious nutjobs with the caring response from the rainbow community.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ohio-teacher-forced-resign-refusing-call-students-preferred-pronoun-lawsuit
https://babylonbee.com/news/pride-month-canceled-after-its-revealed-lgbtq-community-culturally-appropriated-sign-of-noahic-covenant
Oh, the Bee wasn’t reporting actual events? Mostly it seems so much more accurate than the MSM.
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December 16, 2022 8:48am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Matt Long – The BB has a knack for capturing the moment in a succinct headline don’t they?
  
  I was snorting coffee down my nose this morning when I visited their page.
  
  Elon musk buys Santas workshop, releases emails showing how naughty and nice lists were created.
  
  Government warns that with Elon owning Twitter they will only control 97% of the media.
  
  Theologians believe Mary had firm “no parables at the dinner table” policy.
  
  Worth a visit every few days for a chuckle.
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:07am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Talking about religious nutjobs I had a couple of Jehovahs knock on the door yesterday. Told them to go away.
  Maybe I should have told them the joke I heard where a bloke invited them inside and offered them a seat, then said ‘so what do you want to talk about?’
  ‘Dunno’, said the chief Jehovah, ‘I’ve never got this far before.’
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:07am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Captain – it was done to perfection in an episode of the excellent Black Books. Bernard doesn’t want to do his tax returns so invites the 2 JWs in to talk about it.
    
    Very funny. Highly recommended!!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6TeDM-wlZ4
    
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    December 16, 2022 9:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    A friend is an ex Jehovah Witness. Before she escaped, she devoted about 20 years dragging her kids around Queenstown in all weather knocking on doors. She explained to me that you get ‘credit’ by the numbers of doors you knock on. It does not matter how many folk let you in. So some of them give up their jobs so they can door knock full time.
    
    She told me that in 20 years, and thousands of door knocks, she might have been invited in half a dozen times.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:42am
    - Flossie
      
      I asked a group once if they get paid per head for converts. They became quite flustered.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:01am
      - Jack5
        
        Over the years, we have invited into the home for a cup of tea door-knocking Mormon missionaries and Jehovah’s Witnesses. And so did my parents long ago.
        
        We do the same for electricity company’s door knockers.
        
        A quick burst of religious patter, like the electricity sellers, then you may find pleasant people. Usually they accept an assertion of lack of interest in changing beliefs. If not they pick up the signals and the visit is short.
        
        I’ve drifted from atheism to agnosticism unswayed.
        
        Disregard for Jehovah’s Witnesses’ beliefs for me has been balanced by reading of their incarceration in Nazi concentration camps. The SS officers’ families made some of the women their family nannies.
        
        Also by reading Jacobo Timerman’s “Prisoner without a Name, Cell without a Number.”
        Timerman, an editor and publisher, was jailed and tortured for opposing the Argentine military’s “dirty war” against citizens. He praised the kindness and endurance of fellow prisoners who were Argentinian Jehovah’s Witnesses, jailed for their pacifism.
        
        Similarly, young Mormons far from home deserve some warmth, if not your conversion.
        
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        December 16, 2022 11:48am
    - oldfella
      
      BY: did she escape from the JW’s unscathed? More to the point, did her kids? If they’re still in the cult, it’s likely they’re no longer be in contact with their mother. Officially, she would be a non-person in the eyes of the church.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:36am
    - Ghost
      
      As a kid my best friends were jehovah’s witnesses, always sneaked them a birthday or Xmas present. Benefit of having them as friends was we never got door knocked.
      
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      December 16, 2022 11:57am
blue collar

Can’t wait til March , national and act are gonna blow labour out of the water .
They’ve had plenty of time to assess and plan attacks around a multitude of major labour cock ups and scandals ,
The mountain of powder has been kept nice and dry , the cannons primed , the labour troops in their bright red blazers are walking dazedly into destruction .
Holiday time now
Be safe you big beautiful bastards … always remember …. DONT veet the meat maaaan 😅
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December 16, 2022 8:54am
- Its only I
  
  Labours MPs may go on holiday but Labours MSN dont. They go into maintenance mode, keeping the nine years of neglect or negative National all criticism no policy theme going.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:40am
Bobba Fret

Why is it in NZ, that the person committing the crime, always seems to think they are the victim?
Poor diddums having his Christmas ruined. What about the poor bloke with the shattered eye socket and the pain he’s gone through?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-sentenced-for-brutal-punch-tells-judge-thanks-for-devastating-my-christmas/BHEVM4WE2VGGHJU4GSGPKRRRFQ/
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December 16, 2022 9:13am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmZsIttHCM8
Sean Plunket talks with Chantelle Baker who gets taken down again.

Facebook de-platforms Chantelle Baker … again.
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December 16, 2022 9:36am
- Master Mariner
  
  Very worrying.
  I guess it boils down to the podium of truth.//
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:39am
- Sacha
  
  Why does Chantelle talk to Plunket? It only lowers her credibility profile.
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:37pm
BarryB

I was recently in discussion with some iwi members in Taranaki and I asked why the 3 waters had become 5 waters – I mean what is the 5 waters organisation going to do to improve the foreshore and offshore waters?
They explained that Lake Taupo is a major financial benefit to the owners of the lake bed – ie: fishing license income and (as they explained) any use “over, on or under” the surface.
They fully expect that within a few years anyone exploiting natural resources (which they say maori were promised ownership of in the treaty) on or in the foreshore or sea will have to pay for it – so going fishing will require a license……… which will cost of course.
Catching a fish, pulling up a few mussels, maybe even collecting material off the shore will all cost.

What a lovely thing this 5 waters mess will be.
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December 16, 2022 9:36am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tQEb6ojT9o

Whole Beijing is feverish/CCP faces largest rotten tail project: 3-year zero-COVID abruptly exited.

Recently, the Chinese Communist Party CCP made a sharp U-turn in its official epidemic prevention policy. It has not only issued a series of new regulations to loosen epidemic prevention, but also no longer mentioned its insistence on the “dynamic zero-Covid policy.” Most Chinese welcome China to actually end the Zero-Covid policy. The international community sees it as good news in general too. But this change comes so suddenly without adequate official preparation and transition. Different local governments end up interpreting the central government’s policy differently, creating a chaotic situation when viewed from various aspects at a national level. [21:01]
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December 16, 2022 9:36am
Maggie Pie

Ma was telling us earlier….. mid-till-dawn talkback caller to ZB, describing herself as a sickness beneficiary and solo mother with three kids currently living in a Rotovegas motel, was totally shocked after watching the Netflix series ‘Harry & Meghan’ last night, at just how badly the poor things were treated by the Royal Family.
Really felt for them apparently.

LOL!!
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December 16, 2022 9:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That’s real empathy eh!
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner’s mum watched it….
    she described them as a pair of whiny little bastards
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:16am
- Flossie
  
  I can’t afford Netflix. Wonder how beneficiaries living in motels – at our expense – get to watch?
  
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  December 16, 2022 11:02am
  - Ghost
    
    You don’t need Netflix to watch their shows…..
    
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    December 16, 2022 11:16am
    - Flossie
      
      If I may quote a certain Australian senator….”please explain?”
      
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      December 16, 2022 12:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        Netflix along with everything else, including the godawful nz crap you can download from warez/torrent sites, people also put them on other sites to stream.
        
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        December 16, 2022 12:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Grant Robertson’s poorly thought-out income insurance scheme (or how to get suckas paying for your 6 month holiday)

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/16-12-2022/why-income-insurance-should-be-taken-off-labours-2023-to-do-list
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December 16, 2022 9:45am
- MCōs
  
  I thought that had already been shunted off into the middle distance?
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:02am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Robertson has just recommitted to it this week, due 2025, and Carmel Sepuloni also stated it was a priority or key focus or some such. Was an article on the Herald saying that this is not one of the items they are looking at shelving as part of re-prioritising next year. Good. Showing that even now they are still tone-deaf and focus on pissing money up the wall and reforms that even the swing voters didn’t want.
    In the meantime social housing, truancy, poverty, crime all trending worse (i.e. the types of thing many of their supporters in 2017 actually DO care about). I hope the election does go ahead with the prospect of people losing 1.39% of their take home pay for a scheme which only helps IF they lose their job AND aren’t reemployed.
    Actually madness as a policy in every way. Let’s Do this!
    
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    December 16, 2022 2:39pm
  - rouppe
    
    Nope, been reinforced as high on the priority list for 2023
    
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    December 16, 2022 3:22pm
- Local Miller
  
  Did The Spinoff really publish an article critical of a Liebour Government scheme? I actually had to go and read it to make sure.
  I’m still wondering if this is some sort of Spinoff spoof site.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:08am
  - H. Upmann
    
    The latest payoff / bribery payment has not arrived.
    
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    December 16, 2022 10:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The “jersey changing” is happening at pace.
    
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    December 16, 2022 11:40am
JimBobJoe

All you COVID Vaccine supporters – here is your chance to get in on a clincial trial combining the useless COVID vaccine with the seem useless flu vaccine!!!

https://trials.evrima.com/flu-covid-19-medical-study

Enjoy…
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December 16, 2022 9:46am
- krazykiwi
  
  There have been 1.7 billion flu vaccinations in the US in the 12 years between 2008 and 2020. That north of 140 million vaccinations per season. Anyone care to guess if this is reducing flu infections and deaths?
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:50am
  - cmm
    
    Any science operating in this space is so sketchy it does not deserve the name “science”.
    
    Every statistic has been so badly massaged that it is meaningless.
    
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    December 16, 2022 4:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  On that topic, here are some excellent questions to ask your Doctor from Steve Kirsch. Good luck getting answers.
  It’s why there is zero debate, they know they will be destroyed if they try. We are going to be continuously gaslit and lied to. They haven’t got the moral fortitude to admit they were wrong. My Doctor fits into that category. Wouldn’t respond to many polite questions, I finally got a phone call explaining how they understood my position but how “difficult” it was for them because they receive different advice from MoH and the government. I’m guessing it was a phone call so there is nothing on record.
  
  It reminded me of the old advice to budding journalists.
  
  “If someone says it’s raining another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the fucking window and find out which is true.”
  
  https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/questions-you-can-ask-your-doctor?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=90733384&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
  
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  December 16, 2022 11:14am
Maggie Pie

I know Mayor Wayne doesn’t follow me on FB or Insta.
But if I were to offer him a bit of free ‘fashion-advice’….. I’d suggest he regularly groom his beard with a #3 Comb like my partner does.

Honestly, he’d look Ten Years Younger.
Just saying.
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December 16, 2022 10:29am
- Sacha
  
  Have you looked at the YouTube channel –
  Beardbrand
  This one is from The Dapper Dan Barbershop
  https://youtu.be/8_HFyosIeAg
  
  Men really enjoy their barbershop experience, lol.
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:55pm
Surely Knott

Looking for Christmas ticket ideas in the Auckland Art Festival. Wonder which self hating people will be buying tickets to this racist govt funded masterpiece “The Savage Coloniser”

“unapologetic examination of race and racism is full of bold humour, courage and lacerating truths: where red-sequinned dusky maidens train their sights on James Cook, Samoan school girls play an innocent game of patty-cake as they describe the atrocities on Nauru, and a Tour Guide offers instructions on how to be in a room full of white people. “
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December 16, 2022 10:36am
Prince

As a National/Act supporter, the redundancy top-up scheme scares me. It will be massively popular. Please do not throw me into that briar patch, Brer Fox.
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December 16, 2022 10:45am
DeepBlue

The Government has finally opened the borders to more skilled workers in what I believe is an attempt to put a floor on falling house prices.

If I had a massive loan and negative equity I’d be getting a tenant and taking one of those $300k FiFo mine jobs in Western Australia to ride out the storm. Essentially becoming an exporter of my trade.
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December 16, 2022 11:00am
- MCōs
  
  Interesting thing house prices.
  A few houses hereabouts sold for particularly high prices a couple of years back and the June 2021 cv for my property was such that my rates shot up 15%.
  In the interim the selling price has gone down about 15% according to Oneroof, maybe a lot more (or less).
  In my case, apart from the rates, because the house is freehold it’s all just numbers.
  In the case of someone who thought 2.5% mortgages were permanent and borrowed to the hilt, ain’t no political party going to help you now.
  But they could go to the bank and kick the manager in the nuts for giving them the mortgage. If they can find someone who’ll take responsibility.
  
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  December 16, 2022 11:55am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Banks apply Interest Sensitivity tests to mortgage applications
    They know Rates don’t stay low forever
    
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    December 16, 2022 12:31pm
  - Taieri
    
    If they can find someone who’ll take responsibility.
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    Easy. They could look in the mirror.
    
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    December 16, 2022 1:21pm
    - MCōs
      
      Of course that’s right on a basic level.
      However.
      The bank could handing over a shit load of money to someone who they know will be in the shit if/when interest increases.
      People think they can trust bankers; especially if they need advice. I remember thinking many years ago that when it comes to buying a house nobody is on your side except maybe your lawyer.
      
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      December 16, 2022 2:05pm
      - cmm
        
        Sure banks operate with reduced risk.
        Sure, incentives are there to sign up as many as possible.
        But banks really don’t like forcing people into mortgagee auctions. It makes them look bad.
        
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        December 16, 2022 4:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh they care alright.
        In fact because of this they tightened up too much
        https://www.consumerprotection.govt.nz/assets/uploads/responsible-lending-code-june-2017.pdf
        
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        December 16, 2022 4:45pm
Yabster

Tanui/Mahuta corp and Ngai Tahu/the South Island Mafia have the Government by the balls and a squeezing…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/130785206/waikatotainui-receive-inflationupdated-1015-relativity-payment
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December 16, 2022 11:04am
Jack5

Attacks on corner dairies in Auckland: panic in Wellington, police chiefs assure public, politicians promise millions of dollars worth of protective equipment, media in a frenzy.

People being murdered in the streets and parks of Christchurch. Ho hum!

Latest – two young women visiting from Auckland bashed by a mob at a Christchurch bus stop.

Why have Christchurch MPs and the Mayor and councillors just buried their heads under blankets over this chaos?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130766474/young-women-traumatised-after-group-of-teens-brutally-assaulted-them-at-christchurch-bus-stop
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December 16, 2022 11:12am
- Taieri
  
  Why have Christchurch MPs and the Mayor and councillors just buried their heads under blankets over this chaos?
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  What would you have them do? Something effective? Come on…
  
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  December 16, 2022 1:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    I would expect them to speak out and put some pressure on the levers of power. That’s what we have MPs for: not to fill potholes or do anything practical.
    
    I would expect politicians to show local voters that they give a fuck about their problems and concerns.
    
    Taieri, do you think a democracy’s MPs are powerless and ineffectual and should be unconcerned?
    
    Would you have us assemble a posse comitatus? Not a helluva lot if could do since MPs have taken guns from the citizenry.
    
    Over to you, Taieri. The floor is yours.
    
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    December 16, 2022 3:39pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Jack, I think you missed the implied //
      
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      December 16, 2022 4:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        NeverMindTheBollocks, you may well be correct. I missed any implied sarcasm. 😱
        
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        December 16, 2022 7:55pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  There is a lesson in there however, which is to keep your mouth shut or else be civil.
  It seems clear it blew up from one of the victims telling a member of the larger group to ‘fuck off’ even as they were parting ways.
  Well, you better be prepared to back up your mouth if you use it to inflame a situation.
  Nobody should get a beating and robbed, but you can’t say in this case it was 100% unprovoked.
  I had a very definitive unrestrained pitbull (maybe mastiff mix) rush me a couple weeks back while jogging across a nearby park, and pulled out a knife I carry for this purpose and stood my ground. The Polynesians on dirt bikes in the reserve came over and most were apologetic or wanting to diffuse this, but as I turned to continue on my way there was one wahine that starting getting a bit aggressive or indignant. I chose not to reply, or even respond, and carried on with my run.
  I am well aware that had I met like with like, or even tried to continue the conversation, it might turn bad. A with half a dozen of them and who knows how many whanau able to be summoned at short notice, there is something to be said for letting little things go.
  If you invite a street fight there is more than one unknown element, don’t discount the risk of serious injury or death for someone involved. i.e. avoid where possible, even if it means missing out on a super-witty verbal riposte like ‘fuck you’.
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:56pm
  - marleybob
    
    So your the type of person who bends over and take it, alot of us are not like
    you chamberlains. People like you are the exact reason they continue.
    
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    December 16, 2022 6:36pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      You don’t know me at all, or even what little you might have gathered from my KB posts.
      But if you think it is a good idea to escalate things with a potty mouth when a confrontation is already over then you are likely pretty stupid.
      
      I am also willing to wager I have a bit more competitive fighting and street fighting experience than yourself. You would find those that have a great deal of it (such as I know) would be more around keeping a level head rather than equating that level headedness with childish sodomy metaphors.
      As for the second methaphor ‘Chamberlain’, it suggests you are well past the age you should be pretending to be a harder man than thou. You are likely to end up with a brain injury or stabbed if you try to play a big man with a group of random people when there is literally nothing at stake, gramps.
      Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
      
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      December 17, 2022 9:39am
MCōs

Petrol $2.02 in Wiri.
Bishop Brian will be happy for his people.
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December 16, 2022 11:18am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That one is generally the cheapest in Auckland. But in reality, only worth doing if you’re in the area. Get the Gaspy app.
  
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  December 16, 2022 12:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-the-works-of-so-called-maori-academics-must-always-be-fact-checked/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Bruce-Moon-and-Godfreys-review-of-Fletcher.pdf
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December 16, 2022 11:22am
Benedict Yu

This is a good example of how the Government talks big on “net zero” emissions, but then loses its nerve when it becomes clear that the result will be huge rises in energy prices. The only way to achieve big reductions in emissions is to allow the price of New Zealand Units in the ETS to increase. The resulting increases in energy costs are an intended result, not a side effect.

Did these clowns really think that they could achieve massive reductions in emissions and escape massive increases in energy prices?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300766688/government-baulks-at-raising-carbon-price-as-cost-of-living-bites
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December 16, 2022 11:33am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ardern and co don’t “think” – they “aspire.”
  
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  December 16, 2022 12:41pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I’m going to report the government of aotearoa to Greta and the schools’ climate protest movement.
  
  Then we’ll see some real action!!
  
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  December 16, 2022 12:43pm
Ghost

This is shameful. We need these people, drop the fees so our health system can get back up to capacity with staff

From yesterday, they moved onto the Green List of those able to apply for residency straight away rather than having to work here for two years first.

But some worried the cost could get in the way.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/health-professionals-reluctant-to-move-to-new-zealand-because-of-residency-fee.html
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December 16, 2022 12:00pm
- cmm
  
  This should be for any high value employees. When they try make special cases for some people then others get grumpy/frustrated.
  
  When I came to NZ in 1992, I arrived on a Permanent Residence Visa. I was a PR as soon as they stamped my passport.
  
  If I recall correctly, the application cost around NZ$600 back then and covered my whole family (3 of us).
  
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  December 16, 2022 1:23pm
Jack5

Radio NZ looks at a State advertising splash on social media in its Covid campaign.

The total spend is $1.59 million, which is crumbs from Labour’s multi-billion money printing.

A taste:

“… inexperienced, unqualified students suddenly on a wage equivalent to a senior creative at an advertising agency… ”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/480862/the-1-point-59m-covid-vaccination-campaign-that-happened-after-almost-everyone-was-vaccinated
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December 16, 2022 12:39pm
- cmm
  
  This mega splurging is common.
  
  During the EQ rebuild phase 10 years ago, “painters” were getting paid $50 an hour (+ a “management fee” of ??? for the supervisors) + travelling expenses.
  
  Qualification required: If you can hold a beer bottle you can hold a paint brush.
  And that was 10 years ago when $50 really was $50.
  
  One guy I spoke to was a painter with three years real experience (including training time at CPIT). He had three others in his crew and was also pulling in a few hundred $ a week just on transport expenses.
  
  I’ve forgotten how much he was earning, but it was about the same as I was at the time (as an experienced software engineer consulting to Apple).
  
  The mechanic from the local garage started a painting crew and main a relative fortune! I wouldn’t be surprised if a few students (or even school kids) took a sabbatical from their studies to swing a brush.
  
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  December 16, 2022 1:17pm
Ghost

So the shits are now going after couriers

A courier driver involved in a terrifying early morning robbery in upmarket Grey Lynn was seen screaming for help as a man entered her fully laden van and drove off.

Stephen D’Antal lives on Sussex St in Grey Lynn. At 6.30am, he was woken up by loud noises, shouting and a car engine revving outside his house.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-courier-driver-screams-for-help-as-thieves-attempt-to-rob-van-full-of-parcels-in-grey-lynn/TDQ4QMFGINHGZB6YVIJTEO2HAE/
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December 16, 2022 1:12pm
- cmm
  
  Expect more. This week there’s a lot of high value, and easy to shift, merch in those vans.
  
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  December 16, 2022 1:19pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Horrible thought, but the criminals are much smarter and more energetic than our dense and useless Labour ministers.
    They recognise the risk vs reward. Like ram raid became smash and grabs when they figured how easy it was to get away with it.
    Had this worked I expect some other quick-learners might chose to follow courier vans just to see if any leave the keys in the ignition.
    As you say, a good time of year for it.
    Horrible.
    
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    December 16, 2022 3:07pm
I remember when

Doctor slammed for texting 600 patients misinformation:
“I cannot in conscience support Cocid vaccination of, particularly children, and pregnant and fertile women, from my assessment of current risks and benefits, best explained at http://www.nzdsos.com. All to make their own best decision.”

The Health and Disability Commsiioner found the doctor in breach of standards in place to protect the public by expressing his own, unbalanced opinions.
When I go to our local practice I may well get a locum or any one of the resident doctors.
I will receive what I have always thought was their own decision.
If it doesn’t result in a cure I don’t consider it an unbalanced decision.
Did this really warrant the HDC?
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December 16, 2022 1:24pm
- General
  
  He was right. He should be rewarded for his prescient caution . More nonsense from those in denial.
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:09pm
  - Sacha
    
    Not to mention the ethics involved – his promise to do no harm – if he was unable to honestly promote the treatment as ‘safe and effective’.
    
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    December 16, 2022 3:00pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  One of the few honest doctors with a spine in this country. It is his belief and he isn’t wrong as we are beginning to find out.
  
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  December 16, 2022 10:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Californians move to Texas Ep4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxQVUNPeWnc
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December 16, 2022 1:42pm
Maggie Pie

“In preparation for landing, please ensure your tray tables are stowed, your seats are in the upright position, and your seatbelts are securely fastened……”
😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/cbs11doug/status/1603466654704406530
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December 16, 2022 1:48pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Something must have gone drastically wrong to crash a VTOL jet.
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:14pm
  - Ghost
    
    Spilled his coffee?
    
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    December 16, 2022 2:20pm
  - cmm
    
    Naah, just the fuckup that keeps giving: F35.
    
    The poms had this sorted by the time they rolled out the Harrier in 1967…. 55 years ago.
    
    Not a single good American military aircraft has been designed since they stopped using slide rules!
    
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    December 16, 2022 3:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Californians move to Texas Ep5.
I just came across these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsImFkLdE4A
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December 16, 2022 1:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Californians move to Texas Ep6 Finale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsImFkLdE4A
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December 16, 2022 1:54pm
- mandk
  
  To be honest, the finale was a bit of a let down, but the other 5 episodes were absolutely brilliant.
  
  I loved the way Steve (he/him) grew into his new life as a Texan.
  
  Timpani (she/her) was delightfully bonkers, and it was hugely amusing when she turned out to be a gun nut.
  
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  December 16, 2022 2:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “How much is an AR-15 just in case I should want to buy one?”
    Dam good acting.
    
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    December 17, 2022 9:38am
General

Amused at the down ticks of my reply reminding BY to show a little more humility considering his failure in regards to Covid. If you got ‘vaccinated’ happily (not counting the coerced) you seriously lack critical thinking skills. Sorry it hurts your ego, you were wrong and helped enable in your small personal capacity in so much misery and death that continues to be covered up. That is a fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MSKzoI72eU

Look how much they care, pretty empty isn’t it?

Safe and effective! LOL!
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December 16, 2022 1:56pm
- General
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300766826/ministers-approve-pfizers-covid-vaccine-for-highrisk-children-under-five
  
  The idiots have gone even further now. Unbelievable.
  
  Cheers for the down ticks, enjoy your mRNA. You’re stupid.
  
  Also
  
  New documents reveal how the United States government used a secret Twitter portal to censor COVID-19 content that contradicted the government’s narrative.
  
  In its ongoing probe into Twitter’s censorship practices, America First Legal has obtained a fourth set of documents (pdf) exposing a secret Twitter portal, which U.S. government officials used to censor dissenting COVID-19 views in violation of the First Amendment. It’s a revelation Elon Musk described as “extremely concerning.”
  
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  December 16, 2022 7:10pm
- NothingLeft
  
  For older people the vaccine was (even with unknown safety data) a reasonable bet for people in late middle age against the relatively dangerous (higher CFR) Delta strain. Omicron’s advent in late 2021 changed that, but that was after most older people had already been vaccinated.
  
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  December 16, 2022 7:12pm
  - General
    
    https://files.catbox.moe/f2y6ex.mp4
    
    [Mod – please post a description with your link so people know what is]
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:20pm
graham

The only surprise to me is why it took so long.

Kaipara hikoi leader petitions Parliament for mandatory karakia

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/kaipara-hikoi-leader-petitions-parliament-for-mandatory-karakia/55ZXLCCRNZHNPMDU7OYYPRE6HE/

The organiser of this week’s Kaipara karakia protest hikoi is petitioning Parliament to make the Māori tikanga feature mandatory for the more than 30 New Zealand councils with Māori electoral areas.

Dargaville district’s Paturiri Toatu has lodged a petition request with Parliament seeking karakia are made compulsory for the start and finish of council meetings in councils with Māori wards or constituencies.

Apparently, disallowing an opening and a closing karakia – which, by the way, Mr Toatu’s petition refers to as a prayer – disrespects Tikanga Māori, Māori culture, and directly contravenes The Treaty of Waitangi.

Mr Toatu said the compromise position – where a karakia could be used, as one option, by councillors on a rotating basis – “did not go far enough”. I have no idea exactly what that means, but I can only assume that Mr Toatu wants to have Maori customs and protocols observed exclusively, with absolutely no regard shown for any other faiths or beliefs. Tough luck if you’re a Christian (like me), Muslim, or indeed an atheist. Your beliefs apparently are no longer considered to be important or of any relevance in modern New Zealand.

I guess at least we now know where we stand.
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December 16, 2022 2:16pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, there are three options:
  1. Get rid of Mahuta,,
  2. Hold a Reforendum,
  3. Tell him to fuck off.
  What will Cindy do?
  
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  December 16, 2022 3:02pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Funnily enough, a petition to our parliament customarily begins with the petitioners praying for relief from some real or imagined grievance.
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I have just been sent an email about Marsden Refinery.
Liz Gunn talking to two ex Marsden workers. Just over 1 hour, but the first 30 min tell it all. Convert Marsden into Solar Power my fucking left tit. The Green types are showing their ignorance. NZ has already turned away jetfuel I think. It could have been run through Marsden. BTW when does Marsden get a Te Reo name?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0QUor5H92w
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December 16, 2022 3:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well I sat it all out. Last question by one of the guys – ” Jacinda, can I talk to who is really in charge?”
  
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  December 16, 2022 4:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Get into it guys, before you drop into the pub for a craft beer shandy. The train leaves soon!
  
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  December 16, 2022 4:15pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Do you really think the government should have kept ownership of the refinery, Steve?
  Re the name, you could ask the local hapu about its name before it was renamed to honour the ‘flogging parson’.
  
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  December 16, 2022 7:13pm
kiwikidsnz

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/480903/supreme-court-decision-drug-courier-wins-appeal-over-two-year-jail-term

Yet another example of why many NZdrs hold the judiciary in contempt.

All about the offender/s. No mention or consideration of the lives ruined by the drugs supplied by this couple.
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December 16, 2022 4:13pm
- Ghost
  
  Perhaps he should have considered his children before doing it.
  
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  December 16, 2022 6:15pm
  - kowtow
    
    Now there’s a clear incentive for the criminal classes to have children.
    
    They are literally a get out of gaol card .
    
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    December 16, 2022 7:57pm
Ghost

A group of opposition party leaders in Fiji are calling for a halt to vote counting and an audit of the country’s electoral system.

This comes after provisional results, displayed on a Fiji Election Office app, showing a clear lead for the opposition People’s Alliance Party (PAP) over the ruling Fiji First Party were stopped due to an upload error that the electoral office said redistributed the allocation of votes displayed in the app.

The app was taken offline for several hours and then restarted in the early hours of Thursday morning showing an almost unassailable lead for the ruling Fiji First Party over all other parties.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/talanoa/fiji-opposition-leaders-question-integrity-of-election/YSKDQCX2IBF2FMOQKVVDVFSPZ4/
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December 16, 2022 5:29pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Fiji ranks 104th of 194 countries in the Freedom in the World index. Places them in the ‘partly free’ category. No real surprises that the ruling junta could screw the scrum, although they rank better than ‘not free’ countries such as Rwanda, Russia or Vietnam. but still far from countries in the ‘free’ category, such as Nauru, Botswana, South Africa, the US, UK, NZ or Finland.
  
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  December 16, 2022 7:07pm
Alan Wilkinson

How utterly useless are Waka Idiots managing our roads. Resealing a passing lane on SH1 at Whakapara north of Whangarei Friday afternoon a week before Xmas. Traffic backed for kilometres as they single laned it with a traffic light. I got into the queue at 12:50pm. After 15 mins I passed the ute warning of queues ahead – about a kilometre after the queue tail. Finally got past the roadworks at 1:40. Waka Idiots finally put a delay warning on their website at 2:10. It was still there when I got home at 5pm. Took a detour on the way home to miss it all. If the morons had to do this today why on earth not keep two lanes open and seal one lane at a time. And if you insist on being idiots why not put up warnings in a timely way on your website. Screw them all.
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December 16, 2022 5:40pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Get home and read the seal is lifting again in the Dome valley. Have to drive that road tomorrow. Bugger.
  
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  December 16, 2022 6:43pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    If the Waka Idiots actually had a waka they would sink it for sure.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:42pm
Ghost

Medical pathologists from Heidelberg University Hospital in Heidelberg, Germany have published direct evidence showing how people found dead after mRNA vaccination died. As this team of six scientists explore in their study, these mRNA-vaccinated patients suffered from heart damage because their hearts were attacked by their own immune cells. This autoimmune attack on their own heart cells then leads to their damaged hearts beating so many times per second that, once the tachycardia unexpectedly started, they died in minutes.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/people-died-from-mrna-vaccine-damaged-hearts-new-peer-reviewed-german-study-provides-direct-evidence_4919662.html
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December 16, 2022 5:59pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’ve been reading up on myocarditis and exertion-released adrenaline. Nasty, nasty combo that increases the risk of atrial fibrillation. Testosterone seem to exacerbate this further. I have a 30s son and son-in-law. Both vaxxed, one boosted. Both exercise, run half marathons etc. Keeps me awake at night. I’d like them to get cardiac MRIs, because the raw risk is directly related to the level of any sub-clinical myocarditis.
  
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  December 16, 2022 6:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’d like my family members to do all sorts of things but as they are all mature adults, they insist on ignoring my misinformed medical advice.
    
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    December 16, 2022 6:55pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes agree. Had the racing heart plus fatigue etc…. all down to the [vac] injections IMO
    
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    December 16, 2022 7:40pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Just because the Falun Dafa are persecuted viciciously in China does not make their pathetic rag a credible news source. Perhaps you could read the actual paper and then provide an opinion based on your expertise in genetics, epidemiology, autoimmune responses, and common sense.
  
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  December 16, 2022 6:52pm
- surfing
  
  Must be true, Epochtimes haha. From YOUR own link!!!….
  
  “The reported incidence of (epi-)myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risks of hospitalization and death associated with COVID-19 are stated to be greater than the recorded risk associated with COVID-19 vaccination”
  
  You conveniently left that out…. why? Been there before? Yes.
  
  Of course, this research is needed and we need to learn more about myocarditis and vaccination, but you don’t help matters by misquoting with intent to deceive!
  
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  December 16, 2022 9:14pm
  - Ghost
    
    No, I never left it out, I provided the first bit of the article, anyone who wants to read it can click the magic link and go read it, not to hard to do now is it, even you worked out how to click the link.
    
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    December 16, 2022 9:25pm
greybeard

DPF: maybe you should set up a poll to see whether Hamilton or Christchurch is home to the most & worst NZ filth.
Both cities are simply feral and out of control.
Some really serious, permanent solutions are required to restore social sanity to them.
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December 16, 2022 6:26pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Kirikiriroa/Hamilton, at least, wins points for being on the developed island.
  
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  December 16, 2022 6:46pm
  - Jack5
    
    I looked up a Maori dictionary online to find the meaning of “Kirikiriroa”.
    
    It translated this as “Hamilton”. It translated “kirikiri” as gravel and “roa” as long, tall, slow. So “Kirikiriroa” perhaps “big gravel pit”.
    
    No problem with dual-language names, as long as Maori versions are used within Maori language and English versions are used within English.
    
    Surely that’s the point of having dual languages.
    
    Otherwise you have what is happening in NZ at present, the State-controlled Woke media bastardising English into an NZ Aotearoa Pidgin.
    
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    December 16, 2022 8:39pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Where did te reo hurt you, Jack?
      
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      December 16, 2022 9:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s a fairly unsubtle ad hominem ploy, Milky. No person with an IQ of 100 or more would fall for such a diversion.
        
        Interesting to see you lapse into NZ Aotearoa Pidgin though. 🙃
        
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        December 16, 2022 10:01pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And yet you bit. But the point, expressed less cogently, is the same. What deleterious effect is there on you due to the widespread use of Maori?
        
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        December 17, 2022 6:34am
Jack5

The country’s gone mad under Ardern.

It’s going to make smoking cigarettes illegal for young people. But look at what’s happening with crime.

Today a burglar who took from an Auckland police building a uniform, body armour, and weapons, is sentenced to a mere six months’ home detention.

No wonder the country is awash with criminal violence.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/auckland-police-building-burglary-tahu-brown-sentenced-for-theft-of-body-armour-uniform-and-weapons/TSTZ7KHKHZASHMKJFBB7GYUTK4/
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December 16, 2022 8:30pm
surfing

DOC being ridiculous about sea snakes who wash up on NZ beaches?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/live-venomous-snake-found-on-auckland-beach-woman-says-doc-told-her-to-let-it-free/Q74GCNSGCNEJDDE4OYI5MGO57Y/

Woman finds a deadly sea snake on an Auckland beach, and DOC tells her to leave it alone … so it could go on to kill some curious child or person. They were thinking about prosecuting her for goodness sake!
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December 16, 2022 8:54pm
- emmess
  
  Yup, here is an interesting story that involves a sea snake
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DGi-u2j5_w
  
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