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Warren

Fighting for Rotorua: Serious and ongoing breaches of Human Rights Act in Emergency Housing.
A report revealing Emergency Housing has prompted a National MP to discribe the Government as Rotorua’s “worst slumlord”.
A Human Rights Commission review into the country’s emergency housing released on Tuesday , found the system did not seem to adequately respond to the issue and breached the right to a decent home three times, including ” seriousand ongoing ” breaches relating to the lack of accountability.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fighting-for-rotorua-serious-and-ongoing-breaches-of-human-rights-act-in-emergency-housing/R5KZM5IYFVAEFN7C4TKEHNBL4Q/
It has sparked a strong reaction from Rotorua’s National MP Todd McClay who said in his view the Government was the City’s “worst slumlord”.
Micheal Joseph Savage would be turning in his grave at the inept job Labour has produced in this Housing Crisis.
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December 15, 2022 8:01am
- Harry Knuts
  
  It’s ok – Cindy apparently saved thousands from the streets and living in cars! to her this qualified as fixing a problem.
  Feeling sorry for the genuine cases that needed help that were grouped in with not-so-genuine scabs of the welfare system while being aligned to gangs and violence. Labour has turned Rotorua into a cesspit that no one in their right mind would visit till this town is cleaned up. Driving through Rotorua?? – lock ya doors!
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:33am
- cmm
  
  The only thing really preventing serious slums developing is that NZ has such small populations. If there was more density (eg. scaling Auckland up to 5 million people) then there would be serious slum situations.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:56am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And there will be when the high-density boxes currently being built are 30 years old.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:38am
    - Bob
      
      Captain, it will be a lot sooner than 30 years, look at present state of the Clark era redevelopment of some of the Glen Innis welfare housing
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:33am
  - Paulus
    
    With 800,000 New Zealanders living in Australia, we are told recently, and there are some 200,000 living elsewhere, we are actually some 4,000,000 not as Cindy says 5,000,000.
    If the March Census is accurate this time, which it was not last time, we will see possibly a more accurate analysis.
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:04am
    - Colville
      
      Cindy is right and you are not.
      
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      December 15, 2022 2:19pm
Tomtoddy

There was discussion on co-governance yesterday. The Waikato River Authority is held up as an example of co-governance working successfully. When asked how issues are resolved the General Manager said the Authority works well with no clashes or differences arising or that have not been resolved.

That sounds great. Good on them.

But wait. There are 10 members and eight of them are Māori and have iwi affiliations. Co-governance?? Working well?? Of course.
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December 15, 2022 8:03am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  Are all of those eight affiliated to the iwi or hapu which are kaitaiki for the awa?
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The what??? Could you give an English translation for us foreign invaders who haven’t learned the official language? Most other countries offer this as a simple courtesy. I don’t own a Maori – English dictionary and I won’t be purchasing one any time soon. Cheers.
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:13am
    - artemisia
      
      Dictionary not a lot of help when the virtue signaller spells it incorrectly.
      
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      December 15, 2022 8:34am
      - kowtow
        
        “Regular” dictionaries going the same way .
        
        Commies winning on every front.
        
        ‘The Cambridge Dictionary has updated its definition of ‘woman’ and ‘man’ to include people who identify as a gender other than their biological sex.’
        
        https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/cambridge-dictionary-alters-the-definition-of-man-and-woman-3604953
        
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        December 15, 2022 10:48am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      We’re not “foreign invaders” or at least I’m not. I was born here and so were the last 6 generations of my family.
      
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      December 15, 2022 8:50am
      - Linda Wright
        
        After 6 generations…. my grandchildren are all Australian.
        
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        December 15, 2022 9:33am
      - tedbear
        
        That makes you an indigenous New Zealander.
        
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        December 15, 2022 12:19pm
    - Yabster
      
      why even reply to the troll?
      
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      December 15, 2022 10:36am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Wouldn’t have a clue Mikey. Just stop the pretence of “co-governance” and promoting it as the sweet, kind way co-governance can work. It was supposed to be a 50/50 deal but somehow it got derailed.
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Co-Governance is all in here.
      https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:18am
  - Paulus
    
    Milken….
    They are what for what ?
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:23am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Why don’t you do your own research?
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:51am
    - krazykiwi
      
      ‘Cos trolls gonna troll
      
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      December 15, 2022 9:33am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Oh the irony when a white invader signals his virtue – and cant spell for shit.
    
    Nice try honky bro 😛
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:25am
    - Swifty
      
      Hahahaha!
      
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      December 15, 2022 10:53am
  - JJ56
    
    5 directly appointed by trusts and on the other 5 the Min of Maori Affairs is to be consulted.
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:26am
  - Cassandra
    
    Kaitiaka are? Also, don’t the rest of us have a say in this important river? And isn’t the water owned by all (or none)?
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:38am
    - kowtow
      
      Owned by all. Too funny .
      Yesterday senior former Nat figures deploring how far co governance has gone .
      But the Nats , if I’m not mistaken , were the power behind the river giveaway .
      
      Thanks for nothing.
      
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      December 15, 2022 10:52am
  - thetiedarch
    
    Hey Mike, if you’re going to try to ram the language down our throats, you could at least spell it correctly. It’s ‘Kaitiaki’ – meaning guardian.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:01am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Apologies to any of you woke folk offended by my misspellings. Comment in haste; repent at leisure.
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Fuckin hell, Mike apologised.
      Careful now, Jaspinda might catch on.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:21am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        Seymour got an apology out of her finally (after asking for an apology for something else)
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:38am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Working well. Except for water shortages in Auckland from time to time. Whilst all that water from the Waikato flows out into the sea……
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Under 3 waters and Co-Governance Maori will own the ocean 50 km out from land.
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:23am
    - Nickc2
      
      True! Forget the benevolence of the so-called owners of the Waikato River, Akld and points North and South are different tribes and they can’t have any water from the river unless . . . . . . . .
      “Hey Wirimu, them mf’s in Akld want some water. What’s the OCR plus 25% plus GST worth today?” Nanaia asked.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Plus 10% for the big guy (Mahutacorp)
        
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        December 15, 2022 12:45pm
- Matt Long
  
  It would be interesting to hear from some of the co-governed residents in the area as to how things are truly working.
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:29am
- Ehlana
  
  How is it co-governance if there are 80% Maori representatives and only 20% represent the other 84% of the population?
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:37am
mandk

I keep hearing adverts for the show, Hamilton, but I think the government should make them call it Kirikiriroa, cos we live in Aotearoa.

So there
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December 15, 2022 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I grew up there (don’t tell anyone) We never heard that, it was just Hamilton.
  The lake was Hamilton Lake, not Rotoroa
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:28am
  - Flossie
    
    I used to live there for a while too. Was it about 5 years ago that Maori name for Hamilton snuck its way in to use?
    
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    December 15, 2022 12:16pm
    - mandk
      
      What changed about 5 years ago, I wonder
      
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      December 15, 2022 12:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Could be a question that Jaspinda could answer – without lying.
        Nah! She would fuck up (divert) Rotoroa as meaning Rotavirus, Rotorua, or something.
        
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        December 15, 2022 4:47pm
artemisia

AUT academics and their union seem to have turned away from their initial shocked response to the big redundancy picture and are now complaining about the process and “targeted attacks”. Attacks because reasons. Like bosses don’t like me, I’ve been outspoken, I took maternity leave.

Presume they were not on the ‘fight to keep’ list – maybe that might give them a clue why they are on the other list.

Huge numbers of employees have lost their jobs over the past few decades, and plenty more recently due to mandates, borders and recession coming. These academics are going to get decent taxpayer funded payouts so better off than many.

In the real retrenchment world, there is a process and lists. AUT will have been well aware of push back from (underemployed) staff and followed the process. And guess what, academic petals, other things being equal you are rather more likely to stay on the DCM list if your boss doesn’t like you.

It is life in the real world, just will never be said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300763704/aut-academics-concerned-mass-redundancies-have-turned-into-targeted-attacks
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December 15, 2022 8:06am
Souvlaki

Is there no end to the arrogance of some Maori cultural proponents? Did anyone hear the incoherent babbling of the ‘ organiser’ of the protest in Kaitaia yesterday?
Chris Trotters latest salvo worth a read:
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/12/15/kaipara-a-struggle-for-political-legitimacy-and-cultural-power/
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December 15, 2022 8:06am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Some outfit called the Aotearoa liberation league have a lot of postings on colonialism, the Kaipara Mayor’s stance on karakia and related. Some rather fancy words and eloquence but stripped of that is “do it our way or else”. They are trying to state a karakia isn’t religious but that doesn’t rub. Now they are demanding a protest.
  
  They are emboldened by the Government’s claptrap on co-governance. All this is going to end in tears – serious tears if not violence. Inflaming situations with indistinct and nebulous terms like “de-colonisation” sounds smart and knowledgeable but it is gradually ripping our society apart. Bad enough young stroppy part-Maori but I get fed up with pathetic pakeha trying to be cute and elitist climbing into this stuff.
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They can state karakia isn’t religious as much as they like… but while every day’s record of “Hansard” includes: Karakia/Prayers, I’ll not believe them.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20221214_20221214_08
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:50am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have found that there are some migrants who go deep down the Maori rabbit hole. A met a Canadian guy in Christchurch who insisted on speaking to me in Radio New Zealand English. He mocked me for not knowing the Maori name for Christchurch. I walked away and refused to do business with him.
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:05am
    - mandk
      
      Canadians, including their PM, are even more virtue-signalling and authoritarian-minded than a lot of Kiwis and our PM.
      
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      December 15, 2022 9:17am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The guy actually asked me “How long have you been in New Zealand?” with a smirk on his face. He was a potential client. No way.
        
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        December 15, 2022 9:51am
      - Random T Person
        
        I have seriously never met a Canadian I like, and I have met a lot of Canadians. Sure, they are nice, but in every case, they have proven to be insincerely nice in a cloying, irritating way. Maybe it’s me, but-
        
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        December 15, 2022 10:12am
      - Ghost
        
        When I was a kid we had two Canadian pensioners that would spend their winter with us, nicest people I ever knew.
        
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        December 15, 2022 10:45am
    - Apteryx
      
      Yes, immigrants are often the worst. Case in point: a recent arrival from Australia reading (from an app he later promoted) a Maori prayer over some snacks at a central government agency. The group of eaters came from a range of countries and ethnic backgrounds, but none were apparently Maori.
      
      The zealotry of immigrant public servants probably comes from a desire to ‘fit in’, where chanting Maori prayers at meetings is not only acceptable but required for acceptance and career progression.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:02am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Would she be able to speak on a marae?
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, as commented on last evening.
  The guy on the HDPA show has the right to free speech.
  However, if I, as a white person, went on the radio at prime time and ranted the outright racist rhetoric that the Maori man contributed, I would have been shut down real quick and reported to the police/race relations commissioner/and the government.
  Instead, Ms HDP Allan said nothing and allowed the guy almost 10 minutes of uninterrupted air time to racially slur a town’s mayor.
  Not good enough.
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:18am
  - rockape
    
    I think it was the right thing to do. It showed him up as racist, a separatist and fool.And it was all done with his own words.
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:25am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @rockape,
      Yes, understand that viewpoint, but the fact remains that if I had spoken publicly the same way about Maori, I would have been shut down immediately – no question – and probably investigated for being an extremist, white, racist.
      Is this what we have come to? One law for me and another for thee?
      
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      December 15, 2022 8:35am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes that is what we have come to.
        
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        December 15, 2022 9:07am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Loddenthinks – me neither, I am a strong supporter and lover of NZ and although not born here, I have adopted it as my home. Over 30 years now. My wife is many generations NZ and my children are NZ.
        But the repeated bitching about the “negative impacts of colonialism” gives me the impression that this is the message being driven into many young maori these days. A recipe for complete disaster. A deliberate policy by Ardern and co.
        
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        December 15, 2022 9:25am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        To quote the single source of truth, “yip, yip, that’s exactly what it is……..”
        
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        December 15, 2022 9:26am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Blaming one race or group for the poor circumstances of another worked so well in Hitler’s Germany didn’t it? And Rwanda and the Balkans in the 90’s. Kulaks in the 1930’s. (Ukraine), Pol Pots efforts, Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, evolving efforts in crumbling RSA… and here we have an ignorant and destructive far-left wing govt made up of unhinged/delusional Marxist indoctrinated humanities grads, stoked up by self serving race-grifters, indulging in that same ‘othering’ behaviour and imagining it will miraculously turn out better this time.
        
        Just like all the other times it didn’t.
        
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        December 15, 2022 9:37am
    - pdm
      
      Agreed Rocky.
      
      The man made a fool of himself as far as I am concerned.
      
      HDPA is having a good week – she scuttled the unbearable Michael Wood a couple of days ago too. He was no better when he was back last night
      
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      December 15, 2022 8:38am
      - Biscuit
        
        pdm, if youre waiting for Michael Wood to be ‘better’ you might as well join the equally-unlikely-to-happen ‘Football’s Coming Home!’ brigade from Ingerlund!
        
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        December 15, 2022 10:51am
      - kowtow
        
        Biscuit ;
        
        Michael “River of Filth” Wood .
        
        Never forget , never forgive.
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:00am
      - Paulus
        
        Isn’t Wood the new Labour Messiah after Ardern (soon hopefully).
        A true Unionist, who are backing him, as they have the numbers, even over the Maori Caucus.
        They are the financial Payer of the Piper.
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:10am
- G152
  
  Every race and creed should be allowed to have their traditional say at those meetings then.
  They dont want to appear racist
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:21am
  - alloytoo
    
    Or nobody. I prefer nobody.
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:33am
    - Ehlana
      
      I suggest opening the meeting room slightly ahead of the start of the meeting so that those who wish to meditate, pray, bless or otherwise spiritually engage with the meeting to come can do so silently and in their own time.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:43am
      - Gravelroad
        
        @ Ehlana-
        It was stated on HDPA show yesterday that the Mayor had offered that Council electeds would have an opportunity at the start of meetings to contribute a short statement – whether that be a karakia, Christian/Muslim/Hindu prayer etc, hippy mantra,
        Other.
        But they would have to take a turn.
        This was not acceptable to Maori.
        
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        December 15, 2022 12:07pm
  - cmm
    
    They tried that at the last Pacific Islands Forum (or whatever it is called). After all the greetings and poi-waving for tens of cultures had finished, they were well into the second day. Enough time left to do some quick shopping at duty free stores and all go home.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t know how Trotter got the Paniora 1, Jepson nil result.
  Paniora needs to understand who is in charge. She got her karakia in her maiden speech.
  But the protest was just a bunch of no hopers wound up by Dame Naida Glavish. She was in full lunatic mode.
  A non Media summary is here:
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Craig-Preston-Mayor-part-3-3.pdf
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 people were supposed to speak. Once again, Maori broke the rules and 10 spoke.
    That is the future of the disrespectful rubbish NZ will put up with unless the rulings are enforced.
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:45am
  - Paulus
    
    Was Panapia elected or selected ?
    
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    December 15, 2022 1:18pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Pera Paniora
      Councillor Te Moananui o Kaipara Māori Ward
      Elected by those on the Maori Roll.
      
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      December 15, 2022 1:37pm
- oldfella
  
  TV3 did a report last night on their 6pm bulletin which wrongly reported the Mayor’s actual suggested compromise (something which TV1 managed to get right in their report).
  TV3 said the Mayor’s compromise would now allow karakia before each meeting, but not at the end of each meeting, which was still offensive ‘cos that’s not the way Maori do such things.
  
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  December 15, 2022 1:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “cos that’s not the way Maori do such things.”
    TV3 and ALL NZ media need to understand Maori can do as they want – as long as it follows Ngati Pakeha Council rules.
    By all means, change the rules when at a Council Meeting, but the rules don’t just change because Dame Rangimārie Naida Glavish wants it her way.
    
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    December 15, 2022 4:55pm
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Feliĉan Zamenhof-tagon!
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December 15, 2022 8:07am
- Local Miller
  
  Really? You couldn’t just add a bit of explanation? Not everyone knows the history of Esperanto.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:20am
  - cmm
    
    There’s a very good reason for that. Esperanto was a useless idea pushed by globalists.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:25am
    - Biscuit
      
      cmm, many many years ago when I was a fresh-out-of-school, (temporarily)-un-carred, wet-behind-the-ears tolerant-of-pedants sort of soul I had to catch the same morning train into Wellington each workday…
      
      And each and every day there would be this strange soul who would sit in the same carriage as me and lecture me about Esperanto…
      
      It took me a while to realise that I was just about his only captive audience. Everyone else had long in that carraiage had long since invested in an earphoned pocket transistor radio to listen to instead…
      
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      December 15, 2022 10:57am
      - Gravelroad
        
        @Biscuit-
        As a young (very young) newspaper reporter in a small town , I was usually the innocent mug sent out to report on weird things going on at the time.
        Alternative groups and cultists would do the rounds of the gullible looking for publicity and recruits.
        Esperanto was one that I had to report on. Didn’t understand a word of it. Just made it up.
        Likewise some “laying on of hands” tricksters wearing long white robes, who implored me to surrender to them and actually blocked my rapid exit from the room. I was supposed to “submit to the powers of love” etc.
        The reporters room had a good laugh over that.
        
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        December 15, 2022 12:21pm
    - Taieri
      
      Esperanto was a useless idea pushed by globalists.
      ———–
      
      Ludwik Lazarz Zamenhof, the inventor of Esperanto wasn’t a “globalist”. He was an idealist and an accomplished linguist, speaking several languages. Having been born in a multicultural city and observing animosities between its inhabitants he’d reached the conclusion that the main reason for prejudices and misunderstanding between various ethnic groups is the lack of a common language in which they could communicate and which would promote mutual trust between them.
      Esperanto means “hope”. Never fulfilled of course, but it’s not entirely Zamenhof’s fault. Once upon a time there’s been a widespread interest in learning Esperanto, but even now there number of its speakers reaches some hundreds of thousands. I’ve had the pleasure of listening to a few conversations in this language and although never before exposed to it, I could easily understand quite a few words and a general sense of the conversation.
      
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      December 15, 2022 12:07pm
krazykiwi

It’s pretty clear there will be a change of government. The old will be harshly eulogised, while the new will be given a messianic welcome.

But then what? Other than surface-level statements I see little evidence that Luxon understands, let alone has any plan for the restructuring of New Zealand society. For example example he shows zero awareness of New Zealand following other once liberal democracies down the UN/WEF subservience rabbit hole.

So my message to Luxon is this: Don’t tell us what you’ll repeal. That is flimsy surface-feature stuff. Pitch a compelling vision of a new New Zealand, one where the neo-Marxist poison of previous governments is replaced with freedom and liberty for all.
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December 15, 2022 8:07am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  plan for the restructuring of New Zealand society
  
  Please provide an outline of your preferred five-year plans. Can I call you ‘Commissar’, or will you have some different title?
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Restructuring was a suboptimal word. What NZ desperately need is ‘rebasing’, with one law for all, and end to racial privilege, a strengthening of social cohesion etc. You lot have wrecked the country, milky. Time for wiser heads to prevail.
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Rebuilding together – Labour 2020
      https://www.labour.org.nz/budget2020
      
      Labour _Recover & Rebuild
      https://www.labour.org.nz/week_that_was_05062
      
      Wouldn’t it just be easier to Reset?
      https://www.weforum.org/focus/the-great-reset
      (after we have reflected and reimagined)
      
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      December 15, 2022 9:13am
  - Matt Long
    
    Christmas is a difficult time for many people, loneliness, depression, substance abuse, some people with a deep sense of inferiority lash out, if you are feeling down you can go to the salvation army or maybe it might be fun to stay at the YMCA…
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:25am
    - Inandout
      
      Matt, will I meet The Village People at the ‘Y’?
      
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      December 15, 2022 8:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s where they live.
        Can you get their autographs please?
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:52am
  - Its only I
    
    Are stuff comments closed again today Mike the mic’d up Mike of all Mikes?
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:26am
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      Has Morgan Godfrey contracted with Stuff a permanent ban on comments being opened on his “opinions’ ?
      
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      December 15, 2022 10:31am
      - Biscuit
        
        kiwikidsnz, I ceased ‘taking’ Stuff (or, more correctly, its print-sheet co-propagandist outfit ‘The Dominion Post’, many moons ago.
        
        I keep being invited, on Stuff’s website, to contribute my money to their coffers so they can keep offering me ‘valuable insights’ and ‘top-class journalism.’
        
        I expected no reply – and sure as hell never got one – but I Lettered to the Editor to the effect tha tI’d only make any financial contributions if he/she could assure me that every comment any article they published could be commented on, whether it be good, bad or indifferent to the point(s) being promoted.
        
        Kiwiblog – bless DPF’s woolly socks – at least allows such comments. Many of which I disagree with – hell, some folk even disagree with MY comments! – but we are, by and large, rounded folk who are able to cope with vigorous debate.
        
        Stuff, in the meantime, persists with an ‘Aren’t Jassy’s mob wonderful?’ take on things that often has me wondering what colour the sky is on Planet Journalism…
        
        Probably Red, I guess, heh…
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You’d need to ask Brenda about that. She’s the one who has shredded the fabric of the country, destroyed what unity there once was, demolished business prospects and drained the majority of people of hope in their futures. She has incited racial division in a manner I haven’t seen in my life. Is she completely inept or is everything going exactly to plan?
    
    Maybe this is how she gets her master’s “Great Reset.” Destroy the country then “build back better?”
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:05am
  - Cassandra
    
    Pathetic, mike, you can and should do better. Is sensible debate beyond you or are you determined to prove you’re just a troll?
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You write ‘troll’ as if it were a bad thing.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:06am
      - Local Miller
        
        And rightly so
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:20am
  - Jethrod
    
    sarc// ?
    
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    December 15, 2022 12:39pm
- Chris R
  
  That’s a bit harsh! I think Mr Luxon needs to yell out what he’ll repeal and do so now! (Which is happening.) The Te Puapua and co-governance rubbish has to go on day one. Once that is attended to the way forward can be planned and executed free of the hatred which underpins the vile filth the Ardern circus has been promoting.
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:18am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Co-governance and Te Puapua are symptoms. We need leadership that goes after the root causes.
    
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    December 15, 2022 8:59am
  - MCōs
    
    I think there’s already a long list of stuff Mr Luxon and others have promised to repeal.
    Some of its pretty easy like the Hamilton train and the Clean Car Discount.
    Some things haven’t come into law yet such as the income insurance scheme.
    Scrapping the high income tax has been shelved already.
    The interesting ones are going to be 3-waters and the Māori Health Authority, which could be well developed by the time they take over.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130273077/12-things-the-national-party-says-it-will-repeal-reverse-and-scrap
    
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    December 15, 2022 2:24pm
- kowtow
  
  Party vote Act for a coaltion with at least some back bone.
  
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  December 15, 2022 8:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – there really is a dearth of inspirational people in NZ politics. It’s depressing at times.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yup. It’s not just New Zealand, either. Sustained voter apathy has allowed the useless to gravitate towards power, while the capable generally stay away.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:16am
    - Flossie
      
      In a country of about 330 million Trump v Biden was the best on offer in the USA. Why would you imagine our small country is going to come up with anything better. I know our government is quite awful, but we are lucky to have the standard of opposition MPs we do have.
      
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      December 15, 2022 12:13pm
Nickc2

Another Mahuta mandate (compulsory Maori Wards on Council) turns ugly. Maori activists confront Kaipara Mayor over compulsory Maori prayers at Council Meetings.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/480771/karakia-protest-kaipara-mayor-stands-firm-in-wake-of-hikoi-of-hundreds
Note the racist statement made by Dame Naida Glavish.
“We will not tolerate ignorance, arrogance or racism,”
IMO, Kaipara ratepayers can feel proud of their Mayor for standing his ground.
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December 15, 2022 8:23am
- herb1
  
  “ we will not tolerate, ignorance ,arrogance or racism”.
  I thought that was the basis of Maori activism and Co Governance
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:00am
- Blog-aholic
  
  For a woman that sems to hate everything colonial she sure loves her Damehood.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:00am
  - Nickc2
    
    Will next year’s New Years’ Honours List include Dame Nanaia Mahuta as she bows out of Politics in order to pay more attention to Maori Activism?
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She is part of the Maori Elite.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:57am
  - Cassandra
    
    Noting that Sir is Tā, why not something for Dame?
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Kahurangi is the term being used for Dame.
      
      ….Kahurangi Kiri Te Kananawa
      
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      December 15, 2022 10:25am
  - Richard
    
    These activist types are hypocrites. Take Rawiri and his cowboy hat as an example. It’s as bad as these Green anti -capitalist clowns who decry ‘big business’ while posting on Twitter with their iPhone. You want to decolonise NZ? hand over your car keys and drivers license and take your Waka to work, if your colonist employer hasn’t closed down.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:17am
    - Swifty
      
      Or they are university faculty, in their ivory towers, earning waaaay above the average salary – casting their pearls before us swine.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:11am
- JerJer
  
  If I was the mayor and they let me know, “we will not tolerate, ignorance ,arrogance or racism”. I would say, “Good, nice to know. If I see any I will be sure to let you know. We have rate payers business to deal with here, using rate payers money. Goodbye”.
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:19am
- Paulus
  
  Wow, coming from Glavish that’s a pearler !
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Never go full retard, but she did.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:56am
Tomtoddy

Random questions. How many armed police followed the Auckland Islamic terrorist – Samsudeen – around 24/7 before he was shot, in case he carried out the regular threats he made?

Allowing for shifts, would there have 3 or 4??? What did it cost us as taxpayers? Are there others out there getting the same expensive company?? Wouldn’t jail be cheaper and safer?
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December 15, 2022 8:27am
- cmm
  
  3 or 4? No, more like 20.
  
  There are surely at least 2 cops in a detail like that.
  Cops work 40 hour weeks like everyone else, minus sick days, holidays, leave. Then there’s also retraining time and time in the office doing paperwork etc and travel time to the location.
  As a result, it would be lucky if one of these cops can deliver 20 hours of actual time on the task per week.
  
  To cover 24/7 with 2 cops that needs 17 cops (ie. 24 * 7 * 2/20). Then some supervisor time etc and other staff overheads for their deployment. So 20 cops all up.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:07am
- MCōs
  
  Another, but similar, issue is highlighted by the murders of the three people in Queensland by a family of ‘sovereign citizens’.
  There’s plenty of people of vaguely the same ilk here who openly talk about executing public figures they despise.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    Such people need to be arrested or at least monitored very, very closely.
    
    Threatening to kill is a Crime.
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:33am
    - MCōs
      
      That guy in the supermarket was market was monitored by a legion of armed coppers, but he still caused mayhem.
      Nobody even knew about the Trains, or Tarrant.
      
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      December 15, 2022 9:47am
      - cmm
        
        They don’t know about everyone, but you reduce the impact by restraining people that are the highest risk.
        
        This bloke was in no fit state to be walking around society. He wasn’t an unknown. He should never have been on the streets.
        
        They had 20 cops on his case and that was ineffective. Ridiculous. Lock him up.
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:03am
      - Keith White
        
        Tarrant’s travel history – and his admiration of the ChiCom political system “uber alles” was well known to the NZ Govt.
        
        NZ Police vetted him as fit and proper to get a firearms licence – and even signed off on him buying ammunition ‘long-distance.’
        
        Tarrant’s atrocity did not take place in a vacuum of NZ authority and Govt / Immigration / Police oversight.
        
        I was overseas for work during the time of his massacre and his manifesto was widely distributed and reviewed and commented on in the EU media at the time.
        
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        December 15, 2022 8:19pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Public School principles; schools certainly attract some interesting characters.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Who are they? I am sure they are being monitored by the authorities.
    
    Wasn’t Tarrant on a watchlist but there were errors in the processes whereby he managed to legally acquire weapons, even though there were plenty of signals that he shouldn’t have been able to?
    Other than actual psychopaths, the vast majority of people aren’t born this way, they are a product of their environment and circumstances. To quote John Perkins, author of the bestseller ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman.’
    
    “I never met anyone who wanted to be a terrorist.”
    
    Another instance of tragic loss of life, particularly a couple of young, serving police officers. The young rookie who managed to escape may well never recover mentally. What a horrific experience.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:24am
- NothingLeft
  
  yes, and there are mechanisms to permanently incarcerate nutters (for which belief in goodness of murdering infidels counts high in my book) in mental health facilities. There are (unpleasant) ways, basically amounting to extended low-level torture, of de-programming people. Like what communist countries practices at large scale through 20th century, what North Korea does all the time in its concentration camps, and China is doing now to Uighers.
  
  How about law allowing permanent incarceration of people who believe that killing others is justified for religious reasons, but allow them to choose permanent exile (if any country is willing to take them).
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How this mentally disturbed, lying individual ever got refugee status in NZ needs investigation.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahamed_Samsudeen
  
  His family were well aware that he wasn’t the full quid when they sent him to NZ.
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Our first ever plane hijacking was another.
    
    But the regime constantly lies to the NZ public saying we get the pick of the crop.
    
    The so called fourth estste , whose duty is to hold power to account , certainly won’t be asking any questions.
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:21am
- Paulus
  
  I think the Lady on TVNZ last evening deserves New Zealand’s highest bravery award.
  The scars that she shows are one thing, and are horrific, with more operations to come.
  But her attitude was a delight to hear, not what I believe we would normally here.
  She and her husband were from South Africa, and remained happy to be here.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:17am
  - cmm
    
    I didn’t see that, but people from SA have often been through a lot of highly traumatic experiences. Being misgendered is unlikely to be a big deal.
    
    Every person from SA has family members who have been robbed at gunpoint etc.
    
    In my case:
    * My sister, mother, sister in law have all been robbed at gunpoint.
    * My sister in law was burgled by numerous intruders while the whole family was home and they all pretended to be asleep.
    * My cousin’s husband was robbed, beaten up and left in a ditch for dead.
    * My mother had three of her old-biddy friends murdered in their own homes.
    * I have shot someone.
    * I have had two events where I just got away with my life by outrunning my pursuers.
    
    And that’s nothing special. Everyone from SA can tell you stories like that.
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:45am
Paulus

I read the comments made by Ardern about the “retiring leaving Labour Members”.
They are insignificant no bodies any wa and I suspect that their places have already beenfilled by more faithful lefties – probably more women and unionists.
More to follow along with thos who will lose their jobs anyway.
It is said that Mt Albert is vunerable, so expect to see as she is so busy overseas that she and Robertson will stand as Labour List 1 & 2.
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December 15, 2022 8:28am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I’m hoping that they go down so badly in the election, that they do not get any list seats!
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:58am
krazykiwi

It is one year today that the final phase of Ardern’s zero-Covid fantasy crumbled : The ridiculous ‘Auckland border’ was abandoned.

Her next WEF party trick was? Yip, yip, you guessed it. Dividing society by vaccination status rather than by geography.

New Zealand has never had a PM who was as stupid and as wicked in equal measure.
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December 15, 2022 8:39am
Rusty

Watched David Seymour on the Bolt report last night being far too nice on Jacindas arrogant prick swipe at him.

She apologised and it’s a Kiwi thing Seymour said.

He could have said something like it’s inappropriate for a PM to talk like that… Anyway I still think David is one of the nicer blokes in NZ politics.
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December 15, 2022 8:45am
- mandk
  
  Nicer is relative.
  
  He subscribed to the vaccine mandate policy.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mandk – isn’t it incredible that of 120 apparent “representatives” of the population of NZ, not a single one openly opposed this tyrannical policy?
    It has only been since they got a whiff of political opportunity that they changed position.
    Winston is a classic example.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes it was amazing episode. Putting aside for one moment the moral and constitutional issues, it became clear that the efficacy of the vaccines at preventing transmission declined to close to zero over about 8 months, and even at day 1 they were not that flash. That totally negates the science premise of “vaccine mandates”.
      
      The PM never acknowledged this. Neither did the Opposition. I initially accepted on face value the “95 percent effective” number. (Although I still would have opposed vaccine mandates on ethical grounds.) I was reading all the emerging data every day. The truth became clear quickly. Yet there was no reporting of this picture in the New Zealand media and no politician ever mentioned it.
      
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      December 15, 2022 10:43am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Benedict – at what point did you discover the difference between Relative Risk Reduction and Absolute Risk Reduction? It was a breakthrough moment for me.
        
        I had doubted the Pfizer claims instinctively, due to knowledge of their prior illegal and morally bankrupt activities, but when I came across an article describing the difference between them it was an eye opener.
        
        Simply put, Absolute Risk Reduction is the only way to identify the true context of something reported in a clinical trial. It’s usually a much smaller number than Relative Risk Reduction (RRR)
        
        “Much smaller” is a massive understatement. The ARR for the Pfizer jab as around 0.7%!!!
        This was an astonishing act of pure disinformation by Ardern and Medsafe. Talk about lack of “informed consent.”
        It was probably around this point that the switch totally flipped for me and I realised this was no longer some silly mistake that would all be sorted out once the truth was known.
        I found this out the hard way when I wrote to Medsafe, Baker, Ardern, Bloomfield, Hipkins, Bishop, Wiles and Hendy asking them why this extremely important fact was being left out. That the RRR number was meaningless without referencing the ARR. Tumbleweed.
        
        Suppression of information and control of narrative are among the worst possible things any government can do to citizens. We are witnessing the fallout, complete loss of trust in them, the media and the medical institutions. It’s tragic.
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:30am
      - virtualmark
        
        In late-2020 I listened to Pfizer scientific reps talking about their vaccine. They were very clear that the vaccine would not stop transmission. (reduce it somewhat, but not stop it). The vaccine was intended to protect against serious hospitalisations and deaths, not transmission.
        
        I gather that vaccines for upper respiratory tract infections are difficult (infection & replication happen quickly, faster than the immune system can rally). And that immune system responses to colds and flus is temporary, not permanent (which is a major reason why we all keep getting the flu/cold anew each year). There was a detailed scientific discussion about this but I am not a doctor or medical specialist and the deep scientific detail lost me a little.
        
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        December 15, 2022 2:06pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The explanation that stuck with me is this:
        
        There are 3 key dimensions to your body’s response to a Covid infection:
        1. Is your immune system quick or slow to recognise it’s been infected?
        2. Is your immune system able to mount a strong or weak response?
        3. Do you have any complicating factors? (obesity etc)
        
        Leaving aside the 3rd dimension for a moment, the other 2 give you a 2×2 matrix of possibilities:
        A. Quick & strong = you’ll have a mild experience, even without a vaccination, but vaccination should still help to reduce viral load > lesser transmissibility.
        B. Quick & weak = unvaccinated will get quite sick, vaccination will make a moderate difference.
        C. Slow & strong = unvaccinated will get quite sick, vaccination will make a big difference because it teaches your immune system to better (ie faster) recognise the infection.
        D. Slow & weak = unvaccinated will likely end up hospitalised or worse, vaccinated will still likely get quite sick but shouldn’t die.
        
        Most younger people (70yo) are likely to be outcome D. Difficult is that for the rest it’s really hard (basically impossible at scale) to diagnose if your immune systems is fast/slow or strong/weak. So the simplest option is to vaccinate everyone in that group.
        
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        December 15, 2022 2:13pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Sigh. The commenting format is messing with the last paragraph of the comment above because I used less than and greater than symbols. What it should say is:
        
        Most younger people (up to 40yo) should be outcome A. Most older people (80yo and higher) are likely to be outcome D. With the group in the middle it’s difficult (impossible at scale) to find out if their immune system is fast/slow or strong/weak. So it’s best to vaccinate everyone from 40yo upwards because:
        1. It’s the right medical course of action for a non-trivial number of them who could die
        2. It’s the right public health and public finance course of action to reduce the cost/workload on finite health resource.
        
        Personally I’ve not been convinced of a need for a vaccine mandate for the up-to-40yo cohort. Make it available, leave it to them to decide. To me the main rationale for compulsory vaccination for that cohort would be that you’re trying to reduce their viral load to slow down transmission. But I’m not sure that cost:benefit story is compelling.
        
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        December 15, 2022 2:27pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        And hence Bloomfield slithers into the never never as the science becomes clearer.
        
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        December 15, 2022 2:45pm
    - mandk
      
      I felt, and still feel, betrayed by all 120 of them.
      
      That’s why I have joined Democracy NZ. It appals me that the government can ignore the Bill of Rights at it’s pleasure.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:23am
      - coge
        
        It showed a very ugly side of the NZ character, when the entire 120 quickly and eagerly embraced the widespread segregation of their constituents. One wonders how far they’d have gone, if their program of discrimination had been increased by an equal further measure. All evidence suggests they’d have remained unwavering in their participation and support.
        
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        December 15, 2022 12:27pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      virtualmark – please send me a link to the Pfizer people stating in late 2020 that the vaccine wouldn’t stop transmission. I missed that one. Most people I know got the jab because they thought it was going to stop them catching covid.
      
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      December 15, 2022 2:52pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Clan,
        
        I was involved in the buying of the vaccines. That’s where I heard the transmissibility angle.
        
        But I see Reuters have a fact check story on this issue too, at https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-pfizer-vaccine-transmission-idUSL1N31F20E
        
        The clear message was that the vaccine was intended to prevent serious disease – the level that leads to hospitalisation and/or death. Somewhere in the line from Pfizer to the politicians that got embellished.
        
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        December 15, 2022 3:30pm
      - virtualmark
        
        ^^
        
        virtualmark political truth number 1: All politicians lie.
        
        virtualmark political truth number 2: 95% of all politicians will put their own self-interest ahead of your interests.
        
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        December 15, 2022 3:40pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        virtualmark – no offence, but I hold “fact checkers” in even less regard than Michael Baker or Jacinda Ardern, and they are pretty low when it comes to my opinion of them.
        
        Yes, I saw the Pfizer executive state they never tested for it. Yes I heard the gaslighting afterwards stating it was never designed to prevent transmission. The fact that video went viral is all the proof needed that the majority of people were led to believe that it did stop transmission.
        
        Add to that, if it was known it didn’t stop transmission then what was the point of vaccine passes?
        
        No, this thing looks like, sounds like and walks like a duck. It’s a duck.
        
        No Pfizer don’t get away with saying “we told you it isn’t designed to stop transmission.”
        
        Too many lies, too much gaslighting. There is no explaining the last couple of years away. It was and is the most destructive man made event in history outside of major wars. It has a long way to go before the final toll will be known.
        
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        December 15, 2022 5:43pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Clan, here’s a simple pragmatic test.
        
        Assumption: On average Kiwis & Aussies are broadly as healthy as Americans & Poms, and have broadly similar health systems. In other words, the average Kiwi is about as healthy as the average Pom, and the Kiwi public health system provides broadly the same level of service as the NHS (for example).
        
        So:
        – The first big Covid wave hit the US & UK *before* the population was mass vaccinated. Hospitals were overwhelmed, they had to bring in freezer trucks to act as temporary morgues, there weren’t enough beds/ventilators/oxygen etc etc. And many people died at home because they couldn’t even get to a hospital.
        – The first big Covid wave hit Australia & NZ *after* the population was mass vaccinated (because we’d been able to lock down our borders and wait until vaccines were available). At no stage has our hospital system been overwhelmed, or even under material stress. We haven’t had to do emergency measures like freezing bodies in trucks, getting the Army to put up emergency hospitals, etc etc.
        
        So what’s driven the difference between US/UK experience and the NZ/Au experience?
        
        Another simple example: The UK PM caught Covid and nearly died in an ICU, the NZ PM caught Covid and had a few days at home. What drove the difference?
        
        Vaccines have materially reduced the severity of Covid infections. The evidence of that is as simple as comparing countries that got hit before and after vaccines became available.
        
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        December 15, 2022 6:18pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Yes, or in New Zealand we were hit by omicron which is more contagious but less of an impact to health.
        Or we live in a high sunlight county which means D³ deficiency is less of an issue.
        Or the run on hospitals in the US/UK was caused by contagious hysteria, and NY State authorities deliberately turning rest homes into Covid incubators.
        
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        December 15, 2022 6:52pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Matt,
        
        Omicron’s fatality rate among immunologically naive patients is the same as the OG Covid. Yes it is more transmissible. It is similarly severe.
        
        The big hit in the US & UK was May to August 2020 … their summer. And if it were just a case of Vitamin D levels then they could have quickly & cheaply dosed the population.
        
        Again, the simple pragmatic “Occams Razor” answer is that the mass vaccinations had a huge effect on the severity of the infections NZ & Au experienced, and spared many deaths and an overwhelmed health system.
        
        If you’ll allow me to be politically incorrect though … one big difference between NZ and the US/UK/Aus is that we have more Polynesians and, on average, they are more obese, particularly if elderly. I haven’t seen any attribution of NZ’s Covid deaths but I suspect there are a lot of obese people in there … and while the vaccinations help a lot there is a limit to what your immune system can do, even if boosted, if your broader health is compromised.
        
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        December 15, 2022 8:09pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        virtualmark – it is practically impossible to address everything you have raised in a blog post like this, but I disagree with pretty much everything you have said, except for the dishonesty of politicians. Though they are probably behind pharma executives when it comes to that trait.
        A couple of points. NZers and Aussies are much healthier in general than Americans and Poms. Other than the politically incorrect though factually correct references you made to PI and Maori people.
        The high death rates overseas are now known to be due to the moronic decision to empty hospitals and cram all of the most vulnerable people into rest homes etc ensuring rapid spread of a new virus among those with immune systems least able to cope with it. Then there was the stupid decision to intubate people. It killed more than it saved. There are serious concerns re the use of Midazolam in the UK and the excessive use of DNRs on people without the mental capacity to make decisions for themselves, all while their families weren’t permitted to see them.
        All of the initial deaths in NZ were the same. Frail and elderly stuck into the same rest home.
        
        None of this is a conspiracy theory, no matter how you try and paint it as such. If we had the right forum I can present reams of evidence to support my pov. I can supply reams of evidence to destroy your claims. Maybe the fact you were involved in the purchasing of this experimental toxin is the reason you are so defensive?
        
        The “freezer trucks” were as nonsensical a story as the island in NY with the drone photos of people in hazmat suits digging “mass graves”. Turns out they’ve been using NY prisoners to bury sadly unclaimed dead people there since the 1800s. The numbers at the start of covid were not unusual. But the fear porn generated was substantial, as were the photographs of the empty freezer trucks you mentioned.
        
        No conspiracy, but if someone was trying to create terror then they went the right way about it.
        
        One question, why has there NEVER been a genuine debate permitted between people like Baker, Wiles, Hipkins and Bloomfield on one side and actual experts like Jay Battachyra, John Ioannadis or any of the others who signed the Great Barrington Declaration? They have all been smeared and or deplatformed.
        All we hear are vague references to “mis” and “disinformation.” These are never specified. Ever.
        
        The only conspiracy here is on the side of those who drove the inane policies to combat an unspectacular respiratory illness with an IFR widely accepted as being around 0.15%. Not dissimilar to a moderate to severe respiratory illness in any other year.
        Excess deaths are down to the reactions to this, not from covid itself.
        
        Here’s hoping that one day we get a real forum to have the actual debate needed with the ability to present the empirical evidence now available. It is coming through in a torrent. The link I gave earlier to the German data showing unexplained deaths at triple the previous levels just one example. The reporting of insurance companies in many locations also revealing. Insurance companies are about dollars, they don’t do conspiracy theories.
        There is something killing many more people than normal. The only thing we can be sure of, it isn’t covid.
        
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        December 15, 2022 8:46pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      virtualmark – are you saying it was the politicians who held suppressed this information?
      
      I think you’ll find not so many would have been so quick to get jabbed if they knew it wasn’t going to actually stop them catching covid. It has been one of the biggest problems around the whole issue, total lack of informed consent.
      
      I have since found out that when I got a tetanus shot 3 years ago after getting a large hook in my leg that it was combined with a diptheria shot. At the very least, I should have been advised about this. I wasn’t.
      
      As for it preventing hospitalisation or death, that is also turning out to be totally inaccurate. I’m not going into depth here but there is plenty of evidence showing that in fact, any efficacy is short lived and becomes negative very quickly. The statistics re excess mortality in all countries are alarming and recent data out of Germany is concerning.
      
      https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/sudden-death-from-unknown-cause
      
      Yes, correlation is not causation, but they can only roll this trope out so many times before more people start demanding answers.
      
      Re your involvement in the purchasing. You’ll be fully aware then that the decision was made without any testing being carried out in NZ? That it was approved based on data supplied by Pfizer, data which has been shredded by numerous sources for lack of normal procedures?
      This included the control group being given the vaccine which effectively destroyed the control group.
      There were many other issues around the trials which is why Pfizer tried to prevent the release of this information for 75 years.
      
      This was an experiment on a massive scale. Great for Pfizer, not so great for everyone else. We are only starting to see the fallout. It will continue for many years.
      
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      December 15, 2022 5:26pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Clan,
        
        You’re seeing too many conspiracies.
        
        Politicians lie. Chippie lied about us being at the head of the queue, when Pfizer had been clear we were towards the back. Politicians said, or at least implied, the vaccine would stop transmission, when Pfizer had said it’s objective was to stop serious infection.
        
        It was clear that Pfizer (and all the other vaccine manufacturers) had been through accelerated trials. But get pragmatic. If we’d waiting 5-ish years for a full set of medical trials to run their course then what use was the vaccine going to be? In World War II do you think the RAF spent years testing new planes before bringing them into service? Or did they accelerate deployments because the need was overwhelming?
        
        You are welcome to fold-your-own tinfoil hat. But please accept that the vast majority of responsible decision-makers arrived at different conclusions to you, based on first-hand information not rumour and fake news.
        
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        December 15, 2022 6:27pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      We used to have 5-pound bleating poms, but now we’ve got three penny lowlanders. That’s devaluation for ya.
      
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      December 15, 2022 7:53pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You win comment of the day. Again. What are you going to do with all these awards?
        
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        December 15, 2022 8:25pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    If Seymour came out now and said “I am sorry. I was wrong about the vaccine and I was wrong about the mandates. I will work hard to ensure that such a thing never happens again.”…… well ACT support would jump about 7 percentage points.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:45am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Absolutely correct. Instead of my wavering around whether to give Seymour a vote or not, I can stone clad guarantee he will get it. And he will get the vast majority of unvaccinated votes, a not insubstantial number of people. He will also get the support of those who have seen the light on this matter.
      He might lose a few, but the gains would swamp any losses.
      
      It would be a spectacular jump in the polls. I wonder have any of his strategists considered it and raised it in their meetings?
      Though I find the fact that this is how it is done, rather than as a result of just doing what is right in the light of available information, causes further cynicism in politics and politicians in me. But I’ll take it.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:14am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      I am not so sure.
      There are still fearful fanatics on either side, and the larger middle ground actually are bored with or have moved on from Covid.
      I have 3 workmates off with Covid this week, and others I know have Covid outside of my work. There is a spike of cases acknowledged around Covid of late, acknowledged in small-talk conversation….but people just don’t care like they used to.
      There are other matters worth focusing on that might be less likely to be hijacked by the media as a ‘U-turn’ or an ‘admission’ or an extreme or outlying view. Why waste political capital on this distraction. It might be worth Seymour reflecting once the official (limited) enquiry into the Covid response is complete.
      
      While you can admit that your perspective on the vaccine has changed (as has mine, in that it was clearly of limited short-term use rather than being conclusively proven to be dangerous) there is not much politically to returning to the past.
      Don’t forget, and don’t have to forgive however.
      – Last election was the ‘Covid election.
      – This election is the ‘not-a-Covid election’.**
      
      **The price or lettuce or a block of cheese, and co-governance, and government incompentence and waste.
      
      Just like euthanasia was unfortunately a deal breaker for some around supporting ACT, I dont see it so simply that you have to agree 100% with a person or politics all of the time. I don’t even agree with myself 100% of the time!
      There is nothing pure and right in this world, so just have to look for the best fit. For me, it is very much ACT overall.
      
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      December 15, 2022 1:02pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You state it hasn’t been definitively proven that the vaccines are dangerous. We’ve just had our 4th probable vaccine death admitted in the mainstream media and on the official website.
        
        https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/news-items/fourth-death-possibly-linked-covid-19-vaccine
        
        These are the ones that have been looked into. All cause mortality is up by 20% in NZ over the last few months. These are not covid deaths. But the overwhelming majority are not examined.
        
        Here’s a link to Steve Kirsch who challenged Sean Plunkett to a debate for 1 million dollars regarding covid issues. Plunkett initially agreed, then ran for the hills. Kirsch has 13 questions for anyone who wants to ask their doctor. All very good and relevant questions. If you know the answers let me know.
        I believe there is enough data available to at the very least, get this experiment stopped while a proper investigation is carried out. Those who feel they are in danger from covid, aged or infirm, if they still want it then go ahead.
        
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        December 15, 2022 5:02pm
- alloytoo
  
  Seymour’s attitude further undermines her “Image”, it’s clever on his part.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:39am
nathie

Did anyone catch ZB’s Jamie Mackay interviewing Sir Ian Taylor the other day? Ian Taylor is normally a Labour supporter but he was scathing of the Ardern Labour Govt and I find it interesting to hear from ex-Labour supporters why they now hold the party in contempt.

HDPA discussing the Ian Taylor interview with Jamie Mackay.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/jamie-mackay-host-of-the-country-on-sir-ian-taylors-comments-about-the-labour-party/

The full interview with Sir Ian Taylor last Tuesday.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/the-country-full-show-tuesday-december-13-2022/ATMLCT2WC5EWHF3XW2IKU37PCU/

One would think Labour ought to be doing their utmost best to hold on to supporters like Ian Taylor …. but no Labour doesn’t care for anyone but themselves!
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December 15, 2022 8:47am
CAKE FACE1

Here’s the latest degenerate drivel from Clair “The Communist” Trevett (paywalled):

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/the-pm-and-why-act-leader-david-seymour-wont-be-too-upset-about-the-arrogant-prick-jab/FK5IGHUYUZFOLGWQXGSWIMDDQE/

Claire babbles:

“Her performance review of Act leader David Seymour as an “arrogant prick” has been the highlight of the last week of Parliament. It was a rare slip of the Prime Ministerial mask, an insult glorious for being so succinct.”

What is “glorious” about calling someone a prick? The woman is clearly a mental defective.

Alas, Claire wasn’t done with the idiocy. Check this comment out:

“Ardern subsequently did issue an apology – to Seymour. That apology carried another magnificent oblique sledge. He reported that she had texted him to say she should not have said it and “as my mum would say, if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say it”. The apology was not so much a “soz I didn’t mean it” as a “I’m sorry I got caught saying it but I did mean it.””

This “sledge” was not oblique as all – it is as obvious as the excess weight Ms Trevett is carrying around at all times. Nor was this “sledge” in any way “magnificent” – it was regrettably immature and hypocritical for a Prime Minister to act in such a way. Cindy is not kind – this is the only clarity we received.

The Team of $55 million, with their bias and stupidity, need to be defunded as soon as possible.

Ms Trevett should be fired. She is a useless Labour lickspittle activist, not even a “journalist”.
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December 15, 2022 8:56am
- Libertarians are right
  
  What they don’t seem to get is that he’s doing his job, “holding power to account” (which ironically is also Trevett’s job). They say he’s political grandstanding etc but would never make the claim of someone on their side, they’re speaking truth to power.
  
  The fact is that Seymour is speaking on behalf of people like me so when Jacinda ignores and disrespects him she’s disrespecting me. The arrogant *****.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    But he’s a man so he has all that toxic masculinity power….
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:38am
- Its only I
  
  Labour buys in bulk.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:36am
- cmm
  
  Sledging and such pathetic childish behaviour would not be tolerated in any workplace.
  
  Why is it permitted in parliament?
  
  The arseholes are there to do a job for us, not score silly points against each other like a school debating team.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:37am
  - MCōs
    
    Would you prefer the Chinese model?
    
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    December 15, 2022 4:21pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “This “sledge” was not oblique as all – it is as obvious as the excess weight Ms Trevett is carrying around at all times.”
  
  That was a magnificent sledge!
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:46am
- Matt Long
  
  Finally unsubscribed from the NZME stable yesterday after at least 55 years of continuous subscription to the Northern Advocate, can’t say I’m missing access to “premium” articles.
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The last year has been so refreshing. I haven’t watched a single minute of NZ mainstream media on TV. I skim the Whoreerald headlines each morning to get an idea of the latest shit Ardern and co are attempting to push on the country, but I very rarely actually read the drivel.
    I’ve subscribed to a number of excellent blogs and youtube channels and haven’t been so well informed for at least a decade.
    
    In no particular order:
    
    Bad Cattitude (don’t be fooled by the title, it isn’t cat videos!)
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/
    
    Eugyppius: A Plague Chronicle
    https://www.eugyppius.com/
    
    The Conservative Woman
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/
    
    Dead Man Talking
    https://metatron.substack.com/
    
    UK Column News
    https://www.ukcolumn.org/
    
    Check any of them out if you want good, honest, accurate analysis of current events.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:37am
BeaB

Glorious? Magnificent?
No. Just a Potty-mouthed PM.
She always whines about getting different treatment from what John Key got but I suspect we’d still be hearing the outraged shrieks if David Seymour had called her an ‘arrogant cxxt/bxxxh/txxt’.
All accurate in my opinion but he is too well-mannered and well-spoken.
The comment says a lot about her.
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December 15, 2022 9:23am
- Ehlana
  
  There was a time when John Key’s behaviour was felt inappropriate. The waitress concerned communicated to her employers (as she should) who communicated with their customers (as they should) and the result was an apology at the time.
  
  Perhaps someone could direct me to this Prime Ministers apologies for the wrongs she has done others that were delivered in such timely fashion?
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:50am
Tom Hunter

Fifty years ago today, the last Apollo mission to the Moon lifted off, a day after commander Gene Cernan left the last human footprints in the lunar soil, Apollo 17: “Le Voyage Dans La Lune”:

Apollo 17 is my favourite Apollo mission… One of my treasured memories is watching one moonwalk for a couple of hours with my Dad, before we drove up into the hills of our second farm to muster our sheep down the roads for shearing: the magic of the New Zealand countryside mixed in my minds eye with the magnificent desolation of the lunar surface.
…
If, as a little boy having just seen this in December 1972, you had told me that we would not return to the Moon for more than fifty years, I would not have believed you. But then I knew nothing of government budget cuts and public boredom.

I’ve embedded in that post all of Jack Kennedy’s famous 18 minute speech at Rice University in September 1962:

We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people.
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December 15, 2022 9:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Did you see Musk’s clash with former astronaut Scott Kelly re the whole Fauci tweet and a bit of LGBTQI XDSFRWT or whatever it is these days?
  
  Entertaining reading.
  
  In response to Musk’s pronouns dig, “Prosecute/Fauci Kelly replied:
  
  “Elon, please don’t mock and promote hate toward already marginalized and at-risk-of-violence members of the #LGBTQ+ community. They are real people with real feelings. Furthermore, Dr Fauci is a dedicated public servant whose sole motivation was saving lives,”
  
  Musk responded:
  
  I strongly disagree. Forcing your pronouns on others when they didn’t ask, and implicitly ostracizing those who don’t, neither good nor kind to anyone.
  
  As for Fauci, he lied to Congress and funded gain-of-function research that killed millions of people. Not awesome imo.
  
  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602113254360162304
  
  I like the cut of his jib. We’ve had enough woke nonsense to last a lifetime.
  
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  December 15, 2022 12:55pm
bythesea

Meri Kirihimete everyone. /s

At least that is what Christchurch Council in its
“… the latest news & offers from Christchurch & Hanmer Springs Attractions” newsletter wants to wish me.

I think i have been culturally appropriated, who do i complain to?
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December 15, 2022 9:39am
- Cassandra
  
  If anyone Mere Kirimetes (sp?) me I delete it. Speak Maori or speak English, not both. NZ pidgin at its worst.
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:56am
- Clyde
  
  Well, there is no point in complaining to the CEO who will be imbued with the woke crap which is donkey deep in all Local Bodies. I am really looking forward to a huge cleaning out of the legions of fwits in Govt departments, Local Bodies and Universities as well as the Education Dept as soon as St Jacinda of the teeth leaves for the UN and the East Polynesian caucus are consigned to the oblivion of their tiresome hatred.
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:08am
  - plc
    
    You certainly have a lot of faith in National….wish I shared it.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:31am
NothingLeft

Twitter had been deeply infiltrated by non-western intelligence agencies, from all corners of the globe, and old bosses were OK with it – just so long as they got revenue earning access to the various evil empires:
https://twitter.com/AvidHalaby/status/1602129450740682752

You just know it won’t be any different at Facebook or Google
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December 15, 2022 9:43am
- cmm
  
  The word “infiltrated” is a bit misleading. That sounds like there was sneakiness involved.
  
  Nope, they were warmly welcomed.
  
  I see that Dorsey is trying to say that he was unaware of what was going on. I doubt it.
  
  Even if he was truly unaware, it would be gross dereliction of duty NOT to be aware.
  
  How is that Musk was already aware even before he joined the company?
  
  PS: No, I am not a Musk fanboi, I really don’t care if Twitter craters, but this toxic organisation needed someone to come kick over the desks.
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:00am
103PapPap

Heard a great quote last night:
“To quote the Prime Minister – what an arrogant prick”.
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December 15, 2022 9:47am
- kowtow
  
  Much ado in the Ferald today about said extremely unparliamentary behaviour .Much of it at Seymour’s expense.
  
  One being the leader of the Maori party having the last larf ; nope Seymour will when he’s in govt.
  
  They also said Ardern’s mask slipped .
  Does that mean the Media Pardy realises she’s a fake ?
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Gosh…
Heading towards 3/4 Billion dollars to set up & run computer systems for 3 Waters…and not a broken pipe or filter touched.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130764915/three-waters-it-system-now-expected-to-cost-659-million#comments
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December 15, 2022 9:57am
- cmm
  
  OK, I’ve been in the IT industry for almost 40 years.
  
  There must be a massive amount of gravy swirling around in the new ticketing system and the 3W software system.
  
  I can’t see how the ticketing system can cost anything more than $50M to develop and, maybe $1000 per bus/train/whatever for any equipment needed there and $2M a year to maintain (including running the servers etc).
  
  For 20 years of service and 10,000 buses/trains/ferries that adds up to $100M all up.
  
  But somehow this has been blown out to $1.2B (+ no doubt a blow out to $2Bn).
  
  Rinse and repeat 3W software which should not cost any more than a handful of million.
  
  Software is a wonderful thing to scam because there is nothing tangible – just a bunch of ones and zeroes. It is almost impossible for anyone to really audit it properly.
  
  At the time I was leaving South Africa in the 1980s there was a limit on how much money you could take out of the country. A huge scam emerged where people were “buying” software from overseas. $50k for a floppy disk with a few files of rubbish on it.
  
  The same can happen here easily, but just more criminal rip-offs.
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It will be interesting to discover who gets the IT/software contracts.
    
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    December 15, 2022 10:45am
    - cmm
      
      The massively, and diversely, talented Mahuta Corp?
      
      Even if they can’t do it themselves, I am sure they can add an extra layer of project management and clip the ticket.
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:48am
- nathie
  
  Wow think how many busted water pipes could be repaired and water treatment plants built from that obscene waste of our money! (Bloody Labour)!
  
  Or better still, chuck a couple of hundred million at Pharmac and actually save people’s lives … ya know Labour, something important!
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:36am
- Ghost
  
  Lot of money just for watching cat videos
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:47am
- Swifty
  
  $150 from every man, woman and child in the country for this one thing.
  
  And with no guarantee this won’t balloon…..
  
  Wow.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:17am
  - cmm
    
    An almost certainty it will balloon.
    
    There’s a worldwide shortage of taniwha kibble and the price has gone through the roof.
    
    I must say I’m tempted to give them a fixed price quote to do the ticketing project for $250M.
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:57am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  We built the whole social welfare computer system for $80m back about 1980. The IRD system cost about double that.
  
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  December 15, 2022 1:10pm
Tony Stuart

From the You Had One Job department, it’s being reported this morning that New Zealand Post is running out of domestic and international stamps.
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December 15, 2022 10:19am
- nathie
  
  So who is the Minister responsible?
  
  If NZ Post comes under the Minister for State Owned Enterprises … well surprise, surprise it is …. drum roll please …. Dr David Clark!
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/node/114275
  
  Oh sheet!
  
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  December 15, 2022 10:29am
  - NothingLeft
    
    “Minister responsible” has become an oxymoron under Labour.
    
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    December 15, 2022 1:09pm
- Taieri
  
  Sent a urgent document to an European country via NZ Post International Courier service. It took 2 and half months to reach its destination, about a month after the person it was intended for has returned to NZ. Got an “apology” but no offer to refund the charge. Needless to say I’ll never use their “services” again.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:20am
- cmm
  
  No matter how crap NZ Post becomes, they won’t be shut down. There is absolutely no motivation to improve the situation.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/kaipara-mayor-a-modern-day-hero/
Distorting the Treaty. There is one ringleader here.
This is what we have to look forward to.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Craig-Preston-Mayor-part-3-3.pdf
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December 15, 2022 10:23am
kiwikidsnz

Has the Privacy Commissioner had a look at this ?
Under what law do these people operate ?
Do you just tell them to go away & mind their own business ?

On the quoted 1/10 strike rate, thousands of passengers are having these nosy parkers inquiring into their personal lives & business because they don’t like the look of them.

To the hammer, everything looks like a nail.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300765624/hundreds-of-criminals-stopped-at-auckland-airport-by-new-officers-who-watch-for-suspicious-passengers
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December 15, 2022 10:38am
- Ghost
  
  It’s got nothing to do with the privacy commissioner.
  
  Good on them for doing this and catching criminals, but it isn’t anything new, customs always do this, watch a persons behaviour.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:10am
  - Taieri
    
    Good on them for doing this and catching criminals
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    Assessing their behaviour on the basis of an iPad chack list? Wow, how profound!
    
    “(…)The officer will identify passengers exhibiting unusual behaviour and start a checklist on an iPad. If that person reaches a specific score, the officer will head over for a chat.(…)”
    
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    December 15, 2022 11:24am
    - Ghost
      
      And catching criminals, you know, something people here moan about that isn’t being done, and when it is you moan again
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:26am
      - Taieri
        
        Those cretins couldn’t catch their breath walking up the stairs let alone catch a professional criminal. Half of them have a problem with spelling my first name. Which consists of exactly five letters.
        
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        December 15, 2022 11:43am
      - Ghost
        
        And yet they are catching people, but hey, its kiwiblog, people bitch when criminals aren’t caught and then bitch when they are caught, no please some people
        
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        December 15, 2022 12:19pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Amazing. They can psychologically profile someone, identify them as a criminal and they’ve done it hundreds of times. But the police can’t catch a couple of people smashing a vehicle into a building, going into it and taking the contents then driving away unmolested?
        Something a bit weird here.
        
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        December 15, 2022 1:12pm
    - cmm
      
      Isn’t that “profiling”?
      
      Sounds a bit like a video game. I wonder if there’s a scoreboard to skite with your mates about how many people you “chatted” to?
      
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      December 15, 2022 11:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sort of ‘undercover?’
  They stick out like dog’s balls.
  Take a seat and watch. Those just there, and still there 30 min later.
  Not everyone is in a mad rush at the airport.
  You can play games with them. Sit for a while then move, and sit again. Yep, here they come, doing nothing but watch.
  I do give that there are certainly people who get taken aside and busted.
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:07pm
Benedict Yu

I feel like I am living in some weird parallel universe.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130764915/three-waters-it-system-now-expected-to-cost-659-million
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December 15, 2022 10:50am
- Ghost
  
  I’m prepared to sell them my computer for $30 million. I’ll even throw in windows defender for free.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Windows Defender is great. So great it is forced upon you.//
    
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    December 15, 2022 5:26pm
- Taieri
  
  But it will save at least a couple of millions…
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:24am
info@cruzpro.com

As a licensed gun owner I just answered the New Zealand police gun licensing fees questionnaire.

Most questions require a YES or NO answer and asks for your reasoning if NO is selected.

The questionnaire ask a lot of questions that a normal gun owner would not have an idea of how to answer. Questions such as:

“Fee for consent to hold/attend a gun show or action.

It’s proposed to set a two-part fee based on the average estimated full cost to Police. The first fee would be for approval (estimated at $1,020 – $1,120). The second fee would be for the attendance cost to Police, (estimated at $1,120 – $1,240 per Police person per day) which may be spread across multiple dealers if more than one is attending a particular gun show or auction. ”

$150 per hour per police officer seems a bit over the top to me.

Those wishing to see the entire questionnaire can look here: https://consultation.police.govt.nz/policy/arms-regulations-review-of-fees/consultation/
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December 15, 2022 10:54am
- Taieri
  
  $150 per hour per police officer seems a bit over the top to me.
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  Why? $150 per hour of police officer’s time is dirt cheap compared to council charges.
  Dunedin Council residential building consent charges are $195 per hour, with an inspection of the “installation of a minor plumbing fitting” i.e. a shower taking from 1 to 3 hours. Administration tasks involved in processing application for such an installation take from 0.5 to 1 hour and cost an additional $110 to 150 per hour and the issue of compliance certificate costs an additional $97.50.
  No wonder housing costs in this wonderful country are at stratospheric heights.
  
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  December 15, 2022 11:38am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Taxpayers have already paid for the Police labour costs it’s a resource allocation question (eg they might not be available for revenue collecting with speed cameras), also the Police refused the option to make gun licensing contestable & put it out to private contractors (yes, I know “what could possibly go wrong”).
    
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    December 15, 2022 1:18pm
    - Taieri
      
      And the ratepayers already paid for the building inspectors’ salary, which is nowhere near the hourly rates charged for his/her/its services.
      The question, far more important in my view, is, what value do we as tax/ratepayers get from such services?
      
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      December 15, 2022 1:34pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  This will kill off regional gun shows or sales events. It is individual people selling off tables, and the Police have a duty to be there if pistols are being sold, or items that require a police endorsement.
  Seems so wrong to start charging out for services – will kill events, and also distasteful.
  If the police attend a concert or event at Eden part do they submit a bill, like a security contractor?
  
  I thought the police were paid for by the taxpayer, rather than being paid to turn up or charging by the hour? Disgusting.
  
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  December 15, 2022 1:39pm
Ghost

Paywalled, but looks like spark are going to sell spark sport to tvnz

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/spark-said-to-be-ready-to-offload-spark-sport-tvnz-probable-buyer/5YMCWYYQQZBTNLFGDJ7CUV4ZFY/
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December 15, 2022 11:24am
- greybeard
  
  So that is how the merged TVNZ/RNZ would provide free-to-air sports ?
  
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  December 15, 2022 1:48pm
  - MCōs
    
    They already have provided the occasional Blackcaps game free to air.
    There is no chance all the games will be free.
    
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    December 15, 2022 4:14pm
- Prince
  
  First action should be to dump “Scotty’ Stevenson (no feel for the game) and Katy Martin (gabbles).
  
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  December 15, 2022 2:18pm
kowtow

In other news NZ has worst evah current a’c deficit .

Much on the back of fuel imports.( petrol , diesel and aviation fuel)

And what’s helping the dire economic situation we’re in.

Our meat and dairy exports .

So contrary to the lefty / media agenda ; we need and want and use fuel , while the rest of the world needs and wants our ag produce .

What’s the regime and silly pupil view of the real world . Ban fuel , meat and dairy. Make life shit shit for farmers.

Totally out of touch , agenda driven Loons.
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December 15, 2022 11:29am
- virtualmark
  
  Our economy would be so much stronger – and we would all be so much richer – if we took steps to dramatically cut the amount of imported fuels we use.
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So let’s cut the cow herds and sheep flocks by 20%.
  Fucking awesome help for the non-existent climate change.
  Lucky we have intelligent people in charge of NZ.
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:35pm
Swifty

All I will say is that, in some parallel universe, RNZ and TVNZ were a propaganda factory for conservative thought and hirees, Godfery would be leading the charge for their defunding.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130759609/morgan-godfery-tweaks-required-but-nz-needs-strong-public-broadcaster

I guarantee it.
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December 15, 2022 11:30am
- NothingLeft
  
  Yep he’s a taxpayer funded far-left propagandist, with all the odious anti-democratic authoritarian ‘for their own good’ tendencies that comes with.
  
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  December 15, 2022 12:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    Meanwhile in Wellington, the Dominion Post newspaper gets a new editor.
    
    She comes from Radio New Zealand.
    
    The State-owned Radio NZ and TVNZ form a bloc with the State-subsidised newspapers.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington-top-stories/300765895/caitlin-cherry-named-new-editor-of-the-dominion-post
    
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    December 15, 2022 1:20pm
    - I remember when
      
      Mere Kokitama?
      
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      December 15, 2022 1:51pm
CAKE FACE1

Poor old Cindy’s poll ratings are crashing, so I have an unsolicited idea of how she can improve her popularity.

Cindy was most popular when she was the in the midst of intense ambulance chasing, gurning and emoting to cheering crowds. She needs to somehow recapture these moments.

My suggestion is that Cindy should support the women of Iran, by publicly burning her huge collection of hijabs.

This would cost Cindy no more than a box of matches. I have seen huge numbers of photos of Cindy proudly wearing the hijab, and she seems to have them in every colour and style imaginable. She could burn one hijab each day in 2023, and still have enough in store, just in case she has to don one again for another emergency ambulance chase.

Cindy might want to have the previous photos of her proudly wearing the hajib expunged from the record, as Comrade Stalin used to do with photographs of political opponents. These photos are a bit inconvenient.

I think my strategy would see Cindy rise to the top once more.

Let’s do this!
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December 15, 2022 12:23pm
- I remember when
  
  Poor old Cindy’s poll ratings are crashing.
  Notice the lack of photos of her smiley face – now replaced more often by much less flattering shots.
  
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  December 15, 2022 1:46pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Just a minute…I thought that ‘they are us’..??
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A lot of the Google Cache has been scrubbed.
  We all know why….
  Who wood know? And how it was done?
  Even videos are gone or censored.
  How? Can’t say – they are gone!!!!!
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:41pm
Ghost

Well done to Jacinda and David

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Act leader David Seymour are putting aside their bruising week in which Ardern was caught calling Seymour an “arrogant prick” in Parliament.

The pair will sign a copy of the Hansard page that includes the remarks and auction it for a prostate cancer charity.

“It’s a very Kiwi resolution to what might be seen as a nasty incident,” Seymour said.

“In the spirit of Christmas, we are going to raise money for the Prostate Cancer Foundation – raising money for pricks everywhere,” he said.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/jacinda-ardern-david-seymour-to-raise-money-for-pricks-prostrate-cancer-charity/OF2C7E4IEJDEBFIANMD6DBBINQ/
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December 15, 2022 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  I’ll raise one to that!
  
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  December 15, 2022 4:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Medication don’t work for me.
    
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    December 15, 2022 5:48pm
- cmm
  
  Well done to Cindy?
  
  No, exceedingly well done by her spin team!
  
  They have taken a huge negative and been able to turn this into a huge positive in most people’s eyes:
  Look at the wonderful thing Cindy is doing for men’s health!
  
  But what is she really doing? SFA! Heck, it isn’t even costing her a cent. Some person will make a huge donation that won’t cost her a cent.
  
  And the news will be: Cindy raised $10K (or whatever) for prostate cancer! Isn’t she awesome!
  
  I really take my hat off to her spin team. They know their business.
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:00pm
  - Piticus
    
    David was the instigator of the whole fundraiser. It must piss Cindy off that this won’t go away but I guess she had no option to agree to the idea as not doing so would damage her false image so badly !
    
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    December 15, 2022 9:29pm
I remember when

Last night on TV “The gangs – 14 years later.”
Pam Corkery.
Efeso Collins said, “They look like they can sit in church quite comfortably, they can recruit in church….”
Only an hour earlier a visitor had asked what was on at Destiny church.
Apparently it was a sea of red with men in leather jackets, patches on their backs, standing outside..
They suggested it was a major source of their recruitment of members.
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December 15, 2022 1:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Not one of one my whanau…
but to all other clansfolk:

https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20221214/macdonald-descendants-sought-for-land-in-northland/
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December 15, 2022 1:41pm
kiwikidsnz

Only in NZ…
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/480823/ardern-seymour-to-auction-arrogant-prick-remark-for-prostate-charity

Perhaps Ardern & Seymour should get a room…just saying (some of you won’t be able to unthink that…)
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December 15, 2022 2:01pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Too funny.
  
  I am all for it. More publicity for Ardern losing the plot and Seymour being phillisophical about the entire incident.
  
  Glad to see charity benefitting,
  
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  December 15, 2022 7:05pm
mikenmildagain

The Kiwiblog hive mind seems more than usually unified today.
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December 15, 2022 2:22pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  What does that even mean?
  Another pointless drive-by.
  Why do you even post here?
  
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  December 15, 2022 2:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A troll, he is waiting for your reply.
    Wait, you already did that.
    Fuck off Mike, you are an annoying little shit.
    
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    December 15, 2022 5:56pm
CAKE FACE1

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/118854/surging-demand-service-industries-after-re-opening-borders-has-seen-economy-grow

“Surging demand in the service industries after the re-opening of the borders has seen the economy grow at a much faster pace than expected in the September quarter; the Reserve Bank won’t be pleased – 75 point rise to OCR in February appears certain”

I’m not so sure.

Mr Orr is so far behind the curve, I think that he needs to raise the OCR by at least 100 bps in February.

Mr Orr is completely and utterly useless, so who knows what he will do…
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December 15, 2022 2:23pm
ClanMcleod

Re Michael Baker, his lie that he never ever said masks don’t work, when he did and it is on public record, and his most recent dribbling about masks maybe being needed again in some places.

Here’s definitive proof that he was right the first time when he stated that they do nothing to prevent spread of a virus, that he was wrong all the other times when he said they were needed.

winter is back, and with it the calls for masking coming from all the predicable safety karen quarters of pseudoscience and superstition.

one might wonder how, in the face of the literal proven fraud or nonsensicality in essentially all the studies used to support this made up mitigation it still possesses so many adherents of such striking devotion and durability.

the data for inefficacy is utterly overwhelming (read HERE for summary) for masks (n95 or otherwise) and yet some subset of society appears irretrievably attached to this halloween hilarity of cosplay “caretaking.”

in 2019, everyone, every expert, every agency knew this. the WHO published a large metastudy on it. this was not even really argued anymore.

The whole post is well worth reading.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-masquerade-will-always-be-with

Baker is a seriously deluded and dangerous man. He is never going to concede that he was wrong, ever. He knows he is responsible, along with Ardern, for an astonishing amount of devastation in New Zealand.
If he admits he was wrong, that he knew he was wrong and that he lied about it, he is going to be to be facing criminal charges. He lied, he knows he lied and we know he lied. As el gato malo is fond of saying, “we have the receipts.”

https://rumble.com/v1jljv5-prof.-michael-baker-misleading-kiwis-about-face-masks-since-mid-2020.html

there is a real illness going around on this topic and as those who love masks and want to mandate that you wear them too to keep this happy place alive grow fewer and lower status, they will become ever more shrill and then turn vicious. it will seem like self defense. they will experience your free face as assault.

this will be a delicate time. if we care about some of these people, we need to sort of gentle them through these savage DT’s.

it’s not going to be a rational process or an easy one.

it’s worth remembering that many are victims here.

and for many of them, i have some quite deep sympathy.

but for those who are still using credential, authority, and power to keep this abuse going, i have little but scorn.<

Indeed. Scorn is too kind a word.
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December 15, 2022 2:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So we put up a wire mesh fence to keep out mosquitos?
  And we still pay this dick’s wages?
  Baker > STFU.
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:59pm
  - General
    
    Virtue signalling devices still hold great value to the latest ‘thing’ with the great thinkers among us
    
    I invested in blue and yellow paint and signage day one of the conflict
    
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    December 15, 2022 6:34pm
Bullion

Ok, so GDP grew 2% last quarter and yoy 6.4% – higher than OECD and EU average, UK, Australia, Japan, Canada and US.

Treasury half year update was also positive, debt is forecast to track down, expenses and revenue are stabilising as a percentage of GDP and, defying expectations, a surplus is forecast for 2025.

I’m ok with phasing out of fuel tax cuts and half price public transport. the targeted public transport funding much better.

Considering how poor economists have predicted inflation, gdp, unemployment over the past couple of years, hopefully they are wrong about difficult times ahead (though given global sentiment I’m not confident we will avoid a recession.)
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December 15, 2022 3:24pm
- cmm
  
  It’s almost not worth measuring a GDP artificiality stimulated by burning piles of freshly printed money.
  
  It is certainly misinformation to compare it to any other year and claim there has been growth.
  
  If you live your life by the credit card (as many do) by splurging in December then paying back the rest of the year, you will also notice a surge in your household “GDP” in December. However it is really nothing to crow about.
  
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  December 15, 2022 4:28pm
  - Bullion
    
    Treasury pointed out the restraint in fiscal policy will help rbnz with inflations, it’s not just govt spending reflected in gdp figures.
    
    “The fall in real government consumption plays a key role in unwinding excess demand in the economy, which reduces pressure on the private sector to contract further.”
    
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    December 15, 2022 6:16pm
    - Bullion
      
      Infometrics principal economist Brad Olsen;
      “GDP up a very strong 2.0% on a quarterly basis. Key story here is tourism-related: strong service exports growth, and high levels of transport activity etc. But household and government consumption is down, so there’s some easing going on. Dairy+meats exports recover higher”
      
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      December 15, 2022 8:40pm
Ghost

Another child

Police have identified a 14-year-old boy as a “person of interest” after a woman was assaulted on the Waterview Shared Walkway in Mount Albert on Tuesday.

A search warrant was executed at an Auckland address on Thursday, where the teenager was found, police said.

Acting detective senior sergeant Martin Friend said the boy was assisting police with inquiries and would “ultimately be dealt with through Youth Aid processes”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300766169/police-identify-boy-14-as-person-of-interest-after-mount-albert-assault
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December 15, 2022 3:34pm
Tauhei Notts

Earlier today my wife had appointments with the dentist and the physiotherapist.
She had to wear a face mask to enter the dental surgery. No mask was required at the physiotherapy clinic.
Can any of you explain the logic of that to me, as I have my head in a spin.
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December 15, 2022 5:07pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Point out the absurdity when it happens. Laugh at these people. We are long past the point of trying to rationalise with them, it isn’t possible. Take the piss instead.
  
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  December 15, 2022 5:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour voters, it is a visual thing. I just hold my hand over my mouth, and stare at them. So funny!
  
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  December 15, 2022 6:03pm
- Inandout
  
  TN, a friend of mine revealed that his cruise around Oz was masked unless eating or drinking. Why would you bother?
  
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  December 15, 2022 6:34pm
  - kevn
    
    @InOut… Combined with beer goggles, it would have ensured conquests a plenty.
    
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    December 15, 2022 7:05pm
- MCōs
  
  Ask the dentist practice.
  They’re the ones who made the rules, not us.
  Maybe they’ve found that it cuts down on the staff catching colds, flu . . .
  
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  December 15, 2022 9:28pm
Jack5

On TV1 tonight …
Moroccans, Palestinians, Africans … gather in Auckland to cheer the Moroccan soccer team against France.

Fair enough, until TV1 tells us it’s about opposing colonists.

That implies that if New Zealand, or almost any other Western nation, is playing, these people are against them.

If Western nations are so bad, why do tens of thousands of Third World-ers risk drowning to crash through Western borders for a dream life?
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December 15, 2022 6:32pm
kevn

Mark Mitchell having a crack at coster at the Parliament Justice select committee meeting and coster doesn’t like it… NZ Herald full access.
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December 15, 2022 6:49pm
- fernglas
  
  National is missing a big political opportunity with their knee-jerk response to a fairly standard crime wave. Instead of looking to the symptom, they should be addressing the cause; the shocking failure of the education system and the extent to which Labour’s short-sighted Covid policies and hand-wringing approach to enforcing attendance have created the climate for this crime wave to occur. That approach has legs; threatening kids with failed policies like the equivalent of the old Corrective Training will only last until the current moral panic is over, and that will be well before the next election, as Coster has pointed out.
  
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  December 15, 2022 7:32pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Coster handled him easily but it would be over the head of the wind-up mumbler.
  
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  December 15, 2022 7:55pm
fernglas

Is co-governance being quietly pushed to one side for political or economic reasons?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/480211/government-falling-behind-on-timeframe-for-co-governance-plans-willie-jackson
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December 15, 2022 7:26pm
Jack5

The stand-off between Kaipara’s Mayor, Craig Jepson, and Maori ward member Pera Paniora is a struggle for political legitimacy and cultural power.

That’s the view of Chris Trotter in his Bowalley Road blog. I found pertinent these points which he says the media ignore:

… just 246 votes were required to make Ms Paniora a Councillor, considerably fewer than the 4,228 votes required to make Mr Jepson a Mayor. Or that the General Roll turnout in Kaipara District was 50.4 percent, compared to the Maori Roll turnout of 29.4 percent.

The article:

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/12/kaipara-struggle-for-political.html
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December 15, 2022 7:59pm
fernglas

The unspoken tragedy of the Covid response is the effect on a generation of children. Those who had the least to lose from the virus were made to lose the most by short-sighted and poorly informed policy making by a bunch of terrified adults. The economic burden, disruption to education and and social consequences of those policies will be carried a long way into the future, and for what? When society is prepared to wreck the futures of its children to save a couple of years of life for the old and infirm, it has failed to carry out its most fundamental responsibility
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/12/14/fourteen-year-old-jack-watson-says-the-only-lesson-he-learned-during-the-pandemic-was-the-rules-dont-apply-to-those-who-make-them/
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December 15, 2022 8:12pm
Jack5

Raid on Turks with alleged Mossad links…

Turkey has arrested 44 people for alleged involvement with the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad.

The Israel news agency, JTA, says those arrested appear to be largely Turkish citizens, and include several private detectives, as well as the director of a private detective firm. No Israelis were arrested.

JTA says that, according to Turkish media, those arrested have been accused of shadowing Palestinians and pro-Palestinian organisations in Turkey.
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December 15, 2022 8:19pm
Brian McDonald

I tried to find meaningful comments on today’s financial news here. If there were any I missed them. Robertson was cool as a cucumber in the manner of Bill English or Michael Cullen and why wouldn’t he be? To this point, he has, presumed luck or not, seen the economy outperforming expectations. I compare him today to Nicola Willis claiming to know what people think. A sound, informed economist against a mind reader. National has had a good run on Labour’s misfortunes but when push comes to shove on the economy we get a babbling brook response. She appeared unprepared and satisfied that she could be meaningful by using trite criticisms conjured from nowhere. It takes far more than that to steer the economy, and she missed the boat right on Xmas. On the same day, the Commissioner of Police ate Mitchell’s bumbling and attempts to make him politicise his comments.
I have to ask why Luxon was not present to speak on 2 burning issues, crime, and the economy. It doesn’t pay to see a Police Commissioner rebuff comments by a prospective Police Minister on the grounds they are not science-based and a prospective Finance Minister claiming to know what people think about positive financial news.
Did Nat’s fall asleep right on Xmas because they think they have an armchair ride ahead of them? I think so.
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December 15, 2022 8:28pm
- Jack5
  
  Brian McDonald’s Robertson: “…a sound, informed economist”?
  
  Robertson?
  
  The Robertson who started the price conflagration?
  
  The Robertson, who with his dazed mate at the Reserve Bank, printed billions upon billions of dollars through bond programs and fueled inflation?
  
  Robertson will be remembered as one of the worst Finance Ministers in NZ’s history.
  
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