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Tony Stuart

National is continuing to select excellent candidates ahead of next year’s election. Tim Costley has again been chosen to contest Otaki. Tim has a distinguished Air Force career, and will be an energetic local representative, unlike the incumbent in Otaki, who is all but invisible.

And in Mana, National has chosen healthcare professional Dr Frances Hughes, who has a stellar career as per the link below:

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2212/S00080/dr-frances-hughes-selected-as-nationals-candidate-in-mana.htm

With these candidates, National continues to select people with real-world work experience and a proven record of service. That National is able to attract candidates of this calibre is a very positive sign should they become government next year.
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December 14, 2021 8:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Tim is an excellent chap, and he was denied that seat by a diversity box-ticker who was swept, bewildered into the role in a cloud of Jacinda pixie-dust.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:29am
  - Opie
    
    That’s being kind to Ngobi. I drive past her office often and have not seen the lights on there once in 2 years.
    
    She doesn’t even pretend to do any work. Can we obtain MPs timesheets?
    
    The one time she tried to get involved with something it ended up with an immigrant doctor leaving the country and her blaming him for it. That’s OK, just denies Healthcare to 1000 patients in her home town. Nothing a race based health system won’t fix though…
    
    Most recently when a successful business owning local Hungarian family were denied residency, the community rallied behind them and took 50,000 signatures to the immigration minister. The decision was reversed and there she was to take the credit like it was her doing (it wasn’t, I’m led to beleive it was a small admin issue that was easily resolved, particularly in the face of an angry mob).
    
    She campaigned on nothing and has achieved it spectacularly.
    
    Voted in by every woman in the district due to her skin colour and a campaign photo that mostly was of her boss.
    
    Ask anyone that voted for her why and they give you the same look as when you ask them how their vaccine is going as they are off work for the third time with covid.
    
    Given the state of the recently elected kapiti mayor I suspect she will be reelected as the coast continues to be overrun with wellington idiots.
    
    We can live in hope that Costley gets enough of the workers and business owners votes to send her back to unemployment.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:14am
    - coge
      
      The local election had some six mayoral candidates. Only one ‘openly’ Labour. So that was enough split votes to get the ‘labour’ candidate over the line. However that won’t be the case with the General election next year.
      
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      December 14, 2022 6:22pm
    - andydownhere
      
      One other time , I think she got involved was she tried to introduce a bill to have paid leave to attend parent teacher interviews. OMG. Go to the interviews at night time. Family babysitting, Or pay babysitting. Or if you cant afford babysitting, why did u have kids in the first place? Thats right just get the employer to pay, like a true Labour MP.
      They call her Theresa Noboby around here, cause nobody ever sees her
      
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      December 14, 2022 7:53pm
    - Jack5
      
      Frances Hughes has an impressive track record, but I hadn’t before come across the “doctor of nursing” qualification and its honorific. It’s from the University of Technology Sydney.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:31pm
- Warren
  
  High profile Maori look to National for Pathway to Politics.
  More Maori jump on board the National Waka Dale Stephen’s will stand for National in ChristChurch Central for next year’s General Election.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/more-maori-jump-on-board-the-national-waka/P6STWTU37BCH3FO6ZDREBHJD5I/
  So for all those doubters out there why can’t we get Maori to stand as National candidates in the Maori seats like Chris Luxon has said he will do.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:31am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s not a “waka” FFS.
    
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    December 14, 2022 2:30pm
- Cassandra
  
  Costley. Yes, good bloke. Should return Otaki to safe National. The useless and no doubt surprised Labour incumbent will return to her usual charity work, having wasted three years of her life and our money.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:56am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I assume you mean Tim Costley? Don’t get him confused with Cuddles.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:02am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Thank you; duly corrected.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:27am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  With all due respect Tony after your ringing endorsements of Harete Hipango and Sam Uffindel and other failures I think I will hold my judgement on the above mentioned.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:05am
  - Frank Hematuria
    
    OK Ross, we’ll trade you our Sam Uffindel for your Willie Jackson.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:18am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Sorry Frank but tribalistic attitudes like that are one of the main reasons politics these days are as shabby as they are.
      
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      December 14, 2022 9:58am
      - Frank Hematuria
        
        Really? I didn’t think your comment was particularly non-tribalistic. You clearly have a disapproving view of Hipango and Uffindell, for which I can match you with disapproving views of Jackson, Mahuta, Poto Williams, Twyford, Little, Woods (both of them)and a whole bunch of others. Contrary to your view that shabby politics is a result of “tribal attitudes” on the part of commentators, my view is that shabby politics is a direct result of the very poor quality of most of the current Government and its supporting parties.
        
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        December 14, 2022 10:30am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        This is where you and I differ Frank.
        I personally think the current crop of candidates and MPs from all the current parties are not much chop and would not employ the bulk of them myself if I was running my own company.
        However I am not so it’s all hypothetical.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Failures? Uffindell has been given three portfolios already, hardly a failure, Hapengo appears to be on the right track now
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:01am
  - Trev
    
    Uffindel still has a promising career in front of him and has already achieved a lot since some youthful bad behaviour.
    
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    December 14, 2022 2:03pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I am hoping and praying that Cindy doesnt resign before election night. I do so want to see her conceding defeat to Luxon. It will be worth the pain and suffering of the past 6 years.
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:39am
  - rouppe
    
    Any concession will be done by text after calling him an “arrogant prick”
    
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    December 14, 2022 12:47pm
    - Lance
      
      More like she will send along some minion to concede as she will have already jetted off to the UN
      
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      December 14, 2022 2:17pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Hey, Tony!
  
  Following on from your amusing attempt yesterday to foment happy mischief, Georgina Campbell (the excellent NZ Herald Wellington issues reporter) has just told Nick Mills that there is no way Rongotai will fall to National next year.
  
  slightlyrighty, take note. It…is…not…going…to…happen.
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Journos are corrupt
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:05am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Is there a place where we can see the finalised list of National candidates? I want to see whether diversity is maintained.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:38am
  - andydownhere
    
    I want to see where the best candidate with a brain is selected
    
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    December 14, 2022 7:58pm
- zulumonster
  
  Incredible that he didn’t get in last time …
  But his problem is he has personality and a sense of humour … as per this video during his time as a chopper pilot in the Air Force
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BzU1sYPjzo
  
  This will likely see him branded as a pale stale sexist male who is wholly unsuited to any public service role …
  
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  December 14, 2022 1:08pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Tony you are now in clown world.
  
  Utopian aspirations are what count.
  
  “Grumbly old men” aren’t wanted.
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:12pm
Warren

PM Jacinda Ardern under pressure in Parliament full of tired, grumpy pricks Luke Malpass writes.
When is Luke Malpass going to take his head out of our Prime Minister’s arse because Jacinda Ardern is a nasty peice of works when she let’s fly and is not the kind and caring person or Prime Minister you make out. You only have to go back to the young Lass that worked at one of the main food takeaway franchise’s to realize that when she blamed and abused her for something she did not do, then what about the two so called hookers that she blamed for the outbreak in Northland was that kind and caring , many don’t think so.
There has plenty of these outbursts the you and the media have hidden from the
Public but you and others in the media have chosen to hide them and continue praising a a Prime Minister well past her used by date.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130755374/pm-jacinda-ardern-under-pressure-in-a-parliament-full-of-tired-grumpy-pricks
Jacinda Ardern is a seasoned liar and plays the blame game every time she is challenged, not the kind and caring Prime Minister everyone is led to believe.
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December 14, 2022 8:00am
- James Stephenson
  
  “…a clear air of intellectual superiority…”
  
  I submit that we have our understatement of the year.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is my understanding that the word prick is vulgar slang for penis…
  
  Is “Stuff” trying to trivialise/normalise Ardern’s use of the word by now running headlines with the term?
  
  How long will it be before Our Journalists start referring to female politicians as silly cunts?
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:28am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Gosh Maggy, I did not expect to see that word under your name! I can imagine the reservations you must have had before clicking POST.
    
    However it’s not inappropriate to ask that, and the answer of course is “just as soon as National and ACT form a government.”
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I have used it at least 3 other times on this blog.
      
      As a female, I loathe it when males refer to females as cunts….i.e. reducing the person/individual to just a sexual object.
      
      I don’t see that we should accept reducing the mana/worth of a male to the mere fact that they possess a penis.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:11am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Except that there are males and females who warrant said reductions. But it should be restricted to times of stress and disgust.
        
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        December 14, 2022 10:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I think it passes the rules because the sentence was not directed to a single named person.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        From the Comments Policy:
        Language
        
        There is some tolerance for swearing so long as it is not directed at someone. Calling someone a c**t is almost never acceptable, but the use of the word in other contexts may be. Telling someone to f**k off is not acceptable..
        However, there have been a few times when I have told Mike to F off.
        Sometimes he can be a annoying little shit.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:14pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Steve
        Good stuff! Most commenters have little to no clue about the comments policy. To be fair, it is not always applied consistently, as the moderators have a fair degree of discretion.
        For example:
        Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog.
        I don’t mind being addressed as Mike and Mikenmildagain. The moderators will allow other variations though, and after some mild protests/reminders to some of the dimmer commenters, I’m content with the post-2019 reforms to this blog.
        
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        December 15, 2022 6:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is a word that is usually not tolerated here.
      I expect the mods to do something, but the comment is a good and fair question.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:16am
      - CAKE FACE1
        
        I saw the headline by the Labour lickspittle Master Luke “Use the Force” Malpass, and I thought – you’re trying to normalise the use of the word “prick”.
        
        This is Master Luke supporting poor old Cindy, in what he thinks and hopes is a subtle way.
        
        The Team of $55 million know that to continue to get their filthy lucre, they need to be creative in their cheerleading for Cindy.
        
        Master Luke Malpass is a completely shameless socialist.
        
        Propaganda merchants such as this “journalist” Malpass need to be called out for their corruption.
        
        One day, the paid for media will lose their government funding, and I will celebrate.
        
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        December 14, 2022 10:28am
  - Rusty
    
    @ Maggy.
    
    The c word is used more by men towards other men than women but I get your point.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:43am
  - Nickc2
    
    Probably not leftist Journalists but I will if they’re Labour Politicians.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:44am
  - Nickc2
    
    Given the number of alphabet people in the Labour Govt, what are we to refer to them as?
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:48am
    - Paulus
      
      What did the late Cullen call New Zealand’s rich people I remember.
      
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      December 14, 2022 1:33pm
- cmm
  
  The title is an interesting froming of the situation:
  “PM Jacinda Ardern under pressure in a Parliament full of tired, grumpy pricks”
  
  It’s the fault of the grumpy pricks.
  
  It is telling that they didn’t write:
  * “PM Jacinda Ardern can’t cope”
  *”PM Jacinda Ardern os rude”
  etc.
  
  Nope, it’s written to transfer the blame to the grumpy pricks that are letting her down and standing in the way of her perfection.
  
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  December 14, 2022 3:12pm
  - Scooter
    
    Spot on, it couldn’t possibly because Jacinda is tired and grumpy? MUST PROTECT AT ALL COSTS.
    
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    December 15, 2022 12:07am
Yvette

Prick
Newshub demonstrates how Ardern’s potty-mouth tends to taint Them all, with their headline –
How Parliament spiralled a bit out of control on second-to-last day of political year
– which. as Newshub goes, does tend to say it all
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/how-parliament-spiralled-a-bit-out-of-control-on-second-to-last-day-of-political-year.html
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December 14, 2022 8:00am
krazykiwi

I see that Sam Bankman-Fried, founder of the collapsed cryptocurrency exchange FTX, has been arrested in The Bahamas.

This will be interesting. SBF was, in part, operating a laundering/funding service for the Democrats. He will know where all the bodies are buried which leads me to believe any ‘justice’ he faces in the US will reflect the quality of his silence. And accidents do tend happen when informed minions fail to stay quiet. Correlation, not causation you understand.
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December 14, 2022 8:02am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Agreed – if hes a smart lad, hell be very very worried that if he makes it to Christmas it might just be his last.
  
  Was Hilary going to be popping in to see him?
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even though a crook he would be wise to put out a warning.
    “I want you to know just in case you’re wondering, I’m in perfect health, my brakes on my car in good shape, and I’m not suicidal.”
    Kari Lake.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:20am
- Keith White
  
  He will not have killed himself.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:22am
  - gravedodger
    
    His suicide is set down for Christmas eve to be buried along with his now unwanted worldly existence, it is certain the Democrats will not be refunding any of the purloined lucre either.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:10am
- Simon
  
  Yes its interesting illegal ballot harvesting isnt cheap and the Dems certainly need the money.
  
  Why is US Dem money laundering important for NZ? Because with recent the China / US divide NZ is clearly in the US camp. Orders and instructions will come down to NZ from failed Dem govt ideology. Which without the political corruption would never see the light of day, which will harm NZ.
  
  There are no checks and balances against the stupidity from US. Zero carbon, social credit system, digital currency etc etc. Forced upon NZ by a corrupt and failing system.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:26am
- cmm
  
  He looks like he could hang himself with a roll of toilet paper.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:36am
- NothingLeft
  
  Presidential pardon inbound? Clinton did it for Marc Rich in return for large amounts of moolah ending up in clinton controlled accounts.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:41am
- RoboRob
  
  I dont know about him knowing where the bodies are burried.
  
  My take on it is simply that he was buying power and influence by funding the Dems. In the same was as Apple, Amazon etc are doing. Note that while he was slashing cash at the Dems and making woke statements, other business partners were funding the Reps, just in case 🙂
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  He was arrested just before he was due to speak to Congress
  Seems odd as you would have thought they would let him incriminate himself..
  He’s being doing a bit of that this week
  I see his ex girlfriend Ellison (who ran Almeda) is in New York. Apparently she has retained a top Law firm with strong Democrat connections and a reputation for doing deals with the DOJ
  Will she roll over on Bankrupt- Fraud?
  It may be that the Dems have to give back the over $73 million they received
  But given the corrupt DOJ, probably not.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:35am
  - cmm
    
    It is my understanding that girlfriend might be overstating it.
    
    From what has been written/said, they were both having sex with anything that moved so more traditional couple loyalty probably doesn’t apply here.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:50am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Look over there. Trump university!!!
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:14pm
mikenmildagain

Fifty years ago today, Eugene Cernan became the last person to walk on the moon, after returning to the Apollo 17 lander. His crewmate, Harrison Schmitt, is one of four surviving astronauts to have walked on the moon. The youngest of these men is 87 years old; the oldest 92. It’s not clear yet how many more years the Artemis programme will take to land a human on the moon, but it’s possible by 2030, when Buzz Aldrin would be a hundred.
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December 14, 2022 8:04am
- cmm
  
  The Apollo programme was never about science. It was always locker-room politics. Once someone had landed there and “won” the space race, then everyone lost interest.
  
  There really is little point in sending people to the moon. Send robots. Much cheaper, can last much longer and no need to send flowers if something goes wrong.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:26am
  - RoboRob
    
    Agreed. However some to the technologies used to get to the moon are an important step in getting further afield. For example refuelling in space.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:07am
    - cmm
      
      To the best of my knowledge, refuelling in space was never done on any Apollo mission.
      
      I’m not sure I see much point in going further afield. Sure, there’s the curiosity factor, but what are the actual practical benefits?
      
      Almost all the valuable space work is being conducted close in – earth orbits. Almost all of the useful stuff is conducted using satellites.
      
      Some of my work goes into the space sector. Sure, there’s an ego-rub seeing your work going to a far planet. But is it useful? I don’t really think so.
      
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      December 14, 2022 9:23am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I still find it incredible that they can communicate with a rocket out beyond Pluto. Just stunning.
        
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        December 14, 2022 10:22am
      - rangitoto
        
        If the Earth is hit by a large asteroid, it might be considered useful to have an off world self sustaining colony. The self sustaining part is entirely non trivial but you could never get to that point without all the baby steps.
        
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        December 14, 2022 10:55am
      - RoboRob
        
        I meant, the current moon mission is building towards Mars (by doing things like refiling).
        
        People often hate on space exploration as being expensive when things on earth could be better. It’s a bit like the argument ‘why are spending on x when we could be funding more hip operations’. There are heaps on innovations from space research that have made the world a better place, even simple things like the ballpoint pen and Velcro. I fully expect a trip to Mars will have major benefits for society, probably in the nature of things like miniature power generation or food and water purification.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:01am
      - cmm
        
        Alan: Yup, radio is an amazing thing.
        
        Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 were launched over 45 years ago and are still going strong and transmitting back to earth from over 23 billion km away.
        
        It does that with a 22W transmitter – way less power than a cellphone tower.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        23 Billion kms away and still hasn’t found Jacinda’s integrity or Mikenmild a girlfriend
        
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        December 14, 2022 12:23pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        AoR has forgotten to point out that America’s recent space achievements are solely due to his idol reinstating the Moon/Mars goal.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:02pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @cmm, do you know how they do it? I imagine they have a focused beam and a huge aerial array?
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:35pm
      - cmm
        
        rangitoto: I’d say that even if earth is hit by a dinosaur-killing asteroid it would still be easier to fix earth than to attempt to terra-form a planet.
        
        An earth that has been wiped by an asteroid is still a far better starting point than Mars or such – which are little more than rocks.
        
        The primary thing you need is an atmosphere with the right balance of gases. And an atmosphere needs the right level of gravity to keep it in place.
        
        To terraforming a planet to make it habitable, you’d first need to find a planet that has the right gravity to hold a suitable atmosphere, then build the atmosphere, oceans etc. None of those exist in our solar system, so it would have to be a planet in another start system.
        Then it would take thousands of years, if not millions, to transfer resources to the new planet to start the construction.
        
        That is part of the interest in places like Titan which have some of the raw materials, but unfortunately lacks the gravity (and is too damn cold).
        
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        December 14, 2022 3:27pm
      - cmm
        
        Alan: When you want to calculate whether a radio link will work it comes down to what is called the “link budget”.
        
        Basically, you multiply together (we’re lazy so we generally use logarithms – dB – so that we can add them together instead):
        * the transmitter power.
        * the gain of the transmitter antenna.
        * the gain of the receiver antenna.
        * the sensitivity of the receiver.
        * the path loss (ie. distance squared).
        
        The power is fixed and limited (those 22W or so).
        The antennas are extremely high gain (highly directional dish antennas etc). Obviously the one on the space probe can’t be changed.
        The receiver sensitivity can be improved over time by slowing the signals down (lower data rates) and by using improved low noise electronics etc.
        
        But, yes, it is really a modern miracle that it works.
        
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        December 14, 2022 3:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Created employment, just like Wars do.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:27am
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/

Bhahahahahahaha – Our PM and her idiocy is top billing in the States!
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December 14, 2022 8:05am
- Chris Morgan
  
  And look at the misfits she’s keeping company with on the homepage. Beautiful morning isn’t it?
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:46am
alloytoo

I see the NZ Labour party has passed another piece of legislation which creates another class of citizen and will discriminate legal adults on the basis of age.
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December 14, 2022 8:10am
krazykiwi

Here’s a story I hope Sean Plunket reads: Sudden Deaths Explode in Germany After Vaccine Rollout, New Insurance Data Show.

Like so many vaxx advocates, this data is seriously challenging to the sacred canon of Safe And Effective™. There is now so much evidence of harm lying in plain sight that it has become normalised to plead that everyone “just moves on”. Many will do that to avoid having to confront their having been wrong on this matter. For my part I believe this to be an epoc-defining period, one where humanity has been subjected to bio-crimes, psyops and annexations of civil liberties on a never-before witness scale. I won’t “just move on”.
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December 14, 2022 8:16am
- cmm
  
  There are some reports that a German nurse administered approx 8600 jabs of saline instead of CV19 juice.
  
  It would be interesting to see what the stats look like amongst these 8600 people who thought they were jabbed but were not.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:31am
  - Sacha
    
    My suspicions were aroused, firstly when I read that there were 10 ‘doses ‘ in each bottle of vaccine. Usually each ampoule contains one measured dose: this is largely to protect the recipient and ensure the correct dosage is given. For instance, you might be prescribed 10mgm of morphine, and would use an ampoule containing 10 mgm . Similarly you might be prescribed 500,00 iu Penicillin, and each dose would be from an ampoule containing just that amount, no matter how much water was used to mix it. What would happen if your freshly taught but medically uneducated vaccineadministrator gave you more than the recommended dose from the multi dose ampoule? b) and again when I read that there were different code numbers within the same ‘batch’. Why?
    At the very least it spoke of lack of care for the recipients when introducing a foreign substance into the body.
    Every ampoule that I have ever used had an expiry date on the label. Multi dose bottles were occasionally used by specialists, eg: anaesthetists, who might need to titrate dosage during the course of an operation.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:12am
    - cmm
      
      I don’t put myself forward as an expert on these matters, but it would make a lot of sense to me using multi-dose packaging for mass vaccination campaigns.
      
      Probably 90% of the bulk and weight of a dose is in the packaging (ie. the vial). Putting 7 doses in one reduces the shipping logistics by a factor of 7. A seventh of the boxes, a seventh of the pallets, a seventh of the storage fridges, etc etc.
      
      The packaging is absolutely the last thing I worry about when it comes to the legitimacy of the vax, but that is not to say that there is something to be concerned about.
      
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      December 14, 2022 9:31am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Alarm bells for me was when they said they have found a way to adminster extra doses per bottle.
      My understanding of simple maths suggests otherwise.
      
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      December 14, 2022 9:32am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Remember in NZ we squeezed 6 doses out of the 5 dose vial by using a new technique. Ashley and Jacinda were quite chuffed because it masked their delayed vax ordering.
      
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      December 14, 2022 1:38pm
- Pavel
  
  It comes back to the old saying that it is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:36am
  - Sacha
    
    My daughter told me yesterday that she has started wearing a mask again when she goes to the supermarket.
    I despair.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:14am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      My observation is that about 1 percent of people are wearing masks, maybe less. More likely if they are elderly, shop assistants, or uber drivers.
      
      I had not checked the New Zealand vaccination data for a couple of months. A couple of surprises for me…
      
      45 percent of those eligible have taken up the second booster (the ‘4th shot’). I did not think it would be as high as that. Notably it is still going up slowly but steadily. A total of 12,682 folk got a second booster last week.
      
      The real surprise for me is vaccination uptake for kids. It was stuck on about 25 percent after the initial rush. I thought it would stick there. However it has been going up slowly but steadily. A total of 49 percent of 5 – 11 year olds have now received at least one covid vaccine shot. Last week about 470 kids were vaccinated, and that rate has been holding steady for the last few weeks.
      
      Shows that I am way better at analysing data than predicting what parents will do to their kids 🙂
      
      https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data
      
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      December 14, 2022 9:47am
    - kevn
      
      @Sacha… Tell her that you can catch covid through your eyes. The particles soo tiny and your eyes are soo mucus/moist. Perfect host.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:06am
    - rouppe
      
      We were just told to wear masks again in common areas of our workplace.
      
      It’s my last day today for 3 weeks so pfft
      
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      December 14, 2022 12:53pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Krazykiwi; thank you for bringing that to our attention. Actuaries are boring, but when their figures are published their results are informative.
  I had become a bit of a climate change sceptic, until I saw the actuarial report on extreme weather events and their impact on insurance company losses. I had considered extreme weather reports as part of the “click bait” journalism carry on. Fire and pestilence will get you clicks!!! And then your bonus goes up. But I was wrong.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:42am
  - Linda Wright
    
    There are reasons insurance claims have increased due to weather events that do not rely on climate change. These include more human development in vulnerable areas, human caused changes to vegetation and landscape (eg cutting down trees) and the sheer increase in the value of buildings and infrastructure over time.
    
    Not saying you’re wrong, but it’s more complicated than simply climate change.
    
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    December 14, 2022 8:53am
    - cmm
      
      Correct. People are moving into more marginal land and this contributes to increased losses the world over.
      Examples:
      * Hurricane Katrina: Much of the worst impacted was relatively recently developed land. It had been previously undeveloped because it was marginal swamp land. When the levees were overwhelmed that was the first to go.
      * Bangladeshi floods: Just about every year the Ganges Delta gets flooded and tens of thousands of people are washed away or made homeless. They keep on coming back because it is the only place they can find to set up their little shacks. So they keep doing it and keep getting washed away.
      * Durban, South Africa: For decades there were strongly enforced regulations preventing people from building in flood prone areas. Now the government has pretty much collapsed and people build wherever they can. Those building in flood prone regions get washed away. About 400 died in the last big flood.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:01am
      - alloytoo
        
        Durban experiences a “Cut-off low” about once a decade which results in persistent heavy rain for at least a week.
        
        This is not a new phenomenon, it was part of the high school Geography syllabus in the 80’s and well understood.
        
        It’s frequency means that infrastructure isn’t engineered to cater for it.
        
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        December 14, 2022 10:14am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep Durban frequently get Tropical cyclones down the Mozambique straights.
        Shit of an entrance too.
        Port closes.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:32pm
    - Matt Long
      
      I lived in Townsville in the early nineties when it had experienced a long period of drought. After I left people built houses along the edge of the Ross river, some time later all that was left by flooding was foundations.
      If you like at satellite images of urban expansion around flood, erosion and earthquake/liquifaction prone land in the last 30 years you’ll understand why reports of insurance payouts have gone through the roof.
      Everyone’s insurance premiums double or triple so people can do stupid things, and councils can use the RMA in the most ridiculous fashion but not apparently to stop people buliding houses in flood zones.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:03am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Our insurance premiums have rocketed. Pretty sure it had absolutely nothing to do with climate.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:24am
      - JJ56
        
        It will be your insurer was exposed to Chch and Wgtn, and had been dining out on the reserves rather than putting them aside. We had a doubling of premiums from one such insurer, and went shopping and found another new entrant back in the old ball park.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:09am
    - WaynelSexton
      
      Man made climate change is a ridiculous theory. Just look into the Younger Dryas period 12,000 years ago.
      The planet cooled by 10 degrees in a matter of decades, lasted a thousand years then warmed again in decades.
      And they want to pretend that a degree of warming over a century is somehow caused by man.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:34am
  - Simon
    
    NZ’s worst “weather event” was when the Wahine sunk in 1968.
    
    Man made climate change is fake.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:31am
  - JJ56
    
    Since there has been no statistical increase in extreme weather events over the last century apart from temperature and sea level related (they’ve been increasing steadily since the little ice age), I’d stick with your skepticism over these matters.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:22am
- Simon
  
  Its probably even more basic than that. 6 million people died because of the virus created in a lab escaped.
  
  There is no political discussion around this. No talks about international agreements, frameworks and enforcement of standards around gain of function testing and laboratories. Complete utter silence like the virus came out of bat soup.
  
  “Just move on” Thats it.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:43am
- Matt Long
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/05/i-want-it-even-knowing-the-risks-younger-australians-seek-out-gps-willing-to-flout-covid-vaccine-guidelines
  Youg people who “understand the risk” of the vaccine,vshould they be able to get it, should other people be able to refuse it?
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:55am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  When you are anonymous no one knows you anyway, or if you’ve moved on or not. You can boast and brag to your heart’s content and listen in on other people’s conversations over coffee. Surely when you admiringly stare at yourself in the mirror for an extended time you wish you weren’t a hideaway so full glory could befall you like one of those buckets of shit at Parliament. You’re such a bewildering card, it’s kind of cute like a road runner cartoon.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You forgot your medication again Brian.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:32am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      If you post under your own name you don’t need medication “wee Mac,” try it.
      
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      December 14, 2022 12:02pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Brian, you treat the fact you post under your own name like a huge moral win and source of pride.
        Pretty sad lack of self-awareness for a person, who unlike many here, have a reputation or career that might be worth protecting, or use a nickname for a bit of fun.
        I use my own name on social media, but on other sites I reserve the right to use a nickname, and hardly care what someone of your own character might think of that.
        You are a bore, with this same ‘use you own name’ trope.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:11pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I don’t need medication “big Bri”. It’s one of the reasons why I didn’t need a covid jab.
        Are you up to date with your boosters? Hope so.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:27pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        All labour and green voters should definitely get covid boosters. lots and lots of them. After all they are definitely safe and effective™ with no down-sides. Podium of truthiness said so.
        
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        December 14, 2022 6:47pm
  - Simon
    
    RW anon got coivd right.
    
    Key ability for anyone from the Wellington Clown show is not be embarrassed by anything and keep moving on. So important for the cattle who believed the jaxx with all their might and thought Cindy had saved the economy. Moo.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:37am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The only reason lefties want to de-anonymise is so they can track dissidents down and bully them.
    
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    December 14, 2022 2:18pm
    - Ghost
      
      Pretty much, exerperince from left trolls is why I stopped using my name years ago
      
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      December 14, 2022 2:22pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – as you would be aware, I’m in the same boat when it comes to not moving on. This is not a minor disagreement with the neighbour re their loud music. As you say, this a defining moment for humanity.
  I’m finding things getting a tad “strained” around former friends who have firmly decided that this is “all over so stop mentioning it.”
  I rarely do, I simply wear my VFF freedom T shirt and watch as they try to avert their eyes. The one that still gets some is when they say “haven’t seen you for ages!” and I reply, “well that lovely Jacinda allows me to go out now…….”
  
  Some of the faces are priceless. One thing is certain, I’ve learned an awful lot about the people in my circles, occasionally I was pleasantly surprised, but it was mostly disappointment.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:27am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “….occasionally I was pleasantly surprised, but it was mostly disappointment.”
    
    Me too. I did choose to get vaccinated. However I deplored the vaccine passes and mandates on both scientific and moral grounds. I voiced my opinion loudly to anyone who would listen. I encountered shocking responses from people who I thought better off, for example on people excluded from jobs “Serves them right”. I saw friends and relatives cheering and laughing as the protestors were evicted from the Parliamentary Precinct.
    
    It was a lesson for me in how easy it is for tyranny to flourish.
    
    That is the single biggest gripe I have with Jacinda. She holds herself above constitutional and moral norms. A small but relevant example – yesterday Barry Soper asked her why she still had confidence in Ms Mahuta after she broke the Cabinet Manual rules over collective responsibility of Ministers. Jacinda replied “No she did not break any rules.” Seriously, this is what tyrants do. It is what the Stasi did in East Germany. Say that ‘black is white’ and threaten anyone who speaks up. And yes the Mahuta episode DOES matter because tyranny starts with small steps. Previous PMs (at least the ones I have seen) understood this. That is why a Minister who acted like Mahuta in a John Key, or Helen Clark Cabinet would have been immediately sacked, despite any short term political pain.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:57am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Thanks for your response Benedict. Your comments over the past few months are among those that give me some hope for the future in this country. That you are able to deal with a difficult issue, see the new evidence as it emerges and adjust position accordingly is a skill not enough people have. Ardern is a prime example of destructive intransigence.
      We have disagreed from time to time, but that is the nature of being a free human being, the ability to disagree, debate, reach consensus (or not). But to be able to do so with maturity.
      
      I have no issue with anyone wishing to take this vaccine, as I have done from the beginning I would advise against it. I feel most for those who were coerced or conned by the lies they were fed. My issue, as you are no doubt aware, is the compulsion, psychological manipulation and the bullying aspects. If it was a genuine health emergency none of these tactics would have been needed.
      As you rightly point out, these are the actions of a tyrant, not a “kind and caring” PM “leading with empathy.” That has to be the most ironic title of a book ever.
      Here’s hoping people can develop a spine, admit they acted poorly throughout the pandemic, particularly in their treatment of fellow human beings. They might be surprised, most of us won’t hold resentment, we want to move on, we want to get back to “normal”, but it won’t happen until there has been acknowledgment and a clear message that we will never accept anything like this again.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:43am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Would a spine be better than a T-shirt that no one understands? Confirming allegiance with old “a bob each way,” Bene is hilirious as was the McLeods being on both sides at Culloden. But not as much as you bragging about standing up to all comers by wearing a t-shirt “sometimes” and “simply watching.” I’d never insult the McLeod’s I know by comparing them to you because your’re a special one of a kind.
        
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        December 14, 2022 12:24pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Brian – do you have comprehension issues? The message on the shirt is quite simple. No, it wasn’t bragging, it’s a simple observation.
        
        As for Culloden, I wasn’t there, and the history wasn’t passed to me. Anyway, I try to not dwell on the past and live for the moment. The past is something to be looked at and learned from.
        
        I’ve tried engaging those who supported the covid clown show, but in too many cases it’s a complete waste of time because they refuse to talk about it.
        Like I said, spineless.
        
        I’m not sure why you are saying no one understands what is on the shirt? They do understand the message conveyed on the shirt, it’s clear from the cowardly and sheepish (apt) look on their faces.
        
        As for me being a “special” one of a kind. You know nothing about me, where I come from, my history. Nothing.
        
        Though I’m not sure what the point is that you were trying to make? Give it another go if it was important to you.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:38pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Bene is hilirious”
        
        A new word.
        
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        December 14, 2022 3:23pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “No she did not break any rules.” is yet another lie.
      She can not help herself. The rest of the World knows Mahuta circumvented Cabinet Rules. We have this Internet thingy everywhere.
      
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      December 14, 2022 11:24am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Clan. Did you read MBIE response to Ombudsman report into MIQ.?
    What a shit show.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      MM – yes I did. They said that they didn’t have the ability to compel a politician to apologise didn’t they? But it was clearly the message they were sending to Ardern and co.
      Chris Bishop is another who refuses to admit he might have been a bit “over zealous” to put it mildly, in his drive to jab kids and talk about door to door vaccinations.
      Like Hipkins, he is now hiding under the “not my portfolio any longer, no comment” rock.
      
      They are both spineless cowards.
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:47am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Good man.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:05am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I used to think highly of Bishop. No longer. I would not trust his judgement.
        
        No doubt he will be a Minister in the next Government.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:19am
      - Matt Long
        
        What’s Bishop, number 3 in National?
        
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        December 14, 2022 12:22pm
      - leoj
        
        The entire parliament are “spineless cowards”.
        
        They ALL hid behind the curtains and refused to talk to the protestors.
        
        Had one party leader done that, the protest would have been over.
        
        Looking at Luxon and Seymour too.
        
        Hugely disappointing that the two parties that believe in personal responsibility and choice, both showed their true gutless colours.
        
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        December 14, 2022 12:51pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        He wants to be prime minister, Benedict.
        
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        December 14, 2022 12:57pm
      - cmm
        
        IMHO, Bishop deserves the Cindy phrase: “arrogant prick”.
        
        He’s chosen a career path that makes him completely vulnerable as a potential PM, or even a Minister in many portfolios.
        
        His history of shilling for the tobacco industry gives the opposition so much ammunition.
        
        He might try the “that’s not my job any more” line, but it is a huge stain to remove. A sploosh of Janola won’t be enough.
        
        Even the most useless spinmeister can easily put together a smear campaign against him.
        
        eg. “Every time someone died of lung cancer, Chris Bishop made $10.”
        
        To be clear, I am not saying he did make $10 out of every death, or even blaming him for other people’s choices. I am merely using this as an example of the type of smear that is far too easy to use against him.
        
        Whether or not such attacks are “fair” or not is immaterial. He voluntarily chose a career path that opens him up to being easily smeared. That was poor decision making for an aspirant politician. Any party that uses him as a front-man would by skating on thin ice.
        
        Perhaps he can take on some ministerial roles, but a few are out of the question, including health and PM.
        
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        December 14, 2022 4:17pm
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-zealand-pm-caught-hot-mic-insult-rival-arrogant
NZ makes the lead story on Fox news
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December 14, 2022 8:18am
- G152
  
  Cinders Cindy slags sober citizen.
  Laughs at 11
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:24am
- peterwn
  
  A Herald journo seemed to have added the word ‘little’. That really magnifies the insult.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:58am
- Sacha
  
  Another quote for the yip, yip file. Along with the stoned photo that briefly emerged last week.
  
  If you didn’t laugh, you’d cry.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:19am
Matt Long

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/arizona-divesting-funds-from-blackrock-over-esg-push
Arizona pushes back against woke fund managers pushing ESG.
For those who don’t know, Black rock and Vanguard have substantial shareholding in nearly every company with multinational reach in the world.
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December 14, 2022 8:22am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Vanguard has made statements that they are backing away from ESG. I’d say that has to do with the backlash against Blackrock by State pension schemes. Blackrock have taken hits of 10’s of billions.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Vanguard is withdrawing from the Net Zero Asset Managers (NZAM) initiative. I suggest we should be careful interpreting that as backing away from ESG. It could be, of course. Then it could also be a reflection of the ‘quality’ of that initiative.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:27am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep. Interesting aint it.
    I sincerely hope this ESG funding is unravelling.
    We can start with the Reserve Bank.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:36am
  - Master Mariner
    
    https://www.crypto-news-flash.com/breaking-australian-citizens-can-only-access-bitcoin-if-they-have-enough-social-credits-report/
    Mean while in Oz.
    Coming too NZ soon.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:38am
- Matt Long
  
  https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/vivek-ramaswamy-on-keeping-ceos-out-of-politics
  Big three companies control more in assets than the US GDP and are using that power to push political agenda.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:42am
  - Matt Long
    
    Fonterra is going down the woke road proposing to impose Scope 3 greenhouse gas emission targets on its long-suffering shareholder suppliers.
    In the US shareholder pushback is happening, https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/key-changes-disney-exxon-anti-woke-investor-eyes-toxic-home-depot-chevron
    
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    December 14, 2022 8:50am
    - andydownhere
      
      Yeah even scope 3, what sort of name is that for groundbreaking change to fix the worlds supposed global warming? The woke Fonterra. To keep their customers happy they say. Who McDonalds? who make most of their money from fossil fueled cars thru their drivethrus. And littering the countryside
      
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      December 14, 2022 9:56pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The whole corporate entity was a problem. This was a good doco from a few years ago. This is the trailer.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MMx53V8M8s
    
    Corporations are a problem, but with decent governments in charge, they can be managed. What has changed has been the advent of Fund Managers like Blackrock and Vanguard. These groups appear untouchable and as pointed out, wield more power and influence than most countries. This gives them the ability to effectively govern by proxy.
    I don’t know how this is going to play it but I can’t see it working out well for most people.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:38am
- Master Mariner
  
  Is ESG the reason why Marsden Pt was dismantled and the ban on Oil and Gas?
  Have you read the Reserve Banks Policies.
  Sri Lanka here we come.
  I fail to understand how this has been implemented in NZ without further consultation and scrutiny by the media.
  Scorched Earth Policy.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:44am
- Master Mariner
  
  Remind me who personnaly greeted our PM during a “visit” to Blackrock.
  Larry Fink, Who so happens to be on the ” board of Directors” of WEF.
  Larry Fink is the architect of ESG.
  I wonder how NZ ESG score is tracking along //
  Should be getting close to Sri Lankas “impeccable” score of 96/100
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:12am
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/secret-shadow-banning-twitter-blacklist-explained
How tech companies control the flow of information.
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December 14, 2022 8:24am
- Matt Long
  
  https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/musk-remove-1-5-billion-twitter-accounts-announces-new-feature-users-tweets
  Musk planning to let Twitter users see how many people have viewed Tweets, making shadow banning harder.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:26am
- Master Mariner
  
  Waiting for Facebook and Google to release there strategy.
  How implicated are the NZ Government?
  Rather deep I would suggest.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:49am
  - Inandout
    
    MM, or our MSM more correctly who used Twitter as a news feed. If anyone can find our MSM even mentioning Musk’s file releases please link.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:38am
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/29/elon-musk-to-publish-twitter-files-on-free-speech-and-suppression/
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/elon-musk-says-risk-of-his-assassination-is-quite-significant/2TCG7UN4MNDVREZWOFMVUOOIOE/
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:43am
Souvlaki

Audrey Young interviews two arguably traitorous old National plonkers, who argue against Seymour’s referendum.They are out of touch imo.
Things HAVE gone too far…we need to restore equilibrium & a referendum may do that. This reinterpretation of the treaty is the divisive problem . We cant keep drifting into aparthied

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/co-governance-policy-jim-bolgers-challenge-to-jacinda-ardern/T53SLA5JOFDF3CU6E5SKCVLSYA/
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December 14, 2022 8:24am
- Gravelroad
  
  Jim Bolger needs to pull his head in and stop being an attention seeker.
  He is a runs with the hare, hunts with the hounds kind of guy.
  And he sold some of us out when he was in power.
  Had no time for him then and no time for him now.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:30am
  - Tricati
    
    Couldn’t agree more – Unfortunately the Ardern loving media know he will give them a juicy sound-bite, so he’s a go to guy. He should know his time is over so move on.
    
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    December 14, 2022 8:54am
  - JJ56
    
    I fear he has not hunted with the hounds for many years.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:29am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    JB did a good job, he spelled out that the message is not clear and that some are getting angry as a result. Right now that lies with Labour and the senior ministers. They’ve put the brakes on but are not seizing the moment to give clarity. At some point before the next election, it will be National’s problem as well, but for now, they’re avoiding the issue possibly to not lose voters to Act or NZF.
    Doug Graham opened a can of worms by saying what isn’t in the TOW can’t be enforced.
    So he was saying at the point of signing, the question, that if in the future Maori were the minority which arguably was the plan, or there would be no need for a Treaty to cross that bridge, how would their rights be enforced or limited? But that wasn’t included and could make for another 150 years of litigation.
    But his points about a “fair go,” and not a “partnership” but rather “like a partnership” hit the mark for the average middle-of-the-road person.
    As time goes on voices like JB’s will be lost or maligned simply for saying we need clarity. When will Luxon enter the fray?
    
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    December 14, 2022 1:20pm
  - coge
    
    JB chairs this council activist committee dedicated to fighting dangerous climate change. He’s wanting to foist a ‘managed retreat’ on the citizens of Kapiti. As part of his ‘legacy’ https://takutaikapiti.nz/
    
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    December 14, 2022 7:26pm
- Cassandra
  
  The apologists for our form of segregation and apartheid always quote divisiveness without thinking it through. Nobody is saying Maoris shouldn’t have a say – just don’t ask for more say than the rest of us. And don’t expect us to agree to tribal rule – this is NZ, not Kenya.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:00am
- oldfella
  
  Souvlaki: that article reminded me of ACT’s excellent policy to pass into law by referendum three Treaty principles:
  1 – All citizens have the same political rights and duties.
  2 – All political authority comes from democratic means.
  3 – New Zealand is a multi-ethnic liberal democracy where discrimination based on ethnicity is illegal.
  What’s not to like?
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:22pm
Pavel

I see Luxton in the herald this morning praising Zelenskys leadership style, going so far as to call him the Chamberlain of our time. What part of Zelenskys leadership style does he admire? Is it the civil war he has unleashed on a third of his people for the last 8 years? Or is it the money laundering and huge bribe payoffs to American politicians paid to cover his corruption. Or maybe it is that Zelensky has wiped out the opposition, made it illegal to be an opposition party and imprisoned and seized all the assets of every member of the opposition. If Jacinda made such comments I’d understand but not from Luxton.
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December 14, 2022 8:33am
- Sacha
  
  Come on Pivil, get it right, it’s Luxon.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:25am
  - Inandout
    
    Sacha, but..but..Keys. If you don’t like a person you usually play with the name.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Jaspinda”
      
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      December 14, 2022 11:43am
- Flossie
  
  His name is LUXON….. No “t” included.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  His advisors have clearly told him his position will be “popular.” Sadly they are probably correct. Zelensky is a bigger fraud than Ardern and she’s a master. He’s a former clown and playing the role perfectly for the real controllers of the situation, the US MIC.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Seeing the downticks, after almost 3 years of narrative control around covid I would have thought more people would be able to see it when it is in plain sight.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:45am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Same as Stalin sending family members to the Gulags.
    Some tried writting personally to Stalin that an official had made a mistake.
    30 to 40 percent are either incapable or unwilling to join the dots.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:44am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Chamberlain!!! Peace in our time!!!!
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:57am
- MCōs
  
  I’m not sure what Luxon sees in Chamberlain.
  Was he not the UK PM who misjudged Hitler’s intentions as he gobbled up Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia?
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:58am
  - cmm
    
    It was actually “peace for our time”, but nevertheless…
    
    Chamberlain gets a lot of beat-up on this, but in many ways that is unfair.
    
    Britain was in no way read for war when he said this in 1938. They had to buy time to prepare for war.
    
    In the mid 1930s, the RAF was still a bunch of old biplanes. The Hurricane had come into production in 1936/1937 but there were still few and insufficient to develop new tactics and train pilots etc. 18 squadrons of Hurricanes were readied before the war started (about 450 planes), the vast majority of those between when Chamberlain announced “peace for our time” and the actual outbreak of war. At the time of the appeasement, Britain had about 2 squadrons of Hurricanes (50 planes) and 400 planes (plus their pilots and support systems) were readied.
    
    If you look at the Navy or Army you’d see similar patterns of build up.
    
    So Chamberlain really had his back to the wall. He bought time which they used extremely well.
    
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    December 14, 2022 4:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      From the use of Hurricanes … to Ukrainian air defence …
      
      Russia seems to be gearing up to use against Ukraine old Antonov biplanes, first introduced 75 years ago, conjectures a British analyst. About 18,000 were built, and about 1500 are still in use in Russia.
      
      The analyst, whose video is linked to below, says it is being suggested Russia may be planning to use the old biplanes as missile decoys/drones — just as Azerbaijan recently used them against Armenians.
      
      Coming in low and slow the Azeris bailed out of the Antonovs just before Armenians fired anti-air missiles, revealing the firing site and spending an
      expensive rocket.
      
      The source says Ukraine is using anti-air missiles that cost up to a million US dollars each. It’s conjectured Russia is planning to convert into unmanned drones some of its 1500 or so Antonov biplanes. Each costs a tenth or less of the price of a Ukrainian missile.
      
      https://youtu.be/z7I3Illsuqg
      
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      December 14, 2022 10:56pm
  - coge
    
    Say what you will about Chamberlain, he wasn’t a thug in a tracksuit. Who Luxon seems to have taken a personal liking to. Who knows where that could lead us, under his potential leadership. Should this conflict expand outside of Ukraine.
    
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    December 14, 2022 7:44pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      coge – hush your mouth, do you have any idea how many hundreds of millions of dollars and hours and hours of media time have been put into creating a narrative that Zelensky is a noble person and a hero?
      Sure, it’s a bullshit story that can be shredded with 5 minutes of not very difficult research, but come on! Don’t let this enormous effort to whitewash the truth go to waste! They are getting a hiding on the covid scam already, this will really dent their confidence!! //
      
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      December 15, 2022 8:02am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Jo Luxton?
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:10am
  - Ghost
    
    Just as a side note often depending on the device autocorrect changes luxon’s name
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:27am
- Steve Todd
  
  Oh, come on!
  
  He called him the Churchill of our time!
  
  As Maggie would say: “Sheesh!”
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:23am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Maybe – but he’s definitely the Chamberlain – or the Vichy – of our time.
    
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    December 14, 2022 12:02pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Vichy wasn’t a person, Don, it’s a town in France.
      
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      December 15, 2022 5:34am
- Clownworld
  
  Globalists set up FTX to fail. Wait till all currencies fail, and the set up to digital world currency reset button is pushed.
  
  It’s for protecting against dangers to our democracies…. For the greater good.
  
  Zelensky is literally a bad actor.
  
  Luxon is just following orders.
  
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  December 14, 2022 4:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Zelenski addressing NZ Parliament.
There was a voiceover, why? I understood he spoke fluent English to the extent of correcting his translators. In fact I have heard him speaking English.
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December 14, 2022 8:33am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Did he happen to mention anything about banning the church, opposition parties, the media?
  
  No, didn’t think so, wrong narrative. ZMan good, PMan bad!!
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:52am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    He didn’t mention any of that because it did not happen.
    Only opposition parties, media outlets and church groups shilling for Russia have been banned which in any country which has just been invaded is pretty standard practice.
    If Australia invaded NZ do you honestly think the NZ govt would still allow Sky News Australia to be broadcast here telling us all how much better off we all are now?
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:32am
    - Ghost
      
      Did he mention the crimes of the neo nazi azov battalion and their woman and child trafficking, murder and rape.
      
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      December 14, 2022 11:08am
      - rangitoto
        
        You must read a lot of Kremlin propaganda.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:12am
      - Ghost
        
        Sure, if amnesty international, the UN and human rights watch are Russian
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:25am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        I doubt it because the actions of some obscure battalion which operated around Mariupol really pale into insignificance compared to the mass destruction and killing unleashed by Russia onto the rest of the country as a whole.
        Keep trying to introduce distractions though if you wish.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:28am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ross – so just like Ardern, anyone disagreeing with the “single source of truth” gets shut down, smeared and punished? She’s an inspiration for tyrants everywhere……
      
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      December 14, 2022 11:25am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Very lame comparison as New Zealand has not recently been invaded to the best of my knowledge but if we were then yes every collaborator and propaganda peddler should be shut down and rounded up and dealt with accordingly exactly what Zelensky has done.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:41am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ross – the comparison is perfectly apt. Whether the country has been invaded or not, the concept is the same. Suppression of any dissent.
        That isn’t democracy, it’s tyranny. No surprise that you’re a fan, most of Ardern’s supporters are. It helps explain the rise of the National Socialists in Germany in the 30s.
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:47pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Writing hysterics does not bolster your argument unfortunately.
        If there really was suppression of any dissent as you claim you would not be free to express your “dissent” every day on this blog but here you still are after a couple of years.
        The ombudsman expressed some pretty strong “dissent” in his report over MIQ the other day and he has not been suppressed or arrested as far as I’m aware….
        There must be two countries called New Zealand on the planet.
        
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        December 14, 2022 2:16pm
  - rangitoto
    
    You mean banning the Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchy, whose priests are FSB agents providing the Kremlin with targeting info for their infrastructure attacks.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:08am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is not under the sway of the Russian Orthodox Church – it is independent.
      
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      December 14, 2022 12:05pm
      - rangitoto
        
        The church that has been banned is directly under the control of Moscow. Full title “Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchy”
        
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        December 14, 2022 1:23pm
- MCōs
  
  He does speak English, but not fluently.
  I think at that level these people sometimes prefer to speak in their own language because they then have confidence in what they’re saying.
  The interpreter may stuff it up, but that can be corrected.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pretty fluent when I heard him.
    I guess what you mean is when he is speaking English, is he thinking in English?
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:49am
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/kirk-cameron-denied-story-hour-slot-public-libraries-faith-kids-book
Public libraries happy to host trans groomers but family friendly content not so much.
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December 14, 2022 8:33am
- Matt Long
  
  A Virginia eatery refuses service to a Christian family advocacy group because the business is tolerant and inclusive.
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/metzger-restaurant-cancels-reservation-for-christian-family-foundation/
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:03am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Bwahahahaha! Was that a Babylon Bee skit? lol Sure sounds like one. A bit like Ardern and her “kind and caring” mantra.
    
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    December 14, 2022 9:46am
- Ehlana
  
  So basically, taxpayers must fund the promotion of certain groups and perspectives in society, while the groups and perspectives that they themselves belong to are not permitted.
  
  If it’s important for LGBetc youth to feel welcome and see themselves in the books in their public library, why isn’t it equally important for Christian youth to fee welcome and see themselves in the books in their public library?
  
  Perhaps the librarians could look up diversity in their library dictionary – or are those banned too?
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:24am
krazykiwi

At last: DeSantis Empanels a GRAND JURY To Investigate Pfizer and Moderna.
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December 14, 2022 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  Not quite right.
  He doesn’t have that power.
  Their Supreme Court does and he has made a request, is my reading of that article.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You’re correct. I copied the article title verbatim and should have checked. I hope DeSantis is successful. Pfizer and Moderna are felonious organisations, and scrutiny in respect of their latest atrocities is long overdue.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good that we have an Independent Fact Checker on Kiwiblog.
    This is not an insult MCos, it is a complement. I like it.
    
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    December 14, 2022 6:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The World needs Nuremberg 2.0.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Wow, who could believe that 4 Government Departments were all lousy at giving out Taxpayers’ $$$$ to the Ormsby-Mahuta whanau?

What astonishing luck to hit a load of incompetents when Minister Mahuta was lurking in the undergrowth.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/12/13/public-service-review-finds-procurement-and-conflict-management-practices-at-four-agencies-fell-below-standard/
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December 14, 2022 8:36am
- cmm
  
  Some people have all the bad luck.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:38am
- Keith White
  
  “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action.”
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:45am
  - Inandout
    
    KW, mmm, not always.
    https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a38848664/martha-stewart-struck-by-lightning/
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      God was out to get her, and missed 3 times.
      Bad shot I guess.
      
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      December 14, 2022 12:03pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Luck? Hmmm, methinks not. When denial of $$$ would be met with accusations of waaaaaacism! it’s just easier to hand over some else’s money.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:49am
surfing

Surely planting exotic trees is highly damaging to the Mauri of the land?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-forestry-group-call-out-climate-ministers-anti-exotic-moves/QWE5AUYY5BD4RPZ6NPK4MVXXGI/

But, maori only see the dollar signs here.Taniwhas absent this time. Maybe it is because maori are affected for once?
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December 14, 2022 8:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I planted some pines just to annoy the natives. No, but they do make a nice change from millions of kanuka and totara.
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:35am
  - Ehlana
    
    And did any of the native trees object Alan?
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:18am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      One of the pines blew over. Not sure if it was sabotaged. The rest are doing fine. The possums and birds like the fruit and fig trees I planted so I’d call it a draw.
      
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      December 14, 2022 1:44pm
Harry Knuts

Cindy is finally showing her true colours as someone who despises to be questioned let alone criticised. The arrogance is all hers to own at her dismay and flustering that she’s been questioned in the debating chamber.
There is so much this Labour govt needs to apologise for, yet they refuse to. No matter how many inquiries and reports show their failings NZ will never see an apology from Labour. This shows blatant tone-deafness to the sentiment of the NZ people. Bring on 2023 elections and the monumental lose Labour will suffer. Then maybe they will reflect with regret??
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December 14, 2022 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Apology might come in the form of a nation wide Text, like the disaster emergency alert warning.
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:10pm
nathie

Isn’t the PM’s “arrogant prick” comment yesterday much worse than it seems? Because it exposes Ardern’s flaws, in fact perhaps her greatest flaws as a politician?

As in flaws that demonstrate she is not on top of how Labour’s policies actually play out in the real world and their consequences (instead she reverts to “idealism” as answers)?

And other flaws such as when she and Labour are actually caught out (by Seymour’s questions), and are therefore the “arrogant” ones, she cannot see that and instead accuses the person who posed simple matter-of-fact questions, as being an “arrogant prick”?

(And is this another example of Ardern “gaslighting”)?

So if she thinks Seymour is an “arrogant prick” for simply asking questions, a feature of a democratic parliament, what then does she really think of democracy?

Too hard? Unnecessary? An inconvenience?

Perhaps that explains Labour’s contempt and “arrogance” ramming through controversial legislation (that was never campaigned on)?

Finally if she doesn’t like Opposition questioning what does she really think of the MSM when they question her? When they are simply doing their job? In a democracy?

(You can bet there are some journalists she must really loathe)!

Like I say, flaws have been revealed and they are not good nor healthy for democracy!
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December 14, 2022 9:07am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  It’s not a new behavior @nathie, she’s more than once “dissed” the likes of Soper for such things. In this case she simply forgot the current ref isn’t deaf in his left ear and got dished out a yellow card for her trouble. I suspect there are a few individuals around ( Nick Smith comes to mind ) who think it should really have been a red……
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Democracy?’ Tyrants don’t do that thing.
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The dairy worker didn’t stab himself..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130737495/not-guilty-pleas-after-fatal-stabbing-of-sandringham-dairy-worker
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December 14, 2022 9:21am
- mandk
  
  The attackers will not be on trial until May 2024! Ffs.
  
  I guess it will take a long time to prepare reports saying they were victims of colonialisation who were trying to turn their lives around and only did what they did because they were desperate to feed their families.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:40am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    We need night courts to catch up on the backlog. May 2024 is ridiculous.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No corner dairies in 1840.
    How were families fed then?
    
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    December 14, 2022 12:17pm
    - RalphT
      
      More importantly, where did they get their ciggies?
      
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      December 14, 2022 12:27pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think they favoured pipes back in the 1840s
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/artwork/39861/contemplative-pipe
        
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        December 14, 2022 2:59pm
    - oldfella
      
      How were families fed then? Cannibalism?
      
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      December 14, 2022 12:30pm
Ross Campbell

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/second-anti-vax-couple-want-unvaccinated-blood-for-seriously-ill-toddler/JCLJYZDG2BHJ7OIAPOJZTZBLQ4/

Seems all the carry on with Baby W is really starting to bring all the fanatics out of hibernation again.
This time they are taking the baby to India where they have been promised “first class blood and surgery”.
Wonder if that offer was made by a random caller also offering to check their internet connection?
Anyway good outcome in my opinion because blood from donors like myself can be much better used on people who are grateful for another chance at life instead of time wasters like this.
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December 14, 2022 9:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Indian medical services for those who can pay are almost certainly as good as if not superior to ours. They have been operating and serving those westerners who can afford it for many years now.
  
  There is no evidence that blood from a vaccinate person will not cause problems for an unvaccinated baby. The judge in the baby W case simply said there was no evidence that it would do harm. It’s a strawman argument. As a parent, I would be similarly concerned and would happily take out the loan needed to ensure I could get my child unvaccinated blood. I would probably have looked at the US first, maybe somewhere like Singapore, but cost may have been an issue.
  
  I will bet any money that the parents have done extensive research. They will care nothing re your opinion of them or your blood. Fair play to them.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:55am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    If you have such a bee in your bonnet about all this Clan then the same applies to you really.
    Have a car crash and need a blood transfusion to save your life then feel free to turn down my blood plus others who donate regularly.
    Die on the slab as its no skin off my nose.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As pre the Pfizer experiment, if it was life or death then I’d take the chance. It isn’t and never was. The same with blood. If it was bleed to death or take tainted blood I’d give it a go. But not for an elective surgical procedure. I would go somewhere that permits directed blood donations.
      The vaccinated blood MIGHT be fine, I don’t know, nor do you or anyone else. It could be a couple of years before we know.
      
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      December 14, 2022 11:29am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        “The vaccinated blood might be fine, I dont know, nor do you or anyone else”.
        On this one we agree but you also forgot to say that outside KB and anti vax circles the rest of society by and large also could not care less and don’t even consider it an issue.
        I suppose they have more mundane things to get stressed about like feeding their children and finding money to go to the doctor etc.
        
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        December 14, 2022 11:51am
  - MCōs
    
    Go to India where they have first class blood.
    What does that even mean?
    I would suggest the blood right here in NZ is first class too.
    As for the medical treatment. I’m sure it’s like Bangkok. The more money you have the more shiny the floors.
    The hospital I regularly visited had a bloke in a suit playing a piano in the atrium. Free chilled orange juice in the waiting rooms.
    Not a long wait at the cashier. Medication three times the regular prices at the pharmacy.
    But the medical staff and the kit was on a par with here and that’s what you go there for.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:30am
Frank Hematuria

If we can have a “Maori Caucus”, our racist, post-colonialist overlords, it must surely be OK to also have a Pakeha Caucus?
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December 14, 2022 9:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And what about our Asian and African MPs?
  
  Wouldn’t it be a damn sight easier to just run an inclusive caucus and not form little cliques based on ethnicity?
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:55am
- graham
  
  In a country where a student club at Auckland University called “The Auckland University European Students Association” was:
  • described as controversial
  • accused of being a “thinly veiled white nationalist group”
  • accused of racism and fascism
  • accused of “undermining the safety of students on campus”
  • referred to as a “Nazi” group
  • warned by then-Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy that “she would be keeping an eye on the group”
  • intimidated with threats of violence
  
  I suspect not.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/controversial-auckland-university-club-disbands/GO7DGDDQ42QGIIADK27ENMQTJA/
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:34am
  - oldfella
    
    Graham: I’m waiting for the inaugural Maori All Blacks vs Pakeha All Blacks game. //
    
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    December 14, 2022 12:34pm
    - Rusty
      
      @oldfella
      
      Way back in 1973 the All Blacks did play the NZ Maoris in Rotorua. The ABs won, can’t remember the score.
      
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      December 14, 2022 3:19pm
Surely Knott

Yesterday’s headline ” Hit-and-run driver says he was distracted by attempt to warn him to stop”

“The driver who struck and severely injured Ryan Phillips as he lay asleep on an Invercargill road had driven past a car in the middle of the road, flashing its hazard lights, its occupant waving to warn him.”

The driver has been charged w failing to stop- 100% fair enough . That is extremely serious. The article says “Careless driver causing injury charges had been withdrawn.”

But who was at fault for the accident and why was the fact the guy was sleeping across the road completely blocking the lane withheld from previous news reports.

It seems, the person hit was walking home from the pub had lay down and slept in the middle of an unlit road at night with his head on the centre line and feet across the lane.

An oncoming car stopped and put their hazard lights on . The driver said he thought the person with the hazards waving may have been broken down and wanting help himself and looked at the car to see. And when he turned to the front it was a person on the road.

Why is the person sleeping in the road after visiting the pub not also charged or at least verbally being held partly responsible by media. They are putting all blame on the driver.
Why weren’t both driver and sleeper breath tested.
Why did previous media reports leave out the fact that the victim was sleeping in the road. Legally, If my sheep get on the road I can be charged if it causes an accident, but are they saying if i come home blind drunk and sleep across an unlit road i am not responsible.

Driver failing to stop is an extreme action and deserves prosecution.

But sleeping in the road is an extreme and bizarre action that is easy to avoid. It created a serious hazard for both the sleeper and the driver..

If the car had not hit the person, but swerved completely off the lane and hit an oncoming truck or flipped into the ditch, and the driver died would it change the legal outcome. Would the sleeper or driver be at fault?

Anyways, I’m glad they have both come out of this alive and hope the young man’s recovery is a full one. But i thought it was an interesting legal decision and another example of media withholding key info to present a preferred narrative.
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December 14, 2022 9:23am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Can this be made a bit clearer please – at what point was the driver obliged to stop?
  
  Because if it’s now a legal obligation to stop whenever some random flashes their hazards and waves at you, that should be a bit of a concern for any woman or otherwise vulnerable person driving alone at night in an unpopulated area.
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:16am
  - Ehlana
    
    I don’t think you’re obliged to stop for that. I think you are obliged to stop to avoid hitting an obstruction on the road ahead of you – whether its another vehicle or a person.
    
    With hindsight, it would probably have been better for the first driver on the scene to park between oncoming traffic and the person on the road, with hazard lights on. The second vehicle would then have slowed down to go around the first, and missed the person.
    
    I’d also think the pedestrian should be charged with something. I’d be charged if I left my car parked so as to cause an accident, so sleeping in the road should be same.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:23am
  - cmm
    
    No, there is no need to stop for someone waving or flashing their lights, but you should at least proceed with caution and slow down to a speed that allows you to stop if there is a hazard in the road.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:25am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  If a person leaves a pub so drunk that they lay in the road comatose or fell and knocked themselves out, like I would infer from this, then the pub needs looking at.
  Surely must be excessive drink and maybe drugs.
  Plenty of examples I know of people on the booze falling asleep in weird places, or even going into random houses looking for a place to sleep. Completely out of it, and thinking they are home it seems. Had a relative frightened by such an intruder into the home, and also had a friend be the guilty party another time.
  Also had a workmate who left a party and then ended up on train tracks or in front of a train somehow, which can only presume was tripping over & KO, or fell asleep, or killed themselves – hard to ever know.
  Common ingredient in all of these: Booze and possibly drugs.
  
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  December 14, 2022 1:31pm
Maggie Pie

PROTECT & SERVE….

Imagine being a new Police Officer out West Auckland this morning and looking across the Tasman at what happened in Queensland yesterday 🙁

You’re on a starting salary of 50k, received little more than 16 weeks of training, (half of which were Te Reo immersion courses), unarmed, required to literally put your life on the line most days, and to top it off, expected to get around in a 4-cylinder Skoda.

When you compare the job description and annual income to say someone like the MP-for-Tijuana, surely you would ask yourself…. “Why f –ing bother?”

Just saying.
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December 14, 2022 9:35am
- cmm
  
  Too right!
  Choice:
  * $30k a year to sit on the couch and smack the girlfriend when she’s slow to bring another RTD, with a side hussle in meth/dope/cigarettes/fencing bringing in a another $25k tax free.
  * $50k a year – tax to be shot at and have disciplinary proceedings against you any time you thump someone.
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:44am
Rusty

Does anyone else think Jacindas remark to Seymour was the same way she felt towards Mike Hoskings when she used to appear on his show?
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December 14, 2022 9:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. And it is ‘Hosking’.
  
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  December 14, 2022 9:59am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Rustys,
  Who the Hell is Mike Hoskings?
  It’s HOSKING.
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:07am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Upping the anti on your “precision” corrections eh Capt 🙂
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:30am
  - Rusty
    
    Ok Captain — Hosking.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:18am
  - Matt Long
    
    He’s the friend of that man John Keys, and the new guy Luxton, and the hardly lamented ex Labour wannabe PM Cuntcliffe.
    
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    December 14, 2022 12:06pm
- David Garrett
  
  Rusty: I’m sure you held that former PM John Keys ?
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:56am
  - David Garrett
    
    …bugger should have added “…in high regard?”
    
    Trying to be funny, and falling flat on my face.
    
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    December 14, 2022 10:57am
    - Ghost
      
      Oh I don’t know, your original comment gave me a good laugh.
      
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      December 14, 2022 11:00am
  - Rusty
    
    @David.
    
    Remember ex-PM David Lange pronounced Long-ee?
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:16am
    - Matt Long
      
      Germans 🙄🙄🙄
      
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      December 14, 2022 12:08pm
    - Swifty
      
      I saw him interviewed once and the pronunciation or origin of his name came up.
      
      He said (roughly) “Yes, it’s actually German, Laaang-a.”
      
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      December 14, 2022 6:16pm
- DimChappie
  
  Yes she is now exposed as a potty mouth tyrant. Each of her critics is either a P..ck or a Cnut for having the nerve to challenge St Jacinda of the Potty. She has her own global ambitions and does not give a Fcuk for her subjects.
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:01pm
  - Flossie
    
    And absolutely no morals. Apologises, then says she stands by her comment/insult. Her word is worth nothing.
    
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    December 14, 2022 5:17pm
    - Ghost
      
      She didn’t really apologise, got up and basically said because it is now in Hansard I withdraw and apologise, snarky little bleep. If Lockwood smith was speaker he would have had her stand again and do it correctly
      
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      December 14, 2022 5:30pm
cas

Interesting article by Jo Moir in newsroom this morning.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/retiring-mps-do-little-to-help-arderns-reshuffle-headache

She says about Kiri Allan
Justice Minister Kiri Allan has struggled under the weight of a portfolio full of complicated and contentious reforms, many of which have left her exposed in interviews and in the House.

Ardern could see fit to find a portfolio better suited to Allan’s skills and particular style.

I posted on here once before that Kiri didn’t look too well. Yesterday in the House we thought she dozed off a couple of times, mind you that might have been listening to Chippie and the Brylcream boy. Perhaps she might not go the distance either.
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December 14, 2022 10:16am
- graham
  
  To be fair, remember that Kiri Allan took medical leave last year after being diagnosed with stage 3 cervical cancer. I imagine that’s hit her hard.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:14am
- Blog-aholic
  
  She is only in remission still. Maybe stress is not good for her.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:18am
Maggie Pie

Listening to the ‘political-panel’ on ZB this morning.
Sounded to me like that guy filling in for Mike might have the hots for Megan Woods.

You could never say the same for The Hosk 😀
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December 14, 2022 10:44am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggie: There are indeed such fellows…they are known as “Chubby Chasers”
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:54am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    At sea the ladies in question were known as :” Heavy Lift Jobs”
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bwhahahaha
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Ewwwwww
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:35am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/is-there-a-case-to-pursue-here/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Eight-Reasons-Why-Co-Governance-Must-be-Stopped-December-2022.pdf
This is pretty full on, and many will not like this angle of looking at Co-Governance.
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December 14, 2022 10:54am
Swifty

Years ago we had an aspiration to see more Maori professionals, instead what we now see is just more professional Māoris.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/130675280/te-ptaka-whaioranga-pharmac-creates-new-role-to-strengthen-mori-voice
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December 14, 2022 11:08am
General

Listened to the full ‘interview’ by Sean Plunket with Steve Kirsch if you could call it that. It’s hard to put into words how infuriating that completely misled clown makes me. The evidence from many credible sources in many nations shows a very alarming signal that these products are anything but ‘Safe and Effective’. It isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s a very confronting fact that will become harder and harder to obfuscate and explain away. This is not a surprise to me at all as the people I had calculated to have the much higher likelihood of accurate predictions and assessments are having their cases bolstered more and more everyday, unfortunately considering the amount of uptake.

The level of denial amongst the populace and their smug and arrogant attitude towards someone like me who protested the roll out and even more sinister coercive mandates along with all other covid measures every step of the way (Still have yet to catch Covid to the best of my knowledge) While many co-workers had days and up to a week off following their jabs and lacked absolutely any curiosity or concern with very few exceptions.

I have resigned from my role at Fonterra recently after 10 years due to the absolute trampling of personal rights by all levels of management and also the Dairy Workers Union, it was absolutely disgusting. All about health right? So when as a person being 6ft tall drops to 57kg’s due to the constant threat of termination on completely bullshit grounds and management was made aware (Never had a day off during production also) The handling of all the nonsense measures by this countries largest private employer was also very telling. The completely invented statistics emailed out by the CEO and other morons was glaringly inaccurate and I suspect just fabricated to justify their adherence to the single source of truth brainwashing going on. Not that masks have any proven efficacy (Even N95’s also according to some recent studies by what I can deduce is a pretty legitimate source) during the most panicked stages of this circus there was none provided and none worn until very late in 2021. RAT testing prior to shifts was distributed in May of this year. Incredible level of incompetence despite being yet another totally pointless activity in the first place. If you disagree fine. If they are so effective then people should wear theirs and stop being petulant children about shaming anyone who chose not to for a multitude of reasons, I choose not to is sufficient is my view.

I thought I was the only one opposed to all of it out of hundreds of people at this particular site but thankfully found a few other skeptical minds eventually, I didn’t try to raise the issue obnoxiously but I did invest a great deal more time than anyone else I was aware of assessing this from all sources of information available. The day the lockdowns were announced I thought the best course of action was to put all resources towards protecting our older and vulnerable population and to leave everyone else alone to get on with life, It was known almost immediately this posed very little threat to children or young adults and the dystopian style communication that was rolled out here and elsewhere made my intuition extremely suspicious. Being a relatively reserved person generally I still felt compelled to have conversations with many people at work and with family that things didn’t add up and I believed there was an agenda being pushed to achieve compliance and a number of other goals.

To list all of the inconsistencies throughout this ongoing slow moving train wreck to those who don’t appeal to authority immediately would have me all here all day, it’s absolutely ridiculous any child or honestly anyone under the age of 50 ever considered taking this experimental gene therapy with all the information that wasn’t particularly hard for me to find. Very safe off label use drugs were smeared and restricted and rational and very easily accessed beneficial advice or actually helpful behaviour modification seemed to never enter our public health experts brains. It’s truly sickening. I was quite adamant with anyone who would hear me out that giving this to their children was a very bad idea and I’m glad I did.

It’s encouraging to see the narrative finally being pierced through in the mainstream ever so slightly but the fact these are still being advertised and especially to children is seriously disturbing knowing what is undeniable at this point.

Some recent data and information I’ve reviewed is even worse than my pessimistic view of this issue ever predicted. I have seen KK and ClanMcleod bring many of this similar information to light on this platform but I feel like the alarm truly isn’t being raised enough. Some recent links for anyone interested that cover this, apologies if they have been posted before. I don’t always read the entirety of the comments here each day.

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-most-important-dataset-of-the?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/we-now-have-a-clear-estimate-of-the?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/please-watch-senator-ron-johnsons?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/please-watch-senator-ron-johnsons?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/highlights-from-the-ron-johnson-covid?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/live-now-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-accountability?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

The take of most of the public seems to be all of these people are purposefully trashing their reputations and taking fairly substantial financial losses for no reason other than they are ‘anti vax conspiracy theorists’ I truly loathe a large segment of the population these days and never held a very high opinion of the majority of humanity in the first place. It’s been a very depressing few years for those that don’t just automatically accept what they are being told. Truly shameful how people acted. Respect to those like Benedict who despite choosing his own course of action which I disagree with, never pushed and pressured anyone else into theirs. Sign of a very well adjusted and empathetic individual. I wish our politicians had those kind of attributes. Only Matt King. David Seymour really let himself and everyone else down because prior to this I had a lot of respect for him and will still probably vote that way just to ensure the Labour clown show is prevented from doing any further damage.
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December 14, 2022 11:14am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Your frustration is felt by many of us. It has been a difficulty and at times, depressing journey. Keep moving forward, the truth is always the truth, no matter how much energy Ardern and co expend trying to control the narrative.
  
  Here’s another excellent source of information regarding the covid clown world we live in.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/maxwells-demonizing
  
  This will pass as all other things do and you will always be able to hold your head up, unlike so many of our fellow citizens.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:40am
  - General
    
    Thanks man, another excellent resource I have kept up with for a long time but bears repeating. You’ve been incredibly well informed throughout this mess, huge amount of respect. Truth can’t be censored forever despite the success thus far. Elon shining a light on things is very encouraging and I am growing in optimism lately. Finally!
    
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    December 14, 2022 12:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Sorry to hear about your Fonterra experience. The company I work for was similarly enthralled to The Narriative™, and that make for some colourful discussion prior to me be sent to work from home for 5 months.
  
  You’ve cited A Midwester Doctor who writes The Forgotten Side of Medicine. Like you, his is a Substack resource I highly recommend. In particular I recommend this post which has sections on the history, and mode of operation of each of the major vaccines deployed today. I learned lots from this.
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:41am
  - General
    
    Thanks brother, been reading his substack for quite sometime and sharing his output elsewhere for awhile. You have done an exemplary job here among others and helped keep me sane throughout. A relative Dr also highly skeptical is personal friends with Caroline McElnay and despite push back behind the scenes the cult of Ashley Bloomfield snuffed out all dissenting opinion. Hope you are doing well.
    
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    December 14, 2022 11:54am
- Ross Campbell
  
  I have quite a bit to do with Fonterra in my day to day activities on one of their largest sites in NZ and my experience has been completely the opposite from yours.
  They have bent over backwards to try and accomodate staff through the pandemic and have only terminated people as a last resort after all other forms of resolution were exhausted.
  Just because Fonterra and the NZDWU did not see things your way does not mean they are useless as they have to make decisions for the whole staff and not just for individuals who have got a bone to pick about a certain issue.
  Sorry you chose to resign but ultimately if you are that disgruntled then maybe it was for the best for all concerned.
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    bwahahahahaha!!
    
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    December 14, 2022 1:15pm
  - General
    
    Thanks for the laugh Ross, disgruntled? I had every manager and supervisor encouraging me within my first two years there to take on further responsibilities as I was a very valued, reliable and made very few mistakes overseeing and running my department despite being one of their youngest employees. Privately I had senior staff confide they actually agreed but I understood the difficult position they were in and left amicably without making a fuss as that’s my nature. The facts remain they did fail those of us now vindicated by the experts with integrity and courage to challenge this despicable group think mentality that took hold. Seems you are the one bending over backwards to justify that behavior. They should be ashamed.
    
    I wasn’t the only one to leave who was very well trained and useful. Your opinion is meaningless to me. Take a hike with the rest of the cowards too self interested to question the narrative. I was right and they were complying with lies. I have IT qualifications and plenty of other options ahead of me but earning a large income isn’t what drives me. Honest work and working with people with integrity is a far higher priority. Your experience noted but to suggest I’m bitter is amusing. I can call on 30 or more people still happy to give me a very honest and extremely positive reference for future roles elsewhere. Thanks for your reply. Another opportunity to point out the opposite of your assertion is what actually took place, only reason the mandate didn’t stick was enough tanker drivers not playing ball, good job fellas!
    
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    December 14, 2022 2:08pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      “Only reason the mandate did not stick was enough tanker drivers not playing ball”.
      Absolutely not true as plenty left because of the mandate or were terminated and the only reason it was rescinded by Fonterra was a change in policy to line with current Govt policy which rescinded the mandates.
      If the govt had have stuck with mandates so would have Fonterra in all probability.
      Tanker drivers have always been stirrer central in the company but sorry you can’t claim a win for them on this one.
      
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      December 14, 2022 2:27pm
      - General
        
        Ok. Fair enough. I concede that point and have no real proof. Have a nice day, no sarcasm intended genuinely. I take far more issue with the Government and media. They are a business working off poor decisions above them. I hope they do well.
        
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        December 14, 2022 2:45pm
      - Ross Campbell
        
        General
        From your comments it would seem you were a line operator and I’m sure you are aware that at the height of Covid regardless of what the government decided mandate wise Fonterra had very little choice but to introduce vaccination requirements,daily RAT testing and mask wearing etc or else a large number of overseas buyers simply would not buy product anymore(especially China who are a massive customer).
        So this issue runs far deeper and is way more complex than just government edicts.
        In fact compulsory mask wearing looks like it is now going to be a permanant requirement in parts of the company producing product for certain markets.
        Very annoying but totally out of the companies control.
        
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        December 14, 2022 3:03pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  General your post is too long for me. Life is short 😂 Things to do, and all that.
  
  However, I did listen to Plunkett “interview” Kirsh.
  
  Plunkett was a complete and utter butt-head on that occasion. Shockingly bad!
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:25pm
  - General
    
    LOL! I don’t blame you. Lengthy time of frustration finally expressed, I was going to leave an apology for that but I had to conserve a fraction of scrolling space on the comment at least. Self indulgence is not my style usually but hopefully a few gleaned one or two insights from the experience of a factory operator plague rat.
    
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    December 14, 2022 2:40pm
    - Clownworld
      
      General thanks for sharing.
      Well done for keeping your integrity and keeping your critical thinking skills in a challenging dystopian time.
      
      The political corporate response in lock step with the current Govt in NZ,led to me leaving on principle.
      
      It is not a simple left vs right, it is integrity vs lack of integrity. ( Check out Peak Prosperity).
      
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      December 14, 2022 4:57pm
      - General
        
        Chris is great, been sharing him and Dr Johns videos for over 18 months now. Good call, Neil Oliver has been one of the best also. Glad Youtube has left them alone. Very important voices challenging all the BS and for helping get through to people. Hopefully they continue growing their reach even further. Many others who are contributing significantly also but those mentioned really stand out for me as well. Didn’t find any through here so quite encouraging we all discovered them independently.
        
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        December 14, 2022 6:23pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  [ts:da] mod.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:09pm
G the giant from Dunedin

I see Robertson saying he is continuing with the unemployment tax.
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December 14, 2022 11:37am
General

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/white-house-flips-out-after-musk-says-fauci-funded-research-killed-millions

Well done Elon Musk

The man with one of the worlds highest IQ’s take from 2 years ago

https://twitter.com/RealChrisLangan/status/1340475467816583168
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December 14, 2022 11:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forgetting Covid for a moment, the left are very nervous about what Elon Musk may release when unlocking Twitter accounts. All sorts, pedos, child porn, drug rings, Epstein’s contacts book, 2020 Election fraud, Hunter’s laptop, and things much worse that will not be mentioned here.
  End fact is many could be going to jail. They don’t want to go to jail. Remember, it is not just the Democrats. Republicans are not squeaky clean. So are ex politicians. A lot of the past will be exposed.
  Musk will time this perfectly for maximum effect.
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Should mention, Elon Musk was once in the Democrat camp, not now.
    
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    December 14, 2022 1:19pm
  - General
    
    Republicans are the less grubby wing of the defecating bird that is the US government. Tucker (Surprised what he’s able to cover) and Jimmy Dore from each persuasion have been pretty good at highlighting the corruption despite slight biases occasionally. Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi excellent amongst the rotting corpse of corporate media. Good comment Steve
    
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    December 14, 2022 2:53pm
    - Clownworld
      
      All good sources. Don’t forget Dr John Campbell and Peak Prosperity.
      
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      December 14, 2022 5:02pm
NothingLeft

Stunningly bad balance of payments for NZ, now up to $30Billion/year: https://www.interest.co.nz/business/118852/statistics-new-zealand-reports-countrys-deficit-between-what-we-received-exports

And this from a farmer-hating govt intent on destroying our main source of foreign income (ignorant of the fact that that is what pays for all the toys they enjoy). Labour are truly destroying any hope for NZ’s future.
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December 14, 2022 11:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are too kind. Labour and Jaspinda are fucking over NZ to leave it looking like a bloody stinking swamp, all for the next National/Act Govt.
  The bastards know this just as Clark and Cullen did.
  Spiteful pricks.
  
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  December 14, 2022 1:00pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, mostly down too the cost of energy.
  In addition the great cash splash and uptake of ev’s etc.
  The elephant in the room is China and the opening up after Covid lockdown.
  Watch oil prices spike then. Already starting.
  I can see it not getting any better in the next 5 years.
  NZ $ Depreciating and high costs of energy.
  Never has so much been squandered for absolutly nothing to show for it.
  Time to pay the piper Im afraid.
  Bright side is Russian oil is making its way to Asian refineries.
  Mostly India and china.
  Paid for in Rubbles, yuan and Ruppees.
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:20pm
- Prince
  
  I would like to see the ‘Highly Confidential’ advice they are getting about the economy, hopefully from Treasury.
  Things must be dire when a Labour PM instructs her ministers to review all spending plans (code for what they would call ‘slashing budgets and throwing hard-working Kiwis on the trash heap’ if National was the Govt).
  
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  December 14, 2022 3:30pm
Maggie Pie

Woman seriously assaulted West Auckland…..usual suspects 🙁

http://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1602788984874496000

(Bit of a shame KB doesn’t attract comments from women out WA….they could follow me here for self-defense advice)
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December 14, 2022 11:43am
- Ghost
  
  At least they have a photo, shouldn’t be hard to find it
  
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  December 14, 2022 11:49am
- Surely Knott
  
  Lol Maggie. Mt Albert is Auckland Central, not West Auckland. Central is your neighbourhood!
  
  You Remmer’s Girls need to chip in for some better security cameras. It’s a crap picture of the piece of garbage who assaulted the lady. Hope she’s ok.
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:57pm
CAKE FACE1

I made the mistake of listening to a podcast with Claire “The Communist” Trevett. I didn’t make it all the way through – it was simply too degenerate.

It is useful listening to Team of $55 million Labour lickspittles, because they tell you in advance the arguments that the Cindy campaign will try. I suspect that Cindy has already prepped the Team of $55 million to try these arguments out on the public, and since these lickspittles are no more than the propaganda arm of Cindy’s government, they dutifully comply.

Ms Trevett said two people were responsible for the fall in Cindy’s and Labour’s poll ratings. These are the two names she chose to highlight:

1. Mr Putin
2. Mr Orr

So the Cindy campaign is going to be based on the idea that the collapse in the economy, health and education is all not her fault. The crime wave is caused Mr Putin! Look, a squirrel!

Cindy will also claim Mr Luxon is inexperienced. This is a bit rich, given that Cindy’s only real world job was working in a fish and chip shop. Cindy has no shame at all.

Obviously, the government can’t campaign on their track record. This is unequivocally the worst government in our history.

Poor old Cindy. She will lose the next election. The main issue is how badly will she lose? Also, what long-term damage is now being wrought to the Labour party brand?

Freedom is precious. We must fight this corrupt Team of $55 million, or we will be slaves to the socialists.

No surrender to the lickspittle Labour media! We need to call this corruption out, whenever we see it.
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December 14, 2022 12:32pm
- Master Mariner
  
  1. Mr Little
  2. Mr Robertson
  Be my pick.
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:23pm
Sparrow

Have a question. With the impending Hate Speach legislation would “Arrogant Prick” be regarded as hate speach?
Mind you parliamentary privilege would protect Cindy.
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December 14, 2022 12:41pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I believe so. Prick is gendered language and therefore would be covered in the same way racial slurs are.
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:50pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  Mr Seymour is part Māori.
  
  Perhaps Cindy is being racist again? She has form on this. Remember the Asian KFC worker?
  
  I don’t agree with the hate speech legislation, but I certainly support locking up Cindy in the slammer…
  
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  December 14, 2022 12:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  Didn’t she say we’d know Hate Speech when we see it? Well, Cindy, mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the greatest Hate Speech offender of them all eh?
  
  When did she say she’d have an anti-Hate Speech bill before the Parliament? Sure as hell won’t be before the next election. Oh, the hilarity if she tried it.
  
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  December 14, 2022 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think it would depend on who was the recipient and whether or not they wanted to have a sook because it ‘offended’ them.
  Boy oh boy, there are a lot of sooky bitches out there.
  
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  December 14, 2022 1:05pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Don’t confuse this so-called ‘hate speech’ legislation with anything to do with speech. What it is really is a loaded gun. Benign, until the government directs their enforcement branch to take aim at anyone they choose. Fascists of yore set the standard. Amateur-hour tyrants like Ardern just want a piece of the action.
  
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  December 14, 2022 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from Tennis retweets…..

“Import Third World – Become Third World”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1602806017796018177
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December 14, 2022 1:12pm
- mandk
  
  Ahamed Aathil Mohamed Samsudeen
  
  Catholic or Jewish? //
  
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  December 14, 2022 1:54pm
  - Swifty
    
    Baptist.
    
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    December 14, 2022 6:02pm
CAKE FACE1

How do you become a Third World country?

This ought to do it:

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/118852/statistics-new-zealand-reports-countrys-deficit-between-what-we-received-exports

This should be the main item on the news all week, but it will probably hardly be mentioned.

Our lickspittle media probably aren’t covering it up. They are simply too uneducated to understand the implications.

The New Zealand peso could come under pressure…
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December 14, 2022 1:19pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Depends on what the imports were.
  
  If they were Capital Items, ie machinery, ships, aircraft, equipment to build things OK
  
  Lots of consumer goods no not really.
  
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  December 14, 2022 5:11pm
Ghost

Full petrol taxes and public transport costs will kick in again from April, as Treasury predicts a recession next year.

Finance Minister Grant Robertson in his Budget Policy Statement for 2023 – which sets out the priorities for next year’s Budget – said the Government would extend the petrol tax discount at 25 cents per litre until February, then decrease it to 12.5 cents per litre in March, before dropping it altogether.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130757988/government-to-reinstate-full-fuel-taxes-treasury-predicts-2023-recession-in-financial-update
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December 14, 2022 1:23pm
- david
  
  Took a bit to find but the absence of any reference to the RUC discount was confirmed at the NZH website Where it was clearly stated that there is to be no extension to the RUC discount.
  Sloppy reporting at Stuff, TVNZ, etc
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:54pm
Ghost

Article is paywalled but video isn’t, great interview

Co-governance policy – Jim Bolger’s challenge to Jacinda Ardern

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/co-governance-policy-jim-bolgers-challenge-to-jacinda-ardern/T53SLA5JOFDF3CU6E5SKCVLSYA/
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December 14, 2022 1:29pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130757871/christopher-luxon-the-statesman-emerges-as-the-ukraine-war-beams-into-parliament

The 55 Million bribe seems to be faltering??
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December 14, 2022 2:16pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  This is why I had some sympathy for Willie, in his recent train wreck interview.
  
  Mr Tame had $55 million to live up to his name, and be tame. He was “negative” about Willie’s policy of creating an enormous state funded Labour party propaganda engine.
  
  Mr Tame was biting the hand that fed him. How dare he! Purely from a value for money perspective, Willie was correct to be outraged. He was simply throwing good money after bad, if Mr Tame wasn’t willing to be a Willie lickspittle.
  
  The economy is going to enter a massive recession in 2023. The NZD could collapse, causing further inflation. Interest rates will rise, business failures will be common, and mortgagees will be their worst level since 2012. The housing crash will continue all the way until the next election.
  
  The Team of $55 million will abandon the Cindy cult, one by cowardly one.
  
  Polling next winter will be interesting. I’ll stay with my party vote prediction of 25% for Labour at the next election, but they could go much lower, if the recession is half as bad as I think it will be…
  
  I hope Cindy is still in charge of Labour on election night. Justice! I can’t wait to see her face. I’ll have extra popcorn ready! I can hardly wait…
  
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  December 14, 2022 2:47pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    According to Roy Morgan it is 25% now. I predict under 20% by election time.
    
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    December 14, 2022 5:08pm
- Prince
  
  Of all the slings and arrows Ardern has suffered this year, this will hurt the most.
  Beaten at her own game, in her own back yard.
  Luxon gets better by the day.
  
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  December 14, 2022 3:15pm
General

“not just for individuals who have got a bone to pick about a certain issue”

Reducing this to ‘a certain issue’ is laughable, it’s a fairly significant one. No concessions or options were discussed. It was me saying no and being told get on my bike. It was very disappointing and I lost a significant amount of weight through stress (dealing with a very devastating family revelation during the same period they were also aware of) over an extended period of time that zero concern was expressed over. All about health though right? I didn’t cry about it, I left for my own well being and am quite satisfied I put the truth and spreading awareness over my own financial benefit. People such as yourself deserve a wake up call but I avoided any toxic conflicts and generously offered a long notice period to not burden my team and get the new hire up to speed as there was a lot to figure out entering that role without specific experience.
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December 14, 2022 2:31pm
General

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/people-skipped-covid-vaccine-higher-183148392.html

Gold!

Alexis
4 hours ago

They are on to us. We are a unvaccinated family and after our morning coffee and potions, our first act of witchery in starting our day is what traffic laws we can break that day. We have our eye on cheating on our taxes next year, hoping to instill real core values into our kids on how medical freedom can lead to a stellar life of crime with enough hard work and dedication. Insert eye roll with vomiting emoji .
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December 14, 2022 3:10pm
Ghost

A fourth person has died in New Zealand where a link to the Pfizer Covid-10 vaccine could not be excluded, the Ministry of Health has announced.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/fourth-kiwi-dies-where-link-to-pfizer-covid-10-vaccine-can-not-be-excluded-say-health-authorities/FU4V4VET5FGWLC6F325E6AIKHE/
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December 14, 2022 3:19pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ardern locked down an entire country of 5 million people on a single case of Covid-19 (admittedly, and rightly turning us into an international laughing stock)
  
  Yet the vaxx is killing people who did what they were told by the ‘experts’. The veracity and volume of mortality evidence supports this. And the government’s response is? Well? Yup, crickets.
  
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  December 14, 2022 3:45pm
- cmm
  
  Of course this is very unlikely to be only the 4th death.
  
  The number “saved” will be much higher because of the crazy way they count stats.
  
  The way they count deaths of CV19. Died within 28 days of infection counts as a CV19 death.
  
  Shouldn’t died within 28 days of getting a jab count as a vax death too then? Nope, they don’t count it that way. The coroner needs to find a clear, causal link.
  
  If we used the clear, causal link for counting deaths and hospitalisations then I doubt the CV19 stats would be a tenth of what they are.
  
  For example, when I was last in hospital there wiere 13 on the ward (me and 12 others) who were counted as CV19 hospital cases. Of those none were admitted for CV19 or complications of CV19. Most were actually infected in hospital and were clearly NOT admitted for CV19-related issues.
  
  Lies, damn lies and statistics with the goal of fear mongering!
  
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  December 14, 2022 5:22pm
Ghost

Man the life rafts, woman and children first. The boat is sinking fast

Labour minister Peeni Henare is refusing to confirm whether he will stand at the 2023 election.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/peeni-henare-refuses-to-commit-to-standing-at-2023-election.html
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December 14, 2022 3:25pm
- rockape
  
  Seems he is running now. I suspect that may change if the polls keep going down for Labour.
  
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  December 14, 2022 5:52pm
Benedict Yu

Very rare praise for Luxon by the media:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130757871/christopher-luxon-the-statesman-emerges-as-the-ukraine-war-beams-into-parliament

And I must agree this is poor form by David Seymour:

“Seymour touted his party’s pressuring of the Government to “do more” and went straight for the political pitch: “If our Government changes before you win, the New Zealand Government will do a lot more than the $3 million you saw today”.
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You don’t play domestic politics like that when the President of Ukraine is addressing Parliament – or any leader of another country.

Seymour is usually better than that.
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December 14, 2022 3:30pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  $tuff seems to be wandering away from it’s previous straight and narrow path of late – some buyer’s regret creeping in maybe? Re Seymour – can’t say I see anything particularly unusual.
  
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  December 14, 2022 4:21pm
  - MCōs
    
    Re Seymour: What he said was par for the course for him. He can’t let things lie, and must have the last word.
    
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    December 14, 2022 5:09pm
- Its only I
  
  Actually no, he isn’t.
  He keeps a clean foot, helps with the insertion.
  
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  December 14, 2022 6:57pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Why not? What is the point of standing around making bland noises rather than saying what you really think?
  
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  December 14, 2022 10:49pm
Maggie Pie

Are those holed-up in Rotorua’s emergency housing really just a lost cause?

Asking for a friend.
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December 14, 2022 4:33pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Pie – They are Labour voters.
  
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  December 14, 2022 5:09pm
- cmm
  
  Yup, they’re probably a waste of space to Cindy. I doubt many of them vote.
  
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  December 14, 2022 5:14pm
cmm

So Cindy apologises, but stands by her “arrogant prick” comment.

FFS. In what world does that work? It’s either an apology or not!

It’s like crossing your fingers behind your back. Pathetic and childish.

Would the in-group-preference mums that vote for Cindy accept such behaviour from their kids? I doubt it.
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December 14, 2022 5:14pm
- rouppe
  
  Yes, she apologises only on the basis that the remarks were recorded in Handsard.
  
  Not that they were rude, or wrong, or inappropriate for a statesman to say.
  
  Just sorry she got caught
  
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  December 14, 2022 5:27pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, “I’m sorry you are offended” style of apology.
    
    Kids’ stuff.
    
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    December 14, 2022 6:00pm
- Prince
  
  It’s one of her increasingly obvious failings. Never apologise. Never admit you were wrong. Never correct your course.
  Immaturity, in a word.
  
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  December 14, 2022 7:22pm
MCōs

I see not only is Mr Musk no longer the richest man around, but Twitter has stopped paying rent and is considering not paying severance pay to staff made redundant.
He’s either bought a dud or in short order it’s going to rise again.
Tesla shares have halved in value since September.
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December 14, 2022 5:22pm
- cmm
  
  I have little time for Musk and is certainly no darling of mine, but he has done society a service by kicking the desks over in Twitter.
  
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  December 14, 2022 5:24pm
Gravelroad

Heather du Plessis Allan spoke to a Maori man from Northland on her show just after 4pm today. Or rather, the man ranted at her – she didn’t get to have much of a say.
This was the man who organised a protest about the plan to stop karakia at local body council meetings (since rescinded to other options).
He said the legally elected mayor was a white, racist coloniser – amongst other personal and race based insults..
If anyone thinks we don’t have a big problem here, please listen to the “interview”.
Sorry, am unable to link to it.
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December 14, 2022 5:28pm
- cmm
  
  Crickets from Meng Foon no doubt.
  
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  December 14, 2022 6:02pm
- Ceepar
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/
  First interview after the 4pm news.
  
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  December 14, 2022 6:14pm
Maggie Pie

Being the last day of the year I thort I’d watch QT.
Obviously the new Speaker hasn’t banned Labor-list MP’s from bringing their snotty nosed kids into the Debating Chamber 🙁

SHEESH!!
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December 14, 2022 6:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Last day in Parliament. How many will be there?
https://www.parliament.nz/en/get-involved/features/confirmed-house-sitting-programme-for-2022/
The Speaker will be speaking to 5 I guess.
🙂
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December 14, 2022 6:25pm
General

Hey Ross re read my first post, the date application of those ‘controls’ reveal the farcical nature. FYI I did 1 RAT test. Nobody verified them at all STARTING IN MAY 2022 by the way which shows how poorly managed it was(Don’t freak out I wouldn’t attend with any legitimate symptoms of this or similar) many staff milked time off and masks weren’t worn by many on night shifts. I barely complied during the day honestly. Managers weren’t policing it diligently except for office hours, yes i’m well aware of those stipulations by customers and it’s nonsensical and pathetic but I do understand that totally. Very glad I left. Were you a full time employee recently? Why so defensive? My job was very physically demanding at times in changing temperatures so I would remove mine when I needed to breathe more efficiently. (In view of managers who didn’t challenge me) Sorry you’re upset some people don’t like uninformed and pointless advice being ordered. Consensus does not equal sense. No longer an issue for me. I already own my place free hold so I didn’t have the same debt pressure as most. The coercion was truly disgusting and more people should have pushed back who could is my feeling. I don’t begrudge those who went along in far worse positions than me and feel no sense of superiority for my choices I get it. Pro-vax cheerleaders were and are a disgrace though, will never back away from that stance. This is the reality, I wasn’t interested in being treated that way so keep making excuses but some more respect for staff isn’t an unreasonable request. I am batting .1000 and Fonterra’s leadership struck out on many contested points of view on the matter, I could care less what any idiot in Government or the likes of Wiles and Baker had to say, they are contemptible freaks, liars and hypocrites. All of them.
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December 14, 2022 6:59pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  [ts:da] mod.
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:07pm
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    Then don’t comment
    
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    December 14, 2022 8:09pm
- Matt Long
  
  General take a look at Campbell’s comments regarding those seeking unvaxed blood for their kids, his opinion on tolerance and bending over backwards is several deviations from the normal range.
  One of the telling things about Fonterra’s proposed mandates is that they were to come into force once the peak processing season was over. That could be a coincidence but…
  
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  December 14, 2022 8:37pm
Ghost

Andrew Little and Jacinda lying, no, they wouldn’t do that, oh wait.

A patient advocate has called the Government liars and claims they fudged the numbers on their Pharmac funding.

Health Minister Andrew Little admits the 43 percent increase in spending it recently touted actually includes money it had already reallocated to the drug-buying agency.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/patient-advocate-calls-government-liars-claims-they-fudged-the-numbers-on-pharmac-funding.html
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