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Scott

My Facebook feed yesterday contained this article from news hub. Apparently the new Maori health authority is not enough. Maori people need equity right across the health system which I think means more Maori control of the new health system of Aotearoa?

This shows me a number of things. First of all that identity politics is never satisfied. The new Maori Health Authority is only just being established and already it is not enough. That shows us that appeasement does not work. Radical Maori activists will never ever be appeased. They can only be resisted.

Secondly it shows me the complete sell-out of the news media to radical neo-Marxist thinking. The idea that Maori people are oppressed. The idea that the health system is racist. The idea that if Maori people live on average six years less than white people this is incontrovertible evidence of systemic racism.
Where to begin? First of all when James Cook discovered New Zealand in 1769 the average life expectancy of a Maori person was 30 years. Cook met some very old Maori men who were actually only about 40 years old!
Secondly do people have no responsibility for their actions anymore? For example the people who are most likely to smoke cigarettes are Maori women. That would account for a lot of the discrepancy right there. Also you would have to look at factors like diet and exercise before you automatically concluded that our dedicated health professionals are racists!

There appears to be an abandonment of reason in the thinking of the middle-class radicals that run our country now. The idea that Maori people lived in a state of simple paradise and by tapping into ancient Maori knowledge things will get better for Maori people. Actually the Maori people lived in a very basic tribal society where life was often brutal and short. Chronic warfare and cannibalism were features of Maori society. The idea that returning to pre-Christian pagan ideas including Maori creation myths will help Maori health is ludicrous. The Maori prophet Ratana warned his people against a return to pagan tribal beliefs.

Lastly I would add that a separate Maori Health Authority on its face is racist. Perhaps it would be helpful if you imagine this. A number of white doctors and nurses got together and established a local health clinic for white people only. How long would it take for the entire weight of liberal opinion to condemn them as hopeless racists?

One can only hope that the opposition upon retaking the government benches will have this whole hopelessly flawed health edifice gone by lunchtime.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/health-leaders-call-for-kaupapa-m-ori-led-initiative-across-agencies-to-help-fix-inequities.html?fbclid=IwAR1zRxG-hpeelg6ulkteIUT_uQ-TmeWjwrbK6kzjTPgBu16vmsysQhw6cj8
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December 12, 2022 8:00am
- kowtow
  
  When “equity” means more for one identified group over another , you know we really have gone down one hell of a rabbit hole.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:34am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Don’t use the far-left’s propaganda and euphemisms, always call things by their correct names. It’s racism, sexism and racist aristocracy that the left wing proponents of intersectionality (and critical race theory) are working to install in our institutions and governance.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:07am
- alloytoo
  
  In the past century Maori lifespans have increased substantially more than other New Zealanders.
  
  Is this a sign of systemic rascism?
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    As has all races, go figure.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:45am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Maori lifespan may have remained the same???
    
    But the injection of Pakeha DNA in to modern Maori may have contributed to extended lifespan.
    
    Yes joking, but what if it were true?
    
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    December 12, 2022 6:52pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Why is collective blame easier than individual responsibility?
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:59am
- General
  
  We need working class Maori and ones with reach to call it out but unfortunately even our slightly balanced media pundits are group think and self preservation orientated first and foremost. Mike King threw a jab at Labour on radio a month or so ago and Mark Richardson with one to Free (Stuff for me) Willy regarding funding for the higher classified race regarding homelessness. We are pretty far gone. People that don’t see your assessment here as 100% accurate are seriously maladjusted or willfully dishonest.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:08am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Maori incidence of death from Covid is a fraction of the incidence of non-Maori in New Zealand.
  
  Gimme more money! I feel inequitised! Racists!
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:44am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Median Maori in NZ is 26, vs 38 for everyone else. Covid risk goes up 3x per decade of age.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:09am
    - Ehlana
      
      That’s the sort of useful information that puts things in perspective that should be compulsory in these discussions. But seems more often forbidden.
      
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      December 12, 2022 2:24pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If Māori won’t go to the doctor, then they won’t go, whose fault is that?
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:44am
  - Ghost
    
    Always Maori in my GP.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:46am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, and do they get told to piss off, or to they get treated? Simple question
      
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      December 12, 2022 4:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        Only person I’ve seen told to leave was abusive to the receptionist so deregistered from the gp and kicked out. I’ve seen people turn up for an appointment on the wrong day and he’ll still see them then rather than send them away until their appointment.
        
        Maori are not denied medical treatment in the hospitals or gp, it’s a myth to push for separatist Healthcare.
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:22pm
- Philview
  
  Last night, I turned over to TV3 News as didn’t want to watch John Campbell’s propaganda on youth crime. Once on TV3 there was a story about Morocco’s world cup game which seemed to see the victory as being about a free Palestine. Then followed the story about Maori Health Care. After a couple of minutes of racist this, racist that,racism, racist, racism I turned off my TV.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Well said, Scott. In respect of …
  
  “One can only hope that the opposition upon retaking the government benches will have this whole hopelessly flawed health edifice gone by lunchtime.”
  
  … I recommend you don’t hold your breath. National’s track-record in dealing with Labour’s legislative and social atrocities has been to appease and optimise.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:40am
  - Philview
    
    The next National/Act Government is going to have an epic To Do List. Social cohesion has to be a major priority and somehow set the tone again that we are meritocratic country.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:34pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I hope the To Undo List will be even longer.
      
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      December 12, 2022 1:55pm
- tavita
  
  On the latest of my infrequent visits to Auckland, I discovered that in my absence, Maori has replaced English as the lead language on all signs at the airport, on street signs and for announcements on the trains. It seems the idea is that Maori should be able to get around without knowing English at all and we pakeha have to adapt and learn the language to enable this to happen. If it encourages Maori parents to rely on only being able to speak maori -send their kids to total immersion Maori language schools for example they are condeming the new generation to a poverty of opportunity. No one else in the world will speak Maori. Do they know that? Do the officials at AT realize that they are creating a massive impediment but think its an own goal and would serve them right?
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:40pm
Maggie's partner

Extraordinary lack of political news in the Herald, Stuff and Newshub this morning – possibly because it would all be bad for their paymasters?
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December 12, 2022 8:03am
- oldfella
  
  Stuff’s political cartoonist(?) managed to ignore Hamilton West today which should have been a sitter for something even mildly funny.
  BTW, anyone know where Cindy was on Sat night? Certainly not at the Labour losers party in Hamilton.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Retirements for several ministers coming, wait for the storm, could come today after cabinet, iHeart Nash is on the list.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:46am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Yep. It’s like Labour getting smashed almost never happened.
  
  That’s what you get when the media are all lefties.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:11am
  - MCōs
    
    The result in Hamilton West was entirely predictable no matter how much the National Party tried to make out they were ‘underdogs’.
    Furthermore the rise of ACT is about the only point of note to come out of this by election & quite frankly that’s bad news for NZ.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:39am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I doubt any of that is true. Certainly ACT could be expected to poll well when MMP “Electorate vote Nat party vote ACT” did not apply. And ACT voters and some Nat voters could be expected to have been motivated by this Government’s extremism. But equally Mahuta’s heartland should have been supporting her for Labour as well as the faithful indignant at Sharma’s “treachery”. Likewise Sharma should have siphoned off some Nat votes.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:57am
      - MCōs
        
        Specifically which bits aren’t true?
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:22pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        LOL at Hamilton being Mahuta’s ‘heartland.
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:39pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Specifically which bits aren’t true?”
      
      Every single sentence.
      
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      December 12, 2022 5:30pm
- coge
  
  The media are awaiting further substantial and comprehensive tax payer funding. To which they believe they are entitled.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:41am
Warren

Just a question on my perceived view on Media Bias. Would any one have the same view as me that if Labour had won the latest Bi- Election in Hamilton West on Saturday the News would be headlines in or on most media sites in New Zealand today.
Even our Prime Minister has not been interviewed on Nationals win and I am pretty sure that there was only one comment from her on the result and that was a half a dozen words of congratulations to the National Candidate.
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December 12, 2022 8:06am
- pdm
  
  Warren – a media person may have contacted her for a comment and been told in no uncertain terms to:
  
  `go forth and multiply’
  
  as the great David Frost used to say.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:15am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Warren. The PM’s congratulation would have been much more genuine had it happened on the night rather than waiting for the next day. Did someone pressure her into it?
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Had to wait for the script writers.
    Jaspinda is not capable of congratulating anyone when she, Labour, and Dansey lost.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:44am
    - Don Beckett
      
      At least Dansey had the good grace to go & congratulate Tama personally.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:36am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Dansey?
        
        You reference ‘Tama’ but not ‘Georgie’! A bit graceless of you, Don.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:45am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Fairly simple – couldn’t think of her first name.
        Fortunately we can rely on Steve ‘the Pedant” as opposed to moderators to put us right.
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:24pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Don Beckett @ 1:24PM
        
        A poor response, Don. There was no pedantry about it.
        
        Why couldn’t you have just admitted that you could have done better? All it would have taken was a five-second Google search.
        
        Or, you could have simply admitted that you were more kindly disposed to ‘Tama’ than you were to ‘Dansey’. But you couldn’t admit that, could you? You preferred to dig yourself further into a hole – to, in my opinion, lie – didn’t you?
        
        Check out krazykiwi’s comment, here, Don: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/12/ombudsman_says_miq_was_a_lottery.html#comment-3288133.
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:20pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Georgie said that she is happy to be represented by a tangata whenua.
        
        Well, that’s ok then //
        
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        December 12, 2022 7:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She wasn’t even in Hamilton for her failing candidate on Saturday
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      She was in Hamilton campaigning on friday
      
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      December 12, 2022 4:10pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The PM has been deliberately shielded from the by election so that her image is not tainted by failure.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:01am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Well, she did do the last minute Friday arvo appearance ala ‘feso, etc – wondering if Dansey might have preferred she remained shielded!
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:18am
    - pdm
      
      70etc – now known as the Ardern candidate `kiss of death’.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:49am
  - kowtow
    
    Like her successes with child poverdee and climate catashtrophe .
    
    Thus the bait and switch to trade ambassador extraordinaire .
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:22pm
- Ghost
  
  Ardern made a comment blaming the timing and so close to Xmas plus the weather. Thought it was ironic as she chose the date.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Can see it now. Labour plucks bi-election from obscurity, or from a no win situation
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:53am
- Thought Criminal
  
  New Zealand’s army of taxpayer funded reporters are earning their ill-gotten gains with their silence.
  
  Many will be unemployed soon. When taxpayer funding of the media dries up then they’ll have to get real jobs.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:23am
- MCōs
  
  “Even our Prime Minister has not been interviewed on Nationals win”
  She was interviewed on just that on Morning Report
  
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  December 12, 2022 3:05pm
artemisia

About elite athletes taking a case to be employees of High Performance Sport NZ rather than self employed contractors. A review panel noted that the employee model may be more expensive. No shit.

If the employment law case is won, will the athletes become public servants? If not, why not? Or do they want to be able to pick and choose employment conditions?

Last week Susan Hornsby-Geluk ran through some of the implications of being an employee.

“While the athletes may achieve better pay and conditions as a result of being deemed to be employees, they may need to be prepared to give up some independence and freedoms.”

Some – actually potentially a lot according to her opinion piece.

And while employees have protection relating to termination of employment, employers can choose who they take on, within the law. So if the funding is not increased as then required, guess what happens next.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300758078/when-is-an-employee-an-employee
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December 12, 2022 8:09am
- cmm
  
  Sport is essentially about people pursuing their version of fun.
  Why the hell should anyone be paid for that?
  
  Now I am not saying that people should not enjoy their work. People should be rewarded for the value they create.
  
  Where’s the value created by a high speed cyclist or a swimmer?
  
  Should I demand the minimum wage next time I go trout fishing?
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:19am
  - herb1
    
    I imagine people like you are yelling and screaming at the tv during the olympics when our guys and gals are competing. I’m sure your all over it down at the pub
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    Yet you have the gall to talk about things you don’t know and begrudging our Olympic athletes , who in the case of my son and cousin get up at 5.30 . Train for 2 hours at 7 come home and eat and sleep , back to the gym at 12 for 2 hours and then another 2-3 hours of training after that.
    I can guarantee you that you wouldn’t be able to cope with more than 5-10 minutes of any of this and you’d be whinging for days of the aches and pains.
    Do you think the All Blacks should play for free do you?
    Well they get $200k plus . Our Olympic athletes start with no pay and aside from the top ones might get $30-50 k after winning medals.
    Perhaps you’ve just got a thing against achievers. Sad really
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:59am
    - cmm
      
      You are wrong. I don’t watch people doing these things.
      
      Why should they be paid for this? What value do they add to society other than providing a bit of entertainment?
      
      If people want to chip in and sponsor them, fine, but the taxpayer should not have to do so.
      
      “Perhaps you’ve just got a thing against achievers. ”
      No, not at all. I am an extremely high achiever in my fields of expertise. I have over 10 patents. I earn a reasonable amount. Billions of people use the software I have written. I’ve given away software that is used by over a billion people every day.
      
      The difference: I don’t demand that the taxpayer fund my contribution to society. Not even at minimum wage.
      
      I am not at all opposed to high achievement – including high achievement in all fields: science, sport, art, advertising etc.
      
      But there is no need for high achievers to such off the taxpayer.
      
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      December 12, 2022 1:16pm
      - herb1
        
        I bet the taxpayer funds you in some ways but your happy for that are you?
        Hypocracy isn’t just a thing on the left
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:23pm
      - Ghost
        
        So if the money to pay for these sportspeople is to come from government, where do you want the money taken out of?
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:28pm
      - cmm
        
        herb1: I know it might shock you, but the taxpayer is not the only source of revenue. It is possible to create a viable business that does not depend on the taxpayer being extorted at gunpoint.
        
        If the taxpayer does fund me, it is extremely indirectly, and it is pretty much never the NZ taxpayer.
        
        I mostly consult for a few companies (almost all of them overseas). Some of them sell products/services to companies who then sell their products to governments. For example I sell services to a company that sells services to companies building planes, missiles and satellites which are sold to various governments.
        
        But I do pay a hell of a lot of tax.
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:50pm
- RoboRob
  
  The Athletes have lost their minds. If they want more money move to professional sports. Go to the US and compete there. Enjoy being treated like meat as you are traded at will between teams (watched Moneyball in the weekend).
  
  Sports NZ was designed to provide assistance to atheletes not as an employer. If you dont like it you cn go back to the old days, find your own coach and hunt for sponsors.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:59am
- General
  
  How bout we all do a sausage sizzle fundraiser for them during the one week every couple of years anyone actually cares?
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:14am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  “However, in seeking to become employees, the athletes may find that their freedom to pursue these outside work opportunities is more restricted, or at least that their employer will have a greater say over what they can do, and who they can do it with.”
  
  Wonder if they’ve really thought through who will get the greater benefit. Not quiet the same but can think of a number of instances where some “employee” has got $1 as their reward for a patent from which the employer made $$$$$$$$$.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:27am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  How would they fire an employee that got old, fat and slow?
  
  Couldn’t do that in my workpkace.
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:29pm
mikenmildagain

Kenya celebrates 59 years of independence today. There was a very good documentary about Kenya on Al Jazeera last night. Repeated at 9 am tomorrow.
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December 12, 2022 8:14am
- cmm
  
  What, in your opinion, makes it a very good documentary?
  
  Kenya is a disaster propped up by White Guilt.
  
  https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.ODA.ALLD.CD?locations=KE
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:41am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    View for yourself and comment:
    9.00 am Tuesday
    A Very British Way of Torture
    The shocking story of how Britain secretly used torture in its war against the Kenyan anti-colonialist Mau Mau movement in the 1950s.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:09am
    - cmm
      
      Ah, I see: a dose of White Guilt. Let’s give them more hand outs, and more, and more, and more…. because this guilt will never go away.
      
      Every problem in modern Kenya is down to the period of British rule from 1888 to 1963.
      
      Did you see the docco about the tens of thousands of British sailors and soldiers who gave their lives and health (many ended up with lifelong malaria) routing out slavery etc in East Africa (inc. Kenya)?
      
      Nope, there probably isn’t a docco like that because it doesn’t fit with the White Guilt narrative!
      
      To call Mau Mau “anti-colonialist” is like calling the ANC in South Africa “anti racist”. That’s a stretch. The Mau Mau killed anyone that stood in the way of their quest for power including civilians of all hues.
      
      Of course now they have whitewashed history and the Mau Mau (like the ANC) are liberation heroes.
      
      I will grant them something though: the Mau Mau were not as bad as the ANC and actually fought against the people they were claiming to fight against.
      
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      December 12, 2022 9:35am
      - Phronesis
        
        Whenever I come across someone championing diversity I always agree with them and say that yes, what Africa needs is more white people.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:10am
      - mikenmildagain
        
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        So, you won’t watch a real documentary but think I should watch an imaginary documentary?
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:10am
- bjools
  
  Soon you won’t have to watch a documentary about a 3rd world country….
  You’ll be able to look out your living room window.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:43am
  - kowtow
    
    Soon ?
    
    here now .
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:47am
- Random T Person
  
  Kenya is absolutely typical of almost every post-colonial African country, all of which are depressingly consistent in their outcomes.
  That’s just a nice way of saying it is a smouldering ruin.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:45am
  - cmm
    
    We could be saying that about that Aotearoa place in the South Pacific in 20 years.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:57am
    - Bob
      
      could say that now cmm..
      I can sense smouldering of activist fire now, will be much worse in 20 years; when the activists see that they have destroyed the potential NZ paradise that I and many of my age group- late retirees-were born into.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:09am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      You should think of moving, as your lack of confidence is a drag on Kiwis with a more positive outlook.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        Oh, I’m thinking….
        I’m a bit over the hill for moving. If I was 10 years younger I’d be out of here.
        
        In two months’ time I will have spent more than half my life in NZ. Can I call myself a Kiwi yet? Or am I still a foreigner in your eyes?
        
        I think it a bit funny (in the non-ha-ha sort of way) that a large part of why I chose to move to NZ over 30 years ago was because I thought it had sorted its race problems out many years ago. After all, NZ gave Maori the vote before it gave whites the vote!
        
        I was a bit shocked to discover that there were racist organisations like Maori Wardens when I arrived, but thought that was just a tiny artefact that would go with time.
        
        How wrong I was. NZ of today appears to be heading down the same road. It is way more racist and divisive than the NZ I moved to 30 years ago.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:42am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I suspect the loony Left pretending to be a Government doesn’t have such a positive outlook after Hamilton West. Most of them will be figuring out who to throw overboard or when to jump themselves.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:54am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think you are a re Kiwi. I merely referred to ‘Kiwis with a more positive outlook’.
        May I ask which country you wish you had chosen? One which ‘had sorted its race problems out many years ago’, perhaps?
        
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        December 12, 2022 11:13am
      - cmm
        
        “positive attitude”? Do you mean denying reality?
        
        If you want positive attitudes, then where’s your positive attitude about all the positive things colonialism has done for the world (including in Africa, NZ, Australia etc).
        
        Of course there have been some low quality colonialists: Arabs, Belgians and Germans in particular.
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:20pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Funnily enough, there are few peoples around the world expressing their gratitude to the English, Dutch, French, Americans, or the ‘Belgians and Germans’ for coming to dispossess them of their homes and way of life. But you mentioned the Arabs, too. Perhaps their colonial expansion was long enough ago to be put in the “what did the Romans ever do for us” category, along with the Greeks and Mongols, etc.
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:38pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Milky, no.
        
        YOU should think of moving, as your poor grasp of reality is a danger to Kiwis wanting a more sensible and prosperous future.
        
        I hear San Francisco has a wonderful climate.
        
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        December 12, 2022 3:59pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I’m not going anywhere and also not moaning that the greatest place is the world is somewhere people should flee from.
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:34pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re Milky at 4.34: …not moaning that the greatest place is the world is somewhere people should flee from …
        
        Lot of New Zealanders have moved to Australia, or are moving there. This includes Maori – Maussies.
        
        Does that mean we’re second greatest place in World?
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:04pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Not at all, Jack5. People move countries for many reasons and I’m sure you could appreciate that. New Zealand ranks very high on most people’s idea of a great place to live, but it has a relatively small population spread over a large area and is quite remote from other parts of the world. For those wishing to move to Australia, I say “go for it”. We could do with a lot less people here, especially the ones who don’t appreciate how lucky we are.
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:26pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Out of interest did it include the Mau Mau uprising?
  Uhuru.!
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:49am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:39pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Im with you on this, AJ have great documentaries and balanced interviews.
      
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      December 12, 2022 2:19pm
- Grizz
  
  Have you seen the documentary “Africa Adieu”? Made in the 60s but strangely remains relevant today.
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:01pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    No. Is this the one:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Addio
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:41pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    The best one is ” The gods must be crazy”.
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:21pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That brought a smile from me. Saw it at the cinema.
      
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      December 12, 2022 4:34pm
Benedict Yu

Went to a movie yesterday. When we were walking back to the car, I noticed colourful posters promoting a community meeting.

“The Climate Crisis. Nobody is Coming to Save Us”

“Do you worry what will happen to your loved ones during the Climate Crisis?”

This is why a bunch of kids are terrified. They listen to their woke teachers and watch Greta melting down and they think they are going to be dead by 2035.
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December 12, 2022 8:14am
- yossarian
  
  Aided and abetted by adults who have lived through the Cold War crisis, the Aids crisis, the future ice age crisis, the nuclear holocaust crisis…
  
  You have to admit the Marxist have got onto a winner indoctrinating these impressionable kids.
  
  “See the weather is different from yesterday? That children is climate change, and you know the only thing that can prevent climate change? Socialism!”
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:21am
  - MCōs
    
    Up until 20-Feb 2011 anyone who would have insisted Christchurch Cathedral, Jade Stadium, the CTV building be vacated because they weren’t up to scratch would have been ignored.
    Unbelievably the CTV Bldg was reoccupied after the first earthquake and came down in the second . . . .
    BTW
    We know now we came within a whisker, maybe a mickey whisker of a cataclysmic nuclear war during the Cold War.
    But we didn’t and here we are.
    
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    December 12, 2022 3:30pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  How dare you!
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  BY, now that covid is parked up for the interim the climate scam resurfaces. What these idiots face of course is that the NZ population is ‘message weary’ after the vaccine onslaught. Perhaps a comic could grab one of these posters and reword ‘ Do you worry what will happen to your loved ones during the Crime Crisis?’
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:28am
- kowtow
  
  And some idiots think giving them the vote is a good idea.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:29am
- rouppe
  
  Modern Chicken Littles.
  
  Did you go see how many turned up to the community meeting?
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:30am
- Nickc2
  
  Who introduced teaching the imagined perils of Man Made climate change into our School Curricula and why?
  You could also apply the same questions to the reimagined ToW eh?
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:33am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In typical fashion, the UN had 169 sustainable development targets. About 6,000 actions. Total nightmare.
    
    So a bunch of scientists and economists got together and identified 19 actions that could make the world richer, farer, and more sustainable. These were top notch guys, including three nobel prize winners. They identified 19 prioritised actions based on cost benefit analysis – addressing climate change did not even make the top 19.
    
    https://tinyurl.com/5bwc8x6s
    
    These are the Top 19.
    
    https://bit.ly/2zP52bs
    
    It is not even close.
    
    Some of the top ones:
    
    – tackle Malaria
    – tackle poor drinking water quality
    – child malnutrition
    – stop subsidising low quality petroleum – how many kids die from lung disease because of diesel buses in New Delhi?
    – Make sure kids in poor countries get their vaccinations (no not COVID – the ones that save lives)
    
    … anyway it goes on like this.
    
    No mention of “climate reparations” or subsidising rich folk in Wellington to buy EVs.
    
    It is this type of analysis that should be taught in our schools. We can’t do everything. The more that we do that is STUPID, BROKEN, and EXPENSIVE, the less we can do to make us richer, and society more fair. New Zealand is now the poster child for this approach to public policy. It is a tragedy.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve still got my thermals, norsewear sox, and Swandri on hand… just in case a Nuclear Winter arrives.
  
  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-carl-sagan-warned-world-about-nuclear-winter-180967198/
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:34am
- 103PapPap
  
  At least they will be skilled in Maori science and will be able to create tomorrow’s world!
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:37am
- Cassandra
  
  New Zealanders should be worried about tribal rule and violent crime, not about something about which we know little and can do nothing about. Oh, and paying off Labour’s debts.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:40am
- Bruce C
  
  A couple of years ago I casually asked an employee how his day was. He’d spent the day at law school. I was shocked to learn that he had been at an “international law and climate change” class. When I asked what the point o th
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:42am
- Random T Person
  
  LOL my 9yo can see the climate hypocrisy for what it is. He laughs and says ‘we burn fossil fuel for fun, Dad’. (We ride dirt bikes and tow the trailer with a diesel). He also understands very well that humans are hyper adaptable and therefore have nothing to fear.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  I went to a local community Christmas party during the weekend.
  The adults (old and not so old) talked a bit about “this dreadful government we have” and the kids just played – same as they did 30-40 years ago.
  It was a sunny day – same as it was 30-40 years ago.
  Santa came – same.
  Lolly scramble – same.
  BBQ – same.
  Perhaps we are just all ignorant environmental fools though – being from the rural sector and all.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:45am
  - pdm
    
    Gravel – I thought worksafe and other doooogooders had banned lolly scrambles because the biggest, fastest kids got more lollies than other kids.
    
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    December 12, 2022 8:55am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Ok, before there is any regulatory push-back from “authorities” , perhaps I should amend my comment to:
      Wrapped lollies were distributed “hand to hand” to children at the party. There was no unsafe or unseemly fighting over, or grovelling on the ground for lollies, by any adult or child.
      
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      December 12, 2022 9:16am
  - David Garrett
    
    Gravel: Re lolly scrambles…they used to be a feature of Christmas parades – until some wankers decided that children may be injured by floats and fire engines traveling at 3kmh. Now the lollies are just handed out at the side of the road, taking half the fun out of it.
    
    Does anyone know is there was ever a kid killed or injured taking part in a lolly scramble during the Christmas parade?
    
    I suspect the change to handing them out was all down to the new religion called “elf and safety”.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:02am
    - Ghost
      
      Lolly scramble in Taumarunui in the weekend, 80kg of lollies thrown
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/130730359/crowds-scramble-for-best-seat-in-the-house-as-christmas-on-the-bay-celebrated
      
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      December 12, 2022 9:17am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I think you mean Timaru – but Taumarunui isn’t that far away. //
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:46am
      - Ghost
        
        Bloody he’ll, I didn’t even notice the autocorrect change that. Yeah, Timaru
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:49am
    - Colville
      
      DG..Lolly scrambles were blood sport when I was a kid. My elder Bro is a mean (insert banned word here) and will do anything for a Macintosh toffee!
      
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      December 12, 2022 9:31am
    - cmm
      
      Lolly scrambles are not equitable. The fat kids aren’t fast enough.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:00am
      - Colville
        
        If that were true they wouldnt need rules in rugby to stop the props tearing limbs off other players to get the ball.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:24am
    - Sacha
      
      I remember taking my kids to a community party where a helicopter came and hovered over the gathering. Helicopters were not often seen close-up back then. Kids covered their ears but soon recovered when they were showered with lollies. They had a great time for few minutes and then the helicopter left with a suitable amount of noise and wind rush.
      Probably wouldn’t be allowed now, though.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:07am
      - Colville
        
        I competed in various Black Powder shooting events as a kid (my Father was an avid shooter)
        The thing at the Xmas shoot was usually a trench mortar type thing, a huge boom and lots of singed lollies raining from the sky….great fun.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:33am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Yep Colville, seen that at a rural school up north, where a reproduction Coehorn mortar blasted out candy.
        No kids direct in front until let loose of course!
        
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        December 12, 2022 11:52am
    - Grizz
      
      The best lolly scramble I once partook in the lollies were dropped out of a crop duster as it dived, weaved and flew over the paddock.
      
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      December 12, 2022 1:05pm
    - MCōs
      
      I never gave much thought to lolly scrambles until I was watching one with my father once when he would have been about seventy.
      He told me he hated them, which was strong language for Dad.
      Dad was a POW during the war.
      He said he’d seen Kiwi soldiers so hungry they’d fight over scrapes of food. His mates reduced to the level of animals.
      That’s what lolly scrambles reminded him of.
      
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      December 12, 2022 4:46pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        That’s sad for him
        
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        December 12, 2022 7:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We always had lolly scrambles at the POW-reunion picnics held in the New Year at Cameron’s Farm, Turakina Valley.
        
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        December 12, 2022 9:06pm
      - MCōs
        
        Well, there you go.
        Maybe things were different for them.
        Maybe nobody spoke out.
        Dad never said anything except to me.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:12pm
  - Bob
    
    being from the rural sector and all….
    I remember the fun lifestyle of Rural living – farming- also the comradeship and community spirit of the era.
    The rural folk that I remember were anything but ignorant; much more worldly wise than the urban youth that I went through high school with.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:14am
- Bruce C
  
  A couple of years ago I casually asked an employee how his day was. He’d spent the day at law school. I was shocked to learn that he had been at an “international law and climate change” class. When I asked what the point of that was he became very indignant and said he wanted to make sure there was a world left for his kids to grow up in. Young people are pumped with fear and are buying it. No room left for critical thought. It’s sad.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:47am
  - alloytoo
    
    I thought none of them were planning on having children…..I mean the Carbon cost of a child….
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:40am
  - RoboRob
    
    Im sure the conference in its air conditioned room with tea and coffee did a lot to save the planet. Ask your collegue how he got to work, how he powers his home, when his last overseas trip was, how many people travel in his car at a time, what the car to people ration in his house is etc
    
    I gaurantee the hypocaracy will be strong.
    
    I say this as often people lecture me about the environment and I sit and laugh internally. I bike to work every day, we have solar, one 1.2l car between a family of 4. I gaurantee I produce less emisions then 95% of the do gooders. FYI I have all this because it makes sense financially and I am a tight arse 🙂
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:08am
- David Garrett
  
  Bene: Quite so. My highly intelligent 21 year old daughter is seriously considering whether she should ever have children because of the predicted effects of “climate change.” I have sent her links to lots of articles in an attempt to reassure her, but so far without result. She was thoroughly brainwashed up to Year 13 at school, and that brainwashing is very difficult to reverse.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:51am
  - RoboRob
    
    Don’t worry too much. My experience is that the young ones are all talk.
    
    Wrapping lunch in bees wax paper to save the environment, then goes out and buys a 2.6 SUV for a family of two. In addition to their other car.
    
    The teen on the radio a few weeks ago talking about needing a govt agency to determine if a flight is ‘necessary’. Asked if a holiday in Fiji would count, she said absolutely not. Then asked when she last flew and it turns out about a mth ago…. to Fiji for a holiday.
    
    I am sure that when your daughter meets the right guy she will have children.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:03am
    - rouppe
      
      Yes, I read that one too. She was “forced” to go to Fiji by her parents because as a 16 year old she wasn’t allowed to stay home alone.
      
      More like the parents knew what she was like, and actually wanted a house to come back to
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        as a 16 year old she wasn’t allowed to stay home alone.
        
        Which is nonsense.
        
        Children are legally allowed to leave home at 16 without Parents’ consent.
        
        Children can be left alone from age 14.
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:16pm
      - RoboRob
        
        I suspect it was more that she wanted to go, and who wouldn’t, but got caught out. The interview with HDPA was hilarious, HDPA couldn’t stop laughing. HDPA didn’t know this girl had been on an trip to Fiji, she just used it as an example. Then she asked her when she last flew. The girl ‘couldn’t exactly remember’ then after some prodding it turned out it was recent and to said Fiji.
        
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        December 12, 2022 2:24pm
  - Random T Person
    
    Good, nobody should be considering having children at 21. By the time she is 30-35, she will be intelligent + have life experience showing that the world didn’t explode from the weather.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:29am
    - Sacha
      
      It always used to be that young women should have their children while young – not long after the onset of menstrual cycling and able to identify with their growing children. Being a mother meant being a ‘housewife’ as well.
      Their job was to raise the next generation, set them safely along life’s pathway, and when that was done, they could pick their activities.
      Same for Fathers -provide the wherewithal for the family to raise its kids and take pride in their achievements.
      The role of some women has changed. They are well-educated, know their value in the workplace, and put their careers before motherhood. By the time they are 35 and approaching middle age they panic at the thought of missing out. Poor things.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:36am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Dead right – two of the females at some time invoved with my sons had the same problem – career until 35, then busting to have a baby, but – alas – the body clock had passed it’s child-rearing capabilities.
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:51am
      - NothingLeft
        
        more’s the pity that incentives are set up now so that evolution is working against intelligent motivated intellectual women who build strong careers and delay having kids and for impulsive self-centred half-witted losers who farm babies from their mid teens till their 30’s to equally useless sperm donors.
        
        Greatest medical improvement for humanity would be extending reliable fertility of women through to (say) 50yrs old.
        
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        December 12, 2022 12:24pm
    - pdm
      
      mrspdm had our second child almost exactly a month before her 21st birthday.
      
      Seemed to work out okay as she had two more before she reached 30.
      
      Would waiting until she was in her thirties stopped three of the four from being Labour.Green supporters? If so we both wish we had known that.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:01am
  - cmm
    
    Most likely she’ll hit 30 and her egg timer will go off.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:01am
  - General
    
    Highly Intelligent people don’t get brainwashed. Highly educated sure. You should have also curtailed some of that, you are partly responsible.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:29am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Different times but I’m pretty sure my kids and their kids got more values and perceptiveness from their parents than from anyone else. But you have to spend the time with them.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:02am
    - Random T Person
      
      Jesus that is harsh.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:28am
      - General
        
        My reply? Agreed but it is true and she’s 21. I’m sure she will be highly intelligent as he clearly is. Just needs a reality check before being deserving of that classification. David lashed out at me unwarranted months ago or I would have been kinder. Petty yes, that’s how I operate unfortunately. Not denying it’s a harsh thing to say but my parents put truth before feelings and I’m grateful for that. (Well before year 13, before age 13)
        
        I suggest showing her this although he probably has no interest in my opinion due to my antagonistic comment. He dishes out plenty and I’m not a hypocrite. My older sibling has held senior roles in large NZ companies and at TVNZ so pretty clever but she was indoctrinated into many falsehoods which I challenged without causing too much animosity . I’ve been making the points Mr Oliver does in the video linked below for nearly a decade because I spend much more time looking into each side of media narratives and have a much more refined intuition for spotting BS and far less idealistic world view. She’s better at many things but not at understanding propaganda and it’s devastating effects. Look at our country. It’s time to be harsh vs kind when it brings us where we are. Enough is enough. Typed this using a mouse so apologies if it reads poorly, my hand is killing me so leaving as is.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZYbykNkcPI
        
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        December 12, 2022 12:44pm
- tedbear
  
  I was watching/listening to a Green nutter on ABC yesterday who was going on and on about Australians who will have to stop using dirty gas for cooking and start using renewables. He must have used the term ‘dirty gas’ a dozen times in a short space of time.
  I thought to myself what appliances does he have in his kitchen that run on wind and solar that give instant hot water and heat for cooking?
  I’d love to ask that nutter when is he going to insist Australians stop using dirty oil for manufacturing wind turbines, solar panels, EVs and clothing, and when is he going to insist all the dirty Australian coalmines immediately cease operations.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:51am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Ask him “How is steel made for the wind turbines?” Watch his mouth open and shut with no sound.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:36am
    - Master Mariner
      
      At the end of the day, Renewables are just a tranfer of emmissions.
      Ie. Digging shit out of the ground in one country (mostly third world) to “hey presto” a brand new shiny thing that has zero emmissions.
      Nothing more, nothing less.
      Creative accounting at its finest.
      Mining bad and ev’s, windmills good.
      What a shit show.
      As you know , anything to do with renewables is highly energy intensive.
      Carbon fibre, batterys, solar panels.
      Hence the huge subsidies.
      
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      December 12, 2022 12:48pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Correct MM. If it weren’t for subsidies, Wind and Solar power generation mechanisms wouldn’t exist.
        Aust citizens are now finding that out as Chris Bowen their lunatic Minister for Climate Change and Energy in the Albanese government promises all things wonderful but can’t find anyone who wants to pay more for their Power having promised to reduce everyone’s Power Invoices by AUD 275.00 PA during their Election Campaign.
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Bottom line is everything will become more expensive.
        
        This will hurt the “vulnerable” the most.
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:14pm
- Rusty
  
  @Benedict
  
  Talking about movies, last night on sky the Brit movie”See how they run” confused me.
  
  It had a black man playing Agatha Christie’s husband. She never married a black dude!
  
  All for inclusiveness but woke culture changing historical facts in the movies is not on.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:57am
  - Random T Person
    
    Just think of the blackfella as a ‘man’ and you’ll be OK. That’s what I do.
    (but to your point, if we had a white dude portray say, Nelson Mandela, imagine the hue [ha] and cry).
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:42am
    - NothingLeft
      
      In a couple of years widely available AI tools will be able to face and voice swap anyone into a movie and we will be able to fix the egregious wokery in post-post production.
      
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      December 12, 2022 12:26pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Yes, I find it off putting when they shoe-horn in an African lady in waiting into the court of Queen Elizabeth and there are plenty of examples like this in recent years. When it is a historical piece I tend to switch off at this, when the story has to manipulative in some progressive message.
    Funny how it only works one way though – I can’t see race swapping being welcomed as ‘representation’ when it comes to the story of Shaka Zulu or Hone Heke. That would not just be inauthentic, it would be seen as offensive.
    It is sad that identity politics means people can only enjoy a movie is they see ‘themselves’ in it.
    It has never occurred to me when enjoying watching Denzel Washington, Eddie Murphy or Idris Elba etc. or even a Chinese-language film, that I should not enjoy or relate to the story because my own race is not represented or forefront.
    Let’s face it. ‘Diversity’ and ‘representation’ just means replacing of white males. Nothing else.
    Case in point, a post above (tongue in cheek) saying ‘Africa needs more white people’.
    LOL – a social justice warrior would not like that, because the lens is extremely selective in focus. It is only Western and ‘European’ culture that is expected to obligingly make space in all things, be that a movie – or society itself.
    
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    December 12, 2022 12:08pm
- cmm
  
  According to the BBC, they ran a study of 2000 kids aged 8 to 16:
  
  * 80% said it was important, 35% said very important.
  * 20% of kids have had a bad dream about climate change.
  * 40% don’t trust adults (ie. their parents) to solve the issues.
  * 66% say the government is not listening to their views.
  
  So it looks like things are working the way they want.
  
  No wonder Cindy wants them voting before they understand issues like taxes and pay cheques.
  
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/51451737
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:59am
  - JJ56
    
    I just console myself that in 10 years’ time when they grow up a bit they’ll look around and find it hasn’t happened.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:57am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Just like a cult leader, when the world doesn’t end…just move the goal post.
      
      Al Gore in 2009 said, ““Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75% chance that the entire north polar ice cap during some of the summer months could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years.”
      Didn’t happen.
      And in the Leonardo DiCaprio documentary ‘Before the Flood’ the statement was made {if melt keeps occurring at the suggested rate}, “Greenland is going away”.
      
      David Attenborough also did his best to scare the kids in ‘Life on Earth’ with these amazing projections:
      “2030s – If deforestation in the Amazon rainforest continues, it will degrade to a point where it can no longer produce enough moisture, transforming into a dry savanna. Not only will this decimate the biodiversity in the rainforest, but it will also alter the global water cycle.
      Additionally, the Arctic will start experiencing ice-free summers. Without the white ice caps, less of the sun’s energy will be reflected back into space, which will accelerate global warming.
      
      2050s- As oceans continue to heat and become more acidic, coral reefs around the world will bleach and die. This will cause fish populations to crash, which will affect millions of people who rely on the ocean for their livelihoods.
      
      2080s- Global food production will enter into a crisis as soils become exhausted by overuse. Pollinating insects will disappear and the weather will become more unpredictable.
      
      2100s- The planet will be four degrees Celsius warmer, rendering large parts of the Earth uninhabitable and leaving millions of people homeless. Scientists predict that the sixth mass extinction will be well underway at this point, causing irreversible damage to the planet.”
      https://earth.org/david-attenborough-new-film-a-life-on-our-planet/
      
      Uhuh. And yet scientists can’t tell me the weather accurately 48 hours out from the day.
      
      I don’t agree that the projected sea level rise, or a few degrees global temperature rise alone is catastrophic in any case. Some will suffer and others will benefit. Look over the life of the planet and the sea has been massively higher and lower than any of the current worst-case scenarios.
      We are in an interglacial period now, and who is to say what the Earth is meant to be around shorelines or temperature?
      We will survive for sure.
      
      And in any case, I surely don’t see the answer to any of this as increasing of taxes and socialism.
      It is something of a modern millennial religious movement being hijacked by Marxist and elites.
      
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      December 12, 2022 12:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The biggest danger to western civilisation is the climate alarm gravy train.
        
        The developing world is still screwed (@ 2 billion people without clean drinking water) and the western climate alarm gravy train will ensure it stays that way.
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:17pm
  - Random T Person
    
    Remember how, even in South Africa far from the real geopolitical action, we were shit scared of nuclear apocalypse back in the 1980s?
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:21am
    - Inandout
      
      RT, in the 1950s people used to install nuclear shelters in their back yards because of the bomb scare. Times haven’t really changed.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:39am
  - Colville
    
    I think it was Jordan Petersen that laid out the argument (and I buy into it) that the best thing we can do for Climate Change is feed and educate children in the third world.
    We give 1o million kids/yr the opportunity to be scientists or engineers and one of them if going to crack the solution for some of the worlds problems.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:42am
    - virtualmark
      
      The best thing we could do for climate change is provide free contraception to all women in China, India, Pakistan, Nigeria etc.
      
      The world is over-populated. And it’s not the Western world that’s the problem, it’s the poorer countries who can least afford it.
      
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      December 12, 2022 1:03pm
      - Nickc2
        
        We do our bit in NZ, but few of our offspring want to work and we can’t afford what we are paying them not to work eh?
        That’s why we set about encouraging immigrants from deprived countries but that isn’t working now because other countries are out-bidding us in their search for immigrants.
        What do we do now?
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:20pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        That’s a truly 1970’s solution. The birth rates in those places are already falling rapidly as they develop their economies, just as happened in parts of Asia two generations ago. Free contraception wouldn’t make as big an impact now as the simple reduction of needing kids to work and support aging parents, as well as not needing to breed as much because the kids are not dying as fast. History repeating itself as Adrian Berry pointed out back in 1975 with his little book The Next Ten Thousand Years, where he took direct – and as it turned out – accurate shots at the population doomsters of the day like Erlich and the Paddock Brothers.
        
        We’ve known for twenty years now that the global population would top out at about 9 billion by 2050 and the closer we get to that year the more accurate that prediction appears. Hell, the Chinese alone are looking at a population drop of a few hundred million by then. Africa will hit that situation around 2070 because they’re lagging – which is why they’re still growing.
        
        As far as they’re concerned their still-growing population will need feeding, so economic development is their best chance and looking at GDP and nutritional growth they’re probably going to be okay (assuming Western dickheads don’t try to screw their energy and farming industries).
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:04pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Agree on getting contraception into the hands of the world’s poorest women.
        
        Bjorn Lomborg notes that would provide biggest bang for aid buck in terms of alleviating suffering in the world.
        
        Counter-intuitively helping those countries install coal power plants (with decent scrubbers) and a grid to provide heating, cooling and indoor-pollution free cooking would lift life spans, lower populations (as wealthier countries have less children). If you really really can’t lose the climate alarm brainwashing, you could give them gas fired power plants (a bit more expensive).
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:24pm
      - David Lenny
        
        China’s total fertility rate is well below NZ’s, which is itself below the replacement rate. China’s population will peak this decade (some demographers, distrusting official statistics, think it has already peaked) and then collapse quite quickly.
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:41pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Courtesy of the ChicagoBoyz, a sad/hopeful anecdote from a Twitter poster, responding to a CDC survey showing that 45% of high school students were so persistently sad or hopeless that they were unable to engage in regular activities and that almost 1 in 5 had seriously considered suicide:
  
  One of my kids’ best friends went to a remote, outward bound style summer camp deep last summer. She came back giddy, and told her mom how amazing it was that the entire time she was there no one talked about climate change or politics or activism or genders. For 2 weeks, they were all allowed to just be kids again.
  
  Parents – liberals in particular – think they’re churning out little warriors now, but they aren’t. They’re churning out depressed, confused, terrified, angry, despondent, lost, broken young adults.
  
  As someone who has spent a lifetime fighting depression, seeing what we’re doing to our kids fucking infuriates me, and the idea that it’s perceived by so many as virtuous sends me over the edge.
  
  Kids’ lives are so wrapped up in the twin harms of the shallowness of social media and the existential dread of things far out of their control that they’re breaking apart, and parents are facilitating it.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:03am
- Its only I
  
  1969: ‘Everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989
  1970: Ice age by 2000
  1970: ‘America subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980.
  1971: ‘New Ice Age Coming’
  1972: New ice age by 2070
  1974: ‘New Ice Age Coming Fast’
  1974: ‘Another Ice Age?
  1974: Ozone Depletion a ‘Great Peril to Life’
  1976: ‘The Cooling’
  1978: ‘No End in Sight’ to 30-Year Cooling Trend
  1979:But according to NASA satellite data there is a slight warming trend since 1979.
  1980: ‘Acid Rain Kills Life in Lakes
  1988: James Hansen forecasts increase regional drought in 1990s
  1988: Washington DC days over 90F to from 35 to 85
  1988: Maldives completely under water in 30 years
  1989: Rising seas to ‘obliterate’ nations by 2000
  1989: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019
  1995 to Present: Climate Model Failure
  2000: ‘Children won’t know what snow is.’
  2008: Arctic will be ice-free by 2018
  2008: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013
  2009: Prince Charles says only 8 years to save the planet
  2009: UK prime minister says 50 days to ‘save the planet from catastrophe’
  2013: Arctic ice-free by 2015
  2014: Only 500 days before ‘climate chaos’
  
  and on and on it went.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:12am
  - Matt Long
    
    But like socialism working this time, this time their predictions will be correct.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What like Manhattan bring under water by 2006.?
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:18am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Excellent! And that’s just a small sample of the bullshit spewed by those making a career out of eco-alarmism.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Fear” Exactly the same way the Govt controlled us with Covid.
  Fear to the point of staying inside, and not even talking to your neighbours.
  Yes she did say that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PtMgfESqp4
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:56am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Children need to be taught scepticism. Teachers of my generation had been through WW2 and felt first-hand the damage lying politicians in Germany, Italy, Russia and Japan had caused. Then my generation revolted against the Vietnam war and atmospheric nuclear bomb testing. But since then nothing has come close to home to allow reality to stir rebellion. Few people are involved in making things. Most just talk and sell each other things other people have made. So they think talking is reality and are suckers for anything talked about. Few study the STEM subjects that interact directly with reality. The big money is in managing and controlling other people. So climate change hysteria fits neatly into this environment. Used by some for profit and others for control while the mass just swallow it whole as they once did religion. Putin has forced a collision with reality in Europe. Ripples have reached our shores but it will take more to rescue this country from its collective delusions.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:00am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “Children need to be taught scepticism.”
    
    +10
    
    I’d add to that, curiosity. Every top employee I’ve hired exhibited this trait is some form.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:54am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Exactly. My whole life has been about discovering and learning new things. Same with my wife. Such a big world of knowledge and experiences out there to explore. I can’t imagine living any other way.
      
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      December 12, 2022 12:06pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      It sum it up as Critical Thinking.
      But hey, Now days thats classed as mis/ dis information.
      On a side note , if inclined to do so. I would reccommend reading “the captive mind”.
      
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      December 12, 2022 12:54pm
Yvette

Ardern on “3 Waters Entrenchment” – “another Party did it” – the Greens did it!

Winston Peters @winstonpeters
It turns out not only did Eugenie Sage directly negotiate the Three Waters entrenchment amendment with Mahuta, the details of the amendment were outlined beforehand in the report from the select committee. As Sage has said – it shouldn’t have come as a surprise.
https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1599872313528569857

Has Winston got at least some of this true …

Green Party’s Eugenie Sage told Tova O’Brien on Monday morning she didn’t “sneak” the entrenchment clause through at all, saying she had flagged support for entrenchment in a press release more than a year ago.
“They provide that you can entrench a provision provided it’s passed by the same majority of Parliament as in the entrenchment clause,” she said.
Sage added Minister Nanaia Mahuta knew about the entrenchment as well, saying the Greens have had negotiations with the Minister’s office in the past.
“It was in our select committee report when the bill was reported back from the Finance and Expenditure Select Committee, that we disagreed with the views of officials and supported our 60 percent entrenchment.
https://www.todayfm.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/two-sides-green-mp-defends-three-waters-entrenchment-chris-bishop-slams-as-outrageous.html
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December 12, 2022 8:20am
- Its only I
  
  It seems it would take very little pressure from a genuine investigative journalist to put the real timeline together. So many lies, just so many.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So Jaspinda is off the hook again.
  Someone else did it.
  She didn’t know my left tit.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:58am
  - Don Beckett
    
    You’ll have to introduce your left tit to her 😆
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not really a tit, I have ‘moobs’
      
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      December 12, 2022 1:30pm
kowtow

Claire Trevet in her wash up article on the Ham W bell wether byelection says onr good thing thing about Potaka’s win is it helps with nats “diversity problem”.

What fucking diversity problem .

That’s a media beat up “problem”.

Labour has a diversity problem . It puts “diversity” ahead of effectiveness and efficiency and that’s why we’re in such deep shit .( Other than they’re just so shit anyway)
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December 12, 2022 8:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Claire Trevet’s another leftie tool who won’t bite the hand that feeds her.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:26am
- Swifty
  
  Pre the 2020 election National’s caucus was more diverse than Labour’s.
  
  At the 2020 election National got smashed and their caucus shrank sharply – and they lost many of the ‘diverse’ MPs – coupled with some key resignations since.
  
  All totally out of National’s hands.
  
  What we’re/are National supposed to do about that?
  
  A total bloody media beat up – anything to bash National with, and divert attention from Labour’s miserable performance.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:44am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Trevet belongs to the media propaganda wing of the Labour party. Everything she writes is so directed.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:07am
  - Bob
    
    Trevet has a lot of past FORM in ‘beat-ups’ against common-sense.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:22am
- Bob
  
  The Ham W win by National candidate proves that there are very capable people of Maori ethnicity background, who are intelligent enough to recognise the way out of the Ardern Marxist mess.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He clearly is popular with his constituents, just maybe he was the correct candidate
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:37am
I remember when

Do not swim: Auckland beaches overwhelmed by faecal bacteria after heavy rain: Newshub.

I don’t know why Aucklanders allow dairy cows, cattle and sheep to swim at their beaches!
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December 12, 2022 8:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Always been the case after heavy rain. Always trotted out to promote some political cause. Up here in the BOI the water is always brown from runoff after heavy rain. Nobody with a brain would want to swim in it or does. Wait a day or two and it’s good again. Apply common sense? Nah, let’s panic instead and throw other people’s money at it.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:35am
  - JJ56
    
    And don’t forget 3/5 waters needs some help.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:59am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  They were claiming that as a reason for local government amalgamation back in 1987. Since then of course it has only got worse. They lie, lie and lie again.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Filthy humans, behahahaha
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:37am
Maggie Pie

And speaking of Te Reo….

Did you see all those poor cars covered in melting tar on SH1 at Dome Valley?

Is it just a coincidence that things have turned to shit with our roads ever since NZTA changed it’s name to ‘Waka-Kotahi’?

Can only imagine what it will be like when ‘3 WATERS’ becomes… ‘Toru-Wai-Wai-Wai’

Just saying.
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December 12, 2022 8:45am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Has anyone else noted that the more a government department embraces the principles of the Treaty, the worse they get?
  
  Education, roading, health, the Treasury, justice and corrections….
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:57am
  - cmm
    
    Refer to the Kenya thread above.
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:44am
- pdm
  
  Was it Winston Peters or one of his Maori predecessors in Parliament who said:
  
  `Never trust a Maori with a briefcase?’
  
  Now it is never trust a Government Department with a Maori name:
  
  Waka Kotahi
  Oranga Tamariki
  Kainga Ora
  
  and so it goes.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:59am
  - Nickc2
    
    …..and that’s just the beginning!
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:02am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Te Kawanatanga o Aotearoa!!
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:05am
    - pdm
      
      alky – never heard of that lot – probably a good thing if they stay in that mythical place Aotearoa and do not infiltrate New Zealand.
      
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      December 12, 2022 9:22am
  - RoboRob
    
    Well that would be all of them then 🙂
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:06am
  - Maggie's partner
    
    I think the best one is the new Firearms agency name Te Tari Pūreke – because let’s face it, guns are not a colonial thing at all
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:16am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Got subscription magazine in post today.
      On back is big message wishing a Meri Kirihimete from us all at the “Te Tauaarangi o Aotearoa”.
      Lolly scramble invite for first person to provide correct answer as to what this is.
      
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      December 12, 2022 9:38am
      - Murray
        
        The Royal New Zealand Air Force
        
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        December 12, 2022 11:01am
      - Ehlana
        
        I think it means Merry Christmas from Tauranga. They’re probably hoping you’ll visit and spend over the summer.
        
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        December 12, 2022 11:24am
      - Jack5
        
        Murray’s got it.
        
        If some dodgy country demands an RNZAF plane identify itself, and it answers “Te Tauaarangi o Aotearoa,” the plane’s a dead pigeon.
        
        The International Civil Aviation Organization now requires l airline pilots have at least a basic command of English. What use is Maori language to an air force?
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:21pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Did I see Tama Potakka walkinga around with a brief case ? – Wily Willie.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:55am
  - Drone
    
    What you dont realise is that the Mahuta Universe has more gods and superheroes than the Marvel Universe. You will come to know and love them all in the coming years.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:49am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Wasn’t it a good idea to close down NZ’s only refinery?
  
  So now we import jetfuel and bitumen.
  
  Fortunately our petrol and diesel is always up to specification!
  
  What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:55am
  - kevn
    
    @deity… But is our petrol and diesel really up to spec? I read recently that our 91 actually rates at 87. A late model Volvo owner lost a mechanical insurance claim on that basis. They tested her fuel.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:36am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes our petrol is up to spec.
      
      There are two octane ratings systems “MON” and “RON”
      
      87 MON – 91 RON
      
      Same petrol – just a different system.
      
      Read here if you want.
      
      https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-ron-and-mon/#:~:text=The%20term%20RON%20refers%20to%20the%20research%20octane%20number%20and,at%20high%20temperatures%20and%20speeds.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:40am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      She lost her insurance claim because the car manual said use 98 octane. She thought 91 would be fine. oops.
      
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      December 12, 2022 1:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All part of the plan to increase Taxes?
  ‘E toru nga wai’
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:09am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Not a hundy percent sure that was supposed to happen? Bad batch of bitumen? Like the bad batch of JetA1?
  
  If it’s too wet to drive on, why are cars being allowed on it?
  
  Will any of the new road surfaces hold up when the weather finally starts to warm up?
  
  Will diesel and petrol be next? Do we need a warning label at the pump – “this product probably meets specifications, and almost certainly will not damage your vehicle? But if it does, it’s on you sucker”
  
  It’s almost like contracting out all NZs supply of oil products wasn’t maybe all that smart?
  
  I personally have switched to 95. It looks from the recent spate of blown up engines, that 91 is really 87, and that most euro engines will be damaged if you use 91. [edit just seen Benedict’s explanation – still wouldnt trust petrol to be at spec]
  
  Europeans have expectations that their fuel is true to specification apparently, not whatever we could find on special at “fli-by-nite refining co”, maybe it’s a first world thing?
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:39pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m not so worried. I have a 20 year old Toyota. It has a high compression engine with a 7,800 RPM red line. It requires 98 octane fuel from BP or NPD. It has always come from Singapore – Marsden Point never made it.
    
    TBH if your car manual says you can use 91 you are just throwing away your money by using 95. The ONLY reason to use 95 or 98 octane fuel is to prevent premature detonation in high compression engines.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The fuel companies did that with petrol from Singapore. Older engines had to have an additive in the petrol to stoop all rubber type parts going soft. Happened to the Fergie 25 at work. What a shit of a job to fix that was.
    Fuel Companies would not come to the party with payment.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:35pm
Random T Person

Anyone see Vance’s excellent commentary on the parlous state of local democracy? Bet nobody’s crying about that one, either.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/130716112/how-a-councils-weird-tiktok-account-represents-everything-that-is-wrong-with-local-democracy
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December 12, 2022 8:48am
fernglas

When the Prime Minister says that the Government’s priority for next year is “making sure that the economy is our priority”, doesn’t that give away a lot? If she had said “making the economy our priority”, it suggests a united Government with a focus on the most important issue facing the country. But as she has phrased it, it sounds an awful lot more like they are having to focus on ensuring that everyone in Government agrees that the economy is in fact the priority. In other words, they are more focussed on agreeing amongst themselves than actually doing anything.
Sounds familiar. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/480550/pm-jacinda-ardern-on-plans-for-next-year-making-sure-the-economy-is-our-priority
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December 12, 2022 9:01am
- Paulus
  
  My Priority will be to spread the word that Ardern’s coterie must go for the sake of our chldren and grandchildren,
  So far the mess left is unbearable and will get worse before the election.
  Am very sad for what was a great Country.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:40am
- Prince
  
  They have three significant problems.
  A) Govt debt is nearing $150B – 3 times what they inherited.
  B) Govt debt is growing by $86M each day. They have created an spending engine that grows debt by $86M each day. And they have bugger all results to show for it.
  C) Somehow they need to rein in their spending, or increase taxes, or hope that Kiwis don’t learn about A) and B). All the while attacking National for planning fiscal restraint.
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:00pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Anyone know what the annual costs (like interest and charges) of that $150B debt are?
    
    “Govt debt is growing by $86M each day. ”
    That’s approx $31.4 Billion extra debt a year, on top of the current $150B debt.
    
    Interest bill per year?
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:41pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Assuming 10% of the total population are net taxpayers (which is generous), that’s $300,000 per taxpayer. LOL @ the rest of the 21st Century.
      
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      December 13, 2022 3:59pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8XtmeSK78

Twitter Files Three: Trump Was Right

Information about the Feds dirty tricks in association with Twitter is being drip-fed to the public.
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December 12, 2022 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The left are terrified, they know he is coming back and they can’t stop him.
  Tax fraud? Take that with a container load of salt.
  Trump 2024
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:27am
- virtualmark
  
  Twitter Files 3.
  
  Donald Trump tried to overthrow the US government, incited a riot where 140 Capitol Police were hurt & people died, that led to over 950 people being criminally charged, including convictions for seditious conspiracy … much of that incitement being via tweets … and all the #TwitterFiles show is that Twitter still struggled with what to do about his account.
  
  If a president of the United States can be silenced by Big Tech just for urging his supporters to abduct or kill his vice president and suspend the Constitution, then is the First Amendment irrepairably broken?
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:06pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Twitter’s biggest challenge with Trump is that he was great for business. (Just like he was for CNN, the NY Times etc etc).
    
    Until, after 6 January, the cost of being seen to still support Trump outweighed the benefit of the attention and $$$ he brought to your social media network.
    
    Capitalism.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:40pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    You are a BS repeater – but keep it up – it may be partly true.
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:02pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      He got Trump’s name right.
      
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      December 13, 2022 4:00pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Come on Don, is that the best you’ve got? Surely you can try harder than that.
    
    What do you think Twitter should have done with Trump’s Twitter account after 6 January? Put on your big boy pants and think like a responsible adult.
    
    Or throw out some lightweight insult because you don’t want to have to think. Your choice.
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:07pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It’s on record that he told people to protest peacefully.
    
    As you were.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      Peaceful. You mean no burning down business or shootings, no assaults like the ~~Peaceful democratic supported~~ antifa and blm protests
      
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      December 12, 2022 4:45pm
    - virtualmark
      
      You mean when he tweeted that they should “stay peaceful” **after** they had already breached the Capitol?
      
      Really, you’ve got to be some super-level of gullible if you believe Trump wanted a peaceful protest on Jan 6.
      
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      December 12, 2022 4:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Gullibility is very often willful. If Trump told these people that the word ‘gullible’ was no longer in the dictionary, then none of them would feel the need to check
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:19pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC4cfxz3Xj8

China Relaxing Epidemic Prevention Policies; Chaos Continues to Unfold

In wake of the white paper revolution, which erupted as a result of public protests against extreme epidemic prevention policies in China, the Chinese Communist Party authorities have issued new prevention regulations in recent days, relaxing the requirements for containment and nucleic acid testing. Many cities have closed down their nucleic acid testing sites, but many public places still check for proof of testing, causing long lines at the only testing site available. In addition, despite the relaxation of nucleic acid testing, many provinces and cities are still building large scale fangcang hospitals. This contradictory policy has created more confusion and public discontent. The Chinese authorities are now under pressure to loosen the blockade. The 10 new policies released on December 7 did not have any mention of “dynamic zeroing”, which seems to be a sign of relaxing policies. However, it is difficult for local officials to guess what’s on the minds of the higher-ups, and they are afraid of losing their positions if they make a mistake, thus creating a confusing process during the implementation. In addition, under the CCP propaganda, the majority of the public is afraid of COVID-19, so we’ll have to wait and see how they adapt after being completely liberalized. Whether or not this will put pressure on the health care system is unknown, and it could result in a new wave of confusion and chaos. [16:50]
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December 12, 2022 9:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern – Authoritarian or Tyrant?

This is the language of authoritarianism although it is expressed in more mellow terms. Given Ms. Ardern’s communication credentials she is able to make authoritarianism look acceptable. But it is, nevertheless, typical of the mindset of the tyrant.

Ms. Ardern is possessed of a high sense of the righteousness of her cause. She does not debate ideas. She rejects them or refutes the premises of opposition without engaging in debate. She therefore avoids confronting the uncomfortable reality that she may be wrong. And by rejecting and refuting she adopts an air of superiority that views dissent as evil and, because it has become “weaponized” it is too dangerous to allow.

https://www.nzcpr.com/eroding-freedom-of-expression/
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December 12, 2022 9:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She’s an authoritarian tyrant.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:34am
- Jack5
  
  David Harvey does a fine analysis of Ardern in the article Maggy Wassilieff links to.
  
  A very minor point: Harvey copies an error that Ardern makes with “refute” (or as she pronounces it, refude) when she means “rebut”.
  
  Does Ardern know what she’s doing when she’s using “refute”? Is it a tactic from Communications Studies 101?
  
  https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/rebut-refute/
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:38am
  - JJ56
    
    She knows what she means.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “refute” Jaspinda never proves anything. What she says is the truth.//
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:33am
- Paulus
  
  You think she is that clever !
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:40am
- Master Mariner
  
  Maybe ? You can take the person out of the Mormon thing but you cant take the Mormon thing out of her?
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if Jacinda Ardern realises what has happened under her watch..

Almost every area of government touched by Jacinda Ardern’s administration has failed.

In addition, major reforms have been undertaken to benefit iwi leaders without any mandate from voters – as the Three Waters debacle shows only too clearly.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/muriel-newman-labour-s-decline
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December 12, 2022 9:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Quiz Time

Which Labour MPs will be “moving on”?
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December 12, 2022 9:27am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  All of them hopefully
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:28am
- Ghost
  
  J. Ardern, just a matter of if it is before the election because her ego can’t take a loss or after
  A. Little, should be prosecuted then tar and feathered for what he has done to the health system
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am wishing for an Election Eve thermonuclear meltdown.
    Delicious.
    Starting to look like is won’t happen 🙁
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:37am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Ghost bro – She has announced she will be standing again in Mt.Albert. So SHE WILL BE LEADING LABOUR in 2023 election and win big on the back of bribes to be announced in 2023 budget.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:02am
- Maggie's partner
  
  Nash, Clark, Little
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:44am
  - rockape
    
    Damien O Connor.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:46am
- hullkiwi
  
  Good question, I heard these comments on Friday and again this morning, but who?
  
  Now that the Duck is gone, who? It is not as though Labour have a surfeit of 60+ year old MPs who have been MPs forever.
  
  If you add useless, and seat warmers as the reasons to elbow MPs out, the obvious candidates are:
  1. Poto Williams
  2. Damien O’Connor
  3. Greg O’connor
  4. David Parker
  5 Andrew Little
  6 Kelvin Davis
  7 N Mahuta
  8 David Clarke
  9 Phil Tywford
  
  Given none of the above have spoken publicly about their futures’, Ardern’s comment smacks of her & her cronies “retiring” MPs via the selection process.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:37am
- Colville
  
  I think the more interesting question is who will take the Top Job ?
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:44am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Michael Wood (union vote).
    
    Mahuta may covert the job, but it would split the party, and not even the unions would put up with her level of incompetence in the top job.
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:24pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Maggie W – My inside spies tell me it will be only David Clarke and couple of useless list MPs. So don’t wait in anticipation and excitement.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:03am
- kowtow
  
  Looks like David Clark is on his bike ………..again.
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:06pm
I remember when

Newshub: Christchurch shootings of 4 houses:
Resident of one area said it was racism because that side of the street is all “Muslim.”
Which raises the question – is it still racism if you are a European “Muslim?”
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December 12, 2022 9:30am
- RoboRob
  
  The police reported that one of the houses appeared to have been a mistake, the shooters got the wrong house. The subtle message here is that the police know which house should have been the target. My assumption is that the shootings are gang related (gangs shooting at each others houses).
  
  Pity reporting is reduced to the point where you have to read between the lines to determine what might really be happening. Obviously we are not allowed to know when gang crime occurs.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:50am
  - Paulus
    
    The Christchurch shooting neighbour – a Maori I beelieve, says the neigbours, which are Muslims, are very good neighbours – so look elesewhere towards Gangs.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:43am
    - RoboRob
      
      Are you sure their house wasn’t the one ‘mistakenly attacked’?
      
      But even if I am wrong re the gangs, it further proves my point. In avoiding providing details of attacks where gangs are involved it makes people, like me, see gang interaction where there might not be.
      
      Acurate, full, reporting from the police and media would be great.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:15am
  - Sacha
    
    If you look at Kiwi Codger’s YouTube channel, you will might think that we could be seeing the rebirth of tribal wars as was seen between the 1820’s Maori tribes.
    Sudden surprise raids and making off with the proceeds. Or killing/torturing/eating the victims. I hope it won’t come to that, but fear is a great controlling mechanism.
    We know that from the past two years –
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:54am
    - kowtow
      
      And why ever not ?
      
      The Supreme Court says “tikanga” is ok , innit.
      
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      December 12, 2022 12:09pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is gangs. I have never heard of Muslims shooting each other in Christchurch.
  
  In Europe young Muslim men are a nightmare – many of them seem to leave the Middle East and Northern Africa alone. They get to Sweden and realise their prospects of jobs and a wife are NIL. In New Zealand, we tend to have refugee families.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:44am
  - Jack5
    
    Did Christchurch find an answer …
    
    When a Muslim teenager was arrested when planning on a car and knife massacre in the city, the court punishment led to the teenager getting golf lessons.
    
    Not sure leniency was shown to a Christchurch notorious white racist imprisoned for 21 months for sharing banned video of the mosques massacres.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

There’s been an awful lot of speculation on Twitter with people saying Jacinda will likely resign in the New Year.

I’ve replied to most of them pointing out she wont be going anywhere until after the biggest PHOTO-OP of the century…..King Charles Coronation!

Anyone think differently?
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December 12, 2022 9:35am
- alloytoo
  
  I’m rooting for Mahuta to roll her.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:45am
  - RoboRob
    
    Would that mean that all Labour staffers would end up being Mahuta relatives?
    
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    December 12, 2022 9:51am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    If Mahuta rolls her and becomes PM, Labour will dive to the mid-teens in the polls.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That can only be a good thing.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:41am
    - rockape
      
      I don’t think we are too far away from there being a brown labour and a white labour each with about15%.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:48am
      - Sacha
        
        Hey Winston! Who you’re gonna call?
        
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        December 12, 2022 10:55am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        The brown Labour will morph into the Maori Party
        
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        December 12, 2022 11:37am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      fightingtermeraire – Day dreams are still free in Jacinda’s regime.
      
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      December 12, 2022 11:09am
    - Drone
      
      If Mahuta does then there will be no need to worry about polls again because there will never be another election.
      
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      December 12, 2022 2:43pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The best thing about that eventuality is that without Spindy at the helm Labour will get an even bigger drubbing at the election.
  
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  December 12, 2022 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 times the lies as well.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:41am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I Agree. These Republicans love cuddling up to Aristos
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:02am
- Scooter
  
  After her latest Facebook Post re kids Xmas cards, I think she is in rapid denial, soon to exit and probably end up in a loony bin.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:06am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Cabinet is already a loony bin.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:12am
- cmm
  
  We should send our royalty: Mahuta.
  
  But, no, I can’t see Cindy passing on taking a selfie at the coronation.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dr-john-robinson-are-we-two-peoples-separate-are-indigenous-maori-a-race-apart/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Are-we-two-peoples-separate-Are-%E2%80%98indigenous-Maori-a-race-apart-.pdf

A good summary by Dr John Robinson.
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December 12, 2022 9:39am
ClanMcleod

The excellent Eugyppius reporting from Germany.

Now that Covid is no longer dangerous, shrieking hypochondriac and ScIEnCE-journalist-of-the-year Christina Berndt demands a continuation of mask mandates to combat RSV and influenza

For Christina Berndt, substitute Michael Baker.

Masking is a stupid, superstitious exercise that does nothing to stop virus infections, but that’s beside the point. Imagine, instead, that strapping these low-quality pseudomedical plastics to your face actually reduced your rate of respiratory infection. In this counterfactual scenario, it would follow that masks are at least partly responsible for the immunity deficit causing the unusually high rates of RSV and influenza infection that Berndt deplores. Continuing to mask would merely prolong our immunological naiveté for another season, potentially leading to long-term dependence on this ridiculous, antisocial ritual. It’s a blessing that masks actually do nothing.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/now-that-covid-is-no-longer-dangerous?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=268621&post_id=89999823&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email

This was all predicted pre the covid clown show. That masking and lockdowns would cause suppression of immune systems leading to bigger problems further down the line. This has happened. Then ask yourself why is covid, RSV etc surging as we come into summer? A combination of the above stupid interventions and the jabs themselves which we know cause damage to the innate immune system. Again, it was all predicted. Whereas everything predicted by the “chosen experts” turned out to be utter bullshit.

No surprises here, the only surprise is that so many people still believe the shit they were told by Ardern and co. Facing up to the truth can be difficult, but the thing is, it will still be the truth, no matter how deep a hole people dig to bury their head in.
We were duped.
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December 12, 2022 9:43am
Sparrow

On a different subject. For the first time I got to hear about the “15 minute City”. Its frightening its not a conspiracy theory” it’s happening in Oxford UK and being planned in Melbourne and elsewhere in the world. We get locked up in ghettos can only travel outside a few times. Watch Neil Oliver it’s unbelievable. How long before our lot start introducing it ??
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December 12, 2022 9:45am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  “Lets get Wellington Moving”
  
  As long as you don’t want to, you know, actually move about, or visit the city, or park anywhere when you do.
  
  Or go to the hospital -because all the street parks are now a cycle lane. Or the Airport, because Cobham Drive is now a pedestrian crossing, for all the tens of thousands of Wellingtonians who walk from Miramar to Kilbirnie every day….
  
  See! Government is easy if all you have is a degree in “planning”, or “communication” for that matter.
  
  Or a Minister of Transport who majored in selling off the peg cheap suits.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:01am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Oh shit! “Let’s get Wellington moving”. I always thought it was “Let’s get Wellington mooing”.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:33am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I find it hard to believe that loony left Oxford stuff can survive a legal challenge on constitutional grounds. Failing that it will be time to resort to violence.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  And once cash is gone and currency is digital , they can control your movements even more tightly a la the CCP so called social credit system that they seem so enamoured by .
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:12pm
I remember when

Staff: Wanted: 65,000 staff for tourism sector.
Fall off a cliff: Building industry downturn could cost 45,000 jobs as construction halves – expert.

Government balancing labour requirements
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December 12, 2022 9:52am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Newshub reports that we have only 97000 people registered as Unemployed!
  
  Yet 277,410 people are receiving a main benefit.
  
  Did Grant Robertson supply these figures??
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:16am
  - Ghost
    
    Might be that those 97,000 are work ready. The others will be on supported living, solo parent,
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:19am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Breeding and feeding. I know of s completely useless couple that have been given two houses by the state and are busy wrecking their kids’ lives. Of course they won’t give up custody because that is their honey pot but they are more than happy to shove their kids onto others whenever they want to go on a bender which is at least weekly.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:28am
ClanMcleod

I’m permanently “suspended” from Twitter. Looks like Elon is going to release more interesting items regarding the whole shutting down of meaningful discussion around the covid circus.
His new “pronouns.”

Prosecute/Fauci

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1601894132573605888?s=20

As Joel Smalley says at Dead Man Talking:

Elon Musk Did Not Die in a Car Accident
2023 is going to be really interesting though…

Someone asks Musk when we’ll get the Twitter files on covid. Musk replies “oh it is coming big time”

https://metatron.substack.com/p/elon-musk-did-not-die-in-a-car-accident?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=579085&post_id=89959823&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email
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December 12, 2022 9:58am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Musk is the gift that keeps on giving. As someone said elsewhere, we are so lucky to have him in our lifetime.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:23am
- General
  
  It’s been long overdue. Great development. Shout out to Harvey Risch from Yale and Ed Dowd also who don’t get as much credit as the other noble people calling out the extent of this disgusting crime and ongoing cover up
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:38am
- virtualmark
  
  Can you just clarify for me … if we’re prosecuting Fauci what are the charges?
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:56pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Seem to be quite a range to choose from – funding the virus development, covering it up, denying both, misdirecting public health, damaging education …
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:30pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Well I’ll look forward to seeing the indictment, and seeing the depth of evidence that comes to Court.
      
      Look, I have no doubt the GOP-led House will do a Benghazi on Fauci. It’ll be bread-and-circuses for the MAGA mob. Just like after leading chants of “Lock her up, lock her up” Trump spent 4 years doing what with Hilary? Nothing. Made you all angry though.
      
      I don’t believe Fauci is infallible, I think he made mistakes that, with hindsight, he probably regrets and wouldn’t repeat again if put in the same situation. He likely did the best he could. Like most humans. And he was working for a President and administration who didn’t listen to or follow the science.
      
      But I don’t expect there will ever be criminal charges against him, because I don’t think there’d be any sensible evidence to convict.
      
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      December 12, 2022 2:03pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I see they have begun:
    https://amac.us/fauci-deposed-landmark-lawsuit-implicates-doc-in-big-tech-censorship-regime/
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:32pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Well it will be interesting to watch that progress.
      
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      December 12, 2022 5:02pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Manslaughter at a minimum I would have though. What were the charges laid against Goering and von Ribbentrop at Nuremberg?
    
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    December 12, 2022 3:28pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Then would Trump and Kushner be on the same indictment? Because Trump, as President, was the decision-maker not Fauci.
      
      Or … if we apply even a modicum of intelligence to this … the likelihood of Fauci being charged with manslaughter is zero. So your suggestion, amid the comparisons with war criminals, is insane. You need to dial back the drinking.
      
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      December 12, 2022 5:00pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        You need to read “A plague upon our house” by Scott Atlas.
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:15pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Alan,
        
        Manslaughter is a serious charge, so it would need to be backed up with serious evidence. And I have never seen anything like the evidence that would be needed to indict, let alone convict, Fauci of manslaughter.
        
        I do remember Scott Atlas, and how Trump brought him into the US Covid response. Atlas is a radiologist, specialising in the brain. He’s not an infectious diseases guy and he’s not a public health guy, so I’m a bit leery of what he’d say. But I hadn’t realised he’d written a book, and summer is coming so I may add that to the reading list.
        
        Interestingly, the rumour is that Trump came to know Scott Atlas because Trump (or WH doctors) consulted him on Trump having dementia. Atlas is a world-leading expert on using MRI to diagnose neurological conditions like dementia and Parkinsons. He literally wrote the textbook on that stuff.
        
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        December 12, 2022 6:11pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        You’ve read the lying Lefty media spin against Atlas. He has been a public health expert for many years. Read the book and you will find Fauci hogged the media, ignored everyone else, took no notice of the science as it developed and knew swfa about public health consequences. Presciently the politician Atlas found most diligent, open minded and courageous was DeSantis. The consequences Atlas warned about all came to pass.
        
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        December 12, 2022 7:46pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Fauci, like Baker here, was the loudest “expert” telling the government what to do. This will be Ardern’s get out of jail card which she will use because she is a snakeoil seller of the worst kind. “I was following the advice of the “experts.”
        Not a shred of moral fibre, not an honest bone in her body. A narcissistic liar and a fraud. Just like Fauci.
        I’m not a lawyer, so I don’t really know what the appropriate charges should be, but he is responsible for the early deaths of many, many thousands of people in the US and probably also around the world.
        This is apparently US law and would be a minimum charge I would have thought.
        
        Involuntary manslaughter
        
        Involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another person without the intent to kill, but where the person’s death occurs as a result of the negligent or reckless actions of the defendant
        
        He is responsible for the creation of the virus and he is responsible for pushing the experimental “vaccine” using coercion, psychological manipulation, bribery, mandates etc etc. Like Baker, he is the most visible driver of the insane npis that did NOTHING to protect people, instead it destroyed lives, destroyed businesses, destroyed relationships, physically and mentally injured people, particularly children. And these actions killed people. Far more than the virus would ever have managed on its own.
        
        These are facts that are emerging more rapidly every week and will become crystal clear as time goes on. There has been a massive campaign to shut down alternative voices, to gaslight, to manipulate and to propagandise, but it won’t stop the truth emerging.
        At some point, a majority of people are going to realise the extent of the lie that has been imposed and the gravity of what has been done. They will rightly demand justice be served on those responsible.
        
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        December 13, 2022 7:12am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Again, you’ve been living on another planet if you cannot see the horror that has been caused in the last 2+ years by the moronic response to covid.
        
        As for Trump being responsible, what a joke. He was advised by Facui and others, he implemented “Operation Warp Speed” as a response. What was the response of Biden and the rest of the libtards on the left? “I’m not taking that shit and you shouldn’t either.”
        Right up until they took power then, even with new information available showing concerns about the “vaccines”, they mandate, threatened, bribed and coerced their citizens into taking it.
        Trump has the same get out of jail card as Ardern. He was advised by “experts.” The “experts” were either liars and frauds or the most astonishingly inept “experts” since those who demonised Capernicus.
        Trump, like Ardern, may be able to use this excuse, but not the “experts” and those in the media who shouted longest and hardest and wanted the most despicable punishments brought on the heads of those who dared speak out against the insanity.
        Like Chris Trotter who has now apparently become a great advocate for free speech, yet refuses to comment on his publication from over a year ago when he calls for “anti vaxxers” to be punished.
        
        not at all helpful to a Government struggling with the problem of what to do with citizens who refuse to acknowledge either the validity of “The Science”, or their obligations to the collective welfare of the society in which they live.
        
        After all, the proudly vaccine resistant – the so-called “anti-vaxxers” – cannot even point to a brutalised upbringing in poverty as the explanation for their selfishness. In the avowed and proud anti-vaxxer, the state is confronted with the sort of reckless solipsism that it is actually dangerous to ignore. The sort of people who make fake bookings at a vaccination centre in a deliberate attempt to sabotage the system should not be forgiven – they should be punished.
        
        https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2021/10/putting-on-armour-of-covid-righteousness.html
        
        Chris apparently wants us all to forget about what he said. There are many “experts”, politicians and “journalists” who are in the same position. Who want it all to go away and for everyone to forget what they said and did. Chris Bishop, Michael Wood, Hipkins, Bloomfield, Wiles, Jackson, Hendy, Plank, Petoussis-Harris -the list is long but not distinguished.
        I note in the comments some rabid lunatics wanting to absolutely smash the rabid “far right” rabble daring to not follow the party line, their comments haven’t aged well.
        On the other hand there were some very rational, lucid comments that have aged very well from a “Tom Hunter.” I am guessing it is the same “Tom Hunter” who comments here from time to time? If so, well said that man, well said. One of very few rational and sane voices among the hysterical and rabid mob.
        
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        December 13, 2022 8:02am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Herald has an Aussie article on Lefty melt-down re Musk’s pronouns for St Fauci. What idiots. Fun times.
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:11pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  ‘My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci’
  -Elon Musk Dec 11, 2022
  💥💥
  When you have ALL the tweets and DMs that the culprits thought they deleted, you can be very sure of yourself…😉
  #thebestisyettocome
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:19pm
Ghost

Luxon is right, nothing racist about it, get your head out of your arse and look around Aupito

‘Luxon needs to get his head out of my garage and into real world’ – Aupito William Sio hits back at National leader’s comment

Luxon was interviewed this month about crime, the health system and nursing. When asked about how National would prevent youth crime, Luxon said: “If you’re sitting in a garage in South Auckland with your two brothers and you’re thinking about life and where you’re going, consciously or unconsciously, the gang life looks pretty attractive.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/talanoa/luxon-needs-to-get-his-head-out-of-my-garage-and-into-real-word-aupito-william-sio/4TMQYUZOJVFFVE54KCONZBFR6E/
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December 12, 2022 10:10am
- Jack5
  
  Further on Ghost’s post …
  
  Labour Minister Sio shows Woke prejudice as he responds to Christopher Luxon’s flippent comment in the Herald about “gang members congregating in South Auckland garages.”
  
  Sio says: “… I hope the young people – the generation of the six Bs – brown, beautiful, brainy, bilingual, bicultural and bold – stand up to this guy.”
  
  What if a politician of the Centre or of the Right were to speak of : “ … the young people … ~~brown~~ white, beautiful, brainy, bilingual, bicultural and bold …”
  
  The Woke would wet themselves in outrage.
  
  The alliteration is broken in the example, but it demonstrates the Woke’s dual-standard.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:34am
I remember when

Climate Change:
Snow in London overnight.
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December 12, 2022 10:12am
- Random T Person
  
  They will tell you that climate change is uneven, so cold weather is yet more proof. I, of course, will counter that if it is uneven, surely some places will benefit and become nicer for habitation, even as others become less suitable?
  IE, if we assume yes climate is changing, then won’t there be some benefits, even as there are some disadvantages? And why don’t we ever talk about those benefits?
  Seems a bit unbalanced, eh.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:26am
  - David Garrett
    
    Random T: Yes indeed…at one time a spoof slogan was doing the rounds: “Dunedin – looking forward eagerly to global warming”
    
    Although I have to say that if that dump had the balmy winter climate up here in Tonga I wouldn’t want to live there.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:37am
- All_on_Red
  
  Snow Extant in Northern Europe is the highest it’s been since they started measuring it 56 years ago
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/11/28/the-end-of-snow-again/
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:26am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  They’ll keep warm talking about hitting 40C somewhere in summer.
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:26am
- NZer In Exile
  
  When were Hippos wallowing around in the Thames?
  
  During the last inter-glacial about 120,000 years ago.
  
  Proxy records (tree rings, altitude of ancient forests, lake bed sediments etc etc) indicate it was hotter then than it is now.
  
  Note also that Polar bears were around on earth then too and they survived.
  
  There is nothing “unprecedented” about today’s climate, today’s rate of climate change, today’s rate of sea level rise, today’s incidence of floods, droughts, storms or forest fires.
  
  It is not possible for Co2 to continuously “heat” the planet to any significant degree beyond a certain point. Most of it’s effect is done already. What you are seeing is a runaway half baked hypothesis being used by utopian grifters for social engineering.
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:11pm
Maggie's partner

More leaking from the Beehive, this time the day after Hamilton West turned blue……

JA: I just don’t get it. How can we lose a Bi-election? We are the party of the LGBGTI community after all, surely one of those initials stands for Bi?

NM: More like a bye bye election for you, Cindy sister bro

JA: Whatever, we need to do something urgently. Robbo, how much money do we have?

GR: Not a lot, I regret to say, PM, we have spent most of it.

JA: Well go and get some more from wherever money comes from then.

GR: Ah, yes, well I am afraid that’s not quite how it works, PM.

JA: I still can’t see how we lost. Megan, you were in charge. What happened to the extra boxes of votes that were going to turn up at the last minute?

MW: Well they did turn up, PM, but unfortunately they were for Joe Biden. Must be a supplier mix up.

JA: And where’s Chippie today?

GR: He had an appointment, PM. Said it was urgent. He looked very smart, I must say.

JA: OMG, the bastard, he’s gone for a job interview.

GR: It did look like that, PM, would you like me to take over all his ministerial responsibilities?

JA: No, I shall do it. I can do anything. It’s time for me to rise, like a Felix from the ashes, and put on the mantle of true greatness.
After all, I solved child poverty, built 100,000 houses, planted a million trees, ended ram raiding, fixed the health service, eradicated potholes, cured covid, ended the war in Ukraine and turned Aotearoa into a united and positive country.
I shall win us the next election, then leave to marry my handsome prince in a fairy castle attended by pink unicorns, and live happily ever after.

NM: Jeez, Cindy sister bro, have you been on the Ngaruawahia Gold again?

GR: I tell you what PM, how about a nice lie down, that’s right, close your eyes, listen to me. Once upon a time there lived a beautiful princess………
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December 12, 2022 10:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Love the dig at Joe Biden!
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “a Felix from the ashes”
  
  What a crack-up…
  I can’t wait to plagiarise it.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:10am
  - Maggie's partner
    
    I know, still makes me giggle, and I wrote it
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:23am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Very good Maggie’s partner!
  
  Have you thought of writing a play or a TV series to this effect?
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:17pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING

First update from the wonderful Dr. Jay Bhattacharya blacklisted by Twitter 1.0…..

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1602052936921939968
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December 12, 2022 10:45am
- Matt Long
  
  Interesting that there’s now clear proof that there was no shadow banning on Twitter 1.
  What in fact happened was totally neutral balanced Twitter employees, who just happened to overwhelmingly support the Regressive movement, would De-amplify Tweets that posed a danger to public safety.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As per my link to Joel Smalley above, 2023 is going to be an interesting year. Bring it on.
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:31am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yes it was 100% mental that Dr. Jay Bhattacharya was blacklisted.
  
  The Lockdown Lovers should have listened to him from the outset.
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:20pm
Paulus

Am puzzled as heard that there are 800,000 New Zealand citizens in Australia, and may be some consideration from the Aussi Government next year. What % are Maori ?
Assume 200,000 other overseas.
Now, what is the 5,000,000 which Ardern keeps on talking about ?
Is it more likely 4,000,000 or thereabouts ?
Assume that in next years Census (March) none of these people will be in New Zealand on the due date so will not be counted in the figures.
Will they ?
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December 12, 2022 10:50am
- fernglas
  
  There are 5 million in NZ and roughly 1 million overseas, mainly in Aussie. Of those overseas, Maori are represented in about the same ratio as in the NZ population.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:14pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  NZers overseas balanced out to some extent by Non NZers in NZ
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

French protesters get their beans.
https://rumble.com/v1yhgti-fed-up-french-drivers-have-no-time-for-climate-crazies.html
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December 12, 2022 11:03am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve: the vid in that link doesn’t seem to work
  
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  December 12, 2022 11:34am
  - cmm
    
    Works fine for me. I clicked, it played.
    
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    December 12, 2022 11:44am
    - cmm
      
      PS: I laughed until my back hurt.
      
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      December 12, 2022 12:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That was a big boy. Just dragged them with one hand.
        
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        December 12, 2022 1:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Works for me and others DG. Dunno why it won’t for you.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:39pm
- mandk
  
  That’s how the eco-fascists should be dealt with.
  
  I think the people removing them showed admirable restraint.
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That big boy could have thrown the pricks over the wall if he wanted to.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:42pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Most of them are brainwashed kiddies straight from the brainwashing factory.
  
  They are potentially holding up emergency services and people needing to get somewhere with life and death urgency.
  
  They are putting themselves and others in grave danger.
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:27pm
In Vino Veritas

Yesterday, was supporting England against France in World Cup. Until those wokester, wanna-be social justice clowns knelt down. And that was that. How I yelled and jumped about in glee each time France scored (and when Kane missed)!
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December 12, 2022 11:08am
Inandout

Dome Valley bitumen (moka) sealing (hiri) is parapara.
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December 12, 2022 11:46am
cmm

It might shock the likes of MMA, but I am pro art. Stuff that takes skill. Stuff that challenges thinking.

But there is really a problem with some modern art which calls real shit “art”. The only challenge is HTF does anyone get away with calling this “art” and charging hundreds of k for it?

Why should the taxpayer be paying to inflate some wanker’s ego?

Here’s a second hand clinker dinghy, painted white and then some twirls on it. Probably not even marine grade paint. You’d be really lucky to get $2k for it on trademe in the boating section. But no, get some posers to call it art and suddenly it is worth tens of thousands and needs a plinth in a multi-million dollar a year gallery!

C’mon bullshit. The major creativity seems to be seeing what you can get away with.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130717040/when-times-are-hard-treating-art-as-a-luxury-doesnt-help
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December 12, 2022 12:01pm
- David Garrett
  
  cmm: Well, at least that painted clinker dinghy is evidence of some artistic talent.
  
  I recall when the Govett-Brewster Gallery in New Plymouth paid some “artist” $10,000 (IIRC) for sweeping some smashed up neon tubes and other rubbish (literally rubbish) into six piles. This was apparently “art”. The ratepayers of New Plymouth had a different view.
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:10pm
- Swifty
  
  1. Here’s a lesson never to put Donna Miles in charge of anything – she clearly demonstrates here that she has no ability to prioritise whatsoever – ie the ability to distinguish between ‘must haves’ and ‘nice to haves’.
  
  2. Art has not only survived it has in fact flourished for thousands of years within the private domain. Governments taking money from families and giving it to artists and art institutions is a new thing.
  
  3. If, as Miles claims, art is so valued, nay, so essential to human life, then I’m sure people will be prepared to pay for it. They’ll prioritise and sacrifice all sorts of things to have it and see it and experience it.
  
  If it is true, as she unwittingly claims, that art will die without taxpayer subsidy then that sort of defeats her argument doesn’t it!
  
  4. I’ve heard that 90%+ of the Auckland Art Gallery’s collection is never displayed, the public can never see it, and the vast majority of it is of foreign artists with no NZ, Maori or Pacific connection whatsoever.
  
  What is the point of tying up hundreds of millions of dollars to do that! And 122 permanent staff!
  
  FFS.
  
  5. Miles displays EXACTLY the muddled, wooly thinking that has plagued local government thinking for decades now.
  
  That rate payer and taxpayer money comes from an inexhaustible tap, that there is no cost involved in taking it from NZ families, that all public spending is good spending and when it all turns to shit then Capitalism Has Failed!!!
  
  Put me and cmm in charge, we’ll sort this out by lunchtime!
  
  😂
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:17pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Woolly, muddled “thinking” is all Miles ever does. Like almost all Stuff’s columnists she is published for making the right noises. The last thing they want is more thinking.
    
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    December 12, 2022 12:35pm
  - BeaB
    
    I particularly admired her argument that Auckland gallery owns more works than the National gallery in London, lots more. Wow.
    Do you think it occurred to her that perhaps it is better to have a few really good painting rather than hundreds of mediocre and crap ones.
    This is one of those tiresome articles we get too many of – a not very bright reporter lecturing the deplorables. They tell us nothing new, state the obvious and sound like an earnest fourth former.
    
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    December 12, 2022 1:14pm
    - Swifty
      
      Well said BeaB.
      
      “They tell us nothing new, state the obvious and sound like an earnest fourth former….”
      
      …and their arguments and rationale are either flimsy, paper thin or completely absent. You can drive trucks through them.
      
      They are usually just assertions and without any evidence or argument or logic whatsoever.
      
      The ‘argument’ that in these difficult, constrained and scary times economically (recession in NZ is widely predicted for 2023) we should be taking even more money from the pockets of struggling NZ families to pay for art and art houses the vast, vast majority of families will never see is not only both incoherent and mind boggling, it actually makes me question Miles’ grip on reality.
      
      Where does she think this money comes from?
      
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      December 12, 2022 1:46pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      The National Gallery in London has WORKS OF ART and most are worth more EACH than all the works in the Akl Gallery.
      
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      December 12, 2022 2:28pm
  - Jack5
    
    Donna is an ethnic-Iranian activist, who came to NZ from the UK. I think she may have been born there.
    
    It’s surprising that she isn’t using her column to write about the oppression of women in Iran.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:31pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Art has pretty much always been paid for by the people, however their contributions have passed through from the home and field etc to the landlords, gentry, nobility and government.
    
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    December 12, 2022 7:15pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol cmm, I remember Tracey Emin’s “My Bed” at the Tate back in 1999 or 2000. She was in for the Turner Prize for that pile of shit. Didn’t win it, but if memory serves me correctly, she sold it for a couple of million quid. Equally as stupid was Martin Boyce’s 2011 effort “Perforated and Porous”. A bloody wonky square rubbish bin. And he won it, getting 25k pounds. The judges claimed it was “pioneering” and displayed “a new sense of poetry”. All wankers.
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:21pm
  - Swifty
    
    Bob Jones has a test as to whether something is art, or not or good art, or not.
    
    Put the piece in the middle of your lounge for a full 12 months and if you still like looking at it then it’s good art.
    
    In my humble view much art today you’d be tossing out after a few days.
    
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    December 12, 2022 12:53pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Saw that article and gave it a miss on the basis of its author. Mayor Brown certainly asks the right questions. I wouldn’t ask that columnist for the right answers.
  
  As for clinker dinghies, I knew an old boat builder in Devonport who used to collect kauri wall linings scavenged from demolished villas, tie bundles under the wharf to soften them for a few months and then make dinghies out of them. Now that is art.
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:28pm
- Ehlana
  
  The arguments about taxpayer funding for art and sport seem to me very similar. Both are essentially entertainment. The justification for taxpayer funding is that these “higher” forms of the entertainment arts would not survive without it. But surely that is an admission that most people don’t think it is worth paying for?
  
  If taxpayers are to fund performing or visual arts or sport, it should be at the foundation level – teaching skills to school children and probably as therapy for people with physical injuries, mental illnesses or in prison (as more appropriate emotional outlets than violence). That would benefit a larger group of people and, perhaps, eventually build a paying audience for the “higher” forms.
  
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  December 12, 2022 3:16pm
- MCōs
  
  Pontificating about the value of art has kept blood boiling since forever.
  A lot of it comes down to whether a particular artist’s work is collectible, I would suggest.
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Perhaps cmm doesn’t pay much attention to the occasional pieces of high-quality art commentary available on Kiwiblog.
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:19pm
Nickc2

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Aupito William Sio Labour Minister for Pacific Peoples and Associate Foreign Affairs Minister has by implication set his South Auckland youth on Chris Luxon.
IMO, he’s playing the RACE CARD in its worst form of the game, and all because Cindy and his bunch of fuckwits lost the election in Hamilton West.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/talanoa/luxon-needs-to-get-his-head-out-of-my-garage-and-into-real-word-aupito-william-sio/4TMQYUZOJVFFVE54KCONZBFR6E/
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December 12, 2022 12:15pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  What else has he got in that garage?
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:40pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I’d turn these garages over looking for stolen stuff if I was leading the plods.
    
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    December 12, 2022 12:49pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Garages are places of family gatherings, for worshipping, funerals, 21st birthdays, Christmas celebrations.”
  
  Bugger me – I’ve been doing it wrong all these years. I just keep my cars in there, and the lawnmower and the bait freezer.
  
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  December 12, 2022 2:08pm
Benedict Yu

It is a pleasing conclusion from the Ombudsman, but this?

““I also believe MBIE acted unreasonably by failing to undertake an analysis under Te Tiriti o Waitangi when developing its online allocation, and by not consulting with Māori sooner.””

What did the MIQ system have to do with the Treaty? It affected all New Zealand citizens. Just absurd finding.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130733059/government-officials-acted-unreasonably-over-miq-advice–ombudsman
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December 12, 2022 12:33pm
- Nickc2
  
  Another Ombudsman acting beyond his station!
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:37pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It’s like “science” now. Every report has to take the knee at the end “Because climate change”. Beyond ridiculous.
  
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  December 12, 2022 12:44pm
NothingLeft

Was talking to a number of couples at a party in the weekend all successful STEM graduates with teenage kids in decile 1 schools, even leaving aside parental pride/boasting/blinkers intelligence heritability means that on average their kids will be well above mean student in terms of potential. But here’s the scary thing: All of their kids were having to get maths tutoring because the maths teachers (even in sought-after decile 1 schools!) are so useless

Yet another area where govt is failing massively.
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December 12, 2022 12:34pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Anyone competent at maths and logic can get a job with twice the salary and a fraction of the b.s. in IT.
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:16pm
- cmm
  
  Anyone with enough logic in their heads to teach maths won’t last 5 minutes in the average staff room!
  
  What I want to know is why these people don’t just teach their kids themselves?
  
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  December 12, 2022 3:32pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    They probably have to know the expected group think conventions required to get full marks from NZ examiners. They are unlikely to reward independent thought.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:43pm
Libertarians are right

Stuff have an article from the Sunday Times in London about the Argentina/Netherlands game which got nasty. It’s quite racist as it blames only Argentina and ignores the large amount of stuff done by the Dutch.

The best part is where it says (paraphrased):
“Why do the Argentinians care so much?
Because they do OK. It doesn’t matter where it’s played.”

Stuff edited the article because originally it said the following:
“Why do the Argentinians care so much?

“One thing I know about the Argentinians is that a vast gulf exists between their presumption – elsewhere in Latin America they are seen as insufferably arrogant – and the little they have achieved as a nation despite a glut of natural resources and a highly educated population.

As a culture they have failed, and deep down they know it.”

It doesn’t matter where it’s played.”

How did that article get printed in the first place? That was horrendously racist and they’ve just covered it up and pretended it didn’t happen.
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December 12, 2022 1:00pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Two of my least favorite teams. Used to support the Dutch a bit but their 2010 final effort against Spain was the worst example of pre-meditated thuggery I can recall.
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:15pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I read it in the Times and didn’t think it was racist, just a bit biased as the comments pointed out. The author had lived in Argentina.
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:20pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I know the word “racist” gets thrown around a lot, but I’m totally willing to use it when the author is explicitly claiming an entire group of people are arrogant and their culture is a total failure (my quote above was a direct quote of part of his attack). Did you read this full version or the edited version?
    He moved to Argentina with his Dad who worked at the UK Embassy and was there in the lead up to the Falklands crisis.
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:42pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Argentinians are a nation, not a race. They have a pretty nasty history. Ok, it’s stereotyping to classify them all into the nasty category but most people understand that as a tendency rather than a rule.
      
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      December 12, 2022 3:48pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes, national identity is not the same as ethnicity.
        
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        December 12, 2022 4:47pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I spent 2 months in Argentina. Crazy economic policies but I thought the people were friendly. Experienced no racism. Food was great too.
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:13pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @BY A close friend’s daughter studied there for several years and had a similar good experience. The bureaucracy eventually screwed it up for her though.
        
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        December 12, 2022 5:42pm
CAKE FACE1

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sir-ian-taylor-the-labour-party-i-used-to-know/3GG7OAKR35HE3AI7G5MXR5CQNY/

Ouch!
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December 12, 2022 1:11pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Paywalled – why even post it? Nobody I know with a functioning brain cell would give a penny (other than indirectly and unwillingly through the PIJF) to that tawdry rag.
  
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  December 12, 2022 2:04pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    I didn’t give them a penny to read it (except with the PIJF). Someone posted an extension here, which I downloaded, so I can now access the Herald premium for nothing. By the way, this is not illegal.
    
    What is surprising to see in the article was a life-long Labour supporter abandoning ship.
    
    Short highlights were:
    
    “I have been wondering for some time now what happened to the Labour Party that I have supported all my life. I am 72, which means I was voting Labour before the current Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, was even born…
    
    But somewhere things changed and I wondered where it had all gone wrong…
    
    The announcement of the Royal Commission on Covid; Willie Jackson’s “train wreck” interview with Jack Tame on the merger of RNZ and TVNZ; the Three Waters constitutional “mistake”… and the Prime Minister featuring on the front page of the New Zealand Woman’s Weekly…
    
    I have no idea who is advising the Prime Minister at the moment, but surely that article, on sale in supermarkets across the country where ordinary Kiwis come face to face with the cost of living crisis every week, was as tone-deaf as it possibly could have been…
    
    Instead, transparency has disappeared, the economic and social divide has grown and the dangers of a party led by ingrained and inflexible ideologies have come to the fore…
    
    And into this gap has stepped Willie Jackson and Nanaia Mahuta.
    
    I don’t need to highlight the concerns around the ideology-driven agenda that appears to have taken control of Cabinet. Both ministers did that for us last week.”
    
    There was a lot more, but that is as much as I should quote.
    
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    December 12, 2022 3:13pm
    - Jack5
      
      Ssshh!
      
      Cake Face1’s … Someone posted an extension here, which I downloaded, so I can now access the Herald premium for nothing.
      
      Writers of Paywall Breakers are in continuous battle with pay walls as software is upgraded to counter them.
      
      Publicising paywall breakers helps get them defeated. It’s like boasting in prison about an unlocked gate.
      
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      December 12, 2022 4:05pm
backster

Just when you think things couldn’t get any worse maybe they could https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poLmgfSa3rc
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December 12, 2022 1:15pm
Ghost

Another day and another gut wrenching story.

The wife of a man brutally beaten by a group of drag racers fears their four children may never have their dad back as they knew him due to the extent of brain damage he may have suffered.

Mark MacLean was viciously attacked on Friday night on the driveway of his home on the corner of Falls Rd and Hudson Rd in Warkworth, north Auckland around 11.30pm. He is now in hospital in an induced coma and in a critical but stable condition.

His wife Dereda Lipsey-Maclean said he had earlier that night been in a verbal and physical fight with someone after drag racers started doing burnouts outside their home. All the cars in the area left and she told Mark to go for a walk to cool off after the dispute.

The next thing Dereda heard was one of her children screaming that there had been another fight.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/warkworth-assault-father-critically-injured-family-living-a-nightmare-after-dispute-over-burnouts-turned-violent/SWR6JLVEUZH33GQDZSXPLSW2YI/

Give a little page

https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/support-is-needed-for-a-local-family
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December 12, 2022 1:23pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  All of the drivers of those cars should be tracked down and jailed. The cars destroyed.
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:31pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Won’t happen. Too hard to find them and goes against the ‘soft on crime’ policy.
    
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    December 12, 2022 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is violence out of control. We are at the stage where Police are so woke they will not interfere.
  $30 going to help the Dad.
  
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  December 12, 2022 1:55pm
  - cmm
    
    The problem with the “go softly” approach is that it leads to more police work in some ways and less in others:
    * More because the criminal scum don’t get the message, so they keep offending and there are more callouts.
    * Less because the public lose confidence in the cops so give up and stop calling them.
    
    Take for example the case that BY told us of last week….
    
    The criminal scum threatened BY’s KO-case manager friend, so the next day she has to go again – escorted by a cop.
    
    What does that really help?
    
    Instead, if the criminal scum was charged with threatening, it would be a bit more paperwork, once. Hopefully the message would get through and the cops don’t have to be called out as much.
    
    I suppose though that even if the cops did their job, the dudges would drop the ball – wasting everyone’s time.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:30pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Where were the cops? Taking sensitivity training, policing hate speech, dialling down the radar speed detector tolerances?
  
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  December 12, 2022 2:02pm
  - kowtow
    
    It would be very interesting to know how much time is taken up by bail checks and domestics.
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:17pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    You forgot karakia and waiata practice.
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:55pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The wife and I contributed to this give-a-little page. We both thought that it was worth supporting this man’s rights to a bit of peace.
  
  The little shitty cowards came after him in numbers.
  
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  December 12, 2022 8:00pm
- Ghost
  
  A good update
  
  A man has been arrested after a father of four was left fighting for his life in hospital after being allegedly attacked and left on a roadside by a group of street racers.
  
  Mark Maclean was badly hurt on Friday night on the driveway of his home in Warkworth, north Auckland. He is now in hospital in an induced coma, in a critical but stable condition.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130735757/man-arrested-after-street-racer-assault-leaves-father-of-four-in-coma
  
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  December 12, 2022 10:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It’s impossible to get past the fact that the whole climate change panic fest is nothing more than the next socialist excuse for taking the wealth of those who have worked for it and giving it to those that haven’t.
Nothing changes.
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December 12, 2022 1:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From Facebook.
After every flight, UPS pilots fill out a form, called a “gripe sheet” which tells mechanics about problems with the aircraft. The mechanics correct the problems, document their repairs on the form, then pilots review the gripe sheets before the next flight.
Never let it be said that ground crews lack a sense of humor. Here are actual maintenance complaints submitted by UPS pilots (“P”) and solutions recorded (“S”) by maintenance engineers:
P: Left inside main tire almost needs replacement.
S: Almost replaced left inside main tire.
P: Test flight OK, except auto-land very rough.
S: Auto-land not installed on this aircraft.
P: Something loose in cockpit
S: Something tightened in cockpit
P: Dead bugs on windshield.
S: Live bugs on back-order.
P: Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200 feet per minute descent
S: Cannot reproduce problem on ground.
P: Evidence of leak on right main landing gear.
S: Evidence removed.
P: DME volume unbelievably loud.
S: DME volume set to more believable level.
P: Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick.
S: That’s what friction locks are for.
P: IFF inoperative in OFF mode.
S: IFF always inoperative in OFF mode.
P: Suspected crack in windshield.
S: Suspect you’re right.
P: Number 3 engine missing.
S: Engine found on right wing after brief search.
P: Aircraft handles funny.
S: Aircraft warned to: straighten up, fly right, and be serious.
P: Target radar hums.
S: Reprogrammed target radar with lyrics.
P: Mouse in cockpit.
S: Cat installed.
P: Noise coming from under instrument panel. Sounds like a midget pounding on something with a hammer.
S: Took hammer away from midget
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December 12, 2022 1:28pm
- Ehlana
  
  Thanks for the laughs.
  
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  December 12, 2022 3:22pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  That has given me a belly laugh! Thanks Steve
  
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  December 12, 2022 6:33pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

A Taiwanese research organisation called DoubleThink Labs has launched a database of countries most influenced by China. NZ comes in at 26th out of 83.

Interesting reading.

https://China-index.io
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December 12, 2022 1:32pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Under leaders such as Shipley, Clark and Key, NZ became touted by the Chinese as a model partner in its ‘united front’ activities.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:44pm
cmm

After we all annoyed her in Hamilton on the week end, I wonder whether Cindy’s going to punish us with a Covid Christmas?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-outbreak-ministry-of-health-set-to-release-latest-case-figures-as-expert-urges-more-mask-wearing-in-the-lead-up-to-christmas/WFRDQBLFQJC2TAE5JG5EGGOKRA/
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December 12, 2022 1:55pm
- Ghost
  
  The 4pm stand up should be interesting to see how many ~~corrupt~~ journalists ignore the loss.
  
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  December 12, 2022 2:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More fear porn.
Jaspinda is desperate to get back the control she had.
Unpredictable, anything could happen. She is in a bad bad mood atm. More than usual.
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December 12, 2022 1:58pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  “Does anyone want to ask me about monkey pox?”
  
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  December 12, 2022 3:50pm
cmm

I see there are some people in Ashburton whinging that the council hasn’t made them a perfect disc-golf course.

It makes me wonder: what happened to the old way of doing things? Have a working bee!

People just don’t seem to do things for themselves. Just expect the council/government to do it, then wonder why their rates/taxes go up!

Smaller country towns, and rural type organisations, still seem to be a bit better at this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/300762808/call-for-flatter-fairways-for-disc-golf
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December 12, 2022 2:04pm
- Ehlana
  
  Sounds like it is Council owned property and anyone who tried to fill in the holes themselves would probably be prosecuted for something.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Working bees went out of fashion about the same time it was realized that the ‘community trusts’ funded everything that the ‘better’ suburbs wanted for their clubs, etcetera, at the expense of the residents of the suburbs who use (are used by?) poker machines.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:40pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Not so fast on the poker machine thing mike. I’ve always been a firm believer that a fool and their money are soon parted. There is no way to stop the fools from being stupid. Labour have tried to legislate away their stupidity, but it never works, stupid wins, every time.
    
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    December 12, 2022 6:31pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      It’s pretty well established that many sports clubs no longer do much fundraising that involves time or labour. Why would you, when an application to the pokie trusts nets you all the cash you need?
      Doesn’t matter what you call it: a tax on stupidity, or a tax on addicts, or a tax on poorer areas.
      
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      December 12, 2022 7:11pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Stupid, every time. Matches Cipolla’s laws of stupidity perfectly.
        
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        December 13, 2022 4:17pm
Maggie Pie

I’m your Secret-Santa.
What are you going to buy me?

😛 😛 😛
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December 12, 2022 2:06pm
- Ghost
  
  A Mahuta doll with a Wind-up Cindy
  
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  December 12, 2022 2:34pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    With pins???
    
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    December 12, 2022 2:36pm
    - Ghost
      
      Do we really want to leave sharp objects around Maggie?
      
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      December 12, 2022 2:45pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Maggie is a sharp object.
        
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        December 12, 2022 3:30pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  [Mod- no need for that]
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:49pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Sorry, I meant a voucher for 10 spa 0r sauna visits at the Otahuhu pool – would save her $6 and be perfect for relaxation after the night-fill shift at Fresh Choice.
    
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    December 12, 2022 5:35pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Oh, mikenmildagain, I’m so glad you’re back. Kiwiblog is fun again!
      
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      December 12, 2022 7:15pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        [Mod – *shivers*, no one wants that mental image maggie]
        
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        December 12, 2022 8:25pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Maggie!
        
        Did you say something not-very-nice about me?
        
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        December 12, 2022 9:02pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        NO – not about you silly!
        
        All I said was… I’ve had funnier migraines than milkey 😀
        
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        December 12, 2022 9:18pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Hmm, well, alright, okay, I’ll let it slide this time.
        
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        December 12, 2022 9:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “I’ll let it slide this time”
        Someone is full of themselves.
        I’m pretty sure that most of us don’t care about your hurty feelings
        And for those upticking his comment about missing Mikey- he’s serious.
        Yes, that sad!
        Another Incel
        
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        December 12, 2022 9:45pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        All_on_Red suffers from a particularly noteworthy case of psychological projection.
        
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        December 13, 2022 5:32am
Alan Wilkinson

An interesting debate here – when does providing a service become speech and advocating a cause:
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/supreme-court-about-to-rule-on-right-to-conscience/
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December 12, 2022 2:44pm
Maggie Pie

From the YOU COULDN’T MAKE THIS SH*T UP FILE….

Motorists are STILL experiencing wet-tar and stones sticking to their vehicles as they travel at 10km per hour along SHI thru the Dome Valley 🙁

And this snippet from the NZ Herald:

‘Waka Kotahi Regional Manager Tamaki Makaurau me Te Tai Tokerau, Jack Hori-Hoult said…..’

LOL!!
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December 12, 2022 3:29pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Wet tar epitomises that lot.
  
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  December 12, 2022 3:34pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Regional Manager Tāmaki Makaurau me Te Tai Tokerau, maintenance and operations, Jacqui Hori-Hoult said the priority now was to manage traffic to ensure it was safe for motorists to travel through before permanent repairs are carried out. “Severe thunderstorms in the area have meant that the remedial works to replace the chip seal site with asphalt will now take place on Monday. We will be doing what we can to minimise frustration and help people prepare by sharing information about what they can expect in advance of any works.”
  
  How reassuring.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:26pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    What we normally expect in advance of or instead of any works is half a tonne of b.s. Basically that is what this Dome Valley upgrade is – a finger in the dyke while they procrastinate with extending the motorway to Wellsford.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:36pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go “hmmm”

The poor little bubby looks scared and under-nourished 🙁

And what on earth is the cable his ‘mothers’ holding attached to?
I suspect it may just be a camera remote-control thing perhaps…..

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1602067550820569090
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December 12, 2022 4:07pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Right on all counts, Maggie. I’m guessing a photo of when my baby son spilt hot tea on me in bed wouldn’t have looked anything like that.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:15pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, many wee babies have a look like that, almost a tiny monkey face. Other than that a kind of meaningless picture.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:18pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Neither are happy. One is posturing, the other is postured. Whoever thought it was a good idea has a screw loose.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:58pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Looks like a bloke with a wig on – no boobs and a hairy chest. Fake.
      
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      December 12, 2022 5:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I just watched a brilliant exchange between Tucker Carlson and James Woods.
This is going places.
https://libertyonenews.com/actor-james-woods-agrees-to-be-musks-lead-plaintiff-against-twitter/
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December 12, 2022 4:14pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, my wife is an avid MSM consumer on her mobile and every day I ask has she seen anything on the Twitter files. Nothing, zilch.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is Liberty One News. So just watch Tucker Carlson.
    There is no link to Twitter files – it is just mentioned.
    
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    December 12, 2022 6:07pm
cmm

I can’t bring myself to watch the Cindy Show, but I am still a bit curious as to how the Green List for more immigration workers works.

What we really need is a clear, and fast, path to permanent residence and then citizenship for high quality individuals.

It’s one thing treating fruit pickers and waiters with zero alternatives poorly – they will come anyway – and the bros on the couch could replace them.

But you can’t do that with top-shelf people like engineers, medical staff and such. There is an international shortage of them and they have options. Bugger them around and they’ll go somewhere else.
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December 12, 2022 4:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If Ozzie really is going to fast-track NZers to residency/citizenship, then there’ll be floods of our young professionals and tradies heading across the Tasman next year.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If I was younger, I would have packed up and moved to OZ.
  Now at 70, I have a wealth of information that I cannot pass on.
  I worked for a firm that made trailers, 49 years of making trailers, but my other experience goes from reconditioning short block motors, setting toe and heal in differentials, recon auto gearboxes, then over to workshop machinery.
  Set up new tools in a 135 ton press brake, setting new blades in a hydraulic metalworker. Then there is electrics. I wire 3 phase stuff; I understand what is needed.
  Never mind, I wish I was 40.
  Sorry, moaning rant over.
  
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  December 12, 2022 4:47pm
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO… The mines in Aussie would have loved you on their workforce.
    
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    December 12, 2022 4:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jack of all trades, master of none. You would not believe the shit I have done.
      1959 Holden. Laying in a puddle in the carport, taking out a gearbox to do the clutch.
      All just to get to work on Monday. That job was a bitch. This was 1972.
      
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      December 12, 2022 5:00pm
      - kevn
        
        @SteveO… I also had a 59 Holden, FC. But it had a 350 and bullet proof top-loader box. Non power assist rack and pinion steering. Guy I sold the car to couldn’t manage it and wrote it off.
        
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        December 12, 2022 6:34pm
  - mogg
    
    1969/70 I worked in Port Hedland, Friday and Saturday nights in the Pier and Esplanade Hotels.
    Shit oh dear!
    
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    December 12, 2022 5:17pm
CAKE FACE1

The news seems to just gets worse and worse. It feels like the end of times…

I am weary watching Cindy gurning on interviews, with her fake emoting and phoney face pulling. Cindy is a complete fraud.

Does anyone still believe her fakery? Surely not…
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December 12, 2022 4:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Believe her fakery? Of course they do.
  She is stopping all those nasty capitalist people from gaining power of NZ.
  Surely not, and don’t call me Shirley.
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:03pm
mogg

Bryce Edwards is very interesting on The Platrorm https://youtu.be/x9E4O0azkP8
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December 12, 2022 4:51pm
- krazykiwi
  
  After Plunket’s utterly contemptuous ‘interview’ with Steve Kirsch I won’t be wasting my time with The Platform. I had high hopes, but alas Plunket has proven himself impervious to truth in respect of ‘vaccine’ safety, and worse, a peddler of the narrative nonsense that he so earnestly professed to fight against.
  
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  December 12, 2022 5:44pm
Alan Wilkinson

Now they are trying to walk back five years of immigration fuckups they will run smack into decades of housing fuckups. Happy days.
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December 12, 2022 4:53pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else find that guy Romaine Traverse @ 1ZB a pain-in-the-arse?

SHEESH!
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December 12, 2022 5:11pm
Warren

After putting Nurses and Doctors in a dangerous situation by being over worked and burn’t out Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister now wants to bring in these workers by giving them residency and be top of the world for these desperately needed Medical Staff.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-jacinda-ardern-fronts-post-cabinet-immigration-announcement-expected-miq-ombudsman-report/R2Z5SQEGJVC7FJYW2MRMTX3DVI/
This Government has refused to do this for over a year and now the polls have turned against them the have changed their ways. Another U-Turn from a Government out of their depth and no where to hide.
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December 12, 2022 5:44pm
kevn

@Warren… Then watch the new Medical staff all have accommodation problems and move on to Aussie.
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December 12, 2022 6:30pm
Ghost

Missing boy in Hamilton for anyone that lives there

Police are seeking help to find a 10-year-old boy who went missing in Hamilton on Monday afternoon.

Kelsey was last seen near Carlson Crescent in the suburb of Silverdale at about 4:40pm today, and both Waikato Police and Kelsey’s parents have concerns for his well-being.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/12/police-seek-help-after-10yo-goes-missing-in-hamilton-on-monday-afternoon.html
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December 12, 2022 6:36pm
cmm

I am curious: when did NZ become so anti high quality immigrants?

When I applied to move to NZ in 1992, there was a points system. Make it over the points threshold (easy for a 30 year old with a STEM degree) and you get a Permanent Residence Visa. The second the immigration wallah stamped my passport I was a Permanent Resident of NZ!

Somewhere between then and a few years back it turned into a shitshow where people seem to be actively discouraged from coming to NZ. Clueless.

If you want to attract the best, then you have to roll out the red carpet (even if it has a few moth holes in it). You can’t treat people like scum and make them line up at the tradesmen’s entrance.

I’m not saying engineers are better than fruit pickers, but the reality needs to be understood – engineers have more options. If you don’ show them some leg they won’t be attracted.
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December 12, 2022 6:36pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  New Zealand had relatively few immigrants in 1992. Over the next thirty years, though, this country has operated the largest planned immigration programme in the world. This was attractive to politicians while it generated headline GDP growth at the same time as the average skill level of new migrants was below the average skill level of people already here. Net GDP per capita has fallen fairly steadily, while the country lacks the infrastructure to cope adequately with the very fast population growth in the areas perceived to be most desirable.
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    That’s a good summary of NZ’s poorly designed immigration strategy, Milky. ✔️
    
    A large portion of “business immigrants” attracted proved to be:
    
    – middle-size entrepreneurs who had reached the enjoyment and relaxation stage of life; or
    
    – small business folk using restaurants, convenience stores and the like to negotiate business-visa entry entry.
    
    Most of the highly educated technical and engineering people sought proved to be folk using the student-visa racket to gain entry. Overwhelmingly, they became anything but tech workers.
    
    The people we need, such as doctors, nurses, maths teachers, techies, engineers, super-ambitious entrepreneurs, when they are prepared to take relaxed life style in return for lower wages, are scared off by our immigration bureaucracy.
    
    So we have put pressure on our infrastructure – such as the health, education and transport systems – without a fabled economic transformation.
    
    Regardless, most economic miracles come from within: e.g. Lee Kuan Yew’s Singapore, colonial Hong Kong, rebuilt Japan and Germany, China, and Vietnam.
    
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    December 12, 2022 10:03pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I’m not very convinced by the low quality immigrant story. First, we certainly took in a lot of well qualified South Africans. Second, the Indian and Chinese even when not qualified professionals are hard working, ambitious and value education for their children who do well. Third, productivity has been impacted by growth in bureaucracy, falling education standards, increasing regulation, excessive property prices and higher taxes.
      
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      December 12, 2022 10:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        I agree about those internal failures that Alan W. points out.
        
        Lower taxes are a good idea, but also reform within the tax system would help. A proper capital gains tax or property tax that most developed countries have should allow lower company tax, provided the income wasn’t hijacked for Government spendng.
        
        Reform of charities exemptions would also help. Other tribes are following Ngai Tahu into the company-tax free group charities registration for businesses. Ngai Tahu followed the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which runs its Sanitarium Health Food Company as a registered charity.
        
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        December 12, 2022 11:18pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        You might want to read a few of the ‘Croaking Cassandra’ columns (featured in DPF’s ‘Links’ on this page. He is very good on the reserve bank, immigration policy and long-term economic performance).
        
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        December 13, 2022 5:30am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It got really bad when Winston and Ardern took over. It was still reasonable till then. Labour came in promising to stop it and they did. Been malevolently, incompetently unhinged since.
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:18pm
Suze Wainwright

What’s interesting now is it seems like Ardern has to comment about everything Chris Luxon says – almost like she’s chasing him…
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December 12, 2022 6:42pm
Hugh Jarse

So we now have plastic particles raining from the skies over Auckland, sewage in the sea water there, pollution in most rivers and streams around the country apparently, a climate crisis and out of control crime around New Zealand. With all those environmental and social issues why would anyone want to come here, especially nurses and other medical staff, better to go to Australia which doesn’t have those issues it seems.
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December 12, 2022 6:44pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Hugh Jarse-
  I am sure the environmental degradation issues in Auckland can be easily explained away by:
  1. Past National governments actions/inactions.
  2. Auckland councils which have been dominated by the “far right.”
  3. River of Filth farmers everywhere, but especially those in the South Island.
  
  End of story.
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:14pm
Ghost

Government’s new sanctions on Iran security force members ‘disappointing’, assets should be frozen too – Iranian-Kiwi

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/government-s-new-sanctions-on-iran-security-force-members-disappointing-assets-should-be-frozen-too-iranian-kiwi.html

Ok travel bans are useless because as she says they won’t travel to New Zealand. I would think assets being frozen would be just as useless as I wouldn’t think they would have any here
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December 12, 2022 6:56pm
- cmm
  
  It’s all posturing, virtue signalling and feel good.
  The actual impact doesn’t really matter.
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:03pm
Warren

Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister can’t help herself as she has to lie or distort the fact everytime she fronts the podium to give a press conference.
Ardern said today the message to nurses
everywhere is ” we are the best place to live, work and play.”
We asked about the delay on getting nurses on the list, Ardern said the battle for skills was only going to increase and New Zealand needed to ” in front of the competition.”
She wouldn’t agree the Government got the settings wrong before , ” we’ve been asked to make it simpler, so we have we need to be as competitive as we can be.
If Chris Luxon had made this U– turn the media would calling for head but totally ignore the lies and deciet that our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern spews.
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December 12, 2022 7:01pm
Inthe09

Some of you may be interested to know the American Airlines 787 that arrives into Auckland from Dallas each morning is currently having to trek down to Christchurch and back – to get more fuel for the return trip….. Our fuel security really is paper thin.
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December 12, 2022 7:07pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Is it raiding the Deep Freeze store?
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:20pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  A strategic asset that the current Labour government didn’t have the foresight to realize.
  
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  December 12, 2022 7:32pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300762941/surfers-warned-skipper-not-to-launch-boat-before-it-capsized-at-manu-bay
Is there an annual prize in NZ for the most stupid person?
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December 12, 2022 7:24pm
Ghost

Shit

An emergency zone has been declared after multiple police officers were reportedly shot in Queensland on Monday afternoon.

Local media report they were attending a property in Wieambilla, in the Western Downs region west of Brisbane, after reports of a missing person – but when they arrived they came under heavy fire.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/12/emergency-zone-declared-after-multiple-police-officers-reportedly-shot-in-queensland.html
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