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Yvette

PM ‘all over the place’ on Three Waters entrenchment controversy – Lynch
Oh crap, it’s only Jenna Lynch

Anyway yesterday on Kiwiblog under “The irony is that Labour and Greens are the ones actually privatising water” there was –

So what you have is a real confidence trick. A Government that is de facto privatising Three Waters assets, while passing a law saying privatisation is wrong.

So kiwiblog host David Farrar wrote – “… what you have is a real confidence trick” – but I, respectfully, submit that the confidence trick is much deeper – but from a higher level…

Nanaia Mahuta’s younger sister Pipa Mahuta has been appointed Chair of the Maori Advisory Council to preside over the Water Regulator, Taumata Arowai – https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz – (no English name for obvious reasons) which will, with the right to write Mana o te Wai statements – preside over the “3 Waters” Four Regional Entities, where the 50 / 50 argument lies – with people outraged by this “co-governance” at this lower level, missing the “total governance” Pipa Mahuta and Co have from on high, at the top of the stack.
That is not some sort of 50 / 50 privatisation, but complete privatisation, once it all gets going …

So, some one tell me I am wrong
Please do, because I have raved on about this several times, and I am getting too old to waste life left on this type of shit if it is not worth it. So –
[1] Have I misunderstood the timing of this – care not to interfere with the enemy from completing a mess so you can take advantage at the right moment – Napoleon Bonaparte
[2] Yvette has got it all wrong
[3] She is to blame – for anything you feel like
(See how I have moved from “I” to “Yvette” to “she” to thrust the blame as far from the cot as I can)

So is it “co-governance” or “total governance”?
Tick away …
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December 7, 2022 8:01am
- All_on_Red
  
  You’re not wrong Yvette
  You are absolutely right
  Feel free to keep ranting
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:22am
- Nickc2
  
  Total. Unfortunately, that issue won’t be resolved before the vote.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:30am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  it’s co – government
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I am getting too old to waste life left on this type of shit
  
  We all know that this shit smells and the longer it hangs around the fouler it becomes.
  
  As the daughter of a dunny cleaner, I’m well aware that some folks crap all over the place and are incapable of cleaning up their own mess.
  
  You’re doing a great service to help rid us of Mahuta’s muck and mimi.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:40am
  - Random T Person
    
    Ugh another awful extended metaphor…not as bad as Tom’s stinker though!
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:42am
    - ISeeRed
      
      I’m dying to know what the mod censored.
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:04am
- cas
  
  I would like to see someone do an OIA request to see how much consideration the Three Mayor’s proposal got. There was very little time between them announcing and Govt charging on with the bill in the House.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t change. All is good.
  Kiwibloggers respect your knowledge.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:38am
- Justitia
  
  You are completely correct Yvette. The Te Mana O Te Wai directives can only be issued by Maori and are unbounded. This is 100 percent iwi control of all water in New Zealand including every farm pond and all coastal waters. Mahuta has inserted her sister into a key role to police the takeover. This is truly sub-Saharan stuff. New Zealand public life under Labour has become utterly corrupt.
  
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  December 7, 2022 11:27am
- fredonas
  
  Here’s a scenario that I haven’t heard being discussed: Nats and ACT win in 2023 and instead of dismantling 3 Waters and returning assets to local councils, they keep the bureaucracy in place, change the language of the legislation, show the indigenous “elites” the door and staff the governing bodies with their cronies. Taxpayers and ratepayers are still royally screwed and extorted, but the money flows into different pockets.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:43pm
  - Ghost
    
    National is committed to repealing and replacing Three Waters. National will keep local assets in local control, and we will protect community decision-making.
    
    National wholly supports smart solutions to tackle our long-term infrastructure challenges, but Labour’s plan is anything but a smart solution – it is a total takeover of community assets, and it must be abandoned.
    
    https://www.national.org.nz/stop-the-three-waters-asset-grab
    
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    December 7, 2022 12:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      @Ghost. That is why Labour and Jaspinda wanted ‘Entrenchment’
      But they needed an ‘out’, so that is where Eugenie Sage came in.
      So when it failed it is connected to the Greens, but Jaspinda and Labour work as a “team” Nobody is at fault………
      
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      December 7, 2022 4:55pm
    - fredonas
      
      Interesting. I thought that a reoccurring trope on this blog (and others) was that National campaign on repealing labour legislation and when they get voted into power, they comprehensively fail to repeal the labour policies they campaigned on. Obviously I am completely wrong. Silly me 🙂
      
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      December 7, 2022 5:34pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Bugger! I upticked you by mistake.
    
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    December 7, 2022 1:17pm
Warren

Clean up on aisle of Three Waters : Newshub understands Mahuta didn’t tell Labour of 60% pct entrenchment.
Wow now we have Labour trying to cover their tracks because of the results in the latest two polls that have canned them because of their mismanagement and blatant lies so is this one lie to cover another or is it desperation from Our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/three-waters-newshub-understands-nanaia-mahuta-didn-t-tell-labour-caucus-of-60-pct-entrenchment.html
Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is the Leader of the Government a equal to the CEO of any large Company so its her job to know what’s going on and if she doesn’t she shouldn’t be there, if a Company CEO had made a mistake like this he wouldn’t have a job , so Jacinda Ardern can’t help herself and has to play the blame game ever time she finds herself in trouble.
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December 7, 2022 8:01am
- Lexicon
  
  Such a great heading, Cleanup etc… And the comments on that story are damning.
  3W: Code Brown
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:24am
  - Kiwiguy
    
    I think a suitable edit is in order for that heading:
    “Code Brown in Aisle 3 Waters…”
    If you get my drift….
    
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    December 7, 2022 3:54pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  It was deliberate and wilful to try it on. Classic throwing the dead rat on the table, everyone looks at that while the 5 waters co governance continues to abrogate NZ ratepayers property rights.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:31am
- kowtow
  
  Sounds more like newshub covering Ardern’s tracks .
  
  PIJF buys a lot of “loyalty”.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:41am
- kujira
  
  exactly…..
  so PM you are either useless or a liar…..which is it?
  If you didn’t know …you are useless, and if you did you are a liar!
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:25am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Don’t trouble yourself with minor distinctions, Kujira. She’s both, any number of examples to confirm.
    
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    December 7, 2022 5:53pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Soooo, Mahuta throws Ardern under the bus. But the bus only damages Ardern a bit. And then Ardern and Labour throw Mahuta under the same bus with the resultant damage (funnily enough, for both parties) still to be determined. Oh boy! This is a doozy.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:55am
kiwikidsnz

If you can find the time, set aside an hour for this: if you don’t have an hour try to at least watch the last 10 minutes.

FULL INTERVIEW: Dr Jordan Peterson on COVID hysteria and the culture wars

Clinical psychologist, author and public intellectual Dr Jordan Peterson sits down with Sky News Australia host Rita Panahi for a wide-ranging exclusive interview which covers toxic femininity, climate change activism, Islam, Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter, COVID hysteria, the culture wars and how conservatives can fight back.

https://youtu.be/gfGOSpg9Pds
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December 7, 2022 8:01am
- Random T Person
  
  Excellent, excellent last 10 minutes. Thanks.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:26am
slightlyrighty

We are seeing something in the government we haven’t seen before.

Embarrassment.
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December 7, 2022 8:03am
- pdm
  
  Will shame be next SR.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:16am
Blackbob

This is what happens when you vote for watermelons https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/12/04/oxfordshire-council-to-trial-a-climate-lockdown-starting-2024/
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December 7, 2022 8:04am
- NZer In Exile
  
  I’m thinking people will snap and rebel en masse if delusional councils try this climate lock-down insanity.
  
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  December 7, 2022 4:24pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Tell me that this article was published on 1 April. It cannot surely be true.
  
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  December 7, 2022 5:57pm
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/prepare-for-climate-lockdowns-rogue-british-council-wants-to-strip-you-of-freedoms-and-everyday-liberties/video/71b628310f0285f653a23cd62d7fadf6
    
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    December 7, 2022 6:17pm
Southern Raider

Seven more ramraids in Auckland overnight

This week just gets better and better for Jacinda
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December 7, 2022 8:05am
- Scott
  
  Seven ram raids in one night is just terrible. Aren’t the police supposed to be pursuing these offenders? Think of the businesses that come to work this morning with their shops robbed and their front doors bashed in.
  This is just totally unacceptable.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:21am
  - Ghost
    
    If the offenders are gone by the time the police get there what do you expect the police to do?
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:27am
    - Random T Person
      
      Back in the day patrolling paddywagons were pretty good deterrents.
      
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      December 7, 2022 8:43am
      - Ghost
        
        Back in the days the police force wasn’t short staffed. There weren’t gangs of little shits stealing to order with stolen cars. Police are still out every night driving around, it until they are alerted of a crime there is no way to know where these little shits will hit
        
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        December 7, 2022 8:51am
      - kowtow
        
        Back in the day ,’policing by consent” ( Peel Principles) was about the consent of the law abiding majority .
        
        Now the consent has to come from the criminal minority .
        
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        December 7, 2022 11:39am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Kowtow don’t forget the batty feelz of the gravy-train class.
        
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        December 7, 2022 4:26pm
    - surfing
      
      We witnessed a store theft couple of years back while we were driving by. Owner came rushing out chasing the crim, we picked up the owner, called 111 while following the crim… they weren’t interested, said to file an insurance claim.
      
      Owner said it was the third or fourth time this guy had done it.
      
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      December 7, 2022 9:04am
      - Ghost
        
        I was picking up my shopping yesterday, two cop cars bringing out a shoplifter.
        
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        December 7, 2022 9:13am
      - pdm
        
        Ghost – a couple of weeks ago son in law saw 5 (FIVE) Police Cars at about 3pm picking up a drunk on Heretaunga Street West Hastings. Near Townsend St Grays Rd round a bouts for those that know Hastings.
        
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        December 7, 2022 10:19am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Kick in some doors. With a catch and release policy, a great many of the people involved, if not their peers and family, will be known.
      Need to put pressure on the people committing crime. Like truancy, the family needs to be held accountable in the case of youths.
      Make being a ram raider no longer ‘fun’.
      
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      December 7, 2022 9:47am
      - Ghost
        
        Kick in door? A judge wouldn’t give a warrant without evidence. Catch and release nothing to do with police. I’ve heard local police are pissed they catch someone and the courts do nothing.
        
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        December 7, 2022 10:03am
      - pdm
        
        I heard Megan Woods telling Mike Hosking that Labour are not soft on crime.
        
        My immediate thought – that is bullshit Megan Woods.
        
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        December 7, 2022 10:22am
    - Bridgenag
      
      One of the blokes at bowls knows a policeman who told him if they mention “Maori” they get disciplined and they have been told to go easy on Maori when they are pulled up for whatever crimes.
      
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      December 7, 2022 2:09pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But, but…
    Our Dear PM told us just 9 days back that ram raids were trending downwards…
    
    Ardern said ram raid numbers had declined to about 13 this month.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/479627/pm-jacinda-ardern-denies-government-soft-on-crime
    
    Do you think she’s living in a fantasy bubble?
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      ‘Ram raid numbers had declined in Waikikamukau’ was what she was meaning.
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:00am
    - nathie
      
      Perhaps she is (forgetting she is) treating the media and public like as if she is treating a child … “it’s ok, there are no baddies around, everything is ok”?
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:14am
      - GT Build
        
        Just don’t look under the bed
        
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        December 7, 2022 11:28am
    - pdm
      
      Maggy – crims must have heard her and are catching up on the shortfall.
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:23am
  - Roberta
    
    I witnessed a brazen thief steal a full cart load of groceries from the supermarket the other night, nobody could do anything to stop her ramming the cart outside in case they would be charged with assault. The thief wrangled the shopping trolley out the door, and up to the main road, where her friend immediately drove up and helped her load them all into the boot, and when they started tumbling out of the boot she started loading them into the back seat. 15 minutes I filmed and watched her get away with her crime. The supermarket called the police but even they knew they wouldn’t turn up. They apparently have 3-4 incidents like this per day. The police obviously have better things to to under Labour.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:30pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Don’t panic. Auckland is not having a crime crisis, these are just misunderstood yoof that have complex issues. //
  I adlibbed Cindy’s recent summaries.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:24am
  - cmm
    
    It’s not just Jafaland either.
    There have been 5 ram raids in the last 4 months within 100 metres of where my son lives (far from the crappiest part of town). 4 hits on the same dairy and one on a restaurant.
    
    It can’t be because they are hungry because nobody has ram raided a vege shop yet!
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:34am
    - Rusty
      
      @ cmm
      
      I might be wrong but these little buggers don’t seem to ram raid adult shops.
      
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      December 7, 2022 8:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They don’t like Peaches and Cream?
        
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        December 7, 2022 10:04am
      - kowtow
        
        Some wit elsewhere made the remark they don’t raid tinny houses either .
        
        “consequences”
        
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        December 7, 2022 11:40am
      - Ghost
        
        more than likely the gangs that run the tinny house also run the ram raids.
        
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        December 7, 2022 11:53am
- DeepBlue
  
  It was an announcement of an announcement. The Police are reviewing the persuit policy to come into force next year.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I wonder if the Police know about the 7 ramraids?
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:55am
- bjools
  
  Fog cannons????
  How about
  REAL CANNONS, triggered by a car hitting your front door?
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:51am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Raider bro – Seven ramraids in one night is within the acceptable limits for sheeple. As Cindy said, ramraids are slowing down, law and order situation is improving and cost of living is coming down. Sheeple are relaxing and enjoying summer.
  
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  December 7, 2022 4:28pm
cmm

Does anyone else out there get the feeling we’re being manipulated with a smokescreen over 3W?

If you believe the hoo-haa in the media then the big controversy is over the entrenchment clause. Who proposed it? Who made the “mistake”? Who is to “blame”? What did Cindy know?

But is that really the big issue?

Surely the bigger issues are:
* It’s no longer 3W, but now 5W and once they get their foot in the door 7 or 8W.
* Why the hell is there even 3W in the first place?

I think this business over the entrenchment is a very clever way of creating a strawman issue. Make it appear that all the controversy is over the entrenchment, then once the entrenchment clause is taken out everyone is happy that 5W is now acceptable and goes through.

National can claim a win but the real damage has been done. National will have got rid of the entrenchment hurdle, but will not remove 3W.

No people. It does not matter what colour the paint is on the tanks they are driving through our democracy. It doesn’t matter if the tanks are diesel or EV. What matters are the tanks themselves.

Don’t settle for a cleaned-up 3/5W.

The latest stuff article is beyond ridiculous. “Make no mistake, Labour knew it was passing controversial Three Waters entrenchment clause”… and Cindy was there! But, nobody is to blame, it was a group mistake and a team lie. Happens to everybody.

Sorry Thomas Manch – that defies any rational logic.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130665671/make-no-mistake-labour-knew-it-was-passing-controversial-three-waters-entrenchment-clause
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December 7, 2022 8:05am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Labour caucus knew exactly what they were doing and under the privacy protection of caucus they will not disclose who was ultimately responsible. But my money is on the biggest voices in the Māori caucus. This is plainly deceitful. Mistake my ass – the only mistake is they got caught out.
  Labour is untrustworthy and everything is trying to be rammed through under urgency before they lose the driver’s seat next year.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This is purely Jaspinda appeasing the Maori Elite heading to Co-Governance, then a Coup for a Maori takeover by the Elite Maori.
    Tell me I am wrong.
    http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:13am
- Tricati
  
  The real issue is the co-governance aspect, and in particular the, Te Mana o te Wai statements.
  I agree the entrenchment saga is a smoke screen to the issues mentioned above, and still no MSM seem to have the fortitude to tackle it.
  The irony is, through the introduction of the co-governance model, coupled with the Te Mana o te Wai statements, effective control (ownership) is ceded to Maori, so effectively privatized.
  Come on National, start questioning this publicly and stop giving Peters the room.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Correct. See http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:19am
- Colville
  
  Iwi want 3/5 waters as its the perfect cash cow. Own a life critical monopoly supply without having to worry about the delivery of service.
  Just clip the ticket for every drop.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:23am
  - Sacha
    
    Several times over my lifetime, there have been warnings that the next war would be over the ownership of water, as it was the essential resource for human life to continue.
    It looks like a bloodless coup happening here.
    We ARE world leaders after all!
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A while back I saw a 2 or 3 part series on water.
      Water will be owned and traded like oil is. Based in Europe I think.
      I found this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS8m59r-Zzc
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:35am
- Prince
  
  Nonetheless some interesting points made. McAnulty and Greg O’Connor don’t come out well. No Christmas cards from them this year Mr Manch.
  I particularly liked the description of McAnulty’s ‘rural affectation’. All hat no cattle.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:54am
- oldgolfer
  
  Yes, straw man issue, and also think real divisions in Labour caucus now showing. One day, someone will spill.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Someone will spill, then a book, then a movie.
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:09am
  - Flossie
    
    Didn’t Sharma give it his best shot?
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:57am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Sharma is nobody. Cindy crushed him super efficiently. He will be gone by Saturday dinner time.
      
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      December 7, 2022 4:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What did Cindy know?
  Well its not something she would necessarily be aware of.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did she know?
  Well the video shows her answer. 2.09 minutes of word soup waffle.
  She did NOT answer the question.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:18am
- Philview
  
  Many Kiwis aren’t that interested in politics but will have noted the current shambles. An article suggested that this will all be forgotten about after the holidays and Ardern can rewrite the script in 2023. I hope she can’t manipulate the country as easily as that next year.
  
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  December 7, 2022 11:15am
- Ruawai
  
  A bit like the RNZ TVNZ merger, there is no reason for 3 waters or the RNZ merger. Other than bad water once in Hastings most councils and private water providers do a good job providing clean potable water.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:56pm
  - Nickc2
    
    And the RNZ/TVNZ Merger will make more Maori and Pacifica content available Willie Jackson stated on the Q & A Program. What the fuck for ???
    
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    December 7, 2022 1:09pm
Matt Long

Yesterday I posted an article about Swiss plans to restrict charging of electric cars in their winter and suggested that CCP style Social Credit would mean where we can drive our EVs will be restricted. What comes into my inbox today;
Oxfordshire Council will restrict where people can drive in accordance with UN directions. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/12/04/oxfordshire-council-to-trial-a-climate-lockdown-starting-2024/
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December 7, 2022 8:07am
- Frank the tank
  
  All part of Klaus’ master plan.
  
  The restrictions won’t apply to the 1% or their enablers.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:14am
  - kowtow
    
    Comrade , the politbureau members had the best dachas outside Moscow , while the peasants toiled around them.
    
    Some things never change.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:45am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” That writer had a few clues.
      
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      December 7, 2022 9:03am
      - kowtow
        
        He saw it in action.
        
        It’s estimated that up to 10 % of the ,much vaunted by lefty luvvies , International Brigade casualties in Spain were executions by their own side . Suspicious of spies and traitors .
        
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        December 7, 2022 11:43am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes and this stuff will spread. Individual carbon budgets.
  
  There will be Green and Labour MPs here who think that Oxfordshire plan is a great idea. Julie Ann Genter, James Shaw. The new Wellington mayor.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:15am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Tory Whanau is on ZB Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills after the 10.00 a.m. news – in 10 minutes’ time.
    
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    December 7, 2022 9:56am
    - nathie
      
      No wonder most Wellingtonians vote left – they are treated to wokey Nick Mills rather than Kerre Woodham, who has callers ringing in tears describing how they are let down by Labour’s deceit and blundering (adding to the cost of living) and won’t be voting them again!
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:17am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Nick has only been doing his show since July 2021. While he maintains he is non-political, it has been clear from the start that he comes at life from a centre-right position.
        
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        December 7, 2022 11:28am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Those calling Woodham and crying are trolls planted by ACT.
        
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        December 7, 2022 4:34pm
- cmm
  
  I would be surprised if it stops there. Modern cars – particularly EVs – are knee deep in software and they are increasing looking at subscription services where you license various options and get to pay a monthly/annual license for various features.
  
  This marketing model is beneficial in that it creates a continuous revenue stream. It is also potentially beneficial to consumers because it allows the purchase price to be reduced.
  
  As governments get more pressured for assets to sell off, it is quite possible that lanes could be sold too.
  
  Want to drive faster than 120kph? That’s going to cost you $100 a month.
  Want that extra traction feature that helps in the snow? $50 per month.
  Want to use the special Tesla lane? $200/month or $1/10km pay as you go.
  
  It is really easy to see them linking these back to social credits etc. Not enough social credit? You’re limited to 2 charges a month and a maximum of 80kph.
  
  All these things are possible for cars, but they are already possible for all purchases etc.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:24am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Matt – and if you had suggested such a thing a year or so ago you would have been ridiculed by all and sundry as a raving, foil hat wearing nutbar. For some reason all of those useful idiot trolls seem to have gone back under their bridges as they were told to do many times. It’s a shame, it was an endless source of fun taking the piss out of them and showing them up as the idiots they are.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:01am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  On 30 July 1979 this sort of thing ( combating a localised shortage of the source energy propellant) was called Carless days in NZ. Don’t think anythings changed much in 40 odd years. Didn’t work then, won’t work now!
  
  “Carless days for motor vehicles were introduced to combat the second ‘oil shock’ (petrol shortage) of the 1970s. They did little to reduce consumption and were scrapped in May 1980.”
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/carless-days-introduced
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:08am
- Pavel
  
  I wouldn’t fear any of this. Europe has so many Muslims and third worlders it won’t be long until they spark a civil war and put these politicians back in their boxes and severely clip their wings. WW2 was fought to reduce government over reach and WW3 will be no different. In a globalized and connected world these despots will have nowhere to run. The Great reset will cleanse the world of them.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:51am
- Deane Jessep
  
  Even though I risk using Sci-Fi to come across hyperbolic. It’s worth comparing these policies to the very good (though canceled early) TV Show The Colony:
  
  https://m.imdb.com/title/tt4209256/
  
  After I enjoyed watching it, I was disappointed to find out it was cancelled before being finished. A Reddit thread I found indicated that based on draft scripts, if it was allowed to go one more season it would have revealed a technologically advanced Unipolar government was behind everything. Not Aliens as is shown to begin with.
  
  Either way, it’s a master class in segregation, propaganda, control, and global government collaboration. Well worth a watch.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:11am
- Ruawai
  
  They must have got that idea from AT. Shut down roads for pedestrians and cyclists.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:58pm
Benedict Yu

Isn’t 4 years a long time?

Remember that 2019 was going to be the “year of deliver”? 🤡🤥

It is quite striking how much younger Jacinda looks in this video clip.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/01/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-outlines-2019-as-year-of-delivery-for-government.html

There comes a time when people who are failing realise they are never going to succeed. If the polls continue to show Labour in the 20s, and possibly in the low to mid 20s, I think it is more likely than not that she will bail.
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December 7, 2022 8:07am
- cmm
  
  She certainly doesn’t look “youth adjacent” any more.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:12am
  - Taieri
    
    All due to the burden of being the Crime Minister…
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:59am
- Frank the tank
  
  In fairness Ben have a look at before and afters of both Key and Obama.
  
  It’s a common trait of political leaders.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes fair point.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:40am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes Frank the tank. Key aged like 20 years in 9 years.
    
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    December 7, 2022 4:40pm
- Liberty
  
  Interesting poll numbers
  
  Roy Morgan 6/12/22 Labour 25.5
  Roy Morgan 22/11/20 National 25.5
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_New_Zealand_general_election
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:39am
- Flossie
  
  Four years is indeed a long time. Don’t we vote next election to have a three or four year term, the latter with a fixed election date?
  I had thought that four years etc would be good, but after the last two I think I’ll change my mind. The next year stretches out interminably for me.
  
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  December 7, 2022 11:01am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Flossie – You haven’t seen the real Labour gummit in action yet.
    
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    December 7, 2022 4:43pm
Flossie

I wonder if it would be a good idea to make a rule/law that unless an MP is in parliament by virtue of winning an electorate seat then they cannot be a Minister in government. I’m thinking Andrew Little and James Shaw in particular.
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December 7, 2022 8:08am
- cmm
  
  There have been some excellent list-only MPs. Steven Joyce for one.
  
  If anything, I would maybe flip that around. Only List MPs can become Ministers. That way, the electoral MPs get to focus on representing their electorates (as they should) and the List MPs get to take other roles.
  
  But the best is no restrictions. I’d rather not put up impediments to getting the best person into the job.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t think it is practical or even desirable. In some governments there would not be enough competent electoral seat MPs to make up a cabinet.
  
  In the last national government Bill English was a list MP. In the current government, David Clark is an electorate MP. So is Poto Williams. See the problem?
  
  The problem lies with MMP itself. I would like to see some form of ‘primary election’ where voters get to decide the make up of the Party lists.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:31am
  - Flossie
    
    Yes I see
    
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    December 7, 2022 9:00am
  - Steve Todd
    
    MMP is a Party List proportional representation electoral system. The parties decide who will be on their lists, and in what order.
    
    If you want “some form of ‘primary election’ where voters get to decide the make up of the Party lists”, then you want STV in multimember electorates.
    
    Under STV, the parties would put up a couple more candidates than they hope to elect, and the voters would decide, collectively, which candidates will be elected. A primary election and a general election, all in one!
    
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    December 7, 2022 9:20am
    - Ehlana
      
      I think there is a lot to be said for letting voters choose all the people who get into Parliament and requiring all those people to put themselves personally before an electorate.
      
      Some form of preference voting would put all the power in the hands of voters, and the responsibility for making the compromises they want (if I can’t have my first choice candidate, who is my second?). Many people will have a centre-left or right first preference, it would be interesting to know if their second choice would be someone further left or right, or the other side of the centre.
      
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      December 7, 2022 9:31am
      - Ian Boag
        
        That would write off pretty much all the Green MPs and pretty much all the ACT ones. Go back to the good ole FPP days when – at their peak – Social Credit gave 20% a fright as their vote share and got – at their peak – 2 MPs. Then there was 1984 where Bob Jones’s NZ Party got north of 10% and zero MPs.
        
        40% of the popular vote delivered 60% of the parliamentary seats. Why not bring back the country quota while we are at it?
        
        If that’s what you want, it’s a free country.
        
        Personally I prefer a situation where pretty much every vote counts ….
        
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        December 7, 2022 9:55am
      - Chris2
        
        A Party’s List MP’s should be compiled AFTER the General Election, whereby the party’s unsucessfull electorate candidates are ranked according to the number of votes they personally received for the electorate they stood in, but failed to win.
        
        That way, even list MP’s can demonstrate some personal voter mandate to be in Parliament.
        
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        December 7, 2022 9:59am
      - Steve Todd
        
        @Ian Boag @ 9:55AM
        
        That would write off pretty much all the Green MPs and pretty much all the ACT ones.
        
        Not necessarily so, Ian. It depends on the form of STV adopted. I advocate for parliament to be elected by STV in large, multimember electorates. Voters would give preferences for the individual candidates and, if they so which, for one or more of the parties.
        
        The Party rankings would be used to fill out the voters’ candidate-preference rankings, ignoring candidates that have already been ranked higher. In this way, voters could express their individual preferences while still giving a complete preference order when the number of desired rankings is large.
        
        Under my system, about 93% of all votes cast, nationally, would contribute to the election of at least one candidate. It would ensure that the voters decide who is elected, not the parties, and that the best candidates of each party, in the collective opinion of the voters, are elected (including ACT and Green candidates).
        
        See https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2021/10/an_electoral_review.html/comment-page-1#comment-3039768, for more.
        
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        December 7, 2022 10:34am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Poto Williams is doing her best Benedict. That is all we can ask for.
    
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    December 7, 2022 4:44pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Absolutely not.
  
  One of the biggest problems in contemporary politics is that the personal qualities required to get elected in a popular vote (1, see below) – are quite different from, and often completely incompatible with, the qualities required to be a competent minister (2, see below).
  
  1) smile, wave, play with children, have a pretty young family, tell people what they want to hear, keep the media entertained with shiny new baubles every day, etc
  
  2) face up to hard cold reality, take difficult decisions, implement necessary but painful policies and keep grinding away at them, admit when something’s not working and be willing to change accordingly, etc
  
  So that’s actually a major upside of MMP – it enables parties to get into Parliament, people who are capable of actually doing the job.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:33am
Southern Raider

Chickens coming home to roost around fossil fuel decisions. As Labour decided that Marsden Point wasn’t critical national infrastructure and let it close NZ is now solely reliant on imported fuel

The independent report to MBIE two years ago clearly stated the risk to NZ of solely relying on imports and even had a scenario about out of specification or contaminated fuel

The latest shipment of aviation fuel has turned up contaminated and we are now looking at airlines being rationed fuel leading up to Xmas eg massive flight cancellations

Another great continuation of the captains call
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December 7, 2022 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The government let it close because oil = bad.
  
  The anti oil folk don’t comprehend what would happen to New Zealand if there was a critical disruption to petroleum imports. The economy and society would collapse. And yet this is a product that is literally hated by those who govern us, especially the PM.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    The anti oil folk don’t comprehend.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:50am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    “The government let it close because oil = bad.”
    
    Agree Benedict – but really more a case of the pragmatic reality that “nationalisation” wouldn’t have garnered them many votes,
    
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    December 7, 2022 9:25am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I suggest the government let it close because they didnt understand what was going on!
    
    Ie the Commercially owned facility said, its noteconomic to upgrade(needed) witha further 50 year lifespan when renewable energy will take over in 15 ? years. ie Governments next zero silly target.
    
    and said Commercial entity not as smart as the Owners of Tiwai point, ie get the gubmint to pay.
    
    BY, I think you attribute far too much intelligence in Government decisions….Think Capital gains tax, thing entrenchment etc etc
    
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    December 7, 2022 1:26pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Foregone conclusion.
  Really a when its going to happen rather than if?
  Do you have further info?
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:41am
- MCōs
  
  Keeping the refinery open would have required a subsidy from the government to no good purpose that was evident at the time.
  And we all know where the money would have come from. Increased fuel tax.
  The biggest disruption occurred when some fool put a hole in the jet fuel pipeline. How this compares, I don’t know.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:55am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Keeping the refinery open would have required a subsidy from the government to no good purpose that was evident at the time.”
    
    Probably. However subsidies can be justified if there is a public ‘externality’ that will not be delivered by a market. What would have been the subsidy required? We will never know. Meanwhile, this government wastes billions on ‘stuff’ and subsidised goods that should not be subsidised, like EVs.
    
    IIRC the Government was simply silent when told the refinery would close. Because oil is bad.
    
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    December 7, 2022 9:29am
  - RockyJ
    
    How does that work when the government takes such a big chunk out of petrol price as tax? Surely the government would be able to simply refund the tax take to the producer.
    
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    December 7, 2022 11:43am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    MCōs: “Keeping the refinery open would have required a subsidy from the government to no good purpose …”
    
    Let’s get out the magnifying glass.
    
    Oh look, it’s clown fingerprints at the scene, again:
    
    “A paper presented to cabinet in November 2021 by Energy Minister, Megan Woods, states this, and I quote – “There does not appear to be a clear case for maintaining refinery operations for fuel resilience reasons, except to address an exceptional ‘no fuel imports’ scenario. This is an unlikely scenario, but not entirely implausible, therefore *I believe the option of maintaining refinery capacity warrants an active decision by Government*”. ”
    
    and
    
    “Yet for the sake of around $400 million to buy the shares in the refining company, the Cabinet decided not to provide the country with an insurance policy, but to rely on the promises of the oil companies.”
    
    Source:
    https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/marsden-point-the-refinery-is-not-channel-infrastructures-or-the-governments-to-destroy/
    
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    December 7, 2022 1:59pm
- surfing
  
  This wasn’t pressed home by the media at all.
  
  Frightening that dire predictions are coming true….mastermariner posted this, should be a must watch for all New Zealanders!!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0QUor5H92w&t=3469s
  
  The woke lefties won’t be able to flit off to the islands for their summer break….maybe this will woke them up!
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:22am
Tony Stuart

How quickly the worm has turned. Please excuse the length of this extract, but it is necessary to cover off the involvement of a number of key players in the Three Waters entrenchment fiasco. Thomas Manch from Stuff reports:

A mistake has been made, but it’s nobody’s fault. Labour’s various non-explanations for how it voted through a constitutionally “dangerous” Three Waters clause simply don’t wash.

On Tuesday, the party finally resolved a shambles of its own making: voting through a clause into a Three Waters bill to “entrench” public ownership of water assets, by mandating any future law change could only occur with a 60% majority in Parliament, or public referendum.

For two weeks, Labour has slowly walked back the errant supermajority provision after it was spotted by constitutional law experts, acknowledging on Sunday that it made a “mistake”.

Supermajority requirements have previously only been set at 75% of Parliament and only for constitutional matters such as the voting age, sparking alarm that a new, constitutionally-changing precedent was being set.

But who made the mistake? The answer remains as murky as the dirty, discoloured water that periodically emerges from taps around the country (an actual problem Three Waters reforms are supposed to remedy).

“We’re looking to fix this issue this week. Upon further advice, it’s a mistake that we collectively own,” Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta said on Tuesday morning, echoing party leader Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.

Exploiting the “confidentiality” of party caucus discussions, Ardern has set the tone by refusing to detail how the mistake occurred, leaving only questions and no-one taking the blame.

Did Labour MPs knowingly override the advice of their own attorney-general? Did Mahuta properly brief her colleagues? Did they simply screw up as they rushed to pass law under urgency?

Ardern has said she did not know about the vote on the clause until after it occurred, despite being in a caucus meeting where it as discussed.

Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta may have failed to properly inform her colleagues, or understand, what exactly Labour was being asked to vote on by the Greens when it proposed the entrenchment of public water assets.

Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta may have failed to properly inform her colleagues, or understand, what exactly Labour was being asked to vote on by the Greens when it proposed the entrenchment of public water assets.

Mahuta, in her first public appearance since the saga began, kept returning to the fact it was a Green Party supplementary order paper that proposed the “novel” entrenchment, as if fault lay there.

Never mind that she had discussed it with the Greens, discussed it with Labour’s caucus “broadly”, spoke in seeming support of it on the night, and Labour voted it through.

Labour’s leader of the House, Chris Hipkins, said nothing more than “sometimes mistakes happen” and he was not aware a 60% supermajority threshold was even being voted on.

Attorney-General David Parker has emerged as a dissenting Labour voice, indicating he advised against an entrenchment clause and he was not alone within Labour in doing so.

“I have been consistent throughout this … entrenchments should be not used in pursuit of policy propositions,” he said.

He said he “wasn’t aware of the detail of the supplementary order paper vote until it occurred”. But he also suggested a question about whether MPs were not properly briefed had “the wrong end of the stick”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130665671/make-no-mistake-labour-knew-it-was-passing-controversial-three-waters-entrenchment-clause

Manch’s piece appears under the headline Make no mistake, Labour knew it was passing controversial Three Waters entrenchment clause. It really is a condemnation of the missteps, mistakes and Machiavellian manoeuvres by Labour Ministers in the last few weeks. But most remarkable is that it has been published in Stuff, cheerleaders-in-chief for the Ardern government.

The Prime Minister was on the defensive yesterday as both Christopher Luxon and David Seymour grilled her over the entrenchment clustershambles. Her government is in chaos, cracks are appearing, and the PM’s mood will not be helped by two public polls which show that between 20 and 30 of her MP’s will be unemployed come the General Election next year.
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December 7, 2022 8:12am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Cindy will be gagging for another few overseas visits shortly just to escape this clusterf**k of a govt.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:16am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Probably no more this year. She will be thankful for the New Zealand tradition of the nation shutting down for 5 weeks from about 20 December.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think you’ll discover Ardern will shut down from next week (when Parliament goes into recess) until the first week of February. – at least 8 weeks.
      
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      December 7, 2022 8:59am
      - rockape
        
        You may find in the vacant media space that allows that Luxon tries to dominate the headlines by releasing selective policies. Getting the Government Ministers to turn up for the media to discus Nationals policies would be a win.
        
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        December 7, 2022 10:07am
      - kowtow
        
        With all the crises and emergencies floating about you’d think they couldn’t afford to goof off for so long .
        
        Didn’t they do the same during the so called covid emergency .
        
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        December 7, 2022 1:03pm
    - cmm
      
      Who the hell gets to shut down for 5 weeks? Tax consumers maybe, productive taxpayers certainly not.
      
      No doubt KO managers will be working hard the next few weeks.
      
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      December 7, 2022 9:37am
    - Sacha
      
      -and then she’ll take her 4 weeks annual leave!
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:23am
    - pdm
      
      BY – is the Nation shutting down or just the Government.
      
      Just the Government I think and particularly thisGovernment.
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:27am
    - Alwynn
      
      “no more this year”?
      Really? I assumed that she must be heading off overseas when Parliament rises today.
      After all Air Force 1 was parked outside the RNZAF hanger at Wellington Airport yesterday which usually means she is off on a jaunt to somewhere warm and free of New Zealand critics of the Government.
      
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      December 7, 2022 2:51pm
  - surfing
    
    She closed Marsden point, now we’re getting off-grade jet fuel as predicted.
    
    She’s not going anywhere!
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:32am
    - MCōs
      
      The government didn’t own the Marsden Point Refinery. It wasn’t their’s to close.
      The facilities up were built by the government in the 60s, expanded under Think Big and privatized by the Lange Government.
      It is now owned by the New Zealand Refining Company Limited which is a consortium of a number of fuel companies.
      They decided it was more economical to close it so they did. (Simplified version)
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:47am
      - Jack5
        
        In April, New Zealand Refining Company changed its name to Channel Infrastructure NZ.
        
        The main shareholders are Mobil Petroleum of Delaware, Ampol’s Z Energy, and BP NZ.
        
        Crude oil imports ended when the Marsden Point refinery closed in April.
        
        We are now dependent on refined oil products (such as petrol, diesel, aviation fuel) from Singapore, South Korea, and Malaysia.
        
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        December 7, 2022 8:57pm
  - Paulus
    
    She will stay in as long as she can get to King Charles’s Coronation so she can show off, but not to us.
    
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    December 7, 2022 2:06pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Harry Knuts: “Cindy will be gagging for another few overseas visits shortly just to escape this clusterf**k of a govt”
    
    Um, that would be HER very own CF of a govt!!!
    
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    December 7, 2022 3:16pm
- Tricati
  
  Also Stuff’s article questioning the effectiveness of Labours Childcare Subsidies – Is the worm turning?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/130647386/the-whole-truth-childcare-subsidies-wont-help-most-parents-with-young-children
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:33am
- nathie
  
  Stand by for more gaslighting by you know who!
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:43am
- Yvette
  
  Three Waters: David Parker unaware party would support Greens’ entrenchment clause, Labour dodges questions
  Senior Labour minister David Parker was unaware his party was going to vote in favour of a controversial 60 percent entrenchment clause in the Three Waters legislation proposed by the Green Party.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/three-waters-david-parker-unaware-party-would-support-greens-entrenchment-clause.html
  
  David Parker following the Party line of blaming the Greens although Eugene Sage had “negotiations” with Nanaia Mahuta
  
  But –
  
  ■ Environment Minister David Parker has brushed aside a suggestion from the Waitangi Tribunal that the Government move to put co-governance measures into the replacement for the Resource Management Act.
  Legislation on the reforms is due in October, and Parker said the Government’s plan was not to include co-governance requirements in the bill.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/no-co-governance-in-rma-reforms-environment-minister-david-parker/LNOQLO6F3AYU6EQWV4PBO6QAJ4/
  
  ■ Fran O’Sullivan: David Parker pushes back against co-governance
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/fran-osullivan-david-parker-pushes-back-against-co-governance/JYKLY5CFZJHSPPMTOE6VGLFZJY/
  
  ■ Parker rejects co-governance
  Environment Minister David Parker has rejected a call from the Maori Council and a number of big iwi to introduce co-governance into the new resource management system.
  https://www.politik.co.nz/parker-rejects-co-governance/
  
  Is David Parker “the weakest link” (well, from Nanaia Mahuta’s point of view) or a glimmer of hope?
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:55am
  - pdm
    
    Unusual for Parker to show up as the brightest in the Labour Caucus and Cabinet.
    
    Mind you the rest have proved to be pretty thick.
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:29am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Wonder how long before he finds himself under the bus!
      
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      December 7, 2022 3:22pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Exploiting the “confidentiality” of party caucus discussions, Ardern has set the tone by refusing to detail how the mistake occurred, leaving only questions and no-one taking the blame’
  
  Where’s the ‘open and transparent” promise gone.
  
  Just another lying politician.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:12am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Good to see David Parker attempts to pull back his party from its anti-democratic tendencies again.
  He seems to be someone with principles which are about the best interests of society, unlike the purely selfish principles of the race-obsessed Maori caucus: IWI standing for “I Want It”.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:30pm
Maggie Pie

Is Cindy’s bark worse than her bite?

David Seymour ROCKS!

https://twitter.com/EerjkMcRaeOF/status/1599985406116007936
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December 7, 2022 8:13am
- Simon
  
  Govt by feelz. Where Ardern rejects questions because they don’t feel right.
  
  Where questions make Ardern uncomfortable the question itself is rejected or labelled as disinformation.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:18am
  - kowtow
    
    Major problem now is the fourth estate whose sacred duty is to hold power to account is donkey deep into her dis/mis information project.
    
    Democracy in peril , literally.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:52am
    - Paulus
      
      Fourth Estate will not change, but will get worse with a National Luxon led Government.
      
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      December 7, 2022 2:08pm
  - surfing
    
    This whole rejecting the premise / character of the question is just a joke now.
    
    Her media trainers need to up their game. People mock her when she uses this tactic and it is boringly predictable.
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:34am
- Frank the tank
  
  Unhinged would be the best description of the Prime Minister.
  
  Also – how refreshing is it to have a speaker of the house that allows honest debate.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    She is turning this mess into “National wants to privatise water”. That will be her 2023 catch cry. 🤥🤥
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:47am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Let’s all agree Cindy has been mostly factually incorrect for 5 years to the people of NZ as her job as the one source of truth. LOL
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:19am
- nathie
  
  Wow, is that the perfect example of her gaslighting? or lying?
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:45am
- NZer In Exile
  
  It was a tag team effort.
  
  Looked like Dear Leader was having a bad hair day. 😃
  
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  December 7, 2022 3:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The arrogance of Jacinda Ardern laid bare:

“Today in Parliamentary Question Time the Prime Minister confirmed that she feels no contrition for being the first Prime Minister in 168 years of Parliament to try and entrench her own policies…

“In 168 years, with all that has happened in New Zealand politics, no government has been arrogant enough to think its own policies are so important that they deserve the same protection as voting rights. It is extraordinary that the Prime Minister sees nothing wrong with this.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2212/S00050/first-government-in-168-years-arrogant-enough-to-entrench-policy.htm
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December 7, 2022 8:17am
- Yvette
  
  The arrogance of Jacinda Ardern laid bare:
  Like –
  
  Winston Peters – @winstonpeters
  It turns out not only did Eugenie Sage directly negotiate the Three Waters entrenchment amendment with Mahuta, the details of the amendment were outlined beforehand in the report from the select committee. As Sage has said – it shouldn’t have come as a surprise.
  
  Christopher Bishop – @cjsbishop
  PM says she realised entrenchment was a mistake when it was discussed at Cabinet on 28 November. So why did it take another a week before they decided to reverse their unconstitutional mistake?
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:14am
Paulus

With the impending Cabinet Shuffle will Ardern have the courage to move Mahuta. – Jackson yes, to Sepulone, but will moving Mahuta upset the delicate balance of the Maori Caucus’s control over the Cabinet.
From last weeks 5 Waters fiasco anything is possible.
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December 7, 2022 8:18am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The funny thing is that the best thing she could do is sack most of the cabinet and replace them with a bunch of random MPs from her huge backbench. They would probably go up in the polls.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:51am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Sorry Paulus, you have it the wrong way around. Should Mahuta remove Ardern? That is the question of relevance.
  
  A cabal of behind the scenes Maori leaders are making bullets for Mahuta and Jackson to fire. The two ministers are doing their bidding and they hold the balance of power by sticking together.
  
  Ardern suits their purpose. She is more presentable and articulate than any of the caucus which is not saying much though. Ardern knows she is being played and when she believes the time is right she will drop the pretence and head offshore.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:30am
Frank the tank

So the feckless rats in the MSM are finally acknowledging the worm has turned and are going feral on the PM and Labour.

And boy don’t the government MPs hate it.
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December 7, 2022 8:21am
- Harry Knuts
  
  55mil only gave them 3 years of bang for buck. Not a great ROI.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:57am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It won them an election. Worth it in their minds.
    
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    December 7, 2022 9:36am
- kowtow
  
  ”And boy don’t the government MPs hate it.”
  
  can you blame them
  
  The media put them there in the first place saying how amazeballs they all were , esp Cinders,and in turn the regime gave them tens of millions of our $ to reward and keep them on side.
  
  And this is how the media repay them .
  
  Bwahahahaa
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:04am
artemisia

Once expensive race-based or merely stupid unnecessary legislation is rushed through this term,what’s the chance a National led government will announce goneburger but first a review of costs of continuing or chopping. Followed by a business decision based on costs v benefits. Quite possible crazy high cost to chop short term, but leases and contracts expire as well as be cancelled.

Meantime new Ministers can adjust outcomes, performance management and some funding. Maybe a lot of each.
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December 7, 2022 8:26am
Paulus

Why with 187,000 people on Jobseeker Benefits why are there so many vacancies ?
On one hand we are hearing that Tourists are well back and then Restaurants and the like cannot find any staff.
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December 7, 2022 8:28am
- cmm
  
  How many of those people are capable of serving a customer and giving them an enjoyable experience?
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:47am
  - artemisia
    
    How many employers want them? Remember back in the day the long queue outside a new supermarket to apply for jobs? Some looked complete with bed heads and jimjams but needed the ‘no thanks’ paper for WINZ.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:51am
- Random T Person
  
  Those 187000 have been incentivised to stay home.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well, when people have low paid, crap service jobs, the one thing you shouldn’t do is make available a system of getting a week off work paid via the rort that is the covid test that is less than 50% accurate.
  Back in our day it was forging a note for your teacher to get out of some crappy school activity. The covid testing scam is next level.
  No wonder people take the piss out of it.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  It’s the new “green” economy . The one based on brain dead dope smokers . It’ll only get worse .
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:15am
- MCōs
  
  In any society there are people who avoid work.
  There are also other people who are in the wrong place or who are hanging out for the right job or illiterate or all sorts of reasons.
  I’m not making excuses for anyone, but that’s the way the world goes round.
  I know people in Thailand who can’t be arsed working and there’s no help from the government. They just bludge off the family and I haven’t met a mother yet who would let their kids starve.
  
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  December 7, 2022 4:55pm
Alex

Has the Roy Morgan poll been reported on MSM yet are thy dong a hidy-ho, cant face the bad news.
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December 7, 2022 8:34am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

My partner’s mum was saying…. the biggest-bore on radio Miles Davis, is leaving NewstalkZB to join TodayFM. Let’s hope all those incontinent old biddies follow him. Will raise the IQ of both stations.

LOL!!
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December 7, 2022 8:36am
- leoj
  
  Another Labour sycophant with a Pommie accent.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:36am
  - mandk
    
    It’s a faux Cockney accent, to boot.
    
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    December 7, 2022 11:13am
    - kowtow
      
      I believe some call it a “Mockney” bit like the cook Jamie Oliver .
      
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      December 7, 2022 3:44pm
      - mandk
        
        Jamie Oliver comes from a posh part of rural Essex, near Cambridge.
        
        His parents don’t speak like he does. Nor do the other people where he was brought up – not even the local kids.
        
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        December 7, 2022 4:35pm
Rusty

Are Nzers finally waking up to what Jacindas progressive politics is all about?

Socialism – Globalism – Wokeism- Elitism – Tribalism – Atheism

I could add more but that’s enough
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December 7, 2022 8:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I could happily go along with atheism, but its getting my head around all the gods that’s bothering me:
  
  Papatūānuku – The Earth Mother
  Ranginui – The Sky Father
  Tāne-mahuta – God of forests and birds
  Tāwhirimātea – God of weather
  Haumia-tiketike – God of uncultivated food
  Rongomātāne – God of cultivated plants
  Tangaroa – God of the sea
  Tūmatauenga – God of war and hunting
  Rūaumoko – God of earthquakes and underground forces
  Rehua – God of stars
  
  And I haven’t learnt any karakia yet.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:06am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Surely you have a pepeha ready to go though. Identify your rohe, river, mountain etc., 🙂
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:01am
    - nathie
      
      Although the modern intent is good, why is this still done universally nowadays? It’s not like it is pre-1840 when reciting your pepeha, when confronted by another tribe, was a matter of life or death?
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It does seem a bit superfluous..
        
        If I say I am from Whanganui…
        Nõ Whanganui ahau
        
        Then it is obvious that Whanganui is my river and Ruapehu is my mountain
        
        Ko Ruapehu te maunga
        Ko Whanganui te awa..
        
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        December 7, 2022 10:54am
  - Inandout
    
    Maggy:
    porowhita – Roundup
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Extraordinary .
    
    The secular socialists , so keen to rid us of Christian monotheism are now rapidly foisting pagan pantheism on our cowed , supine society.
    
    All the while conspiring to ensure any negative reaction will be labelled hateful or racist .
    
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    December 7, 2022 11:52am
    - Jack5
      
      Many of the Woke denigrate Christianity and its customs, but grovel before non-Christians.
      
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      December 7, 2022 9:02pm
  - rangitoto
    
    A hecatomb or two will always get much favour from the gods but I don’t have enough cattle at present. I will just pour a libation in honour of Pallas Athene instead.
    
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    December 7, 2022 1:26pm
Maggie Pie

There’s an old saying that over time, pets start to look like their owners.

Anyone else think Cindy is looking more and more like Klaus Schwab?

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1599523578701287424

Asking for a friend.
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December 7, 2022 9:18am
- Biscuit
  
  I am so disappointed in you, Maggie!
  
  Here you are, exhorting me, in my own time and having just put away a delightful chicken-and-corn-and-bits-of-bacon soup, to go look at a website that you imply contains pictures of one Jacinda Kate Ardern…
  
  I want my delightful chicken-and-corn-and-bits-of-bacon soup to exit my body by the normal method(s) within, say, the next 12 hours.
  
  NOT upchucked, violently, here and now…
  
  Shocking stuff!
  
  [No, that downtick to your comment ain’t mine, heh heh…]
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:11pm
- DeepBlue
  
  How does one’s face change shape so much? Is it not eating and you lose your cheek fat and jawline muscles?
  
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  December 7, 2022 1:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Maggie Pie

How was that TV programme on Len Brown?
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December 7, 2022 9:20am
- Maggie Pie
  
  TBH, if you weren’t aware of the background to the affair and what went down at the time, it would have probably been a bit hard to follow for a lot of people.
  
  Fortunately, my partner knew Luigi Wewege quite well, so had been able to provide some relevant commentary.
  
  But other than a few of his mates calling out…. “show us ya tits” and “get ya gear off”, I doubt they would have given it a sideways glance.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:35am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    sounds like d-grade porn movie to me, not even worth the look.
    mind you – Pants Down Brown affair was comical in its time s it was so tragic. Did he really think he would get away with it without people knowing. LOL
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:06am
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      He probably would have got slightly more respect by being upfront and sticking with Bevan instead of claiming that it was “a mistake” and running back to his wife
      
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      December 7, 2022 10:41am
      - Paulus
        
        From a personal Catholic viewpoint he could not get a divorce from his wife, as it is not allowed I believe.
        
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        December 7, 2022 2:14pm
      - MCōs
        
        You don’t think that maybe Miss Chuang might have had a say in the matter.
        
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        December 7, 2022 8:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I still don’t know what Bevan Chuang saw in him.
      That ‘burlesque’ stuff is quite pleasing to the eyes.
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:59am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I thought Cam Slater’s little cameo appearing as his himself was quite good.
        
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        December 7, 2022 12:24pm
  - MCōs
    
    Luigi and his boss Palino, as portrayed in the movie, chucked Chuang under the bus in an attempt to get Brown to resign.
    Didn’t work and he served his full term.
    
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    December 7, 2022 8:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The very quiet and understated Dr Shane Reti is such a class act when answering questions.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/labour-s-meka-whaitiri-and-national-s-shane-reti-go-head-to-head-over-cost-of-living-crisis.html
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December 7, 2022 9:28am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just a little too ‘quiet-and-understated’ for my liking.
  
  A lot of interest has gone out of watching parliament for me.
  
  I preferred the days when we had National MP’s like Jamie Ross and Sarah Dowie.
  
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  December 7, 2022 9:59am
- Its only I
  
  Interesting little digs from the interviewer.
  
  Subtle, maintenance of an established a theme, digs being tax brackets being for the top….. who… and the history of the hamilton candidate believes in co gov what….
  Considering the whole segment is funded by the journalism welfare scheme and they were unusually subtle digs shows the media may be turning?
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:30am
bennerg

I see that the world media has started to report on the case of the parents wanting to use blood from donors who have not had the experimental mRNA gene therapy which has been touted as a vaccine (but to quote Dr Bones from Star Trek, “but not as we know it Jim”).

I am watching to see the decision from the Court, as an indicator as to whether the Court / Justice system is complicit in the hegemony of governments over science, media, and involvement in our everyday life.

We have a family who have made a personal choice that may, in their view, affect the life of their child. We all make such decision, which school, which doctor, which system of morals and ethics / religion to bring them up in, etc. These are the rights we have in a free, democratic society. Of course not every one will agree with everyone else, but that is the very basis of diversity. (Diversity is not just about your preferred gender)

But these days we see a very topsy turvy world, where a request, very reasonable IMHO, and facilitated for the health professionals with many donors coming forward. But it appears that for the health professionals there is a danger, as in accepting the request, they may see it as having to accept a view on vaccination that is different to their mandated policy … ie the mRNA vaccines are safe.

The published research is now starting to show otherwise, and the political gerrymandering of the likes of Gates, Fauci, EcoAlliance, and of course the Chinese Lab, is slowly coming to light. But there is a delayed effect in the “chain of command” coming down the line, and so the NZ Blood Service hierarchy are having to defend the indefensible, well certainly in the light of true science, and rational thinking.

Meanwhile the justice system in sending to prison for Christmas someone who has a beef with their local council over a paperwork matter – no danger to anyone else, yet we see a 4 x rapist sentenced to home detention, and many more such decisions.

This sadly indicates to me that the justice system is not immune from the very real “virus” that has infected our government, and entities it controls. So I am not holding my breath. If the decision goes against the parents, I suspect this will give further cause for an uprising we have not seen the likes of.
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December 7, 2022 9:47am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Good point. Go against council and you go to prison. Commit heinous rape and you get home-D.
  I suspect the parents will lose unfortunately mainly for the reason the health system won’t want to create a selection process in the system of “would you like jabbed or un-jabbed blood” as everyone’s choice going forward.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They created the rod for their own back. They allowed this experimental shit to be injected into millions of people, even though the evidence was clear that it was not tested properly.
    All information emerging is proving that these parents are making the right choices.
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:36am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The silly thing is that if – for example – you know that in 6 months time you are having an operation that will need blood transfusion, you can have your own blood taken & stored for when you need it.
      What’s so different here ?
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:28am
- mandk
  
  The parents’ request seems reasonable to me.
  
  And I have heard no clinical reasons why it should not be granted. I just get the feeling the doctors and blood service couldn’t be bothered to do something that would actually be straightforward.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:23am
  - Rusty
    
    @ mandk
    
    The Jehovahs witnesses are anti-blood transfusions and the church of scientology are anti-vaccines. There are probably other religious groups who hold those beliefs as well.
    
    Not saying these parents belong to those groups but I did hear the father on the news last night quote/ paraphrase a scripture from the bible.
    
    This case is very interesting on many levels. Peoples right to choose/ religious convictions.
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:53am
    - Ghost
      
      I doubt it is religious grounds as the baby has already had a blood transfusion with the consent of the mother
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:01am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The parents are neither anti blood transfusion or anti vaccines. They want the blood transfusion, but they want it from a source they trust. Not from a source with the potential for their child to receive blood that may have negative side effects.
      We were lied to and gaslit regarding the vaccines being “safe and effective”. It is absolutely without doubt now that they were neither. Why would anyone then trust the same medical “experts” when they tell you that this blood is “safe”?
      
      Fool me once………
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:15am
      - rockape
        
        Well obviously if we have contaminated blood no one should be allowed to take it. Flush it down the funny and if you need a transfusion then suck it up.
        
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        December 7, 2022 12:26pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        rockape – very facetious, totally unhelpful in any way shape or form. Some blood might be, some might not. If you can find your own donor and are willing to pay the cost of getting that blood, why should that not be an option for anyone?
        
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        December 7, 2022 3:33pm
  - Ghost
    
    But in court, the Blood Service said if granted, this order could open the floodgates to anyone wanting to pick and choose where their donated blood came from.
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/130688402/whats-happening-in-the-case-of-the-baby-and-the-blood-donations
    
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    December 7, 2022 10:59am
    - mandk
      
      Well, they would say that, wouldn’t they?
      
      It underlines my point that the objections to the parents’ request are not clinical.
      
      The blood service’s attitude is a bit like saying that in-patients shouldn’t be allowed to request gluten-free or vegan food from the catering dept.
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:04am
      - Ghost
        
        Came across this story this morning
        
        Swiss naturopathic physician George Della Pietra believes people worldwide should be free to choose whether to get a COVID-19 vaccine injection or not.
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/nonprofit-blood-donation-service-starts-matching-unvaccinated-patients-donors
        
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        December 7, 2022 11:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      If you can arrange to supply your own blood and pay for any associated costs then it should be absolutely acceptable. The loss of trust in their products is entirely the responsibility of Ardern, the MoH and Medsafe, and of course the bevy of “experts” led by the idiot Michael Baker.
      It has been one of the great eye openers for me over the last 2 years. I now look at many of these once respected groups with a very critical eye. They have exposed themselves as very untrustworthy which is sad.
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:18am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Everything is about controlling the narrative for Ardern. This is why instructions will be passed to all involved that this challenge to her authority cannot be permitted.
  It is an absolute appalling and disgraceful act by the health professionals involved. The parents are NOT refusing medical treatment for the child, in fact, they are doing everything they can to make sure the best treatment possible is given. It is the government lackies who are dragging the chain for only one reason, it challenges their authority and it is a precedent for others who no longer trust the system.
  You reap what you sow, and if by any chance this judge fails make the right moral decision in this manner, let the parents supply the blood that will help their child, then all that will be achieved is an even greater loss in trust in our authorities and even greater societal break up and division.
  
  Ardern is truly the worst leader this country has ever had. Every single thing she has touched has turned to shit.
  
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  December 7, 2022 10:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is where I was heading with my 12.08 comment. One thing you should never do – challenge a Public Servant’s authority. They don’t like it and you will lose.
    My Brother in Australia is in the Justice side of things. Say the wrong thing and he just goes deadpan faced and you get nothing.
    
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    December 7, 2022 12:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Parents request is quite reasonable. They have 20+ unvaxed people who would give blood, but the stupid rule is you can not choose your donor.
  So if all of those people give blood and the Doctor just grabs one lot, then nobody will know who the donor is.
  Sometimes the answer is right in front of you. Looking like someone does not want themselves looking like an idiot – which they are.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:08pm
kevn

@Harry… MOH says, One size MUST fit all.
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December 7, 2022 10:37am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Anyone else sick of useless pricks demanding to keep you safe?
  
  That of course is why the Kaikoura cafe lady is in jail.
  
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  December 7, 2022 11:55am
  - Colville
    
    No she is in jail for disrespecting the Judge and process.
    
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    December 7, 2022 12:35pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Reportedly she was respectful in court towards the judge. She disrespected the bureaucracy.
      
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      December 7, 2022 1:16pm
      - Colville
        
        What I read said she didnt turn up twice?
        
        “The district court had previously found Rayner guilty of both charges at a hearing she did not attend, council said.
        
        The judge stated Rayner’s refusal to pay previous fines in relation to the case had been taken into consideration in the sentencing decision.””
        
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        December 7, 2022 2:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        In an August 26 judgment by Judge Quentin Hix, it was noted Rayner was summoned to court on May 27 on charges of selling non-complying food and failing to comply with the notice.
        
        Rayner didn’t show up. Police arrested her, and later that day she appeared in court where she claimed innocence on all matters.
        
        Judge Hix noted she initially refused to sign a bail bond, but eventually did and was released.
        
        On July 15 there was a case review, which she also did not attend. A date was set in August to go over the evidence. On that day, Judge Hix sent someone to find Rayner in person to make sure she knew her rights to engage with the court process. Rayner confirmed she did not want to participate.
        
        “That is unfortunate,” noted Judge Hix, who had overseen her earlier trial regarding the QR code.
        
        Instead of issuing another arrest warrant to force her participation, court proceeded in her absence and the judge found her guilty of the charges.
        
        From there, a sentencing hearing was scheduled for December 1. Rayner failed to show, resulting in another arrest. On December 2 she was sentenced to two months in prison.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/130672251/fivestar-coffee-one-day-behind-bars-the-next-whys-this-cafe-owner-in-jail
        
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        December 7, 2022 2:33pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        She didn’t disrespect the judge. She disrespected his game.
        
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        December 7, 2022 3:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    Those laws are there to protect the customers, so that people know a place is meeting the food standards, hygiene, etc. why should she get away with ignoring that? Should places that get the lowest possible rating do the same so customers have no idea how shit their businesses is and get sick?
    
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    December 7, 2022 2:28pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      That implies the laws are more important than the protection. There is no suggestion her cafe presented any threat to health. Instead we have what I described – idiots demanding to protect us. The country is full of them.
      
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      December 7, 2022 3:29pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It might as well be the mafia. At least they’re more honest and use threats of physical violence.
        
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        December 7, 2022 3:41pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Get a grip ffs. If you’re that much of a wowser then don’t go into places that don’t have their rating clearly displayed. You’ve never been to a bbq or sausage sizzle that didn’t have a “compliance” certificate?
      Food manufacturing, obviously, yes. If you’re scared then only go to places that have the required bullcrap. So many artisan bakers etc having to shut down because idiotic bureaucrats treat them the same as McDonalds or Fonterra with the same cost structures for compliance.
      
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      December 7, 2022 3:45pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Oh yes. Our local bakery with a lifetime of commercial cooking complained about some bureaucrat telling her how to cook a chicken. It’s all over the place everywhere. The road cone mentality. And the pharmacy that has to break a three month prescription into one month pieces tripling the work and costs to treat us like infants. Bloody madness everywhere.
        
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        December 7, 2022 4:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        When we had our Cafe the Chinese restaurant next to us would cut up the meat out the back of their shop on the concrete. Also knew of one Chinese place in Auckland that when their drain blocked up the plumber found it full of cat carcuses. I’ve seen places where the walk in chiller is broken, but they keep using it. Even been into a place I walked straight out of after seeing raw meat above cooked food dripping down into the cooked food in the chiller.
        
        If you think people will abide by good food handling practices etc without these regulations you’re stupid.
        
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        December 7, 2022 4:54pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @Ghost Those didn’t abide by them anyway.
        
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        December 7, 2022 5:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sharon Rayner would not be in jail if she was one of the special people.
    Her business will boom when she gets out – that’s if she has not gone bust.
    
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    December 8, 2022 10:24am
surfing

Here is the latest racist attack against urban Maori by Maori activists…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/is-there-more-to-being-maori-than-just-your-whakapapa/7L256T6R7FH2RNWE3T2NVKNMXQ/

“Embeddedness ” is the new requirement to be truly maori… as quoted. . .

“embeddedness which distinguishes a person’s alignment to Māori values, beliefs, practices and culture.”

Using this argument, he alludes that Simon Bridges and Paula Bennett are not really maori because they are not ’embedded’.

It would be good to see that only ’embedded’ maori can get their free medical degrees from Otago.

What next? A ‘slave’ maori class?
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December 7, 2022 11:02am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Fox, of course is a very embedded name.
  
  In answer to your ‘slave’class, well they did exist pre 1840.
  
  So this sort of tribalised, classist thinking certainly leans into that era.
  
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  December 7, 2022 11:13am
- kowtow
  
  The slave class already exists .
  
  Ordinary hard working tax paying New Zealnders .
  
  Enslaved by both parties to the new aristocracy , a race elite being legislated into undemocratic control over us.
  
  Slowly slowly , but surely.
  
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  December 7, 2022 11:55am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Stalin understood embedding very well. So did Mao. The CCP still does. To be a good Maori you must be a good communist and know your place as either subservient peasant or corrupt elite.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hang a bit of greenstone or bone around your neck, and you are Maori.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:19pm
- Swifty
  
  “If you don’t vote for me then you ain’t Black.”
  
  Joe Biden.
  
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  December 7, 2022 1:06pm
BeaB

Who even named it Three Waters? The same person who approved the equally juvenile and patronising ads that cost us a fortune, told us lies and gave us no useful information?
Why are we inundated with all this condescending tosh from government departments?
Are we all to be treated like stupid children?
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December 7, 2022 11:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Yes, they know nothing else. Their collective IQ is quoted as being a single digit.
  
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  December 7, 2022 11:16am
  - mandk
    
    I think you have identified Enhanced Dunning Kruger Syndrome.
    
    People affected by EDKS not only think they are smart when they are actually stupid, they also think everyone else is stupid.
    
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    December 7, 2022 11:43am
    - Nickc2
      
      I had to look that one up and I agree with you. Unfortunately, there’s currently no cure.
      However, here in Lil-Olde-NZ, we can improvise when dealing with Labour Politicians and throw the bastards out.
      
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      December 7, 2022 12:24pm
- kowtow
  
  When one considers that the direction of our democracy is in the hands of the average swing voter , who’s so easily influenced by fads and fashions , new faces or some other such stupid reason for vote choice then yes crayon drawing stuff is what might appeal to same.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:48pm
Ghost

Very interesting read from the mother of a raim raider

An Auckland mum has described the almost helpless feeling of watching her 14-year-old daughter get sucked into a life of stealing cars and disobeying authorities with a youth ram raid gang.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/coming-home-in-a-box-auckland-mum-shares-her-fears-for-14-year-old-ram-raiding-daughter/TZNDEXWASVDLJJFGWHAB3CEPFE/
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December 7, 2022 11:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No mention of a Father. If there is no Father then there is the problem.
  The kid has grown up with no discipline. Fatherless home, Fatherless family.
  I follow an American Woman on Facebook. Her name is Candace Owens. Fatherless homes she knows a lots about. Her book is “Blackout” I have it.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    The state prevented parents from discipling their children all those years ago .
    
    Now the state also has a huge problem on its hands . It’s own creation.
    
    It ain’t rocket science .
    
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    December 7, 2022 12:43pm
    - Nickc2
      
      And those for which the Sue Bradford legislation was passed are still getting killed by those who aren’t by law permitted to lay a hand on them so-to-speak.
      
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      December 7, 2022 1:05pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Not so much no discipline but half their world is missing. Sounds like this girl has gone out looking for it and found a bad substitute.
    
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    December 7, 2022 1:22pm
curry4me

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BAszamhEUhE/
MSDNC Panics as Elon Purges Woke Leftist Twitter Accounts!

Censorship is only good when Twitter censors right wing outfits. Who knew?
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December 7, 2022 11:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Democrats are shitting themselves. Many reasons but one reason is Hunter’s laptop. Another is the 2020 Election cheating.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:35pm
curry4me

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/12/05/wsj-musks-twitter-files-shows-real-disinformation-threat-is-americas-former-intel-leaders-n515650
WSJ: Musk’s Twitter files shows real “disinformation” threat is America’s former intel leaders

Point of order: Didn’t we learn that in 2013 when James Clapper perjured himself before Congress? And didn’t we learn that the American media enthusiastically facilitated that disinformation potential by hiring Clapper and former FBI executive Andrew McCabe after getting fired for lying to investigators? Among dozens of others?
We did indeed, but the editors of the Wall Street Journal want to underscore that point in the release of Twitter’s files on the Hunter Biden laptop story. They also note the media’s complicity in promoting this “disinformation,” even in the face of independent corroboration:
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December 7, 2022 11:14am
- NothingLeft
  
  And turns out that Jim Baker – ex FBI general counsel guy who was nuts-deep in a whole lot of the Democrat/Intelligence agency fabricated efforts to impeach Trump and exited from FBI after investigations into press leaks in 2018 was taken on by and still working in a senior position at Twitter. Turns out he was screening the “twitter files” released to journalists in recent days documenting govt influenced censorship.
  
  Journalist Matt Taibbi discovered this two days back, and Elon fired him today saying “his explanations [for his actions] were unconvincing”
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:02pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It’s staggering the amount of deeply corrupt crap the Democrats um “appear” (wink wink) to have been involved in since the rise of Trump.
    
    Meanwhile people bleat on about Trump like he’s the devil.
    
    Go figure.
    
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    December 7, 2022 3:47pm
- Inandout
  
  curry, Elon has dispensed with public walkarounds because of the danger of being attacked by poison needles (Putin style), or just plain US style assassination. Eventually the rabid left will quieten from their present stratospheric insanity.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:29pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yes, I hope Elon takes care with his security. A lot of elite money, power, reputation and influence is at stake.
    
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    December 7, 2022 7:14pm
Inandout

The luck of the Irish bar?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11508201/Bar-bans-black-people-entering-without-white-escort-sparking-fury-South-Africa.html
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December 7, 2022 11:35am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Seems pretty unlikely that is the whole story.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

OMG….I WANT!! 😀

https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1600072871874658305
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December 7, 2022 11:48am
- Drone
  
  Vaguely pervy Maggie..
  
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  December 7, 2022 3:30pm
Ghost

$6 million, must be an election coming up, another lolly scramble

Ruapehu Alpine Lifts (RAL) will receive $6 million from the Government “to support the development of an alternative commercial solution” for the embattled skifield operator, it’s been announced.

“We will provide $6m to enable alternative solutions to be developed and provide sufficient working capital to retain the RAL management team while a potential resolution continues to be negotiated. This is in addition to the $2 million already extended to RAL from the Crown.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/12/government-pitches-in-another-6-million-for-ruapehu-alpine-lifts-to-support-development-of-alternative-commercial-solution.html
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December 7, 2022 12:33pm
- Nickc2
  
  Talk on the street is that once it is all fixed and up and running, it’s going to be gifted to Maori. Nash mentioned he was having talks with Maori when this subject was broached on the Hosking Show this morning.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:40pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is ridiculous.
  
  It also reinforces the stupidity of letting our only refinery close without a debate about the public benefits of keeping it open. But oil = bad, skiing = good.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:40pm
  - Nickc2
    
    This serves to show how easy it is to shut down New Zealand.
    It’s not as if this wasn’t foreseen. Master Mariner has been warning about such things on this blog since Marsden Point was shut down.
    Another Ardern Govt failure.
    
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    December 7, 2022 12:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    Looks to me that if the govt left the company alone there is a buyer in the background that would take it
    
    https://www.teaomaori.news/should-ngati-rangi-buy-ruapehu-alpine-lifts
    
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    December 7, 2022 12:57pm
    - DeepBlue
      
      I think all the extra $6m does is buy Fisk time to keep things ticking along so he has time to put the assets into a ‘new entity’. This will go on the block. Then we will see if there is a new commercial buyer or a govn imposed $1 iwi transfer.
      
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      December 7, 2022 1:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Govt should have bought it. As usual they don’t have the brainpower of forward thinking.
    
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    December 7, 2022 1:50pm
    - MCōs
      
      You mean it shouldn’t have been privatized around forty years ago.
      There’s no way it could have been nationalized. That’s socialism. Once these public entities are gone, they’re gone.
      ACT, the Nats, would be spitting tacks.
      
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      December 7, 2022 4:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Govt owned, NZ people owned. Just like power suppliers. Govt has 51%.
        Well I think that is how people ownership works MCos/
        
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        December 7, 2022 5:08pm
Alan Wilkinson

Imagine being on a Parole Board responsible for turning this creature loose on the public?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/notorious-killer-beez-gang-member-latu-kepu-sentenced-to-time-served-laughs-in-court/4NUZT2E47VGURBEK6J6NPXAV6E/
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December 7, 2022 12:40pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  He will likely kill someone within 12 months of being released.
  
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  December 7, 2022 12:43pm
Maggie Pie

These silly fcuks keep asking when Trumpy is going to jail.
Keep dreaming!
The Donald is squeaky clean. The most honest man on the planet.
Everything they’ve ever tried pinning on him falls over. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1600269561777262592
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December 7, 2022 12:41pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  For not declaring FBT. Basically, the guy in charge of payroll did some dodgy stuff and admitted it and admitted being 100% at fault, yet they still find the organisation guilty. Such a joke.
  
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  December 7, 2022 1:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When are the Bidens going to jail? Also the Obamas, Clintons, oh may as well list the whole Democrat Party. They are all crooked thieves.
  
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  December 7, 2022 1:43pm
Maggie Pie

The hubby of a bestie from tennis has had a hair transplant.
Whenever they come over our place for a swim I always give him a bit of stick about the way it looks 😀

Gotta luv twitter! I’ll be using this one next time…..

“Looks like a tramps ball-sack” LOL!!!

https://twitter.com/XRLlareggub/status/1600133516603232258
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December 7, 2022 1:18pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’ll have to take your word on that one, Maggie. Beyond my ken.
  
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  December 7, 2022 1:25pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  My advice for your bestie then, is to stop hanging out with tramps.
  
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  December 7, 2022 3:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    Who are you calling a tramp?
    
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    December 7, 2022 4:10pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    December 7, 2022 4:55pm
Benedict Yu

I was thinking – a last minute ‘fresh face’ worked for Labour in 2017.

So why not try the same trick in 2023. Emily Henderson can take over as PM 🙂

https://www.labour.org.nz/emilyhenderson
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December 7, 2022 1:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t be silly…
  much too clever for us ordinary folk…She could turn into another Geoffrey Palmer.
  
  I’m rooting for Naisi Chen –
  https://www.labour.org.nz/naisichen
  
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  December 7, 2022 1:46pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes a PhD in law from Cambridge – I have to wonder how someone so smart could join the Labour Party. Anyhow she will be gone, gone, gone on election night – she won her seat by 434 votes and she was 64th on the List.
    
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    December 7, 2022 2:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    Naisi Chen has a sense of humour. From her maiden speech, recalling growing up in NZ with Chinese migrant parents:
    
    ” … often playing translator for my parents, as well, in dealings with our landlord, utility companies, and at parent-teacher interviews. They stopped going once I reached intermediate school because they realised the information they had been getting was somewhat single-sided …”
    
    Her father is or was a Christian pastor, but China-born Naisi was hurt by accusations in September 2017, by Canterbury University China expert and political scientist Anne-Marie Brady.
    
    Wikipedia reports that in a conference paper Brady alleged that Naisi had “close […] connections” to the United Front, a network of groups and individuals and strategy the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) used to advance its agenda.
    
    Wikipedia says Naisi felt “hurt” by the accusations.
    
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    December 7, 2022 3:38pm
- Ghost
  
  What about the return of Helen Clark. *shivers*
  
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  December 7, 2022 2:02pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The thing is – if she did run again in 2023, it is entirely plausible that she would win the election for Labour.
    
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    December 7, 2022 2:11pm
    - Colville
      
      She would need to be a MP first?
      
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      December 7, 2022 2:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        Don brash was leader of Act outside of the house, resigned when he failed to get elected.
        
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        December 7, 2022 2:20pm
Yvette

BREAKING NEWS
The Trump Organization has been found guilty in a tax fraud scheme in which executives were offered off-the-book benefits.

What are “off-the-book benefits”?
Are they like undefined unbound Mana o te Wai statements?
No, they are legal
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December 7, 2022 1:30pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  FBT basically. The use of cars and apartments.
  
  The kind of stuff all big US companies do. It doesn’t look like it was many people either. Just a couple senior guys who did it to benefit themselves.
  
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  December 7, 2022 2:51pm
Ghost

Has anyone seen summer yet? I know it must be hiding somewhere because, well, the temperatures are rising.

Currently 12 °C, got the fire going. Mr google tells me in 2015 this time of year the weather was between 26°C and 30°C

Oh well, guess the news will soon tell me it’s been the hottest December on record.
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December 7, 2022 2:12pm
- rockape
  
  It is here in Wakefield
  
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  December 7, 2022 2:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It visited Gisborne yesterday,
  but I’ve layered up with thermals and a woollie beanie this afternoon whilst working in the garden…
  
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  December 7, 2022 3:56pm
Jack5

The bill that sets out the merger of TVNZ and Radio NZ into “Aotearoa New Zealand Public Media” indicates the extent of Maorification in the Government’s plans.

Snippets from the Aotearoa New Zealand Public Media Bill include:

– At least 2 persons (of a board of six to nine) must be appointed who, in the opinion of the responsible Minister (after consulting the Minister for Maori Development), are qualified for appointment having regard to their knowledge of te ao Maori [the Maori world] and tikanga Maori [practices and values from Maori knowledge].

– The purposes of the merged organisation, Aotearoa NZ Public Media, include that it contributes to: (a) a strong and distinctive New Zealand identity; and (b) to “valued, visible, and flourishing” te reo Maori [Maori language] and tikanga Maori; and (c) to reflect the contribution of te ao Maori to a unique NZ identity and culture; and (d) to promote understanding and use of te reo Maori and tikanga Maori among all New Zealanders; and (e) to promote the telling of Maori stories to all New Zealanders.

The bill lists among the function of the two State media organisations: broadcasting of content that is in, or uses, Maori language; promotes tikanga Maori, and “reflects Maori history, experiences, and perspectives to a wide audience”; enables iwi, hapu, and Maori entities to have access to content by and about themselves – and ensures that content is preserved.

The duties of the Aotearoa NZ Public Media board are to include “ensuring Maori perspectives are reflected in the development and delivery of content and services for and about Maori, including by providing opportunities for Maori participation.”
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December 7, 2022 2:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Arizona Governorship. Looks like the Republicans have thrown Kari Lake under the bus. Why? I don’t know.
The voting tabulators were tampered with I think. Stuart alleges at 11:30 AM a technician showed up to check the machines
Only then did tabulators start to experience issues
Between 11:30-12 PM: 10% of ballots were failing
Between Noon-12:30 PM: 20% of ballots were failing
Between 12:30-1:00: 4 of 7 ballots were failing.
The technician should be in the Sheriff’s Office.
Democrat Katie Hobbs is the Secretary of State. As such she is the person in control of the voting process and setup. She was asked to recuse (let someone else do the job) She refused. The whole thing was Democrats cheating again. It is not over yet.
A lot of this in the link is redacted, but there are 3 videos and Twitter messages.
https://rossduhboss.com/arizona-republican-ag-governor-side-with-katie-hobbs-in-election-certification
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December 7, 2022 2:46pm
- MCōs
  
  Kari Lake, who doesn’t give a fuck about you, lost the election fair and square.
  I suppose if Walker loses in Georgia, and heads back to his home in Texas, you’ll complain about vote rigging there ad infinitum
  
  Breaking News
  
  Warnock wins.
  
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  December 7, 2022 4:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Whatever you say MCos.
    Come back here in 2024. America has two years to sort out those strange vote counting machines.
    Tell me those machines are 100% correct all of the time.
    Katie Hobbs was in control in Arizona as Secretary of State. Did not recuse for one reason. I wonder what that reason was?
    Control the Election you are going to win, no matter what?
    
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    December 7, 2022 5:23pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Like Michael Laws who refused to speak to Steve Kirsch, Laws, Plunkett is a cowardly pos who slags off callers or cuts them short when he can’t actually debate them. The Platform is turning into a joke. They should rename it The Single Source of Truth because they seem to operate from the same playbook as Ardern.
    
    Why can’t we talk about it?
    
    I am writing this from Auckland Airport in New Zealand awaiting my flight back to San Francisco. I was just informed that my attempt to have a discussion about COVID policies with Michael Laws on The Platform was denied. The message I received read as follows, “He isn’t interested in having his views tested by yours.”
    
    So effectively, I’ve been “de-platformed” by The Platform which bills itself as “New Zealand’s only independent media site giving you unbiased coverage, commentary, and opinion and the chance to have your say.” Wow.
    
    Wow indeed. Simple answer, because they know they can’t get away with their childish tactics with someone more experienced and knowledgeable on the subject of all things covid.
    This refusal to engage in serious conversation is going to cause serious problems for many years to come.
    
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-cant-we-talk-about-it?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=88862516&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
    
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    December 7, 2022 5:28pm
Swifty

Coming to NZ real soon:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AMdR_o2zw-8

If not already here…..
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December 7, 2022 2:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is already here. Liquor stores. Young ones walk in and say what they are doing and ‘you can’t touch us or stop us’
  I don’t know where in NZ, but I have read about it.
  
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  December 7, 2022 2:57pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    I have personally seen it. Guy with a whole lot of meat packs actually stuffed into his pants and arms leaving the store, and a female employee trying to claim them back, and he was mouthing off exactly that.
    From another person who works at Kmart, this is all the bloody time now. They know it, and they tell the staff “You cant touch us”. Which is technically true in the legal sense, unless the shoplifters are violent towards the staff
    
    On the scale of the Youtube examples, there is this, literally trolleys filled up and walking out the door and then violent to staff when challenged.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/inadequate-discounts-woman-jailed-over-k-mart-assault-appeals-against-sentence/FKOW2F2INZFJRCPA7SXEPCHXRM/
    
    I didn’t intervene in the case of the guy stealing the meat, and spoke with the lady afterwards (who had injured her finger trying to grab the meat back) but I did step in more recently when I saw a staff member at the same supermarket having a skateboard swung at his head by a shoplifter who was making all sorts of threats.
    As I approached the shoplifter he turned to mouth off at me, but I threw 2 punches- one a cross as a feint and then a hook to his body. A combination I have practiced on a heavy bag a lot. The guy fell arse over heels backing up. He got up and started talking big, so I flicked off my jandals in anticipation of employing some kicks. At the sight of this he turned about and left without a backwards glance. And the staff member ended up laughing at the guy as he limped off the premises. I expect he will have been grazed and perhaps even a popped rib. Staff member thanked me.
    
    Must have been a delight for them to see a shoplifter getting actual immediate consequences.
    I should point out the supermarket is not far from the emergency social housing motels in Hamilton, and I doubt this has helped with the general class of people nearby.
    
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    December 7, 2022 3:27pm
    - Swifty
      
      Well done.
      
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      December 7, 2022 5:00pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      My understanding from long-ago study of law at high school is that you “may use that force which is reasonably necessary to stop the commission of a crime” Which I would interpret as making it fine to physically restrain a thief, and even give them a gentle corrective smack or two to subdue them if they threaten you or won’t wait for the police.
      
      Am I wrong in this supposition? If I am wrong then seems to me this would be a sensible change to enable. Let the community step in where the police are absent.
      
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      December 7, 2022 5:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good stuff! Something I have not done for a long time. 70 now but still capable.
      Nothing degrades a man more than the claret flowing to the floor!
      
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      December 8, 2022 10:32am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Young ones walk in and say what they are doing and ‘you can’t touch us or stop us’
    
    I’m thinking “results may vary” 😬 depending on the mood of the store owner/attendant.
    
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    December 7, 2022 4:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The store owner would be charged with assault. When the kids want more same thing all over again.
      
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      December 7, 2022 5:34pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Only if the kid could find witnesses prepared to testify
        
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        December 7, 2022 6:59pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Ask for a jury trial. Pretty sure there would be no conviction. A givealittle crowd funding page would likely cover the legal expenses. I would contribute!
        
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        December 7, 2022 8:09pm
piglady

I had reason to see my doctor today.
He was fired/ had to resign, because he refused to be vaccinated.
He runs the reversal NZ clinic out of Taupo assisting many individuals to reverse their type 2 diabetes with enormous success, but sees regular patients like me for a fee naturally.
I asked him if he was seeing many changes in patients since the vaccinations and he answered with a resounding yes.
Heart issues being the biggest. He just can’t believe how this is being intentionally kept quiet.
I posted some months back about a young man I know here who had a heart attack after his second jab and was interested to know if the good doctor had seen more vaccine injured. It appears so, very very sadly.
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December 7, 2022 2:48pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Sean Plunket will be straining at the leash to get his teeth into him.
  
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  December 7, 2022 3:31pm
  - kowtow
    
    Join the resistance ………yeah right.
    
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    December 7, 2022 3:45pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Like Michael Laws who refused to speak to Steve Kirsch, Plunkett is a cowardly pos who slags off callers or cuts them short when he can’t actually debate them. The Platform is turning into a joke. They should rename it The Single Source of Truth because they seem to operate from the same playbook as Ardern.
    
    Why can’t we talk about it?
    
    I am writing this from Auckland Airport in New Zealand awaiting my flight back to San Francisco. I was just informed that my attempt to have a discussion about COVID policies with Michael Laws on The Platform was denied. The message I received read as follows, “He isn’t interested in having his views tested by yours.”
    
    So effectively, I’ve been “de-platformed” by The Platform which bills itself as “New Zealand’s only independent media site giving you unbiased coverage, commentary, and opinion and the chance to have your say.” Wow.
    
    Wow indeed. Simple answer, because they know they can’t get away with their childish tactics with someone more experienced and knowledgeable on the subject of all things covid.
    This refusal to engage in serious conversation is going to cause serious problems for many years to come.
    
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-cant-we-talk-about-it?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=548354&post_id=88862516&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
    
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    December 7, 2022 5:21pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Piglady, you’re not related to Booze Hag are you?
  
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  December 7, 2022 4:04pm
  - piglady
    
    No I am not. I do enjoy a wine though.
    
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    December 7, 2022 5:56pm
Warren

For those that have not heard the Leighton Smith Podcst today with Bruce Cottirell and then Barry Soper, well worth a listen as Soper crucified the Prime Minister.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/the-leighton-smith-podcast/leighton-smith-podcast-episode-184-december-7th-2022/
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December 7, 2022 3:50pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Not working for me!
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:23pm
Jack5

Chris Trotter rips into Labour’s secrecy on He Puapua, but reckons John Key’s National also showed lack of trust in the White majority:

At the heart of the political uncertainties enveloping the concept of co-governance is the Labour Government’s all-too-obvious lack of trust in the Pakeha majority. A lack of trust also displayed by the National Party. What other explanation could John Key possibly offer for sending the Maori Party’s co-leader, Pita Sharples, to New York, in conditions of virtual secrecy, to sign the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People (UNDRIP).

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/12/a-matter-of-trust.html
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December 7, 2022 4:01pm
CAKE FACE1

I wonder if Cindy did a little dance when she saw the Roy Morgan poll results?
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December 7, 2022 4:13pm
mandk

Excellent performance by Luxon this afternoon:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130696259/christopher-luxon-calls-for-nanaia-mahuta-to-be-sacked-from-cabinet
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December 7, 2022 4:18pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  And take little Willie with her.
  
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  December 7, 2022 4:51pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130682418/chairs-and-racial-slurs-hurled–another-day-on-the-youth-crime-frontline
I still think that these ferals should be shot.
They are completely oblivious to any normal human behaviour and standards and morals.
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December 7, 2022 4:50pm
- Swifty
  
  These people appear very entitled.
  
  “Give me what you’ve got and for free!”
  
  “This is my land!”
  
  I wonder how they got this way?
  
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  December 7, 2022 4:55pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The justice system is failing as either deterrent or protector. Education and welfare are feeding the gangs with recruits. Politics refuses to do anything about it.
  
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  December 7, 2022 5:06pm
Swifty

This is so wrong in my view:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/130691405/uber-driver-backpay-claims-could-reach-millions-of-dollars-first-union-says

The drivers voluntarily and willingly agreed to terms and signed contractor agreements but now wish to rewrite history and to which the courts have agreed.

And now the unions crow as this is some sort of victory. It’s not. It just fucks the business model which has brought so much and so many benefits to NZers and who, as Uber consumers, will no doubt have to pay through increased charges.

Unless it can be shown that these drivers had guns held to their heads when signing their agreements I cannot understand why the court didn’t instantly dismiss this claim by enforcing these contractual agreements, again willingly made.

And I see now ‘hundreds’ of Uber drivers have joined the union since the court judgement. Chasing the pot of gold that they willingly and voluntarily chose not to accept initially in return for the benefits of Uber driverhood.

Sometimes I wish that the Ubers and Olas would just pack up and leave NZ saying that we’ve made it too hard and too expensive to operate in NZ – so that we can see the real cost of this duplicitous behaviour from the drivers and the unions.

Pricks.
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December 7, 2022 4:50pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Bob Jones has scoffed at the Uber business model for a long time. This may well end it here.
  
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  December 7, 2022 5:10pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Totally agree. Either fares will go up (so some folk will switch back to taxis) or uber will just bugger off out of New Zealand.
  
  Socialists and unintended consequences = does not compute.
  
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  December 7, 2022 6:26pm
  - Nickc2
    
    A win for the Unions? IMO, it’s payback time from the Govt to their Union backers. The unions didn’t bankroll this Govt for nothing eh?
    
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    December 7, 2022 6:38pm
- Swifty
  
  I’d just add further, imagine if the situation was reversed.
  
  That a large employer who had employees and for many years, went to court to get a ruling that they were in fact contractors and when the court found in their favour the employer then sought to claw back from the employees millions of dollars of ‘overpayments’.
  
  The unions and lefty politicians would be in an uproar and screeching and tearing at their clothes over the issue.
  
  The employer would be labelled all sorts of slurs and insults, would be getting death threats and vast swathes of the news media and our academia would be screaming blue murder – and all saying the employment contracts should remain valid and in force.
  
  I bet my house on it.
  
  Hypocrisy in New Zealand is just out of control on the left.
  
  As a nation we’ve lost our adherence to principles it seems.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Such a poor performance from Kiri Allan today.
Couldn’t answer basic questions…
insists on telling Parliament that Crime is going down.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20221207_20221207_16/tab/video?page=4&mode=form
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December 7, 2022 5:31pm
- Ghost
  
  Here is a good quote
  
  We are doing more to reduce the harm caused by firearms than any previous Government and we are doing more to tackle gangs and organised crime than ever.
  
  I don’t recall in my life a time when gun violence was so bad as it is today under this government
  
  When we look at targets, we are making sure that we are focusing on the victims of crime. If we want to take a fact-based approach to this discussion around crime and law and order, I have only but repeated the statistics in this House every single week. We have seen a general trajectory—a downwards trajectory—of crime going downwards over the last 10 years.
  
  Here is an article for her. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/exclusive-property-crimes-thefts-and-burglaries-increase-across-new-zealand.html
  
  I think there needs to be a discussion around the rule on here about calling mp’s liars, because it is becoming more obvious that is exactly what this lot of labour mp’s are
  
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  December 7, 2022 5:40pm
  - Prince
    
    Those stats aren’t necessarily ones Ardern would have been aware of when she said crime was decreasing.
    So you shouldn’t call her a liar – just deliberately ignorant.
    
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    December 7, 2022 7:15pm
    - Ghost
      
      Worse prince, that was the minister of justice making those claims
      
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      December 7, 2022 7:17pm
- rockape
  
  Prosecutions may be going down but crime isn’t. It’s just a question of time before another death of a hard working shop owner.
  
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  December 7, 2022 5:41pm
- cas
  
  I thought she didn’t look well
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:15pm
- Swifty
  
  What a Jekyll and Hyde performance that was.
  
  Is she alright? Is the pressure getting to her?
  
  In any other workplace in NZ someone would be pulling her aside and recommending some help.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:23pm
Maggie Pie

I just txt HDPA to ask …..
“why would you even bother asking Simon Wilson if Nanaia should be sacked?”

In fact why would she even bother having the leftarded moron on the huddle anyway. What does HE contribute to the conversation??

ffs!!
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December 7, 2022 5:48pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “In fact why would she even bother having the leftarded moron on the huddle anyway.”
  
  Because her job as a journalist is to provide listeners with a range of views?
  
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  December 7, 2022 6:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well how come she never has any Asians on there then?
    
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    December 7, 2022 7:53pm
Ghost

Baby blood donor vaccine battle: Judge rules in favour of Te Whatu Ora, child to receive transfusion in surgery

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/baby-blood-donor-vaccine-battle-judge-to-deliver-high-courts-ruling-this-evening/WG7T6AWM4BHU5PHZL37X2ZI374/
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December 7, 2022 6:07pm
- fernglas
  
  Here’s how these things usually work (such applications are rare but not uncommon, usually with parents who are Jehovah’s Witnesses)
  The parents have a belief that transfusions are wrong. However they also do not want their baby to die. The health provider therefore steps in and applies to the Court for an order such as that granted here. The order is granted, the parents can say to themselves that the transfusion is taking place against their wishes, the child survives and everyone is happy. Usually, the case is not as public. But the principles are the same. Let’s hope it happens that way here.
  
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  December 7, 2022 7:54pm
- mandk
  
  Shame. Shame. Shame.
  
  There were no clinical reasons for this.
  
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  December 7, 2022 8:40pm
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    Yes there were.
    
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