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Yvette

“Stop being scared of co-governance“? Really?
Last week, while Parliament sat under urgency pushing legislation through, Labour and the Greens added a [entrenched] provision that means once Three Waters becomes law, it would take 60 per cent of MPs to overturn it, instead of a simple majority which applies to almost every law passed, except for a few constitutional matters.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/pr-paul-goldsmith-and-simon-watts-labour-must-reverse-three-waters-skullduggery

Willie Jackson says democracy has changed from being the tyranny of the majority and people need to stop being scared of co-governance.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/willie-jackson-says-democracy-has-changed-co-governance-is-good-act-leader-is-a-hypocrite/VZZAIF66LH76WWEXUXUXAZQ3XA/

The first half of this Jackson sentence, quoted just above – “democracy has changed from being the tyranny of the majority” – would seem to now be a little untruthful
so what about the second half – “people need to stop being scared of co-governance”?
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November 28, 2022 8:02am
- Flossie
  
  I would very much like to hear his definition of democracy.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:37am
  - Yvette
    
    Flossie –I would very much like to hear his definition of democracy. 
    
    I also, Flossie, would like to know how Willie Jackson defines democracy, and as any shift away from one person, one vote, must mean one person with more or less than one vote – that simple – so a change in what he calls the “tyranny of the majority” – but in the favour of whom?
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:32am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Willie Jackson says democracy has changed from being the tyranny of the majority and people need to stop being scared of co-governance.
  This is a perfect example of a politician gaslighting a nation. Willie insists on this becoming the new norm for NZ but without robust public debate and consultation and any type of debate he shuts it down as racist talk.
  It’s Willie’s way or the highway.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:44am
  - GazzaW
    
    Who on earth would buy a secondhand car from Willie Jackson?
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:45am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Mr 22% maori man
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:53am
- Jack5
  
  Wily Willie Jackson champions tyranny of the minority.
  
  He’s from the Jackson clan, known for its Hard-Left trade unionists, Left-of-Labour politicians, and Maori activists. For them, “democracy” seems to be of the old East European type.
  
  Wily Willie trail-blazed the Labour takeover of the media. Don’t under-estimate him.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:27am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Little Willie’s brain could not do this on its own. There is global help from the Schwab megalomaniac running the WEF play book in this country at the moment.
    
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    November 28, 2022 12:30pm
- alloytoo
  
  The over presentation of Maori in Parliment (vs census demographics) suggests no such tyranny exists.
  
  Of course Willie prefers a tyranny of the minority AKA Communism or Apartheid, so long as he’s part of the ruling elite.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:28am
- Justitia
  
  When Willie says “democracy has changed” he’s referring to oligarchy – rule by the few, in this case the tribal elite. Democracy honours the idea that all “are born free and equal in dignity and rights” (the first Article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights). So everyone is entitled to participate in decision-making that affects them. But clearly that doesn’t sit well with Willie and his mates.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:30am
- crikey
  
  Yvette: But tyranny of the minority is OK?
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:33am
- 103PapPap
  
  I see Willie is going to appear on Jack Tame’s show next Sunday. Let’s hope Jack and his team grill Willie with the same degree of intensity that they used when Grilling Chris Luxon yesterday.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Nah !
    Luxon is the enemy of the so called media, and the Public Propaganda Journalism Fund.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:57am
  - leoj
    
    Who cares?
    
    Couldn’t think of a worse way to waste time.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:53am
  - GazzaW
    
    Fat chance of that happening. Jack can see a top job coming up in the RNZ-TV One merger and will want to impress the boss. It’s also a grand opportunity to practise his newfound Te Reo skills.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:53am
  - Nickc2
    
    It won’t happen. Tame is of the left of left-leaning TV interviewers and the Govt owns TVNZ1. Tame won’t want to shit in his own nest.
    From the above, one can deduce that this interview will be a puff piece to glorify the Govt, Cindy, and Willie in particular.
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  David Seymore wants to debate the issue with Willie Jackson,
  but:
  “The reason we haven’t is because the Prime Minister’s office won’t let him. After this morning’s interview I’m not surprised.”
  Looks like Willie is controlled by the Tyrant.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:54am
  - Nickc2
    
    Prior to this accusation Steve, I would have said Willie and his merry band of fuckwits control Cindy.
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:51am
  - GazzaW
    
    Have you seen Willie Jackson in action at Question Time? Once he gets past reading the prepared answer to the first question drafted by his advisors he’s totally and utterly lost and he descends into abusive outbursts much to the delight of the Opposition and the dismay of his fellow MPs. Melissa Lee delights in goading him. There’s no way the PM’s office would allow Jackson anywhere near David Seymour.
    
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    November 28, 2022 1:06pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  The whole bigoted and insane “waters”/He PuaPua caboodle must be ripped out root and branch, immediately, upon this revolting shit-stain of a government getting turfed, even if it costs billions to do so. Then there must be constitutional safeguards installed immediately so this kind of insane and undemocratic bullshit can never happen again, for the sake of all New Zealanders (black, brown, white, yellow, Maori and Non-Maori).
  
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  November 28, 2022 7:51pm
Warren

Concern over entrenched privatization
provision- ‘dangerous precedent ‘.
Around of the Country’s Law Academic’s is urging the Government to changea entrenched provision in the controversial Three Waters Legislation they say could set a “dangerous precedent “.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/three-waters-lawyers-constitutional-concerns-over-entrenched-privatisation-provision-dangerous-precedent/UYRHQD7WSBAFREIT2X6G5QHHEI/
Neither the Labour Party or the Green Party deserve to be in Parliament after what they have done , this is politics at it’s worst and needs to be altered As its not only bad for politics it’s bad for New Zealander’s.
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November 28, 2022 8:02am
- peterwn
  
  It would be the Supreme Court judges who would finally determine whether this ‘entrenchment’ sticks. The Court may not uphold it because it is an inappropriate encumbrance on a future democratically elected government and in this particular case because it was rushed in at the last minute without going through the full legislative process and there was lack of cross party support. Also as law academics and DPF point out there are ways and means of undoing entrenchments without the super-majority.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:40am
  - David Garrett
    
    peter: Please do point out under what provision the courts could declare that the entrenchment they have passed is unlawful? Based on what Act of parliament?
    
    They rewrote three strikes using the Bill of Rights Act
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:29am
  - fernglas
    
    Judges can’t and don’t strike down laws passed by Parliament. Only Parliament can do that. They can interpret them, but the 60% majority legislation seems pretty clear, so the Supreme Court won’t be able to do anything.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:29am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Which is why Australia is fortunate to have a written constitution which gives their High Court explicit responsibility for interpereting the constitution. The High Court of Australia has, many times, struck down laws passed by both the Federal Parliament and State Parliaments.
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:00am
    - peterwn
      
      A future government could just legislate and leave it to opponents to take the government to the High Court. The opponents would need to explain why the ‘cancelling’ legislation was wrong then start pointing to constitutional matters (which may not be legislated as such to support arguments).
      An argument would be that electoral matters are entrenched with good reason and with the agreement of most if not all MP’s. However an entrenchment enacted without the general cross-party consent of Parliament would tie the hands of a future Parliament and therefore would be unconstitutional.
      
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      November 28, 2022 1:02pm
  - Bob
    
    Court may not uphold it b…….
    don’t hold your breath expecting the Supreme Judges to overthrow this dangerous precedent; they haven’t been doing too well with basic law of recent years.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:53am
- Simon
  
  Grubby attempt to turn NZ into Ethiopia by Iwi chancers, far left who hate NZ, and a decaying Labour party. Dont worry Luxon is trying to find a middle ground with these wasters.
  
  The bridgehead for all this was National party who signed up to the UN declaration of fake indigenous rights. That was the framework.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:47am
  - David Garrett
    
    Simon: quite so…ACT was the only party which spoke out AGAINST the signing of the UNDRIP…we didn’t get to vote on it: it was presented by Key as a done deal; Sharples had already gone and signed the bloody thing with Key’s blessing.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:31am
    - leoj
      
      Yet another reason to vote (imperfect) ACT with a peg on the nose.
      
      Seymour could boost his polling if he would simply apologise for being duped by Jacinda in not talking to the protesters.
      
      (Talking to a contact of the protesters in a back room of a pub, doesn’t count).
      
      Second, he should apologise directly to the protesters.
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:59am
      - Bridgenag
        
        YES
        
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        November 28, 2022 12:45pm
- JJ56
  
  Just to repeat my point from yesterday, this is not entrenching no privatisation, this is entrenching no transfer of water assets from a water service entity to any public or private entity.
  
  So don’t let the privatisation smoke screen get in the way, this entrenches the water services entities and with them Iwi control.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:18am
  - Justitia
    
    There is in fact a privatization of sorts already underway via this bill: the confiscation of publicly owned assets and their transfer to the control of private, race-based, kinship groups also known as Iwi who are unelected and unaccountable either to the public or to Parliament (as the Auditor-General has effectively pointed out).
    
    The only further “privatization” the entrenchment clause is likely to obstruct is the provision of some form of security over either the assets themselves, or the income derived from them, to lenders. In the absence of any such security, and taking into account the shonky structure of the whole setup, which will be subject to direction based on mystical interpretations derived from an animistic religion (Te Mana O Te Wai statements), no one in their right mind is likely to lend to any of the mega-entities. It’s a huge own-goal for a train wreck waiting to happen. It will be interesting to watch when the taps begin to run dry and the toilets refuse to flush.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:58am
- Paulus
  
  But the 52% of the sheep gave them the Right to do whatever they want.
  Ideology counts and I ask who is really behind this all -not Ardern – she does not have the brains.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All of those who voted Labour and Greens Are very happy with this.//
  May your balls turn square and fester on the corners.
  
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  November 28, 2022 11:00am
Captain Mainwaring

Spindy displayed her true colours over the weekend when she chose to go public over her father’s minor cancer surgery, right in the middle of all the grieving over the Sandringham dairy murder.
Whilst Ross Ardern’s minor cancer issue is worthy of sympathy, her family does not take priority at this time.
What a shallow, disgusting, opportunistic woman she is.
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November 28, 2022 8:05am
- cmm
  
  She’s really good at playing these little feelz aces she keeps up her sleeve for when she has misread the tealeaves.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:09am
  - leoj
    
    Is “good” the word?
    
    What about “devious”?
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Feels don’t work anymore
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:27am
- pdm
  
  Capt – she still has:
  
  1. A wedding if the fisherman can be found.
  2. Neve’s first day at school.
  
  Up her sleeve in the election lead up.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:13am
  - David Garrett
    
    pdm: Is there some suggestion that the fisherman has gone AWOL? I note there is no discussion of the Royal Wedding of late…to be pulled out of the bag a few months or weeks prior to the election perhaps??
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If he is AWOL, I have a fair idea where he will be, and who with,
      
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      November 28, 2022 11:02am
      - andydownhere
        
        Where? Hawaii?
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:09pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Won’t the kid be 5 now and already at school?
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:28am
    - hullkiwi
      
      The kid is 5 in June. Just before the election season, and just after the budget.
      
      So, if the budget is a flop & there is a recession, the kid starting school is a story for the Labour spinmeisters.
      
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      November 28, 2022 7:55pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  From the ‘Conservative Woman’ blog.
  
  Time to jump out of the globalists’ pan of boiling water
  
  The vast majority of our current parliamentary politicians are overwhelmingly self-serving, dishonest, frequently stupid and conveniently ill-informed, weak and cowardly beings who often appear to have intellectual capabilities lower than those of the insects they would have us eating. It is time for a political revolution to rid ourselves of these leeches who care not a jot for their constituents, and appear to have their minds on their own long-term benefits.
  
  If we don’t use the next general election to make a revolutionary political change there will be no second chance. The water is nearly boiling, and it’s time to jump out or be cooked.
  
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/time-to-jump-out-of-the-globalists-pan-of-boiling-water/
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:16am
  - kevn
    
    @Clan… That Con Wom blog is very good. Lots of factual comment.
    
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    November 28, 2022 8:20am
  - mawm
    
    What a perfect description of politicians. In the old days they would have been selling encyclopaedias door to door while people with integrity and genuine concern for the country and its people stood to represent their electorate.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:19am
    - mawm
      
      Clan – you might be interested in this monologue by Neil Oliver on our leaders.
      
      https://youtu.be/IMlH7IbVpxc
      
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      November 28, 2022 11:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        mawm – cheers. I will check it out. Neil is usually right on the money.
        
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        November 28, 2022 12:46pm
      - Miritu
        
        Thank you, Neil Oliver sums up the situation very well.
        
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        November 28, 2022 2:12pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  As I noted yesterday, in the last 4 weeks there have been two savage killings in Christchurch. One a guy walking his dog stabbed.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130471707/witnesses-saw-man-attack-dog-walker-before-driving-off-with-woman-in-white-car
  
  The other a 61 year old man chased and kicked by an 18 year old. He later died in hospital.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130313689/hell-of-a-nice-guy-allegedly-assaulted-in-christchurch-cbd-dies
  
  AFAIK the PM was utterly silent on these incidents.
  
  What is disturbing is that we cannot protect ourselves from these incidents. These were not people who put themselves in harm’s way. One was a guy walking his dog in a park early in the morning. The other was a guy going about his business walking past the bus interchange in the city at 6pm in daylight.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:20am
  - Flossie
    
    I’m willing to bet the PM was a no show at either funeral. Not a lot of photo ops perhaps.
    
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    November 28, 2022 8:39am
    - Ghost
      
      I’m also willing to bet the national mp’s that were at the funeral yesterday were also no shows at the other funerals.
      
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      November 28, 2022 9:09am
      - Flossie
        
        Touché
        
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        November 28, 2022 9:20am
      - Ghost
        
        No. If people are going to attack Jacinda for going to the funeral how can you ignore the other mp’s that went, or are people just hypocrites
        
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        November 28, 2022 9:22am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes you are right to an extent. The point I was making is that as tragic is the death of the worker at the convenience store, this shit is happening every week. And violence short of murder happens every day. When I go for a walk in Christchurch I am vigilant, looking for anyone who might look dodgy. And no I am not paranoid.
        
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        November 28, 2022 9:48am
      - Jack5
        
        And a report of another bashing by a stranger in Christchurch.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/night-out-in-central-christchurch-ends-with-brain-injury/RMJNPTAK5JAPRLGCYENXLFBJLQ/
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:15am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Pretty sure I seen Brownlie at either a funeral or a vigil
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:30am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    And that then begs the question – how long is it before the retaliation starts?
    
    Was discussing this with a friend and colleague the other day. He is ex British Army, rose to the rank of Major before leaving and starting a new career in IT. As a result of gun buy backs and registers, he has (ostensibly at least) given up owning firearms – he knows the levels of incompetence involved in the process, the registers etc etc and in particular, the levels of access the gangs have to lists. Hes gone a different route, becoming a highly proficient bow hunter. Its a wonderful thing to watch, can hit his letterbox from his front deck, a range of about 80M.
    
    But how long before us great unwashed start to take some of our society back from (a) those who have given it away and (b) those who have forcibly taken it by starting the process of defending ourselves?
    
    And the follow on question – is anarchy what labour are aiming for?
    
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    November 28, 2022 8:41am
    - Lance
      
      Interesting that at the archery club a number of the members took it up after they had to give up their gun licenses for various reasons.
      Yes, once you practice enough with a well set up bow, a 90m target isn’t that hard to hit.
      I always like it when I pull the arrow out of the target and the tip is hot from the transfer of energy
      
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      November 28, 2022 9:42am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        I just got a little moist 😀 LOL
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:09am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        And a proper response now – ahem.
        
        His wife has now told him to do two things.
        
        One, set up an actual target out that way to aim at and stop wrecking the letter box. They live in rural NZ so its deathly quiet. Two – stop waving at the post guy from the porch with his bow in hand LOL
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:13am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      “No more half-measures, Walter”
      
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      November 28, 2022 12:46pm
      - plc
        
        Love Mike
        
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        November 28, 2022 1:19pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Carry a small can of wasp spray for personal protection.
      Yes officer I was carrying the can as I got attacked by wasps last time I went for a walk.
      
      This young man started to attack me and I squirted him without thinking.
      
      So sorry he had to go to hospital for eye surgery.
      and facial burns.
      
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      November 28, 2022 5:01pm
- Yabster
  
  Truly pathetic- how many NZERS have died from cancer -a private matter for most families. How nmany haven’t been able to get timely treatment due to covid priorities?
  
  Good luck to her Dad- but a story it is not.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:24am
  - Ghost
    
    Many people talk to the media about their cancer battle including Nikki Kaye, Kiri Allen. It’s great that people do talk about their cancer to the media and not keep it taboo. John Farnham’s cancer battler alone saw people going to be checked for oral cancer. More people that talk up the better, especially those who are having to wait.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:19am
    - kevn
      
      @Ghost… I missed the cancer stories of Niki Kayes father also Kiri Allens father.
      
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      November 28, 2022 9:34am
      - Ghost
        
        What a stupid post. But here we go you can hear about Judith Collins talking about her father’s death from cancer
        
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/judith-collins-tears-up-describing-father-s-terrible-pain-in-euthanasia-speech.amp.html
        
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        November 28, 2022 9:40am
      - leoj
        
        @ Ghost…
        
        Game, set and match to kevn.
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:04am
      - Ghost
        
        Sure, if you are an idiot that discredits mps talking about their cancer because it’s not their father. So doesn’t fit your agenda to attack jacinda for mentioning her father had cancer.
        
        I cringed when i saw her story because I knew it would bring out the idiots attacking her for it. But to be expected from some here that lack in compassion just to get a cheap shot in
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:08am
    - Yabster
      
      your missing the point as usual Ghost- those people you mentioned are not everyday NZers- so the media doesn’t see it as a story unless they are known. Since when is cancer “Taboo”?
      
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      November 28, 2022 9:41am
      - Ghost
        
        I suggest you read the news for once to find out that everyday people are in the papers for their cancer.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/megawalk-young-cancer-survivor-walking-from-hastings-to-napier-to-help-others/CJ3CDKUCF77OPIGLXKAGBAOYY4/
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/papamoa-beach-cancer-survivor-celebrates-1000th-walk-up-mauao/32O7SBGTDTLKLD5YRAGNAU2O5Q/
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/tauranga-breast-cancer-survivor-celebrates-new-passion-with-pottery-exhibition/E5RYSCDCQFJJ64Q4CPEGCXB5FA/
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/breast-cancer-bay-of-plenty-screening-rates-among-lowest-in-new-zealand/KZ76EUZMWZF5JOQQ7KZZHGZPZA/
        
        Try reading the news, most of the articles on cancer are everyday people
        
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        November 28, 2022 9:50am
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/moving-final-message-from-brave-doctor-before-cancer-death/Z6QC2ZVMZZHBFDRXBNCOPDGXUE/
        
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/breast-cancer-sufferers-forced-into-mastectomies-due-to-increasing-radiation-therapy-delays-college-of-radiologists-says.amp.html
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300731664/an-auckland-woman-went-to-her-doctor-with-sore-knees-it-was-bone-cancer
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/i-was-given-days-to-live-dad-with-blood-cancer-on-the-mend-two-years-later/DYKWEUU3PRA7VODUBBZVIQFESI/
        
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        November 28, 2022 9:55am
      - MCōs
        
        I’m not quite sure what an ‘everyday NZer’ is?
        Politicians love terms such as that and ‘hard working Kiwis’ to describe people that must surely see that what they’re proposing is in their best interests or something.
        We’re all New Zealander residents everyday.
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:13am
      - kevn
        
        @Ghost… A google led reply.
        However, not quite the same context, Collins including her situation whilst debating the euthanasia bill.
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:41am
      - leoj
        
        Attn: Ghost
        
        Rule of thumb – when deep in a hole, stop digging.
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:06am
      - Ghost
        
        Rule of thumb Leo, don’t claim people aren’t special enough for news stories when there are constant articles from every day people about their cancer stories, battles and problems with the health system.
        
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        November 28, 2022 12:02pm
      - Yabster
        
        lol “read the news for once”- theose stories are mainly because they have done some good- like raising funds, the majority – 99.9% don’t get a story do they “Ghost”? – you are a very naive poster sometimes and the indignity that comes from your posts when people disagree with you borders on unjustified arogance- similiar to a Labour Mp almost…
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:26am
      - Ghost
        
        Naive, thats coming from someone that can’t even read all the cancer stories in the media, and when pointed out likes to pretend that they every day people, and then when every day people are shown then twists it again. I never said 99% of people get a story, I did say many people do talk to the media about their cancer. Doesn’t fit your agenda does it.
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:56am
      - Yabster
        
        lol little boy what agenda is that?- as Shane Reti said “what is the waiting time for anger management..”
        
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        November 28, 2022 12:29pm
      - Ghost
        
        Do let us know yabster when you get help for you anger problems, speak to your gp. Also sad that you always try to insult people when someone disagrees with you. Just shows when pointing out to you that your claim is wrong, providing links to a lot of articles you can’t cope but try to make little jabs.
        
        Good luck with getting treatment for your issues.
        
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        November 28, 2022 4:40pm
- Scooter
  
  Yes that wasn’t timed well. Maybe those around her are not advising her well on her optics or does she just not see how bad this looks.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:29am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Probably the latter – she was unbearably terrible on Newshub this morning …. I don’t know how Ryan bridges remains so calm. No tears today, hard nosed cow states less crime, couldn’t understand why more and more New Zealanders are attempting to intervene in these horrendous crimes at huge risk (whilst sipping on her provided coffee) …. Simply unable to fathom the total decline in our country due to her government
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:20am
  - Caine9
    
    Timing is strategic in everything she does. This timing is no different. She is under the gun so did her usual find-a-sympathy moment.
    If I was her father I’d be livid at having my misfortune used so cynically.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:51am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The article on her father’s surgery would have been done weeks ago and the publication date set. It just so happened it occurred at about the same time as Janak’s murder/funeral.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:38am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    I wonder if the front cover story still gets around a $20k payout from the magazine? She has no shame
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Our do they hold it on file to produce At the most “convenient” time? Call me cynical, I say it’s how Brenda operates. PR and spin, narrative control. It’s all she has but it’s being exposed repeatedly.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:20am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Perhaps the real story that should have been told is how Mr Ardern is getting gold class cancer treatment and service while the rest of NZ is getting delayed services to cancer treatment? That would be a far more interesting and balanced story rather than the Women’s Days fluff piece.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:59am
  - Sacha
    
    Maybe Mr Ardern has health insurance/money in the bank and hasn’t been treated at the expense of the people on waiting lists for surgery.
    We should not be demonising folk, just because they have family connection we disapprove of.
    Remember Nazi Germany.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:22am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      The point is, regardless of what class of treatment Mr Ardern is getting – private or public – that the NZ cancer treatment health system is broken. It is still very much a post code lottery. Nothing is fixed and if anything, it’s going backwards.
      
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      November 28, 2022 9:58am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Private treatment is still just fine. Mr. Ardern being a retired police officer would have private access to treatment.
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        North Shore Hospital Urology is ticking over for men with prostate cancer.
        I am thankful that I am still on the active surveillance program. Yearly biopsy under anesthetic, yearly MRI six months after, and 3 monthly PSA blood test.
        When it comes to cancer surgery some are not so lucky, they just die in pain.
        
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        November 28, 2022 11:25am
      - MCōs
        
        The point is he had cancer and was treated & because of his connection to the PM you assume he jumped some queue or other.
        
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        November 28, 2022 1:49pm
      - Harry Knuts
        
        Not at all MCo’s. You miss read my intent. My view is purely a collapsing health system that barely holds it together where cancer patients in the public system are in a queue. Don’t know and don’t care about Mr Ardern and if he’s private or public. The point is he’s getting treatment where hundreds if not thousands aren’t in NZ when they should be, and the lucky ones can afford to go to Aus or other places to seek treatment. If the MSM focused on reporting this position rather fluff Ms Ardern pieces, then perhaps we would get action on progress from this govt.
        
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        November 28, 2022 3:05pm
- Paulus
  
  And guess who was in the front at the Funeral ?
  Another Photoshoot.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:00am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Interesting that one Paulus – TVNZ noted cross party attendance (including PM) to an open funeral. +THR=E highlighted the PM’s attendance but no mention of others that I heard. Maybe Jenna phoned in on her days off …….
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:21am
kevn

@Captn… Classic Red Herring opportuniddy.
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November 28, 2022 8:08am
Maggy Wassilieff

Green MP Eugenie Sage defends her undemocratic putsch on 3 Waters entrenchment.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018868831/green-party-defends-three-waters-entrenchment
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November 28, 2022 8:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The poison queen, how interesting.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:13am
- Yabster
  
  All Labour and Green MP’s should be called out on this constitutional destruction – Privatisation? The irony is as mentioned by teh Timaru mayor this morning on zb is local Government can’t sell water assets as per teh local Govt Act- so if the want to stop any privatisation (a false flag as is teh rates arguement) then just keep assets in the councills hand- ie FO 5 waters.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:30am
  - Ghost
    
    Nigel Has been one of the strongest mayors attacking 3 waters from the beginning
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:13am
- nathie
  
  So a party that only won a mere 7.9% of the total votes (election 2020), the Green Party, thinks it is ok to force a 60% super majority on this legislation.
  
  And the Labour Party can’t see the dangerous precedent this sets and agrees to it?
  
  Well we always knew the Green Party has a “authoritarian” nature (eg they want to enact radical change against the majority wishes), but to have the so called “sensible” Labour Party support this?
  
  What was Labour thinking? Or should that be what were they smoking – was it supplied by the Green Party?!!
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:31am
- Nickc2
  
  Sage is mad! Her reason for Entrenchment is to stop National privatising water. AFIK, National & Act have no intention of privatising water. All they are intent on doing is maintaining the status quo WRT water by repealing the legislation.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:58am
  - Ghost
    
    Water being taken off the councils, put into the control of a government iwi group, I’d say it’s being privatised away from the councils and towards Māori
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:03am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed,
      
      As Eugenie Sage said on RNZ this morning:
      
      “Water Services are essential to life.
      You can’t exist without water services.”
      
      So why then are Iwi being given preferential rights to how our water is to be managed (via the Te Wai O mana statements)?
      
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      November 28, 2022 9:26am
      - Ehlana
        
        “Water Services are essential to life.
        You can’t exist without water services.”
        
        Seriously?
        
        So how did Maori survive in New Zealand before the Europeans arrived to put in water services?
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:28am
      - Ghost
        
        Do you expect a city of people to go to the river each day to collect their water and wash, dig a hole in the backyard for a shit. Cook with the same water they just bathed in.
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:35am
      - Matt Long
        
        If the “green energy” policies proceed as expected that’s a much greater than zero probability scenario.
        
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        November 28, 2022 12:08pm
Benedict Yu

Meanwhile in Kāinga Ora land…

A woman is given a shiny new state house last Friday – nice little townhouse. Within 24 hours she has savagely punched her female neighbour, apparently for no reason. The neighbour is a model tenant – well behaved and keeps her house spotless.

What to do? KO can do nothing. They can record a ‘first strike’ of bad behaviour. However it is not clear whether anything happens after a third strike. The victim cannot go to the police because she would be beaten or possibly murdered in retaliation.

Happy Monday 🙁
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November 28, 2022 8:12am
- Matt Long
  
  One of the many victims of our kind government.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  It just warms my heart seeing our tax dollars at work.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It sounds as though you can get unlimited strikes because the government and KO have a “no evictions” policy.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:36am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    By any measure of common sense… if you are given a new house and your first act is to savagely beat a neighbour, it should be immediate eviction and being arrested and charged by the police. If the victim is attacked in retaliation, the offenders need to be ruthlessly pursued.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:06am
    - Bob
      
      arrested and charged by the police…..
      and provided with free accomodation by the courts.
      The way crime used to be addressed years ago when I was young.
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:01am
- peterwn
  
  This sort of thing would be on a par with ‘domestics’ and the Police have special procedures for dealing with ‘domestics’. The victim should be able to go to the Police without fear of retaliation. However there is a nasty dilemma in such cases. Where there is clear cut evidence of assault (and the possibility of retaliation) the assailant could be remanded in custody and be effectively required to move out. If it is merely the victim’s word then this could tie the Police’s hands – they need to be aware of the possibility of a false or ‘blown up’ complaint.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:52am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I have a ‘close associate’ who is a KO tenancy manager. 3 weeks ago she was attacked by a relative of a tenant. He threatened to kill her. He has an extensive record including attacking police. He was arrested and charged with threatening to kill and breaching bail conditions for previous offending.
    
    Last week he appeared in court and was immediately released again on bail.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:12am
    - peterwn
      
      He should have been fitted with a ball and chain before being released on bail.
      
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      November 28, 2022 1:06pm
    - kowtow
      
      The social contract is broken.
      
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      November 28, 2022 4:06pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The victim I reported (the well behaved tenant) was ‘king hit’. She has a badly bruised face. There were witnesses. No eviction. No police. No arrest. No consequences.
    
    This is the society created by the Government. Do not under estimate the effects on the victim. She will likely have PTSD and currently be in fear for her safety and possibly her life.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:17am
- coge
  
  With these new more intensely built KO homes, lumps the miscreants in closer proximity with everyone else. What were they thinking?
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:08am
  - hullkiwi
    
    They weren’t that is the reality & the problem they create.
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:33pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Makes me wonder if KO is short for knock-out these days more so.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:15am
- artemisia
  
  How many in emergency housing or on the social housing waiting list are there because no private landlord will rent to them? Because of actual or perceived risk.
  
  Sensible landlords do serious risk assessment these days before making an offer. Terminating bad tenants, or recovering rent arrears or damage costs, is complex, rule driven, difficult, expensive and a major hassle. Labour’s rules, mostly.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:27am
- Joely Doe
  
  No.
  KO is lying, again, if that is the response.
  
  KO is able to apply to the TT to have the tenancy terminated as a direct result of the attack. There is no need to issue a ‘warning’ or to wait for 3 such events.
  
  Has the tenant caused or threatened to cause substantial damage to the property or has the tenant assaulted or threatened to assault certain people?
  
  ‘Certain people’ covers the landlord or owner and their family, or any agent acting on their behalf. This also covers neighbours and other occupiers of the property.
  
  You will need to provide supporting information about this violent behaviour, eg witness statements, or photographic evidence.
  
  You can apply to the Tenancy Tribunal to end the tenancy. The Tenancy Tribunal will consider the supporting information to decide if ending the tenancy is appropriate.
  
  Anti-social or unacceptable tenant behaviour – decision tool
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “KO is lying, again, if that is the response.”
    
    No they are not lying. The tenancy managers are not retarded. They understand the law. However if they are instructed by the Government to not evict people, then they cannot apply the law.
    
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    November 28, 2022 12:01pm
    - Joely Doe
      
      What to do? KO can do nothing. They can record a ‘first strike’ of bad behaviour.
      
      Operating under instruction is different from ‘KO can do nothing’.
      If the organisation is limiting the response available and claiming that they have no options..
      
      I couldn’t be a KO Tenancy Manager.
      I would need a stab-proof vest, a taser and a shotgun in the car for backup.
      I would tell tenants things they need to hear and don’t want to hear.
      I would probably have a high risk of assault from certain tenants.
      
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      November 28, 2022 12:29pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        OK I will rephrase :”KO has been instructed to not evict people.”
        
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        November 28, 2022 2:19pm
- Ehlana
  
  How come three strikes was a really horrible idea when Act wanted to do it, but now Labour has adopted it for their KO tenants?
  
  And since Labour is now on board with 3 strikes, it has cross-party support, which, if I understand these things correctly, means it can be entrenched.
  
  So, when should I expect an announcement that has been done?
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:14am
- rangitoto
  
  Why isn’t the woman jailed for assault and battery.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:37am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Because the victim would need to give evidence. If she gave evidence she would be beaten or possibly killed. Simple.
    
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    November 28, 2022 12:02pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Problem is, you are equally stuffed if you accept the behaviour. That is a false sense of safety.
      Police should be called, and yes she might need to develop eyes in the back of her head.
      
      And a shame these people who are victimised don’t have family or friends willing to distribute their own community justice.
      
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      November 28, 2022 1:27pm
- nathie
  
  What to do? KO can do nothing. They can record a ‘first strike’ of bad behaviour. However it is not clear whether anything happens after a third strike. The victim cannot go to the police because she would be beaten or possibly murdered in retaliation.
  
  What to do? As it was an unprovoked attack it should be triggering alarm bells and an escalated response level:
  
  *Police to have powers to search the property for drug use, such as Meth (or other such like drugs and alcohol which triggers violent responses).
  
  * Police to test the aggressor for drugs and alcohol in their system (why not, Police can do so for ordinary everyday car drivers, so therefore so can KO tenants).
  
  *Police or Security Contractors to evict the aggressor immediately on first strike. That protects the victims.
  
  *If no drugs or alcohol affected the aggressor, then Govt agencies to provide “wrap around services” and re-house the aggressor in a “level 2” (higher more secure environment with Security Contractors keeping tab) for, say, 6 months.
  
  *After 6 months of model behavior, then the (former) aggressor can move back to a regular (but different) KO standard housing complex. As a first strike has been recorded, the (former) aggressor needs to keep a clean record at the new place (and not harass their earlier victims).
  
  *But if drugs or alcohol had affected the aggressor, (note a determination of threshold is needed) tough luck the person is kicked out from taxpayer funded KO housing and sort out their own shit. They can either live in a car or figure out it is time to change, get a job and go rent like anyone else.
  
  Or something like this (I’m sure Labour if they had the smarts could work something out. Otherwise National/ACT will).
  
  The things is not to reward bad behavior with taxpayer funded accommodation that is constantly trashed or disrespected, nor other law abiding tenants. Enough is enough.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:43am
dave_c_

Don’t know if this has been posted on Kiwiblog yet – Apologies if it has.
https://reclaimthenet.org/new-zealand-grocery-chain-to-introduce-facial-recognition-tech/
Don’t see any MSM alerting us to such draconian (Communist/Chinese/North Korean) behaviour !
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November 28, 2022 8:13am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Its actually already deployed at a number of PnS and NW stores – look for the small sign at the main entrance.
  
  Hence why I refuse to shop in either of those chains now.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:46am
  - David Garrett
    
    hmmo: Well, you are going to find yourself more and more limited in your shopping choices. Facial recognition and other identification technologies are here to stay.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:38am
    - Ian Boag
      
      The cops need every tech aid available. If we threw all the passport and DL photos and mugshots at a decent database for a decent FR system it would help enormously to track down badfellas.
      
      What’s not to like?
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:20am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        CCP. If you don’t understand the problem with this shit you aren’t paying attention.
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:24am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Clan
        
        Hunour me. Spell it out. Always willing to learn from pseud-hidden people who know better than I do.
        
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        November 28, 2022 1:04pm
    - Flossie
      
      It’s not necessarily evil. Would they have caught stabber from Sandringham without the cctv pictures?
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:22am
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      “This is where facial recognition technology could help. It may be able to sit alongside all our other security and safety initiatives, helping to proactively identify anyone who should not be in the store, or who is a known accomplice of an offender,” says Quin. ”
      
      So it’s not the “cops” making decisions, it’s private “security” people. That is the problem – and who is providing “private citizens” (Foodstuffs) with other “private citizens” (my passport mug shot for example ) biometrics. Don’t recall Foodstuff’s being included in the “data sharing” provisions of my pp application! That may not be the data source but you get my point. It’s got to have come from some official source.
      Here to stay doesn’t mean here to abuse because it’s being given to any man and his dog.
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:56am
      - peterwn
        
        In the case of Foodstuffs shops the database would be built on security pictures of those ‘trespassed’ from the shops. They could not care less about having pictures of ordinary customers who do not cause trouble. So there is no need for Foodstuffs etc to access passport or driving licence photos for their security purposes.
        By the way Z (and presumably Caltex) have cameras to help deal with drive-off’s.
        
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        November 28, 2022 5:36pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Wear a friggin mask, it’s the only thing they’re good for.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:33am
  - peterwn
    
    The larger Four Squares (they are part of the same group) would probably have the technology soon.
    Countdown, Farmers, Warehouse will probably adopt it if troublemakers (shoplifters, creeps, Karens who abuse staff etc) get out of hand.
    
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    November 28, 2022 5:41pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      peterwn, I work at a PnS. That really is the reason. The trouble-makers who threaten staff and customers, the shoplifters who make us pay more through increased prices for “shrinkage”. Yet…I can see the potential for abuse in the future.
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:33pm
Nukuleka

Radio New Zealand Concert is currently running a poll of listeners to determine the future of their programming. The poll consists of 450 snippets of mainstream classical compositions which listeners are required to indicate whether they like or dislike. Quite what the point of this time-consuming and no doubt expensive exercise is is beyond me. Not one of these 450 pieces is in any way out of the ordinary or challenging and it would be a churlish classical music lover who could say they disliked any single one of them. A totally pointless exercise. Clearly our national broadcaster has money to burn.
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November 28, 2022 8:14am
- Ehlana
  
  Surely the question is why the state funds a classical music channel, but not specific channels for other genres – say, country and western, or Bollywood?
  
  In this day and age, why can’t classical music lovers do for themselves what so many other groups have done – crowdfund their own station?
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:32am
- Jack5
  
  The Leftists tried to replace the Concert Programme with hip-hop type stuff angled towards young Maori and young Pacific Islanders in Auckland.
  
  Helen Clark and several other prominent Leftists and Liberal Centrists joined the uproar and it stayed.
  
  It’s cheap to run, and it’s a plug for the taxpayer funded NZ Symphony Orchestra of Wellington, and for the Auckland Philharmonia.
  
  It could be run fairly cheaply by donations and sponsorships and with some advertising, especially if the State donated a few FM frequencies around the country.
  
  It might easily run over two channels. That would please both fogeys who want only old established music, and those who want more stimulating broadcasts.
  
  Given that the Maorification mob wanted to scrap it, let’s hope the Concert Programme survives and thrives.
  
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  November 28, 2022 11:32am
mandk

Has the Governor General dismissed the government yet?
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November 28, 2022 8:26am
- Paulus
  
  As the GG was appointed was recommended by Ardern’s mob she will only do as she is b w told.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:04am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, the Governor-General’s previous job was running the Royal Society of New Zealand.
    
    That colonial copy of one of the world’s great science organisations has been Maorified, de-intellectualised, and Left-ised.
    
    The Governor-General ain’t gonna rock Jacindarella’s canoe.
    
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    November 28, 2022 4:31pm
Matt Long

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/11/clashes-in-shanghai-as-covid-19-protests-flare-across-china.html
There’s a river of filth in China too, fortunately it will be suppressed by the party secretary with support from the “intelligencia” and security forces.
How very Wellington.
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November 28, 2022 8:27am
- Harry Knuts
  
  3 years of rolling lockdowns and limiting freedoms to their citizens. I’d be pretty fed up too.
  Times like these I always think Baker is more suited for China and their communist oppressive system since he loves his lockdowns so much.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:49am
  - Surely Knott
    
    It’s well known Michael Baker modelled our system on the Chinese response.
    
    Baker said, “The second realisation came at the end of February after reading the Report of the World Health Organization-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease that demonstrated China had contained the pandemic in Wuhan.
    
    “That had never been done before and convinced me that we should treat this more like a SARS virus and less like influenza so I began advocating very strongly for containment, which became the elimination strategy in March of 2020.”
    
    Ours was the Chinese response. The exact same methodologies and extreme behaviour (lockdown, police state, forced masking, blanket state propoganda and censorship, passports and digital surveillance, 2 classes of people, overriding the bill of rights) the media is now calling authoritarian, It was Authoritarian then as it is now. It’s authoritarian in China and it was in New Zealand.
    Ours was 2 years, there’s 3.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:39am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Agreed Surely. Baker was the primary architect of the lockdown model in NZ and hence he lead the way in total support of it throughout 2020.
      What Baker has failed to realise his big dream model of lockdowns and restrictions for containment has caused so much social damage to NZ that it will take us years to reverse and mend.
      Hence, he’s still banging on about lockdowns and containment and masks etc.
      
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      November 28, 2022 11:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps our Dear PM could fly over to China and advise Xi JiPing how to move his country out of lockdown.
  
  It seems to be pretty easy…
  just tell him to introduce some traffic lights and switch them from Red to Green…and then tell everyone that they’ve all been saved and now can live with the virus.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:33am
igm

This article is a real eye-opener. Well worth a read . . .
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/11/28/media-meddling-revealed-in-avi-yemeni-saga/
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November 28, 2022 8:30am
Tony Stuart

Looks like the Water Service Entities Bill will be referred back to the Committee of the Whole House for another vote on Eugenie Sage’s SOP entrenching the non-privatisation of water assets.

The PM has said it will be discussed at Cabinet today, so it sounds as though she has blinked. Expect her to say that she was never made aware of the potential consequences as a way of absolving Labour and herself from any wrongdoing.

Anyone for flip-flops?
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November 28, 2022 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes,
  It shows how effective opposition can be, when it tries.
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/28-11-2022/controversial-three-waters-entrenchment-on-the-chopping-block
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:46am
  - G152
    
    Let it be known that any water damage to infrastructure will be billed to those who want to own water.
    Should solve the problem next storm
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:40am
- RightFirstTime
  
  Perhaps Cindy will attempt to emulate David Lange and say it is time to stop for a cup of tea. On second thoughts maybe she won’t because it is becoming increasingly evident that Cindy ain’t running the show.
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:53am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It would seem that she was completely out of the loop on this issue. That begs the question; was not telling the PM about the entrenchment provision an oversight, or a deliberate strategy to subvert constitutional norms?
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:39am
  - David Garrett
    
    Rightfirst: Was Cindy EVER actually running the show (without someone’s hand up her glove puppet persona?)
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:39am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      She is just sent out to spray word fog on every issue and keep her female air-heads happy.
      
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      November 28, 2022 11:11am
- Inandout
  
  TS, regarding the WSEB. I recall an 80s movie named ‘The Entity’, based on sketchy recollections of a woman who imagined having a visit by a strange ghost whilst asleep. I of course refer to an unelected Green MP who probably had a 60% dream.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:03am
- Bob
  
  say that she was never made aware …..
  far too many clauses for spinerama to comprehend.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:04am
- herb1
  
  Wonder if Newshub will do an item with Ardern paddling a canoe , and then reverse the film,
  Calling her out for backpedaling, whilst regularly crossing toLuxon telling us why we can’t afford a government backpedaling and making decisions on polling.
  Would seem hypocritical if they don’t
  
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  November 28, 2022 2:12pm
Tomtoddy

A “poor me” article in Newsroom by John Bluck. Full of twisted rubbish about how non-Māori are treating Māori. Fueling the separatist line.
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November 28, 2022 8:35am
nathie

No matter which way you look at it, the tragic death of the Sandringham dairy worker has highlights Labour’s failures yet again.

Another attack on a dairy. How many such attacks have occurred over the last few years? Hundreds? Thousands?

Labour’s response? Cultural reports and reduced sentences for the offenders. Crims released early from jail. Millions to the Mongrel Mob. Police prevented from chasing cars. But next to nothing for the victims (just more stress, higher insurance costs, owners selling up).

So Labour have failed.

And the criminal who perpetuated this latest crime? A 501, a Kiwi criminal booted out of Australia.

Labour’s response (prior)? Adern insulted former PM Morrison and the MSM cheered her on. But what did that achieve? Next to nothing, the 501 thugs are still being deported to NZ.

So Labour have failed.

To summarise.

Labour – they appear to be unfit to govern. Jacinda Ardern – hang your head in shame for delivering yet another failure – the buck stops with you!

Either sort it out or resign if you can’t, for the sake of people’s/victim’s safety and well-being.
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November 28, 2022 8:37am
kiwikidsnz

David Seymour fyi

“The Make It 16 group made an Official Information Act request to Inland Revenue about how much tax 16- and 17-year-olds pay. And according to Inland Revenue over 94,600 16 -and 17-year olds paid a total of $82 million in income tax during the year ended 31 March 2022. That’s not an insubstantial amount of money (and doesn’t take into consideration the GST they also paid).”
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November 28, 2022 8:44am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Nice try but the total tax take for the last year was $102b making the $82m contribution of 16-17yo’s a paltry amount. Stay in school and work towards being a net-tax payer and we will all benefit.
  
  As a side project why not look up the proportion of net tax payers versus the rest in New Zealand currently and the importance of this ratio. The figure will scare you as it should – it’s your future at stake…
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:28am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Wonder how much is tax planning income/asset splitting?
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:14am
    - david
      
      Trust distributions in the main would be my guess
      
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      November 28, 2022 3:10pm
- fernglas
  
  So about 100,000 16 and 17 year olds pay 82 mill in tax?That’s about $850 a head, or about $18 per week.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:39am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    So, about 2 weeks tax for most of us?
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:43am
- All_on_Red
  
  We need a ‘Make it 25’ group…
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:11am
- alloytoo
  
  How much tax was collected from non-resident/citizen taxpayers?
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:35am
- Joely Doe
  
  Ha ha ha ha!
  Robbo is borrowing $83 million every day.
  
  $82 million a year is chump change.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:39am
Warren

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says Process of getting safety measures into stores needs to be quicker.
Ardern also said ram raids offending was also decreasing due to prosecutions.
Ram raids have also started to come down, the reason for that is prosecutions.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-process-of-getting-safety-measures-into-stores-needs-to-be-quicker/5AHYZKCJT5AI3CZWKAKFZGF5ZU/
If bullshit was votes Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister would win next year’s election with a landslide but because most of what she says is lies people are having second thoughts as crime is still rampant in most of our cities and towns and figures don’t drop that quickly because the Prime Minister says so.
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November 28, 2022 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Compulsive. She just can’t help it.
  
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  November 28, 2022 12:01pm
Random T Person

Some good news?
Broke my leg on Saturday riding (well falling off) my dirt bike. Wasn’t keen on going to hospital, but on Sunday morning went in to Whakatane. Apart from ‘masking up’ except for when I was drinking a cold drink because ‘the virus’ knows to leave you alone in that circumstance, the whole affair wasn’t only efficient but dare I say entirely pleasant.
They did berate me a bit for driving myself and walking/hobbling in, though, and also for driving myself home. But what you gonna do, right?
Mind you, my lawyer who was at a party I attended on Saturday night did say ‘go early Sunday, the ferals don’t get up until midday’, and I took his advice. That may have helped somewhat.
But 100% credit to Whaka hospital.
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November 28, 2022 8:50am
Harry Knuts

Still around but still in hiding I see: https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/that-s-the-job-tv-host-lashes-out-at-police-commissioner-s-refusal-to-front-on-dairy-stabbing/ar-AA14CdbY?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=b4602bd436ce4d9db77e919ab0c31b3c
Cuddles needs reminding as a public servant of the highest order he is even more accountable for fronting media when asked.
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November 28, 2022 8:51am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  He’s causing the PM “embarrasment” as have others in the past. Directive given – no talkie to MSM.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:17am
All_on_Red

NZ Journalists are scum partisan Hacks.
Change my mind
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November 28, 2022 8:51am
- Matt Long
  
  I think the editors of most of our mainstream MSM as well as a strong majority of journalists, however many of our journalists are fine people.
  There may in fact be fine people on both sides 😉
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:12am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Sorry, you got it in one.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:41am
Kiwi_in_Paris

According to Central Otago Mayor Tim Cadogan, we all need to channel our inner-Einstein (and accept change). The only problem is of course that Einstein was sent in to take down Tesla:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/opinion/130568504/the-einstein-test-is-upon-us
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November 28, 2022 8:57am
- Jack5
  
  Tim Cadogan hasn’t encountered the most apt saying of Albert Einstein:
  
  “I never said half the crap people said I did.”
  
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  November 28, 2022 7:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What very pathetic responses from our PM in her RNZ interview about crime in our cities.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018868830/prime-minister-defends-government-action-on-crime-after-dairy-worker-s-death

Does she really believe things are improving under her watch?
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November 28, 2022 8:58am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Yes, she does Maggy. Watching her on the AM show this morning so convinced herself crime and ram raids are down. Would love for her to say that to all the dairy, jewellery, vape store owners and workers.
  
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  November 28, 2022 11:31am
Maggie Pie

Who actually appoints these people?

‘The Sandringham murder accused appeared at the Auckland District Court before Justice-of-the-Peace L. Smith on Saturday.

Smith rejected applications from the media to take photos of the man and granted him interim name suppression…..IN THE INTERESTS OF FAIRNESS TO THE DEFENDANT’

– Stuff

You couldn’t make this sh*t up 🙁
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November 28, 2022 9:00am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, for such a high profile defendant surely a JP would not be the first choice, unless of course Judges don’t work Saturdays.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:11am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Saturdays they’re out playing golf with would-be Islamic terrorists.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:29am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m guessing here, but the guy can’t be kept in prison without being charged and that particular JP was probably rostered on to complete the formalities.
    Do you think prospective murderers should get special treatment, probably at great expense to the taxpayer?
    I suppose if someone seriously important committed a heinous crime they’d expect nothing less than the full bench of the Supreme Court to be pulled in from whatever luxury yacht or similar where they were relaxing.
    
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    November 28, 2022 5:03pm
- greybeard
  
  I posted the following on KB a couple of weeks ago and received a lot of negative feedback !
  
  “In my personal, uninformed, purely layman’s opinion the single most influential reason for the increase in crime, ill discipline and lack of responsibility in this country is the widespread and burgeoning practice of name suppression by the police and the courts.
  There are times when this can be employed, mainly to protect children and vulnerable females – view it as a diluted version of Witness Protection.”
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes….I well remember your post gb. And AGREED 110%.
    
    Any negative feedback points to the manifestation of pathetic woke lefties who now infest predominately right-wing blogs like KB.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:25am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Agreed. The practice of name suppression now is so common it’s comical.
    
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    November 28, 2022 9:25am
    - David Garrett
      
      Harry: Name suppression on first appearance now seems almost universal.
      
      I wouldn’t actually mind a system where every defendant got automatic suppression until they were convicted.
      
      Way back in the day – the Kirk-Rowling government IIRC – this was policy, and actually introduced into standard practice. Like everything else that government did, that policy was repealed by Muldoon.
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:11am
      - Rusty
        
        @David
        Man what a squeaky voice Rowling had!
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:34am
      - Harry Knuts
        
        David, agree. Everyone has the right to be innocent until proven guilty. Some heinous crimes that an accused is falsely accused of gets dragged through the court system and MSM mud before it’s proven false the damage is done. Hence merit in name suppression but must be universal for everyone regardless of who they are until a verdict is given.
        
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        November 28, 2022 10:51am
    - MCōs
      
      In America it seems to be the complete opposite with reporters camped outside relatives of the accused in high profile cases.
      I also remember after the Boston bombing some poor sod was named as a suspect by a tabloid on the basis he was middle eastern origin.
      His address was given out and the poor bugger was nearly lynched; even after the real bombers were arrested.
      Furthermore
      What’s the rush to know the name of the guy charged with murdering Janet Patel? Think he might be your cousin? It’ll come out soon enough.
      
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      November 28, 2022 4:48pm
  - Paulus
    
    Real reason for the increase in crime is simple,
    NO Consequences.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:09am
- coge
  
  Not suggesting plod have charged the wrong guy. But he’s still entitled to a fair trial.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:13am
  - David Garrett
    
    coge: No-one says he isn’t entitled to a fair trial – everyone is. About 5% of defendants are acquitted, normally on a point of law.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:14am
- nathie
  
  Wouldn’t be surprised if the defendant committed heinous crime(s) in Australia hence the suppression (including photos).
  
  There has been plenty of thugs who didn’t get name suppression when their cases go to court, so why is this guy special, especially when the Police already released photos of him prior as a wanted person of interest holding a knife?
  
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  November 28, 2022 11:44am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Grace Milane murderer was given name suppression right to the end. The reason was they didn’t want anyone digging up his criminal past and reporting it to influence the outcome of the crime in question. Even the prosecution IIRC couldn’t use it as evidence of his behaviour even though he had numerous assaults on female complaints about him.
    
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    November 28, 2022 3:13pm
thirteenstars

Courtesy of the woke authorities on breakfast TV this morning, I found out from now until the end of the year half the population is “working for free”.

Turns out women are paid less than men, fifty years after equal pay was made the law. My God! How could this be, I wondered. How could Jenny be paid less than John doing the same job? And why wasn’t I hearing about the easy-win court cases bringing exploitative, discriminatory employers to justice? I asked the dog but he had no clue either.

Well, I was not enlightened one jot by the talking heads. Turns out women don’t actually earn less for the same work, but because of their lifestyle choices they have gaps and reductions in their employment.

Apparently someone other than the women themselves are responsible for this state of affairs.

Who could it be?
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November 28, 2022 9:16am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I watched the same type of interview on AM show with Gattings. Everyone has a chance to ask for more money when employed. The key is proving the job you do and what you’ve achieved, and they can accept or decline your request. Accept means negotiating the increased value. Decline means putting yourself back into the market and seeing what others are willing to pay for your skillset. At the end of the day, it is a mostly open market with the exception of some industries and jobs. This approach is not gender specific.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:29am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Its an oversimplification. My son-in-law owns a pharmacy. He employs 2 men, and 5 women . the men work on average 38 – 42 hrs per week.
    The women work on average 26 – 36 hrs per week by choice.
    Go figure.
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:02am
    - thirteenstars
      
      It’s not even an oversimplification. It’s an outright lie. Women are not paid less than men. They are paid the same as men but choose to work fewer hours.
      
      If a woman chooses to have a baby and needs to make adjustments to her employment status that’s between herself and her bank balance, or between herself and her husband… or non-heteronormative, gender-fluid cohabitation support person.
      
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      November 28, 2022 11:18am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Don, I gather you conclude someone’s renumeration/hourly rate is related to how many hours they work? I would have thought their hourly rate/salary was more related to their skillset/experience/qualifications? Which was my point.
      eg: pharmacists would expect to get paid more than retail shop front assistant, regardless of gender.
      
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      November 28, 2022 11:36am
      - Flossie
        
        Isn’t the point of it how much a woman earns p.a. v a man. The hourly rate is irrelevant. If they’re not doing the hours they won’t earn so much.
        Also, there are plenty of female pharmacists.
        
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        November 28, 2022 12:05pm
- Joely Doe
  
  I’m really not sure what I am supposed to do?
  
  Do I stop paying my female employees until next year? How does this work in practice?
  What are the downsides to stopping paying staff?
  
  If I pay female employees over this period, how do I go about getting my money back?
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:44am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    “half the population is “working for free””
    JD – Gatting suggested the silent protest of women in particular working for free is to put their out of office on meanwhile the employer is still effectively paying them.
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:53am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Only a filthy rich, unrepentant capitalist pig and insensitive poo-poo head would ask such questions.
    
    Root out the problem once and for all: fire all your female employees and refrain from hiring any more.
    
    Let us know how it goes. All the best.
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:01am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I was wondering when these clowns would start campaigning for Maori and Pacific Islanders pay gaps and complaining about some other ethnic groups being overpaid?
  
  Or does this only matter/work/justify for women?
  
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  November 28, 2022 11:20am
  - thirteenstars
    
    And “woman” is an outdated term, anyway. In fact it’s downright heteronormative, and we all know that’s wicked-nasty and doubleplusungood.
    
    What about the LGBTQ rainbow? I hear the G crowd are up 20% in pay and the Q people are down 13%.
    
    Yet these “women” characters are getting all the sympathy. Outrageous.
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:49am
slightlyrighty

I would expect the Entrenchment provision to be gone by the end of the day.

Which begs the question, how incompetent do you have to be to try and get this through the process, especially at the behest of a minor Co-alition partner?
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November 28, 2022 9:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  how incompetent do you have to be to try
  
  Within the next two weeks the 3 Waters Bill will pass its 3rd reading…
  
  Done & dusted.
  
  And most of NZ has been asleep whilst all the background manoeuvring to bring in this bill occurred.
  
  Judith Collins was warning about He Puapua back in early 2021…and instead of uniting behind her National spent time pulling itself apart ..whilst Labour pushed on with its pathetic 3-waters TV propaganda and Local body “bribes”.
  
  So, Labour hasn’t been incompetent in getting 3-Waters into our legislation.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:52am
  - David Garrett
    
    Maggy: Of all the adjectives one could use about three waters, “pathetic” is the least appropriate.
    
    I would have said “racist”; “sinister”; separatist”; “undemocratic”
    
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    November 28, 2022 10:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Perhaps my choice of the word could lead to ambiguity.
      
      I used pathetic in its sense of pitifully inadequate; distressingly inferior.
      
      How bloody sad that Our Government thought it could explain major infra-structural changes to NZers in terms of cartoon characters indulging in bro-speak, poor English and outright dishonesty.
      
      https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/public-sector-project/three-waters-tv-ad-evaporates-after-commission-warning
      
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      November 28, 2022 10:55am
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t ever forget, Labour and the Greens collaborated on this deception to introduce the changes at the last minute, very late at night/early hours of the morning, and in the hope nobody would notice.
  I just wonder what the Maori Caucus is going to do next. Any ideas?
  Mahuta and Jackson will be really pissed off their deception has been sprung and there’s a likelihood their meal ticket for life may be lost forever.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:59am
I remember when

Read a letter to the Editor about the problem of cancellation of buses in Auckland during peak travel periods.
Combine this with the removal of rail services during January-March and it suggests a summer of discontent.
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November 28, 2022 9:25am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I’m predicting an increase of cars on the road.
  Having recently provided my teenager a car to get around in and not be beholden to the bus services which were often cancelled, and I had to drive for pickup in the end. Living rural it wasn’t a hard decision to make.
  
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  November 28, 2022 11:40am
Libertarians are right

Re Entrenchment:
The Greens have argued that National did a referendum (which 44% of voters voted in) and lost badly so, when they won the following election and partially sold assets, a policy they actually campaigned on, they were going against the will of the people.

Neither the Greens or Labour campaigned on 5 Waters yet somehow they are claiming a super mandate to entrench the legislation because National might go against the will of the people (who are almost all against 5 waters) and repeal it.

They really are stupid.
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November 28, 2022 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They really are stupid.
  
  are they?
  
  They may not keep the entrenchment clause, but they have very effectively publicised the view that National might privatise water.
  
  Labour and Greens are masters of misinformation and disinformation.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:56am
- Tricati
  
  Don’t forget the Greens (Greenpeace) had an on-line petition for the closing of oil & gas exploration in NZ. They supposedly got 43,000 submission (never verified to my knowledge), or 0.9% of the population and Ardern acted and shut down future oil & gas exploration. 88,000 respond to the 3 waters petition and Ardern just ignores it – This policy was never part of either the Labour or the Greens pre-election manifesto’s and is publicly unpopular. The fact they continue to drive it through hi-lites the underlining agenda behind it, and its not about safe drinking water.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is all bullshit. I can’t see this National Party privatising water assets.
  
  The Power cos were a n brainer. The Government is making way way more money in dividends from its 51 percent share than they used to make on their 100 percent ownership. Governments simply have no business in owning power companies and airports. Water is somewhat different. Regionally it is a natural monopoly and it has deep connections to societal benefits and survival and crops – to life. International evidence on the benefits of water privatisation is pretty unconvincing.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Benedict’s … Governments simply have no business in owning power companies and airports.
    
    It’s mostly local bodies that own airports, and ports.
    
    The Bay of Plenty Regional Council, through Quayside Securities, is an enlightened key shareholder in Port of Tauranga. The port has flourished, and through its 55 per cent stake, the council has grown a nest egg worth almost $2.5 billion.
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:45am
- MCōs
  
  “Neither the Greens or Labour campaigned on 5 Waters yet somehow they are claiming a super mandate to entrench the legislation because National might go against the will of the people (who are almost all against 5 waters) and repeal it.”
  
  That sentence doesn’t make sense.
  My understanding is the a 60% vote in parliament will be required if a future government wishes to privatize water assets as has been done in the UK.
  I heard Paul Goldsmith on the radio claim a future National administration would never do that so there’s no need for the legislation.
  That doesn’t stop National repealing the 3-Water legislation although I’m picked that once in place they’ll leave it there along with a dozen or so other laws they’ve promised to repeal.
  
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  November 28, 2022 2:20pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Sorry Mcos, Labour and the Greens are master practitioners of dirty politics. This has nothing to do with National privatising assets.
    
    To repeal 5 Waters, National need to first deal with this SOP. The second they do, Labour can both attack them (with lies about privatisation) AND have a precedent for the future for getting around entrenched legislation.
    
    The SOP effectively protects the entire legislation.
    
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    November 28, 2022 3:55pm
    - MCōs
      
      Let’s see if they repeal 3-Waters
      
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      November 28, 2022 5:19pm
I remember when

Can’t decide which I find less interesting –
* Endless rolling mauls.
* The issuing of multiple yellow and red cards.

As many of the yellow cards are issued by a group of referees who have never ever been in a scrum, what are the chances of them being right.
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November 28, 2022 10:03am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  How about you flip that around: how many players bother to read and understand the laws of the game they make their living from? Most players barely scrape 40% in the law exams referees have to score 80%+ in from the times they have tested them yet they argue law on the field with the guy who is expert in them?
  If the law says don’t join a maul ahead of the ball carrier or put your hands on the ground past the ball trying to contest it then why do it?
  All coaches admit they are trying to find ways to circumvent the laws; perhaps that’s the real issue?
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:40am
  - I remember when
    
    The coach’s job is to coach according to what the rules allow.
    It’s the old 100 kph is lawful and 101 kph is not.
    What is the point of reading and understanding the rules if you don’t use that information.
    
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    November 28, 2022 2:56pm
I remember when

Are the Chinese demonstrating that anything more than a very brief lockdowns, while major research is undertaken to establish facts, are extremely unlikely?
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November 28, 2022 10:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/my-warkworth-speech-strikes-oil-the-top-ten-thoughts-kiwis-have-about-co-governance/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/video-analsyis-of-Warkworth-speech-3.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTy0yduWYZ8 Read Comments.
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November 28, 2022 10:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  5 waters. Aquifers and backyard and Municipal swimming pools are now included.
  Wait a mo. That means water in my spa pool. Fuck off!
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

Kaushal said more visible police were needed on the streets to act as a deterrent.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/479627/pm-jacinda-ardern-denies-government-soft-on-crime

Do cops walk the beat these days?

I must admit, I see Cops driving around my local streets every few days or so ( but I live in gangsta-land).
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November 28, 2022 10:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We have a strong police presence in our Hood fortunately.
  At least 3 or 4 times a day you can see Cop cars parked outside ‘Bakers Delight’ on Remuera Rd.
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:37am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    The pold in my hood sit on the side of the road clocking up their points for how many speeding tickets they can get in a day. Gotta meet that quota!
    
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    November 28, 2022 11:05am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Should do what they do in Japan and have ” Police Boxes” all over the place with 2 to 3 cops stationed in each
  
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  November 28, 2022 10:48am
Maggie Pie

This is almost unbelievable….

Sooo grateful to have grown up before the world went totally insane!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fib299eXEAE1oA-?format=jpg&name=900×900
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November 28, 2022 10:30am
Ghost

See them walking around the shops down here.
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November 28, 2022 10:32am
Raphael

Simon O’Connor gave a very good livestream this weekend detailing how Labour is going about destroying our democracy.
https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/conservative-mp-goes-live-to-warn-kiwis-about-what-is-happening-in-parliament/
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November 28, 2022 10:40am
Raphael

I am always surprised that Awaken JP hasn’t been cancelled totally.

skits like this are as brilliant as they are a sad reflection on today’s society.
Today’s Kids in 40 Years: https://youtu.be/FxStjOpcdkU
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November 28, 2022 10:42am
Yvette

Thomas Cranmer in “Entrenchment: the latest storm engulfing Three Waters”
points out entrenchment –

… threatens to draw the courts and Parliament into direct conflict over fundamental questions of sovereignty. Constitutional lawyers have been united in expressing deep concern over the government’s actions – some of them have gone so far as to describe it as democratic vandalism.

It was, in fact, the Working Group on Representation, Governance and Accountability that recommended in March that the Bill entrench the need for 75% of MPs to vote in favour of repealing or amending any provision of the Bill necessary to allow privatisation of a water services entity. Cabinet agreed with that proposal in April and therefore sought cross-party support. Mahuta knew very well at that stage that it would be a highly controversial undertaking. In her April Cabinet Paper the Minister stated:

Support for this provision will be tested when the Bill reaches the committee of the whole House. Entrenchment of these provisions would be unusual. Entrenchment is currently reserved for core constitutional arrangements. A range of similarly significant policy settings are not entrenched. There are complex constitutional arguments about whether entrenchment of these provisions would be respected by future Parliaments and the courts.

The entrenchment provision was not, however, included in the Bill when it was first introduced to the House nor when it returned from the select committee stage a few weeks ago…

https://cranmer.substack.com/p/entrenchment-the-latest-storm-engulfing?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1090995&post_id=87099157&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

So those who remark on the “sudden” appearance of “entrenchment” should, if they don’t know already, realise it has been planned for some time, and is actually introduced in a more devious manner than appears.
What now is the definition of “dirty politics“?
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November 28, 2022 10:57am
- marcw
  
  I don’t believe the Greens (collectively) or Sage (individually) are behind this late secretive entrenchment amendment. They are simply doing the Maori caucus dirty work for them, so Mahuta, Jackson etc. can claim their hands are clean.
  
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  November 28, 2022 3:12pm
Inandout

A night out in lawless Christchurch leads to an appalling attack.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/night-out-in-central-christchurch-ends-with-brain-injury/RMJNPTAK5JAPRLGCYENXLFBJLQ/
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November 28, 2022 11:01am
Master Mariner

Diesel Shortages Globally.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Diesel-Crisis-Is-Going-Global.html
“That’s partly a function of the pandemic, after lockdowns destroyed demand and forced refiners to close some of their least profitable plants. But the looming transition away from fossil fuels has also dented investments in the sector. Since 2020, US refining capacity has shrunk by more than 1 million barrels per day. Meanwhile in Europe, shipping disruptions and worker strikes have also eaten into refinery production. -Bloomberg ”
NZ has gone from Supply certainty to a “Just in time” supply model for Petroleum products.
What could go wrong ?
We do not have enough holding capacity in NZ and rely on One ship at a time.
“Black Swan” events are the new normal and NZ should be preparing accordingly.
MBIE are not forth coming in updating Fuel supplies into NZ any more.
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November 28, 2022 11:23am
- Taieri
  
  Diesel is passe…
  But we’ll have plenty of cheap electricity soon. At least the Minister of Energy Dr Woods will. If only Lake Onslow project goes ahead. Hopefully she’ll share that electricity with the muppets that destroyed the old NZED. Not forgetting JA Gantner’s ebike supply of course.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central-otago/lake-onslow-project-could-cut-electricity-costs-minister
  
  Paywalled, but can be read via pressreader:
  
  https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/otago-daily-times/20221128/281526525068065
  
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  November 28, 2022 12:28pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/478854/lake-onslow-not-ideal-for-battery-lake-cost-vastly-understated-contact-energy
    Well that could of saved 30 mill in doing a feasabilty study surely?
    Getting back to Diesel security, I really think its day by day,
    What are your thoughts Taieri?
    
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    November 28, 2022 12:55pm
    - Taieri
      
      The attitude of the current powers that be to fuel reserves and wider energy issues in this country reminds me of an ostrich. Apparently an ostrich sticks its head in the sand in the face of danger,
      
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      November 28, 2022 3:38pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    If they started today I bet Onslow wouldn’t be finished by 2035
    
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    November 28, 2022 2:27pm
    - I remember when
      
      Is that Hyacinth Bucket’s Onslow?
      
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      November 28, 2022 3:01pm
- Nickc2
  
  That’s all we need in NZ, a bloody Diesel shortage at a National Level when most if not all our food items are transported from depot/source to retail using Diesel Trucks.
  In addition, if there’s any petrol, that’s also distributed to outlets using Diesel Trucks.
  Dontcha wish this Govt wasn’t so blinkered by their Green mates and School Kids that we saw fit to retain Oil and Gas exploration in NZ.
  
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  November 28, 2022 2:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Jacinda Ardern on another planet from the rest of us?

“Jacinda Ardern’s assertion on AM this morning that the “majority” of ramraid cases are being prosecuted shows she’s either in denial or living on another planet when it comes to crime,” says ACT Leader David Seymour.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00234/pm-in-denial-about-ram-raids.htm

Of course, another explanation is that Jacinda Ardern is deliberately LYING to the NZ public.
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November 28, 2022 11:25am
- plc
  
  Hot Pants Ardern
  
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  November 28, 2022 1:33pm
- Ghost
  
  I watched the video before, found it interesting as they were coming back from the break it looked very uncomfortable in the studio amongst the three of them.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/pm-jacinda-ardern-defends-govt-s-record-on-crime-after-being-shown-shocking-video-of-robbery-days-after-fatal-dairy-stabbing.html
  
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  November 28, 2022 1:40pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  I think 90% of NZ calls BS on Ardern’s statement. Let’s be nice and just call her clueless and on another planet as Seymour suggests politely.
  
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  November 28, 2022 3:19pm
I remember when

Why did Maori sign the Treaty of Waitangi when they were a massive numerical majority of the population?
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November 28, 2022 11:45am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Because their numbers were plummeting fast as the other tribes slaughtered them from 1820-1840 the Musket Wars saw up to around 40,000 killed.
  They wanted protection from each other.
  
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  November 28, 2022 11:51am
  - plc
    
    Other tribes….or largely Ngapuhi?
    
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    November 28, 2022 1:34pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Te Rauparaha of Ngati Toa decimated and ate many.
      One example is his Raid in 1830 which started in Akaroa (aided by Englishman Capt Stewart) and he went on a rampage and came close to wiping out Ngai Tahu in the SI. Its recorded there were ‘over 100 baskets of flesh to eat”.
      He used to lure warriors on these raids with the promise of lots of meat…
      
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      November 28, 2022 2:32pm
- virtualmark
  
  Because:
  (a) they wanted someone with authority (ie the Queen) to control the European settlers, and
  (b) they could see the jostling for control of New Zealand between the UK, USA and France and, based on what they’d seen in other countries, they thought it best to control that process rather than have it done to them.
  
  They were realistic that although they were more populous than the European settlers in 1840 they had seen the power and resources countries like the UK could bring to bear if they chose to.
  
  Wasn’t so much about a fear of Ngapuhi … given it was Ngapuhi who were the initial signatories on 6 February 1840.
  
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  November 28, 2022 1:51pm
Maggie Pie

Heard them saying “more than three-thousand 501’s have been deported back here so far”.

Bet the Aussies must be having a laugh to themselves.
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November 28, 2022 12:15pm
- plc
  
  Not true….Ardern sorted it out with Albo//
  
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  November 28, 2022 1:34pm
NothingLeft

Vaccinated under 60 UKers are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60
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November 28, 2022 12:45pm
oldfella

Must be Monday, as stuffed has another anti-Luxon cartoon from Emma Cooke, who draws like she’s still using training wheels.
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November 28, 2022 12:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I heard talk that the Flintstones is to be banned from UAE television screens, is this true? Its only a cartoon for god sake!
Apparently Dubai wont screen it but Abu-Dhabi-Do???
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November 28, 2022 1:01pm
Maggie Pie

In the whole time I’ve known my partner’s mum, rarely have I ever heard her being intentionally mean about anybody.

Speaking to her just before, she reckons in her entire 76 years on this earth, has she ever encountered a more woke or weak Police Commissioner than Cuddles.

Just saying.
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November 28, 2022 1:40pm
- MCōs
  
  When did she encounter him?
  
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  November 28, 2022 1:51pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Just throwing it out there, but maybe he wasn’t like this before Labour got their hands on him. Maybe he’s been mentally and professionally castrated??
  
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  November 28, 2022 3:24pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “has she ever encountered a more woke or weak Police Commissioner than Cuddles…”
  
  Really? How many 76 year old white (could not be anything else with you) women would be able to present a comparative analysis of the philosophical underpinnings of Police Commissioners over the last 5 decades?
  
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  November 28, 2022 8:54pm
thirteenstars

Viktor Belenko, the Soviet pilot who defected with the MiG-25 (most advanced Soviet interceptor of its time), who initially assumed that his CIA handlers were keeping him in an elaborate tourist trap made to impress foreigners because he couldn’t comprehend the sheer abundance he was seeing.

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1980/12/15/a-defecting-pilot-comes-down-to-earth

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/GoldandBlack/comments/z6a1eq/til_of_viktor_belenko_the_soviet_pilot_who/
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November 28, 2022 1:45pm
Maggie Pie

Newstalk ZB’s Andrew Dickins make strong case for the castration and sterilization of violent criminals.
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November 28, 2022 2:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern lied to the public this morning when she claimed her Government hadn’t decreased any criminal penalties.

“Ardern is wrong. Aggravated robbery was a qualifying three strike offence and Labour repealed that law.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00237/pm-doesnt-know-govt-went-soft-on-crime.htm
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November 28, 2022 3:49pm
- Nickc2
  
  Cindy’s not a good liar! Good liars remember the lies they have told come what may.
  IMO, once Cindy’s read from a pre-prepared script written by her brigade strength of spin merchants, she throws it away and can’t remember what she read five minutes prior.
  
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  November 28, 2022 4:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Watch the next excuse.
    ‘Someone told me the Government hadn’t decreased any criminal penalties.’
    So there…….
    
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    November 28, 2022 5:09pm
- Ghost
  
  That’s alright you should have watched her in this afternoons stand up claim that the reason the dairy didn’t get the fog cannons was that they didn’t qualify under the scheme national brought in and fell between the cracks of national and labour’s scheme. Made sure she pushed national a few times.
  
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  November 28, 2022 4:04pm
- Swifty
  
  Their lying to us is just routine now.
  
  It has become the default setting.
  
  When interviewed, the number one priority of every Labour MP is to protect the Labour Party – giving honest, balanced assessments; being principled, giving NZers the truth, comes way down the list.
  
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  November 28, 2022 7:06pm
Warren

5year on and Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is still blaming National for staff numbers in our Police Force as though that’s got anything to do with the ram raids a criminal activities in our North Island Cities.
What a peice of crap Jacinda Ardern is
saying they have been prosecuting you people and those that want give up their criminal ways are now back in school away from crime .
Jesus Jacinda is a miracle worker she wil soon be saying she can walk on water to go with all her other lies.
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November 28, 2022 3:52pm
- Prince
  
  Ask Ardern, she will tell you Dairy raids, bashings and ram raids have come down under Labour.
  Ask anyone else, including any policeman, they will tell you these crimes have skyrocketed under Labour.
  Someone is lying, and it is the usual suspect.
  
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  November 28, 2022 5:45pm
- Warren
  
  Jacinda Ardern would rather be talking about National and what they did more than five years ago than listening to the father of the deceased that was brutally murdered while looking after a friend’s store will they were on holiday overseas.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/auckland-stabbing-father-of-slain-dairy-worker-says-he-doesn-t-want-another-janak-to-lose-their-life.html
  It’s more about the so called mistakes that National made than taking notice about what the dairies want ,Jacinda needs to get off her high horse and listen because New Zealander’s have had enough of the Prime Minister’s and Labours lies.
  
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  November 28, 2022 6:32pm
Maggie Pie

TV1Ewes reporter Abbey Wakefield pissed at having to order Trevally 😀

https://twitter.com/Beywake/status/1597010156398993408
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November 28, 2022 4:20pm
Jack5

The mental health system’s near collapsing. Shortages of hospitals, beds, nurses, psychiatrists …

And some Woke bureaucrat rabbits on about cultural needs and demands cultural assessments.

The Woke as whole are in some psychotic episode.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300750782/mental-health-service-failed-to-provide-culturally-appropriate-care
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November 28, 2022 4:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lap it up. There will be much more of this ‘Cultural’ bullshit to come.
  Me, being a whitie don’t got no ‘cultural’ stuff, and nobody cares about me.
  Fuck!
  
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  November 28, 2022 5:19pm
MCōs

Here’s something to give the self righteous palpitations https://twitter.com/khaosodenglish/status/1597043320722948097?s=61&t=CS3qpRAzSzDmsXBsRi_kpg
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November 28, 2022 4:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I guess I will have to tell you Mac.
  That sheila is a bloke. How do I know? The google machine, and out Thai friend in Alaska.
  
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  November 28, 2022 5:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    They are no longer blokes.
    Thais may generally be socially conservative, but when it comes to transgender issues, even at high school, they are very accommodating.
    
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    November 28, 2022 8:11pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Even in the 1960’s I had heard of Transgenders. Long before the latest iteration.
      
      At sea you were warned about the Lady Boys in Bangkok and Bugis Street in Singapore.
      
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      November 28, 2022 8:37pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/300750497/jack-tame-woken-from-deep-sleep-to-replace-matty-mclean-midbreakfast-after-positive-covid-test

Have been a bit busy today so just catching up.
But can someone please enlighten me – Why is this news?
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November 28, 2022 4:38pm
- mandk
  
  It’s cos media folk are a bunch of luvvies who think they are important.
  
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  November 28, 2022 4:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just imagine if all of play school TV1 got Covid from matty.
  Then we would have to go to another channel.
  The speaker of the house here would go apeshit – and it would all be my fault!
  
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  November 28, 2022 5:27pm
Ra Henare

A prediction.

That the the polls will show increased support for 16 year olds to vote.

Why do I say that. The number of articles in MSM that support 16 year olds voting. Without the counter argument.

Am guessing at least 2 opinion pieces a month on the subject. Its straight from the propaganda/PR handbook on changing peoples opinion.
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November 28, 2022 5:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When a teen goes from 12 to 13, their brain gets taken out.
  They get it back at 23. Then they can vote…..
  
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  November 28, 2022 5:30pm
Suze Wainwright

Lots of angry, outraged lefties on Twitter re the protest outside Deputy PM’s office in Wellington.

It’s all just National Party dirty politics at its most vile, apparently…
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November 28, 2022 6:24pm
wilderbeast

The latest pronouncement from the high priestess is that (with regards to crime) her government is “firm and facts based”. As we know they’re also “kind”, “transparent” and “honest”. They protesteth too much IMO
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November 28, 2022 7:04pm
- mandk
  
  Yes, she does.
  
  You can be sure that, this very moment, she is standing over her PR team, beating them and yelling at them to work harder.
  
  I know this to be true. Sir Cullen’s Sidekick told me //
  
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  November 28, 2022 7:25pm
- Prince
  
  This is just Labour following a long tradition of targetting Indians who, without wanting to be racist, tend to own most of the dairies across the country.
  I recall in 1975 the Labour Government proposed to ban cats from dairies, due to ‘health and safety’.
  Muldoon had a field day with the proposal, suggesting given the recession, inflation and general Economic crisis (yes, Labour always leads to an Economic crisis), the Government should have better things to think about.
  Muldoon swept Labour aside in the 1975 election.
  
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  November 28, 2022 9:36pm
Jack5

Could the Turks have been inspired by name-change Wokery in far, faraway ~~New Zealand~~ Aotearoa?

Or do they just want to end smart-arses linking it with Americans’ traditional Christmas dish?

Turkey wants the world to adopt the native spelling of its name, complete with a diacritical mark, but not the macron used in Maori language. It will have an “umlaut” over the letter “u”.

The Turks want the world to use “Türkiye”. Turks pronounce this something like “Tour-key-yeh”.

Turkish uses a Latin alphabet of 29 characters, but with these letters with diacritical marks (also known as diacritics or glyphs): Ç, Ğ, I, İ, Ö, Ş and Ü.

The debate goes on. English language tends to be two faced in this policy. We stay with “Rome” for “Roma”, “Warsaw” for Warsawa, “Munich” for “München”, but have dropped “Bombay,” replacing it with Indians’ “Mumbai”.

If we are going to use “Türkiye” in NZ, next the suggestion may be we use “Gelibolu” for Gallipoli.

“Gelibolu” mentions on our 25 April Anzac Day? Pronounced, very roughly like, Gelly-boll-ee (hard “G”). I doubt it.
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