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Souvlaki

So, it appears ,,,

[ Mod : politicians’ families are off limits. A spell in the dogboa awaits if yoiu do it again ]
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December 26, 2021 8:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Souvlaki-
  Another article which might be unfavourable to the Labour Party is paywalled by the NZ Herald.
  Has the Herald received an increased financial incentive recently?
  If the government is paying newspapers and other media for coverage, whether directly by taxpayer subsidies or through bulk advertising grants, then I don’t feel the need to pay extra via a paywall.
  Would be interested to know how the Herald selects and justifies its paywalled content.
  All about the money – at the expense of the news.
  And why does it have NZ at the front of its title, when it is not available to all New Zealanders?
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:21am
  - Flossie
    
    Well it is available to all. But like most things in life, you actually have to pay for it. It is after all a business not a public service.
    Having said that I acknowledge its faults.
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “like most things in life, you actually have to pay for it.”
      Apparently a concept unknown to Labour supporters.
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:58am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Agree…..notable that articles critical of Labour…..or even ‘objective’ are hidden from popular view.
    Malpass in Stuff today trying to ‘big up’ Labour for all he’s worth too. 🤪
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:29am
    - alloytoo
      
      We may find that Labour positive articles are effectively paid advertising.
      
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      November 26, 2022 8:43am
      - NothingLeft
        
        ~~We may find that~~ Labour positive articles are ~~effectively~~ paid advertising
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:39am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Will be a great celebration when Stuff goes under. Two years on and still trying to get suckers to donate to them every time they visit.
      
      Go woke go broke. Advertising revenue is okay at the moment so has no one at Stuff thought maybe their business model and left wing crusader philosophy was wrong?
      
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      November 26, 2022 8:58am
      - kowtow
        
        Remember every click on one of their sites helps to keep them on life support .
        
        I do my best not to.
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        They will be gone as soon as Labour stop funding them.
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t this the new Public Interest Journalism Fund which is another Labour/Maori Government Propaganda machine for the upcoming election ?
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    From the ministry ;
    
    “The $55 million Public Interest Journalism Fund will support New Zealand’s media to continue to produce stories that keep New Zealanders informed and engaged, and support a healthy democracy. The $55 million package will be made up of $10 million in 2020/21, $25 million in 2021/22 and $20 million in 2022/23. ”
    
    There’s another $25 mil of our money at stake. They wouldn’t want to risk that .
    Not to mention all the advertising the regime does with them.
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:40am
  - Squeek
    
    That’s what I have noticed too. Articles critical of the government are paid for by subscribers so go behind the paywall, whereas those favourable to the government are paid for by the taxpayer and go in the free part.
    
    Only subscribers see the critical articles. Since subscribers see the whole paper they may think it is ‘fair’ journalism. But in reality most people are not seeing a true balance of articles.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:30am
    - Ghost
      
      No, there are free articles on the herald critical of the government
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:33am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Gravelroad bro – you can pay money and buy Nanny Herald printed edition from a shop. They are only paywalling online content.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:14am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I know of no shops here (South Island) which stock the NZ Herald.
      
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      November 26, 2022 12:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Paywall is to hide bad stuff from the peasants.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:28am
  - Ra Henare
    
    You are Naive if you expect any media outlet to put news articles above finance.
    
    No money no honey.
    
    They need to make money to survive not satisfy your personal preferences.
    
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    November 26, 2022 3:38pm
- Southern Raider
  
  So Treasury formally warned Robbo in writing and yet being Labour still carried on
  
  What is the interest cost of that $2B
  
  How much did that $2B cost in OCR points as it was all spent in the economy by consumers over a very short period
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:28am
- redeye
  
  Can I suggest this cracker of a column on Breaking Views by Graham Adams.
  I dont imagine it will make it into Stuff and NZH so spreading here will help expand it’s audience.
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/11/graham-adams-we-need-to-talk-about.html
  
  Ardern’s denial reminded me of a three-year-old niece who, when asked why her name had appeared on the wall of her bedroom written in red crayon, claimed a visiting friend had done it — even while she was clutching a red crayon in her own hand. Her young friend had yet to learn to write.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:55am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, And thats why all Politicians should be phychometric tested before Joe Public casts a vote.
    All would be revealed instead of relying on a Facebook profile.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:21am
  - Prince
    
    Can you imagine any of the giggling groupies from TVNZ or Stuff actually reading the legislation as Soper had, let alone challenging Ardern about it ?
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:51am
  - nathie
    
    Note the similarities with Ardern’s/Labour’s disinformation tactics i.e. outright denial of the truth (of a situation) and that of authoritarian countries (Putin/Russia or Xi/China or North Korea or Iran or Cuba or Venezuela etc etc) …. they are identical!
    
    Note: I said Ardern/Labour’s outright denial of the truth (which has been a continuous trait over the last 5 years) …. NOT that Ardern/Labour are the same totalitarian like those others.
    
    But slippery slopes do come to mind!
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:09am
    - Ra Henare
      
      You forgot to add Federal USA, and UK in your list
      
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      November 26, 2022 3:40pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    It is also on The Platform opinion page.
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:08pm
- Paulus
  
  Still called “Creative Accounting”
  No change there.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:28am
Benedict Yu

The recent climate talks in Egypt agreed to a climate change compensation fund. Rich countries will be paying poor countries for the damage done by climate change.

It is an astonishing shakedown. Incredibly, Australia led the negotiations. New Zealand was quick to jump on board.

Poor countries do face environmental challenges. Because they are poor and poor countries generally don’t give a damn about the environment.

Take Pakistan. The recent catastrophic floods were catastrophic because of massive population growth on flood plains. Since independence in 1948, Pakistan has cut down nearly all of its forests.

The floods in Pakistan killed about 2,000 people. To put that in context, about 5,000 people in Pakistan die every year from rabies after being bitten by stray dogs.

120,000 people die ever year in Pakistan from hepatitis. All preventable from a vaccine. Yes a vaccine that actually works.

The point is that “climate change” is way down on the list of the troubles facing Pakistan.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27024

To conclude, a fun fact. In the last 8 years, China has produced more emissions than the UK produced over 220 years since the beginning of the industrial revolution. 🤡

https://www.share-talk.com/china-has-pumped-out-more-pollution-in-8-years-than-the-uk-has-in-220-years/
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November 26, 2022 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Incredibly, Australia led the negotiations.’
  
  Why incredible. It’s Labor ruled .
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:11am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    From Australian journalist Ben Fordham
    
    From today – until the year 2030…
    
    We need to install 22,000 new solar panels – a day.
    
    60 million in total.
    
    We need to build 40 giant wind farms every month.
    
    And 10,000 kilometres of new transmission lines across the country.
    
    They’re not my figures.
    
    They are the figures provided by Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
    
    He’s the Mayor of fantasy land.
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:45am
    - Nickc2
      
      Bowen is out of the same mould as James Shaw. They are both idiots clinging to anything for notoriety and of course a wallet full of personality (money).
      
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      November 26, 2022 8:52am
      - kowtow
        
        You’d wonder if these Labor Loons are afraid of losing votes to their left , the Greens ,and are trying to outloon the loons , in order to stay in power.
        
        It just doesn’t make any sense , unless they’re loons.
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:17am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Wonder how those figures would change if you added nuclear power into the mix?
      
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      November 26, 2022 8:55am
    - Flossie
      
      How much energy would it take to provide all that new infrastructure?
      And the pollution!
      I don’t know how many solar panels there are already in Australia but it has to be many millions so how many per capita are needed to run a population of 25m?
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:07am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Good thing politicians cant change the laws of thermodynamics. Australia will need to keep coal and gas or build nuclear. Or the power will go out. I think it will take the latter before anything changes.
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Same in NZ. Nothing until it is cold and dark, then go nuclear.
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:56am
      - 103PapPap
        
        Remember South Australia. Committed to solar and wind, wound down their coal powered electricity.
        Then one night the wind stopped blowing, and guess what?
        Had to get Elon Musk to build a HUGE battery, which provided backup electricity storage for 6 (yes, SIX) minutes.
        
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        November 26, 2022 11:36am
    - I remember when
      
      Might the answer to ‘climate change’ be –
      mitigating infrastructure that doesn’t have such a massive affect on the environment.
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:35am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Only a small part of the equation – that’s if you think Man Made Climate Change is a reality (which it isn’t)
        
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        November 26, 2022 10:27am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Definitely more effective than trying to turn an imaginary global thermostat knob.
        
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        November 26, 2022 7:42pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Exactly, the Australian Labor Party have gone into warp drive over climate change, aided and abetted by New Zealand Labour. It’s their flagship policy and the no.1 item on their agenda.
    
    The mining sector has been given notice. Solid fuel power stations are being rundown and decommissioned. If Aussies think their power bills are expensive now, they ain’t seen nothing yet. Get set for a decade of energy hell.
    
    What do people think Jacinda and Albo were talking about behind the scenes when she was over there with a bunch of her Ministers, including Shaw, a couple of months back?
    
    What a shame the UN just threw a major spanner in the works revising it’s modelling down to just 2.5 degree increased warming at 2100. Which is nowhere near the 4-5 degree predicted climate catastrophe the alarmists have gone on about forever. Nor the stupid Al Gore 8.5 prediction.
    
    The only way to stop this madness is to publicise the new UN science and force these activist governments to back down on policies that will destroy our economies.
    
    The Platform has an interview on the new UN report and a piece in the opinion section linking to the UN report.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:24am
    - Phronesis
      
      Most people don’t realise that the 2.5 degree warming is since pre-industrial times. We have already had 1.5 degrees of that 2.5, in other words we are more than halfway through climate Armageddon (and I feel fine).
      
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      November 26, 2022 10:15am
- Nukuleka
  
  And within the contemporary ‘newspeak’ world in which we now live, Benedict, all the concrete facts that you enumerate would be labeled ‘disinformation’ or ‘misinformation’ by the likes of our current PM. Sheesh.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That goes for anything that Jaspinda disagrees with.
    Nasty piece of work.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:06am
- alloytoo
  
  The infrastructure and industrial base of many of this so called “poor” countries dwarfs that of NZ.
  
  Why should we pay them a red cent?
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Many of these places will have relatively huge miltary budgets and even space and nuclear weapon ambitions .
    
    Why are we subsidising them when in any event these places are so corrupt all we’re doing is subsidising the already very rich elites in those places while we have huge socio – economic problems of our own.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:21am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    alloytoo – because it “feelzgood” and it makes a nice headline for the sheep who still think Brenda is “kind and caring.”
    “Awww…..isn’t she nice?! Giving those poor brown people some money!”
    Or something along those lines.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:43am
- pdm
  
  If you want to hear some good old common sense on climate change google The Country or Dr Tom Sheahan and listen to his interview with Jamie McKay earlier in the week.
  
  Dr Sheahan is a realist and a breath of fresh air who had the activists squirming in the facebook comments.
  
  Sorry I can not get the link to work.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:25am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    I hope Jamie McKay is sorry for energetically encouraging people to vote Labour at the last election. He has brought a lot of this crap upon New Zealanders.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:40am
    - Ghost
      
      No, he hasn’t brought anything on New Zealander’s, did he put a gun to your head and tell you how to vote? People responsible for how they voted in elections are the people who casted their votes how they did.
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:49am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Not me. I never voted for Labour in either 2017 or 2020 (or for two decades before that) but I certainly know people who did in 2020, on advice of a number of farmers. It would be a fair bet to say that these farmers were either listening to Jamie McKay on his rural radio show directly, or they got the ‘received wisdom’ via other farmers.
        
        I don’t blame the farmers-they thought they were voting strategically to keep out the Greens by giving Labour a mandate to act alone. But they made the mistake of treating the election like it was a FPP scenario.
        
        Many of these farmers are older and have never really got their heads around MMP and how that throws up the need for whole different approach to vote casting. Jamie McKay on the other hand is a broadcaster, and I think in that role would have had the opportunity to access more strategic advice much more easily. Obviously he either was very badly advised by someone and passed on that advice to his listeners, or he just made it up himself.
        
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        November 26, 2022 10:40pm
  - Mike H S
    
    Also listen to Leighton Smith’s podcast this week.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:41am
- Southern Raider
  
  Yes it does appear that many nations claiming climate change impacts have actually just seen a free money tree from the west
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:25am
- Nickc2
  
  The whole thing sounds like a rort to me, where the transfer of wealth is the ultimate goal with the UN clipping the ticket on the way through.
  How are they going to determine what is attributable to Man Made Climate Change? It’s not as if rain, wind, earthquakes, etc are new and climate-related eh?
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Nickc2 – no doubt a rhetorical question? It’s the greatest scam in the existence of our planet. We are being gaslit on what would be an unimaginable scale – except it is happening right now. Hence the confusion, disorientation etc of many of us. So many irrational events piling up, one on top of the other. We are becoming like stunned mullets, rabbits in headlights. It is intentional.
    We all need to stay focused. This IS the NWO in action. This IS the “Great Reset.” What has happened is they have become confident that they have put everything in place and are becoming bolder in their actions and speech. It will be their ultimate downfall, as it has been for all who have tried it throughout history. However it WILL do an incredible amount of damage to humanity in the process. Many will die, many will be negatively affected. These people are delusional, narcissistic Malthusians who have been groomed for their positions over many decades.
    For a comprehensive analysis of it all I highly recommend this latest post on Whitney Webb’s excellent blog, ‘Unlimited Hangout’.
    
    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/11/investigative-reports/the-club-of-rome-and-the-rise-of-the-predictive-modelling-mafia/?ref=Unlimited Hangout-newsletter
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:49am
    - Phronesis
      
      There’s no doubt they see an opportunity post Covid to make their move. It had to be in the next decade or so as there’s only so long you can sustain end of the world claims for before people start ignoring you. Public concern over climate change is declining in many countries and the whole thing is politically unsustainable for much longer so they are going hard while they can.
      
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      November 26, 2022 10:22am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree. What will the next scam be? We’re at the end of the Covid-19 scam and another scam is urgently needed to justify theft from the public purse.
      I wonder if the scam we are currently running in NZ will catch on worldwide whereby the first inhabitants of all countries own the water and any infrastructure involved in its distribution and use.
      
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      November 26, 2022 12:42pm
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        Does this count? Our first inhabitants are now apparently speaking for multiple other first inhabitants the world over. Not sure the other first inhabitants are actually aware they’ve been colonised!
        
        https://www.teaomaori.news/maori-spearheading-representation-indigenous-people-japan
        
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        November 26, 2022 10:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  China is exempt because they claim ‘Developing Nation’ status
  Surely, after all of Labours good work, we could claim Third World status and get money too.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:52am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    NZ should claim _un_developing status. Progress backwards has been going well recently.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Think of how far backwards NZ will go if Labour should win the next Election, Another 3 years to fuck over NZ twice what they have done now.
      
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      November 26, 2022 10:13am
- Master Mariner
  
  “636 oil and gas lobbyists registered to attend the COP27 event in Egypt, a 25 per cent jump on the number at last year’s conference.”
  
  https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/11/10/fossil-fuel-lobbyists-outnumber-almost-every-national-delegation-at-cop27-data-shows
  
  COP27 was attended by WEF’S Klaus and the Pandemic expert Bill Gates.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:57am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    …& over 100 private jet planes
    https://www.bbc.com/news/63544995
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Egyptian sources say 400 private jets. They did not say how many public and airforce jets. The fuel use is horrendous. Cop27 is a joke.
      We better have a COP thing in NZ. Where the hell are we going to put 400+ planes?
      
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      November 26, 2022 10:21am
      - The Housekeeper
        
        How funny if their jets couldn’t take off because of all the climate protesters glued to their wheels.
        
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        November 26, 2022 11:44am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And of course the poor countries in question are considerably richer than they would have been without the rich countries doing what they have done.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The poor countries will upgrade their military with new planes, buy some more BMWs, build a few mansions for the elite. The person at the bottom will still be starving and sick.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:24am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  And those floods would have occurred with or without ‘climate change’.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:11am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  Just listen to this one – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNBHMSWr4R8&t=54s
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:29am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Give us a clue what’s in it!
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:43am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      #ThePlatformNZ
      “Simon Court on the UN’s climate change backpedaling.”
      
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      November 26, 2022 12:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If Maori succeed with 5 waters, they can pay for any damage caused by water.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:51am
  - nathie
    
    6 waters surely, can’t have bottled water exempt (after all, water is water, the lawyers will argue … so no exemptions)!
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:51am
- SpencerArnold
  
  What people need to understand is that doing without oil in a modern society is about as close as space warp drive.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  BY – Cindy strongly believes if we pay more tax emissions can be reduced.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:13am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It would appear she simply supports whatever the “progressive” (IE in reality regressive) mob runs with.
    
    Low. Resolution. Thinker.
    
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    November 26, 2022 12:43pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  It’s all just the same old same old. Let’s pull down the west and the most successful civilisation in history . Then we will build back a fairer society built on compassion and kindness that will succeed this time because there will be nothing left to compare it with. There will be of course losers but it’s ok the ends justify the means. Most of the deaths resulting from this bullshit will be amongst the poor and lower middle classes so it’s ok because it serves them right for not supporting us when we were offering class struggle.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – I found this an extremely interesting and in depth analysis of this whole scam. As with the covid fraud (which is likely intrinsically linked to the man made global warming fraud) this has all been enabled by the clairvoyants like Hendy and his idol Neil Ferguson and their “predictive modeling” insanity.
  
  The Club of Rome and the Rise of the “Predictive Modelling” Mafia
  
  While many are now familiar with the manipulation of predictive modelling during the COVID-19 crisis, a network of powerful Malthusians have used the same tactics for the better part of the last century in order to sell and impose their agenda.
  
  This has been planned and implemented over many years. It is not a conspiracy, it is the only explanation for the current insane policies in so many fields right around the world.
  
  https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/11/investigative-reports/the-club-of-rome-and-the-rise-of-the-predictive-modelling-mafia/?ref=Unlimited+Hangout-newsletter
  
  It is a long read, but I found it incredibly insightful. The names who crop up and their links are clearly shown. It has been an evolutionary process, and the likes of Ardern, Trudeau, Sunak etc are just cogs within this machine.
  
  Neil Ferguson’s record of predictive modeling gives clairvoyants a degree of respectability.
  
  Neil went to work producing statistical models extrapolating linear trend lines into the future and came to the conclusion that over 150,000 people would be dead by the disease unless 11 million sheep and cattle were killed. Farms were promptly decimated by government decree and Neil was awarded an Order of the British Empire for his service to the cause by creating scarcity through a manufactured health crisis.
  
  In 2002, Neil used his mathematical models to predict that 50,000 people would die of Mad Cow Disease which ended up seeing a total of only 177 deaths.
  
  In 2005, Neil again aimed for the sky and predicted 150 million people would die of Bird Flu. His computer models missed the mark by 149,999,718 deaths when only 282 people died of the disease between 2003-2008.
  
  In 2009, Neil’s models were used again by the UK government to predict 65,000 deaths due to Swine flu, which ended up killing about 457 people.
  
  Shaun Hendy in NZ repeatedly referenced Ferguson’t ridiculous models as a stamp of authority for the idiotic models presented to the NZ government.
  
  When Neil was pressed to make the code used to generate his models available to the public for scrutiny in late 2020 (after it was discovered that the code was over 13 years old), he refused to budge, eventually releasing a heavily redacted version which was all but useless for analysis.
  
  A Google software engineer with 30 years experience writing (under a pseudonym) for The Daily Skeptic analyzed the redacted code and had this to say:
  
  “It isn’t the code Ferguson ran to produce his famous Report 9. What’s been released on GitHub is a heavily modified derivative of it, after having been upgraded for over a month by a team from Microsoft and others. This revised codebase is split into multiple files for legibility and written in C++, whereas the original program was “a single 15,000 line file that had been worked on for a decade” (this is considered extremely poor practice). A request for the original code was made 8 days ago but ignored, and it will probably take some kind of legal compulsion to make them release it. Clearly, Imperial are too embarrassed by the state of it ever to release it of their own free will, which is unacceptable given that it was paid for by the taxpayer and belongs to them.”In spite of all of the evidence to demonstrate that neither covid-19 nor man-made global warming have any existence beyond the predictive computer models programmed to scare us into believing they do, it is worth asking: How have so many seemingly educated people become persuaded that COVID-19 or climate change are so existentially dangerous that we must shut down the world economy to somehow save ourselves from their supposedly apocalyptic effects?
  
  Imperial College, and Ferguson directly, were funded by none other than the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to the tune of millions of dollars. Quelle surprise.
  Hendy was funded to the tune of 5 million dollars by the NZ government.
  
  As I said, this is quite a long piece, but I cannot recommend it enough. It is certainly helping me make some sense and get some perspective re the insanity of the last 3 years in particular.
  
  I’ll leave it with this conclusion of the article. When this is understood, all of the madness happening all around us and the reasons for it becomes transparent. We are at war.
  
  Just like the WHO’s demands that national sovereignty be cancelled in order for “the greater good” to be defended by a supranational medical regime, the same argument for a world government has been championed by supporters of the man-made global warming thesis for over 50 years.
  
  Today, those “solutions” take the form of Agenda 2030, which pushes for the deconstruction of industrial civilization, the shutdown of agriculture, fossil fuels and the shackling of nations to inefficient forms of energy like windmills, solar panels and biofuels in order to ostensibly save nature from humanity.
  
  Even though she never campaigned on it, we know for fact that Ardern is a huge proponent of Agenda 2030. She does NOT work on behalf of the people of NZ.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:57am
- than
  
  There’s a lot of talk about a climate catastrophe. Look at how climate related deaths have reduced over the last 100 years. (floods, wildfires, storms and extreme temps)
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/11/22/afr-10-climate-disasters-in-5-years-cost-1-5-trillion/
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:07am
- Ra Henare
  
  As you often do Benedict. You have hit the nail on the head about Pakistan.
  Building on flood plains with tens of millions now living on said flood plains.
  
  Its a long video. 4 hours. I did it in 30 minute bytes. (But it is indexed by topic)
  
  But a great debate/discussion on the current climate change problem
  
  Bjorn Lomborg on facts
  Andrew Revkin NY Times(when it was a real newspaper) who has written extensively over 35 years on the Climate crisis and published books on the subject.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gk9gIpGvSE
  
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  November 26, 2022 3:36pm
- softail 1450
  
  B Y, Arderns cabinet has told more lies in 5 years than the entire NZ population has in 220 years.
  
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  November 27, 2022 7:54am
- Ian Boag
  
  China has produced more emissions …
  
  OTOH China leads the world in solr panel manufacture and is building more nukes than the rest of the world put together ….
  
  Go figure.
  
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  November 27, 2022 6:19pm
Souvlaki

Lets hope this is ‘fake news’….can anyone speak to its veracity ?
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/11/25/appointing-simon-bridges-to-run-rnz-tvnz-merger-is-smartest-move-labour-has-made-in-5-years/
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November 26, 2022 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  Sou, yes it reads like a Babylon Bee article but enough to excite commenters into a frenzy. One clown even suggested another commenter was being ‘racist’ for offering an opinion on Simon’s appointment.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:24am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Wouldn’t it be funny if Bridges got his feet under the desk then unwound the whole stupid thing?
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:31am
  - kowtow
    
    You mean a bit like how the Nats “unwind” the relentless drive to the left every time they get back into power ……….
    
    …….and sadly when they do get round to reforming the water ‘reforms’ the “consultation” with Maoris will be entrenched there too.
    
    Slowly slowly our constitution is changed by both parties , one is just a bit slower and stealthier than the other .
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:32am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Captain – Bridges will be busy counting his bank balance.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:16am
- Mike H S
  
  If it is true and Bridges accepts the appointment, he will go down significantly in my estimation.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:45am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Mike HS – Bridges will and Wily Willie will have him crushed under his thumb.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:17am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Don’t judge him yet. If he is offered the role and if he accepts, then wait & see what happens.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:24am
- Ghost
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300749013/simon-bridges-in-the-running-to-lead-incoming-rnztvnz-super-broadcaster
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:47am
- Nickc2
  
  Overheard between Cindy and Nanaia:
  “Pssst Nanaia, have they passed that 5Waters Bill Yet?” Nanaia replied “Nah Boss but it’s a great distraction Willy thought up about Simon Bridges eh?” //
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Twyford would be a better choice. He is good at fuckups.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:32am
- Nickc2
  
  It’s a Willie Jackson connived distraction from the 5Waters fiasco. //
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:38am
Yvette

“Racial superiority”
This is mentioned by the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Terrorist Attack on Christchurch Masjidain on 15 March 2019 in a way that should negate it as wrong.

But is it not the right term, actually, for what the Government is doing with Māori –
Promoting “racial superiority“?

But why will Maori exclusively be enabled to dictate undefined action with “Mana o te Wai” statements, to be complied with by the “rest of Us”, when the Indian Community is unable to issue संरक्षण के आदेश sanrakshan ke aadesh (or what is appropriate) – protection orders – so They are enabled to be Us and not have to protect their property behind bollards, bars and fog cannons or protest by closing dairies throughout the nation to show They are Us?
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The dairy is in Ardern’s electorate, and she has not visited the area since the death, with Kaushal writing in an opinion piece for the Herald: “Giving 16-year-olds the vote has the Prime Minister giddy with excitement while the death of a dairy worker in her own electorate generates tea and sympathy.”
He called on the Government to admit there was a “crime emergency” in New Zealand.
“There has to be a wake-up call because something is rotten that a hard-working young man who started work in a dairy, never went home to his spouse,” Kaushal wrote. “We have a crime emergency but we also have a social emergency.”
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sandringham-dairy-stabbing-two-men-arrested-sisters-plea-for-justice-absent-pm-slammed/WVZELBQEVNCRZC3XV7JOQOSC6A/
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November 26, 2022 8:10am
3-coil

Learnings from this past week:
1. Tane Mahuta is tits at running the economy of a 21st century (once was) 1st world country.
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November 26, 2022 8:13am
- Mike H S
  
  Actually, they are lessons. Learnings is a corruption of the English language, and I am sure I shall get downticks for saying this.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/In-a-Word/2021/0211/Learning-to-live-with-learnings
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Downticks? This is not The Strandard.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:36am
  - 3-coil
    
    No downticks so far Mike H S (I agree with you, and have upticked you). I should have added sarc…I just wanted to lure any wokesters to keep reading 😈
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:40am
herb1

After an accident that left me wheelchair bound for months ,and struggling with the effects and treatments from a third major brain bleed, I struggle in social settings ,trying to converse.
Spending much recovery time reading political articles and social media posts, and noting the tone of comments from Jacinda supporters, I’ve decided to become a lefty .
Once more ( actually for the first time)I will be able to walk into a room and bask in the knowledge ,that I’m the smartest person in the room
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November 26, 2022 8:20am
- Thought Criminal
  
  I hope your health improves.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:50am
  - Flossie
    
    Sorry…fat finger on the red.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:25am
- Yvette
  
  Welcome, Herb1. May you continue to recover fully and apply some of your smartest intellect here :o)
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am sure your health will improve faster being a ‘rightie’
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:39am
Master Mariner

Interview with Germany’s ex Chancellor Merkel.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germanys-merkel-says-didnt-have-political-strength-pre-invasion-ukraine-talks-2022-11-24/
https://www.rt.com/news/567189-merkel-ukraine-russia-conflict-surprise/
A couple of interesting surprises,
Namely .
1. Merkel faced criticism at home over the conflict for supposedly making the German economy too reliant on Russian gas. The ex-chancellor defended her decisions, saying that buying gas from Moscow was the best way towards a green future and the move away from coal.
2.And due to the failure of the Minsk agreement, She “Bought Time” to the inevitable war with Ukraine.
So in the mean time they never boosted there Millitary capacity and still “Strongly” pushed ahead for the Nord Stream 2 pipeline further relying on Russian Energy meanwhile pushing ahead with crippling renewables.
Hymm, Ok.
Raises far more questions than answers.
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November 26, 2022 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  She set about closing their nuke stations on the back of a Japanese earthquake , how brain dead is that.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:36am
  - Master Mariner
    
    I think that was always the plan, Using the Earth quake as a catalyst for the Green Agenda.
    Scorched Earth Policy.
    The word “Useful Idiot” springs to mind.
    The real issue is the lack of empathy regarding the War in Ukraine and the suffering she was complicit in implementing due to “Buying time”.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:48am
  - Ian Boag
    
    They also had some significant problems dealing with their nuclear waste ….
    
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    November 27, 2022 8:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump told Germany not to decommission nuclear and build more nuclear.
  He was correct, again.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:41am
pdm

The trials and tribulations of the newly elected 24 year old Gore District Council Mayor is clear evidence that the voting age should be raised to at least 30.

Chole Swarbrick is of course the trend setter in this regard but the new Gore Mayor is giving her a run for her money in the disaster stakes.
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November 26, 2022 8:28am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  What particular disasters has Swarbrick been involved in that are attributable to her age? I get that she has the usual problems of all Green MP’s, especially their disconnect from economic reality, but you are saying something different. That she is particularly disastrous due to her age.
  What in particular are you thinking about?
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:46am
  - pdm
    
    Leading the charge to legalise cannibius would be a start Wayne.
    
    The demise of the main parts of her Auckland Central Electorate eg Queen Street would be another disaster on her watch.
    
    I am confidant others will be able to add more.
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:55am
    - pdm
      
      oops cannibus.
      
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      November 26, 2022 8:56am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        oops cannabis.
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:06am
      - pdm
        
        Thanks Capt – it is not something that I know anything about – including spelling but thought it would be easier than the m word.
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:41am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I think Wayne is suggesting her policies are a disaster because she is a Green MP, rather than due to her age.
      
      I’m not sure it matters much.
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:07am
      - dubya
        
        Seymour’s and Swarbrick’s were really a tale of two referendums. One handled with respect, consultation and careful negotiation across party lines (Brooke Van Velden due a lot of the credit there). The other full of arrogance, condescension, and no compromise (I.e. decriminalisation versus legalisation).
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:24am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Both (young age and greenness) are generally liabilities for leadership (involving significant assets belonging to other people).
        
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        November 26, 2022 7:49pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        This Government shows no evidence that stupidity varies with age.
        
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        November 27, 2022 8:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      queen street credit belongs with Phil Goff and his council. Having a vote to legalise cannabis, how is allowing democracy to work and let people have their say wrong.
      
      The new gore mayor may have some problems but I also wonder how many of those problems are the older councillors not liking having such a young mayor.
      
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      November 26, 2022 9:15am
      - Mike H S
        
        I am sure the young Gore mayor would have the support of his fellow Councilors if he was doing a good job. He isn’t. He’s crap but Gore voted for him, a bit like NZ voting for Adern.
        
        Be careful what you wish for.
        
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        November 26, 2022 9:53am
      - Ghost
        
        He was sworn in 18 days ago, far to earlier to judge him.
        
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        November 26, 2022 10:01am
  - kowtow
    
    The Nats support ETS .
    
    I’d call that a disconnect from economic reality .
    
    Glass houses and all that.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Her apparent inability to respond to numerous, very polite questions from someone in her electorate has me concerned that she is possibly unable to read and write. Though with the state of the current NZ education system that’s hardly a surprise.
    She is however, like many of the younger generation today, an irrational ideologue with zero real world experience. Yet she is in a position to influence policies that can and will have serious negative effects on real people living in the real world.
    Age obviously shouldn’t be the defining criteria, but there is no doubt that youth, while often well meaning in their enthusiasm for “better” ways of doing things, in most cases do not have the experience to fully understand the long term implications of what they aspire to.
    The current crop of delusional “Stop Oil” and “Extinction Rebellion” nutters cleary and visually proves the point. Just visit Youtube and look at these nutters in action.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfnA46qtsI0
      
      Though Del Boy from Only Fools and Horses had the right response.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wKeLhr2f_44
      
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      November 26, 2022 10:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jesus H Christ. The 24 year old is an emotional trainwreck.
        Delboy is right, a dipstick and a tart.
        Remember there are thousands if not millions of these nutbars, and they VOTE!
        
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        November 26, 2022 10:50am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Bloody hell. Further confirmation we are definitely living in clown world/Idiocracy!
        
        Big giveaway with that Oscar winning performance. No tears. Next time spray onion juice into eyes.
        
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        November 26, 2022 12:51pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  At least Cannabis Chloe has only one clear agenda in her mind – make all kiwis smoke cannabis. I wonder what will be the average IQ of the Auckland central sheeple who elected Cannabis Chloe.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    IQ would be same as room temperature – and I mean Celsius
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:51am
- Ra Henare
  
  Wasnt it a guy who got elected at 19 in local council, went on to be an MP with National, then lost the plot when faced with reality. What was his name again?? Member for Botany if I recall.
  
  So starting young in politics doesn’t seem to be a good entry point for making good mature decisions as one gets older.
  
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  November 26, 2022 3:50pm
igm

So there has been an arrest for the murder of the superette worker in Auckland.
Suppose if he is one of the preferred race a Labour-appointed judge will acquit him, leave his seat, shake his hand, and wish him well!
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November 26, 2022 8:32am
- Piticus
  
  and invite him for a round of golf !!!!
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:46am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Was this person an ex prisoner who was released when Labour released ~25 percent of the prison population? If yes, then Labour killed this dairy owner with ideology.
  
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  November 26, 2022 8:54am
  - pdm
    
    No wonder Ardern headed for the Chatham Islands if that is the case.
    
    She likes to distance herself from the f/ups,
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:57am
- Southern Raider
  
  Ardern will announce more wrap around services for criminals to help them be better people
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:04am
  - Opie
    
    Hopefully that means a tyre iron wrapped around their head.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:18am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sad that we’ve all been waiting for the inevitable death arising from the recent spate of ram raids & shop robberies.
  
  This government is truly inept. Just resign, Jacinda. In your heart of hearts, you know you’re not up to it.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Our Dear PM informed us on Tuesday that we are seeing a decline in ram-raids and shop burglary.
    
    Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: Obviously, as a burglary it already attracts a maximum level of 10 years for a successful conviction. I would also point to the fact that, yes, whilst we have seen a spike, we are also starting to see a decline. In August we had 75, for the current month we are currently standing at 13. Again, I point to the fact that you have seen the police rigorously pursuing those who have undertaken this activity, and, as I say, a high proportion of prosecutions across each of those districts.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansD_20221122_20221122
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jaspinda is Full. Of. Shit.
      
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      November 26, 2022 11:08am
      - JJ56
        
        No, full of sorrow:
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-ardern-in-auckland-to-meet-community-after-tragic-dairy-stabbing/QJBJEWJN35AOZN2JLT3OMC3XLI/
        
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        November 26, 2022 3:30pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @JJ56.
        Around the 11 minute mark Jaspinda gets a bit angry. Nothing new but she gets her tits in a tangle and the voice tone changes.
        Also after that she “insures” things. Do they not have a Teacher on the left that could point out the difference between “insure” and “ensure”?
        Jaspinda can not “insure” NZ against anything. “ensure” NZ – well we can ensure there will be many more lies?
        
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        November 26, 2022 5:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Not a lawyer , but once charged doesn’t it become sub judice and comments are off ?
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cuddles Coster is appointing the Dudge now.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:52am
Yvette

“Racial superiority”
Chris Trotter, in an article re-posted on The Platform [1] quotes from the Report of the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Terrorist Attack on Christchurch Masjidain on 15 March 2019, the term “racial superiority“, which the Commission, among five other recommendations, said should be added with “racial hatred and racial discrimination” to the list of grounds for classifying a publication as objectionable under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classification Act 1993.

Nothing further seems to have happened with this term “racial superiority“.

But is it not the right term, actually, for what the Government is doing with Māori –
Promoting “racial superiority“?

■ Willie Jackson says democracy has changed, co-governance is good, Act leader is a ‘hypocrite
Willie Jackson says democracy has changed from being the tyranny of the majority and people need to stop being scared of co-governance. [2]

■ Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson slams ‘one person, one vote’ outrage
What makes this struggle for equality under the Treaty so much more difficult is when our colleagues in opposition pull political stunts to manipulate Kiwi ignorance of our past by weaponising “one person, one vote”. [3]

■ Ms Tipa Mahuta chairs the Maori Advisory Council (already established) which presides over Taumata Arowai, the Water Regulator (also already established), which in turn will preside over the Four Regional “3 Waters” Entities (currently being legislated for) – with “Te Mana o te Wai” statements, available only to Maori, being a device fur “total governance”.

See? – “Racial superiority” is a factor in New Zealand society and as a nation.
In areas outside those defined as pertaining to Maori only, the Treaty in Article 3, the Crown promised to Māori the benefits of royal protection and full citizenship. This text emphasises equality.

To turn that into co-governance now means 17 percent of the population must raise to equal 50 percent, and 83 percent diminish to also equal 50 percent. – a ratio of 3 to 0.6 or more simply: 5 to 1.

As another has said –
The “partnership” canard has now been parlayed by radicals into the idea that there are two separate sovereignties in New Zealand, through creative massaging of the meaning of words (kawanatanga and rangatiratanga) in the Maori [Treaty] text. This appears to provide the basis for the racist fantasy known as ‘He Puapua’, which informs Labour’s legislative agenda.

This country is heading for disaster, one manufactured by people who proclaim they have only good intentions. Anyone who tries to draw attention to the absurdity of dividing the country by race has been marginalised and silenced.

“He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind”.

Shall Jacinda inherit this as well?
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[1] https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/the-most-pertinent-question
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/willie-jackson-says-democracy-has-changed-co-governance-is-good-act-leader-is-a-hypocrite/VZZAIF66LH76WWEXUXUXAZQ3XA/
[3] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-development-minister-willie-jackson-slams-one-person-one-vote-outrage/PWAXX3ZYL6RZJZL5DBBAAHGZIM/
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November 26, 2022 8:39am
- NothingLeft
  
  “He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind”
  
  There is indeed a flatulent stench wafting from the Racist MP’s of Labour.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:52am
Wayne Mapp

What particular disasters has Swarbrick been involved in that are attributable to her age? I obviously understand she has all the issues associated with all Green MP’s, mostly notably their disconnection from any form of real world economics, but you are saying something different. That she is a particularly disastrous MP because she is too young.
What in particular do you have in mind?
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November 26, 2022 8:41am
Thought Criminal

Princess la la land hiding in the Chatham Islands has rejected reality again. How does she sleep at night?

When asked how she responded to criticism that the Government and police are not doing enough to support shop owners, Ardern said “I would obviously reject that”
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November 26, 2022 9:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Of course she would “obviously reject that” because if she didn’t she’d have blood on her hands.
  
  But it’s clear that the dairy owner, twice turned down for funding for fog cannons under a scheme devised by her government, has been let down. The Prime Minister cannot simply walk away; the buck for all decisions made by her government stops with her.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:08am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In my job, I can’t just say that I reject or ‘refude’ something. I need to explain why. My explanation needs to be credible.
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:15am
    - Oskar
      
      From this article from The Platform
      https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/we-need-to-talk-about-jacinda
      
      “In an essay on free speech published last month, former District Court judge David Harvey assessed the Prime Minister’s character: “Ms Ardern is possessed of a high sense of the righteousness of her cause. She does not debate ideas. She rejects them or refutes the premises of opposition without engaging in debate. She therefore avoids confronting the uncomfortable reality that she may be wrong. And by rejecting and refuting she adopts an air of superiority that views dissent as evil.”
      
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      November 26, 2022 10:02am
    - Its only I
      
      Interesting isn’t it. Zero credibility requirement.
      Engineered her image as the archetypal woman, requires an extraordinarily rare artificial space to do it in and is admired by the shallow end of the, “You Go Girl” pool. Like, OMG, like, did you see what she was wearing, like, OMG right?
      
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      November 26, 2022 10:17am
  - Southern Raider
    
    As per normal she will throw someone else under the bus. This time it will be the Police
    
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    November 26, 2022 9:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Police objected those fog cannons.
      I thought this would help the Police in the long term, but no, we have stupid decisions all the time.
      
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      November 26, 2022 11:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She ran away to the Chathams to open a museum.
  Oh, and while she was there, gave away a $13M Treaty Settlement..
  Buying votes of course.
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:16am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Don’t just whinge about it in an echo chamber Steve. ….
    
    Donate some $$ to your favourite party … Get out there and knock on doors. Of course it’s easier just to whinge and moan and slag off the PM. That’s a sure fire way to persuade lots of people to not vote for Labour 🙂
    
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    December 27, 2021 6:30pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    That’s unbelievable! Maori were the last to arrive on the Chathams. Moriori, then Europeans, then Maori.
    
    Why are Maori getting a settlement and land transferred to them? There was wholesale slaughter of Moriori by Maori. Where is the redress, settlement, apology from Maori to Moriori? And why do Maori never include Moriori when they talk about the claim of irrefutable rights of First Nations peoples?
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:45pm
Southern Raider

Anyone else concerned that as a society we seem to have blindly accepted roller doors, bollards, CCTV and fog cannons are just the cost of being safe?

Same goes for Police who tell tradies it’s their fault their tools got stolen from their ute’s.

Seems to me we are just driving society towards townships and gated communities which is counter to our culture.

How about instead of blaming a murder on the lack of a fog cannon we address the real issues eg fucked up children from fucked up families and proper sentencing when you commit any crime
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November 26, 2022 9:07am
- Yvette
  
  Southern Raider – How about instead of blaming a murder on the lack of a fog cannon we address the real issues eg fucked up children from fucked up families and proper sentencing when you commit any crime
  
  a a cultural appropriation –
  A Cherokee legend says an elder tells his grandson about life.
  “Grandson,” he says, “Within all of us there is a battle of two wolves. One is evil. He is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, guilt, greed, arrogance, self-pity, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”
  He continued, “The other wolf is good. He is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.”
  “The same fight is going on inside of you, and inside every other person, too”
  The Grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his Grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
  The Grandfather simply replied, “The one you feed.”
  
  For Jacinda’s next kindergarten visit? – What does my Government feed?
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good story. I will send it to one of my angry friends on Facebook. 🙂
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:23am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Why are you still supplying FB with oxygen?
      
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      November 26, 2022 7:50pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I have many Alaskan friends there. Some are older and do not use the young platforms.
        
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        November 27, 2022 11:58am
- kowtow
  
  It’s certainly “un Kiwi”.
  
  Our society has changed rapidly and not for the better.
  
  Instead of talking about imported disinformation/ misinformation surely the theme should be “what’s happened to NZ” and how can we fix it.
  
  Talking of imported culture , I see the Ferald is promoting the presence of a “rainbow” float in the Farmers Santa Parade , that’s perverse.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:45am
- Flossie
  
  I lived in a third world country for several years in the 80s. It was a total culture shock seeing the roller doors and barred windows on the shops – and some houses. CCTV not around then, and no need for bollards as not many had vehicles.
  I used to be very homesick for my free country!
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:47am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ditto
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:29am
  - 103PapPap
    
    Went to Manila on business about 20 years ago. Walking to work each day I observed that every retail place had a security guard with a shotgun.
    If it was a financial organisation (bank, credit club), the security guard had a large machine gun.
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:55am
    - Flossie
      
      Is that next for us I wonder.
      
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      November 26, 2022 12:52pm
    - Oskar
      
      Ditto
      First trip to Hong Kong about 30 years ago many places – especially stores selling things like camera’s and jewelry – had a big Sikh sitting outside with a baseball bat across his knees.
      And similar to 103PapPap I was in Manila around 20 years ago. It seemed strange going into a McDonalds and a man with a shotgun was sitting just inside the door.
      
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      November 26, 2022 1:47pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      I’ve also worked in Manila.
      
      Security checks and names taken getting into lifts and checks on each floor stop in case of kidnap. Taxi number plates security checked before departure and destination recorded in case of kidnap. No travelling in the canvas canopied public transport in case of bombs or shooters which happened from time to time. Kidnapping and ransom risk every time using an ATM. That one’s a sure bet.
      
      You get used to it pretty quickly though. Either that or be scared to death and hide away instead.
      
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      November 27, 2022 12:03am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Haha Flossie
    
    The world has reversed.
    I moved to SE Asia to get away from the craphole now known as Aotearoa.
    
    Here family is number one. Respect for elders stops a lot of stupid behaviour from silly youngsters.
    A clip across the ear is still practiced regularly and no social welfare breeds self reliance
    
    Yep. New Zealand is great landscape, but the politics and crap people have spoiled it for me.
    Oh and the crap winter weather (Tropics is warm and sunny most days 🙂 🙂
    
    Unfortunately will be back i early next year for more crap politics and declining communities of good keen kiwis
    
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    November 26, 2022 3:58pm
- Prince
  
  And instructions to Police not to chase kids who have stolen a car and are driving through town at 180kph.
  These deaths, assaults, ram raids, hit & run etc are a natural consequence.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:58am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maybe if all town speed limits were reduced to 30 they would be easier to catch?
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 cars stolen from Glenfield Mall last night.
    Level 4. No security cameras.
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:32am
I remember when

Lots of news items about whether 16 year-olds should get the vote.
Many claim they are intelligent enough so should get the vote.
It would be hard to argue that this is not the case.
However, perhaps the better argument is whether they have had enough worldly experience.
Have they been in employment, paid taxes, owned property, paid rates, owned a vehicle they paid for themselves, paid vehicle registration, bought the groceries, their own clothes with money they earned, the list goes on.
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November 26, 2022 9:25am
- Nickc2
  
  Have they been in employment, paid taxes, owned property, paid rates, owned a vehicle they paid for themselves, paid vehicle registration, bought the groceries, their own clothes with money they earned, the list goes on.
  Ouch, I thought for a moment you were referring to NZ’s favoured and protected race of people there.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  The bottom line is they are not adults and as such should not have the vote.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:46am
- Flossie
  
  Isn’t the argument for youth court that their brains are not yet fully developed and they know not what they do?
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:57am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Clinically as I recall.
    The brain doesn’t reach maturity until 25 years old.
    
    Ever wondered why you dont see 18 year old bus drivers.
    Would you feel safe with a 16 year old bus driver.
    
    Bus drivers have to make serious decisions every day.
    
    That why I am happy with a mature bus/taxi driver
    
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    November 26, 2022 4:10pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Depends how long he has been driving – experience, not his age or this brain development nonsense.
      
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      November 27, 2022 8:41pm
- NothingLeft
  
  We should change the definition of proper adulthood to be the point where you have paid $50k in income tax – ie started contributing significantly to the community. No having kids or voting until you have.
  
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  November 26, 2022 9:59am
- Southern Raider
  
  Fundamental for me is that voting causes consequences (good or bad)
  
  What 16 year old has enough life experience and made enough bad decisions to properly think through the implications of who they are voting for?
  
  Hell half the adult population in 2020 even struggled with the consequences and now crying a river
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Teens get their brains taken out when 13.
  They get it back at 23.
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:26am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I had a look at voting ages. There are a few countries that have 16 year olds voting/. However I could only find one developed country – Austria. (It was not a thorough search.)
  
  https://www.euronews.com/2018/09/11/what-does-voting-at-16-change-the-case-of-austria
  
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  November 26, 2022 12:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This may help….
    
    http://chartsbin.com/view/re6
    The majority of countries in the World have voting delayed until 18 yrs of age.)
    
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    November 26, 2022 8:56pm
- Jack5
  
  Until Maori and non-Maori life expectancy is equal, Maori should get the vote at 12, and non-Maori at 30.
  
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  November 26, 2022 1:23pm
Yvette

Southern Raider – How about instead of blaming a murder on the lack of a fog cannon we address the real issues eg fucked up children from fucked up families and proper sentencing when you commit any crime

a a cultural appropriation –
A Cherokee legend says an elder tells his grandson about life.
“Grandson,” he says, “Within all of us there is a battle of two wolves. One is evil. He is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, guilt, greed, arrogance, self-pity, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.”
He continued, “The other wolf is good. He is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.”
“The same fight is going on inside of you, and inside every other person, too”
The Grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his Grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The Grandfather simply replied, “The one you feed.”

For Jacinda’s next kindergarten visit? – What does my Government feed?
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November 26, 2022 9:33am
I remember when

Unbalanced:
Kelvin Davis takes a tumble embarking from plane at Chatham Islands.
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November 26, 2022 10:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  A bit hopeful, but how high off the ground was it?
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:19am
- Its only I
  
  No excuse for the “where am I” expression though.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Same look as Joe Biden.
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:37am
Purple Panther

I participated in the “we would like your opinion” article about the Qatar World cup.
Their three main points they raised for discussion were – Banning Gay Rights, Abuse of Migrant worker & Banning beer.
So I listed my opinions as bellow to the 3 points….

– Banning gays: No Problem with it – should be done in every country.
– Migrant workers: If the dealths reported in western media are true – it’s a dreadful abuse of human lives.
– Banning Beer: A tragedy – now fans are forced to just watch football.

And now my stuff account has been removed… Which sort of defeats the purpose of asking the public for their opinion 😄

Guess I shouldn’t have mocked the football fans
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November 26, 2022 10:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’ve been a huge Liverpool FC and football supporter for 55 years or so. I’ve barely watched a game of this stupid World Cup. It’s virtue signaling shit and the whole thing is a political circus. The England team “taking the knee” because they weren’t allowed to wear “rainbow” armbands was nauseating. I hate it.
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Those overpaid ball kickers have been “taking a knee” for ages .
    Well past time for them to just get back to their core business .
    
    But as for making political statements I’ve seen plenty in the media about gays , beer and migrant workers but nothing of Qatar’s involvement in funding ISIS.
    
    The folk who’ve engaged in actual genocide and any number of appalling other abuses etc
    
    The hypocrisy of all involved , be it fifa , the players ,the media , the sponsors and any number of govts who suck up to the Gulf states for money …..
    
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    November 26, 2022 1:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m becoming a fan of Michael Bassett.

It’s time for more of us to refer to Jacinda’s twaddle:

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-jacinda-s-twaddle-about-holding-parents-to-account
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November 26, 2022 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Manners and Respect are now gone.
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:41am
- Ra Henare
  
  Benefits introduced in the 70s in many western countries(NZ included) started the decline in the family as societies handbrake on bad behavior.
  
  Go live in a 3rd world country with none of this social welfare crap and see that the family is still the stronghold of good behavior.
  
  Oh and Jails are shit pits that nobody wants to be incarcerated in. Not a holiday home for crims.
  
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  November 26, 2022 4:22pm
Yvette

Who gave Te Uru Taumatua permission to burn down government owned infrastructure in Te Urewera?
And was that permission legal?
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November 26, 2022 10:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who gave Te Uru Taumatua permission to burn down government owned infrastructure in Te Urewera?
  
  Kirsti Luke, C.E. of TUT.
  
  And was that permission legal?
  Possibly.
  
  The TUT trust is responsible to the Te Urewera Board which has responsibility for the management of Te Urewera.
  
  The High Court halt on any further hut removal will (possibly) sort out whether TUT has acted beyond their powers.
  
  Detailed article on this matter was run in the Gisborne Herald last week.
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20221117/kirsti-luke/
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:08am
mandk

Where is our cowardly Prime Minister hiding today?
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November 26, 2022 10:25am
- Ghost
  
  In Auckland going to Sandringham this afternoon
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:27am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    A trip to the local shops, one hopes, to give her the opportunity to refude their lived experience.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:31am
  - mandk
    
    Only after arrests were made.
    
    She’s still a coward.
    
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    November 26, 2022 10:42am
  - kevn
    
    @Ghost…. Now the perp has been nabbed. Cuddles will also be there I’m guessing.
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:22am
    - kowtow
      
      Innocent until proven guilty .
      
      I’m surprised this stuff gets past moderation.
      
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      November 26, 2022 1:07pm
      - Ghost
        
        Why shouldn’t it get past moderation? Is anyone saying anything to jeopardise that case? Looks to me like the comment is actually attacking a police commissioner who seems to be doing little for crime.
        
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        November 26, 2022 1:32pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    That nice Mr Luxon has already dropped by to pay his respects. The PM is behind the eight ball on this one.
    
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    November 26, 2022 1:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Going home to Sandringham.
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:44am
dave_c_

“Emergency Police Emergency”
I guess we can say the Police are now employing dillwits, confidently.
Saw the picture of the Police tape erected around the dairy, when their investigation commenced.
The new normal huh?? Upside down obviously meets the standard these days.
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November 26, 2022 10:35am
- Ghost
  
  Oh no the tape was upside down, quick someone call who ever during a murder investigation gives a fuck how the tape is placed. Btw the police arrested last night two people for the crime, so why attack the police?
  
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  November 26, 2022 10:37am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    It shows shoddy workmanship. It would not have taken any more effort or time to put the police emergency warning tape the right side up. If the police want the public to believe that they take their job seriously then do it right. If the police use a contractor to do the job, get the contractor to do it right.
    
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    November 26, 2022 5:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      No, it shows people being pathetic and attacking the police because the tape isn’t how they want it. Some of you people will whinge and bitch no matter what. A person was murdered, the police caught the people responsible and because you can’t sit here and bitch about that you decide to bitch about the tape.
      
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      November 26, 2022 5:47pm
Ghost

Is it really a war crime to bomb a countries power infrastructure?

The Pentagon on Wednesday slammed Russia’s barrage of missile strikes across Ukrainian cities and said that Moscow’s deliberate targeting of energy infrastructure is a war crime.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/16/targeting-of-ukrainian-energy-grid-is-a-war-crime-pentagon-says.html

If so

Coalition bombing raids destroyed Iraqi civilian infrastructure. 11 of Iraq’s 20 major power stations and 119 substations were totally destroyed, while a further six major power stations were damaged.[49][50] At the end of the war, electricity production was at four percent of its pre-war levels. Bombs destroyed the utility of all major dams, most major pumping stations, and many sewage treatment plants, telecommunications equipment, port facilities, oil refineries and distribution, railroads and bridges were also destroyed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_air_campaign#Infrastructure_bombing
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November 26, 2022 10:43am
- Jack5
  
  MMM … could the Russians bring up the fire raid on Tokyo on March 9-10, 1945, that killed 100,000 civilians, or the Allied raids on Hamburg (15,000 dead), or Dresden (22,000 to 25,000 dead).
  
  Well no, the Russians don’t have moral leverage, given their extreme brutality in the former East Prussia, and then the Red Army rape of hundreds of thousands of German women.
  
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  November 26, 2022 2:56pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Its different when the West(USA) does it.
  
  Hence the USA not allowing themselves to be subject to the International Court of Justice.
  
  I treat all announcements from the US & UK re the Ukrainian Conflict as pure propaganda.
  
  So the Dambusters raid on the German dams in WW2 was a war crime???
  
  Get real. Would you rather the Russians mass bomb Ukrainian cities like the Allies did in Germany and Japan during WW2.
  
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  November 26, 2022 5:16pm
Maggie Pie

Are We Having Fun Yet?

😀 😀 😀
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November 26, 2022 10:47am
- nathie
  
  @ Maggie Pie, please reassure us Kiwibloggers that you or your partner’s BMW (or MR2) were not damaged by these drifting idiots the other day! 😉
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/z0mtnw/expensive_crash_today_in_the_city_of_sails/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:18am
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe they were the drifting idiots?
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:44am
    - Ghost
      
      Not sure how they could drift
      
      Maggie and her partner’s new car
      
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      November 26, 2022 11:52am
      - MCōs
        
        Cheeky bugger
        
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        November 26, 2022 12:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        What you will be driving if the climate clowns continue on their current path.
        
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        November 26, 2022 12:56pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      TBH Cossie…my partner’s more of a grifter than a drifter 😀
      
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      November 26, 2022 12:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Goodness, looks to be an awful lot of love out there for an MR2. LOL!!
    
    It’s obviously nobody we’d know 🙁
    
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    November 26, 2022 11:48am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
I missed yesterdays’ post.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-ongoing-problem-with-nation-and-co-governance/
https://capebrett.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/The-ongoing-problem-of-National-and-Co-goverance.pdf
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November 26, 2022 10:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Today’s post.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dr-john-robinson-on-the-utter-chaos-being-created-by-co-goverance/
Some words of wisdom for our crazy Govt:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/John-Robinson-on-Political-Chaos-of-Co-Governance.pdf
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November 26, 2022 11:03am
Maggie Pie

And anyone else think it more than a mere coincidence, that within a matter-of-hours from me posting an accurate description on yesterdays GD of the man being sought by police in connection with the fatal stabbing in Sandringham, an arrest was made?

Just saying.
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November 26, 2022 11:12am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, if that is the case then Stuff should relinquish their prize for providing the police with the alleged offenders’ description. I mean some of the $55 million should be channelled to Remuera.
  
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  November 26, 2022 11:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, it’s quite amazing.
    Even before a full description was released, everybody I follow on various platforms were saying the alleged offender was either Maori or Pasifika.
    
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    November 26, 2022 12:17pm
oldfella

Another controversial subject our ‘brave’ local MSM won’t touch when they should be all over it.
They leave it to sites like The Standard to raise a bunch of red(?) flags.
Medical gender transition in New Zealand: How common is it really?
https://thestandard.org.nz/medical-gender-transition-in-new-zealand-how-common-is-it-really/
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November 26, 2022 11:59am
- nathie
  
  The UK’s Telegraph seems to be one of the few MSM that writes about gender transition issues. In the UK the NHS funds the transitions but what happens if a “transitioner” changes their mind?
  
  As the article is paywalled here is a snippet.
  
  A man who had a sex change operation paid for by the NHS has said he feels “betrayed” by medics who left him with lifelong pain because he did not want to be gay.
  
  Detransitioner Ritchie Herron, 35, says that he was “very vulnerable” when he told doctors and psychiatrists that he was confused over his gender.
  
  But rather than examine the homophobia that he had experienced or why he felt that way, his therapists told him that it was because he was trans, he says.
  
  Mr Herron is currently preparing a legal case against the NHS Trust which paid for the operation to remove his genitals which has left him in constant pain.
  
  “Regret is not a word that should be used for things like this. This isn’t regret, this is more than regret, this is grief, this is anger, this is betrayal,” Mr Herron told the LGB Alliance conference in central London on Friday.
  ‘It is catastrophic and has killed my confidence’
  
  He said that he “nearly bled to death” on the operating table and has since had trouble using the toilet and has no sensation.
  
  He was 26 when he had surgery to remove his penis and testicles as part of the transition from male to female.
  
  He went through a series of NHS and private clinics before having vaginoplasty in 2018 which was paid for by the NHS
  
  “It is catastrophic and it has killed my confidence,” he told the conference in central London.
  
  “I am never going to be the same ever again, there is no reversal to this, do not let anyone tell you that this can be reversed… It is criminal what they are doing to people.”
  
  Mr Herron said that he was speaking out because it “is my responsibility to raise the alarm”.
  
  He said that people often say to detransitioners that it is their own fault, that they should have done their research properly, but he added: “I wasn’t writing the assessments and I wasn’t holding the scalpel.”
  
  “I am less regretful, I am more angry,” he said. “About three months after the surgery I went to the therapist and I said ‘I think that I have made a terrible mistake here’. And he said ‘no you haven’t’.”
  ‘I did not want to be a gay man’
  
  Mr Herron said that he had been diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) before he even began thinking of transitioning and the doctors said that his regret was because of the effect of the anaesthetic on his condition.
  
  He said that the same medics had told him that his feeling that he was trans could not have been connected to his OCD, but now they were happy to blame his regret on it.
  
  “You can say I am trapped in the wrong body and they will agree,” he said. “But when you say I made a mistake they will say no, you didn’t.
  
  “One of the reasons I transitioned was because I did not want to be a gay man. I said to my therapist I cannot see myself as a man with another man, but I can see myself as a woman with a man, and she said ‘yes, that is because you are trans’.
  
  “Not because I hated myself because I am gay, not because I suffered horrific homophobia in school and growing up in the north east of England.”
  
  He said that treatment of people who question their gender needs to take a “holistic view of all the comorbidities that bring people to transition”.
  
  He said that it was “cruel to tell a child” going through puberty that they are born in the wrong body and the whole system of treatment in the UK needs to be re-examined.
  
  This person is blaming the NHS, but I suspect the NHS is allowing/promoting these transition surgeries because like all things woke it is the “right thing to do” and to question “are you sure you want to do this” will result in staff being “cancelled” or ostracised from their jobs as being “transphobic”.
  
  Now this is situation is very applicable to NZ. Although I suspect in NZ transitions aren’t as common as the UK, what I’m referring to is that recent controversy about conversion therapy where the Left (enabled by the MSM) wanted it to become a crime to even discuss conversion therapy with someone with “complex” gender issues.
  
  Sorry I can’t recall, did that provision pass into law? If so, and if NZ Health Officials then cannot discuss transitioning or gender (or mental health issues) with someone … then surely the same sort of issues highlighted by this Telegraph article will only become common in NZ?
  
  If so, imagine that for a male or woman to lose their reproductive parts, for ever, with no way of having them “restored” if they change their minds later.
  
  All because it is (or will be) illegal to have a conversation and to assess one’s mental health state due to past trauma etc.
  
  And all because of the Left, cancel culture Trans activists and the dopey cancel culture supporting NZ MSM want to shut down these conversations …
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/22/betrayed-medics-who-left-pain-didnt-want-gay-says-detransitioner/
  
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  November 26, 2022 1:13pm
- westernScientist
  
  holly sh*t, the standardites are actually being reasonable about something for once. Makes you wonder how messed up the MSM is when the standard are criticising them for being too woke.
  
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  November 26, 2022 1:19pm
rouppe

The hypocrisy of the Prime Minister.

“It is my local community so I will be looking to be present there as soon as I’m able to,” the Prime Minister said. “But I’m also very aware there’s a family grieving and there is an active police investigation into a homicide and I do need to delicately balance being in the right place in the right time.”

That didn’t seem to apply when she was down in Christchurch the next day, among 50 grieving families.

It comes down to the fact that Tarrant was a product of radicalisation overseas, and nothing could really be sheeted home to the government of the day.

Sandringham, though, is all about this government’s failure to deal with the crime happening daily.
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November 26, 2022 12:11pm
- Ghost
  
  She also hasn’t said anything or gone to Christchurch for the man stabbed to death by a teenager, or the man run over and killed in the car park last week. Are these murders not worthy of her
  
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  November 26, 2022 12:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And Never anything about the victims of gang killings.
    
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    November 26, 2022 1:19pm
    - Ghost
      
      She remains rather quiet on crime, except to make claims like ram raids are decreasing, etc etc. I have no doubt if this murder was in a different part of Auckland she would be quiet on this one too.
      
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      November 26, 2022 1:39pm
    - kowtow
      
      The gangs , collectively, are possibly the greatest scourge and danger to this country .
      
      If some clever academic ( yeah right) quantified the damage they do in terms of drugs , robbery , rape, domestic violence , assaults and murders , intimidation and the associated mental health issues etc and then went on and on about it , like they do the so called disinformation/misinformation thing then unthinking folk ( and politicians) might be shocked into doing something about it.
      
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      November 26, 2022 3:52pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    And the young man from Bethell’s murdered in the walkway in Mt Albert supposedly mental health issues. Again could be the govt policy of people who need serious help being left unsupported in our community, but who would know everything is suppressed.
    
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    November 26, 2022 2:32pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I blame Helen Clark for closing down Kimberley etc & replacing it with ‘care in the community’ but then not sufficiently funding the latter.
      
      In the faintest chance you’re reading this Helen, why don’t you sell off half of your rental house portfolio & make an appropriate donation.
      
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      November 26, 2022 6:10pm
oldfella

What a great idea. Cindy? Are you listening? //
Italians Who Refuse Job Offers Will Have Social Benefits Revoked, Meloni Warns.
Italians on unemployment benefits who turn down reasonable job offers will have their access to social security payments revoked in new laws expected to be introduced by Giorgia Meloni’s new administration.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/italians-who-refuse-job-offers-will-have-social-benefits-revoked-meloni-warns
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November 26, 2022 12:19pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Villages in S Italy are offering 20k Euros or so for people to move there and bring the villages back to life.
  
  Maybe Jacinda and Robbo and the rest of the no hopers can move there and live in their Socialist Utopia
  
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  November 26, 2022 1:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sad News
With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at this
moment, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very important
person, which almost went unnoticed last week.
Larry LaPrise, the man that wrote “The Hokey Pokey” died
peacefully at the age of 93. The most traumatic part for his family
was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in. And then
the trouble started.
Shut up. You know it’s funny.
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November 26, 2022 12:34pm
- oldfella
  
  Steve: the dance is the Hokey Cokey. Hokey pokey is ice cream. 😉
  
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  November 26, 2022 12:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, it was a copy and paste.
    
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    November 26, 2022 2:31pm
Surely Knott

From Viva in the Herald,
“”In the 1930s, the average New Zealander ate 130 kilograms of sheep, beef and poultry every year. By the 1990s, consumption had dropped to 91kgs. More recent research (which added pork to the calculation) puts our average yearly meat intake at just over 75kgs”

So since the 1930’s meat consumption has reduced almost by half.

Noting that they have added pork to the second number and not to the first. And I would further add that in the last generation Chicken was much less popular, even frowned upon. So if we only compared red meat consumption in the two periods our reduction would be well over half.

If red meat and sheep and cow burbs are the major cause of climate change why haven’t we already solved it with the massive change to our diet we’ve seen over time.
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November 26, 2022 1:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Talking of which;
  
  NZ whole leg of lamb on sale in Sainsbury’s England for sterling 6.50 per kilo .
  Roughly NZ $13 .
  
  It can be shipped there and they still make a profit at those prices ?
  
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  November 26, 2022 1:24pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    No, it’s sold as a loss leader in the UK supermarkets. This undoubtedly aggravates UK farmers as it sets up a price competition between UK and NZ sheep meat. But given there is a lot more UK lamb in the market it likely sets up the conditions for more UK lamb to be by purchased by consumers over time.
    
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    November 27, 2022 12:49am
- Flossie
  
  There’s quite a few more of us now than there were in the 1930s!
  
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  November 26, 2022 1:49pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yes. But that is average amount of meat per person eaten.
    
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    November 26, 2022 2:28pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Quite a few more vegos in the population now than in 1930
      
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      November 26, 2022 6:27pm
Surely Knott

Suspect anonymity in the media is unhelpful. 2 murders one in Glen Eden and one in Sandringham. Both suspects were from addresses in New Lynn.

What does that mean. If we don’t have the reporting how do we know if they are related or just chance. Are they linked to a single gang? Or is their a parole house that’s causing problems. Or just coincidence.

Getting the name of the suspects a year later is not helpful.
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November 26, 2022 1:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Remember when the US had a real President?
https://rumble.com/v1x4bqu-flashback-trump-flew-to-afghanistan-to-surprise-troops-in-thanksgiving.html
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November 26, 2022 1:23pm
- Nickc2
  
  Biden would much rather have Thanksgiving at home, where he can sniff little girls’ hair and not be reported or photographed doing it.
  
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  November 26, 2022 1:42pm
Kurious Kiwi

Three waters just got much worse with the addition of a 60% supermajority to remove it. Luxon needs to stand up now to lead the opposition to stop this hateful racially divisive legislation before it is too late.

Heres an open letter I just sent to Luxon and his deputies. it would be great if more people made their voices heard now.
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Dear Chris

I understand that you have been pacing your policy releases, its a good strategy for normal times.

However I read with horror the extension of three waters to geothermal and ocean. I read Paul Goldsmith highlighting the legal lock-in via requiring a supermajority.

How sinister. If they dont have a supermajority to create something, how can they ask for one to take it away?

Three waters was always an attempt to give control to the tribal elite and to allow them to claim future royalties, which Jacinda has never denied.

Now Labour are rushing this along with urgency. Once passed National is unlikely to be able to gain the 60% vote to overturn this hateful racially divisive piece of legislation.

Im sorry but you can no longer stand by and watch this deliberate demolition of democracy.

The country needs you to break cover now. You need to be on every news channel revealing the path we are on, You need to be crying out the PM for this deceitful legislation, You need to be using every trick in the book to gerrymander and block its progress on the floor, You need to be calling for NZers to rise up and march against this.

As the leader of the largest party you need to stand up and do this now before it is too late! You need to demonstrate leadership and confirm your role as the next PM.

Only you can do this now. You need to move now to lead us out of this dark place.
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November 26, 2022 2:01pm
- Ghost
  
  He hasn’t been standing by and watching it and him and his national mp’s have been outspoken about it, but what exactly do you expect them to do, the fact is labour can pass this and there is nothing that anyone can do to stop them passing it.
  
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  November 26, 2022 2:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon needs to get a few steps in front of them.
  Play them like Trump plays 3D chess. Look at all the options.
  This 5 waters will be bad for NZ. It is a Coup. See my comments on Stop Co-Governance. NZ is at a dangerous time and the media are covering everything up.
  
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  November 26, 2022 2:35pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Trump ain’t that clever. As many have noted he would be far richer had he just put his inherited money in the Dow Jones as a young man and retired. But he is good at putting on a show (as much as I might be repelled by the reality TV style and general bullshitting), and in general seems to have persued policies that were good for the US and chipped away at the Oligarchial-Bureaucratic Power nexus in USA.
    
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    November 26, 2022 2:42pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Nothing like the smell of Anti Trumpets in the morning to get the blood flowing.
      
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      November 26, 2022 7:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not clever? He is the billionaire and you an I are not.
      Trump is a Patriot.
      
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      November 27, 2022 12:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Any politician that would push through such anti-democratic law against the polled wishes (70% against) of a majority of NZers are showing a clear and terminal disdain for democracy. This cannot be allowed to stand. As individuals they should be banned from all public office and tax-payer funded positions forever.
  
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  November 26, 2022 3:24pm
  - JJ56
    
    Not a problem, just turn the election into a poll on 3 (5) Waters …..
    
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    November 26, 2022 3:38pm
  - artemisia
    
    Plenty of recent precedent to pick and choose individuals for the many roles as they become vacant. Some may become vacant sooner rather than later if the incumbents find feet held to the fire.
    
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    November 26, 2022 5:20pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Three waters just got much worse with the addition of a 60% supermajority to remove it.”
  
  Really? What kind of scam is that? This is what pisses me off about New Zealand not having a written constitution and a designated Court to protect that Constitution. This kind of bullshit would not be possible in Australia of the United States.
  
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  November 26, 2022 3:29pm
- cas
  
  Surely if the legislation goes through with a 60% majority to repeal it, all National/Act have to do if they become government is not provide any funds for it.
  
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  November 26, 2022 4:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    According to the Jacinda person, the 60% majority is only about if a future government wants to privatise the water infrastructure. But if she is telling the truth or just another Jacinda lie only time will tell
    
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    November 26, 2022 4:35pm
- artemisia
  
  It’s a precedent. A new government could use it. A lot. The new Opposition could hardly complain.
  
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  November 26, 2022 5:18pm
- Lee C
  
  Dear Kurious,
  
  Unfortunately, I’m really keen to get lots of votes from political illiterates, and don’t really give a f**k about our national constitutional isues, because (and don’t tell anyone, shhh, now) I’m one of Klaus Schwab’s bitches! LoL.
  
  Besides, Labour and I are just lovely as a double-act. They do ‘progressive’ we roll over and take it. Because deep down, we are identical.
  
  So as touching as your concerns are, you are wastng your breath, yo gulible fool, you.
  
  You might consider voting ACT if you have principles and wish to rescue NZ (soon to be ‘Aotearoa’) from the global agenda.
  
  Your’s, Chris.
  
  ps. Let’s do ‘standards’.
  
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  November 26, 2022 5:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To repeat the Constitutional convention: one Govt cannot bind another.
  
  Any supermajority clause can be removed by simple majority. The offending legislation can then be removed by simple majority.
  
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  November 26, 2022 6:30pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT!
    
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    November 26, 2022 7:42pm
Nickc2

Labour attempts to make 5Water’s legislation Repeal Proof.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/pr-paul-goldsmith-and-simon-watts-labour-must-reverse-three-waters-skullduggery
Such as low act is akin to your next-door neighbour giving your kids Tennis Ball to their Rottweiler.
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November 26, 2022 2:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC and Elon Musk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0K3n-UczZs
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November 26, 2022 2:25pm
Alan Wilkinson

Why on earth doesn’t co-governance with druggies, thugs, killers and women and child abusers seem a really good idea?
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November 26, 2022 2:26pm
Benedict Yu

My partner’s daughter has COVID. She is 23. She is quite sick. I expect she will be in bed for a few days.

She had 3 shots of the vaccine.

What is the point if an otherwise fit 23 year old ends up like this after 3 shots of the vaccine?
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November 26, 2022 2:31pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Pfizers balance sheet. They have close to the biggest marketing budget in the world, and a substantial proportion of it is spent on political and bureaucratic ‘influencing’.
  
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  November 26, 2022 2:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ got taken for a ride by a mind controlling socialist Govt and Public Sector.
    They tricked the public with ‘fear’ We have no redress.
    
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    November 26, 2022 2:41pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Pfizer would say “Well if your daughter had not had the vaccine, she would be in hospital on a ventilator.”
    
    I don’t believe that for a moment.
    
    We are a nation of (mostly) vaccinated people catching the virus off other vaccinated people. And yet the PM thought this vaccine is so fantastic that she created two classes of citizens.
    
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    November 26, 2022 3:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She has had 3 shots of experimental medicine. Make sure she has no more.
  
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  November 26, 2022 2:38pm
- Lee C
  
  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
  FFS, Yu.
  
  Really?
  
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  November 26, 2022 5:50pm
- mandk
  
  The government’s contract with Pfizer will give you all you need to know
  
  No, wait
  
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  November 26, 2022 6:12pm
Maggie Pie

Word of the day>>>

SNOLLYGOSTER (noun)

Who do you think it might apply to?
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November 26, 2022 2:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Our Dear Snollygoster
  Forgot her Paternoster
  Not to worry, she thought
  I’ve still got Andrew Coster.
  
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  November 26, 2022 3:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Deliver us from evil
    
    😀
    
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    November 26, 2022 3:33pm
Warren

Budget 2022: How Grant Robertson creative accounting of over 2 billion of emergency Covid Funds were re-directed.
Finance Minister Grant Robertsons padded budget 2022 has been increased by 2.05 billion from remnants of Covid-19 response funds contrary of his undertaking the enormous pot of money be limit to what it was stated it would be used for
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/budget-2022-how-2-billion-of-emergency-covid-funds-were-redirected/ZRM7IZUCHJHNXLENDOSC2BXKWM/
How can Jacinda Ardern and New Zealander’s have any trust or faith on what the Finance Minister says anymore as this is dishonest and every bit as bad as theft when you are caught out manipulating the figure to cover your over spending in the budget.
How could any New Zealander’s Left or Right in Politics expect the voter to cast their vote for anyone that does this when the obvious conclusion was to make his budget look good and decieve the public once again.
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November 26, 2022 3:48pm
Maggie Pie

Stopped off at a Pharmacy over Kohi way earlier.
Just wanted to stock up on a couple of make-up essentials.
Sign in window….’All our staff wear masks. No mask NO ENTRY’

So drove all the way down to the waterfront then up to Chemist Warehouse in Newmarket.
Spent $208 there instead.
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November 26, 2022 3:48pm
- Ghost
  
  You should get a gorilla mask and walk in wearing it
  
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  November 26, 2022 3:51pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What about a gimp mask? My partner’s already got one of those 😎
    
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    November 26, 2022 4:00pm
    - Ghost
      
      Sure, but don’t be surprised if they say “miss ardern, you’re back already”
      
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      November 26, 2022 4:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Confronting Armed Antifa at Drag Queen Story Time in Denton, Texas.
The brought play guns. (I think they were plastic guns. If they were real the stupid pricks would not even know what to do.) Just grab them by the pussy.
https://twitter.com/alexstein99/status/1594075517497606148?
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November 26, 2022 4:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another stabbing this afternoon…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300749807/person-seriously-hurt-in-attack-in-hamilton-cbd
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November 26, 2022 5:04pm
Ghost

Can’t be Maggy, because our leader is defending their record on crime, or is that she is defending their record crime rate

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/sandringham-stabbing-jacinda-ardern-defends-government-s-record-on-crime-will-look-at-making-changes.html
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November 26, 2022 5:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

15 Hours in the water? Prob sobered up by then.
The amazing thing; he knew how to stay alive in the water.
Parents – get your kids in the water and learn to swim. I know I bang on about this a lot, but NZ is an archipelago surrounded by water.
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/man-found-alive-15-hours-after-falling-off-carnival-cruise-ship-015532261.html
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November 26, 2022 5:37pm
kevn

@Ghost…. Now the perp has been nabbed. Cuddles will also be there I’m guessing.
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November 26, 2022 6:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Simon Watts @ national.org.nz
Dear Steve,

The Government has been caught sneaking a rarely-used, undemocratic legal provision into its Three Waters legislation, in an attempt to make it harder to overturn.

This week, while Parliament sat under urgency to ram-through the Three Waters legislation, Labour and the Greens added a provision that means once Three Waters becomes law, it would take 60 per cent of MPs to overturn it, instead of a simple majority.

This tool has been used incredibly rarely in New Zealand, for good reason. Until now they have been reserved for core constitutional issues like our electoral law.

This sets a very dangerous precedent. If a National Government had passed a provision like this over, say, for example, the three strikes sentencing regime, Labour and the Greens would be outraged – and rightly so.

Labour has used the veil of urgency in Parliament to push through an undemocratic clause in an attempt to block future changes to a broken bill.

But there is still time to block this undemocratic change.

Labour and the Greens need to immediately walk this move back. Three Waters is a deeply unpopular reform – National will repeal it and replace it with changes that ensure assets remain in local ownership, and remove co-governance of public services.

If you haven’t done so already, please sign our petition so we can send a message to Labour about how unpopular these changes are.

Thank you

Simon Watts
National Party Spokesperson for Local Government
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November 26, 2022 6:23pm
Ghost

Another day, another idiot on the road

One person is dead and multiple others injured after a crash involving a speeding vehicle, a bus and a police car on Saturday night.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/one-dead-multiple-injured-after-crash-involving-speeding-vehicle-bus-and-police-car.html
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