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Warren

So again we have Labour and Grant Robertson our Finance Minister screaming out about more Uturns by Opposition Leader Chris Luxon but what else could he do apart from being Prudent and responsible with taxpayers money, this is about winning a election not just rolling over and giving Jacinda Ardern a free ride.
Chris Luxon and National never put this Government in the situation that now penalizes New Zealander’s and they wern’t the ones that have borrowed more than our Country can afford that will leave future Generations in debt for over 60 years some economists have voiced.
Orr and Robertson have known for months that their policy was one of the main contributors to inflation but still keep pushing free money into our economy to set our Country on a dangerous slide.
But no they couldn’t be told and it has been a game of blame from Labour and MSM to blacken Christopher Luxon name for the National Leader suggesting they will give tax cuts to all New Zealander’s .
Now because of the Monetary situation Chris Luxon has taken the approach that to be Financially Prudent Government they have to walk back some of the tax promises and curb what they would have spent until they see the books and how deep New Zealand is in debt.
All the Luxon haters will try and crucify him today but what options other than what he has taken has he got.
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November 24, 2022 8:02am
- Warren
  
  More pain onway as morgage owners face rate hikes and a expected recession.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/479365/more-pain-on-way-as-mortgage-owners-face-rates-hikes-and-expected-recession
  Labour will tell you that they are the only ones that can fix this problem, but you watch them pour money into the Hamilton West By- Election. While the Country and its people suffer in the cost of living crisis Labour will bribe the voter with millions to stay in power, how is that going to help the situation that this Irresponsible Government have left us in.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Understamd that something like 40% of houses have mortgages, so 60% do not.
    Tough on those people but then they voted Labour, and took out mortgages. whereby any prudent person would not sleep at night – and the Banks lent it to them.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:05am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  You didn’t know the OCR was going up right?
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:54am
  - Simon
    
    Lol – Its BM who claimed Cindy had saved the economy and everything was wonderful.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:04am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Lol, where did I do that?
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:25am
  - RightNow
    
    I think a vast number of commenters on this blog were predicting our current economic crisis back in 2020 when Robbo was printing billions.
    What’s your point?
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    Since 2017 the OCR going up was inevitable.
    
    Anybody who couldn’t see that was an idiot.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:49am
    - backster
      
      But wasn’t the 7% inflation rate transitory. That’s what Grant said.
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:59am
      - alloytoo
        
        7% was probably baked in by the time Covid hit.
        
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        November 24, 2022 6:27pm
- RoboRob
  
  Orr pushes up interest rates to ‘take money out of the system’ and reduce peoples ability to spend. Meanwhile Labour borrows more and more money and floods it into the market to ‘help people’.
  
  Perhaps Orr needs to grow some balls and actually call out the government. There is no way he can slow demand while the govt pumps money into the economy.
  
  Lucky for Labour, their voters dont seem to grasp economic basics (like JA and Robertson).
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:57am
  - Simon
    
    So long RBNZ stops buying bonds with printing then Labo has to go to the real market to finance its spending. This is just recycling existing money. Although what Labo actually spend the money on will be wasteful this isnt Orr’s job.
    
    The problem was the printing during the Zero Covid nutjob days. The upcoming wreckage was plain to see.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:10am
    - GazzaW
      
      Any reader of history knew very well that we would be looking forward to a rerun of the Weimar Republic economic disaster. There’s more to come.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:27am
    - RoboRob
      
      Even if Labour still has to go and borrow the money from ‘real’ lenders, they are still bringing foreign money from overseas into NZ. So yeah, still pushes up the money supply.
      
      If the govt stopped running (or massively reduced) deficit budgets we would be a lot better off. Not just from an inflation perspective.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:55am
- mandk
  
  I always thought that giving a high priority to cutting the top tax rate was a mistake politically.
  
  Much better to leave the top rate at 39% and focus on raising the thresholds at the bottom end.
  
  Besides, high earners will benefit either way.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    I think its an ideology issue. This is a relatively new rate, introduced to ‘make the rich pay their fair share’. Does one think that is fair.
    
    Also having a top tax rate different from the current company rate causes all sorts of money / income shuffles. When National set both company and personal rates to the same amount a lot of accountants lost money.
    
    Personally I think 39% is too high and that people earning 500,000 pay ‘plenty’ of tax at the 33% rate anyway 🙂 And no I dont earn that much.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:00am
    - Gravyman2
      
      Given that around 45% of the income tax take comes from 5% of net taxpayers any Government should be wary of driving even a small percentage of this group offshore.
      
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      November 24, 2022 11:08am
  - Ehlana
    
    Except, mandk, that Labour give a very high priority to instituting a new higher tax rate every time they get into power.
    
    If National leave it as is, they are accepting Labour’s claim that the wealthy don’t pay their “fair share”. They are conceding 39% is “fair” and, since Labour will always run out of other peoples money to bribe their voters with, setting the stage for a new claim that “the wealthy don’t pay their fair share” in the next Labour campaign, followed by another, yet higher, new rate. Like 42% to start with, rising to 45%, then 47%.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:19am
    - mandk
      
      National don’t need to say that they think the top rate is fair.
      
      They can address it later.
      
      In the meantime, there is an election to be won, and it would be stupid to give Labour cheap opportunities to portray National as “only caring about their rich mates”.
      
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      November 24, 2022 12:57pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I don’t know about you, but I WANT a government that changes it’s policies in the face of changing circumstances. Not one like Robbo’s who is so wedded to ideology they cannot change the settings to suit.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:59am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Labour: spending like it is still 2020.
    
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    November 24, 2022 3:05pm
- Paulus
  
  Labour in very deep panic, clutching at any straws !
  Can only be detremental to our Country for stupid political stupidity.
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chris Luxon had to do a U-turn. Unlike Labour, he does not go into denial and keep digging the hole. Has he stolen Labour’s Policy? No, he is being sensible.
  While Labour are going to be snapping at Luxon’s heels for a few days, keep an eye out for what Labour is doing in the background. Attacking Luxon is yet another diversion.
  Even though I think National is Labour Lite, they won’t be rolling over to let the Tyrant continue her evil mission.
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:40am
alloytoo

Ardern’s knowledge of Economics is written down somewhere in wax crayon. (an no, she hasn’t actually read it)
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November 24, 2022 8:06am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Perhaps it’s at the last kindy she visited ?
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:24am
- pdm
  
  Ardern of course is the Prime Minister who back in October or November 2017 did not know the difference between Gross Domestic Product and Crown Accounts.
  
  Nothing has changed there so why would anyone think she Robertson and the rest of her Cabinet could successfully administer New Zealands economy.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:26am
  - NothingLeft
    
    And that was after 9 years in parliament where it is a frequent topic of discussion. Complete airhead and obviously lazy to boot.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:42am
  - Bob
    
    The fawning media thought so during the run up to the 2020 election; and convinced 53% of the electors that a vote for Labour a vote for a stable economy and lifestyle.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:53am
    - RoboRob
      
      The very same media that believed the govt could build 100,000 houses and that landlords would absorb additional costs and not put up rents.
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, as far as this Labour Govt is concerned, Labour Ideologies are far more important than the Economy.
    Hark back to the days of the Helen Clark dictatorship whereby ugly mercury-filled light bulbs and limited-volume shower heads were far more important than rectifying the ‘Black Hole’ monetary situation Michael Cullen had created.
    As with this current Labour Govt, it’s all about ‘control’ over the masses/peasants.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:51am
- Frank the tank
  
  No just like Trudeau and Macron it is contained in the prescription ls from the WEF. The WEF and its retarded form of Keynesian economic policy is as much to blame for the worldwide recession as political incompetence.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:41am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Especially with ESG messaging and allocation of funding.
    NZ is a test case in how this can run before a Major pushback.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:04am
O C Smith

Will the lie of 80,000 lives saved be enough to save Labour next year? I can’t think of anything else they can take credit for.
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November 24, 2022 8:09am
- pdm
  
  O C -did they actually save any lives?
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @pdm
    You’re still breathing, and your heart’s still beating.
    
    That is solely because you have been saved by Our Dear PM’s AMAZING Covid response.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:32am
    - pdm
      
      Don’t think so Maggie.
      
      mrspdm and I stopped watching or listening to her before the end of the second week.
      
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      November 24, 2022 8:59am
      - pdm
        
        ps I have my GP and a couple of Heart Surgeons to thank for a still beating heart after open heart surgery in 2002 and 2016.
        
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        November 24, 2022 9:00am
      - Flossie
        
        You were lucky to have it done then. Now you’d be on a list, which is really long!
        
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        November 24, 2022 10:00am
      - cmm
        
        pdm: Perhaps blood is the 8th water?
        Perhaps you owe your life to Maori?
        
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        November 24, 2022 10:18am
    - Bob
      
      I saved my heart a lot of stress by not taking any notice of Ardern and her sycophants drivel each day
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:55am
  - O C Smith
    
    That is Moot.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:43am
  - Phronesis
    
    The economy is peoples lives. A reduction in GDP can be measured in lives lost. There is a direct causal connection between money and how long people live for. Whether it be drugs from Pharmac, less road deaths due to better infrastructure, or healthier eating because people can afford to. We can even estimate how many dollars it takes to add another year of life on average.
    When the Government wastes a few hundred million on not building a cycleway or some such thing the headline should read:
    “Hundreds more die unnecessarily due to Government waste”
    When they ruin the economy, as they have, it’s literally tens of thousands more that die sooner than they should have.
    The Covid response was entirely politically motivated and designed to be seen to be doing something now without any consideration that the long term consequences would be much worse in terms of the health cost.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Not as many as they killed.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:41am
- Mike H S
  
  Excess deaths due to the non-treatment of cancer is coming to the fore in other countries around the world.
  
  I don’t think anyone in the MSM is investigating this problem here.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:32am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I heard this morning that a large number of women are getting mastectomies because they can’t get radiation treatment at the moment.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:07am
    - Ghost
      
      Article
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/breast-cancer-sufferers-forced-into-mastectomies-due-to-increasing-radiation-therapy-delays-college-of-radiologists-says.html
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:11am
- Yvette
  
  Jacinda Ardern (blessing be upon Her) has “refuded” the 80,000 souls saved –
  Creation of a Saint
  Ardern was asked about how she personally dealt with the pain and heartache caused by some of the Government’s Covid-19 measures: border restrictions, preventing family from attending funerals, and job losses caused by vaccine mandates.
  “One of our critical advisers through this, who’s from the science community, mentioned to me the other day that on their calculation, give or take possibly 5000 people have been saved by what we had done.,
  “So in those moments I think of that. Now those 5000 people, they don’t know who they are. They don’t know that it was them that has been potentially protected by these measures. But I just keep that in my mind. It’s been hard, but the flipside would have been even more painful.”
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-response-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-interview-on-what-government-got-right-and-wrong/PKKLCAAF6DCTUCH3AIRIP4W6TU/
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:47am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, Ashley Bloomfield first mentioned 5000 as he was about to depart.
    I really do not know how they came to this either.
    I guess the “Science” modelers are just Fantastic.//
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:08am
    - Simon
      
      5,000 was the number that might have died from covid. IFR of .01. But herd immunity would have kicked in at 70% then probably much less than 5,000. Say 4,000. Thats without any basic preventive measures that a pandemic plan would have undertaken. Such as isolation of the vulnerable.
      
      Covid death count is around 2,100. Cindy the clown has not saved 5,000. Have to also count all those Zero Covid nutjobs have kilked. The whole Covid 19 response by govt has been an utter clown show fuck up which will be played out for years.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:22am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That self-lionizing is nauseating.
    
    She makes normal narcissists look like amateur hour wannabes.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:21am
  - Phronesis
    
    The response to this is that the people now dying of cancer that was diagnosed too late, or unable to afford life preserving drugs that are unfunded, know that they have had their lives destroyed by “these measures.” Often these people are relatively young and healthy, with young families, and had long lives ahead of them. But we “saved” a few elderly and infirm from dying a year or two earlier.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:42am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    She’s a liar.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:43am
  - NothingLeft
    
    That’s not unreasonable. Most western countries had around 2-3000 dead per million. Smaller less densely populated places with younger populations did better, but then our barely functional health system would have been massively overwhelmed. Without lockdowns we would likely have been up around 10,000
    
    But not worth the 10’s of $billions spent when 80-90% of dead would be over 80. Costing $millions per quality of life year (pharmac typically only funds drugs at <$100k)
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:47am
    - cmm
      
      It always depends on how you count. And the counting has been done by activists – not people interested in facts.
      
      To count anyone that has returned a positive test as a Covid death or hospitalisation is complete bullshit.
      
      Last year my twice-jabbed mother died with covid. She counted as a covid death. But she was 85, had a knackered heart (a live of massive obesity) and was riddled with cancer and living in a hospice. Perhaps the extra covid on top shortened her life by a week or two at most. It is really bullshit to count that as a covid death.
      
      Earlier this year I was in hospital for a heart issue. I had had Covid 3 weeks prior, but they were unrelated. I was counted as a covid hospitalisation. Bullshit.
      
      While I was in hospital there were 12 other covid positive people on the ward. One had come in with covid and infected the others. None of them were there, or admitted, because of covid, but they all counted as covid admissions.
      
      The stats are all bullshit.
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:26am
  - Bob
    
    So 75000 died then!
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I do hope Labour continues with that 80,000 lives saved. Come to think of it they have nothing else.
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:49am
- alloytoo
  
  Even assuming the worst case “Alpha” fatality rate was universal across all age groups (and it isn’t) it’s doubtful we would have had much more than 36000 casualties.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:57am
iMP

Alan Carr Christchurch last night beginning of his regional trinket tour. Isaac Theatre Royal.

Carr was absolutely brilliant after a false start with a mid-baked comedian from Australia (24) as a warmup. I guess he’s being generous and supporting newbies ( like Elton).

but once he came out it was full blown high camp from the priest of black spectacles. Sidesplittingly funny and a panto romp for over an hour well with the tickets purchased by the four of us who attended. And type his high-pitched screech and Manchester accent was difficult to follow, he would be good to slow his delivery down slightly for colonial audiences unfamiliar with his London and Manchester delivery.

We had tears, it was just hilarious. if you get a chance to go, I recommend the night out

SAMPLE: “Don’t you hate those people who give you glitter in cards. you open the card and whoomph glitter all over your house… Gay asbestos… My dog licks it all up and craps disco balls.”

“I have Ibf, I look like the Michelin man covered in chocolate like a chocolate fountain.”
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November 24, 2022 8:09am
Harry Knuts

NZ’s crime is out of control and at crisis point. There will be more and the crims know that the police will do sweet f-all about it especially if they are yoof – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sandringham-homicide-the-worst-has-happened-manhunt-under-way-as-community-left-shocked/DMOJJJWROZA3PA7RTK4SLNVHXU/
I would like to see defense lawyers in NZ stop using the back story of these serious offenders of their tragic and poor upbringing as a defense to get a lighter sentence. It is an insult to the victims and the families left behind and waters down their remorse and accountability of their crime and lowers the credibility and professionalism of the defense lawyer.
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November 24, 2022 8:10am
- Random T Person
  
  Yeah how about we hear the back story of the immigrant shopkeeper who had nothing and was working his way up through sacrifice and long hours only to be knifed to death by a wastrel.
  
  SMH
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:26am
  - Paulus
    
    Doesn’t our so called Prime Minister live there ?
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:12am
    - RightFirstTime
      
      Yes. And the dairy is located in Ardern’s electorate of Mt. Albert.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:51am
    - cmm
      
      I wonder whether she’ll manage to burst into tears like she did for Grace Millain?
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:27am
- Scooter
  
  Will media question Jacinda given it is in her neighbourhood?
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Everyone in NZ has to have a safe work environment, except for small business/dairy operators.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:34am
- Simon
  
  “I would like to see defense lawyers in NZ stop using the back story of these serious offenders of their tragic and poor upbringing as a defense to get a lighter sentence.”
  
  But then lawyers would lose their clients to the prisons. The legal system is about generating legal fees. Ongoing work as the crims appear time and time before the Cts.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:55am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    The lawyers still get paid and paid well regardless of time served. They also get paid when the scumbags repeatedly appeal their sentence which is more insult to injury for the victims. Shows zero remorse.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:31am
    - Matt Long
      
      If sentences are short or non existent they get more work through churn and shorter turn around.
      
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      November 24, 2022 11:13am
  - Phronesis
    
    The implication that due to upbringing they are destined to offend and reoffend always seems to me to be a good reason to lock them up for as long as possible to reduce the inevitable reoffending.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:49am
- Paulus
  
  Defence Lawyers know that the weak judiciary (many being old colleagues and friends outside) will listen to their please, and will feel sorry for the people under charge.
  Labour are weak on Crime
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:11am
  - Bob
    
    Until we remove the right of Defense Lawyers to ‘stack’ the Jury, we will not see an improvement in justice sentencing or guilty decisions.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:00am
- Scooter
  
  More insulting is the poolice reading a statement on his phone. Disgraceful.
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Makes him look so intelligent. Can’t even give a statement without reading what the boss man texted to him. The state of the whole Police Force is pathetic.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is coming to the time when the shopkeepers need to be illegally armed with a handgun, just to stay alive.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:18am
  - cmm
    
    Even a bloody pepper spray!
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Or a knife to even up the odds!
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:30am
Matt Long

From the multitudinous files of Councils acting badly, no comebacks on the staff who victimised as far as I can see.
https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/rural-news/rural-general-news/farmer-wins-four-year-stoush-with-council
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November 24, 2022 8:12am
- Matt Long
  
  And this, fortunately the WDC has built themselves a new palace next door they can move to.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/northland-contractor-pursues-forum-north-sale-to-recoup-61-million-owed-by-whangarei-district-council/ZHRWM3STENG4VHBZEDRSEVW4II/
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:23am
  - Matt Long
    
    Note that WDC are wasting more ratepayer funds fighting this while earlier they threatened to bankrupt the innocent party over $18,000. Consequences for the staff? I don’t believe government employees do consequences.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I hope Chartres wins his costs recovery.
  Clearing scrub that had previously been cleared is unlawful? How did the Council find out anyway. I see interference here from the Greens and the Special People.
  The must be a Councilor who is behind this – vote the bastard out.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:35am
artemisia

A range of commentary on Orr’s announcement yesterday, including this little comment about the massive expansion in government hiring …

Olsen said the Government needed to … consider whether its hiring might be contributing to a labour shortage that was stoking inflation. “Demand is outstripping supply across the economy and government is contributing to that,” he said. “Something’s got to give.”

What do these people do all day? Sounds like from a few comments in the media and over the water cooler that plenty are well paid managers. And how many contractors and consultants are being paid but not included in the hiring numbers. And with all the extra hiring, how come there is insufficient expertise so that contractors and consultants have to be hired.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130565288/reserve-bank-telling-government-to-slow-spending-to-bring-inflation-under-control-economist-says
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November 24, 2022 8:13am
- Prince
  
  Those TVNZ ‘News’ bulletins don’t produce themselves.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:34am
- Bloody Dago
  
  What does this Labour Pardie quango do? https://www.tepunahamatatini.ac.nz/our-team/principal-investigators/
  100 staff doing sweet FA in a politically correct way by the looks of it
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:42am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    I had a browse through the website. I’m still not really sure what they do!
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      Hint: your wallet just got lighter.
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The pink terror is in there. That should tell you what they do.
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:53am
  - Master Mariner
    
    They are the “Go too” source for political modeling for a pre arranged outcome.
    Think 80,000 will die from COVID.
    They have received millions in funding by this Government.
    Experts in Covid, Climate change and Sea Level rise, In fact world leading //
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    75 Principle Investigators! I see the pink terror is in there.
    Looking around on the google machine it seems to be part of the University of Auckland. Everything else is vague. They seem to be haka organisers.
    They are looking for more Principle Investigators.
    These sorts of quangos just have to go. Sucking the Taxpayer dry.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:52am
I remember when

Why don’t Labour just admit that their Maori MPs want more Treaty settlement payments.
Their non-Maori MPs (and Party Members) are embarrassed by the stigma of colonialism and ‘white’ rule, so want more Treaty settlements.

After all what has colonialism given Maori excepted for – education, longer lives, better health, democracy, co-existence, a say in government.
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November 24, 2022 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Any more payments must be FULL AND FINAL!
  Enough is enough.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    We’ve been through Full and Final already Steve. Now, it’s Top-Ups to account for inflation and anything else they can dream up.
    PS: For starters, all those Treaty Cars are now due for their second and third replacements and they no longer want cars, they want Ford Ranger 4x4s eh?
    
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    November 24, 2022 11:02am
  - Yabster
    
    like Ngai Tahus fifth full and final settlement?…..
    
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    November 24, 2022 11:11am
Southern Raider

Will the murder last night of the Auckland shop worker finally push Ardern, Hipkins and Alan into declaring a retail crime crisis and drive the Police and Justice system to set some examples?

Or will they bury their heads, spin the media and ignore what the rest of us see.
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November 24, 2022 8:15am
- Warren
  
  As the shop keeper is obviously a Immigrant Jacinda Ardern is probably out shopping looking to dress in the victims attire, so she can visit his family in mourning to show how kind and caring she is.
  There is nothing our Prime Minister won’t do in her quest to remain Prime Minister of New Zealand.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sadly, that is exactly what Jaspinda will do.
    What a waste of space she is.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:57am
    - Warren
      
      You have to wonder how many tissues our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern had to use when relaying this message to the family of a man murdered in a Horrific Homicide and Robbery last night.
      “Our jobs as a Government is to make sure those that commit such crimes are brought to Justice and try to prevent them occurring at all”.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/sandringham-homicide-pm-jacinda-arderns-heartfelt-message-over-horrific-homicide-and-robbery/XCAFMZU3KVFQ5J33SFX457QHOY/
      It’s her policies that have allowed these crimes to be committed and just another
      promise that she can’t keep because it’s like every thing else she spouts lies and more lies.
      
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      November 24, 2022 11:48am
Southern Raider

Adrian Orr on the Hosk this morning was pushed into admitting “Govt immigration laws are overdriving demand and ultimately responsible for higher than needed interest rates”

Will the media pick this up and pressure Woods on why kiwi families are struggling with massive mortgage costs because he refuses to open the border
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November 24, 2022 8:17am
- Jack5
  
  Immigration needs to be carefully planned, or it becomes a vicious circle.
  
  Rising population increases need for more resources – houses, hospitals, roads, prisons.
  
  Meanwhile our overseas balance of payments languishes. For decades, NZ hasn’t been earning enough to pay its way in the world.
  
  We need targetedimmigration that improves our economy. The sad case of a dairy-shop keeper murdered in Auckland revealed he had come to NZ only in recent months.
  
  Meanwhile, doctors, teachers, engineers queue and wait to get into NZ.
  
  Something’s wrong with the whole immigration system.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:38pm
Tony Stuart

The stabbing of a shop worker in Sandringham last night is an absolute tragedy, but it was also an avoidable tragedy. Labour’s soft-on-crime approach has contributed to a sharp rise in retail crime this year, with seemingly few consequences for offenders.

There’s a particularly sad irony here. The superette involved is in the Mt Albert electorate, and not far from Jacinda Ardern’s Auckland home. The PM has led a government determined to lower the prison population, and it is the lack of consequences even if they do get caught that has emboldened young criminals in particular.

I send my most sincere condolences to everyone affected by this senseless loss of life, and hope the offender/offenders are quickly arrested and brought before the courts. The Labour government is going to cop its share of criticism, and a good portion of that will be justified. There’s been a sad inevitability that someone would be killed in a robbery before long, yet the government has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to make shops safer. Today, the chickens have come home to roost.
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November 24, 2022 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  It’s not just shops .
  
  Dog walkers
  pedestrian
  folk returning home from work
  babies in their homes
  
  The regime emptied the prisons and judges refuse to send the most dangerous to prison for any meaningful length any pretext they can raise.
  
  The social contract is broken.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:26am
  - GJM
    
    It is a shame self defense is defacto illegal in NZ. Even having a machete wielding nut coming at you won’t stop you from being g prosecuted. The NZ Police are great believers in Lawfare where the process ismthe punishment.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:08am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      This year’s home invasion/burglary judgement perhaps could conclude self-defense is in fact legit: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/466902/piopio-home-invasion-father-and-son-not-guilty-on-all-charges
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:38am
    - cmm
      
      It isn’t defacto illegal, but it is severely discouraged and you’ll probably end up jumping through a lot of hoops if you injure/kill someone in self defence.
      
      When I applied for a firearm’s license in 2012 or so, I was asked whether I would use a firearm in self defence. I said I would defend myself, family or anyone else in extreme situations. I got my FAL.
      
      While self defence is not a legitimate reason to own a firearm, there is nothing stopping you using any weapon (be that a frying pan or your duck hunting shotgun) for self defence. The shotgun you bought for duck hunting will still go bang if you point it at a scumbag criminal.
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:39am
  - Paulus
    
    The only Social Contract is what Ardern thinks it is !
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Will the media get stuck into Special K on this?
    
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    November 24, 2022 11:01am
- alex Masterley
  
  Tony, an update from sources close to the incident suggests the offender has been caught and is local.
  That is good news. If it can be described as such.
  Assuming there is a conviction I suspect from what I have been told there will be a sob story, sorry -cultural report, which will blame everything but the offender for the incident.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:28am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Ì hadn’t heard that he/she had been caught. Lets hope it is a decent judge that imposes a decent sentence rather than home detention.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:42am
    - Bob
      
      a decent judge….
      difficult to find in these days of judicial activism!
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nah, he gets a special present – a bracelet with a geofence of 20km.
      
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      November 24, 2022 11:03am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Here’s hoping Alex. I gather this place is also uncomfortably close to the Masterley residence.
    
    As for cultural reports, many of which are written by Dr Jarrod Gilbert, the media’s go-to person for comment on misunderstood gangs, all they do is further the culture of excuses around crime and sentencing. Then again when you see Andrew LKittle blaming everyone but him for the mess in the Health sector, or Megan Woods blaming Fed Farmers and even Nick Smith for Three Waters, excuses seem to be a default setting of the current administration.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:43am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Tony, about 2k’s so there is breathing space.
      But every dairy along Sandringham Road has been hit by ram raiders and thieves.
      Bottle shops and Vape shops have not been spared either.
      It seems to me that the current government are a bit like Nero fiddling while Rome burns.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:08am
      - rangitoto
        
        Please stop spreading this nasty anti Nero propaganda. Fiddles didn’t even exist in Nero’s time!
        
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        November 24, 2022 9:33am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Clearly Jacinda does not shop locally
        
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        November 24, 2022 10:15pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Cultural reports should be stopped and have no weight to the defense. Waste of money that the taxpayers pay for.
    Maybe it’s about time we got and OIA on how much money taxpayer money is spent on these reports for scumbag crims defenses?
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:45am
    - nathie
      
      Agreed, Cultural Reports need to go. A waste of money and a waste of time.
      
      Crims know what they are doing is against the law. So what’s the point of a Cultural Report?
      
      Screw the Activists embedded in the “system” promoting them – Victims First (not cultural troughers)!
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:28am
- pdm
  
  Sandringham is in Arderns electorate I believe.
  
  An opportunity to put on the `frowny face’, visit the family and offer condolences.
  
  Or will she stay well away like she did with Covid lockdowns.
  
  What a conundrum for her on top of all of her other responsibilities and kindergartens to visit.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:31am
  - alex Masterley
    
    It is indeed.
    The PM’s house is less than 2k as the crow flies.
    I doubt we will see her visiting the scene or visiting affected family.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:39am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Ardern will only visit kindies or other venues where all present are subject to censure and punishment if they speak out – general public must be excluded.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        With bodyguards too. Fancy having a bodyguard in your own Electorate.
        
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        November 24, 2022 11:09am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Whilst the death of the shop worker is awful, the people of this area voted overwhelmingly for Ardern and her policies. That would be 71% overwhelming. So the good people of Mt Albert have got exactly what they voted for.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:58am
- Nickc2
  
  The more I drive around Akld these days, the more I am convinced that it is starting to look like Central Paris (Chatelet Les Halles) with all the Ram Raid Bollards and Steel Shuttered shop windows. What a sad state of affairs to let happen in the short space of five years under a ‘dyed-in-the-wool Labour Dictatorship’.
  Shame on all of you who voted this lot into Govt.
  
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  November 24, 2022 11:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have trouble finding anyone who will admit to voting these bastards in.
    
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    November 24, 2022 12:04pm
    - Local Miller
      
      And yet apparently 32% would do it again.
      
      Silly buggers!
      
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      November 24, 2022 2:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Brainwashed. Simple minded fools – and they breed!
        
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        November 24, 2022 3:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our caring and kind Government and Labour-led City Council

*Violent Mental Health chap harassing, then killing homeless woman

* Dying Bowel cancer woman homeless

* Homeless alcoholics

* Cops too busy to assist frightened vulnerable woman.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130551011/homeless-woman-asked-police-to-help-her-move-they-didnt-and-she-was-killed
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November 24, 2022 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  What makes the police so busy ?
  
  Domestic calls have a very high priority ( and why so many ,because few of their ‘clients’ are in real relationships)
  
  Bail checks ( because no one can be locked up in these “progressive” times.
  
  Meanwhile the rest of us suffer.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:28am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Matt Doocey made an excellent suggestion at the National Party conference this year; adding Mental Health as an option when calling 111, with calls being transferred to a specific Mental Health crisis team instead of to the Police. I think it’s something that merits further consideration.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:46am
    - Richard
      
      Great idea, Tony – but do we have the people to staff the service? It’s hard to find staff for anything at the moment letalone mental health which seems like an enormous problem.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Paperwork is why they are busy. Screeds and screeds of paperwork. Nothing left out.
    
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    November 24, 2022 11:13am
Yvette

“3 Waters” (or “5 Waters”) – Where is the wider (full) public consultation process on “co-governance”, but Where is the Elite Māori input also, Willie Jackson?
Ardern’s Labour Government appears to have delivered neither – bloody typical

It seems Willie Jackson is still to take a Paper, with the edited response to “co-governance” by selected attendants of 72 hui – that is, the targeted Maori Elite response – to Cabinet for them to decide on a defined position ”before embarking on a wider (full) public consultation process on the draft Declaration Plan.” [1]

But meanwhile the “3 Waters” (or “5 Waters”) legislation – related to “co-governance” and “Te Mana o te Wai” statements of “total governance” – is progressing through Parliament.

So does this mean –

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The Government is ~~progressing~~ ramming through legislation without ”embarking on a wider (full) public consultation process on “co-governance” and the draft Declaration Plan.” and –

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The Government is apparently ~~progressing~~ ramming through legislation without Willie Jackson even presenting the edited views of Maori Elite to Cabinet already.
So they are actually apparently doing it without being informed of the Maori Elite say-so as well.

The general Maori voice is filtered in favour of targeted Elite, whose views are to be further filtered by Willie Jackson, but he in fact doesn’t even present those filtered views to Cabinet, so who exactly is driving the Māori side of the bill? Instead of presenting any sort of consulted Maori response are Māori Minsters of the Crown just making stuff up, when “The Crown”, of which those Ministers are part, is itself a lead Party to the Treaty?

Have I explained this possible point sufficiently that it can be seen that the Crown may be playing with itself and the rest of Us kindergarten kids, both Māori and the 83 percent non-Māori are not invited to play, but just watch?
And are Māori Minsters of the Crown actually a Trojan Horse?
But a self-actuated one?
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[1] Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
Jackson said. “I will then report back to Cabinet mid-year with the draft Declaration Plan for approval before embarking on a wider (full) public consultation process on the draft Declaration Plan.”
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November 24, 2022 8:22am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Hasn’t 3/5 waters now become entirely all waters???
  
  Supplementry Order # 306:
  “water”
  (a) means water in all its physical forms whether flowing or not and whether over or under the ground:
  (b) includes fresh water, coastal water, and geothermal water:
  (c) does not include water in any form while in any pipe, tank, or cistern.
  
  At least once it is in the dunny it belongs to you. Funny that.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:41am
  - pdm
    
    BA – your (a) implies stagnant water too.
    
    No surprises there.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:05am
  - Yvette
    
    Also still not included, Blog-aholic, is that water between thee ground and clouds – the tears o Rangi.
    But they will get there. It must be part of the Treaty.
    Unless New Zealand finds a Judge Samuel Alito
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:14am
    - Yvette
      
      I am sorry Blog-aholic
      My remark “Unless New Zealand finds a Judge Samuel Alito” is a comment that may be ambiguous, one take being that the “3-5 Waters” legislation is an “abortion” – (and it is) – Alito being one of the US Supreme Judges that reversed Roe and dumped abortion as a Constitutional right.
      
      But I meant the other take – that Alito has said each state must make its own abortion laws because abortion is not in the Constitution.
      
      Rather than attacking Luxon’s Christian values, although Luxon says abortion law is settled solid, it is the second context that the Roe reversal should be having here (but is ignored) – returning to consider what is actually in the Treaty, and not what has been made up since, especially in the 1980-90s and 2017 until now.
      The water that “is in the dunny” is not in the Treaty – none of this krap is.
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sea water, 50km out.
    
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    November 24, 2022 12:15pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, Willie Jackson may have done his Hui stuff with a selected bunch of Maori Elers and many of them weren’t interested in what he was selling, hence he now doesn’t know how to present the outcome in a form favourable to Labour’s Cabinet and in support of 3/5Waters.
  I also believe he was given an emphatic NO when Co-Governance was included in his list of offerings to selected Maori Elders.
  I have spoken to a couple of Maori Mates about this and they (although they don’t consider themselves Elites in their tribes) reckon all this crap being talked about as 3/5Waters mandates is alien to them and many of their mates and want no part of it. They see it as deliberately divisive.
  The Jackson Huis have worked well eh?
  
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  November 24, 2022 11:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Elite Maori. Willie Jackson, Nanaia Mahuta, Tuku Morgan, Hone Harawira.
  There are a few starting points.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:14pm
Opie

I see the German football team took a virtue signaling photograph of themselves covering their mouths in Qatar before their world cup match against Japan to show that they have been silenced by fifa.

They then went on to lose the match in a stunning upset.

Go woke, go broke.

Just to help me understand, is freedom of speech important again now we are past covid?
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November 24, 2022 8:26am
- cmm
  
  If they want to make a statement then just don’t go.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:41am
  - Opie
    
    But then they won’t get paid and that actually effect them.
    
    Far easier to make people think you care than actually caring.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:49am
    - MCōs
      
      I think you’ll find they get paid peanuts for representing their country at the World Cup
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:27am
      - MCōs
        
        Some people just want to play for their country and their family
        https://twitter.com/deeadekugbe/status/1595519099194466308?s=61&t=0-Z9pUTiAMqt4myYFoGlwA
        
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        November 24, 2022 10:21am
      - cmm
        
        Naah, they get a whole lot via other means (endorsements etc).
        
        A bit like how Nancy Pelosi only earns peanuts too…
        
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        November 24, 2022 10:41am
  - Ghost
    
    You can make a better statement by going and being broadcast globally making that statement
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:29am
Scooter

Reading the NZ news today from overseas 2 items standout and made me despair of what NZ has become. The murder of the worker in the dairy in Mt Albert, and the blatant hit and run/killing of a person in Glen Eden. There is something seriously wrong going on and all Labour care about is 3/5 Waters. Will Jacinda front the media to comment on the dairy murder, given what is going on with ram raids, blatant shoplifting and not far from where she lives, I doubt it.
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November 24, 2022 8:27am
- nathie
  
  She’ll be spending the morning with her key staff working on “sympathetic talking points”, and perfecting them for the TV News at 6pm … rather than getting on, working hard and leading the Govt.
  
  PTPM is the “nicest” phrase I can use to describe her!
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:32am
NK

I heard Nicola “my Arts degree is better than Grant Robertson’s so that makes me a better minister of finance” Willis on Newstalk ZB yesterday offering some piffly reasoning why hard working Kiwi earning more than $180K should not keep more of their money. She’s a complete lightweight. Pray tell how families with huge mortgage rate increases shouldn’t keep more of their own money to allow them to pay for it?? These people, I’m included, still suffer from 8% inflation and Adrian Orr’s follies. I thought National supported people like me??

I’m waiting for Tony Stuart to defend it as “excellent economic management” or “prudent and sound politics from National”.
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November 24, 2022 8:34am
- Prince
  
  $140B debt and climbing. $100B more than when they took over.
  Just saying.
  Don’t blame National for Labour’s waste, but someone has to be the adult in the room.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:39am
  - Prince
    
    Sorry, haven’t checked for a few days. Make that $147B.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:40am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      That’s about 23k for every person in the country!
      
      Where’s it all gone?
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:00am
      - Ghost
        
        Hopefully not into ftx. I see the Canadian teachers pension fund lost money investing In it. I wonder how much our govt put in it
        
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        November 24, 2022 9:06am
      - Paulus
        
        The money putting us hugely into debt has gone into the wrong pockets, and not mine either – I am not select enough !
        
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        November 24, 2022 9:21am
      - kowtow
        
        Ghost
        
        Putting any assets into crypto cannogt be termed “investing”.
        It’s nuts , but maybe that’s a good reason the Cannucks call their dollar the “Loon” if they go putting it in scams.
        
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        November 24, 2022 12:21pm
- peterwn
  
  Actually, unlike Robbo, Nicola has had a *real* job and understands commercial realities far better than Robbo.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:53am
  - Ghost
    
    Prime minister in waiting is a real job…
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:07am
- RoboRob
  
  Because of Labour & Orrs inept economic management and inability to live within a budget we have high inflation. The only way to reduce inflation is to reduce peoples ability to spend, you do this by making them poorer (in general by increasing interest rates).
  
  Sorry but the only way to reduce inflation is to make you and I poorer. If either National gives tax cuts or Labour gives out handouts to help with increased costs, they negate the impact of the higher interest rates and force Orr to raise them even higher. So National is right to revisit its tax cuts.
  
  The reason we have a recession forecast next year is because Orr expects to ‘kill demand’, i.e. people without jobs or paying all their cash into mortgages. Businesses unable to borrow to expand.
  
  All of this pain could have been avoided if we had held back on govt spending (borrowing) and money printing. Yes I know, ‘COVID’ but Labour were borrowing heavily BEFORE covid. The money printing (by Orr) was far too much, for far too long. Labour also took COVID as an opportunity to splash cash everywhere.
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:10am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I would argue that Nicola Willis’ corporate career makes her far more knowledgeable and experienced in finance matters than Robbo any day – https://nicolawillis.national.org.nz/about-menu
  Robbo is more of a career politician: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/grant-robertson
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:54am
  - RoboRob
    
    Sure. But you dont need to know her background or education, you can tell just by listening to her. It is clear she has a MUCH better grasp of economics than Robertson.
    
    There are plenty of uneducated people that are smart and astute business people and there are plenty of ‘Stupid’ well educated people.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:05am
  - Bob
    
    Robbo is more of a career politician…
    
    Robbo is only a career politician; absolutely NO experience in the real world of commerce or any other form of productive employment.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:10am
Maggie Pie

Maybe it’s just me….

but does anyone else think Klaus looks like he should be stroking a white fluffy cat?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1595423002606600193
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November 24, 2022 8:40am
- Blog-aholic
  
  He is the essence of Doctor Evil.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:42am
- cmm
  
  When you see a Powerful Evil Person stroking a fluffy white cat consider who is getting the most out of the situation. It’s the CAT!
  
  If the cat can get Klaus to stroke it when it wants, then clearly it is really in control of the universe – not Klaus.
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:45am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You seem to overthink things sometimes cmm.
    
    I’m still in my nightie 😀
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:48am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      A nightie Mags how 1880’s of you…..
      
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      November 24, 2022 9:00am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        yip yip from d.vice 😛
        
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        November 24, 2022 9:21am
    - cmm
      
      Been stroking the white cat Maggie?
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:42am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Actually, it’s a Sphynx.
        
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        November 24, 2022 11:33am
      - cmm
        
        I’m not sure I want to know what that means.
        
        Did some French soldier knock a few bits off it? Or am I getting my Egyptian felinology confused?
        
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        November 24, 2022 12:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        cmm
        A Sphynx Cat is a hairless pussy…
        
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        November 24, 2022 1:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ernst Stavro Blofeld. That is why I call Ashley Bloomfield ‘Blofeld’
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:26pm
Inandout

And just like a carousel the Paul Pelosi story with police body cam is back to the start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7IkyCKTp2s
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November 24, 2022 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Megyn Kelly is a dam good reporter. She know this is a coverup, and there is more to come. Nancy will be controlling the FBI.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:33pm
Ghost

A man has been arrested after a person was fatally struck by a vehicle in west Auckland on Wednesday before fleeing the scene.

A police spokesperson said officers were called at about 12:20pm to a disorder incident in a carpark off Glendale Rd in Glen Eden, where a person was struck by a vehicle and later died.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/person-fatally-struck-by-car-after-disorder-incident-in-glen-eden-west-auckland.html
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November 24, 2022 8:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why have non-Iwi communities of interest been excluded from submitting te mana o te wai statements?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00198/govt-refuses-to-make-three-waters-equal-for-all.htm
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November 24, 2022 8:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Let them drink cows piss”
  
  – Nanaia Antoinette
  
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  November 24, 2022 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We are witnessing a Coup, in slow motion. Non iwi are not to know until it is too late.
  Stop Co-Governance.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:37pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Christopher Luxon has long been struggling with tax policy after digging his toes in over tax breaks for high earners. Then suddenly yesterday with the OCR increasing he backtracks and tries to present himself as all over this subject. Yet for days, and weeks the predictions of the OCR have been public and yesterday’s rise was really formality for everyone except Chris?
So apparently startled was he, that he immediately reacted and changed Nat’s policy on the hoof without even apparently talking to his colleagues unless it was agreed with them earlier that it would be an opportunity to get the stone from around their necks regarding tax breaks. If that were true it reflects panic and lethargy on the whole team with no one sharp enough to say “let’s do it before the release of the new OCR”.
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November 24, 2022 8:51am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Llap goch Brian, the ancient Welsh self defense technique. The best way to defend yourself is to attack the assailant before he has even thought of attacking you. So yeah, Luxon should have got in early based on predictions by a load of people who could be wrong. Sigh.
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:06am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Yes, he’s timid or right, and prone to panicked reactions as we see again. I don’t think he could attack a tadpole in a bucket.
    
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    November 24, 2022 9:33am
    - Warren
      
      But Brian he doesn’t need a firearm.
      
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      November 24, 2022 10:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think the RBNZ saying the country will be going into recession might be more the reason
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:36am
- mogg
  
  You say the announcement was a formality for everyone except Luxon. It was certainly a surprise for the bond markets 5 & 10 yr govt bonds both jumped yesterday and they are the people who unlike you, are prepared to put their money where their mouth is. Yesterday’s statement was the first from RBNZ predicting recession, yet you claim everybody knew this in advance, you are a gobshite.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:20am
- cmm
  
  The way I see it, a character attack from Brian is really an endorsement.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, wear it like a badge. Good publicity.
    
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    November 24, 2022 12:41pm
F E Smith

Hey, is anyone else having issues with the Kiwiblog RSS feed? I haven’t had an update since yesterday morning. I don’t know if it is just me or the site. My feed reader is getting all of the other feeds, so I suspect it is Kiwiblog, but would like to confirm.
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November 24, 2022 9:09am
Philview

While, I doubt the editor of the ODT has done a single editorial critical of Jacinda Adern in the last 5 years there is the occasional opinion article of interest that wouldn’t get passed the censors at some other media outlets. Today in the ODT a good opinion article from Hilary Calvert.

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/talk-needed-co-governance
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November 24, 2022 9:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hillary Calvert is from the right
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:37am
  - Clyde
    
    Hillary Calvert is right. There we go G, corrected for you.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Before Obama was POTUS he asked people what the American Dream was. Many said ‘to be like Donald Trump.
The American Dream is still there for some.
Cuban Immigrant shows his first paycheck.
https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/cuban-immigrant-shows-what-it-means-to-live-the-american-dream/
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November 24, 2022 9:12am
krazykiwi

This…

Airlines based in more than 40 countries, including Germany and the UK, have expressed their desire for single-pilot commercial flights to become a reality. In Europe, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has been working with aircraft manufacturers to understand how single-solo pilot commercial flights could be operated safely.

.. and then this

A newly hired American Airlines regional jet pilot collapsed just after takeoff in Chicago on Saturday night. He could not be revived. Cause of death unknown; American will not disclose any details, including his vaccination status. The co-pilot took over and averted catastrophe. [kk: He collapsed while climbing thru 2000 feet, and engaged in routine comms with the tower. ]

I quite like the long-haul aircraft. Having 4 capable flyers (2 crews) is definitely safer than having just 1 pilot.
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November 24, 2022 9:15am
- NothingLeft
  
  Give cabin staff some flight lessons to make them able to step in in an emergencies, and utilise the autonomous flight capabilities (which are pretty much already better than pilots from start of takeoff run to end of landing) with perhaps some starlink enabled outside control/assistance if needed.
  
  Honestly real pilots are probably not adding much if anything to safety at this point, in fact near majority of airliner crashes now are pilot murder/suicide (4 in last decade) – you could probably make a good safety case that they should be eliminated.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:43am
  - Individual Responsibility
    
    NothingLeft
    Replying to your 10:43 post – a number of years ago a business I was associated with exclusively used a AKL based airline employing up to 18 flight crew, of which approx 8 were old school (i.e. grounded in flying DC3 or similar) and one of them, Captain Peter Cook, (one of a very small number then of N.Z. Helicopter pilots with instrument rating) once told me, with a smile on his wise face, that “I’m not paid to fly aeroplanes, just to land them”.
    
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    November 24, 2022 2:40pm
- cmm
  
  2 is probably OK for long haul too.
  
  You want 2 in the cockpit at take off and landing, the rest of the time one is enough. Basically they’re watching the autopilot.
  If something interesting comes up, then call in the second pilot and (s)he should be there in a few seconds.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:47am
  - Observer of Life
    
    CMM: Long haul, I would not get on an aircraft with less than 4 pilots. Short haul, min 2. Safety safety safety.
    
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    November 24, 2022 8:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trains have one driver, no Fireman anymore.
  Driver has a vigilance alarm to reset.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump’s Twitter Account is unlocked but he is yet to make a comment.
It was unlocked with zero followers, but in less than a day there were over 80 million.
What does that tell you?
https://thepatriotjournal.com/hours-after-trump-reappears-on-twitter/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=actengage&seyid=33431
Trump 2024.
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November 24, 2022 9:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m no TDS sufferer, but 80 million in a day suggests either the previous followers were re-attached to his account (likely) or MAGA bots got busy (unlikely)
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:24am
  - rangitoto
    
    I think it’s legit. Trump was great entertainment on twitter.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trump was able to get his comments out before the media could fuck with it.
      
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      November 24, 2022 12:52pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    They also reinstated all his comments/twits
    
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    November 24, 2022 2:18pm
Frank the tank

There is a real crisis building in our workforce.

Almost everyone under the age of 40 currently:
-Maxes out their sick leave (and prays at the altar of covidcult)
-works half arsed
-demands more money for less output
-Resign the moment any pressure is applied

If it is a harsh and sustained recession these snowflakes will have to work an honest days work; live within their means and on a budget and otherwise not complain.

Our mental health services will be overstretched with delicate flowers in the coming 12 months.
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November 24, 2022 9:25am
- cmm
  
  It’s a seller’s market out there, especially in the tech sector.
  Even the shittest programmers can earn $100k+ with 5 years experience.
  So, yeah, they demand to be treated nicely. Coffee machines, back rubs, EV charging bays,…
  It is quite surprising how woke companies are getting to attract staff. Even the military industrial complex is falling over themselves to stress their diversity and wokeness:
  
  https://www.rtx.com/
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
So the post is late today, but I will repost tomorrow.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dr-bruce-moon-gives-maori-academic-a-lashing-for-peddling-treaty-of-waitangi-disinformation/

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bruce-Moon-and-Maria-Bargh-2.pdf
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November 24, 2022 9:28am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis was wondering if Andrew Coster had passed?
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November 24, 2022 9:32am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Passed on his job for sure.. let’s conclude he’s given up and been kept behind the scenes while the carnage continues on his watch.
  
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  November 24, 2022 9:59am
andretti

Frank.
Couldnt agree more.
I gave a quote to a potential customer yesterday and he was stunned at my price,he thought it would be around $450 not the$850 that I quoted. The reason for the price is the high cost of doing business ie inflation as well as a huge wage increase for staff that doesn’t work very hard and takes every single day off that they can.Its simply insane conditions ATM and the customer gets to pay. Two years ago a drum of chemicals cost $217 now the freight charge is more than that with a total new price of $712.
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November 24, 2022 9:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Has Chris Hipkins been the slackest Leader of the House in living memory?

Hipkins said urgency was needed to make up for the time lost when Parliament was suspended following the Queen’s death.

Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer was cynical about that.

“We have people die all the time. At the end of the day, you still gotta have a plan, and you stay focused on that.

“The reality is, is that they [the government] have been really, really slack in how they’ve brought legislation to the House, that’s what their primary role is.”

NB… It’s always the woman’s fault… even when she’s dead.
“It’s never good to blame the Queen, but especially for something that she didn’t do,”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/479368/opposition-parties-question-need-for-urgent-sittings-at-parliament
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November 24, 2022 9:50am
krazykiwi

On Tuesday a regular here, MCos was accusing me of being hysterical about the prevalence of vaccine injuries and deaths. As is so often the case with drive-bys from the pro-narrative crowd no data was supplied to demonstrate apparent hysteria. All it would take would be solid evidence of safety and efficacy and any claims to the contrary could be safely laughed at.

So this week’s news is tough, tough, tough on those who would crow about safety based on the lack of any evidence immediately under their noses. The Informed Consent Action Network, and their civil rights attorney Aaron Siri have waited 463 days and instigated several lawsuits to get access to the CDC’s V-Safe data. V-Safe is the CDC’s internal version of VAERS, used for recording vaccine-related adverse events.

There are just over 141 million records covering 10 million people in this dataset. So what does the data show?

1. 7.7% of vaccine recipients had to seek medical treatment immediately following their vaccination
2. 25% missed work or school following vaccination
3. 40% reported joint pain (an immune reaction)

All this data is public, and searchable now after ICAN published this dashboard.
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November 24, 2022 9:57am
- MCōs
  
  Yesterday you wrote
  
  “It is simply too difficult to admit being duped, even when their friends start dying”
  
  I pointed out that that I’ve known a lot of people who have been vaccinated against covid-19 and none of them have died.
  
  I might add either because of the vaccine or because of covid-19 subsequent to being vaccinated.
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You’ve been duped, MCos. It’s pretty clear to see. To be fair, so have millions of others.
    
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    November 24, 2022 12:26pm
Gravelroad

And now we have the Governor of the Reserve Bank, Mr Orr, apologising to the people for the rise in the OCR which will cause hardship for many.
So nothing to do with excessive vanity spending and vote buying by the incompetent Labour Party then?
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November 24, 2022 10:00am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  He can afford to with his job in the bag for another 5 years ….. . Performance targets don’t matter but “sorry” feelz are good!
  
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  November 24, 2022 10:28am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Are we still paying for that useless prick from Tijuana to sit round on his arse doing SFA?

Asking for a friend.
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November 24, 2022 10:10am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Answer – We sure are.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thx for that Hazz.
    Question should have of course begun with….”WHY”
    
    My silly.
    
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    November 24, 2022 12:23pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  His waste of oxygen boss marama d is kicking off at luxon’s comments regarding the pithy excuses for NZ ‘s shameful truancy statistics …. she seems to think parents are not to blame
  
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  November 24, 2022 1:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/could-the-so-called-littlewood-treaty-be-the-key-to-stopping-co-governance/?unapproved=229&moderation-hash=283348187cf3f8860109537855854281#comment-229

A Treaty Consultant hired by the government to destroy the integrity of Hobson’s final English draft of the Treaty. Really?
http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/
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November 24, 2022 11:24am
grumpy

The wall to wall media coverage of the “hate crime” at the Cub Q Colorado mass shooting and resultant outrage at this LGBQT targeted outrage seems to have gone very quiet. Anybody know a reason.
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November 24, 2022 11:38am
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, there’s been another mass shooting in a Supermarket (Walmart) in Virginia.
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63724716
  
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  November 24, 2022 11:48am
- Ghost
  
  Still plenty of articles about it today
  
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  November 24, 2022 11:59am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The shooter has identified itself as a non-binary, they/them…..so by definaition is on of that particular community….
  
  now crickets…………….
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:15pm
- grumpy
  
  Last I saw the shooter was transgender, titles Mx with pronouns them/they……
  https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-makes-first-virtual-court-appearance-held-without-bail
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:20pm
I remember when

“2022 marks the beginning of a different economic climate,” says Stripe CEO Patrick Collison.
“We were much too optimistic and overhired for the world we’re in.”
Stripe is one of the world’s largest payment processors.
About 1000 of Stripe’s 7000 employees will be let go.”

Can New Zealand expect the same?
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November 24, 2022 11:41am
- rangitoto
  
  Does that mean Stripe will lower their fees?
  
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  November 24, 2022 11:55am
Maggie Pie

See where Cindy’s spinmeisters have issued a ‘heartfelt-message’ on social media to the family of that poor guy who was stabbed to death in her electorate last night.

Just f-ing resign why don’t ya!?
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November 24, 2022 11:46am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, at the extreme end of the scale is another apology.
  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/nazi-auschwitz-guard-reinhold-hanning-apology_n_57235ca6e4b0f309baf08bce
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:09pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Just insulting isn’t it. Cindy’s doing it for clicks, ticks and likes. Almost crass and distasteful as my elderly mother would say.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:15pm
- cas
  
  The comments on her Facebook page are almost universally anti her. If I were Jacinda I would be running for the hills.
  
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  November 24, 2022 1:44pm
Ghost

Is it wrong he made me laugh

Starbucks barista breaks down in tears over unfair working conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNx8OiWiKcw
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November 24, 2022 11:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good acting?
  
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  November 24, 2022 1:05pm
CAKE FACE1

The past five years have seen Cindy Ardern launch an unprecedented frenzied attack on the New Zealand economy, culture and values.

The vandalism of institutions such as health, education and justice, as well as the economy, have been sustained and unrelenting.

Still, the Cindy cult has remained steadfast throughout. The polls are neck and neck. How can this be?

Nonetheless, I sense that the centre cannot hold. What will be the straw that breaks the camels back, and sees the socialist rats abandoning ship, to mix metaphors? Or will the Cindy cultists continue to collaborate, through this ongoing sabotage campaign?

I note that the central bank has belatedly moved into line with the CAKE economic forecasts. A huge recession is likely winter next year, timed to be right before the next election.

Will this shake the socialists from their blind worship of the Cindy cult?

I would like to see a breakdown of the Cindy cult, in terms of occupation. I suspect that a good proportion of the Cindy cultists are either employed by central or local governments directly or indirectly, or are beneficiaries. When these cultists complain of the greed of the centre-right voters, there complaints could be shown to be hypocritical. These people are voting for socialism purely on the basis of self-interest. They don’t care about the collateral damage to the country.

There must be a small percentage of cultists who have real jobs. I would like to understand what they believe Cindy is doing well. I suspect that this rump votes Labour, because their family has done so for generations. They are low information voters.

I suppose I find it bewildering that about one third of people still support the Cindy cult, at the moment.

Looters, moochers and grifters probably give Labour a base vote of at least 25%. I hope to see Labour get at most 25% at the next election.

My hope is that the approximately 8% of population currently in the Cindy cult flee from it over the course of the next year, as the economic downturn really bites.

The issue I have is, I don’t understand why these people support Cindy at the moment, so it is difficult to understand what circumstances would be needed to change their minds.

May you live in interesting times…
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November 24, 2022 12:02pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “I don’t understand why these people support Cindy at the moment”
  
  I believe these people fall into three camps:
  
  1. Disengaged tribals. Have always voted Labour, and would do so if the PM ate babies on TV
  
  2. The grifters. Life on the public tit is great. More please. Why, thank you!
  
  3. The ideological zealots. Burn evil capitalism to the ground. The state knows best. All hail the supreme leader (de jour)
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:36pm
  - Rusty
    
    @krazykiwi
    
    My late dad and elderly mum have always voted for labour, same goes for my brothers and sisters.
    
    I have always respected their right to choose when voting and have never swayed them with my choices.
    
    Come next year I don’t know if they will all feel the same way on voting for Jacinda and labour considering this last 2 years of turmoil.
    
    Family tradition plays a big part in Kiwis voting options but think about this —say since 1984 when Labour had more than 1 term in power as the govt for the first time.
    
    1984-1990 – Labour.
    
    1990 – 99 – National.
    
    1999-2008 -Labour.
    
    2008 -2017 -National.
    
    2017-2023 -Labour.
    
    More of Labour than National right?
    
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    November 24, 2022 3:18pm
Benedict Yu

Just looking at excess deaths in Europe in July 2022. These are the excess numbers of deaths being recorded compared to the long term avaerage. Because of the huge data sets, authorities can predict how many people should die in a particular week of a particular month. In most of Europe, deaths peak in Winter. However there can also be heat wave related deaths in southern Europe.

The UK is running at about 16 percent (from memory – not shown in chart)

France – 14 percent
Spain – 37 percent!
Portugal – 29 percent
Germany – 15 percent
Norway – 15 percent
Finland – 9 percent
Italy – 25 percent!
Greece – 31 percent!
Ireland – 16 percent

We are talking millions of people dying with cardiac deaths the leading cause. Yet it gets very little media coverage.

Sweden, which famously refused to lock down the population has excess deaths in July 2022 of 2.7 percent above the baseline.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20220916-1
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November 24, 2022 12:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Some of this will be the result of lock-down deferred treatments.
  
  The rest will be the result of the Deathvax™
  
  But the pandemicists and pharma cultists are responsible for it all.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:38pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Wonder if you will ever get an apology from ‘Aunty’
    
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    November 24, 2022 1:36pm
Ghost

And yet jacinda people have been fearing going to work, they’ve been warning this would happen. Also jacinda why does this get your attention? Did you comment about the murdered dog walker and the murdered person in the shopping carpark? I have no idea if she had

“For now, what I do know is that no one should fear their loved one going to work. No one should have to confront such senseless violence or crime.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/sandringham-homicide-pm-jacinda-arderns-heartfelt-message-over-horrific-homicide-and-robbery/XCAFMZU3KVFQ5J33SFX457QHOY/
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November 24, 2022 12:09pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, some would say that to express anything heartfelt you first need a heart.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:26pm
- surfing
  
  Jacinda will send her wrap around services to fix the problem.
  
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  November 24, 2022 1:48pm
Ghost

Just been told our caring govt have put up the points needed for surgery, hip op now needs 85 points. People will die waiting
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November 24, 2022 12:12pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Almost worth throwing yaself in front of a car! at least you would be a priority then.
  
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  November 24, 2022 12:16pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    IF your are the right DNA profile of course.
    
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    November 24, 2022 12:31pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The last couple of months I have been getting pain in my left hip. Having x ray next week. If I need a hip replacement I want to get in before I can no longer afford my health insurance premiums.
  
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  November 24, 2022 2:35pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    A lot of arthritis is alleviated by losing weight.
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:31pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Do you know what 85 points looks like in practice? What does that mean?
  
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  November 24, 2022 2:43pm
  - Ghost
    
    My relative was on 70 points and he couldn’t get it done, his surgeon and doctor were begging the government to let it be done, fell on deaf ears, including many letters to Andrew little. Couldn’t walk, couldn’t lay down so slept sitting up. Was on so much morphine that the pharmacy stopped giving it to him. It completely collapsed, the femur was gone so he finally got it because of that.
    
    I know was 70 points looks like, and if that doesn’t qualify for a hip op, I don’t want to see what 85 is because I doubt many will survive that long
    
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    November 24, 2022 3:05pm
  - mawm
    
    It is a system of assessing need for surgery by allocating points for things such as pain, immobility, being kept awake at night, interfering with one’s daily activities, etc. Once the score is above a defined number that person goes onto the waiting list. Various governments have reduced the length of the waiting lists by raising the required score. It only applies in public, if you are privately insured it is a conversation between you, your doctor and your insurance company.
    
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    November 24, 2022 6:22pm
Maggie Pie

God only know what I’ve done started…

a bestie retweets.

https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1595551362074710018
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November 24, 2022 12:39pm
Nickc2

Aust’s Minister for the Environment at COP27.
No, he’s the one on the left.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/11/australias-representative-chose-and-packed-these-clothes-shoes-and-expected-to-be-taken-seriously.html
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November 24, 2022 12:50pm
- greybeard
  
  Where is his hoodie?
  
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  November 24, 2022 1:38pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It will be a good thing if there are mass blackouts in Australia when they get their first heat wave of the summer. So far, the weather there has been unseasonably cool and wet. Of course that will change some time in the next couple of years. I look forward to all those wind turbines powering the air conditioners in Melbourne and Sydney when it is 42 degrees. Hopefully that will cause riots and a backdown to their energy insanity.
  
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  November 24, 2022 2:39pm
Ghost

Damn, yesterdays shooting was carried out by a manager of walmart

A Walmart manager in the US pulled out a handgun before a routine employee meeting and began firing wildly around the break room of a Virginia store, killing six people in the nation’s second high-profile mass shooting in four days, police and witnesses have said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300747352/i-watched-bodies-drop-coworker-says-walmart-manager-in-us-fired-at-random-killing-six
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November 24, 2022 1:23pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  He probably cracked from listening to the Christmas music for 12 hours during his shift.
  
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  November 24, 2022 2:42pm
greybeard

I see that Sanna Marin is to meet with Jacinda Ardern.
In person.
In NZ.
That should be interesting.
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November 24, 2022 1:54pm
- Inandout
  
  Who?
  
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  November 24, 2022 2:19pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    She is the PM of Finland.
    
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    November 24, 2022 2:40pm
- Jack5
  
  Greybeard, while you’re around.
  
  Do you mind please telling me whether you were serious — or satirical — when you posted in General Debate on November 12:
  
  You still believe the Americans landed on the moon in 1969? And got back? With one engine? And perfect photos? And all the rest ?
  Jesus: they couldn’t even build a decent car in 1969!
  
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  November 24, 2022 2:26pm
  - greybeard
    
    I am serious. ( Maybe deluded, but serious ).
    JFK said in his speech 12th September 1962 at Rice University in Houston:
    “We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard,” The president promised to put a man on the moon before the end of the decade.
    During the 1960s “Space Race” between USA and USSR the USSR was well ahead, having been the first to do all sorts of things ( Sputnik 1957, dog in space 1957, man in space 1961, etc etc ) and this pissed-off the Americans no end. They were desperate for a victory of some sort. They had stolen most of the brilliant Nazi space scientists but were still trailing their arch-enemies.
    
    In 1963 JFK was assassinated and in the last year of the deacde, 1969, the Americans were credited with the first moon landing, just as he had predicted. And promised.
    
    And at this point the doubts begin. To save time , from Wikipedia comes this summary:
    
    “After being sent to the Moon by the Saturn V’s third stage, the astronauts separated the spacecraft from it and traveled for three days until they entered lunar orbit. Armstrong and Aldrin then moved into Eagle and landed in the Sea of Tranquility on July 20. The astronauts used Eagle’s ascent stage to lift off from the lunar surface and rejoin Collins in the command module. They jettisoned Eagle before they performed the maneuvers that propelled Columbia out of the last of its 30 lunar orbits onto a trajectory back to Earth.[8] They returned to Earth and splashed down in the Pacific Ocean on July 24 after more than eight days in space. “
    
    Perfect ! No problems ! Just a routine event. Saturn V worked fine, the three-day trip to moon orbit was uneventful, the Eagle had no problems landing, the Eagle’s return ascent stage worked perfectly, the reunion with the command module went without a hitch, Eagle was jettisoned in a routine fashion, Columbia command module was taken out of orbit perfectly and the well-publicised and recorded return to earth was the icing on the cake.
    Jolly good show.
    
    And the whole lot was total rubbish.
    
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    November 24, 2022 6:25pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Pres. Nixon: “Hello. Hello. That you Neil?”
      
      Buzz: “Neil! Its for you.”
      
      https://vox.com/2015/7/20/9005429/phone-call-moon
      
      😀 😀 😀 FFS!!
      
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      November 24, 2022 6:48pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Interesting? A mutual admiration society isn’t that interesting, surely?
  
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  November 24, 2022 3:08pm
Ghost

Sad story

A Canadian paramedic who unknowingly treated her own daughter after a fatal vehicle crash brushed away tears as she remembered a beautiful girl who fought until the end.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300747975/canadian-paramedic-who-tried-to-save-crash-victim-learns-it-was-her-daughter
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November 24, 2022 2:37pm
Alex13

“The dairy was inside Ardern’s Mt Albert electorate, which she said was particularly sad”.

WTF?! Would this crime be less “sad” if it took place outside of her electorate?

This woman does not make any sense…
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November 24, 2022 2:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Has she commented about the man stabbed to death walking his dog? Not on her Facebook, nor the person murdered in the car park yesterday.
  
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  November 24, 2022 2:55pm
Ra Henare

I know that the Ukrainian Russian thing has dropped off the headlines.

But two things “”bemused me””
Todays Herald bit entitled
“Vladimir Putin ‘fighting for his life’ after Kherson retreat””

So the Herald is now formally the propaganda arm of Ukraine as the articles source is….

Oleksiy Arestovich, an adviser to the Ukrainian president’s chief of staff!!!!

Secondly. Mike Hoskin over on News Talk

Mike’s Minute: Let’s hope Henare’s Ukraine trip wakes the Government up

So Mike is full on warmonger saying NZ should send weapons!!!! Anything we send would be a spit in the ocean and “”used up” in milliseconds

What happened to NZ and others promoting peace talks and or ceasefire to save the gazillions of ordinary Ukrainians from dying this winter because the west keep poring billions in to their Civilian Arms industries and refuse to negotiate.!!!

I read somewhere(sorry have lost the link) that for every Billion USD of military aid to Ukraine, generates 50,000 deaths.

Its hard to get another view. But there are plenty of interviews with those with a better understanding of whats what.

I follow Scott Ritter, Ex Marine and weapons inspector(https://www.youtube.com/@ScottRitterExtra)

Jeffrey Sachs sample 8 minute clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVuogCPrQk)

And text only reporting from Hindustani times
Sample
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwKgB_SxuaU

Why are the West committing Ukraine to a miserable and deadly winter while watching their cities reduced to rubble?
Where are the peace makers.

Come on Jacinda put on your kindness cloak.
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November 24, 2022 3:03pm
- rangitoto
  
  The only peace is when the Russians leave the territory of Ukraine.
  
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  November 24, 2022 5:08pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    And so we wait for hell to freeze over 🙂 ???
    Russian will not leave those parts of Ukraine it has annexed.
    If you believe otherwise you are woefully ignorant of the geopolitical situation.
    Sleep well in Jacinda land. Home of warmongers.
    
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    November 24, 2022 7:34pm
    - NoFax
      
      I think your view of the world is very odd to say the least. Remember, it was Russia that invaded Ukraine and so far all the fighting had been done on Ukraine soil.
      How in the world do you get to the point of view that Ukraine and those that support that country are the war mongers? Russia can end the war today if Russia withdraws from Ukraine? How does Ukraine end the war? Either defeating the aggressor or surrendering.
      Yes it’s tough on the Ukrainian people but I’m not sure what you think they should do? I think they have already stated they don’t want to be part of a new Russian empire – or co-governance if you like.
      
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      November 25, 2022 12:36am
- mawm
  
  I have yet to see any local coverage of cuffed Russian POW’s being executed by the Ukrainians or that that they are castrating others. The Ukrainian military are nasty evil people.
  
  Meanwhile the useless, demoralised Russian military with outdated equipment have taken out the power in most of Ukraine. The Ukrainians are going to have a long cold winter in support of the American agenda of trying to remove Putin.
  
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  November 24, 2022 6:37pm
cmm

Cindy says she is devistated about the robbery…. but don’t arm yourselves.

Well fuck you Cindy. It’s all very well saying that when you’re walking around with an ARMED security detail. Fuck you and fuck the bike you rode in on!

What about us? Surely we too are entitled to armed protection?

The cops are useless when it comes to these events. Even if they’re sitting in their cars with the engine running, it takes at least 5 minutes for them to arrive. It takes a scumbag criminal less than a second to poke a knife in you and kill you.

By the time a cop arrives you’re dead. The cop can do nothing but take a cultural report.

People have the right to personal safety. That’s in the Bill Of Rights. In particular:
* The Right not to be deprived of life.
* The Right to Justice.

It you and your sad-a-hell government can’t uphold those rights for us, then it falls on us to uphold them for ourselves.

You have dropped the ball, abdicating powers to criminals. The quality citizenry of this country now have to pick up the ball.

From now on, I am walking around armed. I will completely respect everyone else’s rights. But I will defend myself if forced to do so.

I shall not be a danger to the public. In the past I have carried weapons without menacing people or endangering people. I can do so again. Everyone is safe, except those that will do myself, my family etc harm.

If you want to stop me, then all you have to do is correct what is broken. Hold up your side of the bargain.
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November 24, 2022 3:09pm
- rockape
  
  Sometimes I thank goodness for those souvenirs from the Falklands.
  
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  November 24, 2022 3:52pm
  - Keith White
    
    I too would like some Exocets mounted on my driveway’s gateposts. If it saves just one life…
    
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    November 24, 2022 4:57pm
- cmm
  
  I notice that the cops declined the shop owner’s application to get a fog canon.
  
  What??? Why the hell should this be something that the cops have a say about?
  
  Cops: If you feel unsafe in your work you can pull out a Glock or a Bushmaster and you won’t allow a shop owner to install a fog canon. That really is sick!
  
  NZ has become a sick place overrun by nasty power hungry politicians and bureaucrats.
  
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  November 24, 2022 4:55pm
  - kowtow
    
    To paraphrase the excellent Stephen Franks ,many moons ago , on civilian powers of arrest ;
    
    the state is very jealous of its powers.
    
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    November 24, 2022 6:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    According to TV 1 News tonight…
    
    Police refused the request for a fog cannon THREE times for this dairy.
    
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    November 24, 2022 6:59pm
- Keith White
  
  It’s even more than usually hypocritical as she disarmed law-abiding firearms owners and held them responsible for changes she made to the vetting procedures for immigrants like He Who Must Not Be Named – while also absolving the casually lazy police vetters and their management, while letting gangs keep their firearms, and subsidising the gangs’ meth industry with dollars from productive taxpayers, and for the piece de resistance (in French-speak) used the New Zealand police force as her private Parliamentary Grounds’ violent gamekeepers.
  
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  November 24, 2022 4:56pm
- NoFax
  
  I agree 100%, we should have the means to defend ourselves and that obviously means a firearm. However, I don’t see any party advocating for law abiding citizens been free to defend him or herself and property.
  Yet the PM and others get 24 hour armed security and then get lectured about not getting armed.
  
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  November 25, 2022 12:42am
Maggie Pie

Q3 – supplementary to The-River-of-Filth

Member-for-Tijuana asks… how soon will the government allow an increase to the number of disabled and mentally-ill Immigrants into the country?

Honestly, you couldn’t make this sh*t up 🙁
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November 24, 2022 3:30pm
- Ghost
  
  Aren’t people with ongoing medical conditions not allowed to move here
  
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  November 24, 2022 3:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “He too knows what it’s like to be a couple of paycheques away from homelessness, having worked on the minimum wage cleaning cinemas and making coffees.”
  This is on the Greens Website.
  He travels a lot – from NZ. Working for the minimum wage my left tit.
  The guy is a fraud.
  
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  November 24, 2022 4:15pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Rich father
    
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    November 24, 2022 10:47pm
Ghost

Another teenager

Police investigating the death of a 26-year-old man in Auckland earlier this month have arrested and charged a 17-year-old with murder.

The teen additionally faces two other charges of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm for the two other people who received stab and gunshot wounds during the East Tamaki attack.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-charge-17-year-old-with-east-tamaki-murder/PZLPY3XRL5GJPPETFUXBNXXYXE/
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November 24, 2022 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tony Fauci can’t stop the lies.
https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/tucker-carlson-blasts-the-covid-czar-for-lying-about-covid-this-is-insane/
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November 24, 2022 4:18pm
Maggie Pie

Too soon?

https://twitter.com/DavisAndrew88/status/1595599526470950913
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November 24, 2022 4:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not too soon. That is what we expect. Done it before and will do it now, and in the future. Unless she realises that her acts are shit, Jaspinda will appear as the New Zealand Prime Minister.
  Who is taking bets?
  
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  November 24, 2022 5:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She should have been up in Sandringham first thing this morning… not off campaigning in Hamilton.
  
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  November 24, 2022 7:02pm
nathie

According to ZB, the PM won’t visit the dairy in her electorate where the worker was killed.

Surely, according to Labour, that doesn’t mean … They Are Not Us?
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November 24, 2022 4:59pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s a crime scene, politicians should stay away
  
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  November 24, 2022 5:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is something to make Political mileage from and Jaspinda’s keepers will get her there.
    
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    November 24, 2022 5:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ardern needs to front up to the community and listen to the everyday experiences of folks who work in retail.
    
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    November 24, 2022 6:08pm
    - Ghost
      
      Agree, but she doesn’t need to turn up to a crime scene, she should stay away. But that said, nothing is going to change from her listening to people’s experiences because they have been demanding help for so long now and got bugger all
      
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      November 24, 2022 6:45pm
  - kowtow
    
    No one’s asking her to trample over the evidence in the actual shop , duh.
    
    A visit can be done nearby .
    
    This regime , particularly under Ardern gag for photo oppordunidies where ever they think they can profitably get one .
    
    And this sure ain’t it .
    
    She’d be surrounded by a less than adoring crowd of crime victims .
    
    Victims of her regime’s soft on crime , empty the prisons , give millions to the drug pushing gangs .
    
    So until her handlers think they can get something out of this she won’t go near it , but not because CSI is still on the scene doing their forensic bit , da da da dah.
    
    As to “politicians should stay away” these people are ambulance chasers , it’s what they do if they think there’s a vote in it .
    
    Innit.
    
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    November 24, 2022 6:43pm
    - Ghost
      
      He wasn’t killed in the shop, he was killed 100 metres down the road.
      
      Let’s give the police time to do their work and let her make an appearance next week to pretend to care and pretend that her government has worked hard to prevent this.
      
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      November 24, 2022 7:02pm
- The worm that turned
  
  Her minders won’t let her, and she knows the reception will be ugly and gut wrenching.
  
  This is her walk the plank show me the money moment.
  
  I always thought it would be an Filipino nurse murdered on the way home from a Middlemore late shift or a innocent dairy owner stabbed by some utter savage. And so it is.
  
  Blood on your hands Jacinda. Blood.
  
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  November 24, 2022 6:20pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Apparently the police denied that dairy fog cannons. Why did the police even have a say?
    
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    November 24, 2022 7:27pm
    - Ghost
      
      Police were in charge of the scheme
      
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      November 24, 2022 7:32pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Why? The scheme is there to protect shops from police fàilures. And now it has added to those failures.
        
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        November 24, 2022 9:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        Because that is how I guess Paul Bennett set it up. but it has also been a success and stopped armed robberies in the past.
        
        The scheme wasn’t set up to stop police failures, can’t blame the police for the actions of criminals, or the failures of the courts to dish out appropriate sentences.
        
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        November 24, 2022 10:09pm
Takere

Well Alf Filipina got the sack today from Auckland Council, the Tupuna Maunga Authority by the Gov. B. And so he should have!
Asleep at the wheel and it cost $1m+ in legal costs for what was an operational issue and should have been treated as one. But no. Him and his handler Paul Majurey, eke Panuku’s chairman whos under investigation for his conflicts of interest at E.P, wanted to make a point to take out the local communities voices opposed to felling all the trees on the Maunga, they went to the High court and Court of Appeal and lost!

Can anybody tell the difference between a Maori tree and a tree?
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November 24, 2022 6:46pm
Southern Raider

Just drove past a section of multiple Kainga Ora housing blocks. About 6 different blocks and all had bright yellow security camera signs around 1m high by 0.5m wide on every corner at about 3m in the air.

Is this the kind of country we know are. Don’t stop the scum and instant just lock down parts of the city to lawlessness
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November 24, 2022 6:57pm
Ghost

Police have released photos of the Sandringham stabbing suspect

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300747557/sandringham-stabbing-suspect-dropped-till-in-rubbish-bin-stabbed-victim-in-the-street
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November 24, 2022 7:21pm
Ghost

Ministers will be put on a travel diet after the post-Covid spike in the cost of travel saw the ministers’ taxpayer-funded international travel bill top $1 million in one quarter for the first time ever.

The latest release of MPs’ and Ministers’ expenses showed ministers notched up $1.280 million in international travel in the three months from July to September.

Of that, $329,000 was spent by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on a series of trips, including to Europe, to the UK for the Queens’ funeral, and to the United States to visit the White House, and back again for the UN. Ardern had $137,000 in for the quarter before that.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pm-jacinda-ardern-to-trim-back-ministers-international-travel-after-travel-bill-tops-1-million-for-first-time/MZQDCWQHOFFULPG6HPL6PA7JDE/
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November 24, 2022 8:27pm
Benedict Yu

My partner’s daughter has COVID. She is 23. She is quite sick. I expect she will be in bed for a few days.

She had 3 shots of the vaccine.

What is the point if an otherwise fit 23 year old ends up like this after 3 shots of the vaccine?
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