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Warren

Better off without him? Hamilton West lavished with spending with Sharma’s expulsion.
Labour keeps saying the don’t think they can win Hamilton West but they keep dishing out the bribes with Megan Wood giving Funding out of the Kianga Ora’s Infrastructure and Excellaration Fund of more than One hundred and Fifty Million dollars yesterday.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300742202/better-off-without-him-hamilton-lavished-with-spending-since-sharmas-expulsion
These are more bribes by a arrogant Government that is out of its depth and out of ideas, all mouth no substance.
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November 23, 2022 8:12am
- Bloody Dago
  
  3 Waters legislation will today officially declare war on 86% of New Zealanders.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:18am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    5 waters. They added coastal and geothermal water.
    
    https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/the-stealth-manoeuvre-taking-three-waters-to-five-waters
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:50am
    - Ghost
      
      6 waters, they can have ownership of all the flood waters.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:51am
      - Phronesis
        
        I was going to make some joke about how they can own my piss, but they actually will. Wait till they start taking the piss….
        
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        November 23, 2022 10:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That will mean paying for flood damage. Nope, they will not go there.
        
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        November 23, 2022 11:38am
      - Keith White
        
        So I can sue the Wanganui Riverperson next time it floods my property? Good to know. How will xe deposit the lucre I win into my account, tho’?
        
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        November 23, 2022 12:54pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I listened to Jacinda telling Barry Soper that the extension to coastal waters and geothermal was a “misunderstanding” and it was not real. Soper just ridiculed her.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:55am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        She is a truly ridiculous person and deserves all of the ridicule she gets. A fine example to anyone wanting to see a physical example of the word ‘ridiculous’.
        
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        November 23, 2022 10:23am
      - Local Miller
        
        Any day now she’s going to stop doing interviews with Barry Soper, same as she stopped doing Mike Hosking interviews.
        They simply aren’t being nice to her 🙁
        
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        November 23, 2022 10:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Coastal waters 50km out.
        
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        November 23, 2022 11:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Soon Jaspinda will be giving Soper a list of the only questions he is allowed to ask.
        
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        November 23, 2022 11:41am
      - Its only I
        
        Last election Labour send around an internal email to its drones not to talk to media “we got this”.
        
        This time around it will have to be ” the cheque has cleared it will cost us more if you talk to the media, don’t worry they got this”
        
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        November 23, 2022 12:48pm
    - Jim
      
      So if iwi will own and financially benefit from these assets, it’s only appropriate they can be legally and financially responsible for compensating the public against:
      Loss of water availability
      Loss of water quality/safety
      Loss of effluent containment
      Coastal erosion
      Tsunami damage
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:07pm
- pdm
  
  There is nothing I would like better than for this to be the finishing order of the parties in the Hamilton West By Election.
  
  1. National
  2. ACT
  3. Sharma
  4. Labour
  
  Could it happen?
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:25am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
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    pdm – according my spies on the ground, the order will be:
    
    1. Labour
    2. Sharma
    3. National
    4. ACT
    
    There is a strong support for Labour and they will easily win the seat.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:20am
    - The Other Enoch
      
      Bloody hell! Looks like I’m going to need one of those missing mental health beds.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:47am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Yes, better book one now and you will get it in 2034. The National candidate is a super dud and making statements against Luxon and National party policy. Not sure from where they selected this clown.
        
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        November 23, 2022 11:00am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Tama Potaka is no clown. The paper they referred to as contradicting National policy was something he wrote when he was at university in the mid 1990’s.
        
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        November 23, 2022 12:10pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My friends in Melville tell me Sharma is going to just scrape in.
      
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      November 23, 2022 11:43am
    - Mike H S
      
      I assume you are therefore, prepared to put money on it???
      
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      November 23, 2022 8:22pm
  - peterwn
    
    If Labour wins by a nose then ACT would have arguably helped Labour by standing a candidate.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:51am
    - dubya
      
      National are standing a candidate who has in the past voiced support for 50:50 cogovernance. ACT are doing the right thing standing a candidate who is very clear on their position on this, a very important issue in a visible by-election prior to a general one.
      
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      November 23, 2022 11:49am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        “In the past” being in the mid-1990’s, when he was a law student. My views on things have certainly changed markedly in the last 30 years.
        
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        November 23, 2022 12:12pm
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        dubya – This is my point. ACT is going to split the anti Labour vote and Labour will win and the bribed up MSM will celebrate this as Cindy’s victory.
        
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        November 23, 2022 1:21pm
- Nickc2
  
  Why didn’t they do this prior to Sharma’s expulsion? It’s not as if the problem has just manifested itself eh?
  Lying bastards!
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:32am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Like National and their pledge to replace 10 one-way bridges in Northland, a week after one W Peters drew attention to the roading neglect by National over the previous 7-odd years?
    
    They hadn’t included any of them in their $212m roading package announced in their regional roading transport policy, and the out-going Mike Sabin had been agitating for investment for 2 years without success.
    
    They all do it, I think the term is pork-barreling.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:19am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Sorry – here’s the link: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/northland-byelection-nats-promise-bridges-upgrade/3NGS2GLOW2RSAQHG5NBGBPKF4A/
      
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      November 23, 2022 10:20am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        That announcement sink National in that by-election. But Megan Woods being loved by all Kiwis, will get away with this. Bribed up MSM won’t follow on this.
        
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        November 23, 2022 11:01am
  - Keith White
    
    “Lying bastards!”
    
    Nuanced, but accurate 🙂
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:55pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  aotearoa’s msm will be completely over this – remember how they attacked the National govt for preferential spending when Winston won the Northland by-election?
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:01am
- Prince
  
  Labour dip into the limitless Taxpayer and Debt fund to run their campaign.
  All other parties depend on supporters’ donations and time to run theirs.
  There is no corruption in New Zealnad.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:05am
  - Warren
    
    Three billion of that was swipped from the Covid-19 slush fund when they funded School Lunches, Camera’s on fishing boats and other projects.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:21am
    - pdm
      
      A fair dollop was siphoned off a few weeks ago for some ideological project Warren.
      
      The details escape me but 3/5Waters rort rings a bit of a bell.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:46am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      They may have funded something to do with cameras on fishing boats, but it hasn’t had the desired effect of putting cameras on all fishing boats.
      
      “But under the incoming Labour Government, the scheme was delayed several times because of opposition from NZ First. Former fisheries minister Stuart Nash was forced to apologise when his frustrations with the coalition partner were made public.”
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130485034/delay-hits-cameras-on-boats-programme-in-mui-dolphin-habitat
      
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      November 23, 2022 10:23am
- nathie
  
  Good points to raise, i.e. the Stuff headline “Better off without him? Hamilton lavished with spending since Sharma’s expulsion”, because it highlights a subtle bias (against Dr Sharma) and highlights Labour’s blatant attempts to manipulate the electorate in their favor (some of which seem to be re-announcements), which Stuff ought to be questioning more than it is.
  
  I wish Dr Sharma the best for the by-election, his integrity exposed Labour’s bullying culture (from individuals within to the way the Party crushes non-conforming views and manipulates the media to side with them against “whistle blowers” by calling them “renegade” or “rebel” …. why don’t they use the correct term such as “victim”)?
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:46am
  - Jack5
    
    Stuff is a Huntaway barking to the Shepherdess’s whistle.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bribes never work in bi-elections
  
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  November 23, 2022 11:46am
  - virtualmark
    
    General elections are about whether you want the blue team or the red team.
    
    By-elections are referendums on “Do you have any complaints?”. And voters nearly always have complaints about the current government.
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:10pm
RockyJ

Hey Kiwibloggers, I am pleased to announce that the resistance is growing into real action. Fewer keyboard warriors and more boots on the ground.

Eight of us from Democracy Action showed up at the entrance to the “Constitutional Korero” conference at Auckland University on Monday morning. Every attendee had to pass our display and silent protest.

The purpose of this conference is to work towards a transformation of New Zealand’s constitution to realise the goals of the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous people by bringing in a constitution based on the Treaty of Waitangi. Our opposition to this was explained in the signs behind us which said:
•No mandate for constitutional change. Save our democracy
•Political equality for all
•The fundamental rights and freedoms of all shall be respected. UNDRIP
•72% said no to a treaty based constitution
•Stop dividing us

Conference attendees seemed surprised to see us but all were polite and respectful. We were even met and welcomed by conference coordinator, Claire Charters. A few wanted to engage in a debate but we shut this down as our intention was to simply let the signs do the talking for us.

My impression of facial reactions ranged from anger and annoyance from some to a look of embarrassment and even shame from others. I think this was a very successful demonstration by Democracy Action to at least stimulate doubt in the minds of those who believe that our precious value of “one person, one vote” is no longer relevant.
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November 23, 2022 8:18am
- kevn
  
  @Rocky… Thank you for fronting on behalf of us all.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:47am
- Yvette
  
  RockyJ – “We were even met and welcomed by conference coordinator, Claire Charters”.
  
  Claire Charters. who co-wrote “He Puapua”?
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:03am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Looks more Pakeha than Maori, says she is Ngati this and Ngati That but doesn;t mention Ngati Pakeha.
    
    Attended one of the World’s Great Universities, on the taxpayers dime and now ants more.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:07am
  - RockyJ
    
    Yes. That Claire Charters
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:16am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  RockyJ – Wow Eight is a huge number! Well done.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:21am
  - RockyJ
    
    We deliberately kept the number low. We didn’t want a riot.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:57am
  - ISeeRed
    
    What are you doing, apart from snark?
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:06pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      ISeeRed – I very clearly know nothing will ever change in this country. So having a good time having a laugh.
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:23pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well done to all of you. We need more of this if we want to save anything that resembles democracy.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:26am
- Keith White
  
  Where can we go to support this? I’m working still so cannot show up, but if there’s another way / funding, please direct.
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:57pm
  - RockyJ
    
    Here. We are pretty civilised. https://www.democracyaction.org.nz/
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:25pm
    - Keith White
      
      Thank you RJ!
      
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      November 23, 2022 2:36pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets…

‘You will own nothing and you will be happy.’

The end of freedom as we know it….

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1595103014435844097
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November 23, 2022 8:21am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  That’s the goal of the world’s communist, the elite try to control YOUR LIFE completely, inclusive our illustrate leader!!!!
  How you have to live, how much money you can own and spend, how long you can live etc.
  The only option the people have, go into serious civil unrest.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:28am
  - artemisia
    
    There are other options. Some of them involve sell up, pocket the capital gain and a one way ticket. One older family member has done that and now lives very well indeed in Vietnam.
    
    Personally not planning to leave but making sure the family is financially protected and not buffeted by every wind that blows.
    
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    November 23, 2022 8:49am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Unfortunately Vietnam (unless a Citizen) has limited Visa to a one month visit. A couple of friends living there for many years have had their residential visa replaced with one month jobbies. One month in Vietnam, then one Month out before you can come back..
      
      I looked at the Vietnam option 8 years ago, but decided on Cambodia where the paperwork is really really simple.
      
      One year multiple entry visas renewable via the local travel agent!!!
      
      But Yes, Vietnam is a lovely place to live, especially on the Coast. Communism means good roads. Capitalism means lots of reasonably priced goods and services.
      
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      November 23, 2022 3:14pm
- Ehlana
  
  Maggie, I’ve heard this quoted a lot lately. Who actually said it?
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Klaus.
    
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    November 23, 2022 8:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      Cindy’s BFF!
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ehlana – here’s an excerpt from a UK Spectator article re the man.
    
    For the very few of you who have not heard of Klausie baby, he is the founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, or WEF, a grandiose title and well deserved to be sure, although it once created a social media video that contained the slogan: ‘You will own nothing, And you’ll be happy.’ The WEF is where technocratic dreams make contact with business and political biggies high up in the Swiss Alps. Personally, I think it’s a networking scam, and the media have for a long time shielded the public from its goals. Except when Forbes magazine published a WEF think piece back in 2016 headlined: ‘I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better.’
    
    The problem is it is not a “networking scam”, it’s a real entity and Ardern is one of many politicians who was tutored by and successfully graduated from Herr Klaus’s school of “Global Young Leaders”. Dismiss this at your peril.
    
    It is paywalled article, but there are ways around that.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:55am
    - Keith White
      
      “You’ll Own Nothing and Be Happy (originally You’ll Own Nothing and You’ll Be Happy) is a catchphrase originating from a 2016 essay by Danish MP Ida Auken which was included in the video “8 Predictions for the World in 2030” by the World Economic Forum. While the prediction was originally explained as “all products will become services,” in has since been increasingly regarded as a harbinger of dystopian times when the human right to property would be abolished for the benefit of the few. Online, the catchphrase and image macros based on it have been used to comment on sociopolitical and economic issues and developments.”
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:02pm
  - Keith White
    
    I trust this link passes muster; it’s to a Forbes article written by a WEFfer, a proto-Karen, i.e. basically a Julia (if you remember the Julia-based election ads from the Obama campaign back in 2012). Explains their, ahem, “logic”.
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=79d759361735
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:00pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The useful idiots Plunket and Laws on The Platform will call you a foil hat wearing nutter for pointing out the absolutely proven fact that Klaus and the WEF have way too much power and influence for an totally unelected body, or that Ardern is in this nazi’s hip pocket.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:45am
Tony Stuart

Newstalk ZB had a story at 7am suggesting National should be focusing on corporate tax avoiders, not gangs. The person quoted was “community advocate” Denis O’Reilly. Might it have been the “Black Power life member Denis O’Reilly” mentioned here?

Black Power life member Denis O’Reilly said local police and voices of reason in the community were working to prevent the risk of compounding tension and potential violence in the community.

“People start arming themselves because of their paranoia and stuff fires off very quickly – that is why it is important to have sane and sound voices to nip these bloody things in the bud,” O’Reilly said.

“Communities get under stress, social media is a b*****d, people making allegations against one another or stirring each other up and next minute you don’t even know where it came from.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/concern-about-compounding-effect-of-recent-violent-crime-in-hawkes-bay/GPN6G2537NDQPDG42XZ5BHIBMY/

And wouldn’t news stories have more value, especially from an accuracy point of view, if the media actually made these disclosures proactively, rather than relying on listeners or readers to go on Google and confirm their suspicions?
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November 23, 2022 8:24am
- Blackbob
  
  I think they’re relying on you taking their news articles at face value…being suspicious and investigating further is not the norm, or desirable by the media, unfortunately.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  Isn’t it extraordinary how the media will happily , readily host people like that and yet they go to huge lengths to toe the pardy line on excluding certain other voices under various titles of ;disinformation/misinformation, denier ( of a variety of issues) , far right , race supremicists, ‘phobes’ of any number of degrees etc .
  
  It’s long past time for the msm to have a genuine concern for all the very many victims in NZ of this growing organised crime menace .
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:40am
  - Paulus
    
    What do you think the Public Interest Journalism Fund is all about – additional to the $55 million already shed in propaganda by this incompetent Government.
    Propaganda will get much worse before the election and will cost whatever can be spent in the wrong places.
    Win at any cost, to you, Government.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:16am
- Clyde
  
  Hosking is reporting that gang numbers are up 56%, prison population down 24% and violent crime up 21%. All are linked and all have a common cause. That cause is the Liemore Pardy. Hosking’s interview with Andrew Dolittle on mental health spending with no results was worth listening to – if there was ever a possum in the headlights, Dolittle is it. But the biggie is the 5 waters and the [Mod – please don’t use nicknames] desire to aid and assist the East Polynesians to control our water.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:45am
  - leoj
    
    Tell it like it is….
    
    The very best part of Hosking’s Woods/Mitchell show is when he described Three Waters as MAORI TAKEOVER.
    
    Because, that’s what it is. The Maori Caucus is actually running the country.
    
    Labour have the votes.
    
    Thanks Winston (2017) and those bloody morons that voted for this mob in 2020.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      @leoj. See http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
      It is all in there.
      
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      November 23, 2022 12:15pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Mod, the nickname “Red Witch” is allowed but “Te Reo Luxon” that I and others have used isn’t? This “no nicknames for politicians” policy is applied very inconsistently.
    
    [Mod – thanks for pointing that out, fixed ]
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:10pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      haha
      Wokism is a terrible disease, like cancer it pops up in unusual places and is hard to eradicate.
      
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      November 23, 2022 3:18pm
- Keith White
  
  I can see why people are arming themselves, but I’m having difficulty finding a trebuchet with a towbar. Oh well.
  
  Anyway, maybe we will all have to go the Davidian ‘Five Smooth Stones’ route someday? When the Laborites follow the Londonistanians and ban even sharpy-things.
  
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  November 23, 2022 2:42pm
rouppe

Listened to Megan Woods on Newstalk ZB.

The lying is breathtaking. Truly Goebbles levels of miss direction, tiny elements of truth in the wider lie, its truly the end of times of Labour isn’t stopped
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November 23, 2022 8:30am
- RoboRob
  
  Without future allocations accounted for
  
  With future allocations accounted for
  
  Post interview Mike opined on the disconnect between what Labour were saying and reality. He wondered how this has come to be.
  
  My take is 6 years ago when labour said things like…
  We will force landlords to upgrade rentals so they are warmer and dryer. Landlords will absorb any extra costs. Greedy landlords will be forced to pay more tax. There will be more rentals and they will be more affordable
  
  The community lapped it up, even though the goals were obviously not achievable (you can have better accommodation for more money, or cheaper accommodation but you cant get both). Labour learnt that its constituency would believe anything they were told as long as the right person said it with the right tone.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:03am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    RoboRob – “The community lapped it up” – This is what I have been saying. The sheeple voted for this. Let them have it.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:23am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yeah but the non sheeple and their children get to reap the rewards too. They damage caused by these incompetent fools will last for decades.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:38am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Majority rules RoboRob. I am one of the non sheeple, but I have to live with the decision sheeple made. At least I am happy that sheeple are getting it on the chin.
        
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        November 23, 2022 1:24pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Sorry please ignore the ….
    
    ‘Without future allocations accounted for’
    and
    ‘With future allocations accounted for’
    
    They are a cut and paste errror. I edited the post and removed them but still here they are 🙂
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:36am
- Tricati
  
  Heard her as well. Seems she is giving a different version of 3 waters to that of Robertson on HDPA’s show, and to suggest farmers and local bodies requested the changes through the select committee is just blatantly lying. If Labour are to keep pushing out their dis-information, then they need to get their story straight as it is only reinforcing that the 3 waters is a cluster F#$$.
  I do wish when she, Robertson or Ardern are being questioned on this, they are asked to quantify the savings rate payers are to see, and what areas of NZ currently have un-drinkable potable water.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:07am
  - rouppe
    
    I’ve been wondering whether there is a lie within a lie going on.
    
    Megan repeatedly said “there has been no increase in scope for 3 waters”.
    
    We all took 3 waters to mean drinking, storm and waste water. What if they let us think that but to them 3 waters always meant fresh, coastal and geothermal?
    
    Megan never said 3 waters was and is only drinking, storm and waste, she never said 3 waters was always fresh, coastal and geothermal, she only said 3 waters hasn’t changed.
    
    Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but… You can’t get past Labour’s predilection to always lie
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:28am
    - RoboRob
      
      I picked that up too. One could take her statements to mean, 3 waters has always contained these other waters too, nothing has changed.
      
      Very Winston Peters like.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Woods is a snake in the grass. Clever but dangerous.
      
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      November 23, 2022 12:19pm
  - Nickc2
    
    It should be noted that under the Maori interpretation of 3/5Waters, the word Sustanance is used IMO to justify their claims to Sea and Geothermal waters.
    This is simply another way of claiming ownership of the Foreshore, Seabed, Rivers, and Lakes which they were unable to achieve under previous Govts.
    Such a move must be resisted at all costs!
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:33am
  - Drone
    
    Hi Tricati, I’m not sure that there have ever been statements about savings for ratepayers. What there has been are statements about if we don’t do 3 aters rates will rise astronomically. Sticks but no carrots. I’ll be interested to see that will happen to my rates bill when the water component comes out (if it does ). How will councils survive on reduced funding,
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:55am
    - Ehlana
      
      If we don’t do three waters rates will rise astronomically? Maybe.
      
      But surely they don’t expect us to believe either that rates will now go down because the three waters costs are no longer on Council, or that we won’t pay an even more astronomical amount of money through their new entities?
      
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      November 23, 2022 11:18am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Farmers wanted action, they did not want a crippling tax
    
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    November 23, 2022 11:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does Jacinda Ardern have a clue as to what is in the 3 Waters Bill?

when Soper raised the issue of Te Mana o te Wai statements with Ardern and queried why they were now encompassing geothermal and foreshore water her response was, “are you talking more about the RMA legislation?”

Then followed a brief and totally irrelevant aside from the Prime Minister about resource consent processes before she finally admitted, “my issue is that I’m struggling to quite understand the question that you’re putting to me …”.

That seems to be a rather startling admission from the Prime Minister that she is not on top of the details. Te Mana o te Wai statements are at the heart of these reforms and have been thoroughly discussed by Cabinet over several years.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-cabinet-loses-grip-of-five-waters
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November 23, 2022 8:31am
- Blackbob
  
  So who’s actually in charge in Labour?
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:35am
  - Ehlana
    
    Whoever the lead spirit of Te Ao Maori is?
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:09am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Klaus Schwab?
    The Maori caucus?
    Some communist leader?
    Certainly not Ms Ardern.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Maori Caucus led by Mahuta and Jackson.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:18am
    - pdm
      
      Especially Willie Jackson.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:52am
      - Bridgenag
        
        The 22% Maori man
        
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        November 23, 2022 2:07pm
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, their Maori Caucus.
    Overheard from Jackson to Robertson: “Just get us da money bro!” //
    Overheard from Mahuta to Ardern: Just stay out of the way bitch, we’re in charge now!” //
    Feel free to add.
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:41am
    - Keith White
      
      “Make a new plan, man
      You’re not even a boy, Roi
      Just fill the trough for us, Gus
      And shut up and pay.”
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:04pm
  - Littletramp
    
    Tuku Morgan.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Jackson and his so called Māori caucus
    
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    November 23, 2022 11:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    H1
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:24pm
- RoboRob
  
  She is never on top of details, none of them are. Andrew little was on the AM show about mental health and claimed to not know how many beds were currently available. Either lying or incompetent, take your choice.
  
  They have learnt that they can say whatever they want and the media and public will generally accept it as the truth. Did you know that 3 waters is a National / Nick Smith policy that councils and farmers pushed Labour to implement. Megan says it is.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:07am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Even if it was Robo, I doubt very much that Nationals version would have involved Maori ownership or the dilution of the rights of the majority. Only Labour have done that. And by the way, Megan Woods is entirely inept. A low level manager that has, via a shallow talent pool, risen far above her few abilities.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:04am
  - Dougal10
    
    Nick smith got booted out so it’s a poor argument by woods
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:37am
  - greybeard
    
    That was a great interview ( slaughter ? ) by Hosking.
    When a rabid commie union lawyer is appointed “Health Minister” what on earth do people expect ?
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:49am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  I can imagine that she will be explaining to the Journo’s later this afternoon why the GDP “rate” made to be moved so drastically by Governor Orr…….
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:34am
- Bob
  
  I’m struggling to quite understand ……
  this must be the FIRST TRUE statement that Ardern has made!
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I heard that too. It was astonishing, even for Jacinda. Totally clueless.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:03am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Not so astonishing Ben. The reason she “refutes” every questions premise is that she doesn’t have the intellectual fire power to discuss or debate. In fact she has to be the most intellectually bereft PM NZ has ever had.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:09am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Totally clueless yes – but it makes me wonder how to describe the remaining MPs she controls …….
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:15am
Maggie Pie

>>>WORLD PREMIER<<<

Anyone who has been vaccinated needs to watch this doco. It's about the biggest crime against humanity, ever!
Big Pharma made billions. Millions have died.

https://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1594828053980807169
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November 23, 2022 8:47am
- Frank the tank
  
  And to think the nutjobs are trying to make a comeback. Covidcult mark 2.
  
  The local doctor reckons the seasonal flu is worse than these new “variants”.
  
  It’s almost enough to make you vote for Winny.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:47am
  - Ghost
    
    I had the flu that’s going around at the moment, laid me out for a week, still getting over it 3 weeks latter
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:57am
    - MCōs
      
      Flu is almost always a nasty ailment to catch.
      Like anything it varies from person to person.
      
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      November 23, 2022 10:41am
      - Frank the tank
        
        C’mon Cosy prior to covidcult and the smug hermit kingdom the flu was a seasonal ailment you struggled through while working – nor it knocks out even the hardiest of individuals. Covid on the other hand for the majority of us is mild.
        
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        November 23, 2022 1:26pm
      - Joely Doe
        
        Yeah, influenza can vary however it is usually a mild to moderate illness.
        
        Most of the ‘man-flu’ or ‘chick-sick’ winter ailments are able to be worked through, as usually just a simple head cold or rhinovirus.
        
        Influenza, 20+ yrs ago last time I had it, knocked me around for about 3 months. Wiped out and sleeping away weekends for a month. Nasty.
        
        Many conflate the two and rubbish seasonal ‘flu’ illnesses.
        Flu kills. Head colds don’t.
        
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        November 23, 2022 1:40pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – are you double or triple jabbed? I think if so, that’s your problem. We have many friends around us who have been laid out with something. Some have said it’s covid, others are saying it isn’t. I believe those saying it isn’t are among those who have realised the fuck up they made when believing Ardern and her lies. They are now embarrassed to admit this.
      Anyway, I understand that “correlation is not causation” etc, but of all the people I know in our very small community, ALL of those who have got sick over the last few weeks are jabbed. NONE of the people I know who didn’t have gotten sick. I include people I played golf with and who I variously shook hands with or hugged after the game.
      Take what you will from this anecdote, but the evidence is becoming impossible to ignore. Original Antigenic Sin was warned about and it is happening.
      
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      November 23, 2022 11:07am
      - Ghost
        
        my doctor and I talked about the vaccine and both agreed i shouldn’t have it.
        
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        November 23, 2022 11:17am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Winny is a virus. Don’t go there.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Frank – whatever you do, do NOT fall for this bullshit bivalent injection being pushed in the Northern hemisphere, the one that was only tested on 8 mice. Good luck with that.
    
    The excellent Eugyppius has posted regarding the whole science behind viruses. The idea of a “triple whammy” (flu, covid and RSV) hitting at once is ludicrous. Anyone taking this shit deserves what they get. Particularly if they believed a single word from the liar Ardern. The fact alone that she was pushing it should be enough to get every alarm bell screaming.
    
    A news article at Science throws water on the prospect of an impending SARS-2, RSV and influenza “tripledemic”, pointing to “a growing body of epidemiological and laboratory evidence” which suggests that “SARS-CoV-2 and other respiratory viruses often ‘interfere’ with each other.” There is therefore little chance that all three viruses “will peak together and collectively crash hospital systems.”
    
    They finish with this salient point, read the article and it will make perfect sense.
    
    “there’s no upside in trying to avoid seasonal respiratory infections.”
    
    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/after-three-years-of-studiously-ignoring
    
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    November 23, 2022 11:28am
    - Frank the tank
      
      After “Covidcult” mark one not going to get any fucking jabs – flu included.
      
      You can take that to the bank.
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:28pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Getting over the flu myself.
    Started 2 weeks ago.
    Only coming right now.
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:02pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      alex – you’re immune system will do it’s thing, next time something similar comes along the effects will be lessened, at a minimum. It is a far better and far safer piece of equipment than anything Pfizer can ever produce. The most corrupt outfit on the planet. A pox on every single one of them and those who pushed this poison onto the public.
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:47pm
- krazykiwi
  
  People who accepted the panic narrative and willingly offered their shoulders for a novel, fraudulently tested, genetic therapy will largely ignore this content.
  
  It is simply too difficult to admit being duped, even when their friends start dying or being so unlucky as to develop cancer, or other ‘rare’ conditions.
  
  It is easier to willfully ignore it all, and to not call for any accountability.
  
  And in doing so these people set themselves up for a serving of a subsequent psyop-underpinned tyranny.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:23am
  - Littletramp
    
    “People will always forgive you for being wrong, but they will never forgive you for being right when they were wrong”.
    Thomas Sowell I think.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:42am
  - MCōs
    
    Sounds like you’re the one who’s getting hysterical.
    Everyone I know has been vaccinated against everything that’s going and none of them have died.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:50am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Yet.
      
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      November 23, 2022 11:13am
      - MCōs
        
        I’ll get back to you on my deathbed
        
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        November 23, 2022 11:55am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        MCōs – I don’t wish it on anyone including you. But it’s happening, whether you refuse to see it or not.
        
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        November 23, 2022 12:04pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      So let me understand your thinking:
      
      “All is fine because no one I know has, to date, experienced any issues.”
      
      Got it.
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:58pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      About 2000 more elderly people died in NZ 2021 during the vaccination program before covid really took off. Ie about one in 500 of oldest million NZers. Hard to notice 1 in 500 missing from a crowd, but it’s not a small number.
      
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      November 23, 2022 3:01pm
      - Ghost
        
        Part of the reason for our increased death toll is the hospitals closed in the lock down, treatments delayed, diagnosis of cancers etc delayed.
        
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        November 23, 2022 3:07pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    KK – yup, you probably read one of the latest Bad Cattitude posts.
    
    ……in the case of covid, this one is going to be easy to forget because most people want to. the whole matter is aided and abetted by the need for collective amnesia. even those who did not push tyranny but merely went along to get along are abashed. most of the middle feels like a heel for having complied, for having been a tacit collaborator, and for not picking fights.
    
    they feel like cowards.
    
    they just want it to go away and never think of it again like a bad dream and over time will come to pretend that they were braver and stronger and more independent and indominable than they were. no one likes to remember subjugation so the past twists over time until every docile waterboy was the homecoming hero quarterback.
    
    this is how 90% of the french wind up claiming their grandparents were in “la resistance” when even even 10% of them were telling the truth, france would have been un-occupiable.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/adverse-results-from-adverse-selection
    
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    November 23, 2022 11:13am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes, this was a must-read post from the bad cat.
      
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      November 23, 2022 2:13pm
- Miritu
  
  Here’s a more reliable link than via Twitter:
  https://stopworldcontrol.com/suddenly/
  
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  November 23, 2022 11:04am
- Ghost
  
  Stew Peter’s, didn’t he put out a video claiming Covid was caused by snake venom in the water?
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:01pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ghost – don’t do the ad hominem, it’s well past the use by date. If the source is inaccurate in some way then debunk it with evidence. Cheers.
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It has been removed from YouTube. Why?
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:36pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If Youtube have pulled it you know it’s true.
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Still up SteveO.
    
    And this….
    
    https://twitter.com/RealRawNews1/status/1595195428244520961
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:47pm
kevn

@Maggie… Tough viewing right there on the embalmers table.
But thanks for the link.
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November 23, 2022 8:53am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kevn – it has been an incredibly difficult few years for many, never forget and in particular, never forget those responsible.
  
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  November 23, 2022 11:29am
Ghost

Let’s hope no one who shoplifts asks to be treated like a police officer

No charges have been laid against a Northland police officer who was alleged to have shoplifted from a supermarket on multiple occasions and who resigned while an investigation was under way.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/northland-cop-who-allegedly-shoplifted-from-supermarket-not-charged/FOPXNJ67VBCQPHNEUBTRLGOVKQ/
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November 23, 2022 8:54am
- Ehlana
  
  Can a shoplifter identify as a police officer?
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:05am
Warren

Cards made with Health Minister’s details were Nurses response to abuse says Union Delegate.
I am beginning to think that a lot of people are just plain stupid or just ignorant of the facts. When Labour won the last election many got out in droves to vote for Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Labour, with many former National voters amongst them and their message of “nine years of neglect and underfunding of the Health System and other Portfolio’s.
Now we have Nurse’s abused in our Hospitals by Patients that don’t know the facts so Nurse’s have taken it on board and have cards made with the Health Minister’s Andrew Littles details which they give to the Patients in response to the abuse they receive from them.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cards-with-health-ministers-contact-details-were-nurses-response-to-abuse-says-union-delegate/QAWQIVCHTJFPTNZVEMWLCLOSFQ/
How can Andrew Little defend the undefendable and also deny what is happening in our Hospitals.
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November 23, 2022 8:55am
- RoboRob
  
  Easy. Labour voters know that Labour has spent more on health than any other government. They are just cleaning up Nationals mess.
  
  Think I’m joking, just ask any Labour voter. Labours messaging is good. Tell a lie often enough and people believe it as truth.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour have destroyed the Health System in 5 years.
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:39pm
Yvette

Religious communities protected
After years of divisive policy debate, six proposals and thousands of submissions, the Government released its new hate speech law proposal on Saturday – making just one change to the Human Rights Act … one amendment to the hate speech laws to include religious communities.

Will the undefined term “religious” apply to te Ao Maori– the Maori world-view, of beliefs and spirituality – like rivers legally recognised as persons?

Will Ardern, Human Rights or Meng Foon define te Ao Maori, religion so co-governance and Mana o the Wai statements can be publicly debated?

And here is the “kicker” – If anything relating to “te Ao Maori’ is deemed offending under the new “religious” protection of “hate law” it must mean it is a religion, and so should not be part of the State.

But “te Ao Maori’ in some cases is already linked to the State.
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November 23, 2022 8:57am
- pdm
  
  I would not trust Hunt or Meng Foon on anything.
  
  Both are nothing more than Political Activists for Labour and Maori.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:55am
Ghost

No, you really haven’t Andrew. It is a sad country we live in where a comedian does more for mental health than the health minister, that cares more for mental health than the government.

The Health Minister is fighting back claims the Government’s done nothing to improve the state of New Zealand’s mental health.

It comes after fresh claims billions of dollars in mental health funding is going down the drain, with exclusive figures provided to Newshub showing New Zealand currently has 608 beds for acute patients – the exact same number as five years ago when Labour came into Government.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/andrew-little-says-labour-has-done-a-lot-to-improve-mental-health-services-despite-no-acute-beds-being-added-in-five-years.html
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November 23, 2022 8:57am
- rouppe
  
  Yes, he said this morning the planned new facilities hadn’t even been started. Where has the money gone?
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:33am
  - cmm
    
    Taniwha is sleeping it off…
    
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    November 23, 2022 9:47am
    - Bob
      
      Taniwha is sleeping ON it ..
      Fixed it for you.
      
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      November 23, 2022 9:57am
  - Prince
    
    Exactly. What a great campaign slogan / bumper sticker that would make.
    Where has the money gone ?
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That comedian has been through mental health problems. I watch him whenever I can.
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:42pm
nathie

The Prime Minister, Labour, MSM and so-called “experts” have been warning us about people getting their information from unverified social media sources (and not from official MSM or Govt sources), they call this “disinformation”.

But wait a minute the same Prime Minister, Labour, MSM and so-called “experts” want the voting age lowered to 16 years old.

Despite surveys showing most young people do not get their information from official MSM or Govt sources (and definitely not from the likes of TVNZ/Newshub News at 6pm) … they get their information from unverified social media sources and watch non-traditional MSM content providers like Netflix!

Labour, MSM and the Greens seem oblivious to this “disinformation” disconnect and are intent on enabling it!
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November 23, 2022 9:05am
- mandk
  
  “Safe and effective” is the best example of misinformation there is.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:23am
- Littletramp
  
  Here’s the thing Prime Minister.
  A different opinion than yours is not misinformation.
  A different opinion than yours is not disinformation.
  A different opinion than yours is not hate speech.
  A different opinion than yours is not racism.
  A different opinion than yours is just a different opinion than yours.
  How about applying your resources to fixing education, infrastructure, health, the economy & crime for starters?
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:55am
Master Mariner

And here’s why Inflation to a larger degree will not come down here in NZ, Mostly due to its Geographic location and “Scorched Earth” energy policy.

“As the EU embargo on imports of Russian diesel enters into force, “The competition for non-Russian diesel barrels will be fierce, with EU countries having to bid cargoes from the US, Middle East and India away from their traditional buyers,” the International Energy Agency (IEA) said in its Oil Market Report for November.”
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Strike-At-BPs-Largest-European-Refinery-Could-Deepen-Diesel-Crisis.html

The Diesel costs in shipping in smaller parcels ( Product tanker) as opposed to larger Crude ( Think Marsden Pt) are adding significantly to the cost of Goods to NZ’ers.

I can’t see inflation going down in NZ for a long time too be honest.

Diesel is the life blood to NZ Primary Producers.
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November 23, 2022 9:18am
- Jack5
  
  If the Marsden Point refinery had not been closed, would that have held down NZ diesel prices?
  
  The value of the distribution network from Marsden Point seems to have been overlooked as well.
  
  As Master Mariner and others have pointed out, Marsden Point was an important strategic asset and it will at times be greatly missed.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:28am
  - SoloView
    
    @ Jack5
    What would have the solution been to Marsden closure?
    Force the private owners to keep a plant that was outdated open
    or
    Bought the Marsden Point refinery and run it at a loss?
    or
    Do the free market economy thing and just let it go?
    Personally – I don’t know.
    
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    November 23, 2022 11:49am
    - artemisia
      
      Well SoloView you have given three options, including do nothing. If it was deemed a strategic asset then Ministers had the option of getting officials (Treasury, Energy, Employment…) to find a whiteboard and get their arms around options, priorities, costs and benefits. Isn’t that their day job? And I include Ministers in that.
      
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      November 23, 2022 12:00pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The managed to keep Tiwai Point subsidised for a very long time, the main reason being it employed a lot of people. A fuel refinery is a genuine strategic asset, surely it would be worth support?
      
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      November 23, 2022 12:29pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Labour do not think like that, they can’t.
        
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        November 23, 2022 12:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        Tiwai Point wasn’t subsidised.
        
        It is an ideal customer for a power company, burning electricity steadily, round the clock, seven days a week, and 1600 km closer to the power source than NZ’s big electricity market, Auckland — and consumer and supplier are on the same island.
        
        But the main reason the State didn’t shut out the foreign owner is that the smelter brings in more than a billion dollars of foreign currency a year. It in effect exports electricity rather than feeds it, after transmission losses, to Auckland. And New Zealand hasn’t had a positive balance of payments for decades.
        
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        November 23, 2022 1:38pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Tiwai Point wasn’t “subsidised” as such.
        
        It was a classic “next best alternative” problem. Either sell the electricity to the smelter or …?
        
        Transmission constraints meant that you couldn’t get that large an amount of electricity out of Southland to points north, the HVDC link didn’t have enough capacity to export it to the North Island, and the rest of the South Island didn’t have the demand to absorb it. So you had a captive “negotiation”, which is to say you had a very very bad hand vs NZAS.
        
        But in the last 5 years or so Transpower has explicitly invested in transmission capacity, and so now Meridian & Contact do have other options and can negotiate the next Tiwai contract on better terms. So the relative bargaining power between Meridian, Contact and NZAS has changed markedly.
        
        Added to which, Tiwai is some of the highest grade and greenest aluminium in the world (which in these days of carbon pricing = some of the cheapest aluminium too). NZAS threats to close the smelter are a lot less persuasive than they were 10 years ago.
        
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        November 23, 2022 3:01pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Marsden Point wasn’t a strategic asset.
    
    Energy independence *is* strategically valuable.
    
    But Marsden Point was just as vulnerable and dependent on ships coming over the horizon as we are today without Marsden Point. Marsden Point gave us little to no more energy independence than we have today.
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:15pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Marsden Point refinery was built as a strategic asset, no question.
      
      Marsden Point is probably the country’s best natural deep-water port. Centralising the imports enabled big shipments on big tankers.
      
      A coastal shipping service had grown up distributing the output around the country, and the pipeline took petrol to Auckland.
      
      The seafarers (at least two of them master mariners) who post on Kiwiblog, have pointed out the effects of closing the refinery.
      
      As I recall, the supply and prices of diesel and bitumen for roading are affected, as well as transport to ports on the coast.
      
      The refinery was also the main source of carbon dioxide for industry. Someone may know whether alternative supplies have been settled.
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:47pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Well, from a life including providing commercial advice to NZRC – which I think is more relevant to this topic than piloting a ship – here’s some things to consider.
        
        1) For many years now Marsden Point has only been providing Auckland & Northland, via the pipeline to Wiri.
        
        2) The rest of the country has been serviced with petrol, diesel & avgas imported direct from Asia and shipped to Tauranga, Napier, New Plymouth, Wellington, Lyttleton, Port Chalmers etc.
        
        3) Exception being some low-volume distillate products like white spirits etc, which were refined at Marsden Point and/or also imported direct to Marsden Point before being distributed nationally, typically by the tankers run by what was Silver Fern Shipping Ltd.
        
        4) No matter what product … crude, refined, bitumen etc … **none of it originated in NZ**. The crude came from the Middle East (Marsden Pt was configured to refine a particular grade of ME crude, which is, for example, why NZ liquids were exported rather than refined here). The refined product mainly came from Malaysia, Indonesia & Singapore.
        
        5) So NZ has always been dependent/vulnerable on ships coming over the horizon. We hold about a 6-8 week supply domestically (too short IMO). The Govt did look at a strategic petroleum reserve in about 2006 (from memory), but decided not to do that (wrongly IMO).
        
        6) Yes there were some other products, such as CO2 but also low-demand distillates, that was useful to have Marsden Pt as a domestic source. But commercially it didn’t stack up for the shareholders or the Crown to keep it open just for those.
        
        The pragmatic reality was that Marsden Pt had reached a critical juncture where it was either a big re-investment or a shutdown. There wasn’t a strong enough commercial rationale to re-invest. Particularly because fossil fuel use is forecast to decline faster than the lifetime of the upgraded plant … so you create a big stranded asset risk.
        
        Note that thermal power stations in NZ face the same re-invest/shutdown/stranded asset dilemma. Contact Energy is shutting down TCC. Not because there’s no gas – there is. But mainly because the forecast generation dispatch hierarchy would leave it stranded before the new capex had been amortised. (But also partly because going 100% renewables is expected to significantly boost their share price, and shareholders are rational capitalists.)
        
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        November 23, 2022 2:20pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Can I also add that if I were King then NZ’s energy (in)dependence would be one of my major worry points.
        
        If/when China decides its time to “re-integrate” Taiwan then shipping from Asia is going to be massively disrupted. We have to expect huge disruptions to our access to fossil fuels.
        
        A Government that was focussed on our national interests and national resilience rather than on identity politics should be:
        1) Increasing our domestic stocks to at least a 4 month supply (note can get harder with longer than that due to seasonal product changes).
        2) Significantly increasing our electricity generation capacity (note the huge economic asymmetry between having too much generation capacity vs too little)
        3) Accelerating a transport migration from fossil fuels to electricity, so that more of our transport needs are met by domestically generated fuels.
        
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        November 23, 2022 2:28pm
      - Jack5
        
        Virtualmark’s … a life including providing commercial advice to NZRC.
        
        The question is: Presuming “commercial advice” relates to viability of the refinery, was that advice correct, and/or was it taken up by the directors of the New Zealand Refining Company, now Channel Infrastructure NZ Ltd?
        
        The company plans to use the deep-water harbour and jetty infrastructure of Marsden Point to import refined fuel which will be stored at the Marsden Point site in existing tanks.
        
        So this is about importing refined fuel as opposed to refining locally. Even when refining is more economic overseas, the fact that China and Russia are the second and third biggest refiners after the United States show that there is some strategic benefit in refining locally.
        
        The three big holdings among shareholders who voted to close the refinery were Exxon’s Mobil NZ, BP NZ, and Ampol’s Z Energy. I’m not sure I would trust my country’s fuel interests in their hands any more than Saudi-Arabians, Iraqis, Iranians have.
        
        Virtualmark, I’m not sure we have the same opinion of ship captains. I’ve encountered some very smart master mariners, and one or two less than bright accountants and lawyers.
        
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        November 23, 2022 4:14pm
      - kowtow
        
        ‘shareholders are rational capitalists.’
        
        Not if they’re ESG funds run by activists .
        
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        November 23, 2022 4:20pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Jack5, my work with NZRC was several years ago and not regarding whether to shutdown or not. But it was direct to the senior management and Board, and I had a lot of visibility into their operations and financials.
        
        Refining is becoming increasingly difficult (ie expensive) in first world countries because of the environmental regulations. So refining is concentrating into countries with less concern about the environmental costs. Russia and China probably aren’t that worried but, for example, the industry expects that no new refineries will ever be built in the USA.
        
        Refining is also becoming challenging in terms of the lifetime of plant, and whether you could commercially recover any investments made today before the industry moves from under you.
        
        Those are the two factors that basically did for Marsden Point.
        
        I’m not trying to diss Master Mariners – they are experts in their field. I’ll stay in my lane and not query a Master Mariner’s opinion on shipping. But I do know a thing or two about commercial and investment options, which is what the Marsden Pt shareholders faced.
        
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        November 23, 2022 4:42pm
      - virtualmark
        
        kowtow,
        
        People are rational and make rational choices. Even ESG activists.
        
        But “rational choices” are shaped by your objectives and your constraints. So if you think someone else is making an irrational choice then the first step is to try to better understand their objectives and their constraints.
        
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        November 23, 2022 4:46pm
- Nickc2
  
  Totally agree and all the waffle from the likes of James Shaw won’t change a thing.
  
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  November 23, 2022 11:33am
Paulus

Ministers are lying so hard they totally disconnect with each other as Woods has shown again, and Little, but he is just a Zombie dressed as a man.
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November 23, 2022 9:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

How does race-based co-Governance fit with the Bill of Rights?

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/11/22/thomas-cranmer-government-ducks-bill-of-rights-assessment-on-three-waters-bill/
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November 23, 2022 9:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

We are told repeatedly that Māori have a special relationship with water.

How is that relationship any more special than my relationship to water….or any living organism’s relationship to water?
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November 23, 2022 9:32am
- surfing
  
  Maori life is more important, so their relationship to anything that gives them life is more important than non-maori.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:38am
- cmm
  
  Something, something, Maui, something.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maui meaning from the google machine:
    Māui is a culture hero and a trickster, famous for his exploits and cleverness.
    Fitting.
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:54pm
- G152
  
  So how does that water bs affect their European genes
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:04pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Genuine question, if someone is 2% Maori doesn’t that clearly mean they are 98% non Maori? Does that mean I can do a DNA test and identify with any of the mongrel strands that make me who I am? Or like gender, can I simply identify as whatever race I want to be. I’m simply doing the logic on this.
  Real genealogy means many identifying as Maori should in reality be back in Scotland or Ireland fighting for their land back from the English.
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:35pm
  - Paulus
    
    Wynston Peters says that to be on the Maori Role you need to be 1/512.
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:36pm
- kowtow
  
  I don’t know how many times I’ve heard the ;
  
  “Maori xxxxx is so much more wunnerful than the whitey way of xxxxx”
  
  Funerals are a particular one that white inferiority complex sufferers seem to be “moved” by , invariably juxtaposed with how alienated they felt when attending this that or the other whitey funeral .
  
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  November 23, 2022 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

Hundreds of Twitterati reckon Nanaia tried to pull the flax over Cindy’s eyes while she was out of the country.
MY FAVE: Five-Waters…. dead IN the water. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/radionz/status/1595133892209434625
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November 23, 2022 9:37am
- Dougal10
  
  Which is why this stupid proxy voting in parliament needs to stop. If you are not there you dont get to vote , this should stop stuff getting snuck through while media eyes are looking at the pm on some overseas junket.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:44am
surfing

I’m eager for media to take Bob Jones’s challenge.

That is, to include ‘Maori race relations’ as an option in media polls regarding people’s most concerning issues.

https://nopunchespulled.com/2022/11/21/democracy/

It is beyond time to dump the notion that the treaty is a partnership, it isn’t and never was.
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November 23, 2022 9:43am
- mandk
  
  “… and never was.”
  
  Of course, it wasn’t. All the Brits signing the ToW intended was to offer Maori something that had not been granted to natives in other colonies, i.e. citizenship under the Crown.
  
  To claim or imagine otherwise is absurd.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:45am
- Benedict Yu
  
  About 12 months back, I was doing a short job for a Government agency analysing some census data. It was not a big job. After about 4 weeks I submitted a draft report to them. I had already had it peer reviewed.
  
  The only question they had was “Have you consulted our Treaty Partners?”
  
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  November 23, 2022 11:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Treaty is just a badly written Real Estate Document.
  I don’t know who posted that 3 or 4 weeks back.
  
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  November 23, 2022 1:01pm
  - virtualmark
    
    I think that if you’re registered on the Maori electoral roll then you should only be allowed to sell your house to the Crown. No private sales to anyone other than the Crown.
    
    And iwi and Maori trusts should certainly only be allowed to sell their land to the Crown.
    
    Article 2. Honour the Treaty.
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:17pm
  - Yvette
    
    Steve – “The Treaty is just a badly written Real Estate Document.
    I don’t know who posted that 3 or 4 weeks back.”
    – it was yourself –
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore)
    Special K. Expect nothing less. I thought the Treaty was a poorly written Real Estate Deal, not a bridge.
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    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/09/general_debate_28_september_2022.html#comment-3249929
    
    – although I will admit to having commented using that term myself.
    So if it wasn’t you, it was me
    
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    November 23, 2022 2:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How thick is the VP Horizontal Harris? You decide.
Just plug it in. Jesus!
https://rumble.com/vtkvco-must-see-kamala-tries-to-plug-in-an-electric-car….html?mref=lzerp&mc=3ifeq
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November 23, 2022 9:46am
Swifty

Heh.

English football fans dress as Crusader knights in Qatar:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11457525/World-Cup-Qatar-England-fans-dressed-Christian-crusaders-causes-stir.html
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November 23, 2022 10:13am
In Vino Veritas

One for Frank from yesterday. Had news from a close friend in the States who has spoken with Iger. Says the guy will end up being the problem, and has already promoted some of the people who have helped destroy Disney via their woke world view. Have now torched my Disney shares (at a small profit mind you!).
So Frank, your comment re Iger yesterday is correct.
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November 23, 2022 10:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  Yep – it was Iger that promoted Kathleen Kennedy who rooted the Star Wars franchise and also gave Fiege free range to screw the pooch with the MCU.
  
  Media:
  
  The largest problem they have media wise is that now they have given rise to woke it will be impossible to remove especially when the majority of your remaining cast are activists masquerading as actors and directors.
  
  The only reason MCU hasn’t hit bottom yet is that DC is even more ghastly.
  
  Parks:
  
  Large scale investment has been weak and even when spending large they have been spectacular failures such as the Star Wars ‘rides’.
  
  The brand is likely in terminal decline but will take years as there is no readymade alternative.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:47am
  - Frank the tank
    
    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2022/11/10/nolte-report-says-disney-wants-to-make-indiana-jones-a-girl/
    
    And this just sums up Disney at the moment.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:53am
slightlyrighty

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/no-evictions-of-unruly-tenants-by-k%C4%81inga-ora-after-receiving-more-than-6000-complaints/ar-AA14qyyH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8e354779a6fd43b1a5f0d1e8ca1b929d
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November 23, 2022 10:23am
nathie

Newshub had an interesting story on Parkinson’s disease last night. It was highlighting an increase in Parkinson’s for Maori patients who traditionally were statistically half the rate of Pakeha etc.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/how-new-research-on-parkinson-s-is-bad-news-for-m-ori-but-experts-want-help-from-wh-nau-to-learn-what-to-do-next.html

It was a great story as it highlighted people doing positive things to help beat or cope with Parkinson’s.

But the story was also great in another way, unintentionally, because it highlights an important topic that needs to be discussed and debated to inform both people and decision making, that is “critical” to the well-being of this country.

Which is, what portion of a person is deemed to be of a particular ethnicity? Particularly when they are of mixed race? And how does that then effect (in this case) health statistics and outcomes?

The subject of the story is described as “Maori”. But it is pretty obvious the same person has Pakeha ancestry.

My concern is health statistics can be either “manipulated” or “incorrectly applied” to people with mixed ethnicity.

Eg if the subject of the story has “more” Pakeha ancestry than Maori, wouldn’t it be better to classify him as “Pakeha” for Parkinson’s disease statistics rather than “Maori”?

Otherwise it will become normal for more Maori (of mixed Pakeha heritage) to be affected by Parkinson’s and thus “skewing” the statistics making it seem like things are getting worse for Maori (when perhaps it isn’t)?

(Clearly there will be many Maori, mainly activists and academics and politicians, that won’t be happy with having such a conversation … but it needs to be had. And I say this as someone with mixed heritage so I know and believe it is an issue that needs to be addressed)!
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November 23, 2022 10:29am
- nathie
  
  Meh edit function not working today, first sentence meant to say “It was highlighting an increase in Parkinson’s for Maori patients who traditionally were statistically half the rate of Pakeha etc”.
  
  [Mod – fixed it for you]
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:31am
  - nathie
    
    Thank you Mod! 🙂
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:38am
  - cmm
    
    Edit has been screwed since policies were changed post-Tarrant.
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:41am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Yes it started out as a good story that then declined into a woe is me story. It was typical of TV3.
  
  You are correct 100% how do we have a health system that seperates people by ethnic origin rather than the disease or illness that they have that needs help?
  
  We have it because the very activists, academics and politicians you speak of want it this way. They are known as the Treatyist Elite.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:42am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Maori shouldn’t be getting Parkinson’s or any other serious illnesses. I know this for a fact because the Maori Party states on their website that “it’s a well-known fact that Maori DNA is stronger than others'”
  
  So they should give back all those hundreds of millions, yes?
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:53am
- cmm
  
  Quite.
  If there is a genetic factor to health outcomes (as we know there are for some diseases), then the genetic % is material.
  
  It is your actual biology that matters for diseases and biological function. Biological function doesn’t care whether you identify as Maori or not – just your biological make up. (Ditto for your sexual identity).
  
  It could be, for instance, that the people identifying as Maori are increasingly European by genetics and thus it’s the change in genetic make up that is causing shifts in diseases.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:58am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Will the Clinton’s christmas-decorations hang themselves?

😎
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November 23, 2022 10:45am
- Ghost
  
  Depends, is bill well hung?
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:16pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ghost – reminds me, when Hilary had her fall a couple of years ago a reporter asked him, “how’s Hilary’s head?” Apparently he replied – “well she’s no Monica Lewinsky……”
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:40pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The story I heard was that Bill actually invited Monica into his office…. to see the ‘Presidential Clock’.
    When they were inside the Oval Office, Bill turned round and had his dick hanging out.
    Monica exclaimed… “You naughty thing! That’s not a clock!!
    Bill replied, “It will be when you put two hands and a face on it”
    
    😛
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:16pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Yeah Mags, there are umpteen Clinton jokes:
      “They didn’t find any stains on that dress, just a wad of bills”.
      “Arkansas is very proud of Mr. Clinton. All these women confessing to having sex with Bill Clinton and none of them are his sister”.
      Q: What does Monica Lewinsky have on her Resume?
      A: “Sat on the Presidential Staff”
      Bill & Hillary Clinton were sleeping one night at the White House. Hillary wakes up and starts shaking Bill to wake him up. “Bill, Bill wake up.”
      Bill stays sleeping. Hillary continues, “Bill, Bill wake up.” Bill finally wakes up and says, “What do you want?” Hillary responds, “I have to go use the bathroom.”
      To which Bill says, “Please tell me you didn’t wake me up just to tell me you have to go to the bathroom.” Hillary says, “No, I just wanted to tell you to save my spot.”
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:55pm
I remember when

The reason water wasn’t mentioned in the Treaty of Waitangi is that Maori had limited means of storing it.
Also it was available from many sources – rivers and streams, lakes, and rain.
Due to their inability to drink it the ocean only had transport and food options.
It was a source of transport and the provision of food.
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November 23, 2022 11:26am
Ghost

Newshub poll

Do you support National’s policy of sending teenage offenders to boot camps

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/have-your-say-do-you-support-national-s-policy-of-sending-teenage-offenders-to-boot-camps.html
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November 23, 2022 11:38am
- septic skeptic
  
  We should all tick “no” so that Cindy continues to figure the public are supportive of the catch and release strategy, coz children.
  
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  November 23, 2022 11:55am
- DeepBlue
  
  At noon 27% say no from over 6000 voters. I hope this is an indication of the left’s popularity in government.
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:04pm
  - Ghost
    
    Keep an eye on it, chances are like their other polls all off a sudden there will be a huge against vote.
    
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    November 23, 2022 12:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They might have Dominion Voting Machines……..
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:21pm
    - mandk
      
      There is definitely something dodgy going on.
      
      At 12.30 73% of approx 15,000 voters had said Yes.
      
      But by 1.30 the Yes vote had gone down to 58% of approx 23,000 voters.
      
      This implies that approx 75% of voters during that one hour interval said No.
      
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      November 23, 2022 1:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        Now closed with 50/50
        
        How weird it was closed after 3 hours, meant to be open for 24 hours
        
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        November 23, 2022 1:46pm
- cas
  
  The former Mayor of Kawerau supports them and says they have worked in his area.
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:36pm
- Bridgenag
  
  poll closed
  
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  November 23, 2022 2:21pm
Benedict Yu

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130556540/government-removes-its-own-handcuffs-on-coal-mining-oil-and-gas

OK so that is basically the end to fossil fuel exploration anywhere in New Zealand. So instead we will import coal from Indonesia and gas from Australia.
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November 23, 2022 11:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just plain dumb. Interfering commies. All part of fucking NZ over before the next Election.
  
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  November 23, 2022 1:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi.
What is Co-Governance?
A Maori and a non-Maori co-own a $1000 car. With democracy, they put in $500 each to make the purchase. They wash the car together, pay for the registration, warrant, and maintenance together, and have equal time driving it. They also have 50/50 ownership of a car park. All the expenses connected with the car park are shared equally.

Then the Maori wants to change from democracy to co-governance.

With co-governance, the Maori suddenly claims 100% ownership of the car and the carpark. He insists the non-Maori continues to wash the car, pay for the registration, maintenance and warrant. The Maori gets to drive the car whenever he wants. The non-Maori only gets to drive it when the Maori is not driving it AND pays the Maori a fee every time he uses it. He also charges the non-Maori an on-going fee for parking the car on the car park. When the car is sold, the Maori takes all the money.

If the 83% NZ sheeple (i.e. the non-Maori population of New Zealand) are ready to cede rights and submit to the ultimate authority of a 17% Maori minority, being pushed through illegally, they should at least do so after studying a clear explanation.

As Winston Peters says, co-governance and democracy are absolutely different.
Maori politicians deliberately use terms like “tweaked democracy” or “sophisticated governance” to muddle and confuse the public.

Don’t buy into it. Keep firmly in mind the story of the $1000 car.
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November 23, 2022 11:55am
- cmm
  
  If National continue to dither, then Winnie’s going to win Big Time.
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My guess is National will stop dithering about March next year.
    The Election can be delayed, but must be before Jan 13th 2024.
    
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    November 23, 2022 1:34pm
- trout
  
  Co-governance is a euphemism (implying some kind of productive working relationship) for a Maori veto over decision making. And the power conferred by the Maori veto will inevitably allow a price to exacted for cooperation. A Danegeld.
  
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  November 23, 2022 2:24pm
- Prince
  
  The problem is the car often had an accident when the Maori was riving – never when the Pakeha drove it.
  The car was obviously racist, along with the whole road/traffic/transport system.
  That is why the Maori had to be given 80% of the ownership rights, while the Pakeha paid 80% of the costs.
  
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  November 23, 2022 2:27pm
ClanMcleod

A piece in today’s Herald in which a mother rightly rages about the state of the health system in NZ. Her daughter was very ill, she describes the nightmare that ensued in great detail. I’m glad it all turned out for the best, but never forget, Ardern mandated thousands of professional health care workers out of a job because they refused to obey her.
There are other reasons for the current problems, but this decision by Ardern and the knock on effects are one of the primary reasons. The mandates, all of those who couldn’t be seen during lockdowns, who missed important health checks for various potentially deadly ailments. ALL of this is down to Ardern.

We’ve got this incredible workforce. Amazing people. Professional, knowledgeable, kind, ridiculously hard-working, patient, tolerant and so caring. And somehow, they turn up day in and day out and work in this broken down system. It is utterly incredible and yet shameful at the same time. It’s high time something is done to improve this.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/when-your-child-is-terrifyingly-ill-and-the-word-emergency-ends-up-a-sick-joke/IQ5FVGYXT5GG5JI64JQUBTQRP4/
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November 23, 2022 12:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  Little is too Pig Ignorant to admit he can’t find Nurses and Doctors etc who want to come and work in a third-world communist country given the wages and conditions of their employment in NZ.
  
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  November 23, 2022 12:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was a good read. DoLittle should be forced to read it.
  The Health System is very broken. I too have seen it first hand last year Oct onwards. The staff are tired and overworked. 4 trips to North Shore in an Ambulance. ICU all sorts of tests done. Man they take a lot of blood.
  Turns out the bad pain across my chest and down the arm was not my heart or anything happening inside. I have a rotor cuff tear and a tendon tear. That is the origin of the pain. Strong medication checks it while I wait for surgery, it will be a long wait.
  On top of that I have cubital tunnel problems in both elbows. Pinches the ulnar nerve. So I wait for the Health System to improve, and it will not improve under these socialist Labour bastards. Everything is run down and fucked by them.
  Rant over.
  
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  November 23, 2022 1:57pm
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    And a Rant it was.
    
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    November 23, 2022 7:55pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s called by earlier to drop us off a big bag of Limes.
She’s of the opinion that in the last five years, government corruption has completely fcuked this country.

Just saying.
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November 23, 2022 12:56pm
- Ghost
  
  Your partner’s called by? Ummm, how many partners do you have, and do they all know about each other?
  
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  November 23, 2022 3:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is happening to the two legged sheep in NZ.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/11/hundreds-of-chinese-sheep-walked-in-circle-for-nearly-two-weeks-due-to-anxiety-after-being-closed-in-pen-for-too-long-expert.html
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November 23, 2022 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, these are the same bastards who keep bears in tiny cages for years so to drain their bile. The poor animals of course slowly go insane.
  
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  November 23, 2022 2:42pm
Ghost

Just another day in the paradise of New Zealand

A person struck in a hit-and-run after an altercation in a carpark in west Auckland’s Glen Eden this afternoon has died, police have confirmed.

A hunt is underway to track down the vehicle involved.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/glen-eden-incident-armed-police-ambulances-at-the-scene-body-covered-by-sheet-on-the-ground/YHH4QO5JGNGCTLCRD5PLBBGM4E/
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November 23, 2022 1:40pm
Warren

For those that didn’t hear or watch Chris Luxon with Thomas Coughlan on being prudent with Taxes and Tax cuts if the are elected in 2023.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/focus-luxon-on-nationals-tax-plan/TYTACH5GF3TCKTY5LNM42X3C2M/
He couldn’t have been much Leader in this interview.
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November 23, 2022 2:06pm
Warren

Will interest rates have a impact on who people vote for next year after the RNZ Bank set a record as it lifts OCR by.75bp to4.25 % the highest since 2008.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2022/11/reserve-bank-delivers-record-75-basis-point-official-cash-rate-hike-as-high-inflation-lingers.html
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November 23, 2022 2:18pm
Swifty

That’s the thing about being a member of a religion which requires you to wear a uniform which informs everyone else of your allegiance – people can now see you for the hypocrite, and in this case the fraudster and liar intent on corrupting the public institutions of the very country and its inhabitants that has welcomed you, that you are.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/479315/woman-found-guilty-over-role-in-false-refugee-claims

Throw her in the big house for a few years and then boot her arse out.

No ifs nor buts.
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November 23, 2022 2:25pm
Maggie Pie

And fantastic to see the 75bp increase in the OCR.
My partner’s mum was saying she’s has just rolled over one of her TD’s for another 12 moths @ 5%.
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November 23, 2022 2:56pm
- gravedodger
  
  Pity it is devaluing at maybe double digits Maggie maybe time to investigate another form of investment?
  
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  November 23, 2022 3:54pm
- mogg
  
  There is a 2024 LGF bond yielding 5.36% AAA credit rating, better than any trading bank, they are all AA-.
  Can be sold on the secondary market at any time, for a capital gain when rates eventually fall.
  
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  November 23, 2022 4:31pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Ma’s old school.
  Got burnt big-time by Rod Petrusovich or somebody years back.
  Thinks banks are best these days. We don’t like to interfere.
  
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  November 23, 2022 5:57pm
Ra Henare

And now for something completely different.

A review of the worlds mobile data costs put NZ at the 32nd most expensive for a 1 gigabyte monthly plan.

Why am I not surprised. Only Greece is more expensive other than very small 3rd world countries.

Not all 3rd world countries are expensive Cambodia 5 USD/$8.21 NZD gives an almost all you can eat data/phone/txt.

Then I read today that Vodaphone has breathlessly announce two phone numbers on one phone with ESim. What planet have they been on for the last 10+ years.

My phones have had dual sim for at least 10 years.
(Ok so I bought them in Asia-not available in NZ)
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November 23, 2022 3:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Two phone numbers = double sim. Get to Hawaii and never mind roaming shit. Just buy a one month AT and T sim. Works in Alaska too.
  Return to NZ and click back to NZ sim. Throw the other sim away.
  
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  November 23, 2022 4:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Arizona.
Democrats don’t cheat, never! A few malfunctioning machines? All been tested the day before, but the fix was in. Kari Lake won. Her opponent Katie Hobs was also in charge of the voting process and would not recuse herself.
https://redrightdaily.com/voting-machine-issues-in-arizona-were-worse-than-we-thought-watch/
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November 23, 2022 3:12pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Two Arizona counties, Cochise and Mohave, will delay certifying their ballot canvasses for the Arizona 2022 election results for a while longer as a result of some potential irregularities.’
  ‘Arizona’s assistant attorney general Jennifer Wright submitted a letter Nov. 19 to Tom Liddy, head of civil litigation for the county, asking for the issues affecting Maricopa County to be looked into.’
  https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/arizona-counties-delay-certification-2022-election-results
  
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  November 23, 2022 4:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe Biden is getting 100,000 followers on Twitter my left tit.
https://thegoptimes.com/another-biden-scandal-exposed-3/?
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November 23, 2022 3:31pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, why would you follow someone who sleeps while appearing awake?
  
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  November 23, 2022 6:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/turkey-denied-presidential-pardon-after-photos-emerge-of-it-attending-jan-6-riot/?seyid=33187
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November 23, 2022 3:42pm
surfing

Life is becoming cheap in NZ.

Three recent incidents of people being killed because of minor disagreements. Perpetrators are pre-armed, expecting violence, and have complete disregard for the life of others!

The police turned up to today’s incident, but wouldn’t have otherwise bothered if death had not resulted!
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November 23, 2022 3:52pm
Ghost

And yet with that freeze in spending national still maintained the roads far better than they currently are now and far better than the Clark govt left them in

The seal on nearly a third of New Zealand’s entire roading network is past its estimated lifespan, Newshub can reveal.

Waka Kotahi NZ Transport Agency says that doesn’t necessarily mean the roads need resealing. Some roads can pass their expected design life and not be degraded to a point where renewal is justified, it says.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/nearly-third-of-new-zealand-s-entire-roading-network-past-its-lifespan.html
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November 23, 2022 4:08pm
- Nickc2
  
  Give something a Maori Name and see what happens eh.
  It’s a sure fire way to non-compliance and rorting of the system eh?
  
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  November 23, 2022 5:17pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  No worries – they have plenty of road cones and Road Works signs. No-one needs tar seal. Just put up 30km/hr signs.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:34pm
Maggie Pie

LET THEM EAT CAKE….

Just been watching BBC live coverage of the State Banquet at Buck House, for South African Prez Cyril Ramaphosa.

To the casual observer, you could be forgiven for thinking that talk about the UK economy being in ‘dire-straits’….is absolute bullshit 😀

https://twitter.com/HRHPWales/status/1595162172262604802
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November 23, 2022 4:58pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  What is known as ” Soft Power”. People will crawl over broken glass to be received like that on a State Visit.
  
  That is why getting rid of Britannia was a bad decision. Yeltsin had to be prised off the vessel.
  
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  November 23, 2022 7:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
So the post is late today, but I will repost tomorrow.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dr-bruce-moon-gives-maori-academic-a-lashing-for-peddling-treaty-of-waitangi-disinformation/

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Bruce-Moon-and-Maria-Bargh-2.pdf
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November 23, 2022 5:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will repost tomorrow
  
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  November 23, 2022 5:48pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Bruce was my first boss as the founding Director of the UC Computer Centre. He was never shy to speak his mind which academics didn’t always enjoy.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:44pm
herb1

FFS Newshub.
The Reserve Bank announce record breaking OCR rises and an upcoming recession and Newshub decide to do a hit piece on Luzon aided and abetted by the arts student pretending to be a finance minister.
Shameful
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November 23, 2022 6:12pm
Maggie Pie

“Wild weather and thunderstorms are expected across the MOTU for the rest of the week”

– Simon Dallow. OneEwes.

My partner wondered how many Maoris would be watching the News ?
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November 23, 2022 6:40pm
- graham
  
  Well, as long as One News is succeeding in their primary purpose, which I imagine is communicating important and news-worthy events CLEARLY and in an EASILY UNDERSTANDABLE manner to their audience, that’s all that matters. And surely, nobody could have a problem understanding the baffling mish-mash of language that we are so often treated to, could they?
  
  I mean, it’s not like we have people in NZ for whom English is a second language, or … oh wait
  
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  November 23, 2022 7:14pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG! You’ll luv this then….
    One of the girls from tennis and her hubby recently bought a penthouse in the Alexander Park Apartments.
    She was telling us there’s a Fresh-Choice Supermarket in the complex – and all the aisle signage is in Te Re0!
    The crazy thing is, no Maoris even live there.
    
    They refuse to use it….preferring instead to drive all the way over to the Remmers NW whenever they need milk or something. LOL!!
    
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    November 23, 2022 7:54pm
    - Paul Marsden
      
      Are these the idiots whose store was on the cusp of folding, sometime last year? Or, maybe they are the new owners..??
      
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      November 23, 2022 7:59pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Libby said they were Indian.
        
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        November 23, 2022 8:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

In May, Grant Robertson didn’t foresee NZ heading into a recession in 2023:

Finance Minister Grant Robertson doesn’t see New Zealand heading for a recession next year,
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/115746/finance-minister-believes-nz-strong-position-weather-current-global-storms

Today Adrian Orr reckons we’ll be in a recession next year
https://www.afr.com/markets/debt-markets/rbnz-forecasts-2023-recession-raises-rates-0-75-points-20221123-p5c0kf

Such a fickle “science”, eh?
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November 23, 2022 7:13pm
Ghost

Late on Tuesday, Leader of the House Chris Hipkins called an urgency motion for Parliament to sit longer and try to pass a whole pile of legislation, or get some key bills on to their first reading. A whopping 24 bills were listed (all listed at bottom of this story). Bets are now taking place in the halls of power about how long MPs will have to stick around for this week.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130556949/cheat-sheet-whats-the-rush-parliament-goes-into-urgency-to-pass-massive-wodge-of-new-laws

The bill under urgency – in the order the Government will run through them

Please note the following contents and order of the urgency motion are subject to confirmation.

Water Services Entities Bill Committee stage
Residential Tenancies (Healthy Homes Standards) Amendment Bill All stages
Land Transport (Clean Vehicles) Amendment Bill (No 2) All stages
Social Security (Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill All stages
COVID-19 Public Health Response (Extension of Act and Reduction of Powers) Amendment Bill All stages
Dairy Industry Restructuring (Fonterra Capital Restructuring) Amendment Bill Committee stage, third reading
Climate Change Response (Extension of Penalty Transition for Forestry Activities with Low Volume Emissions Liabilities) Amendment Bill Committee stage, third reading
Arms (Licence Holders’ Applications for New Licences) Amendment Bill Second reading, committee stage, third reading
Companies (Levies) Amendment Bill Committee stage, third reading
Grocery Industry Competition Bill First reading
Fuel Industry Amendment Bill First reading
Crown Minerals Amendment Bill First reading
Local Government Official Information and Meetings Amendment Bill First reading
Legal Services Amendment Bill First reading
Accident Compensation (Access Reporting and Other Matters) Amendment Bill First reading
Health and Safety at Work (Health and Safety Representatives and Committees) Amendment Bill First reading
Security Information in Proceedings Legislation Bill/ Security Information in Proceedings (Repeals and Amendments) Bill Third readings continued
Māori Purposes Bill Third reading
Remuneration Authority Legislation Bill Third reading
Statutes Amendment Bill Third reading
Organic Products and Production Bill Committee stage, third reading
Natural Hazards Insurance Bill Committee stage, third reading
Digital Identity Services Trust Framework Bill Committee stage, third reading
Civil Aviation Bill Second reading Committee stage, third reading
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November 23, 2022 8:20pm
Sideoiler

Still think Luxons your man?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130564003/christopher-luxon-walks-away-from-taxcuts-plan-amid-soaring-inflation-and-interest-rates
I don’t think so, more labour light thinking.
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November 23, 2022 8:23pm
- Ghost
  
  Of course policy change as the state of the economy changes.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:29pm
- Prince
  
  Seems reasonable to me.
  Labour has smashed our economy with massive borrowing and wasteful, and corrupt, spending.
  Our Financial situation will take years to recover. First priority must be to address the $140B Govt debt.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:54pm
Ghost

When a child is at a funeral or by chance someone has a wedding during a school day they are not truant, they are away with their parents permission to attend a family event, no wagging, and the school typical knows because the good parent informs them.

National leader Christopher Luxon says he isn’t ruling out punishing parents if their kids aren’t in class.

But the Prime Minister has hit back saying that would see parents criminalised for children leaving school for funerals and weddings.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/jacinda-ardern-targets-christopher-luxon-over-possibly-punishing-parents-for-taking-kids-out-of-school-for-funerals-weddings-holidays.html
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November 23, 2022 8:27pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  You could spend a lot of time at tangi in a Maori comunity where everyone is related.
  
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  November 23, 2022 8:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ardern peddling disinformation, yet again.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:00pm
- Prince
  
  Ardern just peddling lies as usual.
  If a child is absent for a funeral the parents notify the school – or is that just a colonial custom now ?
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just as the Small shop and Dairy Owners had predicted..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/police-responding-to-aggravated-robbery-at-auckland-dairy-worker-seriously-injured.html
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November 23, 2022 9:31pm
- Ghost
  
  Sadly I’m surprised it has taken this long.
  
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  November 23, 2022 9:35pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Sadly, now deceased. Stabbed to death.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:26pm
  - Ghost
    
    Bastards
    
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    November 23, 2022 10:29pm
- surfing
  
  Tragic. Already a bad day, this on top.
  
  My son was in the general area at the time of the earlier crime .. one does get a sickening feeling and I texted him just in case.
  
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  November 23, 2022 10:39pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    I live in Sandringham. The community is shocked and saddened by what happened last night. I hope the offender is tracked down quickly.
    All we will hear from the top is platitudes in response to patsy questions at photo-opportunities.
    
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    November 24, 2022 6:45am
Hugh Jarse

Sadly this was inevitable and more sadly this poor bugger won’t be the last. Labour are very quick to point the finger at Australia and the returning 501’s, but not so keen to look at their catch and release policy with special K emptying the prisons out. We will now see the dairy owners arming up in some form and who can blame them, that’s what happens when the government looses control and can’t protect the citizens.
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