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Warren

Here is a couple of Paragraphs from News Talk Chief Political Reporter Aaron Dahmen in the Herald this morning that is short of the “Truth”.
The Front Page: One Year in- can Christopher Luxon beat Jacinda Ardern.
The latest polls have shown Luxon with a preferred Prime Minister’s rating of 21.5% compared to 29.9% for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Dahmer says Luxon will have hi work cut out for him in beating Ardern in the area she excels.
“The lack of experience in the Beehivemight be a draw card for some voters, but you need to be careful in the final run-into next year’s election. That Ardern’s bread and butter she literally won the 2017 race in from a standing start, she wasn’t even in the blocks”.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/the-front-page-one-year-in-can-christoper-luxon-beat-jacinda-ardern/EBHHNBV6JBCLHMOLABCXKS2IKY/
How can a Chief Political Reporter tell this story when their wasn’t even a race for Labour and Jacinda Ardern in 2017 she was elected Prime Minister by NZ First and Winston Peter’s and Bill English wiped the floor with Jacinda Ardern in the debates leading up to th e 2017 Election.
But will agree with one thing about our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern if you win votes with lies Jacinda would be the Champion as their has never been a Prime Minister that has told so many in I believe in New Zealander’s Political History.
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November 21, 2022 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  “Dahmer says Luxon will have hi work cut out for him in beating Ardern in the area she excels.” ie being a bull artist.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:46am
- RoboRob
  
  Wasn’t Helen Clarke on around 3% preferred PM a year before she was elected?
  
  A ‘chief political reporter’ that doesn’t understand that the current PM almost always thrashes the other candidates in the preferred PM ratings? Or spin.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    Robo: I think at one point Clark (no ‘e’ in Clark) got down to something over 2%…she fought off an attempted coup (Cullen and Ors. if memory serves) and later won…someone else will remember the exact dates.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:08am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Yes DG, I supplied the BBQ equipment to Sir Cullen.
      
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      November 21, 2022 11:08am
  - Paulus
    
    But I am not asked to vote for the Prime Minister to run New Zealand.
    I am asked to vote for my local MP, and which Party I favour under the MMP system.
    And Ardern is not my local MP.
    So sounds like Dahmer – whoever he is has been bought off too !
    Some of the media remain just plain stupid.
    
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    November 21, 2022 10:28am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    A Chief Political Reporter who doesn’t understand that nobody votes for Prime Minister in this country is possibly more of a worry. Yes, we know that the Leader makes a massive difference, but they are elected by their caucus – in the case of normal parties, at least; Labour’s is anointed by the unions and members mostly.
    
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    November 21, 2022 11:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, what did she win in 2017 apart from gaining one in three votes?
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:35am
- KKKKatee
  
  Ardern is the Mistress of Bullshiticus indeed.
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:01am
Yvette

Since Winston Peters has said –“We are not going to go with the Labour Party, this present Labour Party crowd, because they can’t be trusted. You don’t get a second time to lie to me, or my party and they did” [1] does being lied to by Jacinda Ardern and her colleagues in coalition with him, seem as demeaning to his reputation as the leaking of his “tax details”, which Winston described, at the time, as being – “… dirty, it’s rotten, it’s underhand, it’s just unethical, it’s illegal. Worse than that it’s in collusion with some media outlets as well” [2]

It could seem in fact that the superannuation mistake was actually of small importence – Winston immediately flew Wellington to Auckland and fixed it within 24 hours. Done and dusted, and should have stayed that way.

The Labour lie, however, is Ardern, Mahuta, Jackson and Labour’s doing – it is theirs to fix, but I doubt that will happen.
So, in next year’s Election campaign, will Winston seek redress, make a issue of it, or if he doesn’t will potential voters question him continually to reassure them of his position?

Will Winston, with his tenacity as displayed in his Wine Box pursuit of Truth, expose Pipa Mahuta chairing the Maori Advisory Council “total governance” position, presiding over Water Regulator Taumata Arowai, and their presiding in turn over the Four Regional Entities of “3 Waters” where the current issue of “co-governance” will occur,
Will Winston go for the top, the jugular of this issue – Pipa Mahiuta’s position of “total governance” – which everyone else is ignoring?

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/nz-first-leader-winston-peters-rules-out-coalition-with-labour.html
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96253961/winston-peters-says-steven-joyce-and-bill-english-knew-about-his-pension-overpayment
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November 21, 2022 8:04am
- slightlyrighty
  
  In promoting Co-Governance, with 3 waters and other similar stealth measures, Labour have given Winston a club with which to beat the current government with.
  
  Winston is the most cunning populist politician we have, and will not miss this opportunity to raise his profile.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:29am
- RoboRob
  
  Winston will talk about it in an attempt to lure back right wing voters he burnt 6yrs ago. He will do nothing more than that.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:56am
  - David Garrett
    
    Robo: As always, Winston will do what is good for Winston. If Labour offers him enough baubles he’ll do a 180 and embrace them with alacrity.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:12am
    - JohnRidd
      
      I am reminded of Aesop’s fable of the frog and the scorpion.
      
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      November 21, 2022 1:10pm
  - Cassandra
    
    And voters should not be fooled – he remains the same W Peters. He can certainly recognise a liar when he sees one.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:14am
    - RoboRob
      
      On the Winston thread the other day there were quite a few posters here that were talking about voting Winston. One would assume that the people on this site were more politically active than the majority of the population so Winstons chances seem pretty good.
      
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      November 21, 2022 9:39am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Like when he looks in the full-length mirror, you mean?
      
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      November 21, 2022 9:49am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand that the W is acutally Wynston, not like our great wartime Leader.
      Rhymes with whyne too !
      
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      November 21, 2022 10:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t trust the bastard, yesterday he still said he can’t go with Nats in this form, so it’s on the cross benches leaving an open run for Labour
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:38am
  - rockape
    
    He seems to forget that in 2017 National had 10 more seats than Labour!!
    
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    November 21, 2022 10:41am
  - Ruawai
    
    He will go with Labour if they drop Mahuta. Don’t trust him!
    
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    November 21, 2022 11:07am
Scott

I see in the UK they are buying wood burning stoves to help heat their homes and do some cooking. Wood burning stoves are old technology that people are having to fall back on as green energy is a failure.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11449445/Demand-wood-burning-stoves-surges-energy-bills-amid-cost-living-crisis.html

According to the conservative Powerline blog, green energy doesn’t produce enough power and only does it intermittently.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/
They say you could cover the whole state of California with wind turbines and it would only meet half of the energy needs of the United States. Our government is going to spend millions of dollars on wind turbines.

Common sense tells us green energy doesn’t work. At 7.30am here in Masterton, as I write this, the wind is not blowing, the air is totally still and it’s a cloudy morning, the sun is not shining. So there will be no wind or solar power as people get up, have their showers, boil their jugs and cook their breakfast. The electric car will not have charged up last night.

Green energy is a failure. Do we literally want to return to the dark ages?
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November 21, 2022 8:06am
- dubya
  
  Installed a woodburner (old concept, but new tech – mine is a low emissions one) earlier this year, because dissatisfied with the performance of my two year old, 7.2kW heat pump. Used about 3.5 cubes of wood (a mix of dry pine and gum) and used it every night from May to late September. Heats the whole house, which is single glazed, 1970s build, insulation floor and ceiling only, beautifully. I think they are having a resurgence here, too. Was a bit of a waiting list for an install.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:41am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Likewise dubya. I installed mine about 5 years ago, and hardly use the heat pump now. But hanging onto it because – y’know – ‘climate change’ is gonna make it so hot by 2030 that I’ll have to have it on reverse cycle to cool us down. //
    Actually, I like the heat up to about 35 deg.C from my years in Australia being a roofing contractor then a builder. Often worked in 42 – 47 C. when working out in central NSW – that was a bit bloody hot.
    
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    November 21, 2022 10:38am
- alloytoo
  
  The Green crowd will tell you that the solution is storage, that sufficient storage will bridge the time gap between when unreliables* generate dispatchable energy and when people actually use it.
  
  This works in theory if you have reliable generation that can meet gross demand but falls short on peak demand.
  
  In that scenario off peak surplus can create a hydro battery for dispatch at peak time.
  
  Problem is, charging the battery (hydro or otherwise) requires:
  
  a) Energy being reliably available off peak.
  b) Gross demand + storage losses being met by unreliables*.
  
  Most “storage” advocates seem to think the storage will arrive full and magically replenish.
  
  *Unreliables refers to wind and solar generation to distinguish between reliable renewables like Hydro and Geothermal.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:45am
- Colville
  
  Wood stoves are Green Tech.
  Carbon neutral, you burn wood which a renewable resource.
  
  I am currently planning a new home..architect cant stand it that I want a log fire as well as ducted AC.. but I will never be cold.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Common sense tells us green energy doesn’t work.’
  
  Doesn’t matter to the politicians .
  Climate is consistently low in opinion polls , esp now economies are going down the shitter ( due to pollies spending up big on GFC and Wuflu)
  but pollies still doing the green thing .
  
  Doesn’t make any sense at all.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:50am
- peterwn
  
  It is OK if you can store the energy to ‘make hay while the sun shines’. The existing network of hydro stations already provides this buffer storage to support wind and solar power. Admittedly this capability is not infinite but it is sufficient for the near future. Those who develop their own renewable energy sources generally need a grid connection or a fuel driven generator as backup.
  This is why the Lake Onslow project is being promoted – to provide buffering for wind and solar energy and to buffer hydro power for dry years. However the proposal does not seem cost effective compared with other storage options.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:57am
- RoboRob
  
  In NZ as at 8am this morning (in warm weather)
  
  Energy production
  Coal 189 MW
  Gas 51 MW
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  240
  
  Wind 267 MW
  
  One would assume that they wouldn’t be running coal or gas if Wind could produce more. I check this site quite regulary (in the last month since I found it) and have never seen Wind 0ver 300 (supposedly max is just over 1000).
  
  https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
  
  If Wind is to be NZs saviour in the future becuase we dont allow more hydro, then we are well screwed.
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:01am
  - MCōs
    
    Those numbers are peanuts compared with hydro.
    Furthermore
    Nuclear is on the horizon.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:33am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yes peanuts compared to Hydro. But our electricity usage is shooting up and we cant / wont build more hydro. All new power generation is Wind.
      
      My point is that we cant hope to provide the power we need from Wind at the current rate. Thats why we have been burning more coal than ever under Labour.
      
      Re Nuclear, yes its a great option. But I struggle to see it get acceptance here. Never udner the Greens and labour. Under National Act maybe but it might be a political poison pill. Most New Zealanders views on Nuclear were formed in the 80s and people just dont follow it / udnerstand it.
      
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      November 21, 2022 9:45am
      - oldfella
        
        Climate Change Motivates a Reevaluation of Nuclear Energy
        Ironically, the people who profess to care most about climate change have been those who most vociferously reject the technology that can solve it. But this is changing
        https://www.discoursemagazine.com/politics/2022/11/17/climate-change-motivates-a-reevaluation-of-nuclear-energy/
        
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        November 21, 2022 11:10am
      - JohnRidd
        
        We do not have sufficient Hydro power to back up the wind and solar capacity we already have.
        
        That is why we are still burning coal.
        
        For every megawatt of wind or solar that they add to the grid a megawatt of back up generation also needs to be built.
        
        Grid scale batteries are prohibitively expensive. Pumped hydro is very expensive, inefficient and there are very few places where it can work.
        
        Without sufficient back up power, wind and solar means blackouts are coming.
        
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        November 21, 2022 2:16pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      LOL Nuclear as an option.
      In New Zimbabwe. Double LOL.
      Likely to require Iwi consent. Triple LOL.
      
      Where are you going to put it in a land of Volcanos and earthquakes?
      
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      November 21, 2022 11:14am
      - Clownworld
        
        Like Japan and US?
        
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        November 22, 2022 3:16am
  - RoboRob
    
    Wow, just checked agian and Wind is 330MW. I stand corrected !
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:48am
    - JohnRidd
      
      But since wind and rain go together, we also have plenty of water in the dams.
      
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      November 21, 2022 3:01pm
  - Simon Arnold
    
    Don’t forget the potential to double good base load geothermal.
    
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    November 21, 2022 6:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  @Scott. Soon we will just have to go “NUCLEAR” There’s that word again you crazy lefties – NUCLEAR! Oh look, they are rolling around on the floor already.
  Just do it and let the crazies do their protesting shit. Chernobyl, Long Island, Fukushima etc are old school. Nuclear today is safe.
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:57am
103PapPap

And so it begins. The ultimate socialism dream. The transfer of wealth from rich nations to poor nations.
“The ‘Global Warming’ strategy worked” they will be singing at the United Nations.
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November 21, 2022 8:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The transfer of wealth from rich nations to poor nations.
  
  I’ll believe it when I see it…
  
  Someone will be clipping the transfers long before $$$$ reach the poor folk.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Pakistan still the darling of this scam.
    
    The broke western tax payer will be reamed out to send money to nuclear armed pakistan with its huge military and deep state support of the Taliban etc , all supported by the lying media saying 1/3 of the country was under water ( not true) due to you eating meat or having a holiday abroad .
    
    Meanwhile their explosive population growth , deforestation , urban expansion into marginal areas will now be subsidised by extra taxes in the west .
    
    Literally unbelievable what our polticians sign us up for.
    
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    November 21, 2022 8:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    This is how it goes:
    
    🙂
    
    12 October 2018
    
    “Papua New Guinea Maserati fleet for Apec raises questions”
    
    “Papua New Guinea’s government is under scrutiny for importing 40 luxury Maserati cars from Italy for the upcoming Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (Apec) summit.
    
    The Quattroporte sedans, which cost more than $100,000 each (£75,000), will be used by foreign leaders.”
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-45832657
    
    Most if these vehicles will now be abandoned. The tribal leaders would have driven them until they stopped working. I very much doubt that the average Port Moresby mechanic could service a Maserati.
    
    It will be the same with these climate change “reparations” . PNG and the Solomons will have their hands out. The poor in those countries (about 98 percent of the population) will see nothing.
    
    Yet New Zealand is leading the charge on reparations. Just like we are leading the charge on taxing farm emissions.
    
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    November 21, 2022 8:57am
    - Ra Henare
      
      This is interesting for those looking for facts about climate change.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz45fETw078
      
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      November 21, 2022 4:00pm
  - mawm
    
    Maggy – in reality it is transferring wealth from the poor in 1st world countries to the wealthy in 3rd world countries.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      Socialists exploiting the poor workers, as usual.
      
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      November 21, 2022 9:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The wealth in 3rd world countries only gets as far as the elite. New cars, new mansions, and the people get nothing. Zimbabwe comes to mind. Oh wait, New Zealand comes to mind as well. The elite are just fine thanks.
      
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      November 21, 2022 12:01pm
      - kowtow
        
        By that definition the exact same thing happens here .
        
        Billions have been pumped into Maori reparations , settlemnets , job creation , etc etc
        
        And yet ……..Rotorua and emergency “housing”.
        
        It’s all about buying off the elites and nothing to do with the little people .
        
        That’s Willie Jackson’s and Mahuta’s and Ardern and Co’s “new ” democracy .
        
        But the Nat’s are donkey deep in it too.
        
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        November 21, 2022 1:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        kowtow. There will be a Coup unless it is stopped. There is a lot going on that we don’t know. See this:
        https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/
        
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        November 21, 2022 1:49pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        @Steve nah, no coup. younger frustrated people will vote with their feet, retirees will bitch but hunker down and gradually die off, The regressive parasite voting block (AKA the Left) will grow in strength as their standard of living and wages fall in comparison to other western countries, and following in the path of other failed states that have travelled this path like Argentina, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, South Africa NZ will become 3rd world at an ever accelerating rate.
        
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        November 21, 2022 2:02pm
- DeepBlue
  
  The 3rd world countries have just managed to shift aid from the old bucket to this new one. The socialists have been conned.
  
  If one believes that COP is about stopping over heating then it is a disaster to deal on loss and damage but not reduce emissions.
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:36am
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets….

Qatar goalkeeper looking at his jail sentence after full time.

https://twitter.com/LaLiga/status/1396167924520456196
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November 21, 2022 8:07am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Unless he changed shirts he is not a goalkeeper.
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:17am
- Ghost
  
  Wrong country and over a year ago. You need glasses
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:22am
Maggy Wassilieff

There are 400 times more Kiwis residing in emergency housing for a year or more than there were three years ago, ‘emergency’ housing has become the status quo under Labour,”

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00168/emergency-housing-has-become-the-norm-under-labour.htm
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November 21, 2022 8:09am
- artemisia
  
  MSD does pretty good reporting, including on emergency housing. See the below link for October 2022, along with some trends over time.
  
  Some stats of interest –
  
  – biggest number of households – Waikato region. There is a note in small print about some in Rotorua not included.
  – almost all of the primary applicants are working age (not necessarily working)
  – more than half have no children, mostly single people
  – recording ethnicity of main applicant, check for yourself.
  
  Reasons not reported except at a very high level, fair enough I guess. But have to wonder why for example there are so many working age singles.
  
  http://www.msd.govt.nz/documents/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/housing/monthly-housing-update/2022/monthly-housing-update-october-2022.pdf
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:38am
  - Opie
    
    “recording ethnicity of main applicant, check for yourself.”
    
    It’s maoris, of course.
    
    And not by a small amount either.
    
    16% of the population results in 52% of the emergency housing applications. That’s 14,447 out of 27,783 applicants. As a side note, remember when this government took over this number totalled less then 5000! What a wonderful job they have done.
    
    But apparently the way to fix this is for white people to fart out a few words in Maori when they talk, particularly those that are public facing and definitely force this on kids instead of teaching them to read or do maths.
    
    Nope, the way to fix this is to give them more money to make bad decisions with and instead of fixing this at the source (with quality educational outcomes like we used to have) the next step will be compulsory employment of said 16% in favour of horrible whitey (or asians) regardless of skills and experience or lack of ability to read and write and do maths.
    
    Oh you may need to pay overs for the privilege as well because why should someone who actually went to school and worked hard and has abilities in the role get paid more than a diversity hire…
    
    Don’t laugh, I know of examples where there is already pressure to hire based purely on skin colour. I thought we had moved past that but I guess not.
    
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    November 21, 2022 11:28am
    - Yabster
      
      diversity hire is already happening in most Govet departmants.
      
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      November 21, 2022 1:01pm
Matt Long

Moving on from last week’s story about Fonterra’s plans to monitor and regulate its supplier’s Greenhouse Gas emissions, what do the rest of the world’s farmers think of NZ ideas. From the Agriculture section of the Cop conference.
“I have only been here for the second week – have seen sone of NZ delegation. Big questions have been asked of NZ ag from world ag as to why they want to reduce production from such efficient farmers? No one can believe it when world food production is down 10% #FoodSecurity”
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November 21, 2022 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No Jacinda says:
  
  “they’ll benefit from being world-leading”
  
  She is never wrong.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/climate-change-farmers-to-pay-for-emissions-from-2025-under-proposed-scheme-jacinda-ardern-says-they-ll-benefit-from-being-world-leading.html
  
  Oh and she is asking other countries to do the same. Follow New Zealand’s lead.
  
  I can imagine the Chinese delegation at COP playing drinking games at night to spot the funniest Jacinda quote.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/04/jacinda-ardern-calls-on-other-countries-to-follow-new-zealand-s-lead-at-us-climate-change-summit.html
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    She is a laughingstock on the World Stage.
    Don’t forget who put her there!
    What an embarrassment for NZ.
    
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    November 21, 2022 8:25am
  - Spam
    
    If it were true, then New Zealand farmers would already be getting a premium. They’re not, and many countries have tariffs to keep NZ products out.
    
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    November 21, 2022 8:53am
  - Swifty
    
    What if you’re wrong Jacinda?
    
    What then?
    
    (BTW, if these measures suddenly make NZ farmer’s products more attractive don’t we think our farmers would be doing this voluntarily?)
    
    Oh I give up, this is just another in a long, long list of examples that proves NZ businesses are a mere plaything of Labour governments, used by them to achieve their own political interests.
    
    Labour are the new overlords and we must be forced to dance to their tune.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We have a world leading idiot running this country, nothing good has happened
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:41am
    - Paulus
      
      But Lydia Ko won today – great.
      But don’t mention any Rugby over the weekend.
      
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      November 21, 2022 10:35am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        We were up 25-6 before subs, I am happy with rugby
        
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        November 21, 2022 10:50am
      - Flossie
        
        Or last nights T20 v India!
        
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        November 21, 2022 11:03am
- Matt Long
  
  Being Twitter a self entitled privaleged lowlife had to reply; “Big questions? Is not that hard to answer…maybe because NZ is not here to feed the world, never was, and at our environmental and human welfare expense. Good god! Has there been nothing learnt”
  Translation, “I’m rich , have plenty do eat and don’t see that changing. Those (Insert racist derogatory term) can just ****ing starve, why do they keep breeding anyway?”
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    lol ‘ at our environmental and human welfare expense’. Does this guy think that each countries carbon just float above that country.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:05am
Matt Long

So the government has thrown out much of its proposed hate speech regulation excepting they plan to push ahead with rules regarding religion.
My thoughts are these regulations are to prevent “racists” from saying marrying your 12 year old niece is a bad thing, or blowing people up in the name of peace, or murdering someone for leaving your cult shouldn’t be allowed.
However what might the proposed rules mean for the attacks the LBQUERTY lobby is currently running in the Ferald against Bethlehem college for being faithful to the precepts of their religion? Will protections under the act necessarily exclude Christian and Jewish organisations?
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November 21, 2022 8:10am
- G152
  
  Its only hate speech if Cindy and drag alongs say it is as she claimed they were the sole arbitors of truth.
  Shades of 1984
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:16am
- iMP
  
  That’s the great levelling blow back of this silly legislation. Church groups will be able to Sue for breaches of the Act by LGBTQUIX groups who have mocked, derided and attacked religious groups for decades. Pop corn.
  
  We could call it the “Hoisted By Own Petard Act.”
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Why the hell are they surprised that a conservative Christian school is not on board telling the kids it is OK to change gender?
  
  Here is a suggestion to these journalists. There are half a dozen Islamic schools in New Zealand. Phone them up and ask them if they teach the kids about it is OK to be trans. Or is that differfent?
  
  Example:
  
  IQRA SCHOOL
  New Lynn
  Auckland
  
  Islamic Studies is taught 4 times a week. We teach a balanced curriculum that covers Aqida, Hadith, Seerah, Ibadat, Akhlaq, and the stories of the Prophets peace be upon them. Islamic studies is also the core of all other subjects at school.”
  
  https://www.iqra.school.nz/
  
  If “Islamic studies is also the core of all other subjects at school”, there is no way that this school is all cool with telling the kids about gays, gender diversity and changing gender. Is thwe Herald going to monster them? Or are they “different”?
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Islamic Studies Curriculum seems almost human when compared to our Govt run Public Schools where the emphasis is on Maori Greatness and associated Language, Science, Entitlements, Land and Resources Ownership, Communism and Cindy’s Global Govt Aspirations, and of course NZ’s pre-occupation with the religion of Climate Chance.
    PS: Note the absence or scant teachings relating to Reading, Writing and Arithmetic from NZ Govt controlled Schools.
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:20am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Muslims are explicitly allowed to lie to spread or bolster the faith (Taqiyya), so staff and students at Islamic schools are all good to lie their arses off about what they teach or learn – I’d guess it is extremely unlikely to be LGBQWERTYUIOP friendly
    
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    November 21, 2022 11:54am
- Inandout
  
  Matt, the NHS has found cousin marrying amongst Muslims has seen their offspring suffering from 2.5 times more physical problems than non Muslims. If the new law takes effect I predict this fact cannot be mentioned.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Known for many generations – UK Royalty many generations ago, but change by mixed families in international marriages.
    Consanguinity is it called.
    Peoples descended from the same ancestor.
    Sadly Muslims and some others world wide have been know to practice it for many generations and still so in the UK and elsewhere.
    A Health Service serious problem everwhere it is known.
    
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    November 21, 2022 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  This would lead to “The Life of Brian” being banned here .
  
  Is that what we want ?
  
  But of course that wouldn’t happen . Christains are fair game.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:58am
  - JJ56
    
    Isn’t it already?
    
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    November 21, 2022 6:17pm
Matt Long

https://bigthink.com/health/red-meat-cancer-not-health-risk/
Oops, looks like they lied to us about health issues from red meat; is it possible, I wonder they might be lying about anything else?
#health experts, #climate experts, #who is funding this?
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November 21, 2022 8:14am
- Matt Long
  
  https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/11/20/ftx-and-sbf-the-covid-connection/
  Decidedly dodgy people are funding it.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:16am
TripeWryter

I heard a TVNZ newsreader last evening mention ‘our rapidly heating planet’.
‘Que?’, I thought?
Does anyone here know when and where this planet is ‘rapidly heating’?
I didn’t say ‘1 News’ because TVNZ’s ‘news’ is now a Pravdaesque parody of what a news organisation should be.
I watched Sunday with even more scepticism.
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November 21, 2022 8:14am
- Matt Long
  
  What might Twitter employees have to say to media people who try to tip the boat too far to the left?
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bwhahahahahahaha, AOC on twitter thinking all the huge amount of staff for their service over these terrible times, Musk comes back and says you’re welcome. Bwhahahahahshahahahahaha
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:45am
- Jimbob
  
  Why do you bother? It’s all the same lies regurgitated over and over again. Time will silence them when the continuing colder climate rolls in under the climate cycles that goes from heating to cooling. I suggest people make sure they have access to a log burner.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:40am
  - graham
    
    I always feel a warm glow when using the local rag – Rodney Times, published by Stuff – to light my log fire …
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:24am
    - Local Miller
      
      Was the “warm glow” pun intended?
      
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      November 21, 2022 10:35am
      - graham
        
        Yes indeed 🙂
        
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        November 21, 2022 11:03am
- KKKKatee
  
  Well, it’s 10.07 am and 13c at my place today.
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  Heres a ‘real’ Journalist talking to a Climate Activist
  Enjoy Ms Julia Hartley-Brewer
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EVrGnm0_qE
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:00am
  - Bridgenag
    
    YES Wish we had them here.
    
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    November 21, 2022 11:47am
    - kowtow
      
      Jessica , then Tova.
      
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      November 21, 2022 1:28pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Follow the facts not the Models or hypothises.
  
  This guy is the temperature facts guru
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULpGDnuz308
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Siouxsie Wiles speculates on 2nd Covid boosters

Young people may be less likely to be hospitalised or die, but what about developing long Covid? Might second boosters reduce the risk of that?

There is also growing evidence of people being at increased risk of things like strokes and heart attacks in the weeks and months after catching Covid. Might boosters reduce the risk?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/21-11-2022/siouxsie-wiles-is-new-zealand-an-outlier-on-second-boosters
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November 21, 2022 8:24am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The take up of second boosters would be tiny.
  
  Because people have stopped listening. Because we were lied to. The worst consequence of all the lying is that many people who once trusted “health experts” no longer do so. I am one of them.
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:01am
  - Miritu
    
    “The worst consequence of all the lying …”
    Surely it has to be a huge positive that many people no longer trust “health experts”
    
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    November 21, 2022 11:36am
- rouppe
  
  She might be trying to rewrite history.
  
  How many people had covid shots just before their strokes? If you can redirect that narrative from “had a shot within 12 weeks of a stroke” to “had covid 8 weeks before a stroke” then you can present yourself as relevant
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:41am
- Local Miller
  
  With the number of people who believed the lie and had the shot and at least one booster, and now getting Covid, I’m surprised anyone would believe anything being put out by this bunch.
  
  My boss (CEO) had all his shots so he could travel, as did his wife (accounts). They are both sitting at home with Covid and had to miss out on our company Christmas do. He let us know he was sick, staring his e-mail with “FFS”. Neither of them is at all impressed and I can’t see them getting boosters ever!
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:39am
Andrew Worth

In the media every day in every interview about the numerous issues in New Zealand.

“Need more resources from government”
“Need the government to play a bigger role”
“Need the government to intervene/take action ”
That’s the answers the “journalists” are always fishing for.
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November 21, 2022 8:27am
Matt Long

In an interesting twist from the US midterms, some are saying Mitch McConnell who apparently holds a lot of the purse strings(?) refused funding to Trump endorsed candidates.
Would the Establishment throw an election to get the Republican party they want?
In the total vote the swing against the Dems is what would be expected, but it didn’t translate to seats in the house.
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November 21, 2022 8:35am
- RoboRob
  
  Had heard the same story. Apparently no love lost between Mitch and the more hardline ‘conservatives’. Many of the people he chose not to fund however were Trump appointees (not necessarily hardline conservatives). His logic was, Trump has a pile of money he can support these people. Trump spent almost nothing and kept the money for himself.
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:09am
  - RoboRob
    
    Question to the downvoter. Why? Is it becuase I used the T word? Is it becuase I said he spent hardly any of his war chest on other candidates (thats public record).?
    
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    November 21, 2022 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mitch McConnell is a RINO. He restricted funds to Republican Candidates to give the Democrats a better chance of becoming Senators/Governors. He also gave a lot of funding to Lisa Murkowski (RINO) to win against Trump endorsed Kelly Tshibaka in Alaska.
  It is way past time he was gone.
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This from 2015 explains it. RINOs are part of the ‘Establishment’
  Trump 2024, he is coming back.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:54pm
I remember when

Jeweller Michael Hill is in the process of rolling out DNA spray machines, commonly used by banks, that spray a substance that allows police to trace suspects back to a crime, up to six weeks later.
The company has had to invest millions of dollars in strengthening security at its 48 stores.

I wonder who will be paying these costs eventually.
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November 21, 2022 8:38am
- RoboRob
  
  The customer always pays. Good luck getting the police to chase it up regardless. I guess it might be a deterrant.
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:11am
- Bridgenag
  
  Strange we haven’t had people starting neighbourhood patrols…………. Maybe the gangs already doing that…..silly me
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:51am
  - Opie
    
    I saw some Maori wardens out patrolling on Saturday evening. One of them appeared to be drinking a beer while standing over some intimidatorily. Managed to find the time to shoot me a look of disgust and for me to dare say anything.
    
    Good times.
    
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    November 21, 2022 2:13pm
- Matt Long
  
  Who will pay the cost? People who believe soft metal and transparent stones equal more reliable sex.
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:24am
  - NothingLeft
    
    I’d bet majority of jewelery buyers are women
    
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    November 21, 2022 6:33pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  MHJ could have done this years ago but only chose to recently due to increased burglaries/raids on their stores in daylight. You could then say MHJ has gotten away with their security on the cheap for years. they will of course pass these costs onto the customer as now I would say their insurance premiums have skyrocketed. I would say the increased security by MHJ is as a result of increased insurance first and foremost and secondly safety of staff and lastly they were looking like an easy target constantly by these gangs.
  
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  November 21, 2022 2:17pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

to save time, the outcome achievement at COP 27 has been f**k all. more hot air, talk and meaningless twaddle. nothing agreed that will make any difference in the next 100 years. if you would like the fairytale version read https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130528654/cop27-rich-countries-agree-to-fund-for-climate-cleanup-costs
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November 21, 2022 8:44am
- Paulus
  
  But think of who will benefit at the COP 28 wherever it will be – there were reported to be 400 Exec Jets at this one and some 35,000 attendees and hangers on.
  How many are we paying for, as well as our cheerleader James 1st Class, of course, plus accommodations.
  And how much are we going to pay for this privilege ?
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:47am
kowtow

Amazing how much there is in the msm over Trump , twatter and Musk .

But so little on Creepy Joe’s hypocrisy and his new found buddy , the Saudi Prince .
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November 21, 2022 9:01am
- Maggie Pie
  
  The Donald now has over 80 million followers on Twitter….
  and he hasn’t even posted a tweet yet!!
  
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  November 21, 2022 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All he has to do is tweet “Trump 2024” and the crowd will go mad.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:09pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Reinstated followers along with the 59,000 tweets
    apparently
    
    Less all the 8 mill? bot accounts.
    
    https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/america/article/2001461177/trump-rakes-in-72m-twitter-followers-in-hours-closing-in-on-88m-mark-before-ban
    
    But who effing cares!!!!!
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:35pm
I remember when

Aren’t the global climate summit COP’s a real morale booster.
They help us to appreciate the difference between the power of our the local climate change ‘experts’, and their power when they try to get global consensus.
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November 21, 2022 9:15am
Yvette

The PM said she ‘will be listening’ to submissions on the ‘Three Waters’ reforms as it goes through the select committee.– Twittered by Winston Peters

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
… In July last year, Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson announced plans to consult with Māori on He Puapua before engaging with the wider public. The engagement with iwi and Māori organisations is now complete.
Jackson, in a statement to Newshub, said Cabinet was yet to meet to discuss the next steps on the development of the draft Declaration plan for UNDRIP.
“I will have more to say once that has occurred,” Jackson said. “I will then report back to Cabinet mid-year with the draft Declaration Plan for approval before embarking on a wider (full) public consultation process on the draft Declaration Plan.”

So, Jackson, where is the fucking “draft Declaration Plan”? or is that being with-held from Winston and indeed the rest of Us as well – “before embarking on a wider (full) public consultation process” – so where the fuck is that either?

Or will Ardern claim ” listening’ to submissions on the ‘Three Waters’ reforms” was the “public consultation on Māori co-governance” – the discussion which she confirmed “will happen in 2022”.
Will Ardern say “You have just had it”?
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November 21, 2022 9:41am
- Paulus
  
  Arder will not listen to anybody but Mahuta
  – they are both hyppocrites.
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “will happen in 2022”
  You know she tells lies right?
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:12pm
Maggie Pie

And why does the Revenue-Minister hate wealthy people?

Asking for a friend.
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November 21, 2022 9:49am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Because the only way to get wealthy is to steal from the poor /sarc.
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not sarc. Nancy Pelosi is worth US$120M. On her salary?
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:14pm
Yvette

Also “co-governance”
Jackson, in a statement to Newshub, said Cabinet was yet to meet to discuss the next steps on the development of the draft Declaration plan for UNDRIP.
“I will have more to say once that has occurred,” Jackson said. “I will then report back to Cabinet mid-year with the draft Declaration Plan for approval before embarking on a wider (full) public consultation process on the draft Declaration Plan.”

So, after consulting targeted Maori Elite for about six months, will Willie Jackson actually take longer than six months to “water down” the Māori Elite response, so colleagues in Cabinet will support it?

Can Winston tell Us why Luxon or Goldsmith have not asked Parliamentary Questions about Willie’s obvious struggle with the selected Maori response from 72 hui?
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November 21, 2022 9:52am
MCōs

Lydia Ko wins everything!
Golfers are so buttoned down are they go round the course for four days on end, but this was the biggie and she was very emotional at the end.

After the league, the rugby and the cricket it’s good to get a win!
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November 21, 2022 9:53am
Ghost

Now they are doing home invasions for alcohol.

A Gisborne couple are recovering from a violent attack in their home carried out by four men in search of alcohol.

About 9.30pm on Saturday, a couple in their 60s were at their Park View Place address in Riverdale, when a dark-coloured large car or people mover reversed into their driveway.

Four men, described in a police statement as between the age of 18 and 20, got out of the vehicle and confronted the man at his front door, demanding he give them alcohol.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300744566/couple-violently-assaulted-in-house-by-group-searching-for-alcohol
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November 21, 2022 10:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  People are going to have some protection. Can’t have a gun but there are many other things to be used. I have a curtain rail above my front door with no curtain. It is there for a reason. 30 inches long, and 20mm round stainless steel.
  Maybe something like this could be of help?
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEs4olyDGoQ
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:29pm
Brian McDonald

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Even the wilfully blind would admit Luxon is a flip-flop artist and last week was no exception. He must have taken many deep breaths to restrain himself from saying that headmasters would also go to “boot camps.”
That Nats have too many people jabbering about nothing or repeating the same stuff. At least Labour appears to realise there is public fatigue with itself, petty politics generally, and some of its more frequent public speakers. I would say they may have mildly panicked and then decided to reset, the product of which we are likely to continue to see deep into the new year. They have been a disciplined caucus for some years while National has been anything but with cracks now causing some MPs to appear to backtrack or remain silent on some issues.
I think Jacinda showed her skills well at Apec compared to Luxon’s domestic performance and the ever-sly Peters sensing the chance to fire one across her bows to see which doors might be a little ajar for his potential advantage.
Whereas 5 years ago Labour was inexperienced, now they are not and it may be true that the Nats convinced themselves that a Key protege would do the job. I don’t think Luxon has it. He may end up looking like an entitled child among his peers in kindergarten pointing fingers over stinky smells.
It’s going to be an interesting year during which some will listen to static for imagined meanings and others will be more measured as the times require.
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November 21, 2022 10:20am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes that all makes sense 🤡
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:40am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t know Luxon was at APEC
  – next year surely not this one.
  
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  November 21, 2022 10:51am
- BeaB
  
  That’s easy for you then. Just vote Labour. Again.
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,

The thugs aren’t targeting their own neighbourhood.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/gisborne-man-attacked-in-own-home-by-group-demanding-alcohol.html
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November 21, 2022 10:37am
I remember when

“Toxic Smog engulfs New Delhi”:
It happens every winter, cold air arrives, trapping the dust and other pollutants emitted by its 20 million residents.
The result a filthy, choking haze that engulfs the city.
The air quality in the city reached 445 two weeks ago, ten times the WHO 2021 air quality guidelines that advises a 24-hour mean of 45.
The WHO recognises it as the world’s largest environmental health threat.
A Swiss air quality company ranked New Delhi as the most polluted capital in 2021.
India’s government called for rich countries to deliver on their pledge of providing US $100 billion in annual climate finance to developing countries –
and to increase the amount at the UN climate conference.

Sounds fair! Obviously not their fault.
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November 21, 2022 10:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
If National and Luxon continue on the path being Labour Lite, Act will be getting two ticks from me.

If You Want Evidence Luxon And National Are For Co-Governance, Here It Is.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/if-you-want-evidence-luxon-and-national-are-for-co-governance-here-it-is/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Luxon-National-and-Their-Plans-For-Co-governance-3.pdf
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November 21, 2022 11:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bailout Package:
It is a slow day in a little Greek Village. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village, stops at the local hotel and lays a ¤100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the ¤100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the ¤100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the ¤100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers’ Co-op takes the ¤100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna. The tavern owner slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him “services” on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the ¤100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the ¤100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the ¤100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town. No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works
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November 21, 2022 11:28am
- Opie
  
  Brilliant, except instead of adding just 100, our cogovernment paid out everyone at the same time with printed money and when they all tried to spend it at once they all put their prices up by 50%. I mean 7%. Apparently.
  
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  November 21, 2022 2:22pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The only loser is the hotel owner. He is out $100.
  
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  November 21, 2022 5:04pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    I’m wrong! Didn’t think this out. The hotel owner’s debt is also gone so he’s not out $100.
    
    Everyone owed someone $100 but they were all owed $100 as well.
    
    No winners and no losers.
    
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    November 21, 2022 5:47pm
mawm

I recommend all read the G20 Bali Declaration.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/11/16/g20-bali-leaders-declaration/

There go all my conspiracy theories!! Included in it are vaccine passports, international tax, health fund for poorer nations, etc. I wonder what Luxon and Seymour will have to say about the passports as they both supported then so avidly at the beginning of the “pandemic”?

Taiwan has been keeping good records and now show that there have been more deaths from the vaccine than Covid19. How on earth can the G20 with the evidence available make something that is so controversial, and likely more toxic than the disease, mandatory? The short answer is because they couldn’t care and they want to be able to control you at every level. (https://youtu.be/3_k1pJzKSFA)

While on the vaccines, from a podcast by Dr Peter McCullough interviewing Alexandria Latypova, MBA and a former pharmaceutical executive, it appears that the whole program and manufacturing of the mRNA vaccines has been under the control of the US DoD. There are some shocking revelations about the manufacturing of the vaccines. (This is only one source so far) Listen from 11′. https://www.americaoutloud.com/department-of-defense-driving-mass-vaccination-while-fda-and-vaccine-companies-are-powerless-to-stop-it/
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November 21, 2022 11:28am
Flossie

I see that it’s in the news again about 16 year olds being allowed to vote.
That’s fine and dandy if they do get that right, but how about the responsibilty for any criminal activity which currently is not treated as adult. Can’t have your cake and eat it.
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November 21, 2022 11:29am
- Ehlana
  
  Apparently its unjustified age discrimination.
  
  So I wonder how discrimination against 15 year-olds is justified? Or 5 year-olds?
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:47am
  - Flossie
    
    Clearly the justification ought to be that the teen brain has not yet sufficiently matured at 16 – or 17.
    
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    November 21, 2022 12:13pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      23. A teen’s brain is removed when they are 13. They get it back when they are 23.
      
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      November 21, 2022 1:34pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Activist judiciary being activist again.
    
    Laws that has existed for 100 years would have been changed by parliament if that was there intent, or if there was a democratic majority in favour of it. There are no limits on the powers of parliament in NZ because they answer to the people. Same cannot be said for Judges and so their circle of power is much more heavily constrained.
    
    Judiciary, stacked with agenda pushing left-leaning ex lawyers, need to learn to stay in their damned lane, or they should be replaced by non-activists that understand the proper role of the judiciary in a parliamentary democracy.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:07pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Ehlana: Apparently against the NZ Bill of Rights!! I spat my coffee when I read that. Suddenly we’re all worried about NZBoRA… 🤯
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:40pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  If 16 year old get the vote then they are treated as an adult and get prison for serious crime – no more youth category for youth court. Simple as that.
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:42pm
Maggie Pie

Is Lydia Ko a New Zealander?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiB6dTXaYAAzchE?format=jpg&name=900×900
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November 21, 2022 11:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Ko was born on 24 April 1997 in Seoul, South Korea, and emigrated with her family to New Zealand when she was four, gaining New Zealand citizenship at age 12.
  Courtesy Wikipedia
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:41am
  - MCōs
    
    So she’s just as much a New Zealander as a lot of other people who immigrated to our wonderful country.
    I worked with a German guy once with an accent straight out of Hogan’s Heroes. I overheard him one day talking to an Indian colleague about ‘Us Kiwis’.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:58pm
    - Ghost
      
      I used to have a Chinese doctor when I lived in Auckland, one of the best gp’s I’ve ever had. Him and his wife moved to nz before I was born, sad the amount of racism they had to put up with here.
      
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      November 21, 2022 2:01pm
      - Harry Knuts
        
        My doctor now is Chinese and I like how he consults and is a clear, efficient and direct communicator. My previous doctors were mostly nice enough but lacked the ability to deal with issues efficiently. Way to relaxed and waffly. reminds of my father calling them all quacks.
        
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        November 21, 2022 3:22pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Ohh Maggie. You know there is 2nd, 3rd generation people in NZ now that may look very Asian but they are as kiwi as you and I :-).
  
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  November 21, 2022 2:21pm
  - MCōs
    
    “They may look very Asian, but . . . . . “
    
    What’s that supposed to mean?
    
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    November 21, 2022 9:17pm
rouppe

The Supreme Court has found that the refusal to consider allowing 16 and 17 year olds to vote is inconsistent with the Bill of Rights which prevents discrimination on the basis of age.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/make-it-16-appeal-to-lower-voting-age-accepted-by-supreme-court/FAWCOW3GEFBL7D4PEOVGZ2WOVA/

Are they really that stupid. Does it not follow that everyone from the time of birth should then be able to vote? That age restrictions on alcohol is therefore also discriminatory? On getting a drivers licence? A million other things?

FFS…
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November 21, 2022 11:44am
- Ghost
  
  Well I think with that ruling it should also be true they are the old enough to be tried as an adult for crimes
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Exactly. If young people want to be treated as adults for voting purposes then they likewise need to be treated as adults in the area of criminal responsibility.
    
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    November 21, 2022 12:17pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And I see certain people are wetting themselves about it 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1594454235130654720
  
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  November 21, 2022 11:59am
  - rouppe
    
    It’s the obvious inconsistency.
    
    It’s against the bill of rights to prevent those under 18 from voting. But its OK to prevent those under 16 from voting.
    
    Crazy
    
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    November 21, 2022 12:01pm
    - marcw
      
      After this decision, I’m more worried about the rights of the so called “intellectual elites” who infest our Supreme Court to vote, than those under the age of 18.
      
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      November 21, 2022 12:34pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      The age discrimination rule in the Human Rights Act that the Bill of Rights Act references is from 16 up.
      
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      November 21, 2022 12:59pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Maggie, Golriz may need those Just’n’case Women’s High-Cut Briefs with Everyday Absorbency that keep appearing on my Kiwiblog site.
    
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    November 21, 2022 2:49pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Obviously, the Bill of Rights Act is not Constitutional so this means nothing.
  Also, from the Act itself:
  
  “4Other enactments not affected
  No court shall, in relation to any enactment (whether passed or made before or after the commencement of this Bill of Rights),—
  (a)
  hold any provision of the enactment to be impliedly repealed or revoked, or to be in any way invalid or ineffective; or
  (b)
  decline to apply any provision of the enactment—
  by reason only that the provision is inconsistent with any provision of this Bill of Rights.”
  
  So the Act itself explicitly says that the Government can ignore the Bill of Rights.
  
  Note that the Human Rights Act disallows discrimination based on age from the age of 16. Again, the Human Rights Act is not Constitutional.
  
  It also states that the Attorney General should advise the Government if a Bill breaches the Bill of Rights.
  
  The big problem is that, logically the BORA cannot breach itself, especially when a specific provision is inconsistent with a general provision (I’m not a lawyer, but specific usually trumps general in legal decisions I’ve seen)
  
  The Bill of Rights Act includes the following line:
  
  “12 Electoral rights
  Every New Zealand citizen who is of or over the age of 18 years—
  (a)
  has the right to vote in genuine periodic elections of members of the House of Representatives, which elections shall be by equal suffrage and by secret ballot”
  
  So, they’re saying it breaches itself based on a general provision (you can’t discriminate based on age over 15) but ignoring the fact that it explicitly states that the age is 18.
  
  The Supreme Court is a joke.
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:09pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Of course the Greens love the idea. Because 16 and 17 year olds are more likely to support the Greens. Because most 16 year olds do not know much about anything.
    
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    November 21, 2022 12:38pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Worse, what they do “know” comes from teachers on the Govt payroll.
      
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      November 21, 2022 1:09pm
    - kowtow
      
      And these days even less as so many can’t even be bothered to go to school .
      
      I also look forward to the drinking age being lowered to 16 and all other similar restrictions going.
      
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      November 21, 2022 1:21pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Of course the Greens love the idea. Because 16 and 17 year olds are ~~more likely to support the Greens. Because most 16 year olds do not know much about anything~~ stupid
      
      eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation!
      
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      November 21, 2022 2:30pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Take it to the Privy Council. Oops!
    
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    November 21, 2022 12:45pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    So, they are saying that the BORA only blocks ages above 18 being the minimum age and therefore, they can lower it despite the BORA specifically stating 18.
    
    A couple of issues:
    The Electoral Act only says adults can vote. The only place the age is stated (from what I can tell) is the BORA.
    Therefore, to lower the age you would effectively create a new minimum (by changing BORA) or add extra layers to already existing law (The Electoral Act).
    AND BORA states the age is 18. It doesn’t matter that the age could be lower because the only Act stating the age is the BORA and the BORA is by definition consistent with itself.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:24pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “…elections shall be by equal suffrage”
    
    Yep, that one’s being chucked out the window by Jackson and MahutaCorp as we speak.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:50pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  This judgement dismisses all research indicating that the brains of young people do not fully mature until some time in their 20s.
  
  This research is supported by voting patterns whereby younger voters tend to support left wing parties. Which explains why Golly G welcomed the judicial decision.
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:20pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Brain maturity is a red herring. Life experience and responsibility are what matter.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:13pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “This judgement dismisses all research indicating that the brains of young people do not fully mature until some time in their 20s.”
    
    That might be true. But I have met some very impressive 20 year olds and very stupid 50 year olds.
    
    I think the main argument against 16 and 17 year olds voting is that they have no real stake in the quality of the Government. They are at school. I guess they could vote for parties that promised to fix the education system. But they are much more likely to vote to “ban” things like oil and gas and to be given “free stuff”. And guess which Party is the epitome of banning things and giving away free stuff?
    
    Julie Ann Genter just tweeted that she has been “moved to tears by this decision”.
    
    https://twitter.com/JulieAnneGenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
    
    FFS. And it is not a “decision”. It is a “judgment”.
    
    Golriz is over the moon.
    
    https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
    
    Remember, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING advocated by the Greens is the polar opposite of sanity.
    
    I doubt that Labour will go there. There will be many Labour voters who will think this is nuts. Even Labour voters have teenage children.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:20pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      BY: If it’s nuts Labour are guaranteed vote for it.
      
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      November 21, 2022 1:46pm
- Southern Raider
  
  And Labour/Greens just won the next election. Wait for this to be rushed through parliament
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:48pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  It’s amazing how much damage this government can do to democracy in a single term. This will add thousands of votes for spending other people’s money and shorten the time until it runs out.
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:53pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I would not be too worried. This judgment does not change the voting age to 16. There is also a dissenting judgment which notes:
    
    “….it is important the public appreciate that what is made is a declaration of inconsistency, not illegality. Parliament is the sole arbiter of the content of legislation; the courts are the sole arbiters of legislative interpretation. The declarator jurisdiction requires the courts to identify, for parliamentary and public attention, cases brought to it where Parliament has passed primary legislation that, duly interpreted, takes effect in a manner inconsistent with the Bill of Rights. In some cases Parliament will know that already, because the Attorney-General will have told it so under s 7, any judgment then serving as authoritative confirmation of that opinion. But what is to be done about the inconsistency identified is always a matter for Parliament.12”
    
    https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/the-courts/supreme-court/judgments-supreme/
    
    The voting age can only change if there is 75 percent support in Parliament. Maybe the Government can change that provision. DPF can probably tells us.
    
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    November 21, 2022 1:11pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Labour demonstrated they didn’t care about BOR for last few years, but this time it’s different right?
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Some crazy Professor at Auckland Uni wanted that. Voting when the kid started school.
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    Which professor is that?
    
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    November 21, 2022 2:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Actually…. It was a Prof. at Victoria University of Wellington.
      
      Professor Simon Keller.
      
      https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/news/2021/10/let-the-children-vote
      
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      November 21, 2022 2:38pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Surely we’ve got enough children voting already?
        
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        November 21, 2022 3:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Can’t find it now. Margaret Mutu?
      It was a few years ago, like 12.
      
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      November 21, 2022 3:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’m reminded of the head boy and girl vote back in high school. The third highest vote went to a write in candidate, Mickey Mouse.
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:48pm
Jethrod

Surely any vote in Parliament would have to be a 75% majority? Refer Electoral act.
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November 21, 2022 12:45pm
- NothingLeft
  
  My understanding is that entrenchment (3/4 majority) can’t stop a government that is inclined to disregard it. In practice more of a convention than an absolute restriction on their powers.
  
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  November 21, 2022 2:09pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

What do you call a straight white couple with kids in a TV advert?
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November 21, 2022 12:52pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I don’t know Maggie but I was talking to a friend who grew up neglected and shuffled through foster care who told me when she was little she would look into the windows of families having dinner and wish she had one like that. So I guess you could call them role models?
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:56pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Baby-eating climate-destroying racist hetero-normative colonisers?
  
  Actually it’s a trick question, they don’t exist in ad-land, only in the real world.
  
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  November 21, 2022 12:59pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Don’t know. Haven’t seen one in years.
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Historical?
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Non-Chinese 老外
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:22pm
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Offensive to snowflakes?
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:24pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’ve run this question through the most powerful computer on earth and the answer is:
  
  “Impossible to compute. Example not found.”
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:32pm
- Flossie
  
  A rarity
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:33pm
- mandk
  
  Deviants?
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:46pm
- Observer of Life
  
  MP: Rare
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Australian?
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:50pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The way the world is going….
  
  https://cdn.friendlystock.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/benetton-ad-10.jpg
  
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  November 21, 2022 1:54pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  answer = the 80’s.
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Colonialists?
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:34pm
- MCōs
  
  It wouldn’t be a Ute ad for a starter.
  They’re usually full of good keen white bloke types.
  
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  November 21, 2022 6:23pm
Fishing in the dark

Halleluja, it is now all on with 16 yrs old allowing to vote the next election, fasten the seat belts for a further terms or more being Red/Green governed, the safest way leading into a communistic state.
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November 21, 2022 1:27pm
- MCōs
  
  I think you’re getting a little emotional there, Fish.
  The Supreme Court ruling means no such thing.
  BTW
  This is NZ not the the USA where Supreme Court are far more consequential.
  
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  November 21, 2022 2:06pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Because we don’t have a Constitution. Higher law gives the Courts a lot of power.
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:11pm
    - kowtow
      
      How many times must it be said.
      
      We do have a constitution.
      
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      November 21, 2022 3:33pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Sorry, obviously we have legislation that gives power to parliament to do their job.
        
        I’m clearly talking about specific superior law that has power over other current and future laws (like you know, the Constitutions of many countries).
        
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        November 21, 2022 4:30pm
- Ghost
  
  That isn’t what the court ruling means. They haven’t got the vote and unless labour and greens can convince national to support a change then they won’t get the vote.
  
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  November 21, 2022 2:15pm
  - MCōs
    
    Who said Labour wants the voting age reduced?
    
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    November 21, 2022 5:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      They are going to submit legislation next year to lower the age to 16 to be debated
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/government-to-propose-legislation-reducing-voting-age-to-16-to-allow-parliament-to-consider.html
      
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      November 21, 2022 5:30pm
      - MCōs
        
        It’s my understanding they have no choice.
        
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        November 21, 2022 6:03pm
    - Flossie
      
      Jacinda
      
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      November 22, 2022 12:18am
- NothingLeft
  
  Supremes advising parliament that in their view 16year olds should be given the vote based up BORA etc, green eejits (Golly G) relaying that they Would be given the vote (how did she ever get a law degree?)
  
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  November 21, 2022 2:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They can have a vote when they start paying their way (Tax, Rates)
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:36pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’s not the way the system works, as you know.
    As it happens everyone pays GST. Should everyone who pays GST, fuel tax, whatever, get a vote?
    Of course not.
    
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    November 21, 2022 5:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/watch-melania-trump-tears-into-biden-presidency-sad-to-see-people-struggling-and-suffering/?

Yup, First Lady 2024.
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November 21, 2022 2:35pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Shortage of baby formula?
  But New Zealand manufacturers are shut out of that market.
  The “septics” get what they deserve.
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ milk form from A2 has a temporary thing going?
    It is just not enough though.
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:39pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING…

‘Speculation about King Charles sex-life has raged for ages.
This is explosive and threatens to blow up Charles reign before it barely begins’.

– MI5 report funneled to British Parliament

[Mod – fixed your link]

https://twitter.com/missnicamarie/status/1593807974652596224
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November 21, 2022 2:41pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Surely inconceivable?
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:09pm
  - mandk
    
    Well, if they were men, it wouldn’t be conceivable.
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:29pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There are a few of those nutbar men who have been pregnant.
      All I can think is poor kid.
      
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      November 21, 2022 3:43pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well, comes as no surprise to moi Alan.
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:32pm
Takere

it looks like mayor Wayne Brown, Ak council have gone all quiet on the investigation into Panuku based on a formal complaint made by Ngati Whatua ki Orakei’s Whai Rawa, Chairman M. Stiassny.
I’m guessing Stiassny already knows the answers to this and is waiting to swap notes and scrutinise the PwC report once it arrives.Which is nearly two months overdue!
And then, with regard to the call for an investigation into the IMSB election.
Its a case that Majurey cant deny as its happened before and you could assume Goff and his exec’s dragged their knuckles on the investigation for nearly the whole duration of the term. But this time Majurey’s pissed so many people off from all quarters, he’s finding it difficult to stay under the radar. And he’s in a teritorial biff with Tainui-Waikato, NWO, over Tamaki, and the Manukau Harbour, Waitemata-Hauraki Gulf and Tikapa-Firth of Thames and the Great barrier Island too. He’s got an affliction to claiming ‘manawhenua’ status everywhere but no iwi can claim that in his rohe. You’ve got to ask the question how does that work?

As well his conflicts of interests in a billion dollar bundle of housing developments with Ockham.

And then piss’n of the iwi in the Taranaki with his work for the Crown for offshore mining applications.

So yeah, its hard for him to continue to fly under the radar.

So Brown needs to get his act together pronto.
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November 21, 2022 2:51pm
Maggie Pie

OUTRAGEOUS!!

Wonder what Elon would have come up with if Trumpy was Muslim?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594500655724609536
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November 21, 2022 3:40pm
- Ghost
  
  I love the comment below
  
  Reeling It In
  If Musk brings Trump back, I will be leaving this country. I got my passport last week when I heard he might buy Twitter. Instead I’ll be moving to Alaska! So long America.
  
  Sigh, American education system
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:46pm
  - Zero Kindness
    
    I know, hilarious, not only is Alaska part of America but were they hoping twitter didn’t exist in Alaska too!
    Not particularly bright
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:48pm
  - Ghost
    
    Dear god, let’s try another stupid twitter poster comment
    
    Folksy
    Musk spent $44 Billion on Twitter. The World’s population is 8 billion. He could have given each person $5 billion and still have money leftover. I feel like a cheque for $5 billion would be life changing for most people. Yet he wasted it all on Twitter
    
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    November 21, 2022 3:59pm
  - Ghost
    
    Omg would someone please think of the 2 year olds that are using twitter…….
    
    Mike27356894
    Elon Musk, this is incredibly inappropriate. There are children on this app. You should know this, you see the statistics. You have the data.
    
    What if my 2 year old child was to see this? Twitter is supposed to be safe for my kid, and here you are disproving it.
    
    Do better.
    
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    November 21, 2022 4:02pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Surely that is sarcasm?? Can even the airhead Lefties be that dumb?
      
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      November 21, 2022 8:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The first comment (I guess he is American) says he is moving to Alaska.
  There are so many Americans (the lower 48) that don’t know Alaska is the 49th State
  He probably thinks Alaska is a Canadian Territory.
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:48pm
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe they just don’t care.
    
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    November 21, 2022 5:03pm
Zero Kindness

Just listened to Sean Plunket interviewing panic merchant Professor Michael Baker.
When Sean asked him why he thinks some countries are no longer jabbing younger people, and why is there resistance or concern about the vaccines, Michael replies “over time all drugs and Pharmaceutical products and vaccines particularly, because they ain’t given to healthy people, so it is very important you are balancing benefits and risks”
Seriously, we didn’t jab any healthy people? So 80% of New Zealanders were not healthy?
Sorry Mr Baker the lies are catching up with you and your ilk.
It is right in the middle of this video 17.25m
https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/professor-michael-baker-on-the-current-covid-wave
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November 21, 2022 3:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It seems Baker has learnt the word soup waffle that Jaspinda uses.
  He thinks he told NZ something, he told us sfa
  
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  November 21, 2022 3:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Apparently, Joe Biden was on 60 Minutes.
He asked how long the show was.
OK, off to get my coat…
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November 21, 2022 4:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh, before you all bugger off for your craft beer shandy.
Something wrong with these people.
https://thepatriotnation.net/she-wants-to-rename-body-parts-because-she-finds-them-offensive-and/
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November 21, 2022 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

INFLATION BUSTER…

Countdown advertising Moet & Chandon @ $55.00 PB.

That’s 25 bucks off!! Order online now for Xmas 😎

(Follow me here for more great money-saving tips and advice)
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November 21, 2022 4:40pm
- Ghost
  
  Shouldn’t you be saying Moet & Chandon on special $70, limited time only, contact Maggie now with payment and address for delivery before Xmas.
  
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  November 21, 2022 5:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I like to be kind to my besties 😀
    
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    November 21, 2022 5:53pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, she who must be obeyed and myself have reasonably good taste buds but for the life of us Moet doesn’t warrant a $50 cost. We prefer Lindauer Reserve (jokingly known as Reservoir) as a reasonable bubbly.
  
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  November 21, 2022 6:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    Great news, Maggie has a special for her kiwiblog besties just $125, and to support the environment she will drink it for you to reduce the carbon footprint and tell you how she liked it
    
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    November 21, 2022 6:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Spindy is wanting to legislate for 16 year olds to have the vote, knowing full well that the younger people are the more likely they are to vote left.
Thank God it needs a super-majority.
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November 21, 2022 5:17pm
Ghost

Christopher Luxon takes aim at parents, ‘culture of excuses’ for truancy crisis, but Jacinda Ardern fires back

National Party leader Christopher Luxon has added to his growing list of people who should take responsibility for the truancy crisis, with parents in the firing line.

Luxon’s pointing the finger at parents and has no time for excuses.

“You chose to have these kids, you have to wake up at 7am, get your kids to school at 8am,” he said.

“You have now got subsidised free lunches, free breakfasts, subsidised period products, subsidised school uniforms.

“There is no excuses. What we have in New Zealand is a culture of excuses.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/christopher-luxon-takes-aim-at-parents-culture-of-excuses-for-truancy-crisis-but-jacinda-ardern-fires-back.html
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November 21, 2022 7:09pm
- Warren
  
  Let’s get the facts right for the spineless Jounalists that deliver the news on our TV Networks in New Zealand. There is a certain bunch of couples in New Zealand that breed for the money that is available after birth, and like Nationals Leader Chris Luxon said tonight on TV that if you have children you are responsible for them whether they are waging School , committing crimes or taking part in Ram Raids and whether you like it or not Parents in today’s world couldn’t care less so it time for them to be held to account for their children.
  When we have a Prime Minister that talks a lot without following up on her promises and plays politics because she is to scared to upset those who neglect their kids.
  When is this media going to grow some balls and start holding this lying peice of crap to account for her continual lies and untruthful behavior.
  
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  November 21, 2022 8:12pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    “You breed’em, we feed’em” has a lot of inevitable consequences. The Left dishonestly ignore them while telling everyone there is no alternative
    
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    November 21, 2022 8:52pm
Ghost

Sad, but while Jacinda was giving away cost of living payments to people she completely ignored the most vulnerable in society

Elderly Kiwis in our largest city are crying out for help amid the cost of living crisis, with a charity telling Newshub they account for 80 percent of calls.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/charity-says-hungry-and-struggling-elderly-new-zealanders-account-for-80-pct-of-calls.html
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Ghost

Just weeks out from the new Fair Pay Agreement law coming into effect, a roadshow explaining the legislation is touring the country.

But the National Party plans to repeal it if elected next year.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/national-party-reiterates-plans-to-repeal-fair-pay-agreement-law.html
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