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Peter Lane

This is frankly unbelievable.

Latest Roy Morgan poll:

“NZ Election is ‘too close to call’ with Labour/ Greens (44.5%) even with National/Act NZ (44.5%) as minor parties surge.”
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December 15, 2021 7:57pm
Yvette

Hey presto … Three Waters becomes Five Waters!
– The Platform

Nanaia Mahuta must not be able to believe her good luck in being blessed with the most gullible and incurious mainstream media any quiet revolutionary could hope for.
Her good luck has continued after Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee dumped its report on Three Waters into the public arena on Friday afternoon.
Such timing is normally seen by journalists as a screaming red flag that the government wants to bury contentious information.
The NZ Herald undoubtedly thought it was onto the subterfuge. It quickly published an article that revealed co-governance had survived the select committee process, despite the widespread opposition expressed in more than 88,000 written submissions.
Its senior writer Thomas Coughlan commented similarly in a tweet:
“[In the] 200-page select committee report on Three Waters, [with] three dissenting views (Nat-Act-Green), Labour’s view can’t even bring itself to use the word ‘co-governance’ once.” …

Astonishingly, the media failed to identify the actual bombshell.
The really radical move in the report — also overlooked entirely by Jack Tame on TVNZ’s Q&A and by Andrew Dickens interviewing Mahuta for Newstalk ZB — was the proposed extension to the scope of Te Mana o Te Wai statements.
Only iwi have the right to issue these edicts, which are binding on the Water Services Entity in their region. That right is denied to non-Maori, who make up the remaining 84 per cent of the population.
The select committee has proposed that such statements, issued exclusively by iwi, should apply not only to freshwater but coastal and geothermal water as well.
So — just like that — Three Waters will become Five Waters. And this extraordinary example of mission creep — well, surge, really — was not even hidden. It appeared on page three of the 200-page report ,,,
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/hey-presto-three-waters-becomes-five-waters

The media fails to notice the select committee bombshell that will hand iwi control over coastal and geothermal water – Graham Adams

National seems to have failed to notice too

Old Hickory said, “We could take ’em by surprise
If we didn’t fire our muskets ’til we looked ’em in the eye”
We held our fire – we kept our powder dry
But when we’s a-woke up, they had passed us by

Well, we fired our guns but Mahuta kept a-comin’
There was twice as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and then began to runnin’
So now Tipa, Nania and Tuku, own the Waikato
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November 15, 2022 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  For some reason the sheeple of NZ can’t see this is the beginning of a Coup by the Maori Elite. They will rule NZ if not stopped.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They will rule NZ if not stopped.
    
    I think not.
    
    They may own/ co-govern key assets, but will never manage them effectively…
    
    When NZ’s economy starts to head for rock-bottom… a new bunch of folks will arrive to ~~asset-strip~~ run the show.
    
    My bets are on the CCP… but folks from India and Indonesia will also be in the running.
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maggie, go to the Stop Co-Governance website by Julian Batchelor. He is not the type of person to broadcast bullshit propaganda.
      There are many contributors to this site, pointing out many things that the Labour bought media would never dare publish. Today’s comment comes from Michael Bassett.
      http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
      
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      November 15, 2022 10:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    …. and they will be the first to rip up the ToW (the gift that keeps on giving) eh?
    
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    November 15, 2022 11:52am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  Regards from Uncle Kim!!!! and regards from the Kingdom of the Early Settlers!!!!
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:33pm
- Takere
  
  Its 6 if you (or is that 8?) include the 3 Harbour Treaty Settlements due to commence.
  Waitemata-Hauraki Gulf
  Tikapa-Firth of Thames
  Manukau Harbour
  
  And then there is Tainui-Waikato’s claim on the (nearly) whole of Auckland.
  Titians in this biff are eke Panuku’s chairman Paul Majurey v Chief Underpants, Tuku Morgan.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:49pm
Benedict Yu

As expected, NZTA is about to reduce the 100 kmh speed limit to 80 kmh and in some cases 60 kmh on hundreds of kilometres of State Highways.

This is out for “consultation”. 🤡 I know how that will work.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/15/nzta-proposes-sweeping-state-highway-speed-limit-decreases/

Request to National. Promise to reverse this in your first 30 days in office. No “review” or “doing it better”. I guarantee it will be a major winning move with voters.
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November 15, 2022 8:04am
- kevn
  
  @BY… Sounds like a great potential revenue gatherer for the clown circus.
  Enough to fill a few potholes which are a true problem..
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:15am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It makes me beyond 😡 angry.
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:34am
- Scott
  
  Many of us remember when the speed limit was 80k because of the country’s need to conserve fuel and it was thought that 80k was more efficient than 100k.
  
  Even then in those old vehicles people found it very frustrating, too slow for the cars of the day.
  
  Now in today’s vehicles 80k will be even more frustrating.
  
  Note to the electorate. Never elect socialists. They want to change everything. They will make your life worse all the while feeling they are making your life better.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:27am
  - rouppe
    
    At 80kph my 7-speed gearbox will be running in 6th or 5th.
    
    Morons
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      It is not only down to 80. A number of the proposed reductions are from 100 kmh to 60 kmh.
      
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      November 15, 2022 9:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Waka Kotahi” say they have ‘an obligation to reduce harm’. In that case what are they doing about the meth crazed drivers in Christchurch? Nothing.
    
    And why oh why does this outfit need a separate “Maori Strategy”?
    
    How do transport needs vary by ethnicity?
    
    Don’t read this while you are drinking coffee, or eating.
    
    https://www.nzta.govt.nz/about-us/about-waka-kotahi-nz-transport-agency/maori-and-waka-kotahi-nz-transport-agency/
    
    “The name Te Ara Kotahi symbolises the pathway that Māori and the Crown walk together upon as envisaged by Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It also signifies Te Kotahitanga, the unity and inclusion of all cultures upon the foundation of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
    
    Te Ara Kotahi outlines five strategic pou (pillars) that support te whakakitenga (the vision). Each pou has captured our intentions for how we will develop in the area of working with Māori. Priorities have been identified under each pou to focus our efforts and to operationalise and drive the implementation of Te Ara Kotahi in the work we do. A programme of work is being undertaken to make this happen.”
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:23am
    - Sacha
      
      But what about the people? Since they have not been consulted, who will make them co-operate?
      But it will be easier for the police to catch the speeders in a 60kph limit area –
      
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      November 15, 2022 10:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What a load of mind bending, patronising bullshit that is.
      Stop Co-Governance.
      
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      November 15, 2022 10:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Socialist Govt dodging the real problem. Road maintenance and those bloody potholes.
  Useless x 100
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:55am
  - RoboRob
    
    100%
    
    The really sad thing is that if they skipped the stupid TV adds, dropped the massive PR department and stopped with the woke studies, they could probably fix up a few dozen roads and actually save some lives.
    
    Disgusting.
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:49am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      What are TV ads and why do you watch them?
      
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      November 15, 2022 11:52am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Agree….my life has improved with TV Apps supplying shows to fully fill the News times……….sigh
        
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        November 15, 2022 12:31pm
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Drove the A1/A8 Barossa to Melbourne the other day – 110k SA – 100/110k Vic limits and majority single lane each way – plenty of passing lanes. Sure there are a few potholes in the areas badly hit by the recent floods but well marked – and being fixed pronto. Actual drive time ~ 8 hrs for 750k. Try doing that in this country 🙁
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Covering that distance in that time in NZ would get you 10 or more speeding tickets.
      
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      November 15, 2022 10:49am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Just two stretches at Mount Manganui’s Te Maunga interchange would see increases to their existing permanent speed limits, each rising 10km/h from 70km/h to 80km/h.”
  
  As long-suffering Tauranga locals will know, the clusterf*ck that is the Te Maunga interchange project will still be years before completion. It has already dragged on, interminably, for more than 7 years and is “estimated” to be complete by December 2023. I highly doubt that will be the case.
  
  I gave up visiting the website years ago, as every time I looked at it the design and layout had changed. it now looks nothing like the original design put forward in John Key’s second term. I know.
  
  Part of the issue is that the Woke Waka Kotahi idiots gave the contract to an Australian outfit, ignoring Fulton Hogan and Downer. Unfortunately the Aussies thought they could simply sub-contract the work to FH and clip the ticket on the way through, but FH (and Downer) both gave them the flick. So the project has limped along for more than 7 years, costing thousands in travel time and extra fuel every single day. Muppets is being too kind to them.
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:04am
- James Stephenson
  
  Some quick googling suggests that there are something like 45 billion km driven by light vehicles per year in this country – so 0.00000008 deaths per km driven.
  
  If I look at 2010, then road toll was 375 and 37 billion km which means over a decade(ish) we’ve actually had something like a 20% improvement in the road toll per km driven.
  
  NZTA has been fully captured by anti-car ideologues.
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:34am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  BY – Luxon would recommend reducing the 80KMPH to 70 KMPH.
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:12am
- Nickc2
  
  I heard a guy on the Hosking show this morning from the AA agreeing with the move. He must be a classmate of Michael Wood. In other words, another brain-dead fuckwit.
  I fail to believe it’s all about road deaths as advertised. If road deaths were the issue, the authorities would be confiscating driver’s licenses and cars from offenders for a very lengthy period and jailing repeat offenders (regardless of racial preference, sexual persuasion, and deprivation level).
  IMO, it’s nothing more than a Money Grab.
  Police Officers will also be too busy filling quotas for Traffic Offences to attend Ramraids, Violent Offending, and Drive-By shooting incidents.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:09pm
  - Batman
    
    If it’s a money grab then why only do it for 4% of the state highways?
    
    If you care to read the road to zero plan, you’d find that much stronger penalities are anticipated to be part of it, and I’ve heard from old mates that they’re on the way through the rule setting process.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:19pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Is it 4% of the traffic, though?
      
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      November 15, 2022 12:28pm
    - Nickc2
      
      4% of State Highways are only the beginning IMO.
      You sure have some strange ‘mates’ batman. Perhaps you could ask them what has so far been decided as far as ‘rule settings’ go. On the other hand, you could give us their names and we could ask them if only to confirm what you say eh?
      
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      November 15, 2022 12:36pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Can’t you tell from his mindset across the board on issues? He’s plugged into the Wellington Sir Humphrey community and will be looking for exciting new opportunities with National cum 2023.
        
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        November 15, 2022 12:51pm
  - Ghost
    
    I doubt the roading division have much to do with ram raids. As for filling quotas, the one thing in my life I don’t think I will ever get over is that knock on the door in the middle of the night. I hope your quota filling police continue to go after drunks and people speeding.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:24pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It is not a money grab – it is ideological. Most folk cannot afford to simply ignore the new speed limits. Even if you could afford the fines, before long your license would be suspended and your insurance company would be having a stern talk.
    
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    November 15, 2022 1:53pm
Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

– but this week, in her absence, Labour will bang through Parliament the third reading of the relevant 3 waters legislation and some of that “co-governance” process will be a done deal.

And Luxon may be a little late.
Labour later will have been given the retort argument of – Why did you not say anything at the appropriate time? – when we were passing the legislation?
Why did you not press us for a definition of “co-governance” and find us as befert on that as our definition of “hate speech”.
This is probably the week it should all have been happening.
A controversy so devastating that Jacinda could not swan off tripping.overseas.
International embarrassment – stardust collapses as just dust – as her Government is caught trying to change fundamental democracy – one person, one vote – to something Willie Jackson has not defined.
So where is Luxon?

Perhaps this is commenter suicide on a definitely National favouring blog, but what else?
I will take my medications now
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November 15, 2022 8:04am
- Tricati
  
  I have basically given up on Luxon. He seems to afraid to challenge this separatist nonsense, and his silence only reinforces the perception he is ok with it.
  Saying they will repeal the legislation and they are working on an alternative, is not the same as coming out hard and saying that this legislation is separatist, and an appalling abuse of a governments majority in favour of a minority group. National stands for 1 person 1 vote and we will not stand to see or democracy undermined in this fashion. After 40 years supporting National, I will now move to ACT, as they seem the only party seriously pushing back on this.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:53am
  - kevn
    
    @Tri… Luxon can’t get reported, that is part of the 55 million controlled narrative.
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:08am
    - Yvette
      
      @Kevn
      Nothing like setting up a few websites and publicising them internationally to see if Jacinda would prefer to keep the “conversation” at home and just sort of across her own motu.
      
      See? – I am better post-medications
      
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      November 15, 2022 9:14am
      - kevn
        
        @Yvette… I see and read the Aussie media appear to be onto arden.
        
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        November 15, 2022 10:49am
      - Nickc2
        
        I take Brandy, Cognac, and/or Beer. It gives me a completely different perspective on things. What’s your medication, Yvette?
        
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        November 15, 2022 12:44pm
      - Yvette
        
        @ Nickc2
        About 13 items, last count, all in little packets from the pharmacy.
        The maximum dose of a chronic nerve pain medication is about the nearest to what ales you, Nick
        
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        November 15, 2022 1:08pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Yvette @ 1:28PM
        Sorry to hear that Yvette. I thought you were using the word ‘medication’ in a jocular sense.
        Apologies!
        
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        November 15, 2022 7:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      He could easily come on Kiwiblog. Fuck the media.
      
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      November 15, 2022 10:56am
  - Ghost
    
    Luxon has to get into government to do anything and that means walking a finely balanced line to encourage labour voters and national voters that turned to labour to switch back to national.
    
    Go listen to Luxon when he is in your town next and you will realise they are pushing back.
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:18am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      The mere fact that people need to be persuaded to vote against these anti- democratic, race-based policies tends to show just how fucked we really are.
      
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      November 15, 2022 3:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern is all hui and no duey. Public Consultation will come in the form of written submissions. We know what they do with those..
  Another lie.
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:55am
O C Smith

Good Morning, after 5 years of Labour is there anything in NZ which has improved?
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November 15, 2022 8:05am
- alloytoo
  
  Lost of things have gone up!
  
  Inflation, debt, Money spent, hospital wait times…..
  
  Oh wait….
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Organised crime gang numbers.
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:58am
    - stiff cheese
      
      All these are up under Jacinda’s watch:
      
      Truancy,
      Ram raids,
      Drive-by shootings,
      Foodbank usage,
      Motels co-opted to house the poor…
      Worst house price inflation — only beaten by Turkey
      
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      November 15, 2022 9:27am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:36am
- Rusty
  
  OC Smith- They got rid of plastic bags from our supermarkets.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    By doing so they saved the planet.
    
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    November 15, 2022 11:00am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      This is undoubtedly true. I looked outside, and yep, the planet is still here. Hooray!
      
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      November 15, 2022 3:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Thankyou for guarding the planet
        
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        November 15, 2022 4:35pm
- Simon
  
  Complete failure across the board. Its fascinating.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:52am
- Simon
  
  Cindy has more aligned NZ with GAE. If America wins against Russia / China is should go well for NZ.
  
  Its interesting that NZ has not good relations with India. Apparently. This a result of Cindy getting closer with GAE.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A new history syllabus.
  
  Your Gd kiddies/mokopuna won’t have to spend all their primary school days hearing about Captain Cook and tracing maps showing his routes around oceans.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, class time on Maorified history, learning Maori language, kapa haka, and Green philosophy.
    
    No time for arithmetic or English language.
    
    New Zealand’s sky-dive into the Third World.
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:03am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Do e have a parachute though? or will that only slow the descent?
      
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      November 15, 2022 3:06pm
- Pavel
  
  The value of my property portfolio has doubled in value even after selling off 20% of it, enabling me to buy a new Ranger, Harley and boat with enough change that I don’t have to work anymore. Times haven’t been so good since the Clark government days. 10 more years of this and my kids won’t have to work a day in their lives.
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:12am
  - O C Smith
    
    Are your figures inflation adjusted?
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Same old, same old. Every time Labour come to power they do the same thing. Fuck New Zealand by trying to install Socialism.
  This is the sixth Labour Govt.
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:03am
- rangitoto
  
  Ram raids are doing great. Labour’s big success.
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:20am
Souvlaki

At this rate…Trotter could end up like Trotsky😳.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/11/15/the-facts-dont-always-tell-the-truth/
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November 15, 2022 8:05am
mandk

This PoS should be relieved of his NZ citizenship. so that he can join the Russian army and serve the motherland he loves so much:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300736493/son-of-auckland-woman-who-raised-money-for-russian-army-dodged-conscription
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November 15, 2022 8:05am
Matt Long

Lessons from the American midterms keep coming. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/governors-opposed-draconian-lockdowns-increased-margins-victory-in-2022
Winston First was the only one with the political nous to catch this one, he hasn’t been in parliament for most of my life by being a woke fool.
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November 15, 2022 8:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Red Wave became the Raspberry Ripple on the back of Gen Z loving the idea of their Student Loans being forgiven.
  And WTF is going on with their Voting systems?
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:16am
  - mandk
    
    No, Gen Z was fighting for the right to kill babies.
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:51am
  - Inandout
    
    AoR, and they say de Santis gamed the system by having proper voting and no ‘harvesting’..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A8qy8acsXg
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:51am
  - Frank the tank
    
    The wave happened but not the way we thought. In 2020 7M more people voted for Democrat candidates whereas in 2022 5M more voted for GOP candidates.
    
    The vagrancies of the much maligned College system of voting saved the Democrats.
    
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    November 15, 2022 11:37am
- Scott
  
  Just finished watching the movie My Son Hunter.
  So interesting that Hunter was the front man for Joe Biden , raking in millions of dollars from the Ukraine and China, making deals where Joe Biden would directly change US policy settings to please his new Chinese friends. Where he brags on tape getting the Ukrainian prosecutor fired who was investigating Burisma.
  
  And the beauty of it all was Trump got impeached for wanting the Biden’s investigated!
  
  If the story had come out Biden would likely have lost the 2020 election. But the media and Big Tech quashed the story as Russian disinformation.
  
  So many lies. Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and the whole family should have faced criminal charges long ago. And yet they impeached Trump for what Biden was doing! Biden was dealing in quid pro quo, not Trump.
  
  So many lies and so many people fell for them. Including otherwise perceptive people here in NZ. Sad.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:21am
  - MCōs
    
    I’d never heard of this movie so I looked up some reviews
    Here’s one that takes no prisoners
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/06/my-son-hunter-review-rightwing-biden-movie
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:06am
    - All_on_Red
      
      So many words yet nothing about the contents of Bidens Laptop
      And Dude, you giving credence to an opinion piece from the Guardian explains a lot!
      
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      November 15, 2022 9:28am
    - ISeeRed
      
      The Guardian? As predictable as the tides.
      
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      November 15, 2022 9:33am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The Guardian. lolololololol
      
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      November 15, 2022 10:09am
    - Frank the tank
      
      C’Mon Cosy – the Guardian to review My Son Hunter……………….
      2/10 ten. Poor.
      
      That is like asking Greg Presland to do an assessment of the current government here.
      
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      November 15, 2022 11:40am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300738618/national-candidates-past-support-for-5050-cogovernance-at-odds-with-party-line

Did the National Party, at any level, have prior knowledge of Mr Potaka’s opinions and background before choosing him as their candidate?
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November 15, 2022 8:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  What a pathetic piece of journalism. Tama Potaka is being criticised for a paper he wrote when he was at university in the mid-1990’s, almost 30 years ago. Surely he can’t be held to account for that if life experiences have changed his perspective.
  
  As Churchill said “If you’re not a socialist at 18, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative at 30, you have no brain.” Evidence suggest that Tama Potaka has a very good brain!
  
  What this DOES show however is the depths the media will go to in trawling through someone’s past to find a “gotcha”. That’s something every National candidate needs to be aware of.
  
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  December 15, 2021 8:20am
  - Gravelroad
    
    So the answer to my question above is…?
    Yes
    No
    Don’t know
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:43am
  - Jack5
    
    Fair enough, Tony, and I agree adults shouldn’t be judged by the political views of their youth, but co-governance isn’t so much about socialism as about turning NZ into an ethno-state.
    
    The Communists of the Soviet Union were brutal towards ethnic nationalists: Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Volga Germans all put in trains at bayonet point and moved to Siberia.
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:58am
  - G152
    
    Pure out and out gotcha racism. How come the same tactics are not employed against the left?
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:58am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  National trying to be woke comes back to bite you.
  Sigh.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:17am
- pdm
  
  Mind boggling straight after Uffindell isn’t it.
  
  Mind you there was a day when the National Party used to promote healthy debate within Caucus. Not sure that happens under Luxon who seems to be a `my way or the highway’ man.
  
  A more woke version of Peters.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:17am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That’s not the impression I get pdm. Luxon delegates jobs to his MP’s and lets them get on with doing them. That’s why he doesn’t comment on every issue that’s going on. There’s a weekly meeting of MPs and their senior advisors on policy issues. There’s plenty of “healthy debate” in caucus.
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:30am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      My spies within caucus tell me that National’s internal polling has them 5 points lower than Labour….
      
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      November 15, 2022 11:16am
      - Frank the tank
        
        DPF’s recently released polling had National ahead by 2. DPF being National’s pollster and all.
        
        Fail.
        
        Up there with Cosy’s review of My Son Hunter by the Guardian earlier.
        
        Obviously something in the water today………….
        
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        November 15, 2022 11:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Mind boggling is that they were considering one of the Zhangs for candidate’s college .
    
    The Media pardy made nothing of that but a bigly deal of Bridge’s opinion of Pugh.
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:49am
- Yvette
  
  National –
  Ngāi Tai ki Tāmaki chief Potaka was approached for an interview on Monday, but declined citing a full schedule. Instead he issued a statement which said: “I haven’t spent much time thinking about a university paper I wrote at law school more than two decades ago.”
  
  Labour –
  At the beginning of the month Labour’s candidate, Georgie Dansey, was spotted at a protest against a senior member and minister of her own party, Health Minister Andrew Little.
  
  Labour Georgie Dansey’s offence wins by more than 20 years
  
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  both quotes – https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300738618/national-candidates-past-support-for-5050-cogovernance-at-odds-with-party-line
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Written for Australia, but applies also to NZ:

There is no climate crisis but a crisis in public policy which results in a massive increase in electricity prices, inflation, food and energy insecurity, loss of employment, exporting of productive industries and sovereign risk. This public policy failure has already cost taxpayers and consumers hundreds of billions of dollars.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2022/11/the-biggest-public-policy-disaster-in-a-lifetime/
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November 15, 2022 8:09am
- All_on_Red
  
  Its almost criminal what has been done to our way of life.
  All based on dodgy Models
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/11/why-climate-models-dont-work.php
  
  Yet, this is what you get when a Just Stop Oil activist gets asked questions.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bumKlEoGhvk&t=363s
  These people are nutters
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:14am
  - OlderChas
    
    Good God! What an idiot she made of her shining-eyed fanatical self.
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Fancy waking up to that in the morning.
    Nutters is too kind. What if the whole planet was controlled by these airbrains.
    
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    November 15, 2022 11:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      @ Fuzzy.
      They want to start a revolution, but they can’t even start a fucking lawnmower.
      
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      November 15, 2022 4:42pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    They have been conditioned to believe there is an immediate existential threat from the pace and extent of (theorised) climate change.
    So you can’t negotiate with these types, there is no compromise.
    If you really believed their starting point then it is a matter of life or DEATH. To protect your family and unborn generations, there is no effort that cannot be justified.
    They take on the moral authority of enlightened saviours.
    There is more wide-eyed fanaticism here than any patriotic war of self defence. They don’t need to take the personal risk of a walk into shellfire against an enemy which seeks to maim or kill them; they only need to throw paint or lay down and they are HEROES.
    
    On the other side of the coin, I see them as the masses of duped or smaller core of manipulative people who swallow or spout this line: it is just a tool of socialism dressed up as being about the environment. Oddly, wealth redistribution, and mix in some fighting against white supremacism and the patriarchy for good measure.
    Of course I am all for air and water purity, and hate pollution, but these idiots are more about social revolution and the militant “cause” than getting out there and planting trees themselves.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:40pm
Tony Stuart

A jeweller in Ellerslie was ram-raided yesterday, in broad daylight. Interestingly though, this chap had tried to get support from the Ram Raid Protection Fund, but had been turned down:

Epsom MP and Act leader David Seymour said Ellerslie Jewellers had asked Police Minister Chris Hipkins for support back in August, but had been turned away.

Seymour provided an email sent by Hipkins’ office to Ellerslie Jewellers & Engravers on August 22, which said: “The funding available to access the $6 million support package to help protect businesses from ram raids is not contestable, and retailers are not able to apply for funding.”

The email went on to state that police are identifying eligible shops based on “past victimisations” and after “weighted criteria” to prioritise which shops receive assistance first.

“This approach has been chosen because it’s targeted, it creates equity by removing barriers to applying to the fund, and because evidence shows that once a location has been victimised it’s more likely to be re-offended against unless an intervention occurs.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ellerslie-jewellery-store-targeted-in-daylight-robbery/VJGQ3UNQ4VAJJJ5NHA3PDNG4TM/

This is outrageous! The fund is intended to help retailers take precautions against ram-raiders, but you have to have been through the trauma of a ram raid first before you can get any money. That is truly bizarre.

This ram raid’s on YOU Chris Hipkins; the buck stops at your desk. If ever proof was needed that the Government’s priorities on crime are totally out of whack, here it is. Labour really is soft on crime, and criminals.
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November 15, 2022 8:12am
- cmm
  
  It’s pretty much the same as the crime fighting policy – only responding AFTER the event.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:25am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Tony, leftie Twitterati don’t see ramraids of jewelers as a problem, because it’s hardly as though they’re supplying an essential service…
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:28am
  - dubya
    
    What do lefties deem essential? I’m going with WINZ offices (that beneficiaries never need to report to), mask shops, and funding for Te Tiriti-Centric artistic endeavours/academic research.
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:13am
- Simon
  
  “The fund is intended to help retailers take precautions against ram-raiders, ”
  
  Lol – The purpose of the fund was so that Labo could run some bullet points to manage the narrative around that Labo were fighting crime. The fund had fuck all about actual crime.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:34am
- MCōs
  
  This guy’s beef is clearly with the police
  “Rennell also said he had two police officers attend his store some weeks ago as a part of the Small Retailer Crime Prevention Fund to attempt to qualify for smoke cannons and other added security measures.
  The officers left the store after telling him his security was “up to scratch.” “
  Clearly his security wasn’t able to withstand a daytime attack.
  What’s ACT’s solution?
  Contract out the work of the police to companies that provide security equipment?
  Next minute every jewelry shop, dairy, service station, in NZ will be lining up to be fitted out with all sorts of bells and whistles at taxpayer expense.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:33am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Pursue the criminals relentlessly. Uplift any minors and move them out of the region and their peer groups. Intensive focus on the families who breed ferals or allow this to happen. Build prisons ASAP. Drop cultural reports for sentencing. Evict problem tenants and families. Move them into 2nd tier social housing. Consequences to long term beneficiaries who breed a second generation. If people can’t parent, then break up the families. Punishments to fit the crime. Home detention only for truly minor victimless crimes. Police to attend burglaries and facebook market sales of stolen goods. Police presence on the street. Stations in CBD areas. Allow shop keepers to defend themselves with violence if need be. Go after the gangs (they are not ‘whanau’). Make sure kids are in school. Criminal proceeds confiscations ramped up – take the bikes and SUVs every time. Lean on gangs with paramilitary policing. Take their property and possessions. Reward those in school and employment. Set a limit on time spent on welfare and enact sanctions. Unapologetically support the productive and law-abiding and be clear there is zero tolerance for parasites and predators.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:51pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Gee, 4 downticks. Someone touched a nerve!
      
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      November 15, 2022 7:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  As usual, another great idea from Labour just does not work.
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:49am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Not much hope that a change of government would turn the trick when you’ve got Police Officers like this:
  
  “We know this from speaking to offenders, that if they’re greeted at the door it has a large deterrent effect on them“
  …
  This is a cop speaking. A senior cop. Not some hand-wringing Lefty “criminologist” or Lefty activist or Lefty politician.
  
  Specifically a cop with sixteen years of experience that they’ve put in charge of the National Retail Investigation Support Unit.
  
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  November 15, 2022 1:39pm
peterwn

So the council is now demolishing the toilets between Dixon Street and Manners Street because the area is frequented by ‘undesirables’. But no new toilets at nearby Inglewood Place will be built until 2024! And the new toilets are likely to attract the same sort of undesirables. Seems the obvious answer ie more police presence is too radical. Also the Opera House toilets are woefully inadequate especially for ladies.
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November 15, 2022 8:13am
- Matt Long
  
  Much better undesirables are urinating and defecating in people’s doorways obviously.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:39am
- Piticus
  
  I am so ‘relieved’ a whakamoe ceremony was held to mark the removal of the present toilets (I wonder what that cost ratepayers ?).
  I will again be extremely ‘relieved’ when new toilets are blessed and installed shortly.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:10am
  - peterwn
    
    I would have thought that a ‘Whakapohane’ (21 bum salute) would have been more appropriate.
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Thank goodness the dunnies are being demolished.
  
  My old man came down to visit me in Wellington some years back and as we were down the end of Courtney Place, I suggested we head into a nearby restaurant for a bite to eat…
  
  The old man looked at the place and said he wasn’t eating in the same place that had been the local pissoir last time he visited.
  
  https://www.heritage.org.nz/the-list/details/1434
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:31am
Bridgenag

This is frightening stuff…..

Jacinda Ardern accused of killing her re-election hopes with kindness.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0def249a-6365-11ed-9ccc-9d160947f622?shareToken=385b38d8360be8b1be1f6d643bbbd03a
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November 15, 2022 8:14am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Good grief no wonder the rest of the world thinks she is a saint with that drivel being written about her. I guess an offshore recipient of part of the 55 million.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:39am
cmm

There is one law that cannot be side-stepped: The law of unintended consequences.

Can cabinet not see the downsides to having a refund scheme for bottles? Imagine all the rubbish that’s going to be strewn around by people tipping out wheelie bins or digging through street bins.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/130056096/cabinet-to-consider-proposed-refund-scheme-for-bottles-cans-before-end-of-year
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November 15, 2022 8:16am
- Matt Long
  
  Last I heard bottles were not getting recycled but made into massive stockpiles.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:35am
  - Bridgenag
    
    They could be pulverised and used in concrete…..
    
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    November 15, 2022 8:40am
- youcanthandlethetruth
  
  I think the plan is the reduce the likelihood of bottles making their way into the bins in the first place.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:35am
  - cmm
    
    That might be the intention, but that is not how it will work.
    
    Let’s say it’s 20c a bottle. Many people really can’t be bothered about that. Therefore bottle mining will become a valuable enterprise for some.
    
    That’s fine if the bottle miners clean up after themselves, but there is little incentive to do so, so they won’t.
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:14am
- Flossie
  
  On the subject of recycling, does anyone else have the same problem as me and partner? That is we have huge difficulties reading the numbers in the little triangles on the bottom of plastic items. (Specsavers will tell you there’s nothing wrong with our eyesight!)
  If we just can’t make it out we generally put in the rubbish bin, as we’ve heard that incorrect recycling can contaminate a whole truckload of recyclables….
  How about more legible marking?
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    incorrect recycling can contaminate a whole truckload of recyclables
    
    I think you’re an eco-saint for even bothering to check.
    
    Most of plastic recycling in NZ is a virtue-signalling, feel-good exercise for us.
    
    https://www.greenpeace.org/aotearoa/press-release/new-zealand-exporting-plastic-waste-to-developing-nations-at-an-alarming-rate/?gclid=CjwKCAiA68ebBhB-EiwALVC-Ngq9XX-ZsKffN5wk5cNhyp5AhxcDEYkYc0VnPgYqS06riolM57HrPBoCrzsQAvD_BwE
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:07am
- artemisia
  
  Few years back there were can crushers, one at our local petrol station. Put in your can, money popped out. Gone now, but how well did they work?
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:11am
Maggie Pie

The Hosk might have been a bit harsh on Tara McMillian from Waka Kotahi during his interview with her this morning.
Just stopped short of calling her….a liar.

TBF, there have been many occasions when I’ve been doing 100k’s on the Auckland motorway with both windows down and had a lime-green insect land on my lap making me swerve towards the safety barrier.

You can understand why she sounded sooo excited about lowering the speed limits.

SHEESH!!
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November 15, 2022 8:18am
- Bridgenag
  
  I came to that half way through….thought it was a man speaking!……….
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:35am
- Cinematic
  
  A truly bizarre insect story. Reading from scripts so a little off point for the entire interview.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:58am
- pdm
  
  Maggy – bet it wasn’t as scary as when a baby bumble bee came in through the drivers window and up the leg of my shorts.
  
  I was in the middle of the (luckily country road near Spring Creek) in my undies in record time.
  
  No harm done to me, my passengers or the bumblebee.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:12am
  - Ghost
    
    Oh no, not a bee, I’m having flashbacks to Amber Heard now
    
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    November 15, 2022 9:21am
  - Biscuit
    
    pd, I was on a train into Wellington one day years and years ago and a WASP flew up one of (long!) trousers legs.
    
    Mucho madcap belting of my leg to make said wasp a deceased wasp before it stung me.
    
    The wasp won that battle … but, yay, I won the war!
    
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    November 15, 2022 11:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wasp inside my crash helmet was a lot of fun.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:01pm
- OlderChas
  
  I don’t think that import from Australia answered one question, instead just waffled a wordsoup of propaganda.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:54am
Warren

Ha ha Maori are always going on about what they need and what the Government’s policies are doing for them so when it comes to voting they haven’t been looked after.Well you would think if they wanted change they would get out and vote, but obviously even that is to hard for them withthe headlines in the Herald reading “Maori Wards did not inspire the voters ” so whatsnext to boost democracy?
“Māori wards did not inspire voters: So what next to boost democracy? – NZ Herald” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-wards-did-not-inspire-voters-so-what-next-to-boost-democracy/K3SFLGRPVZEB3JKEIY2S3EJMQQ/
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November 15, 2022 8:22am
- septic skeptic
  
  Maybe the new Maori chiefs ought to be able to cast proxy votes for all their subjects.
  
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  November 15, 2022 8:49am
- cmm
  
  They’ve been trained by Covid.
  
  Wait until the whiteys offer KFC vouchers. Then you go get MMR jabs for your kids, vote etc.
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:11am
- Drone
  
  Money, pay the maori to turn up and vote.. Or maybe proxy voting..
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett reminds us of some tribal history

It should not be any minister’s role to advance personal tribal interests. Getting family members appointed other than on merit is beyond the pale. New Zealand is a democracy; our constitution provides for one person-one vote. Willie Jackson should be firmly reminded of this fact. Any scheme which endeavours to entrench racial or tribal privilege in any administrative arm of government should immediately be rejected.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-nanaia-jacinda-and-the-tribal-takeover
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November 15, 2022 8:24am
All_on_Red

Willie doesn’t think he is doing anything wrong because in his Tribal system, nepotism and corruption are the ‘maori’ way.
So Chur Bro- its all good.
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November 15, 2022 8:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

How to disappear a National Park

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-we-made-a-national-park-disappear
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November 15, 2022 8:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Chris Finlayson has a lot to answer for.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:59am
  - Jack5
    
    Anyone read Finlayson’s book yet?
    
    He’s not all bad. ACT must think he’s worth quarter of a million party votes.
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:05am
kowtow

RMA “reform” .

How much “consulting” with special interests be entrenched in this latest exercise .
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November 15, 2022 9:01am
- Warren
  
  You know how most of Geoffrey Palmer Reforms work , most were not fit for purpose but like everything that happens with Labour they rushed them through Parliament and the rest is History.
  So if anyone thinks David Parkers RMA reform.s will be any different I would think you are in for a big surprise because he is just another Labour Party clone of Geoffrey Palmer former Labour Party Prime Minister.
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:22am
Maggie Pie

And what’s happened to MonkeyPox….has the marketing team quit?
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November 15, 2022 9:04am
- Ghost
  
  The table top exercise on it had it becoming a thing early next year 😜
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:12am
Surely Knott

Heart breaking but all to common of the Dad who died in the rip rescuing his child.

Apparently NZ is trialing the pink buoy programme being used by Australia and South Africa.

Why are we waiting. Let’s just get them rolled out across the country in unmanned remote areas.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-09-13-pink-is-for-buoys-the-importance-of-water-safety-protection/
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November 15, 2022 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is amazing the number of people in NZ just can’t swim. There’s water everywhere.
  Then we come to the rips. Don’t fight it, go with it. When it stops, swim sideways and come in at another place.
  Panic is what makes people drown. You just wear yourself out.
  Get the kids into the water. Get them to pools with a swim teacher.
  Having said that, I never went to a teacher. I learnt by myself swimming in the Waikato River. Not really a place I would swim in now.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:19pm
  - Ghost
    
    I was amazed growing up in Taupo how many people in school couldn’t swim, even by the time of high school there were those who couldn’t swim. I taught myself to swim as well.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:28pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      NO one is wearing life jackets……….Kid can’t swim put something on him…… macho stuff a ‘aint good enough
      
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      November 15, 2022 12:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I don’t wear my lifejacket in my boat unless it gets rough.
        It is there, right in front of me, behind the steering wheel.
        I make the Grandkids wear them though.
        
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        November 15, 2022 1:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      These days I prefer the sea. More buoyant.
      
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      November 15, 2022 12:44pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    One of the first things I learnt, was to swim. My mother was very keen on the idea.
    The old centenial pool in christchurch and then the school pool at Linwood North. Or the other way around.
    
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    November 15, 2022 5:18pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Part of the problem in Auckland is the lack of good public pools. And the ones we have are huge and over crowded and serve large regional locations. Would be happy to pay rates or pool entry fees for more good local small to medium sized outdoor community pools Like St Erin pools which is always over subscribed. You cans do some lessons but you really need regular access to a pool or similar to really be a strong swimmer.
    
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    November 15, 2022 6:08pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I learned to swim when I was 5 – in 1947. My grandparents had a bach at Little Waihi – a settlement over the hill from Maketu, near Te Puke. (it is now known as Bledisloe Part – and no, not a Maori name 🙂 – but I’m sure it has one, as it is steeped in Maori history ) Beautiful place.
      
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      November 15, 2022 7:26pm
- Yabster
  
  I was taught to swim when I was 6 – Duncan Lange threaten the kids would be sucked down the plug hole if they didn’t behaved- seem to work too, as to graduate you had to do 10 lengths of Moana pool (50m per length).
  
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  November 15, 2022 3:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Large middle-aged lady turned up to swim some laps in the lane next to me, last year.
    
    Wonder if she can keep up with me, I speculated….
    
    then whooooooosh…. Up & down, up & down, up & down at speeeeeed and with style.
    
    “Gosh!” I gasped, when she finally stopped..” You are fast.”
    
    “Oh, really?” she responded, in a surprised tone.
    
    “I s’pose all those mornings training under Duncan Laing have paid off.”
    
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    November 15, 2022 4:51pm
kevn

@Maggie/Ghost… An election year plaything?
Pull it from the distraction toybox as needed?
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November 15, 2022 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When it happens, find out what they are hiding.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:20pm
Maggie Pie

Can we believe ANYTHING coming out of Chynah? 🙁

‘TESLA loses control while parking and speeds thru streets, killing 2 and injuring many others’

https://mol.im/a/11423865

My partner reckons the whole thing was staged to make Elon look bad.
They don’t want him being the gatekeeper of free-speech.
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November 15, 2022 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Brakes not engaged. That means he hit the wrong pedal.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Forgot. Maybe suicidal. Happened to my brother in Wellywood.
    Suicidal mental health woman raced down the hill and took out 4 cars. Very nearly killed about 8 people. That’s all. She has name suppression.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:27pm
Warren

How can Stuff one of the Government’s echo chambers have any credibility on Supporting Unions and the Countries need to increase Wages when they get Headlines like this.
Strike action possible as Stuff and Unions grapple over pay negotiations.
A group of Stuff Journalists are threatening Strike Action if the Company does not reach a agreement with the Unions Representatives over pay the Herald understands.
While this is under pay wave the headlines speak of the problem .
“Strike action possible as Stuff and union grapple over pay – NZ Herald” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/strike-action-possible-as-stuff-and-union-grapple-over-pay/HCON5WCODVFHZN4KRRGGAWXKQI/
What hypocrites Stuffs senior Management is when they expect others to be giving wage increases and critique others for their views on how it could effect their business, but wants to play hardball with their own staff.
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November 15, 2022 9:37am
- Blog-aholic
  
  IMO this is the beginning of the end of Stuff.
  
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  November 15, 2022 9:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    Who cares?
    If they go down the tubes, they did it to themselves.
    They had a golden opportunity to be a completely different rag to the Herald by questioning Govt decisions and ministers and ensuring their publication only contained facts, truth, and objectivity.
    Instead, they chose the Pot-of-Gold which was a corrupt Govt’s handout for only publishing anything that was favourable to a corrupt Govt.
    As Ye sow, so shall Ye also reap.
    
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    November 15, 2022 12:28pm
    - cmm
      
      “If they go down the tubes…”
      
      Nope, Cindy will keep them alive.
      
      If they go broke they will be even more dependent on the handouts and will become more Pravda-like than they are now.
      
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      November 15, 2022 1:21pm
- Biscuit
  
  Warren, I dunno why Stuff doesn’t try to increase its revenue base by, oh, I dunno, assailing every eyeball its site attracts with a ‘Do you want to contribute to our propaganda’ pop-up ad or 69…
  
  Oh, wait…
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:04pm
- Joely Doe
  
  It’s not true; it is all misinformation, put about by the Right Wingers toilet paper – The Herald.
  
  If it was true, it would be in $1uff. $1uff are the arbiters of Truth; they tell us so.
  It is not Truth until $1uff prints it.
  
  Not a mention.
  Nada.
  Zilch.
  Zip.
  
  Really. If a $1uffed reporter failed to print a story, would anyone notice?
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:08pm
- Ghost
  
  Good luck with your strike, I hope it is a long one. monkeys could write better articles than the tabloid gutter crap that comes from these so called journalists.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does anyone remember “There will be no strikes on my watch”
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:28pm
Yvette

Corrections
Ardern replaced her police minister in June in what was widely seen as a response to disquiet over crime. Although her government has offered vulnerable shopkeepers financial aid to install anti-ram raid bollards, reinforced doors, alarms, and fog cannon, perceptions that her wokeness may encourage offenders have taken root — even among criminologists.

High levels of truancy allied to the young age of many of the raiders, emboldened by the knowledge that youth sentencing laws provided mild consequences, have led to widespread perception that Ardern is soft on crime.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0def249a-6365-11ed-9ccc-9d160947f622?shareToken=385b38d8360be8b1be1f6d643bbbd03a

Yeah – nah? – Maddona
Then consider carefully the current tv ad campaign to recruit Corrections staff –
Corrections officers care more than bankers?
Do the ads reflect more care for prisoners, or Labour’s attitude to prison?
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November 15, 2022 9:41am
- Yabster
  
  that ad is dreadful- poor bloody prisoners- who gives a crap about victims….
  
  Who turns up to a bbq in a work uniform and why does the guy ask him what he does- fairly flipping obvious….
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:00pm
cmm

Look at how terrible climate change is: it created one of the Seven Natural Wonders Of The World!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130471414/origins-of-great-barrier-reef-lie-in-rising-seas-triggered-by-climate-change
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November 15, 2022 10:06am
- Jack5
  
  Watched Jackie Tame of TVNZ interviewing, first, Greens’ Climate Change Minister Shaw, then to a National Three Waters spokesman, Simon Watt.
  
  Talking to Shaw, Tame was almost obsequious. Talking to Watt he was aggressive and challenging.
  
  Why do we need State-owned TV?
  
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  November 15, 2022 10:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    We don’t!
    We sell it.
    
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    November 15, 2022 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Have not heard about the coral for a while.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:31pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Possibly due to these inconvenient facts
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/04/great-barrier-reef-areas-show-highest-coral-cover-seen-in-36-years.html
    
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    November 15, 2022 2:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/elite-maori-want-complete-control-of-new-zealand/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Michael-Bassett-NANAIA-JACINDA-AND-THE-TRIBAL-TAKEOVER.pdf
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November 15, 2022 10:20am
Jack5

America is developing technology to tap geothermal energy far, far below that harnessed now.

Quaise Energy hopes to drill 12 miles (19.3km) deep, which compares with the deepest man-made hole on Earth, the 7.5 miles (12kmd) deep Kola Super Deep bore in Russia.

Quaise Energy is a spin-off from MIT (the real one, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology)

Quaise plans within six years to have a coal plant refurbished and, using geothermal heat, producing 300 megawatts of electricity. The Wall Street Journal says it estimates this will cost about half a billion (US) dollars (about $NZ820 million at current rates).

Another resource for Maori to claim! Why not? They’ve won part of the radio wave spectrum above. There are riches below.

Perhaps economic hope, too, for Rotorua as a whole, now that Labour has all but wrecked it as a tourist holiday spot.
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November 15, 2022 10:46am
- Inandout
  
  Jack, I believe the warmth down there is inexhaustable because the earth’s core is continually replenishing the heat. But in Godszone to dig such a hole would require years of consultation with local iwi, climate jocks and greenists.
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:08am
  - David Garrett
    
    Inand: There are a good number of such holes already; failed wildcat oil wells.
    
    The last well I ever worked on is one such, Rere-1, north west of Gisborne. When we were drilling it, the drilling mud at surface was far too hot to put one’s hand into. I believe the bottom hole temperature was close to 120 C (the mud would of course be boiling at that depth, but lose heat on its way to the surface).
    
    I believe there have been a number of proposals to utilise the free heat of Rere and other failed oil wells, drilled at great expense. Rere was funded by the taxpayer.
    
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    November 15, 2022 1:06pm
    - plc
      
      I was one of the Petrocorp geologists on that well.
      
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      November 15, 2022 1:32pm
- cmm
  
  300MW is a tiny piddling amount. But as a trial for a new tech it could be good if it can be scaled up to 5 to 10x that power.
  
  The hassle with some of these heat wells is ensuring the heat keeps flowing in. Heat can only flow through the rock at a specific rate once the heat adjacent to the hole is removed it takes time to heat up. Therefore while the heat itself might be as close to infinite as you can get, the rate at which you can extract it is limited.
  
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  November 15, 2022 1:19pm
Raphael

Stuff is continuing their attack on Bethlehem College (and Christian beliefs in general) with the same reporter, who was pinged by the Media Council for not actually checking any facts in their last attack, writing a hit piece about one of the school counsellors, currently on maternity leave, for an opinion expressed on her personal Facebook page.
They also try to do a hit on Abigail Shrier in the article (whose book is extremely well-researched)
https://www.facebook.com/bobmccoskrieblog/posts/pfbid0nNuPN6HxVpiNycrQSvVMuM5bXhCNgu525NchQz4Fqnb4hKSAqwExQA3d8hJ5Zxb8l

Nice to know that Stuff fully supports the grooming of minors by the Trans movement.

Full disclosure: my children attend Bethlehem College.
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November 15, 2022 10:49am
- Phronesis
  
  Just identify as muslim and the media won’t go near it.
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:09am
- Don Beckett
  
  So do two of my grand-children. 🙂
  (attend Bethlehem College)
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:15am
Maggie Pie

Just spent the last half-hour on my Grinder Skyline and listening to Air New Zealand’s CEO talking with Kerry Woodham.

According to him, the reason they did away with Premium & Business Class on internal flights….”was because of the growing ‘egalitarian-nature’ of most New Zealanders”

What a Fwit! No wonder my partner prefers to drive everywhere.

Just saying.
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November 15, 2022 11:08am
- MCōs
  
  There’s no plane to the Wynyard Quarter
  
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  November 15, 2022 3:57pm
surfing

Resource management act (RMA) replacement is being announced today.

My prediction is that this is going to be disastrous, and hand disproportionate power to Maori who are already the biggest block to development in this country. Pay the iwi to authorise your building / construction project.

There will be little to solve existing issues that affect normal people (eg noise and air pollution due to higher density housing).

Labour are just so abysmal expect disaster!
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November 15, 2022 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hand disproportionate to Maori.
  See ‘Stop Co-Governance’ I put the URL somewhere on this post.
  
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  November 15, 2022 12:38pm
- MCōs
  
  Wasn’t National going to sort out the RMA?
  An Act they passed in 1991 and modified in 2009?
  
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  November 15, 2022 1:05pm
- cmm
  
  Parker has announces it is going to save $149M per year.
  
  What’s the catch? It’s far too good to be true.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/planning-and-consenting-bonfire-as-david-parkers-rma-reform-merges-100-plans-into-15-saving-150m-a-year/XF4WGREW3VDDJPB42IWP5MFBQE/
  
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  November 15, 2022 1:12pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    “These plans will be created by each region’s regional planning committee comprised of representatives of local hapu, iwi and Māori, and local government.
    
    There will be a minimum of six members, with a minimum of two Māori members and one chosen by central government. Each territorial authority and regional council can have a member.”
    
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    November 15, 2022 2:01pm
  - kevn
    
    @cmm… Just more convoluted lies. You just know it will be so.
    
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    November 15, 2022 6:11pm
Ghost

One of my brain numbing shows I like to zone out to is I’m a celebrity get me out of. Enjoying watching Matt Hancock on it, and I’m guessing so are the British public. Put up for every challenge. So far he’s had to eat cow penis, cow Anus, sheep vagina. Just wondering if we can ask Australia to put Andrew little in their version.
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November 15, 2022 11:19am
- Don Beckett
  
  Gee – there must be transgender cows. Last time I looked, only bulls had penises – not cows. 😆
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:58am
- Biscuit
  
  I dunno, Ghost..
  
  I am deeply sceptical of the quality – and source – of the ‘prime meat’ that goes into fast food products and I just bet that Matt will have, inadvertantly, tasted each of your examples at a local eaterie at some time in his past…
  
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  November 15, 2022 11:59am
rangitoto

Retreating Russian troops have been famous for stealing washing machines but are now stealing raccoons and llamas.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1696560/russia-ukraine-kherson-zoo-raccoons-llamas-stolen
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November 15, 2022 11:42am
Bridgenag

The world has gone mad….
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November 15, 2022 12:47pm
Maggie Pie

OR, to put it another way….

how to avoid taxes like Bill Gates does and look like a good guy 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1592178858522218497
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November 15, 2022 1:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Opening the door for cheaters. Maracopa. What’s rather ironic is that the current Democrat Party candidate for governor is the Arizona Secretary of State. Katie Hobbs is in charge of handling election problems. No mention of Kari Lake.
https://redrightvideos.com/deja-vu-serious-election-polling-site-problems-in-maricopa-county/
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November 15, 2022 1:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Useless planning in Arizona. Kari Lake explains.
https://patriotnewsfeed.com/kari-lake-lashes-out-at-arizona-election-officials-watch/?seyid=31907
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November 15, 2022 1:50pm
- MCōs
  
  I take it she got beaten and is blaming the ref?
  
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  November 15, 2022 3:47pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not over by a long way. Vote counters are having trouble with over 300,000 votes, and they are being watched. I think some of the vote counting machines are being “serviced” Wonder what servicing means?
    
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    November 15, 2022 4:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Done now. Katie Hobbs? has won. She is also involved with the voting count.
    Trump is out of his tree! and rightly so.
    
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    November 15, 2022 7:21pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I think that there will be a lot of evidence of voter fraud. Maricopa County is always problematic.
      
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      November 15, 2022 7:30pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        From my friends blog in Illinois – a link to, you guessed it………………………
        
        https://www.uncoverdc.com/2022/11/10/maricopa-county-election-judge-speaks-out/
        
        Not voter fraud, surely.
        Crickets
        
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        November 15, 2022 7:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Don. So if someone sees fraud and puts it on social media, they can be sacked?
        That in itself is fraud.
        
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        November 16, 2022 8:52am
Maggie Pie

Headlines that write themselves…

Police have released descriptions of 2 people they would like to speak to following the brutal stabbing of a dog-walker in Bexley…..

The man is described as Maori or Pasifika, 5’8″ tall, short black hair, in his 20’s, wearing a hi-viz vest.

Te woman is described as Maori or Pasifika, solid build, 5’8″ tall, long black hair.
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November 15, 2022 2:11pm
- Yabster
  
  how wacist…
  
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  November 15, 2022 3:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I know what you’re saying Yabbsie….but that’s taken from police.govt.nz website.
    
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    November 15, 2022 3:54pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I heard that also on the radio news and was perplexed because I thought race was never mentioned, especially that one.
  
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  November 15, 2022 4:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Te woman. Good typo.
  
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  November 15, 2022 4:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This came by email from the Taxpayers Union. Seems like xtra (Spark) had an issue with sending to us on the mailing list.

Jordan Williams.
On Friday, we tried to send you our Taxpayer Update, including the latest political poll and Three Waters litigation update, but your Xtra bounced it back.

We have reached out to Xtra (Spark) to figure out what caused it, but in the meantime, to read the update, you can check it out on our website here.

Since sending the e-mail, we have also worked through the Government’s proposed changes to the Three Waters legislation. In short, it makes Three Waters even worse. Copied below are Jordan’s comments to the media on Friday afternoon.

Thanks for your support.

Callum @ Taxpayers’ Union

——————————————————————————–

MEDIA RELEASE
Government gaslighting Kiwis with claim they are “listening” on Three Waters

11 NOVEMBER 2022
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Government gaslighting Kiwis with claim they are “listening” on Three Waters

Nanaia Mahuta is gaslighting the more than 80,000 New Zealanders who took the time and effort to submit on her flawed Three Waters Bill, which will take community-owned water assets from councils and put them into the control of unaccountable and expensive entities.

Mahuta “thank[ed] the committee for its careful consideration of more than 80,000 submissions” and claims that “extensive changes have been proposed” in a statement published on the Beehive website and sent to media.

“The dishonesty of Ms Mahuta knows no bounds” says Taxpayers’ Union co-founder Jordan Williams. “This is gaslighting at its finest.”

“Far from ‘carefully listening’ to submitters, the Government majority on the Committee specifically blocked officials from reading, reviewing, and summarising the 68,661 submissions from our supporters.”

“First they made us print and deliver hard copy submissions – rather than accept by email – then they didn’t even bother to get officials to read or summarise them. The Committee even turned down our offer to use software to pull out unique points submitters made. In what world is that ‘listening’ to the public?”

“The number of submissions ranks this bill among the most submitted on in the history of our Parliament. But the Government majority cut short the time listening to submitters – travelling the country for just five days. As I told the Committee – it is pathetic that we can do better, getting out on the road for more than a month on a roadshow tour to listen to New Zealander’s concerns.”

“Ms Mahuta also claims that ‘extensive changes have been proposed’. What nonsense. Rather than promote democratic accountability, the proposed changes actually double down. Te Mana o te Wai and Te Mana o te Wai statements will be even more powerful and tie the hands of the half of the ‘Regional Representative Groups’ who are accountable to elected councils. The Government has ‘listened’ to councils, so more council representatives can sit on the ‘Regional Representative Groups’ – but the 50/50 requirement for unaccountable iwi appointments remains the same.”

“One of the changes is for councils to have annual ‘shareholder meetings’. That in and of itself is dishonest misrepresentation – councils still won’t have any rights of ‘shareholders’ or ownership. There will be absolutely nothing to talk about, and certainly no control exercised.”

“We are glad to see the Green Party’s minority report making many of the same points as the Taxpayers’ Union. They say the councils should have the equivalent level of control to a council-controlled organisation, akin to WaterCare, and the C4LD proposal supported by the Taxpayers’ Union.”

“Ultimately, Three Waters will cost ratepayers with higher water costs, more bureaucracy, no local control, and less democracy. It needs to be stopped.”

ENDS
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November 15, 2022 4:30pm
- cmm
  
  Bottom line is there is more bureaucracy and more taniwha food, therefore it has to cost more.
  
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  November 15, 2022 4:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yup. We know what Taniwha eat, and it isn’t people
    
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    November 15, 2022 5:01pm
Maggie Pie

From my…. “YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS SH*T FILE”

Air NZ has taken delivery of it’s first A321 neo.
Thirty seven rows, 217 economy-class passengers…..and only 3 toilets!

LOL
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November 15, 2022 4:47pm
- MCōs
  
  I thought you drove everywhere
  
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  November 15, 2022 5:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you not read anything, silly? I said my partner does.
    
    And no wonder….we’ve got twice as many toilets than that at home!!
    
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    November 15, 2022 5:40pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I rarely fly for more than 4 hours but have observed frequent boozers continually waiting at the bogs. I try and get seats well away from the toilets because of the line and the obvious discomfort of those in waiting.
  
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  November 15, 2022 6:10pm
Ghost

Laughing. David Parker on ZB saying the new RMA is not cogovernance. Asked what it is called then he replied it is participation by Maori………
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November 15, 2022 5:13pm
MCōs

In 2014 General Prayuth led a coup that overthrew the elected government and he installed himself as PM, which he still is by way of a new, favourable constitution.
The coup pissed a lot of people off and to placate the masses the junta bought the rights to show the 2014 FIFA World Cup. (The broadcasts didn’t come with graphics so no scores were displayed)
In 2018 they repeated the sweetener and this year promised to do the same again, until the bill came in. (There’s an election imminent)
Price $NZ73mil for a few games of football not involving Thailand.
For the money the viewers get pictures and crowd noise with a couple of Thais sitting in a studio in Bangkok telling you what you’re watching, in Thai.
That’s what happens when one starts a precedent.
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November 15, 2022 5:28pm
CAKE FACE1

The CAKE theory of politics is that there more socialist the government:

(a) the more bureaucrats you get, and
(b) the more beneficiaries you get.

This results in a doom loop, as the alliance of bureaucrats and beneficiaries vote for ever increasing socialism.

The result is we become New Venezuela or New Zimbabwe.

The socialists need to be stopped at the next election, or all is lost…
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November 15, 2022 6:00pm
Ghost

Both National and ACT are warning the Government’s proposed resource management reform risks creating a system “worse than what we have now”.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/resource-management-government-s-proposed-changes-to-rma-get-poor-reception-from-opposition.html
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November 15, 2022 6:16pm
Inandout

This is disgusting and there should be immediate arrests.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11427263/EXCLUSIVE-Caught-radio-British-Border-Force-vessels-French-Navy-ships-collude-Channel.html#comments
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November 15, 2022 6:19pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

Any body else like me that thinks the Chasers get to read all the questions in advance?
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