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krazykiwi

That SARS-CoV-2 was created in a lab is now beyond reasonable doubt. For me the clincher was the discovery published earlier this year showing that the SARS-CoV-2 virus includes a genetic sequence that was patented by Moderna in 2018, with a likelihood of 0.000000000032 of this same sequence randomly appearing in some genome of zoonotic origin.

I mention this because as we look at the evidence of burgeoning excess deaths across the globe, it becomes more important to identify the parasites who we should hold to account. I posit that they fall into three broad groupings: –

1. Genetic engineers who collaborate with funders (Fauci, Gates, DARPA et al) and pharma to produce an ‘enhanced’ virus … that kills people.

2. Politicians, modelers, hand-picked ‘experts’ who terrify and bully populations into accepting non-pharmaceutical interventions (lockdowns, deferred medical treatments) … that kill people.

3. Pharma, politicians and medical authorities who abandoned cornerstones of public health (do no harm, informed consent, regulatory due diligence) to force populations to accept experimental genetic injectables … that kill people.

A special mention too for technocrats and their controllers who suppress narrative-busting truth (by search blocking, cancelling, de-monetising), and who use their reach to fire-hose propaganda into the minds of the proletariat.

The common theme here – beyond lots of dead people – is that authorities we once trusted have utterly betrayed that trust by delivering harm rather than sanctuary. Whether you blame Covid-19, lockdowns or ‘vaccines’ humans are now dying at an unprecedented rate as a consequence of one or all of these deliberately synthesised blights.

I invite you to look at the excess deaths statistics compiled by Joel Smalley of Dead Man Walking, or just look at the excess deaths charts from South Africa, Germany, USA, Sweden, Australia, South Korea. Notice anything? This pattern is repeating as more datasets become available for analysis.

You might respond that correlation is not causation which is fair enough, but after looking at those charts the strength of correlation across heterogeneous populations and seasons should invert your logic: Authorities must be challenged to prove that there is nothing to see here, that these are spurious correlations. Yeah, I’m not holding my breath either.

My new starting point for any pronouncement from any representative of these parasite classes is to assume that all recommended/coerced actions are ultimately harmful to me and to those I love, until such time as I can prove otherwise. They have lost the previously assumed right for argumentum ab auctoritate – argument from authority. Roll on Nuremberg 2.0.
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November 11, 2022 8:02am
- kevn
  
  @kk… The UK Commission for Covid is pondering whether to make a commemorative coin, memorials and reflective spaces.
  Following an amnesty maybe?
  Peak stupid?
  Smoke screening more likely.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Watch out for “Let’s Do This”
    
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    November 11, 2022 8:52am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes Indeed, However just as culpable is Big Tech and Social Media as well.
  Trying to shutdown any consent by total collusion between the Big Tech companies.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:46am
- kowtow
  
  The media played a huge role too.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:53am
  - Zero Kindness
    
    Agree kowtow & MM – the 90% project means the MSM in has to be accountable in any analysis of this debacle in NZ.
    
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    November 11, 2022 10:45am
- dubya
  
  Hah. Good luck. Whilst the government deserve the Nuremburg Trials, we will just get the Nuremburg Rallies.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What’s the point, with Labour they will simply mark their own homework
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:02am
    - Paulus
      
      Like the 5 year Reserve Bank Report yesterday – done by the Senior staff – called Independent.
      
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      November 11, 2022 1:27pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  I say this emphasis on a persons Maori culture is a nonsense. If a person has even 10% Maori and 90% European ancestry then their predominate ancestry and therefore culture is European not Maori.
  This placing emphasis on the minority ancestry is an affectation nothing more. Just like those who include their Tribes after their names. Per affectation.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Still 1/512 can get you on the Maori Role according to Winston.
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:28pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Dunno that you even need that. Find one (part) Maori ancestor and bingo you have a whakapapa and you are away laughing. For one of our family members, one of her grannie’s grandad was “maori”. That’s 6 generations back – about 150 years. A great-great-great grandfather. There would have been 32 of them if his wahine was maori or what his % maori for that ancestor ……
      
      Go figure
      
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      November 11, 2022 3:38pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The system allows for this.
    Change the Govt, change the system!!
    NB: There’s heaps of free money available if one can claim to have Maori Ancestory. I think Winston Peters said recently “if you can claim 1/124th of Maori blood, you can claim to be Maori”.
    IMO, there’s no way possible that such claims can be verified so why doesn’t this Govt come clean and say one of two things:
    
    1. There are no Maori remaining in NZ, or
    2. Anyone can claim to be Maori if they wish to.
    
    My pick is that (1) is not a choice this Govt will exercise and (2) is one they will probably make when they are once again in opposition knowing full well that they fucked up their racist policies when in Govt.
    
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    November 11, 2022 3:21pm
- Simon
  
  Q for those who jaxxed up. If they got Bozo the Clown to front the jaxx roll out would you still have got the jab?
  
  Why would you answer be any different when it was Ardern fronting it?
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:03am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    Simon many would have because we have been conditioned to expect a vaccine to be the saviour, how many people watched Contagen and thought we were living it.
    Many who took this reluctantly only did so to keep jobs but it is the teenagers I really feel for. They were forced into it by a PM who is a true believer in anything the WEF advises.
    My only hope is the PM lives long enough to be able to see what she has done long term and has to live with the consequences.
    
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    November 11, 2022 12:51pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Good stuff. Not trying to take the piss – a genuine question.
  
  What should happen now? Is any other country doing anything about it?
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:04am
  - krazykiwi
    
    You and I have had civil convo’s in the past, Ian. I never assume you’re taking the piss 🙂 In terms of what should happen next, I’d suggest:-
    
    1. Contrition and apologies from leaders. Any talk of socially-extended amnesty is vacuous without acknowledgement of fault.
    
    2. Strengthened civil liberties legislation, to prevent the devastating consequences of authoritarianism – lock-downs, vaccine mandates etc
    
    3. Regulatory agencies such as the FDA, CDC, NIH , EMA must be burnt to the ground, and their original roles reestablished in a way that makes illegal any funding from the pharma or related industry
    
    4. New international convention to limit genetic engineering of pathogens, making funding public, and all programs only continuing subject to regulatory confidence.
    
    5. Life without parole for public figures who knowingly lied about the safety and efficacy of the so-called vaccines.
    
    6. And end to WHO dictating sovereign health policy.
    
    7. What should definitely not happen, but sadly has already started (c.f. UK), are whitewash self reviews.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:21am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Wow. Good luck with that.
      
      A chance for us to lead the world …..
      
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      November 11, 2022 1:19pm
- Master Mariner
  
  KK”I invite you to look at the excess deaths statistics compiled by Joel Smalley of Dead Man Walking, or just look at the excess deaths charts from South Africa, Germany, USA, Sweden, Australia, South Korea. Notice anything? This pattern is repeating as more datasets become available for analysis.”
  
  In my mind , What let the cat out of the bag was the Insurers. They appeared to be the first to acknowledge extra deaths.
  Why ?, Because they deal in “actual” facts.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yes. In Feb this year BKK ProVita chairman Andreas Schöfbeck caused a small uproar by writing to Germany’s vaccine regulator, the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut, to inquire about the high rate of vaccine side-effects evident from BKK billing data. He was fired several days later.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:37am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Today is the 104th anniversary of Armistice Day. On that day my Grandfather was resting in Eastern France with the Canterbury Regiment preparing for the long march to the Rhine that commenced on 28 November. He had survived Passchendaele and the Somme over the previous 4 years although he had suffered being gassed with mustard gas that affected him for the rest of his life. He died in 1950 a year before I was born at the age of 70 my current age.
  I consider myself very lucky that not only did he survive but my Dad survived 4 years in North Africa and Italy in WW2. I have both my Grandfather and my Dads war records and the books about the units they both served in.
  We will remember them.
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:12am
  - David Garrett
    
    Lastman: You are very fortunate to have two generations of forebears who answered the call to arms.
    
    Possibly the only “good” thing you can say about WW II is that they didn’t use gas, which both sides had in plentiful quantities. Churchill apparently seriously considered using it, but was dissuaded from doing so.
    
    Thanks for your comment.
    
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    November 11, 2022 10:35am
    - Dave
      
      ‘[T]hey didn’t use gas’ isn’t quite so true from a Jewish perspective.
      
      I suppose, looking desperately for a silver lining here, you could also say that WW2 cured Germany of its desire to dominate Europe by military means.
      
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      November 11, 2022 11:17am
      - kowtow
        
        But WWI helped create the Boshevik Empire , which militarily dominated eastern and central Europe from ’45 till ’89 and the latest iteration of which has this year invaded Ukraine .( with a real threat of nuclear annihilation for all of us) .
        
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        November 11, 2022 12:42pm
  - Paulus
    
    My Father was still at sea in the Atlantic and the weather was atrocious he said.
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:36pm
- cmm
  
  KK I would refine that a bit.
  
  That it escaped from a lab is beyond reasonable doubt.
  That it was being worked on in a lab is beyond reasonable doubt.
  But “created”??? I suppose it depends on what you mean by “created”.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:38am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sure. By “created” I’m meaning DNA-level tinkering via splicing, or eliminating specific genes through recombinant DNA techniques etc.
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:07pm
    - david
      
      Too right, you will know it when you see it.
      
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      November 11, 2022 4:47pm
- Jim
  
  I’m sure the NZ media are preparing a big expose of the excess deaths situation in NZ, tick tick tick. Perhaps Fire and Fury took all the budget.
  
  In the mean time simply repeat over and over: “A strong health response is a strong economic response”
  
  Nothing to see here as the NZ’s benevolent Government saved 80,000 lives, now move on …….back to Crazy Putin, Mega MAGA Trump, Nuclear War, Covid 2.0 is coming etc
  
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  November 12, 2022 6:42am
Yvette

Student nurses at breaking point with unpaid placements
Third-year AUT students say they are under immense stress juggling 40-hour-a-week unpaid clinical placements alongside full-time study with no payment or compensation for expenses like petrol or hospital parking.
It comes as the nation faces a desperate shortage of health professionals, and the government embarks on a raft of measures to bring more nurses and doctors into the country.
“My honest advice to anyone that was going to embark on a nursing degree would be: F*** no, stay away from it – don’t even consider it,” one said.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/11/student-nurses-at-breaking-point-with-unpaid-placements/

As someone who does watch SHORTLAND STREET (probably some simple schadenfreude attraction and loss of left brain cells), I do wonder how Madonna’s appeal to potential nurses on behalf of Andrew Little, actually worked for him – and the sad femme fatale soap-opera becomes reality for them?
His ads were the saddest aspect there for a couple of weeks –
How long will it last for any who believed the fantasy?

Actually I may not wish to be nursed by a SHORTLAND STREET devotee – a believer, or now, an unbeliever!
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November 11, 2022 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Short of Talent Street.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:54am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Unpaid 40hr working week. so Labour is engaging in a modern-day slave labour environment perhaps?
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s ok when Labour does it.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:57am
  - GJM
    
    Not the first time. Remember the unpaid interns the Labour Party brought in, then denied and tried to cover up?
    It stunk so badly even Red Radio and Stuff had to report on it.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93955534/labour-party-brings-in-unpaid-overseas-students
    
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    November 11, 2022 2:19pm
Warren

How can the Country trust Carmel Sepuloni the the Minister for Social Welfare and Labour when the truth is coming out that they paid to have people on a benifit move to Rotorua and motels to live .
“Government ‘may have’ paid to move people to Rotorua motels” https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/10/government-may-have-paid-to-move-people-to-rotorua-motels/
It sounds like we have more lies from our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her MP’S when it has been denied many times before.
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November 11, 2022 8:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Every time she opens her mouth Warren.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:04am
- Master Mariner
  
  I mean seriously, How hard is it for a reporter to actually ask how they got there ?
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Tania Tapsell has already pointed this rotten crime out. She said it publicly, followed by Ardern saying it was not do, they only come from the area and family roots.
  
  Like the open southern border in the states, it’s designed by rotten UN to lift Dem voters for future elections, its rather ironic they were doing this in Rotarua, I suggest the same has been happening in Napier snd Tauranga to lift their chances in elections
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:07am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Surprised Labour has renamed Rotorua as Geyser Ghetto by now.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:46am
herb1

The co governance “ debate” started by Labour has the dangerous likelihood of splitting the country .
There is a way around this though ,which will give everyone a win.
Labour, should they genuinely believe in co governance , can simply make Maori DNA, a requirement for standing for their party,in a central or local Government seat.
This way the supporters of co governance, can simply vote Labour , and with the Greens and Maori Party, they would have co governance.
If the majority are against co governance, they simply vote for other parties.
The majority will win, as is fair, and the concept of democracy, that our ancestors have given their lives for, one person one vote,will be maintained.
How could Jacinda be against this?
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November 11, 2022 8:12am
- pdm
  
  `How could Jacinda be against this?’
  
  It seems to make sense so Jacinda will probably not understand it.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Co-Governance is a Coup. The Moari elite will control NZ if they are not stopped.
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why should Labour be open and transparent about their desire for co-governance when they can bring it in to local and central government under the guise of equity?
  
  She has already made it obvious in various forums, including Parliament, that in her view democracy no longer means “one person, one vote of equal value”. And thanks to her government’s legislation such as the Canterbury Regional Council (Ngāi Tahu Representation) Act — which guarantees unelected iwi representatives two seats on the council with full decision-making rights — she has made that corruption of democracy a reality.
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-ardern-enters-the-tragi-comic-phase-of-her-tenure
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:03am
- Zero Kindness
  
  Should that “Maori DNA” have to pass a threshold percentage? Say 50%?
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:53am
  - herb1
    
    No as Labour need to live by the mantra” live by the sword ,die by the sword”
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:27am
westernScientist

Generally I dont really watch Russel Brand, I find his insistence on a global cabal controlling the world a little tiresome. Here is his bit on the NZ greenhouse gas emissions though which especially with his style of delivery really puts the ridiculousness of it all into perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cW-F2IG-J0
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November 11, 2022 8:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Are you referring to the WEF, WHO, UN etc who are funded by billionaires and who are placing their pet politicians in high political and other office around the world undermining true democracy?
  You find this “tiresome”? It’s a global coup destroying our way of life in front of your eyes. Why do you find that “tiresome”?
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:06am
  - Zero Kindness
    
    Globalism and (true) democracy can not co-exist.
    We should not have our country ruled by unelected foreign groups who are influenced/controlled by billionaires.
    Will be hard to turn this cruise liner around unfortunately.
    
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    November 11, 2022 10:49am
  - westernScientist
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy
    
    It is a bunch of individuals operating in their own self interest. Main stream social media is a prime example of this. They ban the right and not the left not because they are right or left, but because they loose revenue from the left if they dont ban the right. On the other hand, if they ban the left there is no increase in revenue because the right still believe in free speech and civil discourse and dont actually want the left band.
    
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    November 11, 2022 2:09pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Cabal suggests very organised so probably unlikely.
  However its clear that many groups and individuals have interests which are aligned so they cooperate.
  Look at the Climate scam. How many Trillion a year industry is it?
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:10am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Exactly, it doesn’t mean a smoky room with sinister actors with white cats and cigars. But it’s patently clear that unelected influencers are undermining the democratic processes everywhere and are doing so flagrantly. Seriously, wtf is the WEF doing training politicians and demanding scorched earth policies when nobody has every asked them for their opinion? The Davos elite who clog air space for days with their private jets, lecturing us to eat insects and get rid of our vehicles? Who are these people?
    Same with the UN. It is a body that maybe once had a purpose, but it is now, like the WHO, a clearly compromised organisation being used to destroy whatever is left of the democracy many of our predecessors fought and died for.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:40am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Western, I was never a fan of Brand, but have watched a good few of his podcasts. He is a very clever guy, and engages with people from all ideologies. He’s respectful, listens and allows them to present their arguments. He then responds in usually a measured, intelligent way. He’s not so bent he can’t accept rational and factual arguments.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:32am
  - westernScientist
    
    I dont disagree, I do watch them occasionally – when there is a topic of interest. I find his interviews generally a lot better than the monologues for the the reasons you mention.
    
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    November 11, 2022 2:11pm
- Master Mariner
  
  For those who Think Russell brand is a bit over the top in his delivery,
  
  I’d suggest you watch this,
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhez3is_rfs
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:16am
- Lance
  
  Bloody hell!
  Russell Brand thinks Cindy’s govt are idiots and only making things worse with ill-considered virtual signaling.
  The man hits the nail on the head on this one.
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does Andrew Little know nuffin’ or was he telling fibs in Parliament yesterday?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00092/health-minister-caught-out-on-immigration-settings.htm
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November 11, 2022 8:14am
- G152
  
  Littles biggest achievement lies with his disregard for truth
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:17am
  - Prince
    
    Speaking of his ‘biggest achievement’, has anything come from the shroud-waving he regularly conducts at Pike River.
    Always ‘evidence about to be found…’, ‘photos to be studied…’, ‘equipment removed possible leading to charges laid…’.
    But months, years later, nothing apart from the periodic media coverage of Andy’s pet project with breaking news about what he’s ‘gunna’ do.
    The media never seem to follow up asking what happened to the previous promises.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    On Tuesday he was reprimanded by speaker for vulgar name calling in written replies to questions, he was told it’s not the first time, and stated a huge lift to Nat questions if he is shown this vulgarity again, Angry Andy hiding behind Mallards backside till now.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:14am
- pdm
  
  Maggy – every time I have heard Little interviewed re his Health Portfolio it has been pretty obvious that he knows 7/8ths of stuff all about what is happening.
  
  Well apart from the Maorification anyway.
  
  Hard to tell if he is lying though – because if you have no idea what is happening how can you lie about it?
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:19am
  - double d
    
    It reminds me of the old saying – how do you know Andrew Little is lying – you see his lips move.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:00am
- RockyJ
  
  There are three reasons why we are suffering from a lack of skilled immigrants.
  1. Government thinking is that a shortage of staff will force up wages. It may, but it will kill businesses and force up inflation.
  2. The Maori caucus, who run Jacinda, hate immigration because it increases the pakeha/Maori ratio
  3. The word is getting out around the world that New Zealand is not that flash.
  Andrew Little knows this. He is lying.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:34am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    “2. The Maori caucus, who run Jacinda, hate immigration because it increases the pakeha/Maori ratio”
    That will explain Mahuta’s less than warm welcome to India’s external affairs minister recently.
    
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    November 11, 2022 12:02pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The Immigration Department needs to be cleaned out after the election. It has become the mechanism by which the Labour Government, at the behest of it’s union backers, has turned the country into a unionised closed shop to drive up wages.
  
  We need to look at the appointments to that department since 2017.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All Govt Departments need cleaning out. They are full of layabouts not able to actually work.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:21am
- CJames
  
  Maggy – I think you left off the sarc tag. Andrew Little is both. He doesn’t know anything and he lies.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is Andrew Little the Politician who had his own Mother vote against him?
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:23am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yep, and every time he stood in New Plymouth the majority for the National guy doubled. He’s a grumpy, arrogant unionist waste of space.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:52am
- Keith White
  
  I suggest it’s a case of the power of “and” for the Angry One.
  
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  November 11, 2022 5:01pm
Souvlaki

Muriel Newman again making excellent, if depressing points about Tuku Morgan /3 Waters et al .
https://www.nzcpr.com/co-governing-local-government/
Can someone in National please enlighten me as to why they seem so ‘ chilled’ with this overt affront to democracy.? Is it deliberate strategy to let ACT do the thinking/ heavy lifting?
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November 11, 2022 8:15am
- surfing
  
  The media paint anyone against maori demands as being a racist. Judith Collins was treated appallingly by the media.
  
  Chris Luxon is aware of this, and I think he simply has difficulty trying to navigate the line between being called a racist and standing up to maori demands. The word racist, used enough times starts to stick, similarly to how repeat advertising is effective.
  
  The maori juggernaut, supported by media and weak politicians is unstoppable. Co-governance in everything is coming . Just pray that your neighbourhood maori tribe are not the tribal types.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:23am
  - Im Right
    
    @ Surfing
    My house, as per council description, states ‘not on maori land’
    Wonder how many out there have their house on maori land as stated by local council? and as such in the future perhaps an ‘extra’ payment due or local IWI consulted before a sale is negotiated?
    Perhaps 2-3yrs ago the above queries were pure fantasy and ‘racist’….now, with Labour being run by the maori faction, perhaps not such a fantasy!
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:04am
  - David Garrett
    
    As I have said here before, I have absolutely no confidence in Luxon standing up either to the Maorification juggernaut in general, or the treaty gravy train in particular. He is a load of damp to wet washing.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:06am
    - peterwn
      
      If he takes a hard right wing line on this and other things he could very well lose votes in aggregate. Softee Softee Catchee Monkey.
      
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      November 11, 2022 10:55am
- RockyJ
  
  Ardern says “I don’t govern by polls…I govern by the needs of the people”
  
  A common response from the left when their popularity plummets is to label centre-right politicians as practising “populist” politics. In other words populist is equivalent in meaning to pandering to the worst elements of bigotry, red neckism, or the base motivations of the self interested.
  
  To me populist is merely the will of the informed majority. It is the essence of democracy. Jacinda is in for a shock.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:23am
  - Taieri
    
    I govern by the needs of the people
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    Because only I know what’s the best for the people…
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Next Election she will find out ‘the needs of the people’
    That is when the thermonuclear meltdown will happen. Fun to watch, but not pretty at all.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:27am
- Tricati
  
  My understanding is the select committee hearings finished this week, if so, National should be going all out on Ardern. First question should be, how come you are leasing space and employing staff when there is currently no legislation to support it.
  If Labour think its a done deal, then make Ardern state that, and how does she think that is democratic. The water safety/rate increase arguments are a red herring for the true agenda – that being Maori governance of water.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That being Moari governance of ̶w̶a̶t̶e̶r̶ New Zealand.
    Fixed it for you.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The select committee is due to report back any day now. My guess is that there will be two reports; the one from government MP’s affirming the legislation with only cosmetic changes, and a minority report from opposition members of the select committee in which they cover a slew of changes proposed, but voted down.
    
    It appears that the PM has decided Three Waters is die-in-a-ditch legislation, which makes you wonder just what hold Labour’s Maori caucus have over her.
    
    National has promised to repeal and replace the Three Waters legislation, leaving infrastructure in local control. I’m sure National will attempt to move amendments during the Committee Stage of the Bill, which may give a steer on what National’s “replace” proposal will look like.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:19am
- Observer of Life
  
  Souv: And here comes G in Dunners to defend them in 1..2..3…….
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:28am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shane-jones-labouring-on-with-salami-policies/7RBJT5MJNVFXZOCP34YGNEMCHY/

Shane Jones criticising labour for their salami politics?

That is rich. Shane Jones, commander in chief of the billion dollar provincial handout fund. He pranced up and down New Zealand leading the mayors like he was the pied piper, throwing lollies like santa could only dream! Chief salami!

I feel Shane Jones could work better in the Act party, not that they’d have him.
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November 11, 2022 8:16am
- Tricati
  
  I think both Peters and Jones know Labour are toast and they are pissed at being lied to when in government. This utu will be worth the price of the pop corn, especially as Jones has a way of articulating the attack with accuracy.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:07am
- David Garrett
  
  You paid money to read an opinion piece by the colossal windbag Shane Jones?
  
  Not worth 9 cents let alone $1.99
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:09am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Agree, Jones is very high on my list of people I don’t want in parliament. Corrupt narcissist.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:54am
    - kowtow
      
      This was the guy who wanted to charge us for his porno . And was the front man for H C’s shower heads , which was possibly the coup de grace for Labour that time ’round.
      
      Astounds me that any one has any time for the blow hard at all.
      
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      November 11, 2022 10:46am
Yvette

We lost as Aucklanders are racist!!
The Spinoff reports:
In his first public appearance since losing the Auckland mayoral election to Wayne Brown, Efeso Collins has spoken about the campaign and the uphill battle created by a swathe of racism in the electorate – as identified in research that he commissioned.
– Kiwiblog Host, David Farrar 7am

I wonder if Jacinda will note this and reconsider “3 Waters” – before it sinks her
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November 11, 2022 8:16am
Maggie Pie

Found this fascinating….

According to TRANSPOWER, we are currently at 98% renewable-electricity generation!

https://transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
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November 11, 2022 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s big money in water…
  
  How long before 3 Waters becomes 4 waters (incl. Power generation)?
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:22am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Although according to the data…. ‘Liquid’ is at 0 MW.
    
    Unless I’m missing something?
    
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    November 11, 2022 8:27am
    - fisho
      
      Maggie – ‘liquid’ is the soft description they use for diesel powered generation, so it doesn’t upset the greenies quite so much.
      
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      November 11, 2022 8:31am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      I’m guessing that “liquid” means diesel generators. Where does photoelectric (solar) fit?
      
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      November 11, 2022 8:36am
      - alloytoo
        
        Guess they ran out of Diesel….
        
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        November 11, 2022 9:05am
    - CJames
      
      Thats diesel
      
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      November 11, 2022 8:41am
  - Paulus
    
    By control of all water you have control of Power Generation.
    Remember that Ngai Tahu have control of the 3 Waters division which includes all the South Island and thereby all the Power Generation for most of the whole Country.
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:55pm
- peterwn
  
  This was a snapshot at 8am rather than a permanent feature. Would be plenty of inflow into the hydro lakes at present, Enough wind for wind turbines to operate. Huntly not running and most gas turbines not running. Warmer weather so early morning demand down. So not surprising generation is 98% renewable. Compared with some months ago when three Huntly Rankine (ie coal fired steam turbines) running flat out (the fourth machine is out of action and a source of spare parts as I understand it).
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Many shipments of Indonesian Coal still being landed and railed to Huntly from Tauranga.
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:56pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I remember the days when the Greens protested against building hydro capability.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:43am
  - peterwn
    
    They still do. Meridian promoted Project Aqua a hydro electric and irrigation scheme for the Lower Waitaki. They dropped it when they assessed opposition was sufficiently high as to make consent applications unlikely to succeed.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:01am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Maggie, shorting the S & P 500, as you mentioned yesterday?
  Not so good.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That was Tuesdy silly 😀
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our erratic Prime Minister

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-ardern-enters-the-tragi-comic-phase-of-her-tenure

Ardern will be remembered as a Prime Minister who collected windfall votes in that year’s election and — like a feckless and foolish Lotto winner — recklessly squandered the vast amount of political capital they gave her on divisive projects like co-governance and decolonisation she had never campaigned on and had no mandate for.

She will mostly be seen as a leader who disgracefully betrayed the trust that voters placed in her.
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November 11, 2022 8:17am
- pdm
  
  Maggy – is erratic the right word?
  
  Would irrational be better?
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:22am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Neurotic would be my guess.
    
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    November 11, 2022 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I ~~plagiarised~~ repurposed Graham Adams’ word…
    
    As Labour’s fortunes plummet, the Prime Minister’s behaviour is becoming erratic.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’ll keep it simple, “stupid” is better
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:39am
- Biscuit
  
  Maggy, Jassy’s ‘I know everything’ attitude post-Covid is eerily-reminiscent of George W Bush’s manipulation of 9/11 to begin a Middle Eastern ‘War On Terror’ that focussed not on the proven perpetrators but on the country – and its leader – who attempted ‘to do in my daddy’ years earlier…
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:29am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Which is the more egregious though, Maggy? Squandering what she was given in 2020 in the way you mention, or putting herself in that position by ramming the Covid fear propaganda down (almost) everyone’s throats, buying the media’s loyalty and dividing citizens against each other in the year leading up to that election?
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:42am
- kowtow
  
  He’s put his finger on what that trip was all about .
  
  Her minders have decided to paint a portrait of her ‘legacy’ as having been leadership , life saving and aspirational .
  
  Shakelton the role model and the Antarctic as the prop. A very expensive place to stage yet another podium moment.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:05am
  - David Garrett
    
    kowtow: Shackleton Ardern’s hero? I no more believe that than Hillary Clinton’s ludicrous claim to have been named after Sir Edmund Hilary …mainly because Clinton was born five years before Everest was conquered in 1953
    
    The odds of her parents being aware of an unknown mountaineer in Noo Zealand in 1947 must be considerably greater than the odds of my winning Lotto this weekend.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:32am
    - Takere
      
      Ardern whakapapa’s to Shakespeare’s mum, Mary Ardern!
      
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      November 11, 2022 9:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Shakespeare’s mum was Mary Arden.
        
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        November 11, 2022 10:23am
      - Matt Long
        
        500 years is plenty of time to introduce variations in spelling.
        
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        November 11, 2022 3:40pm
Frank the tank

Covid cult outbreak in Queensland. Be prepared this is very contagious for Socialists.
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November 11, 2022 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  Surely with their very high levels of “vaccinations” and multiple “boosts” , not to mention the numbers who got it through natural spread , their immunity levels would make any more theatre of the absurd , unnecessary.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:00am
Ford Prefect

Im pretty new to caring about politics and quite frankly it was easier when I was ignorant and believed Helen Clark and voted for Labour (circa 2000). I was the cliche left leaning young’un when I owned nothing and had no responsibility and am now a right leaning middle aged, now I have a job, house and kids.

What intrigues me is the amount of white, middle-aged women who dont follow this path. They also have jobs, a house and kids and yet can see no wrong in destroying a country because Jacinda says she cares.

Has the rise in the dogged left voter coincided with the rise in Health and Safety and the rise in HR depts, all predominantly staffed by white, middle-aged women. Is this a recent phenomenon over the last couple of decades with a rise of women who care so much it ruins companies, cities and now countries. My understanding of early Marxists in the west, have always been around northern English men from the trade unions rallying workers to strike, not 4-wheel drive, soccer mums who still wear masks and dye their hair blue

Is this a new wave of Marxists or have the puppet masters now found a more useful puppet?
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November 11, 2022 8:25am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  It has been my experience with those white middle aged women that they will tolerate NO dissenting opinion.
  Once one has pointed out, in inarguable terms, how useless they are then one is referred to as misogynistic.
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:56am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Haha – it’s an issue across the West
  
  In the latest US elections unmarried woman voted for the Democrats by 68% to 31% .
  
  Thirty seven point difference? The Democrat Party has become the Husband of Last Resort for Unmarriageable Women
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:49am
- Paulus
  
  I agree the way that the Personnel Department morphed into HR – so called Human Relations.
  I blame the Boards for allowing this cancer like takeover of their responsibilities.
  Years ago when I saw, being in a position to do so, what was coming I absorbed the Personnel and made each Manager be responsible for his own Department – it was most sucessful where the Manager chose people who would fit into his/her Department.
  Would not be allowed today as women have taken over the role.
  Directors have nobody else to blame for this fiasco.
  
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  November 11, 2022 2:05pm
  - westernScientist
    
    haha learn something new every day, i thought it was the Human Resources department….
    
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    November 11, 2022 2:29pm
- westernScientist
  
  The roy morgan polls are interesting because they break it down into gender and age bracket, although somewhat coarsely.
  There is a big break in support for labour with 50+ woman being the ones propping them up continuously. Its not so much the young or early middle age.
  
  What is much more concerning IMO is the separation in the under 50 age group, where the split to greens and ACT is much bigger between males and females, being something like 15-20% each way with both labour and the Nats under represented compared to the older age groups.
  
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  November 11, 2022 2:27pm
Takere

I think the clock on mayor Browns life expectancy has already started ticking!

Reading between the lines. How long will it be before the local government minister puts a Statutory Manager in charge of Auckland Council?
Within 12 months or less. I reckon it’s on the cards because of all the debt and the politics. He’s bn set up.
The Auditor Generals report will justify Mahuta to move in.

She’ll put Tuku Morgan in!😭😂😝

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/what-theyve-got-to-hide
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November 11, 2022 8:39am
MCōs

I read in the NZ Herald chunks of the Challenger have been found 36yrs after it blew up shortly after launch.
A couple of years ago someone on Twitter asked what was the first world event people remembered and I was surprised at how many mentioned that disaster. It transpired one of the people on board was Christa McAuliffe, a school teacher and the teachers of America were very proud. They told the wee kids what was happening and sat them down in front of the TV to watch the launch.
They kids knew something terrible had happened when their teacher burst into tears and quickly turned the TV off.
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November 11, 2022 8:51am
- Master Mariner
  
  Here’s one of my previous company boats retrieving Rockets engines.
  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/apollo-rocket-engines-pulled-from-sea-but-where-will-they-land-7993607/
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:01am
Rusty

Queensland is mandating mask wearing again in public places due to high covid rates.

Can you believe it?

Masks don’t do anything to stop the spread. Covid is a random virus that affects some people vaxxed/masked or not.

Will Jacinda start thinking of bullying Nzers again with covid restrictions in the new year?
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November 11, 2022 8:53am
- ClanMcleod
  
  She can go fuck herself if she tries. I’ve never worn one and never will.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:30am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I doubt it. Electoral suicide.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:31am
- Maggie Pie
  
  If you look at most people still wearing masks in public, it’s mainly because they know it improves their looks 😀
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:37am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I personally don’t think the NZ public will be so compliant to Aunty Cindy anymore and her demands.
  
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  November 11, 2022 12:14pm
Tomtoddy

The mid term elections in the USA are a big loud warning to the centre right in NZ.

The Republicans like many centre right voters, right wing parties and contributors to this blog believe all they had to do was turn up on election day and scoop the pool.

The USA has an incompetent, very socialist lot trying to run the country just like we do. But tribal politics are alive and well – once a leftie, always a leftie. The welded-on support was underestimated. Young people are more active and dominant in politics now than they have ever been. The vote with their heart. Until they gain capital they oppose capitalists. The Republicans put up useless candidates believing they would be a shoe in. Voters were repulsed.

Get the message?? Its happening here.
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November 11, 2022 8:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  Agreed. Read el gato malo’s you can’t beat “something” with “nothing”. In respect of National candidates asking Labour voters to flip: –
  
  it’s far less about “candidate” than about “team and about tribe” and to move people off their spot requires vast impetus.
  
  you are not asking them to pick you.
  
  you are asking them to change families.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The usual excellence from el gato malo. Can you believe when you link some people to it they criticise the lack of capitalisation as if that is some measure of competency???!!! Truly, the desperation in some people in their attempt to detract from the point being made is moronic.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:32am
- Scott
  
  Tomtoddy – I am also very suspicious of US elections since the debacle of 2020. There are mysterious ballot drops that appear to have happened in this election as well.
  
  Ron DeSantis won handily in Florida. That state, the third most populous in the United States, counted all their votes within the day and announced the results.
  
  It is suspicious to me that Arizona is still counting and expects to be counting maybe until Christmas? How is that possible? Doesn’t that seem suspicious?
  
  To give some context in 1862 when there was no electricity and votes had to be counted by candlelight and there was a civil war raging, all the votes were counted and the results announced within a week.
  
  There is a real problem with the collection and counting of votes in the United States elections.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:12am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    You would have to be very dishonest not to admit that Arizona looks very bad.
    
    Most of Trump’s court cases were (rightfully) thrown out because the risk of disenfranchising voters was too great without concrete proof yet a judge declared Maricopa (read: Republican) voters couldn’t have extra time despite multiple precincts all over the country allowing it and their issues being pretty major (machines not working).
    
    Then you have Katie Hobbs, the secretary of State, running the election and also running for Governor. Very real issues happening under her watch that massively benefit her are problematic. Note that the Democrats have been complaining ever since The President of Earth lost to Brian Kemp (who was the SOS at the time) in Georgia last time. Nothing dodgy happened but the mere fact of his position lead the Democrats to question that election.
    
    Elections don’t just need to be free of corruption, they have to appear free of corruption too.
    
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    November 11, 2022 10:46am
- Matt Long
  
  The US elections have a lot of leasons, people are turned off by Trumpism BUT trying to beat regressives by outflanking them on the left doesn’t compare with competence and offering a clear choice as DeSantis has done.
  The problem for the Nats is they don’t inspire their base.
  
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  November 11, 2022 12:15pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Are you still making regular donations to Hato Hone?

Asking for a friend.
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November 11, 2022 9:09am
- Ghost
  
  Don’t really care what they call themselves, their service is essential.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    But don’t confuse donations for subscription, subscribe first then donate after, with maybe the question of why they need donations if they can waste money on a rebrand.
    
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    November 11, 2022 12:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  是
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hey Benedict, you could drop in a bit of Hanzi 漢字 each day on KB and check whether any of us have become fluent readers of Chinese in a year or so….
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  St John has a noble purpose that pre-dates Maoridom. I hope that purpose is never lost, nor the name dropped.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:46am
cas

I see 29 of the Doc huts in Te urewera have been demolished already ( over half) and the annual plan says bridges are going as well. No access for anyone unless you are favoured and who is going to do the pest control. Not the locals I bet.
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November 11, 2022 9:20am
- David Garrett
  
  cas: I have visted Lake Waikaremoana many times, both before and after the takeover by Tuhoe. It is very obvious from the increasingly unfriendly and indeed belligerent reception from the “guardians” of Te Urewera that white New Zealanders are no longer welcome there. The governing authority has stated plainly that their primary intention is to reconnect Tuhoe people with their land, not welcome visitors, particularly white ones.
  
  On my last visit, I spoke with a couple of the guys who run the boats taking visitors to various drop off points around the lake – for a substantial fee. Two things quickly became obvious from that conversation: the Tuhoe Authority (or whatever it’s called) is completely opposed to the use of 1080, which means the possum population and stoat is exploding, and secondly, part of the reason for removing huts and access ways is t0 make it easier to grow dope without being detected. (Both the guys I spoke to readily confessed to having “gardens” in the former park. They are most unlikely to be growing kumera.
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:18am
  - kowtow
    
    Today the regime announces more tax payer money for tourism and one of the big things they’re promoting for overseas tourists is “tay ow’ maori.
    
    I wonder how much “tay ow” maori there is in the Ureweras .
    
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    November 11, 2022 10:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

When did the Minister of Conservation know that huts were being burnt in the Urewera’s.?

Hon Jacqui Dean: When she said on 27 October, “Under the Department of Conservation process, huts were dismantled, roofing iron taken off, and timber [taken off].”, was she aware of the Wharekahika Hut, which was burnt to the ground, and shows the whole hut completely burnt, including roofing iron and timber, in Te Urewera?

Did the Minister misinform Parliament … or was she out of the loop?

When will the public ever know?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20221110_20221110_16/tab/video?page=3&mode=form
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November 11, 2022 9:24am
- Benedict Yu
  
  A shameful episode. Many of the users of these huts will be heart broken. Many others will simply stay away from what was once a majestic National Park. The architect of giving away a National Park should be publicly pilloried. Because he gave it away to vandals.
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:27am
- Ghost
  
  Well I did find the ministers reply to be interesting
  
  Minister’s press conference
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:27am
- Toes on the nose
  
  The judge has ordered a temp halt to the hut burning. So there’s an ever so slim hope for the remaining 25 odd huts. Who knows? While the real Tuhoe protest the destruction Tamati Kruger has had his snout in troughs in Galapagos, Amazon, Mexico and Yellowstone… seeing how those bros run Nat Parks. While Tuhoe go hungry. Pest control has ceased— the birds are nearly gone. A once great park.
  
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  November 11, 2022 8:21pm
Maggie Pie

And look how WE’RE regarded by the UK Parliament….

https://twitter.com/CdnFreedomGirl/status/1590523848495353856
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November 11, 2022 9:32am
- Ghost
  
  That’s sad, another person Jacinda will have to scratch off the Xmas card list. Lucky bugger
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:37am
kevn

@Maggie… Shameful for NZ.
He missed Aussie, they also dumped on it’s citizens.
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November 11, 2022 9:36am
Warren

“Reserve Bank rejects political criticisms, stands by review | RNZ News” https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/478487/reserve-bank-rejects-political-criticisms-stands-by-review
How can a entity conduct a enquiry into itself and then come out and announce Reserve Bank rejects Political criticisms, stands by review.
Grant Robertson and Adrian Orr have many things to answer for to the Public Taxpayers but want to hide what has really set the New Zealand Economy on fire .
Generations will be landed with the debt these aresoles have created but want to hide behind their own Enquiry and not have the facts released.
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November 11, 2022 9:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes, organise your own investigation, get it pal-reviewed…. Isn’t that what the Labour Party always does?
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:01am
MCōs

Funniest tweet of the week from Ruby Tui
https://twitter.com/rubytui/status/1590602316469895169?s=61&t=CytFQ9FBaPzU41DuCvPHzw
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November 11, 2022 9:36am
- Ghost
  
  Ok that made me laugh
  
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  November 11, 2022 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What’s with all the nostril touching?
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:02am
  - MCōs
    
    Is that what you noticed?
    
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    November 11, 2022 10:23am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m learning to be very particular about whose hands come into contact with me…
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA1wqjaeKj0
      
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      November 11, 2022 10:57am
Ghost

Damn, it is amazing just how much these wankers steal when you see it all laid out

Thousands of stolen items have been recovered in a police operation where a major theft and burglary ring was disrupted by police in Wellington last month.

Police found 285 bicycles, 950 power tools, 695 pieces of tapware and mixes, two baths and a whole lot of construction gear.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/major-police-operation-sees-over-3000-stolen-goods-recovered/XZZGX2HLDJAHFGAX2KI6YJNJZ4/
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November 11, 2022 9:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Crikey..
  didn’t the thieves have a market for their stolen goods?
  
  Lousy business model to store hot goods for 2+ years.
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:06am
  - Local Miller
    
    This was probably just the stuff they couldn’t find buyers for.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:07am
- Local Miller
  
  The one comment that “15 commercial storage units” were involved proves that crime is now a commercial enterprise in NZ.
  Time these buggers were put away for a long time, but under liebour soft on crime, we know they’ll be out on the streets in no time doing the same again.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Today is Armistce/ Remembrance/ Veterans Day.
Take a moment to reflect on the Freedom you have.
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November 11, 2022 9:55am
- Ehlana
  
  I did notice the government MP on AM this morning wearing a poppy.
  
  Don’t know why, when these wars were fought to protect “one person, one vote” representative democracy and Labour advocates rule by the racially superior. (I wonder if they’ve thought about having non-Maoris wear an identifier, so its easier to tell who doesn’t count?)
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:15am
  - Jack5
    
    The Labour Party fought conscription in World War 1, and in the 1930s the party kicked out its war hero, a decorated amputee, John A. Lee.
    
    In World War 2, the Labour Prime Minister, Peter Fraser, introduced conscription.
    
    Lee, one of the country’s early novelists, won the DCM at the World War 1 battle of Messines.
    
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    November 11, 2022 9:58pm
- David Garrett
  
  Steve O: Gosh, I had forgotten it is Remembrance Day; thanks for the reminder.
  
  Twenty million men lost in what must be the most surely be the most pointless war ever fought. If you have not already done so, check out the remake of All quiet on the Western Front now playing on Netflix. There are brutal scenes throughout showing the utter waste and horror of it all.
  
  And because the allies failed to stop Adolf when they had the chance in 1936 (remilitarization of the Rhineland) both sides did it all again a generation later.
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do hope the bigwigs in the Pentagon are remembering this – in relation to the Russia and Ukraine conflict. The World does not want a nuclear war.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:41am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Famous historian Naill Ferguson agrees with you.
    
    However, as pointless and stupid was the start of the war, I think once it was committed too, Germany did have to be defeated.
    
    But yeah, whether it’s the rise of Fascism or the fanatical, murderous commies of Lenin, the fallout from that war vastly outweighed any good that came of it.
    
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    November 11, 2022 12:02pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Adolf was at a meeting with Anthony Eden, Minister in Chamberlain’s Govt, and they spent the whole evening talking about their experiences as they were within miles of each other at the same time.
    
    Harold Macmillan, another Minister and like Eden eventual PM, was badly wounded and spent a long time in a shell crater and he read Greek plays in the original as he lay there.
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:01pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Lucky he has a copy with him
      
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      November 11, 2022 7:11pm
Maggie Pie

FGS!! How many Hijabs does Cindy actually own?

https://twitter.com/islamstatewatch/status/1590561984675999745
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November 11, 2022 10:04am
- Ghost
  
  Maybe that’s her Jesus one
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From the comments:
  I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I will fuck this country!
  Oh that’s right, it’s already happening!
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:22am
- Ehlana
  
  A hijab is a head covering. Pretty much any scarf can serve that purpose. They were worn in the West up until the mid-20th century: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/1940s-headscarf.html?sortBy=relevant
  
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  November 11, 2022 12:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Covers up the hair curlers. My Mother did it in the 60s
    
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    November 11, 2022 5:21pm
Philview

Did I miss it or has that story about the foiled terror attack in Auckland been ignored by 90% of the media.
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November 11, 2022 10:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Name suppression until sentencing.
  Why not use something that costs 33 cents?
  
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  November 11, 2022 10:31am
- Ghost
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300735437/man-planned-to-carry-out-terror-attack-in-auckland-inspired-by-previous-mall-attack
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/teen-who-threatened-to-kill-non-muslims-had-plan-to-attack-auckland-documents-show/CXYRBH24TNB3RD7HOVLWFZLWGU/
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-man-pleads-guilty-to-threatening-to-kill-non-muslims-distributing-objectionable-publications/2PUOT34LYZDOROVGLASZCL7FYY/
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/teen-who-threatened-to-kill-non-muslims-had-plan-to-attack-auckland-documents-show/
  
  Nothing on newshub, one news or radio nz that I could find. But yesterday was a lot of news, bank hostages in rotorua, cop hit with a car in Auckland, something about some nz band trying having Māori performances in their show that looked out of place
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-are-not-the-indigenous-people-of-new-zealand-part-2/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/maori-are-not-the-indigenous-people-of-New-Zealand-part-2-3.pdf
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November 11, 2022 10:14am
MCōs

American elections
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1590813547402956801?s=61&t=pIgOnwkc7MPiX1AHxD0R7w
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November 11, 2022 10:21am
Maggie Pie

WOW!! BREAKING

Elon just told Twitter staff…”bankruptcy isn’t out of the question”

🙁
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November 11, 2022 10:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  He said a similar thing at Space X awhile ago. Either we fix the rocket propulsion or it could be all over.
  He fired a few people that time too.
  They fixed it though.
  He’s just giving Twatter some needed commercial reality.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:06am
- peterwn
  
  American style ‘Chapter 11’ bankruptcy can benefit the ‘bankrupt’ company over its creditors. It is the company, manager and shareholders (owners) who benefit as it is mostly business as usual for the company while the creditors and possibly the employees who are hog tied. Just look at Hertz car rentals.
  Elon would regard Chapter 11 bankrupcy as a strategic management move rather than admission the company is down the gurgler.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:14am
  - cmm
    
    Remember that Elon Musk Corporation is bigger than Twitter, Space X or Tesla.
    
    Many companies/corporations shut down divisions that are no longer required/profitable/whatever. Musk could easily do that with Twitter.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:42am
- Inandout
  
  Whoop Goldberg said on ‘the view’ she was leaving Twitter for a while, but will probably return. Of course she will.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She was also going to leave the US if Trump won in 2016.
    Her and about 20 others. They are still there.
    
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    November 11, 2022 11:50am
    - Matt Long
      
      Thanks God they didn’t come here.
      
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      November 11, 2022 12:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yer, we have enough leftie wankers already.
        
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        November 11, 2022 1:23pm
- cmm
  
  This is a way of telling them they have to be profitable on their own feet as a free standing organisation.
  
  ie. Just because he has billions it doesn’t mean he will be bank-rolling them.
  
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  November 11, 2022 11:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Arizona. Vote counting taking a long time. There are possible ballot drops. Even a Judge wanted Drop box security cameras turned off! Incredible.
KARI LAKE JOINS CALLS TO RETURN TP PAPER BALLOT, VOWS TO BRING BACK ‘MACHINE-LESS VOTING’
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/kari-lake-joins-calls-to-return-tp-paper-ballot-vows-to-bring-back-machine-less-voting/
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November 11, 2022 10:53am
- Tom Hunter
  
  It’s not talked about much now, but back in mid-2016 there was book published by a Guardian writer about the history of US elections, Steal This Vote, which title really says it all.
  
  Steal This Vote tells the fraught but very colorful history of electoral malfeasance in the United States. It is a tale of votes bought, stolen, suppressed, lost, cast more than once, assigned to dead people and pets, miscounted, thrown into rivers, and litigated all the way to the Supreme Court. (No wonder America has the lowest voter participation rate of any Western democracy!) Andrew Gumbel—whose work on the new electronic voting fraud has been praised by Gore Vidal and Paul Krugman,….
  
  Well yeah, that last is not a recommendation, but I’ve read the book and his analysis of the promise of electronic voting machines – which have been pushed since the 1970’s by the companies that make them – was pretty hair-raising.
  
  No revised version to cover the 2018, 2020 elections. 😉
  
  As Lake said: paper ballots only (and purple fingers like Iraq if necessary). 🙂
  
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  November 11, 2022 12:10pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I love the story of Illinois back when JFK won.
    Basically, the election hinged on Chicago (Dems) vs the rest of the State (Reps). Neither side was willing to offer their final counts so whatever the other side came up with, they could “find votes” and beat it.
    In the end, the Dems tricked the Reps into thinking they’d handed in their final numbers and ensured they handed in bigger numbers. JFK became President.
    
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    November 11, 2022 12:56pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Heh. You should read Volume 2 of Robert Caro’s biography of LBJ, The Path To Power to see that shit being pulled in Democrat Texas in the 1940’s.
      
      In a 1941 Senate election LBJ had typically worked his backside off to win, but at the last moment made that crucial mistake of letting his Precinct Captains release their vote totals – which of course told his opponent exactly how many they needed to create.
      
      Needless to say he didn’t make the same mistake when he ran for it again in 1948. It’s a great read and buried in it is a sub-story that’s a movie in itself, where his opponent, the famed Texan Coke Stephenson, went into one of the very suspicious polling stations on the Mexican-Texas border, accompanied by perhaps the most famous Texas Ranger of all time, Frank Hamer, because they were facing guys with guns (including the full bandolero ammunition belt shit).
      
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      November 11, 2022 6:17pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Grrrr…. Volume two is actually Means of Ascent
        
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        November 11, 2022 6:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pennsylvania voted in a guy that die a month ago.
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:30pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      To be fair, they effectively voted for a special election so they could get a new Democrat candidate rather than vote for the Republican or Independent.
      
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      November 11, 2022 2:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Dems still voted for the dead guy – not knowing.
        I am not sure there was a substitute known.
        It is just vote Blue, or vote Red.
        
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        November 11, 2022 5:49pm
      - RichardX
        
        Steve, Have you ever tried putting “dead candidates who won” or similar into a search engine?
        
        You will find that this has happened before and it likely to happen again.
        
        You should spend less time repeating what turns up in your inbox and more time independently verifying claims before you believe them.
        
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        November 11, 2022 6:32pm
Tony Stuart

Food prices have increased by 10.1% in the year to October, a 14-year high:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/food-price-increase-at-huge-14-year-high/ZX3ALW2A5FHNXH35WU3RQ6YE5U/

We’re in the midst of a full-blown cost of living crisis, yet at Labour’s conference last weekend, all the PM and her Finance Minister wanted to do was take cheap shots at Christopher Luxon and National.

And I see this morning that Robertson and Megan Woods have announced that Kainga Ora will borrow an additional $2.75 billion this year, which, thanks to some creative accounting by the Finance Minister, won’t be counted as Core Crown Debt. National is set to inherit an absolute basket-case of an economy next year.
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November 11, 2022 11:27am
- PeeJay
  
  Kainga Ora’s ever growing debt pile is truly worrying.
  
  National won’t do it unfortunately as I suspect it’s in the too hard basket and they will have their work cut out, but KO should be closed, burned to the ground and a bloody good hard discussion should be had as to what NZ needs for public sector housing.
  
  As part of this discussion, it should not be what the very rich middle class (and very white) management class working there want, nor the numerous consultancy ticket-clippers charging like wounded bulls want, but a total re-think of what (if any) public sector housing should be provided and if so, how.
  
  An honest look would sure-as-shit result in a very different outcome to the cluster KO currently is!
  
  Same could be said for many departments and agencies though!
  
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  November 11, 2022 12:21pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I’ve said it before but Labour will be in “scorched earth” mode for the next year:
  Borrow to the hilt
  Embed as many useless lefties as possible in government departments with long contracts and generous golden parachutes (e.g. Orr)
  Big increases to benefits and the minimum wage
  Implement more of he puapua
  
  By November next year we will be in the shit up to our ankles. That’s head first!
  
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  November 11, 2022 5:48pm
Ghost

Damn, a $US15 million reward for Nicolas Maduro.

https://www.state.gov/nicolas-maduro-moros-new-target/

I hope someone can find him, oh wait I found him shaking hands with John Kerry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PizbFDOUPc
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November 11, 2022 11:38am
Ghost

60 hour house build to raise money for gumboot Friday I am hope, watch it live. https://www.facebook.com/60hrBuildathon

Give a little page https://givealittle.co.nz/fundraiser/24-hr-shift-for-i-am-hopegumboot-friday
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November 11, 2022 12:04pm
CAKE FACE1

The Omen was a classic 1970s movie.

The film’s plot revolves around a young child named Damien. He was replaced at birth by his father, unbeknownst to his wife, after their own biological child died shortly after birth. The father has an important job as an ambassador. As the story unfolds, many people are killed by the child Damien or his accomplices.

The father eventually finds that out that Damien is the Antichrist! The birthmark of 666 on his scalp is what gives him away. However, at the end of the movie, the father is killed, and the Antichrist gets away with it!

I’m not sure what we can draw from this tale, or if there are any spooky parallels.

Sure, Cindy’s father had an important job as a policeman. Sure, Cindy and her accomplices have killed many people.

Still, just in case, it might be an idea for someone to check Cindy’s scalp for birthmarks?

Just saying…
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November 11, 2022 12:04pm
- Ghost
  
  Loved that movie, you could tell when each of my friends at primary school had watched it, we were all checking each other for a tattoo on the back of head
  
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  November 11, 2022 12:59pm
  - MCōs
    
    Kids were pretty impressionable in those days, were they?
    Some of them never grew out it.
    Boys I went to school with back in the 50s showed off the welts on their bum where they’d been caned or compared pubic hair when it first popped up.
    
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    November 11, 2022 2:13pm
Surely Knott

Stuff Headlines: Supermarkets are complaining that the huge increase in minimum wage for the bottom earners means the gap is closing for those up the paybands with more skills more experience. I mean isn’t that what the socialists want all paid the same regardless of your skill, experience or contribution.

“As the minimum wage has increased – from $14.25 in 2014 to $21.20 this year – and more businesses have adopted the Living Wage, which has increased from $18.80 in 2014 to $23.65”

But I would another unintended consequence of this, is kids leaving school. Why would you stay at school when unskilled jobs pay almost the same as job with more training and education. Why would you get more skills and more training when no skills or not working pays very well indeed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130409427/slap-in-the-face-pay-rises-for-those-earning-least-erodes-incentive-to-take-on-responsibility
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November 11, 2022 12:30pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s admit I had a little giggle when I read that article.
  
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  November 11, 2022 1:03pm
- Taieri
  
  and more businesses have adopted the Living Wage
  ————
  
  NZ Parliament still hasn’t…
  
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  November 11, 2022 1:18pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    I must confess to being confused by this “living wage” being a uniform $23.65
    
    Why is the living wage is that same in Whangarei or Whanganui, as it is in Auckland?
    
    Sounds like an imaginary number to me…
    
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    November 11, 2022 1:25pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Have you seen how the Living Wage is arrived at? Agree it should differ on area but also household size. The living wage is calculated based on a family of 4 where two parents work 1 full time and 1 part time job, 2 young kids, and a 3 bedroom house and a car (not public transport or bicycle or walking) you even get newspaper and stationary allowance of $13 a week.
      
      Yet the living wage is applied regardless of household structure or costs, even if you are a single uni student with no dependents, living at your parents home and within walking distance of the job, or a 2 fulltime working family with one child.
      
      They say “The market pays a wage for workers to do particular jobs
      regardless of their family size, medical needs or other financial obligations. It has to be
      pitched somewhere and living wage movements internationally pitch it in relation to a family
      with children, because society is poorer if working families with children are still below the
      poverty threshold”
      
      http://familycentre.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Living-Wage-2018-Measurement-Review-Report-Final.pdf
      
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      November 11, 2022 1:47pm
      - artemisia
        
        Not long after the’living wage’ was first calculated The Treasury reported that the most to benefit were young single adults and government revenue. Most then on minimum wage had no children, The Treasury reported.
        
        The initial calculation did not survive its first recalc as someone or other decided it was too much so it was fudged downwards.
        
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        November 11, 2022 2:21pm
- MCōs
  
  Minimum wage/living wage whatever it is it’s shit money.
  Not only that you hear about people who work for 30yrs earning that sort of money and by definition they’ll still be on shit money.
  The country is half full of essential jobs that are payed shit money. For example people grizzle about pot holes. The people who (eventually) fill the pot ones probably get paid peanuts.
  Supermarkets, petrol stations, cafes, KFC all use low wage workers. If they weren’t there the country would be in the shit.
  
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  November 11, 2022 2:39pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Bollocks. If they weren’t there we would automate, like the Gull service stations. As a country we should look after the people who add significant value to our society.
    
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    November 11, 2022 5:37pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

OMV to leave NZ. The one O&G firm of any scale left in NZ.

Anyone who thinks this is unconnected with Jaxxie’s Captain’s Call has rocks in their heads.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/rnz/300736397/omv-signals-exit-from-fossil-fuel-energy-production
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November 11, 2022 12:40pm
Ghost

Seriously, what he said, was so offensive. Shit. I’d never survive as a judge with my mouth. And even some of those that get through a stupid old bleeps with no bleep talent that bleep bleep bleep…. Yeah. I’m not going to make it as a judge

David Walliams recorded making offensive comments about Britain’s Got Talent contestants

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300736531/david-walliams-recorded-making-offensive-comments-about-britains-got-talent-contestants
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November 11, 2022 1:00pm
- MCōs
  
  I don’t like all those talent shows, I’m sorry.
  Except maybe ‘Pleasant Point’s Got Talent’ has potential.
  I saw it advertised in a cafe there once a few years. I expect the winner juggled chainsaws while shearing a sheep and scoffing a cold pie.
  
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  November 11, 2022 2:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    I think it has been replaced with their politically incorrect Xmas parade, which is always fun to watch.
    
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    November 11, 2022 2:06pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Would certainly get my vote
    
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    November 11, 2022 7:21pm
Taieri

Sharm El Sheikh will host the next Conference on Climate Change . Apparently it’s a very nice place with 5-star facilities provided by Hyatt, Accor, Marriott International, Le Méridien, Four Seasons Hotels, and Ritz-Carlton. It is in Egypt.

And as for Egypt…

“(…)Egypt is one of only a few countries which failed to submit an updated NDC in 2021 and its upcoming update will not include an economy-wide carbon reduction target.

Egypt has also never published a long-term strategy and has no decarbonization plans despite independent estimates it should cut rising emissions by one-quarter by 2030, and by two-thirds by 2050 to be aligned with the Paris Agreement.(…)”

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/07/cop27-navigating-difficult-road-sharm-el-sheikh?gclid=EAIaIQobChMInpOjwNKW-wIVlBsrCh2OMgzMEAAYASAAEgK-XPD_BwE

But it doesn’t really matter what Egypt does or doesn’t. Since NZ farmers will soon make up for all that…
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November 11, 2022 1:16pm
Warren

Have we ever had a Government who is as inept as this Labour Government as it seems everything they touch turns to shit.
Thousands of family visitors visa applications went untouched for months after upgrade failure. More than 3,000
Visa applications went untouched for up to three months after a system upgrade failure.
Immigration LawyerArran Hunt said the fault was one of many with the New online system, known as ADEPT, he was surprised it had taken so many months for INZ realise the mistake.
Some people who applied at the start of August assumed they would have their visas by November and had booked flights.
“Now Immigrations found this large bunch of people that haven’t gone anywhere and they are trying to resolve them very quickly, but it is several months down the line that they noticed this”.
“Politics News, Analysis and Opinion | Newshub” https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics.html
Some of these that have been waiting have Children and Grandchildren that they haven’t seen for nearly four years and are desperate to travel here.
This Labour Government couldn’t run a pissup at a Brewery if they were given the chance to try.
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November 11, 2022 2:57pm
Ghost

The co-governance aspect of Three Waters reform has survived the select committee process, which heard more than 88,000 public submissions on the controversial topic.

The Water Services Entities Bill proposed the establishment of four publicly-owned water entities to deliver “more cost-effective, safe and efficient water services”, taking the responsibility away from local councils.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/three-waters-co-governance-retained-after-88000-public-submissions/TMLYGZYFDVB2XDTN565CPSMJYQ/
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November 11, 2022 3:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Fuck! I only have 5 downticks today.
Come on you slackers, you can do better before you fuck off to the pub for a craft beer shandy.
Downtick – that’s the red thumbs down thingy.
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November 11, 2022 4:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyone believe this shit?
Skinner very matter-of-factly admitted to registering as a Republican, despite consistently voting as a Democrat, simply because it was required for him to secure a job at the polls. They already had enough Democrats.
They already had enough Democrat Inspectors? They never stop cheating.
https://gopnewsfeed.com/veritas-exposes-democrat-working-as-gop-election-inspector/?
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November 11, 2022 4:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Twitter.
https://redrightvideos.com/twitter-fires-thousands-of-employees-heres-the-letters-they-received/
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November 11, 2022 4:52pm
CAKE FACE1

I always ask myself – what is the socialist breaking point?

At what stage does the socialist say – “I was wrong. This system isn’t working.”?

The last time we had a full-on socialist government was 1984. I just had a look at the election results from then (under the first-past-the-post system).

Sir Robert Muldoon – 36%
Social Credit – 13%

Socialist parties got 49% of the vote, even when the economy was close to collapse.

This leads me to a gloomy conclusion – socialists will always vie for power with 50/50 support, no matter what vandalism they do to the economy and society…

Maybe Cindy will win again in 2023?

Given the damage done in just the last two years, if we get another four more years of this sabotage on top of this, what shape will the NZ economy and society be in?

I find it hard to comprehend why people would still support this government. I try to understand, but it doesn’t seem rational to me.

Woe is me…
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November 11, 2022 5:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Second sentence – “I was wrong—” It will never happen. They just will never go down that path.
  You try to understand this Govt, and that is how they get into people’s heads.
  Can’t remember my comment the other day, but if it is shit, and gets into your head, dismiss it.
  
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  November 11, 2022 6:00pm
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  There are far too many people on the take via the government.
  
  To them the idea of a frugal government that minds its spending is a MASSIVE threat.
  
  They’d far rather keep on getting their “entitlements” and bugger the future. They don’t care about their kids’ education, they don’t care about the growing debt. All they care about is getting their lollies. Now.
  
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  November 11, 2022 7:54pm
Ghost

I find it strange to read this is the first time nurses have gone on strike, amazing.

Tens of thousands of nurses in the United Kingdom will go on strike for the first time demanding better pay as the cost of living soars.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/10/enough-nurses-in-uk-to-go-on-strike-for-first-time-in-history
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November 11, 2022 5:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  History ended yesterday, and started again today//
  
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  November 11, 2022 6:02pm
Ghost

Reason to home school…. I made it two minutes into this video and had to stop

Connecticut School Director Placed “On Leave” After Detailing Sexual Fantasies with Minor Students

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA4ig-WHGeI
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November 11, 2022 6:01pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry Ghost.
  I would have put him out on the concrete
  
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  November 11, 2022 6:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Green, black and white panties?
He has this idea that the 12 year old girls are taunting him?
He is not the only one
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November 11, 2022 6:11pm
Surely Knott

Teenage Jacinda in a southpark tshirt which reads “Respect My Authority” Lol. Even back then!
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/23/03/29938038-8449319-image-m-27_1592878365337.jpg
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November 11, 2022 6:23pm
Ghost

This was quick

A court in Seoul has approved the extradition of a woman believed to be the mother of two children whose bodies were found in suitcases in Clendon Park, south Auckland, in August, according to reports.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300737223/suitcase-murder-suspect-will-be-extradited-to-nz-seoul-high-court-rules
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November 11, 2022 8:08pm
Ghost

David Garrett, hope all is well with you up there, just saw possible tsunami for Tonga after two big quakes.
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November 12, 2022 1:17am
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  Btw. Someone that I find interesting f and actually does get some earthquake predictions right is dutchsinse, interesting guy, gets some right, some wrong
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvoVfR0do-A
  
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