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Simon

China pumps out more pollution in eight years than UK since Industrial Revolution
CO2 emissions of 80bn tonnes from 2013 to 2020 is higher than Britain’s 78bn over 220 years

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2022/11/07/china-pumps-pollution-eight-years-uk-since-industrial-revolution/

CO2 isnt a pollution. Man made climate change is fraud. China isnt really the enemy.

But the point is the proles, those that vaxxed up, are easily led. Get ready for the Climate Wars.

If you believed that man made climate change was an existential threat and China continued to pump out CO2 then war is inevitable
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November 10, 2022 8:09am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Wait for New Zealand to sign up to “climate reparations”. This is a shakedown. What do you think PNG and the Central African Republic are going to do with their “climate reparation” cheques? 🤡
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Pakistan is a darling of the catastrophists at the moment , cos there’s good footage of people who build on a flood plain ……..being flooded .
    
    Anyway , imagine if you will where your tax dollar would end up there . While they build better missiles and enhance uranium…..
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:41am
    - Ehlana
      
      A few years back, every year, we saw footage of US citizens who had built on a flood plain …… being flooded. And Governors and Presidents solemnly declared emergencies and vowed to build back.
      
      Until someone, somewhere, worked out what a waste of time, money, effort and lives this was. IIRC, the government stopped providing financial support, the insurers stopped insuring and now we never hear of these floods anymore.
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:22pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The media need torn a new one for that bloody lie, the Pakistan floods were the peak of monsoon FFS,
      
      Same in the USA with the Cat 4 hurricane, only 8 named storms out of the southern oceans, only 2 became Hurricanes, the previous year remember they went right through the alphabet, and they went halfway through the Greek alphabet, why do these swine’s have to lie?
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:11pm
  - Tricati
    
    I thought that’s what the Paris accord was all about. Developed countries like NZ putting in Billions of dollars of ‘climate guilt’ so the UN could re-distribute it to developing countries.
    This latest scheme seems like double-dipping, but with socialists driving it, unlikely to be called out.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:54am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nope, it’s some new corruption, only countries in the world are stupid enough to hand the money over, we know Labour think hand the money out, job done.
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:12pm
  - westernScientist
    
    wait no more:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130410007/new-zealand-becomes-third-country-to-offer-cash-to-climatehit-countries
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:56am
    - Paulus
      
      This money cluld be better spent on protecting our Children from ethnic abuse.
      
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      November 10, 2022 1:49pm
  - Jim
    
    Ridiculous BY, but ironically it’s perhaps quite befitting that reparations are being tabled at Sharm el Sheikdown.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:10am
  - Jack5
    
    Mahuta and the Greens’ Shaw have jointly announced $20 million from NZ for “climate change” damage in developing countries.
    
    A hint that this is just part of the new outpouring of taxpayer money comes from their words, “….it delivers on commitments to deal with the impacts of climate change that are not covered by funding for adaptation measures.”
    
    Mahuta says also of the $20 million:
    
    ” It strongly signals our support for Pacific priorities.
    
    “The loss of land and resources from sea-level rise is a well-known threat, but loss and damage for Pacific countries takes many forms.
    
    “We hear from our neighbours about climate impacts on freshwater systems, on plant and animal ecosystems, coastal waters and the ocean. It threatens the very basis of their lives. Loss and damage is happening to homes and crops and fisheries, but it also happens to cultures, languages, people’s mental health and their physical wellbeing.”
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:22am
    - backster
      
      The $20million probably will come from the Covid Recovery Fund.
      
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      November 10, 2022 11:34am
    - Jim
      
      So it’s tax payers money for Four Waters now….we can add “Flood” to Mahuta’s existing cultural reparations list.
      
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      November 10, 2022 5:22pm
  - Fishing in the dark
    
    These African Nations will have no problem accepting a cheque from our corrupt government, the only way these cheques to the corrupt PM of these countries.
    
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    November 10, 2022 2:52pm
- Matt Long
  
  Climate Change is an excuse for more socialism and to remove freedoms and impoverish the Western middle classes.
  If it was a real threat our elites would either have zoom meetings or revolutionaries would be tearing down their palaces.
  And governments would be interested in solutions of which there are many.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:31am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    And if our politicians were prepared to get out a calculator they’d soon figure out that the ‘solutions’ aren’t solutions at all. More like millstones.
    Maybe step number one is to get it through their fricken heads that CO2 IS NOT POLLUTION!
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:38am
    - cmm
      
      What makes you think they are trying to solve anything? They aren’t.
      
      It is all power play. Take billions of taxpayer’s money and play Santa with it in Africa. What an ego and power rush!
      
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      November 10, 2022 8:49am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        If there is a human connection with climate change look no further than gross overpopulation in China and Asia.
        Why do we have to pay for it?
        
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        November 10, 2022 9:02am
      - cmm
        
        Captain: The population growth is tanking in China. At only 1.7, they are below the fertility rate of NZ (1.9), both well below replacement rate of 2.1.
        
        The top 30 countries for fertility are all in Africa.
        
        It is interesting that Pacific countries are also high scorers (many over 3) and it is no surprise that in NZ the Maori and Pacifica birth rate is almost double that of whites and Asians.
        
        So the real birth increases are happening in the countries getting the biggest handouts.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate#/media/File:TFR-HighRes-2020.png
        
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        November 10, 2022 12:35pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      We all continue to be shocked at the apparent “ineptitude” of this government. It is becoming clear, especially since the covid circus, that none of the actions are accidental. This is all deliberate policy to destroy the current system and “build back better” .
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Google Machine has a big list of CO2 pollution.
      https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:45am
- krazykiwi
  
  “CO2 isnt a pollution. Man made climate change is fraud.”
  
  Damn straight!
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:50am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    KrazyKiwi,
    That kind of statement has the effect of discrediting most of what you post. It is hard for National MP’s and National Party policy makers to listen to you and your fellow thinkers when you make that kind of statement. It is just way to out there, right in the climate denial space.
    There won’t be too many National MPs who want to be associated with that, though there might be some. But once they are labelled climate deniers, they won’t be helping National.
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:22am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Define “clime denial”, in your own time, Wayne.
      
      And then point at evidence of anthropogenic emissions leading to net harmful outcomes for humankind. Again, in your own time, Wayne.
      
      National are limp apologists in this scam. So desperate not to rock the establishment boat with principles.
      
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      November 10, 2022 11:31am
    - Justitia
      
      Wayne Mapp: What is “climate denial”, other than an entirely nonsensical expression? Do you by chance mean “denial of climate change”? No one denies climate change, but the assertion that CO2 is the Earth’s temperature control knob is scientifically illiterate as the geological record clearly shows.
      
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      November 10, 2022 11:32am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’m a denier of Man Made Climate Change, and proud of it. I call all the drama associated with current doctrine nothing more than a scam.
        Let’s face it, lack of money in the UN didn’t cause CO2 so how come paying money (and lots of it) to the UN will solve the so-called problem?
        
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        November 10, 2022 12:15pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      It’s always telling when a Right-wing politician uses Left-wing propaganda and terms of abuse against his own partisan side, especially when it’s rooted in the original term, “Holocaust Denier”. People who use such terms – meaning Lefties – know exactly what they’re doing with such terms, and there is nothing civil about it.
      
      Clearly the assumption is that the likes of KK are fringe enough that they can be dismissed while National harvests the votes of those who snigger at the term “Climate Denier”.
      
      I don’t think that’s a good bet when it comes to taking care of your own voters who are getting screwed by anti-AGW measures.
      
      But it may win National an election, and that’s all that counts apparently.
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:02pm
      - kowtow
        
        I see a recently minted denial is ;
        
        election denier .
        
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        November 10, 2022 12:56pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Yes. Like Mitt Romney and John McCain, the likes of Wayne are tougher on their own side than on their opponents.
        
        Of course that does bring to mind this old quote:
        
        The opposition occupies the benches in front of you, but the enemy sits behind you.
        
        And god knows that Churchill knew that deep in his bones after his experiences.
        
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        November 10, 2022 1:15pm
    - cmm
      
      “There won’t be too many National MPs who want to be associated with that”
      
      And therein lies the problem. Nobody in National wants to be seen probing for the truth any more (whichever side it lies).
      
      Instead they’d rather say what’s woke and just go along with it.
      
      Are we now at a stage where National is no longer ballsy enough to take on the big issues:
      * Climate change policy wrecking our economy/future.
      * A soft on crime system (from the cops through judges to corrections) emboldening crims and making Joe Punter’s life hell.
      *…
      
      No, rather just go woke with a slighty blue shade of Labour.
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:41pm
    - Jim
      
      Wrong think coupled with political cowardice Wayne, that’s all it is. It’s very sad that influential people don’t have the courage to objectively investigate the broad and plentiful scientific challenge to the IPCC doomsday modelling,
      
      Do you not think that if it were truly so, then based upon the very scale of emissions (in the given example of China) then the UN would need to demand immediate action……”to save the planet”
      
      No the UN just espouses just more centrist policies that weaken western democracies via ridiculous alarmism, that in time will demonstrate significant financial benefit went to the world’s most hypocritical corporate billionaires.
      
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      November 10, 2022 4:47pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Not cowardice, but simply following the science. The overwhelming scientific consensus is that humankind is causing accelerated climate change.
        I know that is not accepted by a significant number of Kiwibloggers, but it is accepted by National, and that is not going to change.
        My initial comment was made because KrazyKiwi had gone beyond just being a skeptic, to straight out denial. It went beyond any argument/debate that National could entertain.
        
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        November 10, 2022 5:23pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        ” The overwhelming scientific consensus is that humankind is causing accelerated climate change.”
        
        I agree with you :-). FWIW my views are:
        
        1. Climate change warrants efficient policies to reduce emissions. As a small country we simply cannot afford ruinous policy settings.
        
        2. The threat of climate change does not justify the current cult like response – and it has become a cult. There are many other problems that threaten humanity and the environment.
        
        3. “Climate change” has been hijacked by the left to bring down capitalism.
        
        4. “Climate change” is being hijacked by developing countries to extort billions in ‘reparations’ from developed countries.
        
        5. The climate change policies of the New Zealand Government are inefficient, ineffective, and could become ruinous before too long.
        
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        November 10, 2022 5:34pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      Can’t let this pass Wayne, you just illustrated very clearly what is wrong with National. They are Labour-lite and have surrendered their independent thinking to the trendy narrative. The label “climate denier” is a deliberate tool being used to close down the debate. I studied climate and here are two inconvenient facts to the narrative:
      
      1. If we look at longitudinal trends the climate is changing within standard deviation.
      
      2. The issue is then to ascertain what proportion of current climate change can be attributed to human activity – almost impossible to calculate.
      
      The far greater damage is being done through stupid policy lacking in a rational basis and trampling over people’s freedoms. Having witnessed covid lockdowns I predict the day is not that far in the future that the same tool will be used in the name of climate change. At very least I can see roadblocks for petrol vehicles. One day you’ll realise the value of maintaining a few independent thinkers like KK being amongst us and having the courage to express themselves.
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:38pm
      - Jim
        
        Exactly wilderbeast, with centrist UN/WEF overlords the west’s former democracies have now effectively become a one party state.
        
        As recently admitted at the WEF by the Google CEO, big tech is actively controlling the availability of climate data and science. So yes Orwellian wrongthink, even by credible scientists with an opposing view.
        
        Nothing to be concerned about there Wayne? Let’s hope they don’t have a Wuhan Lab oopsie type realisation in 25-50 years time, after your family has suffered economic downturn, mandated blackouts and travel restrictions (I suspect the lockdown term might be out of vogue).
        
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        November 11, 2022 5:31am
  - Jimbob
    
    I’m getting tired of explaining this climate crap, just have to keep pushing. When the eventual cold cycle gets into full swing, the game will be up.
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:25am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Don’t be so sure. I saw a story this year telling us that we’ll get more severe frost as a result of global warming.
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/14/waikato-blueberry-growers-heartbroken-as-frost-decimates-orchards/
      In this story there is a claim that we are seeing _more_ frosts. This flies in the face of other claims that we are already seeing fewer frosts.
      e.g.
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/indicators/frost-and-warm-days
      There is _nothing_ that ‘climate change’ cannot do. Dispute any of the claims and you are a ‘denier’
      It insanity if it all makes my head explode
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:00pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Its the new religion – Climate Change (alias warming) that has become tied to Humanistic Naturism where the earth is deified – Gaia, Pachamama, Papatuanuku etc. and our science & wellbeing is now tied to the benevolence of Taniwha.
        Chesterton was dead right – “When people do not believe in God, they don’t believe in Nothing – they believe in Anything.”
        And according to Matariki, our stars now have mystical spiritual powers.
        Expect the insanity increases until the Apocolypse.
        
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        November 10, 2022 12:12pm
    - Jim
      
      Nah the IPCC narrative is more extreme weather events, so they have every eventuality well covered.
      
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      November 10, 2022 7:22pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        Yes, and with so many clowns out there with smart phones taking a photo or video of every raindrop, snowflake, hail stone & tempest it’s very easy to “prove”. The increasing incidence of “extreme” weather events has risen suspiciously in line with the tide of social media
        
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        November 10, 2022 10:17pm
- surfing
  
  “man made climate change was an existential threat”
  
  That is overly alarmist. Only the crazies say this.
  
  CO2 is certainly going to cause warming and increased sea levels over the coming centuries/millenniums.
  
  I don’t subscribe to alarmist views that we’re going to be under water in 20 years time. Just the ice caps themselves would take thousands of years to melt.
  
  Humans will adapt as the melting will be slow.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:57am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    We are overdue for another big volcanic eruption which will stall the process for a couple of decades.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:54am
  - I remember when
    
    Is climate change a self fulfilling prophesy.
    If world temperatures rise, do they affect both minimum and maximum temperatures equally.
    Do freezing temperatures get affected first.
    Therefore no more, or less, frosts.
    Areas where freezing occurs slowly retreat and are smaller.
    Once started what stops it.
    
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    November 10, 2022 1:59pm
- Jim
  
  Simon, I can even see those quad vaxed fools being only too willing to participate in government mandated ‘climate blackout lockdowns’ (flattening the CO2 curve for the weekend to save the planet – whilst China chugs on unabated).
  
  I expect such useful idiots will judiciously police their neighbourhoods, just to ensure neighbours are playing monopoly, but aren’t running generators or driving anywhere. All this whilst simultaneously clapping the endeavours of politicians as they jet off to an opulent COP 35.
  
  Ohhhhh these foolish people can’t wait to follow orders and feel that virtuous power of saving lives (again).
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:06am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Sorry Simon Cindy believes China’s CO2 emission can be offset by a tax on kiwis earning over 100K. So get ready.
  
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  November 10, 2022 12:37pm
Yvette

In a Radio New Zealand website article – Christchurch’s Hillmorton Hospital in-patient mental health unit may close – there is an introductory sentence : Te Whatu Ora said the staffing situation for its inpatient extended care unit Tupuna was unsustainable. – without explaining what “Te Whatu Ora” is – in fact, “Health New Zealand”, which apparently you should by now know and be able to remember, so it is ‘stand-alone’.

I will admit that with “Oranga Tamariki” – Ministry for Children – when they ran the Maori name with the English after, I read some items, but they mostly were about Maori problems with that organisation, so in fact covered little that touched me because of personal circumstances and my own interests. Then it became just “Oranga Tamariki”, as it seemed to be given over entirely to Maori (they were also apparently the majority of clients), and I’d skip any article, but note it is now shortened to “OT”

But “Te Whatu Ora”, because of personal circumstances and my own interests, does effect me, but how much is the process – or even agenda – of having Maori / English, and then dropping any English support in meaning, going to hinder actual communication for many?

How many elderly non-Maori are able to handle in their mind what is the equivalent to a mental spell check process that just fucks up communication until you do just give up?
But, of course discussion of this is now verboten (forbidden, especially by an authority)
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November 10, 2022 8:13am
- Harry Knuts
  
  No amount of rebranding of these govt organisations will mean they will fix their problems. Most NZ’ers would, if asked, hope that the millions it cost in rebranding that that money was spent on actual funding of services in that organisation instead.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:29am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is interesting that when things get serious, the Maori name is dropped. Kàinga Ora has raised many billions by issuing bonds in international capital markets. In the prospectus you see no mention of “Kàinga Ora”. They are issued through a subsidiary “Housing New Zealand Limited”.
  
  Back to health. If we are going to have a racially divided health system, surely it makes sense for the Maori system to have a Maori name, and the one for everyone else to have an English Language name, perhaps with a secondary Chinese name? 🙂 But to also give that authority a Maori name is bullshit, surely?
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Shouldn’t we wait for the CCP takeover to institute Chinese names? Or should we be attempting to curry favour early?
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:34am
  - Hebe123
    
    No BY. The “everyone else” system is also for Maori as well as whiteys and others so obvs it needs a MAori name.
    
    I thought you’d been here long enough to see the obvious!
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:38am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Ben Yu the whole mixture of the two languages is bullshit. I lived in Belgium for many years where two languages competed for dominance or at the very least equal representation. Separate language tv stations, dual place names where both languages had their own name universities conducted in Flemish or French depending on their location newspapers and so on but never an engineered top down attempt to mix the two . Why? Simple both sets of speakers valued the integrity of their own language and respected that the same of the other. What is being attempted in this country is just cringe worthy and shows that our governments respect for the languages of its citizens is a one way street. What could possibly go wrong.
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:49am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Thanks – yes I have used Belgium as an example when arguing against a Maori-English hybrid language. Imagine what would happen in Belgium if, during a French language radio program, the narrator broke into Flemish and then back to French. There would be a riot. Because it would be idiotic.
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:19am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Add Canada to your list of two languages not mixed.
        
        Interesting to note. South Africa has 11 National Languages
        
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        November 10, 2022 2:08pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I saw a trotting race from Montreal where the commentator’s commentary alternated between English and French every 200 metres.
      I asked a Maori mate if he could do that every 2oo metres at the Otaki Maori races, but, of course, in Maori and English. No way! he said.
      
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      November 10, 2022 10:19am
    - Jack5
      
      Belgium’s twin language regime, as pointed out by poster Stellaboxer, isn’t what Maori want in NZ.
      
      Proof: Wily Willie Jackson’s coup in Maori takeover of Radio NZ, and now planned extension to incorporate TVNZ into it.
      
      Maori have a network of their own tribal radio stations, and their own TV channels, but they want to Maorify all NZ radio and TV.
      
      Unlike Belgium’s parallel systems, for Maori it’s a case of what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is half-mine.
      
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      November 10, 2022 10:52am
  - G152
    
    It helps identify the racists when they dont bother with the English translation
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:56am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Couple of things when I see all this Maori signage everywhere
  – If there is no English translation I figure it’s not aimed at me, so it’s some kind of service for Maori.
  – If it is meant to be a service not just aimed at Maori, but there is no Rnglish translation then it’s pretty fricken disrespectful.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:33am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Languages die because they no longer describe the contemporary world. This is illustrated very well by the continuing attempt to expand the Māori language by making up new vocabulary out of a base that only needed to describe a Neolithic world. Most modern languages developed over centuries and the process was and continues to be organic not made up by a few academics over a period of a decade or so. What is happening now with the Māori language is like Esperanto and unlikely to actually come into general use apart from virtue signalling woke types. At the end of the day any language is simply a code to communicate thought and if the majority of people that you are trying to communicate with don’t understand it it’s not going to work especially when there is an alternative that most already do understand. IMHO
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:10am
    - Paulus
      
      Thought that Maori only had something like 80 types of Words, but of course dialectic by different Iwi.
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:43am
- graham
  
  Seeing this more and more when I watch the news or read the Herald. Maori placenames, descriptors, and words are being used without any explanation as to what they mean. It seems that there is an unspoken agreement in the media that not only will they use Maori words, but they will use them in a manner that implies “everybody” knows what they mean; and if you don’t, well, you’re just ignorant or racist. It’s YOUR fault that you can’t understand what’s being said.
  
  The fact that the vast majority of people living in New Zealand have never learned Maori, plus the fact that we have a large immigrant population for whom English is a second language, seems to be brushed over without a second thought. I was speaking to a colleague yesterday who mentioned that he had to mentally translate from English to Hindi in order to understand some words. I can only imagine what it must be like for him if he has to translate from Maori to English to Hindi …
  
  It really is quite bizarre, and has a feeling of “The Emperor’s New Clothes” about it. Everybody knows it’s nonsensical, but either convince themselves that “it’s the right thing to do”, or keep quiet about it because we know full well that to even mention these issues is to invite ridicule and that dreaded accusation of “RACIST”.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:45am
  - Ruawai
    
    I was thinking about RNZ this morning, when their main listeners are probably over 55’s of European descent why do they persist in delivering so much content in Maori. Surely you target your customer base. I now only listen to ZB even though it is full of ads as Corin Dann is also so one sided without any pretense of balanced reporting as well as much reporting in Maori I cannot understand.
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:29am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Ruawai bro – I hope by now you have realised Corin Dann is a resident commie and a card carrying member of Labour. He and John Campbell could be part of Labour list any time of the day.
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:40pm
      - Paulus
        
        And the new addition to Morning Report is Marnie Dunlop the new fiance of the Minister of Justice Kiriatapu Allen, recently divorced.
        Both inner Maori and of course Lesbian.
        
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        November 10, 2022 1:55pm
    - Lexicon
      
      Even RNZ Concert, that last bastion of fine English language in New Zealand (and mostly excellent classical music programming), has succumbed to insertions of te reo. It sounds off-key in the Concert context. Some of the hosts may struggle with their te reo pronunciation but persist they do, as per requirements these days. It’s irritating that the jarring note of indoctrination has now penetrated this tranquil refuge from mainstream broadcasting’s language lecturing of its audience.
      
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      November 10, 2022 2:09pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Surely you target your customer base.”
      
      Only if there is a relationship between your revenue and your audience size and composition.
      
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      November 10, 2022 5:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What does Te Whatu Ora translate as?
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:46am
  - Yvette
    
    Maggy, Te Whatu Ora – Health New Zealand
    
    But don’t worry –
    Ekde la 31-a de junio venontjare, por eviti multoblajn lingvajn problemojn, ĉiuj registaraj departementoj estos konataj per siaj Esperantaj nomoj, el emblemoj, leterkapoj kaj amaskomunikiloj.
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      According to google translate:
      Te Whatu Ora – The living eye
      
      and Health New Zealand – Hauora Aotearoa.
      
      Most folks around here are familiar with the word Hauora as meaning health…. Gisborne Hospital is called Hauora Tairawhiti.
      
      But Whatu is the problem…
      It means (as a noun):
      stone
      kernel
      eye
      victim
      
      (or as a verb)
      weave
      
      according to Williams: A dictionary of the Maori Language.
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:12am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        LOL victim….yes, probably
        
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        November 10, 2022 10:22am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        “What a tangled web we whatu,
        When first we practise to deceive”
        It doesn’t rhyme.
        
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        November 10, 2022 10:23am
  - Taieri
    
    What does Te Whatu Ora translate as?
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    Google Translate renders it as “Live Eye”.
    
    But it could really mean anything Humpty Dumpty decides…
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:27am
  - Ghost
    
    I believe the correct translation is “fucked health system don’t bother coming in we won’t be able to treat you, our staff are all moving to Australia! Have a nice day”
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Spot on
      
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      November 10, 2022 10:01am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Maggy – That means -“You are not wanted here”. Get the drift?
    
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    November 10, 2022 12:41pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is not only “elderly non-Maori” who cannot follow hybrid English Maori language communication. Most New Zealanders of all ages have difficulty. In the case of Chinese New Zealanders, it is an annoying buzzing noise that they shut out.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:49am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I suspect it’s an annoying buzzing noise for _most_ NZers, not just the Chinese variety.
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:53am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Haven’t got to Maori mathematics…… yet! That’s where all this crap will fade away over time. Let’s see if they can come up with simple equation and then prove the reality behind the result.
  Solution for 484 is what percent of 582:
  484:582*100 =
  (484*100):582 =
  48400:582 = 83.16
  Now we have: 484 is what percent of 582 = 83.16
  Question: 484 is what percent of 582?
  Percentage solution with steps:
  Step 1: We make the assumption that 582 is 100% since it is our output value.
  Step 2: We next represent the value we seek with x
  Step 3: From step 1, it follows that 100\%=582.
  Step 4: In the same vein, x\%=484.
  Step 5: This gives us a pair of simple equations:
  100\=582(1).
  x\%=484(2).
  Step 6: By simply dividing equation 1 by equation 2 and taking note of the fact that both the LHS
  (left hand side) of both equations have the same unit (%); we have
  \frac{100\%}{x\%}=\frac{582}{484}
  Step 7: Taking the inverse (or reciprocal) of both sides yields
  \frac{x\%}{100\%}=\frac{484}{582}
  \Rightarrow x=83.16\%
  Therefore, 484 is 83.16\% of 582.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:23am
  - Its only I
    
    Fancy.
    But Maori did not have written language so your fancy squiggly picture doesn’t mean anything.
    Maori couldn’t make metal so a calculator is out of the question.
    Maori could not make pottery so volume of stuff wasn’t a thing.
    The spoils of war were not divided out based on fancy percentages, they just stood the food next to each other, the tallest went to the alpha and so on down the line.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:55am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “Maori could not make pottery ..”
      
      That is surprising. New Zealand has high quality clay in Northland suitable for pottery.
      
      https://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/resources/1771-what-is-clay
      
      There is coal that could have been used for kilns.
      
      It just seems odd.
      
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      November 10, 2022 5:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, the first folk into the Pacific – the Lapita people had a pottery culture… but the knowledge was lost as Western Polynesia began to be settled… and there is no evidence of pottery /ceramics in East Polynesia prehistory.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapita_culture
        
        (Quite a few other things are missing… no bow & arrow culture, no pigs, no chooks)
        
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        November 10, 2022 8:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        …no bow & arrow culture, no pigs, no chooks …
        
        No wheel?
        
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        November 10, 2022 8:58pm
  - Sacha
    
    @ BD – Are you kidding?
    That’s all Maori to me.
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:17am
Chris Nisbet

I guess China planted some spies into Canada’s parliament because they wanted some tips on how to be an effective authoritarian power.
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November 10, 2022 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  The relative silence from our msm on these shenanigans screams aloud msm omission.
  
  Constant stories about “Russian” interference , when it originates from Democrat strategists but so little on a very real threat .
  
  We’ve had/ have it here .The Australians had one of those “police stations” operating in Sydney which given the implications are surely of way more import than say an Old Testament tweet by a rugby player and yet our MSM went on and on about that for ages and dragged his Missus and all and sundry into it.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:22am
Bobba Fret

Has Chris Trotter become a hard right winger because the left seem to be out for his blood, as he has apparently criticized the Labour party! Great entertainment seeing them feed on one of their own.
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November 10, 2022 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No, Trotter is now a homeless leftie, having rejected both Labour and the Greens as too totalitarian during his interview with Sean Plunket earlier in the week.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:18am
- burt
  
  No, it’s just his normal MO. If you have been watching Trotter over the years you will notice he always does a few articles and blog posts about a year out from the election where he bags Labour.
  
  Re-read his posts and articles carefully, he’s playing games with your head. What he is doing, and has always done, at this stage of the electoral cycle is seem negative as he weaves his word smithery to try make you think your own opinion is that although Labour have issues they are still the best choice.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:52am
  - Im Right
    
    HBurt….Trotter lives in the past, ALL his posts/writings gets thrown back to ‘the good old days’ and he name drops incessantly the Labour MPs/Ministers who he either worked with or admired (both?).
    His aging mind only harks back to a time in NZ politics that is long gone and buried and indeed tries to match up what Labour (the left in general) are now to back then.
    He seems to have willfully totally ignored that the political/social and voters expectations are now like chalk n cheese comparing the two to his halcyon memories of politics.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:06am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Hmm, I’ve mostly found Trotters articles to be an interesting read. I tend not to agree with a chunk of what he says, but at least he thinks about it and isn’t entirely rabid. I’m all for civil discourse and Trotter is one of those that undertakes it.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:14am
- Philview
  
  I quite often don’t agree with his thoughts but the quality of article is always in a different league compared to say Stuff opinion articles.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:20am
RockyJ

Gaslighting a nation. Gaslighting is a form of abuse that causes a victim to question their sanity.

Ever feel like the government and media are doing this to you? In a paywalled Herald article David Fisher explores the reason why so many of us kiwis are angry. According to Fisher its nothing to do with any government action and all to do with social media misinformation. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-fisher-why-we-are-so-angry-and-what-it-means-for-election-year/OFQZLONKYZDYXLSIMQMKEQLXGA/

Fisher quotes Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern “disinformation corrodes the foundation of liberal democracy”. This is rich coming from her given that she corrupted the media with a $55million bribe via the Public Interest Journalism Fund.

Apparently the causes of our anger are Ukraine, the mosque attack, White Island and Covid, all things which the government did not cause. Governmental failures to achieve targets, health sector failures, CRT in schools, enforced reductions in sheep, beef and dairy production and cogovernance- Three Waters, He Puapua et al, are apparently irrelevant.

Fisher then quotes five experts. Four are from government funded agencies: the SIS, the Disinformation Project, The Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism and The Fixated Threats Assessment Centre. They all agree, it’s social media. Four government agencies watching us and they think we are paranoid!

Four agencies watching us. Dictators set up rival departments doing overlapping work and pit them against each other. They will have to find some radicals or invent them.

The kicker is when the author quotes a clinical psychologist. This is the cruelest cut. We are all suffering from projection, misdirecting anger at events over which the government had no control onto the government.

I am sick of being told what I think and why I think it.
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November 10, 2022 8:15am
- Ehlana
  
  No, I am not angry at a volcano for erupting. Or at a virus for spreading itself. It would make as much sense to be angry at the sun for rising.
  
  As for the mosque shooter and the situation in Ukraine, my whole life people have justified the wrongs they do to others by claiming that they have been wronged too. The fact that the people they are hurting are not the people responsible for hurting them has never stopped them yet. Sadly, I don’t expect that to change soon.
  
  I do still get angry at people who claim moral superiority and can’t see their own hypocrisy. Something about attending to the log in their own eye before worrying about the splinter in mine comes to mind.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:22am
- Harry Knuts
  
  “Apparently the causes of our anger are Apparently the causes of our anger are Ukraine, the mosque attack, White Island and Covid, all things which the government did not cause. and Covid, all things which the government did not cause.”
  Fisher is speaking about himself and no one else. I definitely am not angry about Ukraine, White Island & Mosque attack. Covid – not angry, just disappointed in the govt management and response. Being angry at the Covid virus is just ludicrous.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:22am
  - Taieri
    
    I definitely am not angry about (…), White Island
    ————-
    
    I am. Very, very angry.
    The Government should have passed a law preventing such things from happening.
    There’re precedents such as Climate Change Prevention laws for example. If the Government can prevent Climate Change it can and must also prevent volcanic eruptions.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Gaslighting. Avoiding it is easy. If you think it is shit, don’t let it into your head, just dismiss it.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:06am
- crikey
  
  The biggest peddlers of misinformation and disinformation are Ardern, her government and their acolytes. Spreading articles such as Fisher’s is their attempt to change the narrative for the general election away from 5 years (becoming 6) of incompetence, deceit and failure. They’re in full swing. I smell an early election, perhaps on the bounce from the honeymoon period of a new Labour leader.
  
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  November 10, 2022 12:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    New leader? Who Wood that be?
    
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    November 10, 2022 2:38pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Mod – that case has name suppression, if you want a ban let me know]
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:24pm
Tony Stuart

We know that New Zealand’s dairy production is the most carbon-efficient in the world. Now Ag Research has declared our red meat production is also among the most carbon-efficient in the world.

https://beeflambnz.com/news-views/important-new-research-nz-beef-and-lamb-carbon-footprint

It begs the question of course. If our dairy and red meat sectors, major export earners, are so carbon-efficient, why is the Government so determined to enact a jihad against our farmers, who are more than doing their bit? The government is, quite literally, biting the hand that feeds it.

And kudos to Beef and Lamb New Zealand, who have put out a graphic this morning saying that you could eat red meat twice a week for a year, and emissions would only be the same as ONE passenger’s return flight from Christchurch to Auckland:

https://twitter.com/BeefLambNZ/status/1590394273132081152

It makes one wonder; how many years of beef and lamb consumption will James Shaw and his entourage emit on his jaunt to the climate conference in Egypt tomorrow? Likewise; the PM is taking a business delegation to Vietnam at the weekend, along with meetings in Cambodia and Thailand; what will the beef and lamb equivalent to that be?
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November 10, 2022 8:16am
- Tricati
  
  There is also research now that indicated the use of GWP 100 isn’t as accurate as GWP * (Star), and if GWP* is applied, then the majority of farms in NZ are carbon neutral, if not positive.
  Suspect Climate commission and Government aren’t to keen on applying the new standard.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:24am
- kowtow
  
  30 to 40 000 “delegates” .
  
  The carbon footprint must be astronomical. Not to mention the security bill as the Sinai’s dangerous and not under proper govt control.
  
  Saw a story where the organisers are struggling to feed them all and they’re whinging about can’t get this or that .
  
  Good ,cos it’s a foretaste of the real world starvation and deprivation their policies will produce.
  
  But it won’t stop ’em.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:26am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Sharm el Shiek is the Arab playground for the rich and Famous.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:22am
    - Taieri
      
      Sharm el Shiek is the Arab playground for the rich and Famous
      —————
      
      Do you expect conferences of such importance to take place in Balclutha? Or Tokoroa? The Delegates have to have suitable facilities fitting their station in life to discuss the issues of such a great importance.
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Every year this UN conference, among others, gets larger – great for the UN organisers and the places they choose.
    Hotels and places vie for it at more costs ( and backhanders) than the Olympic Games which only every four years.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:49am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hypocrites, every last stinking one of them
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:31pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Of course it is worse because if we reduce our beef and lamb exports by between 20 and 50 percent, which is quite possible, other exporters will snap up that market share. So global emissions will increase.
  
  Two years back I made that very point to a public servant who was advising the government on climate change. His reply was “Those other countries would not do that because they also care about climate change”. 🤡 🤥
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:36am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Well to be fair they do not eat beef in India and they do eat alot of anything in China//
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      India is the World’s 5th largest consumer of beef.
      
      It consumed 2.5 million tonnes of beef & veal in 2021.
      
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/826722/india-beef-and-veal-consumption/
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:21am
      - Jack5
        
        Devout Hindus may not be supposed to eat beef, but there are nearly 200 million Muslims in India, about 32 million Christians, and about 30 million Sikhs (big folk whose religion doesn’t prohibit them from eating beef).
        
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        November 10, 2022 11:39am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Indeed. And devout Hindus have killed Muslims in retaliation for them killing cows 😕
        
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        November 10, 2022 4:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is precisely what the left just can’t comprehend. Reduce herd size creates a void in the export market. That void is quickly filled by a Country that is not as efficient as NZ, so yes, the emissions increase. It is very simple.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:14am
    - MCōs
      
      NZ is the world’s 37th largest producer of beef and about 8th for milk; about 10% of the top country USA.
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:31pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        How does that work out as a percentage of GDP?
        
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        November 10, 2022 2:40pm
- nathie
  
  Paris Agreement Article 2 (b) states:
  
  (b) Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;
  
  Time for the Urban Liberal Elite to leave our farmers alone!
  
  Anyway enough of me, read the views from an expert instead and who also explains (Labour/Greens) “doing something” will have a number of negative unintended consequences:
  
  https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/dairy-news/dairy-opinion/stop-restricting-food-production
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:48am
  - nathie
    
    Also https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/ makes for better and more informative reading than the likes of Stuff’s pro-climate change/anti-farming science propaganda!
    
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    November 10, 2022 8:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I went to the Christchurch Agricultural Show today. First time. Was really interesting seeing all the varieties of cattle and sheep. What struck me was the pride that the farmers showed and the care that gave to the animals. We spoke to a farmer who was showing some rams. He won a ‘best in show award’. He told us that he sleeps on a camp bed next to them each night during the show.
    
    We should treasure these people. Yet they are being regulated and taxed to despair, and in many cases to oblivion.
    
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    November 10, 2022 5:58pm
- cmm
  
  Why are they doing it?
  
  Because they are only interested in putting on a show for their mates overseas.
  
  Bugger the facts of the matter. Facts are hard to process. Feelz are everything!
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:54am
- Its only I
  
  Unfortunately the red tinted lens….
  First:
  Discredit those bringing the information to the table.
  Typical farmers looking out for farmers.
  
  Second:
  Discredit the information itself.
  Nope you’re wrong, cause reasons.
  
  Third:
  Play on emotions and seed the idea of good and evil..
  Farmers want to kill the planet for profit what’s more important, money or a planet to live one?…..
  
  Fourth:
  Associate your biggest threat with the evil.
  National are funded by the farmers donations, National are stuck in the past ,the world has moved on from boring old stale……
  
  Fith: Sound like you’re the one fighting the evil while doing nothing.
  Well, at least Labour are talking about it, National just ignored it, nine years of…
  
  Looking the polls I think those red lens glasses have slipped down to the end of many swing voters noses…lets hope they fall off…. the short sighted f#cks.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are starting to think like Jaspinda.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:17am
    - Its only I
      
      Steve
      There are a lot of ways to insult someone, but…shyt oh dear, that one is rough.
      
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      November 10, 2022 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It was not an insult – more on the satire side.
        Insult to Jaspinda, yes!
        
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        November 10, 2022 1:46pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  History dictates that Morticia flays the farmers mercilessly because they sustain the populace and are a threat. Stalin managed to create a famine in the Ukraine in the 1930’s. A global depression didn’t help….we have a very similar scenario with the Ukraine and oil prices right now. Any coincidence here?
  “In the years 1932 and 1933, a catastrophic famine swept across the Soviet Union. It began in the chaos of collectivization, when millions of peasants were forced off their land and made to join state farms”
  Isn’t the planting of pine trees for carbon credits going to do the same thing? This is destroying arable land and force farmers off their land in NZ
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And more recently..
    
    The Sri Lankan government decreed that all chemical fertilisers would be banned…
    
    https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/fertiliser-ban-decimates-sri-lankan-crops-government-popularity-ebbs-2022-03-03/
    
    That didn’t work out too well.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:04am
    - Master Mariner
      
      But they did have the highest ESG score for any country of 96 //.
      Got to be worth something?
      Obviously not too the Sri Lankans.
      Same scorched Earth policy here in NZ.
      
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      November 10, 2022 10:46am
- krazykiwi
  
  To herald the ‘carbon efficiency’ of our diary industry is to accept the lie that ‘carbon efficiency’ is a materially important.
  
  It isn’t.
  
  It is a lie, built on a lie.
  
  The very premise must be thrown out.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:54am
  - Taieri
    
    the lie that ‘carbon efficiency’ is a materially important.
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    Not sure about the importance of “carbon efficiency”.
    Carbon on the other hand is extremely important as it is essential to life.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Carbon is life.
      
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      November 10, 2022 10:53am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Quite. It feeds the plants without which life would cease. It formed the very rock that sheltered cave dwellers, and the rock into which skyscraper’s foundations are sunk.
        
        Our civilization is built and sustained by Co2.
        
        But people like Wayne will call it a pollutant if that helps with some votes.
        
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        November 10, 2022 11:35am
      - Dave
        
        But strangely, my very similar comment last week to my wife as she critically examined the roasted potatoes and kumaras I had just significantly over-cooked, didn’t impress her at all.
        
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        November 10, 2022 4:52pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        My bones are made out of carbon. Well, calcium carbonate, anyway.
        
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        November 10, 2022 9:34pm
- westernScientist
  
  Not just agresearch, although they did the work. MPI funded the work through the SFFF, Sustainable Food and Fibre Futures program….
  
  The program:
  “SFF Futures supports problem-solving and innovation in New Zealand’s food and fibre sector by co-investing in initiatives that make a positive and lasting difference.”
  
  Sounds like they found the solution to the problem they made up, unfortunately they wont read it.
  
  The paper is here:
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195925522002128
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Not only that, but at COP they stated NZ red meat sector is emissions neutral, so you have to ask why this rotten Marxist regime is pushing 40% of sheep and beef farmers off the land.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:27pm
Lee C

I decided today, instead of coming here for a bit of a bitch and a whine, I’d put out a sentiment that has been brewing for a while.

I’d like to shout out my deep appreciationg for all of those who fought and continue to fight the ‘good fight’ here and elsewhere.

Those who don’t won’t even know what the ‘good fight’ is.

Thos who do, I shan’t name, but you know who you are, and I’d like you to know I have huge respect and kinship with you.

Kia Ora.
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November 10, 2022 8:25am
- Hebe123
  
  Ditto. It’s been great being able to come to a place where we are not the tiny minority AND the fighters are intelligent, articulate and well informed.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:42am
- Observer of Life
  
  LeeC: Agree 1000%
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Kiwiblog is a wealth of information from the comments.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our growing cultural report industry:

“These reports have created a cottage industry within our justice system. The cost of producing them has increased from $865,000 in 2019 to more than $6,000,000 in 2021.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00076/cultural-report-cottage-industry-doesnt-fit-victim-centric-approach.htm
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November 10, 2022 8:27am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Gone are the days where an offender’s background was somewhat considered after the sentence as to how they ended up there. Now it’s being used as sob-stories to get lighter sentences. This is giving the offender a victim position more so than the actual victim. In the end the offender sees no real consequences of their actions.
  NZ’s justice system is getting softer by the day.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:38am
- cmm
  
  Who is paying that $6M? I suspect the taxpayer.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:56am
  - Ehlana
    
    You surely don’t expect the poor victims of oppression and colonialism to pay for it, do you?
    
    (For clarity, I’m referring here to the victims who committed the crimes. That the people on the receiving end of their criminal actions might also be considered “poor victims of oppression and colonialism” is, of course, both irrelevant and racist.)
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:49am
- mandk
  
  In the immortal words of Del Boy Trotter:
  “Lovely Jubbly”
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:10am
- Dave
  
  Clearly doesn’t fit the victim-centric approach, as cultural reports undermine two of the commonly accepted functions of jail – deterrence and separating predators from the general public.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:42am
  - cmm
    
    But, but, but,… the criminals are victims too….
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:22am
Warren

Labour again throwing money at a problem that the major power’s of the world continually don’t support, but one that Jacinda Ardern had to because she to had neglected her promises to the voters that vote for her.
I know 20 million is not a lot of Money to give to a world organization but wouldn’t it be fairer if everyone does the same, but no Our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is facing the rage of the voter so is buying them with millions of dollars to fix every whim and want just to stay in power.
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November 10, 2022 8:27am
Maggy Wassilieff

40% of NZ’s school children do not attend school regularly.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/11/why-children-are-missing-school-more-in-new-zealand-than-other-countries.html
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November 10, 2022 8:35am
- Tricati
  
  Hipkins in parliament yesterday blamed 9 years of National for the falling education standards, but suspect its more to do with kids not going to school – And that’s under his watch.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:40am
  - Nickc2
    
    Hipkins has had five years with the Education Portfolio and has done eff all. Maybe even his Mummy has run out of ideas?
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:08am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      He will just blame Covid and 9 years of neglect.
      
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      November 10, 2022 9:21am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Apparently, the attendance is worse than it was in the covid stricken 2021 when Auckland had lock downs.
        
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        November 10, 2022 9:30pm
- plc
  
  We know the reason that they don’t attend school….colonization
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    When i was at school, one empty seat in the morning was seen as a serious crime. they virtually sent the search party out, very really was there an empty seat
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:32pm
- Hebe123
  
  For the bright ones with good parenting I doubt it matters or is even positive – they just miss hours per week of indoctrination.
  
  As a kid I always had my orthodontist appointments on a particular afternoon which, at my high school, was devoted – every week – to practicing Maori welcomes for visiting sports teams. You know, the ones where the girls stand in the back and sway their arms. Even with missing lots of those, some 40 years later I still remember the Maori songs, not that I’ve ever known what they mean.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:47am
- Prince
  
  Tick, tick, tick.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:58am
- cmm
  
  Worse is the definition of “attend school regularly”.
  
  When you or I were at school then someone wagging school one day a fortnight would be considered a problem.
  
  Now they would be in the group of “attends school regularly”.
  
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  November 10, 2022 8:58am
- Random T Person
  
  Heh. Screw those losers. my 9 year old has just finished his first literary classic (The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway) and has started technical drawing as he is very interested in cars, motorbikes and design.
  Got a full set of Charles Dickens on the way, as well as all James Herriot’s books.
  While the snots skip school, my boys will be getting ahead every single day.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:18am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    RTP
    
    Most 9 year olds in NZ would be hard pressed to read Noddy or Thomas the Tank Engine.
    
    Good on your son. ” It was the best of times and the worst of times..” 1st lines of a “Tale of two Cities”
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:53am
    - Random T Person
      
      Cheers Fighting Tem; JMW Turner is part of the heritage, too ;-).
      
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      November 10, 2022 11:43am
    - Taieri
      
      Most 9 year olds in NZ would be hard pressed to read Noddy or Thomas the Tank Engine.
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      Doesn’t matter, as long as they can name their gender all is well…
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:41pm
    - crikey
      
      RTP: Correctly, “ It was the best of times, it was the worst of times…”.
      
      First sentence:
      “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way–in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.” A Tale of Two Cities
      
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      November 10, 2022 1:00pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Should get him to read the The Song of Ilium. Best thing to read to learn all there is to know about humanity. The Samuel Butler translation is ok.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:20am
    - Random T Person
      
      He does have an interest in the classics, spurred on by a set of Asterix books.
      
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      November 10, 2022 11:43am
  - quarterpack
    
    Excellent work… Loved A Good Keen Man, Barry Crump when I was a kid I first read Hemingway in my thirties and was found his writing quite gutsy and down to earth, probabaly ideal for the young mind.
    
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    November 10, 2022 12:23pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yes, but “regularly” means anything more than a week off. My wife and I used to take the kids out of school for up to 4 weeks (straddling school holidays) to go on our long Europe jaunts. They learned more about history and people in 6-8 weeks than they did in a year at school. 2 years after they visited Pompeii and Herculaneum, my oldest studied them at college. She was beside herself as she had been there and we had our own guide who explained the whole lot to them in terms that they understood and that kept them engaged. She literally stood in front of the class and gave them a lesson on Pompeii, with photos.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:21am
  - cmm
    
    People like your family are not the problem. They are also far from typical.
    
    Most wagging, whether or not encouraged by parents, does not result in useful educational outcomes.
    
    Here are some stats:
    * Maori are the worst waggers (over 70% wag school).
    * Maori at Maori medium schools wag worse than Maori at English medium schools. Clearly teaching in Maori does not help engagement.
    * Decile and wagging correlate perfectly. Decile 1 are the worst waggers.
    
    https://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/statistics/attendance
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:48am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Years from now the 40 percent will live off of income from kids like my son who goes to school and does his homework etc.
  
  Naturally, my kid will be told it’s his fault the 40 percent need all his money.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:34am
- Taieri
  
  40% of NZ’s school children do not attend school regularly.
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  Which appears to be reflected in the intellectual quality of many Members of the current Parliament.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:03am
virtualmark

Elon Musk buying Twitter is looking more and more like Alan Bond buying the Nine Network.

Someone’s going to interview Jack Dorsey in a few years time and he’s going to say “Well, you only get one Elon Musk in your lifetime”.
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November 10, 2022 8:35am
- kevn
  
  @virt… Like how Toll saw it when cullen was buying NZR.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That was a lowlife thing to do. Empty the cupboard.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:28am
- peterwn
  
  Or Gina Rinehart buying into Fairfax (SMH, The Age etc) and wanting a Board seat (which she did not get). She wanted to try and influence the editorial stance on mining.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:52am
  - virtualmark
    
    Gina’s not really that successful with her reputation polishing is she?
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:36am
- Ra Henare
  
  Elon Musk bought 200+ million “”followers””
  He is monetizing Twitter.
  
  Think Wechat.
  Its a bank, a booking, system, a chatshow, a video service. (Remember Musk started Paypal)
  
  So a huge leap ahead with a jumpstart of 200+ million prospects he can promote to AT NO COST.!!!
  
  Broaden your thinking and you will be way better off than thinking about the past!
  
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  November 10, 2022 2:17pm
I remember when

3 Waters:
If the Treaty was meant to give Maori
ownership of rivers and water, is it not strange that it was overlooked in Article 2.
Land, Forests and Fisheries but no mention of oceans, rivers or water other than rights to use of it.
As rivers were a means of tranport at the time it seems strange that they were overlooked.
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November 10, 2022 8:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Also the UN indigenous vote that was signed by virtually every nation in the world, was nothing to do with taking over the running of a country
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:35pm
I remember when

The newsreader said that the signs of climate change were everywhere.
Will the Government be producing signs in Maori to meet their Treaty obligations?
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November 10, 2022 8:48am
- Taieri
  
  The newsreader said that the signs of climate change were everywhere.
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  There are.
  I noticed that yesterday was sunny and warm down here. Today is cloudy and much cooler. Could even be raining soon…
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:04am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The main sign of climate change is idiots everywhere.
  
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  November 10, 2022 12:56pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Climate change is everywhere alright, even the Antarctic continent, this winder has been the second coldest on record.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:36pm
ClanMcleod

El Gato malo posing on the US midterms. Noting that the talked about “red wave* is more of a ripple. The post talks about how most people vote on tribal lines.

….. there is an old political adage that generally dominates:

“you can’t beat something with nothing.”
and with a few notable exceptions, the GOP pretty much ran “nothing” and this matters because US politics is mostly about inertia and “nothing goes nowhere.”

I would say that it is a very similar situation in NZ. I understand Luxon and National not wanting to rock the boat, but he has the potential to destroy Labour for a decade of he would stand on principle.

the dominant structural outcome of a 2 party system is competing hostage situations where each party casts itself as “saving” its constituency from “the other guys doing terrible things.”

Exactly what is happening here in NZ.

As the author notes re the demolition job by De Santis in Florida:

people voted for courage, vision, and character.

go find some or get used to losing.

the absolute red rout in florida is telling. districts that NEVER go red went red because there was a leader. there was a vision. and there was a brave guy who stood tall and faced down the whole rest of the country and the federal government along with it to protect the rights of floridians.

….. for anything to change, we need to do better.

there was no plan this cycle, no vision, no simple “here’s what i’ll do stated as a direct attainable positive.”

there needs to be a path back from “gormless opposition” to “actual effective defender of people and rights.”

The GOP had no clear vision. National at this stage of the cycle in NZ appear to be the same. The plan seems to be that labour are shit and leave them to it. It might get a win but it certainly isn’t inspirational.
The author asks a relevant question re the strategy.

how, in the post covid world, this opportunity to stand up for balanced budgets, personal freedom, liberty not lockdown, and school choice not “schools choose what’s best for you” went begging simply baffles me

Read the whole article Mr Luzon post attention to what it is saying.
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November 10, 2022 9:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Couple of typos in there but got some reason I read denied permission to edit it? Apologies.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:06am
- Opie
  
  Interestingly Florida is the state with the lowest educational decline in the US.
  
  Why? Because the recognised that keeping schools open was kind of important during the “pandemic” and came with little risk.
  
  So they got better educational outcomes and no worse health outcomes even with an aging population…
  
  The reward for common sense leadership? De santis romps in.
  
  Guys like him are one of the few beacons of hope left for society.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:17am
  - Don Beckett
    
    The other point is, of course, that many of the Hispanic voters are Cuban exiles, and know comunism/Democrats when they see them. Also, many business & centre right voters have moved to Florida from other blue states, as well as to Texas.
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Even though the GOP will win the house by quite a bit, the senate looks closer to the GOP today, Nevada now well under control with the GOP, and Arizona will see the GOP candidate surge like Nevada for the same reason, in the states they are calling the score 49-48, because the DEMs did not even put up a candidate and the vote is between two republicans, so that makes it 49, plus Nevada and ARizona 51 fr the gOP, and they say a run off always goes GOP, so that makes 52.
  
  Now i dont know if people realise that the DEMs won in 2020 all 3 parts of the election, i would have thought if the gOP gets both the house and the senate then that is a very good win.
  
  For the record, the GOP wanted to bring back oil self sufficiency, they want their southern border closed shut, they want the police re-financed, where people say they have no plan.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:46pm
Maggie's partner

In order to distract our attention from her own failures and dangerous ideology, Jacinda Ardern has identified a common enemy we can all hate and focus our negative attentions on – banks.
I wonder at what point will she suggest bankers wear a yellow star?
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November 10, 2022 9:06am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Perhaps Cindy should now wonder how well she will be received at a bank when asking for a loan. Perhaps she will get the complaint interest rate.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:27am
- Ruahine
  
  I do hope for their sake that all of these bankers have been ‘vaccinated’ at least twice or they better really watchout.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:29am
- Paulus
  
  I am happy for my Bank – one of the big four, to have a strong Balance Sheet to be vested with good profits.
  Our Pension funds, over many years, have been secured by this knowledge.
  They are safe and sound with no speculative investments.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:53am
- Swifty
  
  First the petrol companies, then the supermarkets, now the banks.
  
  It’s all so blatant and predictable – to point us at supposed evil doers.
  
  Now to mention utterly deceitful.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:02am
  - Taieri
    
    First the petrol companies, then the supermarkets, now the banks
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    Comrade Stalin identified this problem well over a hundred years ago. It is pleasing to know that Comrade Ardern is just as perceptive.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:08am
  - Ghost
    
    I doubt anything will come of the patrol companies, the problem is more that it is over taxed. I think it was only done for the perception of doing something
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:10am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘First the petrol companies, then the supermarkets, now the banks.’
    
    Te he he.
    
    They aren’t “us” .
    
    Nor are farmers, landlords , licensed firearms holders, anti mandate freedom lovers, etc
    
    BTW there’s little to no mention in the msm of this regime’s excessive tax take . That’s surely just as evil as any other “profit” taking.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I haven’t noticed that things are cheaper at the supermarket.
    
    Petrol seems steady at the moment… but for how long…
    
    and I hope I’ve spent all my money before the NZ$ is worthless.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It is all Ardern has. Find an “enemy” to blame everything on, because of course, she is above reproach. What a fake, what a failure.
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:18am
- westernScientist
  
  well robo just gave Orr a gold star… and a topped up his trough at nearly a mill a year.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    As usual with Robertson, the RBNZ marking their own homework is just what you would expect from this corrupt government.
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:48pm
- Master Mariner
  
  On the contrary, She will have a “Fantastic” Carbon score,
  https://www.commbank.com.au/articles/newsroom/2021/10/CBA-launches-carbon-tracking-feature.html
  Just need to rearrange the deck chairs a bit.//
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:52am
Maggie Pie

We were heading into The-Sugar-Club last night for dinner and ended up being trapped on the motorway for the best part of an hour!

Had no idea what was going on until this morning 🙁
Hope they really throw the book at this prick…..

https://police.govt.nz/news/release/one-custody-after-police-officer-struck-vehicle

SHEESH!!
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November 10, 2022 9:07am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I expect they will punish him harshly to make an example of him. Probably home D for at least 4 months!/
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:24am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Don’t hold ya breath Maggie. Unlikely.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:31am
- Nickc2
  
  A Police Officer’s life hangs in the balance while some Judge is in the process of soaking Bus Tickets.
  When will we arrive at a time when these wet Judges decide that the punishments (if you can call them that) they are handing down are not stopping the Crime Wave (Tsunami) that has engulfed NZ.
  It’s time for action and at present, there’s only one way of achieving a lowering of the Crime Rate in NZ and that’s for the Judicial system to be held to account.
  Unfortunately, to hold them to account, we require all MSM to be on the same page in terms of condemnation of the Govt and its Judicial system.
  Will that happen? Probably not! I guess it’s time for the Rivers of Filth to rise again and this time, flood Parliament.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “The-Sugar-Club”
  
  Is that like The-Chilli-Club?
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:05am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    More like The-Three-Comma-Club.
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:31am
- MCōs
  
  Charged with hold up Ms Pie for almost an hour on the way to a private function at the Sugar Club.
  Plead guilty and we’ll forget about the policeman you hit.
  Guilty
  Twenty years. That’s serious shit.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You should try being stuck in a confined space with my partner effing & blinding for an hour Cossie! 🙁
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:35am
    - MCōs
      
      Make that forty years
      
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      November 10, 2022 10:43am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😀 😀 😀
        
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        November 10, 2022 10:59am
Inandout

Was watching an old episode of ‘Rumpole’ and he had a left wing tutor as a client. The tutor was popular among his students because he criticsed the establishment and had an attitude that would now be described as woke. But what this tutor was hiding from everyone was that he belonged to a club even more secretive than the Masons and he didn’t want this to ruin his ‘progressive’ reputation. Now this show aired around 40 years ago so we can presume even back then the woke trend in halls of learning was alive and well. Aside from all this I have rediscovered a thoroughly irascible and humourous character.
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November 10, 2022 9:08am
- Paulus
  
  During my School Days, pre Rumpole even, we had a Master who was an avowed and openly Communist who tought us Polecon – Politics and Economics.
  He actually was very good and we learned much from him and his left wing views.
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:57am
Master Mariner

Another negative for NZ energy security with the Maari Field not getting a workover.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/andrew-jeffries-new-zealand-oil-and-gas-managing-director-on-50-million-dollar-maari-oil-deal-getting-axed/

No clear direction from this Government and too be honest its not going to change for possibly decades with the Damage done to PM’s “Nuclear Moment”.

Simply economic sabotage,
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November 10, 2022 9:16am
Batman

Ok, time for a little bit of fun at the expense of Fox News. After 450 mentions of “red wave” between Oct 16 and election day, Geraldo Rivera is now $1000 richer thanks to his bet with Jessie Watters and Judge Box-of-wine.

Sean, Kelly-Anne, Tomi, Greg, Marc, Newt and a bunch of other Fox favourites have egg on their faces, and their reputations should be scrambled (but won’t be because it’s Fox).

The red wave was a pink trickle. It’ll be interesting to see how the House and Senate actually fall.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/here-are-all-the-fox-news-stars-who-promised-a-red-tsunami
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November 10, 2022 9:26am
- Cinematic
  
  A wins a win.
  
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  November 10, 2022 11:12am
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, in stead of a wave it was an ankle snapper.
  
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  November 10, 2022 11:19am
- emmess
  
  Everyone was surprised, not just the right
  
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  November 10, 2022 11:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  My 2 cents Bat,
  
  -DeSantis was the big winner on the night, Trump the big loser.
  -A 3-10 seat majority in the house is still a majority and it means swapping out the likes of Schiff for Jordan. This will be uncomfortable for the likes of Biden and Fauci.
  -The Senate looks like 51-49 Democrats (assuming Warnock wins the run-off) although Nevada is extremely interesting and could go either way. Either way Schumer still needs Manchin and/or Sinema for majorities.
  
  The GOP really needs a strategy for the Rust Belt as this is where 2024 is won or lost. Quite clearly Trump isn’t attractive enough there to move the likes of Wisconsin, Michigan or PA.
  
  The red wave didn’t happen although 2024 shapes up as far more challenging for the democrats in regards to the Senate as they will be defending places such as Montana, West Virginia and Ohio.
  
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  November 10, 2022 11:56am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, Trump had a bad night, & he needs to pull back & be the power behind the throne, which Ron DeSantis as the GOP challenger should inherit.
    Trump has come across as a poor loser and although he achieved a great amount for the good of the USA when he was president, he has demonstrated that he is the loud narcissist most recognised him to be & many Americans have backed away from him.
    
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    November 10, 2022 12:23pm
    - kowtow
      
      Exit polls suggest that voters from both camps are over both Trump and Biden.
      
      Might be time for Mr Trump to retire gracefully .
      
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      November 10, 2022 12:47pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Or to be in character, retire disgracefully.
        
        Much as I enjoyed his disruption he has played this one so badly his time has gone.
        
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        November 10, 2022 1:03pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Don, the problem is that narcissists will never settle for being the power *behind* the throne.
      
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      November 10, 2022 3:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nevada is only going one way GOP, the Dems were miles ahead on early voting, then the day voters started turning to the REPs, same with Arizona, they were well behind, and the difference is down to 6% with a large number of votes in REP strongholds, how the hell you see Nevada going either way god knows
    
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    November 10, 2022 9:53pm
kevn

@MM… Like Marsden Point. Not even mothballed, just rendered inoperative. Vandalism.
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November 10, 2022 9:26am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, Interesting thing is they are not reporting how much fuel reserves are in the country any more either.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:55am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Marsden point was privately owned, the owner made a commercial decision
  
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  November 10, 2022 9:54pm
Maggie Pie

Remember I said here yesterday my partner was….short?

He still is 😀 😀 😀
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November 10, 2022 10:22am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  But you never ever mentioned which shares he was short on.
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The S&P500 silly! I thort that was obvious?
    
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    November 10, 2022 10:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Maori Are Not The Indigenous People Of New Zealand.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-are-not-the-indigenous-people-of-new-zealand/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/maori-are-not-the-indigenous-people-of-New-Zealand-1.pdf
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November 10, 2022 10:42am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The Kiore (Rat) was brought to New Zealand by Maori. It is not considered to be indigenous to New Zealand.
  So logically anything arriving to New Zealand from elsewhere cannot be deemed indigenous!
  
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  November 10, 2022 10:57am
- Taieri
  
  Maori Are Not The Indigenous People Of New Zealand
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  All people born in NZ are indigenous to NZ.
  
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  November 10, 2022 11:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That means me, my Father, but not my Grandfather. (South Africa pre WW1)
    
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    November 10, 2022 11:13am
Maggie Pie

This from my…. “you-can’t-make-this-shit-up-file”

CNN reporting Democrat Pennsylvania State Representative Anthony Deluca wins reelection.

He DIED last month. LOL!!

And they say they don’t cheat 🙁
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November 10, 2022 10:47am
- krazykiwi
  
  He died on 8th October, by which time his name was already printed on the ballot. Not so much a fraud, more evidence of CNN’s ‘reporters’ being complete out-of-touch.
  
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  November 10, 2022 11:45am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Basically, the Dems voted for a special bi-election rather than voting in the Republican.
    
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    November 10, 2022 2:59pm
Fuzzysnuggleduck

Apologies if this has been posted before – but it makes me so happy to see!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-road-rage-elderly-man-deals-to-patched-gang-member-in-papatoetoe-road-rage-dispute/4KHCCMBYE5HTXAJAKFYJSPBRIM/

The guy in Hi Vis is older, but not elderly. Has better boxing hands, and bangs hard. Drops the patched gang member, and even throws him when he gets back up. Either some good scrapping experience or fight training and the physicality to do it.
Bravo!
Members of the public doing good work here.
cheers me up after the other Black Power video here, showing such huge numbers of them, you can only presume that police have lost control and have no means to meet this.
SImon Bridges was right that they need something akin paramilitary specialist units who rapidly deploy.
And where did the money come for all those massive motorbikes? No wonder this appeals to ‘ranigitahi’.
Need a company of infantry do deal with a gang like that, not police considering them as grieving whanau.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/watch-huge-gang-tangi-procession-blocks-auckland-traffic-police-investigating/ZSJVDCIPGRE2NJMVGJUBYCSD7Q/
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November 10, 2022 11:15am
- cas
  
  Always interesting to see who pays cash at the supermarkets rather than go to the self service checkouts where it is card only. And then some walk out ( and many are relatively young) to recent model cars in the carpark.
  
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  November 10, 2022 12:39pm
CAKE FACE1

It seems to me that the world over sees the forces of freedom at war against socialist tyranny.

Almost without exception, the socialists are winning.
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November 10, 2022 11:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
  
  That time is when the food runs out, or when those who believed they were free finally recognise they have been enslaved.
  
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  November 10, 2022 11:40am
Takere

3 Waters!
3 Harbours!
3 Iwi and a pakeha walk into a bar….

This guy. Another muddle class pakeha who ‘feels’ bad about his people so hes giving it all back to the corporate mowrees!

So giddy up!

“Who is Paul Beverley?

Paul Beverley, of Buddle Findlay, specialises in the RMA, co-governance design in Treaty settlement processes, and advising local authorities on Treaty and Māori law issues. According to the Buddle Findlay website, he has extensive experience collaborating and negotiating with Māori and advising on Māori law issues. His particular specialty is designing and negotiating co-governance, co-management and relationship frameworks between the Crown, local government and Māori.

According to Anne Gibson, Property Editor of the New Zealand Herald, in an article on Beverley published 13 May 2017, “….in the past few years, the refrain sounding loudest in his life is redress for tangata whenua. That means addressing the wrongs of the past, helping Maori groups negotiate, then draft Treaty of Waitangi deeds of settlement as one of the Crown team representing the Justice Ministry’s Office of Treaty Settlements”.

Further insight into the views of Beverley can be found in his involvement as a participant in the Constitutional and Legal experts’ hui held by the government to discuss Crown-Maori Relations (20 March 2018). Notes produced by the participants include the following points:

There is a need to move beyond a consultation mind set to real partnership and engagement.
The Treaty is clear that there are two peoples in a partnership, with roles and responsibilities.
A concrete agenda/work programme should include the following: constitutional position of the Treaty; local government status; capacity and capability building – central and local government; institutional/systemic discrimination; water; shared outcomes; putting partnership into practice (e.g., the Department of Conservation has some useful approaches – local level solutions in particular).
Māori representation on local authorities – if moving towards Māori wards then other changes also need to be put in place to support them and for substantive long-term change and community understanding. They will fail to make effective change on their own.
A clear conceptual framework over the top is required, that defines local government in NZ and its roles and responsibilities in the Treaty/Māori space.
The Government needs a plan to educate communities, including exemplars of how people are positively relating, how the Crown and Māori are relating, the benefits for communities and the nation, and that it is not racist for the government to prioritise results for Māori.
Proprietary rights need to be defined with reference to two systems of law. There is a need to understand tikanga as law, rights and constitutionally.
Undertake a stocktake by running a Treaty ruler over legislation, regulation and policies.
Decolonisation required to allow a Māori lens to become first nature for government.

And again, for clues as to what Beverley thinks, see his paper entitled ‘A stronger voice for Māori in natural resource governance and management’, which he presented to the NZ Planning Institute conference 2015 – ‘Back to the Future’.

Paul Beverley claims that Māori have a deep and innate relationship with natural resources, saying that significant advances are being made to enable the expression of this relationship. In his paper he focussed on one of these advances – the arrangements delivered through Treaty of Waitangi settlements, giving the following four examples of Treaty settlement arrangements:

the tūpuna maunga arrangements in the Tāmaki Collective settlement;
the Waikato River settlement;
the Tūhoe – Te Urewera settlement; and
the Whanganui River settlement.
Paul Beverley acted for Auckland Council in the negotiations leading to the new Tupuna Maunga Authority. According to Beverley the Tāmaki Collective settlement reflects a significant reconnection between the Iwi of the Tāmaki Collective and their tūpuna maunga, which includes a detailed set of arrangements that provide a prominent voice for those Iwi in the future governance and management of, and planning for, those tūpuna maunga. Beverley was quoted in the NZ Herald 13 May 2017, saying:

“Those maunga are the embodiment of the iwi ancestors so the law now recognises that through the vesting of those volcanic cones back in the iwi, and the Tupuna Maunga (co-governance) Authority. It’s a really important point in the journey.”

Paul Beverley acted for the Crown on the Waikato River claim, which resulted in the Waikato-Tainui Raupatu Claims (Waikato River) Settlement Act 2010 and other legislation, recognising the river as a tupuna or ancestor with mana, and in turn representing the mauri or life force of the tribe. The Waikato River arrangements provide for the establishment of the Waikato River Authority, a co-governance authority comprising five members appointed by the river iwi and five members appointed by the Crown/local authorities. The Waikato River Authority is responsible for the vision and strategy for the Waikato River. The Vision and Strategy is a planning document with very powerful effect, in fact it is incorporated directly into the Waikato regional policy statement, and it overrides an RMA national policy statement in the event of conflict. Decision-makers under a wide range of legislation are required to consider and give legal effect to the vision and strategy.

Beverley is also active in spreading the co-governance net wider

He is one of the three authors of the Hauraki Gulf Forum Governance Review and Recommendations, presented to the HGF June 2016, which recommended the 50/50 co-governance model, with greater powers. ”

He needs to be ‘checked’ and put back into the bottle.
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November 10, 2022 11:40am
- Blog-aholic
  
  He certainly ticks the boxes. First he needs to get the actual real version of the TOW, read it (it’s a simple three article document) and then he needs to re-evaluate his kool-aided thinking.
  
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  November 10, 2022 12:03pm
Jack5

Plan for terrorist attack on non-Muslim New Zealanders takes young man to court in Auckland.

I wonder if he’ll end up getting golf lessons, like the Muslim teenager who planned a car and knife attack in Christchurch.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300735437/man-planned-to-carry-out-terror-attack-in-auckland-inspired-by-previous-mall-attack
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November 10, 2022 11:47am
Jack5

Violence seems rife in NZ at the moment.

In Christchurch, a man in his 60’s dies after being punched at a bus exchange and the alleged attacker, a teenager, is out on bail.

In Queenstown, a female airline worker is roughed up at the airport.

An old mate reckons it goes back to the banning of smacking. Undisciplined kids growing up knowing no boundaries on behaviour, and now they’re dangerous.

I’m more inclined to blame a soft justice system where the emphasis changed from punishment to reform, with crime blamed on a mean society.
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November 10, 2022 11:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  what reform?
  
  Most folks in NZ prisons don’t undertake any reform/ rehabilitative programs.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00068/prisoner-rehabilitation-falling-by-the-wayside.htm
  
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  November 10, 2022 12:26pm
- cmm
  
  The yoofs have been brought up in an environment with no consequences. As a result they keep pushing to find boundaries which are not there.
  
  It’s all a huge joke and there’s street cred to be gained from posting your exploits on Tiktok.
  
  A few Tiktok videos showing a yoof crying after a solid caning could change things.
  
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  November 10, 2022 1:06pm
Taieri

And the madness continues…

https://www.msn.com/en-au/lifestyle/familyandrelationships/no-changing-grandparents-day-to-grandfriends-day-does-not-diminish-its-meaning/ar-AA13FRjQ
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November 10, 2022 12:52pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Astonished laughter!! It’s worse than we thought.
  
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  November 10, 2022 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

This is interesting….

According to our cleaning lady (she’s Ukranian and her parents are still there) President Putin is now seeking peace talks without any pre-conditions.
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November 10, 2022 12:55pm
- rangitoto
  
  Ukraine soldier on a call to Zelensky:
  
  Soldier “We have liberated the Kremlin sir”
  
  Zelensky ” I said Crimea!”
  
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  November 10, 2022 1:12pm
Chris Nisbet

I read somewhere that Michael Mann, the infamous ‘hockey stick’ (choose your words carefully, Chris) creator, is coming to NZ next year.
Who would have invited him? The disinformation project?
Can we all make a point of _not_ taking the time to hear him speak, and encourage others to do the same? It will only encourage him.
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November 10, 2022 1:09pm
- Hebe123
  
  Who? I presume you don’t mean the actor?
  
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  November 10, 2022 2:58pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Here’s an article about him. He’s probably one of the main people we can ‘thank’ for the climate change policy crisis we are all suffering through right now.
    
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/28/michael-mann-and-the-climategate-whitewash-part-one/
    
    As for the climategate emails, there’s a really good review of those emails out there somewhere – I’ll have to track it down and re-read it one day.
    
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    November 10, 2022 3:35pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Not the one I was thinking of, but you do get a sense of the sort of person Mann is…
      https://davidpratt.info/climategate.htm
      
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      November 10, 2022 7:09pm
cmm

This woman is upset over the lack of fan zones for the Women’s WRC.

Well stop bitching about it. Just make one.

This is not institutional sexism. If people really want fan zones then they will be created. If you really believe this is an opportunity, then get stuck in!

In reality though, there are far fewer fans for women’s rugby because it is slow and boring. The ticket sales show that too. 20,000 is a massive crowd. 140k tickets sold for the whole Women’s WRC. In comparison, the 2023 WRC sold out 350k tickets in less than 5 hours.

But if you really think there’s a market for a Women’s RWC fan zone then put your money where your mouth is.

I suspect she wants someone else’s money to go where her mouth is.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/130425553/lack-of-fan-zones-for-womens-rugby-world-cup-a-lost-opportunity
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November 10, 2022 1:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I will watch it, or a replay. The Women are committed to the game so much.
  Not bulabunaki stuff. Slower game yes.
  Same as I watch Womens’ Tennis Grand Slam finals, the game changes. Smart players now, the hard hitters got beaten.
  
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  November 10, 2022 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, when I think about all our friends and relatives…..
they are just sooo boring by comparison!

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1590482264026419200
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November 10, 2022 1:36pm
- rangitoto
  
  You have no cannibal relatives?
  
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  November 10, 2022 1:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Certainly none that would use a Wok for cooking in.
    
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    November 10, 2022 1:55pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I understand he threw away the best bits.
      
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      November 10, 2022 3:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Maybe their fathers weren’t tyrannical unionists.

His father, John, was a welder and a figure in the union movement. In his self-published autobiography, Graham described his father as a tyrant, who he and his brother lived in fear of upsetting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130396430/graham-philip-trout-fisherman-fanfiction-author-saboteur
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November 10, 2022 1:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Or brothers who would leave a dismembered cock in the Women’s Public Toilet 🙁
  
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  November 10, 2022 2:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi deal. I smell rats, and they are two legged rats. Police bodycam footage not released. Underwear, Hammer. WTF?
https://redrightvideos.com/prosecutors-refuse-to-release-body-camera-footage-from-paul-pelosi-report/
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November 10, 2022 2:53pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, this incident stinks to high heaven, so many twists and turns it would make a good mystery movie. The longer the cops keep the footage hidden the more theories will emerge.
  
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  November 10, 2022 4:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jonesie Awards. ACC. 3002 paid over $100K. 9 paid over $300K.
There is a shitload more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXszcdBCAac
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November 10, 2022 3:05pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Auckland can thank the previous Mayor for this somewhat dubious honor…..

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1590480344721100800

Remember when Goof authorized spending thousands of Ratepayers dollars to sponsor ‘KiwiFist 2018’. Billed as New Zealand’s biggest arse-play event 🙁

https://2018.aucklandpride.org.nz/events/kiwifist-2018/

It would never have happened under Wayne Brwon.
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November 10, 2022 3:10pm
Maggie Pie

And this sounds like a wurrie….

My partner was due to go to Brizzie on Sunday.
He just txt to say that from midnite tonite they’re returning to the Covid-19 ORANGE LIGHT setting.
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November 10, 2022 3:32pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, look at the comments on Annastacia Palaszczuk’s Twitter account, they are over this shit.
  
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  November 10, 2022 4:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    O.M.G. !! They’re sooo Brutal 😀
    
    https://twitter.com/hm91043957/status/1590534116503879680
    
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    November 10, 2022 5:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How many knew but voted for DeLuca anyway. So who was running and campaigning for the Democrats? Crooked as hell!
Apparently, election officials were not able to remove DeLuca’s name from the ballot in time for Election Day, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. And most voters must not have been aware of DeLuca’s death.
https://redrightdaily.com/pa-elects-a-deceased-candidate-with-86-of-the-vote/
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November 10, 2022 4:33pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Now we know how Biden was elected. But will they dig this one up?
  
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  November 10, 2022 5:59pm
Alan Wilkinson

I love Matt
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/matt-cartoons-november-2022/
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November 10, 2022 4:35pm
- Ghost
  
  I’d just be happy to see all the pro and against trump stuff to die off, it’s nauseating
  
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  November 10, 2022 4:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Watch the rallies for Trump.
    Yuge! The “We The People” want him. The left-wing media will never report that.
    
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    November 10, 2022 5:58pm
    - fernglas
      
      Looks like quite a few others don’t really want him, Steve.
      
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      November 10, 2022 7:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Liz Cheneys of this World. She turned against Trump. Her career is now finished.
        
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        November 11, 2022 8:49am
Ghost

A police officer accused of stealing money handed in at the station starred in a theft-prevention video – that police have now removed – months before the alleged offending.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130442319/christchurch-police-officer-accused-of-theft-starred-in-police-theft-prevention-video
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November 10, 2022 6:51pm
Ghost

Newshub can reveal Labour has terminated the membership of a volunteer who’s switched camps to go and help rebel MP Gaurav Sharma’s campaign.

Newshub has also exclusive poll numbers showing how Kiwis think Labour leader Jacinda Ardern handled the Dr Gaurav Sharma scandal.….

In our latest Newshub-Reid Research poll, we asked, Did the Prime Minister handle the Gaurav Sharma situation well? Just 26.2 percent said yes, while 44.5 percent said no. There are also 29.4 percent who didn’t know – possibly a sign the scandal hasn’t landed on top of voters’ minds.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/labour-terminates-membership-of-volunteer-who-helped-dr-gaurav-sharma.html
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