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NeverMindTheBollocks

New CEO of LGWM Sarah Gardner prioritises active modes of transport. I don’t usually comment on physical appearance, but I’m willing to bet a servo pie that she does not walk or cycle regularly, two modes she will be forcing on the rest of us.

I also note that she’s left Otago Regional Council while it’s under investigation for disputes between the Executive and Elected Members; and she’s not from Wellington so will be unfamiliar with the depth of unhappiness among ratepayers with its bias and incompetence.

All in all I struggle to see how she can have been the best candidate for the job; the mind boggles as to how bad the unsuccessful applicants must have been.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington-top-stories/130365287/its-all-about-delivery-for-new-lets-get-wellington-moving-director
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November 6, 2022 8:00am
- slightlyrighty
  
  These people are looking at Walking Options from Johnsonville to Wellington Via Ngauranga Gorge??
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:39am
  - rouppe
    
    Yes. Yes they are. Because everyone is up for a 10km walk each way to work
    
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    November 6, 2022 3:29pm
- Opie
  
  I’ll comment on the appearance. Clinically she would be referred to as morbidly obese.
  
  Has she even been to wellington? You can’t walk and cycle because it’s too hilly, to narrow, too cold and too windy. It’s a shithole.
  
  How the hell are people like this placed in such important roles.
  
  We are doomed.
  
  Yesterday in wellington I saw a sign for a carpark which used the maori name for carpark, with a tiny English word under it. Didn’t realise the maoris had cars in the early 1800s. Maybe they are the chosen ones after all.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:39am
  - Ghost
    
    Well back then they were called Moa Parks
    
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    November 6, 2022 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The input hole is bigger than the output hole.
    
    Poor bike.
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:29am
  - Sacha
    
    Back in the 1960’s – !!!!! there was a bike shop in Kilbirnie which some of you will know is flat, and has easy cycling access to the city via the Bays. One of the senior employees lived in Johnsonville, which at that time was a long way from the city – especially if you, as he did, cycled in to work every day, and home at night, up the Ngauranga Gorge road.
    He was a legend in cycling circles.
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:39am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The exception that proves the rule
      
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      November 6, 2022 12:58pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Are you not familiar with the Te Reo word “motoka”?!
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:56pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If you want to go to Golden Bay you have to Takaka.
      
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      November 6, 2022 6:06pm
    - greybeard
      
      Up the motowei? To the pati ?
      
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      November 6, 2022 6:12pm
- Steve Todd
  
  I also note that she’s left Otago Regional Council while it’s under investigation for disputes between the Executive and Elected Members; […].
  
  To be fair though, Bolly, any organisation of which Michael Laws is a member / involved in, will be a hopelessly dysfunctional, nightmarish place for anyone else, either elected to it, or employed by it, to be a part of.
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:16am
  - peterwn
    
    She made a couple of conduct complaints against Michael Laws and and as far as I remember they were not upheld. I would class Michael’s actions on those occasions as holding to account and not troublemaking. Reminds me of the secret Rabbits Society (comprising senior Wellington City Council staff) years ago. Their mantra was ‘All councillors are bastards’.
    
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    November 6, 2022 3:10pm
- kowtow
  
  These people are anti freedom .
  
  But they dress it up as climate / body positive .
  
  The war on cars is a war on freedom.
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:48am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Heh DPF can you stop the advts popping up in the middle of the screen. Dont mind them to the side but bloody hard to read posts when there are advts blocking them.
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:31am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Use DuckDuckGo.
    No ads.
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:39am
    - rockape
      
      I use duck duck and still get ads,hard to move them off screen too. Often ditch the site because it has become so annoying.
      
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      November 6, 2022 12:30pm
      - RalphT
        
        I use Brave; so far no problems.
        
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        November 6, 2022 3:38pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Duck Duck go is a search engine!!!
      
      You need to change your browser!!
      
      The smart money is on the browser called brave.com
      
      Advert free!!!
      
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      November 6, 2022 3:47pm
      - Ghost
        
        It really doesn’t matter what a person uses. Brave, duck duck go’s browser, or even just adblockers.
        
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        November 6, 2022 3:56pm
    - greybeard
      
      uBlock Origin.
      Magic.
      
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      November 6, 2022 6:13pm
      - Sacha
        
        Facebook has been telling me for weeks that my ad=blocker is blocking friends’ posts.
        But now they’ve given up –
        
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        November 7, 2022 1:19pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Sarah Gardiner – just about the standard bearer for the incompetence and narcissism of the professional managerial class in NZ. She was useless before she got to CEO level and useless at that level. The contempt she showed for democracy at Otago RC was risible. Her appointment at LGWM shows how infected the bureaucracy has become with disciples to “the narrative”. Competence is so old hat these days…
  
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  November 6, 2022 1:49pm
- Observer of Life
  
  NMTB: I would like to see a realistic “Artists Render” of what you will expect.. and that should include rain, howling gales with cyclists dressed in rain gear and battling f said howling gale. The media should ask that woman if she plans on buying a bike, if she hasn’t already!!
  
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  November 6, 2022 7:39pm
Warren

Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister says cost of living ‘top of our agenda’, Political experts believe another payment could be on the cards.
Does Jacinda Ardern like the sound of her own voice because she keeps on repeating her fantasy of all the things they have done and the supposed success they have apparently had in her mind that many would dispute like the New Health System, Housing , Poverty, Employment and many others which is total bullshit, misinformation and lies without anyone from our media standing up and calling her out on her blatant misleading of the facts.
“Jacinda Ardern says cost of living ‘top of our agenda’, political experts believe another payment could be on the cards | Newshub” https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/jacinda-ardern-says-cost-of-living-top-of-our-agenda-political-experts-believe-another-payment-could-be-on-the-cards.html
If there was a report card on how this Government have handled there time in power and how they have treated the public it would be a dismal failure so now they are about to set out on the path of buying the election in 2023 with the first installment being announced by our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern this afternoon in her closing speech at the 2022 Labour Conference.
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November 6, 2022 8:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The only thing these fools know is dolling out money, if she hands more out it will be taken by everyone, but it will not make a scrap of difference in her diminishing support.
  I would not put it passed her to pay a portion of peoples groceries, she doesn’t have a clue that costs on business, rental owners, on the public at large is creating much of the inflation .
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:00am
  - artemisia
    
    Suggest the new cost of living handout will be one or more of these, systems already set up:
    – extend the fuel excise tax / half price bus fares
    – bump up working for families / accommodation supplement, both already targeted based on family size, income, rent
    – another 3 or 6 months of the monthly handout, though the government won’t want to end that too close to the election so maybe 12 months would do the job.
    
    There are still a few net taxpayers left, and the mostly bare borrowing cupboard still has a few options, all good then.
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:34am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Maybe, but they have stated fuel tax is going back on January no matter what
      
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      November 6, 2022 10:54am
      - crackle
        
        The latest update is they are monitoring the situation so I doubt it will go back on.
        
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        November 6, 2022 11:13am
      - Ipanema69
        
        I think it will get extended. At the moment if the additional 25c went back on gas would go back to more than $3 per litre in Auckland.
        
        Labour has no hope of winning the election with $3 plus fuel prices.
        
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        November 6, 2022 11:24am
      - Colville
        
        The 25cent fuel tax is 1/2 a % directly onto the domestic inflation number.
        
        If it went on last quarter domestic inflation would have been above 7%.
        
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        November 6, 2022 11:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Net Taxpayers. The golden eggs are getting smaller, and less of them.
      
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      November 6, 2022 12:29pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I thought ‘climate change’ was the priority. It’s an existential threat, isn’t it? Tipping points!!! The earth is burning!!! Even the president of the United States says so.
  How can petty things like the cost of living compare to threats of such magnitude?
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  If one payment helps us with the cost of living, and another will help us some more, maybe should just keep them coming on a regular basis, and then the cost of living crisis will be fixed forever.
  /s
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:16am
Yvette

Tuku Morgan to head Three Waters iwi body for Auckland and Northland
Waikato-Tainui’s Tukoroirangi Morgan has been appointed to lead the northern Three Waters iwi body.
And he has already warned that Auckland taking more and more water from the Waikato River is not sustainable.
Morgan, chair of the iwi’s Te Arataura tribal executive, said in a statement: “While it is easy and convenient for Auckland Council and Watercare to keep increasing the water take from our awa tupuna [apparently – “My Ancestor the River”] to supply water to Taamaki Makaurau, it is not sustainable.”
The statement said Morgan had been appointed chairperson to the entity A iwi regional representative group under the Three Waters reforms.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300731108/tuku-morgan-to-head-three-waters-iwi-body-for-auckland-and-northland

… Tuku Morgan (Waikato Tainui), is a member of the Three Waters working group who in March dismissed claims that Māori would own the country’s water infrastructure under the reforms.
“There is a view being promoted by some of the councillors around the country that this is a Māori grab for power, that we are interested in owning these water assets,” he told 1News.
“It’s absolute nonsense. We have always said, that we’re not interested in owning the water assets. What we’re interested in is the proprietor rights over water, and that is a discussion to be had with the Crown, not with councils.”
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/29/iwi-involvement-aims-to-further-safeguard-water-assets-robertson/

So is Waikato-Tainui’s Tukoroirangi Morgan more interested in infrastructure and pipes or what flows through them?

And since water is controlled by Taumata Arowai, the Water Regulator, and that is controlled by a Maori Advisory Council chaired by Pipa Mahuta, and both Mahuta and Moran and colleagues are able to issue “Te Mana O Wai” statements or edicts, will so-called “co-governance'” indeed be simply actual “governance”?

And how does Ardern’s Labour Government not just define that, but explain it?
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November 6, 2022 8:03am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Do these people not know how Rivers work?
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:36am
Yvette

I understand Luxon may effect tax cuts by moving tax cut-in bands or brackets, which mean tax relief at a lower levels and of course related relief at the upper level of the band, so more – and seemingly more of more – to “the rich” as well.
So, why not move the lower level of the band but maintain the upper level at the status quo. until the effect is measured?
That would surely screw-up Robertson’s obsession.
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November 6, 2022 8:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Because they have said from day one that they will scrap every added tax by Labour, they are true to their word, I remember at the time Robertsons envy tax was only going to bring in half a billion dollars, and Labours moan is Liz Luxon ffs, anyone needs a girls name it is blowhard Robertson, the wasted billions will easily gobble up that half a billion
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:04am
  - leoj
    
    True to their word my arse.
    
    National’s kool aid is practically the same as Labour’s.
    
    One disappointment after another and now, maori sympathiser Luxon is “keeping his powder dry”.
    
    More like sucking his thumb.
    
    When is your party going to grow a pair?
    
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    November 6, 2022 6:13pm
- Tricati
  
  If I was Luxon I would do as you suggest Yvette, as most of the higher earners understand the economics that is needed to get rid of this Labour government.
  Move the lower tax thresholds, hold the upper levels, and then show cost savings in removing Labour’s wasteful spending – Then watch Ardern and Robertson grasp for thin air.
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:07am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Whoops – ffdt – sorry!
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:00pm
G152

Some-one has an unhealthy obsession with the leader of the opposition and declared such when he really should have been explaining why we have a rising inflation rate and all the other things gone wrong.
And its Cindy Sunday.
The media are agog.
Full of expectoration as to the wonderful world we’re about to enter prior to election year
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November 6, 2022 8:07am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Cindy and the medias attention on Luxon shows both are worried. They both know he and the Nats plus ACT have so many targets to aim for.
  
  Cost of living, Housing, 3 Waters, He Puapau, Hate Speech, Crime, Maorification the list goes on and on.
  
  Talk about being spoilt for choice. The Nats have to set out that they will dismantle Maorification and the laws and regulations around it, promote free speech and democracy, get tough on criminals and set out policies that will get the economy kick started.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon said the party believe in free speech, he said the party will not support free speech laws Labour wants to introduce, even though Ardern keeps saying I want cross party support
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:08am
  - Paulus
    
    I was not going to say anything more that that I have done, but let me explain from a geriatric my position re National and Luxon.
    He appears to be a nice guy and personally honest – not always good for a Politician, but let me be blunt
    I will vote for the National Party, not a Dressed up noisey dollybird.
    There are many good and intelligent current MPs, with many to follow in October, and it will be up to the Party who leads Team National.
    Irrespective of the media dollies flavour of Luxon – paid for, I will still vote National and not just for its Leader.
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:26pm
    - pdm
      
      National will almost certainly have my electorate vote unless they err in their selection but I will party vote ACT
      
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      November 6, 2022 3:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Damien Grant has his eyes wide open:

There remains in conservative circles a belief that the tide can be turned back, that an omnibus piece of legislation or major reform agenda can roll back a regime that has been decades in the making.

This will not happen. Although some programmes, such as Three Waters, may falter, the direction of travel is set.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/130375041/damien-grant-like-it-or-not-weve-got-a-new-democracy
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November 6, 2022 8:10am
- CJames
  
  Anyone who knows anything about the legislative process knows you can’t wind back the clock with one piece of legislation. You have to do each piece independently. In part this is because of the subsidiary clauses in all legislation telling what other bits affected. There is also what to do with the new entities.
  But basically, it can’t be done.
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:15am
  - JJ56
    
    As someone that does, I’d just say it is very easy. Consequential amendments get repealed as a package, just as they were passed, and the entities all disappear. Might need to include a few months for the old team to get going again, but really no problem.
    
    Take the Canterbury Regional Council (Ngāi Tahu Representation) Act 2022, repeal it and the right for TRoNT to appoint two members goes. Just need a transitional provision that deals with the incumbent appointees.
    
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    November 6, 2022 2:10pm
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes…spot on about Luxon ‘ tacking ‘ too.
  Our only real hope is Seymour’s proposed referendum….which Luxon is on record as opposing….for reasons which are completely unclear to this punter!
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:16am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
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    I would have thought the reasons why National opposes a referendum are pretty obvious.
    The Treaty deals with rights that primarily accrue to people who are a minority. A referendum works purely on what the majority wants.
    So Treaty issues involve negotiation and goodwill between the minority and the majority, not by the majority simply deciding what is to be done through a device like a referendum.
    Yes, at times there is an over reach, as with Three Waters. But I personally don’t see the Maori Health Authority as an overreach. In some shape or form, the MHA will continue.
    
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    November 6, 2022 8:38am
    - JJ56
      
      The conundrum Wayne is can the majority of NZders decide they don’t want a negotiation?
      
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      November 6, 2022 8:45am
    - igm
      
      The treaty has become a maori-driven divisive delusional taxpayer-funded rort past its use-by date.
      It must be disregarded immediately or we will become another Rhodesia!
      
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      November 6, 2022 8:47am
      - Unity
        
        Given the Treaty was only a ‘simple nullity’ way back in the day (Chief Justice Prendergast’s description in the mid 1800’s) why are we evening mentioning it? It should have been filed away long ago. There are no Maori today, only people with some Maori ancestry and in most cases more ‘other’ ancestry. It’s long overdue for us all to be treated the same with no special treatment based on race. To keep on teasing things from the Treaty which were never there is foisting a huge injustice upon the rest of us. We need a Government with the backbone to do what’s right, and doing or saying anything with regard to the Treaty today is fraudulent big time. We MUST vote for a Government with the spine to do the right things for all of us.
        
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        November 6, 2022 9:34am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      You are right. There were (and are) a substantial number of National MP’s who would have similar views to myself.
      ….
      My prediction, there will be a substantial empowering of iwi in education, heath, housing supply and social policy in the next few years. National will go along with most of this once they are back in government, just as they have done so since 1990.
      
      In that sense Don Brash was a bit of an aberration, one that National is not keen on repeating.
      
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      November 6, 2022 8:51am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bullshit, Luxon has stated there will be no separatist services, end of, another thing, the overhaul of health system to me was not done legislatively, so can simply be done, as yet 3 waters has not been voted on . Tick tock
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:12am
      - Dave
        
        To be fair to Mr Mapp, many of my past utterances probably wouldn’t withstand much scrutiny either, but fortunately no one is likely to check them, and WRT to the National Party he has inside experience I don’t have.
        
        However, co-governance, Maorification and separatist policies of the current government are such a basic assault on democracy, accountability, and economic efficiency, can potentially alienate both the majority population and even many who identify as Maori, and rest on such tendentious interpretations of the TOW, that their reversal or severe attenuation is perhaps more probable than he allows.
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:20am
      - Observer of Life
        
        G: You need to prepare yourself for total disappointment, if after the election, National get in. They have a track record of not keeping promises. And I’ve voted National most of my life. I think I’m being very realistic here. Unfortunately my friend. You are blinded by your hopes and dreams. Wake up G.. WAKE UP!!
        
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        November 6, 2022 8:09pm
    - Drone
      
      @Wayne Mapp, in an “ideal” world with infinite resources ie money and skilled people you could establish a tailored health service for each individual race in New Zealand, would you want to, probably not. In today’s situation where we don’t have enough resources to support a health service for the current population of New Zealand as a single group why would you split the limited current resources available to support New Zealanders on the basis of race. The contra to this “division is good” argument is the Three Waters claim that pulling everything into a single central point of management is good.
      
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      November 6, 2022 8:53am
    - septic skeptic
      
      If the majority view is not going to be recognized through the political process, what do you see as the outcome in the long run?
      
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      November 6, 2022 8:57am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “So Treaty issues involve negotiation and goodwill between the minority and the majority….”
      
      The current government is not facilitating such negotiation. It is imposing the will of a small group of Maori activists in its caucus.
      
      More importantly, I would argue that we are in this mess because of a perverted interpretation of the Treaty. That is why ACT wants a referendum to enshrine democracy in New Zealand.
      
      As DPF has commented, the “Treaty” is being employed to end universal suffrage in New Zealand. So enough is enough. The referendum proposed by Seymour is essential. You are suggesting that the alternative is negotiation based on “goodwill” 🙄. That is naive. We are on a path to ethnic tension and probably violence.
      
      And of course the Maori Health Authority is “over reach” 😳. It will not improve Maori health outcomes. If for no other reason that nothing this government designs achieves anything beneficial.
      
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      November 6, 2022 9:00am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
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        The goodwill has to go both ways. The reason I think Three Waters is an overreach is the 50% co governance. The Labour Maori caucus is going too far.
        You and I will have to differ on the Maori Health Authority. I believe it will have better reach into Maori community better than the current systems. Obviously the MHA is not a total replacement for all health issues but it will be particularly relevant in primary health care.
        
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        November 6, 2022 9:32am
      - Matt Long
        
        Can we look forward to the Maori health authority being as effective as Oranga Tamaki, Wayne?
        While recogising that culturally appropriate outreach for provision of care is important somehow I see a MHA as a way for inept virtue signaling woke wets to shovel vast amounts of taxpayer money down the throats of corrupt cronies while health outcomes continue to get worse for the supposedly targeted population.
        And effective grass roots organisations like Mike King’s are unpersoned as they realise that: a. The government doesn’t give a damn after all for real people, and b. They will treat you like shit if you protest about it.
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:01am
      - JJ56
        
        Wayne you are confusing diversity of service delivery (even ACT likes that as I recall, eg charter schools) and separate services funded/selected purely on a race/ethnicity basis.
        
        You should read today’s Business Desk’s reprint from the Economist (not paywalled) https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/the-economist/us-society-is-so-focused-on-race-that-its-blind-to-class.
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:42am
      - CJames
        
        Wayne – there is big problems ahead for a stand alone MHA. Take places where Maori make up a sizeable Maori population like Te Kuiti, Turangi, Wairoa – (though many probably aren’t n the Maori rolls so don’t count;-)). Those towns often have maybe only one or two GP practices. How will the MHA cater for Maori there?
        The theory might sound good, but invariably, it falls down in even basic details?
        
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        November 6, 2022 11:43am
    - pdm
      
      Wayne neither co-governance or 3Waters are treaty issues.
      
      Both are rorts to give Maori control and influence well above their proportional representation in New Zealand society.
      
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      November 6, 2022 9:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        A ‘coup’ is happening
        
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        November 6, 2022 12:41pm
      - kevn
        
        @CJ… We all just know it, the MHA will be a balls-up. Nothing surer.
        
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        November 6, 2022 6:10pm
    - lastmanstanding
      
      So Wayne Mapp believes in apartheid because if you study the OED that is what the Maori Health Authority is. A race based structure set up to cater to only one race with the right to veto spending taxes on the health of all other races.
      
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      November 6, 2022 9:33am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Who care, Māori authority will be dumped, this was not voted on, so a simple winding down and closure should happen
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:15am
      - Matt Long
        
        What you mean unfortunately is a woke politician from the same party as Chris Finlayson which signed up to the UNDRIP and co-governance has said the Maori Health Authority will be dumped.
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:22am
      - pdm
        
        Sorry G down tick in error.
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:25am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        G the Giant,
        Shane Reti has said the MHA will be folded into the overall Health Authority, but will still exist. I presume a bit like Whanau Ora.
        To my mind that is a bit of a detail.
        I would note that when my wife was a member of the Northern Regional Health Authority in the 1990’s, she and Rob Cooper established (that is set aside the funding) the various Maori and Marae based PHO’s in the North. These are now quite widespread throughout NZ, and are generally known as He Puna Hauora.
        In answer to JimBobJoe, Maori specific health initiatives and providers have been around for 30 years. A bit like Kura Kaupapa schools.
        
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        November 6, 2022 11:50am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Explain to me Mr Mapp, how members of my extended family (Blood relatives not in-laws) can be divided for health, welfare and education provision from the State because some of them have Maori bloodlines (a great Grand-parent) but the rest don’t.
      
      We are talking people growing up in my extended family with very similar homes and incomes, but some will get special privilege and the rest will be a rung below.
      
      How does that meet a standard of fairness?
      
      The answer is it doesn’t meet a standard of fairness at all.
      
      Sorry Wayne, you are totally wrong. The Maori Health authority is a radical over reach. Capital Coast Healths announcement a few years back that Maori and Pacific peoples would get preference for treatment is an example of what the MHA will deliver. And frankly its EVIL.
      
      So wrong I can’t explain my contempt for the political position you are espousing that Maori (term used here to cover all people with Maori bloodlines) should have racial preference in access to education, health and welfare.
      
      The push for this segregationist agenda has been based on a fact base that some 20 odd percent of those with Maori bloodlines are over represented in negative stats in health, education, welfare. But that ignores the vast majority of Maori are doing just fine in the modern world. its being used as a smokescreen
      
      The real agenda being pushed by the Mahuta’s and Morgans and Jacksons is very easy to identify: Its feudal power and having that power in the hands of traditional Maori Rangatira families…
      
      If this feudal power structure is allowed to establish itself, then for all non-Maori in NZ this means we would exist in NZ by some supposed Rangatiras grace.
      
      Well eff that. Enough already and an open message to Luxon, Willis, Bishop:
      
      Roll it back, roll it back as soon as possible – all of it. Clean out the Public Service of this racial cancer.
      
      Because if you dont every European, Indian, Chinese person who dies because they were shunted down medical wait lists because a Maori or Pacific person person presented with the same medical condition after them – well their deaths will be on your hands.
      
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      November 6, 2022 9:53am
      - kowtow
        
        The death of democracy is also on their hands.
        
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        November 6, 2022 10:49am
      - kevn
        
        @Jim… ‘A racial cancer’. Yes, negative in all ways as will be any delivery. Remember do-little is architect. It will be a balls-up.
        Imagine the squabbles, “1/8th v/s 1/512th” and so on.
        “Mahuta is my second cousin” etc etc.
        
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        November 6, 2022 6:16pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Wayne, the treaty fundamentally gives everyone the same rights.
      
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      November 6, 2022 10:51am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        But also distinctive rights. Hence the settlements of the last 30 years, which typically cover more than specific land rights.
        
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        November 6, 2022 11:52am
      - Matt Long
        
        Wayne, when you draw a long bow with imagination of the intent behind you run the risk that others will take things further than you are comfortable with yourself.
        Can of worms or Pandora’s box come to mind.
        
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        November 6, 2022 2:06pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      The MHA will be a virtue signalling encumbrance so long as most Maori continue to be treated at Middlemore and Waikato hospitals.
      
      You can bet that the professional Maori elite campaigning for it will not be treated by it either.
      
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      November 6, 2022 10:54am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      I know you were a Cabinet Minister. So I offer you some respect. However, if your views are representative of a significant number of prospective National MPs I despair for the future of the nation.
      
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      November 6, 2022 7:27pm
- Cassandra
  
  I fear he’s right – a woke National Party and a complacent electorate. But this time round perhaps the worm might turn? The Labour Party has shown its new, true, colours – a blend of red and brown. Time for decent New Zealanders to stiffen the sinews!
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    New, true colours. Watch Jaspinda’s UN speech over and over. Evil and chilling.
    
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    November 6, 2022 12:48pm
- Cassandra
  
  Grant calls it “democracy, with New Zealand characteristics”. Rubbish. It is not democracy if a minority based on race has powers the majority does not have. That’s Afrikaner stuff. Time for New Zealanders to fight back.
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:29am
  - Linda Wright
    
    One of my fundamental values is that people should be treated as individuals, not as an example or a representative of a group… be that race, sexual orientation, gender, etc.
    
    All NZers have the right to make their own decisions, vote for what they want, and rise and fall based on their own merits.
    
    We have a compassionate society that is happy to help those who are disadvantaged by physical or mental conditions that hold them back. And we come together to rally in support when some kind of disaster occurs.
    
    I don’t think that being born with any particular ethnicity give you inherent advantages or disadvantages. I do think your family environment has a huge impact on your later success in life, and your ability to take advantage of the wonderful opportunities you have as a NZer.
    
    So having said all that… no, race should never be the determining reason someone gets an advantage or an ability to make decisions that impact others.
    
    Governments and governing bodies should be race-blind.
    
    If our government wants to improve the lot of future generations, then help at the individual and family level. If Maori organisations put their effort into that level of care instead of trying to create co-governance then they would make the difference that they say they want to make.
    
    The path we are on now is a disaster.
    
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    November 6, 2022 9:11am
    - Opie
      
      The only time you can refer to people by grouping is if you say that maoris need more rights than everyone else. And if you disagree you are a filthy rascist and should lose your job
      
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      November 6, 2022 9:49am
- Tom Hunter
  
  As much as I want to get rid of this government I will be voting ACT and not National at the next election, having voted for National pretty solidly since 2002 (voted ACT in 2008).
  
  I simply don’t trust what National or Luxon say on this issue or related issues, and I think a lot of you who do are going to be bitterly disappointed.
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:48am
  - RalphT
    
    Agree. I have been a solid National voter since 1975 but am despairing of the way they are heading. From now on it will be Act for me.
    
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    November 6, 2022 9:50am
- westernScientist
  
  The direction of travel is set? yep, towards aus (or further) for anyone with money, assets or useful skills…
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘The direction of travel is set’
    
    Yes that’s an incredibly arrogant thing for him to say .
    
    In a democracy the electorate , ultimately, gets that say . Anyone who says or even implies otherwise is being anti democratic .
    
    There can and will be a major backlash and change in direction , once the electorate get finally fed up with this Establishment elitism .
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:25am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Grant doesn’t seem to have noticed the local government election results. Racist leadership will get a racist response.
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:45am
- slightlyrighty
  
  and in line with the new Democratic thinking, no comments are allowed on this article.
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:38am
igm

What happened to Allah?
He let SBW be decked by a geriatric infidel!
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November 6, 2022 8:14am
- Colville
  
  This is why “boxers” hate to fight “punchers”
  
  Hunt stepped thru SBWs jab, was happy to take the punishment and it was only a matter of time.
  
  Time for SBW to retire.
  
  As Tyson was fond of saying, the ring isnt a very big place. I only need to catch up with you once! 🙂
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:45am
  - MCōs
    
    As Mr Tyson found out.
    Wasn’t the only thing that caught up with Iron Mike.
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Dear PM and The Labour Party seem to have sidelined the Maori Caucus from any public debate at the Labour Party Conference.

Does our PM really think that NZers are accepting of a co-governance Nation?

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00038/pms-co-governance-comments-insulting.htm
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November 6, 2022 8:16am
- Cassandra
  
  Read this link, Kiwibloggers, it is important, vital even.
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  They are now in election mode and don’t want to scare the horses .
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:29am
Paulus

If I was Christopher Luxon I would be very careful in getting anywhere Grant Robertson.
After Grant’s speech to his faithful he could not stop mentioning Christopher – which he did many times.
Is Christopher now an obsession now of Grants ? – I hope it is not a perversion.
Poor Grant if that is the best you can do start trying to get a new job,
– I know there are plenty with the Wellington Bus Company to whom you have just given a substantial pay rise.
Am sure you could get a preferential reference too !
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November 6, 2022 8:16am
Taieri

Damien Grant end his article thus:

“(…)For good or ill, Jackson is correct. We now have democracy, with New Zealand characteristics.(…)”

But he is wrong. We do not have now “democracy, with New Zealand characteristics”. Democracy is gone…
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November 6, 2022 8:20am
Nickc2

Does our PM really think that NZers are accepting of a co-governance Nation?
Cindy thinks what the Maori Caucus, the WEF, and Kindy Kids tell her to think. She’s incapable of original thought.
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November 6, 2022 8:44am
- Yvette
  
  When asked whether Labour would make changes to the co-governance model, Ardern replied that wasn’t the most significant issue people had with Three Waters
  – an Ardern redirection
  “These Are Not the Droids You Are Looking For”
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:57am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Nickc2 If you are wondering what the PM thinks ask lastmanstanding because he knows what everyone in NZ thinks.
  For help on any Maori issues they are already solved because Unity says there aren’t any, Maoris that is.
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:15am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Betcha I got my finger on the pulse better than you Brian. I see a big backlash coming next election. I say many citizens including Maori citizens are sick to death having Maorificiation rammed down their throats 24/7. They just want to get on living their lives without being separated by race especially when in the case of Maori the %age of Maori ancestry is (cough) somewhat obscure.
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:38am
  - Nickc2
    
    There are no Maori in NZ. There are many of mixed race who call themselves Maori for obvious reasons, but there are no true-blood Maori remaining.
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You can be Moari if you ‘think’ you are Moari.
      
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      November 6, 2022 1:00pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Can I think my way into being a Maori Foreign Minister next election? I certainly couldn’t be worse than the last two eh? Just joking.
        
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        November 6, 2022 1:05pm
Tom Hunter

“I simply say to people, one, there’s a new regime, get with it folks; two, Rome wasn’t built in a day.”

While he says there’s room for robust debate about the co-governance model between the Crown and iwi and hapū, Finlayson’s advice for dealing with the “sour right” behind the racist, resentful rhetoric:
“We’ve just got to leave those losers behind and move on. They don’t like tangata whenua. They dream of a world that never was and never could be,” he says.
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November 6, 2022 8:54am
kowtow

Yesterday the Herald went big on ” a major series The New New Zealand ; Rebuilding Better .”

There’ll be poll results , yesterday we’re told our major concern was cost ofliving 56% , but climate change concern came in as second at 12 % .

The Herald announced ” The series will examine issues including the economy, health & socila division, through the lenses of equity and climate to ensure our plans for the future are sustainable and support all Kiwis”.

So they’ve announced a clear far left bias .

How can any of it be trusted .

I’m suspicious of its timing too , coming as it does just before Labour’s conference and featuring the PM so heavily .

Today’s paper features a big photo of her , as part of the series, saying she’d spend big on early childhood education ,if she had the blank cheque . No photo of Luxon .

This is manipulation of the highest order .
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November 6, 2022 8:59am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Good points kowtow.
  
  The cartoon had a shopper floating on a melting iceberg, worrying about cost of living, suggesting that climate change was a much greater concern.
  
  We can only expect the distractions to continue!
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    I was shocked by the implication in that the cartoonist was telling us that our greatest concern , putting food on the table , wasn’t a concern at all .
    
    Herald editors happy to go along with ” we know what’s good for you proles better than you ”
    
    That’s what you get with a “climate lens”, can’t wait for the “equity” lens.
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:19am
  - Jack5
    
    The Herald is subsidised by the State.
    
    The NZ Stock Exchange lists owner NZME’s “gross yield” (what it is returning to shareholders at the current share price) at more than 16 per cent.
    
    Yet Ardern is subsidising the Herald and other NZME regional newspapers.
    
    What else is this, but political patronage?
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:53am
- Its only I
  
  This has actually been going on all through covid.
  A story about nutters burning a 5g tower, half way down the story would be an image of the opposition leader with the title of the next story. The classic lefty chip wrapper stock image of Collins “snarling”
  Stuff were associating National with every real or imagined conspiracy going around at the time.
  In other words, everything bad and evil.
  In contrast with images of the Labour mascot associated with anything on brand and using the crafted saintly stock photos.
  Or everything good and wholesome.
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:33am
Yvette

Is a Labour Party Conference that doesn’t explain, define and discuss “co-governance” – or in some cases, simple “governance” – the same as a Party that doesn’t mention it before an Election?
Or just more so?
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November 6, 2022 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Or just more so?
  
  Definitely more so.
  
  Labour realises that He Puapua, Three Waters and co-Governence are ill-formed concepts that will benefit a select group of NZers only.
  
  Labour’s intention is to push all these issues through Parliament, but not under the watch of a critical public eye.
  
  Jacinda Ardern has been called back to work.. to distract and disinform the public in her usual ~~smarmy~~ disarming way.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:28am
Ghost

Labour continue their path of breaking things, this time with TVNZ that until now has been making a profit and paying a dividend back to the government.

The Government’s new public media entity will witness the loss of a third of TVNZ’s existing commercial revenue, equating to about $100 million a year, within five years, according to advice from officials.

This lost revenue will need to be supplemented by taxpayer funding from the Crown, which is forecast to contribute $211m a year to the entity over 30 years, roughly half of which will be used to plug the shortfall in advertising.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/revealed-tvnz-will-lose-100m-in-advertising-revenue-by-the-end-of-the-decade/QVQ2PKQAKJFRV2B2I562TCJJJU/
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November 6, 2022 9:06am
- emmess
  
  As Gordon Ramsay would say: “That’s it, shut it down”
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:16am
Give a Man a Fish

Went to movies yesterday evening with wife. Hadn’t been to a movie theatre in 10 years. Sat down, 30 people in audience, more than I expected for sat evening. Watched pre-movie adverts. Advert number two and number four were in Maori with NO subtitles. The entire audience were being gaslit by whoever the group was who put the adverts on. We all had to endure two long adverts no one understood. What the hell is the point of that? We need to stop Robertson and Orr printing money and handing it out to these groups. If the money supply dried up to these groups we wouldn’t have to be subject to this nonsense. No one would waste their own money on advertising if the consumer didn’t understood what they were on about. In total there was 20 minutes of pre-movie adverts. The movie was Mrs Harris goes to Paris. Slow first 30 minutes, then very light feel good story. Suffice to say if I have to go to movies again, I would arrive 15-20 minutes after they say the movie starts in order to miss awful adverts.
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November 6, 2022 9:17am
- kowtow
  
  Party vote Act.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Maybe this is the thinking. You will be ashamed and disappointed that you can’t understand the Maori language ad. Fear of missing out. So you will leave the theatre more determined than ever to learn the language. 🤡
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:26am
  - Taieri
    
    Fear of missing out. So you will leave the theatre more determined than ever to learn the language
    ————
    
    Why?
    
    I’ve heard it spoken in the “real life” exactly once. And I’m 63.
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’ll be seeing more like this in many venues
  
  https://www.teaomaori.news/maori-stories-fill-billboards-across-aotearoa
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Standby for a rash of pro-Maori billboards in New Zealand, possibly racist of marginally racist. The publicity will grow the advertising system.
    
    Haumi seems to be a branch of French advertising giant JCDecaux, but Haumi NZ is owned by Karl and Nerida Johnstone, of Auckland.
    
    The owner of about 400 of the digital billboards in southern France, Michel-Ange Flori, was fined for running images of Macron as Hitler.
    
    In a separate promotion of a Jewish web dating site on French billboards led to an outburst of anti-Semitic vandalism.
    
    If the billboards get up the nose of the non-Maori majority, Haumi will get far more than all free publicity needed to get well established in this country.
    
    A swag of NZ companies have “Haumi” as part of their registered name. According to the online Maori dictionary “haumi” seems to mean something like “alliance”.
    
    “Haumi” also seems to be an “app” that offers some Maori and other Maori bits. Among the users is the country’s disastrous inflation “controller”, the Reserve Bank of NZ.
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:28am
    - Jack5
      
      If you want to act on an electronic billboard, whip out your smart phone and take a picture.
      
      It will likely be hard to recover the image later.
      
      The billboard will be subject to the same legal risks as other advertising.
      
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      November 6, 2022 11:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I see the billboards being trashed, defaced, and burnt.
      
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      November 6, 2022 1:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I am not suggesting this, I can see it coming.
        
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        November 6, 2022 1:54pm
- alloytoo
  
  I was always told that the point of advertising was biggest bang for the buck, widest possible audience for ad spend.
  
  If these companies don’t follow that, then I must question their management and product.
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:03am
Ghost

A good interview worth listening too

Former Police Commissioner Mike Bush said he has spoken with young people committing ram raids, who revealed to him they are “stealing to order” for more established criminals…

Bush said that if people see a ram raid taking place, there is an element of human nature in wanting to stop it, but when it comes to property-based crime, no one should risk their life and wellbeing to intervene.

“Do what you can. Video it, record it, watch as much as you can. Direction of travel, just what they’re wearing, all those sorts of things. If you can video them without being seen, [it] might just be the track shoes they’re wearing [that] might be enough evidence to identify them later in a court case.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/ask-me-anything-mike-bush-and-paula-bennett-talk-law-and-order-ram-raids-and-ministerial-memories/HSC7XTKDOIN5SCAG6OO2QRBB2M/
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November 6, 2022 9:17am
- kowtow
  
  A court case ……..bwahahahahaha.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:20am
  - Prince
    
    Yeah, leading to the taxpayer providing ‘wrap around support’ for the thugs.
    As if there is any effective monitoring once they are tipped back among us on home d.
    
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    November 6, 2022 9:36am
    - dubya
      
      Don’t forget the obligatory Cultural Report!
      
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      November 6, 2022 10:40am
  - Bridgenag
    
    I am more concerned with possible mafia style scams from the gangs to hapless shopkeepers………
    
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    November 6, 2022 9:47am
Tony Stuart

The Herald has a story this morning; a puff piece on what the PM would do if she had unlimited money.

What a ridiculous proposition! Everyone knows we don’t have unlimited money; in fact we have billions of dollars of debt, which is rising fast. We’re $144 BILLION in the hole, and that’s rising at a rate of $3.5 million per hour or $86 million per day.

Check the NZ Debt Clock, and note the speed at which those numbers are spinning;. it’s bloody frightening!

https://www.debtclock.nz/
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November 6, 2022 9:23am
- Ghost
  
  She’ll likely give a shit load away overseas, then the rest to continue a path of apartheid in New Zealand.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:26am
- Nickc2
  
  That Debt Clock should be projected as a Back-Drop behind the Govt’s Podium of Truth eh?
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:30am
- Prince
  
  The worst aspect is that the Govt spends $86M more each day than it ‘earns’.
  And any calls for Govt spending to be controlled is met with accusations of ‘slashing welfare’.
  The recipe for generational poverty as today’s bright young things will have to pay it all back. Labour has no answers.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:32am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Not to worry.
    UBI coming.
    But vote for Labour next year first.
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe Labour thinks the ‘debt’ will be forgiven, like student loans?
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:26pm
- kowtow
  
  As I said earlier this is part of the Herald entering the Re elect Labour Campaign 2023 . That article is accompanied by a large and flattering photo of Ardern.
  
  It comes under their self proclaimed major series The New New Zealand ; Rebuilding Better .
  
  ” The series will examine issues including the economy, health & social division, through the lenses of equity and climate to ensure our plans for the future are sustainable & support all kiwis”.
  
  I am deeply suspicious of the timing of this ,coming as it does just before and during the weekend of the Labour conference.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:46am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Similar to the stories she used to tell about what she would fix if she was Prime Minister:
  
  – child poverty
  – housing crisis
  – ruling for all NZers
  – please add here
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:21am
  - Ghost
    
    -Implement a national protection of Lamingtons
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:25am
- Sacha
  
  “If I won the lottery, I’d . . . . . . . . . . . “
  
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  November 6, 2022 12:03pm
SmokerGuy

FFS watching Campbell interview Ardern this morning is so god damn frustrating. So many issues he could nail her on and he just gives her a free ride. Nothing about emergency accomodation, nothing about ram raiders, nothing about the massive wastage on money on things like tvnz/rnz merger. Our media really do this country no favours.
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November 6, 2022 9:25am
- Nickc2
  
  They’re oxygen thieves. That Campbell Kritter is so far up Ardern’s arse, his boots aren’t even showing.
  
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  November 6, 2022 9:39am
  - SmokerGuy
    
    It’s a complete joke, people like Campbell love to tear up the other side to their politics but can’t he see how much this country is going backwards? Even if he supports the left, surely even he should he highly pissed off with how Labour are going. That’s if he actually cares about things like violent crime, hardship, health etc. Labour has sent us backwards by a considerable amount on all these areas and more. How can any journalist who cares about NZ not be outraged???
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:52am
    - MCōs
      
      However he’s fine when he interviews Doc Reti, it seems.
      I didn’t watch Q & A so I don’t have an opinion on these interviews, but are interviewers to be judged on whether or not they nail politicians you don’t like to the wall?
      
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      November 6, 2022 12:29pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Nobody’s saying that. FYI, what people are saying is that they are pissed off with so-called journalists/interviewers embarking on personal gotcha crusades when writing about or interviewing Politicians.
        In the media we’re talking about here, their job is to report the news, not be the news or any part of it and IMO John Campbell forgot that principle years ago.
        Remember the stolen Military Medals from the Army Museum in Waiouru where Campbell used an actor (filmed using a dark shade lens and disguised voice) claiming to have been involved in the theft?
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/657323/Campbell-misled-viewers-with-medal-interview
        
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        November 6, 2022 1:22pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Bit of deflection Mcos – the real issue as you can very well see is the ongoing and constant bias of our media.
        
        If we want to maintain a democracy we need to fight to reinstate an objective, unbiased media. This is something the politicians right of labour should be calling out loud and clear.
        
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        November 6, 2022 2:06pm
      - JimBobJoe
        
        NO Cossie.
        
        BUT Ms Ardern has presided over a massive delivery failure in every aspect of government influence all while hiring 14000 more public servants
        
        Wee John Campbell used do tearful stories on homeless when the Nats had the Executive. Ms Arderns number one policy was Kiwibuild – to address housing shortages, which has failed completely.
        
        Where are the questions from wee John Campbell about that failure which is in a policy area he supposedly cared about above all else??
        
        Campbell and all at RNZ and TVNZ are useless and should be sacked…..
        
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        November 6, 2022 2:54pm
Yvette

If you haven’t read it already, I wish to thoroughly recommend the post by KIWI IN AMERICA who writes: he has recently returned, and “Sadly, New Zealand is a different place than even 5 years ago.”
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/11/nz_4_years_on_bittersweet_-_part_2.html

Please see in particular –
3 – EXCESSIVE MAORIFICATION
Lest I ever be accused of racism, I believe my experiences and closeness to Maori and Maori culture far exceed those of the average white middle class Pakeha …
– to the end
Thank you, Kiwi in ~~America~~ New Zealand
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November 6, 2022 9:27am
- Observer of Life
  
  Yvette: Definitely an excellent read.
  
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  November 6, 2022 8:37pm
Ghost

There seems to be a lot of celebrities either passing over or getting sick, the latest, Aaron Carter has drowned in a bathtub. Weird
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November 6, 2022 9:34am
- kowtow
  
  Why weird ?
  
  He has /had drink and drug addiction problems.
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must have been imitating Hunter Biden
  
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  November 6, 2022 1:30pm
  - Ghost
    
    Clean for five years apparently
    
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    November 6, 2022 2:02pm
O C Smith

Unprecedented security at Labour Party Conference. Genuine concern of someone playing politics?
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November 6, 2022 9:44am
- kowtow
  
  Last week the Establishment went to great pains to tell us of the threats our society faced .
  
  This included the cancelling of some “disinformation” talk fest , as S Plunket said , “they scared themselves into cancelling themselves”.
  
  The ‘unprecedeted” is all part of the Fear spin crisis this regime is fostering to ensure their own survival .
  
  They’ve tasted it with fear over covid giving them an absolute majority .
  They are using climate fear porn in a similar manner and now along with other insecure anti democratic , authoritarian leaning regimes in the west , including Biden’s and Turdeau’s we have this new security fear mongering .And their Media Pardies are more than happy to go along with the Lie .
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:12am
Yvette

If Tukoroirangi Morgan is Waikato-Tainui, why is he to head Three Waters iwi body for Auckland and Northland”?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300731108/tuku-morgan-to-head-three-waters-iwi-body-for-auckland-and-northland
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November 6, 2022 9:47am
- O C Smith
  
  Morgan said all New Zealanders across the motu should have access to safe and reliable drinking water, wastewater and stormwater.
  
  Access to wastewater & storm water???
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sewerage must go to another place.
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:32pm
- Matt Long
  
  I wonder if he’ll be able to get diamond encrusted 40 million dollar undies courtesy of Nga Puhi, and Auckland Maori? And all water users of course.
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:17am
  - O C Smith
    
    .. and don’t forget the silk ties.
    
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    November 6, 2022 10:20am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That must be a New Zealand joke I don’t get.
    
    How many people don’t have access to safe drinking water? If there are some, deal with that problem.
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:20am
    - Yvette
      
      Benedict
      During his term in Parliament [Tukoroirangi Morgan] was involved in a number of controversies. One scandal in 1997 revolved around his spending NZ$4000 of Aotearoa Television funds on clothes including a pair of $89 underpants.
      
      How many people don’t have access to safe drinking water? If there are some,deal with that problem.
      And the organisation to “deal with that problem” is the new (mid November last year) Water Regulator under the governance of a Maori Advisory Council, chaired by Tipa Mahuta.
      
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      November 6, 2022 12:20pm
- virtualmark
  
  Because Nanaia Mahuta is also Tainui, and Maori elites think about what’s best for their own iwi first, the rest of Maoridom second, and rest of New Zealand occasionally.
  
  Tribal based societies tend to be rife with nepotism.
  
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  November 6, 2022 12:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Why is top of the South included with East Coast North Island.
  
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  November 6, 2022 12:22pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Because Ngai Tahu want their district to cover their rohe and their rohe only.
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Because the top of the South Island is not Ngai Tahu…and Ngai Tahu (imho) wouldn’t want any diverse opinions being expressed as how they were going to govern their 3 waters.
    
    Some of the 8 tribes of the top of the South Island affiliate to East-coast (Wairarapa and Hawkes Bay iwi).
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:22pm
Warren

We sit around always talking about this Labour Government being out of their depth and dividing New Zealander’s with their racial policy without giving credit to the majority of voters that they will do the right thing on Election day and vote this Labour Government out.
This is different to Covid-19 and why many older people voted Labour endorsing Jacinda Ardern as their wanted Prime Minister but you have to remember a lot of water has run under our bridges since then with plenty of lies showing our Prime Minister is not indispensable and not trusted like she was before the last election.
You can’t have the public abused and called the river of filth without consequences and you can’t use fund out of the Covid-19 fund set up to combat the Pandemic because you need to bribe the public to vote for you , you also can’t defer sick people away from hospitals A&E because you haven’t staffed your Hospitals around New Zealand that are badly needing staff and the Minister Andrew Little believes it his way or no way.
Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson are not to be trusted because many of the problems we face today are because their catch phrase’s of nine years of neglect and woefully underfunded with these sayings still being used today for excuse’s for these departments inept performances.
The polls have been against Labour and their Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern for a couple of months now so have faith that the Prime Minister ‘s buying of the media to sway the publics opinion will finally catch up and the voter will say enough is enough and vote a National- Act Coalition to do the job.
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November 6, 2022 9:56am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Every time Labour mentions nine years of neglect under National, I am reminded that Labour had 9 years in opposition in which they could have developed ideas and policies to improve our lot.
  
  But after 5 years in power, they’ve shown that they developed nothing of value in their nine years of opposition.
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:23am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Hundreds of working parties that saw hundreds of millions lavished on talkfests for their mates (corruption by any other name stinks the same) all to give them an excuse for not doing anything – and producing nothing of value for the taxpayers – demonstrated that they are completely incompetent as a political party. They are interested only in the power, not in improving NZ.
    
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    November 6, 2022 2:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/my-warkworth-speech-draws-fierce-attack/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7ULqmwn-I
Youtube comments are interesting.
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November 6, 2022 10:36am
HalfFull

Mike King calls it 3/4 way through. “This Government is the most racist Government ever”

Worth a watch.

https://www.todayfm.co.nz/home/national/2022/11/the-friday-panel-gumboot-friday-special-with-mike-king-jess-quinn.html
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November 6, 2022 10:43am
- Lee C
  
  Wow what an incredible interview.
  People, if you don’t watch anything else today do watch this:
  https://youtu.be/9fd25zGZamM
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:03am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Mike King is a great guy doing something positive for young peoples mental health. The Ardern Regime on the other hand said it was going to spend 1.9BILLION DOLLARS to fix mental health and the results………………………………………………………??????
    
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    November 6, 2022 11:47am
    - Sacha
      
      “body acceptance advocate”
      What the heck ?
      
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      November 6, 2022 12:05pm
    - Nickc2
      
      ……and nobody knows where the money went. Was it the Maori Health Authority to which the money was entrusted?
      
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      November 6, 2022 12:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trousered somewhere, same as the Democrats do.
        “you can’t get rich in politics unless you’re a crook.”
        Harry S. Truman.
        
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        November 6, 2022 1:43pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:07pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Agree…… Great interview.
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:11pm
O C Smith

How impressive was Dr Reti on Q&A this am. I think John Campbell may have been impressed.
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November 6, 2022 10:49am
- SmokerGuy
  
  He interviews better than any politician in NZ I reckon. I so hope he gets his chance, he’ll be an amazing health minister.
  
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  November 6, 2022 10:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://rumble.com/v1qt382-joe-rogan-a-red-wave-is-coming-thanks-to-the-woke-left.html?
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November 6, 2022 11:22am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/11/boxing-sonny-bill-williams-brutally-floored-by-kiwi-mark-hunt-in-first-loss.html

People are calling this an upset. Hardly.

A boxing match between between a very good rugby league player who was also a reasonable all black that turned into a gimmick boxer and religious zealot vs a career mma fighter. He’s lucky hunt didn’t kill him.

Oh well, at least sbw can get back to going to the mosque in the morning while his wife does all the cooking, cleaning and child rearing like a good Muslim female.
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November 6, 2022 11:29am
- Colville
  
  That “reasonable” rugby player has 2 World Cup winners medals for playing in both finals.
  
  Just saying!
  
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  November 6, 2022 11:57am
  - Opie
    
    In one of the greatest ab teams of all time.
    
    To sbws credit, he did his time after switching codes playing both npc and super rugby level. Starting on the wing before moving into the midfield.
    
    This allowed him to be a real contributor – in there based on merit, not just someone picked because they were good at league.
    
    We will wait to see how tuivasa sheck transitions but he’s looking more marshall than sbw…
    
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    November 6, 2022 1:39pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Really enjoyed Hunt throwing power shots straight down the pipe. Williams had no answer to well thrown boxing punches thrown accurately and with full leverage.
  
  Williams is not a genuine pro level fighter.
  
  And he was an average AB with one skill – getting the ball away in the tackle. His tackling was ok though he kept doing dumb things like head shots and shoulder hits with no arms…
  
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  November 6, 2022 3:00pm
oldfella

A few good chuckles in Powerline’s weekly wrap of US political humour.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/11/the-week-in-pictures-countdown-edition-2.php
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November 6, 2022 12:17pm
Tony Stuart

From Newshub:

TONIGHT AT 6PM – @ThreeNewZealand: Latest Newshub-Reid Research poll results will “send a shiver up the spine of one party”, Political Editor @JennaLynchNZ says bit.ly/3drq6rY #Newshub

Is this the start of Labour’s slide?
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November 6, 2022 12:44pm
- Its only I
  
  It could equally be National not pulling away even though….Labour.
  or Winston is a contender? No, please no, not that Son of a…
  
  I can honestly say I have never been to interested/invested in politics since Labour stripped off the brown shirts and exposed its red marxist belly.
  
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  November 6, 2022 1:24pm
MCōs

On Wednesday the Blackcaps are up against probably SouthAfrica for a spot in the final of T20 World Cup on Sunday at waterlogged Melbourne.
Sometime this coming weekend the Kiwis play Oz for a spot in the League World Cup final & on Saturday we’re off to watch Blackferns play the women of England for the Women’s Rugby World Cup!
After yesterday’s game at Eden Park where the women cruised to a one point win it might be good time to find out who sell high grade cannabis in the neighbourhood to calm the nerves.
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November 6, 2022 12:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kari Lake. Man, what a response! Just try it Hillary. You have the warning.
https://rumble.com/v1rjnw2-lol-kari-lake-has-perfect-response-to-hillary-clintons-attacks.html?
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November 6, 2022 1:21pm
slightlyrighty

The word is that tonights 3 News poll is a shocker for one party.
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November 6, 2022 1:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Have young folk deserted the Labour Party?

All the TV and Newspaper clips of the Labour conference I’ve seen show a very middle-aged and elderly contingent in attendance (and pretty white, also).
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November 6, 2022 1:29pm
- Opie
  
  Disgusting. I hate white people.
  
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  November 6, 2022 1:40pm
Benedict Yu

Jacinda’s go to person at Twitter about her drive to combat “misinformation” was Twitter General Counsel Vijaya Gadde.

He visited Jacinda in the Beehive and was reportedly onboard.

https://tinyurl.com/y7ypzv5y

He was shown the door by Elon Musk on Day 1. I have a feeling Twitter may now bump Jacinda’s misinformation drive down in its priorities.
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November 6, 2022 1:58pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Twitter has been Fact Checking Biden.
  https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2022/10/29/its-happening-elons-twitter-just-fact-checked-joe-bidens-official-presidential-account-n1641157
  The second time they did it, the WH deleted the Tweet.
  So I suspect Arderns gas lighting is going to start getting called out.
  Vijaya Gadde was the one who banned Trump.
  Hilarious that all this started because Musk was annoyed Twitter suspended the Babylon Bee for calling a man a man.
  Half of twitter are now losing their jobs. Imagine their faces when 50+ Software Engineers from Tesla and Space X rocked up and started examining the Code!
  
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  November 6, 2022 3:00pm
- Ra Henare
  
  The clip is previous Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey
  Vijaya Gadde is a woman
  
  Not up to your usual standard of accuracy/facts BY
  
  As noted on my school reports.
  Can do better
  
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  November 6, 2022 4:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    And here is a post from her https://twitter.com/vijaya/status/1176244495723220992
    
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    November 6, 2022 4:30pm
Tom Hunter

Vijaya Gadde is a woman.
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November 6, 2022 1:59pm
nathie

Breaking News!!?!

At today’s Labour Party conference Ardern and Robertson have announced Labour will put “one’s money where one’s mouth is” over the contentious issue of Co-Governance.

Concerned that the public don’t fully understand Co-Governance and concerned about ACT and National making political capital against it, Labour have announced the following:

“From tomorrow Labour will fully embrace and adopt Co-Governance so that the people of Aotearoa can see it working in real-life. So from tomorrow the following changes will take effect:

*Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern will be joined by Maori Co-Prime Minister Mahuta! An official ceremony will be held at ~~Parliament~~ MahutaCorp HQ on Tuesday!

*Deputy PM and Finance Minister Grant Robertson will be joined by Maori Co-Deputy PM and Finance Minister Willie Jackson! Please note that rumors that Willie wants to double NZ’s debt to fund everything he wants is refuded!

*Minister for Everything, the highly competent Chris Hipkins, will be joined by the new Co-Minister for Everything, Poto Williams! Please note that if anyone reports that Poto is failing yet again, will be deemed a racist, so don’t go there!

*Minister-in-Waiting for Everything Michael Wood, will be joined by … oh wait an announcement will be confirmed next week and please note that rumors that will be after Michael finishes throwing his toys of out the cot as he doesn’t want to share the limelight are refuded!

Please join us in celebrating this momentous occasion when Labour actually walks the walk, talks the talk and demonstrates even the Labour Party are not hypocrites when it comes to enacting change on ourselves, instead of everyone else but us!”
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November 6, 2022 1:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Happening in NZ, just the same as the US>
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/convicted-violent-offenders-who-were-paroled-have-been-arrested-again/
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November 6, 2022 2:02pm
NothingLeft

Neil Oliver on proposed amnesty for perpetrators of the Pandemic tyranny. Sharp as ever.
https://youtu.be/3m3yi82A8Zc?t=198
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November 6, 2022 2:16pm
Nickc2

More borrowed/printed money is being used to buy votes. Cindy’s extravaganza today.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-to-unveil-new-cost-of-living-measure-today/DH2Z4IFQTVBLFGIGU5JK5KSX3U/
Have a spew bucket handy when watching or reading this.
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November 6, 2022 2:31pm
- Ghost
  
  So things to deal with the cost of living will come in next April….
  
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  November 6, 2022 2:33pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, 1st of April. Does that remind you of anything?
    
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    November 6, 2022 2:37pm
    - JerJer
      
      Is that when the 10% mortgage interest rates kick in…?
      
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      November 6, 2022 2:40pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      More fool us?
      
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      November 6, 2022 5:29pm
- JerJer
  
  What a bollocks announcement. It’s a drop in the bucket unless you are one of the families that just sneaks in and didn’t get anything before but you now get 250 bucks for child care.
  
  The whole package adds up to bugger all, and completely ignores the retired folk that cannot really do anything to increase their income, so they will continue to be punished by inflation. So I suspect this is a vote loser and more of the retired fold will drift to National and New Zealand first.
  
  It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when a family income of 140k is not enough to support a family with two kids. If I was in that position and getting handouts, frankly I would be embarrassed.
  
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  November 6, 2022 2:40pm
  - artemisia
    
    So increased demand for child care. Has Ms Ardern realised there is already a shortage of ECE teachers.
    
    Yes it could free up caregivers to work, do more hours or spend more time on the sofa. If they can find an ECE facility.
    
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    November 6, 2022 4:52pm
Benedict Yu

So Julie Ann Genter is irate that Chris Luxon has promised to resume gas exploration.

“”To achieve this – and keep the climate healthy for future generations – we have to keep fossil fuels where they belong: in the ground. And yet, in the middle of a climate crisis, and at the very moment we need to accelerate efforts to cut climate pollution, Mr. Luxon announces a plan to put the gas burners on global warming.””

http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/409308

Firstly, she need not worry. I doubt the oil companies are going to come running back. The time horizons for pay back are too long.

However that aside, does she really believe that New Zealand is going to ‘stop using gas’? (Or that the world will stop using gas?) If we do not have gas in Taranaki we will need to import it from Australia.

Here is the data:

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-statistics-and-modelling/energy-statistics/gas-statistics/

Industrial use of gas has increased by 50 percent since 2010, driven by food processing and chemicals production. Commercial and residential use has remained fairly constant.

Even if all gas could be eliminated from electricity generation (which I doubt), gas will still be required for industrial, commercial, and residential use. How does she think that is going to stop?

Globally, the world will be using more gas in 2030 than today. JAG lives in some parallel world.

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/natural-gas-demand-by-scenario-2010-2030

Based on the current ‘stated climate change policies’ global gas consumption will increase by about 10 percent to 2030!

Even on the most optimistic scenario, where EVERY country signs up to, and implements, a ‘net zero’ policy at 2050, gas consumption will only fall by 16 percent by 2030. (And the chances of that are similiar to gigantic flocks of flying pigs.)

In summary, on the most likely scenario, the world, and New Zealand will be using MORE gas in 2030 than we do today? What does JAG suggest? We switch off all gas supply to the hospitality sector? We stop making fertiliser? We will need lots of gas. If it does not come from Taranaki (which is now doomed – thanks for the captain’s call Jacinda), it will be imported from Australia.
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November 6, 2022 2:49pm
- rouppe
  
  Due to the rush for unreliable renewables, having gas as a fuel source at least domestically would be the smart move.
  
  It would reduce demand on the electricity supply, holds it’s potential energy when not being used (as opposed to the national grid), and is effective at its core domestic roles, cooking and heating.
  
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  November 6, 2022 3:38pm
Biscuit

Going back to evil horseracing a moment, did you note that a horse named for All Blacks No. 10 Richie Mo’unga ran second at Flemington yesterday and took its total earnings to $A 2,825.790.

Richie Mo’unga himself was gifted a 10% share in the horse before it had its first start and, very nobly, donates all of his cut of the earnings to the Child Cancer Foundation in New Zealand.

‘‘I’ve been brought up around kids my whole life, and it’s heartbreaking to see kids going through that, that have been dealt the short hand. For me, it’s a good opportunity to connect with them and do what I can to try and help them as much as possible,’’ Mo’unga said some time ago.

If my maths are anything near accurate – not something you’d want to bet on, ha – the CCF would have received $A 282,579 by now. Over $NZ 300,000, like…

Read and weep, Starship Trustees…
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November 6, 2022 3:08pm
rouppe

Ardern has made more people dependant on a state benefit

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-to-unveil-new-cost-of-living-measure-today/DH2Z4IFQTVBLFGIGU5JK5KSX3U/
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November 6, 2022 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In one way she just does not get it. For both parents to work Jaspinda wants more childcare subsidies. The other way is for one parent to stay home with the children, meaning less money, and more likely to vote for false promises of free shit.
  
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  November 6, 2022 4:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Texas Governor Gregg Abbot is having a lot of fun with ‘sanctuary cities’
Lori Lightfoot is not happy – still recovering from the previous Administration (what a cop out)
https://redrightdaily.com/texas-governor-abbott-blesses-another-great-american-city-watch-the-mayors-reaction/
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November 6, 2022 3:34pm
- rouppe
  
  The interesting comment coming from one of the migrants: “we were expecting someone to be here”…
  
  Expecting….
  
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  November 6, 2022 5:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Expecting? A Democrat must have promised ‘free shit’
    
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    November 6, 2022 6:22pm
Pineapple Lumps

Jacindas dream if she had the money, free early childhood education for all children.

Straight from the Communist playbook, let’s enhance the power of the state, breakdown the family, and begin the indoctrination of the serfs as early as possible.

The sooner the tide goes out on this government the better. But are the parties right of this government going to do anything to enhance families and diminish the states influence over the next generation?
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November 6, 2022 4:00pm
- rouppe
  
  Interestingly that’s what Hitler did. Provided free child care to get more people in the factories producing “farm tractors” which turned out to be effective gun and troop carriers.
  
  By the time the families realised, little Fritz was a Hitler youth member and a few years after that was old enough to enlist for the fatherland
  
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  November 6, 2022 5:33pm
Tasman devil

Happy news: Only 51 weeks of the Prime Muppet to go.
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November 6, 2022 4:10pm
Ghost

Bloody hell, leaks on the tvnz radio nz merger will cost $6 billion funding over the next 30 years

National leader Christopher Luxon has labelled the Government’s substantial $189 million boost to the country’s childcare subsidies scheme as “band-aid economics”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nationals-christopher-luxon-reacts-after-governments-childcare-subsidy-announcement/CJR5J2JT7VBAVCBFPI5ZIP6O5I/
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November 6, 2022 4:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something to distract us from shit and Politics. No, this is not a diversion by Jaspinda.
https://independentminute.com/2022/11/04/three-dozen-toy-soldiers-lined-up-on-stage-then-they-made-a-move-that-brought-the-house-down/
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November 6, 2022 4:34pm
Ghost

A good selection

National has selected its candidate for the Hamilton West by-election battle.

Iwi leader Tama Potaka has been chosen by local party members to challenge for the seat, which was held by ex-Labour MP Dr Gaurav Sharma until his resignation.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/national-selects-tama-potaka-as-candidate-for-hamilton-west-by-election.html
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November 6, 2022 5:18pm
- rockape
  
  A good choice and based on merit .
  
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  November 6, 2022 6:14pm
Warren

If the Labour Party is the one that gets the shivers down their spine tonight because of the Latest Reid Research Poll , you can guarantee that it will not take long for the infighting to take hold with many of their current MP’S wondering how long it will be before they know who will lose their jobs.
The other thing that they will be worried about the Prime Minister’s mood swings and how unpleasant that could be leading up to the 2023 General Election.
The writing has been on the wall for several months and I can’t wait to see the face of Jacinda Ardern if the chat is right.
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November 6, 2022 5:34pm
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  Suspect they may well be shivering with those numbers!!
  
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  November 6, 2022 6:14pm
- Ghost
  
  I think the infighting has already started looking at Jacinda on the news
  
  I disagree though that these numbers are because of the cost of living, I think it is the shit storm that labour has created is starting to be felt, from health, to 3 waters, to crime, cost of living, etc etc.
  
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  November 6, 2022 6:16pm
- Its only I
  
  The mood swing thing is also an entitled celebrity thing.
  
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  November 6, 2022 6:20pm
- igm
  
  May the socialist slime dissipate rapidly from herein.
  
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  November 6, 2022 7:53pm

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