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Peter Lane

Audrey Young’s at it again, rating Labour Ministers in the Herald this morning. I won’t link because it’s premium as usual but the ‘stars’ are Robertson, Sepuloni, Brylcreme Boy and Verrall all rated 8 but they are dwarfed by the 9 for Damien O’Connor.

Some of the comments are truly nauseating and show how out of touch with reality Audrey really is.

I must admit my first thought was that the ratings were out of 100.

Time to put your feet up and bow out Audrey.
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December 5, 2021 10:06am
- Nickc2
  
  Once people like Audrey have been tarred with the Labour Brush, they can’t be painted over.
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:11am
- Benedict Yu
  
  A 9 for an Agriculture Minister who destroys agriculture. ☹️
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Does not compute! ….. Does not compute! (Lost in Space TV series (1965))
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Rating” Ministers is meaningless. It is their achievements that should be rated. And they are all negative.
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:58am
- nathie
  
  Being Premium the NZH’s readership missed out on these little “Audrey jems”:
  
  Ardern: “Improves with experience but ironically losing popularity”.
  
  More like “hides” with experience – MIA during the Parliamentary protests and “Antarctica” anyone? Anyway here is another doozy:
  
  Ardern: “Impressive command of detail across Govt and often trounces Christopher Luxon in Parliament”.
  
  Seriously? I wouldn’t call spinning, deflecting, word-soup waffling and quickly turning her head to a different reporter (to shut the questioning down) as “impressive” traits! As for “trounces” Luxon it’s interesting to compare that with reality i.e. actual footage of QT usually has Luxon giving Ardern a good thrashing of reality, all for Ardern to give a glib answer with an insult at the end … and Audrey’s fan club think that’s “trouncing”?
  
  Robbo: “Brings credibility and stability to Finance in tough times.”
  
  Seriously this is not made up, not only did Audrey say that … she believes that!
  
  Nashie: “On the ball. Competent and credible in business-facing portfolios, a valued commodity in Labour”.
  
  Yup again Audrey said and believes that, go figure!
  
  Willie: “Combines strong advocacy with pragmatism in Maori development”. “Kudos for trying to explain co-governance policy”.
  
  What planet is Audrey on? More like motor-mouth Willie bad-mouths rather than explains!
  
  Mr “River of Filth”: “Excellent minister. On top of portfolios. Combines good public communications with attention to policy detail and promotion of party values. Appeals to the base. Especially valuable in sorting out immigration in past five months. ”
  
  Oh dear Audrey is in love with Michael … or seriously, thinks he has got what it takes to be the next leader (and can’t see why that is Cunliffe like reasoning)!
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:00am
  - Janabelle
    
    What has she been drinking – or smoking, or both
    
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    November 5, 2022 12:00pm
    - Scooter
      
      More like cognitive decline.
      
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      November 5, 2022 7:33pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Nathie, I’m a day behind but that post gets the best post of the day for yesterday and today IMHO.
    
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    November 6, 2022 7:01am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I choked on my toast today seeing on the Newshub website, an article about the Labour Party Conference and the slogan on the overhead ‘5 years of progress’ ….. moronic deluded idiots… and those are the people voting for these clowns. Worst government in my lifetime.
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:13am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Someone should tie Jacinda to a chair and make her read out what she promised on housing in 2017. I distinctly remember being told that we would have ‘affordable houses’. We now have the least affordable houses in the OECD apart from Hong Kong.
    
    How is that progress?
    
    Lunatics.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:39am
    - rockape
      
      Yes, 600k for a two bed in Queenstown or Auckland.
      
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      November 5, 2022 11:46am
    - Ian Boag
      
      National will fix it.
      
      Tax cuts. Restore interest deductibility. Gut the brightline. That will get us a whole heap of new affordable houses quick smart.
      
      Market will fix it of course. Always does …..
      
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      November 5, 2022 11:53am
      - herb1
        
        What you mean Ian is National will allow the market to fix the mess that always occurs under Labour , but certain people seem to have an inability to admit that
        
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        November 5, 2022 12:51pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Tax cuts. Restore interest deductibility. Gut the brightline. That will get us a whole heap of new affordable houses quick smart.
        
        These measures will go some way to restoring the (capital gain driven) profitability associated with selling houses to each other. Might not do a lot to encourage construction of new rental stock …
        
        So I’m a bit at a loss to figure what the “market sorting it out” will look like.
        
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        November 5, 2022 7:50pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    But I’m reminded of an interview with Billy Idol some decades ago talking about the superficial celebrity business. He said you can be an idol just by calling yourself one.
    In the eyes of the voters this govt will be seen to have made 5 years of wonderful progress just because they say they have.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:48am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Audrey no so Young is out and out Labour. I won’t be surprised if she is included in Labour list for 2023. She may as well make a disclosure that she is a card carrying Labour party member. I never read anything she writes.
  
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  November 5, 2022 12:24pm
  - Paulus
    
    She could not sfford to take a drop in Salary as a Labour List MP, but there will be so few that she should not bother.
    
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    November 5, 2022 2:20pm
- backster
  
  O’Connor……Farming in a state of crisis due to excessive regulation, climate tax and and large sheep and cattle stations being sold off to foreign corporations to plant fire prone pine trees on.
  Robertson….excessive borrowing leading to rampant inflation under the guise of the pandemic requirements but squandered on matters not connected with the pandemic but lavished on Maori and others without any accountability,
  Sepuloni…..Huge numbers on misnamed jobseeker benefits some been seeking for 10 years or more. It’s true though they are three of the best the others are so much less competent.
  
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  November 5, 2022 1:19pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    large sheep and cattle stations being sold off to foreign corporations to plant fire prone pine trees on.
    
    Sold by their kiwi (?) owners. Should we make this illegal or what? The anecdotal stuff I heard from a couple of cockies was that the foreigners walk up the drive and offer up to 2x what the farmers thought the place was worth.
    
    Go figure.
    
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    November 5, 2022 7:54pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Participation awards. We’re living in a post rational era where results and harms are no longer to be taken into account when assessing the performance of the political left.
  
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  November 5, 2022 3:19pm
Yvette

NZ does U-turn on rights charter
April 24 2010
Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples has flown secretly to New York for a speech to the United Nations signing New Zealand up to a declaration on indigenous rights …
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3599153/NZ-does-U-turn-on-rights-charter

Was it worth it? Pita Sharples reflects on the UN Declaration of Indigenous Rights
https://www.thebigq.org/2018/07/16/was-it-worth-it-pita-sharples-reflects-on-the-un-declaration-of-indigenous-rights/
Finally, we got the word: ‘Yes it’s okay, but don’t tell anyone.’ They thought that the headline ‘Māori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples has flown secretly to New York’ sounded good.

“Sounded good”? – perhaps a lame answer. Under what context would secrecy have “sound good”?

Simple question – What was the real reason “Maori Affairs Minister Pita Sharples flew secretly to New York for his speech to the United Nations”?

And what does it mean “NZ does U-turn on rights charter”?

OK – that’s two questions
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November 5, 2022 8:05am
Tomtoddy

If you look at NIWA’s website you will see reference to RCP8.5 and RCP 6.0 as potential scenarios for NZ’s climate. RCP is the ‘projected pathway for the planet’s temperatures’.

The interesting thing is that RCP8.5 and RCP6.0 were virtually ignored in the last COP meeting and are completely missing from the working papers for COP27 about to start in Egypt. Officials in the IPCC have had to admit their future predictions of 4 to 6 degrees of warming were wildly wrong. Embarrassed, they have quietly dropped them.

But not the alarmists in NZ. Check your local council’s policies for example on coastal issues and you will find RCP8.5 is the basis for determining housing near the coast. Right throughout central and local government these extreme scenarios are used as the reason for policies.

The IPCC and our officials always knew RCP8.5 and RCP6.0 were ultra-extreme and simply impossible. Yet they used language like RCP8.5 is “business as usual”. Their deception is evident when you realise that for RCP8.5 to happen we would have increase coal consumption by 500% and take no mitigation measures. There is not that much recoverable coal in the world and mitigation had already started. Pure fraud.

How much more backtracking will occur as temperatures fail to go up as predicted? No increase now for 15 years or so. How much longer can officials and local scientists hoodwink us using predictions that have been abandoned because they are simply bogus?
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November 5, 2022 8:05am
- Mike H S
  
  Dr Kelvin Duncan is one local (NZ) scientist who has spoken out in his book “Climate Change – a Counter Blaste to the Man-Made Global Warming Myth”.
  
  It is a very good read full of good data to ruin the arguments of the alarmists.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    I read the other day that the great Oracle of all knowledge Greta Thunberg has admitted Cop27 is a scam and Climate Change is being used by people in authority as a means of Green Washing the world. Who would have thought?
    I guess She’s now off Cindy’s and the Greens’ Christmas Card lists eh?
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/greenwashing-lying-cheating-greta-thunberg-says-climate-summit-cop27-scam-101667196048556.html
    
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    November 5, 2022 9:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Green Washing? How dare they, blah blah blah
      
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      November 5, 2022 10:50am
  - Mike H S
    
    OOoops. Slight error in the title of the book.
    
    “Global Warming A Counter-Blaste to the Man-Made Global Warming Hypothesis.”
    
    ISBN: 9781872970 84 2 Published by Tross publishing, Wellington.
    
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    November 5, 2022 9:51am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Dr Kelvin Duncan gone by lunch time Mike HS bro.
    
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    November 5, 2022 12:25pm
  - backster
    
    We are not alone with climate change
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=marXhyDw3i8&list=RDCMUCTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ&index=3
    
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    November 5, 2022 1:30pm
- CJames
  
  If the authorities cannot admit their Covid actions were wrong, there is absolutely no way they will back down on climate Armageddon. So many people have built their careers on it.
  I wonder when the realisation of both the financial and lifestyle cost to the average household of Net Zero becomes public knowledge, whether there will be a popularist revolt. Currently, it is already about 10% of both your power and fuel bill, just in direct costs. The retrograde taxes transfer money from the poor to the rich. All those carbon credit pine forests planted on farmland are a good example.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:23am
  - Taieri
    
    Currently, it is already about 10% of both your power and fuel bill, just in direct costs.
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    What I find a bit strange is that the power companies such as for example Meridian, which don’t operate any thermal plants also increase their charges to allow for ETS. But then again, what do I know being just a simple engineer.
    
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    November 5, 2022 8:46am
    - CJames
      
      Meridian has to buy options from Genesis to get generation from Huntly to service its customers for when the South Island lakes are low. They call on that option more often than people realise. The cost of carbon charges for Huntly are probably around $100/MWh, depending on the composition of its coal.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:02am
      - kowtow
        
        Couldn’t be Meridian , they’re the ones using that Green Witch to promote their greenwash …….
        
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        November 5, 2022 10:02am
    - CJames
      
      Meridien also need NI power for their customers there when the wind doesn’t blow and there are restrictions on the DC. The cable might be rated at 1000MW, but Transpower doesn’t like it operating above 750MW because more than that, they have to carry the security charges for being the largest point of supply on the grid.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:09am
      - Taieri
        
        Thanks for the explanation.
        
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        November 5, 2022 9:40am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Meridien also need NI power for their customers there when the wind doesn’t blow and there are restrictions on the DC.
        
        This must be why Max Bradford’s privatised multi-generator (“competitive”) model is soooo much better than when Electricorp (or the NZED) ran the whole country as a single entity …
        
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        November 5, 2022 7:58pm
    - Tomtoddy
      
      https://tasman.govt.nz/my-council/projects/coastal-management-responding-to-climate-change/coastal-management-frequently-asked-questions/
      
      Scroll down to the question “How do we know the rate of sea level rise?”
      
      This is a very serious issue. It is costing us dearly as ratepayers and taxpayers for this junk science to be the basis for so many policies.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The rise is not really known, so they put up wild guess bullshit. Thing is, none of us will be around when the se level has risen 2 M.
        Crock of shit.
        
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        November 5, 2022 11:00am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Thats why I invested in the power companies when they were partly privatised. And I have done very well. I treat the dividends as an offset to my power bill and the tax free capital gains as my earnings. Most Kiwisavers will be partly invested in these companies so I treat my direct investment as a top up.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:22am
      - Hebe123
        
        Ditto. If you had any understanding of the industry they were a no brainer.I still have Contact shares from its IPO too, they have all done well.
        
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        November 5, 2022 1:50pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Science advances one funeral at a time. Eventually the controlling senior climate profiteers will be replaced by younger people not so invested in selling lies and more able to walk-back the hyperbole.
    
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    November 5, 2022 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is a dam good statement. The young inherit the bullshit without really knowing it is bullshit, but continue selling the bullshit!
      
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      November 5, 2022 11:02am
  - nathie
    
    This is how “Net Zero” is playing out in the UK.
    
    Telegraph headline:
    “Net zero goals will require installation of hundreds of miles of cables and pylons.
    
    National Grid says seven times as much infrastructure must be built in the next seven or eight years than was built in the last 32″.
    
    Just let that bolded bit sink in … for all of 1 second!
    
    NZ wouldn’t be any different (my friends in the electricity industry tell me that NZ’s infrastructure would struggle if EV uptake took off a bit more, it needs significant (as in unbelievable) amounts of investment …. and over a very long period of time. It’s unpractical as we can’t afford it!
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/01/net-zero-goals-will-require-installation-hundreds-miles-cables/
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:10am
- G152
  
  I enjoyed the wave height claims that literally have been pushed to heights of absurdity.
  And claiming the usual wave erosion of the coast as evidence of sea rise.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sea level rises twice a day
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:06am
    - rockape
      
      Not strictly true. Some places near the equator have one tide a day and some like the Solent in the uk have 4 .
      
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      November 5, 2022 11:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I did notice the rise and fall of the tide in Hawaii, about half a meter.
        Now there are other tides called ‘Bore Tides. I have not seen it in Alaska, but people surf the bore tide coming into Turnagain Arm in Alaska.
        
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        November 5, 2022 5:16pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Judith Curry has just written a good post about this.
  
  https://judithcurry.com/2022/11/02/the-climate-crisis-isnt-what-it-used-to-be/
  
  At least we can still vote this pack out and bring some sanity back to the table.
  Oh wait, National are “fully on board” with Nut Zero.
  As far as I know, even ACT are on board with this suicide mission. I’d love to be shown to be wrong about that.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    No ACT voted against the Net Zero target legislation.
    
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    November 5, 2022 8:44am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      But where are ACT now on climate change? I believe David Seymour is a ‘cap and trade’ believer??
      
      We need a party to come clean and rule out the whole climate change nonsense.
      
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      November 5, 2022 8:54am
      - kowtow
        
        And why do we think they pulled out all the stops to unseat Trump.
        
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        November 5, 2022 9:58am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “We need a party to come clean and rule out the whole climate change nonsense.”
        
        I think that is unlikely. If New Zealand withdrew from the United Nations Framework on Climate Change, we would be the only nation globally to do so. There is no doubt that we would face trade boycotts. Better to take modest mitigation actions using the most efficient policies. Such a course would impose a tiny fraction of the costs of the Government’s current policies.
        
        At the end of the day what New Zealand does makes no difference. So do as little as possible as efficiently as possible.
        
        Trump is different. New Zealand is not the United States.
        
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        November 5, 2022 11:06am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        BY – instead of saying we would be the _only_ country to pull out, we could think optimistically and think we’d be the _first_ to pull out.
        World leaders!
        
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        November 5, 2022 11:19am
      - backster
        
        We should follow closely behind China and ahead of India on our emission reductions allowing for scale.
        
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        November 5, 2022 1:37pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I’ve had a quick skim over this…
      https://www.act.org.nz/policies/environment
      They seem a bit schizophrenic to me.
      They seem to mix environment and ‘climate change’ together. They say that any policy we implement must be effective, but we already know that _anything_ we do will have no measurable impact on the climate. Just read (if you can stomach it) the climate change report produced by Rod Carr.
      Still, ACT are probably the best of a bad bunch wrt policy. (Chris shudders a little bit)
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:03am
- Cassandra
  
  In my 73 years of using Mission Bay and its beach I’ve detected no rise in the water level. Sure it may have risen a little – and it might have dropped as far as I can see. The weather is certainly changing, as it always has. Why are we trying to show that we’re leaders in the carbon reduction race? Isn’t CO2 a vital part of our world? And how do we pay for our welfare and health demands and reduce milk and meat production? So many questions. Bugger all answers. So many theories. Bugger all facts. Someone said years ago that NZ should be a fast follower. That sounds very sensible.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:33am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Isn’t CO2 vital? Absolutely. The more the merrier. It’s plant food.
    Some people say it evens helps to warm the planet a little bit, although it turns out to be nowhere near as much as they’d have us believe.
    
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    November 5, 2022 9:06am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      A warming planet means more food can be grown. The worlds population is growing hence needs more food. I say the Climate Change Nutters are hell bent on denying the growing population that increased food. So they are condemning that increased population to starvation. What nice kind people these bastards are.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:27am
      - Don Beckett
        
        CO2 is not only plant food. All animal life would die without it – we depend on a certain amount of CO2 in our lungs to trigger our next breath to get more oxygen in & expel the building amount of CO2.
        
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        November 5, 2022 10:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      CO2 = plant food. Anyone tried to convince a vegan that?
      
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      November 5, 2022 11:12am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I live on the coast with a seawall at the bottom of the garden.
    According to NIWA the sea level has risen 20mm in the last 20 years, so 1 mm per year.
    I would be unable to detect a 20mm (2 cm) increase in the sea level. It would be lost among the usual tide fluctuation and normal wave patterns. I reckon it would require about a 5 cm rise before I could reliably detect it. A 5 cm rise would be evident at the highest of tides.
    So I think anecdotal statements such as the level of Mission Bay by just visiting the beach are not a particularly reliable guide. A significant amount of rise has to occur before we can readily detect it by casual observation.
    
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    November 5, 2022 9:15am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Nothing noticeable in the previous 70 years, but if believe the fearmongering from ‘news’ outlets like One News we’re going to see 30-50cm rise within a few decades (or was it by the end of this decade?).
      Hands up who thinks the sea will suddenly start rising an order of magnitude faster than current rates. Anyone?
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:26am
      - G152
        
        Every working harbour has a Tide Gauge.
        I would look at that first
        
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        November 5, 2022 1:18pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        G152- here we go…
        https://psmsl.org/data/obtaining/rlr.monthly.plots/217_high.png
        Looks to me like ~150mm over the las century, and about 0 since the mid 80s.
        No signs of accelerating rise to my in expert eye.
        
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        November 5, 2022 1:35pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        And that graph is just one example of what tells me that reports about climate change are mostly fearmongering, bullshit and outright lies. It took about 1 minute to find that graph of actual data (not garbage from a climate model), and it shows nothing scary at all, and actually contradicts the claims of the supposed experts that tell us that we’re in a crisis.
        These people are not our friends.
        
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        November 5, 2022 1:42pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      Thanks, Wayne. Exactly the kind of response that we have come to expect from you, no matter what the topic.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:32am
      - nathie
        
        C’mon Nuk, Wayne took the time to articulate his observations and thoughts (whether we agree or not), rather than glib one-liners etc. Why can’t we play the ball and not the man?
        
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        November 5, 2022 11:14am
    - Cassandra
      
      Drowning Pacific countries is one of the justifications for a massive change in policy internationally. While my use of Mission Bay is not at all precise, it is surely as good an indication of what is going on as much of the “information” behind much climate change policy. Of course we should not base our national policy on Cassandra’s 73 years of beach use but let’s not shoot ourselves in the foot over this. Man’s effect on the planet is measurable eg we know how much deforestation has occurred; man’s effect on climate much less so. Let NZ be a fast follower, not a leader.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:42am
      - Don Beckett
        
        But Cassandra – Al Gore told you back in 1992 that the sea level has risen 60 cm. by now – you must have your wrong glasses on. //
        
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        November 5, 2022 10:27am
      - Blackbob
        
        Didn’t Auckland University carry out a Satellite based survey of the Pacific Islands re land mass in 2016 -ish? I believe they found 80% had no change and the other 20% had got bigger from the same survey 25 years previously.
        
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        November 5, 2022 11:22am
    - virtualmark
      
      But Wayne isn’t that a rather large point?
      
      NIWA etc wring their hands about a 1-2 deg C temperature rise. Winter in Invercargill has daily highs of about 7 deg. Summer in Alexandra – 200km away by road – regularly gets daily highs over 30 deg. The good people of Southland/Otago manage to cope with a 23+ deg difference each year without mass deaths or extinction.
      
      Yes, climate is likely changing. Yes, human activity has likely accelerated that process significantly. Yes, we should take practical actions to stop that.
      
      But the movements we’re being alerted to are relatively small compared to the normal environmental ranges, and very small compared to the range humans have proven they can survive in (Inuits to Touaregs).
      
      So I don’t see why there’s a need for hysteria, such as we’ll no doubt see at COP27.
      
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      November 5, 2022 9:48am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “The good people of Southland/Otago manage to cope with a 23+ deg difference each year without mass deaths or extinction.”
        
        That is not how global mean temperatures work. 20,000 years ago, the South Island of New Zealand was covered in glaciers. Mid latitude areas of the world were between 6 and 10 degrees colder than today. That is all. The point is that a 5 degrees change in the global MEAN temperature is a very very big deal.
        
        https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/05/12/during-the-last-ice-age-the-tropics-were-colder-than-we-thought-bad-news-for-us/
        
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        November 5, 2022 2:13pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Sure Benedict,
        
        At one stage central Otago was a sub-tropical lake. Ranfurly, as we know it, was underwater and there were crocodiles.
        
        At another stage Otago, and much of the South Island, was covered in glaciers.
        
        Climate does change. We (humans) are doing things that are pushing that process faster. I support the plan that we should change our ways.
        
        But I don’t support the apocalyptic nonsense that we get from the Greens, Greta Thunberg, and the other climate doomsayers about how this will/could be an extinction event etc etc.
        
        If Wellington gets 2 degrees warmer it will be like Auckland (where people are not dying of the temperature). If Auckland gets 2 degrees warmer it will be like Sydney (where people are not dying of the temperature).
        
        If we (big collective humanity we) are really motivated to stop extinction level events then there are a lot of others things that are more important – like access to clean unpolluted water as a simple example.
        
        Perhaps unpopular opinion: The biggest problem we face as a planet is over-population. If the Earth had 5 billion people instead of 8 billion then a host of problems (climate change, famine, water access & quality etc) would be resolved.
        
        For example, Bangladesh has 55% of NZ’s land area, much of it unproductive, but 165 million people. That’s nuts.
        
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        November 5, 2022 2:51pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Hi Wayne, if I lived by the sea I would be more concerned about 30 metres of level rise in 30 seconds.
      I do hope that the rest of us won’t be hit with the cost of fixing rich people’s seaside homes when next large tsunami hits.
      
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      November 5, 2022 10:02am
      - Nickc2
        
        When were the previous large Tsunamis in NZ?
        
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        November 5, 2022 10:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        List of Tsunamis that hit NZ coasts here:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tsunamis_affecting_New_Zealand
        
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        November 5, 2022 10:25am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The chances of a tsunami in coastal New Zealand are non-trivial.
        
        A subduction earthquake on this fault is overdue.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermadec-Tonga_subduction_zone
        
        This is the type of earthquake that caused the devastating tsunami in Japan in 2011.
        
        https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/tohoku-earthquake-and-tsunami
        
        So I agree – I would be way more concerned about tsunami risk that climate change induced sea level rise. At least with the latter you have options. With the former you could be dead in 30 seconds 🙂
        
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        November 5, 2022 1:49pm
    - david
      
      But Wayne, surely you would easily detect the cumulative effect of 70 years of 2cm/year sea level rise.
      If you can’t the,n you either have to question the “science”or pat yourself on the back for your clever mitigation measures.
      
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      November 5, 2022 10:11am
      - Don Beckett
        
        It’s not 2 cm/year. Its 2 cm. overall – 1 mm. per year – have another read of what he said.
        
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        November 5, 2022 10:31am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “According to NIWA the sea level has risen 20mm in the last 20 years, so 1 mm per year.”
      
      Isn’t that the whole point? That is 500 mm in 500 years. I agree that this would have adverse effects. But think of the other risks to humanity that will unfold over the next 500 years. For example:
      
      – Decline of fresh water
      – Collapse of ecosystems and loss of biodiversity
      – Chemical and plastic pollution
      – A major pandemic (I mean a real one – with a fatality rate of > 1 percent in healthy working age adults)
      
      So yes sea level rise is a problem. But there are lots of real and potential problems. IMO it receives disproportionate media attention compared to other threats to humanity.
      
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      November 5, 2022 2:02pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The other day I looked closely at a photo of New Brighton beach from 1920. The shoreline looks identical to that of today.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sea level rise will only happen in the future. The past does not count.//
      
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      November 5, 2022 11:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I live on the Hill depicted on the left of the upper sketch – from October 1769.
      
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/artwork/33355/views-of-poverty-bay-from-cooks-first-voyage
      
      Apart from one of the islands having been removed, the coastal view today is remarkably similar (practically identical) to that depicted.
      
      The large mudstone slip at the foot of the 2nd hill (pa Hill) to the left is still there…as it was in the late 19thC.
      https://natlib.govt.nz/records/23102889
      
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      November 5, 2022 1:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ should be a slow follower. Wait for others to make their mistakes, then let them know that we knew it was all bullshit.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:11am
- 103PapPap
  
  I’ve always been amazed that a completely unelected body (United Nations) has so much say over democratically elected nations.
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:24am
Maggie's partner

I have been sent a secret recording of a meeting which took place in a private room at the French Café recently, on the first evening of the Labour Party Conference.

I thought it only fair to share it…..

JA: OK team, we need a boost in the polls, there’s an election coming up, and I don’t want to lose it because you lot can’t deliver anything. Being in power is the only thing stopping my wedding, and I have no intention of getting hitched if I can help it. Not to him anyway.

Grant R: Another trip to the Antarctic, perhaps, PM?

JA: No, I’m not going there ever again. Have you any idea how humiliating it is to be booed onto your plane by a million angry penguins? How was I to know they find Happy Feet culturally insensitive.

Andrew L: Fucking stupid birds, I’d have fucking sorted the little fuckers.

Megan W: The tea is pretty good here, can we have pudding as well?

Chris H: I have an idea, PM, it’s a bit unformed, but it might fly. How about we blame 9 years of National government.

JA: I like it Chipkins, I really do. And of course it’s true, which makes it all the better. Remind me to make you Minister of some more stuff on Monday.

Chris H: Thanks PM. I did have another thought

JA: Yes, go on.

Chris H: Well, we could just deny there’s a problem. We can get the media to say inflation has gone down, crime figures are at an all-time low, the health service is in great shape, and then release some internal polling…..

JA: Hold on Chippie, our internal polling has us well behind…

Chris H: That’s because we are asking the wrong people, PM. Look, how about this; who in this room will vote Labour? See, we have 100% in the polls.

JA: So we do. I knew everyone loved me really.

Megan W. Is anyone going to eat that last quiche?

Andrew L: I still say let me get Luxon behind the beehive bike sheds, I’ll sort the little fucker once and for all.

Grant R: How about some policy, PM, a plan even?

JA: You’re kidding, right Robbo? Plans fail. Policy fails. Everyone knows that.

Michael W: I could plant a MAGA hat in Luxon’s office?

JA: Love your work Woodsy. This is more like it. Now, we need a slogan for the next campaign. Any ideas?

Andrew Little: Vote Labour or I’ll kick the fucking shit out of you?

Grant R: How about Make New Zealand great again? Or third time lucky?

Megan W: I’m just going to see if the kitchen’s still open.

Chris H: Look, it’s a bit off the top of my head, but how about something like, say, Let’s do this?

JA: Brilliant, just brilliant. Right, Chippie, you are now Minister for Everything, the rest of you, up your game, or I’ll get Uncle Trevor to pay you a visit.
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November 5, 2022 8:07am
- Don Beckett
  
  Sounds like an episode of Gilbert & Sullivan’s “Mikado” savoy opera. 😆
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Very good – and true!
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:23am
- nathie
  
  Fantastic!
  
  It’s also noticeable that a number of Labour MP’s are clearly getting well fed because they are looking bigger particularly their facial features. And it’s just not the Ministers, some of their back-benchers clearly enjoy being fed on the taxpayer dime (plebs be warned – don’t get in their way when they are stampeding to the dining tables)!
  
  OTOH has anyone noticed how much National’s Chris Bishop has slimmed down?
  
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  November 5, 2022 2:05pm
Yvette

He Puapua: Cabinet to consider next steps on Māori self-determination, UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples
March 25, 2022
The Government will on Monday consider the next steps in developing a plan for Aotearoa to realise its international obligations around Māori self-determination.

Māori Development Minister Willie Jackson will take a paper to a Cabinet committee with feedback from Māori on the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP), and seeking approval start drafting a plan.

Following Cabinet sign-off, likely by April 5, work will begin work on a draft Declaration plan, scheduled to be released for consultation from June, with the aim of having a final plan signed off by the end of the year.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/he-puapua-cabinet-to-consider-next-steps-on-maori-self-determination-un-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples/DNMY6QJLIRFL3LLA3BR7SJXOIE/

So, where is draft Declaration plan, scheduled to be released for consultation from June?

Targeted Maori Elite had six month’s response
Willie Jackson has had more than four months to try to “water down” that response to something that may be acceptable when he takes it to Cabinet, and may not have yet done that.
So, how much time will this give the non-Maori 83 percent of the population to consider and have their say to enable “a final plan signed off by the end of the year”?
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November 5, 2022 8:16am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I would say the non-Maori caucus are back pedalling at the 100kms an hour on co-governance. The back benchers can see the dole queue beckoning. I would love to be a fly on the wall at Cabinet and caucus meetings to watch the shit fly between the Maori and non-Maori MPs. Popcorn time.
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:30am
Warren

Before the Labour Party Conference gets into full swing today and Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and her Deputy Finance Minister Grant Robertson start their excuses and the blame game for their stooges the media to smear the National Party over trust let your memory go back and remember how honest the Leadership of the Labour Government have been.
Remember how Grant Robertson the finance Ministers first Budget was hacked and how quick it was for him to blame the National Party for it and the leaks that followed only to find out it was one their Government’s Advisors that was responsible.
Then we have the Covid-19 slush fund that has twice been used to shuffle millions out of a fund set up to help the Government control health and financial happening that the Pandemic caused , not as a slush fund to buy votes to keep the Labour Party in power. Paying millions for School Lunches for many students, Camera’s on our Fishing fleet to stop the pillage of undersized and illegal amounts of seafood in our oceans, the Housing Excellaration Fund and Kainga Ora to help build the thousands of houses that were promised before Labour were elected as the Government.
Then we have the latest 70 million swiped out of the Covid-19 fund to be used bribing the Public over the contentious Three Water Policy that is dividing New Zealander’s.
So for Grant Robertson and Jacinda Ardern wanting to establish themselves being ‘Trusted’ more than Chris Luxon and the National Party is a joke , so why would try to compare when you have yourself have been dishonest with a fund set up for Covid-19 that you will leave Generations to pay for because of your lust to stay in power.
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November 5, 2022 8:17am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “Let’s keep going” is their slogan, apparently.
  They want to keep going down this destructive path? Nooooo!!!!
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:09am
  - blue collar
    
    I’m with ya nisbo….. let’s keep going suggests they considered or even hv another option .
    
    They don’t .
    
    Clueless , out of control , brain dead , moronic imbeciles with the IQ of a rock .
    
    The worst part is , they just can’t work out what the public want . Can’t understand why their ideology isn’t adored , they get told what we want and just won’t give it to us …. It’s like … we don’t want to do that , try and lead them down our path again but do it different .
    
    Fat headed , ignorant , soaking wet , arrogant , stupid , dumb , thick , retarded , air headed , naieve , half witted , fuckwitted clowns 🤡 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
    
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    November 5, 2022 9:25am
  - backster
    
    Reminds me of the Pied Piper.
    
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    November 5, 2022 1:51pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The precedent was set when they took 1 billion dollars from the COVID fund to finance the 25 cents reduction in petrol excise. I appreciate everyone was happy but let’s face it, the fuel excise cut had nothing to do with COVID.
  
  You can’t cheer when they use the COVID fund for something you like and then be surprised when they pillage it for crap policies. The fact that they did the latter comes as no surprise. They deliberately specified the Appropriation description as a “Multi purpose appropriation”. They can spend it on just about anything without breaking the law. National did not object to the wording of the Appropriation. Now we see the consequences.
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:17am
  - Lummox
    
    I don’t understand.
    In round numbers the government takes about half of the price we pay at the pump.
    When the price was, say, $2.20 they were getting $1.10. With the “real” price now being $3.20 they would be getting $1.60, but with the 25 cent discount they “only”get $1.35 per litre.
    So, as I see it, there is no cost at all to the government. Just less of an increase. How is that a cost to the government?
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:54am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “In round numbers the government takes about half of the price we pay at the pump.”
      
      No. It does not work like that.
      
      The petrol excise is FIXED. It does not change as the price of petrol changes due to changes in the oil price and the exchange rate.
      
      The petrol excise is 45.024 cents, 25 cents less than the previous rate of 70.024 cents. That amounts to about $1 billion in lost revenue by January 2023, when the 25 cents will be reinstated
      
      https://www.mbie.govt.nz/building-and-energy/energy-and-natural-resources/energy-generation-and-markets/liquid-fuel-market/duties-taxes-and-direct-levies-on-motor-fuels-in-new-zealand/
      
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      November 5, 2022 1:37pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren – Cindy is going to make a Cost of Living bribe announcement tomorrow. Money we don’t have will be splashed around to the sheeple and votes will be bought. That will sink the inexperienced Luxon and National for good.
  
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  November 5, 2022 12:35pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They have delivered cost of living bribes twice , both times they have dropped further in the polls
    
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    November 5, 2022 8:29pm
kiwikidsnz

Had enough ?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-road-rage-elderly-man-deals-to-patched-gang-member-in-papatoetoe-road-rage-dispute/4KHCCMBYE5HTXAJAKFYJSPBRIM/
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November 5, 2022 8:19am
- OlderChas
  
  Best video I’ve seen this year!
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It was posted yesterday, but worth a repeat.
  Us older people are old because we have been through this shit and lived.
  Good tangle.
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:49am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m probably at least as old as you, but I’ve never ‘been through that shit’.
    However
    I used to live in a house that overlooked a busy street and right across the road was a popular fish n chip shop.
    One evening as I sat on my verandah in the evening sunshine with a beer a squabble started between an older guy and a young guy.
    The old guy was waiting for someone to vacate a parking space. The young guy swooped in and grabbed it. The old guy got out of his car. They argued and he hit him through the window & keyed his car. The young guy got out of his car, thumped him, left him lying on the footpath and drove off.
    I rang the police and said I wanted to put a word in for the old guy. They said seeing as he resorted to violence first he was in the shit.
    A couple of days later the young guy came to my house and asking if I’d be a witness.
    Sorry, didn’t see a thing.
    
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    November 5, 2022 12:14pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Kiwikidsnz – While this may be brave, I am really worried about the safety of that old man now…
  
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  November 5, 2022 12:36pm
Taieri

But not the alarmists in NZ. Check your local council’s policies for example on coastal issues and you will find RCP8.5 is the basis for determining housing near the coast.
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Not sure which council policies you’re referring to. Down South they don’t seem to have any policies on building houses on the coast. Plenty of new houses on the coastal strip between Waldronville and Brighton just south of Dunedin and more being built.
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November 5, 2022 8:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

Clearly some folks have been making a very good living under this Labour Government.

“Instead, not only has the number of bureaucrats blown out by 14,000, but spending on consultants has exploded to $1.2 billion in 2021/22 – a 30 per cent increase on the 2020/21 spend.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00033/labours-biggest-fails-more-money-for-consultants.htm

I do hope Our next Government has a close look as to whether this consultancy money has delivered any benefits to anyone other than the consultants.
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November 5, 2022 8:45am
- Its only I
  
  Also who those consultants were and how they were selected.
  Considering how much covid money has been directed into Labours unmandated projects the whole fund should be included. It would be a good way to dawn raid the Labour house via the back door rather than spooking the crooks by knocking on the front.
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:02am
  - backster
    
    Nanaia dug up a few experts for multiple consultation.
    
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    November 5, 2022 1:58pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Part of my work involves consultancy. I describe it as borrowing your watch to tell you the time sending you a huge bill and pocketing your watch.
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:43am
ecco

Did anyone see a photo op from Ardern’s Antartica trip? What happened there? She actually read the room for once. Or did I miss it?
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November 5, 2022 8:47am
- Ghost
  
  You missed it
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:51am
- Its only I
  
  Expect to see framed pics of the Ice Queen for sale on trademe as a fundraiser.
  Labour have history raising funds using pics/art…
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:08am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our uninformed Climate Change Minister ..

Stuff shared the report with Climate Change Minister James Shaw. But he didn’t review the document so “cannot comment on their claims”, he said in written responses.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130329597/farms-being-snapped-up-for-forest-at-alarming-rate–report
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November 5, 2022 8:53am
- Tom Hunter
  
  On the same topic: others may have already linked to this but here it is anyway, Climate injustice: a personal account from a Kiwi farmer
  
  It’s from the Australian Spectator, because he couldn’t get it printed in our MSM of course:
  
  Right now, I feel like a contentious objector must have during the first world war. I am being reviled as an environmental vandal. The news feels like propaganda. A 2021 UN report calls for a 45 per cent cut in world methane. The report lays out targets for each sector and makes it clear most cuts should come from plugging pipeline leaks. Yet the commentary is summed up as … ‘New Zealand falls short of 45 per cent target.’
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:57am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Everything is wrong about deliberately subsidising tree planting to suck up CO2.
  1. It does not deal with the underlying CO2 emissions.
  2. Trees burn, get windblown, give off CO2, harbour pests, destroy soils.
  3. Wreck local communities.
  4. Are unlikely to ever be harvested – the money is in the subsidy not the sale and most will be uneconomic given distance from a port
  5. Rely on capricious political decisions for subsidies to keep going. A change of govt could leave huge areas waste.
  6. Go against the Paris Agreement
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:07am
  - Its only I
    
    Who cares they are paying me to plant hills I would plant anyway.
    I can harvest the thingings as posts then thin down the coverage to the min 30% when mature.
    Burning firewood is biomass so points for me.
    
    Points for what?
    You have to look through a mentalist lens
    
    Tourism for E’mentalists
    I plant trees so I’m saving the planet
    I’m creating my own fuel to heat water
    I get credit for using that “biomass” fuel
    Birds seem to like trees
    Tourists will pay to plant a tree to cover their environmental impact. (so nicer trees closer to the accommodation)
    I create more fuel than use…apparently.
    
    Nothing better than harvesting an E’mentalist driven by the guilt of simply existing.
    
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    November 5, 2022 9:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Thousands of sheep and beef farms will be converted to pine forests. The Argentinans will laugh like hyenas as they grab New Zealand’s market share.
    
    I don’t blame the farmers for selling up. I imagine they are at their wits end.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:22am
    - Its only I
      
      I agree with you but there are some other challenges for farming families, namely succession.
      The kids are getting educated off the farm, starting families, buying houses and deep into a career. The parents put the call out for who wants to come back the farm. It will be valued then wowza the interatence is 3 or 4 mill each. Sheep daggs or take the cash?
      
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      November 5, 2022 12:57pm
      - Its only I
        
        interatence? The T is no where near the H and the A is even further away from the I, but there they are.
        
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        November 5, 2022 2:32pm
- Warren
  
  That why Winston Peter’s can’t be trusted over going into Partnership with our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her bunch of misfits again as this was one of his Parties Policy that Labour have continued with.
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:11am
cas

So let me see if I can get this right.

Tuku Morgan has just been appointed as Chair of the iwi group for 3 waters for Auckland and the Far North. He is also from Tainui which says the Waikato river is basically theirs.

Under the Te mana wai statements, Tainui could say that as the Waikato river is scared, Auckland either can’t have any water from it or can have water at a price. Then as the Chair of the Northern entity ( which seems to be deliberate to thwart Wayne Brown), he could say well yes Auckland needs the water but it can only have it if it cedes us proprietary rights and loads of cash.

Or have I got it wrong?
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November 5, 2022 8:57am
- Nickc2
  
  NO!!! Akld will be held to ransom, 3Waters or no 3Waters unless we build a greater Catchment or reduce our population’s demands.
  Morgan is a Mahuta tool IMO.
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:33am
  - Tricati
    
    Other way round I think – Mahuta is being used by Morgan to achieve his objectives. Unfortunately those objectives align with Mahuta’s.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:39am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Morgan carries a lot of clout – very powerful.
      
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      November 5, 2022 12:01pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Touche.
      
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      November 5, 2022 12:12pm
- virtualmark
  
  I bet Ngapuhi will wholeheartedly and enthusiastically support a process that’s led by a Tainui …
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:49am
- JerJer
  
  His position is similar to hot n spicy KFC….it’s only here for a limited time.
  
  The legislation is not passed, and if it ever is in this form will be quickly repealed in 12 months time.
  
  He can say what he wants but he will have no power and this position will soon be removed.
  
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  November 5, 2022 9:56am
- Yvette
  
  Cas
  I am a little mystified as to how anything of “3 Waters” can be appointed or is legal until the legislation is passed through Parliament – or have I missed something?
  And have I got it wrong?
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:11am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They can do lots of things without passing legislation. They are likely establishing a “business unit” in DIA. They did the same thing before the legislation was passed to set up the Climate Change Commission. They established the “Interim Climate Change Commission” and gave it some office space in the Ministry for the Environment.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:26am
- OlderChas
  
  Morgan was humiliated by “The Establishment” when his propensity for buying $85 underpants with tax payers’ money was publicised. He will in any way possible extract ‘utu’ from ‘whitey’ (ergo the establishment) for that
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Crooks of a feather flock together (Morgan % Labour) eh?
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He was NZF
      
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      November 5, 2022 8:32pm
      - Ghost
        
        Depends, while he started in NZF, he finished in Mauri Pacific
        
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        November 5, 2022 8:42pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Same thing.
        
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        November 5, 2022 9:46pm
  - nathie
    
    Funnily enough it was the (Nasty™) Labour Party that hounded Morgan for weeks on that by feeding the MSM.
    
    Interesting how Labour uses “race” when it suits them, in this case it was also to attack National because they setup NZ’s first Maori television channel trial called Aotearoa TV and Labour succeeded in killing it off.
    
    Yet most Maori still vote Labour …
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:32am
  - Lance
    
    I remember he went ape shit when someone named a monkey after him (pun intended)
    
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    November 5, 2022 4:10pm
- LauraNorda
  
  Cas, I can not understand how Tainui can claim the water in the Waikato either or can charge Auckland for it., The Waikato Rises rises out of Lake Taupo and all the water that flows out of there, comes from Tuwharetoa claimed regions, with little input from Tainui.
  
  So where & when does the water from Tuwharetoa region (Lake Taupo & the Waikato River source) become Tainui water and is there any payment to Tuwharetoa from Tainui for this water or are Tainui just claiming all the water that comes off Ruapehu, Tongariro and the Kaimanawas?
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:28am
I remember when

The Pegagsus Beach fire highlights the problems that occur when pine plantations are involved in forestry fires.
The available resources and safety precautions are something that needs to be carefully considered.
If we allow large areas of ‘permanent’ pine forestry what are the dangers after a ‘carbon sink’ reaches the end of its productive life.
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November 5, 2022 9:04am
- greybeard
  
  “what are the dangers after a ‘carbon sink’ reaches the end of its productive life.”
  How about: “What are the dangers when these crappy pine forests burn and flood the atmosphere with all the stuff the Greens want to eliminate”?
  
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  November 5, 2022 7:42pm
emmess

Have fireworks been effectively banned by stealth?
I can’t find anywhere selling them in my area
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November 5, 2022 9:10am
- Hebe123
  
  I believe some of the virtue signalling outlets such as the whorehouse have decided not to stick the,.
  
  But there are stalls on Ferry Road if you are in chch.
  
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  November 5, 2022 2:07pm
I remember when

Since methane only lasts in the atmosphere for around 10 years, reducing methane emissions could contribute to slowing global warming sooner.
Incidentally, why do we never hear/see anything in the media about deducting the 2012 amount from the 2022 total.
So basically, the only (or at least the greater part of) methane in the atmosphere is from the 2013-2022 period.
Our farmers will be paying for methane that could be less than they produced 10 years ago.
At the very least, the amount from 10 years ago should be subtracted from their annual producton.
If we include their circular CO2 and trees planted since 1989, they may well be owed money.
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November 5, 2022 9:20am
I remember when

International Mining and Resources Conference in Sydney: Hon Madeleine King, MP.
“Last financial year the sector exported $422 billion worth of resources to the world, nearly 70% of Australia’s total goods and services exports.
Net Zero cannot be achieved without the resources sector.”

Statement from the Conference suggested the World would need 6X as many mines , as there are at present, if we want to reach the Net Zero Carbon goal.
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November 5, 2022 9:28am
Tony Stuart

Whilst Labour MP’s are preaching to the converted at their conference, National is continuing with candidate selections for 2023.

I had hoped to attend the Rangitikei selection this afternoon, but have other commitments. It will be an excellent battle, and whoever comes through, the electorate will be well served.

Tomorrow the Hamilton West by-election candidate will be chosen, and again, delegates are spoiled for choice with three outstanding candidates. With former Hamilton East MP David Bennett retiring at the election, there may be a second chance for the unsuccessful candidates.

The quality of those putting their names forward for selection by National is outstanding. They are going to have a very strong team next year.
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November 5, 2022 9:31am
- oldfella
  
  Tony, did you see the TV3 story last night on the Labour conference?
  I wonder who had the bright idea to put Jenna Lynch in a red jacket for her stand up?
  I’m sure she’ll have a blue jacket for the next Nats conference.
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:18am
surfing

This surprised me..from the bay of plenty times today…

“The number of patients waiting for surgery at Tauranga Hospital has soared from 12 to almost 2000 in five years.”

That is absolutely crazy. Labours fault entirely.
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November 5, 2022 9:36am
- Ian Boag
  
  Labours fault entirely.
  
  So if you were God, how would you have prevented this from happening? Asking for a friend.
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:11pm
Surely Knott

In feb 2021 Grant Robertson pulled out of Peter Williams interview after being asked about the great reset. Robertson said, “The World Economic Forum may have used that phrase at some point but there is absolutely no foundation to the conspiracy theory that there is something called the ‘great reset’ that countries around the world are indulging in.”

But the Herald has now released a new series using the WeF slogan called, The New New Zealand Rebuilding Better. 🤔🧐

Build Back Better!
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November 5, 2022 9:47am
- Warren
  
  You have actually wonder what sort of story the Present Government and there Media stooges will have when many of these people that are struggling now start losing their houses because they can’t afford to pay their morgage commitments or put the food they are accustomed to on the table for their family.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2022/11/poll-shows-cost-of-living-crisis-biggest-issue-facing-new-zealanders-ahead-of-next-year-s-election.html
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:43am
  - Hollyfield
    
    But our Finance Minister told Heather du Plessis Allan only a couple of weeks ago that the govt been signalling for months that interest rates will be going up so people have had months to prepare. He is confident that with this time that people have had to prepare everyone is going to be ok and there’s nothing to be concerned about.
    
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    November 5, 2022 12:13pm
    - nathie
      
      Heard Robertson being asked last week about the cost of living and interest rate hikes making things difficult for low and middle income NZ’ers … his response?
      
      Robbo “understands” (NZ’ers are finding things are tough)!
      
      Straight out of the Jacinda playbook, it’s almost if he coaches her!
      
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      November 5, 2022 1:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and of course…
  To build back better, we must reinvent Capitalism
  
  https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/to-build-back-better-we-must-reinvent-capitalism-heres-how/
  
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  November 5, 2022 10:46am
- nathie
  
  Typical bully-boy Grant Robertson. Peter Williams was simply asking a question, which the media are entitled to do.
  
  MagicTalk were ahead of their times … they led and now the rest of the MSM is finally catching up and figured out it is actually ok to hold the Ardern Govt to account.
  
  Pity Mediaworks’ gutless CEO Cam Wallace didn’t do his job and defend his journalists. And fund MagicTalk properly so that other incidents didn’t arise. Instead Wallace decided to fund “Boring FM” which isn’t worth tuning in to.
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    IIRC Williams and Sean Plunkett were sacked shortly after the interview you refer to.
    
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    November 5, 2022 11:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Democrats do not want this to be seen:
Unhinged mob.
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1586801892809932802?
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November 5, 2022 10:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

California Governor Gavin Newsom Issues Warning to Democrats Heading Into Midterms.

https://dailypatriotreport.com/gavin-newsom-issues-warning-to-democrats-heading-into-midterms/
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November 5, 2022 10:12am
Maggie Pie

WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT?

Is Nancy Pelosi in handcuffs…….

https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1588436811063476224
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November 5, 2022 10:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear…

How do you say Chinese in Māori?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/04-11-2022/new-word-for-chinese-in-te-reo-maori-dropped-after-calls-of-racism
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November 5, 2022 10:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I can’t see many Chinese folk losing sleep over what they are called in the Maori language. 😂
  
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  November 5, 2022 11:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Chur, bro.
    
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    November 5, 2022 12:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chris Trotter reckons Our Dear PM is spinning us a yarn…

What the average household almost certainly doesn’t realise is that the Prime Minister is spinning them a yarn.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-three-waters-three-mayors-three-cheers

But she’s not spinning a yarn; she’s disseminating disinformation, and telling a bunch of porkies.
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November 5, 2022 11:07am
- Bridgenag
  
  a boil up then……
  
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  November 5, 2022 1:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s a damn good idea..

Train teachers in schools alongside practising teachers.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/04/group-of-auckland-schools-trying-to-tackle-teacher-shortage/

Get rid of the middle-level training parasites at ~~Teachers’ colleges~~ University.
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November 5, 2022 11:12am
- pussycat
  
  And train nurses in hospitals as well.
  
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  November 5, 2022 12:59pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  One of the Principals said he had a fluent Te Reo Speaker who doesnt have a degree and he wants to get her through the system.
  
  Bet there are a lot of people in other fields in the same boat who could be used.
  
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  November 5, 2022 1:48pm
oldfella

Chris Trotter talks sense on 3 Waters…
Three Waters. Three Mayors. Three Cheers!
THE THREE MAYOR’S proposed revision of Three Waters is timely, sensible, and ought to be accepted by the Labour Government. If Jacinda Ardern and her colleagues press on regardless, then the electorate will know just how little Three Waters has to do with securing an affordable upgrade of New Zealand’s water infrastructure, and how much the controversial scheme is now about mandating the co-governance of water.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-three-waters-three-mayors-three-cheers
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November 5, 2022 11:50am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Pelosi invasion. What really happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXv-O3ukuaE
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November 5, 2022 12:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/are-you-ready-for-november-14-sounds-like-donald-trump-is/?
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November 5, 2022 1:01pm
Nickc2

The great saviour of the Free World – YEA RIGHT!
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/11/magnificent-biden-campaign-ad-from-the-babylon-bee.html
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November 5, 2022 1:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Cheney is a good fundraiser.
https://rumble.com/v1qyi3c-my-biggest-fundraiser-kari-lake-sees-record-donations-after-liz-cheney-deno.html?
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November 5, 2022 1:11pm
Warren

“Live: Finance Minister Grant Robertson speaks at Labour Party conference | Newshub” https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/live-finance-minister-grant-robertson-speaks-at-labour-party-conference.html
Grant Robertson in love with himself and how great he and Jacinda are and how he slagged off the National Party.
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November 5, 2022 1:17pm
Ghost

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130377198/more-people-disappointed-and-angry-with-jacinda-ardern-poll-shows

A new poll shows more people are “disappointed” and “angry” with Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern than in 2020, though the Labour leader makes more people feel “comfortable” and less “nervous” than National Party leader Christopher Luxon.
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November 5, 2022 1:40pm
Ghost

Well Jacinda, as a kiwi I care about you not getting elected next year, campaign on that

Jacinda Ardern confident Labour will win next election campaigning on what Kiwis ‘care about’

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2022/11/jacinda-ardent-confident-labour-will-win-next-election-campaigning-on-what-kiwis-care-about.html
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November 5, 2022 2:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“I am not going anywhere
Jacinda Ardern, 5 Nov 2022

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2022/11/jacinda-ardent-confident-labour-will-win-next-election-campaigning-on-what-kiwis-care-about.html

Wow! does that mean our Dear PM is akshully going to stay in the country and turn up to work?
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November 5, 2022 2:53pm
Biscuit

Memo Starship Directors and your we-cannot-be-associated-with-shudder-GAMBLING:

Race 3 at Flemington today is the Australian Childhood Foundation Trophy…

I have no idea whether the folk who run the Australian Childhood Foundation put up any of the stakemoney or not – but good to see them engaging with the wider community, no?

Unlike you heads-up-your-own-arses lowlives…
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November 5, 2022 3:57pm
- Ghost
  
  A second person has come forward after the Starship Foundation allegedly rejected his offer of a $10,000 donation several months ago.
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/11/03/second-man-comes-forward-after-donation-rejected-from-starship/
  
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  November 5, 2022 4:11pm
  - Hollyfield
    
    25 years ago Starship used to have a fundraising mascot of a bear – don’t know if they still do. I belonged to a dog club where the breed of dog was often “mistaken” for bears, so we offered our dogs to be living mascots during their appeal; to wear “saddlebags” and collect donations. Starship said no.
    
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    November 5, 2022 6:32pm
Ghost

You would hope a political conference would be about inspiring, sharing ideas, etc etc, seems it was just a big whinge about the opposition.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/labour-s-outgoing-president-claire-szab-says-it-s-all-at-stake-for-2023-election.html
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November 5, 2022 4:31pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  People are not dumping Labour cause they hate National, they are dumping Labour because they are shit
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:41pm
Maggie Pie

Let nature take its course…..

https://twitter.com/ShitpostGate/status/1588621997709611008
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November 5, 2022 4:53pm
Warren

If Chris Luxon had made a speech like what Grant Robertson did this morning every media outlet would be calling for his blood the politically corrupt Finance Minister is allowed to get away with it , when is the media going to grow some balls and call out this arrogant prick.
“Labour’s Grant Robertson defends sledging of National, Luxon as close election shapes up – NZ Herald” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labours-grant-robertson-defends-sledging-of-national-luxon-as-close-election-shapes-up/I6FD3UPG7JE57LENMCLYVMRGDM/
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November 5, 2022 4:54pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Getting a few jabs in before the hate speech laws kick in.
  
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  November 5, 2022 6:10pm
- Gravelroad
  
  It would seem that Mr Robertson and his Labour Party have lost confidence in themselves.
  That is usually the situation when politicians slag off their opponents rather and bragging and boasting about their own achievements and plans.
  Labour is a party of the not very intelligent as evidenced by Mr Robertson, Ms Ardern & Co.
  
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  November 5, 2022 6:17pm
- Hollyfield
  
  It seems the only thing they have is criticising the opposition. I think they’ve forgotten the government’s role is to govern, and the opposition’s role is to oppose the government. Since Labour’s position seems only to be to oppose, maybe opposition is their natural home.
  
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  November 5, 2022 6:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Nothing close about the polls, they have gone with the leftie poll from this week that is as credible as Robertson himself
  
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  November 5, 2022 8:43pm
Chris Nisbet

Was Grant Robertson trying to convince people at the Labour party conference not to vote for National?
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November 5, 2022 6:09pm
- nathie
  
  Shouldn’t Labour be talking about fixing the things that are broken?
  
  Things that Kiwi’s care about?
  
  Like health, education, the cost of living, inflation, mortgage rates, worker shortages, youth crime and ram-raids and so on?
  
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  November 5, 2022 7:58pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, he tried to give a list of 100 things they have done ffs, how pathetic this blowhard is
    
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