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Warren

It looks like the Labour Government are prepared to go all out in there quest to have Motels in Rotorua available to the homeless, it’s called emergency housing and what many say turning Rotorua into a city of slums.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-contracted-emergency-housing-motel-owner-unaware-homeless-were-living-at-her-property-resource-consent-hearing-told/SYOI2GFB77426KXFN2FOEFOPSQ/
Surely whoever is the Labour Candidate in this district will not get the opportunity to be in Government at the next election after what they have done to one of New Zealand’s best Tourist destinations.
This Government has got to be out to lunch with there desire to make Rotorua a destination for the homeless.
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November 1, 2022 8:01am
- Paulus
  
  Sadly we and many others do not stop in Rotorua now, as we did regularly, on our way from say Tauranga to Taupo and v.v.
  Too late to change the ideals of the Government where Rotorua, previously led by a Chadwick, an ex Labour MP stooge.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:30am
  - Colville
    
    Come on, Rotovegas was always a shitehole as any such tourist town is.
    But no town deserves a couple of thousand deadbeat criminals living in motels on the main street.
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:58am
    - Nickc2
      
      The then Rotorua Mayor and Council did nothing to change or even stop the situation.
      I feel sorry for the new Mayor who has to undo all this stuff.
      
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      November 1, 2022 9:36am
      - Colville
        
        Good training for when she wants to be PM.
        
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        November 1, 2022 1:07pm
- artemisia
  
  When the bank robber was asked why s/he robbed banks, the answer was – because that’s where the money is.
  
  Rotorua is where the motels are.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Rotorua has been off my list of places to visit for a few years now. Labour have effectively destroyed it as a tourism destination. Even if they get around to sorting out the homeless in hotels issue, the reputational damage will take many years to fix. Another Ardern policy disaster. She is a one person wrecking machine.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:45am
- Southern Raider
  
  Telling part for me was that Min Social Dev reclassified a whole lot of homeless people to make it appear they were locals
  
  They set a definition of local as being in Rotorua for more than 30 days
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Rotorua was not that great. As a kid I spent a lot of time there at Aunty and Uncle’s place. Never went fishing even though Uncle had a boat. The whole place never impressed me.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:11am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I say its time we had limits on the number of terms an MP can serve. In the corporate world many listed company Directors serve 9 to 12 years max. This allows for renewal and refreshment. Old Japanese proverb ‘fresh eyes see new picture”.
  Serving as an MP shouldnt be a job for life. It should be giving a period of ones life to the service of the country not the best paying job you will every have.
  We have a bunch of drones at present seat warmers no business or other experience and it shows in their basic incompetence.
  We need the best widest range of experience. Not a bunch of party hacks.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:26am
  - Southern Raider
    
    That is definitely Labours issue. When 30 MPs drop off the list next election they just lost the highest earning job they will ever have.
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:59am
    - alloytoo
      
      and moving to Rotorua?
      
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      November 1, 2022 11:59am
- Its only I
  
  Clustering them in motels makes the bail checks quicker.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:40am
- Southern Raider
  
  It’s definitely not a Queenstown from a tourist perspective but
  – if you have a young family it actually has a lot to do and kids love it
  – if you are an international tourist most people have never been close to geothermal activity and so it does drive a lot of our tourism income
  
  My big concern is that if you read the feedback on the resource consents apart from the Govt departments everyone who is presenting is 150% against the homeless motels. Hell even some of the emergency housing tenants are against them. But that despite all of the negative feedback, local sentiment, damage to NZ image etc the commissioners will side with the Govt departments. What a transparent democracy we have under Labour
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:57am
  - Paulus
    
    It would be interesting to see who own these Motels in Rotorua.
    It is said for example that one family own as many as 14 Motels with long term (10 year) contracts.
    
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    November 1, 2022 10:30am
    - peterwn
      
      Most motels would be owned by individual investors (possibly retired farmers or business owners) or family trusts. Someone owning 14 motels would be unusual. And as noted most motels are leased to operators. Interestingly it is the owners who are objecting to the resource consent application because they would wish Rotorua to return to being a tourist town as soon as possible. Current use is probably a breach of the leases but it is probably not in the interests of the owners to attempt the termination of the leases at this stage. Those who lease and operate the motels are obviously happy to have the short term income and are prepared to renovate the units as needed in due course.
      
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      November 1, 2022 11:44am
  - I remember when
    
    Even the things that made Rotorua a tourist destination have been ruined in the name of access.
    Whakarewarewa is now basically a sealed road past four of the main attractions.
    The Buried village has last the timelessness feeling it once had.
    Some of the best volcanic activity happens in the middle of the road or on sections next to houses.
    
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    November 1, 2022 1:55pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Airbnb sounds like a good idea until your residential stock shrinks and then your undesirable population moves from the poorest suburbs, to motels in the middle of the city.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:29am
  - I remember when
    
    I see they are saying that the Marine Heat Wave is going to cause fish to move south.
    Might be an opportunity to set up a fish Airbnb.
    
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    November 1, 2022 1:57pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Rotorua has their very own skid row. Expect to see tents soon lining the streets as Cindy prefers these to people living in cars too.
  Haven’t been to Rotorua in years and won’t even remotely go there till the town is free of the ghetto it’s become.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:06am
- backster
  
  Maybe this is how the WINZ office in Rotorua works
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoL89rwjui0
  
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  November 1, 2022 1:43pm
krazykiwi

From a Greenpeace Report

Mechanical and chemical recycling of plastic waste has largely failed and will always fail because plastic waste is: (1) extremely difficult to collect, (2) virtually impossible to sort for recycling, (3) environmentally harmful to reprocess, (4) often made of and contaminated by toxic materials, and (5) not economical to recycle.”

Talk about raising the white flag.

Are there still councils (Christchurch?) that fine residents for putting plastic in general waste?
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November 1, 2022 8:04am
- tavita
  
  Or as i was told by a green party supporter, they don’t want products that use recycled plastic because that just encourages more to be produced. It would detract from the message that plastics are bad.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:10am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Hey The supermarket ones we used again and again now not available so guess what….. now have to buy them……..The new fancy woke ones are useless…..sigh
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:43am
  - Ehlana
    
    Isn’t the point of recycling that you use existing rather than new material?
    
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    November 1, 2022 2:49pm
- Matt Long
  
  We could be using it to produce sustainable electricity to power all those EVs. A clean burning garbage fueled power station, what could be more environmentally excellent than repurposing pollution as energy?
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:11am
  - Inandout
    
    Matt, i believe Paris has had one of these for years.
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:45am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What would be wrong with railing the country’s rubbish to Huntly and burning it for electricity?
    Too hard for lefty brains to grasp?
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:52am
    - Ehlana
      
      It was proposed once, IIRC. Not sure why it didn’t happen – either finance or technology, at a guess.
      
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      November 1, 2022 2:50pm
- kevn
  
  @kk… The answer is already available for disposal of plastic waste. Sweden have a waste powered power station. It is so efficient, they need to import rubbish from neighbouring countries to keep it going.
  Imagine that in NZ.
  I did send the data to (not a real greenie) Eugenie Sage but never even got a reply.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:11am
  - Dougal10
    
    They are trying to build one just north of the waitaki river which could easily hook into the national grid but councils are stalling them . Guess the greenie staff hope they will go broke waiting for consents.
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:19am
  - zulumonster
    
    kevn – the Greens oppose the waste powered energy solutions because they encourage more waste – as evidenced by Sweden needing to import waste to drive their plants.
    I understand that logic but the alternative is a cold, dark and expensive reality in dealing with waste. As with most things they are dreaming that they can remove the majority of waste from our lives with no impact on us.
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:20am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That logic makes zero sense; it is illogical. Are people seriously suggesting that, just because waste is going to a power station rather than a landfill or recycling centre, consumers will deliberately produce more of it?
      
      Like 99.9% of people, I give not a moment’s thought to what happens to rubbish after it’s been disposed of properly, and even if someone said that rubbish was being turned into teddy bears for cancer kids, that wouldn’t change my consumer behaviour one bit.
      
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      November 1, 2022 10:28am
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        I sincerely believe that you are wrong. 99.9% of people not caring about what happens to their rubbish is not correct. Most people I know do care about about what happens to their rubbish and sort their rubbish so it can be recycled.
        
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        November 1, 2022 7:06pm
    - kevn
      
      @zulu… But all they are doing is moving it from a problem area to a solution. Not creating more of it.
      
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      November 1, 2022 10:55am
  - Tarquin North
    
    They tried to get a German made closed cycle system running at Marsden Point. It was so efficient it could burn flock mud and create electricity without any waste. The powers that be put so many hurdle in their way it never got off the ground.
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:25am
    - kevn
      
      @Tarquin… Most interesting. When was that please?
      
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      November 1, 2022 10:56am
      - rockape
        
        This one in 2019 was abandoned. o West Coast mayors are still vying for a waste-to-energy plant in their district.
        
        Renew Energy Ltd withdrew its plans to build a waste-to-energy plant in Westport after it was revealed Buller Mayor Garry Howard signed an agreement with a Chinese investor that appeared to give the Westport plant the go-ahead without telling the public or district councillors. The company had also faced opposition from Buller residents when it sought to stockpile rubbish in Reefton.
        
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        November 1, 2022 12:52pm
  - Nickc2
    
    This whole fiasco has nothing to do with saving the planet. It’s all about shutting down Petro Chemical Industries. They’re making too much money as far as the Green Movement is concerned.
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:30am
    - All_on_Red
      
      This is true. Its about stopping capitalism.
      There is an argument that Biden wants to get oil from offshore because if he got it onshore then all the GOP aligned Oil companies would have more profits and then more money to donate to the GOP.
      Hence closing down the US Oil industry.
      He would rather Russia, Venezeula and the Sauds got the cash instead of his political foes.
      Great eh.
      
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      November 1, 2022 9:20am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Biden is a typical Commie.
        10% for the big guy when it comes to paying for imported oil?
        
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        November 1, 2022 10:08am
      - Alex
        
        All on red not directly on subject I know, but as for Russia getting oil:money suits Biden, Antonia in Auckland is rounding up money to send to Russian soldiers for equipment, They need it as using guns from the fifties. These guns are as old as Putin he was born on 7 October 1952. He is 70 years old.
        
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        November 1, 2022 11:56am
    - Alex
      
      Nickc2,
      It’s the same here, the farmers probably give too much money to the National government so got to shut them down on Green pretext. Doesn’t matter if we pay more for meat or farmers lives ruined. Did Stalin care when collectivisation of farms caused starvation.
      
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      November 1, 2022 12:04pm
  - 7kiwi11
    
    Amager Bakke waste incinerator in Copenhagen, Denmark has an artificial ski slope on its roof. If we had that in Auckland it would eliminate the problem of Ruapehu no longer being a viable skiing destination
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:37am
- Frank the tank
  
  You forgot to add that most plastic is made with petroleum/natural gas as well. The businesses of the WEF barons depend on these natural resources.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:15am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Thought that there is a NZ co panel that recycles plastic into fence posts and that plastic waste has been used to help resurface roads.
  
  Tried to copy URL but too long.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:17am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes at Waiuku but expensive. In Oz they made paths at the golf club and plant protection out of old tyres. Maybe some more work required.
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:46am
    - Simon Arnold
      
      There is a good business in both see Matta Products https://sustainable.org.nz/circular-economy-directory/solutions/matta-products-ltd/
      
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      November 1, 2022 9:10am
- Fishing in the dark
  
  Recycling is worldwide the biggest scam including the Greens.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:25am
- amospicton
  
  It’s interesting kk – there’s a NZ company that is very close to a solution to all of the above issues (https://www.nilo.world/our-solution). Funded locally initially but subsequently mostly offshore due to difficulty raising money in NZ. We’re good at talking the talk about these issues but poor at doing anything about it.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fucking Greenpeace (see the pronoun?)
  Straight out attack on plastic. Do they own a car? Look around the car – plastic everything. Look around their kitchen – plastic everything.
  Ah! I get it, plastic comes from oil
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:18am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That stupid TV ad for EVs that shows someone waving to an old codger at a gas station, dressed in filthy oily overalls, as she goes past to the strains of “Let’s just kiss and say goodbye” to oil, always makes me shout at the TV.
    
    A decent chunk of the car she’s driving relies on plastics and oil, including the dash, most of the controls and quite likely the steering wheel. Say goodbye to all that and see how far you get.
    
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    November 1, 2022 10:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Or throw out everything made of plastic in your house and what do you have left to live with?
      
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      November 1, 2022 1:03pm
      - Ehlana
        
        And the metal stuff too Steve – how much of that was made from ore dug from the ground and smelted with oil-driven machinery?
        
        Before you do, you might want to find out how pre-colonial Maori disposed of their dead. I think we’ll need to know that.
        
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        November 1, 2022 2:58pm
- Southern Raider
  
  This is the pragmatic and visionary policies National needs to make. Promise to build multiple power generation plants fuelled by waste. And package it up so it kills the Greens and woke from every again
  – have a waste problem: fixed
  – have a provincial generation issue to power all those electric cars: fixed
  – have an emissions issue from dumps: fixed
  – invest in local tech companies who could then export: fixed
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If any recycling becomes viable and profitable, Labour and the Greens will just do anything to shut it down.
  Capitalism = Bad.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:14am
Yvette

The mayors say there needs to be a stop to the “ugly and angry Three Waters debate”, which they say is dividing the country.
Their own plans call for keeping parts of the government plan.
It includes keeping the new water regulator, Taumata Arowai, but maintaining local “ownership, control and accountability” of infrastructure …
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/31/auckland-christchurch-mayors-join-forces-with-three-waters-battle-plan/

So three mayors want a “stop to the “ugly and angry Three Waters debate”, but will still support and endorse the new water regulator, Taumata Arowai.

However what causes the “ugly and angry Three Waters debate” is –

… Te Mana o te Wai statements, enabled by clauses buried in the bowels of the Water Services Entities Bill, do allow a possible role for taniwha in formulating water management policy.
The statements are effectively edicts that the nation’s more than 1200 iwi and hapū can issue at will. The Water Services Entity in their region, which controls the day-to-day management of water assets, must obey them.
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/10/graham-adams-taniwha-rears-its-head-in.html

– while the new water regulator, has a Maori Advisory Council (chaired by Pipa Mahuta) which rules Taumata Arowai, and can also issue over-riding Te Mana o te Wai statements.

Pipa Mahuta and her Maori Advisory Council are the booby that should be thrown out with the barf water.
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In old, stale, European terms, the Maori Advisory Council, which rules Taumata Arowai, is a Trojan Horse, which neither Auckland’s Wayne Brown or Christchurch’s Phil Mauger seem yet to have noticed – sitting there in full view, waiting to download a Te Mana o te Wai statement or three.

And sorry, Rickie, you appear to have no equivalent metaphoric saying, unless it is “If you want to uproot a kauri tree, do it while it is a young sapling” – I like the Trojan Horse better, and kids get it easier.
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November 1, 2022 8:04am
- Raphael
  
  It looks like they’re going for a DHB style grouping of things, with the ownership of District Water Board being retained but the councils it covers.
  BUT as they would leave Iwi participation up to each DWB, you know that there will be a massive push to keep them from appearing “racist”so will end up doing the co-governance thing.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:33am
- Tricati
  
  I get the sense what the mayors are proposing is to get better public insight/knowledge of the co-governance aspects as these have been cunningly suppressed to date.
  Its only articles such as those by Yvette, and links to expert analysis of the actual intent of the legislation (Elite Maori control), but unfortunately these reviews getting very little MSM coverage. The mayors are looking to change that coverage and good on them.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:36am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I reckon they are just looking to throw sand in the gears. Take time to work out this – yet to be defined – grouping of councils all with different aims and expectations. Mana whenua involvement to be worked out in each case. All a bit complicated. Much hui not much doey.
    
    The one constant thing of course is that all these yet-to-be-defined groups will want money up front to get started on their water fixups ….
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:35am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/130334088/inland-revenue-deletes-halloweenthemed-tweet-after-it-backfires
It must be super to work in a government department where the sense of security and entitlement allows this sort of unprofessional nonsense to be distributed to the public via social media.
Yeah, yeah- it was supposedly a Halloween joke – and at least it was creepy.
Just another example of the role and power of this government’s army of influencers.
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November 1, 2022 8:06am
- Matt Long
  
  Better to teach them how the whole deal works by having one child eat junk food while watching TV on the couch while the other does chores, then take the lollies from the one doing the chores and give to the kid on the couch.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:15am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Matt Long-
    So is that the role of IRD?
    If yes, perhaps someone there could write a paper on bringing up children to understand how state control is funded by taxation.
    Kids need to know this stuff early I guess…..
    
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    November 1, 2022 8:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  It was authorized by J. Ardern. New Plymouth.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:16am
- cmm
  
  IRD has essentially been redeployed as a Labour policy mouthpiece.
  
  First they kicked off the business support arm to assist businesses during CV19.
  That ramped into a business advice arm around CV19 (wtf would any of them know about business except how to tax it?).
  As CV19 has ramped down, that has now morphed into a body advising businesses on climate change, employee relations etc.
  
  As is typical, a crisis has been turned into an opportunity to create more government. “Temporary” functions become permanent.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:43am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Issue we have is there is so many Govt workers they are not having to create artificial positions like extra layers of management, more PR people etc. Then because they hired those artificial positions they need to hire more. It’s like a supernova black hole sucking up all the labour force into unproductive outputs
    
    Biggest issue in NZ from inflation perspective is labour force costs due to capacity issues. Cull 20% of the public sector by Christmas and you save 20% or more or the taxpayers costs and you insert those people back into the private sector to drive down wage growth. Apart from suspect quality of the workforce it’s a win win for NZ
    
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    November 1, 2022 10:07am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    They are crap at their job now cmm, and yet they are taking on more stuff? That they know even less about? The IRD is full of idiots who can’t even interpret their own tax Act, and now we’ll have 25 year old’s giving everyone their opinion on climate change as if it were fact.
    
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    November 1, 2022 12:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What is wrong with teaching kids that the Govt is going to take away from them in the form of Tax? Are the children going to be “offended”?
  Best wrap them in cotton wool and give them a safe place.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:24am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Someone within IRD marketing is just as miserable as the public servants running the place.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:08am
Taieri

The Cretins strike again:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/130283075/time-to-put-old-steam-trains-back-in-the-museum-say-clean-air-activists
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November 1, 2022 8:09am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  No surprise, water vapour from a volcano has opened teh ozone hole over the antartic – whos feeling foolish now about the CFC hysteria of the 80s & 90s ? Typical excrement from stuff
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:23am
- Southern Raider
  
  So they block major motorways claiming they want more rail, but then they protest they want to cancel certain rail options
  
  I’m lost
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Burning coal in steam trains is bad, but burning coal in a powerstation is good?
  The woman wearing a 3M mask to sleep is just plain mad, drama queen.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:36am
  - Taieri
    
    Burning coal in steam trains is bad
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    How many steam trains are running at any given time?
    
    Not sure how often the Marlborough Flyer is running, but the Kingston Flyer just started running again after many years hiatus and is running exactly once per week for a total o 1 hour and 30 minutes. In the middle of nowhere at that. Its contribution to the climate change is a square root of FA or possibly even less. Yet it is very popular – its amazing machinery still working after a 100 years of so. But the Philistines would ban everything if they could.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:52am
artemisia

Ms Ardern tells us that if Three Waters doesn’t happen then rates will rise at least 7%. Could be up to 14% modellers have told her. This is her top priority – the impact on ratepayer pockets is the “complete and utter focus” of her government.

Excuse me, Prime Minister. Did you notice the 3000lb gorilla smiling in the corner?
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November 1, 2022 8:09am
- Tricati
  
  Its just the same scare tactics she used during covid, and if she was worried about the cost of living, then she would instruct her finance minister to stop borrowing a Billion a week and tighten his belt – Isn’t going to happen as she has an election to buy.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:24am
- Prince
  
  Yawn. Rates have risen 14% annually for 3 years in Wellington.
  7% ?
  Luxury.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:32am
  - artemisia
    
    This year I received a very polite (actual) letter from Wellington City Council telling me there really is some explanation or other why my rates have increased so much more than the average increase.
    
    Fortunately the city voters elected Tory Whanau as mayor and champion of Three Waters, so I’m expecting a rates decrease next three years.
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:03am
    - MCōs
      
      What did the last bloke tell you three years ago?
      I’m picking he didn’t say your rates would go up like a rocket.
      
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      November 1, 2022 9:13am
      - artemisia
        
        Never been told before, via a real posted letter what’s more, that not everyone’s rates go up (or down haha) at the average.
        
        I daresay every Wellington got the same letter. Except those on that average. No?
        
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        November 1, 2022 12:51pm
- Paulus
  
  Tauranga’s rates are destined for the next three years plus to be well in excess of a misery 7% as defined by Mahuta’s appointed Commissioners with no election for another three years.
  Taauranga CBD is a demolositon wreck with billions to be spent on new thus and that – where only Council staff and Maori will occupy.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:34am
- Nickc2
  
  …… as she tripped over her ever-increasing Pinocchio Nose and then stumbled away from the Podium of Truth.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well if her covid models are anything to go by then this one will be wrong by a very large margin. They were spectacularly wrong.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  In Dunedin we have up graded our sewerage, we have lagged inside our water pipes, water supply does not taste like the swimming pool, Ardern says Wakiuititi had lead in the water so Dunedins water is bad, she hasn’t got a clue, the lead came from under ground, and their water does not come from Dunedin, it’s 50ks away
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:47am
  - Taieri
    
    Indeed, the Waikouaiti water system is completely separate from that of Dunedin City.
    
    https://www.dunedin.govt.nz/services/water-supply/dunedin-water-supply-system
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda’s socialist control over Covid has passed, so now she will control us with ever increasing Taxes.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:39am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Last time I looked, here in Auckland, water and waste is charged separately to actual rates.
  
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  November 1, 2022 12:12pm
hullkiwi

Greg Foran, yet another of these inept executives paid large salaries who believe they they have a “God given” right to patronise all New Zealanders as though we are lettuces.

This morning being interviewed on the AM Show by Ryan Bridge trying to justify eye watering air fares on the basis of building back Air NZ, while ignoring the fact that per in flight kilometre, Air NZ is making higher percentage margins than pre Covid.

When are the NZ turkeys going to learn that it is a fallacy to think they can recoup loses by charging higher and higher prices. If, that is their business model, they will most certainly go broke.
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November 1, 2022 8:19am
- Colville
  
  Napier to Wellington for a meeting next week is $620 rtn. Booked 10 days in advance. AirNZ are a gouging ***** of *****.
  
  [Mod – yes they are, but David still has rules to follow on his blog]
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:05am
  - Colville
    
    hey I thought that was reasonably inventive 🙂
    
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    November 1, 2022 1:10pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s like anything else in the world we live in.
  If people are prepared to buy what he’s selling why drop the price?
  I doubt he’d put it quite that way.
  The only competition, other than driving, is Jetstar & plenty of people are wary of that airline.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:09am
  - Flossie
    
    For many routes Jetstar is not an option anyway.
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:30am
  - Taieri
    
    If people are prepared to buy what he’s selling why drop the price?
    ———-
    
    Taking your logic to its ultimate conclusion they could charge infinite amounts, in what is in many cases a monopoly situation.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:58am
    - virtualmark
      
      No, he still has a plane to fill, so he’s got to sell a certain number of seats.
      
      It’s just Ramsey pricing in action.
      
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      November 1, 2022 2:40pm
- artemisia
  
  Got a feeling lettuces might get airtime in election year. How about a row of lettuces in wigs?
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:11am
  - Ghost
    
    Not in nz, more likely be a bottle of beer, what will last longer this bottle of beer or, never mind, it’s already gone.
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:12am
kevn

@art… Threats. Classic labour.
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November 1, 2022 8:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hoo Ya Mal
Realm of Flowers
Montefilia
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November 1, 2022 8:28am
- leoj
  
  Without A Fight
  Montefilia
  Smokin’ Romans
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lunar Flarc
  Without a Fight.
  Montefilia
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Revised, Lunar Flarc got scratched
    11.
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    November 1, 2022 5:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I vow to stay away from Gee gee predictions for 1 year.
  
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  November 1, 2022 5:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

In the US the left are getting desperate. The attack on Paul Pelosi was a plan gone wrong imo. It was never ment to involve assault, just trash the join and get the media involved. Now the media and Dems are painting the attacker David DePape as a right wing extremist. There is no limit as to how low the Dems will go. I suspect the incident was a Hillary/Pelosi plan. How convenient that Nancy was not even in San Francisco. Attacker had zip ties? Something strange going on. Anyway:
https://leadpatriot.com/sorry-media-pelosis-attacker-reportedly-a-homeless-left-extremist-with-a-crazy-history/19635/
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November 1, 2022 8:37am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yep the narrative is unraveling…
  
  https://youtube.com/watch?v=9dSHTkHye8M&feature=share
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The way the media acted is called “the wrap-up smear” by Nancy Pelosi.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Media portrayed the attacker as a far right wing extremist.
    He is actually a rabid druggie far left nutbar, but hey, anything to discredit the Republicans and Donald Trump. Incredible that things can be twisted so far as to link to Trump.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:14am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Your (Vory v zakone) statement the other day that the perpetrator told investigators that he and Pelosi were gay lovers does not look credible. As I noted then, this could only come directly from the investigators, or else is literally made up. I am going with the second option. I simply don’t believe any investigators would be blabbing to nefarious actors on conspiracy based alternative website.
    
    Who has form in literally making things up as part of disinformation campaigns?
    
    Basically Russian troll farms. At the moment Russia has a huge incentive to do discredit those in the US governmental system who are highly active in supporting Ukraine. Discrediting the Speaker of the House would be a major success for Russia. She is one of the key advocates in supporting Ukraine with large amounts of military aid.
    
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    November 1, 2022 5:15pm
    - Groggy
      
      Wayne you ae wasting your time trying logical thought on this forum. It dived into the conspiracy rabbit hole some time ago and doesn’t want to come out, Commies EVERYWHERE
      
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      November 1, 2022 6:44pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Just to add.
        The Russians obviously don’t dump their stuff on MSM sites. It would die there.
        Instead they provide a welter of comments on alternative conspiracy sites, so that they get picked up and endorsed by many others, including those with influence. The disinformation, which like all good conspiracies is connected to at least some related facts, then gets widely circulated by those who think alternative sites are more credible than MSM.
        There are some like this who regularly comment on Kiwiblog. Steve rather stands out in that regard.
        I note that the allegations have now got to some mainstream websites, though with the intention of showing why they are wrong. Which I see Virtualmark has done below. Though no doubt conspiracists would say the affidavit is a put up job intended to deflect from the “truth”.
        
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        November 1, 2022 9:58pm
- quarterpack
  
  Steve, you will be able to find material on the web to support any loopy theory, surely there is more productive and positve ways to spend your day?
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:49am
  - artemisia
    
    People can just rely on the MSM as the podium of truth and balance.
    
    I did read somewhere – was it the MSM? – that the Pelosis have declined to release security footage.
    
    Sounds like a trout in the milk.
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:08am
    - All_on_Red
      
      They wont be able to suppress the Police Body Cam footage.
      Looks like an encounter with a Male prostitute which has gone wrong so far.
      
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      November 1, 2022 9:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        May have been 3 people having a bitch fight.
        
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        November 1, 2022 11:08am
    - MCōs
      
      The security footage inside their house is none of your business.
      Here is a summary of events plus some background.
      Up to you if you believe it or not.
      Looks straight forward enough to me, but what do I know?
      
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      November 1, 2022 9:44am
      - MCōs
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/paul-pelosi-attack-suspect-wanted-to-hold-house-speaker-hostage-police/4NB4BRDI6NFD7IHH3XAQVZXZGA/
        Paul Pelosi attack: Suspect wanted to hold House Speaker hostage – police
        
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        November 1, 2022 9:44am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Do you think Paul was getting hammered, or nailed, Cos?
        
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        November 1, 2022 10:05am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Herald is your source? Really? The Horrid?
        
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        November 1, 2022 11:10am
      - MCōs
        
        As opposed to what, Steven?
        The plethora of ultra right wing web sites you commonly bring to our notice?
        
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        November 1, 2022 12:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘Steven’? My Mother used to call me ‘Steven’ when I had done something bad.
        
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        November 1, 2022 1:07pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        The security footage inside their house is none of your business.
        
        That – plus Paul Pelosi’s private life – is now very much public business and has been from the moment that the Democrats and their Media Operatives with bylines decided to start blaming the Right for the attack.
        
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        November 1, 2022 2:21pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Or you can just read the DoJ charging affadavit at https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download
        
        The police’s witness account is paragraphs 9, 10 and 11.
        
        Paul Pelosi’s account is paragraphs 13 and 14.
        
        The summary of the interview with David DePape is paragraph 15.
        
        None of the content in there aligns with the the RWNJ conspiracies about male prostitutes etc etc.
        
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        November 1, 2022 2:46pm
      - MCōs
        
        This tweet sums up the situation
        https://twitter.com/philip_germain/status/1587222118802006018?s=61&t=zgLp5oRxiOAPPeA1UFhtlQ
        
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        November 1, 2022 4:33pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        This tweet sums up the situation
        
        Nah, that’s just the latest spin on Blame The GOP since all the other approaches have blown up.
        
        Actually environmental activist Michael Shellenberger, a San Francisco resident (god help him) has the accurate take on this.
        
        The media are portraying the suspect in the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband as a man fundamentally driven by right-wing ideology. But it’s obvious to anyone who looks that what drove David DePape to violence was drug-induced paranoid psychosis.
        
        Like a lot of people in SF actually.
        
        And actual interviews with DePape’s neighbours.
        
        Their statements do not align with anyone who considers themselves MAGA, let alone MAGA-adjacent. Make no mistake, whatever transpired at the Pelosi household, how it is being used is typical Democrat playbook.
        
        Oh, and before your link starts getting on a moral high horse about – “We are witnessing the GOP not only refuse to widely condemn this attack, we are watching them mock and joke about it. They are normalizing it.” – I want to hear what he thought about Alexandra Pelosi’s Twitter take that “Rand Paul’s neighbour was right”, because that sure sounded like sneering, mocking and joking to me.
        
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        November 1, 2022 5:00pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Tom,
        
        I doubt Michael Shellenberger has any specific insight into what was going on in David DePape’s life – given I doubt he’d heard of him until a few days ago. Re DePape and his attack on Paul Pelosi, I think the best course of action is to wait to see what facts are presented in court, by both the prosecution and defence.
        
        It has though been disappointing to see so many appearing to delight in this attack rather than condemn it. I don’t know why it’s so hard to say “Any violent attack on a politician is reprehensible”, whether that attack be on Gabby Giffords, Steve Scalise, Sir David Arness … or Mike Pence or Nancy Pelosi (attempted). Do you agree?
        
        I also don’t delight in seeing Rand Paul attacked, but I would note one slight difference with his case. Rand Paul was attacked by his neighbour, over a dispute about rubbish on their yards. It wasn’t an attack because of Rand Paul’s political work or views. Still assault, and the guy is deservedly in jail. But not an apples vs apples comparison to the other examples I listed in the previous paragraph.
        
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        November 1, 2022 5:28pm
  - kowtow
    
    Quite right .
    
    We should all stick to the TVNZ et al ,single source of truth , DPMC funded folk over at the disinformation project thingy that our taxes are funding , “Jessica, then Tova”.
    
    “Sanjana is academic and disinformation specialist Dr Sanjana Hattotuwa who offers a chilling insight into online activity.
    
    Others who appear on the documentary are Dr Kate Hannah from The Disinformation Project and US-based New Zealand journalist David Farrier, ”
    
    TVNZ tonight , or as Plunket called it a “mockumentary”
    
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    November 1, 2022 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am retired. I can do whatever I like, including trolling people like you not the full pack.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:07am
- NothingLeft
  
  Seems the DNC supporting media in USA are erection deniers.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:30am
- Bullion
  
  The FBI have charged DePape and released their interview with DePape in the court documents
  https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23245700/david-depape-complaint.pdf
  
  It confirms DePape’s intentions to harm kidnap and harm Nancy Pelosi. Reporting from Fox if you need a right leaning source for your own bias:
  https://www.foxnews.com/us/paul-pelosi-attacker-told-investigators-he-planned-break-house-speakers-kneecaps-affidavit
  
  This corroborates other information about DePape;
  
  DePape’s social media reportedly filled with right-wing conspiracy theories
  
  On Facebook, DePape apparently posted that the trial of Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, found guilty of killing George Floyd, was a “modern-day lynching,” according to CNN.
  
  He also posted transphobic images, linked to websites claiming COVID-19 vaccines were deadly and posted links to YouTube videos with titles like “Democrat FARCE Commission to Investigate January 6th Capitol Riot COLLAPSES in Congress!!!” and “Global Elites Plan To Take Control Of YOUR Money! (Revealed),” according to CNN.
  
  DePape’s Facebook page has since been taken down.
  
  A WordPress blogger self-identified as “daviddepape” lamented about purported censorship by “Tech giants and private industry,” suggesting the Founding Fathers “never imagined” a day when they could “single handedly silence the people.”
  
  “The reason we have a first amendment is because censorship only applies to you,” the blogger “daviddepape” wrote. “The elites/ruling class never censor themselves.”
  
  The blog has since been removed from WordPress. USA TODAY was unable to verify whether the account belongs to the suspect.
  
  On a different blog under the name “daviddepape” which has also since been deleted, a number of posts belong to categories alluding to antisemitism, transphobia and right-wing conspiracy theories.
  
  https://kotaku.com/nancy-pelosi-hammer-attack-gamergate-david-depape-paul-1849723644
  
  The attacker reportedly ran a now-deleted Wix blog where he posted conspiracy theories about QAnon, the Holocaust, sex rings run by the Democractic party, and coronavirus. “How did I get into all this” he allegedly wrote on August 23. “Gamer gate it was gamer gate.”
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:30am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    As opposed to the Lefty conspiracy theories he ran with before.
    
    When you see stuff like that it’s quite obvious that he’s just your garden-variety loon, plus drugs, and there are now multiple witnesses to that history.
    
    And of course the desperate attempt by the Democrats and Left to use this in an effort to attack the GOP, in particular to shut down Republican election advertising in the lead up to next week’s election is as blatantly transparent as you are.
    
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    November 1, 2022 2:25pm
- Frank the tank
  
  He’s an illegal immigrant in a sanctuary city – oh the f*cking LoLs
  
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  November 1, 2022 3:05pm
Scooter

I listened to the post cabinet press conference today with Ardern and Mahuta, unbelievable that about 24 minutes of the total 49 minutes of the video was about the couple in Iran. Is this the most important item that affects NZers when there’s inflation, crime, cost of living etc?
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November 1, 2022 8:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  With apologies to Fawlty Towers:
  
  Don’t mention the inflation
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The pair in Iran are “Influencers” you know.
  Very important.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:18am
  - Paulus
    
    But I am told whilst they are New Zealanders they live in London when not travelling the world.
    They do not appear to have jobs.
    
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    November 1, 2022 1:37pm
    - Ghost
      
      You can earn a good living being a social media influencer.
      
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      November 1, 2022 1:39pm
      - Joely Doe
        
        Easier to do when daddy is a billionaire though..
        
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        November 1, 2022 2:06pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ah! London? These are the people that Jaspinda was talking to about shutting NZ down because of Covid?
      ‘You must shut NZ down to stop’
      Fuck it, there was a phonecall to flakes in London. They told me to do it shit.
      
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      November 1, 2022 5:43pm
Maggie Pie

We are all loving what Mayor Wayne is doing for Auckland!

Imagine if Fester had come thru 🙁
Can’t help but wonder how his plan for the ‘Maorification-of-Tamaki Makaurau’ would be by now?
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November 1, 2022 8:40am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Efeso would have had to follow the Labour party line and keep his mouth shut and we all know that he would have been a disaster.
  Efeso would have achieved sweet f**k all apart from higher rates and an even more bloated council payroll.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:16am
- Frank the tank
  
  You would have had to park the Porsche in the garage for carless Wednesdays for starters.
  
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  November 1, 2022 3:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The speaker of the house watches play school TV1 in the mornings, Breakfast.
So these clowns going on about 3 waters and an alternative plan. Needs Councils to talk with Govt. Really?
One thing I noticed, there was absolutely no mention of Moari involvment or Nanaia Mahuta. Very carefully avoided, even on the News.
Sometimes I wonder why we have News if they are not going to report the News.
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November 1, 2022 8:44am
Handyman

The Green dirty secret…
By 2040 the amount of dead batteries will exceed the worldwide amount of plastic produced.
They have no idea and no plans on how to dispose of the batteries.
Recycle? Then build a recycling plant now and add a tax on electric cars.
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November 1, 2022 8:45am
- cmm
  
  This is unlikely to be quite that bad because the battery manufacturing stream is too limited to produce the batteries required to make the green fantasy happen.
  
  The life of batteries is typically 10 years or less. That means that after 10 years the battery manufacturing process is only replacing existing batteries unless there is massive growth.
  
  I did the calculations in yesterday’s GD. IIRC they’ll need 200x the battery manufacturing they have now to keep afloat.
  
  While it might be possible to find lithium, the cobalt etc is going to provide “employment” for a few million more Congalese children.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Apparently a lot of water is needed for Lithium mining. I’ve heard it suggested that this is one of the limiting factors for mining it.
    Is this true?
    Some of the places they mine don’t have an excess of water…
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:38am
  - artemisia
    
    Chatham Rise has a large number of rare earth elements and other minerals including cobalt in the sea mud and in the phosphate nodules. No children would be harmed, or paid, in the extraction. Actually nobody at all will be harmed, or paid, until extraction is allowed.
    
    Not to worry, the company concerned has taken its resources and expertise out of New Zealand. Debbie Ngarewa-Packer will be delighted.
    
    http://www.rockphosphate.co.nz/the-project-1
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      NZ has Lithium but we are not allowed to dig.
      
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      November 1, 2022 11:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Some folks are trying to extract it from our Geothermal fluids.
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/04-11-2020/could-nzs-geothermal-resources-solve-the-worlds-lithium-mining-woes
        
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        November 1, 2022 12:03pm
Ghost

Who can name all 54 States of the USA?

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1586166583981838336
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November 1, 2022 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is that like the 5 principles of the Treaty of Waitangi?
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:04am
  - Colville
    
    because its been proven that only 3 out of 2 people can do maths.
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    5 and more being composed daily.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:26am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ten MORE commandments?
    
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    November 1, 2022 7:58pm
- Nickc2
  
  Wot, 54 States? Surely, that’s inflationary?
  No wonder Biden and the Dems are in the shit.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:27am
- All_on_Red
  
  Looks like the Union is shrinking.
  Down from 58 to 54!
  Obama; “I’ve now been to 57 States and is it, one left to go?”
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:43am
- kowtow
  
  Has Turdeau put his “defence” forces on alert , in case of invasion from the south .
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Joe must be including the new states of North Korea, China, Russia and Canada.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:25am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s called Hawaii Five-0 for a reason
  
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  November 1, 2022 7:57pm
Maggie Pie

By all reports, quietest Halloween EVER last night over our way.
Maybe the message has finally gotten thru?
We took all the usual precautions….probably wouldn’t go this far though. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/ycsm1n/status/1586929478848348160
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November 1, 2022 8:56am
- cmm
  
  We had rain here. That’s always a good dampener.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:03am
- Colville
  
  I just put a cable tie thru the gate latch.
  Funny to watch them try to open it 🙂
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:09am
- Ghost
  
  Down here parents just asked on Facebook what houses are doing Halloween and took their kids to those houses and left the rest alone
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:11am
  - kevn
    
    @Ghost… There was talk of balloons on the fence to say halloween friendly.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:10am
BeaB

The bogans are announcing on Morning Report. Both Dann and Dunlop speak terribly, emphasise the wrong words (it IS 8 o’clock), argue with interviewees, have no finesse or style and show huge gaps in their knowledge.
Remember when RNZ had educated, well-spoken announcers?
Those days seem long gone with these two and the assortment of reporters with such pronounced foreign accents and intonations it is almost impossible to work out out what they are trying to tell us.
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November 1, 2022 9:14am
- Ghost
  
  Why listen then?
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:15am
  - kevn
    
    @Ghost… because we/you are paying these clowns and need to do ‘quality assured’ checks.
    
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    November 1, 2022 10:24am
- cmm
  
  “Those days seem long gone ”
  
  Not seem, but are.
  
  And they are never coming back.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:31am
  - Bridgenag
    
    I am still grieving at the loss of RNZ and proper News [and The Listener]……….even Concert radio is going woke……………. sigh
    
    Anyone know a jazz radio station without too many ads?
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:51am
    - H. Upmann
      
      https://www.cruise88fm.com/
      Not all jazz but no ads.
      
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      November 1, 2022 10:22am
      - kevn
        
        @H.Up… I listen to Flatline FM on the same frequency. More old rock stuff, good car driving music.
        
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        November 1, 2022 11:09am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Thanks for that…..have discovered we can get stations from all around the world….free….and amazing Forget all the NZ stuff.
        Jazz 24 gets you there with all genres. now trying to sort the electronics from the computer to everything else. Thank you. Think those of us without 8 year olds need help to get up to date.
        
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        November 1, 2022 1:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Don’t listen. I used to enjoy it, well mostly. But that ended long ago. It is now intolerable.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:06am
- kowtow
  
  Anyone notice how the newstalk ZB stable , but particularly their “senior” political wallah , Wells , over plays and stacatos the rrrrrrr’s when he mentions the Rouge MP Gaurav Sharrrrrrrrrma’s name.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To be fair to Gyles Beckford, he’s been here since the early 70s. That Scouse accent is enduring, if not endearing.
  
  And he knows his onions.
  
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  November 1, 2022 8:00pm
ClanMcleod

More and more of my former “friends” who were “kind” enough to still speak to me during the covid circus // are now at the “are you still going on about covid?/get over it/it’s time to move on” stage of proceedings. Not all, some have had the good grace to admit they were wrong.
I knew this moment was coming, but still shake my head in disbelief that some think it such a trivial matter that it can be forgotten. Never.

Here’s an excellent post from Eugyppius that explain in detail, just why that isn’t an option.

Emily Oster’s latest act of moderation is the suggestion that we forgive and forget all the disastrous policies inflicted on us by terrified wealthy urbanites, clueless technocrats and mad scientist vaccinators since 2020, because, hey, these were just honest mistakes, anybody could’ve messed up like that, it’s all good.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/emily-oster-proposes-a-pandemic-amnesty

No, they weren’t “honest mistakes”. Yes, many members of the public were conned by the unprecedented propaganda campaign, but many weren’t. Yet they went along with the sham because it made their lives easier.

The thing is, Emily Oster, that we did know. We’ve studied respiratory virus transmission for years. All the virologists and epidemiologists who aren’t total morons knew your 2020 mask routine was crazy and they just didn’t care.

Emily Oster may have said a few reasonable things in the depths of her pandemic moderation, but she can take her proposal for pandemic amnesty and shove it all the way up her ass. I’m never going to forget what these villains did to me and my friends. It is just hard to put into words how infuriating it is, to read this breezy triviliasation of the absolute hell we’ve been through, penned by some comfortable and clueless Ivy League mommyconomist who is ready to mouth support for basically any pandemic policy that doesn’t directly affect her or her family and then plead that the horrible behaviour and policies supported by her entire social milieu are just down to ignorance about the virus. We knew everything we needed to know about SARS-2 already in February 2020. The pandemicists and their supporters crossed many bright red lines in their eradicationist zeal and ruined untold millions of lives. That doesn’t all just go away now.

The sooner the “get over it” brigade read and comprehend this, the sooner we can have the needed conversations and we can start the healing process. Until then it is going to sit like the festering wound it is.
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November 1, 2022 9:14am
- Inandout
  
  CM, after both world wars the population in general closed off all thoughts of the slaughter and suffering. It is human nature to shut the door on past pain and get on with life. Oh the resentment lingers with Jacinda’s dictatorial ways, in some ways comparable to being conscripted for a war that turned out to be a sham. WW1 in the trenches?
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Inandout – I hear you, I’m moving on, but as the post clearly points out, this is aimed at those cheerleaders and enablers of the nightmare of covid. Not the general public. We have had a few on this blog, you know who they are.
    
    The problem with using the world wars as an analogy is they aren’t the same as what happened during covid. During both wars, all people suffered as a collective. There was a sense of community and society to enable to healing process. With covid, it was the unvaccinated who were punished and did the suffering. Yes, it was unpleasant for everyone, but nothing close to the level of punishment inflicted on those who refused to comply.
    There is a scale of culpability and enabling of this criminal activity. I think most people intrinsically know where they fit on this scale. How much they went along while accepting the vilification, segregation and othering of their fellow citizens. Each will know and it is up to them to act as best they feel they need. Each person has to live with themselves.
    
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    November 2, 2022 8:05am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  can you imagine if Emily Oster took the same approach to the holocost “its over now, lets just forget it and move on”……yeah, nah.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s not getting over the virus, but it is understanding the way people were handled and the way people believed the lies.
  Got that Jaspinda? I am meaning you
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:35am
- alloytoo
  
  There has been an attempt to couch this as Vaxxed vs Non-Vaxxed.
  
  This ignores the fact that many of the vaxed chose to do so based on deliberately misleading information, and in any event never thought that our personal choice should be imposed on others.
  
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  November 1, 2022 12:08pm
Ghost

Oh efforts are needed to educate New Zealanders, I guess not enough people are believing the one source of truth

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/disasters-hackers-and-disinformation-experts-forecast-risks-to-national-security/YF43YGSZHBEZHDAH5GQFCYNT5I/
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November 1, 2022 9:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The greatest “risk to national security” is Ardern and her policies and her media shills who enable her. Fact.
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 waters is the greatest risk. The Govt and the Moari Party are pushing it very hard.
    http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:39am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Labour’s total failure in education, meaning a large percentage of kids leave school illiterate, and the rest poorly educated with reduced international earning ability, is NZ’s true economic and political doom. You can’t fix the problems that come from a large uneducated adult population trying to compete in a world of better educated countries – it leads to decline with failed students turned poor adults trying to vote themselves rich and being pandered to by populist politicians seeking re-election. High govt borrowing and escalating taxation of last productive remnants follow [you are here] – who eventually vote with their feet, and the state fails. Argentina, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, South Africa and myriad other countries are testament to this process. Labour have terminally holed the Titanic of the south pacific. Get yourself to a lifeboat.
      
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      November 1, 2022 3:41pm
Maggie Pie

There really are some nasty people in this world!

Ever since our wonderful local food-blogger Erin Clarkson moved to The-Big-Apple she’s gathered quite a following. And if you’re ever looking for fab dessert recipes, you can check her out @cloudy_kitchen.

Although seems not everyone agrees with her style of presentation 🙁

https://twitter.com/cloudy_kitchen/status/1523025336744943616
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November 1, 2022 9:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern seems to be worried about violent anti-authoritarian extremism which has ballooned in the last 6 months

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300727310/live-jacinda-ardern-explains-national-security-concerns-at-counterterror-hui

Perhaps she hasn’t yet noticed the other ordinary, run-of-the-mill violence that has been “ballooning ” during her time as Prime Minister.
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November 1, 2022 9:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’m much more worried about being killed or injured by being attacked by Chistchurch teenagers. A white extremist not so much.
  
  The ongoing violent spree in Christchurch is a disgrace. It left a 61 year old man dead, beaten by a group of teenagers in the central city. AFAIK Jacinda has been silent. She may not even be aware of it.
  
  Sadly there are no UN bonus points for going after psychopathic teenagers.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:13am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, smell the roses old chap. Nothing will alter Jacinda’s ignoring crime until one of her own government is affected.
    
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    November 1, 2022 10:19am
    - Matt Long
      
      And then she still want care about “common” people being hurt by crime.
      
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      November 1, 2022 1:39pm
      - Ghost
        
        Did she care about James Shaw? Looking at old articles about it seems she was commenting more about the access to politicians after it than caring about him
        
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        November 1, 2022 1:42pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  It’s called distract and deflect. Cindy’s pretty good at it. Anyone else notice Cuddles has been MIA for at least the last 6 months from media interviews??
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The biggest security threat is her and 3 waters.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:45am
  - Nickc2
    
    ….. and Co-Governance.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:46am
- alloytoo
  
  Perhaps she shouldn’t be so authoritarian.
  
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  November 1, 2022 12:08pm
fernglas

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/pathetic-and-unoriginal-chrissy-teigen-slammed-for-ripping-off-kiwi-cake-brand/YFGX6SDJJBGNTF6WQLH2FPI3QU/
Making America great again?
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November 1, 2022 9:51am
- Ghost
  
  I saw that, apart from being in a box can’t see what she was whinging about
  
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  November 1, 2022 9:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/how-maori-are-seeking-ultimate-power-through-new-constitution/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/John-Robinson.-New-Constitution.pdf

“The third document is the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.
The Clark Labour government voted against and refused to sign this declaration, but the National Key government bowed down to their Maori Party allies and secretly signed it –without any debate in Parliament. This document has been used as a basis of both the proposition for separate governments in the He Puapua report, and the current Labour Ardern government policy of co-governance.”
New Zealand is in big trouble.
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November 1, 2022 9:58am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Do Muslims celebrate Allahween?

😀 😀 😀
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November 1, 2022 10:00am
- MCōs
  
  Happy All Saints Day
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:13am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  More likely Aladeen aka the Dicatator
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:26am
grumpy

To all you mugs who thought reducing the speed limit was about “Road Safety”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/10/31/germany-demurs-on-introducing-mandatory-speed-limits-pushed-by-green-coalition-govt-for-now/
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November 1, 2022 10:31am
- kevn
  
  @grumpy… Maybe a new limit like ‘potholes per hour’ speed limit?
  Or plain dodgem driving. Because that is what it is.
  
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  November 1, 2022 10:58am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Even TORY WHANAU now says she’s interested in talking with the other Mayors about their radical proposals….. for alternatives to the governments 3Waters reforms.

Will she get a call from Nanaia?
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November 1, 2022 10:55am
- Harry Knuts
  
  More like a dressing down for going against the Maori bro/sis-code.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:28am
- Nickc2
  
  The last thing they need is a Labour Stooge in the mix. She’ll be there to report back to Mahuta about who said what and any weaknesses in their argument.
  Tell her to FO before she gets her feet under the table and make it sound exactly like it is.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:29am
Ghost

Georgie Dansey will be Labour’s candidate to contest the Hamilton West byelection, facing off against former Labour MP Dr Gaurav Sharma.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labour-selects-georgie-dansey-as-hamilton-west-byelection-candidate/5SW2IPXBXVD4LAJ7OTZIDCUXG4/
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November 1, 2022 11:02am
- Opie
  
  Why does the article have to comment on her family ties?
  
  Are they even real or does she just identify as some kind of group?
  
  Whitest Maori I’ve ever seen, what will Kelvin have to say about this?
  
  Another virtue signaling trougher no doubt.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:08am
- Swifty
  
  Labour puts up yet another candidate with a union background?
  
  Where’s the diversity?
  
  Labour, you suck.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:10am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  She will easily win Hamilton West which is a red seat now. The question is just how big the margin will be.
  
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  November 1, 2022 1:08pm
  - Paulus
    
    Dream on Sir Cullen !
    
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    November 1, 2022 1:43pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Been National for years apart from the Labour Landslide in 2020.
    
    However, she may get in if enough vote for Sharma and split the vote.
    
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    November 1, 2022 3:42pm
- Swifty
  
  RNZ skirts around the fact that this candidate is just another Labour unionist:
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/477829/hamilton-west-by-election-labour-party-chooses-education-association-chief-executive-to-contest-seat
  
  ‘Association’.
  
  Snigger.
  
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  November 1, 2022 3:48pm
  - BeaB
    
    But hilarious she’s head of the association of private schools. I thought they were for rich National toffs.
    
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    November 1, 2022 9:11pm
Swifty

Aussie sheilas:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11372079/Brisbane-racegoers-filmed-brawl-Spring-Racing-Carnival-descends-chaos.html

Classy.
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November 1, 2022 11:03am
- Opie
  
  Great flying knee to get it started, then a stoppage victory to the one in the white dress.
  
  They even fight better over there.
  
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  November 1, 2022 11:10am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Wow.
    The flying knee was a bit off-target.
    Very odd way to start the fight. Works for explosive/athletic kickboxers and MMA fighters when it lands.
    Some points for effort though, whatever it was.
    
    Also nice to see the man at the end helping out by holding someone’s purse.
    
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    November 1, 2022 11:45am
    - Opie
      
      Always hard to land a knee in a dress, maybe that’s why they have opted for a short offering.
      
      I’ve held a few purses in my day for “female” fights. Always good to do your bit. Joining in is generally against the rules…
      
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      November 1, 2022 12:23pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Wait till this afternoon – Melbourne Cup day, first full access for 3 years, and rain. It’s going to be a stonker!
  
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  November 1, 2022 1:56pm
Im Right

Am I the only one who thinks it’s a delicious irony that St Jacinda has to come out and assure everyone she is not stepping down as PM…you know, those rumours that normally eminate from the left about the National leader, when they need a smokescreen for some bad press that is imminent against them.
She doesn’t like the fact it’s even a question….her anxiety levels will be rising! DELICIOUS to see.
(Surprised our MSM even asked, perhaps the worm is turning?)
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November 1, 2022 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She’s not going to New Plymouth either
  
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  November 1, 2022 12:01pm
  - Paulus
    
    Not sure New Plymouth would even have her !
    Maybe New York may, but getting doubtful.
    
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    November 1, 2022 1:44pm
- Alex
  
  Yeh I’m Right reply:
  But who have you got to replace her, “Rivers of Filth Woods or “No Free Speech” Allen.
  But even they think she might need to be chucked.
  Let’s go Brandon!
  
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  November 1, 2022 12:15pm
- alloytoo
  
  I would like to point out her history of “massaging” the truth.
  
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  November 1, 2022 12:24pm
Harry Knuts

Could eat apples through a tennis racket.
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November 1, 2022 11:32am
Maggie Pie

They’re back to running the usual Melbourne-Cup-Sweep at the Viaduct.
It’s a thousand bucks to be in and winner takes all.
My partner put us both in. Just got a txt to say I’ve drawn one called….. ‘Arapaho’.

Wish me luck 😎
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November 1, 2022 12:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s a Frenchie..and looks good.
  
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  November 1, 2022 12:28pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG – Just saw the odds in the Horrid. It’s paying $61. LOL!!
    Txt my partner to say I’d be better off if he’d put a grand on the snorer for me.
    
    Anyways, will make it exciting getting all dressed up later and watching it live 😎
    
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    November 1, 2022 12:51pm
kevn

@Maggie… 100/1
Good to support the underdog.
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November 1, 2022 12:31pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Hilarious to hear Adern asking for transparency from Musk & twitter…..its almost as if she thinks her govt is the most open and transaprent ever…..LOL. What a laughing stock she is making NZ.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/jacinda-ardern-responds-to-elon-musk-s-takeover-of-twitter-after-report-labels-disinformation-as-one-of-nz-s-top-concerns.html
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November 1, 2022 12:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jaspinda has not had any opportunity to communicate with Mr Musk.
Really? Does she think the Worlds’ richest man is interested in listening to her undecipherable waffle?
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November 1, 2022 1:15pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  She’s actually got multiple Twitter accounts SteveO….none of them verified.
  
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  November 1, 2022 1:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She’s not smart enough to be a BOT
    
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    November 1, 2022 3:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Quarterpack will love this – from a far right wing extremist site.
Paul Pelosi and David DePape. What the media is not telling you. The left have turned the blame onto the Republicans, when the reverse is true.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-guy-who-attacked-pelosis-husband/
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November 1, 2022 2:24pm
krazykiwi

This is a paragraph from the Introduction of the [Draft] 2022 New Zealand Curriculum

Te Mātaiaho is designed to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and to be inclusive of all ākonga. The curriculum is framed within a whakapapa that connects all its components. This whakapapa and its karakia were gifted by Dr Wayne Ngata with the support of eminent experts in mātauranga Māori. The whakapapa flows from Mātairangi (‘To focus on looking beyond the horizon’) to Mātainuku (‘To focus on creating a foundation’) and on to the other curriculum components. Whakataukī bring to life and strengthen each component – from overarching statements through to each learning area and the big ideas within them.

I also note that, once again …

Te reo Māori and New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL) are official languages of New Zealand. English, the medium for teaching and learning in most schools, is a de facto official language by virtue of its widespread use.
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November 1, 2022 3:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This just turned up about water. Phil Goff said:
“While Auckland Council supports the need for reform nationwide to ensure uniformly high standards of water and wastewater services throughout New Zealand, it opposes the proposed governance model, which lacks accountability and therefore responsiveness to Aucklanders through their elected representatives,” Mayor Goff says.

But seriously, when will people forget about fresh water and see what is going on?
http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
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November 1, 2022 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING @ 12:22pm 😎

Yuge congrats from all here to Kim & Liz on their new arrival!!

Fab news guys on the wee fella.
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November 1, 2022 3:50pm
Warren

What’s our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern doing as she is paid a large salary to be Prime Minister of New Zealand, the CEO and the buck starts with her.
We have a crime wave where people are not being he’d to account, we have youngsters in ChristChurch causing havoc with serious assaults , where one elderly male has already died through the beating he took and Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is more interested in looking after her own job instead of being paid to sort out the crime wave of gangs, ram raiders and thugs.
Now we have Kainga Ora not doing anything about unruly Tennant’s and gangs that are upsetting some of the better Tennant’s with broken promises.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/477796/kainga-ora-under-fire-for-broken-promises
Good tennents should not be put in situations like this and the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern should be laying down the law and kicking the ones causing problems out as the taxpayer shouldn’t be paying for people terrorizing others to live in these homes.
If the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern can’t do the job get someone that can as the buck stops with her.
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November 1, 2022 5:03pm
Ehlana

Stuff would like us to know: “Māori voices left out as New Zealand’s space sector grows.”

Apparently the recent public consultation was too rushed for Maori and our space sector needs more of their input. You see, “light pollution [is] an issue that could disproportionately harm indigenous people, and risk future generations losing access to an “important repository of knowledge”.” The Crown may be called upon to protect the access of Maori to the night sky.

And “Māori have had a close relationship with space for millennia predating [their] arrival to Aotearoa”.

Does it not sound silly to the people who say it? Surely they don’t believe the New Zealand Government can control the number of satellites in the night sky? Or that the relationship of Maori to the stars was any closer than that of any other group who used them for wayfaring, telling time or fortunes or as inspiration for cultural myths and legends?
Has it ever occurred to them that they might get more traction with other New Zealanders if they sort common ground with them, instead of trying to paint themselves as the only ones anything affects?
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November 1, 2022 5:22pm
Sol Invictus

Check out this link re Maori wanting more involvement in New Zealand’s space acivities:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/130326590/mori-voices-left-out-as-new-zealands-space-sector-grows

At first read it seems to be from Babylon Bee – but no it’s actually from Stuff! A number of quite ludicrous and bizarre comments.
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November 1, 2022 6:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Note in the report referred to be Sol Invictus, this, from Pauline Harris, a Massey lecturer who chairs the Society for Maori Astronomy Research and Traditions:
  
  “Maori have had a close relationship with space for millennia predating our arrival to Aotearoa.
  
  “Our relationship with the sun, moon and stars through Maori astronomy, maramataka and now with the establishment of Matariki shows the continual relationship Maori have had with space and the environment.”
  
  Myths then, myths now.
  
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  November 1, 2022 7:35pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Co-Governance will guarantee Maori seats on the Boards of the NZ Space Agency and RocketLab with veto rights on both boards.
    What could possibly go wrong?
    PS: Maori names will be given to both Boards and Planets, and the Milky Way given human status eh?
    
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    November 2, 2022 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What a load of horseshit that was
  
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