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Warren

Andrew Little talks about Game Changes and the success Hospitals are having with the joint participant with Maori in our Country but is it all weasel words and bullshit as it doesn’t show in the real facts that Doctors and Nurses are complaining about on the job.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/andrew-little-health-agencies-working-as-equal-partners-is-a-game-changer/
I commented yesterday on how Andrew Little is a failure but it seems this Labour Government holds him in high regard even though all he has to show for it is a ability to piss people off with bad policy and I know better than you attitude.
If we the public don’t stop these looney policies this Government are pushing like Three Waters, Co- Governance, and the demise of our Hospitals with other portfolio’s also in the firing line future Generations will suffer and will not be able to change the disastrous Laws Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Maori want to push on us.
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October 29, 2022 8:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I heard yesterday about an ED nurse who came home from work and took her own life.
  this is the sort of thing that Angry Andy should have on his conscience.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:43am
  - kevn
    
    @Captn… I can tell you the ED is pressure like you wouldn’t believe. Not having the support and recognition from MOH/do-little is a bit soul destroying. do-little is just capitalising on nurses natural kindness (real kindness) decency and care.
    Look at their pay dispute, he just drags it out. Look at the staffing non-solution. wood for brains is complicit in this.
    USELESS.
    We have an ED nurse in the family.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:30am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Please pass on to the ED nurse that they are 100% supported by thinking New Zealanders.
      
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      October 29, 2022 10:01am
      - kevn
        
        @Lodden.. I will. Thank you.
        
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        October 29, 2022 10:34am
    - Phronesis
      
      I have close family working in the system as well. I am starting to feel that many are in a sense almost complicit in what is happening to the healthcare system. The recent pay settlement that the senior hospital doctors accepted was well below actual inflation since the last round, let alone accounting for current and future inflation. Staffing issues are largely due to far better pay in Australia, which leads to more staff, which leads to better working conditions. This isn’t rocket science. There is clearly a majority of doctors who are very left leaning, but unfortunately not enough to actually staff the system appropriately.
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:56am
    - rockape
      
      Yes, wife is an ED nurse, they are losing staff at a high rate ( she knows because many nurses ask her for references) . They are not recruiting to keep up with the losses. Most looking for jobs overseas, some looking for less stressful jobs and some are just taking early retirement. It’s bad now and will get a lot worse soon. It takes time to get the overseas jobs and time to plan the move. NZNO says 33% looking at leaving !
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:37pm
      - zombie
        
        Well to add some context to that and I cant comment on the veracity.
        
        But this is what my husband heard this week, a group of Managers off on a 2 day jaunt. My husband is discussing what is going wrong in the country and gets on to the nurse shortage, an Auckland Manager in a subsidiary field of Health says ” We have heaps of trained nurses graduating from AUT but the Health Agencies wont take them on as they say they dont have the funds”.
        
        My husband says “That cant be right” and second Auckland Manager from a different background says “Well, actually I have heard that story too”.
        
        WTH!
        
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        October 29, 2022 5:05pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  When you compare Andrew Little to Shane Reti as to who is better suited and qualified to be the health minister, there really is no comparison. Everything Little touches he makes worse.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:46am
  - Prince
    
    Similarly Erica Stanford vs Jan Tinetti.
    Stanford blew Tinetti out of the water at Question Time last week. Good to know National have some good performers in waiting.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:44am
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Stanford is seriously impressive and answers her emails unlike others – her vs tinetti/wood makes me have faith for 2023
      
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      October 29, 2022 12:47pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    In terms of major culprits from Labour’s dismal record in charge, Little must be a top contender.
    
    Emptied the prisons and caused a crime wave.
    
    Spent billlions making health worse.
    
    Can anyone name a worse minister in terms of negative impact on society?
    
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    October 29, 2022 11:03am
    - Tricati
      
      The Prime Minister – Ardern
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:11am
    - stewmar
      
      Can anyone name a worse minister in terms of negative impact on society?
      
      Kelvin ‘Special K’ Davis
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:21am
    - zombie
      
      I can think of 2 others.
      
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      October 29, 2022 5:06pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Little came to our hospital more than once – didn’t meet up with any frontline staff, doctors or nurses …. In fact, the only interaction with a medical registrar was when she was ordered by his security team, to vacate the lift she was in, so he could enter.
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:43pm
  - kevn
    
    @CloseHen… The classic “Don’t you know who I am?’ syndrome.
    do-little.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:39pm
Tomtoddy

Some people are bad losers. That they can get paid to be a bad loser is a bit over the top. That it is you and I paying is criminal.

Poor silly old Simon Wilson and his one-eyed rag, the Ferald, fought Wayne Brown and backed Efeso Collins as hard as was possible all through the mayoral campaign. They ran a dirty tricks effort to keep Brown out. The attacks were relentless.

However we showed Wilson and the Ferald bosses just how absurdly out of touch they are with “on-the-ground” Aucklanders. Brown romped to power and Efeso disappeared back to Mangere. But did Wilson and his masters admit defeat and realise the error of their ways? No way. Today they have run a couple of pages attacking Brown, offering puerile, pedantic and irrelevant rubbish about Browns first week or so. Give up, Simon. You lost.

That’s what your money buys, folks. Jacinda gave journalism a heap of your hard earned cash for this nonsense. It would be pathetic and funny in a way if it was harmless. But be warned – a state controlled media undermining those elected by the people (especially any non-socialists) takes us way down the road of totalitarianism – rule by the elites.
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October 29, 2022 8:04am
- Southern Raider
  
  Wait for the general election
  
  Will they take more bribes or realise it could be a very short term win
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:14am
  - Tricati
    
    They have already started. Closed media meetings to set the agenda is underway.
    https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/the-secret-media-meetings-for-political-censorship-of-the-2023-election-and-why-tdb-can-t-cover-them
    
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    October 29, 2022 11:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They will take the bribe win or lose. Why? Because I can’t see them being bribed for the next 12 years. No more money for Labour, you can’t do the in opposition.
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:53pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  Don’t buy the Herald. Don’t click on their links. Don’t support biased bribed media.
  
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  October 29, 2022 11:05am
Souvlaki

An insightful column from du Fresne.
I hope National advisors read it & take it on board:
http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2022/10/the-problem-with-luxon.html?m=1
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October 29, 2022 8:07am
- RockyJ
  
  I disagree Souvlaki. Luxon is a marketing man. He knows he has to take votes off Labour, not compete with Act. This means he has to come across as like Labour but more sensible.
  He has already stated his position against the most destructive Labour policies. Coming across as a hard nosed right winger, while it may appeal to you, will frighten off the sandal wearing luvvies who once idolised Jacinda but who are now having second thoughts.
  It’s a smart strategy
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:15am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Its a cynical strategy.
    
    It is not a strategy with integrity.
    
    It is “we are the same as them, but in a suit and better at administration”.
    
    Is co-governance, DEI, Carbon Zero and fair pay agreements with better administration a good thing for NZ?
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:38am
    - Liberty
      
      “It is not a strategy with integrity.”
      
      What a load of piffle.
      National supporters of the right are a myth. Along with National is a broad spectrum party. That is also a myth.
      Under the first past the post National did have a lot of right supporting members.
      That came to a halt in the 1970 winters of discontent. National lost Rangitikei
      By Election. Sheep were slaughtered in Invercargill streets. Reneging on the surtax was the final straw for many. That void has never been filled. Peters, Dun were just a waste of space. Resulting in the current power freak in power now.
      Now we have MMP and it’s all changed.
      Luxon is doing the right thing. Looking after Heartland NZ and disenchanted labour votes
      If National is to left. National is not going to change. The voter can sit on their arse and not vote. And let Labour win again. like 2020 or vote Act.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:04pm
      - Colville
        
        National has to WIN to change anything. So doing what it takes to WIN is the right thing.
        
        J Key said (something like) “the plan is to win and then bring the voters along on the journey and at the end of the term the voters think differently”
        
        That is what Luxon needs to do, change mindsets.
        
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        October 29, 2022 1:32pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        National with Seymour as a handbrake could be the least worst outcome I’m thinking.
        
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        October 29, 2022 6:08pm
  - nathie
    
    RJ: I tend to agree, as I’ve said before I work with overwhelming Labour lefties but many of them are aghast at Labour’s failures and incompetence (cost of living, law and order and health failures, co-governance etc) and do not want to vote Labour again in 2023 (and not the far-left Greens because these people I refer to are in the “middle”).
    
    So they are unsure of who to vote for at the moment. But I suspect if National don’t come across as too extreme they might get their vote (and the odd one may vote ACT due to David Seymour’s positive demeanor).
    
    As rough seas engulf Labour, some steady sailing will see National, and ACT, move away into calmer waters to relief of NZ’ers!
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:51am
    - Paulus
      
      I suspect that many of those who now admit they voted Labour, and regret it, do not know where to turn.
      They will never vote National so expect that they will not vote.
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:01am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I agree. Elections are decided and won by the middle voters. Majority of voters vote for either National or Labour and Luxon needs to win back the voters who went to Labour last election.
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:52am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      And this is why NZ has been going backwards for the last 30 years.
      
      Pandering to low IQ NZers who run on “feelz” rather than brains.
      
      When JK agreed that WFF was indeed an “entitlement” rather than a bribe, he cemented in labour policy. We now have 70s unionism, state funded media, and a UBI in all but name.
      
      But its ok because the Nats are “centrists” and won’t rock te waka!
      
      Sadly I can’t dispute the strategy – this is what MMP inevitably leads to. Pandering and bribing voters with borrowed money.
      
      But fiat currency and debt will only take you so far. Try and get an operation and discover how far NZ has gone backwards.
      
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      October 29, 2022 9:18am
- Observer of Life
  
  I’ve sent that article (by Karl) to Luzon and Bishop. Not holding my breath they’ll read it though.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:57am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I fear Luxon is going to lose the election. What he should have said to that Dunlop person is that unlike other Parties National will chose the best person regardless of race colour or creed. It will be colour blind. It wont insult the electorate or the person chosen by chosing the 2nd 3rd 4th or 5th best person.
  Governance of a country is too important to be playing games with candidate selection. In a fulyl functioning democracy only the best governors will govern effectively.
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:14am
  - wisteria
    
    Totally agree Lastmanstanding. There are too many of the “diverse” types in the Labour Government now, doing nothing, filling up the back benches and are vote numbers.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:21am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Exactly. Compare the diversity of Labour’s Cabinet vs the diversity of Labour’s MPs.
      
      Shows you that Labour’s tokenism goes only so far & no further. No way the minority picks are getting their hands on the levers of power.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:17pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is this the Dunlop person who is newly engaged to the Labour Justice Minister, now that she is divorced form her previous squeeze.
    
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    October 29, 2022 11:03am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Yes
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If Labour win again, my address is not a NZ one.
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:58pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      You and approx 1 million kiwis apparently.
      
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      October 29, 2022 6:09pm
- peterwn
  
  The National Party members in Hamilton West decide who their candidate is going to be, not Chris Luxon. It is about time journos learned about National’s candidate selection processes and not assume they are the same as Labour’s (where basically Robbo calls the shots). The top priority for National is for the locals to select the candidate with the best chance of winning the seat. The time for cultural diversity is when doing the list rankings and again this is influenced by what potential National voters are looking for, not journalists bought off with taxpayers’ money. Chris is fully aware of the implications of diversity and does not need preaching to by Karl and his ilk. Anyway can Karl flip a hamburger better than Chris?
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:20am
  - James Stephenson
    
    The problem with this drive for “cultural” diversity is that you end up with the UK Conservative party. Plenty of black and brown faces but all of them graduates of the globalist Oxbridge blob.
    
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    October 29, 2022 11:27am
- Phronesis
  
  This is why those actually on the right need to vote ACT and leave National to the centre. In my ideal government National would be the junior partner.
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:00pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Do MetLink go out of their way to hire unhealthy people?

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/up-to-10-wellington-train-services-cancelled-a-day-due-to-sickness.html
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October 29, 2022 8:08am
- Richard
  
  Most of the staff on the trains are overweight. Twice this week my Hutt Valley train ran just 4 carriages in peak hour, squeezed in like sardines. 3 carriages were left empty. The train guard told me it’s due to staff shortages and staff to passenger ratio requirements. On the plus side it was so packed he couldn’t collect the tickets and we got a free ride home.
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:22am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Probably not but they mandated a certain product that may nor may not be impacting peoples health.
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:23am
  - zombie
    
    Or it could be the resurgence of Covid NZ is starting to experience. In particular Wellington and even more in particular, Hutt Valley who led the figures on Covid growth last week.
    
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    October 29, 2022 5:19pm
Southern Raider

Teens rampaging through Chch carrying out vicious assaults on random kids. The videos being posted on social media that our media has access to are horrendous. One shows the same teenager walk causally up to a random kid walking home from school and then do a swinging kick to his head. Another shows a teenage girl repeatedly assault another girl at a mall and the other girl never responds once, but even while on the ground from several blows is then kicked in the head.

This is the caring transparent reality of life under Jacinda.
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October 29, 2022 8:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Teens are also “allegedly” killing citizens in Christchurch
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-dies-following-assault-in-central-christchurch/LHNNHZZTRNAF3DA7MBHGJSQOKM/
  
  Shopkeepers near Christchurch’s central bus exchange say they are terrorised daily by gangs of young shoplifters – who look to be aged anywhere from 8 to 16.
  
  Commuters have witnessed people being assaulted and robbed and say it has become a scary place.
  
  Security guards said some offenders were armed with knives or sharpened sticks.
  
  Their comments come as a 61-year-old man fights for his life in hospital after he was chased by a group from near the Colombo St bus exchange and attacked on Cashel St about 6.20pm on Tuesday.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130195963/young-shoplifters-terrorising-shopkeepers-near-christchurch-bus-exchange
  
  Might be time for Christchurch Cops to wander around the Bus stops and Shopping Malls every now & again.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:36am
  - Southern Raider
    
    That 61 year old (in the article says he was very community focused and had just been gardening a community plot for several hours) died from his injuries
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:40am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      There are kids walking into liquor stores here and telling the staff ‘we are going to take what we want. If you touch us we will have you charged with assault. ” They just walk out with whatever they want. By the time the police arrive they are gone in their stolen vehicle.
      
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      October 29, 2022 9:42am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Best get Corrections Minister to open a few jail cell doors
        
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        October 29, 2022 1:04pm
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s also high time Labour’s Maori Caucus stopped promoting racial disharmony and separatism eh?
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:46am
    - Drone
      
      Hi @Nickc2 you need to understand the long term goals of the Maori party, they see a return to tribalism as the way forward for NZ. Think South Africa, and Zimbabwe and white flight. Only then will they rest..
      
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      October 29, 2022 8:21pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    So much for the push to get folk to use public transport. I would not go anywhere near the bus interchange.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:39am
    - Jim
      
      Yep BY, I do laugh when the green public transport agenda comes up against a red light every time there is a story about violent assaults and cages needed to protect bus drivers in Tauranga, CHCH, Wellington etc.
      It’s not unlike considering using a 1970s roading underpass, perhaps some convenience in crossing the road, but you’re more likely to be mugged.
      
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      October 29, 2022 4:06pm
  - rouppe
    
    Might be time for a Guardian Angels group
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:52am
    - oldfella
      
      rouppe: How about MahutaCorp Angels? Yep, yep, they could protect local businesses. In return for a small ‘koha’. Eh, bro. //
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:57am
  - Jim
    
    Yet Maggy isn’t it ironic the ‘immediate response’ from authorities when a disabled woman damages the empty building of the PM electorate office. Under this government I expect she’ll get a stiff sentence, more than a four time rapist.
    
    The PM is quoted as saying it’s “extremely upsetting” lol.
    
    Well PM, I’ll tell you what is extremely upsetting is, getting your dairy ram raided for the 8th time with you’re family working in it! Or maybe getting a random violent street attack by a gang prospect, or even being a random victim of delinquent youth crime all for a TikTok credit.
    
    This is life in Ardern’s NZ.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300725697/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-office-attack-extremely-upsetting
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:27pm
    - Roberta
      
      My local cafe owner has been held up at knifepoint 4x this year, no previous robberies, no mention on the news either. Clearly Jacinda’s press team have cultivated her story to the media.
      
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      October 29, 2022 8:41pm
- Ronin
  
  The anti-smacking legislation is kicking in now.
  
  Excuse the pun.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:39am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Over the past 50 years Governments from both sides have allowed an underclass to develop and in many ways have encouraged it. It started with the DPB in 1973 under Norm Kirks Labour Government. My wife was working at the them Social Welfare and cautioned the outcomes. These came to pass. That Government like every Government that followed think that throwing money at a problem will fix it and the more money thrown the better the fix. As a recent example I give the $1.9 Billion thrown at mental health. I have seen no evidence that this has fixed the problem. The issue is Governments dont plan and have preset conditions that will demonstrate what success or failure will look like. In the case of Labour they have removed KPIs so the outcome whatever it is cant be measured. It is not surprising the country now finds itself in this shambles.
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:22am
  - Flossie
    
    Never mind that the 1.9 billion thrown at mental health hasn’t fixed anything, where did all that money actually go?
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:47am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      No-one knows.
      
      In April National asked the Auditor-General to investigate…
      https://www.national.org.nz/oag-asked-to-investigate-1-9b-for-mental-health
      
      They’ve decided to just focus on youth mental health services…and we might get a report on this mid-2023.
      
      https://oag.parliament.nz/media/2022/mental-health
      
      Deflect & delay….. Labour’s usual modus operandi
      
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      October 29, 2022 10:16am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Before the election, hopefully.
        
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        October 29, 2022 1:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trousered
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:07pm
  - Keith White
    
    Where is Albert Pierrepoint when NZ really needs him?
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:00am
  - Taieri
    
    As a recent example I give the $1.9 Billion thrown at mental health. I have seen no evidence that this has fixed the problem.
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    But it will pay for many reports, “hui” and all sorts of other things that troughers busy themselves with. Mental health is not something that can be “fixed” with money. I’m not sure that it can be “fixed” at all.
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:24pm
Yvette

New Zealand was unusually restrained in its criticism as two Kiwi Instagram influencers went missing in Iran.
But now –
Loudly, proudly standing with the women of Iran, staining the Iranian Embassy red, throwing headscarves into the flames and burning passports to a crisp, a group of Iranian Kiwis on Friday cut ties with their homeland in the name of Mahsa Amini.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/topher-richwhite-bridget-thackwray-why-green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-was-briefed-on-kiwi-influencers-but-other-politicians-weren-t.html

“My hope is that now that they are out of Iran that the Government will do what other Governments have done; impose sanctions, expel the ambassador and make a strong statement on Iran,” Greens MP Golriz Ghahraman told media.

Meanwhile –
According to Mfat, there are 19 New Zealanders registered on SafeTravel as being in Iran.
It’s understood many of them have dual citizenship for both New Zealand and Iran.
An Mfat spokesperson confirmed three messages had been sent to the 19 individuals in Iran since protests began, the first on September 27, the second on October 6 and the most recent one this morning.
All three messages warned about the protests and provided advice about what to do. The last two messages also included the recommendation to leave the country.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/acting-pm-grant-robertson-denies-govt-struck-a-deal-with-iran-to-allow-kiwis-to-exit/HQIDTJIT7IWSBQWEYVHWYFBVDM/

So, Jacinda and Nania, after your silence, two “entitled” people are safe – what now of the other nineteen left behind?
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October 29, 2022 8:10am
- Yvette
  
  And further …
  The Government is coming under fire for not briefing other political parties on the plan to blackout coverage of the plight of the Kiwi influencers who were stuck in Iran.
  The Opposition says, by making them fly blind, the Government put the couple at unnecessary risk
  
  So had National indulged in an outburst of negative rhetoric which had unfortunate consequences for the “influencer” couple, would it have been National disaster, or Labour’s for not telling them of fuller circumstances? So why were they not told?
  
  “There has been a violent change of political debate in this country that has gone from the normal and vigorous disagreement a democracy requires to unhinged conspiracy theories which justify political violence”
  Jackson continued by urging Kiwis to reach out to whānau and friends who may have convinced themselves of some “crazy secret conspiracy” to remind them they are loved
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:35am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… A father with deep pockets will have been instrumental. Donation to a ‘good cause’? IMO.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:39am
- Master Mariner
  
  I mean honestly and through my experiences, Who the hell would rely on Mfat for advice anymore ?
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:37am
Tricati

Ardern’s aircraft breaks down in Antarctica and she has to hitch a ride home with the Italians. Has parallels to her government, all noise building up to the trip, photo op’s on the ice, then the wheels fall off and she will be in full spin mode on blaming Nationals 9 years of neglect on aircraft maintenance.
Coming home to a shit-storm over the Local Government (Mahuta) report significantly changing democracy in NZ, health system in melt down, farmers getting strength in numbers now, and the latest fiscal outlook looking dire for NZ. If she turns up in parliament, its going to be a testing week for her.
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October 29, 2022 8:11am
- Paulus
  
  Seems she has the bad kiss when Antartica is concerned now having to charter an Italian aircraft, like when they hired the C17 from the US Airforce.
  How much are these Charters costing us ?
  I would not like to be around when she was told that the C130 could not do her return trip – her temper is reputed to be foul at the best of times – am sure it hit the frozen fan.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    A 757 went to Scott Base and back yesterday. Why didn’t she hop on that?
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:08am
    - Paulus
      
      Because the B757 is a passenger plane it is totally unable to land on Ice.
      Has wheels not skids.
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:07am
      - Jim
        
        Technically it can wheel land on ice, as do the C130. This TAIC investigation should better explain why the 757 is unsuitable for the Antarctic journey.
        https://www.taic.org.nz/sites/default/files/inquiry/documents/13-009%20Final.pdf
        
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        October 29, 2022 1:41pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Not correct. All the aircraft at McMurdo land on wheels. That includes the 757, which does land there.
        
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        October 29, 2022 2:22pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    She won’t have chartered the C17. It would have been on its routine flight to and from McMurdo. When I went to the Antarctic in 2011 it was by C17. They are the most frequent aircraft to fly from Christchurch to McMurdo. The RNZAF C130 only does the flight once a week, at most. The C17 flights are are least three times per week.
    I imagine she first attempted to go by C130 to demonstrate that she would use a RNZAF aircraft by preference.
    
    A few years ago New Zealand had the option to buy the last two C17 off the production line. It was a great pity that the offer was not taken up (Treasury resistance). For instance the C17 can fly to McMurdo, orbit for up to an hour before having to return if weather prevents a landing. The C130 PNR is several hundred miles north of the Antarctic. The C17 could also easily fly our troops to the northern hemisphere, think for instance of the 140 trainers of the Ukrainians.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:15am
    - Philip Hart
      
      There were 3 c17’s at Christchurch Airport on Monday
      
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      October 29, 2022 9:42am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The C130s are an embarrassment. It is ridiculous that they were not replaced 10 and perhaps 20 years ago. I know they are being replaced in 2024. The 757s are not much better. They are 29 years old.
      
      What is it with New Zealand governments they they can waste millions on ruinous policies, but cannot maintain even a very small airforce? It is embarrassing.
      
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      October 29, 2022 9:52am
      - Jim
        
        BY with utmost respect to our service people, we must be realistic about NZDF capabilities. These are often challenged conducting and sustaining domestic civil defence. By example the apparent success during the Kaikoura earthquake was largely down to significant international support due to a coinciding military exercise in our region.
        
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        October 29, 2022 4:13pm
    - Paulus
      
      Wayne – do the US C17s go to Scott Base or their own US base.
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:08am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        McMurdo field serves both the US and the NZ base. The US base is at least 5 times larger than our base. The ice runway has a veritable fleet of aircraft.
        
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        October 29, 2022 2:24pm
      - Jim
        
        CHCH is the staging post, in order to fully refuel as it’s a long and potentially hostile flight.
        
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        October 29, 2022 4:15pm
    - Geoff1
      
      PNR 60° South
      
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      October 29, 2022 12:23pm
    - Muttonbird
      
      A few years ago New Zealand had the option to buy the last two C17 off the production line. It was a great pity that the offer was not taken up (Treasury resistance).
      
      More like Cabinet resistance methinks. No vision.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:29pm
    - Jim
      
      Yep agree about the the mightily capable C17, but unsure of the return on investment, considering the operating costs. Also it would be delivering NZ’s field guns, which technologically are only one mark of evolution from the trebuchet.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:46pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I agree with Wayne Mapp. New Zealand does not “hire” planes from the USAF.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:45am
    - Paulus
      
      How do you know ?
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:09am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        You are asking me to ‘prove a negative’. It would be more appropriate if you posted evidence that the USAF ‘hires’ its C17s to New Zealand authorities.
        
        I do know that the USA and NZ programs in Christchurch cooperate, and that New Zealand personnel sometimes ride on the C17s. But that is quite different to New Zealand ‘hiring’ one.
        
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        October 29, 2022 2:51pm
  - Scooter
    
    Not a good look to celebrate the 65th anniversary on Scott Base and Jacinda can only get there with the help of US and Italian planes.
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:00am
  - Matt Long
    
    How come everyone gives Adern a free ride over her carbon footprint?
    So Key took his wife to Antarctica, Key’s not a True Believer destroying lives and economies in 4he name of climate change.
    Rodney Hide was howled down in the press because he was the perk buster who took his partner on an overseas trip on the taxpayer’s dime.
    Saint Cindy still gets preferential treatment even on this blog.
    
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    October 29, 2022 11:16am
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s rumored the Orcas and Penguins did a runner and the ice started melting once she let loose.
    I have it on good authority that her temper tantrums are becoming more the norm of late.
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Parliament is on holiday until November 8th.
  
  Probably enough time for Our Dear PM to find another junket to occupy some of Nov and Dec’s sitting days.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:40am
  - Tricati
    
    How bloody convenient.
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:50am
  - Flossie
    
    Why didn’t she do the Antartic junket during the recess then? So it is 65 years on for our base there, but even the Queen’s jubilee was not “on the day”.
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:23am
- kevn
  
  @Tri… Maybe that’s why the Herc turned back first time around?
  A USA plane got to the ice just prior to her first effort.
  I’m sure McMurdo would have best weather forecasting and would have advised accordingly..
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:42am
- Taieri
  
  Local Government (Mahuta) report significantly changing democracy in NZ
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  Changing?
  Eliminating!
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:42am
- rangitoto
  
  Ardern flew with the far right extremist Italians. Oh dear.
  
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  October 29, 2022 11:34am
  - Jim
    
    They might have considered her as dangerous air cargo.
    
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    October 29, 2022 4:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Crisis:
  The Australians dropped food and water.
  The British dropped tents and medical supplies.
  The Americans dropped building supplies and fuel for heating/cooking.
  NZ dropped an intake manifold.
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:11pm
- jon
  
  Its a wonder Cindy agreed to hitch a ride with the Italians, given they have, in the words of the Left, a Far Right govt!
  
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  October 29, 2022 3:03pm
Southern Raider

It’s not only Little.

Davis could not bring himself to use the word crisis at all in regards to our prisons even through staff at only at 75% of normal levels. Even the corrections union is claiming it’s a crisis.
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October 29, 2022 8:12am
iMP

This Antarctic trip by our pm, appears to be photo padding for a UN cv. I can’t see any possible benefit or relevance to Nz.
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October 29, 2022 8:12am
- RockyJ
  
  The benefit to NZ is that her plane broke down and the chance of her being stuck there forever increased. I feel sorry for the penguins.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:17am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Now the plane in which she was supposed to be flying back to New Zealand has broken down, and she’s hitching a ride with the Italians!
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-plane-breaks-down-in-antarctica-italian-aircraft-comes-to-rescue/IRMU6D7DENHP5JZ7TI66JU3TBE/
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:19am
  - G152
    
    So labour is a victim of its cutting the NZ military back.
    747s may be yesterday but they are reliable
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:22am
    - Paulus
      
      B 747 Jumbo cannot land on ice under any circumstances (has wheel not skids) and I don’t think there are any around at present having been superceeded a few years ago.
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:11am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Paulus, give up your ridiculous assertion that planes with wheels can’t land on ice. they do, every day, right up to 757s and C17s. And there’s no reason to think a 747 couldn’t.
        
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        October 29, 2022 8:40pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    That airforce Hercules was probably the same airplane that flew over us at Minerva reef south of Tonga 30 years ago 🙂
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:25am
    - CJames
      
      Those airforce planes came to NZ in the 60s. Even though they are are well maintained, they are well past their use by date.
      
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      October 29, 2022 8:45am
      - nathie
        
        Lets not forget the Green Party wackos were against replacing the 1960’s vintage C-130 Hercules (with the newer variant).
        
        The Green Party wackos thinks that alternative “smaller planes” will do instead.
        
        Goodness knows which small plane the Green Party wackos think will make it to Antarctica from NZ (the Air NZ types ATR72 certainly wouldn’t – a C-130 Hercule would likely be the bare minimum)!
        
        Time for the NZ MSM to stop reporting on what the Green Party wackos thinks when it comes to NZ Defence Force matters as the Green Party are clueless!
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/391812/defence-force-s-1b-spend-unnecessary-greens
        
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        October 29, 2022 9:01am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        National ordered new ones, but Labour put it on hold.
        
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        October 29, 2022 9:09am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Captain,
        
        Ron Mark ordered the replacement C130J in 2019. These aircraft will be delivered in 2024.
        
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        October 29, 2022 9:17am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        No National did not order new ones. That is the problem. No Labour did not put any order “on hold”..
        
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        October 29, 2022 9:54am
      - nathie
        
        To clear things up:
        
        The National Govt in 1997/98/99 were looking at options to replace the current (1960’s) Hercules by piggybacking onto an Australian order of new C-130J’s (12 for Australia and up to 8 for NZ).
        
        The incoming Labour Govt in 1999/2000 cancelled NZ’s options to acquire C-130J’s, (although the Australians still went ahead with their purchase, they replaced two squadrons of older Hercules with one new C-130J squadron and one new C-17 squadron), preferring to further upgrade the current (1960’s) Hercules to extend their lifespan.
        
        So under Labour (Helen and Jim), NZ missed out on new C-130J’s that wouldn’t be breaking down as much nowadays (compared to the current 1960’s Hercules) and didn’t consider locking stepping with the Australians and acquiring a couple of C-17’s that would have proved invaluable for Antarctica work and other deployments …
        
        The incoming National Govt of 2008 found the (1960’s) Hercules upgrade project in a spot of bother due to issues with the main contractors but thanks to the Ministry of Defence’s perseverance and National’s support (shout out to Wayne Mapp and his successor Jonathan Coleman) they got the project back on track (and a number of other projects that Labour initiated, particularity Navy shipbuilding projects) and because the (1960’s) Hercules had been upgraded it was too soon to replace them during most of National’s term (towards the end instead).
        
        National (shout out to Gerry Brownlee) then tried to acquire C-17’s but as Wayne mentioned Treasury weren’t as supportive and put up roadblocks. By the time things started moving again it was too late as C-17 production had ceased and the final aircraft were sold.
        
        The incoming Labour/NZF Govt of 2017 then approved to purchase the C-130J replacements (in 2020 – it should have happened a year or two sooner) but one can be sure if NZF hadn’t forced Labour’s hand (shout out to Ron Mark) no doubt Labour would have dithered particularly as the Greens were not supportive of buying new C-130J’s.
        
        So here we are today, Labour has played a major part in the current state of the Air Force operating both broken aircraft and not investing in other more capable aircraft to supplement the Hercules (like the Australians have done).
        
        If Labour somehow manage to win the next election in 2023, expect more rubbish and bad media headlines about breakdowns into the late 2020’s/2030’s as no doubt Labour would rather shortchange NZDF and replace the 757’s with other worn out/second hand civilian airliners (instead of new military spec’ed heavy airlift aircraft with a useful rear ramp to load/offload heavy equipment. Such as the European A400M or better still the Japanese Kawasaki C-2).
        
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        October 29, 2022 2:34pm
    - G152
      
      Actually I once did a couple of hours in a DH82 thats still flying.
      90 years and still up there
      
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      October 29, 2022 11:15am
  - Taieri
    
    Now the plane in which she was supposed to be flying back to New Zealand has broken down
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    Even the plane doesn’t love Dr Ardern anymore…
    
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    October 29, 2022 8:54am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Like a true lefty, happy to sponge off others
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:51pm
- igm
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  it is unclear why she wanted to skip Parliament to visit Antarctica…. The stated reason of marking the 65th anniversary of Scott Base seems, on the face of it, a tenuous excuse to make a very climate unfriendly return flight on a C130 Hercules particularly at a time when there are so many pressing issues on the domestic political agenda.
  
  https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/10/28/thomas-cranmer-pms-urge-to-get-to-antarctica-reminds-us-of-nzs-connections-with-the-ice-mythical-and-otherwise/
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:19am
  - Its only I
    
    Too many people make the assumption she is the leader of a party and her proximity to that party makes a difference to its performance.
    
    She operates in a remote space above anything “party”. That’s why the MSN don’t ask her any questions because she knows nothing, no requirement to know stuff.
    After the last 5 years of watching Labours negative impact on the lives of its voter base while still holding up in polls I think it’s easy to assume even if the PM was able to give reasonable accurate answers to good questions Labours supporters wouldnt understand the answer.
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That’s a nice way of putting things. “That’s why the MSN don’t ask her any questions because she knows nothing, no requirement to know stuff.”
      And the silly people of NZ thought the Media were paid ‘not to ask questions’ only the scripted ones with scripted answers.
      It is all quite clear now, thank you for the explanation.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:26pm
- blue collar
  
  Seems to me it’s a bucket list thing
  She can go , wants to go , best excuse is the 65th anniversary .
  She knows she’s gone and won’t get another opportunity.
  She knows she’s gonna do a runner before election and must go now
  Expect her to rush around doing all sorts of this crap up ontil Feb or 6 months out from election .
  
  To keep a face on it do staged photo ops with books , run the climate line which no one but a lunatic cares about , it’s a political weapon , and sweet as
  
  Put yourself in her shoes , times up , the clock is ticking , you can do whatever you want , you don’t care about your countries troubles , it’s all about her now .
  
  Next stop ? Inspect the effects of climate change and water quality at New Zealand’s flashiest trout fishing lodge with Clarke
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    it’s all about her now
    
    It has always been about her and her alone.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:03am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Hope she takes her makeup bag on that jaunt then
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:52pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, – King’s Coronation in May, with Goff as New Zealand’s High Commissioner, and entourage for photoshoot.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:22pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Is there also a major lack of clarity on the mode of transport
  
  I’ve heard claims varying from
  – was a special trip just for her
  – was part of a planned supply trip
  – she caught a ride on American Starlifter
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:46am
- Southern Raider
  
  Anyone else got the feeling Jacinda knows she is gone and is working through her bucket list of taxpayer funded trips and events?
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She has known for some time she is toast.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:28pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  No but she can now say that she is one of the few people on this planet who has visited all the continents that has to be worth something doesn’t it. /sarc
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:29am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Is there a T shirt with that?
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:23pm
- Jim
  
  Definitely a UN portfolio photo opportunity, another virtue signalling image for the office wall in NY.
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:56pm
Southern Raider

Maybe Jacinda should have spent the bridge cycle way consultancy money on our air forces maintenance budget instead?
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October 29, 2022 8:13am
Nukuleka

I knew the moment I heard about the break-in at Nancy Pelosi’s home that RNZ would feature it on their ‘news bulletin’ and how correct I was. And predictably they tied it in to the upcoming mid-term elections with a clear implication that this attack on Paul Pelosi was part of a Republican Party ploy.
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October 29, 2022 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  A bought and paid-for Democrat stunt, organised and directed by Clinton & Pelosi Inc.
  Fucking sympathy-seeking bitches!
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:31am
  - Keith White
    
    A little nuanced, but spot on 🙂
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:02am
  - riffer
    
    Well, actually, no.
    
    USA media are deporting that David DePape is a registered Greens voter.
    
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/What-we-know-about-David-DePape-man-accused-of-17542056.php
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:20pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Read between the lines!
      
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      October 29, 2022 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Remember when her husband was DIC’d Pissed as a chook, couldn’t walk a straight line. Looks like he won’t be charged.
    NZ media were very quiet.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:31pm
    - Nickc2
      
      One law for all – YEA, RIGHT!
      NZ’s has moved away from the one law for all rule, where there are now two sentencing criteria. If you’re Maori, it’s a slap on the wrist or HD no matter what the individual’s criminal history indicates. If you’re white, the full force of the law is applied in it’s most brutal interpretation.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Willie Jackson will be around soon, to re-educate you.
        
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        October 29, 2022 4:50pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Did RNZ mention that when Senator Rand Paul’s neighbour attacked him, broke his ribs and he had part of his Lung removed, that Christine Pelosi (daughter) tweeted “Rand Paul’s neighbor was right”?
  Thought not.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:33am
- MCōs
  
  I just listened and there was no mention of the election.
  More importantly Jerry Lee Lewis’s death was mentioned. The old bugger was 87yo!
  How did he live that long?
  The cricket in Oz is turning into a fiasco with three games abandoned and absurd results in others.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:43am
  - Nukuleka
    
    You clearly were not listening to the RNZ Concert news at 8.00 am. I resent the implication that I was lying in my earlier post. RNZ made a clear link between the attack on Paul Pelosi and the midterm elections.
    
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    October 29, 2022 11:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, you are correct Nukuleka.
      
      and here you can read what RNZ reported:
      
      A hammer-wielding man attacked US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband during a break-in at the couple’s San Francisco home early today, authorities said, in an assault that raised fears about political violence ahead of the 8 November midterm elections.
      :
      
      The assault occurred less than two weeks before midterm elections in which control of the House and US Senate is at stake.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/477615/us-speaker-nancy-pelosi-s-husband-assaulted-after-break-in
      
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      October 29, 2022 12:31pm
- Southern Raider
  
  How would the “leader of the house” or whatever she is not have state paid security at her own residence. This seems very weird
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:56am
  - MCōs
    
    She wasn’t there
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe Souther Raider was meaning Electronic Security, not bodyguards.
      The property is surround by a high wall – but walls don’t work according to the Democrats.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:35pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Nuku, last time Pelosi’s home was attacked it was by nutty leftists who left a pigs head, and spray painted slogans about UBI and cancelling rent. This time her husband was attacked, and it was by a Castro supporting leftist nutter. And it has been noted in America, that the same people who thought it was OK for Rand Paul to be attacked by his neighbour, are up in arms about Pelosi being attacked. Go figure.
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:21am
  - riffer
    
    Well, clearly. they are idiots both times. Hardly representative of all democrat voters, though, just like a right leaning crazy is not representative of the Republicans.
    
    Crazy people do what crazy people do. Political affiliations are very much secondary. Most of us, despite our political affiliations, ain’t gonna do crazy stuff.
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:22pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Idiots on both sides differ? Correct, but US Crisis Monitor shows that between June 2020 and July 2021 the violent idiots in the States were overwhelmingly from the left. I also have no doubt that you are correct about the few not representing the many, but overall, the fringes of the left appear more willing, and likely to undertake violence to further their cause.
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:31pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  And still there are National people who think RNZ should be preserved.
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Preserved in a big container of formaldehyde, so we can look at it and remember not to vote Labour ever again.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:38pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I note that Paul Pelosi is expected to make a full recovery, which is good news. I also note that he is 82.
  
  From the news report you’d get the impression that he was savagely beaten; such that a full recovery is nothing short of miraculous. Unless the reporting is economic with the truth.
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:28pm
amospicton

It occurred to me yesterday that the media really revealed in a stark fashion that it regards its role to manipulate its ‘customers’. If we assume they are in favour of co-governance they should have been delighted by the recent announcements on local body elections. It should have been front page news….but nothing. Why? Because they know it’s deeply unpopular and so better to hide it. They are not news – they are propaganda.
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October 29, 2022 8:22am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I remember listening to a talk show host reading some declaration by Stuff leadership that they thought it was their role to shape our opinions. I’m pretty sure that was even before they signed up with the government to be their mouthpiece.
  They’re not hiding it.
  They are not our friends. The sooner they go broke the better.
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:19pm
  - amospicton
    
    Agreed, but it’s TVNZ and RNZ as well – taxpayer funded entities who should be scrupulously unbiased. I guess private companies can be biased so long as they don’t get propped up with taxpayer funds. If they fail so be it – freedom of speech and all that but with market discipline.
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:26pm
- Paulus
  
  Re Local Elections – I am happy to give 16 year old persons a vote when I see their receipted Rates bills.
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m willing to give 16 year-olds the vote, as long as the Youth Justice system ends at age 15 years and 364 days.
    
    https://youthlaw.co.nz/rights/the-youth-justice-system/
    
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    October 29, 2022 2:34pm
- Jim
  
  Hello and welcome to the world of fake and heavily manipulated news ( otherwise propaganda).
  
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  October 29, 2022 2:03pm
Chris Nisbet

How much better would NZ be if we tossed the Treaty into the rubbish bin, and the nebulous ‘principles of the Treaty’ with it?
Aren’t these things the root of all this sinister ‘co-governance’ and division being thrust upon us?
Couldn’t we then shift our focus away from the racism and division and focus more on making NZ a place for all its inhabitants?
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October 29, 2022 8:24am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , an awful lot of people go on about Martin L King jnr and his judge a man by his character , well long before that we had , until very recently , the now discredited notion of equality , for all ,before the law.
  
  Instead of our establishment elites banging on relentlessly about ToW principles ( note they hardly ever refer to the 3 articles themselves) we need to bang on about the fundamental principles of democracy .
  
  That’s what makes for a civil , inclusive society .
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:37am
  - Nickc2
    
    Ah, but Willie Jackson and his followers are saying “Democracy’s changed.” Yea, they changed it to benefit themselves.
    I don’t recall being allowed to offer my opinion and that folks is not Democracy as many of us and our ancestors fought for.
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:07am
    - Tricati
      
      The rest of NZ was promised consultation on He Puapua last May I believe after the Maori elite were consulted. We have seen squat since, other than further erosion of democratic systems through 3 waters entities being set up without passed legislation, Local Government proposing the desecration of local democracy in favour of 16 year olds and Maori elite.
      The fact no MSM are investigating, or reporting, on these proposed changes is chilling, and unless groups opposed star getting significant traction, we are stuffed as a country.
      
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      October 29, 2022 10:30am
      - Nickc2
        
        I couldn’t agree more.
        Given that we have a bought and paid for MSM, a lying dictatorial PM, a bunch of racist thieves comprising a Maori Caucus, a changed system of democracy, and an apathetic public, how will history record the era that was NZ’s Sixth Labour Govt?
        
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        October 29, 2022 12:22pm
  - zombie
    
    Liberty, egalite and fraternite.
    
    Many have fought and died for it and we now claim we are more sophisticated than that.
    
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    October 29, 2022 5:41pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Watched Grand Designs NZ and had a moriori guy building a new house on the Chathams. Talked about his family, culture, 600 years of pacifism and their marae shaped like an albatross
  
  What a contrast with their “cousins” we have on the main land who just want to complain, destroy, fight etc
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Kõpinga marae, shaped like an albatross, is a lovely building – full of light and such a contrast to the dark interiors of wharenui on the mainland.
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:29am
    - Master Mariner
      
      It is indeed Maggy, Opened up for a viewing for my family too.
      Great feel to it.
      
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      October 29, 2022 3:10pm
- Master Mariner
  
  How would “The divide and conquer” mentality work if we were all as one.
  I mean they seriously believe this.
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:42am
  - zombie
    
    This is doing the rounds today.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Md20KNs98
    
    You watch it and cant help but think, where did that country go? How did it come to this?
    
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    October 29, 2022 5:45pm
    - artemisia
      
      Good background graphics and music for Election 2023.
      
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      October 29, 2022 6:58pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Sad, isn’t it? I like to watch 80s TV ads and reminisce.
      
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      October 30, 2022 6:44am
- Jim
  
  Common sense Chris and you get my vote, but not in a world controlled by those globalists behind the UN/WEF etc who aim to weaken the nation state, and promote all things that undermine the bonds of societal cohesion.
  Name one thing that is actually better in NZ since our PM came into power in 2017? Just one, anyone please?
  
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  October 29, 2022 2:10pm
cas

If getting publicity means anything about a run for the top job, then Michael Wood is well in the lead. He is in your face about everything these days ( mostly bad policy and bad decisions) though I enjoy Erica Stanford wiping the floor with him on Fridays on the AM show. And he doesn’t seem to have a sense of humour.
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October 29, 2022 8:24am
- RockyJ
  
  He is the guy who described New Zealand citizens as “a river of filth”.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:33am
- Flossie
  
  Bring it on! Hope he does get Labour’s top job and therefore guarantee a drubbing next year.
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:27am
- Paulus
  
  Why would Wood have a sense of humour – he is a Unionist !
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:27pm
Tony Stuart

Christopher Luxon writes a weekly email to National Party members and supporters giving his take on the hot issues of the week. Yesterday’s missive ended thus:

Today, a report called “Future for Local Government” was released by a group commissioned by the Government. In almost 300 pages of mostly ideological waffle, there are proposals for mana whenua appointments to councils and a shift away from one person, one vote. National rejects these co-governance proposals, and any co-governance of public services. National is also committed to equal voting rights which are a fundamental tenet of democracy.

Kudos to Luxon for quickly and clearly stating National’s opposition to what was proposed in yesterday’s draft report from the Review Into the Future of Local Government. He has made it abundantly clear that National opposes co-governance of public services and any erosion of equal voting rights which he describes as “a fundamental tenet of democracy”.

If Labour continues to promote divisive, race-based policies, they will get a reality check at next year’s General Election, where these policies will be strongly opposed by National and Act. And if Labour’s Maori caucus think they have won, by getting the Prime Minister to consider such policies, they might discover it is a Pyrrhic victory.
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October 29, 2022 8:26am
- Colville
  
  Co-governance by stealth is already well underway with Māori entities been given affected party status by Councils with respect to resource consent (subdivision) applications.
  So what happens is the iwi entity says “yes we are affected” so we need a cultural impact report, who writes the report? the iwi do because no one else knows about their culture and history. A simple CIR here was $150K.
  and how do you argue against cultural affects that are purely feelings in someones head?
  A farmer here had a huge stoush with Council and local Marae where Marae reps swore that a pool where 2 steams joined on Farmers land was used to wash bodies way back in the day and it had to be protected and Marae had to have vehicle access to it (and the beach to get paua). Farmer told Council to FO so it ended up in a hearing.
  At the hearing old boys from the Marae swore its all true and totally sacred.
  Then farmer comes up with photos of his son DIGGING that pool with a digger 20 years ago.
  It all was just an attempt to get dive on access to the beach.
  No apology from Council or refund of the tens of thou$$ spent.
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:51am
  - Jim
    
    Cogovernance will be the absolute undoing of NZ societally, but equally importantly business and local government will grind down to an expensive glacial pace, and overseas business investment will pack its bags quicker than Ardern does for a UN photo opportunity.
    
    Think, how many overseas surgeons and doctors will want to live, work and bring up children in an apartheid NZ , where their vote is not worth the same as any other citizen?
    
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    October 29, 2022 2:20pm
    - zombie
      
      But that seems to be the point.
      
      In the future there will only be Maori Doctors as all other doctors are racist.
      
      This is the essence of Critical Race Theory which seems to have been embraced by the 2 NZ Health Agencies.
      
      Huge Maori quotas at Med school will ensure the CRT tenets of “Current discrimination must occur in order to deal with past discrimination” are met.
      
      No more foreign doctors treating them in a culturally unsafe way. See Prof Des O’Gorman’s anecdote on this and think through what the consequences are for NZ even attempting to buy in foreign expertise in the future.
      
      https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/events/webinar-every-life-is-worth-the-same/
      
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      October 29, 2022 6:03pm
- nathie
  
  National and ACT speak out against local body changes being proposed to increase co-governance.
  
  National’s Paul Goldsmith and Simon Watts have already dismissed the draft report as, “yet another attack on local democracy”.
  
  “In almost 300 pages there is nothing that will help deliver better infrastructure, housing and transport systems for our cities, regions and communities – which is what Kiwis need from local councils.”
  
  They opposed co-governance proposals.
  
  Act’s local government spokesman Simon Court said the report should be rejected, zeroing in on the proposals to boost Māori influence.
  
  “Co-governance is mentioned 37 times in the report. Ratepayers, the people who should be central in local government’s thinking, are mentioned only nine times.”
  
  The draft has been likewise slammed by Taxpayers’ Union campaigns manager Callum Purves.
  
  “These reforms would further erode local democracy in New Zealand by transferring more power from elected members to unelected groups without any democratic accountability. This will worsen, not improve, the democratic deficit in local government.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/130310129/shakeup-for-local-government-proposes-widespread-change
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:05am
- Southern Raider
  
  And support for 16 year olds being able to vote as they have valuable input and are effected by Council decisions
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:15am
  - Taieri
    
    And support for 16 year olds being able to vote as they have valuable input and are effected by Council decisions
    ————
    
    3 year old are also affected by council decisions…
    
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    October 29, 2022 12:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As someone else said, they can vote at 16 when they pay Rates at 16.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:44pm
  - C-Town
    
    The average 16 year old probably thinks that it will be fun and easy voting in a local election until the get their voting packs in the mail. Then they’ll have to read all the biographies and meaningless platitudes of all the low-profile candidates they’ve never heard of, and if STV is introduced, rank them in order. And then there’s the other boards as well. I’m pretty sure that all this work is one of the main reason why the over 18-year olds don’t vote in local elections. They’re probably more likely to dismiss it as hard work and get their parents to fill in the forms for them.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:56pm
- Jim
  
  Is Luxon capable of following up with decisive action to fully undo everything as promised?
  
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  October 29, 2022 2:13pm
Nookin

I disagree, iMP.
Given that mysticism is paramount to science in this country, we learn that the weather gods frowned on a pointless trip to the Antarctic at a time when the country really needs focussed leadership. We learn that the karma gremlins are sufficiently astute to realise that we won’t get that kind of leadership from Ardern and somehow contrived to disrupt the workings of her aircraft. And then we learn that the Italians are running some sort of shuttle service for stranded politicians.
Why is it that so many planes/flights associated with the PM seem to go awry? I am sure that this isn’t the first, second or even third time.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-s-plane-breaks-down-in-antarctica.html
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October 29, 2022 8:27am
- blue collar
  
  Airforce engineers don’t like her and providing their own pushback ? 😁
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:01am
  - Alex
    
    Blue collar don’t say that I was on an aircraft with Tyrant once. We got down safely.
    I don’t think I would like to repeat the experience again in light of recent aircraft failures.
    I can’t see her praying to God to give her a happy landing, like some others might.
    
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    October 30, 2022 1:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ole Jaxxie’s carbon cloud is quite concerning, the more so when she burns the fuel & doesn’t even arrive.
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/elon-musk-pulls-off-most-expensive-dad-joke-in-history
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October 29, 2022 8:42am
Southern Raider

Who organises an international cricket competition in a known rainy season. Would be the same as playing in NZ this time of year.

Last nights match between England and Australia was a pool round knock out match and called off
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October 29, 2022 8:42am
- Colville
  
  Great for New Zealand tho 🙂
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:53am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I’m not sure. The rain cost us a valuable extra 1 point and increase in net run rate
    
    Also if England had of won then Australia would be out. Now Australia have an easy run to semis as two much weaker opponents to go
    
    About 20% or more games is far have been washed out or rain affected
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:19am
    - Colville
      
      I believe that…
      
      Now both Oz and Eng have dropped 3 points (loss and draw each) so even if we lose to Eng we can still top the pool (as long as we dont get creamed) as our run rate is so good. If we beat Eng we will put them out and save Oz’s arse. (so we should throw the game 🙂 )
      
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      October 29, 2022 1:39pm
      - MCōs
        
        The whole idea of sport is to get out there and play the game and win on merit, not on the slide rule.
        
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        October 29, 2022 6:45pm
  - MCōs
    
    No
    We dipped out on what should have been an easy win
    I wanted to watch the Oz/Eng game
    Furthermore
    The series played in Ch’ch recently was uneffected by rain as I recall. Bit cold
    
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    October 29, 2022 9:39am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Yes that Aussie England game was going to be huge. Massive crowd and winner takes all
      
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      October 29, 2022 9:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  You need to remember that the rain on the Australian East Coast recently is unprecedented since rainfall records began.
  
  Playing cricket in Australia in October would generally be no problem.
  
  Also October in Melbourne is not the “rainy season”. It is one of the dryer months of the year.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Melbourne
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:07pm
  - Flossie
    
    Quite so Benedict. My partner was born and bred in Melbourne and says there’s no “known rainy season”. Maybe in winter there it can be wetter.
    
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    October 29, 2022 2:16pm
Southern Raider

So local government review is underway and already have one review leader Jim Palmer calling for more “mana whenua” representation due to the value they add. Other review leader is Penny Hulse is a long term left wing Auckland Council hack.

No hope
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October 29, 2022 8:58am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I listened to the Palmer being interviewwd on HDPA ZB show. It was chilling. He calmly said that iwi need to be appointed to councils with full voting rights because of “the Treaty”.
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:43am
  - C-Town
    
    Is he able to point out where in the Treaty it says that? I’ve read the treaty many times and haven’t found anything relating related to anything they’re proposing.
    
    Its like the Treaty has been transformed into a magical document the means different things to different people. People who claim things are in the Treaty need to be challenged on it.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:59pm
Yvette

Report “Future for Local Government” … In almost 300 pages of mostly ideological waffle, there are proposals for mana whenua appointments to councils and a shift away from one person, one vote.

Is the Jackson’s redefinition of democracy not simple because when the Treaty was signed, in 1840, Maori were a majority of over 90 percent of the population, and non-Maori were considerable less than 10 percent, and that has now reversed to about 83 percent non-Maori to 17 percent Maori. with many of mixed whakapapa among that number? – “there is more of us than you” versus “we were here first”
If the Treaty is a “living document”. it sure didn’t see the simple but fundamental change in population portions.
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October 29, 2022 9:06am
Alex

What’s the trick of being able to make a comment straight away instead of going round the houses?
But I digress.
I must point out more serious topics. Russians attacking Bakhmut in Eastern Donbas have been described as the “Army of the Dead”.unlikely to return from front lines. Most are Ill equipped new conscripts backed up by private mercenaries the Wagner Group.
Biden now sending B61-12 tactical nuclear bombs to Nato countries according to Telegraph UK.
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October 29, 2022 9:06am
- kevn
  
  @Alex… biden/vegetable is itching for a scrap as a distraction from all his dire policies in the US.
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What’s the trick of being able to make a comment straight away instead of going round the houses?
  
  1. Ask permission from the owner of this blog
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
  
  2. Use your own name (not an absolute requirement)
  
  3. Respect the rules of this blog.
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:36am
  - Colville
    
    and never use the word See You Next Tuesday…!
    
    even when talking about Willie Jackson…
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:44pm
- mawm
  
  Alex – Have you asked yourself the question that if the useless, demoralised, ragtag Russian army is being so mauled by the Ukrainians and its NATO advisors, why is it necessary for the US to send tactical nuclear bombs to Europe? BTW the US is the only nuclear power that has a “first strike” capability coded into their nuclear plans. All the others have only a “retaliatory” response codified.
  
  My reading of the news from Ukraine outside of the British or US media paints a very different picture to what you believe. They reveal that the Ukrainian army has suffered enormous losses of men and equipment at the hands of an army (special operation force) of about a quarter of its size.
  
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  October 29, 2022 11:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    What makes you so sure that Russia & China don’t have a first strike capability built into their nuclear plans?
    
    Seen them, have you?
    
    Thought not.
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:36pm
    - mawm
      
      What a ridiculous question; of course I haven’t.
      
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      October 29, 2022 5:34pm
  - Alex
    
    Mawn I think it’s fairly clear who is losing, Russians have retreated everywhere except Bakhmut, needing paid mercenaries the Wagners and Chechens to back them up.
    Funny business by Russians going on at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, next Chernobyl maybe.
    
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    October 30, 2022 1:24pm
Alex

Nookin it is well known in certain religious circles that the fallen angels ended up in Antartica.
This is why the elites are making constant visits,
And our dear leader needs to get near the source
For some inspiration as she is a “fallen angel” herself.
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October 29, 2022 9:15am
Southern Raider

Reading about White Island. Luxon should come out and announce as PM he will pardon all of them and give them awards
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October 29, 2022 9:33am
- Master Mariner
  
  I certainly would !
  Really need a law for ” Best endeavours” or along that vain.
  We have in Salvage at sea and rightly covered by Insurance.
  
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  October 29, 2022 3:14pm
Alex

Thank God we have got Wayne’s World a little piece of sanity in all that’s gone on in Auckland.
I know relatives and friends who never go to Queen St.Not even to visit Smith and Caughey at Xmas with kids. Felt unsafe in Queen St in day time.
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October 29, 2022 9:38am
- MCōs
  
  I’ve been down there often enough and you can tell them from me that there’s nothing to worry about.
  Don’t know about nighttime so much.
  
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  October 29, 2022 6:51pm
Maggie Pie

And further to ‘Southern Raiders’ post earlier about the brutal attacks on school kids in the Garden City, despite videos of the offenders being handed to police, they are still to make any arrests 🙁

https://twitter.com/chrislynchmedia/status/1585855938904276994

WARNING: gratuitous violence
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October 29, 2022 9:40am
- Southern Raider
  
  “Following lines of enquiry”
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:50am
Alan Wilkinson

Jacinda returns from Antarctica on someone else’s broomstick.
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October 29, 2022 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Gosh, not a far-right, neo-fascist one, I hope.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300719110/farright-leader-giorgia-meloni-sworn-in-as-italys-first-female-pm
  
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  October 29, 2022 9:57am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Apparently Pelosi was still screeching and swiping at Trump with hers. And Kamala’s is holed up in Martha’s Vineyard. So not much choice.
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:32am
- Paulus
  
  As it is an Italian broomstick I hope it is safe !
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:31pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

‘Before-&-After’ pics of Golriz after cutting her hair off to protest Iranian Mullah’s treatment of women.

https://twitter.com/EvilArthurFleck/status/1585923284540870658

OMG – the comments 😀
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October 29, 2022 10:03am
- rouppe
  
  I said at the time it was all theatrics.
  
  Big show of collecting it up, and then pulled around to the front where she cut off maybe half an inch
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:04pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Just a trim today, thank you
    
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    October 29, 2022 1:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Comments: She has Lie-abetes
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Jacinda Ardern beginning to see the light?

“Regardless to the time of year, it’s not okay. The people who work in our offices, they are there doing their job, they deserve to work in a safe environment.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/jacinda-ardern-condemns-sword-attack-on-office-says-such-activities-happen-fairly-consistently.html

The people working in our dairies, or walking along our streets, or waiting at a bus interchange also deserve to live and work in an environment safe from violent attacks.

And, surprise, surprise…. The buck stops at your desk, Prime Minister.
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October 29, 2022 10:06am
I remember when

Most Intense US Hurricanes 1851-2004:
1. Florida Keys 1935
2. Camille 1969
3. Andrew 1992
4. Indianola 1886
5. Florida Keys 1919
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October 29, 2022 10:14am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Most Intense US Hurricanes 1851-2004”
  
  Why does the period only go to 2004? That could be seen as shonky.
  
  Note: I’m not a “climate emergency” koolaid drinker.
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:10pm
I remember when

Once we get full equality in wages.
Will equality of output be next?
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October 29, 2022 10:27am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/
The Absolute Peril Of Being Naive And “Nice”
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/want-solid-evidence-maori-want-to-take-over-all-of-new-zealand-here-it-is/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Dont-be-naive-1.pdf
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October 29, 2022 10:37am
ClanMcleod

The “misinformation” regarding the experimental product inflicted on so many people is coming thick and fast. Waiting for the “fact checkers” to explain what is inaccurate about this.

mRNA Vaccines Injure the Heart of ALL Vaccine Recipients and Cause Myocarditis in Up to 1 in 27, Study Finds

New evidence has emerged that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are routinely injuring the heart of all vaccine recipients, raising further questions about their safety and their role in the recent elevated levels of heart-related deaths.

The latest evidence comes in a study from Switzerland, which found elevated troponin levels – indicating heart injury – across all vaccinated people, with 2.8% showing levels associated with subclinical myocarditis.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/27/mrna-vaccines-injure-the-heart-of-all-vaccine-recipients-and-cause-myocarditis-in-up-to-1-in-27-study-finds/

And more “misinformation” to be “fact checked”.

Bombshell Senate Report Concludes that Covid “Most Likely” Leaked From Wuhan Lab

Policymakers said there was “substantial” evidence of an accident at a research facility — while evidence for a natural spillover is “still missing”.

The interim report concluded that China’s unwillingness to cooperate or open up the lab in question meant it “no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt”.

GOP members of the Senate Committee on Health Education, Labor and Pensions reviewed hundreds of studies into the origins of Covid and interviewed “several dozen” experts over the past 15 months.

Writing in the report, they conclude: “Based on the analysis of the publicly available information, it appears reasonable to conclude that the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident.”

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/27/bombshell-senate-report-concludes-that-covid-most-likely-leaked-from-wuhan-lab/

I was permanently “suspended” from Twitter for saying this over a year ago.

And more evidence that the models used to drive the fear porn were complete bullshit.

Imperial Scared the World into Lockdown With a Covid Fatality Rate Up to 20-Fold Higher Than the Latest Data Show

Early in the pandemic, Imperial College London’s Report 9 modelled the impact of Covid based on a publication by Verity et al. on March 13th 2020, which estimated the IFR as 0.9%.

This IFR gave rise to the modelled estimates that “in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in Great Britain and 2.2 million in the U.S.”.

The authors wrote this: “However, the resulting mitigated epidemic would still likely result in hundreds of thousands of deaths and health systems (most notably intensive care units) being overwhelmed many times over. For countries able to achieve it, this leaves suppression as the preferred policy option.”

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/27/imperial-scared-the-world-into-lockdown-with-a-covid-fatality-rate-up-to-20-fold-higher-than-the-latest-data-show/

It was complete unadulterated bollocks. Never forget, Hendy and his pals at Te Pūnaha Matatini (who got $6 million dollars of government funding) repeatedly compared their models to Ferguson’s to show how “reliable” they were. Can we get our money back? Can Hendy be arrested?

As predicted, the whole covid narrative is collapsing and the useful idiots who fully supported it now want us all to shut up and pretend it never happened. That decent people weren’t discriminated against, segregated, demonised, vilified, smeared and punished, beaten by police etc etc.
Well all of this did happen, and it isn’t going away until their has been a full admission of the wrongdoing and a genuine apology, along with an absolute guarantee that nothing like it will ever happen again.
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October 29, 2022 10:38am
- mawm
  
  One must never forget what was done to us by our governments. They have inflicted on us a “vaccine” that is neither safe nor effective. It is a therapeutic agent that will have long-lasting, irreversible and life-altering side effects about which we were not informed. They took away our bodily autonomy, our freedom of movement and association, they imposed on us non pharmaceutical measures that have caused more harm than good – especially to our young, and they are in (wilful) denial about the side effects and death they have caused. ..And they have used this “pandemic” as a means to impose a digital ID, CBDC and a WHO pandemic treaty that will disempower us and remove national sovereignty.
  
  The question that has bothered me most is “why have the governments around the world been so hell-bent on getting everybody vaccinated?”.
  
  Dr Robert Malone has gone some way to answering this question in this video on his substack. It’s an intriguing 1 hour.
  
  “mRNA Vaccines: The CIA and National Defense”
  https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/mrna-vaccines-the-cia-and-national
  
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  October 29, 2022 11:30am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ‘I was permanently “suspended” from Twitter for saying this over a year ago’
  
  There’s a new sheriff in town, Clan. Reckon you could apply for resumption.
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:41pm
glowworm

I think this is what happens when you use compulsion/dominance on the population through your own extremely poor policy decisions…

Jordan Peterson talked with Lex Fridman a few months back.

I was listening to this last night. The whole podcast is excellent and worth a listen.

Jordan talks about the most dominant chimp, at around 1 hour 45 minutes in. If you’re short on time, this parts definitely worth a listen. As is the steel manning on Trudeau as this is just as applicable to Ardern. Enjoy.

https://youtu.be/sY8aFSY2zv4
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October 29, 2022 10:41am
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  This was supposed to be a reply to Maggy’s 10:06am comment above…
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:44am
kevn

@Clan… Thank you for the data and links.
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October 29, 2022 10:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kevn -you’re welcome, my follow up post from Offguardian has an even greater wealth of information regarding the horrific wrongs that have been committed in the last 3 years. I have so many “friends” who now can barely look me in the eye. They just want it to all go away. I think they are slowly realising the level of complicity they share regarding much of what happened.
  
  I will move on, once it has been truly acknowledged.
  
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  October 29, 2022 10:52am
NZer In Exile

From The Platform:

The Problematic Disinformation Project
https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/the-problematic-disinformation-project

NZ now appears to be governed by the residents of a mental asylum!!! Would be hilarious if it wasn’t so dangerous.
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October 29, 2022 10:47am
ClanMcleod

Re the post above regarding the disastrous effects of the inane policies to deal with the “pandemic.” There needs to be a Royal Commission.
This article in Offguardian would act as an outstanding reference document to use for all the relevant questions that need to be asked.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/10/28/covid-19-a-universe-of-questions-in-a-time-of-universal-deceit/

Just some of the pertinent questions.

Were these Covid watch words and rallying cries intended to serve public health or were they designed merely to be obeyed? Where did these ideas and phrases come from?

Why did the media and government relentlessly stoke public fear and anxiety?

Why were millions spent on behavioral management teams?

How did the phrase “the new normal” emerge within the first weeks of the pandemic?

Was sustained psychological manipulation utilized to create fear and coerce the public?

Were Covid symptoms genuinely unique or were we being conditioned to believe there was a new disease?

Were statistics about Covid deaths being manipulated to create the perception of a crisis?
Were lockdowns about protection or social control?

Did lockdowns reduce deaths or cause increased mortality?

Was there ever any evidence for ”asymptomatic spread” or was this overstated to frighten the public?

How did we go from “two weeks to flatten the curve” to permanent emergency “laws?

If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized. If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance — you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.

It is a superbly researched post. Worth reading in full.
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October 29, 2022 10:48am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep, but I’d rather wait for the Commission until after the next election.
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:43pm
GazzaW

How much has the PM’s junket to Antarctica cost the taxpayer?

We had the aborted flight on Monday and then yesterday the news broke that her Hercules had broken down but surprise, surprise there was an Italian charter executive jet conveniently on standby to bring Ardern and her entourage home. I’m certain that I spotted that charter jet enroute to McMurdo on Monday on FlightRadar24. So has that aircraft been ‘on call’ all week in Antarctica and has the return flight always been planned to use the charter aircraft rather than the Hercules? I’m sure that the Cristal Champagne, caviar and lie-flat beds will suit Jacinda and Clarke far better than webbing seats and an RNZAF lunch box.

By the way the ‘royal party’ has taken off and is enroute to NZ.
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October 29, 2022 11:12am
- Paulus
  
  As was once known to have been said “Emma Chisit” and in this case who is going to pay.
  Us of Course
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:33pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The Italian plane is not an executive jet but a C130 which went down there the other day.
  
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  October 29, 2022 2:18pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  The Captain may be right, the Italians also use an A319 charter aircraft from Australia I think to support their Antarctic operation. It was based here in Christchurch a couple of weeks ago. Either way the aircraft may have been coming back empty after a freight or personnel run. The bigger issue is that the RNZAF don’t have newer aircraft available that are able to sustain the low level of operations they do. My own view for what’s it’s worth is that the RNZAF should have a good sized corporate aircraft available for the government of any party to use to move the PM and their support people safely and securely around NZ and offshore. Leave the Hercules and 757 to do what they do best, move their stores and personnel around.
  
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  October 29, 2022 2:47pm
- Scooter
  
  Poor Jacinda, all that good news pr spin she hoped she would get for her jaunt to the snow has been a bit of a waste of time.
  
  https://thenewdaily.com.au/new-zealand/2022/10/29/plane-woe-strands-ardern-on-antarctica/
  
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  October 29, 2022 7:02pm
Maggie Pie

Now trending on Twitter….

BLACK LIVES MATTER IS A SCAM
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October 29, 2022 11:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It is. Always was. And they’re still “taking the knee” at the UK soccer. Duh.
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:13pm
Lee C

Remember how people who are ‘anti-vaxxers’ were considered ‘delusional’?
Riddle me this one:
https://www.spectator.com.au/2022/10/new-zealands-pandemic-science-is-cracking-up/
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October 29, 2022 12:08pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  “We have in front of us, a chilling precedent for future pandemic event responses. The global pandemic response was predicated on global injection of a novel therapy, based on data supplied by the manufacturer, who has subsequently quadrupled their revenue in 2021 and 2022. It was based on advice from the World Health Organisation, who is deeply reliant on funding from individuals and companies involved in vaccine manufacturing.”
  
  Ardern, Hipkins, Baker, Hendy, Wiles, Plank, Jackson and all of the others. You are criminals and you are responsible for this nightmare. I’ll be praying for karma to do it’s thing.
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:27pm
- kevn
  
  @Lee… Didn’t see that article in the Herald 🙂
  
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  October 29, 2022 12:58pm
Mike H S

Headline in the Telegraph “Anti-woke chief constable turns failing force around with back-to-basics approach”

This is the link to the article. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/28/anti-woke-stephen-watson-greater-manchester-police-chief-constable/

It is what we need in this country.

I might be able to cut and paste if you can’t get through to it due to paywall.
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October 29, 2022 1:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wow… a ram raid every 15 hours.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2210/S00220/labours-biggest-fails-a-ram-raid-every-15-hours.htm
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October 29, 2022 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

Stop me if you’ve already heard this one…..

‘He-mata-whariki-he-matawhanui’

https://waikanaewatch.org/2022/10/28/mahutas-3-waters-looting-was-just-the-beginning-much-worse-is-coming/
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October 29, 2022 1:28pm
cas

Harry’s book Spare is very much like Andre Agassi’s Open. A staring at you portrait which takes up the whole front cover, a one word title, an obsessive father, and how he grits his teeth, gets through it and finds love at the end. Both ghost written by the same man. Perhaps Harry should have just copied all the words from Andre’s book – or perhaps he has.
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October 29, 2022 1:53pm
- cas
  
  I forgot to add, same beard
  
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  October 29, 2022 1:59pm
- kevn
  
  @cas… Bound to be a worst seller.
  
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  October 29, 2022 3:55pm
- greybeard
  
  Sorry, this is quite far-fetched !
  
  Harry as a 12-year old suffered the violent , sudden and tragic loss of his mother , the fantastically popular Princess Diana. A mighty sad event for anyone, of any age.
  He then had to endure years of speculation regarding her relationship with Charles, and her reported relationships with other men , especially the one who is reputed to be ( and probably is ) his actual father, James Hewitt.
  
  The worst thing he and his brother William had to endure were the rumours regarding the possible involvement of the senior members of the Royal Family in the calculated death of his mother, due to her relationship with Middle Eastern tycoons of doubtful character.
  
  This is what I suggest: I would not be surprised if Harry decided to exact revenge for this in a most apposite way: before this happened probably the most infamous event regarding the Royal Family was the abdication of King Edward XIIIth when he chose Wallis Simpson over the Monarchy. For love. And thereby gave the Royal Family the fingers !
  Wallis Simpson, divorced more than once, American, high-society profile.
  Meghan Markle: divorced, American, film-star celebrity.
  Coincidence?
  One other thing: if Harry’s father was NOT Charles but James Hewitt then Harry actually has no Windsor royal blood in him: his mother , Diana Spencer, was not royalty.
  So Harry may be no more than a commoner after all !
  How would he take that?
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:52pm
Tom Hunter

I suppose I should put this over on DPF’s Senate thread, since I’ve already lambasted him about the sources he uses to find out about US Politics, but it might “off-topic” there so…

This is Andrew Sullivan on the elevation of Rishi Sunak to be British PM and the reaction of the US MSM:

Noah has the excuse of being a comedian. But the New York Times’ coverage has been almost as ludicrously slanted as its usual coverage of post-Brexit Britain, and it quickly ran two op-eds by British leftists trashing Sunak. Every story that refers to his ethnicity always slams his class “privilege” — i.e. that his parents were middle-class children of immigrants. This morning, the paper ran another hit-piece on Sunak’s wealth. The only benefit of his Indian ancestry appears to be that he will help the Indian diaspora in Britain itself. The incredible arc of imperial history finally coming full circle? Barely a mention.

Because of course. Barely any mention of the other non-white members of the Tory cabinet either.

Sounds like NZ MSM, as noted by Karl du Fresne in his piece on Luxon’s reaction to the whining about National’s “lack of diversity” and other BS.
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October 29, 2022 2:01pm
Benedict Yu

No someone vandalising the PM’s empty office should not be “extremely upsetting”. That would be the case if one her staff were attacked. It is merely annoying and the repairs will be funded by the Government.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300725697/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-says-office-attack-extremely-upsetting

The 61 year old man killed by a teenager at the bus interchange in Christchurch was “extremely upsetting”. The dozens of people who had their cars stolen in Christchurch – that is also upsetting. I have not heard Jacinda empathise with any of the victims of the crime wave in progress in Christchurch.
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October 29, 2022 2:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s all about her, silly.
  
  Other folks getting the bash or having their property stolen, trashed, etc is NOT her problem.
  
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  October 29, 2022 3:12pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Should you divulge to your Life Insurer that you like being strangled during sex?

Asking for a friend.
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October 29, 2022 3:11pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  If one uses big tech platforms, it’s probable they already know.
  
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  October 29, 2022 5:43pm
kevn

@Maggie… Indeed. Also don’t tell your insurer about being an enthusiastic recipient of experimental jabs of unknown real consequences.
I hear of folk up to their 4th jab and happy for more… Yep, really.
Still pondering Twitter so keep up your picks for us Maggie.
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October 29, 2022 3:52pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Here we go Kevey.
  Looks like Jesse has had his ban lifted…..
  
  https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1586127866269290497
  
  Wouldn’t have been allowed under the old regime.
  
  Twitter is such a fun place to be right now 😀
  
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  October 29, 2022 4:14pm
Hugh Jarse

Are Russel Brown and Simon Wilson the same angry old white man shouting at the clouds ?
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October 29, 2022 4:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’d think after having ~~endured~~ enjoyed 5 years of Ardern’s ~~wretched~~ stellar leadership they’d be chilled-out chappies.
  
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  October 29, 2022 5:48pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Modern art, hey.

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/oct/28/mondrian-painting-has-been-hanging-upside-down-for-75-years
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October 29, 2022 4:59pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some naughty 3rd form boys inverted a Paul Klee print on the wall of our Latin Class and the teacher noticed (became very upset)… Full detention for the entire class.
  
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  October 29, 2022 6:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Comedy is now legal on Twitter?

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=883064512675848&set=gm.1282737649192675&idorvanity=598366980963082
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October 29, 2022 5:55pm
DeepBlue

You don’t know what you had until you lose it. Chris Luxon breaking announcement.

https://fb.watch/gsrL-4S7zW/

Post your raw response in the reply.
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October 29, 2022 6:20pm
- skyblue
  
  Empty now. What was it?
  
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  October 29, 2022 8:57pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    Luxon giving what appeared to be a very credible resignation speech… the punchline was him voting for the rye bill bird in bird of the year. It was well done. It kept you on tenterhooks the whole while.
    
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    October 29, 2022 10:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was great. The comments – wow.
  The left will not understand this humour, you all know why.
  
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