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NeverMindTheBollocks

Xi thinks he’s in charge. Demographics will prove otherwise. Hubris awaits.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/23/xi-jinping-to-rule-china-for-precedent-breaking-third-term
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October 24, 2022 8:07am
- kowtow
  
  Same in the west .
  
  Demographics is destiny.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:09am
- tknorriss
  
  Demographics are also why, if he is going to have a crack at Taiwan, it will be sooner rather than later.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:42am
- blue collar
  
  He’s made the mistake of not keeping his enemies close , rebellion will be fostered out of sight
  The echo chamber left will lead to international conflict as his hawkish aims are supported by yes men , he will realise too late that his army is untested and what looks good on paper isn’t so good in reality .
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:44am
- Ra Henare
  
  If you form an opinion based on a Guardian Article. Then I feel sorry for your state of mind.
  
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  October 24, 2022 2:40pm
Hebe123

So the new premier of Alberta has straight out apologised for vaccine discrimination (among other things).

https://twitter.com/RebelNewsOnline/status/1583944132266848256?s=20&t=AOno_CUClMHKzCYDtf-G2w&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Us next? Haha no, that would require someone with more ethics than anyone currently in parliament.
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October 24, 2022 8:08am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  can’t imagine the sniveling Trudeau following suit. he continues to double down on his agenda – little cretin !
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:10am
- emmess
  
  And so it begins, I suspect within a couple of years, any politicians on record supporting mandates will be electoral poison.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:53am
  - Random T Person
    
    Chris ‘Get Boosted’ Bishop, spokesperson for the government vax discrimination agenda.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:42am
    - leoj
      
      Yup. The Nats were in boots ‘n’ all with this bastard of a government.
      
      Seymour too.
      
      If only Seymour would come out and apologise. Their polling numbers would soar.
      
      It’s not too late David.
      
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      October 24, 2022 1:56pm
- Lee C
  
  Perhaps the ones who objected weren’t ‘deluded’ after all.
  
  Perhaps those who were totally down with the scam, even offering up their children to teh jabbers were the ‘deluded’ ones all along.
  
  Just sayin’…
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  There are plenty of skeletons in the Alberta closet for her to discover. For example, over decades the recorded cause of death being “Unknown” was (IIRC) 10th on the list. Post Covid vaccination period that same cause of death is now the top of the list by some margin. Why? Wouldn’t that be useful to ferret out?
  
  Oh, and she has WEF acolytes in her sights too. Joyful stuff.
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:29am
artemisia

I expect Ms Ardern and M Macron will be closely watching the pending court case Republican National Committee v Google to make sure their research project into social media algorithms takes account of evidence of discrimination, if any. If there is evidence of discrimination will that be trumpeted as a ‘weapon of war’?
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October 24, 2022 8:12am
- Master Mariner
  
  Hopefully find out sooner by Musks takeover of Twitter.
  Hes been calling out to release their algorythms .
  Hopefully he makes it public.
  
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  October 24, 2022 8:48am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Twitter is hogtied by EU laws that result in global suppression if free speech. I’ve stopped hoping that Musk’s acquisition will result in any meaningful change.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:31am
Yvette

“Co-governance”
What is the hold-up Willie, or is it a “hold-up”?
Several articles on “co-governance” somewhere get around to mentioning, like this one –
The draft plan, if approved in full, would be the Government’s response to the UN commitment the National Party signed New Zealand up to in 2010 under then-Prime Minister John Key [1]

So it is just forfulling an undertaking that then-Prime Minister John Key committed them to.

But the Key Government at the time stated –

“New Zealand has always supported the overall aspirations of the declaration, and we already implement most provisions contained within it,” says Mr Key.
The statement in support of the declaration:
• acknowledges that Maori hold a special status as tangata whenua, the indigenous people of New Zealand and have an interest in all policy and legislative matters;
• affirms New Zealand’s commitment to the common objectives of the declaration and the Treaty of Waitangi; and
• reaffirms the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system, noting that those existing frameworks define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the declaration [2]

But –
Willie Jackson’s preparing for a frank conversation with the authors of a draft United Nations’ Declaration Plan, who are now four months behind Cabinet’s schedule
The Māori Development Minister is hopeful the authors of a draft United Nations’ Declaration Plan will have a proposal he can take to Cabinet when he meets with them on Friday.
In June a first draft was delivered to Jackson, but the minister never took it to Cabinet for consideration because he knew his colleagues wouldn’t support it.

So why is Willie having a certain amount of trouble?
If they are fulfilling Nation’s commitment, nothing in “co-governance” should be beyond “the legal and constitutional frameworks that underpin New Zealand’s legal system, noting that those existing frameworks define the bounds of New Zealand’s engagement with the declaration” [1]

Nothing should be outside the bounds of the Treaty of Waitangi .
Simple
Otherwise it breaks the Treaty
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[1] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cabinet-still-waiting-on-co-governance-draft-plan
[2] https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/national-govt-support-un-rights-declaration
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October 24, 2022 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Willie’s great ideas could be backfiring because of things like this from Julian Bachelor.
  What Bachelor posts is a wealth of information. I have posted two links in another comment below. He has stopped work to give his time to this:
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    A good cite.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:00am
- Justitia
  
  I’m really getting fed up with this. New Zealand has NO obligations or commitments under UNDRIP; it is a declaration, not a treaty which would indeed be binding. As a non-binding declaration UNDRIP has no force in New Zealand law unlike the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, both of which ban discrimination on the grounds of race and which have been ratified and implemented through New Zealand legislation.
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:34am
103PapPap

Has anyone looked hard at Michael Woods’ grand transport plan in any detail. Just looking myself, and asking some questions. The release showed how easy to use a credit card for a trip on any mode of transport, anywhere.
Great concept, but how is he going to handle the rapacious ‘Paywave’ charges the banks put on every transaction?
This looks like it will become ‘KiwiCommute’.
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October 24, 2022 8:27am
- Mags
  
  Easy – a state provided card that can access these services, and your accounts. Giving the state more control – over your movements and your finances. If you “misbehave” the your freedoms will be curtailed.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:03am
  - kowtow
    
    We copied the CCCP lockdowns , why not their social credit.
    
    We’re actually going that way by stealth.
    
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    October 24, 2022 9:11am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  no chance this govt can deliver. only hope next govt cancels this. likely to be another INCIS or superior IT project.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:12am
  - rouppe
    
    INCIS as a product never failed.
    
    The contract collapsed due to management uselessness, but the IT deliverables that existed at the time continued, and were simply publically renamed NIA.
    
    The executable out of the build pipeline is still, to this day, called incis.exe
    
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    October 24, 2022 9:28am
- pdm
  
  mrspdm and I do not use paywave and very very rarely use public transport.
  
  In fact we only use public transport when we are out of Hastings and use our/Winstons Gold Card.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:18am
  - marcw
    
    Good luck using that strategy in Auckland.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:28am
- peterwn
  
  In the public transport revenue context the ‘paywave’ fees are probably quite reasonable given the benefit to the operators. This includes the debit/credit card chip ‘remembering’ the last ‘tag on’ details for a ticket inspector to check. If the card companies get excessively greedy the transport operators can promote their own competing cards. So it is interests of the credit/debit card companies to keep their charges competitive compared with a possible ‘in house’ card. Possibly transport operators would prefer not to be in the card business themselves. In London, passengers get the same concessions on paywave as with the Oyster Card, and in marginal cases even better. Also the Oyster Card has limitations (especially with the Crossrail extensions) and it seems TfL would prefer Oyster to be phased out rather than having to upgrade it.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:19am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Im sure Singapore has there own card. Just top up and travel. No fees.
    Simple .
    If the propsal needs a paywave/ debit card arrangement , then you really have to ask why ?
    Data collection?
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:00am
    - Matt Long
      
      I’m just guessing but Singapore mass transit probably typically has more that two people on per trip so justifies the setting up of an IT system.
      
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      October 24, 2022 10:50am
    - peterwn
      
      Foreign visitors for one. The new Wellington airport bus service accepts ‘contactless’ as well as Snapper. Wayne Brown should tell AT to do the same for the new Airport to Puhinui Station battery bus service, but then AT has its head firmly up its arse. Currently if you do not have a HOP card you cannot use it – how silly.
      
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      October 24, 2022 12:35pm
      - Hebe123
        
        I’m in chch. I might very occasionally (say twice a year) use PT except I would have to pay double for not having a whatever card they use here. It costs $20 to get a card last time I looked – admittedly about 5 yrs ago – which I refuse on principle given it’s several years worth of vis fares. So I’ll just keep driving or get an Uber in those few situations.
        
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        October 24, 2022 6:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  After all of the money spent on AT Hop and Snapper, he wants to spend more money setting up something that does the same job. The software cost is enormous.
  The man is an idiot trying to fix something that is not broken. How about something “new” Wood?
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yeah I don’t buy it. The Auckland and Wellington cards work fine. Don’t know about Christchurch but hardly anyone here uses PT.
    
    I heard Jacinda say that a nation wide payment system was essential to maximise use of PT. Evidence free statement.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:51am
    - Nickc2
      
      What the fuck’s it got to do with the Govt anyway?
      Councils run their own bus services, some even in conjunction with private bus owners.
      If this Govt’s going to take over (steal) all council-owned bus assets (as in 3Waters) and give these assets to Maori to run and clip the fares on the way through, then it may be Govt business, but not yet and I doubt it will ever happen eh?
      
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      October 24, 2022 11:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Govt control – it is all about controlling you, (and me)
        
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        October 25, 2022 7:59am
  - peterwn
    
    A big ‘driver’ for unification is the SuperGold card. Some transport authorities notably AT do not accept the SuperGold card on its own. You have to spend $15 on a HOP card then get the agent to SuperGold it. Spearheading a unification to facilitate things for SuperGold card users this was probably the best thing Winston Peters did.
    Incidentally software is not an issue. The Government is going to use ‘off the shelf’ software which is currently used in London and Sydney.
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:48pm
- greybeard
  
  KiwiTracker.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is what it is – yep yep
    
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    October 24, 2022 11:41am
  - MCōs
    
    Hardly
    There’s much better ways of tracking people’s movements.
    Besides who wants to know where individual gold card users are going. You know. The ones that do all the smash and grab robberies.
    BTW
    Google Maps know where all their users are.
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:14pm
slightlyrighty

Now, I know that we are supposed to beelieve that the Mainstream Media treats both sides of the political divide in the same way.

However…

In the last month, 2 MP’s have been involved in Car Crashes, and I thought it would be interesting to see how the press reported on these 2 incidents.

So the question I have is, why is one MP’s Party highlighted in the headline, while the other MP’s party is Buried in the story?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/south-canterbury-mp-jo-luxton-admits-causing-three-car-crash-in-timaru/G7LF6CMBYAK4EAB7OIJVKQIHME/

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/national-mp-gerry-brownlee-in-wellington-car-crash/CHKCFSZQI64D4COAOIEHNPDAWA/
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October 24, 2022 8:27am
- Ghost
  
  How is it buried, it says in the second paragraph she is labour. Just comes down to how different journalists write an article.
  
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  October 24, 2022 8:37am
  - Im Right
    
    You are aware what a ‘headline’ is Ghost…eh!….no?
    
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    October 24, 2022 8:42am
    - Ghost
      
      It’s not hidden who the party she belongs to, just people wanting to make more than it is, second paragraph it states she is labour. People trying to make something out of nothing, as usual here. It’s not hidden unless you are stupid
      
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      October 24, 2022 8:53am
      - leoj
        
        You still don’t get it.
        One link mentions Brownlee as National, the other link does not mention Labour.
        Affiliation was buried outside the link.
        Can’t you see that, or are you simply being obtuse?
        
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        October 24, 2022 2:05pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Could you explain why one MP has the Party Affiliation in the headline, linking party to the act, while the other does not mention party affiliation in the headline, making the party only a sideline 2 paragraphs in??
        
        check the opening paragraphs in each article.
        
        1. “South Canterbury MP Jo Luxton has admitted causing a three-car crash on a state highway in her electorate.”
        
        2. “National MP Gerry Brownlee says he is thankful no-one was injured after he was in a minor car crash in Wellington.”
        
        So my question to you is, what has caused the difference in emphasis on Party affiliation?
        
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        October 24, 2022 3:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        The brownlee article would have been written by a different person than the Jo article which the herald has written after reading stuffs Timaru herald article which changed several times throughout the morning as the timaru herald added to it. It was the timaru herald that rightfully was calling her south Canterbury mp. Herald just copied what timaru was reporting
        
        Here is newstalkzb version of the herald article that clearly mentions the comments from stuff, that herald latter removed to look like they had done the work https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/south-canterbury-mp-jo-luxton-admits-causing-three-car-crash-in-timaru/
        
        But here’s that thing who cares, you are all just making a mountain out of nothing
        
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        October 24, 2022 3:35pm
    - MCōs
      
      Look up ‘paranoid’ in your dictionary.
      
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      October 24, 2022 11:09am
  - Clyde
    
    The headline is written by a sub editor who is nearer by far the political stance which the MSM is required to adopt by the MSM bribe money. The headline is what people read before deciding whether to continue reading the story and it is also a sublimimal message to the reader.
    
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    October 24, 2022 8:42am
    - Ghost
      
      And neither was labour mentioned in the headline of either of the timaru herald articles. Seriously you people just make mountains out of nothing
      
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      October 24, 2022 8:54am
      - double d
        
        You refer to “you people”. Who exactly do you refer to? Odd comment.
        People who read Kiwiblog have very diverse opinions.
        
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        October 24, 2022 9:32am
      - Paulus
        
        BOP Times now from today has the Herald Logo and much is copied from them again.
        
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        October 24, 2022 10:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    It all comes down to the political leanings of the Chief Sub-Editor and in this case the Paper’s compliance with the dictates of the Money-for-Influence programme being paid for by this Govt.
    
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    October 24, 2022 9:23am
- MCōs
  
  More to the point they’re both Canterbury types.
  They’re all crazy on the road down there.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:44am
Tomtoddy

Here is an interesting story. https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/green-dream-pushes-farmers-into-red/ar-AA13hYws?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5ffee1dfd19d422bb56e2136de8731d8

It tells of a very honest and accountable couple who rushed into regenerative farming and watched things go sadly wrong. We have greenies, politicians, armchair experts, anti-meat idiots, climate change cranks demanding NZ adopt regenerative farming across the board. “Cut back the cows”, “grow crops”, “stop polluting” etc.

Reality is we are all ready treating our land, soils, farms carefully and sustainably and diving into some ill-considered venture because it has worked somewhere else in the world is a nonsense.

NZ farming is doing well by its resources and is contributing massively to local communities and the nation. It does not need non-farming types trying to tell them what to do.
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October 24, 2022 8:40am
- Ruahine
  
  Yes. A while back it was all about farming organically. How ever when most of that fell over because one incomes drops like a stone a new word had to be thought up for the Media. It is all over ‘Country Calendar’ now. It is the magic word of sustainability. Farming for the most part has been sustainable for centuries.
  
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  October 24, 2022 8:57am
  - Ehlana
    
    If farming was not sustainable, it would presumably have run out of resources by now. Being as how humans have been farming for millenia.
    
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    October 24, 2022 9:14am
  - kowtow
    
    CC is very woke .
    
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    October 24, 2022 9:14am
  - I remember when
    
    Ruahine:
    It’s all about ‘regenerative’ farming.
    The Greens are all over it like a rash, despite the fact that many agricultural scientists say that more research is required.
    Still nothing will make you an ‘expert’ more quickly than biking through farmland on your E-bike.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:26am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      It’s not a long journey from ‘expert’ to activist
      
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      October 24, 2022 11:00am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Easily made via e-moped
        
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        October 24, 2022 2:43pm
  - Bob
    
    Even the dullest FARMER knows far more about environmental sustainability, than do any of the MUPPETS in this so called government and the associated environment authorities!
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:16pm
- Taieri
  
  The way things are going the hungry gap will be something no longer consigned to the history.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Anything connected to the toxic Greens should be ignored. They are all mad.
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:08am
Brian McDonald

Kiwis were the only contingent to obtain their objective on the first day. Several days later the unused Maori Battalion won a defining battle. With NZ troops exhausted in what must have been a very difficult decision for some in the British Army, even distasteful, put the NZ Commanders in charge and the rest is history.
When those men who fought beside one another came home they couldn’t have a beer together in the pub if any were non-European. At the beginning of that century, Maori had the lowest rate of imprisonment by the end of it the highest. Those Commanders should have been left in charge.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pivotal-moment-80-years-since-new-zealand-s-finest-hour-of-world-war-ii-the-second-battle-of-el-alamein/ar-AA13hpcp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=d3794effacfd4721974009c98c9d32bf
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October 24, 2022 8:42am
- LB
  
  The only historical incident of non-european ww2 servicemen being barred from drinking in a pub was by some americans towards maori servicemen in 1943 in Wellington, which resulted in their fellow kiwis having a brawl with the americans, strange that pakeha would take offence at segregation by americans if they were practising it themselves? https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/riots/page-7
  
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  October 24, 2022 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wow, that is a decent punchup. 1000 US and Kiwis against some Moaris. 4 hours, wow!
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:12am
    - Don Beckett
      
      How do you say that the Kiwis were against some Maoris? I would think the Kiwis would have been with the Maoris against the Americans – racial discrimination was very alive & well in the southern staes of the USA at that time, right up into the mid 1960’s.
      
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      October 24, 2022 11:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I took it as the NZ Servicemen joined the Americans.
        After re reading the link, it is not that clear.
        Waipero was around, so who knows?
        
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        October 24, 2022 11:45am
      - Jack5
        
        Brian McDonald: …. Several days later the unused Maori Battalion won a defining battle.
        
        The report on which he bases the statement:
        
        ” … As the battle ground to a halt in the following days, the unused Maori battalion was thrown into the frame which helped secure a vital ridge that turned the tide.”
        
        An example of gilding the lily.
        
        In this thread some talk about alleged US marine discrimination against Maori (marines trained near Wellington).
        
        While the Second Battle of Alamein was being fought, US marines and GI’s were in bitter fighting at Guadacanal, on the war path between Japan and NZ and Australia.
        
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        October 24, 2022 8:46pm
Tasman devil

I hate this Labour Government.

From top down they are useless show ponies.

All talk and no action.
But why do I hate them?

Because my fellow New Zealanders are dying early because of their lack of care.
The biggest tool is Michael Wood who won’t do what’s necessary to get nurses in here.

He repeatedly gets told we are 21,000 nurses short and he won’t give overseas nurses immediate residency like other countries do.

We have had 12 move here since July.

He was told that immediate residency would be a big driver of getting nurses here.

As per usual his response was if we get the settings wrong we will look at it!

What a fool.

Does he care about the lives lost due to the neglect patients suffered in ED at Middlemore and Christchurch Hospitals?

An inquiry is underway.
How bloody predictable.
How bloody shallow when we know that the course is lack of staff.

In 2017 under a National Government 90 per cent of the public got seen in ED within the standard set if 6 hours.

As of yesterday not one ED room complied with that standard.

There are other Ministers as culpable but nothing will change until these tossers have to get proper jobs after next year’s election.

Until then we will be daily be subjected to the smugness of Michael Wood, his endless selection of red ties and his faux confidence as he kills more of us by his negligence.
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October 24, 2022 8:44am
- kevn
  
  @Tasman.. Hear hear. You can add do-little as a useless Health Minister.
  Talk to any front-line nurses about either of those two, dare anyone.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:12am
  - Nickc2
    
    I hate this Govt too and the way I see this problem is three fold;
    
    1. We have a shortage of nurses,
    2. The Govt wants fewer immigrants, and
    3. There’s insufficient money to pay the nurses we have.
    
    All three are of the Govt’s making.
    
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    October 24, 2022 9:43am
    - Don Beckett
      
      4. this Government has a shortage of brain power – they are all as dumb as a sack of hammers.
      
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      October 24, 2022 11:02am
    - ISeeRed
      
      The majority want fewer immigrants. We have too many, doing jobs Kiwis should be doing. We need massive welfare and taxation reform. We need reinvigorated employment strategies and retraining policies. We need to reprioritise tertiary education and stop funding useless degrees. Get the whole country working, contributing, participating in society again, not “Oh we can get an immigrant for that!” We need to restore the social contract that priorities the wellbeing and prosperity of New Zealanders first.
      
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      October 24, 2022 12:11pm
      - artemisia
        
        Those jobs ‘kiwis should be doing’. First find an employer willing to employ them. So many job vacancies out there easy enough for applicants to find a job provided they are functionally a bit literate or otherwise work ready.
        
        If employers don’t want them …
        
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        October 24, 2022 12:51pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        artemisia, that would fall under welfare reform and retraining. If there’s no incentive or compunction to work, people will stay on welfare. If there’s no training or retraining available, people won’t be work-ready. Lots of sticks and carrots involved.
        
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        October 24, 2022 2:20pm
- Paulus
  
  But Wood is appearing to be the heir elect after Ardern as backed by the Piper – the Unions – he is an ex Union man remember.
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:07am
  - Bob
    
    His only qualification is ‘measuring the inside leg’
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You will hate them even more when Jaspinda censors your free speech.
  Watch here UN speech. Weapons of War? Sinister, as Neil Oliver said.
  Jaspinda is showing her true colours. Some of us knew way back in 2009 when she gave a ‘Comrades’ speech in Hungary (see Youtube)
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:17am
  - Alex
    
    Jacinda was the death knell for Boris, he resigned 6 days after he meet her, She has a way of sucking the Life out of people.
    Then Truss the Lettuce didn’t do much better she only lasted 33 days after meeting Our Dear Leader.
    33 is a sacred number in many religions coincidentally and the occult.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hopefully she will look in the mirror and say Hi
      
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      October 24, 2022 12:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      The first 3 letters of Liz’s surname are Tru , as are the first three of the Great Don’s .
      
      Put 3 and 3 beside each other and you get 33 !
      
      A sign I tell ya , a sign.
      
      BTW Liz T had the right ideas . Her mistake was in the execution.
      
      And as with Trump , the Blob would not tolerate her in power , so she had to be destroyed and they did it.
      
      The Wets in her own party , the BoE , the Media Pardy .
      
      Meanwhile they are now planning to try to manage power shortages there . In the country that invented the Industrial Revolution , something Bojo the Clown apologised to Cop for !
      
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      October 24, 2022 12:06pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        My surname is 4 letters – and don’t spell it backwards.
        Blog is 4 letters.
        So wtf is 44?
        I think I am waiting for the sign all of my life!
        First 3 letters = OTT. Over the top? Yeppers!
        
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        October 24, 2022 5:11pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Totally agree tassy – the only difference in replacing the dhbs with te fuck u Ora is that you have to put pronouns in brackets after your surname. Zero improvement in healthcare.
  
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  October 24, 2022 12:26pm
- Prince
  
  I take exception to your comment.
  The biggest tool in my opinion is Andrew Little. Yes it is a close race, but Little has destroyed any portfolio he has been assigned. And the winning edge is the continued use he makes of Pike River victims, whom he drags out and waves around every six months, to justify the publicity he buys by throwing cash down the damned mine.
  
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  October 24, 2022 4:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/why/
Why co-governance should be rejected.
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October 24, 2022 8:51am
- Ehlana
  
  It violates the principle of one person, one vote.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It sure does, yet some are just accepting it.
    Stand up to this apartheid!
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:20am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/amy-brooke-on-reclaiming-new-zealand/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Amy-brooke.pdf
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October 24, 2022 8:54am
mandk

If you haven’t been watching the Babylon Bee series “Californians move to Texas”, give yourself a holiday treat and find it on YouTube.

It is pure comic genius.
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October 24, 2022 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Great stuff.
  Texan ‘Very little crime here’
  Californians ‘Why?’
  Texan ‘We all have guns’ LOL!
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I like the way the Texan looks at the camera and tips his hat brim up.
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Episode 3, Ted Cruz appears
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:58am
Scooter

Something I don’t understand and have not seen covered in the Malachi Subecz murder case is why the mother was sent to jail especially having a young child to look after. Surely any case worthy of home detention (unless for very serious crime) would be for a mother with a young child. It seems unbelievable that a rapist can get home d yet this person whatever her crime didn’t. Why isn’t the judge called out on this.
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October 24, 2022 9:19am
- Ghost
  
  Judge has nothing to be called out on. Woman broke the law, she got sentenced to jail, she recommended her friend look after her child.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:25am
  - Scooter
    
    Like a ghost why don’t you disappear with your stupid comments, the rapist broke the law yet got home d.
    
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    October 24, 2022 9:34am
    - Ghost
      
      Your comment makes it sound like you are attacking the judge for sentencing the mother to jail, not the judge who sentenced Jayden.
      
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      October 24, 2022 9:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We haven’t been told what crime(s) she and her co-offender committed.
  Jan Logie (Green Party) revealed in the Urgent debate on Malachi’s killing that his mother’s house contained “drug paraphenalia”.
  
  The first failure and event in this chain was that Malachi’s mum was arrested and, despite drug paraphernalia being present in the house when she was arrested, Malachi was left at the house with people not even really known to him.
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/mi/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20221019_20221019_24
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:55am
  - kowtow
    
    Green party suddenly realises drugs are bad ?
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:11am
    - pdm
      
      kowtow.
      
      Hasn’t stopped Chloe droning on about decriminalisation.
      
      Perhaps they don’t talk to each other.
      
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      October 24, 2022 11:58am
kowtow

Today’s Herald’s editorial is about Uk’s political meltdown and is in favour of a snap general election there ( but conceeding there won’t be one) on the basis of , ;

‘But there comes a point when democracy itself looks streched and vulnerable if major changes keep occurring while the voters’ input is ignored.’

By that token they should be calling for a snap GE here ( and reining in their cartoonists’ constant attacks on the Opp , yes another today) .

Major changes that were never put to the electorate .

3 waters and other race constitutional issues comes to mind , any others ?
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October 24, 2022 9:23am
- MCōs
  
  There won’t be an election in either country unless the government loses the confidence of parliament and in both the UK and NZ an early election would be suicide to governments that currently have substantial margins.
  In the UK the the Tories would be absolutely hammered so why would they throw it all away?
  Here there’s no need at all.
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No snap Election in NZ. I want to see the Jaspinds’a meltdown on Election eve.
    Delicious.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:40am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      If she knows she is going to be beaten she will bail out around Easter time 2023. I could be wrong of course 🙂
      
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      October 24, 2022 10:54am
      - MCōs
        
        The only person who did that that I recall was John Key.
        
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        October 24, 2022 11:04am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Keith Holyoke
        
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        October 24, 2022 2:47pm
Lee C

Like ‘War of the Worlds’ ‘Yet slowly, they built their plans against us:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/travel/news/law-requiring-passengers-be-provided-with-biosecurity-info-passed/ar-AA139U3A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3380ca0c5a724729bd6ea132116042e0
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October 24, 2022 9:24am
I remember when

Went to the ‘Foxton Fling’ yesterday which seemed to confirm several points.
Firstly, that the wearing of masks, unless something changes, is a thing of the past.
Secondly, it appears that the number of hip and knee replacements at present is a molehill compared to what will be needed in the future.
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October 24, 2022 9:37am
- MCōs
  
  If/when the Nats take over I’m guessing hip and knee replacement operations will no longer be a free entitlement for everyone.
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:17am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    On what basis do you make this guess? Any statements made by National MPs, included on their website?
    
    Or is this yet another case of the circular logic that passes for political debate these days.
    
    National are evil, therefore they are going to charge for hip replacements. National are going to charge for hip replacements, therefore they are evil.
    
    X is a liar, therefore when X says Y, that proves that Y is not true. Y is not true, therefore when X says Y, that proves that X is a liar.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:28am
    - MCōs
      
      I’m not saying it’s evil at all.
      However.
      Everyone knows the country is stretched to provide the standard of healthcare we’ve become used to and it makes sense for resources to be directed towards life saving rather than quality of life.
      I paid for my own hip replacement, so did my cousin. It didn’t break the bank for us. Same as a good second hand car at the time.
      Other people without the resources could get government funding.
      
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      October 24, 2022 10:58am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You really have some silly ideas.
        There are plenty of other areas where costs could be reduced and money directed to health.
        Under National I got a hip in 2 months.
        Its more like over a year now.
        Did you know Alkd Health wont contract out Hip operations to the private sector yet other Boards do?
        Why is that?
        
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        October 24, 2022 12:29pm
      - MCōs
        
        Who’d have thought we’d have to be paying for essential dental work, which can be extremely expensive, rare life saving/extending cancer medication, ambulances and other far less essential stuff is free or heavily subsidized.
        I wonder how many millions of paracetamol are prescribed by doctors when it’s only for headaches?
        
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        October 24, 2022 2:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nats will have X years of Labour bad management to clean up first.
    There are many waiting for surgery, some are even dying. Labour don’t mind if old people die, they are a burden. (Superannuation)
    I think your guess is wrong, but yes, the whole Health Sector need overhauling. Far too much Admin sucking up the funds.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:50am
- Inandout
  
  Irw, who the hell wears masks now except the permanently terrorised, mostly oldies?
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Labour voters virtue signaling. It is their trademark.
    
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    October 24, 2022 10:51am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Poor Asian students hiding to avoid nasties………….
      
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      October 24, 2022 1:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MYSTERY OF THE CENTURY —WHO THE HELL IS HE?

His 8 years of living in the White House is over. He’s (mostly) gone … but questions remain. This came from a union guy in Chicago who didn’t vote for Obama.

It will be interesting to see what they put in his “Library” about his early years now that he is out of office. In a country where we take notice of many facets of our public figures’ lives, doesn’t it seem odd that there’s so little we know about Barack Obama?

As Americans, we enjoy knowing details about our news makers, but none of us know one single humanizing fact about the history of our own ex-president. We are all aware of the lack of incontestable birth records for Obama; that “document managing“ has been spectacularly successful. There are, however, several additional oddities in Obama’s history that appear to be as well managed as the birthing issue.

One other interesting thing…There are no birth certificates of his daughters that can be found.

It’s interesting that no one who ever dated him has shown up. The charisma that caused women to be drawn to him so strongly during his campaign, certainly would in the normal a course of events, lead some lady to come forward, if only to garner some attention for herself.

We all know about JFK’s magnetism, that McCain was no monk and quite a few details about Palin’s courtship and even her athletic prowess, Joe Biden’s aneurysms are no secret; look at Cheney and Clinton, we all know about their heart problems. Certainly, Wild Bill Clinton’s exploits before and during his White House years were well known. That’s why it’s so odd that not one lady has stepped up and said, “He was so shy…” or “What a great dancer.”

It’s virtually impossible to know anything about this fellow. Who was best man at his wedding? Start there, then check groomsmen.

To get the footage of the graduation ceremony. Has anyone talked to the professors? It is odd that no one is bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him.

When did he meet Michelle, and how? Are there photos there? Every president gives to the public all their photos, etc. for their library, etc. What has he released? And who voted for him to be the most popular man in 2010? Doesn’t this make you wonder?

Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from Obama’s past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc? Not one person has ever come forward from his past. It certainly is very, very strange.

This should be a cause for great concern. To those who voted for him, you may have elected an unqualified, inexperienced shadow man. Have you seen a movie named “The Manchurian Candidate”?

As insignificant as each of us might be, someone with whom we went to school will remember our name or face; someone will remember we were the clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or something about us.

George Stephanopoulos of ABC News said the same thing during the 2008 campaign. He questions why no one has acknowledged he was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos also was a classmate of Obama at Columbia–the class of 1984. He says he never had a single class with him.

He is such a great orator; why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s college class remember him? Why won’t he allow Columbia to release his records? Nobody remembers Obama at Columbia University. Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.

Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia, ever.”

Nobody recalls him. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, Class of ’83 Political Science, and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack!

And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, ‘the macha’ who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him.”

Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbooks and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.

Some other interesting questions:

1.Why was Obama’s law license inactivated in 2002? It is said there is no record of him ever taking the Bar exam.

2.Why was Michelle’s law license inactivated by court order? We understand that it was forced to avoid fraud

3 How did he receive aid as a foreign exchange student if he’s actually an American citizen?

It is circulating that according to the U.S Census, there is only one Barack Obama but 27 Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases are connected to him.

The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where he is reported to have never lived. And was originally registered to another man (Thomas Louis Wood) from Connecticut, who died in Hawaii while on vacation there.

As we all know Social Security Numbers are only issued ‘once, they are not reused. No wonder all his records are sealed…

Please continue sending this out. Somewhere, someone has to know SOMETHING, before he reorganized Chicago. SOMETHING! He just seemed to burst upon the scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention. ANYONE? ANYWHERE? ANYTHING?

I think soon much is going to come to light about this highly unqualified person who was President of the United States for 8 years. Soon, we will know how badly we were all doped and duped by this impostor who has basically, with much help from his minions, almost brought the greatest nation in history to its knees in ruins. That will be his legacy.

He totally destroyed the Integrity, morals and Christian heritage of our once great country.

But WHO THE HECK IS HE?
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October 24, 2022 9:40am
- MCōs
  
  Don’t worry about it.
  
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  October 24, 2022 9:58am
  - leoj
    
    If the US and the world were duped, it is a worry.
    
    Your response is a worry.
    
    If he was a Republican, you would be worried.
    
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    October 24, 2022 2:19pm
- blue collar
  
  A groomed orphan with a pile of dead bodies holding the truth . Most likely the product of a black ops Manchurian candidate trial and deep state identity creation .
  Rolled out when the timing was right , those in the know holding much higher security clearances than any temporary president .
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:05am
- Ian Boag
  
  a union guy in Chicago
  
  Impeccable source. Wonder why the info wasn’t on gatewaypundit …..
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe the union guy is anonymous because he wants to stay alive?
    Ever heard of Killary? 60 something personal friends suicided?
    
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    October 24, 2022 11:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oranga Tamariki will be staffed with folks who have BA degrees; LLB. degrees and B.Communications degrees, but still they couldn’t understand an OIA request from a Radio NZ Journalist.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/477238/oranga-tamariki-apologises-after-failing-to-engage-properly-on-oia-request

Only a few weeks ago, we learnt that OT spent months fending off providing information to the Chief Ombudsman about their lack of action over the Malachi Subecz killing.

https://www.ombudsman.parliament.nz/sites/default/files/2022-10/Chief%20Ombudsman%27s%20opinion%20under%20the%20Ombudsmen%20Act_0.pdf

You really have to wonder what the staff in OT head office do all day.
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October 24, 2022 9:44am
- JimBobJoe
  
  If we could convert their mental and verbal gyrations into kinetic energy to drive a turbine and generator I suspect that there would be a world wide surplus of energy…
  
  To much political correctness, too much bs theories and not enough legwork checking on children in care…
  
  OT is a failed Ministry akin to the level of state failure seen in places like Somalia
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:10am
- NothingLeft
  
  Maori wonderfulness. Lots of wiata and Te Reo invocations at start and end of all meetings memos and interactions, hui, cultural training, dealing with and funding various wonderful Maori groups and Maori initiatives as they do their wonderful things.
  
  It’s darkly ironic that this culture they are all required to devote so much focus to is so massively over-represented in child abuse figures. Maori culture is at the core of the problem with it’s tolerance of crappy parenting, living off welfare and criminality – with the inevitable harvest of dead and abused children that produces, and the abuse stats have gotten worse as even as re-growing Maori Culture has become such a focus of govt.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:06am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Increasingly, Maori seems a superficial, shallow culture. It seems all about keeping up appearances and making a spectacle, face saving and status protecting, literally making a song and dance about everything. Actually effecting meaningful change or achieving anything useful? Nope. Unless it’s pressing the White Guilt Button repeatedly for more taxpayer koha.
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:19pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      In US political terms, its “a Grift”, a means for connected Maori and their associates to extract money from taxpayers, nothing more. Creating an expensive rentier nouveau-aristocracy of non-contributing parasites. Its effect on NZ’s future prosperity and standards of living is predictably entirely negative.
      
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      October 24, 2022 1:35pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        You’re right about connected Maori. I walked past a marae today. Lots of “ordinary” overweight Maoris swearing like drunk sailors and kids acting out. These Maoris aren’t benefiting from grift, “full and final” settlements, or anything else. Just brainwashed into hating whitey, blaming colonialism and acting staunch. No self-accountability or genuine empowerment. It’s sad.
        
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        October 24, 2022 2:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The OT staff do the same as all of the Public Sector.
  They eat their lunch, and collect a payslip.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:11am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW-
  As commented the other day, I heard the CEO of OT, Mr Te Kani, interviewed on radio by Heather DPA on this case.
  He basically just refused to answer her repeated questions.
  It was an embarrassment that a person in his position couldn’t or wouldn’t answer.
  He will be on big money. Where is the accountability? Is there any integrity left at OT?
  Mr Te Kani was clear in one thing though – that was his absolute determination to protect “my staff” at all costs.
  The children being murdered? Not so much.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:55am
rouppe

Here’s we go again

Mashed potato this time.

And security, again, does nothing
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October 24, 2022 9:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They really are quite mad. Here in NZ the toxic Greens want a Primary Industry cut 20% because of cow farts.
  Btw, iod you see my comment about protesters throwing paint at a Jason Polack Work? Nobody noticed.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Btw, did*
    
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    October 24, 2022 11:16am
  - rouppe
    
    I did, but assumed it was more of the same as well.
    
    I’d love to come across one of these pillocks with their hand glued to a wall or road and rip it right off
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:53pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I feel it would appropriate to throw tomato soup at them…..in an unopened can of course.
      
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      October 24, 2022 10:33pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Steve O: re Jason Pollock. Yes .. I laughed!! Well done.
    
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    October 25, 2022 9:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  First soup, now mashed potato.
  
  Well on their way to a three course meal.
  
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  October 24, 2022 2:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It doesn’t look like there will be a rosy future for Trades Training and our Polytechs next year.

Great idea to announce the bad news on a Friday afternoon before a long weekend and with the PM absent from Parliament.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2210/S00168/job-losses-coming-as-te-pukenga-fights-deficit.htm
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October 24, 2022 10:16am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Disclosure: I was invited to be considered for membership on a taskforce to form the new mega polytech. I politely declined 🙂
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:56am
  - rouppe
    
    Why? You can object to all the whacky ideas, promote trades training over basket weaving, and when it comes down to it, resign with a public announcement that it’s going to be a cluster and you don’t want to be associated with it.
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  PM absent from Parliament? Really?
  Wonder of someone could make a graph showing when Jaspinda is in the house v when she should be there.
  Off to Antarctica with the us tomorrow. Gonna talk to penguins about Climate Change.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:21am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Maybe have a bobsleigh on the Doomsday Glacier.
    Climate change terminology and all //
    
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    October 24, 2022 1:21pm
- C-Town
  
  It was also a great idea of the Government to give this (and other departments a Te Reo name). Because I can’t understand the language, I don’t know remember who they all are unless they’re translated.
  
  If I had have seen this headline in a newspaper or a website, I would have assumed it was some Maori organisation and therefore it didn’t involve me so I wouldn’t have looked at it. Its a good way for the government and their departments to avoid attention and scrutiny.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:46am
Warren

Just a question on Antarctica and Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister will the First Man have the privilege of joining his partner on this trip at the expense of the taxpayer and if so why.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-to-visit-antarctica-this-week/RHLKOA2LFBDRPAZEPWPEWVOUE4/
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October 24, 2022 10:16am
- Ghost
  
  You mean like when Bronagh travelled with John to Antartica?
  
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  October 24, 2022 10:28am
  - Nickc2
    
    John Key earned the right to take his wife anywhere he chose. This PM, hasn’t earned the right and she’s not married to her handbag 1st Man.
    
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    October 24, 2022 12:22pm
  - rouppe
    
    I recall this question coming up once or twice, and I believe John Key personally paid any extra costs associated with Bronagh accompanying him.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/key-says-travel-perks-up-to-mps/IRZRSRU54SGCUWWJPMGUA45RLU/
    
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    October 24, 2022 1:00pm
    - Ghost
      
      Our Prime Minister’s partners travel with them, just as Joan travelled with Jim Bolger to the South Pole. There was a vileness that existed in the left when John was Prime Minister that we see now in the right trying to hold Jacinda to different standards than other prime ministers.
      
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      October 24, 2022 1:20pm
      - rouppe
        
        That would be a reasonable comment if one could more or less hold equally John Key’s and Jacinda Ardern’s tenures as prime minister.
        
        Jacinda and the Labour Party are held in utter contempt because she has presided over, caused, or failed to halt: the near collapse of the health system; the near collapse of our education system; the introduction of naked racism into legislation; authoritarianism in the covid response; an utter farce of miq; attacking our primary industries despite them being among the most efficient already; increasing child abuse figures; increasing crime of an increasingly brazen nature.
        
        What has she had to deal with? Covid. That’s all. The mosque shootings, while a nationally significant event, wasn’t economically or socially significant. Tarrant was an Australian outlier. White island, while tragic for those involved, again required little from government.
        You can probably add a world wide inflation problem, but nz’s inflation problem is of her and Robertson making, because they threw out a considered pandemic plan and made something up on a napkin which caused the massive, largely unnecessary spending.
        
        John key dealt with the GFC, which was an economic problem not of our making, and the earthquakes, which leveled a city. Given those pressure, maintaining services and standards of living was a pretty impressive achievement.
        
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        October 24, 2022 3:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah she has, but surely you can see the vileness that does not belong there, like above making it personal and attacking her for not being married and having a hand bag carrying partner?
        
        Attack a prime minister for what they do. Not her partner nor her kid, or the trips her partner goes on like every other partner before him has, because then the right is just as bad as they claimed the left were under Key.
        
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        October 24, 2022 3:42pm
Paulus

Back to China – having been to China a number of times in recent years I am unsure how the youth that I have seen and spoken to will tolerate the repression that is evolving. They have seen forms of freedom via communications with other places.
Walk along Nanking Road in Shanghai any weekend and see the future of China.
Well dressed, sparkling, very savvy in all respects.
We would be stopped and asked to talk to then in English.
Can this enthusiasm for learning in the big Cities be stamped out. Girls hold boys hands and affection is apparent.
Wish that enthusiasm was here.
Am not sure about China though without massive repression of the young !
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October 24, 2022 10:17am
- NothingLeft
  
  They have no choice. Revolution is impossible in a technological totalitarian state, moreso when the population is kept unarmed and all communications are monitored by AI enabled Stasi. The only thing you can do is leave (if you are allowed to)
  
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  October 24, 2022 1:38pm
- Biscuit
  
  I agree, Paulus…
  From my China Diaries in 2014:
  
  Cute story time. We had a Western-style meal in our hotel here tonight. I was somewhat startled by the other customers. Not a foreigner amongst them. Most were upscale Chinese parents teaching their kids how to use knives and forks and how to eat Western food.
  ‘Ah, ah,’ tutted a father to his young (8? 9?) son. ‘Only use English words.’
  ‘Do I have to eat this?’ the boy pleaded, in perfect English.
  
  We need to be stressing to New Zealanders that if we have to teach our kids a second language the way to go is Mandarin Chinese and definitely not Te Reo…
  
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  October 24, 2022 2:55pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  The young people stopping foreigners on Shanghai’s Nanjing road to ‘practice English’ are invariably scam artists trying to lure clueless visitors into some back room to enjoy an ‘art exhibition’ or ‘tea ceremony’. Their mark eventually gets presented with a massive bill. Any hesitation in paying up and they get the shit kicked out of them.
  
  You’re right about threatening gullible foreigners with violence being China’s future direction.
  
  You’re wrong about young Chinese having much desire for change. China’s young and educated are also its most thoroughly brainwashed.
  
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  October 24, 2022 5:07pm
MCōs

Interlude
https://twitter.com/mrt4000/status/1583586401571905537?s=61&t=pR7Gmn9qUHSxfM7S9v_bKg
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October 24, 2022 10:38am
krazykiwi

114 medical professionals in Russia who ‘died suddenly’ after Covid ‘vaccination’. Long read. Every fatality is documented. Lots of young people. But remember, Safe and Effective™ /s
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October 24, 2022 10:47am
Alex

Let’s face it the Russians have lost in Ukraine and are doing what the Nazis did in Second World War and bombing infrastructure before they leave.
Officers pulled out in Kherson only leaving conscripts to fight and die.
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October 24, 2022 10:48am
- kowtow
  
  Sadly this war could have a long way to run yet.
  
  Yes the Ivans are clearly abandoning the west bank there but unless the UKs have something up there sleeves I suspect the conflict will settle on those gains to date , pending heating up with suitable weather conditions.
  
  To win ultimately surely Putin must be dethroned ?
  Did you see the footage of the recruits in the east lambasting their call up . It’s on the Daily Mail.
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:36am
  - Nickc2
    
    I think you’re right!
    
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    October 24, 2022 11:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bombing infrastructure is what dopey Biden should have done in Afghanistan
  
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  October 24, 2022 12:17pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Suggest you limit your reading of western “”news””
  
  You might find this view interesting.
  or of course you could call them Russian Shills if your beliefs are akin to religeous zeal
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e0KVwd73k
  
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  October 24, 2022 3:01pm
Piticus

I was a school bus monitor in the 1960’s so I’m going to apply for a ‘Plain language officer’ job when the Plain language Bill before Parliament becomes law. Rachel Boyack presented this idiotic piece of legislation as a members bill. Guess all it will really do is further increase the number of Public servants we have. Hey I would suggest Rachel and her ilk start applying for jobs soon as this useless waste of parliaments time is yet another reason why they will be turfed out next year !
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October 24, 2022 11:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Public Sector needs a serious culling, like 6000?
  
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  October 24, 2022 11:34am
jedmo

BFD under attack? Website appears to be down atm. With Kiwiblog, they are at the forefront of providing balanced reporting and opinion in NZ.
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October 24, 2022 12:09pm
- Ghost
  
  Looks more like an issue with the website
  
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  October 24, 2022 12:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Working for me
  
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  October 24, 2022 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

President’s security. 26 min.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO3rCwIJPio&t=986s
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October 24, 2022 1:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was very interesting. Lots of things I did not know.
  They never mentioned the ‘nuclear footballs’ on purpose I think.
  
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  October 24, 2022 2:06pm
Steve Todd

Wellington “community reporter”, Felicity Wong, has posted a good review of the local elections in Wellington City. For those who might be interested, it’s an informative read.

See https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=148310#more-148310.
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October 24, 2022 2:00pm
Takere

Inland Revenue targets multinationals re overpaid wage subsidy, the Asia Initiative & more on Frucor.
Inland Revenue had collected $33 million from multinational firms as part of a campaign to keep COVID-19 wage subsidy payments in New Zealand.

During 2020 a total of 376 multinationals (those with annual turnover in excess of $30 million) received a total of $830 million in wage subsidies.”

So what are they gunna do about rest of the $797m?
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October 24, 2022 2:05pm
- alloytoo
  
  I thought MBIE was responsible for this?
  
  The subsidy was supposed to tax neutral for companies as long as it was paid to the person on behalf it was claimed for.
  
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  October 25, 2022 7:50am
Ghost

Police have arrested two women in relation to a theft of over $1000 worth of groceries from the Greenlane Countdown on Saturday.

A group of three fled the Greenlane supermarket shortly before their getaway vehicle broke down on the Southern Motorway, blocking a centre lane.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/long-weekend-looters-two-arrested-in-relation-to-1000-countdown-theft/ZS74T4BNTZIQNXM5EPCNQMDXTA/
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October 24, 2022 2:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bill Clinton’s Sock Drawer May Just Help Trump…This Is Too Good!
https://redrightdaily.com/bill-clintons-sock-drawer-may-just-help-trump-this-is-too-good/
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October 24, 2022 2:40pm
- virtualmark
  
  Nope.
  
  The “Clinton sock drawer” is this:
  – Clinton’s biographer taped his interviews with Clinton,
  – Clinton later kept those interview tapes, maybe in his sock drawer (that’s actually not clear)
  – Judicial Watch sued to have those tapes considered Presidential records under the PRA (so they could then be sought under the Freedom of Information Act)
  – The Courts threw out Judicial Watch’s suit … as in it didn’t even get heard in Court, it got thrown out.
  
  So “Clinton kept Presidential records in his sock drawer, after leaving the Presidency” is a MAGA reality distortion.
  
  But MAGA is all about keeping the rubes outraged with fact-free mistruths.
  
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  October 24, 2022 3:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Eric Trump:
“My father finally got a subpoena from the Jan. 6 committee,” Eric Trump told a cheering crowd. “I told him … you have to go testify …. it will be the greatest entertainment. Who wants to pop a beer, make some popcorn and watch Donald Trump talk about election fraud in the United States of America?”
But Trump has told aides he might comply if he can testify on live TV, The New York Times reported earlier this month. Liz Cheney says that’s not going to happen. Did not know she is now a Judge. We know who is the circus Cheney.
Get your popcorn, Trump will tie the bastards in knots.
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/nancy-pelosi-says-trumps-not-235541207.html
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October 24, 2022 3:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So Red Right Daily is ‘Fake News’?
Bill with recordings, and Trump with declassified Documents.
You never take anything to do with work home? I did, I took my brain home. Some of my best fabricating designs came to me at 3am!
It all depends on which Judge you select and how much the carrot is.
Very similar to the NZ Media, right?
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October 24, 2022 3:26pm
- virtualmark
  
  The tapes of Bill Clinton talking to his biographer aren’t Presidential records, are Clinton’s own private property, and (natch) there’s no crime in him storing them wherever he likes.
  
  It seems clear many of the M-A-L documents *are* Presidential records, a good number are classified documents to do with US national security … which if true is clearly crime under the Presidential Records Act and the Espionage Act.
  
  So not apples and apples comparison. More like apples and broccoli.
  
  Do you ever wonder why your preferred media lies to you? Do you ever wonder why they’d rather you were angry than informed? Do you ever wonder why you fall for lies so readily?
  
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  October 24, 2022 3:51pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Dude, your lack of self awareness is epic.
    You have ‘fallen’ for a large list of lies.
    You would have to be the most gullible commentator here and some [Mod – no need for that]
    
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    December 25, 2021 7:39am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

A little bit of equal rights, where’s the lqbtqilmnop+ community on this ? disgraceful that this was allowed to happen. cant believe school board vote wasnt unanimous. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/district-forfeits-games-transgender-player
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October 24, 2022 4:51pm
Ghost

A 4-year-old boy died after being sent away from a Wellington hospital and then after a long wait at an emergency department at another, his parents have told media.

The child’s parents told Newshub on Monday that they wanted to know why their son was not assessed properly.

After turning up at Porirua’s Kenepuru Community Hospital and presenting the child, who was complaining of neck pain, doctors sent the child

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/130266841/4yearold-boy-died-after-long-wait-at-wellington-hospital-emergency-department-parents-say
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October 24, 2022 7:59pm
NZer In Exile

Remember the “Hockey Stick”?

One of the base cards in the climate alarmists’ house of cards.

This talk outlines quite nicely the “garbage in – garbage out” cherry picking employed by the alleged “top climate scientists” involved in this shonky propaganda.

Ross McKitrick on big problems with paleoclimate data and land temperature records:
https://rumble.com/v1ohbtz-30-ross-mckitrick-on-big-problems-with-paleoclimate-data-and-land-temperatu.html
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