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Yvette

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed that public consultation on co-governance with Māori will begin later in 2022
Her comments followed ACT leader David Seymour’s announcement last week that a referendum on Māori co-governance, which he likened to an “unequal society”, was a bottom line for any coalition negotiations in 2023.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

That was March 29 – 202 days ago

The campaign has just started for Peters. He’s energised, he’s optimistic and doggedly determined to stir up the race debate to make it an election issue.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/winston-peters-determined-to-stir-up-race-debate-as-election-campaign-kicks-off-in-christchurch.html

“… We are more sophisticated than that, surely, than to take such a simplistic view,” Ardern said. “Let’s discuss the issue rather than what I worry about is blatant politicisation.”

Yes, Jacinda. Well, for a matter so important, I thought you would have defined “co-governance by now, and expressed a Government position, just over 200 days on – but I see both David Seymour and Winston have started without you, filling the void you have given them.

This isn’t going to go the same way as Capital Gains Tax is it?
– please
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Defer no time, delays have dangerous ends – William Shakespeare, “Henry VI”
From the “canon of imperialism” for this who declareth “Shakespeare and colonisation are bedfellows” and“It would be a massive, awesome act of decolonisation if we discovered our own stories first and discovered Shakespeare afterwards,” – before it is too late
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October 17, 2022 8:04am
- Colville
  
  This isn’t going to go the same way as Capital Gains Tax is it?
  
  Oh I hope not.
  I want her and her buddies to cling to this policy as tho their lives depend on it.
  I think they will find that the policy they think of as a flotation device is infact a mill stone around their necks and they will sink so deep we will never see them again.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:21am
  - Unity
    
    Please, please be right Colville. I never ever want to see them again. Will we ever be able to put our once lovely little country right again or is the damage too great?!!
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:13am
  - Philview
    
    I don’t see how they can quickly dump it when so much has already been done. It seems 3 Waters is already operational with significant recruitment done. The Maori Health Authority is up and running and so on.
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:15am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Pffft – none of those things mean anything’s actually happening. Take Te Pukenga (please!) or the New Zealand Institute of Technology, as we English speakers call it.
      
      Hundreds of millions have been spent to no useful effect. 23 people with Chief Executive in their title, the actual CEO was on “administrative leave” for months, on full pay of course, and has since resigned. As has the CFO, his close colleague at various councils which they both left much worse than they found them.
      
      Enrolments are massively down on projections, they’re running out of money, people leaving in droves, internecine warfare, politics and empire-building for Africa.
      
      I’ve heard direct news about Te Whatu Ora that would make your hair curl, and if 3 Waters sees the light of day I’d be surprised. Everything this poo-finger government does turns to crap.
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:56pm
      - Keith White
        
        True – but the money they took off the rest of us still fattens their colonial-era white-supremacist-designed bank accounts. We still lose.
        
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        October 17, 2022 11:42pm
- Random T Person
  
  My 9 year old is working his way through Shakespeare now (only the youth versions, but still). His mind will develop as the colonialists intended.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:33am
  - Jack5
    
    Chris Trotter attacks the Arts Council for cancelling Shakespeare:
    
    https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2022/10/cancelling-shakespeare.html
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:30pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      At least a sensible denouncement, unlike the vacuous waffling of some useless lefty bint the day before.
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:57pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    There are comic versions of these and they come in original text or plain text
    
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    October 17, 2022 3:42pm
- Frank the tank
  
  This is her biggest challenge yet. In order to have half a chance next year Labour will have to drop co-governance, He Pua Pua and 3 waters.
  
  They do that and I suspect the Maori caucus walks and this also gifts the Maori Party all the Maori seats next election.
  
  My bet is she takes the easy option – defer, defer, defer and then resign citing family reasons.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:36am
  - pdm
    
    `…….then resign citing family reasons.
    
    Or citing a job in the UN where she can walk the streets of New York and very few people will heckle her.
    
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    October 17, 2022 8:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Tell her to keep away from Trump Tower.
      Someone inside may come out and give her her pedigree.
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:08am
    - septic skeptic
      
      She probably blew whatever slight chances she had of a job at the UN with her stupid attack on free speech last time she was there.
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:26pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Sadly for the world no. With that speech to the UN audience, she probably enhanced her chances. That is the perverse world we are living in today.
        
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        October 17, 2022 2:00pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Or some loony-left think tank.
      
      NZ like many countries should simply nod and smile at UN suggestions. Then give them the “thanks. but no thanks.” They are way past their use by date, full of extremist nutjobs, and have corrupt and extremely backward countries calling the shots.
      
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      October 17, 2022 8:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Māori caucus have given her the ultimatum, if you don’t toe our line we will split away
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:01am
  - yossarian
    
    Where will the Maori Caucus walk to? They are there on the back of Jacindas appeal that she had, the operative word being ‘had’.
    
    If Jacinda goes Willie, Davis, Mahuta en tal get nothing because Labour will be in the mid-20s
    
    This shows what a weak leader she is, she should of stared down the Labour Maori elites, they owe her everything.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:51pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Willie will be gone, the other two are Maori seats.
      
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      October 17, 2022 2:01pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They have said they will start their own party or go with MP , I think Labour will lose most Māori electorates if not all
      
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      October 17, 2022 11:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We will make an announcement about making an announcement later in 2022.
  Probably on Friday Dec 23rd.
  JA
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What? She goes on holiday early December, and doesn’t return till Feb
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      PTPM is on permanent holiday
      
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      October 17, 2022 2:12pm
- Jim
  
  Cogovernance is a sophisticated word for APARTHEID
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:25am
- Prince
  
  Consultation requires leadership, and she ain’t got it.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:54am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    And listening, and she won’t, and admitting when you’re wrong – which she can’t.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:59pm
- kowtow
  
  Peters , the charlatan .
  
  How many times did that odious little lawyer wield the balance of power and could have extracted any manner of real change that he always promised in opposition but never , ever delivered .
  
  Other than a bus pass or two. pfft.
  
  His followers must be some of the thickest voters in this country and given the level of support for Labour and the Greens that’s significant.
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:02am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Winston installed Cindy as PM. That error of judgement should never be forgiven. We got 6 years of incompetence, failure and corruption as a result.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:31pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      In defense of poor old Winni.
      Everybody can make a mistake.
      In believing Labour were the best option for his support.
      
      Its continuing the mistake that is the crux.
      
      His attacks on Labour will be ferocious if I read the tea leaves correctly.
      
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      October 17, 2022 2:28pm
  - cjn
    
    I think he is doing National and ACT a favour. He is saying things that people will understand but they won’t vote for him.
    
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    October 17, 2022 5:56pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Not to defend the Great Charlatan, but he did get Tauranga a much-needed second harbour bridge. The list of dignitaries and the “great and good” that were invited to the opening was extensive, but it was disgraceful that they omitted Peters out of sheer spite.
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:01pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Actually, this is manna from heaven for National, because NZ First and ACT are both advocating for a removal of Race Based policies, (Winston more rabidly so) they can ignore NZ First.
  
  Winston is going down the populist route again, but he’s only going for ground that ACT already has.
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is trying to suggest he will go right but we aren’t listening
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:04am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Winston Peters is capitalizing on the voters dislike of Labour to try to garner votes. If NZ First gains enough votes I suspect he will then turn around and cut a deal with Labour irrespective of what he’s now saying.
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:37am
    - peterwn
      
      Yes, Labour will offer him anything to retain power. What Winston wants is a ‘two scorpions in a bottle’ bidding way to force Labour to give him even more.
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:28pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      He will do as he always does, sell his support to the highest bidder. Winston first. Winston second. Shane third.
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:33pm
    - Paulus
      
      Labour will not have enough seats to bargain with anyway as Maori will have gone to Pati Maori, leaving her very dry, if she is still here, which I doubt – she could not take the coming humiliation.
      
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      October 17, 2022 1:34pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He will only take votes of Labour I am sure
      
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      October 18, 2022 12:00am
- rouppe
  
  It can’t go that way because the horse has already bolted with the mha, Māori wards and the Urewera national park
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:23pm
artemisia

Now that Mr Peters has thrown down the separatist gauntlet, lettuce see the Prime Minister Ms Ardern take up that challenge and tell the country precisely what she supports.
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October 17, 2022 8:10am
- Harry Knuts
  
  It’s highly likely you won’t get a straight nor coherent answer from Cindy. Ask Willie, Mahuta or Special K – they will give you a more direct answer.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:14am
  - Colville
    
    Willie will only deign to answer you if you are a special kind of brown tho.
    
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    October 17, 2022 8:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Need a translator.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:10am
- Alex
  
  The Russkies seem to have it in for our co-governance champion Mahuta calling her a prisoner because of her face tattoo (moki).
  Prigozhin should know he had a ten year spell n Prison himself for strangling a young woman and taking her leather boots and earrings, according to the Telegraph.
  He recruited prisoners for Putin’s army. Thieves among thieves!
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:16am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Heh. Seems he also thought Mahuta was a man, according to RNZ.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/476702/russian-oligarch-targets-nanaia-mahuta-for-racist-homophobic-attack
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:40am
    - Ghost
      
      I thought that story was lame, oh no he called her a cock or a rooster, depending on translation, big deal, a cock would be far less than what many in New Zealand call her
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Cock Womble is the language of the greens 😃
        
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        October 17, 2022 11:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Good call by Yevgeny Prigozhin. “cock” is spot on
        
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        October 17, 2022 11:27am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Diplomacy isn’t Russia’s strong trait. Like it loathe it – it is what they are.
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        No word soup waffle in Russia?
        
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        October 17, 2022 11:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She says he is plain wrong, bwhahahaha, weak as cats piss as usual
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:07am
- Philview
  
  Per a headline this morning she has already said Peters is ‘plain wrong’. He is spreading misinformation it seems. The article didn’t get to the point on what Peters was wrong about.
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern supports Ardern full stop
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:24am
- leoj
  
  “Lettuce see the PM Ardern take up the challenge.”
  
  So very true – she talks in word salad.
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:08pm
  - Alwynn
    
    Is that the same lettuce as the one they are comparing the UK PM to?
    Which will last longer?
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:10pm
- Paulus
  
  You know who she supports, Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:34pm
- Nickc2
  
  She’s waiting for George Soros of the WEF to tell her that.
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:52pm
citychic

What a coincidence…..two weeks running when the questioning gets tough on TV breakfast shows suddenly the PMs ear piece “fails” and she can’t hear the question. Last week on TV1 and today on TV3.
Does she think we are so stupid that we can’t see through her evasion?
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October 17, 2022 8:14am
- Tricati
  
  She wasn’t happy when asked why children living in motels, camping grounds and in cars weren’t included in her stats that showed improvement in lifting kids out of poverty. Immediately through the statisticians under the bus by saying she would have to check how they collated the figures. She’s working overtime trying to say Labour have been better than National by lifting 140,000 kids out of poverty compared to National post the GFC – Getting desperate now, so National need to get thsi crap fact checked and come out swinging.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:26am
  - kowtow
    
    Has Campbell been out doing interviews in car parks yet ……..
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:05am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Just collecting the contact details in case he needs them after the election.
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:36pm
  - leoj
    
    Swinging?
    All they have for ammo is cotton wool balls.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:05pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Was there a change in the terms of reporting child poverty when Cindy took this over in 2017?
  Has this change in reporting worked in favour of Cindy and her reduction in child poverty by the reporting as on the ground in NZ it’s gotten worse.
  When food outlets and charities with food banks are now being raided, KidsCan reporting thousands more kids being fed in schools.
  Everyone knows child poverty in NZ is at an all-time high. The only one that refudes this is the Minister for child poverty herself. I would sum Cindy up as clueless or dishonest – which one is she?
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Both
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:13am
  - Tricati
    
    Yes there was a change in how reported and it was in Labour’s favour. Unfortunately the big press release last week about big improvement is coming unstuck as it only counted kids in homes/houses, and missed those in motels, camping grounds and cars so a bloody meaningless report. Good to see the AM show tackle Ardern on this, this morning.
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:31am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    If they counted all the children living in poverty then the numbers would be up . That’s why they don’t. Simple labour logic I don’t see what’s so hard to understand. The left in general never care about how things are only what they look like.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:33pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Given that she has spent only 14 minutes per month on average working on Child Poverty matters since since assuming this portfolio Sept 2017 to today), I would suggest the answer is that she is both clueless and dishonest.
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Children – we are treated like children by her
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She probably is like Biden snd can’t hear the prepared answers
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pathetic acting. It is ‘always’ someone else’s fault.
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:31am
- Mummy
  
  More likely she can’t hear the answer from H1 or H2.
  
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  October 17, 2022 3:03pm
Maggie Pie

A friend from Wellington retweets

McDonald’s at Johnsonville first to introduce ‘Maori Only’ toilets……

https://twitter.com/AnneCla70780917/status/1581432936217604096
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October 17, 2022 8:16am
- Yvette
  
  What does haua mean in Maori? – grow
  More meanings for hauā – disabled, adjective; disability, noun; lame, adjective: oddness, rare
  
  And if you are Maori and disabled, but not fluent in te reo, you may be buggered
  __________
  Never squat with your spurs on – not William Shakespeare but Will Rogers
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:44am
  - Paulus
    
    To be on the Maori roll you need 1/412 part.
    
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    October 17, 2022 1:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Even a Male or Female symbol is missing.
  The Moari language is now being forced upon us.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Oh no it’s not. They are there. I was distracted by something I did not understand.
    What is ‘kumea’ Google don’t know much other than Japanese links.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:23am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      pull
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:27am
- Harry Knuts
  
  They’re not completely inclusive. They’re missing the rainbow for the alphabet crew.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:29am
  - MCōs
    
    Relax
    I’m sure the male/female symbol covers pretty much everything
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:06am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Trust YOU not to notice they’re both black Cossie!
      
      SHEESH.
      
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      October 17, 2022 10:12am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      what about the special ones that identify as cats Cossie? they look excluded…
      
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      October 17, 2022 10:32am
- Opie
  
  So will that tweeter now lose their job for calling out forcified Maori language like the bluebird lady?
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:41am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Don’t use businesses that pull this sort of stunt. It’s only when they realise it’s bad for customer relations will it stop. At the moment many businesses seem to believe they are virtue signalling to a majority .
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:21pm
Harry Knuts

They’ve gotta be kidding right? How about they keep it in their pants for a while or stay monogamous. Why should their behaviour be at the cost of the taxpayer? https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/monkeypox-calls-for-government-to-introduce-isolation-payment-concerns-lack-of-support-could-discourage-isolation-and-testing.html
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October 17, 2022 8:19am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is quite difficult to catch the disease. It is impossible to catch inmonogamous relationship.
  
  https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/if-sick/transmission.html
  
  Why would you head to a gay “sauna” with monkey pox around? If you do, you can pay for the isolation 🙄🤡
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  [repost]
  About the gay community: “concerns lack of support could discourage isolation”
  
  About the general public: stay home or you’ll spend a night in the cells. You’ll need to leave relatives to die alone. No, you can’t have that medical treatment. You can’t return to your country – live on the streets somewhere until we’ll have you back. You’re fired for not taking the jab. You are a river of filth. No school for your kids. Etc, etc
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Never, ever forget, nor the people responsible.
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      2023 someone is going to get a fucking unbelievable hammering.
      
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      October 17, 2022 11:38am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Here’s novel idea. Let’s give them a MPX Vaccine certificate when they get their vaccine and stay clear with daily testing. Then when they go to the gay sauna’s or on grndr for their easy hook ups perhaps they have to have the vaccine pass before they can enter or use the grndr app?
  Worked for Covid right (sarc).
  To ask for govt/taxpayer subsidy for isolating is pretty much paramount to lack of personal responsibility and overly entitled attitude.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:06am
surfing

Eke Panuku – need to go. Bunch of thieves have attached themselves like leeches to the ratepayers of Auckland.

Polytech merger– what a mess. The polytech merger was a disaster in the first instance, now it is set to become a bigger mess as maori sink their hooks into things — they are demanding co-governance like the people of New Zealand have agreed to it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/130176341/calls-for-second-chief-executive-and-mori-cogovernance-at-megapolytech-te-pkenga
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October 17, 2022 8:24am
- Frank the tank
  
  I suspect Brown knows what has gone on in Panuku and this is why he is going so hard on them.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:39am
- Flossie
  
  I’ve googled that and still no real idea what eke panuku is.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:56am
Benedict Yu

What a mess. Indeed perhaps the biggest mess. Following the resignation of the Chief Executive of the mega polytechnic with the cool 😎 Maori mane, the Chief Financial Officer has resigned. 😭

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/130176341/calls-for-second-chief-executive-and-mori-cogovernance-at-megapolytech-te-pkenga

And now the proposed solution is “Co Governance” with a Maori Chief Executive working alongside a, well I guess a non Maori Chief Executive. 😳🤡

Honestly the incoming Minister needs to end this on Day 1. Change it back.

All we have now is a smoking ruin and a bill for probably hundreds of millions.

Successful small countries are successful partly because of the quality of systems and institutions. In this case we have a government that has destroyed the polytechnic sector, or at the very least thrown it into chaos. They are in the process of doing the same to the governance and management of water infrastructure, and to the resource management system:

https://environment.govt.nz/news/exposure-draft-for-the-natural-and-built-environments-act-released/

Under the proposed legislation, resource management is overseen by regional planning committees. These committees have considerable powers. They comprise..

One representative from the Minister of Conservation.

Iwi representatives.

One representative from each Council in the region.

All decisions of the committees must give effect to the Treaty.

So we have no ecologists, or local housing developers, or civil engineers. How do you think some of these planning committees are going to work out?

It seems that National is committed to fixing the polytechnic mess. Let’s hope they also have a plan to replace the RMA with a fit for purpose and modern resource management system. Go to Arizona and ask the folk there how they have managed to maintain affordable housing in one of the fastest growing regions of the USA. I am serious.
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October 17, 2022 8:25am
- Gravelroad
  
  @BY-
  “Let’s hope they also have a plan to replace the RMA with a fit for purpose and modern resource management system”.
  They said in the past that they had such plans – great plans.
  But they didn’t do anything.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:44am
- Colville
  
  I am serious.
  
  You may be but you know nothing about land.
  
  Check out Phoenix. Billiard table flat hard pan desert as far as the eye can see. Near zero value grazing land with no pesky rivers or sea or hills to bother you.
  
  If you want a subdivision you just go buy land at $1000/ac and whack in some pegs.
  
  The comparison is just ignorant.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    Imagination is not ignorance!
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:14am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    You are missing the bigger picture in my comment. Ok I don’t know much about Arizona. But I know a great deal about governance and how New Zealand legislation works. I am moderately competent in regards to the RMA. Therefore I stand by my view that this “replacement” for the RMA will be highly problematic.
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:19am
    - Colville
      
      Fine. But saying that New Zealand can have houses comparable to somewhere that dosent have floods earthquakes or liquefaction and where development land is literally 1/1000 the of the cost here is somewhat annoying.
      
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      October 17, 2022 1:29pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Give me a break. Urban land in Phoenix is not 1/1000 of the cost of land in Auckland or Wellington. It looks to be about $USD 110,000 per hectare.
        
        https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/3719-E-Baseline-Rd_Phoenix_AZ_85042_M20784-69410
        
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        October 17, 2022 2:24pm
  - Alwynn
    
    Phoenix?
    I was in the US one time, in New Orleans. It was a rather nice 38 degrees, and quite humid.
    The weather forecaster was telling us to be grateful for the benign weather as it was predicted to reach 52 in Phoenix that day. I understand they had a let off as it only got to 50!
    Who would ever want to live there?
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:22pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Forget Phoenix. That is not the point of my comment. I am simply pointing out that many places around the world have rational planning and consenting systems. New Zealand has a crazy system which is about to be replaced by a crazier system.
      
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      October 17, 2022 2:27pm
- surfing
  
  This is just the start. Every civil institution in NZ is being taken over by Maori, first in name, then in control.
  
  And, each time it leaves behind an organisational disaster. Look at Cyfs. The polytech shuffling of the chairs. Three waters is already an unmitigated disaster.
  
  I’d say the reserve bank too. Although they haven’t gone full co-governance as yet, they’re getting there.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:59am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Most of the competent staff have already bailed from the RB, and board members are now appointed with knowledge of female facial tatoos – not banking or finance. They are not headed for co-anything. They are going to be fully reliant on the traditional Maori knowledge of how to operate a successful financial system. What could possibly go wrong?
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They had a plan when Key was pm but ACT voted against it, it then had to be watered down to appease the mp
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:18am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I thought it was Peter Dunne who blocked RMA reform?
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:27pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Correct. It was Dunne and the Maori Party.
      
      Sept 11 (BusinessDesk) – The National-led government has lost its parliamentary majority to pass reforms to the Resource Management Act, with the United Future and Maori parties announcing this morning they will not vote for changes that undermine environmental protections
      
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      October 17, 2022 2:32pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Well back in 2014 did Nat only need one seat? The Māori party voted for a slimmed down RMA, I am sure Seymour did not vote for that change
        
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        October 18, 2022 12:06am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, if ACT went with Nats after that election it would have been enough, Dunne should never have been required
      
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      October 18, 2022 12:04am
- Philview
  
  Stephen Joyce said early on with the polytechnic merger that it take a special type of talent to increase funding by $200 million and still double the deficit.
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:19pm
ClanMcleod

Babylon Bee strikes again.

After revelations from a Pfizer executive in the EU parliament that they never tested the jab for its ability to prevent transmission of covid, the company have pointed out, they actually did test it….

BRUSSELS — Despite the uproar caused by revelations at a European Union hearing that the pharmaceutical giant rushed the COVID-19 vaccine out into use without testing it for preventing transmission, Pfizer executives were quick to backtrack and point out that they did, in fact, test the vaccine — on over five billion people.

“While there were no widespread, controlled tests of the vaccine in the clinical sense, to say we didn’t have any guinea pigs to try our vaccine on wouldn’t be the truth,” said Janine Small, Pfizer’s president of international developed markets said at the hearing. “We didn’t really know what would happen when we shot human beings up with this stuff, so we decided to test it in the most widespread way possible — by injecting it into over five billion people.”

While this information set off alarm bells around the globe, Pfizer was quick to point out that the results weren’t all bad. “People act like nothing good came out of this vaccine,” said Dr. Frederick Von Leibenschnibbitz, head of Pfizer’s Moneymaking Medicine Committee. “Yes, we rushed a vaccine out onto the market without knowing whether or not it actually stopped the transmission of the disease. Yes, we worked hand-in-hand with governments and media corporations around the world to force people into taking this untested vaccine. Yes, we have caused enormous numbers of people to develop myocarditis and other serious health problems. But look at how much money we made off of it! That counts for something, right? Right? Don’t look at me that way.”

At publishing time, Pfizer was continuing development on their newest COVID-19 booster, which they say (without any testing data to back it up) will protect you from the virus while only giving you rectal cancer as a side effect.

This covid narrative is unravelling faster than a wooly jumper with a hole in a basket of kittens. Where are all the pro mandate and vax pass trolls these days?
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October 17, 2022 8:29am
- Cinematic
  
  Most are struggling to come to terms with the deep authoritarian streak to their character revealed to all. I’m guessing it’s a mixture of self loathing and embarrassment.
  
  Turning on their neighbours, family and friends at the behest of snivelling conniving woke control freaks has left a stain on their character that’ll never polish out.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:15am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    “Turning on their neighbours, family and friends”
    All over a jab aye. Bet those folk are really proud of themselves now. Let’s hope they did crawl back under their rock. Or are they waiting for further instructions from their almighty leader – Comrade Cindy.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I sent the video of the Pfizer Ex admitting no testing of the vaccine, to my snivelling socialist brother in Australia.
    He says it is a hoax made up video, impossible for it to be true. Just won’t take it on board.
    Man they got him good
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:48am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Just like the older generation Russians who see nothing but their state propaganda TV and can’t believe what their children tell them about the real world before they emigrate to escape their call-up.
      
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      October 17, 2022 10:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He works for the Oz Govt. Makes it even worse – follow what the supervisor says.
        
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        October 17, 2022 11:45am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Cinematic – exactly, and summed up perfectly in this essay by CJ Hopkins.
    
    Yes, it’s the Morning After … that revolting regurgitant chorus you’re hearing is the sound of millions of Covidian Cultists down on their knees in their gender-neutral bathrooms praying to the Porcelain God.
    
    https://cjhopkins.substack.com/p/the-morning-after?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=298057&post_id=76239870&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder who Jacinda Ardern and Willy Jackson will be getting to organise the RNZ-TVNZ merger.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476791/government-expects-to-spend-6m-on-contractors-working-for-public-media-mega-merger
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October 17, 2022 8:31am
- Ghost
  
  I’m prepared to make sacrifices to do it, as long as I can work out a way to take all their budget for “expenses”
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:35am
  - Sideoiler
    
    …… as long as I can work out a way to take all their budget for “expenses”
    
    Koha is the answer you are looking for, tax free, no GST, untraceable Koha.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:17am
    - Ghost
      
      Oh thank god, I was afraid I would have to become a Mahuta
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You will, you just won’t know until it is too late.
        
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        October 17, 2022 9:55am
- Tricati
  
  Suggest Mahuta Corp has dibs on the cultural elements that will make a up a shit load of the content.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:45am
- Frank the tank
  
  Probably starts with a N. Jones and ends with a C. Smith and a little bit of K. Faafoi thrown in…..
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:45am
- pdm
  
  How about Claire Curran and Carol Hirschfeld?
  
  They were practicing in 2017 with secret meetings.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:50am
- Oskar
  
  Based on what is being demanded with the merged polytechs it will have a Maori name, it will have two chief executives one of whom is Maori, its regional boundaries will reflect tribal boundaries and it will be governed in accordance with the principles of the Treaty,
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:54am
- Nickc2
  
  Tracey Martin of NZ1st fame.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:20am
- Harry Knuts
  
  At this rate even Rowlf the Dog from the muppets would be acceptable to Willie. Intelligence won’t be a requirement cause he’s the right kinda brown.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Or fozzie bear.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:56am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Try a certain lobbyist, he went on the list last term to head this venture, but it clearly has been held up
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:19am
- Paulus
  
  Surely a one legged Lesbian Wahine fluent Maori speaker will get the job.
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:52pm
  - Nickc2
    
    When did Tracey Martin lose a leg?
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:00pm
Random T Person

Anyone else watching the Dahmer show on Netflix? I notice it is presented through a woke lens, where a ‘mother’s truth’ is discussed by the understanding and forgiving black mother to Dahmer’s mum. That sort of nonsense wasn’t a thing in the 90s, we didn’t have Foucault’s simulacrum of endless versions of the truth established in common society in those days.
I notice too, that a simplistic ‘black person good, white person bad’ narrative emerges. There is a strong focus on the black victims, while the white ones are glossed over rapidly (like Steven Hicks…no long backstory into the suffering of his family, but we get the full treatment for several of the ‘non whites’ families).
The cops, too, are simplistically presented as ‘black cop good, white cop bad’.
Quite annoying, I thought, because many other elements of the story are portrayed rather well.
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October 17, 2022 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  RTP, thanks for that. If it weren’t for family members still using Netflix I would dump it.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:53am
  - Zoomfatigued
    
    Dump and replace with Amazon. Cheaper, better content, a little less woke.
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:52pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Started watching it and dragged on way too much for my viewing tolerance. Overly dramatic. Watched the Dahmer tapes as the alternative. More my speed with factual tapes of his interviews. Way more interesting.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:10am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Yes, I watched the Dahmer tapes. I would never bother with a pure dramatisation-mini-series.
    The actual neighbors, relatives, officials and Dahmer speaking on the Dahmer Tapes. Very good.
    Basically just came across as of course horrific, but also very sad. Dahmer was a sad sad person, almost pathetic, in his own way, and even he wanted to understand why he was compelled to kill and was completely open about it.
    
    There is also a John Wayne Gacy and Dennis Nilsen documentary on Netflix. Nilsen is very much like a British Dahmer around his alleged motivations and who he targetted.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

Thanks Shane

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-first-conference-shane-jones-rejects-bias-after-donation-precedes-9m-pgf-funding-announcement/HHK4KDQD2FO7MGM6S674GC6YEU/
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October 17, 2022 8:32am
Maggie Pie

PARK LANE

Porsche fan sprays Aston Martin car dealership with oil-based paint…

https://twitter.com/richfelgate/status/1581603204386914304
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October 17, 2022 8:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a total twat.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And the state of ‘it’ !!
    
    LOL 😀
    
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    October 17, 2022 8:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Loved the comment that he’s got some in his hair.
      
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      October 17, 2022 9:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Looks like a trans incel with mental issues. What a loony tune.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:45am
- Frank the tank
  
  I’m assuming that the paint he is spray is a petroleum-based product right?
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:47am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I prefer the old type of punishment of getting the little fanta-pants to scrub his work off till it’s all gone. Might take him a few weeks but at least he will learn his lesson.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:11am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  He seems to be wearing a skirt (?).
  Some people need to get a good beating for these stunts. It is not a peaceful-protest when you are destroying private property.
  Tarring and feathering of the protestor would seem to be a karmic sort of sentence for this.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Elevator don’t go to the top floor
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:54am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Mushrooms and other hallucinogens can really mess you up.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:21pm
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/eke-panuku-s-middle-managers-earn-an-average-of-143-000-a-year.html

Eke Panuke.

So this “business” which was last year funded by $18.7 million of Auckland rates has 200 people “working” in it and 50 of them are managers. These managers helped them selves to $143k per year on average.

A manager in this type of environment can easily handle 20 staff, not 4. So there should be no more than 10. Not 50.

And what does this company do? They are basically in control of who can develop land in auckland and how they do it, taking into account Maori feelings.

Just shut the whole thing down.

It’s a bunch of whiteys running it – virtue signaling to Maori and taking payments from others to ensure they are allowed to carry out their projects. Corruption much?

One of the board left last year to go run Auckland Transport – the one that resigned when Wayne brown got elected so you can see the type if people they attract.

Their Financials are publicly available.

Last year they received from Auckland council:
$16.3 million in “operating expenses”
$2.4 million as a cash advance

And how much was returned in profit? $50k. Where did the rest go?

All to achieve fuck all except the transfer of wealth to iwi elite. Someone should oia exactly what projects were approved and the dealings behind them.

What they do could/should be an internal function of council. Probably a team of 10 with one manager. There, I just saved Auckland 17 million dollars and I’m sure you could add efficiencies back into the process as well.

So this blatant wasteage is on Wayne browns radar, and he has already called for them to resign. The board chair responded with “We answer to council, not the mayor”. That’s code for we know we do nothing but will continue to do so for as long as possible and make it hard as possible for you to disestablish us.

What’s worse is there will be 100’s of companies setup like this around the country, helping themselves to ratepayers money for little return.
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October 17, 2022 8:34am
- Blog-aholic
  
  That is a wage bill of over $7million for thos 50 ‘managers’, just there.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Enter, Wayne Brown. Get out the termination papers, never mind the Contracts.
    They just can not continue like this.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:03pm
- kowtow
  
  wtf is eat a pancake ?
  
  It is utterly ridiculous that citizens are forced to look up the meaning of bodies they are paying for .
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In reality the Board Chair answers to the Ratepayer.
  Paul Majurey needs to start looking for a job.
  DCM. Out! You’re fired, FIRED!!
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:01pm
- Opie
  
  Wait, my maths is out.
  
  They currently have 1 manager to 3 staff, not the 4 I gave them credit for…
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:34pm
Bill Felt

Such is the decline of New Zealand over the last 5 years that now even our food banks are being raided by thieves.
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October 17, 2022 8:36am
- Harry Knuts
  
  It’s called an all-time low.
  Thanks Labour. You have been successful in 1 thing only. Destroying a great country. Time for you to leave your post as any more destruction and we’ll be classed as 3rd world.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is the master plan. Jaspinda is going down in a screaming heap, and she knows.
    So the master plan is to fuck over what is left of NZ, just as Clark and Cullen did.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:07pm
- Debsta
  
  Seems to me it’s the ultimate illustration of a very broken society. There exists an appalling underbelly that has less to do with poverty, more to do with moral turpitude. 60 years of social welfare has broken the basic human social compact, and things are only getting worse. All very sad really, humans are surely capable of so much better.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:26am
Rusty

Winston Peters predicts a snap election next year.

He could be right.

Labour are down in the dumps and I can’t see them governing up till November 2023.

Jacinda Ardern has put herself into a no-win position of her own making.

If she ramps up the 3waters/He puapua talk she will alienate more Nzers or if she down plays it she will alienate her Maori MPs.

Snap election might be the only option, though I don’t see that going her way anyway.
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October 17, 2022 8:50am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Cindy’s doomed and I’m excited. #worstgovteverNZ.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:14am
- Gravelroad
  
  He talks up a good pre-tournament game plan, does Mr Peters.
  Come match day tactics change.
  And at the after match function it will be a different competition altogether.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:17am
  - RoboRob
    
    Winston does one year of work every three years. He works for the year leading up to an election and then sits on his hands for the next two. He is an expert at picking an issue with at least 5% hard core support and going hard on it. Race is his speciality, not that hes wrong in this case:)
    
    Vote ACT or National if you agree with Winstons views, he wont do anything for your vote.
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:30am
    - stiff cheese
      
      I voted for Winston once — it predated Ardern’s term in office so don’t blame me for her.
      
      He used to be the only way you could express frustration with the globalist uniparty running NZ.
      A vote for him was a way to drop a dump in Parliament’s nest.
      
      I can’t believe his supporters wanted him to trot overseas and sign us up to the UN Compact on Global Migration — but he didn’t care.
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:41pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She never denied it as a possibility today either
  
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  October 18, 2022 12:10am
Maggie Pie

Reserve-Bank-Governor out to lunch.

WAITER: “Would you like your pizza cut into 6 slices or 8 mister Orr?”

ADRIAN: “Make it 8. I’m really hungry today”
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October 17, 2022 8:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He’s out to lunch alright.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:59am
- Harry Knuts
  
  And this kinda shit puts me in a good mood for the day! thanks Maggie 🙂
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:15am
- Frank the tank
  
  He wouldn’t have pizza as there isn’t a translation into pidgin New Zimbabwean.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:24am
  - Matt Long
    
    Parehe is the word.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:47am
- O C Smith
  
  Good one!!!!
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:43am
Cassandra

Why do we now get pop up ads WH h stop all posting in its tracks. Very annoying.
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October 17, 2022 8:54am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Cassandra-
  Yes, adverts blocking over KB comments were enough for me.
  Have moved to DuckDuckGo. No adverts on there – so far.
  Or buy ad blocking , which is just another expense.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    See below. Adblock Plus is free, and it works. Blocking 10 atm.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:15pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Duckduckgo is a search engine!!!!!!!!!
    
    Brave is the browser blocking adverts and many other benefits
    
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    October 17, 2022 5:00pm
- Yabster
  
  yep was on the ipad yesterday- ads popped up obver the posts?- bloody stupid- don’t mind ads to teh side- Mods pass that on to the host please.
  
  ps was using duckduck go – but not the ios app
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:39am
- RoboRob
  
  Agree, the new extreme advertising is pretty frustrating. Happy to have adds but these ones are pretty over the top.
  
  My other bug bear is the actual commenting system…
  1) If you have been logged in for a while (24hrs?) and write a post when you save it says you are logged out and gets you to log back in BUT you entirely loose everything you just typed.
  2) For some reason on the Firefox browser I get no spell checking. On my phone (Chrome browser) I do
  3) If I edit a post when I click ‘save’ it doesn’t take be back to viewing posts. I just fails and I need to use the back button (Firefox browser)
  4) If I have chosen to have email notifications to replies to my posts, I never get these. Perhaps this has been fixed as I normally don’t bother clicking this option anymore.
  
  #1 above is hugely frustrating. 2&3 are likely to do with my browser choice but still should be addressed. In my experience #4 is likely caused by the configuration of the email provider and can be hard to resolve (assuming others do get these emails).
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Edited post goes to moderation. So you can’t say something, get a negative reply, then change your text.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:18pm
    - RoboRob
      
      It well might, but hen I click save the site should go back to the main screen not get stuck on edit screen saying ‘saving’.
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://adblockplus.org/en/download
  Sorry DPF, but they are getting annoying and intrusive.
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:13pm
Benedict Yu

At a family gathering yesterday. Chatting to my partner’s nephew. He is 18 and in last year at school. He said he only had 2 weeks of school left. I asked him if he then had exams.

He replied “I could sit the exams but I already have enough points to pass so I can’t be bothered.”

😳😳😳😳 Which genius came up with this NCEA show? FFS just scrap it and contract out curriculum and qualifications system to some adults.
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October 17, 2022 8:59am
- surfing
  
  That is a poor strategy though. He may choose not to attend, but, he’ll not get any subjects endorsed with merits or excellence.
  
  If he were attending University, the strategy would definitely limit his choices.
  
  And, myself as an employer looking to hire him would be looking at his NCEA transcript and I’d see right away he was a lazy person who puts in minimal effort. I’d also look to see if he took the bunny subjects too.
  
  Last year was far worse, they could choose not to attend and still get endorsed from mock exams. The three regions who were allowed to do this outperformed all of the other regions — so, having covid lockdowns was an education advantage to students ‘on paper’ .
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:06am
  - rjay
    
    It may well have been an advantage not to have been at school but rather have parents leading their education. The NCEA results might be more true than you realise.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:35am
  - Paulus
    
    If I was an employer I would ask him to prepare for me something in writing and some simple sums.
    I believe that such would give you one almighty shock if you saw the result.
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:35pm
- alex Masterley
  
  My oldest is in the same boat although he will be sitting his exams.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:21am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Mine too
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:04am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s my understanding (and I could be wrong) is that for many Kids a poor exam performance would drag down their average.
  
  Who can blame the kids for angling for the best outcome for them?
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:25am
- Lance
  
  Ummmm
  When I was in the sixth form (mumble) years ago. I didn’t have to sit the end of year exams as I had ‘enough points’.
  It was called having UE accredited.
  
  Looks like not much has changed
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You can go 3 years in a row now achieving all your passes from in-class assessments.
    
    Perhaps it’s the same at Polytechs and Universities, also.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:59am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I guess I come from a simple system 🙂
    
    Go to school.
    
    Parents send you to tutors after school and on weekends.
    
    Sit exams. Grades determine whether you get into best universities.
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:25am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Works well for the smallish % who go to uni.
      
      Pre-NCEA we had a system that binned half the population in year 11. That was after a significant proportion had shot through at 15 (year 10) because they knew they were going to be part of the rubbished half.
      
      Veddy British …
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:18pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I did the Bursary and Junior Scholarship exams in the sixth form instead of UE. Do they still have those?
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:01pm
  - Colville
    
    Some of us got accredited so the teachers wouldn’t have to see us again 😁
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:05pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  He told me that he had applied to the University of Canterbury to do a business degree or something similar.
  
  What a crazy system.
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:23am
  - RoboRob
    
    Total crazy. My understanding is that most ‘decent’ students who attend class can opt out of most exams because they have the points already. This is very common.
    
    There IS a qualifier that a certain number of points must come from external assessments. So you can’t get through with just internal assessment.
    
    Other great features are
    
    1) A system so complex that schools run sessions for parents to explain how it works. At ours the person running the session said that many students don’t really understand it until the end of the first year!
    
    2) You can carry some points through from one year to the next. In year 2 some (20?) of your 50(?) points can come from last years work. This doesn’t carry merit or excellence (you will need to actually re earn points for this). Clearly over complicated and designed to maximise the pass rates.
    
    3) Merit and Excellence results appear to be almost meaningless. My kids get them but will any employer or academic institute even look at them. I understand ‘pass’ is all that’s required for uni entrance for most courses.
    
    4) Schools get (2?) days ‘off’ per year for teachers to ‘learn about NCEA / do NCEA work’
    
    5) The math system is so poor that many schools offer overseas courses in addition to NCEA (i.e. Cambridge maths). The downside being that the NCEA maths test seems to regularly feature ‘trick’ questions that are covered extensively in NCEA classes but not really part of Cambridge. Both my sons did / do Cambridge maths and have been caught out. My youngest son is year 4 doing year 5 Cambridge maths (he is pretty awesome at math) and has been caught out in tests before. Don’t know if this is a conspiracy theory or just bad planning / teaching from my schools Cambridge teachers.
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:02am
- kowtow
  
  They came up with NCEA some 20 /25 years ago because of the failing tail .
  
  They wanted to let the failures feel like they could still get a piece of paper saying they’d received some education and weren’t useless , so they could feel good about themselves .
  Copied Scotland.
  
  That tail has grown to include the hind quarter .And I’d warrant there’s more illiteracy and in numeracy(?) than there was then and we know there’s a shit load more truancy .
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Granddaughter used to do that. Go hard, get the points, then veg out for the rest of the year. She is now thinking about going into a veterinarian career.
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:22pm
  - rangitoto
    
    It isn’t easy to get in to vet school probably harder to get in than medical school.
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Seems to know what she is doing. Switched on type.
      
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      October 17, 2022 2:17pm
      - Paulus
        
        All girls at that age know what they are doing in toeay’s world.
        But in time when they are all over trained they may well come up against a barrier of not enough jobs.
        We are aware of a number of your bright women who are going to do Law and Environmental studies.
        They want to save the World too !
        
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        October 17, 2022 2:39pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Unless you are learning maths and science all you are learning is how to talk. And then you have to look for a job doing that.
  
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  October 17, 2022 5:16pm
Harry Knuts

Help answer me this as I’ve been pondering this question for a while.
Under co-governance and knowing the tribes/iwi are all separate in their own right. Who determines under this new arrangement what tribe gets to the co-gov position and who do they represent? their own tribe first and foremost or a 1 tribe of all the tribes on a collective group?
Or haven’t they got that far yet?
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October 17, 2022 9:22am
- rjay
  
  Its even more a mystery because some iwi are more unified than others. After all it was hapu and not iwi that signed the Treaty.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who determines under this new arrangement what tribe gets to the co-gov position and who do they represent?
  
  It’s a changeable scenario… There are a few powerful tribes and depending whether or not they have politically savvy folk at the helm, they will be in ascendancy.
  
  (Ngai Tahu, Waikato-Tainui, Ngati Porou, and Ngapuhi are major players)
  
  There are secondary players… keep your eye on the fortunes of Ngati Kahungunu.
  
  and interspersed are the urban activists and the Religious affiliates (Ratana, Catholic Church, Anglican Church and Mormans).
  
  Like any group of folks… some leaders will work for the good of all; others will work for their tribe only; and some will just feather their own nest.
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:12am
- Nickc2
  
  That job will be contracted out to Mahuta Corp. What could possibly go wrong eh?
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:41am
BeaB

I hope this blog is getting well paid for these infuriating ads that obscure the comments and prevent any response.
Very annoying and enough, these days, to send us elsewhere.
Please stop it.
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October 17, 2022 9:28am
- Hebe123
  
  It became totally unreadable on phone / iPad so I’ve just downloaded Brave. Meant to do that for ages. So far no ads.
  
  Not sure what the KB administrator is trying to achieve – pissing everyone off?
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:42am
- Ghost
  
  Bloggers typically use ads to help pay the cost of hosting. The ads aren’t too bad here
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:43am
  - BeaB
    
    Of course they are bad when you cannot read comments and cannot reply to them.
    Sort of defeats the whole purpose.
    
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    October 17, 2022 9:47am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Duckagogo is another to use for your browser. It’s worse if you are on BFD site and not have Brave or Duck downloaded.
  Ads pays for you to use this site for free :-). fact of life.
  
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  October 17, 2022 9:49am
  - tavita
    
    Harry if news sources rely on advertisers for revenue, the reader is a product not a customer. You end up with the news the customer wants you to read. We all like getting stuff for free, but we would be better served if we stumped up the money to make this a subscription site free from adverts and ‘sponsored’ content.
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:34am
  - Yabster
    
    think we all realise ads are a fact of life- but why are they all of a sudden popping up over posts?
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:45am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yup its a balance. I am fine with adds, but ones that actively block the posting are a step too far.
      
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      October 17, 2022 11:03am
      - Ghost
        
        Take a screenshot and send it to David
        
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        October 17, 2022 11:17am
  - BeaB
    
    Thank you for explaining how ads work. Who’d have thought?
    
    Pointless though to have ads that block content and prevent activity.
    
    I am happy to have as many ads as can be attracted, just not plastered over the text.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:24pm
    - Ghost
      
      Take a screenshot of what they are doing and send it to david
      
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      October 17, 2022 12:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Adblock Plus. See link in my post above
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:25pm
- Rusty
  
  BeaB – I thought that was only happening to me. Does anyone know how to get rid of them – you open them up and look for a get rid of ads click and they do nothing.
  
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  October 17, 2022 4:58pm
krazykiwi

From The Telegraph (paywalled)

Brits hopping across the Channel will first have their fingerprints and photos taken. The new mass data-gathering scheme, which will go live in May, is part of the evolution of a so-called ‘Smart Border’.

But there is nothing ‘smart’ about the plans. The data grab has been justified by the aim of improving detection of dangerous travellers, finding vulnerable people, and reducing fraud, but it comes at an eye-watering cost to liberty and logistics. The border plans have been rightly described by civil society groups as “disproportionate and unnecessary”, while the Port of Dover’s boss has warned of “significant and continued disruption for a very long time”.

All travellers aged over 12 will need to be biometrically logged, creating an EU datastore loaded with hundreds of millions of people’s unique personal data. The EU is demanding not only a U.S.-style set of four fingerprints, but facial images too. Holiday-makers’ personal information will be mixed in with eventually billions of pieces of data, spanning photographs, palm prints, DNA records and facial biometrics, to which controversial recognition algorithms can be applied. This may be the biggest biometric data collection operation in European history. What could possibly go wrong?

Too many of our European friends have an indifferent attitude to the emergence of a data-hungry superstate – over 1.7 billion EU Digital Covid Certificates were issued during the pandemic – but even those falling out of love with liberté must be concerned about the disastrous impact on tourism and transport.

More Orwellianism.
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October 17, 2022 9:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  First time to Hawaii/Alaska got the going over in DHS.
  Electronic fingerprinting, thumb is a rolling capture. Then a palm scan, and a photo.
  Back to Hawaii after Alaska my prints were there, so just the passport.
  
  Made one mistake. Going to Alaska I went to Duty Free. Informed that Duty Free was only when traveling to non USA States. I was not the only one.
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

I can honestly say that never in my life would I have believed that the biggest threat to New Zealand would be its own Prime Minister.

Just saying.
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October 17, 2022 9:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Her attitude to the peasants is changing. She knows that many (even her valued Public Sector) hate her guts.
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:38pm
kevn

@kk… The same story over on non paywalled Daily Sceptic.
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October 17, 2022 9:54am
I remember when

Since DOC was created in 1987, access arrangements for mines have had a combined footprint of about 3512 hectares, or 0.04% of the 8,838,470 ha conservation estate.
Outgoing F&B chief executive Kevin Hague lamented in 2021 the “in a good year we’re just triaging a crisis. DOC’s budget to finance predator control covers only 500,000 out of the8.6 millilion hectares, a mere 6%.
Increasing predator control means either increasing taxation, removing funds from oth departments or allowing further mining applications.
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October 17, 2022 9:54am
Matt Long

https://www.foxnews.com/world/teens-pouring-milk-out-grocery-stores-raise-awareness-about-dairy-meat-production-emissions
Young people taken in by The Narrative by lying MSM get a free ride to be vandels because they’re “saving the planet.”
Useful fools are getting foolier, who’s going to stand up for the truth, Zero Convictions Luxon? Zero Cred Muller?
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October 17, 2022 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who is teaching them this nonsense?
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:54pm
Ghost

The thing is Jacinda, Winston could say just about anything and people won’t believe a damn thing you say because your track record is of a psychopathic liar.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-hits-back-at-nz-first-leader-winston-peters-claims/SWSSJMXO4XR5UNKE4ZNJV7JDZY/

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has hit back at New Zealand First’s leader Winston Peters’ claims from the weekend’s party conference saying “some of them are plain wrong”.

Appearing on TVNZ’s Breakfast Show, responding to Peter’s statements over the weekend, Ardern shrugged and said with a laugh: “Oh…it’s just that time of the [election] cycle again.”
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October 17, 2022 9:55am
Surely Knott

How leftists debate an argument:
Headline: “Ardern hits back at NZ First Leaders Wrong Statements.” (Note she calls it wrong statements not disinformation.)

So what are the wrong statements and why does Ardern think they are wrong ?

“”I’m wary – on some of the more extreme statements – just wary of, I guess, giving them any more headlines. Because some of them are just plain wrong,” she told TVNZ’s Breakfast show.”

She won’t say. She’s wary of giving them more headlines. She won’t even say cogovernance, 3 waters or what topic the supposed wrong statement relates to. We are supposed to read between the lines as she lists the things she will discuss. This is the state of NZ discourse. The media allows the PM to push through the most extreme race based legislation the country has ever seen. And there is no discussion and she won’t debate it. She won’t even say the word. Because everyone else is spreading “wrong statements”. Sound familiar – this is how they shut down discussion on this novel vaccination. 1 source of truth.
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October 17, 2022 9:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  How can you “hit back” at a wrong statement without specifying the “wrong statement” and refuting the statement? (And by refute I don’t mean ‘refude that’ – I mean the Oxford dictionary definition “prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.”
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cunning as a shithouse rat
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:56pm
Harry Knuts

I’ve never seen any politician in my lifetime that has such disturbing body language. Who the fuck smiles and tilts their head in sympathy when discussing non-achievement of her own govt.
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October 17, 2022 10:02am
- Rich Prick
  
  It’s her trademark sincerity exclamation gesture. And it’s as fake as all the others.
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:15am
- krazykiwi
  
  Body language: Head and neck gestures
  
  By tilting the head to the side, the person is exposing to you a vulnerable part of their body- the neck. Many canines including dogs lie down and expose their necks while confronting a more dominant canine to signal ‘defeat’, ending the fight without any physical aggression or bloodshed.
  
  When someone tilts their head in your presence, they’re non-verbally telling you, ‘I trust you not to harm me’. Interestingly, if you tilt your head while speaking, the listener will trust your words more.
  
  This is why politicians and people at other top leadership positions that require the support of people tilt their heads frequently while addressing the masses.
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:18am
  - kevn
    
    @kk… Wobbly head with arm flapping?
    
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    October 17, 2022 10:34am
    - krazykiwi
      
      A malfunction. Clearly.
      
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      October 17, 2022 10:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Short circuit?
      
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      October 17, 2022 1:00pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    I must be immune.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:52pm
MCōs

This morning I watched the Kiwi league team beat Lebanon.
Both teams were made up of players living in Oz.
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October 17, 2022 10:13am
- Harry Knuts
  
  So kiwi’s playing league and representing their country in the sport can’t be pro-league players in other countries if the money is better and to further their chosen career?
  
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  October 17, 2022 10:47am
  - MCōs
    
    Just making the observation after I read the other day the Lebanese boys all lived in Australia.
    It was expressed in a somewhat condescending manner.
    Then I heard only one Warrior had been selected for our team; and the hapless NZ Warriors have based in Oz for three seasons.
    Where do the Jamaica boys lives?
    
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    October 17, 2022 11:30am
    - Rusty
      
      MCos – The rugby league world cup is a mickey mouse affair. 3/4 of the players at the tournament are NRL players.
      
      I don’t even care who wins it.
      
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      October 17, 2022 5:04pm
Takere

The music just keeps on playing for eke Panuku and its chairman Paul Majurey!

The question is I suppose is when will it stop?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476786/eke-panuku-s-middle-managers-earn-an-average-of-143-000-a-year
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October 17, 2022 10:33am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://rumble.com/v1niqg8-trumps-truth-social-post-blows-up-the-internet.html
“You got this lion, he’s the king of the jungle. Huge mane out to here. He’s laying down under a tree, in the middle of Africa, he’s so big, he’s so hot! He doesn’t wanna move. Now, the little lion cubs they start messing with him, biting his tail, biting his ears, he doesn’t do anything.

The lioness, she starts messing with him, coming over making trouble, still nothing. Now the other animals, they notice this, and they start to move in. The jackals, hyenas, they’re barking at him, laughing at him.

They nip his toes and eat the food that’s in his domain. They do this and they get closer and closer and bolder and bolder, till one day…that lion gets up and tears the shit outta everybody, runs like the wind, eats everything in his path, ’cause every once in a while, the lion has to show the jackals who he is.”

He is coming back.
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October 17, 2022 11:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Description is in the link.
https://rumble.com/v1o3p7m–neil-oliver-new-facts-about-covid-and-the-vaccines-are-seeping-out-and-its.html
[21.13]
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October 17, 2022 11:13am
igm

So the dirty little ferals have had a great weekend . . . ripped off a free food provider in South Auckland, pinched the wheels off a hearse in Foxton, and burgled the hospice shop in Feilding.
These are the types that Ardern and her friend Sepuloni dote on.
They should be feeling the full force of the law . . . but Coster will not allow them to be given what they deserve.
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October 17, 2022 11:14am
- kowtow
  
  Policing with consent ……. of the criminals.
  
  Bugger the rest.
  
  George Floyd and all that.
  
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  October 17, 2022 12:13pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying rumor doing the rounds at the Viaduct is that New Zealand’s largest car ferry operator, the Interislander, may be considering separate sailings for the transportation of EV’s.

After the ‘Felicity Ace’ disaster earlier this year, Kiwirail is reassessing the risks associated with EV fires and must prepare for the worst 🙁
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October 17, 2022 11:24am
- Harry Knuts
  
  No Gweenie has yet confirmed the full life cycle of the batteries for these EV’s and how nice and safe they are for the planet from beginning to the end. The only reporting is on emissions.
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And I overheard my partner saying it’s around 50k USD for a replacement Tesla battery…..and about to get a sh*tload worse.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:04pm
  - MCōs
    
    There’s plenty of info on the internet about the life of electric car batteries.
    Looks like one car expect around 15yrs, which in most countries is beyond the life of car. Here in NZ the vehicle’s just been run in by that time.
    The replacement battery cost is irrelevant because by that age a car’s only worth thrupence.
    
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    October 17, 2022 12:49pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Battery life is around 8-10 years. Most Warranties expire at 8.
      Given there is not enough Cobalt, they are estimating replacement cost to increase to $30-50,000
      A Leaf is currently around $18,000 whilst a Prius is around $5,000
      So yes, the car will be worth nothing in 8 years time.
      Where are all the used batteries going to go?
      Landfill?
      
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      October 17, 2022 1:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A coal powered car has huge emissions.
    
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    October 17, 2022 1:04pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Just wait until the ferry is full of EV’s then sail. Not terribly convenient but…
  
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  October 17, 2022 11:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Put the EVs on the deck. If they catch fire just push them into the tide
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:06pm
  - Dougal10
    
    Put all the evs on the deck and plug them in and power the ferry crossing. Makes more sense than an electric ferry with its own batterys and the virtue signalers get screwed over in the process.
    
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    October 17, 2022 7:55pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Suggestion. If really worried about EV battery fires on the Interislander then load the EV’s last and have a means to push them off the back of the boat if they start to burn.
  
  Actual statistics show that petrol vehicles are much more likely to have a fire than EV’s.
  
  https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-g
  
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  October 17, 2022 7:58pm
Ghost

In all fairness to kids can, Jacinda is the single source of truth so we must believe her when she says these kids don’t know what they are talking about and they aren’t really starving under her figures and truth……..

Liar

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/cost-of-living-kidscan-survey-paints-grim-picture-of-kids-going-to-school-hungry-cold-and-miserable.html

That’s how KidsCan’s CEO has described the cost of living crisis as it cripples students and their families across Aotearoa.

A recent survey conducted by KidsCan paints a grim picture of the suffering students across the motu are facing – attending school “hungry, cold and miserable”.
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October 17, 2022 11:33am
- NothingLeft
  
  The parents of those “hungry cold and miserable” kids are mostly more than sufficiently well fed. NZ doesn’t have a poverty problem, it has an irresponsible and infantile shit parents problem.
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:42pm
MCōs

This chap is interesting and what he says resonates with some people here, but not in the way you might think.
https://twitter.com/griffinmalone6/status/1581343212874014720?s=61&t=6SUdYiokBW6xgHXPnHw72Q
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October 17, 2022 11:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What’s the go with the ‘smash white supremacy shirt?
  He took off his top to show the shirt.
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:13pm
Benedict Yu

Can Auckland be like Copenhagen?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130135461/aucklands-new-cycling-supremos-on-why-it-can-be-like-bikefriendly-copenhagen

I have been to Copenhagen. I’d say “No” 🙂

The population density for the Auckland urban area is 24.9 people per hectare.

https://knowledgeauckland.org.nz/publications/measuring-aucklands-population-density/

The population density for the Copenhagen urban area is 85.0 people per hectare.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303938/population-copenhagen-density/#:~:text=The%20population%20density%20of%20the,to%20almost%208%2C500%20in%202022.

Those pesky facts again 🙂
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October 17, 2022 11:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And Copenhagen doesn’t have any hills.
  
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  October 17, 2022 1:54pm
Nickc2

Is this the next Bat-Shit crazy Green anctic to arrive on our shores (not James)?
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/10/batshit-crazy.html
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October 17, 2022 1:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  These little bastards just need a good arse whipping.
  They obviously have never been taught ‘respect’
  
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  October 17, 2022 2:27pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’ve been following events a bit in the UK, that time is rapidly coming. The public are over them. When they block roads they are unceremoniously and roughly dragged into the gutter. About time. Dickheads.
    
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    October 17, 2022 8:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Al Jazeera reveals more on the Kamahl Santamaria saga

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62305455
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October 17, 2022 1:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nobody does a background search anymore?
  Just read the CV?
  
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  October 17, 2022 2:31pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum has been considering getting lip-enhancement injections and was wondering if it hurt.
Told her it does sting a wee bit although they do use anesthetic.
She seemed to think forking out nearly a grand a time seemed a bit steep….saying in her day the last thing anybody wanted was ‘big lips’ anyway. LOL!!

How times have changed.
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October 17, 2022 1:57pm
- Nickc2
  
  If she had a sex change and started insisting kids should be able to do the same, fat lips are free and administered on the spot with the odd nosebleed thrown in eh?
  
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  October 17, 2022 2:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    What about this attention seeker….
    
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1581017399067041792
    
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    October 17, 2022 2:58pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      OMG you just can’t make this shit up can ya!! Are they thinking this is an alternative to people keeping the placenta??
      I can’t unsee this. Need a stiff drink 🙂 LOL
      
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      October 17, 2022 4:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZ Taxpayer’s Union. Jordan Williams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkSPVUcb09c
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October 17, 2022 1:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot. What just happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRgqYjCZDtE
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October 17, 2022 2:53pm
Ghost

Maybe the lettuce will outlive her

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/uk/300714238/uk-tories-hold-secret-talks-on-crowning-new-leader

Liz Truss will appeal to moderate Tory MPs to save her premiership on Monday after it emerged that powerbrokers had held secret discussions about ousting her and arranging a “coronation”.

The prime minister will address the One Nation group of centrist Conservatives after a weekend in which three of her MPs called on her to quit and her new chancellor tore up the agenda on which she was elected only last month.

Senior members of the 1922 Committee of Conservative backbenchers held talks late on Friday evening about Truss’s future, The Times can reveal.
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October 17, 2022 3:05pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW

And I can’t believe he’s not wearing a face-mask either….

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1581785707437125632
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October 17, 2022 4:06pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Give him credit for his all over tan – #notanlines.
  
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  October 17, 2022 4:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/cdc-statistics-constitutional-carry-states-have-lower-gun-homicides/?
Alask is one of these. I did not know, and been twice. Never saw a gun on the streets, only at the family camp. Shitloads.
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October 17, 2022 4:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

In NZ these guys would be facing assault charges on minors. Way to go guys, more more more.
https://rumble.com/v1n95rc-drivers-have-enough-with-climate-crazies-blocking-traffic.html?
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October 17, 2022 4:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Let’s get that voting/drinking age down to 16, and then we can teach them lessons on ‘respect’
  
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  October 17, 2022 4:26pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum was saying that Sonny Tau appeared today in the Whangarei District Court on trial for sex charges 🙁

I had to admit I’d never heard of him.
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October 17, 2022 4:32pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  me neither. had to google that one. this will be an interesting one to keep an eye on. got my popcorn ready LOL.
  
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  October 17, 2022 4:41pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No…the only thing I could find was where he shot a wood pigeon and was finded 24k. Seems odd?
    
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    October 17, 2022 4:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He was head of Ngapuhi (Northland tribe) not so long ago… (2009-2019) and was involved with their treaty (un)settlements.
  
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  October 17, 2022 7:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Opinion:
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/jacinda-full-steam-into-the-electoral-hurricane?
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October 17, 2022 5:51pm
Ghost

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown has called for Watercare and council chief executive Jim Stabback to stop all work on the Government’s Three Water reforms, which he says are “doomed”.

In a letter to Watercare chairwoman Margaret Devlin he said the previous council and incoming mayor and governing body oppose the reforms.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/doomed-auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-calls-for-watercare-council-staff-to-stop-working-on-the-governments-three-waters-reforms/V2AXKUXMCJAUUONHVQUYJ5XHNY/
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October 17, 2022 6:25pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Not an Aucklander but hope that the new Whangarei mayor has the fortitude to do the same thing.
  
  The Whangarei ratepayers have been paying for many years to finally build the new state of the art water treatment plant that was just recently completed.
  
  To see those assets stripped from us now would upset many Whangarei ratepayers.
  
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  October 17, 2022 7:25pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Just massive. Will other mayors follow suit?
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:09pm
leoj

I am liking this new Auckland mayor.

He just told Mahuta and maori caucus to get stuffed on Three Waters.

He could teach Luxon a few things about style too.
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October 17, 2022 6:28pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yes a good start bulldozing the lefty BS out of the way. It’s Wayne’s World now.
  
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  October 17, 2022 8:52pm
Ghost

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/coronavirus-government-seeking-to-extend-powers-behind-covid-restrictions-until-2025.html

Newshub can reveal that the Government is seeking to extend COVID-19 restriction powers for another two years.

Newshub has just been leaked a proposal. It’s documentation in which the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet proposes that the legislation which underpins COVID-19 restrictions stay in place until 2025.

It wants the Act extended from its expiry date of May next year to May 2025.
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October 17, 2022 7:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief..

More trouble in Gizzy..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130200908/police-warn-gisborne-residents-to-avoid-lytton-rd
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October 17, 2022 7:20pm
NZer In Exile

Or some loony-left think tank.
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October 17, 2022 8:06pm
Jack5

Relevant to Otago University’s race-based priority entry to Medical School?

The Wall Street Journal reports a 2022 Pew Research Centre poll found that 74 per cent of Americans oppose the use of race in college admissions. Even more surprising, 68 per cent of Hispanics, 63 per cent of Asians, and 59 per cent of Blacks also oppose it, as do 87 per cent of Republicans and 62 per cent of Democrats.

Meanwhile, universities have switched strategy to “equity” — the desire for racial proportionality in all things. This in spite the US Supreme Court holding that quotas in college admissions are unlawful.

The newspaper says increasingly powerful diversity, equity and inclusion bureaucracies have arisen in the universities.

“The University of California, Berkeley, which now has a Division of Equity and Inclusion, a title that gives it a standing on campus equivalent to its Division of Mathematical and Physical Sciences. The division has an array of highly paid managers, eight of them with the title “director”. One of them is responsible for “diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging.”

The WSJ says such offices in American universiities are major actors in promoting progressive causes, from social justice to critical race theory and anti-capitalism.
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October 17, 2022 8:16pm
ecco

The more I see of Wayne Brown the more I like what I see. He’s what we need in NZ. Someone to give Ardern the two fingered salute for once.
He’s fearless💪
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