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Scott

Tuesday night on the project they were remarking that the number of children born to unmarried parents exceeds the number born to married parents for the first time. As is typical of a leftist progressive show they got homosexual comedian Eli Mathewson to be the “expert” commentator. The left do not really believe in marriage, unless it is homosexual marriage.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2022/10/comedian-eli-matthewson-suggests-best-terms-for-unmarried-couples.html

I would think that a man marrying a woman and providing a permanent union to look after and provide for each other and any offspring that may ensue, would be a priority for the government. But it seems not.

Successive governments have provided benefits for unmarried mothers which means a woman does not need to marry anymore because the government will provide an income.

Now a couple does not need to marry because after a period of time they gain the same rights as married couples anyway. So it is no wonder that marriage is declining and children are now mostly being born out of wedlock.

Why should we care? Well there is a natural order, which I would say is God-given, and we are disrupting the natural order, the way we were created to be. Marriage provides the best place for the upbringing of the next generation. Our governments championing of cohabitating couples is a wrong move in my opinion. When an unmarried couple has a child, the chances of them being together when that child is 15 is about 10%.
The importance of a father to socialise particularly young males is well documented. Children growing up without a father are far more likely to end up in jail and generally have worse outcomes in life.

Those of us you that have got married, brought up your children, not relied on the government and pursued reasonably orderly lives are now in a minority. It seems that you need to work hard and pay your taxes so that the government can pay for the lifestyles of everyone else? We have a huge welfare state, which is getting ever bigger. Our children are struggling with anxiety, with food disorders and with the general chaos and crime that is more and more evident in our communities.

The best way to stand out today is to marry someone of the opposite sex, have children, look after your children, stay together and behave reasonably responsibly. In today’s “anything goes” society that is now a radical act.
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October 14, 2022 8:04am
- slightlyrighty
  
  It would be enlightening to see how many of the young people involved in the Ram Raids have a positive male role model at home, or indeed any male role model at home.
  
  While it is possible for a young man to overcome the loss of a male parent (John Key was raised by a solo mother) many young people born out of wedlock go on to live lives of desperation, under-achievement and crime.
  
  A survey of our violent offenders WILL support the contention that Absent Fathers are a huge social problem.
  
  We have had, in the last 30-40 years, the de-stigmatising of children born outside a relationship. I wonder if we are now starting to see the reason behind the earlier social order.
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:42am
  - herb1
    
    They don’t need a role model at home as Ardern , Davis and Jackson provide those role models.
    Opinions may differ on the value of their role model status though
    
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    October 14, 2022 8:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who’s your Daddie? Willie LOL
      
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      October 14, 2022 9:22am
      - Don Beckett
        
        “In a time of universal deceit, telling the Truth is a revolutionary act.” (some famous writer whose name I have forgotten 🙂 )
        
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        October 14, 2022 10:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Must be that bloke who wrote the life we are living now……
        
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        October 14, 2022 12:54pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Its George Orwell, of course.
        I knew that.
        
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        October 14, 2022 2:11pm
  - mandk
    
    I attended a men’s breakfast with Andrew Becroft when he was Principal Youth Court Judge.
    
    One thing he said was that he had just finished a session in Whanganui, where almost 50 boys and young men appeared before him.
    
    Only one of them had a father playing an active role in his life.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:04am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Most of the little shits that have crossed my path did not have a Father in the house.
      Oh, they should not have crossed my path either, I always win.
      
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      October 14, 2022 9:25am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Steve Otto – I dare you to cross paths with Wily Willie.
        
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        October 14, 2022 10:17am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Cullen, I could walk up behind him a say “BOO!”
        He would turn white.
        
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        October 14, 2022 12:56pm
    - artemisia
      
      My father played a very active role in my life. That role ended him in prison.
      
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      October 14, 2022 9:53am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Your mother?
        
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        October 14, 2022 10:36am
  - AndyW
    
    I’d suggest that the ongoing narrative: all things European/White/Colonial are bad, is what is also contributing to our current situation. Youth are increasingly using that as an excuse to commit crime (against ‘whitey and his system’).
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:43am
  - David Garrett
    
    Slightly: I find it very significant that while Maori are hugely overrepresented in prison, PI’s are only slightly overrepresented – 16% of the population, and about 20% of the prison population. The reason IMO is obvious: PI parents – there is almost always two of them – are invariably married to each other. They know where their kids are all or at least most of the time, and more importantly, they care about what their kids are doing.
    
    Another major difference is PI’s highly value education, while many Maori deride educational success as “acting white”.
    
    I am currently in Tonga, and one of the things most noticeable here are the kids emerging from seriously sub-standard dwellings, in spotless school uniform, walking to school. They don’t have truancy officers because they don’t need to.
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:30am
    - Random T Person
      
      Also, David, anyone who is an immigrant has self-selected for resilience, self-sufficiency and determination. While some of the scum from another country might make it out, most are too indolent or incapable.
      There was an interesting thing somewhere, Aus I think, where immigrants were the most opposed to illegal immigration. That’s because we done jumped through all the hoops, we know what – or often more accurately who – we are escaping from, and bugger them if they think they can just raft their way to paradise after we done it right, and tough.
      
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      October 14, 2022 11:17am
      - Don Beckett
        
        I think you’ll find it was in the southern USA states. Many legal migrants didn’t want the illegals, because they would work for lower wages & steal jobs. That is why now, most Hispanics vote Republican when they previously voted Dem.
        
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        October 14, 2022 1:21pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Kids walking to school, in spotless uniform. That must be great to see that. How about some photos sent to the Minister of Education? Ask what went wrong in NZ.
      
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      October 14, 2022 6:28pm
  - edhunter
    
    My sister and I both consider ourselves lucky to have been among the last generation of adoptees (early 70’s), raised in a loving family environment by 2 parents who both wanted & loved us, it wasn’t perfect my any means but so much better than the alternative.
    
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    October 14, 2022 11:36am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Jordan Peterson has observed, through decades of work as a clinical psychologist and a thorough study of the data (his and others), that the single most important predictive factor in whether young men will end up in prison or as productive members of society, is the presence of the father (or positive male role model, but mostly fathers) in the home.
    
    Of course there are outliers at both extremes, but in general if you have a father at home and engaged in your life you’re much less likely to end up in prison.
    
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    October 14, 2022 12:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Now that we’re a minority can we ask for protected or special status , like all the rest have ?
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    We have always had ‘special status’ We just wear it on the inside.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Last sentence in first paragraph is spot on Scott.
  
  Now, to paraphrase Candace Owens — Fatherless Homes. That is the way the left want it. Kids equals money bro, more kids = more money. Left do not care, the money comes from Net Taxpayers. No Father/s present means permanent welfare dependent. Also means these solo mothers will vote Labour. Pregnant and barefooted is a real thing.
  
  Tell me I am wrong. MCos and virtualmark coming in fast at 5 o’clock, duck Steve.
  
  Second to last paragraph is also spot on. The bigger the welfare state, the longer the left retain power.
  
  “In today’s “anything goes” society that is now a radical act.” There must be something wrong with me—
  
  If you Scott and others get a chance to read “BLACKOUT” by Candace Owens, do it.
  You will not be sorry.
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:48am
- Philview
  
  This is a complex issue and sometimes best for marriages to break up etc. I do sometimes ponder that I made vows and told my wife’s parents that I would love and take care of their daughter which makes the marriage a bigger commitment than simply living together. This public declaration does mean something to my mind. However, I have been at weddings and seen people make moving vows and within months it is all over, so love is a complex issue.
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s why every cent of our benefit system should be paying the bills and debts, not one cent in peoples hands until it’s paid, Nats policy of having a work coach could be the beginnings of this, under 25 year olds weee already getting their bills paid, I guess the woeful labour government has wiped this. Just see how many take up jobs if fFS money was spent before the bums receive it
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Something from the link:
  “So we’re going to meet more and more unmarried partners in the coming years, but there’s some admin we haven’t yet figured out. We know what married couples commonly call each other – husband, or wife. But what about those who haven’t married? What do they call each other?”
  Partners. I have had a Wife – two Children – and Divorce.
  I now have had a female Partner for 37 years.
  I have done my share and will enjoy my retirement.
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:53am
- Hebe123
  
  You’re clearly a far right fascist like Giorgia Meloni, new PM of Italy!
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:03am
- Harry Knuts
  
  The fact that there is supposed intellect and facts coming out of this comedy show called the Project, I would take the whole thing as exactly that.
  to have someone like comedian Eli Mathewson on there being an expert when he isn’t even a parent you should easily conclude it’s a load of rubbish.
  Switch off from the Project. It’s utter rubbish.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:24am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Yep. Have avoided it for years now. Obnoxious, pretentious, smarmy, arrogant and ignorant rubbish. You’d have to be an airhead to swallow it.
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:42am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    The Project is simply a comedy show using current events as the topics. The same as 7 Days. It is not a place to go to for news.
    
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    October 14, 2022 11:09am
    - Opie
      
      Except it contains no comedy.
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:24pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “comedian Eli Mathewson” is an oxymoron if ever I heard one.
    
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    October 14, 2022 12:17pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Excellent comment, Scott. +10.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:01am
- rouppe
  
  You know, I’m going to disagree with you there.
  
  My ex-partner (i.e. we never formally married) and I have a son (i.e. born out of wedlock).
  
  My ex and I are probably on better terms than when we split, we share custody of our son, who is well adjusted, doing well at school (year 12 this year) and is turning into a fine young white man.
  
  The outcome for children has much more to do with the attitudes of the parents than their marital status.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:04am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Agreed, but you are the exception – similarly my older son, who is also the exception.
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:30am
  - David Garrett
    
    rouppe: I agree. I am not exaggerating when I say that if my ex wife and I had not separated, one of us would have killed the other – or at least had a good go at it.
    
    Other than our much loved children, we had virtually nothing in common. Our relationship began as one of mutual using: I got regular sex and someone to come home to; she got hot and cold running water and a “rich” palangi to take her out regularly and buy her stuff.
    
    Things changed when my daughter came along. I married largely in the hope that if we did it might increase the chance of us staying together (I am strongly of the view that kids do best when they have two parents of the opposite sex)
    
    We managed six years, which wasn’t too bad for people with nothing in common from two utterly different cultures. Needless to say I have played a very active role in the kids’ lives since we split. We even used to manage family holidays together before she met the moron she is now married to.
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:47am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Outliers don’t disprove the central theory, and the data tells a very clear story over time. I think the key for you rouppe is that you’re still heavily engaged in your son’s life, whereas most of the young men that end up in prison or worse, have had no positive male role model involved in their lives since early days, if at all.
    
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    October 14, 2022 12:27pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes. It ws my son’s wife who caused the bust-up – after 5 years, she thought it much more exciting to jump into other men’s beds than her husbands. My son kicked her out & raised the daughter & son himself. The daughter is now in real-estate in Brisbane, and the son is at Canterbury uni studying Structural Engineering.
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:26pm
  - Opie
    
    You don’t have to stay married to be an active parent and provide a positive male role model or influence.
    
    It tends to help but staying together for the kids sake often makes things worse eg fighting every night
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:27pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, I have a friend who used to think that abuse and cheating was the norm, that’s what he grew up seeing his Parents do. He went through so many relationships where he was abused thinking that was what love was.
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:32pm
  - Lenticular
    
    Statistically, not true.
    
    The socioeconomic outcome gaps between the children of married versus solo parents are enormous, and even versus blended families they’re notable. NZ data is a little scarce but it exists, US data is abundant.
    
    I’m a child of divorced parents, and have had step parents, etc. Adults forget how damn meaningful it is to have a mum and a dad and a stable, simple family which role models committed, unconditional love and which doesn’t force kids to navigate a web of competing affections and interests.
    
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    October 14, 2022 5:37pm
- Bernard Black
  
  Some statistics
  Although from the US I would bet that NZ statistics are just as bad, probably worse.
  
  63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes – 5 times the average. (US Dept. Of Health/Census)
  
  90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
  
  85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control)
  
  80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes – 14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
  
  71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report)
  
  43% of US children live without their father [US Department of Census]
  
  Is it really so surprising to learn that a majority of bullies also come from fatherless homes? As do a majority of school shooters? As do a majority of older male shooters?
  I think it’s important to consider the possibility that this thing we like to call ‘an epidemic of bullying,’ is really an ‘epidemic of fatherlessness.’
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:23am
  - Sideoiler
    
    …90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average…
    
    An interesting stat, what is the source for it please.
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:41am
    - Ghost
      
      Best I can find with all those stats is
      
      http://www.rochesterareafatherhoodnetwork.org/statistics
      
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      October 14, 2022 10:44am
    - Bernard Black
      
      This was part of a Facebook post from Mike Rowe (dirty jobs, deadliest Catch), highly intelligent and articulate guy.
      
      Runs a foundation that assists young people in to trade training, is very sceptical of the cost and benifits of many University courses today.
      
      Not sure where he got that particular statistic.
      
      The original post began by quoting Angelina Jolie with regards to splitting up with Brad Pitt and Angelina saying “kids don’t really need a father”
      
      Mike pointed out that many people these days seem to think that is an acceptable or even valid way of thinking, however as little as 20 or 30 years ago very few people would have agreed with that statement.
      
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      October 14, 2022 11:05am
      - zulumonster
        
        The original post began by quoting Angelina Jolie with regards to splitting up with Brad Pitt and Angelina saying “kids don’t really need a father”
        
        If Angelina was my Mum I probably wouldn’t need a father either …
        
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        October 14, 2022 3:09pm
  - Lenticular
    
    The crime gap in the USA between fatherless boys and boys with fathers is bigger than the black-white racial gap. It’s spectacular.
    
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    October 14, 2022 5:39pm
- Ghost
  
  The best way to stand out is to be with someone you love and who loves you. You don’t need to be married to raise great children and contribute to society, you don’t even need to be straight. Plenty of dysfunctional kids raised and abused, neglected in all types of families, plenty of kids thriving and loved in all kinds of families.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:53am
  - David Garrett
    
    you don’t even need to be straight.
    
    I’m afraid I disagree. There is a good reason that in the the vast majority of cultures and across most if not all religions, the basic family unit is a man and woman. I agree you don’t need to be married
    
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    October 14, 2022 11:29am
    - Ghost
      
      If a child is loved and cared for, thriving, then nothing else should matter. Too many children today don’t even get that.
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:09pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Sure ghost, but somewhere, there is science or psychology behind the man and woman thing. They bring different things to the table of child rearing and complement each other. So the child is in fact better balanced in most cases.
        
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        October 14, 2022 2:19pm
      - iMP
        
        It’s not enough. Kids have a human right to both masculine and feminine role modelling in life (what we used to call parenting). Intensive and full time over about 40 years.
        
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        October 14, 2022 5:24pm
- Rusty
  
  Scott – I like your christian observations on what’s going on in this country.
  
  After all God didn’t create Adam and Steve first!
  
  Ex-anarchist punk rocker Johnny Rotten/Lydon of the Sex Pistols said he missed having a dad in his life and was all for the family unit of a mum and dad.
  
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  October 14, 2022 11:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    As I am not a man of faith – are you sure about that Rusty?
    
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    October 14, 2022 6:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Add. I have a belly button.
      Something to ponder on LOL!
      
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      October 14, 2022 6:36pm
pdm

`The best way to stand out today is to marry someone of the opposite sex, have children, look after your children, stay together and behave reasonably responsibly. In today’s “anything goes” society that is now a radical act.’

A very telling statement!!! Scott.
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October 14, 2022 8:22am
- alloytoo
  
  Finally, I’m a radical!
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  Heh , it’s a bit like those wannabe’s who have tats , dreads etc , expressing their “individuality” by looking exactly like every other twat with dreads , tats etc
  
  Latest fad among a certain class of female is ridiculously coloured hair .
  
  Anyone notice how they all tend to be short ,overweight , wear pyjamas to the supermaket and invariable have a nose ring.
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:50am
  - David Garrett
    
    kowtow: I really don’t “get” the supposed appeal of having a ring through your nose or a bit of wire through the eyebrow…but today’s young men must like it or the girlies wouldn’t do it.
    
    Excellent point about the tatts and dreads…I have told my daughter that she is the standout one because, unlike all her mates, she doesn’t have tatts all over her arms. Of course I dare not ask if there are some that are not visible when she is clothed.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:29am
    - kowtow
      
      I suspect the appeal is “monkey see , monkey do” based on some rubbish from Hollyweird .
      
      Another wee irritant this pale stale male suffered from , though there’s not so much of it about , was the fashion for young men to wear their trousers off their arse , no belt . Constantly walking like a cowboy to keep em up and/or having to keep pullin them up.
      
      This being an aping of a minority US fashion to imitate prison inmates who didn’t have belts .
      
      To me that’s the ultimate inversion of our values .
      
      Once upon a time the royal courts set the trends , today it is prison inmates or dregs behaviour that’s “in”.
      
      Remember “heroin chic” .
      
      Seriously .
      
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      October 14, 2022 11:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Pink Terror?
    How dare you?
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:38am
    - kowtow
      
      Can you believe one of our “news” outlets published a story based on some burp she issued on disappointment with the mayoral result in Auckland .
      
      What the actual !
      
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      October 14, 2022 10:59am
  - rouppe
    
    Is there a woman out there between the ages of 35 and 50 that doesn’t have a tattoo?
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:06am
    - David Garrett
      
      rouppe: They exist but they are certainly a rarity.
      
      I have also noticed that fat middle aged women are far more likely to have at least one visible tatt than their slender sisters. Check it out next time you are out and about.
      
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      October 14, 2022 10:49am
      - kowtow
        
        Given the places they enjoy putting them that could get you into trouble ……..unless it’s summer time .
        
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        October 14, 2022 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Try Ngaruawahia
      
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      October 14, 2022 6:38pm
  - Flossie
    
    Agree mostly except for the “short” bit! Us little people have no control over that.
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes (see above) There must be something wrong with me!
  I am old (70) and I have learnt respect.
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Alloytoo has it! I’m a radical!!
    So that is what is wrong with me LOL
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:11am
- Nickc2
  
  When are these people going to come to the conclusion that at some time in the near future, we’re going to run out of normal people, the ones that marry and provide for their own kids in stable environments and at no cost to taxpayers and pay taxes to support those who don’t? We can’t continue like this. It’s high time we elected a Govt that has the balls to turn this situation around and make people responsible for their own futures devoid of Taxpayer handouts.
  It can’t be difficult, there was a time when life was one’s own responsibility.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:06am
  - Flossie
    
    Our PM is unmarried and a mother so don’t expect any change from this government.
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      Ah, but how many times has she tried to get married but something always goes wrong like the cameras, DJs and/or Woman’s Mags scribblers are busy on that particular day?
      Oh, I forgot, add to the above hurdles to her marriage, the caterers/venue owners want a down payment or something.
      
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      October 14, 2022 11:41am
Simon

Zero Covid boosted clown Chris Bishop, National’s vaxx true believer spokesman, wanted the state to go door to door to bully the unvaxxed to take the Jab.

Labo didnt go door to door bullying the unjaxxed because it was too weird or because they were too disorganized?
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October 14, 2022 8:22am
- alloytoo
  
  Too disorganised
  
  Too busy lying about the vaccines ability to reduce transmission.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:04am
- Ra Henare
  
  Chris Bishop is highly OVER RATED in my view.
  
  Like Jacinda he loves the limelight and jumping on whatever opinion wagon that is rolling past.
  
  I am sure he is a nice guy.
  But a good “”leader””, with principles, nah
  
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  October 14, 2022 5:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Funny as fuck on play school TV1 breakfast.
Michael Jones and a guy I can’t name at 10 pin.
Having trouble with the earpieces – cauliflower ears I guess
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October 14, 2022 8:32am
Simon

Luxon is paralyzed with fear Willie Jackson might call him a racist or Cindy accuse of him of spreading misinformation.
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October 14, 2022 8:38am
- RoboRob
  
  Nah, but he is likely worried about the MSM taking a sound byte out of context and running attack stories on him for weeks. They have form on this already.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:05am
  - Its only I
    
    If he cant swim why play in the pool?
    
    The National “Leader” Peering out from behind mother Labours skirts licking a lollipop dressed in a sailor suit….I will stop there its just too easy.
    
    If he has no confidence in who he is, what he stands for then how will anyone else?
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And what happens to Labours polls when the vulgar hit jobs come?
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Luxon is a sook. He needs to lash out and tell ALL of them to go fuck themselves, but will he?
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Needs to be like Muldoon (love him or hate him) outside that ballroom
    “He was in my path, so I dropped him” or something.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Go watch his answers to media on Monday, didn’t sound like a sook to me, told them he won’t rule in or out so go ask act, he won’t get anywhere abusing the media, that’s Peters style, and he is scum
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    I think he should talk to Auckland Mayor Brown who is already at odds with the paid media as he will not do their wishes NOW – they will continue to go at him as he tells them to STFU like Trump.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:33pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wooooh!! bring it on.
      “You are Fake News” LOL! NZ repeaters have not heard that for years!
      Media are going to censor here, censor there, censor everywhere. Jaspinda said words to the affect that she alone will control it – United Nations Style
      
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      October 14, 2022 6:44pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What bullshit, one of the best things Willie the racist could do is call Luxon a racist, he isn’t, and if Jackson said it then Nats would gain votes as they did when mud was thrown, Luxon is not stupid, he will be hoping Jackson calls him a racist, and he has plenty of ammo if the witch in chief called him a misinformer, we have an article today about her utter lies, she wouldn’t dare
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:11pm
Nukuleka

You can tell that the Labour Party is in panic mode when they have to pay for wrap-around advertising for their local Christchurch MPs on the give-away Christchurch Star newspaper- a year out from a general election. The 4 pages are full of smiling, largely unknown MPs, fronted of course by the rather more largely known Megan Woods, extolling their various (non) ‘achievements’ and trumpeting their clarion call of supposedly ‘building a high wage, low emissions economy’. Sure thing!

Panic…panic… panic…
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October 14, 2022 8:40am
- kowtow
  
  Or when they agree to that youth photo business .
  
  Ridiculous ; empty the gaols but take photos of kids .
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:52am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Sounds reasonable to me, if you empty the jails, then photo everyone!!!! who is a suspect.
    
    Presume that you know CCTV photos kids currently?
    
    The Kids you refer to are usually bad ass youths.
    Not an 8 year old blond headed girl playing with her dolls.
    
    But I guess you are learning the art of the spin from current politicians.
    
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    October 14, 2022 5:47pm
- RoboRob
  
  The question is, are we paying for this? I’m sure we are and I bet its classified as ‘community engagement’ or perhaps ‘policy publicity’ or some such.
  
  Yesterday was biking down Riccarton road and was stunned to see my local Labour MP on the huge advertising screen by the bottle store. The line was something like ‘always available to help’. Wonder if we paid for that too.
  
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  October 14, 2022 8:55am
- mogg
  
  We can expect much more of the same, going into next year’s election Labour and the Left have nothing to run on, they can’t run on their record of dismal failure in everything so they will return to ramping up the levels of fear/guilt over climate change. Covid fearmongering was very successful last election, so we can expect the same fearmongering with climate change this time.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That horse is dead.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:43am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Bwhahaha, that’s why it’s so easy to attack a Labour supporter who says Nats have no policies, even though they have stated clearly they will be out late this year early next, and not until all electorate candidates are in place
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:18pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      G are you related to Luxon? You seem to never be able to accept any criticism of him or the Nat’s. I’m not trying to be funny.. you just seem so defensive. Yes, ACT and them are our only hope for a (marginally) better outcome for this country. But the Nat’s are a million miles from as good as you believe them to be. They need some bloody mongrel.
      
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      October 14, 2022 9:58pm
igm

This is well worth reading . . .
https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/10/14/and-jacinda-wants-the-entire-country-to-be-run-this-way/
Another top analysis by Cameron.
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October 14, 2022 8:41am
- Clyde
  
  The clearly stated intention in the racist He Puapua document (the Liemore Party manifesto) is that ALL National Parks will be returned to the Eastern Polynesians. Is that what you want? If not, what are YOU going to do about it?
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:04am
- Observer of Life
  
  IGM: So Tuhoe don’t want any relics of western influence left. Excellent! Stop all government funding to them then, including benefits. Pretty simple.
  
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  October 14, 2022 11:02am
  - David Garrett
    
    Observer: the handover to Tuhoe of Te Urewera – one of the most magic places in NZ – was and is an ongoing disaster.
    
    I have visited there several times since the handover, and each time the Maori running the show are less friendly and welcoming, and the facilities more and more rundown.
    
    The head of the organization running it has made no secret of the fact that their primary interest is Te Urewera for the Tuhoe. It won’t be long before honkey visitors are excluded, not just made to feel unwelcome.
    
    And the most ludicrous thing about the “Treaty Settlement” is Tuhoe never signed the bloody thing!
    
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    October 14, 2022 11:46am
    - Observer of Life
      
      DG: It’s bloody sad. But if they want to rule their own piece of “paradise” then they should be doing it on their own coin. Cut the the flow of money in all shapes and forms. “The Good Life” equivalent for them. And let’s face it people, this is what we’re going to get with co-governance.
      
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      October 14, 2022 10:02pm
cas

Would Michael Wood be one of the worst Ministers at the moment? he keeps changing the immigration settings yet nothing he does seems to work and as for saying Fairplay agreements will sort out the truck driver problems, well what world does he live in.

As Minster of Transport he can’t even get the potholes fixed.

A minus 10 out of 10 for him
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October 14, 2022 8:50am
- RoboRob
  
  I think he is hamstrung by the governments not so secret agenda. It is hard to properly run immigration when your goal is to block all immigrants in the hope of full employment. All his current ‘policy’ is the typical labour knee jerk response to a self generated emergency. Doing just enough to appear to be doing something but not really wanting to let people in.
  
  All that said, Woods would have to be one of the sleaziest /smarmiest MPs I have ever seen. He make Willie Jackson look good. l
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:00am
- pdm
  
  Michael Woods hit his peak about 8 to 10 years ago when he wanted to ban `penis shaped’ lollies.
  
  It has been downhill all the way from then for him.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:07am
- artemisia
  
  Unite Union is campaigning for more pay and better conditions for hospo workers. More pay >>> living wage. And then apparently employers will stop demanding more migrant workers.
  
  I wonder if Unite has considered that hospo owners might do the sums and figure they’d be better off laying off staff, closing down and working for wages without the stress. Close downs happening already.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2022/10/hospitality-union-calls-for-better-pay-end-to-inconsistent-working-hours.html
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:11am
- mogg
  
  Woods has had a preview of next week’s CPI, he is trying to get in first with more immigration changes. Shortage of workers and higher wages are driving inflation higher, expect bad inflation news on Tuesday.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is no shortage of people who won’t work
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:49am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Isn’t Michael Wood touted as being a possible future leader of the Labour Party!!!
  
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  October 14, 2022 11:21am
  - Paulus
    
    Appears Wood is the Union’s choice from whence he came !
    Jacinda was not a Union choice due to special decision choice the Party made by mistake.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:41pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jaspinda is a Tyrant – she may let Wood be leader under her left foot on the throat
      
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      October 14, 2022 6:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are panicking with the pressure, he will be getting kneecapped, he is looking deluded, it does make him look bad as a possible leader, perhaps that’s the plan
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:20pm
Maggie Pie

Now normally, I don’t clik on stories in $TUFF headed ‘POU TIAKI’
They say it’s…. dedicated to exploring ‘Te Ao Maori, the Maori world’.

But when I saw the vid had over a million views on TikTok, I thort it might be worth checking out!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/130127036/videoed-eviction-of-trans-woman-from-christchurch-hotel-attracts-1-million-tiktok-views
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October 14, 2022 8:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another bitch that has ‘rights’
  Sensitive little prick.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:18am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Looking at the video, the owner handled things badly. He says the couple were smoking drugs. If we wanted to evict them on that basis, he should have called the police. Instead he went full retard temper tantrum.
    
    The other thing is the ‘trans’ person has been interviewed. The interview is all ‘I was evicted because I was dressed like a girl’. The journalist does not ask “Were you smoking drugs in your hotel room?”
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Police!!
      “Hello Police? One of my customers is smoking drugs in my Motel”
      Police “Um yeah, we will have a look. It may take 2 to 3 weeks. We are busy issuing speeding infringements to idiots speeding around potholes – see ya” Click.
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:08pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  That one cracked me up this morning. The fact that the tranny did a recording of the event tells me immediate guilt of them knowing what was coming. Another tranny trying to be a victim. Give me a break!
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!
    
    You’ll luv this one then Hazza 😛
    
    https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1580436609731768322
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:35am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      FFS seriously gotta be off ya face on meds or drugs for that carry on in public. 😉
      
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      October 14, 2022 2:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Or not in public
        
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        October 14, 2022 6:55pm
Tomtoddy

Am I out of line saying this…….??? I would rather there be some unsolved crime than give police too much power like randomly collecting photos.

The fastest way to ruin is to give authorities too much snooping power.
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October 14, 2022 8:59am
- RoboRob
  
  I generally agree with the principal of controlling policing agencies powers. However what we are talking about with respect to photos is simply recording people (Kids) acting suspiciously on the expectation of later catching them in crime. With some limits to storage time, I am fine with that. After all we have businesses videoing us and storing that for an unknown period already.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:03am
  - MCōs
    
    Business cctv cameras film everyone indiscriminately.
    The police seem to be taking photos because they don’t like the cut of their jib.
    To my mind it’s a breech of privacy.
    Never happened to me; not in NZ anyway.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:49am
- Random T Person
  
  The police have proved they are not to be trusted with multiple examples of them operating ultra vires in recent times.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:04am
- Cassandra
  
  It’s not random. In theory you might be right about police powers. Fortunately we have effective mechanisms to stop excesses. I’m all for stop and search (and pix) provided it is not random. If you see someone carrying a bag of crowbars and other tools, hooded, 2 am is that random? NZ police targeting young Māoris in malls is necessary. (Nice to see macron now automatic). Yeah right.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:11am
  - MCōs
    
    I’ve was stopped and searched in a busy street about 12yrs while I was waiting for a motorbike taxi in Bangkok by the local police.
    Couldn’t believe it!
    I could absolutely guarantee it wouldn’t happen to me in NZ.
    Doesn’t pay to be a minority.
    
    Tell me, Cassandra, would you object to being stopped and searched on Main Street with a whole lot of people watching on and taking photos?
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:05am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘If you see someone carrying a bag of crowbars and other tools, hooded, 2 am is that random’
    
    If they were builders in winter going to a distant job then it’s not random.
    
    I think it would be fair for a copper to politely ask questions , record details , no problem.
    
    The real issue here though is state intrusion into the lives of citizens who haven’t done anything wrong .
    
    If the cops come across a bunch of likely lads acting suspiciously then yes talk to them , ask questions , record details even , but why photograph , enetered into a database , kept for how long and by who , who else has access etc .
    
    And remember , it may start with “unruly yuffs” but where does it end .
    
    You could be having a smoke in a pub carpark or jst resting up after a long drive . Would you agree to having your photo taken . I wouldn’t and I certainly don’t trust this regime or indeed this police force under current “management” to do the right thing.
    
    You could get photographed for being a “climate denier” , an anti Whitakers chocolate bar wrapper opinion holder , a hate speecher , under this lot .
    
    Nope , we need to limit the state’s power not to increase it .
    
    btw if they want to stop crime then increase police numbers , target criminals and send them to prison for meaningful periods of time.
    
    Not to mention the underlying disfunction in our “progressive” society as per the posts at the top of today’s GD.
    
    But dont pretend the camera club will end a crime wave.
    
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    October 14, 2022 11:27am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Agreed. Just stinks of something that could easily be abuse of power in the end.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Works both ways. The little bastards have no trouble photographing and videoing Police; and the Police can’t stop them, The shits have rights you know.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:52am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’d make an exception for gang members, prospects and associates. Kids have no business growing up like that. The police and welfare agencies need to intervene.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:49am
Warren

As they say on many things like Sport, Business and Politics the cream always rises to the top but in Chris Hipkins case the cream has gone stale and curdled with his bullshit and lies being caught out on several of the portfolio’s he holds in the Labour Cabinet.
This was a Minister that many trusted in this poor Government and now he is facing a backlash on many fronts because this Government can’t even fix the simple things like gangs Ram raids and crime by listening instead using their we know better attitudes that is the crux of this problem.
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October 14, 2022 9:01am
- Don Beckett
  
  The other side of that coin, Warren, is that ‘The scum always rises to the top’.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:45am
- Paulus
  
  Hipkins has gone very quiet recently – afraid he will not be in the running for Cindy”s job for which he is known to have been hoped.
  Never would happen anyway, as he has been a disaster in all that he has done loudly.
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:45pm
lastmanstanding

The climate change madness continues. The Methane Tax will push up prices and make our exports uncompetitive. The rich and elites will still be able to afford their eye fillet steaks etc. The poor will be impacted but this will be offset to some extent by increased welfare. As usual the middle class especially wage and salary earners will get a double whammy. Their cost of living will increase as will their taxes. Government know the only place to get more tax is the middle class wage and salary earners and they exploit this no matter their colours.
On a positive note I see Greta has finally conceded that nuclear is a viable option. NZ needs to put the emotion aside and have an adult conversation about nuclear. We need to double energy outputs by 2040 only 18 years away. I can see no plans to do this.
The Greens wont allow hydro or geothermal and wind and solar are expensive and unreliable whereas nuclear is zero emissions and relatively cheap to the output.
I say to the Pollies time is running out. get your sorry sad sack arses into gear.
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October 14, 2022 9:01am
- Random T Person
  
  Yes Lastman, but here’s the thing. If, like DPF, you believe the underlying nonsense foundation, why would you object to the eventual nonsense outworkings?
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:05am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Illogical, Captain. Regardless of how strongly you do or don’t believe that something needs to be done – if it’s going to be done anyway, then everybody has an interest in it being done in the most effective and cost-efficient way possible.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can Greta please tell Jaspinda and the left about importing coal from Indonesia = bad, but Nuclear = good?
  I’ll wait Greta.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:00am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As I’ve said many times, agricultural methane merely recycles carbon from the atmosphere, it doesn’t add to it. The lunatics only respect science when it suits their alarmism.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    They talk of Science, but they wouldn’t know the first thing about it until it bit em on the arse.
    
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    October 14, 2022 11:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What the lunatics don’t get, is that the Carbon has always been here in one form or another. The Mothership did not just visit and drop off shitloads of Carbon.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:13pm
Tony Stuart

Is Creative New Zealand drunk? Foirmer Labour Party president Nigel Haworth tweets:

Nigel Haworth @NigelHaworth3
Creative New Zealand has decided not to fund the Sheilah Winn NZ Secondary School Shakespeare competition because it focuses on “a canon of imperialism”. A nonsensical decision.

https://twitter.com/NigelHaworth3/status/1580431645319913473

Now to be fair, there’s probably not much that Nigel Haworth and I agree on, but we’re in synch on this; not so much the cancellation, but the reason given for it. It’s woke ideology on steroids!

A friend’s son participated in the Sheilah Winn festival a few years ago, and was fortunate enough to be selected for the New Zealand contingent to go to the Globe Theatre, which was a life-changing experience for him.

The students at that festival represented a cross-section of New Zealand, not just students from “privileged” schools. And their performances of two Shakespeare plays was modern, thoroughly enjoyable, and the passion with which students performed was obvious.

For Creative NZ to write Shakespeare off as “a canon of imperialism” is a bizarre decision, but in the current environment, it should not be a surprise. As I said at the start, Creative NZ is drunk!
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October 14, 2022 9:12am
- cas
  
  Creative NZ has also virtually cut Arts on Tour where performing artists visit the small towns. Over 10 years it has only cost CNZ $2.2 million and loads of small towns have had the pleasure of seeing performances they wouldn’t otherwise be able to see.
  
  I bet I know in which direction the saved money will go.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:26am
- rouppe
  
  Surely anything that relies on reading and writing is a “canon of imperialism”
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:18am
- JimBobJoe
  
  How sad for a Labour Party cadre is losing something he cares about…
  
  He and his cimrades created the woke monster because the old divide and conquer via class politics was a busred flush. Now the monster is starting on their favourite activities.
  
  I say eff em. Maybe being in the grinder for a few years will reset their idiot politics.. Probably not as I am sure Jacinda will intervene when Arts beloved by H1 are touched….
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:49am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Not drunk, just Lefty halfwits spending other people’s money.
  
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  October 14, 2022 12:43pm
- quarterpack
  
  Wasnt Shakespeare dead BEFORE the British Empire was even established? Or perhaps he was a visionary, advocating the pillage of contenents not yet discovered?
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:07pm
Ghost

Seems Wellington are lucky not to have this guy elected, more Gilmore stories.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130157657/aaron-gilmores-500000-loan-solution-get-mum-and-dad-to-buy-his-holiday-house

Former National MP and failed city council candidate Aaron Gilmore may have a way to deal with his six-figure debt to his parents – get them to buy his holiday home.

Yet what could have been a straightforward solution has instead become a dispute in its own right….

In response, his mother, Kay Gilmore, said: “I don’t think that boy knows what’s coming out of his mouth.”
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October 14, 2022 9:14am
- David Garrett
  
  Ghost: Well yes…but as Gilmore says – justifiably I think – “Stuff has some weird fascination with my life”
  
  The man is obviously a bit short and is his own worst enemy…they should leave him alone to bumble his way through life.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:38am
  - Colville
    
    And the blokes Mum is happy to give Stuff nasty quotes for publication…
    
    He needs to get a job out of the public eye.!
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:55am
    - David Garrett
      
      Colville: Yes indeed…but as I said the man is his own worst enemy. I was in parliament with him, and every single time Labour members baited him he bit like a snapper…so obviously they kept on baiting him. He was a laughing stock well before his “Do you know who I am?” moment.
      
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      October 14, 2022 10:23am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Did she give nasty quotes, or did media fiddle them, if this idiot media think this somehow helps Labour then tell ‘em he’s dreamin
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:38pm
nathie

I’ve been left stunned after reading one of the most damning critiques I’ve ever read of the Labour Party’s incompetence (and absolute indifference).

This is in relation to foreign affairs, trade, international education, alleviating the skill shortage … but also advancing a Free Trade Agreement with one of the worlds most populated nations, and as a counter to over reliance on trade with a growing authoritarian China.

https://democracyproject.nz/2022/10/12/geoffrey-miller-new-zealands-relationship-with-india-is-in-trouble/

Not only that, the Indian Foreign Minister has been calling our Dear Government out (in various international and local Indian media) ….. but as always, the sounds of tumbleweeds from NZ’s so-called Fourth Estate …. is it any wonder the NZ MSM get labeled the “Team of $55M”?

Now I suggest this is not only a failure by Foreign Minister Mahuta, this is equally if not more damning of our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern …. because instead of spending so much time visiting primary schools and attending photo-shoots (did anyone see how quickly she turned to face the clicking cameras at the presentations to two incredibly brave Police Officers yesterday? See https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/two-dunedin-police-officers-vital-in-stopping-frenzied-dunedin-supermarket-knife-attacker-recognised-for-their-bravery.html), rather spending her precious time and capital on shoring up and enabling opportunities for NZ’s international and trade relations with important countries like India, that Australia already has a massive head start on.

This incompetent clown show of a Labour Govt and imposter Prime Minister needs to go, now, they add absolutely no value to NZ’s prosperity and increasing the standard of living for all of our citizens! (In fact, they are doing the complete opposite). 🙁
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October 14, 2022 9:16am
- Paulus
  
  Ardern’s role in the Police presentation must have been a sudden change of plan as she was due in Hawkes Bay that day but could not due to weather.
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:49pm
RoboRob

Listening to the radio and they are complaining about a lack of truck drivers, govt doesn’t classify them as essential workers. The argument is that this should be changed.

I think that almost everyone misses the actual issue, which in my opinion is that we have moved to far from the free market. Regardless of the governments competence, be that a Labour or National government, no small group of people can hope to judge the needs of business better than the actual market. The immigration ministry is always chasing the need, changing the rules once a shortage in an area occurs. This just causes unnecessary pain to NZ businesses and harms the country.

I’m not saying we need to have open, uncontrolled immigration, there needs to be some standards around the people coming in, but the concept of the government waiting for shortages and only then allowing people in to an industry simply hurts the country and has immigration always chasing the demand. Lets abandon the concept of ‘green light industry sectors’, no one can guess the sector that will next have a shortage so lets not pretend we can.
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October 14, 2022 9:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Truck drivers not essential workers?
  The elves and pixies move the product from the grower to the supermarket/processor.
  Some supermarkets actually grow steak/fish and avocados out the back you know.
  
  Serious, if you had breakfast today, thank a farmer and a truckie.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:12am
- GJM
  
  Truck driving and owning and operating has been in a race for the bottom for years. The operating costs of a truck are high, with maintenance and fuel. A truck could be $500k, and upwards. Many are leased, with the ongoing payments. You have a $160 COF every 6 months, that takes the truck off the road for a day, and it is random what VTNZ will find to fail you on this time, which has been fined up until now. The latest is Cardan shaft handbrakes, and the testing method may destroy gearboxes even though no problem has been shown to actually exist. This affects campervans as well.
  As a driver, you need medical exams and expensive licences, and with a class 5 and trailer license, you get the fine sum of $26/hour or so. For this you work all hours and get fined if you fill in the logbook wrong or 5 minutes over time allowed.
  I know a couple of people who have got out or are going. Most of the driving jobs in the case of one of them have been taken over by immigrants, typically Indian. They are hard on the equipment, and in this case, not good drivers, since they are straight out of the 2 day $1200 course to get an HT license. Work cheap though.
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have Class 5. That is a trailer. It covers double articulated (two turntables, B train and all that shit) By campervans I guess you mean camping buses – housetrucks?
    Cardan shaft is merely a driveshaft. Two pieces, a driving shaft and a driven shaft. (spline) It can be braked in many ways – external clamping, or even mechanical disc. Yes, gearboxes can get a hammering.
    I don’ have to do all that medical shit because I don’t work as a truck/trailer driver; and I am retired. But there is nothing stopping me from rolling up at a hire place and driving one out the gate.
    Had my Class 5 for over 45 years, heavy boat haulage.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:36pm
Frank the tank

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/saudis-say-biden-admin-requested-oil-production-cut-come-midterms

Umm didn’t the Dems try to impeach Trump over an alleged similar request in Ukraine? There is likely to be a ton of evidence supporting this available given the kamikaze diplomacy Sleepy has employed with the Saudis.

Methinks the ol’ coot is going to be impeached should (as predicted) the house flips in November.
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October 14, 2022 9:30am
Maggie Pie

PEACE IN OUR TIME.

“We do not want a World War”

– Emmanuel Macron

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1580504648821387268
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October 14, 2022 9:31am
- rangitoto
  
  Darth Putin replies:
  
  https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1580642755918778373
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And how arrogant is this 🙁
    
    Joe wouldn’t be silly enough to trigger a nuclear war, would he?
    
    https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1580182377363427328
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:24am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Sleepy has a few bigger issues than this given he has been caught trying to influence world leaders for domestic political gain.
      
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      October 14, 2022 11:31am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Put Joe and Vlad into a cage and leave them to it.
      
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      October 14, 2022 11:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Pentagon don’t want that.
        There is the problem – Pentagon. What do they actually do?
        
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        October 14, 2022 7:33pm
Ghost

Is this one of Maggie Pie’s famous trips to the shops?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/how-is-this-even-possible-bizarre-car-crash-at-sydney-westfield-mall/XMKCWSZN2AYTYGCKGQPNQTFQTI/
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October 14, 2022 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not Maggie, she drives a Porch.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:16am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I thought it was just a “woman only” parking bay.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:58am
David Garrett

I haven’t noticed the regular troll with several log ins…Milky Mikey Mikenmild here lately…has he been given a holiday?
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October 14, 2022 9:34am
- Ghost
  
  If you say their name three times they will turn up and haunt you
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:36am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s been very pleasant for the last week or so. No irrational dribbling, mainly adult discussion. I like it.
  
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  October 14, 2022 9:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ssssshhhh! Don’t mention names like that.
  I think he is lost in Waikikamukau
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:17am
- cmm
  
  Probably still in a safe room over the local elections work-over.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:22am
- igm
  
  Maybe he is in Auckland looking for Queen Street!
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:38am
cas

I’ve got an idea. Why don’t we require all Cabinet ministers to have a month’s sabbatical and send them to work at places that desperately need staff or who have other problems. Chippie to a Michael Hill jeweller, Wood to a trucking company, Jacinda to a stretched Queenstown hospo business. Carmel S could pick or prune kiwifruit, Would this help them see the problems?
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October 14, 2022 9:45am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I’d be worried about Cindy giving me the complaint pizza LOL, Chippie would be busy trying to restructure the MH business rather than business as usual, Wood likely to cut corners and fail on deliveries on time.
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:32pm
cmm

Geez, journalists are idiots.

Herald says there’s a brain drain (yup there is). Then the picture shows seasonal workers picking kiwifruit.

Dudes, an infinite supply of seasonal workers from Vanuatu is not going to fix the brain drain.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/brain-drain-signs-of-recovery-but-immigration-challenges-remain/62XKIY5H6JPXAPF6YKBSWMBTQA/
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October 14, 2022 10:21am
ClanMcleod

The evolution of the Bourla (CEO of Pfizer) virus.
This must be where Brenda got her “science” information from.

there seem to be a number of people who are of the opinion that “the drug companies never said the covid vaccines would stop transmission.”

but ah how wonderful it is to live in the age of instant-on video receipts. we do not have to guess, we can ask the pfizer CEO himself.

this montage is a startling evolution of talking points. it shows a pharma kingpin who is simply making stuff up on the fly and adapting tactically to whatever works best as marketing right now.

i have seen porsche adjustable seats with fewer positions than this.

perhaps this is why he was unwilling to appear (when asked) before the euro parliament.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-evolution-of-the-bourla-virus

To paraphrase Mr Bourla. “The jab stops you catching covid and passing it on” transmogrifies to “it doesn’t give protection against infection and it doesn’t last.”

Bourla refused to appear at the EU parliament. They sent a company rep who, when questioned on whether the vaccine had EVER been tested for the ability to prevent infection or transmission clearly stated it had not.

That video is here.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/its-not-about-you-its-about-me

Well that escalated quickly…….
We were lied to. Repeatedly. They are still lying. NZ is still pushing these failed medical experiments onto the population. Why?
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October 14, 2022 10:26am
- cmm
  
  We expect this bastard to lie.
  That is why we have various levels of gatekeepers in society:
  * FDA in USA
  * Medsafe in NZ
  * Journalists
  * Academic researchers.
  * Ministries of health in every country around the world.
  * Politicians of all stripes.
  * Medical professionals (GPs etc).
  
  And none of those did their job.
  
  Sure, there were a few individuals that pushed back but they were soon overcome and sidelined/suppressed. Just look at how ours were handled here in little old NZ.
  
  There’s a huge problem in the relationships between organisations like the WEF, politicians, drug companies and media.
  
  We can no longer rely on any independent review etc.
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:45am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    cmm – indeed, and in NZ, Ardern is the leader of this group of gatekeepers. She is skewered in this OffGuardian article by Colin Todhunter.
    
    Ardern belongs to a set of global leaders who were groomed for their positions through the World Economic Forum (WEF) Young Global Leaders programme. Yes, that WEF – the elitist organisation where hard-nose billionaires and their handmaidens gather to set out policies aligned with powerful business interests.
    
    The charm offensive that Ardern’s promoters undertook was an investment. She delivered on COVID and is now expected to sell more questionable policies to the public.
    
    Ardern is an installed change agent. She does not act in the interests of NZ. She is a globalist shill though she is rapidly being exposed as the utter fraud that she is.
    
    https://off-guardian.org/2022/10/13/free-speech-jacinda-ardern-and-the-tyranny-of-kindness/
    
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    October 14, 2022 12:06pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      ……a Manchurian Candidate.
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “If you did not hear it from us, it may not be the truth” or something.
    Jaspinda speaks from the Podium of Truth.
    Jaspinda, you lied – on many occasions.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:48pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Steve – “Otherwise, dismiss anything else. We will continue to be your single source of truth.”
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJjq_K9M4EQ
      
      Infamous words that will hopefully haunt her forever.
      
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      October 14, 2022 2:10pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s it
        
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        October 14, 2022 3:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have come across this from other sources.
  Looks like the Pfizer cat is out of the bag. Watch the NZ Govt run! Oma Rapeti Oma Rapeti
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:45pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ironic – the day after the Pfizer executive admits they didn’t know if it would protect against infection or spread of covid, the idiot Baker comes out and says we need to move back to something similar to the traffic light system.
    He’s a master of comedy timing.
    
    Tucker Carlson’s piece on it is as good as any I’ve seen. It’s in the middle of this article from The Conservative Woman.
    
    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-vaccine-that-never-protected-us-and-they-knew-it/
    
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    October 14, 2022 2:17pm
- freemark
  
  Yet the vast majority refuse, despite the overwhelming available information, to question – or even countenance questioning – any part of the great evil con. Was it some ray beamed out of the TV in March 2020, right into their brains, that cauterized critical thinking facilities? It’s unbelievable, although horrific is a better term.
  
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  October 14, 2022 5:53pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    freemark – for most it’s the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and singing “lalalalalala” very loudly.
    They don’t want to admit they were duped. They don’t want to admit they treated friends and family as lepers. They want it to go away and for nobody to ever talk about it again, but they understand the reality. The inquest hasn’t even started yet. We are in the earliest stages of the dawning realisation that this has been the biggest medical disaster in history.
    
    CJ Hopkins did an outstanding piece on the coming phenomenon.
    
    It’s like the morning after an office party on which you wake up almost terminally hungover to hazy memories of having performed a Tequila-fuelled blowjob on Bob in Accounting in what was either the 9th Floor Reception Area or possibly the downstairs lobby of your building while someone vaguely resembling that smirking kid in the Mail Room filmed it on his phone.
    
    Yes, it’s the Morning After … that revolting regurgitant chorus you’re hearing is the sound of millions of Covidian Cultists down on their knees in their gender-neutral bathrooms praying to the Porcelain God.
    
    It has been quite a trip these last two and a half years, but the orgy of fear and hatred is over, the mass hysteria is wearing off, and the reality of the damage they have done is beginning to become undeniable.
    
    https://consentfactory.org/2022/10/03/the-morning-after/
    
    The biggest hangover of most peoples’ lives are just beginning.
    
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    October 14, 2022 9:05pm
ClanMcleod

The Narrative is Collapsing

Artist Bob Moran strikes again.

https://www.bobmoran.co.uk/other-work/collapsing-original-artwork
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October 14, 2022 10:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Here’s a documentary about him. Love the way he thinks.
  
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  October 14, 2022 12:33pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Our PM receives the most elegant ‘Bob treatment’ here.
  
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  October 14, 2022 12:42pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    KK that’s a good one, I must say though I prefer the one I’ve bought. I think he captures Ardern perfectly in this one!
    
    https://www.bobmoran.co.uk/prints/smugglers-print
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:22pm
kevn

@Clan… Moran is truly an artist who ‘reads the room’ so well.
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October 14, 2022 10:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Possibly the best satirical political artist of this era. Some of his work is brilliant. A friend of mine was prescient enough to buy one of his originals very early on before he became well known. He paid $600 for it. Now you’ll be lucky to get one for under $12,000!
  I bought one of the prints. I love it.
  
  https://www.bobmoran.co.uk/prints/smugglers-print
  
  Not as smart as my buddy though!
  
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  October 14, 2022 11:47am
Taieri

Professor Baker trying to remain relevant:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/baker-wants-return-covid-alert-system
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October 14, 2022 11:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He really is a moron. Obviously missing the limelight and doesn’t understand people are over him and over the whole covid circus.
  
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  October 14, 2022 11:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Another dead horse.
    Flog it, still credits there
    
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    October 14, 2022 8:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AOC shot down in a blaze of glory.
https://rumble.com/v1nsw6y-you-are-the-establishment-aoc-humiliated-at-town-hall.html?
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October 14, 2022 11:11am
iMP

A STAT. Marriage causes 100% of divorces.

“…Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith…and forbid marriage.” -The Apostle Paul.
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October 14, 2022 11:59am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 😀 😀 😀

Truss: “Your Majesty. Lovely to see you again”

King: “Back again? Dear oh dear. Anyway…….”

https://twitter.com/chrisshiptv/status/1580264025648431105
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October 14, 2022 12:08pm
- greybeard
  
  She has far better legs than Boris.
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:46pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Really? 🙂
    
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    October 14, 2022 3:01pm
Takere

Paul Majurey has gone into hiding! He usually likes talking to the press. But now hes changed his tune. Hes got nothing to brag about, like the 750 apartment build in partnership with Ockham Residential worth $500m-$850m. It would be interesting to know where the investment capital come from.
His little iwi treaty settlement is no where near capable of raising that kind of capital and the other iwi settlements are still pending so you couldn’t leverage those settlements assets/equity before you own it can you?
So where is all this money coming from for all of these developments that he is involved in?
here’s one development;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/the-affordable-mt-albert-apartments-with-a-pool/QI5TQUHBBEHTR5QMLQXXJW3GZ4/

And another;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/council-selling-marutuahu-ockham-partnership-158ha-in-avondale-for-750-apartments/VCZLIEDBK56XESPVDJIQOEWYPY/

So where is all this investment capital coming from?
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October 14, 2022 12:18pm
- Takere
  
  And here’s the ‘Financial’ redress part of the Treaty Settlement that Majurey negotiated for Ngati Maru Hauraki;
  Financial and commercial redress
  This redress recognises the losses suffered by Ngāti Maru from breaches by the Crown of its Treaty obligations. The financial and commercial redress is aimed at providing Ngāti Maru with resources to assist them to develop their economic and social well-being.
  
  The total financial redress amount for Ngāti Maru is $27.8 million plus interest.
  
  Financial redress
  This includes:
  
  $1,830,000 being the agreed portion of the agreed transfer values of 2 properties received by the Marutūāhu Iwi through the Marutūāhu Iwi Collective Redress Deed;
  $2,025,729 being the transfer value of nineteen properties received by Ngāti Maru (either on an exclusive basis or shared with other iwi) on-account of the settlement via the Pare Hauraki Collective Redress Deed;
  $19,615,000 paid on-account for the Ngāti Maru share of the Pouarua Dairy Complex purchase; and
  $500,000 cash transferred to Ngāti Maru in August 2014 on-account of the settlement. Interest is also paid on financial redress.
  
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  October 14, 2022 12:40pm
  - trout
    
    Wayne Brown is on to Majurey; he is not outright accusing him of ‘insider trading’ (in respect of his close ties to developers), but has put him on notice. The shredders in Majurey’s office will be working overtime.
    
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    October 14, 2022 4:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Drain the swamp!
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is a link to The Gateway Pundit. You know, a far right wing fake news outfit that Batman discredits. Take no notice of Batman, OR what is on some of the Google Machine Cache.
As someone else mentioned – Nuremberg 2.0.
If you don’t believe it I don’t care, but at least I read it.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/human-rights-tribunals-begin-eu-mp-reveals-pfizer-no-evidence-vaccines-stopped-spread-covid19-arrest-fauci-arrest-pfizer-execs-now-video/
Lots of shit on the page but Fox News Tucker Carlson is the video. The straight answer is interesting at 1.28.
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October 14, 2022 12:22pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Our own Government perhaps had a short period of time when the available evidence might support a vaccine mandate but it was certainly guilty of enforcing them long after that evidence evaporated. I think that is the principal reason Labour will deny all attempts for an independent review and inquiry.
  
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  October 14, 2022 12:52pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “when the available evidence might support a vaccine mandate ”
    
    No. The mandate was always a violation of the principle of informed consent outlined in the 1947 Nuremberg Code and in the 1964 Declaration of Helsinki.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      More upticks on this. Many mentioned the Nuremberg Code and the Helsinki Declaration early in this Covid shit.
      It was brushed aside, even denied.
      Lefties have gone all quiet, where are they??
      
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      October 14, 2022 1:54pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I was referring to “the science” of course. It was the only evidence possibly supporting the mandates and turned out to be false.
      
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      October 14, 2022 6:01pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Even if they were unware that there was no evidence to support their repeated assertions that the vaccine would reduce transmission, the delays in our rollout meant that there was ample evidence from places like Israel that it simply didn’t.
    
    Faced with that information the PM ran away to the loo while the “Non-Jessica, Non-Tova” was removed from the scene.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:48pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Alan Wilkinson – no offence, but there was never a period of time that “might support a vaccine mandate”.
    
    The claim was that the vaccines were 95% effective. A very simple check of that information by many non experts (like me) at the time, revealed that this was Relative Risk Reduction. A number that is meaningless without also knowing the Absolute Risk Reduction. This figure is 0.8%
    
    Simply put, Absolute Risk Reduction is the only way to identify the true context of something reported in a clinical trial. It’s usually a much smaller number than Relative Risk Reduction (RRR), but it helps you assess the real world impact of a study finding.
    Simply put, Absolute Risk is less sexy than Relative Risk. It doesn’t make for good press headlines.
    
    Simply put, ARR was marketing, not science.
    Ardern claimed the vaccine meant covid would be “like measle” after the jab. That it would protect from infection and transmission. As per the above link from Steve Otto, that was a blatant lie.
    Her only possible get out of jail on this is that she was using advice given to her by her “experts”. If that is indeed the case, then those “expert” need to be in jail for medical malfeasance, manslaughter and assault.
    
    As for Medsafe, I’ve linked this document from their website multiple times. The importance of this document cannot be overstated.
    
    https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
    
    It clearly shows that Medsafe were fully aware of the physical risks of the vaccine, and that so much important information regarding the effects on pregnant, breastfeeding, frail and elderly and immune compromised was deemed missing information.
    
    Yet these groups were the ones advised most strenuously that it was critical they get jabbed. Even though Medsafe, and (surely also Ardern and Hipkins) were aware of this information. There is no possible “plausible deniability” on something so serious. Yet they embarked on a vicious campaign to compel people to participate in this global experiment.
    
    Here is a link to a small reminder of just how nasty this attack on those refusing to comply really was.
    
    https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/a-look-back-at-the-demonization-of?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=834349&post_id=78235520&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
    
    So when now, some of my friends tell me to “move on”, “let it go” etc my response is no. There needs to be a serious conversation. There need to be many admissions of wrongdoing and failure, and indeed of deliberate bullying and vicious vilification of people for doing nothing more than standing up for their rights.
    
    There was never a period that could justify “vaccine” mandates. There were serious questions being asked by highly qualified people long before the “vaccines” even came to market. The assault on these people and the shutting down of this information was the most telling reason not to trust a word Ardern and co were saying.
    
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    October 14, 2022 1:55pm
    - kevn
      
      @Clan… Gagging NZ doctors by threatening de-registration is a virtual admission of MOH/MedSafe guilt.
      
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      October 14, 2022 5:09pm
Ghost

Queen have released an unreleased Freddy Mercury single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijj_hheGEi0
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October 14, 2022 12:46pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s something I thort worth sharing with the group.

One of the girls from tennis was saying… London has a ‘Vagina Museum’

https://vaginamuseum.co.uk/eventscalendar

😛
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October 14, 2022 1:17pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Amsterdam has a Sex Museum.
  
  https://www.amsterdam.info/museums/sex-museum/
  
  When I was there they had an interesting window display of a female dummy (sans underwear) on a bike with a most unusual “saddle” that was mechanically connected to the pedaling motion. Nuff said. lol
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Pretty sure that’s what Julie-Anne Genter’s got 😀
    
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    October 14, 2022 2:14pm
    - kevn
      
      @Maggie… and so explain the self satisfied (aka smug) look?
      
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      October 14, 2022 2:16pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        “self satisfied” – no batteries required. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
        
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        October 14, 2022 2:27pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I wondered how she got pregnant. lol
      
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      October 14, 2022 2:24pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  And the Indonesians have a huge fascination with giant cocks. You see big wooden ones in the markets all throughout Bali. Considering they are a dominant Muslim nation it’s kinda an amusing contradiction.
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:40pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Bali is not majority Muslim…. its majority Hindu, and by a huge margin with very few Muslims living on the island of Bali.
    
    Why do you think Muslim fanatics bombed Bali – it was a go at the West and also Hindus in shot…
    
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    October 14, 2022 6:05pm
- Sol Invictus
  
  Iceland has a penis museum.
  
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  October 14, 2022 7:11pm
Benedict Yu

“Baker calls for return to Covid alert level system”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476643/we-need-that-leadership-baker-calls-for-return-to-covid-alert-level-system

Too funny 🙂 This is what happens when attention seekers lose attention 🙂
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October 14, 2022 1:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate!!!
  Just when we find out Pfizer seem to have been economic with the truth.
  Back under your rock Baker
  
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  October 14, 2022 1:58pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – we are so lucky to have him……//
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:06pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  If Baker had his way NZ would be in permanent lockdown.
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:41pm
  - kevn
    
    @Harry… If I had my way, baker would be locked out.
    
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    October 14, 2022 4:37pm
Ghost

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/national-mp-barbara-kuriger-steps-aside-from-roles-during-family-dispute-with-ministry-of-primary-industries.html

Senior National MP Barbara Kuriger has resigned from her portfolios, including agriculture, due to what leader Christopher Luxon is calling a “serious lapse of judgement”.
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October 14, 2022 2:08pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Are you implying this is a bad thing? It is a good thing.
  
  If this was a Government Minister it would be “I refude that there is any conflict of interest.”
  
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  October 14, 2022 3:19pm
  - Ghost
    
    Nope, just supplying the article for people to read
    
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    October 14, 2022 4:51pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    If this was a Government Minister, [etc.].
    
    Yes, Benedict, and because it’s an opposition member, the spokesperson for agriculture, no less, are you implying that there is nothing to see here?
    
    Others would disagree. See, for example, http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2022/10/a-failure-of-management.html.
    
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    October 14, 2022 6:07pm
- alloytoo
  
  And that concludes our demonstration on accountability.
  
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  October 14, 2022 4:49pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Ghost-
  Yes, and Ms Kuriger has been replaced, apparently, by Mr Todd Muller.
  Mr Luxon claims on newstalkzb that Muller is a great champion for farmers. First I’ve heard of it.
  I thought he was an insider in the world of Agri business which is not the same as the world of the ordinary farmer.
  Typical effing National. Just weasels claiming to support primary production but not the people who do the work. Just the ones who sit in the offices.
  
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  October 14, 2022 7:50pm
Maggie Pie

My partner said he hopes this little prick was originally from the South Island…

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1580706538825879553
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October 14, 2022 2:17pm
- Ghost
  
  Damn, so the kid’s friends were dealing drugs, and he was trying to protect them and also had a knife.
  
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  October 14, 2022 2:24pm
Ghost

Interesting poll results, hopefully David will have a post up about it

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130175800/nationalact-coalition-widens-its-margin-on-labourgreens-in-latest-poll
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October 14, 2022 2:38pm
- kowtow
  
  Country direction ; another record low and yet Labour up by 1 point .
  
  Anyway the trend is your friend and it’s going the right way .
  
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  October 14, 2022 3:39pm
  - Colville
    
    But Greens down by 3 so net neg2.
    
    It’s all good!
    
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    October 14, 2022 10:46pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The Herald has a rather strange headline.
  They say National/ACT could govern _alone_. Shouldn’t that be _together_?
  
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  October 14, 2022 4:11pm
- wilderbeast
  
  I’m surprised Labour holds up as well as it does in these polls. I can’t recall a government that finds its way into virtually every conversation people have like this one does – nearly all negative in my experience. I think it’s established now though that Labour is in the low thirties at best, and sinking….
  
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  October 14, 2022 10:02pm
Maggie Pie

Just listening to ZB News and the transmission of MPX.

I can honestly say that I have never known a man who has sex with OTHER men 🙁

Why on God’s earth would they want to do that…what’s the attraction?
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October 14, 2022 5:08pm
- iMP
  
  How do you know?
  
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  October 14, 2022 5:17pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Ohh Maggie. I would be my left testicle that you have known a man that has/had sex with other men/man but they on the surface live a happy married with a woman life. The amount of cross-over in our society is on a scale that would blow your mind 🙂
  
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  October 14, 2022 6:11pm
iMP

In the Christchurch Innes ward Pauline Cotter has defeated Ali Jones by 16 votes after specials. This is a good result for the three term counsellor who used to share the ward with Ali Jones 2 election cycles ago.

Pauline deserves the result, but it does change the mix on council with labour retaining a one ward majority out of 17. However Cotter did vote against Lab on intensification, so can be an independent thinker like Yani Johannsen out East.
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October 14, 2022 5:16pm
Tauhei Notts

A disturbing anecdote.
78 year old brother tendered eight $20 notes when he saw the supermarket total was $153. He was surprised when the till operator asked, after she had counted the notes;
“How much is this?”
The brother regrets that he had got it wrong. He should have told her that it was $220. That way he may have got an extra $60 in the change.
It’s a worry.
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October 14, 2022 5:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is the future of the Planet. No, NOT sarc
  
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  October 14, 2022 6:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

With the release of the European Parliament Pfizer video (see General Debate) Jaspinda will be hiding.
Now she is due in Bangkok next month 18th to 19th Nov for APEC. Where is she going to hide until then? Or is it Thailand holiday time to get married. Otherwise, you will have to tell lies for 5 more weeks LOL!
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October 14, 2022 5:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Friday funnies:
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/trump-stumped-over-why-jan-002410779.html
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October 14, 2022 6:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More funnies:
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/pelosi-trump-jan-6-punch-010313970.html
Trump offered help weeks before Jan 6th.
Pelosi and Chuck running scared. Btw, those rioters were in no way Trump supporters
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October 14, 2022 6:18pm
Ghost

Good to know Andrew little is in Australia talking about Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, I mean it’s not like there are any crisis in New Zealand he could focus on

https://twitter.com/Griffith_Uni/status/1580468857793224705?cxt=HHwWgoCp9a2D-u4rAAAA

A Dunedin dementia unit is being forced to close due to severe staffing shortages forcing 16 patients to move.

The unit at Ross Home has 24 beds and requires staff who can provide round-the-clock care.

But the labour shortage has taken a toll with the owner of Ross Home, Presbyterian Support Otago, announcing on Friday the unit was being closed.…..

It’s not the only unit affected either, with O’Neil revealing Presbyterian Support Otago has closed nearly 1000 aged care beds because of staffing shortages.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/dunedin-s-ross-home-forced-to-close-dementia-unit-due-to-severe-staff-shortages.html
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