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krazykiwi

Plenty of people, me included, have happily anticipated Elon Musk restoring free speech to Twitter. The extent of the little bird’s censorship has become alarming, including Senator’s tweets depicting government data, and over the weekend a tweet from Florida’s surgeon general. No matter how credentialed, anyone documenting evidence giving rise to concern about Covid ‘vaccines’ is likely to have posts censored, or their account suspended. Twitter heaven is quite full right now.

But it appears Musk will be toothless. Why? Have a read of this: How the EU is Forcing Twitter to Censor (and Musk Can’t Stop It). The alarming thing for me in the article was the realisation that EU compliance legislation with the threat of enormous fines leading to worldwide content censorship.

Unbeknownst to most Americans, this has in fact occurred and their 1st Amendment rights are being vitiated, namely, by the European Union. There is a financial gun pointed at Twitter. But it is not the Biden administration, but rather the European Commission, under the leadership of Commission president Ursula von der Leyen, that has its finger on the trigger.

The law in question is the EU’s Digital Services Act (DSA), which was passed by the European Parliament last July 5 amidst almost total indifference – in Europe as much as in the United States – despite its momentous and disastrous implications for freedom of speech worldwide.

The DSA gives the European Commission the power to impose fines of up to 6% of global turnover on “very large online platforms or very large online search engines” that it finds to be non-compliant with its censorship requirements. “Very large” is defined as any platform or search engine that has over 45 million users in the EU. Note that while the size criterion is limited to users in the EU, the sanction is based precisely on the company’s global turnover.
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Curiously, the publication of the draft legislation coincided with the authorization and subsequent rollout of the first Covid-19 vaccines in the EU: the legislation was unveiled on December 15 and the first Covid-19 vaccine, that of BioNTech and Pfizer, was authorized by the Commission just six days later. Vaccine skeptics or critics would quickly become the principal target of EU-driven online censorship thereafter.

As for Musk being defanged, watch the vid and the end of the article. It looks like a hostage video with the little EU chap having moments earlier read Musk the ‘Fines’ section of the EU’s censorship legislation. Musk looks as awkward as I’ve ever seen him.
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October 12, 2022 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Musk sells fake shit to clown show govt across the world. What else could anyone expect.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:08am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Reusable rockets, solar roofs, satellite internet and electric cars are “fake shit”. OK.
    
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    October 12, 2022 2:54pm
    - Lance
      
      The solar roofs were “fake shit”, they were fake and he was taken to court for bald face lying (as in fraud).
      Throw billions of dollars of tax payer money at a space program and you have to be bloody incompetent to not succeed, but i will concede that so far so good.
      Odd, you didn’t mention “hyperLoop”, a ridiculous concept that already has burned through hundreds of millions of dollars with nothing but idiotic demos like a small tunnel in Las Vegas. Never mind the physics.
      I am a big fan of innovation, it’s actually what I do for a living, but Elon Musk is hoovering vast sums of money that could go into real breakthroughs rather than silly brain farts Elon comes up with.
      
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      October 12, 2022 3:40pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        The money Musk is “hoovering” up are subsidies offered by idiotic federal and state government officials and politicians to various businesses and industries he would be an idiot not to take. Musk is on record stating he’s against subsidies in principle, but any good businessman doesn’t leave free money on the table.
        
        As for Hyperloop, I left that out because its long-term success or failure has yet to be determined. It might never be viable but then “experts” were just as obnoxiously snarky as your post about reusable rockets and mass-produced EVs 20 years ago too. Maybe get back to us in 2040 about a “silly brain fart” like the Hyperloop.
        
        And unless you’re a multi-billionaire yourself, don’t kid yourself you’re in the same league as Musk. If you bother to watch or listen to any in-depth long-format interview with him, he readily admits gaps in his knowledge, mistakes and missteps he’s made over the last few decades. Maybe you could try a little less hubris and a little more humility yourself?
        
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        October 12, 2022 4:21pm
- Anthony Coates
  
  I read the same article from Brownstone and was so stunned I could barely process it on a Sunday morning. Thanks for bringing it back up in this forum so I can face it now I have regained my bearings.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:13am
- peterwn
  
  Elon should compare notes with Gina Rinehart (mining magnate and Australia’s richest woman) who purchased a share in Fairfax (I think it still completely owned DomPost then) and wanted a seat on the Board, possibly to influence editorial policy (someone quipped that the SMH, Age, etc would become the ‘Mining Gazette’ if she was on the Board). There was almighty resistance to her getting a Board seat and it did not happen. She later sold out.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:21am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I’m guessing she bailed when she realised the whole caboodle was infested with loony-left termites.
    
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    October 12, 2022 4:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am not signed up with Twitter, but I do enjoy reading some posts from links on here.
  One of the reasons for censoring posts is those posting can get their view out there before the Media fucks with it. The example that sticks out like dog’s balls is Donald Trump!
  Now we know what sort of shit Jaspinda was spouting at the United Nations. The same as Twitter. We must have ‘free speech’ as long as it is the free speech that she and her commie cohorts can censor invisibly. What a nasty piece of work.
  Just remember Ardern, we have a ‘Bill of Rights’ Do not get out of your depth any more than you already are.
  Musk defanged? Not so sure. He plays with a different set of cards than we do.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:25am
- ISeeRed
  
  Musk is frequently underestimated. Reusable rockets? Dream on. Mass produced EVs? Fat chance. Now toothless Twitter? With his analytical mind, he probably has a workaround already in mind. But Musk is not perfect. No more than some seem to think he’s the Devil Incarnate.
  
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  October 12, 2022 2:59pm
Yvette

A shift in political thinking’: many of New Zealand’s cities lurch right in local elections
… Collins in Auckland and Paul Eagle in Wellington both received the personal endorsement of Ardern, and both received a drubbing in mayoral elections. Collins, once a favourite to win, lost by a margin of 60,000 votes to conservative candidate Wayne Brown. In Wellington, Labour’s Eagle came in a dismal fourth place, securing less than half of the votes of Greens-backed winner Tory Whanau. In Christchurch and Dunedin, cities swung right, electing mayors more conservative than their incumbents.

… Asked whether the results spelled trouble for the party in the upcoming election, Ardern said they had little to do with central government results. “I’ve never interpreted local government elections in that way,” she said.
“They just have a different rhythm to them. I don’t think it’s fair to just necessarily draw those straight comparisons. In my mind, always there’s been times when central and local government have had different positions on issues – but actually, these are also times when we need to work together.” – the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/10/a-shift-in-political-thinking-why-many-of-new-zealands-cities-have-lurched-to-the-right-local-elections

While “3 Waters” legislation already progresses through Parliament, leading to the establishment of “co-governance”, the nation-wide “conversation” on “co-governance” has not really occurred as Ardern promised, but these results, above, should tell her one side of the “conversation” we are yet to have.
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October 12, 2022 8:03am
- ISeeRed
  
  Interesting how voters “swing” to the left but “lurch” to the right. Words matter.
  
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  October 12, 2022 3:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is serious for the Democrats. They are running scared.
https://leadpatriot.com/trump-is-about-to-own-cnn-with-new-defamation-lawsuit/19345/
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October 12, 2022 8:03am
- krazykiwi
  
  Running. And some are making their flight public: Former Democratic Presidential Candidate and Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard Leaves the Democratic Party
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I was so pleased to see that. I’ve admired Tulsi’s stance on many issues for a number of years now. She certainly seems principled.
    Her words re the state of the Democratic Party were scathing but totally accurate.
    America is fracturing and it needs to. It needs a good reset, totally unrelated to the one advocated by Herr Schwab and co.
    
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    October 12, 2022 8:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I saw this in my emails. Tulsi Gabbard has not been happy with the Democrat’s direction for some time. Dems have been making things difficult (censoring) for her.
    I wonder if she will approach the Republicans, or the Republicans approach her to replace the RINOs as they lose the mid-terms?
    Independent will probably take her nowhere.
    Leaving the Democrats means one thing: she can now let them have it with both barrels
    
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    October 12, 2022 8:38am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Ron and Tulsi now wouldn’t that be something?! There would certainly be some arses kicked in Washington
      
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      October 12, 2022 1:49pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Bring it on!!!
        
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        October 12, 2022 2:07pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Extraordinary. She was much favoured by thinking voters, left and right. What next, I wonder? Third parties do poorly in the US. Could she be tempted by the Republicans? Not in Hawaii of course, that’d be like a Democrat running in Texas, but on a national ticket?
    
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    October 12, 2022 8:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Running.
    
    Wealthy people are fleeing the dysfunction of Dem states .
    
    I hope they are not hypocrites who then vote Dem in a GOP state.
    
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    October 12, 2022 8:49am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Gavin Newsom is U-Hauls best performing salesman.
      
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      October 12, 2022 10:24am
  - virtualmark
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Tulsi Gabbard has always been a cuckoo in the Democrat’s nest.
    
    Tulsi has been groomed by the Russians for years. If you listen to her (and you get plenty chance to do that on Fox News at the moment) it’s all Russian talking points. She’s been one of the Russian chaos agents in the Democrat party for years.
    
    Andrew Yang is another.
    
    And, watch for Kyrsten Sinema (AZ) to switch from Democrat to Republican after the midterms. She’s another like Tulsi.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:19am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Groomed by The Russians™?!? Wow.
      
      Or perhaps this: –
      
      It seems Tulsi is waking up. In 2015 she was named as one of the World Economic Forum’s “Young Global Leaders”, joining the ranks of young liberals including Emmanuel Macron, Jacinda Ardern and Justin Trudeau, all of whom graduated from Klaus Schwab’s class to become modern-day left-wing authoritarians.
      
      But Tulsi Gabbard chose a different path.
      
      Rather than falling in line as a standard-issue Democrat coward, Gabbard has not had any qualms criticizing party royalty in recent years. In 2020 she sued Hillary Clinton after the notoriously duplicitous former First Lady slandered her a “Russian asset.”
      
      More recently she has said what we have all been thinking and leveled criticism at Joe Biden for his dystopian decision to create a Disinformation Governance Board, while pointing out the direct connection between it and recent comments made by former President Barack Obama.
      
      So yeah, when Hillary Clinton calls someone “a Russian asset” forgive me if I summarily dismiss the accusation.
      
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      October 12, 2022 10:44am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Wow. I’m picking you still think the vaccines are safe and effective. Astonishing logic. Truly astonishing.
      
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      October 12, 2022 11:00am
    - leoj
      
      Your TV must be locked?
      There is an arrow button on your remote which changes channels.
      So, you don’t HAVE to watch CNN.
      
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      October 12, 2022 11:46am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Good God.
      
      That is straight out looney tunes conspiracy theories.
      
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      October 12, 2022 12:18pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I don’t watch CNN. I do occasionally watch Fox News.
      
      I also read. A lot. Try https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2022/03/14/tulsi-gabbards-biggest-political-donor-in-2021-is-a-putin-apologist/?sh=7fcf56e44cd6 for just one example. Here’s a challenge … find me a Tulsi quote where she criticises Putin. I’ll wait.
      
      Tulsi Gabbard has consistently put forward pro-Russia narratives in campaigns and media appearances. Do you think the Russians only buddy up with GOP politicians? Don’t be stupid, the Russians are clever enough to have a horse in all races.
      
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      October 12, 2022 12:29pm
      - Frank the tank
        
        Like the Chinese.
        
        That democrat halfwit that had an affair with an agent called Fang Fang yet miraculously is still a member of congress and a rising ‘star’ for the democrats.
        
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        October 12, 2022 1:21pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Frank, politics is colour-blind about idiots. There are halfwits spread evenly across all political parties.
        
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        October 12, 2022 3:19pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Christ. There was a time, over a decade ago now, when you could debate and disagree with “virtualmark” in a reasonable way concerning his support for the Democrats.
      
      But no longer. Trump has broken his mind when you see shite like the above plus this:
      
      Well, MBS has Trump and Kushner in his pocket.
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      He was owned outright by the Italian mob, then by the Russian mob when they rolled up the Genovese crime family in the 1990s.
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      you should keep in mind that Trump wears Depends because years of drug use
      
      Yeah, someone who can write that is just clothed in credibility.
      
      Plus now Gabbard, Yang, Sinema…. The list of enemies grows by the day, and in his own camp no less. Rheeeeeeee……..
      
      It feels exactly like debating 9/11 Truthers back in the day.
      
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      October 12, 2022 2:25pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Oh Tom, I see you’re back for another weak whine.
        
        I read Robert Friedman’s book “Red Mafiya” back in about 2005ish. The book was written in 2000. It lays out Trump’s mob connections, and how they were transferred across to the Russian mob. You should read more.
        
        You might also find https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel interesting. Noel Casler was the Trump family handler in “The Apprentice”. He’s seen Trump and the kids a lot closer than you and I have. He’s very clear that Trump is incontinent (due to years of drug use), wears Depends, and that “clean up” was one of Keith Schiller and Hope Howell’s jobs (so maybe there’s a vacancy … you could apply). Oh, and Trump’s Russian mob connections too (Yes, I know you don’t want to believe). I note that Trump hasn’t ever sued Noel Casler. Given the sorts of things Noel is saying, if I were Trump and they were untrue then I’d have sued him long ago.
        
        And I’m not a Democrat, so they’re not “my camp”. If I were in the US I’m sure I’d have registered as Independent.
        
        But if we want to tote up Russian influenced US politicians I’d say Trump (natch), Rand Paul, Gabbard and Yang. I don’t think Sinema leans Russian, she just leans Sinema.
        
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        October 12, 2022 3:27pm
- fernglas
  
  The article suggests that CNN will lose because they will not be able to prove that the elections were not a fraud. Arse backward, I’m afraid. It will be for Trump to prove that the elections were a fraud. Bet you anything he won’t be able to. Just another autocratic bully boy, just like his Russian idol.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:20am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Zero chance of CNN losing this one. This issue is fully covered by the First Amendment and the relevant Supreme Court decisions.
    There is no way the Supreme Court, even as presently constituted, would allow a success on something like this. Trump’s suit goes way too close to gutting the First Amendment and completely stifling debate on a key political issue.
    
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    October 12, 2022 6:20pm
- virtualmark
  
  Trump’s suit of CNN is performance art, and will go nowhere. It’s only purpose is to give the Trumpkins a buzz … which clearly it’s done with Steve Otto.
  
  Legally it has little or no chance. CNN has all the legal high ground here.
  
  Politically it will also go nowhere, because discovery would be lit. For example, can you imagine CNN’s teams of lawyers deposing Trump under oath about whether he lies?
  
  Trump has years of history of filing lawsuits to get a headline, and then dropping them once the initial publicity has gone through.
  
  I’m amazed he hasn’t been classified as a vexatious litigant by now (where, based on his history of pointless suits he would need a judge’s permission before filing any further new suits).
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dreamer
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:32am
  - Nickc2
    
    virtualmark, you need to see a doctor urgently. You’re showing all the symptoms of verbal diarrhea.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:37am
    - GT Build
      
      He has overdosed on the cindy koolaid
      
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      October 12, 2022 11:10am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Mark Virtual gets all his legal info from his fellow useful idiots who are the amateur armchair lawyers on Twitter.
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:15pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Shrug. The usual Trump shills, with half-inch deep knowledge and analysis.
    
    Go read what Trump is suing CNN over, and then ask yourself what questions might Trump face from CNN’s lawyers under oath in a deposition. Then come back and tell me if you think this lawsuit will go anywhere.
    
    As far as I know Trump has only been deposed under oath one time. By Timothy O’Brien in 2007, after Trump sued O’Brien for libel. It did not go well for Donald. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-06-12/trump-s-history-of-lies-according-to-biographer-timothy-o-brien I doubt Trump will want to go through a similar experience with CNN.
    
    But it got you idiots amped up, which was its true purpose.
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:30pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Oh, and how come Trump has only been deposed under oath the one time?
      
      Because his multitude of lawsuits never go anywhere. He withdraws them after the initial publicity value has gone. Because pressing on with the suits carries both legal risk and legal invoices.
      
      It’s all a con. But you idiots fall for it so he keeps doing it. You’re just monkeys in the con. You’d have happily flown on Trump Airlines to a Trump Casino to eat Trump Steaks and sign up for a course at Trump University. And he laughs at you all the way to his bank. If you turned up at Mar a Lago he wouldn’t give you the time of day. But you prostrate yourself before the orange God because he says mean things about the people you don’t like.
      
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      October 12, 2022 12:59pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Hmm, I’d lighten up a little bit about the half inch deep stuff. Firstly, the defamation arises from the 2016 election as well as the 2020 election. “After the 2016 election, various members of the Democratic party gave numerous televised statements claiming the 2016 election was illegitimate. This included suggestions about Russian interference causing President Trump to win the election and regular referrals to President Trump being an ‘illegitimate’ President,” the notice says. “CNN repeatedly allowed for assertions that President Trump was illegitimately elected to go largely unchallenged, including statements made by Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Jimmy Carter, Jerry Nadler, John Lewis, Dianne Feinstein, Marcia Fudge, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz.” and further on the 2020 election “claiming that the network’s use of referring to Trump’s claims about the election as “the big lie” are also defamatory, as it suggests that the former president is willfully misleading the public, rather than stating what he believes to be true.“In this instance, President Trump’s comments are not lies: He subjectively believes that the results of the 2020 presidential election turned on fraudulent voting activity in several key states. Furthermore, the repeated characterization of President Trump lying was distinctly at odds with CNN’s treatment of individuals claiming President Trump’s 2016 was ‘illegitimate’ or based upon ‘Russian interference,” So, even if the depose him, they can only do so on matter pertaining to the defamation. In my very humble opinion, CNN might have a spot of bother. It won’t be the first time lately.
      
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      October 12, 2022 1:38pm
      - virtualmark
        
        I’ll stand by my take that this lawsuit will go nowhere.
        
        It’s a civil case, so the burden of proof is on Trump. CNN has a number of legal defences open to it. Trump will not want to be deposed. And CNN will be able to out-spend him.
        
        Pragmatically, there may be a “settlement” because that’s the nature of dropping a civil case. But I’ll be surprised if that settlement includes any financial payment from CNN to Trump, or if there’s any apology let alone admission.
        
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        October 12, 2022 2:04pm
      - virtualmark
        
        IVV,
        
        Yours was a thoughtful comment, so let me give a longer thoughtful reply.
        
        I see “Trump sues CNN” within a broader context of Fox News et al being sued by Dominion and Smartmatic. I totally expect Hannity, Tucker, Judge Judy, Mike Lindell etc (who have all already been deposed in those suits) are calling Trump saying things along the lines of “This is so unfair. The other side (CNN) lies, and someone needs to call them to account”. So you end up with Trump suing CNN as lawfare.
        
        Let’s set aside for a moment whether Fox or CNN has lied or not, or who lied the most, or … forgetaboutit.
        
        The difficulty is that Trump is a politician, a public person, whereas Dominion and Smartmatic are private companies. The law gives the media far more leeway in its statements, comments and opinions about public politicians than it gives the media about its statements, comments and opinions about private companies and private individuals.
        
        So CNN has far stronger legal defences against Trump than Fox/OAN/Lindell have against Dominion/Smartmatic. To the extent that I don’t expect Trump can or will prevail here. I think AllOnRed has commented on this in previous days too. For sure, if Trump wants to truly fight this he’s going to take some big hits to himself and to his wallet.
        
        I do expect though that Dominion & Smartmatic do have a strong case that will be tough to escape from, because the law holds you much tighter when talking about non-public entities.
        
        I don’t know where the CNN suit is at. I expect CNN will move to have it dismissed. May well succeed. If they don’t then it will move to discovery. Which will be lit.
        
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        October 12, 2022 3:16pm
      - Nickc2
        
        virtualmark @ 3:16PM
        Win, lose or draw in the courts, Trump will win in the court of public opinion because it is mid-term election season and Trump’s lawyers will perform better on the world stage than CNN’s.
        US justice is all about ‘best in show’ rather than guilt or innocence.
        
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        October 12, 2022 7:20pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Nickc2,
        
        Trump’s lawyers are bottom-of-the-barrel types. There’s years of history of Trump (a) not taking his lawyers’ best legal advice and (b) not paying his legal bills. And he’s now toxic to the big firms because working for him would torpedo their relationships with too many other clients, sour the relationship with their staff, and stop their recruitment. Added to which Trump’s lawyers keep needing to get their own lawyers.
        
        So he can’t get high quality representation any more. Which is how Trump finds himself with lawyers like Alina Habba, who was a New Jersey parking garage lawyer.
        
        Methinks you spend too much time listening to Trump’s lawyers speak on Fox News. Court is not like Fox News. In court you have to speak the truth, and you have to have a logically and factually accurate argument. When Trump’s arguments have actually made it to court it hasn’t gone well for him … for example https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/09/trump-2016-russia-clinton/
        
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        October 12, 2022 7:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Three Waters will become a financial mill-stone around the neck of NZ taxpayers if it ever goes ahead.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-three-waters-and-one-mountain-of-debt
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October 12, 2022 8:05am
- Ruahine
  
  Thomas Cranmer is really across all of this three-waters deceit and deception. He has had a number of very good posts on his own website where he pulls the whole stinking mess apart.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:13am
  - unaha-closp
    
    The Water NZ conference is on in Christchurch next week with Nanaia Mahuta delivering the opening speech. Maybe she’ll take questions?
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:57am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Its a potion pill type tactic – make it to difficult and expensive to unwind.
  
  Labour and their supporting party The Greens sure know how to get their way – our way or we wreck everything.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wreck everything is called “spite”
    The left can turn very very nasty when throwing the toys out of the cot.
    
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    October 12, 2022 9:32am
  - Cassandra
    
    Why “difficult and expensive”? Unless the Councils have got rid – physically – of all the staff it will be simple. No need to pay out Mahuta, Parliament is sovereign. National should tell the 3 Waters staff that there’ll be no redundancy.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:48am
- Cassandra
  
  It’s a political millstone around Labour’s neck right now. Hope they’re steadfast – it’ll doom them.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:40am
- Nickc2
  
  Megan Woods intimated on the Hosking show this morning on TalkBack ZB that it was going to go ahead before the next election.
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:34am
krazykiwi

UN & the unelected WEF signed a cosy agreement to accelerate forcing through the 2030 Agenda on its 193 member states, with no democratic mandate from citizens. The video says it all.

Anyone concerned yet?

Anyone believe tossing Ardern’s Labour to the political kerbside will change this?

Mr Luxon: Any comment on New Zealand’s continuing participation in Agenda 2030?
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October 12, 2022 8:09am
- Simon
  
  Luxon lol – Arden demands a silent and obedient world and Luxon is giving it a go.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:14am
  - cjn
    
    Ardern’s speech at the UN against free speech is the subject of Neil Oliver’s Youtube and her innocent explanation is the subject of a meme this evening on Youtube. New Zealand is making it in the big wide world.
    
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    October 12, 2022 7:59pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  This is the next battle in the war on democracy. Let’s hope many more people realise this is happening and it is not a “conspiracy theory”.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:28am
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, just because we signed UN Agenda 2030, doesn’t mean we have to honour it. Maori signed the ToW and they are not honouring that and they want to change it. Different strokes for different folks?
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    On the face of it any attempt to enforce UNAgenda 2030 is a breach of of ToW.
    
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    October 12, 2022 1:15pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Technically we didn’t sign Agenda 2030. It was “ADOPTED WITHOUT VOTE”. Reference here. Even the pretense of democracy is dropped so the assumption of unanimity of support is assumed.
    
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    October 12, 2022 1:30pm
    - Nickc2
      
      TKS for that. I wasn’t in NZ when that happened.
      
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      October 12, 2022 1:37pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      BTW, if you want to read the actual Agenda 2030 declaration, it is downloadble as a PDF from here. Lofty sounding commitments, but in truth these are further empowering the snake-in-the-grass UN towards its world government goals.
      
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      October 12, 2022 2:26pm
- emmess
  
  The new Canadian opposition leader Pierre Poilievre would ban ministers from attending the WEF
  
  https://thenationaltelegraph.com/national/pierre-poilievre-says-he-would-ban-federal-ministers-from-attending-world-economic-forum
  
  Christopher Luxon, do you have any clue whats going on?
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    Poilievre is a rising star.
    
    I expect him to be unpersonned/ cancelled / be given the Trump treatment.
    
    The UN/WEF/EU / tech billionaire/ global warming benficiaries have too much to lose.
    
    That’s why the tech billionaires and Wall st teamed up with the far left to “save” the election.
    
    The stakes are huge . Democracy itself is endangered.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:57am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I have never heard Luxon mention WEF , Cindy loves it, why Luxon is thrown into is beyond me, only one party appears to be heading down that line, snd Nats are opposed to all things that appear to be WEF
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:47am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I wondered if the mention of your great and imminent saviour might rouse you, G.
    
    193 nations – New Zealand included – adopted Agenda 2030 on 25/09/2015. National was in office.
    
    Luxon silence is support for this.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:38am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That had nothing to do with the way this rotten regime is running the country, they sign the indigenous people act, but nothing had been determined to what would finally be signed off.
      I don’t have a saviour you smug fool, we have two choices, Luxon as PM or continuing with the worst government in history by far and Cindy, poke your nose out of my opinion, if you want Cindy then you are a fool, otherwise you are trouble maker
      
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      October 12, 2022 11:17am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Sorry G. The ‘smug fool’ is the person who believes replacing Ardern with Luxon will lead to a material change in our country’s direction of travel.
        
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        October 12, 2022 1:33pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    G: I was at a meeting in Nthn Waikato recently where the Nat’s and ACT people (including D Seymour) scoffed at the mention of WEF plans as “conspiracy theory”. Scary the naivety of them all.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:12pm
- Jim
  
  Agree kk, I’m not so sure corporate pony Luxon will be any different.
  
  OMG in the video, can I see the B&MGF educated journalists of the 21st century recalling their teachings…….Trump, Brexit and Putin double BAD, Thunberg, Von de Leyen and Trudeau double GOOD.
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:33am
Maggie Pie

An interesting thread….

Wonder how long the media is going to keep ignoring Dr Gaurav Sharma?

https://twitter.com/maz_righthand/status/1579714162724605952
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October 12, 2022 8:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  As long as Brenda tells them to? That’s how it works for everything else!
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:28am
  - Jim
    
    Yep that’ll certainly be the PM’s explicit brief to her press dogs (corporate media management team)
    
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    October 12, 2022 8:02pm
- peterwn
  
  Nothing to report on now as far as left leaning journos are concerned. He has been neutralised and will be deselected as a Labour candidate in 2023. No messy byelection which National might win. At least he has a *REAL* job to go back to.
  Suspect Paul Eagle is also in political limbo until the 2023 election and will be hoping for a desktop publishing job post election.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I hope he continues to be a thorn in Labours’ side.
  Next year Dr Gaurav Sharma, next year give them hell! I am sure he will retain Hamilton West. I grew up there (sshhhh) I know friends there who thing highly of him.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:56am
  - RoboRob
    
    Well, whilst I love that Sharma is a thorn in Labours side, I recall that he is a left wing politician with the opposite world view to me (and most on this list).
    
    I would love for him to stay on in Hamilton west and split the left vote and allow a right wing poly in. Having Sharma back in parliament as an independant will acheive nothing.
    
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    October 12, 2022 9:23am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The only way he would retain Ham West is stand for Nats, he won’t win as independent, and he wouldn’t win with Labour
    
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    October 12, 2022 9:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Maybe he will switch. National don’t have any bullies.//
      
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      October 12, 2022 10:34am
      - leoj
        
        Why switch to National when the Nats are agreeing with much of what Labour is doing.
        No push back on the mandates.
        No pushback on the fart tax.
        Agreeing with Jaspinda to not speak with the protesters.
        National are treading water, going nowhere in the polls because they are a bunch of spineless wokesters.
        
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        October 12, 2022 11:52am
      - Ghost
        
        Listening to luxon on the farming show they don’t support it and the media last night didn’t play what they were saying against it
        
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        October 12, 2022 12:11pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  M.Pie – Dr Sharma is yesterday’s news. Cindy said so. Move on will ya?
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:24am
  - Ghost
    
    And Cindy is tomorrow’s fish n chip paper
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:32am
    - oldfella
      
      Ghost: from fish n chip wrapper to fish n chip paper. That’s quite some career arc for Cindy.
      Did she do anything significant in between? //
      
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      October 12, 2022 11:43am
      - Ghost
        
        Dictator?
        
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        October 12, 2022 11:57am
      - Paulus
        
        From her recent speech at the UN in the UK The Times have taken her to the cleaners and called her a Tyrant.
        
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        October 12, 2022 1:39pm
hullkiwi

Wellington, where the woke rule and the police are impotent/incompetent.

Why are the police so inept that they can’t round up a miserable rent a mob bunch of nutters blocking a road?
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October 12, 2022 8:15am
- RoboRob
  
  Becuase their paymasters support the cause?
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:24am
- rouppe
  
  It’s the malaise that infects the whole Justice system.
  
  An offender is treated as though nothing happened before they were arrested, and all efforts and concessions are then directed at that offender, virtually nothing at the victim.
  
  Same here. Protesters are blocking the motorway into town and causing massive disruption. Now people have the right to protest, and I’d never look to limit that. But again, protests shouldn’t extend to preventing people going about their lawful business.
  
  So rather than ask, and cajole, and all that softly softly stuff, just scoop then up and dump them in a skip until they can be dealt with off site
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Plod does not want to face assault charges from schoolteachers protesting.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:35am
- kowtow
  
  Cuddles called it ‘policing by consent’ in a perversion of the Peel Principles.
  
  But that has become the consent of the criminal classes not the law abiding majority .
  
  The world has been turned on its head.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:59am
Ra Henare

Posted this later last night
Figured I should repeat it for you daytime readers

With all the Climate Change emergency nonsense, with hysterical comments like Manhattan will be 20ft underwater. The seal level rises will destroy(insert place of your choice)

We have a great example of rationally handling rising sea levels/falling land levels by the Dutch who have been building dykes since the middle ages.!!!!

http://dutchdikes.net/history/

So instead of wasting hundreds of $billions annually on reducing emission which may or may not bring global destruction
Maybe invest in mitigation!! At least that will be a positive use of the money.

https://unherd.com/thepost/bjorn-lomborg-7-myths-about-climate-change/

I have great faith in human innovation.
Remember that most things we use on a daily basis to may our lives better/easier were not around 30 years ago!
Internet
Cheap and efficient LED Lights
Smartphones
I am sure you can think of others

Should I also mention they were all NOT developed by government bodies.
OK call me out re GPS a defense invention.

The usage today however of GPS is in the Commercial sphere.

So why are Government spending gazillions by imposing taxes and restrictions.

Surely a few billion “prize money”” for solutions to mitigate the so called Climate Crisis would be money well spent and also get the Government out of our ferking lives.
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October 12, 2022 8:16am
- Taieri
  
  So why are Government spending gazillions by imposing taxes and restrictions
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  There’s a word for it:
  STUPIDITY.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:28am
  - Random T Person
    
    Funnily enough Taieri, you couldn’t be more wrong. As Thomas Sowell has told us, look to the incentives of the participants. If you don’t consider their incentives, they will most certainly appear stupid.
    Their incentives make their actions everything BUT stupid. Were they to do otherwise, THAT would be stupid.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:09am
- rouppe
  
  Agree.
  
  The sea level has risen over 120m since the last ice age. I’m sure there are plenty of species that have been displaced in the years 20,000-1,000 years ago.
  
  That melting has revealed fossils that shows that the ice age destroyed arable and temperate areas. Pretty sure they weren’t happy about it then either
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    If the seas hadn’t risen , we’d be sprechen ze deutche .
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:02am
- Ra Henare
  
  If Jacinda and the Greens really want to reduce emissions yet give the Country all teh energy it needs to prosper then perhaps Oliver Stones new doco should be taken seriously
  
  Would beat the hell out of whacking taxes on farmers.
  
  https://variety.com/2022/film/reviews/nuclear-review-oliver-stone-1235398384/
  
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  October 12, 2022 3:09pm
I remember when

Thank goodness for censorship.
It is only because of the actions of various governments that I have learned how dangerous an alternative point of view can be.
Imagine the difficulties if we had to consider competing points of view every time governments wanted to pass legislation.
Who knew that a ‘Twitter’ was the sound of satisfaction of being able to totally control all points of view.
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October 12, 2022 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It takes energy to think for yourself.
  
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/thinking-hard-calories/
  
  So much easier to let someone else do all the hard mahi.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What the hell is ‘mahi’?
    Stick to one language.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:02am
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      It’s cool to korero…
      
      Welcome to Aotearoa!!!
      
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      October 12, 2022 10:59am
      - kowtow
        
        Drink the Kool Aid .
        
        Welcome to Jonestown.
        
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        October 12, 2022 11:03am
Tony Stuart

So a regulator alleges an organisation of “serious wrongdoing” in spending charitable donations on political campaigns, and all they get is a warning?

A Charities Services investigation into hundreds of thousands of charitable dollars donated for John Tamihere’s political campaigning resulted in an allegation of “serious wrongdoing” and the issuing of a formal warning notice to Waipareira.

Tamihere is chief executive of major west Auckland education and social services charity Te Whānau o Waipareira.

He was also an unsuccessful candidate in 2019 for the Auckland mayoralty, and was co-leader and candidate for the Māori Party during the 2020 general election. This year he became that party’s president.

He said the warning notice was being contested.

Last month the Herald reported that Waipareira, and the National Urban Māori Authority of which Tamihere is also chief executive, had “endorsed” his tilts for public office and advanced $468,002 in “sponsorship payments” or no-interest loans.

A Charities Services investigation sparked by a donation from Waipareira to Tamihere’s 2019 mayoral campaign resulted in the issuing of a formal warning notice in late 2020 after Charities Services determined the payment amounted to serious wrongdoing.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/regulator-alleges-waipareira-donation-was-serious-wrongdoing/WXZAHYQQXOBYP5TRZHKOWNKIA4/

Is it any wonder that there’s so much abuse of political donations regimes when, time after time, there are no consequences for offending?
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October 12, 2022 8:18am
- Cassandra
  
  This is extraordinary. Clearly, charities may not make political donations, yet Tamihere persists in saying Maoris can. A taste of co-governance. Tamihere is giving Maoris a bad name. As is of course the Mahuta Family and the Maori Party. Gambino people looking like model citizens.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:44am
  - pdm
    
    Cassandra – it becomes clearer by the day.
    
    New Zealand is no longer a `one rule (or law) for all’ country.
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:46pm
    - Nickc2
      
      …. and all was achieved in the space of fewer than five years.
      A remarkable achievement really considering they haven’t achieved anything else eh?
      
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      October 12, 2022 1:26pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        What a pantload. Maoris have been treated differently and preferentially a great deal longer than five years. Labour, National, what’s the difference? [Mod – stop with the silly nicknames pkease]
        
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        October 12, 2022 3:33pm
- Nickc2
  
  If it was a White Charity and a White Mayoral Candidate, the Charities Commission would be referring this outrageous transgression to the SFO.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:45am
  - Cassandra
    
    Agree. They are certainly taking their time over this. Mind you, they are as slow as a wet week. I have direct experience of this – a minor bureaucratic molehill turned into a monster and then after a year or more Not Guilty! Turned out the molehill wasn’t even a molehill. Cost? About 💲100,000. Plus lawyers etc. yet this Tamihere matter is clearly unlawful. Except 3 of the Supremes reckon we need to look at tikanga, so hold all bets.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:55am
- herb1
  
  “ Go jump in the lake white man” was Tamiheres response to a question from a Herald reporter.
  Imagine the uproar if white was replaced by black and the statement was aimed at Tamihere.
  We have all got used to Maori for years holding out their hands for redress and money for treaty and deprivation issues.
  We all have differing opinions on this. But now Maori instead of holding out their hands are presenting their fists.
  Where do they go from here and is the constant talk from Government about co governance and treaty redress encouraging more belligerence.
  We’ve already had Tame Iti trying to make an armed response what happens next?
  Until Maori stop electing the angry dregs of their race to “ lead “ them and go for the likes of Ian Taylor and other successful Maori, we’re on a slippery slope and with 83% of the population not Maori, there’s real trouble brewing
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    Tamahere’s finest hour was when he walked away from the Clark Government and called most of the Labour Party Women – FRONT BUMS!!!!!
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:48pm
- AndyW
  
  And, Tamihere, the racist: “Contacted with detailed questions about the letter and the allegation of “serious wrongdoing”… the entirety of Tamihere’s response to the Herald was: “Go jump in the Lake, White man! [sic]”.
  Sweet Baby Jesus, imagine if a white politician had responded like this.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Funnily enough , Tammy’s a pretty pale shade of brown .
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:05am
Simon

Pfizer director admits ‘vaccine’ wasn’t tested for transmissibility.

Pfizer ‘vaccine’ wasn’t intended to prevent transmission.

Politicians and MSM spread misinformation.

Vaccine mandates/passports were immoral, unscientific, and should’ve been illegal.

https://twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1579781402396348416?cxt=HHwWgMDSiZi0wewrAAAA
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October 12, 2022 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Pfizer ‘vaccine’ wasn’t intended to prevent transmission.”
  Therefore, it was not a vaccine full stop. It was experimental medication for socialist control; all to see how long before the masses pushed back. Trouble is, some died who should not have died.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:54am
DeepBlue

Luxon posted last night ‘National would also allow farmers to earn credit for all forms of on-farm carbon capture.’

If ALL means any riparian planting, any planting less than 1 hectare, and grass paddocks, then the reaction over the next few days is going to be very interesting.

No one seems to have reported this yet.
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October 12, 2022 8:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Read his article on Newshub today, he told Ryan Nats can not support this kicking farmers, he said emissions reduction should be farmer led and not cost farmer’s money
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:01am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Took a look. The article didn’t mention the credit for ALL forms of on farm carbon capture. So it hasn’t been picked up yet in writing.
    
    Ryan did say in the actual interview the government will probably move on this point.
    
    To me it is quite a critical point.
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:40pm
Frank the tank

Enjoy your lamb folks over the next couple of years.

It will be a luxury akin to caviar soon only to be served to the political/economic/bureaucrat elite soon.

The working class will have to settle for Chinese Pork injected with water for their protein.

Well done Te Reo – looks like you are finally reading the room on this woke green elite garbage.
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October 12, 2022 8:25am
- Flossie
  
  It’s been a long while since we have been able to enjoy lamb already – in this household at least. If meat across the board gets too much more expensive we will be having to become full time vegetarians.
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:03am
I remember when

What a funny world.
In Wellington protestors are disrupting road traffic because of a desire for increased rail.
In Auckland rail transport is being disrupted with users protesting about it.
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October 12, 2022 8:43am
- hullkiwi
  
  There is a major back story to the problems in Auckland. It all started with a train falling of a broken rail on the approach to Britomart Station in 2018. Shows what happens when you run vehicles over the same track multiple times and do no maintenance.
  
  The issue is unless track is shut for significant periods of time significant track replacement and reballasting of the track is not going to occur.
  
  Unfortunately, KiwiRail were not organised to do that work plus the work on the NIML to Whangarei at the same time during the lockdowns. Perhaps Jaspinda needs to co-ordinate her thinking with govt agencies next time. sarc//
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Re Jaspinda. Not sarc. I don’t think she knows what a train is ffs.
    
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    October 12, 2022 9:57am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Uneducated idiots, every last one of them. It’s their only excuse. Anyone who thinks it is possible to come up with a cheap, clean, environmentally “friendly” system of transportation, heating cooking etc (you know all those inconvenient things that got us the lifestyles we have enjoyed for a while) is an idiot.
  Energy cannot be created for free. It cannot be created or destroyed. It can only be transformed. It’s the first law of thermodynamics and the climate “science” zealots conveniently like to ignore this actual science.
  Electricity has to be created somehow. There is a cost in that creation, physical and environmental. It is a fact the green ideologues like to conveniently ignore.
  Just to highlight something here, I walk the walk and talk the talk more than 99.9% of these morons protesting. I live fully off grid, including my power and water. I have no connection to the main infrastructure. I still have my 60″ TV and my beer fridge thank you. I am not talking from a political corner, I’m talking reality.
  
  Somebody had to mine the materials to make the things to create the electricity that keep my beer cold and my TV running. I have to cut trees to burn the wood to keep me warm and to heat food in the winter. My solar hot water still never ceases to astonish me, but it was made in China from numerous materials, the origin of which I have no idea. Undoubtedly mined by someone somewhere, I didn’t check to see how “green” this process was.
  
  I am likely to need a new set of batteries in the next couple of years. Someone will take the old ones away, all 600kg of them and I’m sure will do something “environmentally friendly” with them. No doubt…….
  
  The Green movement has startling similarities to the covidian cultists. A refusal to even consider their might be an alternative point of view and an almost religious belief that the science is “settled”. That is beyond stupid, it is very, very dangerous for multiple reasons. People with that closed mindset become delusional and dangerous. Glueing their hands to paintings and pouring excrement over monuments to old heroes is just a taste of what these nutbars are capable of.
  
  As with covid, we need open debate and discussion. As with covid, if that debate is permitted it can easily be shown that their argument is extremely flawed, that platitudes and sound bites about “net zero by 2050” are political marketing slogans not based on any reality on planet earth.
  
  Net zero without catastrophic harm to most people on earth is not remotely possible. Probably requiring a population decline of 5 or 6 billion.
  These poor, deluded ideologues who support the net zero lunacy haven’t thought past the end of the year let alone considered the future awaiting their children and grandchildren.
  
  Apologies for what became a bit of a rant. But it stuns me that seemingly educated people can be so stupid. It was the same with covid. It can only be due to a rotten education system which has become more about indoctrinating ideology than actually educating. It has put the planet, and the west in particular in a very precarious position.
  I’m into my 60s, it isn’t likely to have to devastating an impact on me, but our children and grandchildren deserve better.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I just can’t even imagine what sort of World my great grandkids will live in.
    Don’t have any yet, maybe grandkids should get sterilised to save the pain their kids will bear?
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:01am
  - Ra Henare
    
    https://variety.com/2022/film/reviews/nuclear-review-oliver-stone-1235398384/
    
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    October 12, 2022 3:18pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Good post, CM.
    
    Like you, I think that the end game for the Greens is a massive global population crash. Of course, they don’t see themselves as suffering. Look at their local co-leader, Ms Davidson, with six kids. She either doesn’t think things through or thinks it’ll be different for her offspring.
    
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    October 12, 2022 9:39pm
nathie

About Labour’s consultation document on farming emissions.

Can we please have the MSM question the Govt on the future price increases for consumers, that will result?

Eg $10 for a bottle of milk? $30-40 for a 1kg block of cheese? Gasp … $20 for a latte at the cafe? $100 for 1kg of decent steak? $20 for a BigMac?

Because if farming costs go up, so will the prices for consumers. That’s what happens (it’s not complicated)!

Which means the poor, low income (and the middle income) will be poorer as a result, both financially and in terms of diet.

But wait there’s more, because of these price increases the Govt will of course see an increasing tax take …. added bonus for Grant Robertson (assuming Labour win the next election! No wonder he is rubbing his hands with glee, surely)!

So can we have some investigation please (and questions to the PM) about the increased cost of living that will result, making dairy products mostly affordably otherwise a luxury for Kiwi’s?

And what about the by-products of farming, affecting the likes of pharmaceuticals and their R&D?

Remember food production is not meant to be impacted by International Climate Change policy, so why is James Shaw and Jacinda Ardern killing of the Primary sector and making the cost of living unbearable for all NZ’ers?

Otherwise honestly who cares about being “world leading” and shooting Kiwi’s in their feet?

This madness needs to be scrapped … confirmed after listening to James Shaw’s trainwreck of an interview with Mike Hosking this morning – it’s utter ideological madness, with absolutely no consideration of the impacts on people (that are not as well off as the high earning urban liberal elite political class that can afford to virtue signal and bask in the glow of being “world leading”)!
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October 12, 2022 8:45am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The dishonest, disingenuous, lying, corrupt, bought-and-paid-for MSM in this country continues to lie like a flat-fish. This morning they’re suggesting that the inevitable cost increases will “be absorbed” by all the other people in the supply chain, patronisingly suggesting we don’t buy a lamb and eat it by the roadside.
  
  This is of course BS, every other person in the supply chain will increase their costs, by way of the same percentage markup they add now. If it costs more at the farm gate, it will be a lot more expensive by the time it gets to my dinner plate.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:25am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Main thing is Nats are saying they won’t support this, thank god it doesn’t happen till 2025
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:02am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    National’s position is a bit more nuanced than simply being opposed. National supports He Waka Eke Noa as it was presented by the organisation.
    
    Will the consultation essentially bring the proposals back to the original He Waka Eke Noa proposition without the governments’s changes? I suspect yes, in which case National will accept them.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:41am
    - Flossie
      
      What on earth does Waka Eke Noa mean?
      
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      October 12, 2022 11:08am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Tax grabbing leftie scum, that’s what it means
        
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        October 12, 2022 11:20am
      - nathie
        
        Oh that’s nothing, any idea what “Te tātai utu o ngā tukunga ahuwhenua” is about?
        
        Well that’s Labour’s loose translation of “Pricing Agricultural Emissions”.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130126891/nz-farmers-set-to-pay-for-emissions-by-2025-in-worldfirst-climate-plan
        
        It’s both deceptive and insulting to Maori, Pakeha, Asians etc to be appropriating Maori phrases to disguise what disruptions Labour are devising. (I say insulting because “honkey” Labour are using Maori terminology without any consultation with them and enabling a backlash against them).
        
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        October 12, 2022 11:38am
      - MCōs
        
        Primary Sector Climate Action Partnership
        
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        October 12, 2022 11:43am
      - Dougal10
        
        It means we are a group set up to provide a different way of taxing farmers than the horrible one that james shaw and david parker proposed . Then the group started fighting amongst themselves as to who would win and pay the least tax, which is exactly what the slippery pricks that set it up wanted to happen
        
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        October 12, 2022 3:35pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Not according to Luxon this morning, he said we can’t except this
      
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      October 12, 2022 11:19am
      - Observer of Life
        
        G: Remember, politicians say anything to get into power. National do have form.
        
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        October 13, 2022 7:37am
  - leoj
    
    That’s not what Mark Mitchell said this morning.
    
    There is no pushback.
    
    National agree with the burp and fart tax.
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So there will be peasants and the corrupt ruling elite?
  Wait – we already have that.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:03am
- Nickc2
  
  Should this bill be passed, James Shaw should eternally be known as the man who single-handedly killed off Agriculture in NZ and its primary income source in the process.
  You can forget all the rest of his wanky Green Party, they’re more interested in supporting foreign terrorist groups.
  IMO, he’s doing all this to support his rather temporary position as Co-Leader of the Greens.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:58am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  According to the waste of money that was the climate change report, the effect of dropping methane emissions will basically be nil. Oddly, not a lot of comment is made about it (/s), but there is a wee graph in the doc that shows the methane we emit apparently warms the globe by something less than 0.0001’C.
  My memory is a bit hazy about the exact number, but it’s in that order.
  And this is according to people who clearly think there’s a problem that needs to be solved.
  
  There
  is
  no
  climate
  emergency.
  The government are ruining our lives. They are not our friends.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:58am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  To pay higher food prices, benefits will need to increase for both the indolent and the working poor, thereby creating even greater dependency on the Govt.
  
  Clever old Labour, building their support base, one fix after another.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:44pm
Maggie Pie

So, Hon Nanania Mahuta on ZB earlier saying….

“The new trade bans and sanctions being placed on Russia aren’t designed to disrupt New Zealanders”

Tried buying Volzhenka Caviar lately?

FFS!!
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October 12, 2022 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just have Sago, and pretend
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:59am
- Harry Knuts
  
  you must be going into withdrawals Maggie! LOL
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:11am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Swap to Almas Maggie, you will feel the benefit.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:26am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Mahuta saying “we’ll make a small fuss, which everyone will ignore, as long as it doesn’t disrupt New Zealanders.
  
  Quite apart from the cowardice of such a stance, the irony and hypocrisy are incredible. She’s been doing very little other than disrupting New Zealanders, and means to do a hell of a lot more disrupting.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nania Mugabe
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Is Volzhenka Caviar the latest Hangi Cooked delicacy on the Waikato-Tainui, Ngāti Maniapoto and Ngāti Manu Maraes?
  “Would that be sit down or take-away Nanaia?”
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:07am
- rangitoto
  
  You just need Azeri friends if you want caviar.
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:42am
- MCōs
  
  Look on the bright side.
  You’ll be able to pick up a cheap super yacht somewhere & hire some people to sail straight back into the Wynyard Quarter.
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:49am
igm

Will these deadbeats be called “Rivers of Filth” by Ardern and her taxpayer-funded MSM?
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October 12, 2022 8:49am
- igm
  
  Forgot main driver to the above . . .
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300710425/dragged-their-sign-off-them-rush-hour-protesters-anger-wellingtonians
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Give me back my sign, give me back my sign”
    Only a special type of dropkick superglues their hand to the road.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They are as mad as meat axes. These people walk among us, look at this complete and utter insane woman. She’s the ultimate covidiot, the kids had a lemonade stand and she stole their money because she is terrified that they are vectors for a deadly diseases.
    These people have potential to be as rational as suicide bombers and I am not joking one little bit. They are totally mad.
    
    https://twitter.com/prof_freedom/status/1579079086873317377?s=20&t=akM9PaTDA7Cs5_fv0usa2Q&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:09am
    - Harry Knuts
      
      neurotic would sum this woman up. FFS it’s just lemonade! She needs serious therapy.
      
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      October 12, 2022 12:00pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Clan: Geeesus.. that is a very sad and pathetic female who has clearly lost the plot. Hope she doesn’t have kids!
      
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      October 13, 2022 7:45am
kowtow

Front page of Herald .

Farmers will pay for emissions . No they won’t, the full cost will be passed on to consumers . If as is the case for much of their wonderful product it is exported , then our exports become more expensive and less competitive .

Who are the geniuses who come up with these inflationary and destructive policies.

In the same paper today is a piece on Pakistan wanting to sue rich countries because Pakistan is overpopulated and builds on flood plains , that surprise surprise , flood .

Time to stop all this climate catastrophism , blame game , neo Marxist guilt trip rent seeking rubbish and simply enjoy the holocene.
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October 12, 2022 8:57am
- hullkiwi
  
  Simple, it is the brain child of academics at Victoria University, feeding James Shaw and the Green Party.
  
  The interview this morning between Ryan Bridge and Damian O’connor was telling, in that O’connor was clueless as to what the impacts of the policies would be on farming in NZ, gas emissions in NZ or impacts on global emissions. However, O’connor assured viewers there had been models produced, but he could not guarantee if the models are providing reliable results. In other words, it is all GIGO!
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:18am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    It will increase global emissions as less efficient producers grab the market share that New Zealand gives up as production falls.
    
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    October 12, 2022 9:44am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      China will take up the slack
      
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      October 12, 2022 10:43am
  - Bob
    
    I would be interested to hear from O’Connor about the progress on the Genetically modified Ryegrass. developed in NZ but not available to NZ farmers.
    This ryegrass provided reduced methane from the cows, but was not allowed to be trialled on NZ farms as it was genetically modified during development at Massey College Grasslands Research and Ruakura Research. The grass is being used in USA to the benefit of USA farmers.
    Perhaps Oconnor can indicate when this ryegrass type will be available to NZ farmers.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That right there stinks, if grass can cut emissions it should be used, but u der this crazy scheme that reduction will not count.
      
      Hybrid tosses are GM end of greenie story
      
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      October 12, 2022 10:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Shaw is not happy, it’s Ardern show boating the un
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:03am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Just like the covid models. They were really accurate…..
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  These geniuses are the ones who can’t comprehend numbers and money.
  I’m all right Jack, keep your hands off my stack.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:11am
Handyman

Labours new tax on farmers.
1. Labour wants to set up a new tax mechanism on farmers. The rate of tax will be set by cabinet as they see fit. No need to change a law or consult parliament. You can just imagine the Green Party demands after the next election. It is a trap!
2. Methane is a relatively short-lived gas. It stays in the atmosphere for about 10 years. The New Zealand dairy herd peaked in 2014 and has been declining since then. That means methane emissions are not only reducing, but the absolute total amount of methane in the atmosphere is reducing. Methane molecules can have no effect on the weather if they simply do not exist.
3. Labour loves to be “world leading”. I shudder every time I see the headline. All it means it that no other country has been so stupid as to implement this policy.
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October 12, 2022 9:02am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Fonterra (85% of farmers) have just announced their farmer suppliers have reduced their methane emissions by 11% since 2017. Did you see that in the news???
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:17am
- Taieri
  
  What happens to the grass when it’s not eaten by the cows?
  It rots. One of the products of rotting is methane. Go figure!
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And becomes a fire risk like the whole South Island will become
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:46am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

Is the Caste-System entrenched even in New Zealand within our Indian Community?
Worrying stories like this do seem to pop up fairly regularly 🙁

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/129749503/auckland-builder-using-any-excuse-as-couple-wait-three-years-for-home-to-be-finished
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October 12, 2022 9:06am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Since they practice openly arranged marriages and the 2 go together you could easily conclude, yes, the caste-system is in fact alive and well in the NZ Indian community.
  I thought to myself this morning when I read the same article that you must be in a great position if you can afford a new build as your first home. Me, I had to buy an old holiday shack on the outskirts of Auckland when I bought my first.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:15am
- ISeeRed
  
  That’s the problem with mass immigration from dissimilar cultures. You import ancient feuds, ingrained prejudices, backward customs. We have enough issues of our own, thank you.
  
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  October 12, 2022 3:51pm
tedbear

How can you tax something that doesn’t exist?
It’s up to the local council to charge a farmer who’s polluting.
If the local council has just cause to believe a particular farmer is polluting the atmosphere, they’d require proof of diminished atmosphere quality from a certain date before a charge of atmosphere pollution can be brought before the Court.
So all local councils will need to employ experts to test the atmosphere above each farm (probably from drones) on at least a weekly basis.
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October 12, 2022 9:07am
- Taieri
  
  It’s up to the local council to charge a farmer who’s polluting
  ————–
  
  But is it really pollution?
  
  It’s a part of a normal carbon cycle. Does it really matter whether the methane comes from the rotting grass or out of the cows arse? It’s just a natural process. At least we can eat cow, but we can’t eat grass.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Greens eat grass, well I think they do. Something makes them stupid—–
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh it’s different when you live in a dictatorship, democracy has changed font you know, Vulgar little Willie said so
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:58am
Ghost

Two more females, this time kids, killed in iran

Teen girls, 16 and 17, beaten to death by Iranian police leaving one with crushed skull

Two teenage girls have died while in police custody in Iran, and their bodies returned to their families with severe head wounds, according to local humanitarian reports. Sarina Esmailzadeh, 16, and Nika Shakrami, 17, were both part of protests over the nation last week calling for women’s rights.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1678057/Iran-protests-two-teenage-girls-die-broken-skulls-police-death-womens-rights
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October 12, 2022 9:13am
- surfing
  
  Iran authorities will win this.
  
  Women are weaker, they will be dominated by the males.
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Corruption. The most powerful family in the US – the Bidens – China – Tony Bobulinski – FBI suppression. Tucker Carlson. How can the Bidens continue to get away with this?
https://valiantnews.com/2022/10/tucker-midterm-voters-can-repudiate-the-fbi-for-protecting-the-bidens-from-justice/?
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October 12, 2022 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  How ?
  
  A criminally compliant Media Pardy. And a huge Swamp.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That swamp is yuge – bigly. Quite possible it will never be drained.
    That goes for the NZ swamp as well.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  4 downticks, meaning 4 people in NZ think Bidens are squeaky clean
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:20am
  - MCōs
    
    No
    They’re Trump family supporters
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:51am
Ghost

I was reading this article yesterday about teenage rapist Jayden Meyer. It’s stuck with me over night. I don’t know if I can recall a convicted rapist coming out of court smiling for the camera. I don’t think this is the last we will see of this creep

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300709771/home-detention-sentence-for-rapist-contained-significant-errors-appeal-argues
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October 12, 2022 9:18am
- All_on_Red
  
  Interesting that the original Prosecutor has been thrown under the bus.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:14am
- Harry Knuts
  
  He was smiling as he only got homeD. Then again i doubt this will change his predator behaviour. The courts will see this guy again in years to come sadly. Bet he wouldn’t be smiling if he got prison.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

2020 absentee votes. Just taking out the trash. A key, fill up the cleansack and gone. Nothing to see here. 2020 was not stolen.
https://redrightvideos.com/watch-fraudsters-fill-trash-bag-full-with-absentee-ballots/
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October 12, 2022 9:22am
Lance

Just been watching the weedy little shits blocking the southbound motorway into Wellington (tv live images).
The blocked motorists started getting out of their cars and pushing them around, I think a few fists were not far off. The police arrive to save the ‘protesters’ and now it’s one big giant standoff.
Bloody pathetic, the cops look lame
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October 12, 2022 9:29am
- nathie
  
  Hope the elitist entitled hypocritical pricks aren’t preventing people getting to their medical appointments (or to give birth etc)?
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:58am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol, Lance, And you’ll be pleased to know that the police are “considering” charges against them.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:16am
  - nathie
    
    Charge them and they won’t do it again (don’t charge them and they will do it again), it’s that simple, but of course assuming the judge actually does their job and upholds the law …. hmm can we have the law changed to fire them if they don’t uphold the law?
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:31am
- kowtow
  
  Same in the UK . People are being forced , due to a lack of police and court action to take the law into their own hands .
  
  It won’t end well.
  
  All the Cops have to do is give one warning , Get off the King’s Highway . 10 seconds , then get out the pepper spray . The little fuckers won’t do it again.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:46am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They had plenty of practice in battering, shooting, pepper spraying and using sonic cannons on peaceful protesters doing far less and who weren’t disrupting traffic. What’s the difference here?
    
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    October 12, 2022 11:13am
    - kowtow
      
      Talking of differences , will we see the Media Pardy questioning their antics as causing disruption , anxiety and difficulties to the Wellington public , this was one very strongly pushed Media Pardy angle when the freedom folk were there.
      
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      October 12, 2022 1:29pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  protestors were handcuffed and put in the back of the paddy wagon off to the station. Just took them a while to get there. I was watching the same live footage and it took the cops 45mins at least to get there to take action.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:06pm
Maggie Pie

I can tell you what is a bit of a worry….. Jeffrey Dahmer looked like the sort of guy that had he invited me back to his flat for dinner I’d probably have gone.

Just saying.
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October 12, 2022 9:30am
- Ghost
  
  And you would of had a bloody good time….
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:32am
- All_on_Red
  
  Didnt he have an apartment connected to his Mothers house?
  You can imagine the conversations
  “Jeffrey, what’s all that screaming and banging?”
  “Jeffrey, what’s that terrible smell?”
  
  I saw a clip of Jordan Petersen talking about him. He said it was clear that Dahmer knew he was ‘not right’ and that he had to be put away.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:53am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    He started killing whilst living with his Grandma. He then got his own apartment where the neighbour repeatedly reported distressing smells and noises emanating from JD’s apartment both to the building manager and the police but was ignored & JD was able to continue his killing spree.
    
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    October 12, 2022 3:54pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  You’re not really his bowl of stew Mags, just sayin’.
  
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  October 12, 2022 9:56am
- Harry Knuts
  
  He was socially very awkward and insular, aka unsocialable and creepy – so is that your type Maggie or you just going on looks 😉
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:08pm
- alloytoo
  
  I don’t think you’re his type….
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:44pm
nathie

Helpful advise for the PM (honest)!

Instead of visiting primary schools, could the PM go and visit secondary schools and meet with the economics teachers (bring the Finance Minister along too please)?

Then ask the economics teachers to explain how the Govt increasing regulatory and compliance costs results in increased costs for consumers (and goods to consumers), resulting in increased wage demands that need to be passed back on to consumers, which leads to higher inflation, which results in further increasing wage demands which results in further costs to consumers which need to be passed on (after all no-one is going to work for “free”)!

As it is a closed circular type arrangement, some simple drawing using circles and arrows should do (no big words)!

Then when the PM and Finance Minister “get it”, ask them for some real life examples. There are plenty of examples to choose from, eg:

*Increasing compliance costs for landlords = increasing rent costs for people!

*Increasing compliance costs for farming = increasing food and drink costs for people!

*Increasing green energy compliance costs = increasing energy bills for people!

*Increasing costs passed onto businesses = increasing costs passed back to people!

Then once the PM and Finance Minister “get it”, ask them to go away and do some homework on how to go about decreasing compliance and regulatory costs and present their findings at their next secondary school visit (which no doubt will be the following week)!
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October 12, 2022 9:37am
- All_on_Red
  
  I’d love to see that happen but doubt it will. I’m starting to think they actually want our economy to collapse.
  Besides I bet they would follow what Arderns Idol Gov Newsome has done- she is that stupid.
  ‘If you’re a California taxpayer being hurt by inflation, you may be getting some financial relief.
  The state is sending 23 million residents “inflation relief” checks of up to $1,050 this fall to help ease the financial burden that the highest inflation in 41 years has placed on Americans.’
  
  Yep, that’s right. Newsome is giving away money to help with inflation…
  https://www.marketwatch.com/story/california-is-sending-inflation-relief-checks-up-to-1-050-heres-who-qualifies
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Secondary school economics teachers? Way above her. Economics and word soup waffle do not mix very good.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:55am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Pretty sure Cindy promised no new taxes?? Levy = tax. It’s compulsory. Spin it any word you like it’s still a tax.
  
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  October 12, 2022 2:36pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/beyond-maximum-sustainable-employment-reserve-bank-staff-turnover-hits-record-22/DH55C3KRKL3BUQBT6CQGE2625Q/

Staff turnover at the reserve bank is at record levels. The RB explanation…

“This increase is attributed to low unemployment and competition for talent across Aotearoa New Zealand”

Ignoring the patronising pepper potting of maori words into english, I’ll tell you why.

Knowing and understanding Maori is more important than understanding banking and economics. The board is hiring non-qualified people based on skin colour not merit. Orr has turned the RB offices into a Maori Pa. Spirituality guides the bank, not application of rigorous intellectual thought.

Who’d want to work in such an environment? Learning taniwha economics is hardly going to increase one’s international employability , nor enhance your local career if you have the wrong skin colour.
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October 12, 2022 9:38am
- Harry Knuts
  
  If management in an organisation is toxic and dysfunctional and lacks direction good people will leave in droves.
  
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  October 12, 2022 2:37pm
Tauhei Notts

I have been one of numerous Kiwiblog posters who have been critical of Winston Peters, in the past.
But, despite his foibles I am convinced he was a much better Minister of Foreign Affairs than Nanaia Mahuta.
I have just been reading Brian Edwards’ comments about Nanaia’s chat with her Indian counterpart.
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October 12, 2022 9:57am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think you mean Bryce Edwards. Not sure if he is related to Brian but he could be.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:13am
  - Cassandra
    
    He’s not.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:58am
- virtualmark
  
  Winston is a *lot* smarter than Mahuta. And his personal ethics are flexible and lightly held enough that he’s happy glad-handing less-than-desirable foreign counterparts.
  
  I think there’s an interesting choice of styles for your Minister of Foreign Affairs. You either want:
  – someone who clearly and honestly lives your national values with integrity, or
  – someone who is “flexible” enough to easily set your national values aside in pursuit of realpolitik.
  
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  October 12, 2022 10:25am
  - alloytoo
    
    We appear to have neither at the moment, the second option would be an improvement on what we do have.
    
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    October 12, 2022 1:48pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Peters still thinks he is the foreign affairs minister, he went to some Asian country last week meeting directly with leaders, I think it was Tiananmen, rubbishing China ffs, there will be no customers left soon if the likes of him to stfu
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:02am
  - virtualmark
    
    He was in Taiwan, and his speech sided with Taiwan being an independent country and pressed back on the “One China” narrative that is NZ’s official policy.
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:41pm
Jack5

Why has the Ruapehu skifield gone bust while skifields in the South Island thrive?

Is it that it’s easier for Aussies to get to the Otago and Canterbury skifields than it is to reach those in the middle of the North Island?

Ruapehu Alpine Lifts owes the Government (through MBIE) $15 million – and failed to get another loan from it; the ANZ Bank $6 million; and the Ruapehu District Council $500,000.

The company has a large number of shareholders for its size, with the shares in small parcels.

Sounds like a magnified version of one of the old ski clubs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300710453/troubled-ruapehu-skifields-put-into-administration-owing-millions-to-government
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October 12, 2022 10:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s weird, I thought they laid all their staff off and shut down for the winter cause no snow, I note still sking, and plenty of snow there, is something dodgy going on here?
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:07am
- MCōs
  
  “Why has the Ruapehu skifield gone bust”
  
  I heard the receiver say they have debts in the vicinity of $40-50mil on top of huge ongoing costs & three dismal seasons.
  Furthermore
  Future prospects are not good with deteriorating weather conditions forecast . . . .
  What’s happening down south. Don’t know.
  Queenstown is almost 900km closer to the South Pole.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:09pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  I know the south island ski fields have their mountains earning money in the summer for mountain bikers etc. Not sure if Ruapehu have diversified also with a summer outdoors season. Hence earning money only 4-6 months a year and if you have a bad winter like this year then zero dollars earnt.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:17pm
- surfing
  
  Covid/global warming has killed off Ruapehu. Plus the odd eruption doesn’t help either.
  
  Government sure made a clever investment using other people’s money, funny ANZ lent so much though.
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:31pm
Jack5

Stormy times …

The British pound is down again after the Bank of England announced it would end emergency support for pension funds on Friday.

The British financial markets will be worth watching when they open tonight (NZ time).

The Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association, which represents the pension industry, urged the central bank overnight (NZ time) to extend its bond purchases until the end of the month.

The Wall Street Journal reports the Bank of England’s governor. Andrew Bailey said the bond-buying programme would end on Friday as planned.

“You’ve got three days left,” he said in remarks addressed to pension funds on Tuesday. “You’ve got to get this done.”

The funds have a “window of opportunity” in which to sell assets to cover “very big margin calls,” he said.

Have NZ’s Nats been watching the turmoil that Twiss has caused?
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October 12, 2022 10:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The Nats are not offering anything like what Twiss is offering, why are people here he’ll bent on suggesting this
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:09am
- mogg
  
  Luxon is talking about encouraging growth in the economy and an end to Robbo’s ever increasing taxation by stealth, by adjusting tax brackets for inflation. You prefer the Socialist idea of redistribution rather than encouraging more economic activity. How on earth you got the idea that Robbo or Labour can be trusted with more taxpayer money is beyond me, where have you been for the last six years?? The amount of wasted money by Labour has become a black comedy, think Robbo’s $10 B loss on QE bonds, the bond markets are showing this figure is getting worse by the day.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mogg’s … You prefer the Socialist idea of redistribution rather than encouraging more economic activity. …
    
    It’s not about what I prefer, but what voters will prefer in 12 months time.
    
    Surveys show the rising prices of inflation are the big concern of the public.
    
    Why talk lower taxes during a fight with inflation when lower taxes would increase money supply, which is what inflation is all about. Or increase money supply unless there were compensatory cuts in Government spending.
    
    Labour will try to sell Luxon tax reforms as favouring the rich (who already vote National any way), and pro-inflation.
    
    An intelligent party of the Right would shut the fuck up about tax cuts, concentrate on the inflation fight, then, having won power and with inflation coming down, reform tax brackets and stem the creep upwards in taxation.
    
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    October 12, 2022 1:31pm
    - mogg
      
      If you don’t mind me saying you are talking shite.
      Growth in the economy is not inflation. Forget about Robbo’s trash talk look at the financial markets, bond markets here and o’seas are predicting recession, equities are seeing big decline in prices.
      These judgements are made by people who put their money where their mouth is, not some rent a gob like Robbo who is trying to justify his many failures.
      
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      October 12, 2022 2:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mogg, no I don’t mind your opinion, and fire away with ad hominem stuff, I ignore it.
        
        I assume you don’t agree with Milton Friedman that inflation is always a monetary phenomenon.
        
        On the other hand I agree with Friedman. And here’s economist Adrian Blundell-Wignall in the Australian Financial Review (unfortunately behind its pay wall) a couple of months ago:
        
        Global money has been a reasonable lead indicator of inflation since the financial crisis.
        
        Central banks that all failed to forecast the outbreak of inflation certainly weren’t looking at the money supply.
        
        Most recently a new inflection point has emerged in the downward direction. The monetary variable has dropped sharply, stretching the “elastic band” with inflation to breaking point.
        
        Something is going to happen as a consequence, and it may be unpleasant.
        
        Regardless, we’re about to find out who was right: the Keynesians and recent central bankers; or Friedman.
        
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        October 12, 2022 3:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m picking Freidman
        
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        October 12, 2022 4:25pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Think you might find the current inflation problem, like many western nations is caused by said Governments spending more than their reserves. ie printing Money.
      
      Inflation is always caused by increasing the money supply…ie printing money
      
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      October 12, 2022 3:51pm
- virtualmark
  
  Bailey is pouring gasoline on a fire. Which is a foolish thing for the Governor of a central bank to do.
  
  The Nats are a long way from the Truss/Kwarteng policy platform. And NZ’s financial books are in a lot stronger shape than the UK’s are. I see little to no chance of a similar chain of events here. (albeit Adrian Orr is the type to watch what Bailey is doing and say “Hold my beer”)
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Its Truss not Twiss
  And her plan will work
  Especially when their Gas starts to flow and they start winding back the Regulatory burden.
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:18pm
  - Taieri
    
    they start winding back the Regulatory burden
    ——————
    
    THAT is not going to happen. It only ever increases. Never reduces.
    
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    October 12, 2022 2:08pm
Maggie Pie

Yesterday, police said they were looking for a 47 year-old woman in relation to a number of house fires in the Wairarapa.
She was described as wearing an Oilskin coat, boots, a cowboy hat, and should not be approached.
I immediately had this mental image 😀
Looks like I was wrong on this occasion….

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1579944957682778113
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October 12, 2022 10:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes she looks like Cindy too
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance.
https://stopcogovernance.site/blog/f/co-governance-an-astoundingly-wrong-maori-explanation-part-5
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/What-Is-Co-Governance-An-Astoundingly-Wrong-Maori-Explanation-Part-5.pdf
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October 12, 2022 11:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “And by the way, water falls from the sky. It belongs to everyone, so why are Aucklanders now having to buy it from Maori?”
  Answer: If we don’t buy it, we are racist.
  
  “Don’t forget the story of the frog which was slowly boiled To Death.”
  The Country called New Zealand is the frog.
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The video:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IwUqOq1pVA
  
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  October 12, 2022 11:16am
I remember when

Sadly, most farmers now realise that living in the city, belonging to the greens or being in parliament, makes you are aware of how to farm more efficiently and make more money.
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October 12, 2022 11:20am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/why-maori-are-likely-to-be-disadvantaged-by-agriculture-emissions-pricing-system/NMYZBA44PUVV2QXHIC7VHNTZJI/

So Maori farmers may get financial assistance, but white farmers can go to hell!

It means it is ok for Maori to pollute , but not non-maori.

This apartheid system being constructed in NZ is too horrible for words.
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October 12, 2022 11:24am
I remember when

Institute for Scientific Freedom:
All scientific data, including study protocols, should be freely available, allowing others to do their own analyses.
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October 12, 2022 11:30am
ClanMcleod

Directly from Pfizer. The vaccines were NEVER tested in regard to sterilization and the ability of the “vaccine” to stop anyone catching or spreading covid.
Yet more evidence that Ardern is an out and out liar.

watch the video above as member of euro parliament rob roos questions a pfizer director on this topic.

she (the director) flat out tells us that this fact was not in evidence when the vaccines were released because they were in a hurry and “moving at the speed of science.”

this entirely erroneous assumption about the disease sterilizing nature of these products was just accepted and promulgated uncritically. the folks that should have known better said nothing and the folks who relied on them ran riot on a moral crusade rooted in false premises. then, when they rapidly realized how wrong they were, they did not recant but pivoted to “it was never supposed to be that, it’s supposed to prevent severity” (also an increasingly iffy claim especially when you weight outcomes for the greater chance of contracting and therefore spreading covid) and therefore save hospital capacity that was never taxed in nearly all locations outside a few perennial basket cases like italy and NYC.

this was the moment they went from being victims of untruth to co-conspirators in its contagion.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/its-not-about-you-its-about-me?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#play

the fact that even after it was clear that “your vaccine does not protect me and might well be putting me at risk” these agents and agencies went full bore on mandates to “stop the spread and protect the public” as though this was not a choice you could make for yourself but a choice you needed to be forced to make to “protect the vulnerable” and somehow put society on a standing of collective guilt and responsibility for the most anxious and at risk and unable to make choices out of self interest was ethical fraud.

it is pure and simply reprehensible behavior and those who did it are either morally repugnant if they did it knowingly or so dangerously incompetent as to have no business wielding such power if they did it sans comprehension.

They need to be arrested and charged with fraud, malfeasance and assault. Probably manslaughter as well. It is beyond comprehension what has been done to us.

And NO, I am not going to “move on”, “get over it” or “stop talking about it”. Because these abuses of power will happen again and again until we collectively stand up and say NO and refuse to obey these ideological, narcissistic psychopaths.
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October 12, 2022 11:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Such was the propaganda that I had many tell me that they wore their mask to protect me!! So easily controlled.
  Then “Stay inside, don’t even talk to your neighbours” or something (Ardern)
  Many heads need to roll – starting right at the top with the person who will not accept any faults. The ‘out and out liar’ needs to face the music.
  The time has come. We have been played right from the v̶a̶c̶c̶i̶n̶e̶ experimental saline manufacturer, down to the Prime Minister and her associate liars.
  Resigning does not cut the ice Jaspinda, that is just running away from your problem.
  Time for a live press encounter broadcast to all of New Zealand.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:15pm
Nickc2

Cindy makes it onto the World Stage again albeit for the wrong reasons.
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/10/11/new-zealand-proposes-taxing-cow-sheep-burps-and-peeing-to-curb-emissions/
What an embarrassment she is?
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October 12, 2022 11:57am
- Harry Knuts
  
  The Queen of Effluent.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:21pm
- mogg
  
  No Cindy tells us NZ is going to ‘lead the way’.
  She has a cunning plan, China, India, Russia and all the other major polluters are going to be embarrassed into taking similar action themselves.
  She has got it all worked out, expect China to make an announcement about ending construction of yet more coal fired power stations immediately.
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:47pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    Cindy’s delusions of grandeur are in full swing at the moment. UN speech, world leading farming taxes. What next – a trip to the Ukraine with Bono from U2 next on the agenda?
    
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    October 12, 2022 2:59pm
    - artemisia
      
      How realistic is it that our farming exports will attract higher prices because of this tax? That seems to be the rationale, however unlikely. Of course local prices will rise anyway as farm costs rise, and in tandem if global prices rise. Local prices will also rise if supply reduces because farm land switches to carbon credits.
      
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      October 12, 2022 3:13pm
  - kowtow
    
    We’re attacking our productive sector in order to appease the Europeans who are reopening coal mines , keeping their old nuclear reactors on line and can’t get enough of hydro carbons refined ( France ) to keep their transport going.
    
    Somefink ( that’s Cindy speak ) doesn’t add up.
    
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    October 12, 2022 3:16pm
    - mogg
      
      Whatever happened to the European drive for ‘net zero’.
      
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      October 12, 2022 3:32pm
Surely Knott

The PM’s tour through the new Costco was on the front page of the paper a couple of months back. How does this tally with their Climate tax on farmers.

The Herald reported “It comes as the Government on Wednesday confirmed a wholesale plan to try and drive food prices down.

(Minister) Clark says the introduction of a new player into the market will be good competition for the supermarket duopoly.”

Right ok. Yet the climate tax will drive food prices up. And the government clearly supported Costco’s low prices. But will Costco pay environmental taxes on their transport emissions and their plastic wrapping. Will imported products be subject to the same “values” taxes we pay here. Who is the biggest polluter, your local farmer or costco? Who contributes more to inequality your local farmer or costco? Is costco a member of WEF, is your local farmer? Who contributes more to the NZ we know and love, our rural landscapes, our schools, rural fire services, and support of them, Costco or your local farmer?
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October 12, 2022 12:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yup. If you had breakfast this morning, thank a farmer and a truckie
  
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  October 12, 2022 12:17pm
  - Colville
    
    “If you had breakfast this morning, thank a farmer and a truckie””
    
    I find this line of reasoning really dumb.
    What is next? if you live in a house thank the guy who works in a nail factory?
    
    Farmers get paid to grow stuff. They dont do it for thanks.
    
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    October 12, 2022 1:27pm
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you what…things are getting ugly in France as the fuel-crisis bites!

Fights at service stations, huge queues, police cars running out of petrol.

WATCH:

https://twitter.com/theinformantofc/status/1579873393561989128
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October 12, 2022 1:00pm
- Nickc2
  
  Shocking! I would wager the Frogs are somewhat pissed off they didn’t elect Marine Le Pen earlier this year.
  Their current President (Emmanuel Macron) is out of the same finishing school as Cindy.
  Remind me again how many days of imported automotive fuel we have at any one time in NZ.
  Not many eh?
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:17pm
  - alloytoo
    
    The French at least have nuclear power, boy that must grate the average German.
    
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    October 12, 2022 3:33pm
- cmm
  
  I suspect we’re not far behind – especially diesel. Everyone is buying diesel like there is no tomorrow for trucks, back up diesel generators and open cycle gas turbines.
  
  Diesel is 20 cents/l more expensive than 91 at the Z down the road.
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:59pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  FFS humans can be ugly.
  
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  October 12, 2022 3:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Jesus. After many attempts and being messed about I finally joined twitter.
Starting to wish I hadn’t. 20 minutes and the shit on there is unbelievable, the place is full of fruitcakes and nutbars.
Might have to forget about it.
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October 12, 2022 1:01pm
- alloytoo
  
  It’s a cesspit, I lasted 24 hours.
  
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  October 12, 2022 3:33pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Thanks for the warning! Won’t be joining.
  
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  October 12, 2022 8:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Thank you Jacinda.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300710759/michael-hill-store-in-takapuna-closes-after-constant-attacks-by-thieves
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October 12, 2022 1:14pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  Makes you wonder if Cindy loves all this crime and chaos of the new NZ so in the next election in 2023 she can make empty promises again?? you know, fix the higher crime and all. You know… be the Saviour of the brand-new New Zealand she promises to rebuild!
  
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  October 12, 2022 3:04pm
surfing

https://buzzworthy.co.nz/podcast/53/the-implications-of-three-waters–with-jordan-williams-

At around 10:35, he’s talking about maori changes to education, such as acceptable answers now include maori ‘mythology’.

eg, the Maori myth of rain is…
“The Moon grabbed Rona and her water bucket. Many people today see a woman with a bucket in the Moon. It is said that when Rona upsets her bucket, it rains.”

So in a science exam it is now a correct answer to say rain comes ‘from the moon’.
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October 12, 2022 1:19pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Maori claim rights to KFC following discovery of highly prized Taonga.
Iwi may seek compensation under new Deed-of-Settlement.

https://twitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1579638147729670144
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October 12, 2022 1:25pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  KFM
  
  Kaitaia Fried Moa
  
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  October 12, 2022 2:18pm
slightlyrighty

https://events.humanitix.com/a-zoom-conversation-with-jacinda-ardern-and-julia-gillard?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=3P_DEMO_F55%2B&utm_content=GFX_STC_JAJGEvent&utm_source_platform=Facebook_Desktop_Feed

Oh good grief…..at least if Mike Hosking buys a ticket he may finally be able to ask her a question….
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October 12, 2022 1:36pm
Nickc2

The Marxists are at it already. NZ Herald questions Akld’s new mayor in waiting about the size of his salary stating what they think most other people are thinking.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-cagey-about-work-hours-does-not-think-296000-is-a-big-salary/S67EM6NM2ZLYQDZOLJKCFLLAWY/
How much did the Govt pay for this headline?
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October 12, 2022 1:40pm
- cmm
  
  Well he looks pretty competent, so let’s pose the same question to Cindy.
  
  Cindy, what are YOU doing for your $470k + shed full of perks?
  
  Will they ask that question?
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:56pm
  - Ghost
    
    Well she goes to lots of kindergartens and does finger painting. She plays hide and seek with any media that aren’t in her back pocket. She went to the queens funeral to ask since Andrew doesn’t need his title any more if she could have it…. And let’s be honest her real talent that so few in history have is that she has completely f’d up a country that was thriving and set it back decades, if not longer, and put every sector into crisis mode.
    
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    October 12, 2022 2:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Nick, Goff a workaholic working 80 hours a week? Pull the other one it has bells on. Goff had a brief stint at working for a private company but most of his life was at the taxpayer trough.
  
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  October 12, 2022 2:01pm
- alloytoo
  
  It’s not a big salary, all things considered, but the Journo is unlike to understand the concept of value.
  
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  October 12, 2022 3:36pm
cmm

I am in no way condoning the actions of this sick bastard, but what fucked up excuse of a mother leaves her kids in the care of a serial child molester who is actively being monitored?

Throw the book at the bastard. But also throw it at this woman for failing to care for her kids.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/repeat-child-sex-offender-fabian-moore-sentenced-to-preventive-detention/6RIDIDFQEVPEWBBSBVNQCSFGJU/
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October 12, 2022 1:54pm
- Ghost
  
  I was just reading that and wondering the same thing. The other issue is this pedophile breached the order 22 times and was recalled to jail on some occasions, sorry, but he should of been recalled for every breach and kept there.
  
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  October 12, 2022 1:57pm
Jack5

Did Elon Musk have a phone chat with Vladimir Putin in which there was a nuclear-attack warning?

The US technology billionaire has denied that he spoke with the Russian president before publishing a “peace plan” on Twitter that heavily favoured Russian demands.

Reports that Musk and Putin had spoken emerged through Ian Bremmer, an American political science academic who is president of Eurasia Group, a New York-based political risk research and consulting firm. The Telegraph says the firm is widely respected and advises governments about global risks.

Putin is said to have told Musk that he was “prepared to negotiate” with Ukraine if the Crimean peninsula – annexed by Moscow in 2014 – remains in Russian hands and Ukraine “accepts a formal status of neutrality”.

The alternative was major escalation. Further, if Zelensky invaded Crimea, Russia would retaliate with a nuclear strike on Ukraine.
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October 12, 2022 2:03pm
Taieri

The intricacies of the English language:

“While anyone can get monkeypox, overseas it has mostly impacted the men who have sex with men community and people who have sex with men who have sex with men, they said.”

I think I may start learning Maori…
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October 12, 2022 2:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Moari – takes your mind off learning about something else just waiting to be exploited into another pandemic.
  Come on guys, we are waiting, what is the holdup?
  
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  October 12, 2022 4:26pm
Swifty

Kelvin Davis and his Labour gang, are scared shitless of a referendum and will do and say anything, even to the point of openly lying to prevent it happening.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/130128109/acts-proposal-for-treaty-referendum-is-virtue-signalling-says-government

If they are so sure that they’ve won the debate, that their arguments are sound; if they are so sure that they have public backing – then they won’t have any fears of a public vote on these issues then will they?

No, in fact I am sure Kelvin et al are pissing their frilly pink panties.
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October 12, 2022 3:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mr David Seymour is becoming more politically involved by the day.
  Good to see. A lot like me are looking at voting options. I think Mr Luxon may get a wakeup call soon. The numbers are changing in the favour of ACT.
  
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  October 12, 2022 4:36pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Mr Seymoure told us that the best thing we could do to promote ACT was to tell our friends what ACT was all about. He said people believe their friends a lot more than they believe politicians!
    
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    October 12, 2022 8:19pm
Maggie Pie

PONSONBY COMES TO WELLINTON?

Ministry-of-Health reporting Monkeypox (MPX) now rampant in the Capital 🙁
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October 12, 2022 3:39pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I doubt it is ‘rampant in the capital’.
  Bathhouses? Perhaps.
  Gay clubs? Maybe.
  Labour party gatherings? Likely.
  
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  October 12, 2022 4:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Say it KK. Male whorehouses. I don’t know of any in Auckland – I have not been looking.
    Wellywood? Who knows? I avoid the place, even though I have rellys there.
    Is a ‘gay club’ just a happy club??
    
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    October 12, 2022 4:41pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. Never mind, there is a ‘vaccine’ for it/everything.
  
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  October 12, 2022 7:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Democrats switching to Republican. They have seen the light after Tulsi. Lefties, watch this before you knock off early to have your craft beer shandy. How’s the trains (public transport) going down there in Wellywood?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X76RTFmm2oQ
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October 12, 2022 4:05pm
Ghost

Christchurch residents keep an eye out for this Possible Indian man, wanted for attempting to kidnap woman

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130144685/police-release-new-video-of-man-wanted-after-attempted-kidnapping-of-jogger
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October 12, 2022 4:10pm
nathie

Just scrolled down the NZH website and a bit further down in the Business section they have an article titled:

Farm emissions scheme: Expect higher food prices for consumers – economists

So hidden down from the main news section, the Team of $55M bring readers criticism of their beloved Labour Govt! Oh and it’s Premium too, so most people won’t be able to read it!

Anyway in the article both Westpac and ANZ sound the following warnings:

Westpac: “Westpac senior agri-economist Nathan Penny said imposing charges on agriculture emissions – particularly for sheep and beef farmers – would end up costing consumers. This will mean higher food prices,” Penny said. “There is no free lunch for this policy – it will mean higher meat and dairy prices. “Invariably, those costs will end up with household consumers,” he said.”.

ANZ: “ANZ’s agri-economist Susan Kilsby said the proposals, when enacted, would affect how much food is produced locally. “It’s definitely going to impact how much food we produced in New Zealand,” she said.

Of course we shouldn’t forget something even more sinister, Labour/Greens are wanting a 20% reduction in stock herd numbers. In other words Ardern, Robertson, Shaw and Co want to see the rural farming industry decimated (probably by 20%), which will impact on communities, schools, the service industry, mental health …. and $billions of export earnings.

There will be a reaction.

I would not be surprised if the next major political poll has Labour polling in the 20’s …..
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October 12, 2022 4:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Low 20’s.
  They are all gone burgers. They know it!
  Now, to the destroying of New Zealand and R. T. Rower.
  Come out you wimpy shits
  
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  October 12, 2022 4:46pm
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO… A survey from wage earner/self-employed people would be interesting.
    
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    October 12, 2022 7:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Best ask DPF. He is the survey man, a survey you can trust.
      
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      October 13, 2022 9:13am
nathie

Not sure why people are piling upon National but Chris Luxon was interviewed on ZB’s The Country at lunchtime.

With regards to Labour’s farming announcement yesterday, Luxon states it is “unacceptable” and “untenable” and he has low faith for Labour to engage constructively with the farming community, in fact he basically says they don’t engage.

Audio of the interview (first item) via the audio player at the bottom of the page (looks like NZME can’t even be bothered writing a news release as a follow up! Ka-ching $55m?)!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/the-country-full-show-wednesday-october-12-2022/PKS7TRP7ITBWQUNFEQVA2BLV5M/
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October 12, 2022 4:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Yeah, it was a good interview where he also stated the media just took a sound bite for the news last night and ignored what they said
  
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  October 12, 2022 4:49pm
kevn

Herald trying to trip up Wayne Brown. He seems to be targeted.
Classic paid for msm strategy.
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October 12, 2022 5:58pm
Ghost

So wait a minute Joe, you’ve been releasing supplies from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and selling that overseas. You revoked the permit for Keystone, and now you want to punish a foreign country for cutting its production.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-warns-will-consequences-saudi-arabia-oil-production-cut-rcna51804

Biden warns there will be ‘consequences’ for Saudi Arabia after oil production cut
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