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Taieri

The destruction continues:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130126891/nz-farmers-set-to-pay-for-emissions-by-2025-in-worldfirst-climate-plan#comments
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October 11, 2022 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tax – full stop.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:21am
- Yabster
  
  hope they push back hard- a NZ climate change scientist (not a denier by any means) has said it has been proven that they have over estimated the effects of Methane by a factor of four! It is acknowledged by all of the sceintific community but has hardly been acknowledge by the climaye commission or Liebour as it is as Al Gore put it “An inconvienient Truth”.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:26am
  - Cassandra
    
    Sceptic, not denier. Show me the money – or some evidence which has not been tampered with or is based on a model – and I’ll carry a placard. Until then scepticism is justified, necessary even since we’re ruining the Western economy. In the hope of disproving Cnut ffs!
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:21am
  - Rusty
    
    Yabster –for arguments sake, if the world’s climate is getting hotter or warmer then why is that a bad thing?
    
    Good for agricultural production, good for people’s health, good for tourism etc,
    
    But our PM and the UN/WEF want to turn it into a political issue and a doomsday scenario.
    
    What a depressing and negative lot these people really are.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:41am
    - Ra Henare
      
      With all teh Climate Change emergency nonsense, with hysterical comments like Manhattan will be 20ft underwater. The seal level rises will destroy(insert place of your choice)
      
      We have a great example of rationally handling rising sealevels/falling land levels by teh Dutch who have been building dykes since the middle ages.!!!!
      
      http://dutchdikes.net/history/
      
      So instead of wasting hundres of billions annually on reducing emission.
      Maybe invest in mitigation!! At least that will be a positive use of the money.
      
      https://unherd.com/thepost/bjorn-lomborg-7-myths-about-climate-change/
      
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      October 11, 2022 8:16pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The “Great” Reset/Green New Deal being imposed without mandate and fully supported by the idiot Ardern and those who support her. Madness based on lies. Just like the covid circus.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:47am
  - Bullion
    
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    This is supported by about 60% of elected MPs from parties that were very clear on their ambitions for policy on climate change. Furthermore this is the work of farmers and their industry bodies that have come up with this scheme.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      Farmers went to meetings run by Dairy NZ and Beef and Lamb to be told by their levy paid employees that they are dirty polluters and if they don’t accept whatever deal farmer “representatives” cobble together based on shonky science then farmers would be forced into the ETS.
      Just like people were been “nudged” into getting mRNA vaccines the government is ” nudging” people out of driving cars, farming animals and eating safe abundant food in the name of gaia.
      It’s all good though, apparently pine needle tea will make you live longer
      https://www.ieproduce.com/products/pine-needle-tea-n-z
      Not sure how it is as a substitute for food however.
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:54am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
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    Doing nothing is not an option.
    
    Well it is if all one does is whine and moan on the internet…
    
    Maybe you should step away from the puter for a while as it seems you need resetting also ?
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:58am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Well.. let me ask you this.
      
      There are 195 sovereign countries in the world.
      
      New Zealand is set to be the only country to charge farmers for greenhouse emissions. Will the other 194 countries follow our lead or laugh at us?
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:03am
      - igm
        
        No use trying to talk sense to a communist labour lefty.
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:30am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Who gives a fuck what other countries think ?
        
        Take a leaf from Putin’s book…
        
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        October 11, 2022 12:35pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        A communist labour lefty ?
        
        I almost wish I knew what that meant. Sounds like more stale pale male drivel…
        
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        October 11, 2022 12:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        Why don’t you try to talk to people without your usual racial pale male spin
        
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        October 11, 2022 12:56pm
      - Jim
        
        BY not fully sovereign if they follow the globalist/centrist UN imho.
        
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        October 11, 2022 3:17pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      “Doing nothing is not an option”
      
      Yes it is, because there is nothing to do. Climate is gonna climate, and it won’t be taxed or cajoled into doing anything another that it has for eons.
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:18pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Of course doing nothing is an option, probably the best one.
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:50pm
      - artemisia
        
        Doing nothing should always be an option in a cost benefit analysis or business case. And properly accounted for too.
        
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        October 11, 2022 4:12pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      BWAV-Quite the science denier aren’t you.
      Actually doing nothing is an option- and probably the best thing to do.
      We aren’t seeing any catastrophic changes to the Klimate.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:03pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Doing nothing is always an option and most often is the best option. As here.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:06pm
    - alloytoo
      
      BWV said: “Who gives a fuck what other countries think ?
      
      Take a leaf from Putin’s book…”
      
      Indeed.
      
      We should learn what not to do from Germany and what to do from France.
      
      Now is not the time to follow the Green lemmings off an energy cliff.
      
      Nothing New Zealand does or doesn’t do will have any substantive effect on global climate.
      
      Anything we do, at great economic expense, will simply be swamped by the actions of China and India.
      
      There are only two courses of action.
      
      1.Ignore the babble of doom mongers and have an adult conversation about New Zealand’s ability to adapt to climate change. I would suggest that Bjorn Lomborg be consulted in respect of common sense
      approaches for NZ. I understand that unlike Labour, Dr Lomborg has actually done the numbers.
      
      2. Invest in modular nuclear technology. This technology, like the visionary Fibre rollout of a decade ago has the potential to end energy poverty in New Zealand along with many of the societal ills
      that accompany it. Like Broadband we could institute flat rate billing, which would especially help the poorest in NZ use electricity for heating and cooking.
      
      Any other options (including more unreliable wind and solar generation) will merely add to the economic sabotage being currently committed by Labour.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:07pm
- rockape
  
  Going to be down at AGFEST on the NP stand. Will be interested in the feedback over the couple of days I am down there.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:49am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I will confidently predict that feedback will be considerable, direct and at times loud, and that the Prime Minister’s name is likely to be taken in vain on numerous occasions.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:14am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Farmers will forever be the whipping boys for urban green hypocrites who secretly get off on wrecking other peoples lives, comfort and pleasures.
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:44am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Farmers voted for Labour when they wet their beds about covid. They were played and they gave Labour an absolute majority.
      
      They only have themselves to blame.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:59pm
- RoboRob
  
  I wish the media would report this as what it is. Its a tax we as consumers will pay. Sure its the farmers getting taxed but they will have to increase prices to cover it. Same as the increased costs on landlords.
  
  If the reporting actually said that perhaps more of the thickos out there would be opposed to this sort of thing.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:00am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s a bit more complicated than that, if produce prices rise higher than international prices then people import.
    That’s how we’ve destroyed the New Zealand pork industry. Only if the rest of the world enacts the same stupidity and this is on the cards will international prices and hence our own rise.
    However by putting the brakes on domestic production we lower the value of the NZ dollar and everything gets more expensive for everyone. Sound familiar?
    Really stupid politicians then print more money to stimulate the economy and kick off rampant inflammation, also sound familiar?
    Really, really stupid politicians voted in for a third term, (Actually the ninth term of Helen Clark’s government) by really, really, really, stupid voters will try to Muldoon the economy while elevating tribalism to the ruling class.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:05am
  - Caine9
    
    It’s far worse than just a tax on farmers here. It will make our exports less competitive and reduce our markets which will impact everyone.
    Where do these turkeys think the money will come from to run this place if they kill the golden goose of farming?
    Bunch of morons…
    
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    October 11, 2022 3:22pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Never ceases to amaze me how the narrative on emissions has so skilfully moved away from polluting industries pouring out untold amounts of shit into the atmosphere and been placed on the shoulders of farmers tending the land to feed the planet. I guess farmers aren’t big corporations, well not yet anyway. Ardern you are a treasonous begins with c and ends with t.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:24am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Ardern you are a treasonous begins with c and ends with t.
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    Carrot ?
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:59am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Carrot , yes maybe after all it’s a vegetable.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:52pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  Facts:
  # NZ ruminant methane emissions are 1% of 14% of 0.018% of the atmosphere. (It takes a lot of imagination to believe they make an impact).
  # The IPCC has stated in constant emissions as we have the warming effect is 3 to 4 times overstated. (Would you pay tax on an income that was so damagingly wrong)
  # Methane is heavily overshadowed by water vapour on the electromagnetic spectrum where it is 15,000 to 16,000 times more prevalent. (Warmists only look at methane molecules potency not it actual warming ability)
  # Fonterra farmer suppliers have reduced methane emissions by 11% since 2017. (Why attack farmers when their emissions are falling and CO2 emitters are increasing their emissions)
  # We subsidise overseas investors to plant trees on good farmland to reduce rising CO2 levels and penalise farmers who are actually now contributing to cooling. (Ruminant methane levels are steadily falling and have been since 2005)
  # NZ signed the Paris Agreement saying agricultural production should not be curtailed. (Taxing farmers and planting trees does just that)
  # What does not get produced here because of taxation and penalties will be produced elsewhere with a higher carbon footprint. ( That indicates the level of intellectual prowess of this govt.)
  
  BUT we are going to be first – that trumps common sense and equity.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:32am
  - rouppe
    
    India had the same production levels with ten times the herd, and therefore ten times the emissions.
    
    When you go about solving problems, you pick off the big ones first, don’t you?
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:45am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “What does not get produced here because of taxation and penalties will be produced elsewhere with a higher carbon footprint.”
    
    About 12 months ago I met at a social function a public servant who advised the Government on climate change. I made that very point. He replied “No those other countries would not do that because they also care about climate change.”
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:06am
    - Jim
      
      Exactly BY, an example is China utilising coal power to produce ‘green’ solar panels and wind turbine parts.
      
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      October 11, 2022 3:28pm
  - Matt Long
    
    First to remove production subsidies also, the rest of the world will follow our virtue just like they did thirty years ago; what, they didn’t?!!!!
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:08am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The crucial fact is that farm methane emissions do not increase atmospheric carbon because they only recycle it. Insane politics based on ignoring scientific fact.
    
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    October 11, 2022 1:10pm
  - Jim
    
    Not if you want to impress uncle Klaus.
    
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    October 11, 2022 3:19pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    Minor point,
    
    Methane is about 1.8 parts per million which is 0.00018% of the atmosphere.
    
    Not 0.018%.
    
    So it is actually 100 times less than you thought.
    
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    October 11, 2022 7:48pm
- Jaundiced
  
  The world has food insecurity. New Zealand is the most efficient food producer in the world.
  Our fanatical government decides to fine our farmers for producing food!
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:16am
  - kowtow
    
    As we’re all very much aware , unless it is collectivised and owned by the state the Left hate farmers, as they are property owners as well as food producers on whom the populace literally depends upon to survive .
    
    farmers have always been a convenient “out group” , or other to these extremists , as they appeal in the past to both the urban and rural poor for “mobilisation”.
    
    We see exactly the same thing happening now ,only in a different iteration , ” to save the planet” is their current slogan , whereas it used to be “to free the masses from exploitation”.
    
    That’s why all these left inititiatives must be resisited .
    
    It is yet another attack on private property rights , freedom ,liberty , our culture , wealth and well being .
    
    I wish the Nats were on board but I fear they too can’t see past the “save the planet” crap.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:08am
  - G152
    
    Maybe the cockies should all stop producing crops and animals to ‘keep the planet safe’
    See how long that lasts
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:31am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Eat your grasshoppers and be grateful, peasants!
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:20am
- Surely Knott
  
  Random thoughts: Ardern announces levy to stop global warming while wearing her heavy puffer jacket in spring due to unseasonably cold weather.
  
  I thought Agenda 21 worriers were conspiracy theorists because Agenda 21 was only a “Non-binding” statement of intent document with some sustainability goals. Yet they are telling us “We MUST meet our global emissions targets” . 🤷‍♂️
  
  They’ve based their levy on modelling. Who did the modelling for this. Will it be more accurate than the covid modelling?
  
  We tried to stop the common cold and failed, next up weather.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:21am
- Jim
  
  Despite months of farmers protests, the Dutch government (note: another WEF aligned PM) presses ahead with appropriation of private farmland. Do you think it could happen here? Uptick if yes, downtick if no.
  
  https://youtu.be/kjcspqgLXFQ
  
  Listen to Eva’s evocative statement, especially involvement of the state funded media, and then reply.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:43am
  - kowtow
    
    And that’s from a so called “centre right” govt .
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:09am
    - Jim
      
      Ex big corporate Rutte, who knows if Luxon would be any better.
      
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      October 11, 2022 6:43pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The government has been confiscating land and property rights through the RMA for decades.
    Remind me which party enacted the RMA again?
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:11am
    - noodlum
      
      Geoffrey Palmer’s brainchild introduced by Labour, but passed under new National Government.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:38pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        noodlum, Are you a horse? A backwards ex-PM perhaps? 🙂
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:41pm
- wilderbeast
  
  I honestly can’t work out how we got this far with climate change / emissions initiatives when do many first order issues are by no means resolved:
  
  1. If we can all agree that the climate is changing to what extent is this the result of human activity – 10%, 20%, 80% etc? Without knowing this (and I don’t think we do) we have no idea what influence our policies will have on climate.
  
  2. Where is the place for unders and overs in this framework? Some activities will be net contributors to carbon emissions but this can be offset by carbon sinks etc – for example if NZ farms are net carbon producers but feed the world and still produce less carbon than the countries that would otherwise do the production then what’s wrong with that?
  
  3. What is the broader impact of these policies? Sure if we clamp down on everything the atmosphere might be healthier (maybe) but what of the social and economic results including unintended consequences?
  
  I actually think this is the biggest scam to grow legs in my life. Nz farms will go bust if this direction carries on, with all sorts of unintended consequences. It’s time the left was seriously challenged on its claim to being wiser and more grounded in science – they are the total opposite. And the mainstream centre right parties need to grow a pair and stand up to it.
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:05am
  - Debsta
    
    Exactly! Beggars belief really how the hell its gone this far. When will the madness stop?
    
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    October 12, 2022 12:41am
    - Nickc2
      
      The WEF has achieved its aim. We’re fighting among ourselves to find a solution to an imagined problem whilst paying money to an organisation that is operating outside its mandate (the UN).
      
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      October 12, 2022 7:55am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Check this out. If the PM, Shaw, O’Connor and McAnulty are trying to project a “farmer vibe” they have failed miserably. And they all look as though they know this is going to go down like a pork chop in a synagogue with cockies!
  
  https://twitter.com/Jasonwalls92/status/1579574611389616129
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:16am
  - Ghost
    
    The look on her face, damn, she’s not a happy person
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:32am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Well the traitors who voted for Cindy and Labour big time deserve this big time. No sympathy here. Every f**king rural seat voted for Labour big time. Take it on the chin you cowards.
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:29am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Can’t really disagree. Pity the rest of us have to suffer.
    
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    October 11, 2022 12:45pm
- I remember when
  
  Taieri:
  I wonder how many years of watching annual CO2 figures at Mauna Loa continue to climb, at an enormous finance cost, it will take for world governments to change their minds.
  
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  October 11, 2022 12:34pm
Benedict Yu

The Geological Survey of Finland has done some excellent work on what it would take to electrify transport systems and to move to renewable energy.

They conclude that there is not enough lithium and cobalt on the planet to produce even one generation of EVs to replace the world vehicle fleet.

They also looked at the challenge of producing sufficient electricity by using wind and solar. They conclude that it is literally impossible by an enormous margin.

https://www.gtk.fi/en/research/time-to-wake-up/

Interview with the principal scientist here.

https://youtu.be/8BUMb4lYeJg
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October 11, 2022 8:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Ah, but there will still be plenty of Oil and Uranium long after the world has run out of lithium and cobalt.
  Another virtue signaling bubble burst?
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:16am
  - rouppe
    
    Well you can see how the narrative had changed over wood burners, can’t you?
    
    In the eighties they were polluting demons, causing health problems all over the show.
    
    Now they are a renewable heating option.
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:49am
- iMP
  
  So interesting.
  
  Even if Nz dies everything we could to “save the planet” it would have no effect because… China. Perspective.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:21am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    iMP – it’s what Cindy does best, virtue signaling to an “adoring” audience. She is totally clueless. A vacuous fool who along with the Greens, is driving NZ back to the stone age and a divisive and angry population. It doesn’t augur well for the future of this once beautiful country.
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:53am
    - Paulus
      
      Still is a beautiful country but inherited by the now common ignoranus.
      Never been so well off ones are the worse.
      Used to be called middle class !
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:33am
    - The Scunner Campbell
      
      Hence the move to co-governance as they have recent experience in a stone-age existence!
      
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      October 11, 2022 7:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We are being played by idiots with this EV bullshit.
  Mine the coal, drill for the oil, drill for the gas, fuck the idiots.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:32am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Who benefits the most. The elite of course – they want you as dependent on them as possible.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:12am
- cmm
  
  But the cobalt mining is important. It gives kids much needed jobs.
  
  Each EV needs about 2 tons of cobalt ore scratched out of the ground – typically by hand, down a hole dug by hand, by a kid less than 15.
  
  While a huge song and dance is made about the small amount of cobalt that goes into a phone, almost nothing is said about the vast amount that goes into EV batteries.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/19/children-as-young-as-seven-mining-cobalt-for-use-in-smartphones-says-amnesty
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:41am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Well under 5% of cobalt comes from mines that are outside major industrial mines. These days known as “artisan mines”, which rather disguises the exploitative nature of them. Of course most family based businesses anywhere in the world have some degree of family labour. Ask anyone who grew up on a farm.
    
    Artisan mines are really a feature of the Congo and adjacent countries and even in the Congo only make up a very small percentage of cobalt extraction. Australia is rapidly becoming the world’s major supplier of cobalt.
    
    As for lithium, it is not actually scarce. There is at least 21 million tonnes of available reserves, and as with most minerals these reserves will expand as more intensive exploration takes place. So there is no real prospect of running out of lithium, especially given that a car needs only 5 to 8 kg of lithium.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:37am
    - pdm
      
      There is plenty of coal too Wayne.
      
      We should be maximising production of that.
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We have a power station built on top of a coalmine. That was for a reason. I also remember Meremere, with buckets of coal coming in from the Waimarino.
        Something is wrong with the thinking here. Maybe people have been dumbed down so much they are now just simply stupid?
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:24pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Also, there’s recycling of lithium batteries:
      
      https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/
      
      It is weird some go off the deep end about EVs. There are pros and cons, trade-offs to be made, whether it’s ICE vehicles vs. EVs or most things in life.
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:51pm
    - cmm
      
      C’mon Wayne, that’s a long bow to draw trying to equate Colgalese children down holes with farm kids.
      
      Can you not see a difference between a farm kid in NZ helping out with tailing the lambs for an hour or two after school or driving a tractor on the week end to a kid spending every day, every week digging up tons of ore?
      
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      October 11, 2022 8:31pm
- TripeWryter
  
  I watched Chris Kenny of Sky News interviewing the Australian scientist in Finland last evening.
  A fascinating watch.
  One of the people I live with works for an energy company as an analyst.
  He has been saying for nearly 10 years that this could will have to build more power stations just to supply electric vehicles.
  He doesn’t think we (this country) can.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:40am
- Bullion
  
  We can suck hydrogen out of the atmosphere, and we are going to produce it here.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:42am
  - rangitoto
    
    Nope. Hydrogen is mostly produced by steam reforming of the methane in natural gas. Why would you not just use the natural gas as a fuel unless you have a specialised requirement for hydrogen? Other processes like electrolysis of water exist but are inefficient and wasteful.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:18am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Be off with your facts and evidence, Benedict!
  
  We don’t need facts and evidence, we have kindness and feelings!
  
  Denier!
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:21am
- wilderbeast
  
  Just wow! Of course we’ve all been working to the presumption that (notwithstanding all the other barriers) electric vehicles can eventually replace the fleet, but no! Great work finding this Benedict
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:10am
Warren

Wayne Brown has a 54,000 majority and his mandate to control our biggest City is being Questioned by the Heraldand Journalists Damien Venuto and Simon Wilson.
Yet Maori that have less than 17% of our population are wanting a 50% co Governance and these same people believe they have the mandate.Wayne Brown won a fair vote and now their is plenty in the media wanting to destroy him all because of person that has bribed her way to power with lies and deciet.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-a-clear-mandate-from-15-per-cent-of-the-city-how-radical-can-wayne-brown-be/XMNFR57X65HLJGMJK2QEPWYSKQ/
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October 11, 2022 8:05am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yes Warren, but it was to be expected from Wilson and the Herald. “How radical can wayne brown be?”. See, stopping the Council from bleeding other peoples money is radical. Keeping staffing under control is radical. Getting back to the Council’s core functions is radical. Nothing Simon Wilson writes is worth the paper it is written on. And that is being generous to those of you who still read that shit. I have told the Herald I wouldn’t wipe my arse with their paper.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:15am
  - kaykaybee
    
    Quite!
    
    Can anyone else recall Simon Wilson expecting Phil Goff to repair AKL Transport (based on Simon’s own stellar recommendations) as he has done with Brown ? If so, did he do this Day One of Goff’s tenure?
    I do hope Brown gets those urinal pictures up in a hurry. I’m a sit down kinda gal, but I’ll make an exception to fulfil Brown’s vision for Wilson’s visage.
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:48am
  - Random T Person
    
    Has anyone seen the ridiculous interview with Simon Wilson and Jordan Peterson?
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:51am
    - Blackbob
      
      No, did it happen? if so where?
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:10am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPSdj7QqkKU
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:10am
    - Sacha
      
      Yes, and if I recall correctly it was a somewhat unequal meeting of intellects –
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:08am
  - Cassandra
    
    mediabias.co.nz has the Herald as the least (sic) biased media outlet in NZ. Crikey!
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:25am
    - 7kiwi11
      
      To be fair, whilst there are many articles by wacko leftists such as Simon Wilson they do also publish articles from a right thinking perspective.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Are they going to question the new Mayor of Wellington as to whether she has a mandate?
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    First mandate was a Council funded breakfast. Get on that public tit ASAP.
    Last one there is a rotten egg—–
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:41am
  - Random T Person
    
    No, they are running stories about her ‘masterful campaign’. I am not making this up.
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:52am
    - Blackbob
      
      My Daughter tells me that Victoria university essentially told the students there they expected them all to vote for the green lady.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:12am
      - Surely Knott
        
        In Auckland they held “one stop shops” at the Universities where you could sign up and vote at the same time, with food and fun stuff. The one stop shops were advertised on Gen zero and the Uni union but they were not widely advertised or public on the council website.
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:26am
      - Jimbob
        
        Victoria university is chock full of commies, has been for a long time. I know a lady who works there, she is true blue, she hates me reminding her of this fact. Look at James Renwick, the climate nut cake. He has been moved on from other jobs and lands up there. The last strong hold of NZ commies ltd.
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:36am
      - rouppe
        
        If that has happened to me when I was at uni, it would have made me do the exact opposite.
        
        Thing is, none of those students are paying the rates that she will drive. Well, not directly
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:57am
    - Paulus
      
      Did I not hear that she won a huge Lotto win at some time.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:58pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Wellingtons a bit more difficult to say as all three main candidates had essentially the same policies and outlook. That Wellington chose the Green one probably says it all, they want to move harder left.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:02am
    - Alwynn
      
      They were not the three main candidates.
      They were the three that the DomPost and the National Radio and TV channels chose to publicise.
      They chose to completely ignore Ray Chung who, in spite of that, ended up in third place ahead of Paul Eagle.
      Why did the DomPost refuse to include him in any of their stories or in the debates they organized? Was it the paper’s large chunk of the taxpayer money that kept them from allowing any news about the only sensible Mayoral candidate in the field?
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:51am
      - rouppe
        
        I ranked him #1. Foster about #3, Eagle last and Whanau not at all
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:59am
      - MCōs
        
        Looking at the results, after the winner the rest other were just making up the numbers.
        Before preferences were distributed Whanau had 40.78% of the vote and Eagle was second on 17.02%
        The rankings of the also rans shuffled around as the preferences were reallocated.
        
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        October 12, 2022 9:48pm
  - artemisia
    
    Our family tradies * and landlords in Wellington don’t care. Plenty of work, plenty of applications for tenancies. Hourly rates and rents will do what they need to.
    
    *Couple of young ones looking over the ditch, family and mates saying come on over.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:54am
- kevn
  
  @WAren… Still very light coverage in msm on (almost) final local body results.
  Just complaints about the (yay) trend.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:21am
  - Yabster
    
    Lets hope Brown puts that socialist media hacks face on a urinal or two- you could charge admission as I think it would be very popular….
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All those who can not accept Wayne Brown’s win need to join the Hillary Clinton crybaby’s twitter feed for emotional support. You will get over this – you can do it – be strong.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:38am
  - RoboRob
    
    but but but… Its the left that believe in democracy you know.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:03am
    - rouppe
      
      Ha ha! After the post yesterday mentioning Siouxie Wiles Twitter post, I asked her about her commitment to inclusion, diversity and democracy.
      
      Instantly blocked.
      
      None of them REALLY believe in that stuff
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:02am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        The fat pink fool only believes in self promotion as one glance at her shows.
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:16pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  And, what I suspect will be a regular feature, Stuff will look to undermine and attack Wayne Brown & his mayorality. Stuff continues to rip to shreds any semblance of credibility as jounalists. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130131127/wayne-browns-day-one-call-for-a-resignation-and-a-repeat-forecast-of-gloom
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:51am
  - Cassandra
    
    But who cares? Even those who read its rubbish think it’s rubbish,
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:27am
  - artemisia
    
    National could riposte by upgrading its pothole of the week to pothole of the day. Probably get more airtime.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:56am
- Bullion
  
  He doesn’t have a mandate any more than the other councillors at the table.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:44am
- ISeeRed
  
  Observe English grammatical rules when speaking English, thanks. Using “Maori” for the plural instead of “Maoris” is kowtowing to the te reo tyrants. And more accurately, it should be “some Maoris”. Let’s not slip into casual racism with Maori this and Maori that. I know Maoris who don’t go along with this co-governance con. It’s pushed mostly by the tribal class of rangatira chiefs and iwi elite who think they are better than the average hori.
  
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  October 11, 2022 1:01pm
Yvette

“Co-governance”
How the Government chooses to proceed will have major implications for the future of all New Zealanders. We all deserve to have a say in the development of the draft plan. But it is only after it has been drafted – based on the feedback arising from engagement with Māori – that consultation with other New Zealanders will begin, purportedly later this year. This is far too late for any meaningful input from the wider community.ˇ
https://www.democracyaction.org.nz/undrip_plan_to_be_drafted_without_any_input_from_other_new_zealanders

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirms public consultation on Māori co-governance will happen in 2022
… Jackson, in a statement to Newshub, said Cabinet was yet to meet to discuss the next steps on the development of the draft Declaration plan for UNDRIP.
“I will have more to say once that has occurred,” Jackson said. “I will then report back to Cabinet mid-year with the draft Declaration Plan for approval before embarking on a wider (full) public consultation process on the draft Declaration Plan.”

… “Of course I support the longstanding principles of democracy in this nation but the idea that that cannot sit alongside Te Titiri o Waitangi, I take issue with that. We are more sophisticated than that, surely, than to take such a simplistic view,” Ardern said.
“Let’s discuss the issue rather than what I worry about is blatant politicisation.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

At the moment one person has one vote
Jacinda – simple, or “more sophisticated” – define how any other system will work

For example: “co-” as in “co-governance” means equal
In rough population figures, Maori are 17 percent portion and non-Maori 83 percent.
To raise Maori to 50 percent multiple roughly by 3
To reduce non-Maori 83 percent to 50 percent multiple by 0.6
So instead of one person, one vote –
you now have Maori 3, non-Maori 0.6
or Maori 5 to non-Maori 1
That is following the logic of “co-” meaning an equal Treaty “partnership”
What would be the “logic” to establish anything in between that and one person, one vote?
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October 11, 2022 8:07am
- Souvlaki
  
  Make NO mistake….Luxon will embrace this shite unless we vote ACT.
  He has said “we need as discussion”…but thus far….has not had one.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Luxon is a good manager, but he is far from being a Leader.
    He can manage a bunch of recommendations, but he will not be able to give orders. That is where the Team will fail – orders and firm instructions.
    I hope you are reading this Chris Luxon.
    Tell me I am wrong, please.
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:51am
    - Yvette
      
      Steve – as everyone knows :co-governance” is part of “3 Waters” and the first legislation to set that up is passing through Parliament already.
      
      So where is Luxon asking where is the nation-wide, non-Maori ”conversation” on “co-governance”.
      
      By the time Christopher raises it, Jacinda will just say “Been there, done that”
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:02am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Quite sad really – beaten by a person who knows nothing.
        I am not too sure about ‘keeping the powder dry’ Politics is nasty, how about some ‘nasty’ tricks Luxon? Lead the bastards up the garden path with say statements that may be ‘lies by omission’ The other team do it on a daily basis.
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:31pm
    - Jim
      
      Luxon who? Typically corporate exec who is likely more worried about his woke ESG ratings.
      
      ACT via Seymour is the only political opposition.
      
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      October 11, 2022 6:55pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Must say I was voting National until I heard Luxon was fighting against having a referendum to rule this crap out. Sorry National probably voting Act now.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:04am
    - Ghost
      
      I don’t see a need for a referendum, just scrap it. National plan to scrap 3waters, and the other cogovernance projects labour’s are working on.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:18am
      - Colville
        
        But National need to go a step further than that and embed legislation that rules out changes to New Zealands democratic foundations or all that is happening is they put of “3 waters” till next time Labour gets in because next time (if its 6 years or 9 or 12) their leader wont be half as incompetent as Jacinda and will actually be able to force “3 waters” through.
        Imagine if Helen and Culen had wanted to do it, she ruled with an iron fist and it would have been done by lunchtime.
        John Key (may he rot in hell) would have then come in on the promise of just managing it better.
        Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
        
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        October 11, 2022 9:29am
      - Cassandra
        
        Referendum will give the cancellation legitimacy. Left will be unable to deny the public will.
        
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        October 11, 2022 9:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yep I agree Ghost. Scrap it. Referendum my left tit.
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:33pm
    - 7kiwi11
      
      Ditto.
      For the life of me I can’t understand where this co-governance BS has come from. It’s seems to be infiltrating everything already. I fear the genie isn’t going back in to it’s bottle.
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:07am
      - rouppe
        
        It’s accelerated the last few years on the back of blm, MeToo and LGBTQI+
        
        With all the moral outrage, indigenous peoples have used it to get more “yes’s” from law makers
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:11am
  - Jimbob
    
    Souvlaki, do your homework.
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:38am
Benedict Yu

Looks like New Zealand will be the first nation to charge farmers for emissions. If this reduces dairy output, won’t other dairy exporters just grab that market share? Effect on global emissions is therefore nil.

Maybe I am missing something. I hope that the Government has done this analysis.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130126891/nz-farmers-set-to-pay-for-emissions-by-2025-in-worldfirst-climate-plan
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October 11, 2022 8:11am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  “I hope that the Government has done this analysis”.
  And I hope you are not holding your breath in anticipation that they have Ben. Your commentary on this site is too valuable!
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:17am
- Joely Doe
  
  I hope that the Government has done this analysis.
  
  Comedy Gold!
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:18am
- Lance
  
  No, NZ farmers are the lowest carbon producers in the world for a given output.
  So reducing NZ output will INCREASE global emissions.
  Thanks, Labour, for destroying the planet. /sarc/
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  So-called environmental policy has already caused chaos in Sri Lanka and the Netherlands. Our UN-led policy is part of a deliberately manufactured food crisis. Control food = control people.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:24am
  - Jim
    
    KK one of the three: finance, energy, food.
    Too much QE and so the ponzi financial system is showing signs of failing again. Therefore the other power levers are being primed to keep the proletariat under siege.
    
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    October 11, 2022 7:00pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @BY-
  “I hope that the Government has done this analysis.”
  Hahaha.
  This government only analyses how to spend money – not make money.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If there is a hole in the International Market it will be filled very quickly by other Countries. Competition is stiff out there.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:53am
  - Ehlana
    
    Competition is stiff – you mean, there is widespread demand for food. Who would have guessed?
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:18am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I was meaning that if NZ could not supply what they do now, then other Countries would fill that void immediately
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Years ago I think NZ missed the gun. Thousands of tons of butter in Europe converted to fuel. So the poor old farmer milks the cows to make biofuel – nice.
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:36pm
- RoboRob
  
  Our new right wing government will cancel this crap. The scheme is to come in in 2025, after the next election.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:06am
  - Colville
    
    It amazes me that Labour are handing a stick to National to beat them with.
    
    Is it 10 or 20 or 30,000 farmers/rural workers that will decide their vote on this issue alone?
    
    How many tens of thousands of hectares of farms would go from productive to forestry if this were introduced?
    
    Labour are complete muppets!
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:35am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Does National say they will repeal these charges on farmers?
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:58am
      - Tomtoddy
        
        If you can get a straight answer from them you are a better man than me. Fence sitting right now.
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:28am
      - Jimbob
        
        Policy next year, too early for this. Enjoying the government imploding.
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:40am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        and right on time we get this…
        ““National is committed to emissions targets, including reaching carbon Net Zero by 2050, the Paris Climate Agreement and reductions in agricultural emissions …….
        
        ….. National supports efforts to reduce emissions and we encourage the Government to work with the sector to find an enduring solution.”
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/117965/government-says-its-proposal-would-see-new-zealand-farmers-lead-world-reducing
        
        So what the hell is their policy? No idea. Brought to you by the Jacinda Ardern School of Communications Studies and the University of Waikato.
        
        And they wonder why National voters have switched to ACT?
        
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        October 11, 2022 6:03pm
- Its only I
  
  I’m a dairy farmer but I identify as a hemp grower…there ya go.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:22am
- Matt Long
  
  Done this analysis; bahaha haha HAHAHA, sob.
  Through the majic of impossible regulation NZ products will command a premium that will make the country rich. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
  Hey, it’s the same analysis Key’s government did to prove methane emissions needed to come into the ETS; the customer demands it, except we’ve done no research to back this up.
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:32am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Effect on emissions – nil.
  Effect on climate even if emissions dropped to zero? Also nil.
  None of this self-inflicted suicide makes any sense until you realise it has _nothing_ to do with the climate.
  This shit makes me want to scream. Most politicians don’t even care about facts and science, or how much money it will cost to achieve nothing, they’re just going to fu*k us anyway. They are not our friends.
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:34am
- Media hater
  
  “I hope that the Government has done this analysis.”
  A rare laugh out loud moment, Ben. Please accept my heartfelt thanks.
  
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  October 11, 2022 1:54pm
Harry Knuts

How does a bail house owned and run by someone who has family in gangs? is it a case of it takes one to know one? So if they get 20k per ex-con on a 3mth stay, rough math’s suggests this facility is getting 800k a year from govt funding.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bail-facility-raid-cash-drugs-and-gun-found-at-dairy-flat-in-operation-cobalt-move/SKMUKOZAK53NHPQEJXB6EMIOCY/
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October 11, 2022 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  The taxpayer is being robbed over and over .
  
  By the regime to fund what actually appears to be a money laundering endevour , then to pay for the actual prisons ( which Labour wants to empty) the police and then the cost to society of the crime and havoc the gangs themselves cause .
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought the Police had cleaned this bail house out – or is this another one?
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:04am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    another one i think. this raid is fresh in the last week’ish.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:38am
herb1

“Maybe I am missing something. I hope that the Government has done this analysis.”

Yes Benedict you are. This Government don’t do analysis.
The voices in their heads tell them all they need to know
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October 11, 2022 8:18am
Maggie Pie

MEET YOUR WARD COUNCILLORS 😀

#20: JULIE FAIREY

Jules lives in Mt Roskill and was first elected to the Puketapapa local board of Auckland Council in 2o10.
She/her describes herself as a left, social justice, double-decker nerd.
Julie is married to Labor’s Min of Transport, Michael (river-of-filth) Wood.

https://twitter.com/haydennz/status/1579325695733694464
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October 11, 2022 8:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m fairly sure I don’t want to meet her, or her verbally repugnant husband. His utterance will go down in NZ political history of the most vile, contemptuous abuse of the people.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I truly hope I never bump into her husband. I honestly do not know how I would react. His comments are the most disgusting, hateful and divisive comments I have ever heard from a politician.
    Enoch Powell was metaphorically crucified for his “rivers of blood speech” which was not remotely as hateful and personalised as the utterances of Michael Wood and his “rivers of filth” comments. Wood received little or no criticism or condemnation from the NZ media poodles. Did any NZ politicians actually speak out? How was Wood able to get away with such obnoxious lies and personal attacks on peaceful protesters?
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:13am
    - Colville
      
      You would have to hope that Labour elect this obnoxious creep as Leader after Jacinda 🙂
      
      He would have to rank on a par with “Silent T” for electability.
      
      But the fat controller probably has a lock on the job.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:39am
      - Paulus
        
        Appears to be the favourite to take over from Ardern as he is the Payer Piper’s choice – the Unions from whence he came – not even a school teacher either.
        
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        October 11, 2022 2:04pm
    - Its only I
      
      The fact your so upset by this person is the very reason the left love these people.
      Its become a prominent feature of politics in recent times. both left and right.
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:29am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. She missed ‘entitled’ in her self description. We just know that will be the case.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:41am
- Nickc2
  
  “Another Chardonnay my dear,” Michael asked. “Of course” Julie replied, “and make it snappy”.
  I bet it’s a long time since she wore a dress eh?
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:51am
- alex Masterley
  
  By stepping up from the local board to being a Ward Councillor she gets a pay raise from about $40k pa to about $100k pa.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:52am
  - MCōs
    
    She was the chair of the Puketāpapa Local Board, which is a full time position 40hr/wk on a salary of $91,108
    Minimum councilor renumeration $107,794 for 40 hr/wk min
    I don’t think these people are in it for the money.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:56am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      I think you overvalue their skills. Before politics she was an Education Union Organiser so honestly, she is minimum wage value at best.
      
      Also, I think you over estimate the amount of work she’ll do as a councillor.
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:27am
      - MCōs
        
        I would suggest you have a poor grasp of what is expected of an Auckland councilor.
        Furthermore
        As with the mayor, none of these people would have been elected to the job if they didn’t have the confidence of the majority of those who cast their votes.
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:42am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        MCos – I know what’s expected of Councillors, just like what’s expected of MPs. We know that many MPs don’t do the work so why would we assume Councillors do the work?
        
        As for the voters – competence has nothing to do with most people’s voting choices, especially on the Left where you tend to vote for the organisation they represent (in this case, City Vision).
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:01pm
      - MCōs
        
        So you’re a libertarian with no time for City Vision people?
        
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        October 12, 2022 10:00pm
- Paulus
  
  Wasn’t I wrong but I thought she got kicked out of her Auckland sinecure on Saturday.
  Perhaps he husband will call for a special recount as that is the Labour way.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:41am
  - Ghost
    
    Special votes saw I believe two right leading councillors lose their spot to two left, she being one of them.
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:42am
    - MCōs
      
      Special votes haven’t been counted yet.
      The first results didn’t include votes cast on Saturday or specials
      We now have preliminary results, which included those cast on Saturday and the final count will be announced on 14-Oct.
      I don’t know why preliminary results were released on Saturday. They’re awfully prone to change.
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:54am
- Joe Banana
  
  She did not get elected so now she is still a nobody,
  her husband will join her in late 2023.
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:08am
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/auckland-council-elections-left-leaning-candidates-julie-fairey-and-kerrin-leoni-flip-two-seats/
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:16am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Left-leaning? God our MSM is dishonest. She’s a raving Unionist.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:04pm
Lance

John Minto quote on the AM show:
“It’s capitalism or the planet”
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October 11, 2022 8:24am
- Nickc2
  
  Minto, simple person, simple mind.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:32am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Where is Minto on the apartheid being created in NZ?
  
  ………..crickets………………
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s different when the racists are racist.
    Minto’s head must be getting ready to explode.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:10am
    - Colville
      
      If its anti white, its not racist.
      Got it?
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Of course, silly me. I must think more before commenting.
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:33am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  LOL, Minto justifying communism by invoking climate catastrophe now. Everything else hasn’t worked, so lets jump on a new bandwagon. John Minto pumps out more bad air than a million cows.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:47am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Minto – professional activist for hire. His whole life dedicated to protests and getting paid to do it. About time he got a real job.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:04am
  - Ehlana
    
    Speaking of Minto, and watching coverage of latest bombings of civilian targets in Ukraine on this morning’s news made me wonder – where are the peace movement now? All those people who went into Iraq to stand in solidarity with its citizens, who marched through the streets of Western capitals calling out to “give peace a chance”. Where are they now when the people of Ukraine, and Iran, and Yemen, etc. need them so?
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:22am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Are you suggesting that being a Secondary School Teacher is not a real Job ?
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:58am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      For zminto… No its not a job. Its an opportunity to indoctrinate kids with his nonesense politics…
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:20pm
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t Minto a Teacher ?
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:42am
- Jimbob
  
  Minto, oh my god, don’t drag up that rotting corpse.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:44am
- cmm
  
  Silly commie bugger doesn’t understand history.
  
  Every commie country has been an environmental shit hole.
  Every time a commie shit hole has opened up its economy, the environment has improved.
  
  It is only wealthy people that care about pollution and environment. Poor people spend all their time worrying about things lower down the pyramid of needs – like food.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Triangle_(region)
  
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  October 11, 2022 2:16pm
  - MCōs
    
    I would suggest you reword that to include every totalitarian country.
    
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    October 12, 2022 10:04pm
- alloytoo
  
  Because the environmental record of the Soviet Union remains a shining example…..
  
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  October 11, 2022 7:34pm
rjay

Looking at results from Bay of Plenty Regional Council.
It took a minimum 5649 votes to elect a person in a general seat but only 1266 in a Maori seat.
More odd is the number of blank votes. Over 1000 in one ward. That means 1000 people took the time to find a PO Box but couldn’t find the time to tick something. Not to be confused with informal or spoiled papers.
Really?
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October 11, 2022 8:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  About 70% of the folks on the Maori Roll couldn’t be bothered voting in the Gisborne elections…. They had 13 candidates from which to select 5 councillors..and 2 candidates for Mayor.
  
  52% of Gisborne folks on the General roll didn’t bother to vote.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:57am
- MCōs
  
  It depends what the blank votes are for.
  In our ward, for example, we had a vote for mayor, two votes for councillors & seven Local Board members.
  Someone may have only voted for a mayoral candidate and left the others blank or just voted for their mate standing for the Local Board.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  They thought the vote counters would tick it for them USA style?
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:12am
Clyde

I listened to Luxon this morning with Hawkesby and then Seymour with Hosking. It really is chalk and cheese. Luxon sounded like he was reading from a script and wasn’t able to depart from that while Seymour sounded as though he really believed in what he was saying – which also sounded like common sense re co-governance. I really do hope that Luxon can start to speak with passion some day really soon.
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October 11, 2022 8:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  To be fair, I don’t sound too flash at 5.50am in the morning either Clyde. But more to the point, Luxon was adamant that National already opposes co-governance of public services, which he has said any number of times over the last three to four months, including his speech to the National Party conference in August where he said:
  
  A country that emphasizes what unites us, instead of what divides us. A country that says absolutely, explicitly, that there is one standard of democracy, equal voting rights and no co-governance of public services.
  
  That’s the New Zealand I want to live in.
  
  National and Act are pretty much in step on the issue of co-governance. Both are opposed.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:42am
  - RoboRob
    
    Agree, Nats say they oppose co governance. However, why they would fight ACT over a referendum on the issue makes it seem otherwise. A resounding vote against co governance would be hard for future labour governments to go against. Why not run a referendum that solidifies your position?
    
    As I posted in a comment above, for me that has pushed my vote from National to ACT.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:11am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Mmmmn – yes, folks round here, many long-term Nat voters, have trust issues.
      National has a record of saying/promising one thing whilst in opposition and doing something else when elected on that basis.
      Mr Luxon needs to build trust and confidence first.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:53am
    - crikey
      
      RoboRob: “ Why not run a referendum that solidifies your position?”
      
      Ardern introduced the co-governance and other related matters without a referendum, consultation only with Maori. National/ACT can just as easily reverse it; their mandate will be winning the 2023 election.
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:19am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Absolutely agree. A referendum is a waste of money at a time when National has promised not to spend wastefully. It’s far better to simply use your parliamentary majority to repeal any legislation giving effect to co-governance of public services.
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:20am
    - Sacha
      
      I thought I heard Luxon say that the National Party saw no need for a referendum at this time.
      In other words, he was not ruling out, or endorsing the proposal. We need to listen to what they are saying, not jump to impulsive conclusions.
      There is a fair amount of water to pass under the bridge before we need to decide who we are going to support in September 2023
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:22am
      - RoboRob
        
        Good point, well made. The reporting I heard was something along the lines of ‘Act want referendum but national opposes it’ followed by snip of Luxon saying he sees no need for it.
        
        Perhaps I am being a bit overzealous 🙂
        
        I guess for me this sort of stuff lust seems like a guaranteed vote winner for the right. Sure some white professors and Maori will oppose it but they were never voting National / Act in the first place. There must be plenty of middle ground / swing voters who find this stuff distasteful.
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:48am
  - Souvlaki
    
    If Luxon is to believed Tony, why is he therefore so opposed to Seymours’ proposed referendum???
    Is he talking out of both sides of his mouth…..and if so which side can we ‘believe’?
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:12am
    - Ghost
      
      Why do you need to spend millions on a referendum when you can just go ahead and change what labour’s has done.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:23am
      - RoboRob
        
        Because Labour come straight back and change it again. If 70% of the country vote against something its hard for a government to pretend its what the people want.
        
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        October 11, 2022 9:34am
    - Frank the tank
      
      To attract a fair proportion of the under 40yr old office, university-educated populace. Especially those without a penis.
      
      These are the same that buy electric cars, verbalize New Zimbabwean Pidgin, think Trump is the devil and otherwise run their lives through social media.
      
      In order for the center right to win they have to pick up 25-40% of this vote.
      
      People such as you and I they can count on anyway either for them or Act.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:36am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      He’s not “so opposed” – as Sacha notes above, he said he sees no need for a referendum at this point. Let’s not forget that we’re still a year out from the election, and a lot can happen in that time, especially if the government gets desperate, and Ardern stands up to the Maori caucus. It’s an issue that can be debated in the context of an election campaign and its aftermath, not a full year out.
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:23am
  - MCōs
    
    I listened to Nathan Rarere interview Nicola Willis, who sounded full of beans at quarter to five.
    It was recorded yesterday.
    I also heard the Auckland Council CEO on checkpoint yesterday. He was interesting in light of Mayor Brown’s criticism of the books earlier in the day.
    The mayor has presented himself as quite confrontational thus far. Could be an interesting few weeks if he carries on that way.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:13am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Pigs don’t like their trough pulled away Cosy. I suspect we will have a new CEO within 3 months as well.
      
      Brown is calling out economic mismanagement of which there will be plenty of examples. That is what he was voted in for. This will be Brown’s last job and legacy – he won’t back down. Auckland’s bureaucratic elite better watch out.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:45am
    - graham
      
      You say “confrontational”; others might say “decisive”; still others might say “not afraid to make the hard decisions”.
      
      Our main stream media are experts at manipulating language in this way.
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:03am
      - MCōs
        
        We’ll find out won’t we!
        
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        October 11, 2022 12:04pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Seymour should be PM. He believes in right wing policies and I think he could take the country with him. Luxon would be a good deputy, finance or whatever. He doesn’t inspire people and he lacks the conviction (or guts) to promote right wing views openly. At best he will be another John Key minus the charisma. But holding the line is not enough now. We need a leader.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:29am
    - MCōs
      
      “I think he could take the country with him.”
      
      In your dream!
      But we’re never going to find out, obviously.
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:07pm
    - blue collar
      
      Bloody oath septic , Seymour’s the man , natural born leader , he’s gaining every election and will beat national this time .
      
      Change starts with dreams and cozzy will be crying into his girls blouse when he becomes PM .
      
      Recommend buying non running mascara cozzy 👌
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:45pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The wife and I listened to Seymour talk in Whangarei last Friday evening. He was knowledgeable, witty, humorous and never referred to notes for the better part of an hour.
  
  Took questions from the audience and came up with good answers.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:52am
  - MCōs
    
    He’s an excellent politician and been around holding things together for ACT for awhile now.
    He’s been in parliament eight years now, but never tested in power.
    Chris Luxon has been in parliament for two years next week.
    I read he’s good at the politics of business, but not the business of politics.
    
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    October 11, 2022 9:34am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Good summation Cosy.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:46am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I read he’s good at the politics of business, but not the business of politics.
      
      Who wrote that little vignette; Simon Wilson? Luxon and Willis have maintained caucus discipline in National for the better part of a year, so Luxon’s political management can’t be that bad.
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:25am
      - MCōs
        
        “maintained caucus discipline in National for the better part of a year”
        
        On to the fourth leader in opposition and a caucus down to thirty three tends to help.
        
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        October 11, 2022 12:45pm
iMP

The irony of Rotorua losing MORE Maori on Council due to the appointment wards. (From 4 to 3 despite appointments. So, only one was elected).

Appointment wards diffused the Maori vote in general seats. Own goal. Generally then it encourages Maori to not bother voting. How can that be good.m? Literal Disenfranchisement.
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October 11, 2022 8:32am
krazykiwi

#deletePayPal

Do it now. Close your account. Send a signal that big tech can’t restrict or raid private wealth because they don’t like something you have said. It is easy to do.
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October 11, 2022 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  krazy, PP have said it was a ‘mistake’ and have retracted the instructions. Nonetheless they have shown their cards and as you say should be dumped.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:56am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Dumped mine a few weeks ago, turns out I don’t need it as I can always pay other ways, own goal of epic proportions but I do wonder if they are just doing the bidding of the EU. Never forget todays problems are generally caused by yesterdays government solutions, in this case anti-terrorism funding laws.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:13am
- alloytoo
  
  Ironically I had done this the day before.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:07am
nathie

Breaking news!

Due to declining positive poll ratings the PM explores alternative employment opportunities …. comedian! But whoops needs to remember not to laugh at her own jokes – oh well back to the drawing board (and crayons)!

https://twitter.com/dahmenaaron/status/1579256374172602369
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October 11, 2022 8:44am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Megan Wood’s facial expression is priceless!
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:18am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  One of my favourite jokes:
  
  How they laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian.
  
  They’re not laughing now.
  
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  October 11, 2022 7:46pm
Lee C

Did anyone else spot the irony of Ardern defending Fa’afoi’s lobbying by saying ‘people will know us by whats in our manifesto’?

Like Three Waters was?
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October 11, 2022 8:46am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  No, it wasn’t specifically Lee, because their manifesto was written in 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:50am
  - Lee C
    
    That’s a thumbs up Vino..
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:28am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Lee C-
  What a stupid and patronising answer from our deflecting leader.
  She must know that very few people read a manifesto.
  They expect “explainers” in the media to tell them what the policy is and what it all means – hence the current trend towards paying for favourable coverage.
  The Prime Minister has turned out to be a very limited and disappointing communicator if that is all she has to offer her voting base by way of inclusive information sharing.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And by stating that ” we report through our pro-active diary release every single person that we meet with, we report on what subjects we meet with [them about].”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/476439/national-calls-for-cooling-off-period-before-ex-ministers-can-be-lobbyists
  
  Anyone ever found out exactly what Our Dear PM was discussing with the Chief executives of Blackrock?
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:01am
  - Sacha
    
    I suspect she was being instructed on the programme for the re-election campaign for 2023. She will do as she is told, and we will somehow re-elect this no-hoper government.
    Wait, and you will see –
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:29am
- Harry Knuts
  
  it’s like she’s saying – read the fine print.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:07am
  - Lee C
    
    No Knuts, it’s ‘Read between the lines…’
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:29am
- RoboRob
  
  That pesky ban on oil exploration was well flagged prior to election too wasn’t it?
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:13am
tedbear

Excuse me if I’ve missed Ardern’s announcement of who in the govt will be the mastermind behind the success of the nationwide 3 waters project.
Will it be Phil Twyford who was to build 50 affordable houses a day or Megan Woods who was to build 4.5 windfarms a year?
I suspect Ardern is still looking for the brilliant minister with the talent and brain function required to fulfill this role.
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October 11, 2022 8:48am
- RoboRob
  
  If it was up to Megan we would be lucky to build 4.5 wind TURBINES a year.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:14am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    That would 4.5 too many.
    More FF-fired generation is what we need. Just ask China!
    
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    October 11, 2022 3:49pm
- Paulus
  
  Am I wrong but haven’t a number of the four tribal areas designated for the 3 Waters Management been employed already and are on the tit ?
  Legislation ? – why wait as it is already agreed bythe Maori caucus
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:48am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Adern continues to lie through her teeth. She has no issue with Fafoi’s move stating that her parties manifestos and policies are all laid out for everyone to see…….Where in the last election did labour utter anythign about c0-governance & 3 waters ? To paraphrase Elvis, “she aint nothing but a hound dog, lying all the time”
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October 11, 2022 8:53am
Maggie Pie

WHAT A DISGRACE!!

‘Dudge lets Muslim pedophile off without a prison sentence…. because his Islamic faith taught him raping 13-year-old girls is not wrong’.

https://twitter.com/Simon01945462/status/1579463343634796544

>>> And in further news, BBC reporting Bradford Police have now charged a twenty-fourth man with having sex with a thirteen year-old child.

24 men – 1 girl. HORRIFIC!!

https://bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-63170542

The usual suspects 🙁
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October 11, 2022 8:58am
- Nickc2
  
  But they’re Cindy’s BFFs.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:01am
- Harry Knuts
  
  unfortunately for the UK the child trafficking sex rings over there have gone on for years now. Using religion as a defense or even excuse. Sad the courts are accepting this. Wonder if they have a sex pest register in the UK too?
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:10am
- Ghost
  
  So the education system has to teach you rspibg a child is wrong, shit, there are teachers in the USA trying teach having sex with a child is normal, they get fired when caught, but, damn, this judge should be fired
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:12am
- herb1
  
  So by that logic it’s ok for a Christian to murder someone who murders one of your family members.
  An eye for an eye
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    For a Jew that may be true, however 4he Christian teaching is different to that: Matt 5:38-48
    
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    October 11, 2022 12:20pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’d like to hear from leaders of the ‘religion of peace’ to find out if they agree with the judge.
  
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  October 11, 2022 3:52pm
Hugh Jarse

The look that Megan Woods gives the PM while she has laughing manically yesterday says it all really. It was a genuine “WTF, you have finally lost it this time” look. Must be time for a Jacinda Bunker meme now ?
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October 11, 2022 9:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I thought it was more a look of “How on earth does she get away with telling such bullshit to the media?”
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Because they are paid for.
    ‘Modern journalism is all about deciding which facts the public shouldn’t know because they might reflect badly on Labour or the Greens’
    
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    October 11, 2022 12:30pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    “What has she got that I don’t have?”
    
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    October 11, 2022 7:49pm
Ghost

Wonder where the minister for child poverty is

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/children-found-eating-food-scraps-out-of-rubbish-bag-in-kaitaia/JDUIAP4CXG634UU2IGGG64PGUE/

Two small children on the street, unsupervised, looking for food scraps in a rubbish bag.

It’s the kind of scene you might expect to see in a third-world country, not the streets of modern-day New Zealand.

Yet that’s exactly what Kaitaia resident, Stacey-Lee Ropiha, came across last Thursday.

As it was her study day, Ropiha explained she had dropped her kids at the movies and gone to Awanui with her sister for a kai (feed).
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October 11, 2022 9:08am
- Opie
  
  There’s a lot to unpack here.
  
  Why does one family have so much food they don’t know what to do with it, yet the next families kids are eating out of the bins? Are the bin eaters the incorrect race?
  
  “Thursdays is paua and cream day at the local fish and chip shop, so we went and got us some, plus a heap of chicken and chips,” Ropiha said.
  
  “We ended up having so much food left over we took it home.”
  
  This is the future for this country as Maori are promoted over everyone else.
  
  This is how you will talk:
  “So we went and got us some”
  
  This is how you will eat:
  Paua and cream, topped off with a heap of chicken and chips.
  
  You can have 7 kids on a single income and study. All on the taxpayer. How else can they afford to send 7 kids to the movies and pig out on takeaways? That’s a $300 day easy.
  
  Guarantee she smokes as well.
  
  And then when your health is all fucked up you can complain that it’s because the health system is rascist. Then to solve that the govt will spend billions to change its name and give control to Maori but not add a single doctor, nurse, machine or bed.
  
  Welcome to te ao Maori.
  
  And this story is about the so called good ones. The other family has a 2 and 5 year old eating from the bins while dad is at work and mum is asleep. I’m just going to put it out there that she isn’t tired from working the night shift.
  
  And will anyone investigate these loser parents? Will they fuck. They will just give them more money so they can have paua and cream too. The money would be better spent arranging a hello fresh box each week but I imagine it would just go to waste.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:49am
  - greybeard
    
    I see that the accompanying (file) photo is of a white kid.
    Misinformation?
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:44am
    - Opie
      
      No they are pointing out how well the Maori family is going and that its better to have 7 kids and gorge yourself on chicken and chips paid for by the taxpayer than to be an awful whitey.
      
      If they showed Maori kids eating from the bins it would be “waycist”
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Welcome to Cindy’s newklear moment.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:21am
jon

David Seymour is right to call for a referendum on Co-governance and for it to be a bottom line in coalition negotiations with National. Of course it needs to be a binding referendum, so the voters can for once and for all, reject this racist and divisive nonsense!
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October 11, 2022 9:16am
- Ehlana
  
  I don’t think referendums are binding under our current law, jon. And it wouldn’t matter if it was – the “co-governance” argument is that the Treaty is our founding document and it establishes co-governance. And there is no way of changing or invalidating the Treaty that they would accept.
  
  The co-governance argument is essential for some people because it gives them and their descendants guaranteed power and position (and significant income) forever.
  
  Opposing it is equally essential for the rest of us, as it is the only way to avoid permanent underclass status in the only country most of us have a legal right to live in.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:54am
- Opie
  
  And then decide what language we speak English or Maori not a hybrid and what the name of the country is.
  
  You know, all things that were already decided but are being taken over by the radical rascists
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:59am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump swinging into action. I say CNN will settle out of Court to save their arse – or a little bit.
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/cnn-to-face-trumps-wrath-in-major-defamation-lawsuit-but-the-wont-go-down-alone/
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October 11, 2022 9:21am
- MCōs
  
  Have you sent your few bob to help pay his legal bill?
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    CNN will be paying that bill, watch and see.
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:43am
- artemisia
  
  President Trump probably enjoying himself. Interesting that he is turning the tables after not much traction asking the courts to review data. Have not followed court cases closely but seem to recall many applications failed due to lack of standing. That wouldn’t apply to a defamation case.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Applications failed because of Obama/Biden nominated Judges
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The swamp is deep!
      
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      October 11, 2022 10:45am
      - Paulus
        
        The swamp is deep here too !
        
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        October 11, 2022 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah Paulus. Just think Mahuta Corp
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:35am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Not true. They generally failed because of either lack of standing or because judges weren’t willing to overturn people’s votes based on a potential for fraud (which is all that can be proven with effective fraud). The judges position on potential for fraud was correct and what should have happened after the election was for these issues to be fixed so this potential didn’t exist for future elections.
      
      Instead, the Democrats actively pushed to make this potential even bigger. Looks dodgy but is very hard to prove fraud.
      
      Obviously also impossible to prove that fraud didn’t exist too. I was wondering when they’d get called out for the “big lie” position. It does seems like a case for defamation as “lacking criminal level evidence of truth” (which was what judges were demanding) does not make something a lie.
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:26am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Calling what happened ‘Fraud’ is a stretch and obscures what the real problem was.
        The Executive of some States changed the Rules for Absentee Voting when they did not have authority to make , what were, Legislative changes.
        They made it easy for fraud NOT to be detected. And succeeded.
        There is a lot info showing the system became easy to abuse with Ballot harvesting and insecure drop off Ballot boxes.
        This was rife in Counties (think Mariocopa) which are mainly Dem strongholds and all the officials are Dems. They all turned a blind eye to it.
        Funny that some of those Counties had over 100% turnout…
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:51am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        All_on_Red – I agree, the problem as I said is potential for undetectable fraud.
        The States making changes they didn’t have the right to make is a huge problem but, as I said, the Courts decided (correctly) that that wasn’t enough reason to throw out those votes, unless it could be proven they were fraudulent (which they couldn’t which is the point behind removing controls).
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:37pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Sorry but Trump has no show. He is both a Public and Political figure so covered by the Sullivan precedent.
  Still, its good to see him stirring and using Lawfare to mess with them.
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:27am
Warren

Can anyone remember Julie Anne Genter Green MP squeal about the numbers of deaths on our roads in 2017 and how this Labour Government was going to fix the problem.
Well the figure say they continued to rise in 2018 with a total of 286 then declined with totals of 261 in 2019, 239 in 2020 and 251 in 2021, some think that was expected with less cars on the roads with the Covid-19 Pandemic and lockdowns.
But now we have high figures again with 284 deaths over the same period today.
https://www.transport.govt.nz/statistics-and-insights/safety-road-deaths/
So another failure for the Government who canned building more Motorways because they believe it increased deaths and now we are left to drive on roads with less maintenance and plenty of potholes because of people like Green MP Julie Anne Genter.
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October 11, 2022 9:31am
- kevn
  
  @Warren… Dodging potholes. A new road safety skill.
  
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  October 11, 2022 9:48am
- Opie
  
  Family of 4, are you OK?
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. I hit a pothole yesterday. Off to get the wheel alignment checked. The potholes must be good for the tyre shops. Always a silver lining 🙂
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Depending on how hard the hit was, steering rack and pinion takes a hammering, and tie rod balljoints.
    
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    October 11, 2022 10:47am
    - Opie
      
      Fixed one the other day, split two wheels and pulled the front strut and steering rack out. Was nasty.
      
      The other thing people don’t understand is when you hit a pothole you get a bruise in the hardening on the wheel bearing running surface. Most mechanics dont think about this and don’t replace it at the time.
      
      It won’t fail immediately but 6-12 months later it will, long after your insurance claim is closed…
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:11am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Steering rack. Try changing the bushes in one in a Landcruiser – when you are 69. Tie rod ends off then three bolts – bastard of a job.
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:38am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Wheel bearings. The inner and outer races on both bearings cop it, rollers ok. Double ball races also get it.
        Sounds like you know what you are doing Opie.
        
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        October 11, 2022 11:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Simeon Brown posted a great photo yesterday of a double-whammy pothole on a pedestrian crossing. Not only could it puncture a tyre or bend a rim, but a pedestrian could break their ankle tripping on it!
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:30am
  - Colville
    
    NZTA will fix the problem*
    
    *by posting a 10 km/hr speed limit for 300M either side of the crater.
    
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    October 11, 2022 12:53pm
    - Nickc2
      
      ….. and building cycle lanes around it.
      
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      October 11, 2022 1:18pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Road cones 50M each side. The you have a road cone installer, road cone inspector, road cone adjuster, and road cone guard. The another 4 just watch and the other 12 sit in the trucks all day.
        No wonder this Country is fucking broke.
        
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        October 11, 2022 1:48pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Steve Otto @1:48PM
        I’ve watched that kind of behaviour and concluded that in NZ, one has to be of a certain ethnic minority to get a job like that.
        
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        October 11, 2022 2:25pm
TripeWryter

At 9.21am I had to shut off Nick Mills, who broadcasts for Wellington on NewstalkZB.
His topic was co-governance.
He clearly does not know what he is talking about, which is alarming for someone in his position.
According to him, giving 5 percent of the population – a mestizo population, by the way (you might not like the term but it is accurate) – preferential treatment is not preferential treatment.
It’s giving them an added special consideration based on their Maori ancestors’ being here before their pakeha ancestors arrived.
That can only be preferential treatment for 5 percent of the population.
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October 11, 2022 9:34am
- Gravelroad
  
  @TripeWryter:
  Nick Mills is often out of his depth but sometimes at least he admits it.
  He talks too much and doesn’t listen.
  He gabbles like a basketball commentator- which I am picking he was in the past.
  However, he is usually reasonably balanced unlike some of the other left wing radio people who don’t bother to hide it.
  Perhaps he doesn’t really know what co-governance actually means in practice – and he wouldn’t be alone in that.
  The Labour Party spins it to suit their agenda and confuse as many people as possible.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:05am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “It’s giving them an added special consideration based on their Maori ancestors’ being here before their pakeha ancestors arrived.”
  
  It is an insane way to run a country. It would be like the UK giving descendants of folk who were in the UK before the Norman Conquest in 1066 some kind of ‘special’ citizenship rights.
  
  What we are doing is how the Congo and PNG run their countries. The world will think we are mad.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:07am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Not only that Ben, but the Maori gave up any preferential treatment when they signed up to ceding sovereignty to, and receiving the protection of, the Crown.
    
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    October 11, 2022 2:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Doctor Nancy found Joe’s brain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMXaykYmF0
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October 11, 2022 9:43am
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300709579/live-nz-farmers-set-to-pay-for-emissions-by-2025

PM might as well be living in a Harry Potter book. The gobbledygook she comes up with is so baffling that it could be believable if you know nothing about economics.

She has convinced herself that forcing extra costs onto farmers will result in higher profits.

The only small thread of truth in her ramblings, is that ‘some’ people will seek to buy green products… like those who worry whether they can afford a 50 million dollar or a 100 million dollar yacht.
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October 11, 2022 10:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “‘some’ people will seek to buy green products…”
  
  But most of the emissions come from dairy farmers and most of the dairy exports are ‘commodity’ products. There is no such thing as ‘green’ milk powder. For upmarket products such as colostrum and baby formula, parents might pay a premium if they perceive that New Zealand baby formula is ‘safer’ or ‘purer’ than Chinese baby formula. But they are not going to give a damn if the cows that produced the milk for the baby formula had their emissions taxed. 🙂 Too funny.
  
  Remember I said a couple of weeks ago – satire has become reality. 🙂
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:32am
  - surfing
    
    That’s a great point too. But, PM seems to think otherwise.
    
    If she thinks she is so clever, you’d wonder why she isn’t the boss of Apple or Google etc.
    
    If one appointed her to any decent size company, it would go broke quick.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:14am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      But it makes no sense.
      
      “Dear farmer
      
      The Government is going to tax you. Woke Belgian dentists will then buy your lamb.”
      
      Really? 🙁
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:51am
- Surely Knott
  
  So just like swapping away from oil to EV’s what are the consequences of the alternative.
  
  If we swap from Cow milk to Almond Milk. What are the health consequences. Wasn’t their a deadly bee disease which became widespread due to bees being shipped from all over the USA to california to pollinate the almonds. And then we would pay the wealthiest country in the world to ship it to our remote island, which results in more carbon and less equality. Or you could milk a cow down the road that eats grass.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:59am
  - kowtow
    
    Some clever type could enlighten us on how much irrigation in drought prone California is required to grow all those almonds so some inner city dwelling millenial can feel good about themselves.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:18am
- Prince
  
  In Ardern’s world, higher costs do not lead to higher prices. When these new taxes come into effect she will either plead ignorance and blame the supermarkets, or be long gone to the UN.
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Math has never been a strong thing understood by the left – and it never will be. The comprehension is just not there.
  eg: The only difference between a Billion and a Trillion is three zeros, and seeing as zeros have no value, there is no extra cost. AOC. Yes she said it, no proof, the cache has been scrubbed very clean.
  
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  October 11, 2022 1:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Paypal fines themselves $2500 for spreading misinformation//
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October 11, 2022 10:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The way it should be. Shoot him so he looks like grated cheese.
https://rumble.com/v1mzy1e-polk-county-sheriff-issues-epic-warning-to-looters.html?
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October 11, 2022 10:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Same Sheriff, he means business.
  https://rumble.com/v16qrgr-this-is-the-last-thing-youll-see…-florida-sheriff-issues-warning-to-schoo.html?
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Facebook just suspended me for this. I shared a post from Dan Bongino, I am the messenger, not the creator of the post.
  Seems Facebook are happy to support looters and rioters. How strange to censor me and not Bongino. His post is still there, untouched.
  So I submitted a report and get this shit—-We could not process your request. Please try again later.
  
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  October 11, 2022 10:57am
  - Inandout
    
    SO, FB s going to lay off 12 employees.
    
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    October 11, 2022 11:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      12 little wimps in short pants, straight out of school.
      
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      October 11, 2022 11:43am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Minto really is deluded – capitalism & the planet. You cant fix stupid
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/national-mp-simeon-brown-clashes-with-activist-john-minto-after-protest-causes-traffic-chaos-in-wellington.html
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October 11, 2022 10:43am
- Matt Long
  
  Minto can point to the outstanding environmental performance of the Soviet Union or I’m guessing the new Marxist South Africa.
  
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  October 11, 2022 12:31pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I thought it was funny how John Minto said that everyone is supportive of climate change protests, but then said Simeon Brown is looking to the election by choosing this as a topic.
  
  If John Minto thinks Simeon Brown expects to gain votes out of this climate change protest, that suggests John Minto believes the climate change protests are not that well supported after all.
  
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  October 11, 2022 12:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So the protesters actions were “not dangerous when compared to climate change” Minto said. He was asked if the people on the motorway were doing something dangerous, and said “NO!”
  Climate Change being dangerous or not had nothing to do with the question. Rotten journalism, Minto should have been pulled up straight away. Why not?
  He really is a nasty looking person, I wonder if he would look like that if he had right wing values?
  
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  October 11, 2022 2:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Old Mickey, I don’t think he is deluded; he is consumed with hate
  
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  October 11, 2022 2:14pm
Takere

Its great been in a city where the mayor follows through with your requests!

Good onyah Good Thing Wayne Brown!!

Eke Panukus chairman under the kosh! And so he should be!

The ‘Disruptor!”
In Auckland Council
Iwi Treaty Settlements!
Maunga!
Court Cases!
Cross Claims!
False Cross Claims!
Perjury!
LandGrabs of coastal regional parks and reserves!

Along with spending, committing 12 iwi settlements to investments before the settlements have been signed off and enacted or, before a ‘Bill’ has been presented to Parliament.

Have a look for yourself!

https://majureysmoves.wordpress.com/
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October 11, 2022 10:47am
Tauhei Notts

I saw petrol at $2.43 in Matamata last Saturday.
Then I heard that the NZ dollar had dropped to .5551 against the US dollar.
I expect an increase in petrol with our dollar currently so weak. BUT, normally petrol prices rise immediately and drop gradually. There seems to be something strange here.
The beauty of Kiwiblog is that some knowledgeable person will put me right.
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October 11, 2022 11:07am
- MCōs
  
  $2.34 in Matamata now according to Gaspy
  
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  October 11, 2022 12:25pm
- I remember when
  
  Pak n Save Palmy was 229.7 (with their 6 cent discount) now 232.7.
  Government can’t say there isn’t plenty of choice,
  with both Shell and BP at 263.9 (after their 6 cent discount).
  
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  October 11, 2022 12:25pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Just paid $2.29 at Mobil Petone.
  
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  October 11, 2022 12:31pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

I wonder if the GREENS have ever considered that a small Nuclear War could reverse global warming?

https://twitter.com/NZGreens/status/1579580015360233472
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October 11, 2022 11:25am
- All_on_Red
  
  This Green nutter is about to learn that protest can only go so far.
  ‘The eco-zealot seen in video pouring human excrement over a memorial to pandemic hero Captain Sir Tom Moore has been jailed ahead of her sentencing…District Judge Louisa Cieciora said the starting point for sentencing following her guilty plea could be 18 months’ imprisonment.’
  Good job.
  https://theothermccain.com/2022/10/09/climate-change-is-a-dangerous-cult/
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:54am
  - krazykiwi
    
    This nutter is mentally unsound. As stupid as the prank was, it is undeserving of 18 months jail. Perhaps having her on-call to scrub glue and XR zealot hand-flesh from roads might be a better punishment.
    
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    October 11, 2022 12:14pm
    - Ghost
      
      I think her previous actions and this are enough that she does deserve 18 months sentence. She likely won’t serve that long.
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:25pm
- I remember when
  
  A nuclear war.
  You mean like getting their members to agree that some form of nuclear power may be an option.
  
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  October 11, 2022 12:28pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Labour are soft on crime, and here we go…..
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/auckland-crime-wave-security-guard-injured-by-thieves-during-burglary-at-westgate-shopping-centre.html
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October 11, 2022 11:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He needs a gun
  
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  October 11, 2022 11:44am
  - MCōs
    
    I was talking to my wife about that very thing the other day.
    She told me that as with here security guards are predominantly unarmed in Thailand, but gold shops routinely hire police as security and they are armed over there.
    Nevertheless gold shops have always been frequently robbed.
    
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    October 11, 2022 12:23pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      At least Thailand have the death-penalty for robbery.
      Probably make a few of them think twice wouldn’t it Cossie?
      At the very least it’s a cure recidivism.
      
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      October 11, 2022 12:45pm
I remember when

News Illinois.edu:
Can we evacuate from Hurricanes in Electric Vehicles:
Due to limited driving range and sparse charging infrasructure networks, electric vehicles are more susceptible to being stranded during evacuations.
The existing routes do not allow for the frequent charging needs and long charging times for EVs.
Emergency co-ordinators will need to re-evaluate its capacity to manage peak demands.
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October 11, 2022 11:59am
- cmm
  
  Don’t worry, the hurricanes feel sorry for the virtue signallers and stop for 14 hours while the luvvies recharge.
  
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  October 11, 2022 1:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If the chargers are working, the Internet is working for the credit card – OR if the whole lot has not been swept away in the floods.
    Anyway, American hurricanes are turned on and off at will – Trump’s will//
    
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    October 11, 2022 2:22pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I thought the story about how De Santis lined up 42,000 Powerline workers and had them ready to move is as soon as the Hurricane passed was amazing.
      They got the power back on very quickly in the majority of places.
      ‘Merica!
      https://www.linemancentral.com/post/hurricane-ian
      
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      October 11, 2022 2:29pm
      - MCōs
        
        At $US80.00/hr + expenses is a pretty good incentive to volunteer.
        
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        October 11, 2022 2:52pm
      - Inandout
        
        AoR, instead of a lineman for the county we can say linemen from the country.
        
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        October 11, 2022 2:56pm
    - alloytoo
      
      And all I need is a jerry can……petrol can be pumped by hand.
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:11pm
I remember when

“A councillor for 26 hours: Candidates family ‘devastated’ after results swing: Stuff.
Elected-on-Saturday, excluded-on-Sunday, Cyril Dawson wants an apology from the Marlborough District Council for calling the election, and him, too early.”

Perhaps his family isn’t ready for him to enter local body politics (although it was his third try).
Yeah, life can be a bugger.
Or, is Stuff using a bottom trawling net.

[Mod – article link added https://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/marlborough-top-stories/300709290/a-councillor-for-26-hours-candidates-family-devastated-after-results-swing%5D
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October 11, 2022 12:19pm
Maggie Pie

Leftard moron Timothy Rocksbra filling-in on ZB admits he voted for Fester !
Says…. “he can’t believe Brown wants to get rid of Paul Majurey after all the good things Eke Panaku have done for Auckland”.

Honestly, why would NZME allow such an out-of-touch cock like this on the airwaves? You can only imagine what The Hosk & Kate must be sitting at home thinking 🙁

SHEESH!!
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October 11, 2022 12:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So what is it with Biden? He has been taking lessons from socialist Jaspinda?
Video in the post.
https://leadpatriot.com/kilmeade-snapped-on-bidenomics-its-time-we-go-back-to-trump-level-gas-and-oil/19354/
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October 11, 2022 1:18pm
Nickc2

This is believed to have come from The BFD.

Here’s a challenge for the climate commission. How about backing up your unscientific farming emissions by comparing the cost benefit of politicians with farming on the same basis.
Farming produces foreign exchange.
Feeds 40m people.
Supports rural communities and service industries.
Provides employment.
Funds the domestic economy via taxes, levies and GST.
Produces co2 to green the planet.
Adopts best practice to reduce emissions.
Uses scientific research to manage methane that is 4 x over estimated.

Politicians.
Destroy jobs.
Encourage planting of pines on pastoral land.
Graze on the most expensive foods available.
Air travel most weekends back to their electorates.
Regular overseas flights.
Impose climate change levies on the economy.
Fund gangs and terrorist regimes.
Collapse the economy on a fake pandemic.
Increase fertiliser costs by restricting supply of gas.
Close down oil and gas exploration.
Destroy democracy.
Hand assets over to maori.
Etc etc etc.

The only herd size that needs reducing is 120 leeches in parliament, cull the lot of them.
So what say you Mr Carr, shall we set up an experiment measuring emissions of 1 politician say Megan Woods against say one Friesian cow, huh?
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October 11, 2022 1:35pm
- cmm
  
  Food contains carbon. Almost all that carbon was extracted from the air by photosynthesis.
  
  Politicians fly around the world rubbing noses. In doing so they turn millions of litres of hydrocarbons into CO2.
  
  But somehow, farmers must be taxed for CO2 emissions and politicians like Jimmy Shaw (the worst offender of the lot) get a pat on the back for the awesome job they do.
  
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  October 11, 2022 1:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That carbon did not just come to the Planet. It is always here in one of many forms.
    Sems the left want to interfere with that transition. Long after the left and humans are not here, the Earth will be fine for billions of years.
    What’s that? There is a black hole outside your bedroom window? Photo or it is not true….
    
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    October 11, 2022 2:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some of the things you say cmm, and I can give but one uptick 🙁
    
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    October 11, 2022 2:34pm
Hugh Jarse

Knowing that Labour will never get this off the ground like any of their other anchor projects the only ones this will hurt are themselves and the Greens. So well done PM and continue on announcing major transformational projects that will never happen but demonstrate the value you place on the New Zealand economy, trade, rural areas, people, and environment. Do you even stop for one second to think that the 40 million people New Zealands helps to feed will either starve or source their food needs from elsewhere with a consequential growth in that countries emissions at probably a higher rate than ours ?. Isn’t food meant to be outside the ETS consideration. The shallowness of this childish government thinking is incredibly disturbing.
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October 11, 2022 2:02pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “…. with a consequential growth in that countries emissions ….”
  
  I see no evidence that the Government is concerned about global emissions. It is all about the perception of New Zealand taking action.
  
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  October 11, 2022 3:04pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Sorry Benedict went to reply and hit report instead. Agree, it’s almost like the real goal here is to deliberately destroy this country through making us reliant on over seas energy, destroying industry by not allowing workers into the country and now trying to nobble our most productive sector which will impact all of us.
    
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    October 11, 2022 4:40pm
Jack5

In a time of acute housing shortage and low interest rates, many firms gave credit to the Auckland house builder DDL Homes Central, owned by a female entrepreneur, Baljit Kaur Dheil, 918 Redoubt Road, Flat Bush, Auckland.

The Herald reports DDL Homes Central was working on a 180-house development but is now bust. Related companies that owed it $18 million failed a few months ago.

DDL Homes Central’s owner, Baljit Kaur Dheil, also owned two other DDL companies put into receivership four months ago.

In a liquidator’s report on these two companies, Baljit Kaur Dheil attributed the failure of the companies to distress, delays, shortages and cost overruns caused by the Covid-19 pandemic and lockdowns, a break in, and insufficient presales.

In February 2022, the finance company Vincent Capital Ltd stopped funding to the companies and requested e repayment by 26 May 2022. Her subsequent attempts to refinance the development were unsuccessful.

DDL Homes South Ltd, in liquidation, had a director and shareholder Harjit Singh Dheil, also of 918 Redoubt Road, Flat Bush, Auckland.

In 2019, Harjit Singh Dheil was convicted of blackmail and sentenced to home detention. In May last year, the High Court gave Dheil a dispensation from a resultant Companies Act ban on being a company director.

Justice Mathew Downs said Dheil’s offending was “calculated and serious”, but he was otherwise of good character, and had no other convictions.

“The offending occurred more than six years ago. It represents a departure–not a pattern.”

The judgment was reported as including “the defendant’s wife no longer wished to hold the fort”.
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October 11, 2022 2:15pm
krazykiwi

Canadian government is admits that is has a $105m contract with The World Economic Forum for development of the Known Traveler Digital ID system based on distributed ledger technology and/or biometric technology. This from a government that froze the bank accounts of people who bought t-shirts in support of freedom protesters.
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October 11, 2022 2:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

New Zealand Accepts Farm-Level Pricing of Agricultural Emissions.
Misleading headline, relayed by Tracy Withers Tue, 11 October 2022 at 1:45 pm.

The government will adopt the main recommendation from the He Waka Eke Noa primary sector climate action partnership to price the emissions at the farm level rather than including them in the nation’s emissions trading scheme, Ardern said Tuesday in Wellington.
Now what does that mean? Farm level rather that the ETS?

https://nz.yahoo.com/finance/news/zealand-accepts-farm-level-pricing-004559020.html
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October 11, 2022 2:53pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It means that each farmer will pay a tax on their emissions at a rate determined by the Government. The emissions will not be part of the ETS. If farmers were in the ETS, they would need to purchase New Zealand Units at a price determined by the market to cover their emissions.
  
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  October 11, 2022 3:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So, the price is not at a fixed price by ETS, but a price that the Govt determines? That is very variable. Socialist – pay or lose the farm.
    ‘Lose the farm’ old NZ saying Benedict
    
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    October 11, 2022 3:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Co Governance.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/What-Is-Co-Governance-An-Astoundingly-Wrong-Maori-Explanation-Part-4-2.pdf
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October 11, 2022 3:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I do hope people are watching the emails I relay. I have not been nailed up yet, but I’m sure some will show their true colours soon.
  Remember, I am the messenger. This is freely available on the www dot thingy.
  
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  October 11, 2022 3:10pm
Ghost

I would hope that a new sentence would come with deportation once sentence is finished for him and his disgusting mother

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300709771/crown-appeal-of-controversial-home-detention-sentence-for-teen-rapist-begins

The Crown is set to argue its appeal of the nine-month home detention sentence handed to 18-year-old Jayden Meyer, who raped four girls and sexually violated another when they were all 15.

The appeal, filed by deputy Solicitor-General Madeleine Laracy, is to be heard in the Rotorua High Court on Tuesday afternoon.
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October 11, 2022 3:53pm
Jethrod

Back in the19th century the American bison or Buffalo roamed North America in their tens of millions.
They are and were a ruminant like the 5 million cattle we have in NZ. Those bison 🦬 have been killed off to the point of extinction only to be replaced by our cattle. Surely this balances out the methane in our atmosphere and that means that a climate Tax is really not needed.
Surely the focus , if necessary, should be on the highly industrial countries that pour out vast amounts of smoke, steam and other very toxic chemicals.
But little Jimmy thinks he can fix the climate single handed.
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October 11, 2022 5:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Buffalos do not fart or burp. We all know that, but BMW Jimmy missed being taught that at school.
If you get chauffeured in a BMW, you can fix anything – just ask how. Jimmy must have a smart phone, no?//
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October 11, 2022 5:14pm
Warren

I have been saying since the ram raids started that these kids will get bored and decide to go bigger, well it’s happened in Huntly this morning with a young person holding up the bus driver with a knife and cleaning out the car till . This has been encouraged by the actions of our Prime Minister and the Police and again shows if there is no consequences thi gs will get worse.
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October 11, 2022 5:25pm
Takere

And just as I suspected.
So we’re all coming to realise that the yoofs are all full of shit! They make a lotta noise but cometh the day, they don’t turn up!

PS. Dont tell them we know!!

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/10-10-2022/the-great-boomer-backlash-of-2022
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October 11, 2022 5:26pm
Ghost

Sounds like the media are butt hurt. I doubt they would be writing such articles had labours guy won. End of the day he won, doesn’t matter how many voted.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-a-clear-mandate-from-15-per-cent-of-the-city-how-radical-can-wayne-brown-be/XMNFR57X65HLJGMJK2QEPWYSKQ/

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown convincingly won the election on the promise that he would fix the city.

In his victory address, he said that he had been given a massive mandate for change.

But how big is that mandate when considering that votes cast for him represent only 15 per cent of the voting-age population of Auckland?
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October 11, 2022 6:37pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “But how big is that mandate when considering that votes cast for him represent only 15 per cent of the voting-age population of Auckland?”
  
  Is the media coming after the new Wellington mayor using the same logic?
  
  Sure Wellington turn out was higher than Auckland at 45 percent, but that is nether here nor there. You could still run the line that the new Wellington mayor has “no mandate”.
  
  https://wellington.govt.nz/news-and-events/news-and-information/our-wellington/2022/10/tory-whanau-mayor
  
  IMO Wellington folk can reap the consequences over the next three years.
  
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  October 11, 2022 7:34pm
Ghost

A new tax? Won’t happen jacinda promised no new taxes, just lots of new or increased not taxes.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/exclusive-new-zealand-ranked-136th-in-world-on-fair-wealth-distribution-leading-to-call-for-new-tax.html

The Government needs to tax wealth and corporates more – that’s the call from Oxfam Aotearoa after its international inequality index found New Zealand ranks 136th out of 161 countries when it comes to fair wealth distribution.

It found our tax policies rank just 91st in the world while our labour rights place us in 74th.
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October 11, 2022 6:42pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “It found our tax policies rank just 91st in the world while our labour rights place us in 74th.”
  
  Who is 1st in the world on each measure?
  
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  October 11, 2022 7:28pm
  - Ghost
    
    Here is an interesting part from msn
    
    Norway topped the index overall for policies aimed at reducing inequality, followed by Germany, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Japan, Denmark and New Zealand.
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/south-korea-improving-on-inequality-hong-kong-slipping-oxfam/ar-AA12OJ2s
    
    But looking at this report I think we are doing fine
    https://oxfamilibrary.openrepository.com/bitstream/handle/10546/621419/rr-cri-2022-111022-en.pdf;jsessionid=AC4C33B9DC8B87B36F21AA646C3A9535?sequence=5
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:06pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Well, that’s a bit Eurocentric
      
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      October 11, 2022 9:40pm
- Prince
  
  Isn’t Oxfam the ‘charity’ that was found to spend most of their donations on admin and marketing ?
  Seems you can add bogus survey to that.
  
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  October 11, 2022 8:23pm
  - Ghost
    
    And the sex for aid scandal
    
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    October 11, 2022 8:38pm
Ghost

More information coming out on the Peter Ellis case, including that police wanted to charge his mother

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/peter-ellis-civic-creche-case-newsroom-journalist-melanie-reid-reveals-more-details-about-investigation.html
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