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Scott

One of the eye-opening revelations of the last few years is the power of governments to totally co-opt the media to their cause. In America for example the Democrat party have totally captured the media so they don’t report on issues like chaos at the southern border. When Trump was in power the media were all over suffering at the border. Headlines read “Trump puts kids in cages!” Even though the cages were constructed in the Obama era. Now millions of illegal immigrants are strolling across the border and no one cares. Internment camps are full to overflowing. But the media are just not concerned.

We see this same phenomena here in New Zealand. John Campbell wept on television at the plight of the homeless when National was the government. Now there are more homeless people than ever before. People are crammed into motel rooms for years. Where is John Campbell? Nowhere to be found. Labour is in power so move on, nothing to see. Only next year when National hopefully regains the Treasury benches will John Campbell awaken from his slumber and find the homeless again.

The labour government has paid the media at least $55 million to report on issues like the Treaty of Waitangi. If they take the wrong slant they have to pay the money back. I think any incoming National government should take a leaf from the labour playbook. They should put aside $100 million to fund the media. Issues they could report on include –
– the importance of everyone having a job and the dangers of welfare dependency
– why mum and dad and the kids provides the best place to raise children and avoid welfare dependency
– are solar energy and wind power expensive failures?
– Is the planet really warming?
– The importance of equal treatment for everyone regardless of race
– why Western civilisation is awesome and its contribution to raising the living standards of everyone
– should we introduce the free market into education in an effort to raise our literacy and numeracy rates amongst our children?

I could go on and on. National needs to be wise when they next become government. Part of that wisdom is ensuring the message gets out and they get fair and balanced treatment from the media. Let Labour, when they are in opposition, reap what they have sown.
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October 10, 2022 8:03am
- alloytoo
  
  I think National (Once in power) should invoke the clause and demand the money back.
  
  Teach the media that government largess is a double edged sword.
  
  Oh and sell TVNZ etc.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:04am
  - Ghost
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    You do realise during the GFC National also gave $50 million to the media?
    
    And why sell tvnz, when running well it gives back to the government millions of dollars.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:08am
    - kowtow
      
      The govt has no money of its own .
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:24am
    - Yabster
      
      and what criteria was attached to the $50 m Ghost?…. I am sure you’re all over that right?- we all know the critera to sign up to PIJF.
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:27am
      - Ghost
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        I’m sure you can google, but let’s drop the pretence that National wouldn’t bail out the media when they already have shown they will.
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:39am
      - Yabster
        
        The point is PIJF has labour party policy attached- if they had bailed out the media and said no strings attached then not such a problem. Why should I goggle it? (I don’t use google- its corrupt- see UN statements..)- you made the statement you follow it up.
        
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        October 10, 2022 10:11am
      - Ghost
        
        If I got it wrong I admit it, but as I said I remember The hoopla over Joyce and the $40 million plus to tv3
        
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        October 10, 2022 10:29am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Ghost: National gave $50m to the media!
        
        Ghost (part 2): Steven Joyce gave $40m to TV3!
        
        Ghost (part 3): Steven Joyce loaned $40m to TV3
        
        Ghost (part 4): I might have got that wrong.
        
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        October 10, 2022 3:58pm
    - rouppe
      
      Would that be the ongoing funding of RNZ and NZ on Air funding?
      
      So something completely different then.
      
      Removing context in order to change the meaning isn’t that different to lying.
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:44am
      - Ghost
        
        You’d have to google to but I remember there was a $40 plus million loan to tv3, the left got shitty about that being Joyce’s old company. And there were others
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:50am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Ghost is misremembering things – again. Must be that incorporate thing. softens the brain.
        
        The story was about Media Works in 2011 seeking (and being granted approval) to defer payments on its radio licenses due to going bust, which was seen, by labour as a loan by government.
        
        So one arrangement was a deferred payment facility, that either never got called or was repaid, and the other is a $55m grant with strings attached.
        
        Totally the same thing!
        
        Try harder next time Ghost
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:57am
      - Ghost
        
        Again? As I said but you can’t read, people would have to google. Try harder to read. I remember the hoopla over the tv3 thing if it didn’t go ahead then I admit I got that wrong.
        
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        October 10, 2022 10:10am
      - rouppe
        
        I did do a Google. Nothing popped up other than what I mentioned.
        
        If you’re going to make an assertion maybe you should provide the evidence
        
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        October 10, 2022 10:04am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Ghost, it’s up to YOU to Google it! It’s like expecting the opposing lawyer to provide your legal team evidence to support your own case!
        
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        October 10, 2022 6:21pm
    - alloytoo
      
      It would appear that you are deliberately conflating license deferments with a fund that is enabled to call back “loans” to government.
      
      I am merely suggesting that a National government recall those loans in terms of the mechanism setup by Labour.
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:24am
    - redeye
      
      (BusinessDesk) MediaWorks’ subsidiary RadioWorks has repaid the $32.28 million outstanding on a “loan” signed off by former Communications Minister Steven Joyce that allowed the media group to defer payments to the Crown for radio spectrum licences.
      
      The balance of $32.28 million of principal plus interest was paid yesterday, almost two years ahead of schedule, current minister Amy Adams says.
      
      MediaWorks had originally owed $43.3 million plus GST and had previously made two payments of $11.9 million. The Crown charged the private equity-owned company interest of 11.2%.
      
      https://www.nbr.co.nz/mediaworks-repays-joyce-loan-for-radio-spectrum-licences/
      
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      October 10, 2022 12:22pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The media do not be bailed out, they are being bought by a rotten corrupt regime
      
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      October 10, 2022 12:26pm
    - Paulus
      
      Evidence please !
      
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      October 10, 2022 1:35pm
    - rouppe
      
      OK, and with some more information I did more searching.
      
      1. The sum involved wasn’t $50m, it was $43.3m.
      
      2. It wasn’t a loan, as in money given to them. Media works owed the government the money for radio spectrum licences. They could either call it in, bankrupting them, or enter into a repayment plan, much like winz and IRD do.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/4747311/Government-denies-MediaWorks-loan
      
      3. The debt was cleared.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/mediaworks-repays-joyce-loan-for-radio-licences/2R42OOHSYX3QRWXANW4U3U2OEE/#:~:text=MediaWorks‘ subsidiary RadioWorks has repaid,Crown for radio spectrum licences.
      
      So your statement was inaccurate on two counts, and misleading altogether.
      
      Now far be it from me to give you advice, but if your defence is “other people can Google it ” then your credibility is pretty shot
      
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      October 10, 2022 3:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        Oh no I remembered something wrong, and I’ve said a few times already that I got it wrong
        
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        October 10, 2022 3:30pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    alloytoo – If National plans to sell TVNZ, resident commie John Campbell will be up in arms and will visit every pub in the country drumming up support against the evil Nats.
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:40pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Fire him first.
      
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      October 10, 2022 3:23pm
- Cassandra
  
  Totally agree.What goes round comes round. And fine newspapers which print falsehoods such as the Treaty of Waitangi implying a partnership between the Crown and any part of the Maori population.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    And weather lies.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A bit of truth about the Treaty.
    https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:02am
  - Paulus
    
    And now we have a new undefined concept in Law – Tikanga as uncessarily used by the Supreme Court in the disgraceful Peter Ellis case, and now a precedent to what ever you want it to be.
    Parliamentary Law must be paramount superceeding even the Treaty of Waitangi.
    This is not.
    
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    October 10, 2022 1:39pm
- Random T Person
  
  If you understand principle you will understand that doing the same thing Labour does with the media, but with preferred narratives, is no better than what Labour itself has already done.
  Tackle the problem with a solution, not by repeating the problem.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:12am
  - Scott
    
    Random T Person – that is the weak point in my argument I agree. However here is the problem. It’s here in New Zealand. It’s in the United States as well.
    When the left get in power they do whatever they want and make huge changes and in this case totally co-opt the media to their course.
    When the centre-right gets in power they operate by the Marquess of Queensbury rules, they leave all of the leftist initiatives intact and they may be tinker around the edges with slightly lower tax rates.
    
    So I agree in principle with your idea of principles. However the centre-right fight so timidly that they end up being good losers. See the problem?
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:54am
- Rusty
  
  Scott– Its obvious to me the neo-marxist UN/WEF and other global organisations formulate our PMs thinking about the running of this country.
  
  If Luxon and National do win next year it will be interesting what their attitude will be.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:53am
  - kiwimike
    
    Christopher Luxon and National will not save us from Jacinda Aedern’s Maori Apartheid.
    1. they are vested in it.
    – UNDIP signed.
    – TOW the founding document of NZ
    
    2. Luxon won’t call out the racists aspect of 3 waters, he oly talks to the money.
    
    3. Luxon won’t call out the Apartheid aspect of race based Laws.
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:09am
    - Matt Long
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/peter-ellis-case-supreme-courts-audacious-decision-on-tikanga-audrey-young/CEG73GETMN3S47LKUHFJ5S2XY4/
      In fact the Supreme Court has just changed the law to introduce Tikanga Moari as a new “the Law is whatever we want” statute. Formerly Tikanga had to be fair and reasonable and in line with common law, but this was white colonialist oppression.
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:36am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        I commented on this elsewhere – very mixed feelings about the Ellis decision. On the one hand, delighted that a long series of judicial travesties has finally (albeit belatedly) been recognised and reversed.
        
        On the other, a feeling of dread that there’s now a judicial precedent for a totally BS principle of “tikanga maori”.
        
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        October 10, 2022 4:02pm
- Squeek
  
  I think the Herald is starting to realise this and changing their tune a bit. More balance of stories and often critical or questioning of the government.
  
  Whereas Stuff appears to be hanging their hat on the Labour / Greens position most of the time with slanted articles.
  
  Stuff is in fact stuffed without the media subsidies and government advertising as they have no paywall revenue stream.
  
  I’m not sure of the relative advertising revenues between Stuff and The Herald but The Herald has become a national news outlet online, rather than just Auckland, so each may have roughly the same advertising base.
  
  But it will be interesting to see what happens with a change in government. Perhaps the Stuff strategy is ‘we can’t do without them’ – not enough competition- so they can’t be allowed to fail and the subsidies must continue for everyone.
  
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  October 10, 2022 1:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

New Mayor promises more road cones.

Wellingtonians to get what they voted for.
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October 10, 2022 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  I hope they’re made from flax or some non polluting ,turtle strangling ,fish killing, carbon emitting, non hydro carbon substance.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:27am
  - Ehlana
    
    Corn starch is biodegradable.
    
    Not sure if it is good for the waterways though.
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wellingtonians 2023
  
  https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/mcs/media/images/71086000/jpg/_71086421_9142674_b0e8f747fa_z.jpg
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:38am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Don’t you mean ‘Wokingtonians’ there Maggy? 🙂
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:20am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Can’t be – they’d be painted in rainbows for sure.
    
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    October 10, 2022 4:03pm
pdm

Spot the difference

Brown in the office at 8am to meet with key staff and do a resume of where the council is at financially.

Tory Whanau doing a media breakfast possibly on the councils dime – she wasn’t sure who was paying for it.
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October 10, 2022 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lefties are cunning. The Tory knew dam well who was paying. Get to your office woman, this is not a game – there is work to be done. Oh, sorry, I said that 4 letter word “work!”
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nothing cunning about them
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:53am
  - backster
    
    Should have said Mahi Steve.
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:53am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Still a 4 letter woed.
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:21am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Get to your office woman, this is not a game – there is work to be done.
    
    She said: ‘It was just such an amazing moment’ – Wrong Response.
    
    A response like she had just won Powerball and she can now do what ever she wants. It is NOT about her. It is about the people that elected her, and the needs of the city. It is a job, not winning a place in a beauty contest.
    
    Anyone winning mayoralty in this broken country should know there is a lot of hard work to be done. It is a challenge and a lot of hard work, not all beer and skittles.
    
    Wayne Brown was at work at 8.00am ready to shovel shit against the entrenched socialism and excess Ivory Tower spending.
    
    Tory Whanau has been handed what should be a shit shovel, but she sees it as a magic wand. She has no idea, at all. Just another trougher!
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:56am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Tory has had her Lotto-winning moment
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:03am
      - JackRabbit
        
        So true! And entered a beauty contest.
        
        https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/real-life/winning-lotto-made-me-miserable-45856
        
        Having entered a beauty pageant, Tory ate as few calories as possible in her daily meal – usually just chicken, broccoli and rice – and exercised twice a day, six days a week…
        
        …She has also bought a whole new wardrobe ahead of her campaign for the October election…
        
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        October 10, 2022 11:11am
      - C-Town
        
        She was complaining that winning lotto made her miserable and there were lots of people asking for money. Now she’s in charge of Wellington City’s budget. She’s going to get a lot more people asking her for money now.
        
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        October 10, 2022 3:54pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Breakfast should have been yesterday.
  Ms Whanau should have been in the Mayoral office being briefed by 7.30am.
  Start as you mean to continue…
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:39am
  - Cassandra
    
    She has. Lots of work can be done over breakfast – by the cook!
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:08am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A breakfast yesterday she would probably pay from her own pocket, best get on the nurturing tit ASAP. It is the way of the left.
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:10am
- Simon
  
  Auckland Shitty Council is insolvent. When the books are opened up there is nothing but carnage. Look for all the off balance sheet liabilities of the subsidiaries. Rising interest rates will take care of the rest. Auckland Shitty Council is heavily indebted.
  
  There will have to asset sales to pay for the carnage.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:41am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Start with the Port – being run by idiots.
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:09am
    - Master Mariner
      
      But they have a World First Electric tug called Sparky.//
      Along with worse performance in efficiency and Health and Safety.
      This is the trouble when Assets are Politicised.
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:39am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Don’t forget the electric ferry too, Cap’n
        
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        October 10, 2022 4:06pm
    - Mike H S
      
      And the airport shares while they are on a high.
      
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      October 10, 2022 1:16pm
    - Harry Knuts
      
      Agreed. How many years and million did ports of auckland spend on their failed IT port automation project? Also put the ports way behind on actually doing their day job.
      
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      October 10, 2022 1:22pm
    - Paulus
      
      Port of Auckland needs to be sold on the same basis as Port of Tauranga, 50% to the public and 50% retained until it can be seen it is really viable.
      It will then have outside public scrutiny to perform.
      
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      October 10, 2022 1:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ah, but was Tory available for the Media yesterday?
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  October 10, 2022 8:48am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I would love to be a fly on the wall when Brown gives the Town Clerk and the Boards and CEOs of the Out of Control Council Organisations the message to cut costs or Foxtrot Oscar. All these wastrels have every known is Leftie Mayors who went along with the waste.
  Well now its different. The Ratepayers are calling the tune thru a Mayor and majority of Councillors who understand value of money.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Auckland Transport CEO is already heading for the hills.
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:13am
    - Nickc2
      
      I’m informed there are a few positions available in the Back Room of the Green Party.
      
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      October 10, 2022 12:09pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That was the Chair, but it’s a good start.
      
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      October 10, 2022 4:07pm
- Steve Todd
  
  @pdm @ 8:12AM
  
  A miserable comment, from a mean-spirited old man.
  
  Tory has spent the morning meeting staff and being shown around the mayoral office — in other words, being inducted. She is now on Wellington Mornings with Nick Mills.
  
  Don’t forget, the final result has not been announced yet. Tory is not the mayor, she is the mayor-elect (as is Wayne Brown). She gets sworn in on Wednesday, 26 October.
  
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  October 10, 2022 11:23am
Tomtoddy

Seems like our Supreme Court is very deliberately straying into extreme activism in the Peter Ellis case. This is deeply disturbing. It involves tikanga. They are making up the rules as they go without any legislative framework. They have jumped ahead of the Law Commission who were carrying out work on how tikanga should be incorporated into suitable cases.

The outcomes are obvious. The delivery of the law becomes whimsical, determined by the judge on the day, without a recognised and established framework and without Parliament’s authority. It is a dangerous precedent. It is arrogant and ignorant.
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October 10, 2022 8:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Could you please elaborate?
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:18am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    There is an Audrey Young article about it in the Herald. Looks like the judegs have jumped the legall shark and have effectively created the beginnings of a two tier justice system…..reading between the lines.
    
    Its in premium so not available unless you use a paywall bypasser.
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:24am
    - kowtow
      
      Join press reader via your local authority library .
      
      At least you’ll get something back out of your swingeing rates .
      
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      October 10, 2022 8:53am
      - Ghost
        
        I believe herald and stuff took their publications away from press reader
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:06am
      - kowtow
        
        herald’s there this very moment.
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:30am
      - Ghost
        
        Good they must of reached a deal with the herald, hopefully they will reach one with stuff
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:33am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I believe that Press Reader checks that the library card you use against the home district of the relevant newspaper. Thus, the DP cannot be viewed by Wellingtonians etc.
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:47pm
  - Yvette
    
    Peter Ellis: Supreme Court decision reaffirms tikanga relevance to legal framework
    
    In Friday’s decision, the Supreme Court justices said the granting of the continued appeal was specifically tied to the circumstances of Peter Ellis, in terms of the public interest, concern and the possibility of a miscarriage of justice, rather than tikanga itself.
    
    But, significantly, considerations of tikanga and Ellis’ continued reputation were incorporated into the end decisions, with each justice dwelling on it in their reasoning. They did, however, say it stood alongside other factors, such as the interests of finality, the weight of personal and public interest, and whether there was a potential miscarriage of justice to be addressed.
    
    Three of the justices – O’Regan, Glazebrook, and Arnold – wrote that while tikanga may be relevant, it “did not necessitate a modification of the test set out”.
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/476286/peter-ellis-supreme-court-decision-reaffirms-tikanga-relevance-to-legal-framework
    
    It would seem that in this case a potential miscarriage of justice should to be addressed and considerations of tikanga (the specific aspect tikanga being a right to clear his name or re-establish his mana, even if dead – as mana and reputation carry on in whakapapa, rather than an individual’s life) or simply Ellis’ continued reputation, were only a follow-on from clearing the injustice.
    
    While the contra view is –
    But Friday’s reasoning from the highest court were expected to clarify questions about how two systems and world views could be melded, particularly in the case of Ellis, a Pākehā.
    Even among Māori, there was concern about whether Crown institutions, like courts, should ever be the arbiter of tikanga.
    Because tikanga is an expression of rangatiratanga determined within iwi, hapū and marae. For the courts, which sit within the sphere of kāwanatanga, to adjudicate on tikanga would seem a gross overstep, a breach of the promises of rangatiratanga.
    And after all, 90 percent of judges who would be weighing such decisions are Pākehā.
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:46am
    - kowtow
      
      The judges are engaging in cultural appropriation , which is racist .
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:04am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Well kowtow, I saw a Maori in a suit the other day, that’s cultural appropriation as well……
        
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        October 10, 2022 10:24am
    - G152
      
      The law should prosecute/sue those socalled professionals (psychologists) who lied about what happened and made up stories and lied in court under oath.
      The 90s were not a nice time
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:30am
    - Scott
      
      Ummm – Western constitutional jurisprudence has evolved over centuries. Under those laws we have a peaceful and united country where two races have peacefully coexisted since around 1871.
      
      Incorporating Maori law means incorporating a primitive tribal system over a land that was never united as a country and involved incessant warfare. Why swap the legal system of a far superior civilisation for that of a primitive tribal system?
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:01am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Ouch!
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:49pm
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Ellis had died before the case was heard. The court had to decide whether Ellis’s appeal should go ahead despite his death and asked lawyers to consider the relevance of tikanga, which held that a person’s mana continued after their death, the mana also applying to a person’s whānau.
    
    In regard to tikanga, the court said it was unanimous that tikanga “has been and will continue to be recognised in the development of the common law of Aotearoa/New Zealand in cases where it is relevant”.
    
    The courts have had regard to matters of tikanga previously but within strict guidelines. Three of the judges decided these guidelines were “colonialistic”, whatever that means, and should no longer apply.
    
    So now we have the courts making up the “rules” as they go along. Any activism is dangerous and should not be tolerated as it means the courts are usurping the role of Parliament and undermines the very core of democracy.
    
    In regard to “tikanga” the activism aspect is multiplied many times because no one knows the definite meaning of the term. It varied between tribes and has been interpreted and enhanced over time. It is corrupting our legal system and should be stopped. There is no place in the courts for indistinct and unknown terms and concepts. More trouble lies ahead.
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:51am
    - crikey
      
      Yes, Tomtoddy, and the substantial miscarriage of justice against Peter Ellis should have been determined a long time ago without the “need” to rely on tikanga to do so. The previous courts that denied Ellis’s appeals should be hanging their collective heads in shame.
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:00am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      The Ellis family knows the definitive meaning of Tikanga, you sound like you want to remove that from them. Activism or not it is timely. Arguably Tikanga was already in existence under the Royal Prerogative of Mercy.
      Prove your claim that no one knows the definitive meaning of the term, a definitive meaning will be tested many times in the future. In many respects, it has been used before to acknowledge the wrongfulness of the wrongly-hanged chief from Opotiki.
      The Haig case where certainly information continues to be blocked by the SG is another case where it may apply, there are others.
      
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      October 10, 2022 12:31pm
    - Paulus
      
      Common sense could have prevailed instead !
      
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      October 10, 2022 1:47pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Ben. The allowing of an appeal to continue when the appellant is dead is not normal under British based law.
    
    The appeal here has been bolster by an argument that Ellis mana continues even though he is dead, so under tikanga his family has a right to restore his mana via the appeal.
    
    At least that is my understanding.
    
    This of course is another strand in the attack on Western values in NZ – pushing Te Ao Maori as superior to all else.
    
    IF NZ wants a dead person to have rights in certain circumstances like these before the courts, then it should be via an Act of Parliament, not by Supreme Court jurists deciding what they think should be how we do things.
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:55am
  - rouppe
    
    They used “tikanga” to change what would normally have happened in the Ellis case, which is dropping it due to his death.
    
    How long before Tikanga is used to give a Maori different justice to a non Maori?
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:49am
    - Paulus
      
      rouppe
      Not long !
      
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      October 10, 2022 1:47pm
    - JJ56
      
      No, common law can allow continuation and this was enough in this case.
      
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      October 10, 2022 6:52pm
- Mike H S
  
  Agreed. Peter Ellis deserved to have his reputation cleared dead or alive, maori or not.
  
  Justice must be colour blind.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    Ah, but in NZ, Maori are permitted to put a hand on whichever side of the Scales (weight) of Justice they like.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They would never do that//
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:18am
      - Nickc2
        
        Both hands and feet mate!
        
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        October 10, 2022 11:27am
- peterwn
  
  In the absence of legislative framework the High Court (and above) have to fill in the gaps – they always have done. If Parliament does not like it, then Parliament can legislate accordingly. Not sure how ‘tikanga’ is involved in this case. One could argue that there was ‘extreme activism’ when the case was originally tried and the sort of expert evidence advanced and the way evidence was adduced from children. These were areas not legislated for.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:27am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    “Tikanga” was thought to apply because it is supposed to mean the life force continues after death. Therefore Ellis was still a living force entitled to seek justice.
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:56am
    - backster
      
      St Peter will ensure he gets it.
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:00am
      - peterwn
        
        Yes, he has an awkward Job. He will have to persuade Satan to present the vindicated at the one gate which St Peter will unlock with one key He will then pass briefly into limbo until St Peter unlocks the other gate with his other key and let him through.
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:19am
    - kowtow
      
      On that basis we can now look forward to all manner of Christian doctrine being introduced explicitly to the law / constitution . ( yeah right)
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:10am
- Simon
  
  “The outcomes are obvious. The delivery of the law becomes whimsical, determined by the judge on the day”
  
  Its about creating more work for lawyers. This is NZ’s legal system. All this woke virtue signaling shit is about lawyer greed. Harm to society doesnt matter there are legions of useless lawyer clowns that need the work.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:36am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “Its about creating more work for lawyers.” Nope, that isn’t what its about at all. It’s about introducing “tikanga” into the justice system – expect to see hundreds of defendants use it as a get-out-of-jail-free card any tick of the clock.
    
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    October 10, 2022 4:10pm
- Yvette
  
  Surely an Appeal is to question whether a miscarriage of justice occurred.
  A consequence of a successful appeal is that the appellant’s name is cleared.
  The aspects of tikanga that may have paralleled this case is then that it restores the man’s mana, or clears his name.
  Tikanga offers nothing ’new’, it just augments the obvious.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:21am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Sadly, in this case the appeals process was exhausted for Peter Ellis. He served every day of his sentence, and later died. The law in New Zealand is that a dead person cannot appeal their conviction, and the only way that this appeal was allowed was to introduce a complete non-sequitur: that Ellis’s mana must be protected, even after death.
    
    So unbidden, and unasked for by either the appellant or the Crown, the Supreme Court decided to introduce a new concept into the justice system, one which puts as at the top of a very slippery slope, and gives it a good push.
    
    That’s not only new, it’s terrifying. The obvious was to recognise that no crimes of the nature alleged ever (or could have ever) taken place, and that Peter Ellis is the victim of egregious miscarriages of justice at every stage of the process. But they left it too late.
    
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    October 10, 2022 4:13pm
- kiwimike
  
  I thought that whilst listening to the radio.
  All Law needs a Framework to work from.
  esp for us mere mortals to understand.
  We sadly have a very small gene pool in NZ in the Law environment.
  
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  October 10, 2022 11:13am
Gravelroad

@pdm-
The ratepayers will be paying for it.
Why would she care, anyway?
Hope all those attending were checked at the door to ensure they walked, biked or bussed to the venue.
That is all that matters in Wgn now.
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October 10, 2022 8:18am
- peterwn
  
  Serves the ratepayers who vote for her right.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:28am
  - rouppe
    
    What about those of us that didn’t
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What’s the bet that the Tory was picked up by the Mayoral Limousine? My bet is ‘of course she was’
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:35am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis makes a good point.

Prue retweets…..

“In a civilised society, it’s the toss-of-a-coin and a friendly handshake over the net”

https://twitter.com/rugbyworldcup/status/1578633642431037441
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October 10, 2022 8:18am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And cucumber sandwiches, hard boiled eggs, bags of salad, heaps of tomatoes and LASHINGS of ginger beer!!
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Pims’ in the afternoon
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:21am
- Ghost
  
  Amazing, I’ve never seen so many empty seats at an event that is claimed to of been sold out
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:45am
  - I remember when
    
    Did the tickets reach all those children who were told they would get a free one.
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:55am
    - MCōs
      
      We paid $20 each for cheap seats behind the dead ball line and the grandkids $5.
      We’re we ripped off?
      The place may not have have been full at any one time, but with three games I suspect some supporters from the earlier games didn’t hang around.
      The wee kids loved everything & the Blackferns game was great, haka, Poi E, Rita Ora, rugby and all
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:05am
  - Yabster
    
    Yep- why are the media obsessed with a full stadium and a record crowd etc- some inconveinent facts:
    
    You could pay $10 to see three games plus Rita Ora.
    
    Was reported the crowd was 34,000 but they sold 40,000 tickets- so 6,000 at least bought a ticket and didn’t bother? Maybe corporate tickets.
    
    Not sure at those price points and grouping games the Womans RWC would be economic (largely dependant on TV rights).
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:56am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Why do these entertainers like Rita dress like hookers looking for a lay ? Her costume for such an event was ridiculous.
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:34am
      - MCōs
        
        Who were you expecting?
        The Singing Nun?
        
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        October 10, 2022 1:33pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Splitting hairs I know… but The Singing Nun was a record label (and a lass called Sœur Sourire).
        
        You may have meant The Flying Nun – yes? 😉
        
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        October 10, 2022 1:51pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @kk – you’re a little off the mark. Flying Nun is a record label, but Singing Nun is not.
        
        The Singing Nun was a Belgian lass, and the Flying Nun was a TV program starring a young Sally Field, which I suspect you know.
        
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        October 10, 2022 4:19pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Not really like watching women’s Tennis, Beach Volleyball or even golf for that matter….
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:49am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

with businesses struggling, why won’t immigration bz re-issue work visa to this who have had one in the past? if the worker is willing to come back to nz, after successful previous visa why can’t they get a ew visa? seems like govt enjoys labour shortages – wonder why?
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October 10, 2022 8:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You should have heard the waffle from Wood on Hosking this morning, msn did the text machine go off
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:55am
  - Joe Banana
    
    Wood’s is saying “the road are in disrepair because of National”
    Labour have had the Treasury benches for 14 of the last 23 years.
    Wood is a complete imbecile.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:20am
    - Ghost
      
      Timaru to Temuka road was set for an upgrade, $19 million set aside, has never been done because labour took the money for elsewhere. When National got in they spent considerable money repairing the neglected roads from the Clark government, they will have to do the same when this government is kicked out.
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:25am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The roads have only decayed the last two years
      
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      October 10, 2022 12:28pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Second opinion not required!
      
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      October 10, 2022 12:38pm
Tempist

Arsenal back on top with a good home result against Liverpool, not sure if it shows how much Arsenal have improved or Liverpool have gone backwards….
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October 10, 2022 8:20am
- JimBobJoe
  
  BIt of both, my Reds are in decline. Can’t defend to save themselves and constantly going 1 nil down.
  
  Its going to be a long season as a Redmen supporter unfortunately… but we have had a great last 7 years sine Jurgen arrive, so cant complain too much.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Tempist – as one pundit put it, Liverpool are performing 10% down on last season, Arsenal are performing 20% up. I think that’s a fair assessment.
  I’m a 50 year Liverpool supporter. We’ve had a great few years but something isn’t quite working. Salah is off his best, the defence is leaking like a sieve. Mane is missed obviously and I think they’ve changed their system to accommodate Darwin Nunez as an out and out striker.
  I’m hoping Klopp has a “cunning plan” and we can get a run in the Champions League. We’ll need to pull finger to even qualify for next season’s CL.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:21am
  - Jethrod
    
    Both Liverpool and Arsenal need to watch Ted Lasso and get a few pointers……
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:47am
  - oldfella
    
    Clan: Chris Wood might be keen to move to Liverpool. Only half joking.
    Sadly, not sure he’ll get much game time this year at Newcastle. 😉
    
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    October 10, 2022 12:22pm
I remember when

The media seem to be rushing to explain that the Local Body results didn’t have a high enough voter participation to show that it wasn’t a vote again Labour.
Of course, the sixty percent that didn’t vote could all be Labour voters withholding their votes to show that they think there should be small tweaks, to the way we are being governed.
Or, they could admit that they have been failing to reflect the true feelings of the electorate.
However, if National do succeed at the General Election, this fault will be instantly rectified.
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October 10, 2022 8:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What bullshit, turn out the same as 2019
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:56am
Nickc2

So Nanaia Mahuta wants a review of how Local Govt Elections are carried out (NewsTalk ZB 08:30AM News).
I doubt she would be calling for that had Labour Candidates been in the ascendency eh?
Corruption in Govt circles rears its ugly head again.
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October 10, 2022 8:39am
- Ghost
  
  Luxon is calling for it to
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    He’s not the minister responsible!
    Where and when did he say that?
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:43am
    - Ghost
      
      “It’s really disappointing to see such a low voter turnout around the country, so I think it’s time we go back and ask some questions about what we can do to improve voter engagement.
      
      “I think postal votes, for example, are something we need to ask some serious questions about,” he said.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300708654/national-party-leader-christopher-luxon-adds-to-calls-for-a-review-of-local-government-voting-process
      
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      October 10, 2022 8:54am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’ll pay that one even though it’s a Stuff quote. However, he can’t do anything until his Govt’s elected.
        
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        October 10, 2022 9:07am
      - kiwimike
        
        Haha Ghost
        misintepreting once again.
        
        Mahuta calls for look at LG elections why?
        
        Luxon calls because of low voting levels,…..
        
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        October 10, 2022 11:17am
      - Ghost
        
        Nope, luxon is calling for a review which is what I said
        
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        October 10, 2022 11:29am
      - Nickc2
        
        IMO, most of us, including myself were inclined to vote one way or the other in order to send a message to our National Govt that all weren’t happy in the land of Hermit Peasants.
        Maybe if those standing for election had some charisma and presented alternatives in such a way as to attract votes, we peasants would have turned out in mass to vote for those presenting the best options and clear unbiased avenues ahead.
        However, that didn’t happen and the peasants who did vote voted along Political Party lines.
        That said, I’m pleased most of whom I voted for were elected.
        
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        October 10, 2022 11:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        We voted at the booth when I was younger, then we had the opportunity to vote on line a few elections ago, ho back to the booths, and leave it at that, postal is fraught with cheating, my mothers papers came on the post I could have voted twice, I didn’t, but lefties I know did cheat
        
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        October 10, 2022 12:32pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, he is calling for it to be looked at, Mahuta is changing democracy remember, the vulgar rat told us that
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:58am
  - Warren
    
    Ghost there is a big difference in Luxon calling for it than others like Mahuta, Luxon is doing it for the right reasons , the Left are doing it because they lost and they need a scapegoat , that being racism.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:38am
- All_on_Red
  
  What happened to all the other ‘reviews’?
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:44am
- Inandout
  
  Nick, she wants online voting and thinks an inquiry will help, and yes they won’t even have to get off their arses. If she is in ‘inquiry’ mode then this country desperately needs a Royal Commission on the Covid fiasco.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:48am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    she is in inquiry mode only when labour desperate to facilitate a mechanism for vote rigging!
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Democrats and Dominion Machines??
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:33am
  - Nickc2
    
    Free Computers and Internet for the bros? They can’t vote unless the Gummit provides the stuff eh?
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Free computers infected with invisible software?
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:34am
- MCōs
  
  In my opinion the problem isn’t so much how the actual election is carried out, but the disengagement of the electorate.
  A huge number of people are not interested.
  People out this way wont see much change no matter who runs the city. They don’t care about special bus lanes on the North Shore or whether Queen St is 30 or 50kph or whatever it is.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maybe it’s the fact we have the worst government in NZ history and the opposition aren’t exactly inspirational? I voted, but I did so with a clothes peg on my nose. I hate voting solely to stop what I don’t want rather than what I do.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘ stop what I don’t want rather than what I do.’
    That will happen next year. The method is to vote Jaspinda and Labour out, not vote for what National may do.
    It’s just the way it is for some.
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:38am
- oldfella
  
  Nickc2: Mahuta’s hubby could do that review. Why not?
  He’s an amazing man with tons of talent in so many areas. //
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:24pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Many a true word is spoken in jest oldfella. No doubt he is busy signing the contract as we speak.
    No doubt a ‘Start Up’ fee is involved and already in his bank account.
    
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    October 10, 2022 12:29pm
Rusty

Efeso Collins is saying racialism could be the reason he lost the elections.

Somehow I had a feeling he might say that if he lost.

Actually the real reason he didn’t win is because Aucklanders have had enough of Labour lefties wrecking this beautiful city and turning it into an eye sore dump with overpriced projects they have to pay for.

Collins and the left should be more concerned why only 30% Aucklanders bothered to vote. Is it only conservatives that care about who the mayor is?
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October 10, 2022 8:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You had to be a bloody radical to vote for him fFS, careless days, car less roads, what’s the bloody world coming to
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:59am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The smug PM refutes the bleeding of Labour affiliates says Labour is done cause performance, source her own potty mouth
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:11am
- MCōs
  
  The word is *racism*
  I should imagine there was a far bit directed his way during the campaign, judging by what I know of the racial hate mail received by a public figure in our whanau.
  
  At least he didn’t make that claim during the campaign.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:11am
  - Harry Knuts
    
    if you read this you will find he/his wife did claim racism during his campaign, but the story wasn’t actually what happened. Seems an over sensationalized story got in the way of facts: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/driver-accused-of-dangerous-driving-and-abuse-towards-auckland-mayoral-candidate-efeso-collins-speaks-out/DKIOHXXRF3EOJMDBRVAO4O4OJE/
    
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    October 10, 2022 1:50pm
  - Sponge
    
    “At least he didn’t make that claim during the campaign.”
    
    Really?
    
    https://waateanews.com/2022/09/21/collins-navigates-through-racism-for-mayoral-run/
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:30pm
- Cassandra
  
  She has. Lots of work can be done over breakfast – by the cook!
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:15am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  He failed for three basic reasons:
  a) he is labour, who have lost the trust of the electorate
  b) he’s lazy and didn’t work very hard (just like Eagle)
  c) the Auckland Samoan community don’t rate him, so why should anyone else?
  
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  October 10, 2022 10:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Beautiful City’ – yes it is.
  Now the writing is on the wall for next year, spiteful Jaspinda, Labour, and lefties will be wanting to turn Auckland into a shithole for National. We have seen it before with Clark and Cullen. Remember, when the left lose, their attitude changes to spite very quickly. Nasty bastards.
  
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  October 10, 2022 11:44am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Collins was the only one playing the race/racist card. He needs to give this up. Voters had enough of lefties controlling local govt and weak leftie mayors having no balls to central govt. Goff is a prime example being the most recent, throughout the whole of 2021 with long drawn-out lockdowns in Auckland he failed to fight for local auckland business to lift the over-zealous restrictions. Completely bowed down to Cindy. Goff has ruined Auckland, the CBD is a shithole now.
  
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  October 10, 2022 1:33pm
Maggie Pie

“We don’t feel guilty of any public health risks…..”

– Nabhik Gupta (SHOSHA director-of operations)

ZB reporting there are now close to 1000 ‘Vape Shops’ in Aotearoa….the majority Indian owned or operated.

Just saying.
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October 10, 2022 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, add booze outlets to that 1,000.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What’s this fictional country of which you speak?
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:57am
  - Ghost
    
    I think it is a suburb of Remuera
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:01am
- Nickc2
  
  So long as it’s legal, who gives a fuck? As for who owns such shops, what’s that got to do with it?
  Is the Herald trying to promote racism against Indians?
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:22am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  My kids tell me that vapes are the only thing vape a good few of the vape shops are selling……
  
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  October 10, 2022 10:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Vaping is quite annoying. I know there are flavours, but who wants to stand next to a guy that smells like a strawberry muffin?
  
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  October 10, 2022 11:47am
  - Ra Henare
    
    and off course the ngr in the wood pile
    Many vapes are laced with drugs.
    
    That why many countries have outlawed them. Not nicotine vapes but because its so easy to lace vapes with drugs
    
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    October 10, 2022 3:01pm
I remember when

It’s probably unfair, but has Kris Faafoi damaged the reputation of the Tokelauan people by his actions.
Has he wasted an opportunity to advance the mana his people.
Tokelau is the smallest country in Oceania and the fourth smallest in the world, with a population of around 1400 in the islands and the same in New Zealand.
Role-models are very important.
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October 10, 2022 8:50am
Tauhei Notts

That Invercargill result has some national significance.
I had never ever heard of the winner, but second place went to a person with a huge media following. The fact that he was contaminated with regressivism (he calls it progressivism) got him beaten. Name recognition, which used to count heavily in local body politics, counts for nothing nowadays when one is contaminated.
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October 10, 2022 8:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What? Nobby Clark has been dep mayor to shadbolt for ages.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:13am
- Sacha
  
  Maybe, just maybe, the voters of Invercargill remember how Marcus Lush treated any dissidents who rang his talk-back show during the pandemic. He showed his true colours – abusive of anyone not towing the party line, & was given to prolonged monologues about the effectiveness of the vaccine. He refused to let anyone give their own opinion on anything to do with the management of the pandemic – in short he adopted a bullying, hectoring stance.
  Now, why would you vote for someone like that?
  I am not the only one who noticed how agreeable he became when he was in line for the mayoralty.
  And I heard on the radio yesterday, that he would often leave Council meetings early because he had to go to work, and that he planned to keep his radio job even if he became Mayor – so, two part time jobs!
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:17am
  - Ghost
    
    To me that is the way it should be, mayor shouldn’t be a full time job, and it doesn’t need to be as councils have CEO’s. they should either have a full time mayor and no ceo, or a part time mayor and a ceo.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:21am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yup, the man is a grade A dickhead. Automatically turn him off if he comes on the wireless.
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is a greenie, did you really think they would vote that shit?
    
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    October 10, 2022 12:37pm
- MCōs
  
  The new mayor of Invercargill, Nobby Clark, was the former deputy, which probably meant he was well known down there and that’s what matters, I’d have thought, not whether folks from elsewhere were familiar with him.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:23am
RRM

I assumed I must be some kind of out-of-touch, stale pale male boomer, because prior to the local elections I’d never heard of Tory Whanau.

Surely to become mayor of a major city, you must have a track record of years of public service to the community, and be a household name in the city? Right?

Wrong!

Tory Whanau had never done anything in politics except back room management of the Green Party:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tory_Whanau

That’s the real power of the embedded left, they can persuade their true believers to vote for anyone, as long as the party brand is the correct one.

That’s what the not-left is up against. I hope Luxon understands…
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October 10, 2022 8:54am
- Ghost
  
  Does Wayne Brown have such a track record? Our mayor, re-elected had no experience either before being elected, he simply owned a pub.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:05am
  - kowtow
    
    Owning a succesful business and being accountable to market demand , your suppliers , custmers , creditors and balancing the books would have to be one of the most important qualifications going.
    
    Lefties these days don’t care about any of the above.
    
    And the further left , the less important those quaities are.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:19am
    - Ghost
      
      You’d think, but it doesn’t always work out that way
      
      Timaru is a prime example, started developing a zone around the theatre for $29 million. Council has been covering up and trying to hide it is now ballooned out to $60 million
      
      Council brought three shops for I think $1.5 million, sold them to a developer for $350,000.
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:24am
  - Sacha
    
    Some Mayors have similar simple qualifications, like being a farmer . . . . . . . .
    I think Pub owners likely have a pretty good ear on the man-in-the-street’s opinions.
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:21am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      King Dick was a West Coast publican
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:58pm
  - Yabster
    
    except being and ex Mayor ?????
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:22am
    - Ghost
      
      Does he, I don’t live in Auckland so have no idea who he is or his background, thus my question
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:29am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Brown_(New_Zealand_politician) – bit of homework needed Ghost – or have I missed some point? Mind you – Auckland is welcome to him 🙂
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:48am
    - Ghost
      
      Glasses needed, and you’d see the question mark asking if brown had such experience. Jezz ask a question and the anal people jump on you
      
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      October 10, 2022 2:35pm
      - 70andstilllearning
        
        jeez – supply a full link with the info and a lite jibe and I’m the a…. one! 😉 FWIIW the the last bit concerns an “issue” he had during his previous mayoralty that’s also covered in the wiki ref.
        
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        October 10, 2022 3:11pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He does have a very extensive track record:
    The businessman has a legacy in leadership positions for some significant businesses and public infrastructure organisations, including TVNZ, Māori TV, Transpower, Vector Ltd, and was chair of the Land Transport Safety Authority.
    
    Brown’s history in Northland saw him originally appointed chairman of the Northland District Health Board and Tairāwhiti District Health Board in January 2001 when district health boards were established.
    
    At the end of 2001 he was appointed to chairman of the Auckland District Health Board and remained chair of Tairāwhiti DHB.
    
    In 2007, Brown became mayor of Far North District in a landslide victory over Yvonne Sharp.
    
    He was elected again in 2010
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/who-is-wayne-brown-meet-aucklands-new-mayor-a-banjo-playing-grandfather-from-northland/6PSSAAAAHUX6YAP6NSL2W73ZYI/
    
    Even Labour Ministers praised his efforts…
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/node/14740
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:11am
    - Ghost
      
      Thanks, you seem to be the only one who answered the question I asked, apart from seeing him a couple of times on the news the past week I have no idea who he is. Also no idea who collins is and his background, not an Aucklander so never looked.
      
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      October 10, 2022 2:38pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      AND he plays the banjo
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:00pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No no no, it’s Wellywood, just look at California
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:14am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Otherwise known as Wokington.
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You become very famous when your bank balance hits $1.2M.
  
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  October 10, 2022 11:51am
Yvette

Why did Jacinda’s supporters NOT vote in the local elections.

Why did Jacinda’s supporters, through the democratic process of local government elections, NOT give her the mandate to make her vast “3 Waters” changes to local government?

And as “co-governance” is the term most associated with “3 Waters”, why did Jacinda’s supporters NOT vote in favour of “co-governance”?
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October 10, 2022 9:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She says nothing to do with her performance
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:15am
- Yabster
  
  Cindy is her own socialist dreamworld – she is a blanant liar to boot:
  
  From an article:
  
  “It’s important to keep in mind that across the country we’ve still had 37 mayors re-elected, and that local government as a whole has supported (Three Waters) reform,” Ardern told RNZ.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:24am
I remember when

Was the vote for Wayne Brown racist?
Possibly yes, in the same way a Polynesian/Pacifica vote for Efeso Collins was racist.
Did Efeso err by his references during the campaign to racist incidents?
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October 10, 2022 9:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How is it racist to hate all things left, the right had other options as well, the left stacked a black fulla thinking this will do it
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:16am
  - Rusty
    
    Yes the “Brown” fella beat Collins.
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:38am
- kowtow
  
  By the same token surely if a brown voter votes for a brown candidate that too is racist , innit .
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:21am
Maggie Pie

And just happened to catch a somewhat dejected sounding Efeso Collins on ZB News last night telling reporters…. “Wayne and him had become good friends”.
Even went on to say Brownie had offered him a job!

Honestly, I nearly had pups. LOL!!
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October 10, 2022 9:08am
- Nickc2
  
  Strange, most humans who sleep with dogs get Fleas.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You never had it doggy-fashion Nicky? 😛
    
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    October 10, 2022 9:52am
    - Nickc2
      
      Not for a while Maggie. Enlighten me.
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It’s real good when they start barking!//
        
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        October 10, 2022 11:55am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Ever tried licking your balls Nickie?
        
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        October 10, 2022 1:07pm
I remember when

Once again a panelist on ‘The Nation’ has reminded me I am responsible for New Zealand’s terrible record of violence against children.
I am unable to remember any occasion when I had any involvement, or knowledge, in any such behaviour.
However, it must be true because whenever the subject comes up, I am reminded it is the case.
Is it possible that these reminders annoy us to such an extent they become counter-productive?
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October 10, 2022 9:15am
Benedict Yu

Florida surgeon general advises no males under 40 years of age to get the COVID vaccine because of the risk of cardiac side effects.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/10/09/florida-surgeon-general-warns-against-young-men-getting-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-whats-his-justification/
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October 10, 2022 9:25am
- surfing
  
  Don’t know why I bother these days, but it’s funny how you covid vaccine deniers never read your links….
  
  From direct quote from YOUR link….you should go read your article even though it doesn’t fit your narrative…
  
  “First of all, it’s important to note that this “analysis” has not been published in a reputable scientific journal. This is a key distinction because anyone can post something on a web site and call it an “analysis” just like anyone can upload a video of themselves interviewing their cats on to YouTube and call themselves a talk show host. There’s no indication that this “analysis” has undergone a full and proper review by experts in the field to determine whether it was done properly and whether the conclusions actually match the results.”
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:56am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Despite commenting here frequently you don’t seem to know that Benedict argued very articulately for the C-19 vaccines and got two injections himself because he had risk factors.
    
    However, unlike the vax fanatics he backed off when he realised they weren’t working as advertised and backed off further as evidence came to light of them causing heart problems with young men.
    
    Do you think a State Surgeon General just does this for shits and giggles? Do you not understand the concept of balancing competing risks?
    
    Here, I’ll make it simple for you: the risk of getting seriously ill or dying from any variant of the C-19 virus for people aged younger than 40 is almost zero – vs. the elevated risk from normal of heart and other problems in that age group who take the vaccine. It’s that simple.
    
    Oh, and obviously the whole argument about getting jabbed so as to prevent transmission – even if you’re not much at risk from C-19 yourself, the “selfish people” argument – collapsed back in early 2021.
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Benedict You has been a wealth of information regarding Covid 19 and the vaccines.
    The Govt lied to us (Hipkins, Blofeld, Baker etc) and the Govt withheld the truth. Just like Jaspinda lying by omission.
    
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    October 10, 2022 12:02pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Sigh. More vapid nonsense from you, surfing. Would you care to define “covid vaccine deniers” for us? Who are they? What, prey, to they ‘deny’? Again, in your own time …
    
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    October 10, 2022 1:46pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “but it’s funny how you covid vaccine deniers never read your links….”
    
    Are you talking to me? I had three shots thanks very much. Get your facts straight. 🙂 🙂
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:15pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Don’t know why I bother these days, but it’s funny how you covid vaccine deniers never read your links….”
    
    Just an addendum. I got sick of it about 6 months back, but I devoted about 40 – 60 minutes per day for 2 years reading all the data analysis I could on COVID and the vaccines.
    
    On balance, I decided to get the vaccine, because of my age and some underlying medical conditions. That is my choice alone.
    
    However there are two trends in the analysis that the New Zealand Government has never admitted.
    
    Firstly, most of the vaccinated become infected and are highly contagious. That made a nonsense of the vaccine passes and mandates in New Zealand.
    
    Secondly, there is a small but statistically significant risk of myocarditis to young men who are vaccinated.
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets…..

“The look of someone who’s been pissed on” 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/Coltheman1/status/1578974593528000513
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October 10, 2022 9:35am
ClanMcleod

State Surgeon General Dr. Joseph A. Ladapo Issues New mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance

Florida’s state surgeon general advising against 18-39 year old males getting jabbed.

analysis found that there is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination. With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group. Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks.

As such, the State Surgeon General recommends against males aged 18 to 39 from receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

Here in NZ they are still pushing it onto little children. Whoever is responsible should be on criminal charges and facing jail time.

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/FLDOH/bulletins/3312697
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October 10, 2022 9:35am
- surfing
  
  Please point to scientific journal that printed his analysis . You can’t , because it hasn’t.
  
  But, here is a peer review of the analysis from an expert….
  https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1578894014132408320
  
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  October 10, 2022 10:00am
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s a policy document, there is no expectation of it being printed in a scientific journal.
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:34am
    - surfing
      
      The policy is BASED ON AN UNPUBLISHED science paper!
      
      I’m not sure if you’re being deliberately ignorant. At best , you didn’t read any of the links.
      
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      October 10, 2022 11:05am
      - alloytoo
        
        The risk profile by age in respect of Omicron has been well established for months from multiple studies.
        
        There is a growing body of evidence regarding the myocarditis risk inherent with the vaccines.
        
        Even without the myocarditis signal the benefits of a vaccine which fails dismally to prevent infection, are, in the younger age group, non-existent.
        
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        October 10, 2022 3:40pm
      - david
        
        And the “pandemic response” of lockdowns and destroying the economy was based on?………….?
        
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        October 10, 2022 4:19pm
  - Taieri
    
    So, peer reviews are now conducted on Twitter?
    Well, what can I say…
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:39am
    - surfing
      
      No, there is no peer review of the science at all . Someone’s cat could have done this analysis for all we know.
      
      Anti-vaxxers avoid scrutiny like the plague!
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:56am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Good to see you still foaming about this, surfing. One day you’ll realise how silly your intransigence has made you look. But not too soon, please. It’s entertaining.
        
        Oh, and what is an “anti-vaxxer” please? Let’s have a scientific definition. In your own time. I’ll even accept one without peer review. Over to you.
        
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        October 10, 2022 1:39pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    At no point does it claim to be “peer reviewed”.
    It states clearly These data are preliminary and based on surveillance and death certificate data, not medical records.
    
    But this is more honest than the outrageous lies and distortions of data we have been battered with for 3 years. Like vaccines having 95% efficacy. Sounds impressive until it’s realised this is relative risk reduction v absolute risk reduction. The actual number of 0.8% efficacy is hardly going to encourage anyone to take part in a medical experiment which is what this covid circus has been.
    
    I’ll see your “expert” and raise you 3. She writes for The Guardian ffs. She is no more an “expert” than the the proven liars Anthony Fauci and “masks don’t work, I never said masks don’t work” Michael Baker.
    
    Your link is to a Twitter post, it is not “peer reviewed”.
    She even states in the thread that it is her hypothesis, that’s a million miles away from “peer reviewed”. Did you read the thread?
    
    The word “expert” has never been bastardised so much in history. Same with “peer reviewed” studies. They will say whatever those paying for it want them to say. The last 3 years have destroyed decades of trust that we once held for the medical fraternity, government and media. We have been lied to repeatedly, gaslit and propagandised.
    
    Her criticism of the methodology is no different to the methodology used to assign “covid deaths” which were complete bullshit. People killed in car crashes and shootings were labelled as covid deaths. We know this for a fact.
    
    For political reasons, these deaths were all generally been lumped together as “Covid deaths,” but this coding was appallingly sloppy. According to the World Health Organization’s initial coding guidance, if a decedent had either tested positive—using a PCR test later confirmed by the New York Times to have a false positive rate over 85%—or been in contact with anyone who had within several weeks prior to their death, then the death should be classified as a “Covid death.”
    
    https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/an-estimated-30000-americans-were?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=834349&post_id=76502513&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
    
    Her Twitter post is her opinion without evidence.
    However there IS evidence that 30.000 Americans were killed by ventilators & iatrogenesis in April 2020 alone as per the above post.
    
    There is plenty of evidence that the jab injuries and deaths are much higher than reported and that along with lockdowns have killed many thousands around the globe.
    
    https://www.eugyppius.com/p/sustained-as-yet-unheard-of-excess
    
    Governments everywhere are actively covering these inconvenient facts up. Like Israel.
    
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/exclusive-proof-that-the-top-israeli
    
    Like the NZ government attempting to implement legislation allowing unexplained deaths to be listed as normal without need for an autopsy. No wonder there is deep distrust.
    Of course the huge increase in “Sudden Adult Death” seen in the last year has nothing to do with the jab rollout, that is just an inconvenient coincidence…….//
    
    https://spectator.com.au/2022/06/sudden-adult-death-syndrome-baffles-doctors/
    
    The simple fact is, the “vaccines” don’t work. The “vaccines” increase your risk of catching covid, the more you jab the higher the risk. The “vaccines” are killing people. The “vaccines” have no benefit for pretty much anyone under 70. Combined with lockdowns, the “vaccines” have been the worst medical disaster in modern human history. They make DDT and Thalidomide seem benign.
    
    I have no idea why you seem so intent on defending the indefensible. With every passing week there is more and more evidence emerging that we were lied to repeatedly from the very beginning of this fiasco. We need to find out why. Although incompetence is a hallmark of Ardern and her government, this is almost certainly beyond that excuse.
    
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    October 10, 2022 11:59am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Good reply, CM. As for “I have no idea why you seem so intent on defending the indefensible”, I too am baffled. It appears to be a painstakingly curated intellectual blindness on surfing’s part. Very odd.
      
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      October 10, 2022 1:43pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        KK – I think CJ Hopkins covered it best in his recent post.
        
        It’s like the morning after an office party on which you wake up almost terminally hungover to hazy memories of having performed a Tequila-fuelled blowjob on Bob in Accounting in what was either the 9th Floor Reception Area or possibly the downstairs lobby of your building while someone vaguely resembling that smirking kid in the Mail Room filmed it on his phone.
        
        Yes, it’s the Morning After … that revolting regurgitant chorus you’re hearing is the sound of millions of Covidian Cultists down on their knees in their gender-neutral bathrooms praying to the Porcelain God.
        
        It has been quite a trip these last two and a half years, but the orgy of fear and hatred is over, the mass hysteria is wearing off, and the reality of the damage they have done is beginning to become undeniable.
        
        The Surfings of this world will never admit they got it so awfully, so badly wrong. There is complete denial and it will continue. These cowards do not have the spine required to admit they got sucked in and are nothing more than useful idiots.
        Some people have had the moral fortitude to recognise the truth when it has been shown to them. These people are to be admired. They understand the importance of recognising facts when they are presented to them. Not thrashing around abusing people who are doing their level best to keep our society on some sort of even keel.
        
        Time to admit you got this wrong Surfing, on every level. You probably already know it and are too arrogant to admit it. But one day you’ll have to face up to this reality. The longer you put it off, the harder it’s going to be to live with yourself.
        Good luck. I think you’re going to need it.
        
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        October 10, 2022 8:20pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Meh. Florida is simply following in the wake of countries like Denmark, Sweden and other European states that have actually banned – not just recommended against using but banned the vaccine for young people.
  
  I guess the studies their Health Authorities are using to make those decisions are as “flawed” as the Florida one. Right, “Surfing”?
  
  FFS.
  
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  October 10, 2022 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The one responsible would be the Minister of Health, Hon Andrew Dolittle.
  Never to be seen!
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:10pm
ecco

Pathetic media bullying of Wayne Brown already starting up again. Headline in the Ferald was ‘Wayne’s World etc etc’.
Never seen a headline on there starting with ‘Cindy’s World’ or something similar.

Thankfully the local body election results showed that the NZ MSM is getting less and less relevant and people are forming their opinions from social media platforms instead.

Ardern still in denial mode laughing off the local body election results saying they aren’t correlated to central government polling. Yeah right.
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October 10, 2022 9:38am
- Ghost
  
  It was a good article, you should read it
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:43am
  - herb1
    
    Reading and comprehending aren’t the same. You may not be aware of this Ghost
    
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    October 10, 2022 10:48am
    - Ghost
      
      Have a read for yourself
      
      https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/new-auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-surveys-his-realm-in-a-helicopter-before-scrutinising-the-council-books-today/
      
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      October 10, 2022 10:55am
ecco

Did you see the articles in both $$tuffed and the Ferald in the weekend re ‘maybe the reserve bank governor is going too hard to pull back inflation – may cause hardship’.

Straight out of Ardern’s PR office to MSM media, trying to justify more loose fiscal policy by her government. Not a mention in these articles of Robertson continuing to fuel the fire with irresponsible and wasteful spending on upcoming election bribes. Just trying to blame it all on Orr and his interest rate rises.

Robertson and Ardern have truly backed themselves into a corner both from a budgetary point of view and how they are going to pay for all the bribes and exercise responsible fiscal management, as well as announce tax cut bribes.

I guess in the end they will use the excuse that Orr has the remit to control employment levels as well as interest rates and instruct him to put the brakes, in election year, on the interest rate rises.

All very predictable.
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October 10, 2022 9:43am
I remember when

Getting hard to see the good for the trees: Keith Woodford.
According to MPI website, we already have 10.1 million hectares of forest of which 8 million hectares are native forest.
This means 30% of NZ total land area of 26.8 million hectares is already in native forest.
There is a need to recognise that planting natives is not a paying proposition and unlikely to happen unless publicly funded.
The exception for native establishment costs is where regeneration is feasible based on existing seed stock in the soil.
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October 10, 2022 9:53am
Maggie Pie

I hear it was Hilary Barry who was responsible for getting this sanctimonious-little-creep a job at TV1 🙁

https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1578920096604753920
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October 10, 2022 10:32am
- BeaB
  
  Why is he so dramatic about everything? He needs some training in asking a succinct question. And to get rid of all those histrionic mannerisms.
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:19pm
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    Oh so right BeaB! And also he should never, ever be allowed to play “newsreader” on TV again.
    
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    October 10, 2022 12:40pm
  - Harry Knuts
    
    he’s going for the Oscar in news reading.
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She did it without crying? Wow!
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:53pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  tweet of the day…
  “It has been revealed that many of Labour’s phone teams were urging people to “Vote for the Brown fella.” Most took it to mean Wayne Brown.”
  Flicked over sunday AM and there Campbell is crying that Brown didn’t want to come on his show and how disappointed he is.
  
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  October 10, 2022 2:05pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    “Campbell is crying that Brown didn’t want to come on his show and how disappointed he is.”
    
    Brown should make a point by never going on the show. Waste of time.
    
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    October 10, 2022 3:21pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly, do not give these shills, stenographers and hacks any oxygen whatsoever. Consign them to the rubbish bin where they belong.
      
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      October 10, 2022 8:25pm
  - alloytoo
    
    It backfired and resulted in a nostalgia vote for Len. 🙂
    
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    October 10, 2022 5:43pm
Tauhei Notts

That Tory Whanau bears a marked resemblance to that candidate that Bob Jones promoted for the Wellington mayoralty circa 1974.
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October 10, 2022 11:03am
- BeaB
  
  I thought the same and wondered if we are using the right pronouns.
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I wish I did not google that…..
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:21pm
  - Opie
    
    “Carmen cut a grotesque figure, as might be expected of a 136-kilogram King Country Maori bloke wearing a dress and flaunting massive breasts,”
    
    Probably can’t say that anymore… but its still true.
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:34pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I wonder how she goes singing Bizet’s Habanera.
  
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  October 10, 2022 1:13pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Tory doesn’t look like she is spending much time on the cycle ways.
  
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  October 10, 2022 3:09pm
Captain Mainwaring

Why can’t the plods get rid of those idiots protesting on the motorway overbridge?
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October 10, 2022 12:07pm
- Nickc2
  
  More enlightenment, please.
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some dicks protesting about more rail passenger services I think.
    Play school TV1 had one dick on. Prob a schoolteacher – looked like one.
    
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    October 10, 2022 12:24pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Too busy impersonating window washers at intersections.
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Protestors might throw Plod an assault charge
  
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  October 10, 2022 12:25pm
- MCōs
  
  Didn’t hear you say that when you were protesting at parliament.
  
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  October 10, 2022 6:34pm
Ghost

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-council-elections-left-leaning-candidates-flip-two-seats/5762C72KAF5K3RJ2LBU44J37CU/

Preliminary results for Auckland Council released today show left-leaning council candidates Julie Fairey and Kerrin Leoni have flipped two seats that went to right-leaning candidates on Saturday.
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October 10, 2022 12:26pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Bugger.
  I was hoping that Ms Fairey would need to enter the workforce in the real world.
  It seems that she will now be paid 100K+ as a member of the AC governing body – from my rates.
  
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  October 10, 2022 2:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Woke NZ Police, take note Coster. This is how it should be. The good guy with a gun stops the bad guy with a gun.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/officer-takes-out-active-shooter-from-200-yards-with-one-shot/?
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October 10, 2022 12:55pm
- krazykiwi
  
  A related meme
  
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  October 10, 2022 1:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Great! And correct
    
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    October 10, 2022 2:17pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Wonder how much longer 1ZB will run those ‘Glorious’ adverts for the…. Non-Fungible Token investments?

https://twitter.com/FungersTakingLs/status/1579120445236080640
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October 10, 2022 1:00pm
Warren

Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is a bit touchy today with some sarcasm in her stand up with the press in ChristChurch at miday.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/10/live-jacinda-ardern-speaks-with-media-in-christchurch/
Still using the phase of under investment by the previous National Government and saying if Chris Luxon and Natonal do get rid of the Three Waters Bill it means more rates for New Zealander’s.
Mind you she needed Megan Woods lies to help her to try and dupe New Zealander’s
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October 10, 2022 1:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Musk the mediator. This could work.
https://rwinkle.com/chinas-ambassador-to-us-agrees-with-musks-china-taiwan-peace-proposal/?
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October 10, 2022 1:20pm
krazykiwi

PayPal has just changed their terms of service. And this change doesn’t fly under the radar: –

In the last 48 hours a sneaky amendment to PayPal’s acceptable use policy widely captured the public’s attention. Free speech advocates had spotted that customers agreeing to the update would be allowing a sum of $2,500 to be lifted from their accounts if PayPal ever found them guilty of “sending, posting, or publication of any messages, content, or materials” that “promote misinformation” or “present a risk to user safety or wellbeing”.

So a public company now permits itself to take your money if it disagrees with something you say or do. More here: Is PayPal About to Go Bankrupt?
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October 10, 2022 1:29pm
- Yabster
  
  well if thats legit- lets hope it goes under.
  
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  October 10, 2022 1:54pm
- All_on_Red
  
  They have reversed it but people are very aware they said this and dont trust them; ‘PayPal has previously made clear that it is not a neutral organization, politically, culturally or otherwise. Dan Schulman, the company’s CEO, stated that “businesses need to be a force for good in those values and issues they believe in.”
  Despite claiming that the company respects and values “uniqueness and diversity of thought,” last month, PayPal shut down the accounts of the Free Speech Union and Gays Against Groomers “with no clear explanation.”
  
  Looks like quite a lot of people are now leaving.
  
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  October 10, 2022 2:04pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I closed my Paypal account. Their use of financial denial-of-service as a weapon against people who hold ‘unacceptable’ views is chilling. Remember this when central banks start talking up CBDCs.
    
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    October 10, 2022 3:23pm
- mandk
  
  People should not use Paypal under any circumstances.
  
  Mrs Mandk was trying to make a payment to an overseas charity using Paypal, but the system advised her that Paypal might not be able to complete the transaction and, if so, would divert the payment to another organisation of their choice.
  
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  October 10, 2022 2:06pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Theft, Fraud and Money Laundering.
    
    In that order.
    
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    October 10, 2022 4:12pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Fuck Paypal. People need to take action and stop using these scavengers.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://stopcogovernance.site/blog/f/co-governance-an-astoundingly-wrong-maori-explanation-part-3
The original video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IwUqOq1pVA
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/What-Is-Co-Governance-An-Astoundingly-Wrong-Maori-Explanation-Part-3-1.pdf
There will be another email coming to me tomorrow. Thia is far from the last we have heard from Julian Bachelor.
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October 10, 2022 2:25pm
Ghost

In never-before-seen footage and interviews, our new series takes you inside New Zealand’s most controversial child sex abuse case, when a kind of madness gripped Christchurch, resulting in a miscarriage of justice that would take 30 years to put right.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/peter-ellis-the-creche-case-and-me.html
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October 10, 2022 2:27pm
Maggie Pie

I see where Julie Fairy (partner of Minister-of-Transport, Michael Wood) has flipped the seat of Puketapapa.

Brownie might need to be a little wary…..Jules has already been accused of engaging in ‘pillow-talk’ 🙁

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/political-pillow-talk-allegations-in-mount-roskill.html
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October 10, 2022 2:35pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  She’s partnered with that obnoxious pos? How gross. Says much about her.
  
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  October 10, 2022 8:38pm
mogg

Chris Trotter at interest.co.nz
Plans are made, and decisions are taken, but not by citizens: not even by the representatives of citizens. At both the national and the local level, unelected and increasingly unaccountable bureaucrats appear to have taken charge. Everywhere, New Zealanders see evidence of centralisation. Everywhere the checks and balances of democracy are being discarded. Elected councillors are expected to act as rubber stamps. Citizens are the stampees.
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October 10, 2022 2:38pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Yeah, yeah. Typical Trotter in that he just never gets the fact that all this is a direct result of his Leftie ideology. Especially his old-fashioned, Class-based leftism that worships large, powerful, centralised bodies, up to and especially including Central Government.
  
  He’ll also take swipes at the old USSR along the same lines, to which the appropriate response is probably Homer’s “DOH!”. Or perhaps more appropriately, If only Stalin knew</i.
  
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  October 10, 2022 6:28pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    That’s the Chris Trotter who wrote this obnoxious piece demanding harsher punishment for those intelligent people who decided not to follow Ardern’s insane directives.
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/112893/those-who-complain-prime-minister-unnecessarily-and-unethically-stigmatising
    
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    October 10, 2022 8:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I do have a question Ghost, why is it ‘never seen before footage? Never seen before except certain people? Never seen before because it was censored? Censored by whom?
Genuine questions – or is this just buildup for viewer ratings?
If the case was still going now after Peter Ellis’s death, then I see no reason why others involve cannot be charged. Must open a huge can of worms.

I know what Peter Ellis died from, but I am fucking sure the bias and stress must have accelerated that.
‘I saw Peter’s black penis’ my left tit!!
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October 10, 2022 2:43pm
- Ghost
  
  It was cancer wasn’t it. No doubt the stress of the last few decades had a huge contribution to it
  
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  October 10, 2022 3:04pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bladder cancer
    
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    October 11, 2022 7:57am
Handyman

What Ardern is saying, in effect, is “the lazy vote Labour”.
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October 10, 2022 2:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Looks like Jaspinda won’t have to answer difficult questions in General Debate about Council Elections next week. She will be in Bangkok – how convenient.
Unless I got it wrong, I do sometimes.
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October 10, 2022 2:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh lefties, just before you go off to the pub and have a craft beer shandy – the speaker of the house just pointed this out – and the house speaker is a leftie LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkkQ4t3IOZ0
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October 10, 2022 4:25pm
Takere

RESULT!!
Oh! Lookie here!
Who else is on the chopping block!

Woo! Hoo! https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-calls-for-head-of-eke-panuku-development-paul-majurey-to-stand-down/DTJIARKSG5WGSVO5NKNH4ANLBE/
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October 10, 2022 4:56pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Thort this well worth sharing with the group.

Twitter bestie has decided to sell her baby.
I know she’s had it converted from manual > auto…if only she’d changed it from LHD > RHD I’d have been fizzing-at-the-bung to have it in my stable 😛
FAB color!!

https://twitter.com/stew_rachael/status/1579286627376979968
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October 10, 2022 5:17pm
jon

Anyone else notice Cindy’s, Kamala Harris type laugh moment, in the lead item of TV 3 News tonite?
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October 10, 2022 6:12pm
- BeaB
  
  Even Megan Woods looked startled.
  
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  October 10, 2022 7:48pm
Ghost

I wonder if the Shortland street campaign has seen anyone want to be a nurse when the health system is in crisis

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/130118694/southland-hospital-on-the-brink-of-collapse-advocate-says

Southland Hospital has had to close its paediatric unit and fly patients to Dunedin Hospital while staff are reporting “horrendous” wait times for cancer patients.

Health advocate Melissa Vining is warning that the health system in Southland is “on the brink of collapse” as staff and patients reach out to her for help amid serious staffing shortages.
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October 10, 2022 6:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Damn
  
  Newshub can reveal that despite needing 21,000 nurses, only 12 have arrived in New Zealand under the Government’s controversial visa which makes them wait two years for residency.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/revealed-just-12-nurses-have-arrived-in-new-zealand-under-government-s-controversial-residency-visa.html
  
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  October 10, 2022 6:52pm
Ghost

Nice to know if you are a sports star you can assault your partner

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kiwi-international-sports-star-who-admitted-domestic-violence-avoids-conviction-gets-permanent-suppression/3JF3KJSTPH5N7P2WFKFVAMF2MA/

A Kiwi sports star has been granted a discharge without conviction and won permanent name suppression after an assault on his estranged partner which left her huddled in a ball to protect herself.

The sport he plays cannot be revealed without breaching the Judge’s suppression orders.
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October 10, 2022 6:36pm
- LB
  
  This should require a name suppression financial bond based on income which would be returned if found not guilty, which in this case it wouldn’t because it was a discharge without conviction.
  
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  October 10, 2022 7:30pm
hullkiwi

….we all know how dictatorial Jaspinda is, but how about today’s UK.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/football-fans-forced-to-hand-in-passports/ar-AA12LI5G?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=39d652f6db9142f78bea4f826730ce05

When did the UK become the modern day USSR?
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