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Cassandra

Mods: I’ve a recommendation – every other website in the www puts latest comments first ie the reverse of Kiwiblog. For good reason. Could you try it please?

[Mod – drop David a message with your suggestion https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/contact%5D

[Nuther Mod – I think it would be a WordPress setting thing.]
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December 9, 2021 1:33pm
- The Boss
  
  That is why I read Kiwiblog from the bottom up!
  
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  October 9, 2022 5:16pm
- Simon Arnold
  
  Google is your friend /s
  https://www.wpbeginner.com/wp-tutorials/how-to-rearrange-comments-in-wordpress-display-the-most-recent-one-on-top/
  
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  October 9, 2022 6:43pm
  - 103PapPap
    
    Well I tried but couldn’t find the options. Where are they?
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:14pm
Warren

Change is the word of the day on Sunday the 9th of October 2023 but will it be enough for the Labour Party to panic and cut our Prime Minister loose to give themselves a better chance of winning the 2023 General Election after the bloody nose the Left got at the Local Body Elections yesterday.
Many Mayors payed the price for their own Stupidity of not listening to the people yesterday and ended up with a changing of the guard in many Cities and Towns.
As the Country wakes up many will be asking themselves can we do the same at the General Election in 2023 and rid ourselves of a control freak that needs to dominate people’s lives and has divided the population of New Zealand.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/476311/local-body-elections-changing-of-the-guard-across-country
We obviously have the momentum at the present time and need it to continue so can The National and Act Parties finish the job and change this rotten Government at the next Election.
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October 9, 2022 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  [Sunday the 9th of October 2022.]
  The thing is, will Jaspinda take any notice of these changes and amend her dominating behaviour? Or is she just an ignorant and power crazy Tyrant?
  Now is a chance for National and Act to emerge from their protective shells and turn the fucking heat up to max!
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:22am
  - Scooter
    
    Let’s hope she continues on her trajectory because if they suddenly start peeling back their insane policies in the hope it will turn things around then who knows maybe the morons that voted them in last time will want to do it again.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:58am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Well they have shown themselves to be extremely devious so nothing is off the table leading up to the election methinks. Lavish pork barrelling and temporarily pretending to be sane stewards will probably be the go to stunts. Could still prove ineffective with the flames of inflation and debt all around them.
      
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      October 9, 2022 4:16pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I think Nats are going through their candidate process at present, some have been announced, some are still to be named, I don’t think any policy will be delivered until all candidates are in place. I note Rockape the other day who has been involved with Nat policy, he said small policy will come out soon, followed by large policy closer to the election.
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yup, keep the lid on policy for a while, or the corrupt Labour will steal it and claim it’s theirs. Been done before. Solar 2008.
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:41am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Sigh. National policy – tax cuts. That will fix everything. Landlords will be happy again. Interest deductible and no brightline, so the speculative thing will be good again. Maybe repeal 3 waters which is not really a hill of beans. And then there are the high income tax cuts – particularly for the 180 people. They deserve it …
        
        Interesting that they are now into indexing the brackets – Cullen looked at that and noted that at the time it amounted to buggerall – Key and co had 9 years to think about it (with ACT’s encouragement) and it went nowhere.
        
        Anyway – it looks like tax cuts are the solution to the nation’s problems. We can just borrow to fund super, health, education etc. Pass the problem downstream ….
        
        And there’s no way the govt needs to be involved with stuff like the affordable housing shortage. The market will – eventually – “fix” all that. Tax cuts are the solution …
        
        Go figure.
        
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        December 9, 2021 6:33pm
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        @Ian Boag: The Laboyr Govt is currently receiving over an extra $1Billion pa in tax bracket creep which dates from the last National government who had reserved it up their sleeves to offer voters at the 2017 election.
        
        Of course tax rates could & should be indexed to annual income changes but that removes the electoral carrots.
        
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        October 9, 2022 6:43pm
  - Paulus
    
    No need to ramp up anything – Labour will do that and continue to damage both themselves and the voters of New Zealand.
    Remember
    “Make New Zealand Honest Again”
    Local Government I hope will show the way.
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:49am
    - Don Beckett
      
      MAHA.
      Make Aotearoa Honest Again. 😆
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:12pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Interestingly, the word ‘maha’ in Maori means several, increase, or multiple. 🙂
        
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        October 9, 2022 12:58pm
      - Paulus
        
        Don’t know where that is !
        
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        October 9, 2022 1:06pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        It’s that mythical land where the inhabitants live in peace & prosperity, living in harmony with nature & honouring the stars as the resting place of their ancestors.
        Tried as I might though, I couldn’t find it on a map of the world. 🙂
        
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        October 9, 2022 1:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Don, that R. T. Rower place has New Zealand layered over it – like in photoshop
        
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        October 9, 2022 2:54pm
- peterwn
  
  Labour MP’s will leave Jacinda in place. She is too valuable in the ‘Squealer’ role. The only alternative is Robbo and he would be as charismatic as Andy Little was as leader. Any ‘revolt’ will be attempting to tone down racist policies (likely to remain a festering sore) and sidelining various pet policies such as three waters, broadcasting changes and the Auckland ‘tram’.. It could well be the Labour caucus will just muddle along and not take the hard decisions that need to be made.
  The ‘trick’ for National is to help facilitate these corrosive processes in Labour. The new Auckland Mayor is opposed to the ‘tram’ project and that will be another problem Labour has if it keeps promoting the project.
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:30am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    I think (hope) it is too late for them. If they scrap 3 waters, the merger or the tram it just makes their list of failures even greater. Also, 3 waters is so unpopular that it will still be in people’s memory come election day.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The arrogance of them thinking that will save them is reprehensible, the wasted millions on 3 waters, co-governance and the tram will be as bad for them, I thought I heard them say they had spent 300 mill on 3 waters already.
      Petrol tax drops, and hand outs have not helped them, now blowhard Robertson says tax cuts are irresponsible, but refuses to rule the tax cuts out
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:27am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Dont be surprised if 3 waters structure(co-Governance) is changed over the next couple of months.
      [Mod – don’t attack a person for how they look ] we listened to the people…..
      
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      October 10, 2022 12:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Good luck for Labour winning seats in Auckland
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:23am
    - Ian Boag
      
      MMP. Party vote and all that. Electorate votes sort of don’t matter much. Ask ACT and the Greens ……
      
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      December 9, 2021 5:25pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      G – don’t get too ahead of yourself. They will still win South Auckland and pockets of red electorates around the city. But will see some shift in party vote to Other parties.
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:37am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes i realise this, south Auckland, Mt Albert and a couple of others will stay red with much reduced margins, but they will lose anything they never deserved last election, i think Twyfords seat may well be up for grabs
        
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        October 9, 2022 11:16am
- kiwimike
  
  National won’t save us from the Maori Apartheid Jacinda is building.
  
  They signed the UDIP and are so far behind Te Riti o Waitangi, they have it front and center of their Party Constitution.
  
  National will not get rid of Race based Laws which is our only hope for the Future.
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Don’t talk shit, Luxon spoke to Māori recently at that gathering, he said there will be no co-governance, and no separatist services, also seperate Māori votes on councils will be gone, so you are either working dirty for Labour, or you are not bloody listening
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:30am
  - David Garrett
    
    Kiwimike: We will never now get rid of race based laws. That chance was lost forever back in 2008, when both the Nats and ACT had abolishing the Maori seats as policy. Once they were gone much else could have been accomplished.
    
    Once their bums were on the seats, the Nats walked away in the opposite direction, and did a deal with the Maori Party to reduce ACT’s power and influence.
    
    Race based laws will only become more common…better get used to it.
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:32am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      G the giant from Dunedin was probably voting Labour back then, doesn’t know the history and isn’t listening now.
      
      Vote ACT in 2023 (and I say that very reluctantly given their C-19 stances) so that have the power not to let National give them the back-of-the-hand treatment again.
      
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      October 9, 2022 3:26pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If you look at polls for this race, it showed close calls for most races, just maybe the government polling is very similar and far worse than being reported, the look on Robertsons face lately, he knows they are done, Cindy is full of candy floss in her head snd can’t get past the sweet taste
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:08am
- rouppe
  
  The Labour Party can’t cut her loose. She has been internationally lauded as a towering figure of success in progressivism.
  
  If they cut her loose, it will be like Ghandi being stoned by the poor.
  
  The only thing they could do, assisted by the UN, is to have her appointed to something suitably grand offshore.
  
  But without her, the rest will be cornered, and lash out
  
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  October 9, 2022 12:31pm
Debsta

Bloody fantastic! I feel more hopeful today than I have in a very long time.
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October 9, 2022 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is nice to know that not everything has gone down the shitter.
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:23am
Captain Mainwaring

Yet another pathetic anti-Luxon effort by Sharon Murdoch.
One would have thought the Labour wipeout in the local body elections would have provided plenty of material ………. Oh, wait.
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October 9, 2022 8:19am
- Hacked-Off
  
  No Captain, they are doubling down. Yesterday was the ‘Canary in the Coalmine’ for the MSM who largely got the local elections wrong. It indicates that the MSM’s time at the PIJF trough is coming to an end and they are panicking. Hence they will intensify their efforts to ensure that Labour wins next year.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    PIJF, had to look that up. MSM is finding out that Mummy’s tit is now dried off, and hopefully it stays that way.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:27am
  - Prince
    
    You would think that Stuff might look at those results and think perhaps they need to shift towards the centre at least to catch the public mood, and retain some sort of readership.
    But no, they are redoubling down on their mission to reeducate us all on the wonders of Ardern and her divisive Government.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:37am
    - rouppe
      
      Yesterday it was “Tory Tory Tory”.
      
      Almost reminds me of some movie with a similar name…
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:32pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Oh, well done sir. 😆
        
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        October 9, 2022 1:59pm
    - GJM
      
      Readers are irrelevant, as it is the $55m trough that pays the bills, and therefore calls the shots.
      How many subscribers do they have?mhow many pay out of their own pocket, as opposed to the public service lunchroom?
      
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      October 9, 2022 7:13pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        The $55 million trough is peanuts compared to Government advertising with Stuff and other major newspapers/MSM
        
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        October 10, 2022 12:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Their dirty politics has been noted snd the media are getting the arse card
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:32am
- 3-coil
  
  And an especially satisfying rout in Auckland (not my electorate) it was too! Apparently airhead Lorde’s millions of followers are too lazy to get off their backsides to vote. She should stay out of politics and stick to singing pop ditties.
  
  But even more concerning was that both TV1 and TV3 reported her transgression on their 6pm bulletins including naming Efeso Collins as Lorde’s choice – they got the plug out to even more NZ citizens, the cynical pricks. All for nought!!
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:32am
  - surfing
    
    tvnz / tv3 should be prosecuted.
    
    They promoted Lordes electioneering.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:19am
    - Dr John
      
      Lords reprimand in the Herald last Wednesday was on the same page as a much larger article detailing that Jacinda was supporting Collins.
      I guess that both the Herald and the PM will now be sued by the Electoral authority
      
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      October 9, 2022 2:28pm
      - Ghost
        
        Lorde was in trouble for showing her completed voting form
        
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        October 9, 2022 2:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In the future, whatever a so called ‘celebrity’ says, do the opposite. Airheads know nothing otherwise they would be in Politics!
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:30am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The bitch doesn’t even live here, she should get a say
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:34am
      - rouppe
        
        She will own property there.
        
        I’m in the opposite camp. Most of those voting Green don’t own property, and so don’t pay rates. As long as they get their cycleways and pedestrian zones, they think they’re fabulous.
        
        Of course they WILL complain about greedy landlords when their rent goes up after rates rises…
        
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        October 9, 2022 12:34pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Pre-written – probably got a year’s worth it articles ready to go
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just like Time Magazine and Hillary’s picture in 2016?
    Media getting things wrong constantly.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:32am
    - David Garrett
      
      …and DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN in 1948…never been a bigger MSM fuck up than that one…
      
      Some may remember a great clip from the movie “Phar Lap”…the Sydney Morning Herald (IIRC) prepared two alternative headlines:
      
      AUSTRALIAN WONDER HORSE WINS AGAIN for use if he won, and if he didnt:
      
      NEW ZEALAND HORSE BEATEN IN CALIFORNIA
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:46am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Media are so tied to left, like majority of Wellington, they don’t want to see the mood for change in the country.
  
  Another example, in a Herald article yesterday, Collins massive loss was being explained as conscious and unconscious bias. Auckland has shown it is rascist.
  
  The real reason Brown romped in was Aucklanders wanted “Anybody but Labour”. But with the media so biased, they find it more plausible that NZs most diverse, mixed race city is Rascist than that Labour is loathed.
  
  So why has Auckland voted ABL: Locked down, with the PM fleeing like a rat deserting a sinking ship to the freedom of Wellington, businesses smashed, children’s education smashed, societal cohesion smashed, playing Pandemic Pantomime while Auckland suffered. Record Inflation, Rates on rates – regional fuel tax, climate tax, rates +5%. Surveillance cameras installed throughout the city, aggressive fines on bus lanes, third world CBD. All thanks to Labour.
  
  But to the media, it must be due to rascism.
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:17am
  - GazzaW
    
    Aucklanders will never forgive or forget that gratuitous four month lockdown highlighted by a single visit by Ardern to a couple of pre-arranged pro-Labour venues. She foresook the struggling businesses in the CBD, the hospitals, the mental health call centres, the teachers et al. She just deserted us like a rat leaving a sinking ship. She may as well step aside now because Labour is finished here. It will be interesting to see how she and her toady Ministers (think Michael Wood) cope up here when the local election dust settles. I think Three Waters and the airport tram service might just be dead ducks.
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Maori caucus has the 3 waters as a gun to Arderns head, i have heard they have threatened to walk and set up either with MP or a new party
      
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      October 9, 2022 11:19am
      - DeepBlue
        
        They should just do it.
        
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        October 9, 2022 6:50pm
    - nathie
      
      Hmmm, perhaps National should stand a strong candidate (or well known personality) for the Mt.Albert electorate next year with the aiming of either toppling Ardern, or taking a large slice of her support even if she wins … which kinda would be highly embarrassing for both Labour and Ardern, as it undermines her credibility.
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:18pm
      - Grizz
        
        If anything it would keep her bound to campaign more in her own electorate rather than around the country.
        
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        October 9, 2022 1:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Note after the recee we not poll shows no improvement that the media have shut their mouths completely over Uffindell
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does Jacinda Ardern understand the meaning of corrupt?

When commentators from the Left have to point it out, you ‘re left with two possibilities:

1. She doesn’t;
or
2. She does and doesn’t give a damn.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/10/07/bryce-edwards-why-faafois-lobbying-position-should-be-illegal/

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/07-10-2022/kris-faafoi-and-the-revolving-door
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October 9, 2022 8:20am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Maggy, You forgot to add Mahuta Corp.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There will be a lot of Mahuta Corp corruption exposed in the future. I have always said it does not matter so much which Party is in power – the deadwood in the Public Sector will still be there until it is dug out and dumped.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:39am
- herb1
  
  Corruption is just the means for the left to achieve what us right wing people don’t realise is good for us.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:24am
- Yvette
  
  From minister to lobbyist in three months: New Zealand needs to do better on transparency.
  The rules should not allow an MP to be reading cabinet papers in June and then lobbying former colleagues in October
  – headline and sub-headline in the Guardian
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/07/from-minister-to-lobbyist-in-three-months-new-zealand-needs-to-do-better-on-transparency
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:30am
  - Yvette
    
    Should it be called “insider-lobbying”?
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You mean like crooked Pelosi?
      
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      October 9, 2022 9:40am
- krazykiwi
  
  I have long called Ardern a narcissist, but after a bit of reading believe this to be incorrect. Her behaviour much more accurately identifies her as a psychopath.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:32am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW-
  I am starting to believe that Ms Ardern doesn’t understand the meaning of very much at all.
  But that does that really matter to her support base.
  Not a bit.
  Smile on, Jacinda, smile on.
  Just a figurehead.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:32am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, Kris knows where all the bodies are. He was part of the inner circle before fleeing the scene and now, he can demand whatever he wants, and given Labour’s lust for power, they can’t deny him anything.
  Anything to shut him up eh?
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:38am
- pdm
  
  Maggie anything Jacinda touches these days turns to custard.
  
  Jacinda is toxic as proven in Auckland and Wellington Mayoralties.
  
  Brown wins by about 55,000 votes over her endorsed Collins.
  Her endorsed Eagle finishes fourth in Wellington.
  
  Mind you I am pleased I don’t live in Wellington under another Green Mayor..
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:11am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    As they say in the classics, Tory Whanau came forth and conquered but Paul Eagle just came fourth 😂
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:20am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Tony S – Shall we say “The Eagle has (crash) landed”
      
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      October 9, 2022 11:42am
    - rouppe
      
      At least we have a Tory mayor… /sarc
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Another Green Mayor’ Skype with my Wellywood Brother will be interesting today. Shove the red hot poker right in LOL!
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:45am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Maggy – 2 – clearly evidenced by the people she closely surrounds herself with, her pathological ability to lie, wanton destruction of NZ economically, divisive leadership, tolerance of Mahuta Corp, Mallards $500k defamation loss etc etc etc
  
  Chris Faafoi isn’t the first from the political halls of power to step directly into Lobbyist role. Those two mighty Labour social media cheer leaders — Neale Jones, Clint Smith — have come directly from her stable too.
  
  She will be remembered as the PM with the biggest smile of the Government with the lowest standards ever in NZ politics.
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:59am
Warren

Isn’t it funny how when you don’t get the right result you need to have a review into the voting process, this from Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister and Local Government New Zealand.
While there could be minor differences it virtually the same numbers voting as at the last Local Government Election ,
why is the need for change is it because the left don’t like losing and they need to stack the odds in their favour again or is it the right political decision to make.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/local-body-elections-local-govt-nz-execs-echo-ardern-in-seeking-review-of-voting-process-after-disappointing-turnout/IZUSO3RV5UAV4SIANDOROXVZXQ/
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October 9, 2022 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda could just say “Look, we seem to have mis-read everything and we got it all wrong. We are sorry Labour Supporters, we must change the way we do things”
  
  But will she? Or too far up herself?
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:51am
Chris2

Can readers report on what effect Stuff’s hit jobs on various candidates around the country in the weeks leading up to the election had on the final outcome for these candidates?

Did these canddiates do well, or poorly?
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October 9, 2022 8:24am
Rodney Hide

Mr Brown trounced Mr Collins in Auckland despite Ms Ardern heavily endorsing Mr Collins. I suspect the PM’s endorsement cost him.

The star power has gone. She is toxic.

Outside of Wellington we know this.

Not facts. Just my opinion.

Rodney Hide
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October 9, 2022 8:29am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Mr Collins was gracious in defeat.
  
  I bet next year when Jacinda is booted out she will NOT be gracious in defeat. She will be like a petulant child
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:44am
  - Ghost
    
    Gracious in defeat, you jest. He lost because of his connections to jacinda and labour, yet he had to pretend that it was because of racial bias
    
    Efeso Collins is the second major non-palagi, non-Pākehā candidate in a row to be beaten heavily for the Aucikland mayoralty, after John Tamihere in the 2019 election.
    
    Asked about this, Collins said, “Across the city I think there’s been some unconscious bias. And there have been instances of more conscious bias too. We did focus groups at the start and they told us race would be one of our biggest challenges. I believe I have the skills to do the job, but we just have to work harder.”
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:32am
    - 3-coil
      
      Ghost: Efesso is dead wrong trying to play the racist card to explain his failure, it caused his failure! His Labour puppeteers got the word out to vote for their brown candidate; so all their semi-literate voters looked down the candidate list and voted for the Brown candidate as instructed.
      
      The unintended consequences of the corrupt leftists race-based politics, how sad…never mind.
      
      PS master stroke by the right running with their preferred candidate mr Brown 😊
      
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      October 9, 2022 9:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Collins was playing the race card long before campaigning for Mayor. Second nature to him, but it repelled others.
        
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        October 9, 2022 9:57am
      - Paulus
        
        Nah nah nah – Auckland vote was simple
        Anybody except Labour !
        Nobody left except Brown.
        
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        October 9, 2022 10:55am
      - David Garrett
        
        3-Coil: You might just be right about “the Brown candidate” !!
        
        It was certainly a much larger win than expected.
        
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        October 9, 2022 10:55am
      - jon
        
        3 coil you clever but naughty with your comment. Just love it!
        
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        October 9, 2022 1:34pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      “Unconscious bias”. Just another snake oil science bunch of words that are meaningless. There is no proven difference between unconscious bias and instantaneous perception.
      In fact Mr Collins, you lost because a majority of voters thought that given your track record, you’d be bloody awful at the job. And that is the end of that story.
      
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      October 9, 2022 11:07am
    - Grizz
      
      I ever there was bias, it was those South Auckland wards. I understand less than a quarter of voters turned up in their own areas to vote for their guy. If they turned up, the result would have been different. This criticism of bias is just blaming older, non-Maori/PI for turning up to vote. If he were honest, he would turn it around and blame the demographic for not voting.
      
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      October 9, 2022 7:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Petulant child, just like Clark and Cullen?
    Who will Jaspinda take down with her?
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:54am
  - Bob
    
    will be like a petulant child……
    will remain as a petulant child, as she does now when the public mood swings against her.
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That flopdown to the seat in Parliament is very childish. Fun to watch her spit the dummy.
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:45am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      But also she will be a scared petulant child – this seemed to be a big part of her reasoning for avoiding engaging with the parliamentary protesters – and after losing at the election these fears will magnify as she will lose her protection squad.
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:30pm
      - Hebe123
        
        [Mod – let’s not go down that path please]
        
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        October 9, 2022 2:10pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    If their polls do not improve she will bolt, I don’t think she would take losing well, and she is arrogant enough to not front the media after ass kicking
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:41am
    - cjn
      
      Hilary Clinton didn’t but she has found a new way to wield power.
      
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      October 9, 2022 6:14pm
- dubya
  
  Yes, New Zealand is definitely polarised, however now it’s very evident it is Wellington vs. The Rest.
  
  That Auckland could elect Wayne Brown and a C&R dominated Council, while Wellington swivels to a Green-endorsed political hack/lobbyist who funded her campaign with a lottery win, really hits home.
  
  Has reaffirmed my decision to escape Wellington as soon as I was old enough! Just a shame we’ve somehow got bloody Darby and Hills as councillors here on the Shore, WTF…
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Darby is like a malignant cancer – always going to be there – almost impossible to irradicate.
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:03am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      Tordon 50D great on ragwort and other stubborn weeds🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♀️🧟‍♀️
      
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      October 9, 2022 6:17pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not sure how many seats are in Wellington, but I think they will lose Hutt South to Bishop, and Ohariu to Willis, I think that makes two seats all, it maybe three two
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:43am
    - Paulus
      
      And what about Wellington Central going to a Green Wahine ?
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:57am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Well they have a white whaine now !
        
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        October 9, 2022 11:20am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Giant – Nice Nicola contests from Wellington Central against Robertson and has no chance of winning. It will be a good idea for her to stand in Ohariu. I am not sure Bishop will win against the popular Jinny Anderson. Hutt sheeple are mesmerised by Labour. Look who they elected again!!
      
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      October 9, 2022 11:47am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Wellington have been like that for 40 years dubya. Most of the people that work in Wellington somehow make coin from the Government. As John Key said a good while ago, if the Parliament moved to Auckland, Wellington would nearly cease to exist (or something like that)!
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:10am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  And on that note, an interesting question – recent polls has them not too far apart, and yet Mr Collins literally had his arse handed to him.
  
  Are we hearing the truth when it comes to polling?
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:55am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    But that is the only poll that matters. All the rest can only ever be the rough indicators of patterns.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:17am
  - dubya
    
    My guess – polls are weighted across demographics, but local election voting turnouts are not. The whining left have one thing correct, wealthier, whiter and older voters turned out in force to support major change.
    
    Nice to see a scalp at AT already. Bring on the Onewa Road clearway and rip those CCP cameras down ASAP!
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:19am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Polls are definitely done on demographics , as I said polled three times, first time ruled out cause too many in their 50s had participated, gotta have the share of the young who will say left, but who comes out on Election Day?
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:18pm
  - CJames
    
    I don’t know if the polls ask if people are going to vote. That is quite a different question to which candidate do you support.
    I gather Collins’ vote in Soth Auckland wasn’t that big. If so, then even his own community didn’t support him. Why would that be?
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Why would that be?” Maybe the community knows he plays the ‘race card’ and they are not happy about that?
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:07am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The main question is if an election were held today which party would receive your party vote, all three times I have been polled that has been the main question,and twice the pm quest has been slanted so the left on get one option, I have heard DPF say they don’t, but I was twice asked who I want as PM out of about 6 names, no one but Cindy on the left
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    As i have said the polls are managed, i have been polled three times, if you say you’re age and its too old they say sorry but this age group has been filled, that right there can keep the figures closer
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:23am
  - david
    
    you might say that many parts of New Zealand are now “poll – arised”
    I’ll get my coat.
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am going to the pub soon, won’t need my coat
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:22pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    No we don’t hear the truth from polls, because:
    1. Many Pollsters are politicising and weaponising the results to suit their or their clients narrative
    2. Media bias, proven left bias in all NZ legacy media, results in reporting of politicised and weaponised conclusions
    3. One doesn’t bite the hand that feeds – we mistakenly think our legacy media is funded by us the taxpayer, but alas the media know their biggest customer is the Government
    4. Ardern pathologically lies and gaslights, calling any opposing views mis, dis-information. While in reality what she is saying is weaponised information. And she is openly saying she wants more power over what people communicate. Imagine the last 3 years if she could have shutdown KB, VFF etc! It would have been intolerable.
    
    Used to be a much higher standard of ethics in NZ journalism and polling and parliament, but all three now seem to be in a race to the bottom.
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:46pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Same with much of our populace.
      
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      October 9, 2022 2:02pm
    - cjn
      
      Ardern’s UN speech which has frightened some foreign journalists would suggest that Kiwiblog and in fact all blogs in NZ are living on borrowed time.
      Interestingly, although she says you can recognise “hate speech” when you hear it, she can’t hear anyone in her Cabinet uttering it.
      
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      October 9, 2022 6:24pm
- Philview
  
  RNZ did a weird ‘Deliverance’ banjo playing intro this morning as they announced their discussion on Wayne Brown. I assume intended as an insult as they were annoyed that he pulled out of the interview.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:58am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Philview:
    Really?
    Is their no editorial control at RNZ?
    Or do you just let your personal feelings and bias shine through the airwaves by playing a hillbilly tune at the new Mayor of Auckland?
    Classy.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:59am
    - Nickc2
      
      Methinks the tune was hand-picked by the Minister of Broadcasting.
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:30am
  - Paulus
    
    Brown appears to have said this morning that he would not talk to RNZ today as he was going for brunch with his family in Piha.
    That will piss the media off !
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:59am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Brilliant.
      
      More of our new politicians should start ignoring the
      MSM leeches.
      
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      October 9, 2022 11:11am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      He could always ask them for a photo for his urinal
      
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      October 9, 2022 1:11pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Did they start with duelling bingos? If so that is an utter disgrace, they are suggesting he is a hill billy
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:23pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Wayne should watch these two brief responses from Arizona Governor GOP candidate Kari Lake, This is how it’s done.
    Holy crap but this lady is good. Really good.
    
    Luxon and company could learn from her also.
    
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    October 9, 2022 3:36pm
- igm
  
  Bet she will not be too keen on Waitangi, or public meetings in run up to general election, she being found out for what she is . . . a control freak and a charlatan.
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:19am
krazykiwi

Hello New Zealand. This is Wellington. We need an intervention. Thanks in advance.
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October 9, 2022 8:33am
- whostoblame
  
  Love to assist but you had your chance. Leave now before it’s too late.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:38am
- Mike H S
  
  I shall pray for you, my son. You are beyond saving now. 🙂 It would appear you have died and gone to hell.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Wellington is a basket case, I can only presume it is due to the dependence of so many on the income stream from the government agencies and all of the supporting infrastructure.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:44am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Years ago, Company HOs were in Wellington and there was manufacturing in the Hutt Valley and Porirua.
    
    How many companies have the HO and any manufacturing in the Wellington Area??
    
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    October 9, 2022 8:46am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You would be dead right.
    
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    October 9, 2022 8:47am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Wellington’s turnout was only 37%. The absence of a high profile organised Centre Right group in Wellington is going to cost us dearly.
    
    To win on only 37% of the vote is hardly a ringing endorsement, but I suspect that Mayor Whanau (gag!) will take it as such.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:05am
    - Steve Todd
      
      As at late last night, the participation rate in Wellington City was 43.24%, several percentage points up on 2019. See https://www.electionz.com/LGE2022Returns/ELT47WG22_returns.htm.
      
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      October 9, 2022 9:58am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      The absence of a high profile organised Centre Right group in Wellington is going to cost us dearly.
      
      Well if you live in the city, sure. But for the rest of New Zealand? Not at all. In fact Wellington will serve as a great example to the rest of us – like San Francisco, Chicago and Baltimore do for the USA. 🙂
      
      Go Mayor Whanau
      
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      October 9, 2022 3:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry, you can have only one uptick kk
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:09am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Unfortunately Wellington has two big draw backs
  
  One – Government is centred here, and Ministries and Agencies attract Lefties like dung beetles to shit.
  
  Two – Victoria University attracts a lot of youth in from the regions and a lot do public policy etc crap degrees, then get jobs as junior policy analysts in the Ministries and Agencies. The come in callow and never meet the real world in the journey form College to Uni to Ministry. And they believe the BS that Governments can pick winners and drive an economy…
  
  So One is entrenched by Two. And it gets worse every time Labour is in power.
  
  Roll on the big quake – it might correct things…
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:35am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And on Vic Uni, when I attended Otago, I went to a few easter tournies, most of the Vic students turned up wearing great coats, cloth caps and sported beards. When I was last in Wellington a couple of years ago, I noted nothing had changed other than a decent chunk of the general male population were all dressed same….
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:16am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Would us Jaffa’s praying for a 7.6 Richter down the the old Hutt Road help with this intervention? We have the bumper stickers ready ” What if Wellington just slid into the sea? “
  
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  October 9, 2022 6:21pm
hmmokrightitis

Random impertinent question #254…

Why are the media in this country not reporting on the real reason Ms Ardern isn’t taking a firm stance with a certain government and the killing of one of its female citizens?

Its not because the media don’t know the real reason, they do. Why have the media chosen to stay silent – not because of families with money and connections, surely?
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October 9, 2022 8:40am
- kiwimike
  
  I say, because Jacinda Ardern Lied from the beginning.
  she is not a Feminist.
  she doesn’t believe in Freedom & Liberty.
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:00am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Nope, close but no cigar.
    
    Ask a journalist in Wellington. Anyone will do, they all know. And they are all desperate to keep the real story out of the news.
    
    We are not well served by our media.
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:14pm
    - nathie
      
      Please enlighten us confused plebs!
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:47pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Haha.
        
        hmmokrightitis clearly has similar sources to mine. As Captain Dudley once said: We must have a clarification some time.
        In my case they’re born three decades ago and confident enough in their government positions after all this time to be able to talk.
        
        But not beyond the envelope of a civil lawsuit for slander. We all recall David Lange’s success in such.
        
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        October 9, 2022 11:58pm
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Well then it would be very good if Henry Cooke at the Guardian or Dan Wooton or Spiked looked into this secret, since media here won’t do its job. After all we are not the citizens of New Zealand.
  
  Or the Spectator or the Australian since the Australian journalists do have a backbone and professional journalistic integrity.
  
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  October 10, 2022 9:13pm
All_on_Red

Reason #643 not to buy an Electric Car
https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electric-vehicles-catching-fire-in-florida-after-hurricane-ian/
And Batteries in E-bikes seem to have issues too.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgyd3n/new-york-has-an-e-bike-fire-problem-but-not-a-solution

I understanding Insurance companies are looking at whether they insure EVs being shipped because of all the fires on Ships. Next will we see Apartment buildings or TH complexes banning EVs because of the fire risk?
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October 9, 2022 8:54am
- Nickc2
  
  Insurance Companies won’t miss a trick and I don’t want a Premium increase because my neighbour’s EV may catch fire and …… Well, you know how it goes in Insurance speak.
  
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  October 9, 2022 8:59am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  https://insideevs.com/news/561549/study-evs-smallest-fire-risk/
  
  “Now it has been confirmed with data from the National Transport Safety Board, compiled by AutoinsuranceEZ, which says that hybrid vehicles have the highest fire risk.
  
  Fully electric vehicles, on the other hand, were deemed far safer than both hybirds and gas cars; they are far less likely to catch fire, with just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales. That’s compared to 3,474 hybrid fires and 1,529 ICE fires per 100,000 sales”
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:07am
  - alloytoo
    
    It would be good to have the average duration and property damage cost per fire in each category.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:23am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Now now, stop spoiling my mischief with your facts.
    I think the main point is EV fires are very hard to put out.
    A sprinkler system will put out a petrol car fire but not an EV fire.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:33am
  - rouppe
    
    The big difference is that those hybrid and eV fires will be happening while parked and tethered at home? Just as assumption since the fires aboard ships suggest the vehicles aren’t being used…
    
    Ice car fires will be while they are being used. I would imagine. So the overall damage will be limited to the car and a bit of asphalt, not a house or apartment building
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:52pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Lies, lies and statistics….
    
    How does the average age of fleet influence this result? Machinery becomes more unreliable and more risky as it ages. ICE fleet will be significantly older than EV fleet. So logically ICE fleet would be currently more problematic than EVs. Might look a bit different in 5 years time.
    
    Another interesting stat would be on a per km basis. With limited range of EVs the rate of issue per km travelled is likely to be much higher.
    
    Also, ICE vehicles will on average be travelling faster speeds, as doing more open road motoring – so are fires more likely to occur at higher velocity? One would expect so given the old road safety mantra “the faster you go the bigger the mess”.
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kelvin Davis is so out of his depth as a Cabinet Minister.

“When Davis was asked whether any staff at Oranga Tamariki had been stood down he replied “not to my knowledge.” He doesn’t even know. He hasn’t even asked. That is incompetent.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2210/S00052/davis-hiding-behind-report.htm
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October 9, 2022 8:58am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Indeed Maggy – those words “He hasn’t even asked” are an indictment on his stewardship of Oranga Tamariki.
  
  He’s also reported as saying that we can’t let OT “burn down”, but that was exactly what he did during what he called an “inmate disorder event”, also known as a riot, at Waikeria Prison.
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Called ‘special K’ for a reason.
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:19am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Maggy, I think you could just stop at “Kelvin Davis is out of his depth.”
  
  Still can’t forget how classless his election night speech was. Something you would expect at a rugby club after match function, not from the Deputy PM.
  
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  October 9, 2022 1:04pm
  - jon
    
    PL remember he is deputy leader of the Labour party but not Deputy PM. Funny that. Speaks volumes!
    
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    October 9, 2022 1:48pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Good point Jon – keeps his mana intact but he doesn’t have to take any interviews. How many of the labour mps are trusted to talk to the media? Robo, Hipkins, Verrall, Woods, – it is a pretty short list!
      
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      October 9, 2022 10:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Goody…
a new youngish female poli to grace the Women’s Mags..

https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/real-life/winning-lotto-made-me-miserable-45856

(personal disclosure: I prefer viewing full-figured gals than haggard stick-insects)
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October 9, 2022 9:10am
- C-Town
  
  So 1.4 million dollars made her unhappy?
  
  And now she’ll be in charge of many millions of Wellington ratepayers money.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:53am
ClanMcleod

That’s nice, Australia will pay for your funeral if you are killed by the vaccine.

“Deceased COVID 19 vaccine recipient payments and funeral costs.”

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/australia-has-solved-the-vaccine?r=u4qo&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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October 9, 2022 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Free funeral gift card with your vaccine. Charming. Why are they that desperate to pump people up with experimental medicine?
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:24am
Warren

Could we have a cat fight Maggy , as you know Jacinda doesn’t like competition.
You know she likes to hog the headlines.
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October 9, 2022 9:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the Magazine owners will have a few issues to ponder:
  
  Is their readership more interested in a bright young star on her way up or a faded, jaded, over-exposed PM?
  
  Is their Auckland readership interested in a Wellington politician? (Is Tory more clickbait than Čhłöę?)
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:42am
  - david
    
    Well Maggie, it has to be Yes to anyone who doesn’t like umlauts.
    
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    October 9, 2022 5:00pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Don’t confuse Maggy with Maggie!
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:27pm
Benedict Yu

So the last government gave a National Park to a local iwi. Six years later most of the huts are being demolished to be replaced with more culturally appropriate structures. I can’t wait to see them.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/300705837/dozens-of-huts-to-be-removed-from-te-urewera-as-thoe-plan-bespoke-replacements
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October 9, 2022 9:29am
- OlderChas
  
  Who is paying?
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:36am
  - Paulus
    
    You will be paying, as I will, for new Kulture !
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:01am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Kruger Kulture.
      
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      October 10, 2022 9:28pm
- crackle
  
  What chance they’re actually going to be really flash all the bells and whistles…. that end up as luxury holiday homes… impossible to book for the average punter wanting to go for a hike…
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:55am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Another fine example of co-governance. Iwi will do as they bloody well please, Kiwi will bankroll. Yippee! “Let’s do this” – Labour.
  
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  October 9, 2022 1:11pm
Benedict Yu

I wonder if Jacinda will congratulate the new Auckland mayor? 😂
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October 9, 2022 9:31am
- Ghost
  
  Oh I’m sure she already congratulated collins on his win when she endorsed him, oh whooops, can she take it back?
  
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  October 9, 2022 9:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Only if she is dragged kicking and screaming
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:25am
- jon
  
  I m waiting to hear if she has sent her congrats to the new WOMAN PM of Italy!
  
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  October 9, 2022 1:54pm
Eh?

Happy 70th birthday, Mr Putin. I hope you got a blast out of the present your Ukrainian cousins sent you.
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October 9, 2022 9:46am
- Lance
  
  That bridge explosion was a significant event. It was speculated that it was being left alone as a kind of last resort or bargaining chip. Obviously Ukraine have had enough of playing that game.
  This is sort of end-game territory with Crimea being increasingly isolated.
  This should be interesting now that the Russians are in full retreat, with depleted weapons and soldiers with the latest conscripts being months away from ready, even if they somehow had weapons to support them.
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:42am
  - Ghost
    
    Russia aren’t in full retreat
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:51am
    - Lance
      
      Considering the speed of advance in the Kherson and Luhansk areas, I’m not so sure about that.
      
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      October 9, 2022 11:05am
      - Ghost
        
        I’ve been watching videos the past few days of huge trains of equipment heading from Russia to Ukraine, so the next week or two will be telling
        
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        October 9, 2022 12:09pm
      - Bloody Dago
        
        More military hardware for HIMARS probably! The back stories behind some of the Ukrainian villages after the Russians fled tell of a very disturbed and disorganised Russian army
        
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        October 9, 2022 6:36pm
  - Ghost
    
    The bridge has partially reopened to traffic and to trains shortly.
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:08pm
Tomtoddy

People who woke feeling sick this morning:
Ardern
37 labour MP’s
Auckland Transport employees
MahutaCorp
Wellington bureaucrats
Consultants Ltd
Light Rail builders
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October 9, 2022 10:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No sympathy. They made the bed and shit in it.
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:33am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Climate Crisis cyclists. 😂 Looks like the cycleway to Christchurch airport will get the chop.
  
  The new mayor campaigned on prioritising repairing Christchurch roads, many of which are in terrible shape. I can’t wait for the tantrums. 😂😂😂😂
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:33am
  - Taieri
    
    Looks like the cycleway to Christchurch airport will get the chop
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    Bugger! How am I going to get to the airport?
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Supershuttle, like normal people do.
      
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      October 9, 2022 3:01pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Now that list know how we feel
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:26am
RockyJ

Spare a thought for Tauranga. No council election. Why not? Surely this was the opportunity for a council to be elected.
I would love to read the thoughts of Tauranga citizens on their situation
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October 9, 2022 10:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Completely undemocratic.
  
  Citizens of Tauranga should have had the same right as other NZ citizens to vote for their Local reps.
  
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  October 9, 2022 10:21am
  - Ghost
    
    What was the town that National put a commissioner in? I can’t remember. We lost ECAN for a while but it was a mess and needed to be done
    
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    October 9, 2022 10:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      National did not put a commissioner in any town , they did replace the corrupted ECAN which were refusing to do their proper duties and began acting as activists, the floods in canterbury were made worse because they would not let rivers be maintained, when trees and rubble are building up in rivers they choke and make floods worse
      
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      October 9, 2022 11:31am
      - Ghost
        
        Found it
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/kaipara-council-commissioners-appointed-0
        
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        October 9, 2022 11:47am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Ghost – are you the pseudonym for Wayne Mapp, because you appear similar in your outlooks.
      
      A number of differences between Kaipara and Tauranga:
      One is geographically widespread, rural, poor community the other a major urban wealthy city.
      One struggled to find Councillors with the skill level to run their affairs, the other was divided along lines of agreeing/disagreeing with TOW partnership principal, which they should have been supported to debate properly.
      One had governance imposed for 3 years, the other had it imposed for 5 years.
      
      So essentially disagree with the Government of the days stance on policy and we will kick you out and assume power over you. For as long as we need to suppress the peasants.
      
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      October 9, 2022 1:26pm
      - Ghost
        
        Na, I’m too young to be Wayne
        
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        October 9, 2022 2:09pm
- Paulus
  
  As a voter in Tauranga I would not grace this forum with any true comments.
  Mahuta is our Leader in all things.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:03am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Agreed Paulus. All my acquaintances are pretty pissed off that things are being done to our city when we have no say in it, & on top of that, greatly increasing our rates as a bonus. 🙁
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:44pm
- oldfella
  
  RockyJ: How about ‘appalling’? And no return to local body democracy in Tauranga any time soon.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought the commissioner was for one more year, o thought Tauranga was voting next year
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:33am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The Commissioners are here till 2024.
      
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      October 9, 2022 12:45pm
Bob

To me, the most notable thing about the election of Wayne Brown was the deafening silence from the Horrid.
No congratulatory headlines and offers of media support for his ambitions for the city; now had it been a Collins win, one can visualise the font size of the headlines congratulating Collins
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October 9, 2022 10:10am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  They are in a no win situation. Wayne is busy sticking their journos photos in public toilet bowls. How can they congratulate him?
  
  Bot to mention they shamelessly promoted Efeso Collins all the way through.
  
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  October 9, 2022 3:25pm
Bobba Fret

Just watching Tania Tapsell being interviewed in Rotorua. She is very impressive and professional.
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October 9, 2022 10:47am
- crackle
  
  Yeah she’s very impressive, had seen her on one of the weekend politics shows as well a while back.
  Hopefully the National party gets stuck in to help her fix the shit mess in Rotorua because it’s pretty likely the govt will be actively trying to undermine any efforts from the council.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:00am
- BeaB
  
  She should be a National MP instead of those numpties in suits we keep being dished up. Mind you,she could make Rotorua a real pain in the neck for Labour.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:14am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Also a pain in the neck for Te Parti Maori.
    
    Put her up as MP for Waiariki
    
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    October 9, 2022 1:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, and would make a great Nat candidate, its funny really, because Luxon visited Rotarua, the next day she put her hand up and Mayoral candidate, i just wonder if a play will happen over the dead beats in motels there leading up to the election , and they need a centre right mayor to succeed
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:35am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Rongotai Electorate is a very safe Labour seat… but it looks like their sitting MP Paul Eagle is not a popular chap with folks down Wellington way.

Eagle said Wellington has spoken but he remained the MP for Rongotai.

He said he would not stand down, and had not made any decisions about his future yet.

“We’ve got [Parliament] recess at the moment, and I’ve talked to the prime minister and deputy prime minister and I’ll, look when I get back to Parliament that will give me a good week to think about things.”

He would talk to the party, his family and supporters before deciding if he would run again for the seat, he said.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476322/failed-wellington-mayoral-candidate-paul-eagle-says-everyone-voted-on-party-lines

I suspect he might be having a few chats to Kris Faafoi in the not too distant future.
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October 9, 2022 11:02am
- greybeard
  
  Paul Eagle, Chris Faafoi & Efeso Collins should get together and start a band.
  Or a Givealittle page…..
  
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  October 9, 2022 2:32pm
- david
  
  Obviously Eagle never had any confidence in his ability to get elected as Mayor, otherwise he would have had the cojones to step down from Parliament and go all out.
  His lack of confidence in himself and his ability is obviously well placed.
  Just a pity that we keep paying him to do jack shit and take home more than he will ever command as a salary again in his life.
  
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  October 9, 2022 5:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    Would you quit your job before getting a new one? I wouldn’t
    
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    October 9, 2022 5:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Would you let everyone in your current workplace know that you were actively working/campaigning in another work venue…(and hence not attending to your current job)?
      
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      October 9, 2022 7:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        If I was an MP and had the blessing of the party, yes. If being headhunted by another company then yes to see if the current company would beat the offer.
        
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        October 9, 2022 7:46pm
Jimbob

Wellington is f….., I mean stuffed. Gridlock for the next three years. Rates to explode higher, and bikes filling the streets. I suggest residents start praying now. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
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October 9, 2022 11:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes. Below is just a selection of her policies. It goes on and on. There is nothing in her policy document about finance, rates, and who is going to pay for all this. This lot will add up to billions of dollars. I can see buyers’ remorse coming fast 🙂
  
  https://www.torywhanau.co.nz/
  
  “As Mayor, Tory Whanau will:
  
  Make our major bus routes faster and more frequent by adding more bus priority lanes to our roads – and ensure all buses are accessible for people with disabilities.
  
  Accelerate the delivery of a comprehensive connected bike network, focused on safe links to our schools, the CBD, and between our suburbs.
  Trial the use of community storage facilities for bikes, reducing a common barrier to cycling uptake.
  
  Champion lightrail from the railway station through an urban revitalisation corridor from the waterfront to the hospital and then to Island Bay.
  Maintain momentum on existing work to reduce speeds near schools, provide better pedestrian connections, and improve the accessibility of our streets
  
  Advocate for free public transport
  
  Roll out a comprehensive network of EV fast chargers through the city.
  
  Highlight the arts in our city, by investing directly in Wellington’s existing artistic infrastructure. This will include spaces for mural walls, temporary outdoor installations, and small performance stages and locations for projections.
  Invest in art community hubs across Wellington. Here artists can come together, put on shows and access Council services.
  
  Create an annual Summer of Wellington festival series, building on existing festivals and events, with seed funding and expertise to support more local outdoor musical, artistic, and cultural celebration over summer.
  
  Advance plans for a medium sized performing arts venue (400 – 800 capacity) and revitalise many of our current venues so there are more options for artistic performances.
  
  Establish an Arts & Culture Sector advisory group to council to oversee council support for the arts. This group will include rotating art community representatives and will be supported by council staff. Staff supporting the advisory group will help develop initiatives to ensure underserved communities have access to the arts.
  
  Review the funding application process to make it easier for artists to access funding for their shows.
  
  Make the arts more accessible for our tamariki and those without equitable access to shows, by funding free sessions of selected shows on weekdays, to ensure the arts remain part of our Wellington culture now and in the future.
  
  Te Ao Māori – work alongside mana whenua for increased visibility and presence of te ao Māori so Wellington will become a culturally rich city for all.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    Whoever voted for that, deserves all they get.
    
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    October 9, 2022 12:16pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I expected that we would have been promised unicorns, but I suppose they are intersectional pseudo-normative relics of our white patriarchal culture .. so not allowed.
    
    Seriously, Wellington is screwed. A reality adjacent Green activist with nothing to offer beyond woke talking points.
    
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    October 9, 2022 2:22pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Fantasy stuff. Eagle said fix the pipes and finished fourth. I guess the Art types of Te Aro, Mt Cook and the hippie families in Island Bay, Mt Vic and Haitaitai are happy biking and walking through shit to see Art…
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:37pm
Hugh Jarse

Great result yesterday apart from Wellington. I hope the Wellingtonians enjoy biking in from the Hutt and Porirua at no more than 30 kph to the airport to catch their early morning flights.
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October 9, 2022 11:17am
- Northshoredoc
  
  Wellington is a great place to visit for a day or two.
  
  Living there must be a hellish experience.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:27am
  - than
    
    A few years ago I’d agree with you on the first part. Not nearly as nice as it used to be for visitors.
    The second is more true than ever.
    
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    October 9, 2022 11:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Not entrely a comment – We lived there in the 1980s and loved it.
    It had a good business core when the HOs were there.
    I have family 2 generations still there.
    
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    October 9, 2022 1:19pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I meant to edit this but screwed up the process. My extra point is how this result will impact on the feeder cities for Wellington workers from the two Hutt cities and Porirua. Central Wellington towards Courtney Place end is already dead and an unpleasant place to be. Making it more difficult for workers and shoppers to get to the city by more focus on climate change by restricting and slowing motor vehicles down and more diesel wasting public transport is not going to liven the city up.
  
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  October 9, 2022 12:56pm
- The Feed
  
  Long time Wellingtonian.
  
  This city is very close to being ruined.
  
  In the 90s and early 2000’s, Wellington found its mojo. However, three events have sent the city hurtling down the wrong track, a track heading for a washed out bridge.
  
  Firstly, the earthquake took out large parking buildings. Secondly, a green mayor was elected. Thirdly, Covid work-from-home.
  
  The council never opened these parking buildings. They opened cycleways, instead.
  
  Only die-hards ride bicycles in howling southerlies. There aren’t many of these people.
  
  Finding a park in town has become difficult and expensive, so many people who live in the suburbs don’t bother going into the central city unless they have to.
  
  The new motorway has opened up the Kapiti Coast.
  
  Then there is “working from home”.
  
  If that genie doesn’t go back in the bottle, then many Wellington City businesses will close. Landlords certainly won’t be able to charge high rents. The council will get increasingly desperate for revenue that will no longer arrive. Buildings won’t be built, existing stock won’t be well maintained.
  
  Apartment living will become increasingly unattractive. What’s the point? People put up with living in apartments in order to walk to work – which is now done at home – and for access to the nice shops, cafes and restaurants.
  
  Which will no longer be there.
  
  The business owners will be chasing the herd, and lower rents, in the growing suburbs, and up the coast.
  
  Add in community emergency housing in central city hotels, and the squalor and social ills that follow just as soon as you can say “Queen Street”, and the downward spiral will become irreversible.
  
  There won’t be much point in an expensive tram. And who would pay for it anyway? High frequency, cheap public transport in Wellington’s rabbit warren of suburban streets is fanciful nonsense. There aren’t enough people to pay for it. Their medium density “vibrant” living will turn into slums as the only people living in central Wellington will be students and others who have little choice. Council, in need of rates funding, will green light low quality builds.
  
  And now we have a mayor who thinks we are in the middle of a climate emergency and that bicycle lanes are pretty neat. Expensive green cliches, heading for the washed out bridge.
  
  Unless it becomes easy to get into town and park (no chance), unless people return to work in offices, en masse (seems increasingly unlikely) and unless Wellington wakes up and votes for business-friendly, pro-development mayors, it is hard to see Wellington ever recovering.
  
  Which is sad.
  
  It has a pretty harbour.
  
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  October 9, 2022 2:41pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Very well articulated.
    
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    October 9, 2022 4:10pm
  - rouppe
    
    I love and work in Porirua. I went into the city to catch up with an out of town friend the other week.
    
    That is maybe the fourth time I’d been into the city this year
    
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    October 9, 2022 5:18pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    San Fran Wellywood of the South Pacific, just need the homeless to move in to complete the visage!
    
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    October 9, 2022 6:41pm
Northshoredoc

Next year’s election is now clearly National/ACTs to lose.

Unfortunately we can not underestimate National’s ability to shoot themselves in both feet as they approach the finish line.
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October 9, 2022 11:26am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Northshoredoc-
  Forewarned is forearmed as the saying goes.
  I bet that the Labour Party’s army of consultants, strategists and PR spinners will now be asked to come up with some different ideas for next year’s general election campaign.
  They now have the knowledge and the time to re-assess how they are going to con enough people to vote them in again.
  There will be subtle changes in comms and “framing” and maybe even a few concessions re some of their more extreme policy ambitions – until after the election.
  These are people for whom political power is everything.
  Even they will be admitting that a lot of people don’t like them – not just no-account, old white people and “boomers”.
  National will have to be on top of their game even more so now – not less.
  
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  October 9, 2022 2:03pm
Surely Knott

When Trump loses and questions the process it’s a dangerous attack on democracy. When Labour lose and Ardern questions the process it’s a flawed election that must be changed.
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October 9, 2022 11:44am
- All_on_Red
  
  According to the Left, Democracy is always in danger when they lose.
  
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  October 9, 2022 11:53am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my FB:
One of the greatest problems with socialists is they will not recognise that their philosophy could be in error. It’s always someone else fault when it eventually goes tits up. Look at the maggots that infest the UN, they have all the grand plans, all the answers and yet fail to acknowledge that it’s been tried before with totally disastrous results. The real fault with elite socialists is the belief they have a right to tell others how to live their lives when usually the ones doing all the telling are living high on the hog and live lives of privilege and opulence, I have no time for the fuckers.
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October 9, 2022 11:48am
- rouppe
  
  I have long held that Labour and Green Party members are so full of their self righteousness that they can’t conceive that there might be a different opinion to theirs
  
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  October 9, 2022 5:13pm
Benedict Yu

One thing to watch is whether the Government enters an undeclared war of non-cooperation with Auckland and Christchurch Councils. In Christchurch it seems clear that there is going to be a revolution in spending priorities – especially on transport – and cutting waste. That will not go down well with the Government.
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October 9, 2022 11:51am
Benedict Yu

You would think that today, the only topic for a political cartoonist would be to lampoon the socialist local government candidates. But instead it a lame attack on Luxon.

Pathetic.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/94869389/sharon-murdoch-cartoons
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October 9, 2022 12:10pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I note Sharon Murdoch “won Canon Media Awards Cartoonist of the Year in 2016 and 2017, and Voyager Media Awards Cartoonist of the Year in 2018”.
  
  Reminds me of the episode of Kitchen Nightmares where Gordon Ramsey absolutely blasted a restaurant for saying they had won the local newspaper eatery of the year, the year before. He made them remove all signage about their one-year-old win.
  
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  October 9, 2022 12:22pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I think she’s won the toilet paper of the year award ever since.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:25pm
Biscuit

You good folk at Kiwiblog deserve a hearty pat or several on the back…

I am just back from a great month-long trip to those You Ess Of Eh…

[Got to watch the Yankees lose – twice, heh – and, ye Gods, the 49ers win…]

I get back and what do I find?
• Labour’s polling has fallen through the floor
• Mayoralty candidates specifically endorsed by You KnowWho have had their rear ends handed to them on a platter
• Wellington not only won the Ranfurly Shield (suck that up, pdm!) but, astonishingly, even actually defended it…

Isn’t life good!
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October 9, 2022 12:42pm
Caine9

Yesterday’s results show how tarnished Ardern’s image has become where it matters, here in NZ.
The votes against her endorsed candidates will have them panicking.
Labour have used council control by their bonded mayors as a means to market and implement their government policies at a local level to give them a smoother ride. This stuffs that model for them.
The threat of dismissal from the Party is irrelevant.
That alone is worthy of celebration.
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October 9, 2022 12:45pm
Alan Wilkinson

I hope the new Mayors put a large bomb under LGNZ.
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October 9, 2022 1:23pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Careful AW – those alt-lefties don’t understand metaphors and figurative language! Your post will be used by the disinformation project to support their activism that the alt-right ( that’s anyone right of Stalin) are becoming more nutty and violent.
  
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  October 9, 2022 1:33pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I should worry about halfwits? There are too many to care about, especially in Wellington.
    
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    October 9, 2022 9:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://stopcogovernance.site/blog/f/co-governance-an-astoundingly-wrong-maori-explanation-part-2
The Zimbabwe of the South Pacific.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/What-Is-Co-Governance-An-Astoundingly-Wrong-Maori-Explanation-Part-2-2.pdf
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October 9, 2022 2:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Crazy Joe wants to run USA into the ground. US has oil, so why stop production and sell reserves to China? Then buy from the Middle East. Now crazy Joe wants to lift sanctions against Venezuela and buy their oil.
Joe! You have your own oil in Texas and Alaska!

https://valiantnews.com/2022/10/biden-may-lift-sanctions-on-venezuela-for-oil-amid-domestic-drilling-cuts-opec-fallout/?
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October 9, 2022 2:31pm
- rouppe
  
  Wonder whether anyone is “having regerts” (sp) over this one.
  
  (idiot…)
  
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  October 9, 2022 5:08pm
wilderbeast

Oh how the mighty have fallen:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/hollywood-lister-taika-waititi-enjoys-dunedin%E2%80%99s-bars

One month mayor of the city and hanging out with NZ’s Hollywood prince of woke Taika Waititi, next month unemployed and no one wants to know you….
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