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Warren

Social Development Minister, Ministry rebuff questions over Northland Lockdown on False Grounds.
How can this Government, Prime Minister and Senior MP’s be trusted when they have lied their arses off trying to rebuff questions.over Northland and cover up on false grounds.
This Government became the choice of the Nation with their supposed stance on Covid-19, transparency and honesty, but all we seem to hear nowadays is their inability to tell the truth and how they are still trying to coverup the facts from the New Zealand Population.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130054218/social-development-minister-ministry-rebuff-questions-over-northland-lockdown-on-false-grounds
How can our Prime Minister continually blame and smear the opposition by trying to insinuating they can’t be trusted , when these facts actually tell the opposite.
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October 4, 2022 8:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jacinda’s Lying government exposed – by Andrea Vance.
  
  (But why in the days when Parliament is in holiday mode?)
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:16am
  - Ra Henare
    
    To avoid the Labour Party PR machine spinning it!!
    
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    October 4, 2022 2:55pm
- Simon
  
  “How can our Prime Minister continually blame and smear the opposition by trying to insinuating they can’t be trusted , when these facts actually tell the opposite.”
  
  Its called the narrative. Its how NZ is run.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:20am
Captain Mainwaring

Tragic story from Palmerston North Hospital.
Young heavily pregnant Maori woman presented back in February with sepsis. Had to sit in Emergency for over 12 hours before she was admitted to Intensive Care, by which time it was too late. She and the baby both died.
This is terrible, and no doubt the Maoris will ram it down our throats as a reason why Maori need a separate health system, and on the evidence of this case I have to agree with them.
But will their system be any better?
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October 4, 2022 8:02am
- Thought Criminal
  
  It will be better for all the extra managers and administrators.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:09am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think from what I read and saw on TV the ER dept at PN hospital might be the problem as it seems it is way below par in the first place.
  It is a sad outcome but IMO there have been many, many folk in NZ that have presented to ER, unattended or sent home that have passed away and they have been many ethnicities.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:10am
- Nukuleka
  
  Rather an odd conclusion you come to. Are you suggesting that this would not have happened had the unfortunate woman not been Maori and, if this is so, what is your evidence?
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:13am
  - Yabster
    
    I did find it weird the media said the woman was Maori- why is that relevant?- the outcome would have been the same whatever ethnicity (and points to some well documented issued at that hospital) – the media can’t pick and choose- ie bad outcome- name the ethnicity, crime etc def don’t include ethnicity….
    
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    October 4, 2022 8:28am
    - rouppe
      
      It is relevant to the “Maori are victims of colonial oppression” narrative
      
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      October 4, 2022 8:17pm
  - Matt Long
    
    He is not from what I can tell, but this tragedy of incompetence by Labour will naturally be ammunition for those who see it as a symptom of racism.
    Further rascism cannot be ruled out, staff who are faced by a barrage of intoxicated, abusive and violent Maori may in fact be influenced in the way they treated this case.
    
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    October 4, 2022 8:35am
- cmm
  
  This is no reason at all for a separate health system. No doubt they’d have dropped the ball just the same for anyone else.
  
  The real issue is the shortage of staff – from the porters right up to the senior specialists.
  
  We had tens of billions to piss away on CV19. Pity that wasn’t but into something more useful like heathcare instead.
  
  Our immigration people are falling over themselves trying to make Aotearoa into a wonderful welcoming place for refugees. Pity they aren’t instead making NZ into a wonderful, welcoming place for valuable professionals.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:14am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    CMM’s fourth paragraph cuts to the root of what is wrong in our country.
    
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    October 4, 2022 8:49am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: Indeed…I find it hugely disturbing that our political elites seem to have zero awareness of the fate of countries – Sweden is currently the worst example – which allow their Muslim population to exceed 5%.
    
    The Muslim population of Sweden is currently more than 20% – and they are still taking them in – 50,00+ per year IIRC.
    
    Sweden has gone from being one of the safest countries in Europe to one of the most deadly. Fifty plus shootings by members of the Religion of Peace thus far this year. (Zero shootings 15 years ago). Whole areas of cities where the police will not go.
    
    This fate surely awaits us also unless we wake up. Once we have gangs of Muslim youths who were born here, it will be way too late.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:10am
    - fernglas
      
      “A 2017 Pew Research report documents Sweden’s Muslim population at 810,000 people, 8.1% of Sweden’s total population of 10 million people.[7]”
      But don’t let the facts stand in the way of a good story
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:17am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Indeed. Facts are important, even if they’re 5 years old. Another more recent [tragic] fact is this: Sweden (63.54/100k) now has world’s the 5th highest rape rate, behind Botswana(99.92), Lesotho(82.68), South Africa(72.10), and Bermuda(67.29).
        
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        October 4, 2022 11:03am
      - David Garrett
        
        fernglas: You are clearly not very bright. Firstly, I am referring to the current Muslim population of Sweden, not what it was five years ago.
        
        Secondly, even if the current Muslim population was only 8% of Sweden’s population (rather than 20%+) that makes the situation even worse. In other words if they have big problems with Muslim violence with 8% of the population being Muslim, things will be a damn sight worse when the Muslim population is more than double that.
        
        If you can’t follow the above, you may need to get someone to help you explain it to you
        
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        October 4, 2022 11:31am
      - jon
        
        Even 8.1% is of concern, given the occurrences!
        
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        October 4, 2022 12:52pm
      - Jim
        
        I’d consider that ancient data in terms of Swedish immigration, and if the population is currently less than 20%, it would only make the crime stats worse.
        I guess you’re probably missing the main point though.
        
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        October 4, 2022 5:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        Just out of interest David where does the 20% figure come from, been looking and I can’t find anything that lists that. Found a few sites that list it as 8.1 but I don’t believe that has remained the same for the past 4 years
        
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        October 4, 2022 6:20pm
    - herb1
      
      500 bombings over the last 2 years as well.
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:20am
    - Opie
      
      DG, I think it’s already too late.
      
      But where can you go that’s any better?
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:20am
    - kowtow
      
      Another delusion of the Elites , and this is current , is that engagement and economic integration with authoritarian regimes will bring them into the fold .
      
      How’s that working out for us with China and for Europe and their dependence on Russian gas as the lights go out .
      
      If any thing both those countries are more of a threat the more of our money we give them .
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:25am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      David we have to import thousands of muslims or we won’t be in the club, besides they have to carry on with the diversity mantra because if they stop they admit the whole idea was a mistake and multiculturalism doesn’t work something both Merkel and Cameron both did before miraculously changing their minds and allowing ,in Merkel’s case , millions to enter their country in a matter of weeks.
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:26am
    - cmm
      
      DG: Our saving grace seems to be that they don’t want to come here.
      
      The refugees of Manus Island are not signing up in droves to come to NZ. It seems they would rather stay there pursuing other options.
      
      GG is saying it is because they are traumatised and have lost faith in the system, but perhaps many really want to be going somewhere else and are hanging on with their fingernails for something else.
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:54am
      - Nickc2
        
        Why would they want to come here? Our cost of living is too expensive, taxes are amongst the highest in the western world, we have a Marxist dictator as PM, our health care system is nonexistent, our schools have low levels of achievement, our roads are 3rd world standard, and racism is not only rife, it’s encouraged.
        Stay in your Island Paradice and want for nothing.
        
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        October 4, 2022 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Billions for CV19 was healthcare. Jaspinda saved 80,000 lives.
    All hail Jaspinda.//
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:14am
  - I remember when
    
    It’s a known fact that Palmerston North, despite their reasonably close proximity to Wellington, have problems attracting medical staff and particularly specialists.
    
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    October 4, 2022 1:57pm
- tedbear
  
  What’s to stop Maoris building their own hospitals and filling them with Maori doctors and Maori nurses?
  It’s not like they haven’t got the $millions.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Exactly, it’s not as if they haven’t got the land eh?
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:01am
  - Sideoiler
    
    What’s to stop Maoris building their own hospitals and filling them with Maori doctors and Maori nurses?
    It’s not like they haven’t got the $millions.
    
    Because maori solutions to maori problems just can not be provided without white c#!ts money.
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:15am
- crikey
  
  This has nothing to do with a separate Maori health system. It’s all about ED identifying a serious problem and acting properly. The thing is though, sepsis (septic shock) can develop very quickly and may not have been evident when the person was first triaged.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep and it has nothng to do with the race of the patient.
    
    For the life of me I don’t see how that comes into it, but it was part of the “news” story last night on tv.
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:22am
  - I remember when
    
    Palmerston North midwifes have been in a number of disputes with the Hospital.
    A group worked from a unit a short distance from the hospital which I think has now closed.
    However, I believe there is still considerable lack of harmony.
    
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    October 4, 2022 2:05pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  I wouldn’t agree with your conclusion about “the Maoris will ram it down our throats”.
  This is more about basic human rights in our so-called 1st world NZ. We are slipping into 3rd world status at this rate regardless. Our health system is diabolical and nothing to be proud of at the moment.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:58am
- Scooter
  
  I noticed the PM immediately handed the question over to Ayesha Verrall, who again is showing she is not up to these public interviews, being very uncomfortable, nervous and not able to communicate clearly.
  Maybe she is just more at odds with not telling the truth about the health ministry than what Jacinda is.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:02am
  - Jim
    
    Agree she’s not demonstrating expected confident communications for that level of executive leadership……and before anyone chimes in……that observation has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman, I actually think similarly of Luxon.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:14am
  - Opie
    
    The other thing I noticed is that when the media reported on it, they threw in comments from Shane Reti about how bad the system was and what had gone wrong but they made it sound like it was his fault and responsibility.
    
    The level of knowledge and professionalism between Reti and verral was also fairly clear.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:25am
- Jim
  
  Tragic, I hope the story gets traction with the real investigative media (not shill government stooges). Especially the government’s squandered C19 billions $$$ that should have directly bolstered our health care capacity and capability.
  
  I do echo your concerns about the real world potential of the MHA versus the HNZ. But fundamentally why anyone should need to be treated differently is beyond me, in a medical emergency aren’t we all just humans?
  
  I have friends who’s critically ill elderly relative waited in that ED for an excruciatingly long time on a trolley. Where’s the media on this issue of failed governance of the public health care system?
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:05am
- Ghost
  
  Have you got a link to the story that says it was a Māori woman, didn’t see that in any of the articles I saw about it yesterday.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:24am
  - Yabster
    
    here is one- wasn’t hard to goggle it..
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/palmerston-north-hospital-details-of-damning-reports-revealed-after-tragic-deaths.html
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:38am
    - Ghost
      
      Thanks
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:42am
- Surely Knott
  
  The incident happened in Feb at the height of the pandemic regulations. I think more relevant than race is why was she left waiting. Was this in Feb when Palmerston North waiting room was named a location of interest? Did they have to close and do an industrial clean? How did people wait for the ER was it in tents or in their cars or in the waiting room? Was she unvaccinated ? What was the protocol for unvaccinated? Was she covid positive? Did either of these impact her wait time. How did home isolation affect their staffing levels.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:11am
  - ISeeRed
    
    She was Maori. Therefore, systemic racism. End of.
    
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    October 4, 2022 12:25pm
- Sacha
  
  It was a tragic loss of life, no question.
  
  One evening I found myself working in an ED. Everything seemed to be more or less in control, but there was quite a crowd in the waiting room, so I went out to check that. Right at the back of the room was a little old lady in a wheelchair. So I asked her how long, & why, she was there. She had been dropped off in the afternoon and it was now after 8 (I started work at 7). She was blue and cold. She needed to go to the toilet. She felt dreadful. She asked me if she was going to die. Not today I said, and wheeled her through the crowd to an oxygen outlet in a warm cubicle. We tucked her up, gave her a cup of tea, and the Dr assured her that we would look after her.
  I have always remembered her, and thought it was just sheer good luck that I was sent to work in ED that evening, and had the time to check out the waiting room. She might have died during the night , sitting in that wheel chair –
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:17am
- BeaB
  
  Why is a woman ‘heavily’ pregnant. Horrible expression and tells us very little.
  
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  October 4, 2022 1:44pm
kiwikidsnz

Andrea Vance is on a roll this week
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130054218/social-development-minister-ministry-rebuff-questions-over-northland-lockdown-on-false-grounds
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October 4, 2022 8:12am
- Harry Knuts
  
  maybe she’s finally off the payroll?
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:59am
  - David Garrett
    
    Harry: It’s quite clear the most recent bribe cheque has bounced…(or the expected deposit hasn’t been made by internet banking)
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:17am
    - trout
      
      Don’t underestimate the media’s ability to change sides if they think they are backing a losing horse. If the govt changes they will want to have preferential access; maybe time now to sow a few seeds.
      
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      October 4, 2022 11:31am
    - riffer
      
      You do realise that accusing a reporter of taking money in return for positive political coverage is clearly libel don’t you?
      
      And that the only way you could Clause 10 your way out of that is by convincing the court of your mental incapacity?
      
      On second thoughts, maybe that isn’t too far fetched an idea…
      
      Honestly, I think it’s time that somebody took some of you guys to court over your libel.
      
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      October 4, 2022 2:34pm
      - Harry Knuts
        
        PIJF payment by way of the newspaper she works for. Not libel by any stretch. As soon as a journo is paid by any of the news outlets that took the PIJF they are effectively on the PIJF payroll.
        
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        October 4, 2022 2:39pm
      - David Garrett
        
        …says the guy who hides here beside a pseud, rather than stand by his opinions.
        
        Oh, and we haven’t had libel actions for 30 years or more; both libel and slander were subsumed into the single tort of defamation years ago.
        
        Always happy to correct a bush lawyer…even an anonymous one.
        
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        October 4, 2022 4:56pm
Warren

Read this and ask yourself is this another moment of our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern being inspirational.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-rapist-anthony-hirawani-granted-early-prison-release/YJCPBI6KZNTZRO2KBXR5RMO2SI/
I wonder howshe and many others would feel if it was her daughter.
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October 4, 2022 8:15am
- David Garrett
  
  Rape sentences are woefully inadequate in NZ…the maximum penalty is 20 years; I don’t recall ever seeing a sentence even close to that. 12-14 years seems to be handed down even for the most serious offences.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:23am
  - Warren
    
    David Garret have we got a Police Force that doesn’t know how to get on top of these Ram raids or are they sick of cleaning up our Prime Minister’s Jacinda Ardern’s mess and feeble sentences.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/auckland-crime-wave-dairy-in-manurewa-pahurehure-liquor-store-robbed-thieves-damage-both-shops.html
    Surely New Zealand can’t continue on this path.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:30am
    - cmm
      
      It is a basic law of inertia/momentum that unless a force is applied, nothing changes.
      
      Whether individual cops have given up and are shrugging their shoulders I don’t know, but the Force, as a whole, is certainly not a Force any more. It’s not even a force.
      
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      October 4, 2022 10:03am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s been a “service” for a very long time .
        
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        October 4, 2022 10:19am
      - I remember when
        
        Just been to a supermarket where a chirpy member of staff was stocking some shelves.
        “It’s quiet at the moment but in the afternoon all the shoplifters come in.
        We can’t touch people who are shop lifting, we can try to retain them on the premises, but we aren’t allowed to touch them.”
        I don’t think he was trying to encourage me.
        
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        October 4, 2022 2:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Why was there $5000 in a till? Never heard of a floor safe?
      Something not right here.
      
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      October 4, 2022 10:32am
      - Random T Person
        
        When you get robbed there is always $5000 in the till, the same way that insurance is the major cause of house fires.
        
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        October 4, 2022 10:55am
      - trout
        
        There would be very few tills in Auckland containing $5000 cash (a very big float!) Could be money laundering or perhaps liquor stores are beneficiaries of the ‘cash’ economy. Or an insurance scam as suggested.
        
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        October 4, 2022 11:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Trout, maybe the liquor store sells a lot of other stuff besides liquor?
        
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        October 4, 2022 12:01pm
    - Jim
      
      Who would allow their offspring to work in a vulnerable retail setting today? Unfortunately that term means anything from a high end jewellery store, supermarket to a humble dairy.
      
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      October 4, 2022 6:26pm
  - Joely Doe
    
    9 months home detention for 4 rapes
    Jayden Meyer sentenced to nine months’ home detention
    
    2 months each rape – almost like crime pays.. until you see what’s on Netflix?
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:59am
- Dave
  
  There are plenty of things for which the PM can be justly criticised and mocked, but is this one of them?
  
  If the rapist is truly reformed, why hold him in jail any longer, or has he learned to game the system? Either way, it’s the Parole Board’s responsibility, not the PM’s.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:26am
  - Paulus
    
    But are not the Parole Board as appointed and confirmed by the Government – Ardern -who is the Government.
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:18am
    - Dave
      
      Possibly, possibly not.
      
      Thanks to Bing, I now know there are about 40 members of the Parole Board, appointed for renewable terms of up to three years by the Governor-General on the recommendation of the Attorney-General. A hard-line National (OK, that’s a bit of a self-contradiction) government could alter the PB’s composition quite quickly.
      
      https://www.paroleboard.govt.nz/about_us/who/become_a_member
      
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      October 4, 2022 1:09pm
- Opie
  
  They make it sound like once you accept that you did it and feel remorseful (not to the victim but because it’s effecting your own family) you can get out, regardless of how much of the pathetic sentence you have served.
  
  It’s a disgrace.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:31am
Surely Knott

Unionised University staff (surely some of NZ’s most socialist demographic) are striking for higher pay.

I thought the over riding goal of socialist nz was to create income equality within NZ. Doesn’t that mean a relative drop in pay for the well off? Are working elite socialists now threatening to go to even wealthier capitalist countries overseas countries to get paid more?

Haven’t the policies that socialists asked for and championed, knowingly led to inflation? (eg. large debt spending on covid health elimination, pr, vaccines , quarantines and lockdowns, shut downs of business, businesses paying for staff to have covid isolation days off when the whole family had to isolate for weeks, border closures, extra holidays, increase in the minimum wage, etc.)
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October 4, 2022 8:16am
- alloytoo
  
  Let them go, we a probably better off without them.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:43am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    All the non STEM ones at least.
    
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    October 4, 2022 6:57pm
cmm

Good, misunderstood boy, turned his life around etc etc…

Nope, not really a criminal.
Poor guy apparently fell in with the wrong sort.
Got into a teenie bit of trouble in Oz (hey a few burglaries and assaults, we’ve all been there, right).
They gave him a second chance (I assume the acting skills came into play).
He blew the second chance and threw him out.
And then he must have fallen in with the wrong crowd again in Auckland….

The dudge bought his acting though: ” “There’s some real positive aspects of your life that you’re able to point to,” the NZ Herald reported Judge David Sharp as saying at the sentencing.

“You’re someone who has the potential to make a consistent and long-term recovery.””

Well must have pissed someone off…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130061370/man-who-died-in-alleged-hit-and-run-in-west-auckland-was-former-child-actor
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October 4, 2022 8:28am
- ISeeRed
  
  Yes, notice the passivity of the wording:
  
  But after initially finding work, he fell in with the wrong crowd which led to him eventually being convicted of a number of offences, including assault and breaking and entering.
  
  In 2016 his criminal past saw him facing deportation under the section 501 of the Australian Migration Act.
  
  Things just happened to him. He “fell” in with the wrong crowd, like he had an accident and tripped. This “led” to him to being convicted, like he was propelled forward by some unknown force. His past “saw” him “face” deportation, rather than he got himself deported. He didn’t make bad choices or poor decisions. He didn’t have any free will or agency. He was a victim of circumstance and chance. And that worldview dominates the “justice” system today. Crims are victims. Never mind their victims.
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Graham Adams lifts the lid on the suppression of Maori “medicine”.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-did-pakeha-really-crush-traditional-maori-medicine
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October 4, 2022 8:32am
- Gravelroad
  
  It doesn’t suit the Maori Party agenda to speak the truth – even if they know what the truth is.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:46am
- Taieri
  
  Graham Adams lifts the lid on the suppression of Maori “medicine”.
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  This is just another stale, pale, male attempt to depreciate Matauranga. Deemed to fail of course as we are now finally starting to fully appreciate and value the other ways of knowing.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You’ve crossed the Bridge.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:20am
    - Taieri
      
      You’ve crossed the Bridge.
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      🙂
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Taieri-
    From the article, which is about The Tohunga Suppression Act of 1907:
    “The legislation was introduced to Parliament by one of Maoridom’s most illustrious politicians, James Carroll, who was Minister of Native Affairs (and later Acting Prime Minister on two occasions).
    
    In fact, all the four Māori MPs in Parliament in 1907 voted in favour — including rising star Apirana Ngata.
    
    Furthermore, it was strongly backed by Māui Pōmare, who became New Zealand’s first Māori doctor in 1899 — and was made Minister of Health in 1923.”
    Did you read it?
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:31am
    - Taieri
      
      Did you read it?
      ———
      
      Of course.
      
      I also read this:
      
      sarcasm
      sär′kăz″əm
      noun
      A cutting, often ironic remark intended to express contempt or ridicule.
      A form of wit characterized by the use of such remarks.
      A biting taunt or gibe, or the use of such a taunt; a bitter, cutting expression; a satirical remark or expression, uttered with scorn or contempt; in rhetoric, a form of irony; bitter irony.
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:43am
      - oldfella
        
        Ah, Taieri, I get it now. You meant it as ‘whakahāwea’?
        Why use an English word like sarcasm when Te Reo says it so much better? 😉
        
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        October 4, 2022 11:38am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    There is only one way of knowing. There are an infinite number of ways of not knowing.”
    It ain’t what you don’t know. It’s what you know that ain’t so.”
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:59am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Sorry Taieri, even Maori thought their medicine was so shit it should be banned. Pomare, Carroll and Ngata all voted for the Suppression Act. They were keen to stop Maori killing their kids. The so called medical part of matauranga was depreciated by Maori, whatever names you want to call whites who draw attention to the facts.
    
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    October 4, 2022 2:57pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Thanks for the windup Taieri,
    Gosh, got you to pink with so many down ticks from the easily fooled.
    
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    October 4, 2022 3:03pm
- cmm
  
  A lot will come down to how you define terms like “medicine”.
  
  Animals know to feed on various minerals/herbs when they have parasites or whatever. Are they also practising medicine?
  
  Many people seem to fall over ourselves to applaud any achievement by “special” cultures:
  * A Maori munches on an astringent herb and we call it medicine.
  * We find a pile of rocks in Africa and are amazed by the sophistication of Zimbabwe.
  
  C’mon, this is patronising. It’s like applauding people in the special olympics or kiddies at playcentre for their “awesome” artwork. When you do this here’s what you’re really saying:
  * Jim runs fast…. for a guy with one leg and brain damage.
  * Mary drew a really good picture… for a two year old.
  * Rangi did really well in maths… for a Maori.
  
  If you want people to continue failing then lower the standards that apply to them. Period.
  
  If you want people to succeed, then set the same level of expectations.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:26am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
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    If you want people to succeed, then set the same level of expectations…Period.
    ______________________
    
    Except there’s this thing called ‘equality of opportunity’ that the entitled pale male takes for granted and thinks everyone has it.
    
    There’s also the pale male cultural standard by which everyone is measured and that to succeed by that standard means becoming a pseudo pale male in dress, language, education etc…
    
    Seems a rather stale outlook to me. More suited to Victorian times.
    
    Every single day here it’s Maori bad, pale male culture good. Be like whiteman…make money, achieve.
    
    And yet looking at our planet and the mess it’s in with climate change, pollution, inequity and some dead pig eyed stale pale Russian male threatening to end the world because it doesn’t conform to his Victorian ideals of sovereignty.
    
    Well, lets just say I’d be much happier back in the stone age of my ancestors…FULLSTOP!!!
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:02am
    - cmm
      
      Sure, improve access for all who lack it, but not on the basis of race.
      
      Is a black child of a doctor really disadvantaged compared to a white person brought up in a trailer-park family? Bullshit. Race has nothing to do with it.
      
      I doubt you’d be happier back in the stone age past of your ancestors for many reasons, including:
      * Chances are you wouldn’t have made it past the age of 2. You’d have died of some shitty disease that primitive “medicine” couldn’t cure.
      * You’d have been on a perpetual quest for food – just one mouthful ahead of starvation. I bet you’ve never really been hungry in your life or even spoken to hungry people or seen them up close.
      * The third world isn’t quite as romantic as you think it is/was. I bet you’ve never actually seen people living in primitive conditions and spoken to them. I have.
      
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      October 4, 2022 11:31am
      - cmm
        
        And in case you think I am just having a go at your ancestors, I doubt I’d be happier in the times of my ancestors either.
        
        Until we were colonised by the Romans, us (or British stock) were living third world lives. The Roman (and susequent) colonisers brought all the things that put Britain onto the trajectory to become what it did.
        
        Even the best the West had to offer 70 years ago was not that flash. My uncle (well, the person who would have been my uncle) died at the age of 18 months or so of some shitty childhood illness that we’d treat easily today. Both my grandfathers died of relatively complications after surgery – common back then – that very seldom kill people today.
        
        I doubt you’d really want to live in the 1950s, let alone the pre-European era.
        
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        October 4, 2022 12:26pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Sure, improve access for all who lack it, but not on the basis of race.
        
        Is a black child of a doctor really disadvantaged compared to a white person brought up in a trailer-park family? Bullshit. Race has nothing to do with it.
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        I never mentioned race. I’m talking CULTURE.
        
        Honestly, it’s like chatting to Victorian era landed gentry round here. Ignorance and arrogance in equal measure.
        
        My point is, frail, stale, pale, male culture has failed the planet while most of you guys are continually shitting on Maori cos it’s what you’ve always done as though we Pasifikans are ushering in the apocalypse.
        
        Own your shit and sing me a new song…
        
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        October 4, 2022 1:48pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        I bet you’ve never actually seen people living in primitive conditions and spoken to them. I have…
        ___________________
        
        I grew up native in Samoa. More than seeing and speaking to ‘them’, I lived it, spoke it, loved it and was them.
        
        One day I’ll retire there and do the same again…
        
        Ia manuia ma soifua.
        
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        October 4, 2022 1:55pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      “There’s also the pale male cultural standard by which everyone is measured and that to succeed by that standard means becoming a pseudo pale male in dress, language, education etc…”
      And all the while…… you use the internet to whack away at your keyboard, most likely have a mobile, use a television, have electricity, can fly in an aeroplane, drive a car, speak to people from different countries, have clean drinking water and live way longer. Yeah Black, those standards have made you so much worse off, particularly education.
      
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      October 4, 2022 3:02pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Yeah Black, those standards have made you so much worse off, particularly education.
        _________________
        
        It’s educated me enough to know I don’t need or want most of that shit.
        
        But back to speaking on behalf of the planet and what stale pale male culture has done and is still doing to it…
        
        Papatuanuku says, ‘Thanks for nothing!’
        
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        October 4, 2022 3:48pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: That is a very interesting link.
  
  Another of the pieces of revisionist NZ history of supposed “racist oppression” of the Maori is the old chestnut of Maori “being beaten for speaking their own language”
  
  While that is indeed true, what is never mentioned is that this policy originated from Sir Apirana Ngata, who was Minister of “Native Affairs” from 1928 -34. As Ngata himself put it, to succeed in the “modern world” Maori needed to be fluent in English. To achieve that goal, he ordered that only English was to be spoken at school, with Maori spoken at home – much like our Chinese New Zealanders do today.
  
  Of course Maori kids were “beaten” for breaking the rules and speaking Maori at school – everyone was “beaten” for even minor infractions at school right into the mid 70’s. I myself had “sargeant stripes” on my arse at least once a month courtesy of the late Brother Ralph, the Master of Discipline.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I was regularly strapped at primary school because I was a chatterbox… I don’t recall that I ever did anything naughty apart from talk when the teacher was talking.
    
    Strangely enuf, I learnt a bit of my very basic Maori in the playground at Castlecliff school in the 1950s.
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:14am
    - Ghost
      
      I learned very early on that if you were the teachers pet you could get away with anything. Even the day I was caught swearing my head off my punishment was to pick up rubbish in the library.
      
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      October 4, 2022 11:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      p.s. .. I’ve written of this before on GD… How some of us would line up on a cold frosty morning before the start of class to (willingly) receive the strap on our frozen hands .
      (I don’t recall many of classmates had gloves/mittens).
      
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      October 4, 2022 11:21am
    - G152
      
      We learnt stick and poi games late 40s at primary school
      
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      October 4, 2022 12:42pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    In essence, the Govt succeeded in teaching English to Maori children. It’s the Maori parents who failed in teaching Maori to their children.
    
    Why then is the Government being berated for the failure of Maori to teach Maori to their children?
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:09pm
rjay

It seems that even Maori medicine might be compromised going forward.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/rongo-m-ori-practitioners-worried-about-bill-set-to-go-before-parliament-that-regulates-natural-health-products.html
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October 4, 2022 8:33am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Seems like a protest about the fact that the ‘medicines’ or therapies that are offered as traditional/cultrual will have to be able to prove they do what they claim.
  This is perfectly valid, around preventing quackery (tax payer funded at that), but here they make it out to be another injustice or repression.
  However, if the service is actually effective in any demonstrative sense they should welcome it as a vindication of Maori knowledge.
  Rather, another case of saying rules dont apply to the special people.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:01am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I hate to think what these Rongoa practitioners will use as their defence if one of the folks they are treating dies under their care.
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:23am
    - Nickc2
      
      The Taniwha did it eh bro!
      
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      October 4, 2022 11:29am
cmm

Apparently the risk of earthquakes in NZ has doubled.

Bullshit. The risk is exactly the same.

All that has changed is that new modelling predicts a greater risk. A prediction of risk is not risk. If a model predicts a vast difference to historical risk for something like earthquakes then it is quite likely wrong.

We can see that in the fact that:
* The polar ice is still there.
* 80,000 grannies didn’t die.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaky-isles-why-nzs-seismic-risk-has-just-increased/T3E7EOHJYAVMSKRVWWOENOP2MY/
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October 4, 2022 8:37am
- Bloody Dago
  
  CMM – There is now no way you can now vote your way outta this. That time is long gone. It’s gonna take a whole lot more than going to the polls from here on out.
  
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  October 4, 2022 8:46am
- Simon
  
  “Apparently the risk of earthquakes in NZ has doubled.”
  
  No its someone who wants his budget doubled.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:24am
- Paulus
  
  Its all about money that the Government can take from us – so make the risk more bad and they via EQC can charge us more.
  
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  October 4, 2022 1:13pm
General

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/we-own-science-un-official-admits-they-partner-google-control-search-results

Shameless
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October 4, 2022 8:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It might be time for NZers to wonder why our Dear PM keeps meeting up with executives from Google, & Microsoft & Amazon & Facebook & Blackrock.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/399124/jacinda-ardern-to-meet-facebook-microsoft-google-execs-in-us
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:02am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Further to Yesterday’s GD, Regarding Amazon.
    
    https://phys.org/news/2019-06-amazon-tracking.html
    https://www.straitstimes.com/tech/tech-news/every-move-you-make-amazon-is-watching-you
    “Group Think” runs strong in this outfit.
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:00am
- Master Mariner
  
  And to think Google’s Mantra is “Do no Harm”.
  
  This is known for a long time and especially here in NZ,
  Google search in each country comes up with different results.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:02am
Yvette

“Unkind speech” –
• Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has refused to call Kelvin Davis’ comments to ACT MP Karen Chhour racist, instead calling them “too personal”.

• “When you see it, you know it,” said Jacinda Ardern of hate speech

“… you will know it” – or perhaps not
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October 4, 2022 8:46am
- Harry Knuts
  
  would still like to hear her definition of hate speech… still waiting…
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:05am
  - Jim
    
    Agreed Harry, as any such definition is very likely to rebound at the door of most politicians within 24 hours.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:18am
  - Yvette
    
    Harry, by the time Jacinda defines “hate speech” or “unkind speech” it will, like the covid virus, have variated into something else.
    
    Follow the variations –
    Hate speech > Christchurch Call > stopping manifestos / live videos > control of social media > deplatforming BFD, kiwiblog, brash/bassett and other non-compliant media
    
    – or, follow defining “co-governance”
    Pipa Mahuta controls Maori Advisory Council, controls Taumata Arowai (Water Regulator) controls “3 Waters” Four Regional Entities, involving “co-governance” but now Jacinda and Willie don’t really need to define that because Pipa “governs” (not “co-governs) the whole deal from the top or head of the chain. QED – so there! Don’t wait – it is already happening.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:28am
  - Prince
    
    Apparently Hate Speech is something that, when the PM sees it, she knows it.
    So we will rely on her verdict.
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Thank goodness we have the Podium of Truth in the Beehive.
      
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      October 4, 2022 11:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    Hate speech is information contrary to the WEF like questioning mandatory vaccines or critical race theory or quoting the Bible. It is being defined by the internet gate keepers, see thread by General and MW immediately above.
    
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    October 4, 2022 12:07pm
Alex

Lyman gateway to Donetsk Ukraine has fallen day after Officially annexed by
Putin. He looked discombobulated in Speech if that is a word. His Colonel in Kherson Aleksey Kaaterinic was killed in pin point strike an hour before Speech. They Ukrainians must have saved this one up.
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October 4, 2022 8:52am
- JJ56
  
  Aleksei Katerinichev ?
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:21am
  - Alex
    
    Jj56 I got the spelling of the ex FSB Colonel wrong.
    The names are so long I wrote it on two lines missing the second Line out altogether.
    I see the Russians have got hold of the director of the largest nuclear plant in Europe which happens to be in Ukraine. Look out locals!
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:33pm
- Lance
  
  Looks like the Kherson area in the South is also about to be encircled by the Ukrainians.
  Oh dear, the war is not going well for old Vlad
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:27am
  - Nukuleka
    
    And I wonder how much closer Putin’s itching finger gets to the nuclear button with every American – oops sorry Ukranian- victory. I don’t think this is going to end well for anyone.
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:29am
    - Lance
      
      That is a door that once Putin goes through, there is no going back. And the consequences will be very very bad, the West will have to act, there is no choice.
      
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      October 4, 2022 12:45pm
  - Alex
    
    Lance I’ll give Putin about 3 weeks . If the Russians are short on uniforms what else are they short of.
    The leader of the reservists Gurulev said the top brass are to be blamed. Intelligence was poor and the Russians didn’t know what they were up against.
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:40pm
BeaB

We often hear what a universally admired superstar Jacinda Arden is overseas. No-one, however, seems to have read yesterday’s editorial in the Times. Her speech at the UN caused ‘alarm’.
While freedom of speech may be employed as one of the ‘weapons of war’ (her words), the Times editorial sounds a stern warning about political leaders who try to censor and otherwise place limits on what people can say.
Perhaps we need to be given these lessons from overseas when our own media are so supine and compliant, even complicit, when it comes to Arden and the worrying signs we are seeing from her and her government.
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October 4, 2022 8:56am
- nathie
  
  Some people say National/ACT should not be subsidising the MSM when next in govt.
  
  Perhaps, on the contrary they should, that is (and for balance) continue to fund TVNZ/RNZ (left wing) but also provide funding for right wing news organisations in order to provide balance.
  
  Which means funding for the likes of The Platform and overseas media reporting on NZ and setting up operations here (eg Sky News Australia > NZ, The Telegraph, etc).
  
  That way viewers/readers/listeners have a true choice and added bonus RW voices are not cancelled or censored by LW MSM.
  
  The left can’t whinge – they normally call it a “level playing field”!
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:28am
  - Don Beckett
    
    No, taxpayers money should not be used to subsidise private enterprise media – if they worth reading/listening to, people will pay. Otherwise, let them go broke.
    
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    October 4, 2022 12:30pm
    - nathie
      
      That’s already happening now Don, via NZ on Air dishing out millions to the left wing media (like the Spinoff) and ditto PJIF to Stuff and co.
      
      But no funding for the RW.
      
      So “doing nothing” as you propose is not the answer. Otherwise our future is Labour Govt’s endlessly funding the LW and endlessly staying in power ..
      
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      October 4, 2022 2:44pm
- Philview
  
  Jacinda talks about censoring free speech. She is condemned by global media and our own media ignore the story. Absolute evidence that she already censors what the media report in NZ.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:52am
  - Alex
    
    PHIL view,
    Hardly a dicky bird in newspapers here about Ardern’s gaffe speech at UN.
    She has revealed what she is really like to the whole world, but her friends here are reeling from shock and won’t print anything. Go on Andrea Vance have a go, I know she is your bestie so it will be hard for you.
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:46pm
    - Nickc2
      
      She copped a serve on Peta Credlin’s show on Sky TV Aust tonight for her speech. They are saying she won’t stand for PM next year as the UN is now her aim.
      
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      October 5, 2022 12:30am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Glenn Greenwald summed Ardern up beautifully:
  
  “This is the face of authoritarianism – even though it looks different than you were taught to expect. And it’s the mindset of tyrants everywhere.
  
  This is someone so inebriated by her sense of righteousness and superiority that she views dissent as an evil too dangerous to allow.“
  
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  October 4, 2022 1:37pm
Maggie Pie

ONLY 8 MORE SLEEPS 😛

TVNZ’s new reality show ‘Fuck-Boy Island’ due to premiere Wed 12 October.

They’ve already been able to generate heaps of pre publicity for the show, with it being revealed one of the contestants has had to be airbrushed out after it was discovered he had admitted to police he’d lured a drunk woman back to his flat in the hope of having sex.

Even F-BOY host, the beautiful Shavaughn Ruakere will ensure a lot of attention.
Shavs is best known as ‘The-First-Fishermans’ live-in partner back in the days before Cindy appeared on the scene.

You’ll be able to watch it on TVNZ+

And a wee taste of things to come….

https://twitter.com/fboyisland/status/1552778806196178944
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October 4, 2022 8:58am
- Sacha
  
  Oh my goodness. Things are not always what we assume them to be.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:06am
- Random T Person
  
  Just when you thought ‘reality TV’ had plumbed the depths of amorality, they manage to come up with ‘fuckboy island’. Unbelievable. What sort of cretin watches that??
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:08am
  - Ghost
    
    I’d suggest you go read about the show, I watched an interview with one of the USA cast the other day, changed my view of what the show is. It’s basically a show that puts all the power in the hands of the 3 woman contestants. They have to pick who is the nice guy and who is the fboy, if they pick the nice guy both Them and the nice guy win the money. If they pick the fboy, the boy decides to share or keep all the money for themself. With a twist they don’t know about that the woman then gets to take the money off the fboy and give it to a charity of her choice. It really isn’t what people think the show is, has a lot of positive reviews in the states from woman.
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Damn, it’s not about sex , then; it’s all about Money.
      
      – Well that will be a good teaching experience for young lads and lasses, I’m sure.
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:26am
      - Random T Person
        
        Touche!
        
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        October 4, 2022 9:43am
    - Random T Person
      
      Thanks, but no. You won’t catch me researching ‘fboy island’ under any circumstances, let alone watching such asinine trash.
      The Dahmer biopic, on the other hand….
      
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      October 4, 2022 9:43am
    - kowtow
      
      It’s all about the wimmin , yeah right.
      
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      October 4, 2022 10:12am
  - kowtow
    
    As legacy tv loses more and more viewers , one can expect their output to become increasingly desperate .
    
    Perhaps they should invent ‘F Wit Island’ .
    
    For people who enjoy their one brain cell being challenged .
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:16am
- Harry Knuts
  
  can’t wait to see our next gen of fame-whore narcissists appearing on this show.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:09am
- kowtow
  
  F boy could be the first man’s new nick name .
  
  No , not what you were thinking .
  
  F could just as easily be fish or first .
  
  Anyway one starts to wonder of that front page story about the guy being kicked orf the show was just some very clever marketing , afterall no one would give an f about such a shit show , without all the hype.
  
  No doubt it’ll be another f , flop.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:12am
  - oldfella
    
    kowtow: stuffed manages to get a laugh out of the show and its title. Slightly better than most of their cartoons.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/114832270/jeff-bell-cartoons
    
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    October 4, 2022 10:19am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That’s very clever.
      
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      October 4, 2022 11:27am
- Simon
  
  Fuck Boy island eh? Suspect the real outrage will be when there are no fat women on this island.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:29am
- krazykiwi
  
  Bread and circuses. So glad I never watch broadcast TV.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:07am
Captain Mainwaring

The list of failures from the failure government continues to grow. Just a few examples:

# Hospital waiting lists.
# Housing waiting lists.
# Freedom of speech.
# Gun crime.
# Ram raids.
# Child poverty.
# Maori child immunisation rates.
# Truancy.
# Disintegrating roads.
# Auckland light rail.
# Institutional racism.
# Soft-cock judges.
# Bike lane money wastage

This is but a precis. There are many other examples.
C’mon Newshub, where’s your next political poll? Government TV has done two of them since your last one.
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October 4, 2022 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  She hasn’t managed to lower the temperature yet .
  
  Though they won’t want to claim responsibility for the Antarctic blast currently on .
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:21am
  - Rusty
    
    kowtow -yes, but Jacinda and her govt did get rid of plastic bags in our supermarkets!
    
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    October 4, 2022 1:29pm
    - kevn
      
      @Rusty… Yes, so now we buy our plastic bags/bin liners at the supermarket instead. Not as robust as the shopping bags were.
      Awesome… //
      
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      October 4, 2022 4:12pm
- Yvette
  
  Captain, your list is mainly failures and non-delivery, and misses the whole area of what Jacinda has initiated – “co-governance”, kereru-English in the media, and heightened aspirations for Maori – but, in fact, a wedge between the ēlite chiefain class and those struggling at every lowest statistic level across the motu.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yvette,
    This is covered under ‘institutional racism’.
    And what on earth is ‘the motu’?
    
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    October 4, 2022 12:03pm
    - Yvette
      
      Captain Mainwaring – And what on earth is ‘the motu’?
      It was an attempt at sarcasm – sorry
      
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      October 4, 2022 4:59pm
WaynelSexton

Another blow to the safe and effective Vax narrative.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11274535/Svante-Paabo-wins-2022-Nobel-Prize-Medicine.html
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October 4, 2022 9:12am
- Simon
  
  As someone on the interweb said you know that the mRNA technology is shit house because the Chinese havent stolen it.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:31am
- rangitoto
  
  Svante has a good sense of humour. I saw one of his lectures about Neanderthals. He said he often gets calls from women claiming that their husband is a Neanderthal.
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:26pm
Surely Knott

Gen Zero is advertising “one stop shops” where you can enrol and vote in the election at the same time.

These one stop shops don’t seem to be listed on the council website or anywhere else. Just Gen Zero that I can find.

The electoral commission commented on Gen Zero’s facebook page ad to remind everyone that you don’t need any id. to enrol and vote.

“Electoral Commission NZ
Kia ora – just to clarify, no ID is required to enrol to vote! You can use your NZ passport or driver licence to enrol online at https://vote.nz/enrol, but you won’t need ID to enrol at a One Stop Shop event.”

The one stop shops are at a Marae, the Auckland Mission, 2 university campuses and a deaf club.

The Auckland Uni Students association is also holding a political week with food and candidates and a “one stop shop”

“he week will be filled with LOADS of free food, opportunities to vote on campus, pub quizzes and events to help you learn more about the local body elections and why they matter! 🗳🍭

🗳 Tuesday: AUSA x UN Youth Auckland Speed Dating with Candidates
🗳 Wednesday: AUSA x PPC: Local Elections and Youth Apathy Panel
🗳 Thursday: AUSA x Auckland Council One-Stop-Shop
🗳 Friday: AUSA x Generation Zero Politics Week Pub Quiz

Shouldn’t the one stop shop details be public and on the Council website. Why is it only Gen Zero advertising them and who decided the locations? Isn’t food treating? Shouldn’t there be ID to vote. How do they stop people voting twice or three times when they have papers at home as well? How do they know how old the person is or if they’re a resident? They don’t.
https://www.facebook.com/GenZeroNZ/
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October 4, 2022 9:31am
- Inandout
  
  SK, the taxpayer pays and pays and pays. There must be so much Maori money left over from the covid madness that hasn’t been accounted for.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:10am
- Debsta
  
  WTF?
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:19am
Rusty

Does anyone else notice the similar uniforms and colours the Russian and Ukraine armies wear?

Unless you have a sharp eye for detail when watching the news coverage, you wouldn’t actually know who’s who sometimes.

It seems to be a trend in modern warfare for opposing armies to look the same.
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October 4, 2022 9:37am
- Random T Person
  
  Hey there’s only so much Hugo Boss can do with camo, you know.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:44am
- kowtow
  
  Uniforms of the world prolly all come from the same factory in China .
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:09am
- oldfella
  
  I think the Ukrainians troops wrap blue tape around their arms and legs to make it easier to identify their own soldiers.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes, the away team is supposed to wear a different strip. Team Putin must have missed the memo.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:09am
- rangitoto
  
  I read that the Russian army found that 1.5 million of their uniforms are missing. Most likely the funds were used to buy a nice yacht.
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:39pm
Maggie Pie

“This carving was vandalised – not by Pakeha bogans – it’s been vandalised by feral, glue sniffing Maoris”

– Shane Jones

https://1news.co.nz/2022/10/03/kaitaias-only-carved-pouwhenua-left-damaged-by-vandals/
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October 4, 2022 9:39am
- Random T Person
  
  But aren’t Maori one harmonious hegemonic whole? What’s this internecine glue sniffing nonsense all about?
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Isopropyl is much better than glue.
    
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    October 4, 2022 11:58am
    - Random T Person
      
      Any port in a storm my man!
      
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      October 4, 2022 2:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I use isopropyl for cleaning surfaces before spray painting, and some spraygun cleaning. Also good for cleaning printer heads (it is an ink cleaner)
        Nice sweet smell unlike MEK. Iso cannot be purchased at hardware stores, Bunnings etc. The Company buys it in 20L drums
        
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        October 4, 2022 2:31pm
  - MCōs
    
    Having read in the newspapers everyday about the Russia/Ukraine War I would suggest that neighbours don’t always have a good relationship with each other regardless of how close you might think they should.
    That which is occurred up north is small beer.
    
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    October 4, 2022 5:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ngapuhi doesn’t seem a very united tribe.
  
  Local hapū recently protested against the erection of the pillar, claiming it was staking another tribes mana to the land.
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/10/03/kaitaias-only-carved-pouwhenua-left-damaged-by-vandals/
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:48am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Reading the article it seems it was the beginning of some inter-tribal conflict. Co-governance will be fun.
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:50am
- Harry Knuts
  
  “can’t bear the weight of internal Māori feuding, this is vandalism carried out by local Māori against their own and the police need to move very effectively and robustly”
  Makes you wonder how if the likes of 3waters and Maori health system goes ahead how it will be divvied up between the tribes/iwi as i can’t see 1 iwi leading all the rest?? Begs the question with the likes of the Maori Caucus creating these new wealth empires how the split is going to happen equally. I suspect it won’t and will lead to more fighting between the iwi’s. Mind you – these infighting has gone on for decades/hundreds of years and still continues. Tribes are territorial by nature.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:19am
- Harry Knuts
  
  why would they want the local police involved? Don’t they prefer their own maori court justice?
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:21am
General

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItOi9PIDbAo

https://www.theyliedpeopledied.com/
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October 4, 2022 10:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda will ban that book in NZ. Free speech = bad.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:57am
kevn

@Maggy… Imagine the tribal squabbles pending over 3 waters. Because it is a tribal driven process.
Water users? pfft
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October 4, 2022 10:32am
Gravelroad

What is it about “celebrities” here who feel they are entitled to break election rules and think are above the law?
Lorde has published a photo of her Auckland mayoralty voting paper and $tuff has seen fit to do likewise prominently on its front page.
This is just trying to influence an election and is against the law.
Will there be consequences? No.
I don’t care for whom Lorde votes, but plenty of her followers will no doubt be impressed.
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October 4, 2022 10:35am
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, she may invite Christians.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:51am
- Harry Knuts
  
  I suppose anyone that calls themselves Lorde has grandiose ideas about themselves in the first place.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Lorde” “Celebrity”? My left tit.
  Really? Serious? She is no more a celebrity than I am.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:52am
  - Gravelroad
    
    How many instagram followers have you got Steve?
    Lorde says she has 9.5 million.
    The original story on $tuff has been amended and the photo of the ballot paper with the ticked candidate has been deleted.
    Just as well Lorde doesn’t live here. We have STV so ticking is an invalid vote.
    
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    October 4, 2022 12:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I have none, zero, and I am more than happy with that. 9.5 million, and she knows all of them right?
      
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      October 4, 2022 2:33pm
      - RichardX
        
        Are you trying to redefine celebrity so they have to know all their followers?
        You implied Lorde was not a celebrity yet when Gravelroad provides a metric demonstrating the absurdity of your claim you try to shift the goalposts.
        
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        October 4, 2022 7:16pm
- Ehlana
  
  Ignorance all round probably.
  
  I heard a man in a polling booth complaining about the presence of scrutineers once, claiming it was an attempt to influence his vote. It’s actually very sad that someone has so little understanding of the checks and balances built in to our electoral system.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:55am
- leoj
  
  If she declared that she was voting for Brown, there would be consequences.
  
  It’s just how thing work in the woke world.
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:17pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Good call!
    
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    October 4, 2022 12:20pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I’m more worried about her looking like the revamped Michael Jackson … had to have wee lie down
  
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  October 4, 2022 4:13pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard my partner telling a client he doesn’t know whether it’s a coincidence or an omen? But the Chairman of Credit Suisse is a guy named…. Lehmann.
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October 4, 2022 10:42am
- Nickc2
  
  I assume he’s referring to Lehmann Bros Circus. //
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:22pm
  - mogg
    
    The Dow losing 1500 points in one day was a bit more than a circus.
    
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    October 4, 2022 3:39pm
- MCōs
  
  Darren Lehmann
  
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  October 4, 2022 5:27pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Wasn’t he a middle order batsman for South Australia?
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:21pm
Jack5

Liz Truss has backed down.

The U.K. government backtracked on a key part of its broad tax-cut plan after the backlash from financial markets followed by Conservative Party rebellion.

Britain’s Chancellor of the Exchequer (Finance Minister) Kwasi Kwarteng shelved a cut in the top rate of income tax from 45 per cent to 40 per cent, more than a week after the plan forced an emergency intervention by the Bank of England to prevent a financial crisis.

The Wall Street Journal reported that Truss buckled under the pressure of international investors and Conservative MPs shocked by polls showing they faced a near wipe-out at the next general election.

The pound rallied to $US $1.13 — more than before the tax plans were unveiled.
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October 4, 2022 10:52am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The fix is in
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:21pm
Yabster

share this- dangerous Cindy is an understatement…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_57hGaTsEQ&list=RDCMUC0vn8ISa4LKMunLbzaXLnOQ&start_radio=1
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October 4, 2022 10:56am
- kevn
  
  @Yabster… Second day tail end charlie speaker to a very very small UN crowd. You wouldn’t think so reading NZ msm.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Neil Oliver wants to call Jaspinda much more than dangerous, but it seems he too is censored.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:49am
- Observer of Life
  
  Neil Oliver’s final comment about Ardern “she’s sinister”. That sums her up.
  
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  October 4, 2022 10:03pm
Takere

I’ve been a bit quiet lately about Paul Majurey at Auckland Councils, eke Panuku but, “BOOM!”

The ‘heavy hitters’ have decided to ‘out’, and go after Majurey! – Tim Hunter
https://www.nbr.co.nz/business/council-calls-in-pwc-to-review-eke-panuku-deals/

Ngai Tahu, NWO, Styassni, PwC and I’m guessing Tainui isn’t too far away!! – Good on Todd Niall!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130059974/auckland-council-reviews-conflicts-of-interest-claim-at-property-arm-eke-panuku

Good fuckn job!
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October 4, 2022 10:56am
- alex Masterley
  
  And Paul didnt think people would notice.
  
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  October 4, 2022 2:34pm
oldfella

What could possible go wrong? //
Some parents are championing ‘gender-creative’ parenting styles, which are designed to let children pick their own identities later in life.
Berlin-based queer gender-neutral parenting author, blogger and lecturer Ravna Marin Nathanael Siever says choosing not to label a young child as a boy or girl started to gain traction in the 1980s, mostly in queer communities. This coincided with what they describe as “the second wave of feminism”, with women rebelling against being typecast as caregivers in the home or in certain jobs.
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220929-the-parents-raising-their-children-without-gender
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October 4, 2022 11:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  These people are certifiable
  
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  October 4, 2022 9:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Champion woodchopper with some ‘get up and go’
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/i-have-the-drive-world-champion-woodchopper-who-battled-crippling-osteoarthritis-eyes-record-breaking-title/ar-AA12xCKX?
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October 4, 2022 11:25am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Potholes.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/what-are-your-rights-if-you-hit-a-pothole-expert-says-waka-kotahi-liable-for-compensation/ar-AA12yDZc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fe03b042f00e4f58a5f666a9ebf9e645
Waka Kotahi need to be woken up. Spending $4.7M on TV ads but can’t fix potholes. Who are those responsible for actioning this? Name them! Joe Taxpayer needs to see why the roads are shit.
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October 4, 2022 11:36am
- Nickc2
  
  Agree Steve. When all else fails, why not revert to naming and shaming? I’ll start the ball rolling.
  The responsible Minister in this Govt is Michael Wood. IMO, he’s not a Transport Minister’s arse hole.
  If he had any pride in his position, he’d be asking questions of local councils where it’s their responsibility and holding them to account. Where it’s Roads and Transport’s responsibility, he should be kicking arse and/or replacing incompetent personnel.
  Michae Wood, if you have aspirations of being re-elected next year, get your shiny arse out of your office chair and go kick some arse. If you don’t you’re manufacturing ammunition for the Opposition Parties and you will be toast at the next election along with any favourable reputation you imagine you may have.
  
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  October 4, 2022 11:59am
  - MCōs
    
    If it’s a local government issue right now’s your chance to vote in people you think will make a difference.
    Either that or take it up with your local MP, but your best chance for action in the first instance is to notify the council of the problem, as I did.
    
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    October 4, 2022 12:40pm
    - Paulus
      
      In Tauranga no Local Government votes all – 100% to Mahuta and for the next three years.
      
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      October 4, 2022 1:23pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some of us don’t like being on hold for an hour.
      Email? Waste of time. Need a face to face.
      
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      October 4, 2022 2:55pm
      - MCōs
        
        You’re in the same jurisdiction as me.
        I notified Auckland Council last month via their web site there was a pothole in the road right outside my house, not holding out much hope.
        It was repaired within a week.
        
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        October 4, 2022 3:36pm
      - graham
        
        Define “repaired”. I reported a 20 metre long crack in a road not that long ago – it was “repaired” quite promptly; IE a load of gunk (tarmac? bitumen?) was poured into it.
        
        Unsurprisingly, the crack opened up again inside a month.
        
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        October 4, 2022 3:47pm
      - MCōs
        
        It was repaired; not ‘what’s joking known as repaired’ or ‘temporarily patched up’.
        
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        October 4, 2022 5:11pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Michael Wood is a nobody masquerading as a smart arse. His hairstyle tells you all you need to know about the useless prick.
    Oh, and he’s a former unionist.
    
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    October 4, 2022 1:57pm
    - MCōs
      
      Can’t all have hair like your hero
      https://youtu.be/7IEzf7PBcnk
      
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      October 4, 2022 5:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Waka Kotahi have absorbed a lot of people who would never get a job in the private sector. All of these Managers, assistant Managers, middle Managers would be a start. Not many on the ground would be a problem – they would be waiting to be told the job.
    Look around at the roads. 5 trucks. A little 2 ton digger digging a hole. 6 guys watching, road cones everywhere. There are road cone managers, road cone adjusters, and road cone guards. Then there are others who sit in the trucks so nobody can steal them.
    Fuck! Rant over.
    
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    October 4, 2022 2:53pm
- Taieri
  
  Spending $4.7M on TV ads but can’t fix potholes.
  ———–
  
  Why “fix” potholes?
  An excellent and innovative method of dealing with potholes has been used on the SH87. There’re a number of orange cones strategically placed around the affected areas and complemented by 5okm/h speed restriction sign. “Temporary” of course, although the “temporary” should not be taken literally in this case.
  Highly recommended – cheap, instant, portable and doesn’t require much in the way of person-power.
  
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  October 4, 2022 1:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good idea Mac, but so many potholes NZ would run out of cones. Person power? See my 2.53 comment.
    
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    October 4, 2022 2:58pm
Stellaboxer

Funny how the so called media here in NZ are not reporting on the fall out from the ghouls speech at the UN. Certainly not so silent overseas. How do you feel living in a country where you have to get your news from foreign sources because the domestic outlets are so corrupted and government controlled.? I used to think it was only states like former east block and banana republic dictatorships where you had to do that. Wont be long until we’re listening to the radio up in the attic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_57hGaTsEQ
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October 4, 2022 11:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Key words – “banana republic”
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:04pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Without the bananas
    
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    October 4, 2022 9:27pm
Maggie Pie

Just been having a chat with my partner’s mum.
She was saying she’d had difficulty sleeping and spent last night listening to 1ZB talkback. Reckoned if the host and the majority of his callers were any indication, most people in this country are suffering from some sort of mental health issues.

LOL!!
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October 4, 2022 12:05pm
- leoj
  
  What’s the bet that the late Bruce Russell’s audience is way down compared to when he was on.
  
  The replacement is another woke numpty.
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:20pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Maggie I recently had dealings with a journalist and her camera man. She was refreshingly honest and told me that she had put certain stories up for publication only to have them buried by the news editor . Whilst we casually discussed politics and in particular the governments Covid response ( which the buried story was all about) the camera man exclaimed that Jacinda had saved 60 thousand lives, and he wasn’t fucking joking he really meant it. The journalist pointed out that it was actually 80 thousand that had originally been modelled as dying and he said ” ok 80 thousand I think we all need to remember that” It was at this point that we exchanged rather melancholy looks and changed the subject.
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:35pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Neither the camera man nor the modeller are any good at multiplication.
    
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    October 4, 2022 1:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      None of the left are…..
      
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      October 4, 2022 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

How to do an interview while being carried away by the police…..

https://twitter.com/cameraZoe/status/1576831006375809024

(for fear of upsetting the flakes i wont mention her hair 😀 )
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October 4, 2022 12:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Lucky lady, doesn’t have to walk at all.
  
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  October 4, 2022 12:49pm
Ghost

Sean Plunket and Brendan O’Neill on the PM’s war against free speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwBrT6crwJg
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October 4, 2022 1:13pm
All_on_Red

Trigger warning for Batman.
TV Star Greg Gutfield lampoons Battys’ Bestie Joy Behar from The View.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Jx31F0nCU
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October 4, 2022 1:16pm
- Inandout
  
  AoR, love that show and especially Tyrus for his sensible take on the topic of the day.
  
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  October 4, 2022 6:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

When Trump came to power in 2016 he should have fired about 3000 people. He is not a Politician and that pisses a lot of people off. A former Federal Agent explains why. Trump will get another chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtvDrOPWK-Q
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October 4, 2022 1:57pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Trump says; DeSantis does.
  
  Ronny will drain the swamp.
  
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  October 4, 2022 2:43pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Foreign Minister Mahuta makes homophobic ‘slip-of-the-tongue’ 😛

https://twitter.com/Jasonwalls92/status/1577073983887138816
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October 4, 2022 2:13pm
- Ghost
  
  There is a rainbow room in parliament, sweet, I love rainbows range of lollies, their pineapple chunks are the best. https://rainbowconfectionery.co.nz/pineapple-chunks-1kg.html
  
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  October 4, 2022 2:20pm
- Frank the tank
  
  One banana republic to another…….
  
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  October 4, 2022 2:40pm
- Ruawai
  
  Have they got a heterosexual room? Or is the the Ngati Whatua room at Auckland Council.
  
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  October 4, 2022 2:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Draining the swamp will take more than two. It is yuge, yuger than Trump realised.
What happened last time was Trump picked off a scab. He exposed a huge big pusy festering sore, and it is still there: from 2016,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58
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October 4, 2022 3:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This was a reply to Frank at 2.43.
  I messed up somehow.
  
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  October 4, 2022 3:09pm
Maggie Pie

Never mind with ‘bollards’…..

What they really need is a few Security Guards like this!!

https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1576862536053366784

Give that man a raise 😀
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October 4, 2022 3:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From stopcogovernance.kiwi
Yeah Ghost, it is that Julian Batchelor again.
The Danger Of The Maorification Of New Zealand, by Lindsay Mitchell.
Stoush between collectivist and individualist Maori.
https://stopcogovernance.site/blog/f/the-danger-of-the-maorification-of-new-zealand
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October 4, 2022 3:43pm
Ghost

Personally I’d prefer that central government do not get involved in local government elections

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130067176/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-endorses-efeso-collins-for-auckland-mayoralty

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has thrown her weight behind Auckland mayoral candidate Efeso Collins as a tightly contested race comes to a close.

Speaking at a press conference on Tuesday afternoon, Ardern endorsed Collins, saying he was a candidate who could “bring together Auckland”.
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October 4, 2022 4:10pm
- mandk
  
  Efeso Collins, Paul Eagle, Campbell Barry – all Labour Party stooges.
  
  I hope they all fail miserably.
  
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  October 4, 2022 4:26pm
Ghost

Thank goodness, I was begging to worry there wouldn’t be a new strike this week. Another week, another strike

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/130065493/university-staff-to-stage-halfday-strike-as-pay-negotiations-stall

About 7000 staff across the country’s eight universities will walk off the job from midday on Thursday.

Union members are striking over pay, which they say have not kept up with inflation or revenue increases across the sector. The union is proposing an 8% rise.
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October 4, 2022 4:37pm
kevn

@Ghost… May that be the kiss of death for Efeso Collins chances.
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October 4, 2022 4:41pm
Surely Knott

Roy Morgan results being talked about. Nats up Labour down.
I’m no expert but won’t a lot depend on what happens in Northland.
Last election Willow Jean Prime only won it on the special votes and by the smallest margin. 169.
Matt King was next and previously held the seat and so did Winston Peters.
Could Matt King have a real chance of winning Northland? He’s won it before. And even if he only brings in 2 or 3 percent wouldn’t that be a win and potentially secure the whole thing. Or will the Nats run someone else.
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October 4, 2022 4:45pm
- rockape
  
  Has even got a registered party yet?
  
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  October 4, 2022 4:50pm
  - mandk
    
    He has.
    
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    October 4, 2022 4:59pm
    - rockape
      
      Can’t see him on the register but he does appear as an unregistered party, maybe he needs to update.
      
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      October 4, 2022 5:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        Last I heard his party is not registered
        
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        October 4, 2022 6:07pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        I think it’s in progress. Due to register early 2023. Doing a road show at the moment with good turnout.
        
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        October 4, 2022 6:24pm
      - mandk
        
        Apologies, I’m wrong.
        I heard him announce some time ago that he was going to present his application for registration the following day, but I guess the process takes some time.
        
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        October 4, 2022 6:49pm
- rockape
  
  Of course National will run candidates in all electorates , they always do.
  
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  October 4, 2022 4:52pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Not Maori seats. Maybe they should start putting some good candidates up
    
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    October 4, 2022 5:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/christopher-luxon-says-national-will-stand-candidates-on-maori-electorate-seats.html
      
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      October 4, 2022 5:05pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  They must be due soon
  
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  October 4, 2022 4:58pm
- mandk
  
  When the Democracy NZ roadshow came to Wellington, I asked him if there was any possibility that his party would enter into coalition with Labour, and his response was emphatically, No.
  
  If the Nats had any sense, they wouldn’t push too hard for the electorate vote in Northland. This could give them, in effect, 3-5 extra votes in parliament.
  
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  October 4, 2022 5:12pm
rockape

Labours latest poll number has a 2 in front of it. Now remind me of what it was when Little got the boot?
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October 4, 2022 4:45pm
- rockape
  
  Oh yes his last RM poll had him on 30.5%
  
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  October 4, 2022 4:49pm
- jon
  
  Love that *2* ie 29% support for Labour. terminal now!
  
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  October 4, 2022 5:02pm
  - trout
    
    Summary off Roy Morgan website:
    
    Today’s Roy Morgan New Zealand Poll shows a potential National/Act NZ coalition has increased its lead over the governing Labour/Greens coalition in September to the largest margin for four months since May 2022.
    
    The gap between the two sides of politics has increased by 4.5% points in September with a potential National/Act NZ coalition up 2.5% points to 48.5% and they are now 6.5% points ahead of the governing Labour/Greens coalition on 42%, down 2% points.
    
    In September support for National was up 0.5% points to 36% while support for fellow right-leaning party Act NZ increased by 2% points to 12.5%. Support for the Maori Party dropped in September, down 1.5% points to 3.5%.
    
    There was a significant drop in support for Labour, down 5.5% points to 29.5%, to its lowest level of support since Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern came to power nearly five years ago in October 2017. Support for governing partners the Greens up 2.5% points to 12.5%.
    
    (Mod – just adding a link https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/the-potential-national-act-nz-48-5-coalition-has-stretched-its-lead-over-labour-greens-42-to-the-largest-since-may-2022)
    
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    October 4, 2022 6:24pm
jon

Roy Morgan poll out on the same day that Cindy is publicly supporting Collins for Mayor in Auckland and Eagle for Mayor in Wellington. Perhaps given the latest dismal poll for Labour its a party they would rather not to be seen to be too close to!
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October 4, 2022 5:32pm
- Prince
  
  Importantly, support for National among women exceeds support for Labour. This is a critical change – well done Chris Luxon and team.
  https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/the-potential-national-act-nz-48-5-coalition-has-stretched-its-lead-over-labour-greens-42-to-the-largest-since-may-2022
  
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  October 4, 2022 7:15pm
Warren

You have to ask yourself why this result only happens under the Labour Government and it happen more often than not.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/analysis-outrage-over-jayden-meyer-s-home-detention-highlights-the-need-for-victims-voices-in-new-zealand-s-sentencing-process.html
Jayden Meyer did the crime of rape and not once but more than enough, so let him do the time that is warranted for his selfish belief that it was his right.
Nobody was to see our youth in jail but if you break the law and show no regard for it you deserve to do the time for your selfish crime.
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October 4, 2022 5:47pm
- Ghost
  
  Rubbish, junk sentences happen under everything government. Although he got a wet bus ticket for a punishment at least he was charged, found guilty and given a sentence, unlike the roast busters who only two years ago were charged with a crime.
  
  And with this kid the crown has appealed his sentence.
  
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  October 4, 2022 5:53pm
  - Ghost
    
    Here are a few for you
    
    An elderly paedophile sexually violating children in his weekend home in Masterton has been named and sentenced to home detention.
    
    Geoffrey Cyril Trethewey, 89, was convicted of more than 40 counts of historic sexual offending against children as young as seven, in Wellington District Court last week.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paedophile-gets-home-detention/67QJLKG2HR2VH2AAENB2MBZF74/
    
    The Sensible Sentencing Trust has slammed the non-custodial sentence imposed by Justice Rebecca Ellis in the Auckland High Court today handed down to an 18 year old woman who has name is suppression for her part in the sexual abuse of a 10 year old girl.
    
    https://sst.org.nz/child-sex-abusers-farce-sentence-must-be-appealed-by-the-crown/
    
    A former professional at an Auckland firm, who admitted possessing and exporting objectionable images of children, is still fighting to keep his name secret.
    
    The man was sentenced to 10 months’ home detention in the Auckland District Court last week, where a temporary name suppression order was lifted by Judge Eddie Paul.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/convicted-mans-fight-for-suppression-continues/ZZMD5WVGRNXDCMNNRTTPQ25TRU/?c_id=1&objectid=11284787
    
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    October 4, 2022 8:35pm
Warren

So Jacinda Ardern and Labour finally officially back Collins as there man for the Auckland Mayorall campaign, then Lord plays his number 1 campaigner and encourages the public to do the same even though it is blatantly breaking electoral law.
I would be very surprised if our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern didn’t know that that would happen.
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October 4, 2022 7:04pm
- graham
  
  Saw on the news that Jacinda Ardern is throwing her support behind Efeso Collins. How is this in any way appropriate?
  
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  October 4, 2022 7:18pm
- Prince
  
  Very unwise for Ardern to step in here.
  If Collins loses, Ardern is tainted with another failure, and faces difficulty dealing with Brown. If Collins wins, she is guilty of interfering in local elections and Collins is just a puppet.
  
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  October 4, 2022 7:19pm
Tauhei Notts

Morgan poll has Labour in the twenties.
Missus tells me to get me some top quality bubbly to celebrate.
If these polls keep going this way I will be broke before the next election.
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October 4, 2022 7:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Spend your money now… It’s not going to be worth much next year.
  
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  October 4, 2022 7:28pm
Master Mariner

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/476506/immigration-nz-enlists-cyber-mercenaries-banned-from-facebook-to-covertly-collect-data
So its been going on. No surprises at least in my mind.
Open and transparent. Yeah right.//
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