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Yvette

Pike River Mine
Do Police inquiries need to pin-point –

1 – a source of ignition
If investigations show the first explosion did originate from the main fan or its parts – as some Families have been convinced to believe – and someone is prosecuted, the obvious defence would be that a brass plate seal (now perhaps still sitting on a workshop shelf, if the workshop still exists?) was left-out of the fan’s final assembly, but that, or any other factor that caused static or sparking, theoretically wasn’t supposed to be a problem, because the fan was in a “Non-Restricted” area of the mine, where gas levels were supposed to be negligible.

2 – the source of the gas which ignited
As well as pin-pointing the ignition source, surely it is necessary to explain why a massive amount of methane (1,000 to 2,000 cubic metres of methane – Royal Commission estimated), mixed with oxygen was present in an area where such combination should not exist: the “Non-Restricted” area of the mine.

3 – How will new drill-holes and scans detect the failure of any gas-triggered fan shut-off mechanism –
if such a mechanism is not blasted westward, way to hell into the mine-workings

63. The main fan was designed to shut down in the event of a methane concentration in excess of 0.25% near the fan motor or when temperature or vibration cut-off points were reached, at which point the back-up surface fan was designed to start automatically.
– page 93, Vol 2, Pike River Commission Report
Although the main ventilation fan motor was located in the “Non-Restricted” area of the mine, where gas levels were supposed to be negligible, why did it not shut down if any methane concentration exceeded the set limit?

If a collapse in the goaf area (already mined void) did force a massive amount of methane into the ventilation system to be ignited perhaps when it reached the main fan and that is determined as the ignition point, is the actual fault for the disaster the design of the goaf, without sufficient support to prevent collapses, and should that omission be the target of any criminal prosecution, or does fault lie with the possible fan ignition origin, and it locator, designer, or installer (removing the brass seal plate, or checking the gas automatic trip) or whoever supposedly approved the whole installation, be charged?

The Royal Commission report does point out that there was no ventilation manager. So does responsibility rest with ventilation system designers (particularly as it seems to be the only mine main fan installed underground, in the world) or installers since it was apparently installed incomplete, or those who offered the $13,000 bonus – so miners would ignore their own responsibility as part of the safety reporting chain, and overlook risks which they were so well aware of as existing – or the mine manager because he failed to appoint staff beneath himself to be blamed?

Previous intended drilling in location of the main fan was abandoned because a drilling rig could not be positioned correctly on the surface above. Has that changed?

And will the nitrogen equipment be re-imported from Australia and all the hose-lines be reinstalled “on the hill” to render the interior of the mine inert, so that drilling by re-hired experts on behalf of the Police to determine the cause of the first explosion, doesn’t cause a fifth explosion?
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October 2, 2022 8:06am
- RoboRob
  
  I don’t understand the whole Pike river investigation ‘thing’.
  
  Labour and NZF cynically used it 5 yrs ago as some sort of election carrot. The promise was a full investigation, getting into the mine and convicting those involved. There was a lot of hinting that the National Party and John Key we colluding with the culprits and that this would be uncovered during the investigation.
  
  Apparently, 5 yrs ago, pike river was a vote catcher.
  
  Now after 5yrs of investigation ends, and 80+ million down the toilet, police miraculously want to restart the process. Why? What has changed? Why wasn’t this stuff done already? Is this just a vote catcher again?
  
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  October 2, 2022 10:51am
  - G152
    
    Leave Pike River sealed up.
    
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    October 2, 2022 12:34pm
  - C-Town
    
    Yes, it seems like a lot of time and money and effort spent to prosecute whoever was responsible for safety, for incompetence.
    
    But maybe lessons can be learned.
    
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    October 2, 2022 2:51pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The main lesson to be learned is DON’t ignore a female who knows what she is talking about.
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/geologist-warned-husband-over-pike-river-mine
      
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      October 2, 2022 3:12pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        And remember, Winston & Little were going to walk into the mine……..(crickets)
        
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        October 2, 2022 5:18pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why wasn’t Pike River open cast in the first place?
  
  Greenies, you have blood on your hands.
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:29pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The argument will be there is always a small percentage of deaths in any enterprise and the greater cause of “saving the planet” justifies this.
    
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    October 2, 2022 2:59pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Is it just me, or did the reopening of the Pike River investigation come out of the blue? I thought that it was done & dusted.
  
  What new information has come to light such that restarting the investigation seems like a good idea?
  
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  October 2, 2022 5:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well, the Pike River Recovery Agency closed up shop on 1 July 2022.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_River_Recovery_Agency
    
    Goodness only knows what to make of it all.
    
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    October 2, 2022 5:39pm
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/police-to-drill-again-at-pike-river-mine
    
    The decision to proceed with the new holes was reached after the police investigators met with experts in August to to review in detail all of the information retrieved to date.
    
    “They were able to tell us a huge amount about what had gone on there, but there were parts of it they said ‘we can’t be sure, we are assuming it could have gone this way or it could have done this’,” said Read. The only way to fill those remaining evidential gaps was through the further boreholes, each of which has been justified by the experts in terms of the information needed to reach a firm conclusion as to what led to the first explosion.
    
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    October 2, 2022 5:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why would our Dear PM be directly dealing with Amazon Web Services?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/475819/amazon-web-services-had-direct-contact-with-jacinda-ardern-oia-shows
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October 2, 2022 8:11am
- Master Mariner
  
  I am picking free or Low cost “Green Power” as one priority and Data sharing so as too build up information on individuals.
  So in effect they get the “Free Green Hydro” power and we use use Indonesian Coal.
  How does this work ?
  Who else is uncomfortable with this ?
  https://www.weforum.org/whitepapers/reimagining-regulation-for-the-age-of-ai-new-zealand-pilot-project
  
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  October 2, 2022 8:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    I’m sure AWS is here for our Cheap electricity.
    
    But specifically why does AWS communicate directly with Ardern?
    
    It seems very odd, especially since Ardern’s partner
    Clarke Gayford has undertaken Ad work for Amazon.
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/damien-venuto-should-clarke-gayford-accept-money-from-amazon/
    
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    October 2, 2022 8:36am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Nepotism runs strong in this outfit.
      4 legs good two legs better sort of thing.
      So who is subsidising all these ” Green” Data centres and where is all this power going to come from ?
      https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/04/datacenters_in_ireland_energy_draw/
      “Datacenters in Ireland draw more power than all rural homes put together.”
      
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      October 2, 2022 8:59am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Hymm ?
      https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/content/?keywords=aws%20%20jacinda&sid=1ST&update=urn%3Ali%3Afs_updateV2%3A(urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6936424459192913920%2CBLENDED_SEARCH_FEED%2CEMPTY%2CDEFAULT%2Cfalse)
      
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      October 2, 2022 9:02am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        Unless you are on Linkedin you cannot access it
        
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        October 2, 2022 9:42am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Sorry mate, Just a link PM galivanting around US Data tech centres. Nothing more or less.
        What was discussed is anyone’s guess ? A shitty job for PM partner would be low priority Id guess.
        
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        October 2, 2022 10:38am
    - pdm
      
      `But specifically why does AWS communicate directly with Ardern?’
      
      I see David Clark is the only other Minister mentioned. Amazon are smart so they would know it is a waste of their time trying to deal with that Minister.
      
      Not that Ardern would be any better – then again if there is more work for The Fisherman – why not.
      
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      October 2, 2022 9:31am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Not exactly, Clarke is Minister of “Digital Communication”.
        What could go wrong but more importantly the question should be, ” What are we not being told”?
        
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        October 2, 2022 10:09am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      How long will it be before Clarke teams up with MahutaCorp, to the benefit of both?
      
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      October 2, 2022 10:21am
- kowtow
  
  Today’s Emmerson cartoon , under a heading ” the art of wearable politics” shows Ardern carrying the weight of the world , which is a bomb juxtaposed with Luxon carrying Uffindel.
  
  There you have it . Some people see her as a world saviour . And at the same time having a go at the Opposition.
  
  You can’t make this shit up.
  
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  October 2, 2022 8:24am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    The media will chase Uffindel in the nastiest, most relentless way till something gives. Its all they have got so they are going to play it hard. Most punters on the street have forgotten about it or never knew who he was. Its a beltway thing. The press coven – full of self opinionated, holier -than-thou upstarts.
    
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    October 2, 2022 9:00am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Sharma?
      
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      October 2, 2022 9:17am
      - Paulus
        
        Sharma has patience on his side – he is not a fool although he is still Labour currently.
        
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        October 2, 2022 1:21pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @Paulus – Sharma has been expelled from the Labour caucus and party; he’s an independent MP now.
        
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        October 2, 2022 2:44pm
    - Thought Criminal
      
      So much more interest in Sam by the New Zealand media. I wonder why? Perhaps something done 20 years ago is perceived as more serious that an accusation of institutionalised bullying by Labour.
      
      Explore search interest for Sam Uffindell, Gaurav Sharma by time, location and popularity on Google Trends – https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?hl=en-US&tz=-660&geo=NZ&q=Sam+Uffindell,%2Fg%2F11jvr23y7m&sni=6
      
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      October 2, 2022 9:30am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        How was dear leader perceived as a high school student? Just wondering.
        
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        October 2, 2022 3:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Decide for yourself….
        
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/30-03-2020/madeleine-chapman-just-how-cool-was-jacinda-ardern-in-high-school
        
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        October 2, 2022 3:09pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        ‘Jacinda, now 17 and the sole student representative on the (Morrinsville College) Board (of Trustees), argued passionately for girls to have the option of wearing shorts. As it stood, the uniform was skirts for the girls, shorts or pants for the boys, and collared shirts for everyone’
        
        So, Jacinda did not advocate for the right of schoolboys to wear skirts.
        
        What a regressive, (Mod – deleted, no need for that)
        
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        October 2, 2022 5:10pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        MW. Appears to have been on board with the feminist religion from the get go. I have no issue with shorts for girls. The feminist religion (in the West) though is just a giant bigoted and myopic grift these days.
        
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        October 2, 2022 7:57pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I think it is well past time that these governments are no longer allowed to use “commercial sensitivity” to withhold information from their people. I know in the USA when the unredacted information comes out it generally shows the government officials of the day to be totally incompetent and worried only about petty things.
  I bet this is the case with our PM but in her case there may be a bit more around shutting down contrary voices.
  I feel the mood is shifting radically. Only anecdotal but a friend of mine was a very big fan of the PM and there were a few photos taken with her on her page. She attended the WOW opening and not one pic of the PM could be found.
  
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  October 2, 2022 8:29am
  - Master Mariner
    
    “Apparently” the Ombudsman is on to this and has critiques all Ministry departments.
    Will it make any difference or will it be plain just ignored?
    I’m picking the later.
    
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    October 2, 2022 10:41am
    - Nickc2
      
      Any Ombudsman in NZ is a waste of space.
      A public sector ombudsman can’t force an organisation to go along with their recommendations.
      Courtesy Google
      
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      October 2, 2022 10:57am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yes interesting. Who is left in our neomarxist-plotter infested society that can act as an impartial (as humanly possible) referee with final veto powers??
        
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        October 2, 2022 3:04pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Probably slightly off to the side Maggy, but given Ardern’s speech during the week and the assertion that her “disinformation” efforts include discussions with corporates and not for profits, and now this, could we reasonably question whether she is in discussions with search engines etc to commence the path towards internet censorship in NZ? Her pathological blindness is there for all to see in the UN speech and I for one wouldn’t put it past her. I’ve also had a busy week socially and it’s clear that her 2020 support base has collapsed, and I wouldn’t be surprised if actual Labour support was presently sub 30%. If I’m right I think the next 12 months are critical. If Labour senses they’re in trouble they can go one of two ways – moderate in an attempt to regain the centre, or go hell for leather implementing leftist policies – who will forget Helen Clark’s plan to write off student loans in the lead up to the 2008 election or her mean spirited “right wing bonfire” losing speech? I fear Ardern & co would be much, much worse. Coming back to the internet – might internet censorship be her next step in controlling the media and trying to sway the 2023 election?
  
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  October 2, 2022 8:30am
  - Master Mariner
    
    TT, “Coming back to the internet – might internet censorship be her next step in controlling the media and trying to sway the 2023 election?”
    Who controls the narrative controls the outcomes, Springs to mind.
    Its already happening, !
    
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    October 2, 2022 9:10am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @master Mariner-
      Aren’t the algorithms Ms Ardern is so enthusiastic about going to be used to censor the internet?
      I thought that was their purpose – sift out alleged “hate speech” and subjective “misinformation “.
      Perhaps people don’t realise this?
      
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      October 2, 2022 9:41am
      - Ghost
        
        If only they would learn that they really can’t censor the internet, there are always ways around what they do.
        
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        October 2, 2022 9:44am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yes indeed, Or at least my “Basic” interpretation.
        Group think mentality, You will be “conditioned” how too think, Not too mention how to vote.
        
        NZ is another “Test” case for the “Nutters Club”.
        
        Christ no wonder conspiracy theory is predomanent.
        
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        October 2, 2022 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    could we reasonably question whether she is in discussions with search engines etc to commence the path towards internet censorship in NZ?
    
    I don’t think you are off target….
    You’re shooting for the bullseye.
    
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    October 2, 2022 9:11am
    - wilderbeast
      
      I hope we’re wrong! But I fear we’re not 😬
      
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      October 2, 2022 11:15am
  - Philview
    
    I have been processing strands of information this week. A friend who works in armaments overseas made a passing comment that we could be at war by Christmas. The blowing up of those pipelines and some in the US media saying the US did it. Now Ardern’s very hawkish stance that we will stand by Ukraine. The drums of war are getting louder. This morning I thought what if Ardern took NZ into war next year and used it as a pretext for goodness knows what. Normally I would shrug off such a thought but the way this Government operates with the media I just can’t see them meekly surrendering governance.
    
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    October 2, 2022 12:30pm
    - Ghost
      
      I was listing to an ex military American that lives in Donbas. He was talking about that there are rumours in Ukraine that last month the USA snuck a dirty bomb into Ukraine. Don’t know what to think of it.
      
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      October 2, 2022 12:35pm
- Jim
  
  Same question Maggy, for meeting with Black Rock?
  Seems extraordinary to me.
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:13pm
artemisia

If wondering what all those Communications staffers funded by taxpayers do all day, have a looksee at some annual reports.

I was looking at last year’s Kainga Ora annual report (I know, sad life). It is 121 pages long. The first few pages are side-by-side Maori and English. Most of the headings from then on are Maori – first in bold type – and English – underneath not bold. Maori sprinkled throughput.

But wait, there’s more. A lot of results of customer surveys, many positive results proudly displayed. Would the comms staffers be carrying these out in their spare time, or are there other staff responsible. There are a couple of thousand to choose from.

Wonder if they also survey neighbours, and report on complaints. (Maybe I missed that reporting in the 121 pages.)

And who could argue with 3 days to move a native tree 150 metres “to be enjoyed by tamariki and whānau”. No mention of costs.

Our tax dollars at work. And that’s just one report.
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October 2, 2022 8:30am
- Nickc2
  
  When you give something a Maori name, that’s what you get.
  Call it housing New Zealand and no doubt it will report housing problems, how they were fixed, and what they cost. No doubt there will also be a chapter on Work in Progress, Assumed Risks, and Risk Mitigation Processes to be implemented.
  However, that wouldn’t be what Megan Woods would expect or understand. Her PhD is in New Zealand history and the last thing she would want to see is that historically, she’s been a failure in every Govt position she’s held.
  
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  October 2, 2022 10:01am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Sadly, Megan Woods’ PhD is in some obscure gender micro subject (I can’t be arsed with the simple Google search to remind myself what). Her PhD was not in the great themes of NZ history, otherwise she’d know that Labour = failure.
    
    Makes you wonder if there are/ were Labour fans who did a solid PhD in NZ history, concluded that they were wrong in their beliefs & therefore chose to exit, stage right.
    
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    October 2, 2022 1:37pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  At Te Papa yesterday. All captions in two languages; Maori always first.
  
  In the English captions it’s Aotearoa New Zealand. In the Maori captions it’s Aotearoa.
  
  Funny, that.
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:33pm
  - pm5112
    
    Just got my new passport, maori language in large writing with english underneath with smaller writing.
    Checked the old passport was english first with maori underneath with smaller writing.
    Who the hell can read maori overseas when you present your passort, what a fucking joke we have become under Ardern and the maori elite
    
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    October 2, 2022 7:16pm
Warren

Andrea Vance needs to take her head out of our Prime Minister’s arse with her comments on Jacinda Ardern is caring and kind, how can you be these things when you blatantly lie and decieve over problems create by yourself but still use them to blame the opposition.
How can you be kind and caring when you use your power to demean and belittle a young Lass who you blamed for covid-19 getting out of a quarantine isolation facility when you knew it came from the facility, I can go on with many more of Jacinda Ardern’s slime politics but I won’t.
So for Andrea Vance to push that the Prime Minister has built her ability to be in control around being kind and caring is absolute bull shit since day one with her lies on the previous Government having under funded and neglected New Zealand in just about every portfolio since 2008 and just another of her nasty childish catch phases that the population is sick of.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300701803/labour-is-harnessing-the-wrong-kind-of-anger-if-it-wants-to-win
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October 2, 2022 8:32am
- General
  
  A chunk of the population are completely manipulable and this won’t change in any meaningful way until enough of us are motivated enough to call out ALL of this bullshit for what it is.
  In person and with no concession.
  
  I could definitely do better but I’m trying. Being a pariah is an unattractive position to take but when it’s the only way of maintaining intellectual honesty and good faith principles in opposition to the lies and gaslighting when they are exposed then so be it.
  
  The majority of leadership and management in all organizations and industries are an absolute disgrace. To be fair though, the majority of Joe and Jane public are deluded about so many things, yet have the audacity to demand everyone conforms to their fear and consensus induced guilt. Most people don’t care because most of them never had and never will have the curiosity to uncover that everything of cultural or political significance is largely captured by narcissists, psychopaths and cowards. The obviousness of which seems exponential to those with their eyes open and integrity intact.
  
  New Zealand is a seriously pathetic collection of people at this point. Mostly bullies or too pussy to stand up for themselves. It’s time … [ Mod .. language .. ]
  
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  December 2, 2021 9:33am
  - General
    
    My bad.
    
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    October 2, 2022 10:42am
    - Master Mariner
      
      General, Right on the nose with your analysis.
      
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      October 2, 2022 10:58am
- Paulus
  
  I understand that Vance is here on a work visa, or similar, as she has made it clear that she has no intention of becoming a Citizen.
  Should go back to UK if they would have her !
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:25pm
  - peterwn
    
    She has been here for so long that she must have a residency permit (which is effectively a super visa). If she chose to take citizenship, it would most likely be a formality in her case. But then virtually the only benefit of citizenship is the ability to obtain a NZ passport, now that the NZ government allows residents to have the vote. As far as I know the only ways of losing residency are being out of the resident country for too long or committing a serious crime (required seriousness is proportional to length of residency). Possibly she might return to UK if Liz and the Tories get kicked out.
    
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    October 2, 2022 1:53pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It’s a blot on NZ that we permit PR holders to vote. It’s a throwback to a very different NZ and should be done away with.
      
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      October 2, 2022 3:54pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Yep. She’s up front about Northn Erland being home, yet she pontificates about NZ politics, what’s good for us etc. I don’t like what I know of her, and think even less of her now that I know she has zero commitment to NZ.
    
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    October 2, 2022 3:53pm
Ghost

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/130048659/seven-people-in-one-vehicle-arrested-after-alleged-paekkriki-ramraid

Seven young people in a single vehicle have been arrested after an alleged ramraid on the Kāpiti coast near Wellington.

Police were called to Beach Rd, Paekākāriki at 3am on Sunday to reports of a ramraid on a shop. A number of items, including cigarettes, were taken.
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October 2, 2022 9:20am
Inandout

Ghost, Paekak would be the least favourable ram raid location with only a goat track to escape either way. The offenders will be released because of age no doubt.
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October 2, 2022 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  And put on accelerated , tax payer funded driving lessons .
  
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  October 2, 2022 9:52am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is sobering to recall that goat track was the main road in and out of Wellington for 80 years. It killed and injured countless people. Yet the socialists and anti car folk fought tooth and nail against a replacement. Thank you Steven Joyce.
  
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  October 2, 2022 9:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ doesn’t seem a very popular choice for the refugees stuck on Nauru Island or in Australian Detention Camps.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/30/australia-new-zealand-refugee-deal-un-criticises-canberra-after-just-36-people-take-up-offer
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October 2, 2022 9:50am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, ain’t that a slap in the face!
  
  Lying poet Behrouz (of course I’m just travelling to NZ to attend a writers conference, and applying for asylum couldn’t be further from my thoughts) Boochani must be reflecting on his choices.
  
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  October 2, 2022 4:00pm
Hugh Jarse

Looks like the media company that lead the charge on Nationals poor vetting of Uffindel has been hoisted by their own petard with their new show, FBoy Island and the vetting of background of one of the contestants. Not only is the show’s premise pretty disgraceful but Wayde Moore’s previous behaviour doesn’t pass the sniff test despite him being found not guilty. Appears the vetting wasn’t very deep, good old TVNZ.
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October 2, 2022 9:57am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t want to defend tvnz, but the police checks found nothing, he never told them of his past behavior they did all they could. I’m sure Sam would not want people to keep dragging his name into there arguments about other things
  
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  October 2, 2022 10:07am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The point Hugh is making is that Uffindel was apparently a misogynistic bully, against who TVNZ went large. I always thought Naked Attraction was as bad as TVNZ shows got, but it seems I had underestimated TVNZ’s enthusiasm for the race to the bottom.
    
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    October 2, 2022 10:28am
    - Ghost
      
      Looks like he has judged the show on it is name and looking at reviews and previous cast of the show on an assumption of the show that is wrong. The show gives all the power to woman.
      
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      October 2, 2022 11:20am
      - Ghost
        
        Laughing so here is the premise of the show. 3 woman have all the power over who they pick, and at the end of the show if they pick a nice guy then they and the nice guy get to share in the prize money, if they pick the fboy he gets to decides to keep the money for himself or share it with her, the twist is that if he keeps it the woman partner takes it off him and gives it to a charity of her choice
        
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        October 2, 2022 11:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Who on earth thought that a show where the premise is testosterone-fuelled young men who believe they are entitled to have sex with any woman they choose would be a good idea? And I wonder what the Minister of Broadcasting, Willie “Roastbusters” Jackson thinks about this show.
  
  Just scrap it now, and destroy all the tapes so nothing ever gets aired.
  
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  October 2, 2022 10:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    who on earth thought that a show….would be a good idea
    
    Let’s not be coy…
    
    The show is all about finding out who are the fuckboys.
    
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/pop-culture/26-09-2022/who-the-f-are-the-boys-of-fboy-island-nz
    
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    October 2, 2022 10:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here’s the Executive Bunch of TVNZ… Presumably someone in this lot did a deal with the FBOY Island Franchise
      
      https://corporate.tvnz.co.nz/leadership/
      
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      October 2, 2022 10:43am
    - Jack5
      
      One of the TV show contestants Maggy Wassilieff points to is described as a “a plant-based personal trainer”.
      
      But more interesting is the contestant, Wayde Moore, as Hugh Jarse, indicates above. Here’s the story:
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tvnzs-new-reality-show-fboy-island-nz-hit-by-discovery-contestant-faced-court-charge-over-teen/3BD4KKRXGMGG6ME2ZPXEC3PT7A/
      
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      October 2, 2022 12:21pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Oh No!!!
      
      One of those guys was at school with my daughter and apparently they’ve all known for a while due to him having a modelling career via Instagram etc.
      
      He’s not only devastatingly good looking but is musician (guitar as I recall), and has a double degree in math and physics. He’s also disgustingly nice apparently – so much so that all the girls were teasing him on his Instagram account at some party a year or so ago.
      
      Some people really do just catch all the gifts in the world.
      
      And then he goes on a show like this. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
      
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      October 2, 2022 9:14pm
  - Ghost
    
    Show has got a lot of positive reviews from woman writers in the states. And judging by some of the reviews from females it doesn’t sound anything like people think it will be. Might not be my kind of show or yours.
    
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    October 2, 2022 10:40am
    - Ghost
      
      Having watched this interview with a contestant from the USA version, sounds like a show worth giving a chance instead of prejudging
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU17TsxjHM4
      
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      October 2, 2022 11:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Alaska. You can drive on summer tyres, but if you have studded tyres they must be off the vehicle by April 2023. They damage the roads too much.
https://community.cartalk.com/t/annual-meeting-of-the-summer-tires-club/96598
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October 2, 2022 10:01am
kevn

@Maggy… Lots of NZer’s aren’t that happy to be here either. Many just waiting until election time 2023 to make their final decision.
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October 2, 2022 10:01am
Benedict Yu

Stuff doesn’t get irony 🤣

Begging for money they tell us…

“Our democracy is vulnerable

That’s why Stuff is so committed to fearless reporting and fact-checking on those seeking your vote in local government elections.”

“Democracy is vulnerable”. Yes I agree. But they are part of the problem. 🤡
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October 2, 2022 10:03am
- Matt Long
  
  While they’re begging for money they aren’t going to come right out and say their agenda is to spread false information and propaganda to usher in a dystopian neww world order are they?
  
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  October 2, 2022 3:14pm
mogg

After Covid, Cindy is already known as the high priestess of misinformation (lies),yet this is the very subject that she chooses for her big UN speech.
The last time she tried vilifying the protesters at parliament it triggered a big slump in her popularity,
and Labours poll ratings. The UN speech was another attempt to vilify ‘climate deniers’ which again is a fair chunk of NZ population. How is that a good idea, is Cindy the full shilling.
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October 2, 2022 10:22am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I noticed that the assembly was about one third full for her speech. The audience looked totally disinterested.
  
  I also trawled through comments on the various YouTube videos of the speech. About 98 percent highly negative.
  
  There was one supporter that did make me laugh.
  
  “So you support the Christchurch shooter live steaming his massacre on Facebook?”
  
  No. Because murdering people and posting the footage online is already unlawful. 🙄
  
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  October 2, 2022 10:56am
  - David Garrett
    
    Bene: “The audience looked totally UNINTERESTED” old boy…disinterested means impartial.
    
    Common mistake, even for those whose first language is English.
    
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    October 2, 2022 12:11pm
  - cjn
    
    To be fair, the Assembly was not filled for Lavrov’s speech either but one attendee conspicuous for her vacant expression was Ms Ardern seated all alone beside the Netherlands place marker.
    
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    October 2, 2022 5:32pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  What is interesting is that no key people internationally on the left have come out and supported the speech. I get the impression that some leaders, notably the French president and the Canadian PM humour her. They are happy to be associated with her if the gloss rubs off. But if there is a backlash it will be “Jacinda who?”….”Sorry Jacinda I would love to give you a lift but the plane is full.” 😂
  
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  October 2, 2022 11:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There are many on the left who wouldn’t understand what she even spoke about. They support Jaspinda because she is the best Leader the World has ever seen.
    
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    October 2, 2022 11:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The elevator don’t go to the top floor.
  
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  October 2, 2022 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Last night on GD, wilderbeast asked
this question:

Looping back to the Ardern preso at the UN here’s a serious question: would her definition of “disinformation” capture much of the debate on Kiwiblog? For example those who question whether the lockdown was justified or the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine. Serious question…

The trouble with asking serious questions at night time is that most of the folks on GD are otherwise engaged…

I would think that Kiwiblog is always in the sights of folks who would like to close down this blog.
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October 2, 2022 11:01am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, having a NZ site address I understand does leave the owner vulnerable to government interference.
  
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  October 2, 2022 11:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  No doubt at all. There are folk on here who think climate change is a scam. I don’t agree with that (although the New Zealand net zero target and the emerging policies are idiotic).
  
  Jacinda said plainly that these folk should be silenced. Further, I suspect that she would like people like me and Eric Crampton, who ridicule her policies to be silenced.
  
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  October 2, 2022 11:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It would be racist to silence you, Benedict.
    
    They’ll have to find a different tactic…
    perhaps you’re fragile and need some wrap-around support.
    
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    October 2, 2022 11:22am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot. Saturday funnies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6hGow80UcM
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October 2, 2022 11:08am
Jack5

The Bank of England is “printing” five billion pounds a day (about $NZ9.98 billion) a day to calm the storm caused by the financial policy of the new PM, Liz Truss.

Commentator Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the conservative newspaper, the Telegraph, argues that Britain’s Chancellor (Finance Minister), Kwasi Kwarteng, must must take all cuts in income tax off the table until the public finances have recovered.

The Bank of England will stop its emergency buying of bonds on October 14.

Evans-Pritchard writes:

The Bank of England will then face a choice: It can either resume bond purchases, lose all authority, and go the way of the Turkish central bank; or it can raise rates to 5pc or 6pc to try to stem a combined run on the pound and the gilts market, causing a housing crash and a bloodbath of business bankruptcies. Nor is there any guarantee that the latter course would stabilise the financial system.

If NZ’s National Party is prudent, it will stop all comment on a policy including tax cuts until the British financial storm abates.
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October 2, 2022 11:56am
- Jack5
  
  In the Sunday edition of the Telegraph, Truss stands firm on her policy.
  
  She declares that only her plan to transform Britain into a low tax, high growth economy will reverse the “current trajectory of managed decline”.
  
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  October 2, 2022 12:04pm
- DenisPurdy
  
  The current tax brackets have been in place for a decade and people on middle incomes have moved up into higher brackets. Are you suggesting that the Nats shouldn’t even adjust the brackets in accordance with 10 years of income inflation? What they should have done the last time they set the brackets was index them to inflation with automatic annual adjustments. This absolutely has to be done this time. The added Labour 39% envy bracket should be eliminated too. All this would do put us back to where we were in the relatively halcyon days of the 1st term of the Key Nat government.
  
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  October 2, 2022 12:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    I’m suggesting National should keep quiet about tax cuts until the financial storm in Britain ends.
    
    If Truss’s policy of tax cuts during inflation does prove a disaster National will find it near-impossible to convince voters cuts are appropriate during high inflation.
    
    A key, if not dominant issue, in the 2023 election will be inflation, with middle and lower income voters feeling it in their living costs.
    
    Zealots have quoted Milton Friedman as supporting tax cuts. The Nobel Prize economist, who was an authority on inflation, perhaps the authority, did generally oppose high-tax economies. However, I can’t find any record of Friedman supporting tax cuts while bringing inflation under control.
    
    Inflation is too much money in “circulation”. How can tax cuts reduce that without corresponding cuts in Government spending? Try selling that to voters with the health service failing, crime rampant, the school system crumbling. And at the same time promising to reduce tax for the fewer numbers of higher income earners, voters who are “in the bag” for National regardless.
    
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    October 2, 2022 12:58pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Shes trying to stimulate production
      
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      October 2, 2022 4:59pm
    - JJ56
      
      As the good man from Infometrics reminded today the Nats policy and Tories’ are like chalk and cheese. The Nats are using money that Labour has already allocated for spending. No fiscal stimulus only arguing about who gets to spend it.
      
      The Tories on the other hand are spending new money, at least until we see the rest of the package dealing with regulations etc.
      
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      October 2, 2022 6:09pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      As I understand it the UK “”tax cuts”” are actually a cancellation of increased taxes and bringing forward 12 months a previous tax cut decision
      
      https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-announces-new-growth-plan-with-biggest-package-of-tax-cuts-in-generations
      
      Chancellor unveils new growth plan, tackling energy costs to bring down inflation, backing business and helping households.
      Corporation tax rise cancelled, keeping it at 19% as government sets sights on 2.5% trend rate of growth.
      Basic rate of income tax cut to 19% in April 2023 – one year earlier than planned – with 31 million people getting on average £170 more per year.
      Stamp Duty cuts will help people on all levels of the property market and lift 200,000 homebuyers every year out of paying the tax altogether.
      
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      October 2, 2022 6:59pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        The Economist calls it “asset stripping” … for the benefit of the wealthy.
        
        Tax cuts – skewed towards top earners – funded by borrowing .. Reagan all over again and that didn’t work all that well.
        
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        December 2, 2021 7:27pm
- kowtow
  
  Nothing compared to the almost trillion pounds they’ve printed since the GFC and wuflu scam.
  
  Bt what we have is a media storm to try to unseat a conservative Conservative.
  
  There are as many articles in the DT defending her policy as there are against.
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:02pm
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe there are, but, if the polls are anything to go by, the general public isn’t convinced.
    
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    October 2, 2022 4:55pm
- mogg
  
  What you are arguing is pure Socialism, ever increasing tax creep backed up by redistribution of wealth, as with Robbo never any mention of growth.
  Do you agree with Labour’s increased taxation by stealth.
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:05pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    For the last few years the redistribution of wealth has tended to be upwards as asset prices blew out. I suppose this is OK because the redistribution is for folk who deserve it ….
    
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    October 2, 2022 7:30pm
- herb1
  
  If the correct thing to do is call off Nationals proposed tax cuts , is correct, then it simply confirms that our economy is stuffed.
  Do the media and Labour , who are attacking National actually understand this
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:49pm
oldfella

A weekly wrap of US political humour… 🙂
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/10/the-week-in-pictures-cat-5-bidenstorm-edition.php
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October 2, 2022 12:10pm
Jack5

Daylight saving began in Australia today. It kicks in at 2 a.m. on the first Sunday in October, with clocks moving forward an hour, but applies only in these states:

– Australian Capital Territory (Canberra);
– New South Wales;
– Tasmania;
– South Australia;
– Victoria.

Australian daylight saving ends on the first Sunday of April. In 2023, that will be April 2.
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October 2, 2022 12:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nordstrom Biden I promise we could do it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineCrisis2022/comments/xpqjip/biden_announced_us_behind_sabotage_of_nordstream/
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October 2, 2022 12:42pm
Nickc2

Notice without warning for Cannabis Chloe Swarbrick.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268829/Cannabis-just-harmful-cocaine-classified-Class-drug-police-chiefs-say.html
Will this put her off her drive to legalise the stuff? Doubt it, there’re tons of votes in eh?
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October 2, 2022 12:51pm
Warren

Labour in for a uncomfortable 2023 and Kiwis will be hurting, but will it affect the current Government and attack them for the way that the Finance Minister Grant Robertson have handled the economy.
Two Top Economists are warning New Zealander’s are in for a uncomfortable and tough 2023 as the Government tries to handle high inflation and global instability.
At the moment we have a record cost of living crisis leading to record high inflation that will move into Election year 2023 but will be enough to change a Government that has a spending problem .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2022/10/kiwis-warned-2023-will-be-tough-and-uncomfortable-as-country-pays-economic-price-of-controlling-inflation.html
This to go with high crime with no consequences, and and other policy that is dividing New Zealander’s could be the nail that gets rid of this rotten corrupt Government and there wannabe Celebrity Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
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October 2, 2022 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

I don’t know whether any of you intend watching BLONDE or not?
Personally, I found it pretty disturbing.
This is a good thread to read first if you were considering it 🙁

https://twitter.com/remainsoflilies/status/1575505702994460672
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October 2, 2022 1:51pm
- Ghost
  
  Thought about it, but after reading that won’t bother
  
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  October 2, 2022 1:57pm
- Steve Todd
  
  I decided, with some trepidation, to watch ‘Blonde’ on Wednesday night, carrying over to Thursday, only because I absorb everything about Marilyn Monroe — I’m a total fan — I can get my hands on. To put it mildly, I was appalled. If you’re not a Marilyn-admirer, by all means give it a miss.
  
  It is based on the book, ‘Blonde’, by Joyce Carol Oates, described by Marilyn-admirer and biographer, Donald R. McGovern, as the “the most loathsome corruption ever written about Marilyn Monroe” (see https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/murder-orthodoxies/front-matter/authors-note/, paragraphs four and five).
  
  If Kiwibloggers want to read great biographies of Marilyn Monroe, written by people who respect her and her memory, I recommend ‘Marilyn Monroe: The Biography’ (1993), by Donald Spoto, and Donald R. McGovern’s comprehensive website, https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/, particularly ‘Murder Orthodoxies’, here: https://marilynfromthe22ndrow.com/wp/murder-orthodoxies/, about the events leading up to, and surrounding, Marilyn’s death. (NB. She was not murdered, and most definitely and provably not with the involvement of the younger of the two ‘Middle Kennedy Brothers’.)
  
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  October 2, 2022 3:47pm
- MCōs
  
  I watched the first hour or so the other night. It was relentlessly miserable and a review I read suggested there’s another couple of hours along the same vein.
  I don’t know that finish it off.
  It’s clearly not an accurate representation of her life. These movies rarely are otherwise they’d be dead boring.
  
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  October 2, 2022 5:42pm
slightlyrighty

I see that the state of NZs highway network is so bad, Waka Kotahi is changing it’s name to Whaka Kataia
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October 2, 2022 2:44pm
- greybeard
  
  Whaka Hipa Kataia
  
  Well, at least I got it……
  
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  October 2, 2022 3:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Might be time for Labour MPs to start doing something about protecting small business owners from thieving thugs.

“I work seven days, it’s been six years since I’ve taken a holiday.

“We work really bloody hard to make a living, and someone comes in and does that to your livelihood – it sucks.”

There has been a spate of ram-raids throughout the country this year.

Morar said he knew it would only be a matter of time before his business was targeted.

He said he had spent months lobbying the local MP, Barbara Edmonds, and trying to get agreement from the council for protective bollards to be installed but delays kept occurring.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/475906/seven-youths-arrested-after-paekakariki-shop-ram-raid
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October 2, 2022 2:49pm
- nathie
  
  Yes it is important for politicians/judiciary/social services to ensure that this criminal and destructive behavior doesn’t become “normalised”.
  
  Otherwise these young crims will have no fear of the consequences when they are adults, and will continue to exploit the next generation of youngsters to carry this on.
  
  It needs to be stopped. Now.
  
  (How? Security guards and Police allowed to use force. Shop owners too. Public allowed to intervene without being charged. Youngsters not to be released when caught, instead they need to be sent to a special institution with the appropriate wrap around services, psychological and educational services to help them for their future integration back into society. Punishment for those that continue to be aggressive. Community services work each week eg from picking up rubbish to removing graffiti etc. Families to visit in weekends only. Social visits to parks and beaches etc once they behave. Or something like this. Will require Govt investment. Kind of like Bill English’s Social Investment? Outcomes to be measured and ongoing community followup)!
  
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  October 2, 2022 4:05pm
  - Keith White
    
    Stocks.
    Rotting vegetables.
    Minimal assembly required.
    
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    October 3, 2022 4:57am
NeverMindTheBollocks

What if Nord Stream is just a test, & Putin’s next target is subsea internet cables?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/01/vladimir-putins-latest-frightening-gambit-lies-at-the-bottom-of-the-ocean
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October 2, 2022 4:56pm
- Ghost
  
  Why would Putin blow up Nord steam? They gain nothing for it and lose a lot. The only person who talked about taking Nord stream out is Biden.
  
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  October 2, 2022 5:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The World knows Biden (not Biden, but the Pentagon) did this to the pipe.
    One leak? OK but now four?
    I am sure this is sabotage, and not just the Americans.
    
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    October 2, 2022 5:43pm
- cjn
  
  Well, Jacinda Ardern would think that was a good thing. No internet? She could rule the waves.
  
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  October 2, 2022 5:41pm
Ghost

Missing Auckland woman

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/10/police-ask-for-public-s-help-to-find-missing-21yo-from-auckland.html
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October 2, 2022 6:04pm
Ghost

Brenton Faithfull is a Funeral Director and a Justice of the Peace. He is well aware of the importance of the truth. He told Dr Shelton that in the past year, 95% of the dead that he has buried, had their covid injections within two weeks of their death. He confirmed the finding of abnormal blood clots in these Kiwis, as has been found internationally. NZDSOS thanks Brendon for his courage in speaking out.

https://odysee.com/@NZDSOS:2/Brendon-Faithful:3
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October 2, 2022 6:29pm
kevn

@Ghost… Wait for the mass pile-on and shut-down of this fine fellow speaking out.
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October 2, 2022 6:51pm
Ghost

New Zealand is open for businesses jacinda?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/nearly-35-000-tourists-waiting-weeks-for-visitor-visas-to-enter-new-zealand.html

Nearly 35,000 tourists waiting weeks for visitor visas to enter New Zealand
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October 2, 2022 6:57pm
- kevn
  
  @Ghost… We have some super SA friends who have working and waiting for residency with Immigration for 8 years. Moving the goal posts, endless new requirements etc. Hopeless.
  
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  October 2, 2022 8:06pm
Ghost

I’ve got a great doctor, but damn, after reading this article I’m going to have to ask why he doesn’t pick me up for appointments, lol.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/130039298/new-community-passenger-transport-service-for-temuka

A solution to Temuka’s passenger transport deficiencies is rolling out on Monday with a community vehicle and a dozen volunteer drivers.

Temuka and Districts Project Trust chairperson Charles Scarsbrook said the lack of passenger transport had resulted in doctors picking up patients for their appointments.
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October 2, 2022 7:05pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, imagine booking into a really expensive hotel in Dubai, then having to put up with a dick like this in the pool 🙁

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1576187447607697409
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October 2, 2022 7:25pm
Ghost

Sigh, the mental illness is obvious in climate change activists, this one needs serious help. Btw lady, if it wasn’t for people like Tom you would never have known what freedom was

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/10/uk-climate-activist-sparks-fury-by-pouring-human-faeces-on-captain-sir-tom-moore-memorial-in-protest-over-private-jets.html

A climate activist has sparked fury by pouring a bucket of what she says is human faeces over a memorial to a beloved UK figure in a bizarre protest over the use of private jets.

Maddie Budd, 21, vandalised a memorial to Captain Sir Tom Moore, a World War II veteran who rose to fame early in the COVID-19 pandemic by walking laps of his garden to raise money for the UK’s National Health Service (NHS). He ended up raising £32,796,355 (NZ$65,434,422), won admirers around the world, and was knighted for his efforts.
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October 2, 2022 8:26pm
Tauhei Notts

Newshub have a headline;
“Pain expected for mortgagees as interest rates look to rise”
But nowhere does it mention about the problems that banks and other lenders might face.
That headline writer needs a decent laxative. He/she is obviously full of shit.
For some silly reason it brought to mind that placard I saw at a Teachers’ protest march a few years ago.
“Our countries teachers are the best.”
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October 2, 2022 9:17pm
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  Mortgagees are the banks. The article makes no sense.
  
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