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krazykiwi

A thought exercise: Imagine Three Waters has passed into law, and ethnic control is seeing tribal elite becoming faboliously powerful and/or rich at the expense of the rest of us. Add to this that He Puapua has been bedded in. Think about the dominance a few people would have. Got it? Right, now multiply the dominance by 1000x and helplessness of the masses by the same amount. This horror story the end-game is here: Federal Reserve announces major ‘pilot exercise’ for ESG social credit score system

The Federal Reserve has taken a major step in the direction of facilitating an ESG compliant monetary network that effectively acts as a parallel system to that of the Chinese Communist Party’s infamous social credit scoring system.

The Fed said in a statement Thursday:

“Six of the nation’s largest banks will participate in a pilot climate scenario analysis exercise designed to enhance the ability of supervisors and firms to measure and manage climate-related financial risks. Scenario analysis—in which the resilience of financial institutions is assessed under different hypothetical climate scenarios—is an emerging tool to assess climate-related financial risks, and there will be no capital or supervisory implications from the pilot.”

In other words, The Fed is working with the big banks to monitor their ability to comply with the ruling class’s preferred enviro statist technocratic tyranny.

The unaccountable people behind the American money printer claim that this exercise is “exploratory in nature and does not have capital consequences.”

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For “climate-related financial risks” read “any measure the ruling elite decide to adopt”.

Stopping Three Waters and having He Puapua shredded would be meaningless in the face of programable Central Bank Digital currencies linked to Social Credit scoring. The latter portends digital enslavement of humanity under the absolute control of a few. The time to start resisting is now, because by the time your pay/welfare is switched to a programmable CBDC it’s already game over for you and your children.
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October 1, 2022 8:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – you have probably read the Bad Cattitude post re CBDC, it included this open admission from the head of the Bank for International Settlements, that these are nothing less than mechanisms for totalitarian control of all aspects of your life.
  
  https://twitter.com/SovMichael/status/1569264243299549184?s=20&t=PhA_klih4YhtxhME8Vbh3A
  
  It is all part of this seemingly relentless march towards a fascist technocracy that is making a sham of democracy. Ardern is driving this hard and fast.
  The whole Bad Cattitude post is a must read for anyone trying to make sense of what appear to be random, insane events around the world. Covid was just a taste.
  
  https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-seeds-of-social-credit?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
  
  The post is specific to the US, but it is exactly the same MO in most of the western world. We’ve already had our “guns bad” moment and the pressure is building over there.
  
  everything is an emergency, you’re all threats and terrorists, and we can do, say, spend, and take whatever we like including your rights because “exigent crisis.”
  
  they have come for speech, association, agency, you name it.
  
  and now they come for the right to defend yourself.
  
  and the whole idea is ridiculous.
  
  how is making guns harder to get “reducing crime” or “making anyone safe”?
  
  it’s not. it’s a political stunt under fascist style pressure from a government that runs payment systems and likely has nasty aspirations on how to weaponize them into social credit.
  
  but even if you disagree and think this WILL create safety, consider:
  
  it’s yet another thin end of yet another wedge as they “just one more little thing” you to fettered dependency.
  
  the ultimate guarantor of your safety and liberty is you.
  
  it can be no other way.
  
  Ardern has already taken the guns. Crime has increased out of control. She took on emergency powers due to the covid “crisis”. Another sham. She is on the world stage crying wolf about the climate “crisis”. We are being made poorer and our society is becoming increasingly unstable due to the actions of these dangerous, dangerous people.
  Ardern’s latest is her fascist attack on free speech at the UN. Beautifully interpreted and presented here.
  
  Supreme Leader of New Zealand, Jacinda, brings great joy and wonderful gift of free speech.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyXXFPP3law
  
  One by one, our rights to live freely are being stripped away. So many have become the boiling frogs, they refuse to recognise the water is getting uncomfortably warm.
  
  and it is not random. it is planful because “extremist” and “terrorist” are not mere epithets; in the post patriot act age they are magic words to strip you of rights, due process, freedom, and even identity.
  
  they are words that can disappear you.
  
  and in a note perfect application of “coyote’s law” they are now being used against the party that created them in a form of boomerang assault to attack and marginalize the very folks who enacted such un-constitional outrages.
  
  coyote’s admonition here is ever simple: “grant no power to the state without first considering how it might be wielded by the politician you despise most. because one day, it will be.”
  
  Coyote’s admonition should be everyone’s mantra.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ardern makes it into the latest UK Column programme. Her speech at the UN rightly described as “creepy”. About 1 hour into the show. Worth watching all of it as usual.
    
    https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-30th-september-2022
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:13am
    - oldfella
      
      Yeah, Clan, but she apparently wowed them at WOW last night when she made an appearance modelling an outfit. Cool.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/300702435/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-makes-surprise-appearance-at-world-of-wearableart
      Sh*t PM, but so … adorable. //
      
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      October 1, 2022 9:42am
      - Ghost
        
        Just look at that photo of her for a minute
        
        Now go look at John Key when he launched the rugby World Cup volunteer uniform
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/4614912/Prime-Minister-John-Key-tries-World-Cup-kit
        
        One pm that is enjoying life, the other looks like she is sucking the life out of everything
        
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        October 1, 2022 9:47am
      - Paulus
        
        But Ardern was the real Star of the Show remember, and her loving loyal followers accepted that.
        There is doubt that the great WOW Show can continue as now under new Ameican Management organisation.
        I understand and all that matters is money.
        Auckland next year if the Managers can persuade somebody – ie you and me, to finance it, but I suppose that if the let her be the Star of the Show just before the election she will cough up via some obscure area of our money.
        
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        October 1, 2022 10:05am
      - wilderbeast
        
        Just a complete narcissist. Was talking to two regular Air NZ commuters last night. They bump into her a lot in airports. Until a year ago apparently she was inundated for selfies etc, and just this week she’s apparently sitting on her own in the koru lounge – security detail paying her attention but NO ONE else. Evidently it’s a very striking change.
        
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        October 1, 2022 10:13am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        oldfella – indeed. She’s a huge fan of photo ops and visiting masked kids in primary schools, a captive and supportive audience, no chance of criticism.
        She really is a spineless fake and the worst PM ever in history.
        
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        October 1, 2022 10:25am
      - nathie
        
        Looks like the WOW designer has found a cure for the PM’s wavey arms syndrome at press conferences – keep them wrapped up!
        
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        October 1, 2022 11:07am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It is illegal to take money as a PM, I just wonder
        
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        October 1, 2022 11:43am
      - krazykiwi
        
        wilderbeast, mrs kk sat on a regional AirNZ service together with Ardern and her goons this week. Zero interest from other travelers, and Ardern looked like she’d been sucking lemons.
        
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        October 1, 2022 6:10pm
      - Dougal10
        
        Must be some polling going on this week for her to do a stunt like the awards show.
        
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        October 1, 2022 7:15pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      Well spotted. If I may indulge myself and offer a simple answer to the the existential crisis Jacinda frames here (“disinformation”) – just chill out, adults will make up their own mind – information of varying quality has circulated since forever. Oh….oh…I see….we can’t do that, people might not agree with you and we can’t have that!
      
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      October 1, 2022 4:31pm
  - MiddleclassTrash
    
    How many people died so that we could have 1 citizen – 1 vote?
    How many lucky breaks had to happen?
    How much of the world has this? How many that don’t have this, want it?
    That is what is at stake here. The potential for end of tyranny is reduced further with every Greens/Labour vote. How the hell did we get here?
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:58am
  - wilderbeast
    
    “The guns” thing is the biggest have. Being a licensed firearm owner myself the only thing that has happened is that she punished law abiding people who have virtually zero track record of posing threats, and who do a lot of good along the way – help us control pests, put meat on the family table and often much wider groups, are skilled back country types who involve themselves in search & rescue, volunteer time to hut maintenance etc etc. nutters & gangs have the same access they always did. She punished the wrong people, though I believe it was actually deliberate – firearms owners are typically men, typically self reliant, and typically don’t vote Labour.
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:23am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Both Hitler and Stalin went to great lengths to disarm their populations. You won’t find many private owners of guns in North Korea or China either. See a pattern?
      
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      October 1, 2022 4:31pm
  - Jim
    
    It’s only a matter of time, and most naive people will applaud its introduction without realising the potential consequences to every facet of our lives. Think about CBDC which will enable people in power (like Cindy) to control your life for any perceived social, environmental or political dissent.
    
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    October 1, 2022 6:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  KK – this is a war on all fronts. From Robert Kennedy’s Children’s Health Defence website.
  
  The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) this month said it will invest $200 million in digital ID projects, encompassing “digital public infrastructure, including civil registry databases and digital ID” to help meet the 2030 target date for reaching the United Nation’s (UN) Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).
  
  The $200 million in new funding — part of an overall $1.27 billion commitment by the BMGF in support of “global health and development projects,” is closely tied to Goal 16.9 of the SDGs, for which “digital identity programs are supposedly needed,” Reclaim the Net reported.
  
  https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-investments-global-digital-id-system/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=860f34cb-4036-4ddb-8ad2-b49ad0da72c7
  
  Of course we’re down the rabbit hole, card carrying conspiracy theorists……..no matter how many times we highlight these narcissists’ own words and clear messaging that this is what they are aiming for. It’s incredible times.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:41am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Clan: And the saddest thing is that the likes of National AND ACT believe it’s all a conspiracy theory.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:49am
Souvlaki

The attached link on TePati Maoris vested interests….raises excellent points . Lets hope ( forlorn I expect) some one directly asks Ardern about them.

https://democracyproject.nz/2022/09/30/bryce-edwards-political-roundup-te-pati-maori-and-vested-interests/
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October 1, 2022 8:06am
- peterwn
  
  It all boils down to this – is democracy in NZ threatened? That is the fundamental issue but many people are unlikely to grasp this but instead make voting decisions based on secondary issues.
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The SFO has closed its books on investigating John Tamihere and donations to the Maori Party.
  
  https://waateanews.com/2022/09/30/no-sfo-action-on-maori-party-donation-delay/
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:28am
  - Nickc2
    
    Does anyone know why the SFO has closed its books on this matter? Surely, they should have provided a reason? If the public is left to draw their own conclusions, I dread to consider what these may be.
    
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    October 1, 2022 8:48am
    - kowtow
      
      Could all depend on what lens they’re wearing.
      
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      October 1, 2022 9:14am
    - rouppe
      
      My complete guess, is that:
      
      The electoral commission, as a silo entity, washes their hands of the matter by referring to the sfo (or police).
      
      To the sfo, as a silo entity, a $100,000 fraud isn’t worth their time, because they are chasing million dollar frauds.
      
      The Charities commission, as a silo entity, believes because no criminal charges are laid, they cannot act.
      
      So each of the silo entities believes themselves to have done their job, but as collective agents of the Crown, none of them have the guts to act collectively in nz’s best interest.
      
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      October 1, 2022 9:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who is it that makes the decision to close the books? Who is connected to this/these person/s?
      When the public draw their own conclusions, who is guiding them with propaganda?
      Not passing the sniff test.
      
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      October 1, 2022 9:22am
      - Nickc2
        
        I will ensure it fails the Pub Test this afternoon.
        
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        October 1, 2022 9:29am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Which pub, Nick?
        
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        October 1, 2022 10:44am
      - Nickc2
        
        RSA
        
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        October 1, 2022 12:08pm
    - Warren
      
      They did the same in 2017 when Andrew Little was Labour Party Leader and Slave gate was being fund raised , the same person was the rumored Donator but it was declared that no one could remember where the Donation came from.
      https://yournz.org/2017/07/01/labour-interns-follow-the-money-rumours/
      
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      October 1, 2022 5:23pm
  - rouppe
    
    What seems to happen here (it’s happened more than once) is :
    * electoral breach found
    * breach referred to police or sfo
    * because they have bigger fish to fry, the complaint is closed
    * subject of complaint announces vindication and continues doing the same thing
    
    Its happened time and again.
    
    Even if the threshold for criminal charges isn’t met, surely the charities commission can act to review that status – even for 1 financial year – because it is clear that donating to a political party breaches charity rules?
    
    Why does nothing ever happen for electoral breaches?
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:02am
    - Nickc2
      
      During the 2005 elections, all parties with the exception of the Maori Party were found to be in breach of Electoral Funding. All guilty parties repaid the illegal funds with the exception of NZ First who allegedly made a belated donation to a Children’s Hospital. Helen Clark even tried to change the law at the time to prevent an outflow of funds from the Labour Party’s coffers because they were the biggest offender.
      This shows there was once a will to hold Political Parties to account. Today, it seems not so much eh?
      
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      October 1, 2022 9:22am
      - Paulus
        
        I think you will find that Starship returned the money to NZ First as not wishing to be associated with this scam.
        
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        October 1, 2022 10:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You will have to run that past a primary school class first, so they can explain it to Jaspinda. There are far too many numbers of money going here there and everywhere for her to grasp it first hand.
  Btw, was special K’s racial outburst the other day just a diversion from this? Explains Willie laughing his tits off!
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:31am
  - oldfella
    
    Steve, Ian Taylor gives Willie a (figurative) clip around the ears in today’s horrid column. Sorry Willie Jackson, we’re not ‘useless Māori’ because we don’t speak te reo
    
    Behind a paywall – surprise, surprise – but as well as the language issue, Taylor doesn’t have much respect for Jackson.
    Willie is now Minister of Broadcasting and Media and he is charged with merging Radio New Zealand and Television New Zealand into a future-focused broadcasting entity that has to face the huge challenges of the new online platforms that are decimating the old world of radio and television. The skillsets and experience needed for a role such as this have challenged some of the largest media organisations in the world, not to mention some of the most tech-savvy storytellers on the planet.
    But, when I look at Willie’s CV, there is not a lot to suggest that this is a job he is particularly well qualified for.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/sir-ian-taylor-sorry-willie-jackson-were-not-useless-maori-because-we-dont-speak-te-reo/SXF7RDSCDLIFEGQK64OVO7VBNQ/
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:51am
    - I remember when
      
      oldfella:
      ‘Wheel Spinning’ Willie explained it all during question time.
      
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      October 1, 2022 2:50pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  When Maori are accused of anything they always trot out the race card. It is a nonsense and they should be called out for it. Ethics are ethics and morals are morals and good people regardless of the colour of their skin can see the difference between good ethics and bad ethics and good morals and bad morals.
  Hiding behind their race is the act of a coward and a scoundrel.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:14am
  - kowtow
    
    Once upon a time we used to look at the world thro’ rose tinted glasses .
    
    Now we must look at the world thro’ race tinted glasses , comrade .
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:16am
  - Paulus
    
    Again, as Winston said last week, in a good speech, that you need 1/412 to be registered on the Maori Roll.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Who cares what that fool thinks, was he not going to rid the nation of these racist seats? Do not forget what that rotten turd did
      
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      October 1, 2022 11:49am
      - Jim
        
        It’s a sad reality that after decades in politics, Winston’s vanity has caused more societal and democratic damage to NZ than any other politician in history.
        
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        October 1, 2022 5:14pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Occasionally I reflect on the Chinese who came here a century ago. They faced active discrimination. There are many descendents of those settlers still in New Zealand. Overwhelmingly they are successful and prosperous.
    
    You can’t hang on to grievances for generations. You just can’t. The alternative is the conflicts we saw in Rwanda, the Congo, Croatia, Serbia and Kosovo. This is not hyperbole. It is what will happen.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      A century ago? If you are talking about the Chinese that came in the gold rush then try 150 years ago
      
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      October 1, 2022 11:51am
      - wilderbeast
        
        Semantics G, the point still holds
        
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        October 1, 2022 8:23pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But but but, that would be classed as a hard question, no no no
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:46am
dave_c_

Hrrrmmph!
It is not a pretty sight, seeing our PTPM paricipating in a wearable arts event.
Looks like any sort of exposure to distract from what she should be doing to manage this country back into prosperity, is her main focus these days.
Well – (Mod – deleted)
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October 1, 2022 8:08am
- Ghost
  
  Prime ministers do these things, John Key pranced at Rugby World Cup volunteers’ uniforms announcement.
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:59am
- emmess
  
  We are truly living in ‘The Hunger Games’
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:18am
Andrei

We are at a seminal moment in World history.

Earlier this morning Vladimir Putin laid out the issues of the day in a speech, described as rambling, by his Western detractors.

It was anything but rambling, IMHO, it laid out where we are and why we are here

Anyway the Rubicon was crossed a few days ago with an act of State Terrorism. This was presented to us as a mystery as to who the culprit(s) might be though it is as obvious as the nose on your face as to who was behind it.

There is probably no turning back now my friends, dark days lie ahead
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October 1, 2022 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  The guy invades Ukraine and we’re meant to sympathise with his crazy neo fascist world view ?
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:18am
  - Ghost
    
    Saw this video the other day of a Ukraine tank
    
    https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1572939407384248320
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:24am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Indeed, I oppose acts of aggression everywhere. Let’s put aside the US instigated coup in Ukraine in 2014 and the burning to death of innocent civilians in a trade union building by Ukrainian neo nazis. Also the ongoing and deliberate (but ignored by western media) bombardment and targeting of civilians in missile and artillery attacks. Just a question to check impartiality.
    
    What are your thoughts on the continuing illegal occupation of Syria by US troops? Also their admission that they are there to steal that sovereign nation’s oil?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGo3rZoXksI
    
    I don’t defend Russia, I generally point out hypocrisy of criticising one country while ignoring the same and worse behaviour by other countries.
    The treatment of Julian Assange, persecuted for exposing proven, horrific war crimes by the US is another example. I’ve seen plenty of people jumping onto the “Russia bad” narrative, it’s an easy one. Not so many want to discuss the decades of similar and worse actions by successive US governments. That’s the part that always perplexes me. Do we defend bad and evil behaviour because they are on “our side”? Isn’t evil simply evil, no matter who perpetuates it, therefore it should be condemned in every instance, not cherry picked?
    I’m genuinely curious how people can somehow separate these things.
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:44am
    - kowtow
      
      Each case on its own merits.
      
      I have been an opponent of foreign adventurism by the west too .
      
      It is a ridiculous proposition if one wants to talk of the case in point and then have to list out all other invasions etc that one either supports or condemns .
      
      But as we’ve gone down that road ;
      
      The Helvetii should never have entered Roman territory but by the same token Julius Caesar was a bastard to Vercingetorix.
      
      None of which of course justifies Putin .
      
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      October 1, 2022 11:01am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        None of which justifies the continued occupation of Syria and theft of their oil, but I don’t seen anyone on KB complaining about it. That’s the bit I’m referring to when I point out hypocrisy.
        The “case in point” is simply the “current thing” that people put frames on their profile photos on Facebook.
        The US deliberately created the situation in Ukraine to destabilise and weaken Russia. It looks like it might even be succeeding. In the meanwhile, their sticky fingers are all over the Nordstream pipeline sabotage. What grinds my gears is people playing geopolitical games that threaten all life on the planet. In this situation I agree, Putin shouldn’t have invaded Ukraine, but the CIA and the US foreign policy hawks shouldn’t have hit the wasp nest with a baseball bat.
        I don’t like the wasps but I don’t blame the wasps, I blame the morons who hit the nest with the baseball bat.
        
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        October 1, 2022 1:13pm
      - kowtow
        
        CMcL
        
        To be fair though many of these problems stem directly from post WWI ‘settlements’ . And one could draw lines at any number of other significant events for blame.
        
        Ukraine’s ethnic Russians have prolly lived in the east there for a thousand years . Indeed there were very significant settlements of Germans throughout central and eastern Eu for many hundreds of years prior to WW 2 . They were ethnically cleansed post 1945 , but of course no one gave a shit , they were guilty by association.So while we claim WW2 was about the rights of people , we were happy to turn a blind eye to yet another genocide . Indeed many soldiers were sickened by being involved in returning Cossacks and others to ‘Uncle’ Joe , they had fought on the wrong side .Many weren’t Nazis , they were nationalists .
        
        The Kurds should have been given a homeland post WW1 , but suddenly we were appeasing the Turks and afraid even then of Ivan , now a Commie defending the Turks from the greedy western allies who had their eye on Constantinople . The Kurds still desrve their own country but will never get it out of all those interests in Iran , Iraq , Syria but especially our friends the Turks .
        
        It’s all a mess ,but not helped by “war war” .
        
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        October 1, 2022 3:54pm
- Taieri
  
  Anyway the Rubicon was crossed a few days ago with an act of State Terrorism
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  Are you referring to the “referenda” in the Eastern Ukraine?
  There’s a historical precedent to all this. In September 1939 the Red Army invaded eastern Poland in order to “liberate” the fraternal people of what the Soviet propaganda called Western Belorussia and Western Ukraine. All thus “liberated” became instant Soviet citizens and “elections” were held where the voters had a choice of only one candidate. Then in 1940 the three Baltic states and eastern parts of Romania were similarly “liberated” from the yoke of capitalist oppression. All the reactionaries not happy with their newly acquired freedom in the Workers’ Paradise were either summarily shot or send to Siberia, courtesy of the Soviet taxpayer.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:41am
  - cmm
    
    There’s another historical precedent too. THis is not the first time there has been an independent push for splitting from Ukraine that has been suppressed, violently, by the Ukrainians.
    
    Ukraine is far from being a unified country which is why there have been ongoing civil wars there for ages.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:26am
    - Taieri
      
      that has been suppressed, violently, by the Ukrainians.
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      I’m not one to idealize the Ukrainians, far from it. All their governments since gaining independence in 1991 were corrupt and inept. But that does not justify an aggression by its neighbour.
      
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      October 1, 2022 10:43am
      - cmm
        
        There are no goodies in this picture.
        
        Here’s how the Russians are playing this:
        * There are a bunch of people in Ukraine who are ethnically Russian.
        * These people are wanting to split form Ukraine.
        * The Ukrainians are bombing their own people for standing up to the government (not just bombing fighters, but non-combatant civilians too). This has been going on for decades.
        * The Ukrainins doing this are people like Azov who are neo-Nazis.
        
        Right or wrong, the west gets involved in conflicts with far less reason. It would be ridiculous to paint this as Putin=bad, everyone else = nice people.
        
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        October 1, 2022 2:26pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Maybe those ethnic Russians in Ukraine should just upsticks & move to Russia. It’s not as if Russia is overpopulated.
        
        And frankly, the land on the Russian side of the border is not that different to that on the Ukrainian side.
        
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        October 1, 2022 4:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rabbits
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October 1, 2022 8:21am
- Prince
  
  White ones.
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Don’t be racist
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:25am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      If it’s okay for Davis, then it’s okay for all 😃
      
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      October 1, 2022 11:55am
  - tf78
    
    Prince, we sure need them right now.
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:26am
Philview

I hope you aren’t looking through vanilla eyes there Souvlaki. The SFO have chosen to not go near it which is interesting, I suspect they don’t want to be tied up in knots for years and not worth the hassle.
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October 1, 2022 8:25am
blue collar

Is the grayling really extinct ?? I’m highly sceptical , surely somewhere in all our rivers and streams it still exists .
How do the authorities know ?
Article in stuffed , dunno how to link
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October 1, 2022 8:38am
- crackle
  
  I’m pretty certain I caught one as a kid around 30 years ago, scoop net in the local stream remember the unusual fish pretty vividly,years later realised it looked very much as how grayling is described. Never caught another.
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Essentially, it’s been gone for a century
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/11099/the-last-grayling
  
  I think some whitebaiter or trout fisherman would have stumbled upon it by now.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:04am
  - Taieri
    
    I think some whitebaiter or trout fisherman would have stumbled upon it by now.
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    Strange things happen. The last season I caught a rainbow trout in the river which, I’ve been fishing regularly for the last 40 years and which, never had rainbows in it. This river has no connections to any rainbow waters and it’s been said that there’re no steelhead trout (sea run rainbow) in NZ. It looks like there are.
    
    The link to the grayling article:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/300701775/our-only-extinct-native-fish-was-more-ancient-than-we-knew
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This one?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/300701775/our-only-extinct-native-fish-was-more-ancient-than-we-knew
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:31am
artemisia

Herald Auckland mayoral debate – 2 mods ‘share their views’. Simon and Fran, no views from Liam though. Interesting that shared views on the win were similar – ‘jury is still out’, ‘too close to call’. Fair enough to stay on the fence, but those calls look like running scared of being wrong or influencing voters the wrong way.

Their opt in poll on who won the debate was decisive (33%:67%). Those who watched the debate and voted in the poll might be more likely to actually vote – 20.000 and counting.
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October 1, 2022 8:43am
- Mike H S
  
  33%:67%. To whom? I didn’t bother with the article.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:06am
  - artemisia
    
    33% was Collins. Issue was more the difference in the poll and the fence sitting of the mods.
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s time for the old chooks from the Kaiti Krochet Klub to get off our Kollective bums and apply for some Kulchural $$$$$.

We see $32 Million was up for grabs and 8 fellow hookers scored $659,520.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2022/09/30/eight-sisters-will-be-chuffed-after-landing-a-chunk-of-the-lolly-as-govt-finds-innovative-and-arty-ways-to-dish-out-32m/#more-17907

Full list of funded projects:
https://mch.govt.nz/covid-recovery/innovation-fund-recipients#kerikeri-project
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October 1, 2022 8:45am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I skimmed the list of projects. Almost all of them seemed to feature Maori, and none of them look like they offer any kind of value. Looks like a massive gifting of tax payer money by credulous bureaucrats to a bunch of bullshit artists.
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    This government have made it essential for Māori to be involved in every aspect of life. Now ministries are being caught up in the why is this all about Māori. Their hands have been tied, note even Orr is spoutTe Reo when he never use to
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:59am
  - Lummox
    
    I read through that list and it made me feel physically sick. That money you are throwing around used to be mine.
    
    The art of bludging tax dollars from hard working Kiwis is well established. There are people who know how to scam money for useless projects and I would not be surprised to find that it is the same people each year. Totally disgusting.
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Funded projects, I don’t understand. Seems to be mixed up with some mumbo jumbo
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:37am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Some moronic artwork edifice has been built beside the SH10 Kerikeri roundabout consisting of a huge steel maypole with its cables anchored by large rocks. No doubt cost heaps. No doubt we paid for it. Why???
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:19am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I see it cost $550k from the Provincial Growth Fund and is supposed to celebrate climate alarmism – presumably because its advocates have rocks in their heads:
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2020/08/04/taxpayer-funded-550k-sculpture-in-kerikeri-labelled-a-waste-by-critics/
    
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    October 1, 2022 1:34pm
CJames

There was a massive pothole up on the highway over the Kaimais. It took out a large number of cars. What is the bet this will be the excuse needed to lower speed limit on that road.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kaimai-chaos-massive-pothole-takes-out-convoy-of-cars/KVMHAJT2RIK5KMO3GMI44BZ3KI/
No doubt it was caused by National’s neglect of the highways//
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October 1, 2022 8:54am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  In Queensland the roads Authority is required to compensate any such incidents to the vehicle owners directly so they dont have to claim against their insurance & lose their no claim bonus.
  
  The view is that the reading authority is responsible for the state of the roads. Whereas NZTA admitted last week that they’d run down maintenance for 10 years to save money.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:16am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Which they are spending on bike lanes
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There’s a good point. How long to fix a pothole in a cycle lane?
      
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      October 1, 2022 10:38am
      - tf78
        
        Steve, make them bigger so they hopefully disappear in them.
        
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        October 1, 2022 11:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mr Waka Kotahi needs to get his arse up there and fix it pronto.
  Is this the same one, or one of many?
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/waka-kotahi-pays-more-than-4000-in-compensation-for-pothole-damage-in-bay-of-plenty/67TM7LZ5O72XYPRL3TEIQCCKFM/
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:45am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    The worse than useless buggers should be sacked. The lack of maintenance on those roads down there is disgraceful as I noted after our trip a few weeks ago.
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The damage is not just to tyres. It will be bent/buckled wheel rims, possible bent suspension parts (tie rods) Depending on the hit, power steering rack could be damaged. That means tow truck. Then wheel alignment.
  I know about this sort of stuff. Police could just close the road and inconvenience everyone. That will save a lot of damage claims to Waka Kotahi.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Add: This is not just a Government Department (Waka Kotahi) problem, it is the continuous series of events all over NZ, caused by a useless Labour Government. Minister of Transport is Michael Wood (say no more) Fill up his inbox.
    m.wood@ministers.govt.nz
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:58am
- Surely Knott
  
  Are pot holes neglect, or are they similar to speed humps deliberately left in the road, to stop people driving fast.
  
  The UN documents state kosovo has used potholes effectively as a traffic calming device.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maybe Waka Kotahi are digging potholes to slow traffic down? Slower traffic means less maintenance overall. Nothing surprises me anymore with this low rent Govt.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:02am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Cue renegade pothole filler squads. A La the dystopian themed Terry Gilliam movie Brazil!
    
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    October 2, 2022 9:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Simeone Brown posted on that very pot hole, he stated it was patched after a similar incident a month ago, he suggest the rain has lifted the patch which is bullshit, all they do is throw fill and tar seal in, that is not what they use to do, they use to pack the fill with cement, I bet anything cement has been removed, doing it the cheap way is as much use as just throwing gravel in the hole
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:03pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Can’t afford the cement as they now have to employ six men and two trucks to layout two kilometres of road cones to protect the two guys filling the hole.
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:55pm
- Sacha
  
  But no pics of the pothole itself?
  Or the ruined tyres?
  And no road cones?
  Maybe creative motorists?
  
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  October 1, 2022 1:44pm
alloytoo

An overseas view on current PM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO2WL5zGC08
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October 1, 2022 8:55am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I am astounded that UN speech was barely mentioned in NZ MSM. It is truly scary stuff.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:49am
  - Observer of Life
    
    I couldn’t sit thru Cindy’s speech. She’s just AWFUL!!
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:02am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Watch the whole lot, and you will realise how dangerous she is getting. We are at the scary stage.
      
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      October 1, 2022 12:12pm
    - Sacha
      
      Just as well I wasn’t there – I even booed at the video.
      
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      October 1, 2022 1:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If you did not hear it from Jaspinda, then it probably isn’t the truth.
  Things are getting very dangerous. Soon you will be censored for just saying your own name because Jaspinda does not want to hear it.
  History repeats. 1930s here we come.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Excellent video and analysis, cheers.
  
  These are the sort of people Ardern wants to shut down. She is a dangerous and fanatical tyrant.
  
  Top Climate Scientist Slams “Goebellian” Climate Alarm and “Ridiculous” Attempts to Demonise “Fertiliser” Carbon Dioxide
  
  Warming by carbon dioxide is logarithmic due to ‘saturation’ within the infrared spectrum, and any future doubling of the gas in the atmosphere will be associated with the same warming of around 1°C. This result is not considered controversial, argues atmospheric scientist and Emeritus Professor Richard Lindzen of MIT – although it might be noted that it is, since it fatally undermines the political ‘settled’ science concept of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. Professor Lindzen notes that the present “absurd ‘scientific’ narrative” leaves us with a quasi-religious movement – atop of all this has been the ”constant Goebellian repetition by the media of climate alarm”.
  
  https://dailysceptic.org/2022/09/28/top-climate-scientist-slams-goebellian-climate-alarm-and-ridiculous-attempts-to-demonise-fertiliser-carbon-dioxide/
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:13am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Blatant politicking in front of her natural supporters. The story is notable in that the actual winner is relegated to the last paragraph.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/arts/300702435/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-makes-surprise-appearance-at-world-of-wearableart
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October 1, 2022 8:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wearable Art is shit. We are playing ‘dressup’ again.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:13am
  - MCōs
    
    I went down to Wellington and watched the Wearable Art show a few years ago and was highly impressed.
    If it was ‘shit’ as you say it would have died a death a long time ago down in Nelson where it started in 2001.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:53am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I agree MCos. I mean, it’s all a bit batty, but it keeps them off the streets. As long as the contestants are using their own money then I say – go for it.
      
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      October 1, 2022 4:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jaspinda used her own money to wear some shit? Surprise visit my left tit. Air flights from Whenuapai, Govt BMW diesel. Shit, she is sort of abusing stuff quiet well. Jethro was there or babysitting?
        
        Ok Mods, many New Zealanders have had enough.
        Wearable Art is just another camera see me seem me see me. PHARK
        
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        October 1, 2022 6:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve never got WOW – The World of WearableArt, but it was regular must see for quite a few of my friends.
    
    In a strange quirk of retirement – one of the previous winners of numerous WOW awards is now my swimming buddy.
    
    https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/lifestyle/profile/20210613/flamboyance-in-the-basement/
    
    To see her creations close-up is a pretty fantastic experience; but to see her in the changing-room wearing fraying, holey singlets and shorts sewn up from old Tea-towels is a real crack-up.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One in four people in NZ is mentally unstable. Think of your three closest friends, if they seem OK, then you’re the one.//
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:08pm
blue collar

Speaking of extinction , why can’t humans just be another dead end species ??
What’s wrong with that ?
There’s been millions over the earths life .
But nup , we are going to try and maintain an atmosphere and temperature that suits our survival .
Good luck with that
So what if we kill purselves off or a volcano/meteor wipes us out . The earth will carry on , other life forms will exist and evolve .

So it’s not about saving the planet . The planets fine
It’s all about saving us .
The arrogance that we can …. We can’t …. The sun will destroy the planet one day .

Better hope musk sorts humanities long term survival out n ignore the green lunatics
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October 1, 2022 9:00am
- Benedict Yu
  
  People are not programmed to comprehend long time periods. Anatomically modern humans have been around for about 150,000 years. Dinasours were around for 160 million years. They became extinct over a few months.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:47am
  - thirteenstars
    
    All except the avians who survived and became our birds.
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:56am
  - Richard
    
    Can’t or won’t? Ive had some funny looks when I’ve told friends that humans will become extinct – there’s just no way we will live to see the end of Earth.
    
    “After the Sun exhausts the hydrogen in its core, it will balloon into a red giant, consuming Venus and Mercury. Earth will become a scorched, lifeless rock — stripped of its atmosphere, its oceans boiled off”.
    
    https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2021/04/ask-astro-what-will-happen-to-earth-when-the-sun-dies
    
    Now that’s a climate crisis!
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:56am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Someone tell the Greens, they’ll have a plan to fix it. It’ll be something to do with plastic bags or straws or something……..
      
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      October 1, 2022 11:03am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yep. Whatever we do, the planet will keep spinning for another 4 billion years or so,* after which it will be sucked into the massively expanding dying Sun, & that will be that.
  
  * unless demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    You don’t mean make way for a hyperspace bypass – it is a cycleway !
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:06am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    beware of the leopard!
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  To save ‘us’ we need to rid the planet of idiots and fuckwits. There is no other way.
  Yes, the planet has been through a lot of shit in the last 4.5 billion years, but the planet repairs itself. The planet will still exist long after the idiots and fuckwits have finished tampering with it – and mankind is long gone.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:17am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Humans have only been on the planet for 250k years and Human Civilisation for about 10k
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s the same arrogance and narcissism we see on a smaller scale with the insane drive to “capture time in a bottle” by “protecting” some species while slaughtering others who someone has decided is a “pest”. The same with plants. These people are in all reality eco terrorists driven by ideology rather than rational thought or logic. They are mad and they are dangerous.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:58am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s highly likely that Earth-originating intelligence will survive humanities extinction – most researchers see superintelligent AI coming in next 1-2 decades, and would only take a million years for AI to colonise every star in the galaxy (an issue of considerable curiosity for people thinking about the Fermi paradox). Good chance humans won’t survive more than a few decades once AI comes on the scene, and we’ll likely be altered hugely within a century or two of interacting with superintelligent AI even if it does turn out to be friendly/benign.
  
  Life is ultimately pointless, and doomed given that it appears the universe likewise doomed. But personally it seems like it is worth while trying to enable intelligence to continue entertaining itself in the universe for another few trillion years.
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:33pm
  - slijmbal
    
    @Urban – the myth of cracking AI has been around since the late 70s/early 80s when the Japanese poured large gobs of $ into research in to it and failed.
    
    The nonsense presented as AI today would be better summarised as complex, heuristic, self-learning algorithms. They are good at specialised jobs e.g. pattern matching and not any form of general autonomous intelligence.
    
    Predictions of true AI have stalled as “some time in the next 10-20 year” since the 80s with the target date continuously moving far enough out to encourage further funding.
    
    BTW if life is doomed please give me all your $ as it is ultimately pointless you keeping it 😉
    
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    October 1, 2022 2:12pm
    - Dougal10
      
      AI is a bit useless when the plug is pulled.
      
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      October 1, 2022 7:29pm
infused

No mention of this in nz https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-zealand-prime-minister-condemned-calling-regulate-free-speech-weapon-war-un
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October 1, 2022 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The worst weapons of war we have to face are Tyrannists such as Jaspinda.
  She is starting to show her true colours, becoming very dangerous on the World Stage.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:25am
- mogg
  
  If climate denial is to be forbidden on the internet, presumably by law. How far would this law extend;
  conversation in public/private , around the dinner table, overheard on a bus.
  After winning a free and fair election in Italy, NZ media have been describing Gabriella Meloni as, far right, authoritarian, fascist. While Ardern is admired
  for trying to save the world.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mogg – we in NZ are genuinely living in 1984. Up is down, east is west, black is white, 2=2 = 5. She is a very, very dangerous woman.
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:26am
JJ56

“Jacinda Ardern gave a speech to the UN last Friday which has suddenly gone viral in an Ebola kind of way. ” 🙂

h/t Joanne Nova https://joannenova.com.au/2022/10/jacinda-ardern-calls-for-a-global-ministry-of-truth-to-stop-disinformation-weapon/
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October 1, 2022 9:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yes. Captured here, “Supreme Leader of NZ”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyXXFPP3law
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rukshan did a good job. The comments are also good.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:31am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    
    Very funny but still bloody hard to listen to the audio for more than 5 secs.
    
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    October 2, 2022 8:19pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  NZ MSM must have concluded that they gave Jaxxie too much coverage when she rocked up there last time with baby in tow, so in the interest of balance decided not to cover this speech. Or something.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I think you nailed it there. “or something”.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:27am
3-coil

Why does racist meathead Hon Kelvin Davis, think that an “apology” changes anything? He hasn’t rescinded what he said, so he is still evidently a grade-A racist pig. The crap that he spewed to ACT maori mp revealed the true level of toxic racism that is totally natural in his simplistic idiot racist head.

The delicious irony is the attention drawn to Ms Chhoud’s lovely bronze/brown natural complexion vs the ridiculous flushed pink porcine hue of Hon Kelvin Davis… Own-goal Kelvin! He didn’t think that one through, I can see why they call him Special-K

The deputyLeader of the NZ Labour Party is an unreconstructed racist, and that is problematic. To be a Labour supporter right now shows tolerance of racism.
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October 1, 2022 9:08am
- G152
  
  And since he WAS a teacher we can see where and why that system has failed.
  Kelvin is a racist, a bigot and deserves to be the butt of jokes
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:50am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  His apology was bullshit, he doubled down outside parliament just before he apologised
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:07pm
kowtow

We’re being pushed to think Ian , the latest hurricane, portends the end of the world .

I wonder what they thought of the Labor Day hurricane which killed over 400 in 1935.
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October 1, 2022 9:21am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Or the Galveston hurricane in 1900 that killed 8000.
  
  That part of the world has been hit by hurricanes for millenia. Some seasons quiet. Some not quiet.
  
  Last night I watched footage of hurricane Andrew in 1992. Way worse than Ian.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:37am
  - Taieri
    
    I was in Galveston during hurricane Allen in 1980. Some experience it was indeed!
    Had the doubtful pleasure of going through 2 cyclones in Australia, including one of Cat 4 – cyclone Billy on Xmas 2008 and 1 typhoon in the Sea of Japan since. I won’t loose any sleep at night if I never see another one. But then again, when I spent some time in the sub-antarctic waters in the 1980’s we used to get the good weather warnings down there:)
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hurricane ‘Ian’ is actually Trump’s fault according to The View//
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIbmInrrBHc
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Watching Fox gave all the facts, this is only the 4th worst hurricane to hit Florida. Today rotten media are trying to say the now Cat 1 hurricane which hit the Carolina’s will end up the most expensive clean up in history, once again more bullshit, 40 billion in Florida, some flood damage in the Carolina’s yet Fox had the 4 most expensive fixes and Katrina was a cost of 185 billion and that was 20 years ago almost, the top 4 were all well over 100 billion
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:12pm
Benedict Yu

It is encouraging that Jacinda’s speech to the UN advocating for censorship is receiving considerable coverage in the media internationally.

https://youtu.be/XO2WL5zGC08

In New Zealand nothing.
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October 1, 2022 9:40am
- Surely Knott
  
  Thanks for the share. Great interview. Where are our media and academics who study totalitarianism and will fight for freedom of speech.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Our media are busy covering it up and creating diversions.
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:30pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Well that’s an example here of paid for censorship in action – isn’t it?
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BY – indeed, I’ve already watched 6 videos and read 4 articles from right around the globe. All share the same theme. Ardern is a dangerous tyrant. She is a fascist.
  
  This article from NZ doctor Emmanuel Garcia is yet another excellent one that is on point.
  
  This week New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern spoke to the United Nations General Assembly. Her address was remarkable. The same person who ordered an invasion of peaceful protesters at Parliament earlier this year, had the chutzpah to say:
  
  “In Aotearoa New Zealand, we deeply value our right to protest. Some of our major social progress has been brought about by hikoi or people power – becoming the first country in the world to recognise women’s right to vote, movement on major indigenous and human rights issues to name but a few.”
  
  She then continued to call for a campaign of global censorship comprising governmental alliances in partnership with the private sector, for the purpose of combating “mis and disinformation”, which she characterized as weapons of war.
  
  Worth reading in full.
  
  https://www.globalresearch.ca/greatest-disinformation-threat-no-information/5795046
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Watched Fox last night, they replayed the call between HDA and the silly little girl who was rubbishing people for flying to Fiji when asked where she holidayed and she said Fiji also, bwhahahahaha
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:15pm
Tasman devil

Having spent a fortnight in Manhattan you soon realise all the media spotlight of Stuff and the NZ Herald on the Prime Muppet’s diplomatic forays there is such utter crap.

We were there when she allegedly visited.

We never saw anything in the local media about
her; everybody thought New Zealand was a state of Australia.

NZ is in a bloody mess and our Prime Muppet
parades fashion in Wellington while a brazen
robbery occurs at a shopping mall in front of
customers.

We felt safe the whole time in Manhattan, but not in New Zealand.

Petrol was a quarter of what we pay.

A bottle of water at JFK airport was a dollar.At Auckland airport this morning it was $5.

The States is not perfect but everybody we mixed with there had a can do attitude, whereas Kiwis want to have conversations and be aspirational.

Socialism is wrecking New Zealand.
Dump our idiot Cinderella poser PM next year or we go the way of South American countries.
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October 1, 2022 9:55am
- Inandout
  
  Td, we seem well on our way to rival NY city.
  https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/greg-gutfeld-new-york-city-kids-therapy-due-constant-state-panic-seeing-real-horrors
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:11am
- thirteenstars
  
  You’re right. The United States is one of the few countries that has consistently managed to combine high income with low prices, and through most of its history.
  
  This is what creates a huge middle class which is the strength of any society: independent people who don’t need the state except for law and order purposes.
  
  But as the middle class has become gutted our society has degenerated to the point that middle class welfare is a policy platform for all parties. Once the middle has been captured by the state, the game’s over.
  
  NZ is going the same way as Britain with its high cost of living and enormous state support mechanisms. The US still has a viable and very large middle class but that too is under attack. And it has competitive federalism where every state can offer its own unique set of economic and cultural imperatives giving regular folks real alternatives to the one size fits all domination of NZ central government.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:24am
  - cmm
    
    Some of that is caused by taking on massive debt. Just the US federal debt (ie. excluding all state debt, municipal debt and personal debt) is at around 30 trillion dollars (almost $100k per person).
    
    They take on enough debt to give each family a new car every second year. That’s going to create a distorted sense of wealth.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:33am
    - thirteenstars
      
      That’s an old anti-American trope. You don’t get to be the wealthiest civilisation this planet has ever seen by simply taking on debt.
      
      The American juggernaut was built well before the current debt levels existed, and which exist in most countries.
      
      You might like to explain how government debt ensures the low prices that Americans tend to enjoy and why high debt levels in other countries don’t result in such low prices and high wages.
      
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      October 1, 2022 11:03am
      - cmm
        
        Correct, that is not how they GOT there, but that is how they are blowing some of their legacy.
        
        They need the debt to keep the juggernaut going.
        
        Which low prices do you speak of? Subsidies keep some prices down (eg. food), but many prices are going through the roof.
        
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        October 1, 2022 2:33pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Which low prices do you speak of? Subsidies keep some prices down (eg. food), but many prices are going through the roof”
        
        All prices. Take 100 basic products and nearly all of them will be far cheaper in the US. Inflation is no worse in the US than it is here.
        
        Are you seriously suggesting that the US government borrows vast sums to subsidise prices and that’s why prices are generally far lower there than here? Or that government borrowing in the US makes wages higher there? If so, then explain why countries that borrow as much or more than the US don’t have the same low prices and high wages.
        
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        October 1, 2022 3:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You made it so simple, that the simple people just don’t understand.
    Phuck!
    
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    October 1, 2022 6:23pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Sadly though people blame Luxon, she will scrap in again because of stupidity.
  By the way, I have been in NY. We got off a ferry at Pier 24 I think, in 2003, the bullshit global warming sceptics said Manhattan would be under water by 2006, I guess the water is still in exactly the same place at said pier, or did you need a snorkel 😃
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:19pm
  - cmm
    
    “I guess the water is still in exactly the same place at said pier”
    
    That is the sort of disinformation that Cindy wants to stamp out!
    
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    October 1, 2022 2:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Venezuela (or similar) is exactly what Jaspinda wants. Total control by one person – her.
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shit, only 8 upticks. I thought I would get 5 million upticks from the team – you know the team.
    Oh boy, the numbers are not good.
    
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    October 1, 2022 6:28pm
thirteenstars

Exploding public sector employee numbers and salaries reported by the Taxpayers’ Union:

Since 2017, there has been explosion in the number of highly paid public servants – with Stuff reporting that the number of public servants earning, sorry, being paid, more than $100,000 is 28%.

The increase has coincided with an increase in the number of workers, from 48,000 to 62,000 between 2017 and 2021.

[National MP, Simeon Brown] said some agencies had “substantial growth” in the proportion of workers earning $100,000 and more, such as the Ministry of Pacific Peoples, that increased from 29.3% to 65%.

…those who defend government spending often say that the government needs to pay a lot to attract doctors, nurses, and those who provide public services. But the figures above are only for the “core public sector agencies” – that doesn’t include Police, teachers, doctors, or nurses, rather just those in the Ministries (which is basically administration and policy wonks in Wellington).

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/taxpayers_update_mahuta_probe_september_2022
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October 1, 2022 9:59am
rockape

What’s going on with the NZ dollar? I thought it was the pound in trouble.
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October 1, 2022 10:05am
- rockape
  
  The New Zealand dollar is 22% overvalued on a current account basis, according to the Institute of International Finance (IIF).
  As a benchmark example, the Kiwi dollar, trading above US57 cents at the time of writing, should be below US45c, according to the IIF’s calculations.
  
  Today it’s sub 50 pence and going down like Labours polling ! See x rates Nz dollar v pound.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:11am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Which will further fuel inflation.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:15am
    - rockape
      
      And increase our debt repayments.
      
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      October 1, 2022 10:31am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    How are we going to afford new EVs with the NZD at 0.45 USD? 😭
    
    I’ll need to keep my 2002 Toyota Celica. ☹️
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:30am
    - cmm
      
      No, you will have to take the bus.
      
      Plenty of seats available.
      
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      October 1, 2022 10:38am
      - Taieri
        
        No, you will have to take the bus.
        
        Plenty of seats available.
        ————
        
        But the frequency has been halved. At least down south.
        
        I was in Queenstown recently. Very impressed with the bus service there although not impressed with its frequency.
        
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        October 1, 2022 11:21am
      - cmm
        
        Here in Chch they just had to cut a third of their buses because they can’t find the drivers.
        
        Nobody will notice. It is extremely rare to see a bus with more than 10 people on it. Most of the time it it has 2 or less passengers.
        
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        October 1, 2022 2:38pm
      - kowtow
        
        No comrades , there are plenty of buses and plenty of proles available to be harnessed into pulling them along tram lines , once the oil , gas ,petrol , electricity supply runs out .
        
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        October 1, 2022 3:36pm
  - cmm
    
    Good for me. I get some income in pounds.
    
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    October 1, 2022 2:36pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Labour has overseen the growth of an absolutely colossal balance of trade deficit as they have wrecked export industries – nearly $30 billion a year (8% of GDP) in offshore debt that we need to entice offshore investors to cover. That’s pushed NZD down fast, which will feed import driven inflation. Everyone in NZ has had a 20% pay cut relative to USA (10% relative to Aus) in last year thanks to Labour. Get your money offshore if you can.
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:17pm
- Prince
  
  Odd how the TV News people run stories about the UKPound devaluing, and ignore he same thing happening in their own backyard.
  Well, not so odd really, just BAU.
  
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  October 1, 2022 1:14pm
Maggie Pie

OMG…slept in this morning! Soo lucky it’s not tomorrow.

The 9th Floor is pulling out all stops to have this meme removed.
Watch before it’s too late 😀

https://twitter.com/therealrukshan/status/1575657461230768128
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October 1, 2022 10:06am
- JJ56
  
  In seriousness, did like the follow on comment:
  
  “How do you believe the Science when one cannot Question it?”
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:17am
  - cmm
    
    Science is not science unless it is questioned.
    
    Real science is not something static that is discovered, then put on a pedestal. Real science gets tested, and re-tested, and re-tested, until it breaks or its limitations are found when it is then either discarded or tweaked to be consistent again….until further testing breaks it again.
    
    Science that is not questioned is religion.
    
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    October 1, 2022 10:37am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Tested, retested, and retested – like the Covid Vaccine you mean?
      
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      October 1, 2022 10:52am
      - cmm
        
        Like the latest one.
        
        Tested for safety on 8 mice… which all got CV19 anyway.
        
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        October 1, 2022 2:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is all over the internet thingy. Came up on my Facebook, posted from friends in Alaska of all places.
  Jaspinda will not stop this, censor it if you can! – even if YouTube takes it down. About time something bit her arse.
  
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  October 1, 2022 10:56am
Maggie Pie

And thort this worth sharing with the group…..

Tatiana (our cleaning lady I’ve told you about) has only just txt to say she has inside info from her sister who fled to Poland, that Ukraine’s request to join NATO has been denied.
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October 1, 2022 10:45am
- MCōs
  
  Does that top inside info from the Wynyard Quarter?
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:01am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    How come you never get to share any inside goss from Thailand, Cossie?
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:23am
    - MCōs
      
      There’s none.
      It’s all out in the open & completely uninteresting if one doesn’t have some knowledge of local affairs.
      
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      October 1, 2022 10:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  I heard Russia are applying to join NATO.
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:43am
Ghost

Oh can this be done with some politicians and other media too please

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/auckland-mayoral-candidate-wayne-brown-caught-on-camera-saying-he-wants-to-glue-pictures-of-prick-journalist-on-urinals-so-people-can-pee-on-him.html

Auckland Mayoral candidate Wayne Brown has been caught on camera calling an NZ Herald journalist a “prick”, saying he was going to glue “little pictures of him on all the urinals” so people could “pee on him” if elected.

Brown made the comments while Newshub was filming with him this week and were played during Newshub Nation’s Auckland Mayoral debate on Saturday.

His comments were directed at NZ Herald journalist Simon Wilson
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October 1, 2022 10:52am
- Paulus
  
  He is quite right the Herald and its staff are all crap, so many will agree with him despite the move by the crap press to denigrate him in case he might win the Auckland Mayoralty against the Labour Party Candidate.
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:11am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Love it!! Time for a pricks gallery there?
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:28am
- Nickc2
  
  Well, once again the MSM have nailed their colours (Labour Party) to the mast.
  This is yet another reason to never trust the bastards eh?
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:04pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  don’t subscribe, so can’t open it, but I presume Simon Wilson is the prick in question? I like the solution, can we have stickers of John “Marvellous” campbell, Paddy Gower, and of course Jessica and then Tova, to go with them
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:09pm
- CJames
  
  If Wayne Brown’s comments about Simon Wilson are reported correctly, I think there are many who would agree. The “reporter” is notoriously biased. Maybe as mayor, Wayne could raise income by letting people pay for the privilege of using the urinal
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:14pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well now I know who I’ll be voting for in the Auckland Mayoral race! Good man Wayne. You’re a fine judge of character!
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:45pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I guess that these hit jobs by the Herald and Newshub mean Brown is doing well.
  
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  October 1, 2022 2:28pm
- I remember when
  
  Ghost:
  Wayne would have to stand at the back of a very long line.
  
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  October 1, 2022 3:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Anybody remember Covid restrictions? Mandatory scanning in entry to shops, office & restaurants? RAT testing kits?

All seems a long time ago.
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October 1, 2022 11:06am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I went to the doctor yesterday. It was quite odd wearing a mask again. I didn’t have one with me so they gave me one.
  
  BTW it is interesting watching the people still wearing masks. The ones who are permanently terrified. Yesterday I spotted an elderly couple walking their dog. Walking along a street with not another person in sight. Both wearing masks. I feel sorry for them. And there is one person to blame for doing this to those folk.
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Was the dog wearing a mask?
    I have seen a dog-about-town wearing a mask – but think it was someone taking the p…s – hopefully……..
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:52am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Even at the height of the madness when visiting my doctor as soon we got into his room he would tell me I could take my mask off as it was doing me no good anyway.
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:56am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Wish that my doctor was that supportive (don’t want to say intelligent because he is pretty intelligent, just not rebellious enough).
      
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      October 1, 2022 7:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One person to blame, and the elderly couple will vote for her – such is the ingrained fear.
    
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    October 1, 2022 11:59am
  - kowtow
    
    Sorry , but with the amount of money tax payers have put into a universal education system over many years , there is no excuse for such stupidity
    and while I take your point , we are ultimately responsible for our own actions.
    
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    October 1, 2022 1:27pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      It’s precisely the amount of money spent by the government and its effective monopoly on education that is precisely responsible for the stupidity.
      
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      October 1, 2022 3:25pm
  - WaynelSexton
    
    It was interesting watching you guys role play a pandemic for two years straight.
    
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    October 1, 2022 1:44pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It will be a very long time before I ever forget any of it and those responsible.
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:46pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  No it doesn’t. It seems like it was yesterday and it will never be forgotten.
  
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  October 1, 2022 1:00pm
- wilderbeast
  
  And so ridiculously unecessary….
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:10pm
colina

Another example of the deluded fantasy world Ardern and Co live in

AN (ALMOST BELIEVABLE) NEW BRIEF FOR THE ENVIRONMENT MINISTRY

http://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/an-almost-believable-new-brief-for-the-environment-ministry

Ardern went on to unpack the new strategy for controlling inflation. “The Ministry of the Environment will oversee the planting of one billion trees by 2050, the same year that New Zealand has committed to attaining net zero carbon emissions. Consultants have assured me that this will be a far more effective tool for controlling inflation than manipulating the cash rate.
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October 1, 2022 11:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

Which of our Journalists will be able to discern misinformation from the Truth?

Karl Du Fresne dissects a blatant abuse of media power by Newshub.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/karl-du-fresne-when-political-journalism-morphs-into-crude-emotional-blackmail
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October 1, 2022 11:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  Which of “our journalists”?
  I think you mean which of “her journalists”.
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I was trying to avoid using a sexist pronoun…
    
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    October 1, 2022 1:33pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Karl’s reference to Lynch “hubris-afflicted media assassins”. Gold!
  
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  October 1, 2022 2:26pm
Maggie Pie

See where ‘VELOCITY’ are reporting Lower Hutt has suffered one of the biggest drops in the property market….falling nearly 19% from the beginning of the year!

Haven’t heard from bestie ‘milkey’ for a while, either.
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October 1, 2022 11:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Has milkey transitioned?
  
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  October 1, 2022 11:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    He’s morphed into riffer!
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:19pm
    - wilderbeast
      
      😂
      
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      October 1, 2022 8:09pm
Benedict Yu

KO tenancy manager to tenant: “Why have you not been answering my calls?”

Tenant: “My boyfriend sold it to buy drugs. And my bike.”

KO tenancy manager: “You need a new boyfriend.”

Tenant: “But he looks after me.”

🙁
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October 1, 2022 11:44am
- kowtow
  
  And still has a bike.
  
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  October 1, 2022 1:29pm
Benedict Yu

Woman and her two kids have been living in motel for 18 months. Finally gets a new KO house.

Tenant to KO tenancy manager: We need higher fences. Al least 2 metres.

KO tenancy manager: Why?

Tenant: We are getting a dog and we are going to breed her. When she is in season the dogs from the neighbourhood will jump over the fences to get to her.

KO tenancy manager: No. We house people not dogs.

Tenant: I am going to take this up with your manager.

KO tenancy manager: You do that.

🙂
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October 1, 2022 11:51am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden trying to heat things up? He already interfered with the pipeline – promised he would.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/ukrainian-mp-is-convinced-nuclear-war-is-imminent/?
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October 1, 2022 11:55am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Pipeline explosions were likely due to incompetent Russian maintenance causing a Methane Hydrate Plug, which when they tried to remove it (or more likely them as there’s probably lots of them) it blew up and the plug blew a hole in the Pipeline.
  Not sure they will be working for quite some time
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:06pm
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/30/nord-stream-blasts-size-equal-to-large-amount-of-explosive-un-told
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:26pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      You lost me at “Guardian” and “UN”.
      
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      October 1, 2022 1:03pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Methane hydrate would need oxygen to explode – none down there.
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:41pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
      
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      October 1, 2022 4:06pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        The comments make the same point. No oxygen = no explosion.
        
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        October 1, 2022 6:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One leak is understandable. Now there are four.
    Joe promised he would do it.
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:41pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Joe doesn’t have the competence.
      
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      October 1, 2022 6:24pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    🤡
    
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    October 1, 2022 12:50pm
  - kowtow
    
    If there’s one thing the Ivans seem to do very well , it’s incompetence .
    
    I go with that theory.
    
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    October 1, 2022 1:31pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  How DARE you!
  
  https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1575515625430159365
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:10pm
I remember when

Central Leader: Addressing inequities for Maori: ACC Maori health manager Eldon Paea.
“Opinion:
My mum lives in Nuhaka, a small town in the Wairoa district with a general store, primary school and a fish & chip shop.
Nuhaka has six marae, with the largest being Kahungunu.
To visit her GP, mum has to travel 40 minutes and, if she needed specialist care two and a half hours to HB Hospital- assuming whanau were available to take her.
This is an issue for many Maori and we see it reflected in statistics.”

This is true but largely misleading –
(1) The travel times appear to be a the upper limits.
(2) Gisborne Hospital is about an hour away.
(3) The facts are the same regardless of ethicity.
(4) This is the reality of rural and small town New Zealand and not a reflection of ethnicity.
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October 1, 2022 12:07pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Very well put. Pakeha in South Westland face far longer travel times to get to a hospital – is that racist too?
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:08pm
I remember when

Bush Telegraph: Painting firm top in New Zealand.
Martin Beveridge Ltd won the 2022 NZ Master Painter of the Year.
This is the second time the firm have been successful after previously winning in 2010.
They are one of only three firms to win the award twice.

Great to see a Maori owned and operated, now second generation, commercial enterprise continuing to lead the way.
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October 1, 2022 12:17pm
Gravelroad

Have been reading the latest newsletter from Casey Costello, Trustee, Hobson’s Pledge which focuses on the racist and sexist attack by senior Labour Party “leader”, Kelvin Davis, on Karen Chhour.
Below is an excerpt:
“Let us not forget that Kelvin Davis, before Labour came into Government, made it a bottom line that he would resign from Parliament if Charter Schools were scrapped. Charter Schools were quickly scrapped under the Labour Government and, demonstrating the backbone of an invertebrate, Kelvin fell silent on his bottom line, with his forty pieces of silver including the deputy leadership.”

Is there anyone in the Parliamentary Labour Party who has a shred of integrity still in working order?
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October 1, 2022 12:19pm
- Cassandra
  
  No. I suspect your question was rhetorical.
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Integrity’ is another word redacted from the Labour Working Manual.
  
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  October 1, 2022 12:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The crowd does not like one of the nastiest women in the World. You are finished crooked Nancy.
https://uniteamericafirst.com/nancy-pelosi-receives-resounding-chorus-of-boos-from-her-own-people/?
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October 1, 2022 1:06pm
Loddenthinks

Sad news for people who hate to see animals mistreated. at least a dozen horses were removed from the property of Donegal House in Kaikoura this week. Showing clear signs of malnutrition, they were removed by the SPCA with vets in attendance, and should make a good recovery.

Some 3 or 4 years ago my wife and I stayed on the property for a night in our motorhome – they have a fairly good area set aside with power, and we could use the toilets and showers too. During a stroll, my wife noticed a horse visibly lame and looking in some discomfort. she pointed it out to the owner who dismissed her concerns and said the horse was fine. Seeing the reports, she regrets not advising the SPCA, but we’re not horsey people and didn’t know if it was serious or not.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/129966284/at-least-12-horses-seized-from-kaikura-harness-racing-breeders-property-on-welfare-grounds
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October 1, 2022 1:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  might be sad for the horses, but hopefully good news for some lucky dogs!
  
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  October 1, 2022 1:18pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Horses are damned expensive animals to keep. Their hooves require expert farrier work every six weeks. They are susceptible to stomach parasites and require anthelmintics about every eight weeks. They require grooming at least three times per week. Ideally, their fencing should be post and rails.
  If that sort of care is beyond you, get some other animals to chew your grass. And if that sort of care is beyond you then the SPCA must come down on you like a tonne of bricks.
  
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  October 1, 2022 1:59pm
Alan Wilkinson

I see the NZ$ is down 10% against the AU$ in 12 months. Haven’t noticed our intrepid MSM holding the Govt to account on that?
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October 1, 2022 1:40pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Most of the currencies are well down against the US$ which has taken off.
  
  Aus/GBP/Yen/Canadian all well down
  
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  October 1, 2022 5:48pm
Maggie Pie

TRTENDING….

I see where someone by the name of Jason Gillies has been pepper-spayed at the Hastings Paki ‘n Save this morning 🙁

https://twitter.com/PodiumofTruth/status/1575940811186839553

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October 1, 2022 2:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kelvin Davis eviscerated:

On Wednesday I discovered a new hero, something that is rare in New Zealand at the moment.

ACT’s Karen Chhour demonstrated what it means to be a proud, dignified New Zealander who also represents Maoridom in a manner which is inspiring.

In her fight to protect the rights of vulnerable children, she was attacked by an individual that can only be described as a bully and a thug.

Supported by the derisive laughter of his peers, Kelvin Davis attempted to belittle the ACT MP, not by challenging the facts at issue, but by attacking her identity.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/casey-costello-how-dare-you-kelvin-i-stand-with-karen
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October 1, 2022 2:37pm
- wilderbeast
  
  Dead right. Of course David Seymour and Simon Bridges are also not Maori according to the Labour Party.
  
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  October 1, 2022 8:06pm
Lexicon

I can’t wait till we can say, “Kelvis has left the building.”
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October 1, 2022 3:57pm
Maggie Pie

I flew VIRGIN once. Never again…..

https://twitter.com/transwomyn/status/1575442393867902982
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October 1, 2022 4:16pm
- Littletramp
  
  No longer eligible?
  
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  October 1, 2022 4:48pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Yep, once is enough; gone forever.
  
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  October 1, 2022 9:23pm
Maggie Pie

And can’t see Goof getting Liz Truss’s approval as… ‘our-man-in-London’.
Can you?

She looks a smart sort of cookie to me.

Just saying.
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October 1, 2022 4:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Truss should grab him by the pussy
  
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  October 1, 2022 6:31pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    That would make his day for sure.
    
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    October 1, 2022 9:16pm
wilderbeast

Looping back to the Ardern preso at the UN here’s a serious question: would her definition of “disinformation” capture much of the debate on Kiwiblog? For example those who question whether the lockdown was justified or the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine. Serious question…
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October 1, 2022 8:02pm
- rouppe
  
  Like this gem?
  
  https://fb.watch/fUPBW8spKX/
  
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