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Yvette

In the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, some scholars and others transformed the Aryans into a mythical “race” that they claimed was superior to other races. In Germany, the Nazis promoted this false notion that glorified the German people as members of the “Aryan race,” while denigrating Jews, Black people, and Roma and Sinti (Gypsies) as “non-Aryans.” [1]

“Denigrating Jews, Black people, and Roma and Sinti (Gypsies) as non-Aryans” was the thin edge of the wedge, the crime against humanity, ending in the utter horror of the Holocaust.
“Dehumanizing people through negative language” is obviously racism.

But the collateral action, that “promoted this false notion that glorified the German people as members of the ‘Aryan race’,” what was that called?

Does Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon have a word for that?
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[1] https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/aryan-1
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September 29, 2022 8:02am
- Andrei
  
  Ironically “Aryan” is derived from the same root as “Iranian” – not many people know that
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:16am
  - Rusty
    
    Andrei – The Aryan master race concept has its origins in Eastern religions particularly in India.
    
    The Nazis twisted and mixed it all around adding in the occult and Viking mythology.
    
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    September 29, 2022 8:54am
  - Yvette
    
    Andrei, I bet Michael Caine does
    
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    September 29, 2022 8:59am
  - Jack5
    
    If you want the history of the word Aryan – its entymology – go to the link below.
    
    Even some Iranians, such as the former Shah, seemed to have adopted the meaning broadened by German scholars from early in the 20th century. He told a (White) American oil executive: “You know we are the same race as you.”
    
    “Indo-European” is a distinct term, applied to languages that descend from that of a people of the Russian/Ukrainian Steppes. Its range covers most European languages except Finnish, Hungarian, and Estonian, then eastwards to Persian, Kurdish, and Hindi.
    
    https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=Aryan
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:30am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s easier to denigrate the “others” after you elevate your own “people” to a higher position.
  Ultimately this creates resentment, which is a very corrosive thing for social cohesion.
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:53am
  - surfing
    
    What happens when the ‘others’ are 85% of the population?
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:13am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      What happens Surfing ? An almighty backlash eventually occurs leaving the exulted minority in a far worse position than they started with.
      
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      September 29, 2022 9:30am
    - Nickc2
      
      Now that’s something we can look forward to eh?
      We’ll have 15% of the population lording it over 85% of us. That’s going to work well, isn’t it? Let’s not mention Maori Tribes fighting among themselves to have the greatest say in Governance.
      Last night, I watched Andrew Bolt (SKY News Aust) ask Winston Peters what he thought about starting all this kind of stuff off by anointing Ardern.
      Winston must have used every word in the English Language to try to obfuscate the question but in the end, he suggested that NZers should be thankful his mob served as a Hand Brake on Ardern’s mob.
      
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      September 29, 2022 9:31am
    - kowtow
      
      The 15 % are not one voice and that 85 % is very fractured too.
      
      Divide and rule .
      
      Our Media lurv to point to ” the era of Brexit and Trump” as if they’re the only ones with problems .
      
      Another classic strategy ; distraction ,look over there .
      
      And then we have rule by fear ;
      
      climate catastrophism and more recently covid catastrophism.
      
      Etc etc
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:06am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The Maori Sports “policy” on Te Pati Maori’s website is not jus racist, it’s laughably false.
  
  Any time somebody prefaces something as “a known fact” you can be 100% sure it’s bullshit, and will have no evidence to support it. That’s certainly true for the claim that It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others., especially when you understand that no Maori has 100% Maori “genetic makeup”.
  
  It gets worse – hilariously worse. The claim is also made, presumably with a straight face, that Māori invented many sports prior to European arrival. Running, Swimming, Fishing, Waka, Hunting, ……. to name a few.
  
  So there you go – nobody ever hunted before Maori invented it (probably thought it up on those long sea voyages back from discovering the South Pole and Antarctica).
  Nobody ever ran in a running race, despite there being evidence of sprint races at the very first Olympic Games in 776 BC, and nobody knew how to swim!
  
  https://www.maoriparty.org.nz/maori_sports
  
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  September 29, 2022 2:41pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Serious question.
    
    How pure does your Mori blood have to be for you to enjoy this “stronger” Maori genetic makeup?
    
    If one of your eight great grandparents was pure Maori, would you only have 1/8th of this “stronger” Maori genetic makeup?
    
    Or does a single drop of Maori blood in your veins do the trick?
    
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    September 29, 2022 2:59pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That’s the trouble when one group of folks wants to play the superior genetic game…
      
      What happens when your pure lines become diluted/polluted/contaminated with the genetic material of INFERIOR/WEAKER folk?
      
      Mr Hitler’s regime had an answer…… It classified folks into: Full bloods and Mischlings (Grade 1 & 2)
      
      and provided helpful little charts….
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling#/media/File:Nuremberg_laws_Racial_Chart.jpg
      
      Considering that well over 60% of Maori children have mixed-ethnicity parentage, I foresee a problem with folks espousing superiority of Maori genes.
      
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      September 29, 2022 4:24pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Which brings us back to the question of what is a Maori?
        Is it your blood?
        Is it your state of mind?
        
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        September 29, 2022 5:15pm
Maggie Pie

Kelvin X

https://twitter.com/Africa_Archives/status/1574848047095463941
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September 29, 2022 8:04am
kiwikidsnz

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/09/29/they-call-it-democracy-but-theyre-lying/

Chris Trotter is on point today
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September 29, 2022 8:15am
- rouppe
  
  Wow, even the Daily Blog is having cracks at Jacinda…
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:17am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  May I recommend Chris Trotter’s article to you all.
  I believe it is one of his best.
  
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  September 29, 2022 4:27pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    And he followed it on the same day with this even better one on Kelvin Davis
    
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2022/09/29/reality-bites/
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:33pm
    - Keith White
      
      That would be “Talcum Davix?”
      
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      September 29, 2022 11:22pm
Clyde

The words of that useless fool, Kelvin Davis, in the House and repeated outside it, are racist. They are clearly linked to being questioned about the use of public money being spent by a Charitable Trust for the private use of an individual. That, presumably, is part of the maori world. Well it isn’t part of the NZ that I want to be part of. When is NZ going to stand up and say we have had enough?
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September 29, 2022 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  Yes , this cabinet minister is making a very strong point that public accountablity for public money is not part of the maori ‘lens ‘.
  
  Does this help us understand the thinking behind the Mahuta contracts .
  
  Is this the new style of ‘democracy’ that W Jackson , another cabinet member has in mind .
  
  These people and their cabinet and party colleagues who are comfortable with this are either very naive or very dangerous race and political extremists .
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:47am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Oddly enough though, I think if certain Maori are negatively affected by a lack of accountability being applied (especially from a decision by Maori for Maori), you would witness much bleating about ‘accountability’.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:13am
- RoboRob
  
  Probably 90% are un informed and have no idea of what really is going on. Probabably, because I am biased, a higher % of labour voters are uninformed.
  
  For those that are informed, challanging Kelvin and his mates is ‘racist’.
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:54am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Davis never has the answers therefore his only response is personal attacks. his lack of answers is because his lack of doing the work.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Eugenics is alive and kicking in the Maori Party:

I thought we’d never have a political party elected to our Parliament that openly and casually preached racial supremacy. I thought we all believed in being born free and equal, as Prime Minister Fraser signed up to in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but unfortunately there is a party in this Parliament that openly and casually declares racial supremacy, and I’m calling today on their leaders to stop it. Here it is for all to see on the website of Te Paati Māori: “It is a known fact that the Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.” Let me say that again:. “It is a known fact that the Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”

From 2 min into David Seymour’s GD

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20220928_20220928_20/tab/video?page=12&mode=form
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September 29, 2022 8:25am
- Swifty
  
  “It is a known fact that the Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”
  
  For goodness sake, what does that even mean?
  
  Stronger in what way? Measured how? Compared to whom?
  
  Good god, can you just imagine what sort of thought processes must be loose and running around within the Maori Party for someone to write such a statement and have it approved for posting to their website.
  
  I’m genuinely speechless.
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:40am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Agree Swifty –
    If this is proven (that “It is a known fact that the Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”) how come Maori health stats show the opposite is true?
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:32am
    - Sacha
      
      Which parts of the genetic make-up?
      Imagination?
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:09am
    - rouppe
      
      Or that this generic superiority meant that while other peoples had developed the written word, metallurgy, and mechanical devices such as pulleys and clocks, Maori hadn’t discovered the wheel, still used stone tools, got about in hollowed out logs, and hunted by way of setting fire to the whole forest
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:34am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Hey come on, Rouppe! Not only are Maori genetically superior to everyone else, they also “invented running, swimming…..hunting to name a few”
        
        Yes, this is true. I read it on Te Pati Maori’s website, in the same “Policy” statement as the one about their genetic superiority. And politicians don’t lie, so….
        
        https://www.maoriparty.org.nz/maori_sports
        
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        September 29, 2022 2:59pm
      - rouppe
        
        I did not realise that.
        
        How amazing that no one had ever swum, or run, caught a fish, or hunted game for the community table until Maori invented it and shared it with the world.
        
        The amazement on the faces of the colonial invaders when they were taught that they could use those muskets to shoot deer as well as people! Lo! What a sight that must have been!
        
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        September 29, 2022 9:46pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Makes you wonder why Maori were prioritised for Covid vaxxes & wotnot. Surely, it should have been the other way around.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:08am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “It is a known fact that the Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.”
  
  Übermensch anyone?
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is super man
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Messed up.
      That is super, man
      
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      September 29, 2022 11:09am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Don’t forget Superfrau.
      
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      September 29, 2022 11:23am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Maybe this is what Maori Science gives you. The human genome project confirmed definitively that race is a social construct. It has no genetic basis. Our genetic make up is 99.9 percent the same.
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604262/
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    “Our genetic make up is 99.9 percent the same.”
    
    That’s a pretty pointless thing to say since our genetic make up is somewhere over 90% the same as a sea sponge.
    
    There might not be races from a different species point of view, but there are clearly differences in local adaptations etc and various features.
    
    Yes, we are different. Some of us are better at some things than others. Let’s just look at competitive running.
    
    People from West Coast Africa are very dominant in short distance running and do poorly in long distance running. People from East Coast Africa dominate long distance running and generally perform poorly at short distance sprinting. They might have extremely similar genes, but they have adapted very differently and look very different too.
    
    Our biologists make a big fuss about Maui vs Hector’s dolphins, but the differences there are far less than between people.
    
    And, to repeat myself, I am not saying any one group of people is superior to any other group of people based on race or ethnicity (based on their behaviour is a completely different issue).
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes fair enough. Just like African Americans are incredible sprinters but terrible at swimming. Probably due to many factors.
      
      I’ll just say that having the Maori Party claim that Maori are genetically superior to the rest of us is a very dangerous development. Why doesn’t that ‘race commissioner’ wade in? What is he there for?
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:24am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Africans typically have high bone density and muscle mass that means a lot of the fit ones with low body fat can’t easily float in fresh water.
        
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        September 29, 2022 12:51pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Make a complaint about it, it is very straightforward and easy to do. Seymour has done so, and so have I.
        
        Email to: Infoline@hrc.co.nz with your details and the details of the complaint. You’ll get an automated reply saying their response times are being impacted “because of Covid-19” – I kid you not.
        
        But once they have received the complaint they have to do something about it.
        
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        September 29, 2022 3:03pm
    - Ehlana
      
      And, apparently, our genetic makeup is 60% the same as both fruit flies and bananas.
      
      That certainly explains a lot…
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:43am
      - I remember when
        
        Do males have more similarities with bananas?
        
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        September 29, 2022 2:42pm
      - Keith White
        
        Time flies like an arrow.
        Fruit flies like a banana.
        
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        September 29, 2022 11:24pm
  - Lance
    
    The genetics that rule out race as a concept are haplotypes.
    These markers are inherited from one parent only and rarely change.
    It was this study that showed different human ‘races’ had their characteristic looks based on environmental factors and people within those races were composed of various haplotypes from different migrations over history. Making the concept of race irrelevant.
    Or so I was told at a lecture from a world leading researcher on the topic
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:31am
  - Dave
    
    “…race is a social construct.”
    
    Not quite. A recent study of more than 3000 people commented on by by Jerry Coyne this year on his website, Why Evolution is True, found that allele clusters associated by geneticists with racial groups matched the racial self-identification of all but 5 of the individuals studied, (IIRC.) So not entirely a social construct.
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If taken at the extremes of phenotypic variation, you can postulate different races… European/Caucasian; Asian; African…
      
      No one would doubt that I am not a Caucasian-European.
      I’m white, blue-eyed, light brown haired, narrow-nosed, longish head, etc…
      But I am directly descended from generations of folks that were stuck out on a couple of small islands for 3-4000 years and had very little interchange with other groups of people.
      
      But what of my husband, with his yellow-brown skin, brown eyes of a narrow-slit shape, black hair, and short little legs?
      In fact… he’s quite a mix of Asian and Caucasian elements… but that’s what you get when you’ve got Mongolian, Tartar, and Greek forebears.
      
      When you have a gradation in the defining characters of a population between 2 extremes, you have a cline….. and that’s what we have in the Human species….. numerous clines..whereby much of the human population occupies some place on a continuum between one extreme and another, depending upon the characters you use to define the different Races.
      
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      September 29, 2022 1:34pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy, maybe through your Scots ancestry, you also have DNA links with the indigenous people of Siberia.
        
        https://www.siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/hang-onto-your-kiltski-scots-woke-up-today-to-discover-that-part-of-their-national-dna-is-siberian/?nf=News
        
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        September 29, 2022 8:19pm
- graham
  
  I have to admit, I was sceptical about this claim. But 10 seconds on Google found it.
  
  https://www.maoriparty.org.nz/maori_sports
  
  Second paragraph:
  
  There is much to be taught and learnt from the navigators of our past and how we can use that mātauranga to sail and paddle our way into a future frame by Whānau Pakari. It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others. When there is commitment, dedication, and great support around Māori to achieve a high standard in sport, it is guaranteed that Māori will thrive.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:22am
  - Ehlana
    
    When there is commitment, dedication, and great support around humans to achieve a high standard …, it is guaranteed that humans will thrive.
    
    There, fixed it for them.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:45am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not really wrong – they have a higher propensity for putting on muscle than Europeans – a theory for that being that when you are rowing for your life around the pacific it is best to store energy as extra muscle to carry you further rather than body fat.
    
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    September 29, 2022 12:53pm
- RockyJ
  
  If Maori genetic make up is stronger than others then why are Maori portrayed as abject losers in life who need constant care and wrap around support from others?
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:24am
- Ghost
  
  It’s alright the rad relations commissioner will do something right, ah guess not
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2209/S00157/racial-discrimination-by-te-pati-maori-must-stop.htm
  
  “Te Pāti Māori has been engaging in racial discrimination on its website with claims of genetic superiority, but when notified, New Zealand’s Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon refused to publicly stand up to it,” says ACT Leader David Seymour.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seymour was just getting wound up when his time expired.
  Meng Foon is a waste of space and a waste of oxygen. I have yet to see him do anything constructive regarding Race Relations. A fence sitter.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:45am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Not a fence sitter though, that would not be so bad if he just gathered a pay check and STFUed.
    He comes out in support of poorly conceived assertions like the Police being racist against Maori for example.
    Basically, like the Human Rights commission, they are not set up for all races or all humans. Only special people’s alleged grievances will receive any attention.
    
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    September 29, 2022 12:14pm
  - I remember when
    
    A palisade sitter!
    
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    September 29, 2022 2:51pm
nathie

Well well well another Labour MP is exposed as a bully (Kelvin Davis) but the Labour Party and the Prime Minister isn’t interested in self-reflection let alone an apology.

Dr Gaurav Sharma’s attempts to expose Labour Party bullying look more credible each day. Pity the Labour sympathetic MSM doesn’t hold their beloved Labour Govt to account!
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September 29, 2022 8:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Question 9 today will be interesting. Sharma is now Independent, Jaspinda will not be happy.
  Wait, it is Thursday, will Robertson or Chippie be standing in for her??
  If so, she escapes, once again she will not face the music.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    This idiot (me) got it wrong, that was yesterday
    
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    September 29, 2022 12:02pm
- peterwn
  
  Did he bully his pupils as other ex teacher Labour MP’s seem to have done (think David Benson-Pope)? I had thought Kelvin was a decent guy but now …..
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:15am
- EssenX
  
  Yes, the first thing I thought was if this is how Davis and Jackson talk in public then how do they talk when the cameras aren’t rolling?
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:16am
- oldfella
  
  nathie: compare Cindy’s (non) response to her Labour counterpart’s decisive action in the UK after a similar incident.
  https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/09/27/rupa-huq-and-the-grim-rise-of-woke-racism/
  
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  September 29, 2022 11:39am
- Harry Knuts
  
  This highlights Kelvin’s weakness which is actual answers to questions. He doesn’t have them so resorts to low personal blows that have nothing to do with the question in the first place. Lazy bitchy politics.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    To be fair, kelvin is just one of many ministers including the prime minister who thinks insults are the way to answer questions.
    
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    September 29, 2022 1:26pm
Yabster

Meng Foon- its only racist if whitey does it..

https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/09/28/meng-foon-asleep-at-the-wheel/

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=228502
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September 29, 2022 8:33am
Warren

If National and Act get to be the Government next year the first thing they should do is put TVNZ up for sale as the Government Identity has lost its way and are prepared to just except the lies and deciet that flow from our Prime Minister’s mouth on just about a daily occurrence.
How can you hold others to account when you see the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern laughing and lying about how she has all but fixed poverty and other problems that the National Party had left them when they were elected as the Government in 2017.
I really don’t mind if the facts are correct but I absolutely go off when people like Jacinda Ardern, Grant Robertson, Kelvin Davis and Willie Jackson laugh and demean others with there nasty snide comments when they themselves are the untruthful ones and the media we as taxpayers funds does not hold them to account for there blatant lies.
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September 29, 2022 8:37am
- RockyJ
  
  TVNZ is being positioned for sale. Price will be $1
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:25am
- leoj
  
  [Stop being an idiot. mod.]
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:02am
slightlyrighty

The furore around Kelvin Davis’s attack on Karen Chhour yesterday has hidden the implications of the very matter she raised…

“For how much money was the contract recently signed between OT and John Tamihere’s charity, and is the Minister reconsidering this contract in light of today’s revelation that his charities are under investigation for bankrolling John Tamihere and the Māori Party’s political campaigns for nearly half a million dollars?”

Have we seen state funding of political parties by stealth? Are Maori held to different standards that allows such conduct?
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September 29, 2022 8:39am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The huge (and seemingly far beyond reasonable) money spent on the Transmission Gully opening organized by a random unspecialised charity led by an Ex Green MP looks dodgy too. Looks like govt funding by stealth of political activists.
  
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  September 29, 2022 12:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

John Tamihere, President of the Maori Party, seems to think he is above the need for an investigation into how he spends charitable donations

Remember this man has a law degree and was a Cabinet Minister…… Does he really not understand the difference between a Charity and a Political election campaign?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/475680/te-pati-maori-president-claims-party-demonised-by-political-donations-investigation
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September 29, 2022 8:40am
- Swifty
  
  I see Tamihere has his ‘it’s all a racist hitjob’ defence well rehearsed….
  
  We’ve really plumbed a new low in NZ when registered charities consider gifting and loaning money for a politician’s election campaigns as charitable purposes, as opposed to say feeding hungry kids or providing prosthetic limbs to amputees or homing battered wives.
  
  Especially so when the politician concerned IS AN ACTUAL SENIOR OFFICE HOLDER IN THE SAID CHARITIES!!!!
  
  I just can’t fucking believe that Tamihere thought this a good idea and went along with it, or worse, cooked up this idea himself.
  
  How this is not a complete misappropriation of charitable funds for personal gain and therefore fraud is completely beyond me.
  
  He’s appeared to use his charities’ funds as a personal piggy bank.
  
  Again, I’m totally speechless.
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:53am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Swifty – it’s John Tamahere. He’s different.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:11am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I have no trouble believing Tamihere would siphon money away from a charity to further his own political ambitions at the expense of the community the charity was supposed to support. None at all.
    
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    September 29, 2022 3:09pm
- Warren
  
  But it’s not the first time this has happened as when Andrew Little was the Leader of Labour and slave gate was the talking point there was a mysterious donation that Matt McCarten recieved that no one could remember where it came from , with the rumour being it came out of that same charity.
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:54am
- RoboRob
  
  John and to a greater extent his mate Willie Jackson are spin doctors before anything else. They are grifters who use their race to make mega bucks while those in their communities suffer.
  
  Always liked John and thought he really did care (as opposed to Willie) but these events have shattered that illusion.
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:57am
- Dave
  
  I liked Tamihere’s response quoted in your link: “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. This is the hallmark of a just society and an open democracy.”
  
  This is how the most transparent governing party in the world won power in the last election, campaigning openly and fiercely on its 3 Waters and He Puapua policies.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He understands perfectly
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:54am
ClanMcleod

Ardern reaching the attention of the world yet again.

“New Zealand Prime Minister calls for global censorship of misinformation at UN speech”

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-zealand-prime-minister-calls?utm_source=post-email-title&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Check out the videos linked. Look at the idiots representing NZ at the UN with their masks on. Nobody else in the place is wearing them. Virtue signaling bullshit.

From the article.

The problem she alludes to is that she believes that you cannot win an argument based on words alone. Governments must censor the speech of people who disagree to win your argument.

She calls for censorship of dissenting views on a global scale.

Her point is that governments cannot make progress on major issues such as climate change unless the public is prevented from hearing opposing views.

The comments on her speech in the YouTube video were not supportive of her point of view.

Will she argue next that any member of the UN who disagrees with her should not be allowed to speak at the UN meetings?

Ministry of Truth coming soon.

The comments referred to are in this link on Youtube. They are very interesting indeed. As are the “likes” v “unlikes”. 823 up, over 6000 down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_4Cjki3SOM&t=588s

Ardern is being exposed more and more as a globalist/WEF shill. She does not represent the majority of the citizens of NZ. She does not act in our best interests.
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September 29, 2022 8:43am
- Ghost
  
  Misinformation? Sweet, everything Arden says will be censored. Stuff, herald, newshub will all be censored.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yes she clearly states that it should be unlawful for anyone to say that climate change is not a problem. That is horrific. What if I say “Climate change is a problem but the policies of the New Zealand government to address the problem are wasteful and damaging?” Will I be arrested?
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    BY – if you contradict the “single source of truth” then as she has already proven with her handling of the Wellington protesters, arrest might be the least of your worries.
    She is an eco, race and health fascist.
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:28am
  - ISeeRed
    
    You will have 100 points deducted from your Personal Carbon Allowance and your CBDC account restricted to purchases of vegan foodstuffs only.
    
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    September 29, 2022 2:42pm
  - Jim
    
    Yip yip that’s exactly what I want to happen
    
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    September 29, 2022 4:18pm
- mogg
  
  Ardern sees misinformation everywhere, except when looking in the mirror.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda has always acted in her own interests.
  NZ Citizens are just disposable – use once, throw away
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:06am
  - Sacha
    
    I think she has been used as a useful fool by those who wish to control us.
    She has followers . . . . .
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:16am
- Jim
  
  Sadly Clan so many people are easily deceived and even seduced by such fake performative virtue signalling. Ardern is a WEF foot soldier working to introduce a (non democratically elected) one world government (aka authoritarianism cleverly disguised as globalist neoliberalism).
  
  Any sceptics should consider our weakened national sovereignty, increased violent criminality and crushing government debt under Ardern, and observe where she goes next. Here’s a clue, it’s most unlikely to be a business owner in NZ, more likely working for the WHO promoting big corporate interests.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:06am
- Nickc2
  
  WRT the First link:
  Notice the number of empty seats for her speech. The Philippines Delegation seems to think her speech is a hoot eh.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:26am
- JJ56
  
  I know it’s Fox News, but international comment starts to toughen up https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-zealand-prime-minister-condemned-calling-regulate-free-speech-weapon-war-un
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:03pm
Maggie Pie

Sounds like the Ad Agency must have done a great sell on Vodafone’s CEO…..

‘One New Zealand’ has been chosen as the company’s new name.
It retains the last three letters of the Vodafone brand – maintaining a degree of continuity – while also conveying a sense of social inclusiveness.

My partner reckons based on that criteria, they could have retained 6 letters and rebranded as….
Dafone.
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September 29, 2022 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Should be rebranded as “Pelican”
  Then they can both stick their bills up their arse
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:08am
- oldfella
  
  Maggie: with their big push of all things Maori, the Vodaphone rerand should have been, ‘Dafone, bro’.
  
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  September 29, 2022 11:15am
  - Observer of Life
    
    I’m surprised they didn’t change it to OneAotearoa.
    This the company that changed itself from Vodafone NZ to Vodafone Aotearoa a couple of years ago. Maybe there were too many customers that complained about the Aotearoa addition. GOOD!!
    
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    September 29, 2022 4:57pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  makes you wonder how much the Ad agency got paid to come up with One?
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gaurav Sharma asked a very important question to the PM in Parliament yesterday:

Who deserves police protection more, politicians threatened by crowds or New Zealanders being robbed “in broad daylight”?

Our Dear PM showed her mettle……she failed to answer the question.

Ardern employed a tactic commonly used in the House, answering just one part of a two-part question: “Decisions around security for politicians are operational.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130013695/exiled-mp-dr-gaurav-sharma-takes-on-pm-jacinda-ardern-amid-fractious-afternoon-at-parliament
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September 29, 2022 8:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  A fake and a fraud who is like Biden, can’t operate without a pre scripted cheat sheet.
  
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  September 29, 2022 8:55am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… arden surrounded by smugness.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cunning as a shithouse rat – even with a written answer provided.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:12am
ClanMcleod

“Safe and Effective – A Second Opinion”

Forget about the media hit job by Paula Penfold, here’s a documentary studying the actual impacts of the covid vaccines. It really is a “must watch” for anyone with any concerns at all about either the vaccine itself, or the vicious and undemocratic attacks on free speech and bodily autonomy used by Ardern and other globalists over the last almost 3 years.
It’s almost an hour, worth every minute. Watch this and compare it to the taxpayer funded, nonsensical propaganda piece called “Fire and Fury”.

https://www.oraclefilms.com/safeandeffective
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September 29, 2022 8:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Today’s the day.
  
  oraclefilms.com/safeandeffective
  
  Links go live at 7pm BST.
  
  Safe and Effective: A Second Opinion shines a light on Covid-19 vaccine injuries and bereavements, but also takes an encompassing look at the systemic failings that appear to have enabled them. We look at leading analysis of pharmaceutical trials, the role of the MHRA in regulating these products, the role of the SAGE behavioural scientists in influencing policy and the role of the media and Big Tech companies in supressing free and open debate on the subject.
  
  Produced in collaboration with Mark Sharman; Former ITV and BSkyB Executive and News Uncut, it’s a self-financed, one-hour TV programme, formatted for 2 commercial breaks.
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:30am
  - kevn
    
    @Clan… Thank you for the link.
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:32am
Rusty

We have a form of Maori co-governance in action right now and it looks ugly.
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September 29, 2022 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It will soon be hard to tell the difference between ‘co-governance’ and ‘minority Government Control’
  Sadly that is where we are going imo.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:19am
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum re-tweets…..

“I don’t think Willie looks the full quid ?”

https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1575185426553647104
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September 29, 2022 9:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  Name one minister that looks the “full quid”
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Gloating racist
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:20am
Ghost

stringent safeguards? Huh, changing a man’s phone number because you got a message from them is not stringent safeguards. With asb to change my number I have to phone them up, give them my security password, answer a few questions, before they will change it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/pensioner-loses-134k-after-online-bank-accounts-hacked-by-cyber-criminals/BUGQTLYK2QJMOHJ7GDXSK25L6M/

A pensioner has lost $134,000 after cyber criminals hacked his online bank accounts, convinced staff to change his phone number, then siphoned his money in an elaborate scam.

And though the man claims SBS Bank’s security checks have failed, the bank is refusing to reimburse him for his lost retirement money, saying it has stringent safeguards to protect customers but the stolen funds are now unrecoverable.
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September 29, 2022 9:22am
ClanMcleod

This is a very interesting article in OffGuardian today. I’ve read it twice, still mulling it over and the possible implications.

Forget the blame game, Nordstream Sabotage is about the Great Reset & nothing else.

No matter the exact specific details of the situation, the Nordstream explosion was definitely an act of sabotage.

The same sabotage we’ve been seeing for two years.

The sabotage of our entire way of life, by people who would profit both monetarily and politically from a sea-change in the way our society is structured.

The sabotage that leads to faking a pandemic, gutting our healthcare, locking us in our homes and ruining our businesses.

The sabotage of our economy, our society and our very bodies.

The sabotage of us, by them.

An interesting view. It is difficult to understand much of what is happening currently in the world. Strange times.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/09/28/forget-the-blame-game-nordstream-sabotage-is-about-the-great-reset-nothing-else/
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September 29, 2022 9:23am
- Ghost
  
  Here’s an old article for you
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/biden-meet-german-chancellor-russia-ukraine-tesnions-rcna15190
  
  Biden vows U.S. will ‘bring an end’ to Nord Stream 2 pipeline if Russia invades Ukraine
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:33am
  - Ghost
    
    Surprised this tweet still exists
    
    https://twitter.com/StateDept/status/1486818088016355336
    
    Victoria Nuland: “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another, Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Have heard Biden say similar in other clips.
    Something stinks.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:36am
    - kevn
      
      @SteveO… biden.
      
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      September 29, 2022 12:29pm
- RoboRob
  
  There seems a massive disconnect within Europe. The MPs and citizens have bought into the climate change message yet the policies they implement are bizarre.
  
  Witness Belgium. 50% of their power is from 7 nuclear reactors. On Friday, while already facing an energy shortage, they decommissioned one of these (the rest to follow). The argument was that a law passed by the Greens many years ago forces reactors to be shut down after 40 years and that they had no other choice. Obviously this is utter BS as any government could find a law allowing an extension or create one. So even when facing massive economic damage to their country and potential deaths, they couldn’t pass a law to allow the reactor to run for another year?
  
  Lets not forget that Nuclear power plants are one of the best ways to produce baseline energy with extremely low carbon emissions, lower even then hydro. The same is happening all over Europe.
  
  Is it some sort of Davos / world government plan of just a breakout of crazy?
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:06am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Agree – see my comment below. It will require millions of people to freeze and sadly for many to die to achieve policy change. Maybe. I’m not sure of anything these days.
    
    If there was an energy crisis in New Zealand, and the lights went out in winter, I can seriously see some politicians on the left saying “Oh well that is the sacrifice we need to make for the climate crisis”. I would not have made that claim 12 months ago. That is how fast things are going down hill.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:36am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      As George Orwell said about middle-class socialists 50 years ago “It’s not that you love the planet, it’s that you hate humanity.”
      
      That captures the darkness in the hearts of the modern left and all their misanthropic hobby horses pretty well.
      
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      September 29, 2022 1:06pm
  - Taieri
    
    Is it some sort of Davos / world government plan of just a breakout of crazy?
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    The latter methinks. Like every other cult, this one is driven by apocalyptic fears, urges and emotions. It’s been said, perhaps apocryphally, that lemmings jump over the edge of a cliff knowing perfectly well that they will die. The Climate Cult Disciples behave just like that.
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The Davos theory is gaining traction and is no longer a conspiracy theory.
    
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    September 30, 2022 7:56am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Honestly the sooner the lights go out and folk in the northern hemisphere freeze the better. Because from where I sit, that is what it will take to achieve change. Losing heating in New Zealand is unpleasant. In many parts of the northern hemisphere it means death.
  
  Same in Australia except it will be in summer and the air conditioning goes out. Goodbye government.
  
  Sorry, I just cannot see wind farms and solar heating and cooling these countries and allowing a switch to EVs. Happy to be convinced otherwise by any energy experts here.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Here in NZ it will get worse before it gets better. The time to start on Nuclear Powers Stations is now. Clean – green, don’t let any radical tell you Nuclear is not.
    All the EVs are going to need to be charged. There is no forward thinking, the children are in control.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:42am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Canada is onto it
      ‘Four provincial governments are pushing ahead with a plan to develop nuclear power in Canada.
      
      Saskatchewan, Ontario, New Brunswick and Alberta have released their strategic plan to expand the nuclear industry through the development of small modular reactors (SMR).
      
      SMRs are, as their name implies, much smaller than a traditional nuclear reactor. They can be built in a factory and transported by truck, train or ship.
      While a conventional nuclear reactor generates about 1,000 megawatts of energy, SMRs generate between 200 and 300 megawatts — enough to power about 300,000 homes.’
      https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/smr-nuclear-power-provinces-canada-1.6399928
      
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      September 29, 2022 12:53pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        SMRs are the way to go. Auckland would need at least 6. Best et on with it, they will never be cheaper than today. As demand increases the price will skyrocket.
        Prob have to wait until this Labour scum is voted out first.
        
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        September 29, 2022 1:15pm
  - RoboRob
    
    You and I are in total agreement today it seems 🙂
    
    Part of the issue seems to be the predilection on the left to not see or associate the results of policies with themselves. I am sure there are millions of greenies in the EU who would tell you right now that climate change is the most important thing and if some people must die, so be it. The needs of the many out way the needs of the few. These exact same people would be screaming blue murder if their own power was cut.
    
    I think this links to a general trend to higher incomes and better lifestyles (from capitalism). As people have become better off they increasingly more further left. Their wealth insulates them from the outcomes of their policies. So what if power prices go up 10x if you are a high earner. Sure its inconvenient but its not the end of the world.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:51am
  - Jim
    
    BY our nations inability to generate enough green power at peak times (mornings and evenings) is only compounded by weak transmission infrastructure (old transformers and power poles).
    Where is Jacinda Climate Emergency Ardern’s government subsidies for domestic solar power ?
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh look…

If I exercise with weights I can lower my risk of death

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2022/09/regularly-exercising-with-weights-linked-to-lower-risk-of-death-study.html

Do the idiots writing this nonsense not realise that Death is a certainty – exercise or not?

If Newshub is going to going to copy other Journalist’s copy, then get the essentials correct:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/27/exercise-with-weights-linked-to-lower-risk-of-early-death-study-says

Regularly exercising with weights is linked to a lower risk of premature death, according to the largest study of its kind.
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September 29, 2022 9:33am
- Ghost
  
  Ah, that fits with the itv broadcast of the queens funeral when someone (producer?) was caught on air saying her death is irreversible. Some of these journalists don’t understand what death is…
  
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  September 29, 2022 9:36am
  - Nickc2
    
    Ah, but, JC’s death was reversed eh? On the third day after the crucifixion, when they finally opened the door to the fridge, he was gone.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:05am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You got me – where did he go? Just vanished?
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:48am
    - Ghost
      
      JC? Oh you mean John Campbell, yes I see they have dragged him out of the fridge and back to life on tv……
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:56am
    - Ehlana
      
      And likewise was our sister Elizabeth laid to rest in the sure and certain hope of the resurrection to the life to come, Nickc2.
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:57am
- graham
  
  According to expert journalists, we can lower our risk of death (??!!), and steel melts at 40 degrees (according to the alarmist headline).
  
  https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1639076/UK-travel-latest-trains-cancelled-heatwave-weather-forecast-update
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:02am
  - krazykiwi
    
    In fairness to the trains, metal track expands in heat and track segment spacing typically reflects the expected range of temperatures.
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:44am
    - Taieri
      
      track segment spacing typically reflects the expected range of temperatures
      ———
      
      Modern railway tracks are no longer spaced. They are pre-stressed and welded.
      
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      September 29, 2022 11:08am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        How come trains in Australia can still run when it is 45 degrees?
        
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        September 29, 2022 11:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        BY. Australian steel?/
        
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        September 29, 2022 11:26am
      - cmm
        
        BY: Actually the problem in Australia is probably not as much as elsewhere.
        
        In Australia a place that gets to, say 45C is unlikely to go below, say, 5C. Therefore there is around 40C difference between min and max.
        
        In Canada there might be places that never go as high as 30C, but they will go to -40C. That’s 70C of difference.
        
        So the problem is almost twice as much in Canada and they’ve been welding tracks there for decades.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzQ8xYKvLe8
        
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        September 29, 2022 1:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some rails do not have the spacing. They are welded together with thermite. Must be in places where lower heat expansion is not a problem.
      
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      September 29, 2022 11:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How come the trains’ steel wheels don’t melt?
    There’s a conversation stopper for ya!
    
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    September 29, 2022 10:52am
    - MCōs
      
      I don’t see anything about tracks ‘melting’ in the article. They expand and the joints are not designed for the higher than normal temperatures.
      
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      September 29, 2022 10:07pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Read the headline
        
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        September 30, 2022 9:33am
  - kevn
    
    @Graham… Steel melts at 40c… lol.
    Must tell my mate who works with an exploration team in the remote outback, 50c is common. He lives in an a/c container (which hasn’t melted, yet).
    Don’t you love the stupid media.
    
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    September 29, 2022 12:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    They are misusing the definition of Heatwave again.
    You need five continuous super hot days to be classed a Heatwave.
    
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    September 29, 2022 12:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Unnecessary adjectives
  
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  September 29, 2022 11:25am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hahahaha…
    
    Well, that’s reassuring to know that a Newshub copyist can recognise an adjective or two.
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:30am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Studies like this are annoying, as the correlation is not always clear.
  Someone who does weights likely gets cardio benefit, or may even do cardio in addition. And if really bothering to do these things, may have a better than average diet if really seeking to tone or bulk up.
  Because weights in themselves aren’t going to change much; you get stronger, and you might define muscle or gain muscle depending on the type of use.
  
  FYI – tore my calf muscle a few weeks back, and only given green light to return to running this week. I hate running actually but have an event in November that I need to train for. While I was unable to do running/stair runs/jump rope I have focused more on weights/squats/core/press ups etc.
  As of last week, dropped drinking to 1 day a week (touch wood), and looking at sugar and carb intake etc. etc.
  Point being, that ‘do you lift bro?’ {weights} is not really in itself significant, but there are probably all sorts of related behaviors if someone is doing it with a purpose.
  I expect I might even lose a couple kg, although that is not really the aim, and all this should (on paper) track towards a better health outcome.
  In theory.
  
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  September 29, 2022 12:52pm
- Jim
  
  Geez. Maybe it does promote immortality, as they could be following Nanny Ardernity Science?
  
  Don’t mention excess deaths being experienced in NZ though!
  
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  September 29, 2022 4:30pm
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@Clan… Biden.
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September 29, 2022 9:44am
- Master Mariner
  
  Not convinced unless with the help of EU.
  A fish cant fart in the Baltic with under water sonar bouys picking it up.
  Interesting the cause of the explosion should be known by now via ROV remote under water vehicles.
  This will identify either internal or external explosion.
  Im picking internal down the pipe.
  @Clan. Im also picking well outside the ability of any reset partners.
  In my mind. The longer it takes to identify then the more id be leaning towards the EU and co.
  And too be perfectly honest to repair it should take bugger all.
  The question is this a scorched earth policy by EU or deliberate sabotage by Ruskies?
  Im still leaning to the later to spread mistrust within the EU group.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:32am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I have said this a few days ago. Send a ” pig” down the line with explosive attached.
    
    If the explosion was internal the pipes will show this, as will they if the explosion was external
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    One for you MM….
    
    https://twitter.com/knkstumpy/status/1575239291885613056
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:34am
  - kevn
    
    @MM… The US have a big Navy presence in the Baltic. Biden (and his underlings) are crazy enough.
    
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    September 29, 2022 12:22pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    There was weird US anti-sub helicopter activity in the area in the week leading up to the explosions.
    
    The sabotage could easily be done by 2 people in a very small boat and I think most likely saboteurs are Ukraine – they have most to gain, 70m is divable for a scuba diver who is quick, and not even necessary – 100kg of readily available explosives with magnets for placement and a pre-set timer could simply be lowered on a rope from a small boat perhaps with a camera and light and off the shelf sonar for precise placement.
    
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    September 29, 2022 1:25pm
Geoff1

Parliament Alerts: Bills before Parliament
Published 06 Apr 2022, Updated 28 Sep 2022 – Rotorua District Council (Representation Arrangements) Bill
Attorney General rejected the bill saying “It presented an unjustified disadvantage to non-Māori and moved Rotorua away from proportional representation at its council”.
Rotorua District Council agreed to pause the bill in April 2022
It now at Select Committee – there appears to be no change to the bill – perhaps an effort to sneak it through.
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September 29, 2022 10:08am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Attorney General rejected the bill …”
  
  IIRC he then voted for the Bill at its first reading.
  
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  September 29, 2022 10:37am
krazykiwi

Here we go ….

A box full of genetically modified mosquitos successfully vaccinated a human against malaria in a trial funded by the National Institute of Health (NIH).

“We use the mosquitoes like they’re 1,000 small flying syringes,” said researcher Dr. Sean Murphy, as reported by NPR. Three to five “vaccinations” took place over 30-day intervals.

The mosquitos gave minor versions of malaria that didn’t make people sick, but gave them antibodies. Efficacy from the antibodies lasted a few months. [kk: So, Safe and Effective™ again /s]
:::
Researchers say the genetically modified mosquitos will not be used at large to vaccinate millions of people. The reason why mosquitos were used instead of syringes, they claim, was to save costs. [kk: Riiiiight ….]

Anyone had enough of this eugenic tinkering? I have.
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September 29, 2022 10:39am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Hope those “vaccinated” were volunteers otherwise no informed consent was granted.
  
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  September 29, 2022 11:16am
- kevn
  
  @kk… A Bill Gates wet dream coming true.
  Maybe they could import possums to eat the imported Indian Tick birds (Mynah) to eat the imported mozzies?
  
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  September 29, 2022 12:16pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    I recall reading something about bioengineered contagious vaccines recently. Will try to find it.
    
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    September 29, 2022 2:53pm
- MCōs
  
  My mother in law, who died of malaria, probably wouldn’t have given a bag of beans about the ethics of being unknowingly vaccinated.
  
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  September 29, 2022 5:39pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else noticed that no matter how DEEP the Maori grievance may actually be, it only ever takes money to fix it.

Just saying.
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September 29, 2022 11:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  … leading to …
  
  Maggie’s Postulate #1: “The depth of the grievance is directly proportional to the depth of the trough”
  
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  September 29, 2022 11:09am
- Harry Knuts
  
  and the grievance will last as long into as many generations till there’s nothing left.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:36pm
- cmm
  
  So long as it is followed by top ups.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:49pm
Maggie Pie

And this today from respected economist Tony Alexander…

“We have entered the end-game for the period of falling house prices. I’m expecting them to pick up again by the end of the year”

Always loved Tony 😛
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September 29, 2022 11:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Reckon I can pick up a decent shack in Remuera for under a $1m this week, then?
  
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  September 29, 2022 11:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Likely to be south-side of Remuera Rd….. do you know Huntly?
    
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    September 29, 2022 11:42am
    - Observer of Life
      
      MP: 😆😆😆
      
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      September 29, 2022 7:34pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Only Bernard Hickey and Shamubeel Eaqub are always as wrong about house prices as bank economists.
  
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  September 29, 2022 3:03pm
rouppe

Goodness me. Joe Biden during a speech looks around the room and asks “Where is Jackie Walorski”, a congresswoman who had died in a car crash in August.

How is there not a question over his mental ability to be President
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September 29, 2022 11:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best ask his controllers
  
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  September 29, 2022 12:23pm
- kowtow
  
  He got lost leaving the podium after a speech to Global Forum recently.
  
  Now had that been Trump it would be bigly news …..
  
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  September 29, 2022 12:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From FB.
The chance of dying with Covid is 0.026.
The chance of being hit by an Asteroid is 0.046.
Ditch the vaccine, buy a helmet.
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September 29, 2022 11:48am
Maggie Pie

“Read my lips – no new taxes”

– NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

https://twitter.com/MomoStJohn/status/1575219233549479941
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September 29, 2022 12:04pm
- Harry Knuts
  
  insurance… tax .. it’s all wordplay Maggie. same/same but labour sees it as different. It’s only insurance if it’s optional. If it’s compulsory, then it’s tax.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe, he’s doing great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeIyV0hUOj0
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September 29, 2022 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Russia, Ukraine, Trump. Love him or hate him, you know he is a good negotiator. Time to stop the blame game over the pipelines, and have an adult chat.
One of his old sayings: “You don’t have to like someone to respect them, and with that respect you gain respect back”
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/trump-has-seen-enough-offers-to-negotiate-peace-deal-between-russia-ukraine/?
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September 29, 2022 12:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something that is not political. Inside the Space Station. 29 min. Good interesting stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGP6Y0Pnhe4
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September 29, 2022 12:51pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seriously, I had no idea how big it is.
  
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  September 29, 2022 12:58pm
Nickc2

The queen of disinformation Jacinda Adhern calls internet freedom “a weapon of war”. The left want you to think as one.
https://twitter.com/tigertuffmark/status/1575042656714911750
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September 29, 2022 1:13pm
- Ghost
  
  How do you ensure the human rights of others are upheld, when they are subjected to hateful and dangerous rhetoric and ideology?
  
  Hmmm, I think she’s talking about you kelvin….
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:22pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum just called Kelvin the ‘K’ word.

LOL!!
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September 29, 2022 1:39pm
- Ghost
  
  Kinky?
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:47pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Klueless
    
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    September 29, 2022 1:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Well, well, well,

Kelvin has apologised……

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130023959/kelvin-davis-apologises-to-act-mp-karen-chhour-over-vanilla-lens-comment
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September 29, 2022 1:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s see if he will have the Guts to make a formal apology in Parliament today…to be recorded in Hansard.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:43pm
  - BeaB
    
    Never. Rangatira don’t apologise to the serfs.
    
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    September 29, 2022 2:19pm
- greybeard
  
  I shudder to think of this man as a school teacher / principal.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:46pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The article avoids indicating the context of Kelvin’s deflective comments.
  This is, that half a million dollars was diverted from a charity into political coffers, and this ‘charity’ is partnered with the Crown – corruption around the charities finances as I see it, and excusing such behavior a ‘Maori thing’ like he seems to be implying is disgustingly patronising.
  
  I have to wonder if NZ still deserves its low corruption ranking on the international scale, and this sort of behaviour is recently creeping in and seemingly treated as ‘culture’ (rather, it is pure arrogance and cheek by certain Maori who are leading with poor example).
  
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  September 29, 2022 3:26pm
- nathie
  
  Interesting development after Kelvin doubled-down yesterday … so bet that didn’t happen voluntarily (despite Kelvin’s weasel words in the article).
  
  More like the Labour Party, knowing their MP’s are getting a (growing) reputation as bullies, forced Kelvin to offer an apology (mind you the article didn’t seem to mention what was said in way of an apology – hopefully it was genuine)?
  
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  September 29, 2022 4:17pm
- rouppe
  
  Well sort of…
  
  Only for the “vanilla” comment, and only if someone generally might have been offended.
  
  He most certainly did not say “I apologise to Karen Chhour for my comments”
  
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  September 29, 2022 5:03pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The only way you can know that is if you were privy to the conversation between Davis and Chhour; is that what you’re stating? Anything else is speculation.
    
    In the same way the somewhat disingenuous $1uffed writer sprinkled deflections and most unlikely scenarios. For example, he offers first a deflection and – straight after that – told a falsehood.
    
    1. “Davis told Ardern early on Thursday to let her know he would apologise, and that she agreed he should.” So he attempts to establish that Davis had definitely already agreed to apologise anyway, and had even told the PM, who agreed with the decision. How could he possibly know when David had told Ardern, or even if he had? Unless he was privy to the conversation, he could only go by what he was told – which is fair enough. But you have to do one of two things – seek evidence that the call happened, and at what time, or simply write: “I was advised by the Prime Minister’s office that the call was made early on Thursday morning, but have not sighted any evidence to prove that or otherwise.
    
    2. “A few minutes before Davis called Chhour, ACT deputy leader Brooke van Velden wrote to the prime minister’s office, asking for an apology to Chhour. Davis was not aware of the letter when he called.”
    
    How could a journalist possibly know what Kelvin Davis knew or didn’t know, or became aware of or did not become aware of? Kelvin can barely keep track himself, bless him. The journalist could only legitimately say that “he had been told that Davis was unaware of it, and you are seeking evidence that would show that, such as when the PM’s office received van Velden’s message and when Davis last spoke to the PM. All this is discoverable, of course.
    
    The writer also implies something was posted or couriered or received in some hard copy form – the article references a “letter” but even if it was on letterhead it would have either been delivered by hand, or (much more likely) e-mailed, possibly in .pdf form, already printed, as an attachment.
    
    The article is otherwise mostly well-balanced and good reading. A shame the true colours slipped out – unless my favourite Hanlon’s Razor is in play.
    
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    September 30, 2022 12:43am
Paulus

What happened for Goff for him to not to get Washington posting ?
It is normal that the host Country get to formally approve and agree to such postings.
Now a professional from London has the Washington appointment, despite it being familair that Goff was to get it, may we assume that Goff will get approval from the UK to that HC posting ?
Or is something else at play ?
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September 29, 2022 1:41pm
- Stacey H
  
  He spoke negatively about Three Waters – that would do it.
  
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  September 29, 2022 1:57pm
- Prince
  
  Perhaps someone in the US remembered the ‘Gone By Lunchtime’ affair, when Goff sent a junior staffer to spy on some visiting US diplomats.
  
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  September 29, 2022 2:03pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Maybe he wants London.
  
  So we have Goofy in London and Trevor ” The Duck” Mallard in Dublin
  
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  September 29, 2022 3:14pm
  - Swifty
    
    Goofy and Daffy.
    
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    September 29, 2022 7:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps Our Dear PM wants the Washington gig.
  
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  September 29, 2022 3:41pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    She wants the NY Gig as Sec Gen of the UN
    
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    September 29, 2022 3:52pm
- Ghost
  
  I’ve only read of him from earlier in the year getting uk
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/phil-goff-destined-for-london-after-auckland-mayoralty-ends/RY4QJ7EGDKB2GXSDVSUHM3RT3I/
  
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  September 29, 2022 3:46pm
BeaB

Now that the main presenter of state radio midday news Mani Dunlop is about to marry Kiri Allan, a minister in Arden’s cabinet, can we expect full disclosure and impartiality, not to mention free and frank reporting?
And who will judge?
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September 29, 2022 2:17pm
- Prince
  
  We’ve had years of Dunlop dismissing Act and National and treating Labour/Greens as the second coming.
  Now we know why.
  
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  September 29, 2022 5:01pm
- MCōs
  
  I think you’ll find there have been a number of similar relationships plus media personnel spending time as MPs, usually for only a short time as either it’s harder than they thought or the voters found out they were all talk.
  
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  September 29, 2022 5:26pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the much-touted new electric ferry has run out of battery power in the middle of Wellington Harbour.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
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September 29, 2022 3:09pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Electric aeroplane anyone?
  
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  September 29, 2022 3:13pm
  - surfing
    
    It’s a joke, if you’re talking about the chandler plane. Range is 240km, and of course, it will be a lot less allowing for weather and landing windows.
    
    You could drive somewhere faster.
    
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    September 29, 2022 3:47pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      You just can’t escape the laws of thermodynamics.
      
      Look at the engines on the new Boeing 777-9. The fans are 3.4 metres in diameter. Each engine weighs more than 9 tons.
      
      Try replacing that energy with a battery.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_GE9X#Specifications
      
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      September 29, 2022 5:09pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Eviation Alice with 460km range is in flight test (Auckland to Wellington is 490, Wellington to Christchurch is 305km). Quite a lot of regional routes that could be serviced, and operational costs should be lower than inefficient and expensive small turboprops.
    https://newatlas.com/aircraft/eviation-alice-first-flight/
    
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    September 29, 2022 7:23pm
Alan Wilkinson

Pardon me while I laugh. Wellington’s new electric ferry ran out of battery mid harbour so passengers had to be rescued by police launch and then the ferry towed to safety.
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September 29, 2022 3:10pm
- Bridgenag
  
  ROFL
  
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  September 29, 2022 5:09pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The Stuff article said that the ferry lost propulsion. That could be due to a number of possible factors such as mechanical. I very much doubt that they ran out of battery power in the middle of a trip.
  
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  September 29, 2022 7:21pm
Ghost

While you are at it go after the mother for the threats she made against the victims of her son. And also after his sentence deport this family

https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300700829/appeal-launched-against-ninemonth-home-d-sentence-for-teen-rapist

The Crown has appealed the nine-month home detention sentence handed to 18-year-old Jayden Meyer, who raped four girls and sexually violated another when they were all 15.
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September 29, 2022 3:15pm
- surfing
  
  This is bizarre. The crown was happy for the original sentence, now they appeal it?
  
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  September 29, 2022 3:45pm
fightingtemeraire

Goofy is going to London
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September 29, 2022 3:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The gloves are off and Sen Rand Paul is going to nail Fauci’s hide to the shithouse door. Fauci is going for a skate, unless he sort of disappears with a new identity.
https://leadpatriot.com/gloves-are-off-gop-plan-to-go-after-dr-fauci-after-midterms/18621/
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September 29, 2022 3:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Meng Foon calls the Maori Party racist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgSztQxxawE&t=114s
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September 29, 2022 4:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jesus Christ, Foon; just answer the basic questions!
  
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  September 29, 2022 4:20pm
MCōs

Splendid idea to help enforce new reduced road speeds
https://twitter.com/karmanomad/status/1575320609000759296?s=21&t=dNBxaWpvIM9m1kyuCR-18w
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September 29, 2022 5:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The never-ending saga rolls on…..(paywalled, of course)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/te-puni-kokiri-now-reviewing-contract-to-nanaia-mahutas-husbands-firm/C6PHIEMNQXA4YUQVSKKFUFQHTU/
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September 29, 2022 5:12pm
Jack5

Economic mayhem continues in London, with the central bank, the Bank of England, spending 65 billion pounds (about $NZ124 billion) to prop up pension funds.

It bought Government bonds, whose price has been diving, hit by a looming surge in interest rates.

The central bank warned of a “material risk to UK financial stability” as pension funds quit assets. Billions of pounds were wiped off the sharemarket value of big pension funds.

The Telegraph reports Lord Clarke, British Chancellor (Finance Minister) under John Major, told a TV interviewer today (NZ time): “I’ve never known a Budget cause a financial crisis like this, and I think the Government and the Bank of England are still going to have to act to calm it down and get us back to normality.”

Meanwhile in NZ, the Interest-Dot-Co web site raises the possibility of NZ’s Reserve Bank buying Kiwi dollars to prop up our currency against the soaring US dollar.

Then an interviewee shoots down this possibility.

Kiwibank’s chief economist, Jarrod Kerr, is reported:

“It’s a lot easier to sell your currency because you can print as much of it as you like and sell it to get it down. It’s much harder to prop up your currency because you have to use your foreign reserves to do so, and my understanding is we don’t have much in the way of foreign reserves, probably about $10 billion.”
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September 29, 2022 7:17pm
kevn

@Jack5… Interesting none of the big banks have commented. Wait until overnight maybe and so leave the minnow to say something.
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