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Yvette

Kiwis say no to Aotearoa becoming a republic – poll

“Have you stopped beating your wahine?”
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September 28, 2022 8:01am
- Raphael
  
  I am a monarchist, my preferred form of government is a Constitutional Monarchy.
  Although I know it is more ceremonial than anything else I like having a head of state that is politically neutral rather than the alternatives.
  
  You know if we went to being a republic, that interfering old busybodying NIMBY Helen Clark would be taking a tilt at being the first President of New Venezuela.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:52am
  - pdm
    
    Wouldn’t surprise me if Winston Peters had his hat in the ring too.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:11am
    - Raphael
      
      if it was a race between him and Clark he would probably win
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:14am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I don’t think Winston first is smart enough or evil enough to beat H1
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:18am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Oh I think he is smart enough – evil enough? don’t put anything past the shrewd old charlatan.
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:13am
  - kowtow
    
    The Media Pardy also keep pushing the ethno nationalist extremist line that if we were to go republic then the T o W would need to be enshrined .
    
    Expect to see that more often.
    
    Well there’s always two sides to the equation .
    
    One could just as easily make the claim that New Zealand must remain a constitutional monarchy with equality before the law for all and do away with the T o W altogether .
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:12am
    - Ghost
      
      There will be no Treaty of Waitangi if we are a republic, the treaty is with the crown, without the crown there is no treaty.
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:23am
      - kowtow
        
        No , the monarch’s ( Crown’s) “heirs and successors” are constitutionally the folk who take up the mantle.
        
        Unless one gets a radical govt that wants to tear up all previous deals .
        
        That won’t happen in NZ .
        
        And depending on what the govt of the day , expressed through parliament wants , then that’s what we’ll get.
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I agree.
        
        A Republic will be for all citizens of NZ… not just a deal between representatives of a far-away land and some tribal chiefs.
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:33am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “There will be no Treaty of Waitangi if we are a republic, the treaty is with the crown, without the crown there is no treaty.”
        
        Surely the legislation establishing the Republic would simply state that all agreements and treaties between the Crown and other parties are now deemed to be between those parties and the new Head of State?
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:23am
      - Paulus
        
        There will be a new Treaty of Waitangi – suggest it is aready written and awaiting the off.
        It will all be in new Maori language too !
        
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        September 28, 2022 1:31pm
    - cmm
      
      The ToW is an agreement with the crown.
      
      Republic means crown gone which means no more ToW.
      
      Sorry bro, I can’t hear you. It’s King Charles IIIs thumb print at the bottom. Take it up with him.
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:29am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Hardly worth replying. However, it is worth pointing out that the New Zealand government, whether a republic or not, is fully bound by all prior treaties and agreements that are in force.
        
        Self evidently that includes the Treaty of Waitangi. Though I am certain you actually already know that.
        
        In any event can you imagine that any of the parties in Parliament, including Act, would repudiate the Treaty?
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In boots and all, before anyone else even had a chance to think about it.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:17am
    - Nukuleka
      
      ‘Hardly worth replying’ opines Wayne Mapp from on high. All is ‘self evident’ it seems and according to Mr Mapp barely worth even discussing on a General Debate opinion site such as this. Geez Wayne, it must be bloody distressing for you and other members of the élite having to read the opinions of unenlightened plebs like us.
      
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      September 28, 2022 10:14am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I still cannot see a problem with the current system, so there is, in my opinion, no need to change a system that is working well with a new system that would be frought with problems.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:55am
- Yvette
  
  I was actually more miffed at the now “normalised” use of “Aotearoa” rather than concerned, this time, about “republic”. – I understood the English saying,”Have you stopped beating …” was more akin to Jacinda’s “I absolutely reject the premise of your question …”
  Well, merde – “you can’t win them all”. Some days none.
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:43am
peterwn

There are concerns at a potentially low turnout for local elections and a call for a return to a formal election day with polling booths as for general elections. However this overlooks the issue that there were low turnouts for local body elections in earlier days when there was a multiplicity of polling booths, hence the introduction of postal voting. When postal voting was introduced there were plenty of mail boxes for the return of ballots and votes posted Friday afternoon were able to be delivered by when voting closed Saturday.
NZ Post says it is providing a ‘bespoke’ service to ensure that ballots posed by the postal deadline will be delivered on time. However the big problem now is postal boxes are as scarce as hen’s teeth. For example a letter to DomPost pointed out that there was one only operational postal box in Newtown and this is at Wellington Hospital and is only accessible when the main doors are open. There was a second one at New World but this is currently inaccessible because of building alterations. The writer complained that more upmarket suburbs still had postal boxes but was unaware that some upmarket suburbs have nil mailboxes.
The union representing postal workers suggested several years ago that posties could clear postal boxes as part of their delivery rounds but NZ Post rejected that for arcane reasons. This is a typical case of a good suggestion being rejected out of hand for no good reason. In the old days posties did clear boxes and as far as I know this is the case in other countries such as USA.
If NZ Post wants to try and salvage some mail volumes, then it should ensure customers can conveniently post letters. Similarly if the postal service is an essential part of the election process then the Government should direct NZ Post to provide a reasonable number of postal boxes. Having posties clear local boxes would lower the ‘barrier’ to provision of postal boxes.
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September 28, 2022 8:02am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Peter
  
  Mark Zuckerberg might help!
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Votes counted from selected areas only//
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:35am
    - grumpy
      
      I think you will find, and as with the General Election next year, that the votes have already been counted………..
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:32am
- Cassandra
  
  I was a postie in the old days – circa 1959 – and did not clear the post. We had enough to carry! Having said that, these nifty machines they use now would be ideal. The problem would be timing.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Others cleared the post and did selected ballot drops??//
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    Boxes could be cleared near ends of run and timing would be unimportant – box times could be posted as Tue, Thur, Fri at 9.30am. That would be better than no box. I remember years ago that a British local postie cleared a box at the end of his run.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:49am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I noticed that our local Countdown store has a ballot box for putting your Auckland mayoral voting paper in behind checkouts.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    yes it couldn’t be easier to get your papers( thro’ the post) and post them back ( supermarkets all have boxes).
    
    and yet turnout is abysmal.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:38am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Don’t be daft Peter, the solution is to give the ballots to your local Labour Party office. They’ll make sure it get’s through…….
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, we will look after it for you!
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:09am
- Ghost
  
  I’d say voter turnout out is more a reflection of the candidates standing and people realising it doesn’t matter who you vote for they end up just as useless and corrupt as the ones you vote out.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Councils have been infiltrated by the marxist left. A right leaning candidate really has no show against this – waste of time running. Sad really, not true representation.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:11am
    - peterwn
      
      Wrong. Looks like the Left is losing its stranglehold on the Auckland Mayoralty.
      
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      September 28, 2022 2:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        True, but not all of the deadwood Councilors. Same with all of NZ’s public departments – full of deadwood doing nothing
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:14pm
- Liberty
  
  Voting in local bodies is a waste of time.
  Elected Mayors and councils are now symbolic eunuchs.
  The Sir Humphries of the world now have total control.
  This is why we have pristine bike lanes. Multi million dollar
  Libraries. Ghost trains. And mythical climate change.
  While roads are infested with potholes.
  Bring back Town Clerks, Roadmen and rat catchers.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:31am
  - Matt Long
    
    In the US apparently there are all kinds of propositions on the ballot, for example we could put up a proposition that no more cycle lanes are to be put in place until a minimum average of at least two cyclists per day we’re using the present ones.
    What we have now is not an opportunity to participate in democracy, but to change the faces on council websites while the staff implement agenda 2030 as directed by central government.
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:20am
- Prince
  
  Perhaps Stuff could run the election similar to a Poll, in return for a few more $MMMMMM from the Govt.
  They could add useful function where, if you accidentally voted for someone they deemed a ‘far right extremist white supremacist fascist’, a helpful warning would appear, and authorities would be notified.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:39am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Among the trypewriters of Stuff, there is one journalist who consistently writes thoughtful articles. Fonseka here suggests deflation is possible if not likely in the near future.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/129997419/dileepa-fonseka-what-economists-think-about-inflation-amounts-to-guessonomics
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September 28, 2022 8:04am
rouppe

On the Hosk this morning, some alcohol advocate takes about the evils of alcohol advertising, and how Maori children are over exposed to that advertising.

I’m thinking, how does the TV know when Maori children are watching? Facebook and Google serve advertising based in previous content. How does a cat video turn into alcohol advertising for a Maori but not an Indian or Asian?

Just weird thinking
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September 28, 2022 8:07am
- G152
  
  Dont worry.
  Its the current theme.
  Special people just cant help themselves when a TV ad comes on.
  No matter what the ad says its always interpreted by some as damaging to race class or culture.
  Funny how that doesn’t equate to our biased fake news
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:22am
- dave_c_
  
  They don’t (can’t) know.
  It’s like everything the MSM do – Making it up on the fly to match their ideology.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:29am
- Simon
  
  “how does the TV know when Maori children are watching?
  Just weird thinking”
  
  Funding from govt. Got to be about Maori. People are making a fortune from selling shit into decile 1 – 3.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:30am
- Nickc2
  
  NZ has been under the thumb of Wowsers since forever and I can’t see it changing anytime soon.
  As for alcohol advertising targeting Maori kids, this is yet another Wowser-driven soft target choice and IMO, should be ignored.
  Don’t give these bastards the oxygen they crave.
  Note, these same people didn’t raise objections to Cannabis Chloe’s push for Marijuana legalisation eh?
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Don’t give these bastards the oxygen they crave.”
    Needs to be repeated often
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:26am
- cmm
  
  They track every click you make. Part of the reason for Google Ads is revenue. The other part is to get Google tracking onto as many websites as possible. Thus Google get informed any time you click on a page with a google ad on it.
  
  Thus they know what people are doing on the www and can serve up a set of ads that will “work” for you.
  
  So yes, that ad served up in the middle of a cat video will likely be tailored for the audience.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:37am
  - RoboRob
    
    All true BUT google dont say ‘this viewer is Maori lets put on booze adds’ they server adds based on yoru viewing history. Are we saying Maori people view stuff related to booze more often? More likely they are making this shit up and using Maori to help grind the anti booze wagon.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You got it. ‘Moari’ is the catalyst to push the wowser wagon
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:29am
    - cmm
      
      It’s somewhere inbetween.
      
      There is almost certainly no code of the form:
      * Let’s check if he’s Maori.
      * If he’s Maori, then show him booze ads.
      
      Instead it is a system that identifies patterns and then acts according to those patterns. This is all self-training AI stuff.
      
      Some of these are obvious:
      * Person clicked on a car ad, so show him more car ads.
      * People from location X tend to respond well to booze ads around 5.30 pm, so show them more booze ads.
      
      So while it is not strictly targeted based on race etc, it is targeted based on behaviour. This could end up looking racist along the lines of throwing crims in prison looks racist to some because more Maori end up in prison.
      
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      September 28, 2022 1:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    TradeMe just as bad. I listed a bullbar and sold it. Then I get targeted on TradeMe pushing bullbars at me. I sold it, I don’t want another, piss off!
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:28am
    - Sacha
      
      I looked at an ad for an attachment for my weedeater on my phone. Within minutes, I was inundated with ads a for OTHER assorted/related gadgets.
      I got an ad blocker –
      
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      September 28, 2022 10:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Adblock plus works good
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:16pm
    - glowworm
      
      For those techies out there, I set up a PiHole on our home network. All ads, and government propaganda, down the PiHole! Awesome device.
      
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      September 28, 2022 10:57am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Did you name it ‘Megan Woods’ ? 😆
        
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        September 28, 2022 12:40pm
      - cmm
        
        Brave browser for phones too.
        
        But even with ad blockers etc, they can still do a lot of tracking (they can’t do some of the cookie-based tracking), but at least it saves your eyeballs from a relentless stream of ads.
        
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        September 28, 2022 1:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All signage depicting alcohol to be covered during sporting fixtures? This Country is not only being fucked by Jaspinda and Labour; it is being fucked by the wowsers and the fun police
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:38am
  - MiddleclassTrash
    
    Strange how gay acceptance, womens cancer and domestic violence are part of sports culture, but not a beer after a game by healthy young males!
    This is our culture guys. Defend it or lose it.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:46am
    - kowtow
      
      Too right .
      
      And it goes deeper than just the product / activity.
      
      These people now know they can “modify our behaviour” and that’s what they seek to do .
      
      There’s always a ‘good’ involved .
      
      It ‘s been going on for a long time but in the modern era has ramped up with seat belts in cars , drink driving campaigns , yep all good( to a degree) but now it extends almost to everything.
      
      Tobacco’s another big one to attack . Note the National Party smashed a legal private property right at the behest of the Maori Party and health lobby for a smoke free NZ 2025.
      
      These targets are now a big thing with the control freaks and extend to every walk of life . Food production and consumption , how basic is that .
      
      More targets re CO2 .
      
      First they came for ……..
      
      Etc
      
      Personal choices , freedom and private property are the true targets now . But dressed up as some kind of benefit in order to press the attack home.
      
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      September 28, 2022 10:08am
      - MiddleclassTrash
        
        It’s because, with women in charge, everybody must be safe all the time. All risks are bad.
        I think we are learning the ways women are daft. We know how men are daft, but women are a newer element. (For the record, my partner & family females are for the most part competent operators).
        We have to give them constructive negative feedback. I don’t like to do it, most don’t, but I think that’s the solution. You can’t keep everybody safe all the time. Women rightly fear risk. Guys need it.
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:01am
  - alex Masterley
    
    The promoters of this rubbish need to actually go to some sporting fixtures.
    I looked at the coverage of the recent All Blacks test. I didnt see any alcohol promotion.
    Similar at the All Whites game v Australia.
    Alcohol promtion at Super Rugby and Provincial levels are negligible.
    The rugby club of which I am a member depends on local sponsorship (and parents such as my self).
    While major international suppliers of beverages are sponsors of my yacht club, they do not sponsor our youth sailing or regional, national or international sailing regattas.
    I think in short this is a solution looking for a problem.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:47am
- backster
  
  Maori kids would surely be watching maori tv isn’t that what it’s there for.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:10am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, it’s all subliminal targeting – they’re out to get you…
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:38am
Andrei

Germany is going to freeze this winter.

I wonder who did this?

Russia-Ukraine war: Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipeline leaks declared ‘sabotage’

Welcome to WW3
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September 28, 2022 8:07am
- krazykiwi
  
  Some good background on this event from The Naked Emperor: Three leaks on Nord Stream pipes – Sabotage? But by whom?
  
  (Mod – fixed link as no longer working after the substack had issues)
  
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  December 28, 2020 8:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Good link cheers, they seem to cover it really well.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:57am
  - geoff3012
    
    Link doesn’t work…ditto for another one above….???
    
    (Mod – substack are having issues, try again later)
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not opening – must be for smartphone app?
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:32am
  - krazykiwi
    
    KK says: Mod – thanks for that. Not sure what happen to substack’s links. Odd.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:51am
  - krazykiwi
    
    More updates here: https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/update-on-the-nord-stream-pipeline
    
    Pipes were not functioning, but were full of gas owned by Russia and worth EU800 million.
    
    “The amount of gas hitting the surface means the damage to the pipes is huge and a combination of sea water and pressure is likely making that damage worse. Damage that will take a long time to repair, if even possible. More gas will have to be purchased from the US at ten times the price. UK gas prices jumped up 35% in a single day.”
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:24am
    - Matt Long
      
      Very fortunate this is environmentally friendly gas, not methane produced by cows as part of the carbon neutral methane/CO² cycle.
      Other sources of environmentally friendly gas include the billions of tons of methane and CO² produced by cultivating soils to produce food for our most virtuous vegans who believe no one should fly to Fiji – except themselves and maybe family and friends.
      
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      September 28, 2022 12:20pm
    - cmm
      
      “Germany’s Economic Minister announced that speculation over the reason for the leaks was forbidden, causing speculation as to why speculation had been banned.”
      
      Just one goose step away from the 30s again!
      
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      September 28, 2022 2:00pm
  - mawm
    
    kk – they failed to mention that Olaf Schultz refused to signed off on the pipeline and that was holding it back. The German people are becoming restless with the winter and an energy shortage looming and want Russian gas. This looks like a See-Eye-Aye operation to stop them from making a deal with Vladimir. Expect more mysterious damage to pipelines.
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:32am
- Lance
  
  I guessing you are about to suggest this is mysteriously somehow Joe Biden’s personal dirty work to frame innocent Russia and righteous Putin?
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I am guessing you’ve got a completely irrational, fixed position that “Russia bad” – “Murica good” therefore there is zero chance of getting anything resembling rational debate out of you.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:46am
  - Raphael
    
    Biden did make the threat.
    
    walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it sure ain’t a muskrat.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:54am
  - NoCash
    
    Let’s look at it logically, Russia doesn’t need to sabotage their own asset as they can simply turn off the tap at the source.
    
    Who would benefit from disabling NS1 and NS2, certainly not the European.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:15am
    - kowtow
      
      I agree , Russia loses one of its major revenue streams . That’s why I say incompetence on their part .
      
      It could be something as simple as the engineers who look after shit have all fled the draft .
      
      Or they’re just shit . Chernobyl , anybody .
      Look at how they stuffed up their first blitzkreig strike at Kiev , wasting some of their best troops .
      
      There’s a lot of anti American conspiracy theorists here , so if we want to go down that road , how about ;
      
      Russian anti war hackers doing it .
      Russian anti war gas pipe workers.
      Russian gas worker who’s relative was killed in Ukraine.
      Chinese or North Korean hackers .
      
      Or how about the usual bete noires of the tin foil hat brigade ;
      
      er the tobacco or alcohol lobby .
      The Seven Sisters Oil companies .
      
      Mossad , they’re always in the frame for something or other.
      
      Big Pharma .
      
      A cabal of Wall Street Bankers , they’re also useful at times like this .
      
      Etc
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:49am
      - NoCash
        
        Yup, I would buy that Xi did it to fend off the attempted coup ;-p
        
        Btw, it’s been reported that there were underwater explosions at NS2 sites, I highly doubt they were maintenance issues or incompetence of the Russian.
        
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        September 28, 2022 10:06am
      - Raphael
        
        indeed, while there are certainly plenty of valid theories of it being sabotaged by a state actor (whether US/NATO or Russian etc.) incompetence must always be an equally valid theory
        
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        September 28, 2022 10:30am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Sponsored by the Wool Producers of Australia & New Zealand
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:40pm
    - virtualmark
      
      If you want to play the “cui bono” game then the logical party who benefits is the Ukrainians.
      
      Remove the Nord Stream pipelines and the remaining infrastructure to transfer Russian gas to Northern Europe are the above-ground gas lines that run through Ukraine.
      
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      September 28, 2022 3:54pm
      - virtualmark
        
        New info: There’s a credible theory that the Russians have an incentive to disable the Nord Stream pipelines.
        
        Apparently their contracts with ze Germans have Russia paying big penalties for non-delivery of gas. Disabling the pipelines might/would constitute a force majeure event and allow them to nullify the contract and get off the hook for the penalties.
        
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        September 29, 2022 7:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ukraine are trying to blame Russia, that’s moronic. It would be like a card player having three Aces in draw poker and ditching them in the dirt pile.
  
  Biden in February:
  
  President Biden insisted Monday that the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from Russia to Germany would be brought to an end if the Kremlin chose to launch a renewed military invasion of Ukraine.
  
  “If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it,” Biden said at a joint press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. “I promise you we will be able to do that.”
  
  https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/593153-biden-insists-nord-stream-2-will-be-halted-if-russia-invades-ukraine/
  
  I think we know who is behind this. With temperatures falling in Europe, support was waning for the war in Ukraine and there were talks of deals being done. The Germans in particular were making noises about making a deal. The election result in Italy shook many people.
  
  This is a Hern á n Cortés moment. When he arrived in the new world with his 600 men (sorry, gender neutral people /s). He burned the ships they came on making a clear statement. There is no turning back. This means this conflict is not ending any time soon.
  It’s also a direct attack on Russian infrastructure.
  
  It’s a very dangerous increase in volatility.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:30am
  - Alex
    
    Clan Mc.Loud, someone has blown up the Nordstream pipelines to Germany.
    Ha ha, this is getting better!
    Germany no longer “In the Valley of Decision”.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:16am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    I think we know who is behind this.
    ____________
    
    Why do you think we know ?
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:53pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      BwaV – Motive, opportunity. I’m sure you can figure it out yourself if you put a bit of effort in.
      Maybe start with the fact that in February, Biden said publicly they would stop it?
      
      https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005
      
      Tucker Carlson does a good piece on it.
      
      https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-what-happened-nord-stream-pipeline
      
      Here’s a Polish MP and former Minister of Foreign Affairs publicly thanking the US.
      
      https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1574800653724966915?s=20&t=2y3kTt3Wzn-U5makzT6C1Q
      
      And quelle suprise, the US were conducting “tests” and “research” invovling underwater mines etc right beside the pipeline in the not to distant pass.
      
      https://seapowermagazine.org/baltops-22-a-perfect-opportunity-for-research-and-resting-new-technology/
      
      Of course, correlation is not causation……//
      
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      September 29, 2022 7:48am
- kowtow
  
  The way Russians run things it could be out of sheer incompetence .
  
  Either that or its a Ruskie black flag .
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’m picking you mean “false flag” or maybe “black swan”. “Black Flag” doesn’t mean anything.
    
    Explain what they would gain through a “false flag”. I’d love to hear the thinking behind that one.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:42am
    - kowtow
      
      Yes false flag .
      
      My first pick is incompetence , the Ruusians are very good at that .
      
      However also recall that dictatorships often , strangely seem to need the excuse to legitimise invasions .
      
      Hitler had Operation Himmler on the Polish border , and the Japanese created the Marco Polo Bridge incident .
      
      I wouldn’t put anythng past that Loon Putin.
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:20am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        kowtow – surely control of the pipeline and the ability to turn it on and off at will is a far stronger bargaining chip than blowing it up and leaving fewer options? I’m no geostrategic analyst but this angle makes no sense whatsoever.
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:52am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        If he had blown them up, THEN invaded Ukraine your argument would make some sense. They are already firmly established in Ukraine and about to launch a major offensive on the Ukrainian lines. They don’t need an “excuse” to do that.
        
        The recent land gains by Ukraine came at horrendous cost in lives and equipment I believe. We’ll see what the autumn rains bring, then the winter snow and ice.
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        September 28, 2022 9:58am
      - kowtow
        
        CMcL
        
        By the same token Vlad doesn’t need a 98% referendum in the 4 occupied territories either.
        
        But as I said , I’m not saying he did blow them up I’m saying he could have . It’s what crazy dictators do ,( see earlier examples) simply posing a possibity.
        
        My first choice is Russian incompetence , that’s what they do well .
        
        But it sure ain’t the Yanks or Krauts . Zero benfit to them , quite the opposite , why give Vlad a causus belli .The last thing any rational govt wants is mushroom clouds everywhere.
        
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        September 28, 2022 10:15am
      - Andrei
        
        It isn’t incompetence, three separate explosions in three distinct locations cannot be a co-incidence.
        
        Secondly this has occurred in the Denmark Strait an area heavily monitored by NATO, nothing happens there without NATO knowing about it.
        
        No this is an act of war perpetrated by the USA against Germany and the German people.
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:37am
      - kowtow
        
        Andrei seriously .
        
        NATO aren’t some sort of all knowing , all seeing entity .
        
        A few years ago they couldn’t track Russian subs snooping arounding the Scani countries and if they were so good how come they kept dropping atomic bombs out of planes , some of which still haven’t been found . Or bumping into each others subs on the sea floor . Or blowing up their own missile silos , with nukes in them .
        
        I still reckon the Idiot Ivans have fucked up bigly .
        
        But if one wanted a conspiracy theory ; how about the Krauts did it , to get off the hook of buying Ruskie gas , then they have an excuse to reopen their nuclear reactors to keep the lights on , save themselves some roubles and get everyone off their backs for being beholden to Vlad.
        
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        September 28, 2022 1:12pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Black flag. As good as swatting flies, eh.
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:41pm
- Simon
  
  I wonder who did this?
  
  The other question is how complicit were the German govt. This is what the German people get from being an “ally’ of the US.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s one of the most extreme geopolitical events of my life time. I was only 4 when the Cuban Missile crisis happened. This has all sorts of potential ramifications. Not many of them are positive.
    It certainly means a tough winter coming up for much of Europe.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:52am
    - quarterpack
      
      Agreed, I can only hope Russia’s nuclear arsenal is useless as the rest of their military hardware has proven to be
      
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      September 28, 2022 10:21am
  - kowtow
    
    The Krauts are loath to give the Uks any heavy weapons , in order to keep Ivan happy .
    
    Why would they then go doing this ?
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:51am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Putin is just making an excuse not to supply gas plus a threat to blow up other international pipelines.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:02am
- Master Mariner
  
  Ok from experience there are 3 likely scenarios.
  1. Sabotage from a sub. Verry common and a few years back a american sub nearly got sunk unofficially of course.
  2. Fire a plug down pipe and perforate it with explosives. Very simple and cpmmon operation.
  3. Caused by anchoring or trawling. However 2 to 3 leaks in different places doesnt wash.
  If need be too repair is not a big job howver geopolitics is what this about.
  Interesting this happened in the Danish sector who have very sub surveillance for Russian subs.
  There can only be 2 likely operators responsible.
  I am picking the Ruskies on this.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Who was operating in the region recently?
    
    https://seapowermagazine.org/baltops-22-a-perfect-opportunity-for-research-and-resting-new-technology/
    
    Motive and opportunity point straight at the US. Also Biden categorically stated in February this year that they would stop the pipeline if Russia invaded Ukraine. It was a very clear threat, that they would stop it. When asked how, he simply stated they had the means.
    There is zero logic for the Russians to have done this. It’s almost as inane as the accusations that Assad used chemical weapons on his own people when he was already winning the war there.
    
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    September 29, 2022 8:26am
In Vino Veritas

Listening to the radio this morning, I had the misfortune of hearing that a petition had been raised to support Genter’s Alcohol Harm Bill. The news reader in question, made the statement that “there was a mood for change” with regard to our alcohol laws and around advertising. Apparently, the miserable 8,000 signatures they go signifies a mood for change. That statement was then ratified by a spokeswoman from some Maori do good organisation who claimed that it used to be “so difficult to get people to sign petitions against alcohol”. Well sweetheart, I have some news for you, 8,000 signatures is meaningless. You are still having difficulty getting signatures. And the reason is, only a tiny, tiny minority agrees with you.
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September 28, 2022 8:11am
- Simon
  
  “Well sweetheart, I have some news for you, 8,000 signatures is meaningless. ”
  
  Wrong. The taxpayer funding for this “Maori do good organization will be massive and unaccountable.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:35am
  - pdm
    
    Is the Covid Relief fund still solvent?
    
    Or has Robbo emptied it?
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:15am
Tony Stuart

How much did Air New Zealand spend on sending a “ghost aircraft” to Fiji last week, complete with a replacement crew for NZ1 to bring the New York flight back to Auckland?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300698780/air-new-zealands-new-york-woes-deepen-with-ghost-flight-revealed

It seems more and more each day that it was a rash decision to hurry along the direct flight to New York, given that Air NZ now admits that the aircraft they are using is not optimal for the return portion of the flight. Was it just coincidence that the much-heralded maiden flight was intended to deliver Jacinda Ardern to the United Nations and a host of promotional opportunities in the Big Apple? Or was there work behind the scenes between Air New Zealand and the Prime Minister’s office to get this flight up and running before the airline was fully ready?
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September 28, 2022 8:12am
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes…and when Hosking asked Luxon directly for an opinion on this debacle…he refused to even give an opinion.!!!
  This bland/ wishy washy fear of upsetting someone paralyzes Luxon….this to me stands out like ‘ tedticles on a dog’ . Does no one in National perceive fence sitting on obvious issues makes one look like a hopeless ditherer?
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:24am
  - David Garrett
    
    Souv: Luxon is as wet as a load of washing with a faulty spin function.
    
    Much as a I despised Muldoon, he always had an opinion, and was quite happy to share it.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:30am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      DG – that’s all I expect. An honest opinion so I can get an idea where someone stands. I have no idea what he stands for.
      
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      September 28, 2022 8:40am
      - Im Right
        
        I can understand everyone’s frustration at Luxon never actually having an opinion and fence sitting…THIS is because our MSM is soooo much into the St Jacinda camp that anything he says (even if it’s nothing) is sliced and diced and made out to be something it’s not!
        If he was asked about the ‘health crisis’ and he replies that it’s a bad thing and National would bring back targets and focus on results rather than Labours approach of throwing money at it and having no discernible results.
        MSM headlines = ‘National will slash health funding’….’National will bring in US type healthcare, the poor will suffer’
        Blah…blah…blah!
        I do admire Seymore, he calls it as it is and just tells anyone who will listen…ACT will do this and that….and fuck the headlines!
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:19am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I’m sure he has an opinion David, but given he is no longer the CEO of Air New Zealand, publicly airing an opinion, especially if it was critical, would be the wrong step to take.
      
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      September 28, 2022 8:48am
      - RoboRob
        
        Was about to say the same. Luxons oppinions on the poor management at Air NZ are meaningless. We want polticians who focus on the big picture not ones who think they can run everything themselves (a la Labour).
        
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        September 28, 2022 8:56am
      - rouppe
        
        Similar thought. Luxon sticking his oar into an Air NZ operational matter would be like Helen Clark telling the PM how to go about her business.
        
        We wouldn’t be supportive of that, would we.
        
        Albeit some customers are unhappy, at the end of the day, no plane has crashed, no flight has come to dangerously levels of low fuel, and they’re dealing with the issue.
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I detest Ardern, but Luxon does not inspire me one little bit.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:32am
    - peterwn
      
      OK then – do not vote in 2023 and effectively hand Labour half a vote.
      
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      September 28, 2022 8:35am
      - Sideoiler
        
        OK then – do not vote in 2023 and effectively hand Labour half a vote.
        
        Or vote ACT and hand red labour or blue labour nothing.
        
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        September 28, 2022 8:58am
      - rouppe
        
        Well my view is that we have to get Labour/Green out.
        
        I’m not very enamoured with Luxon, and while Seymour can also be a bit bendy depending on which was the wind blows, he’s also less equivocal than Luxon.
        
        So my vote at the moment will go to ACT, to help get a centre-right government in, but also hopefully to give ACT sufficient leverage that National doesn’t think their shit don’t stink.
        
        * Co governance has to be unwound.
        * Letting criminals run loose has to be confronted.
        * The Treaty has to be clearly placed in the context it belongs: an agreement that Maori and non-Maori live side by side with the same rights and obligations under the same law.
        * Fiscal policy must be brought under restraint. Spraying money like this is unsustainable.
        * Core social services – health and education – need substantial attention
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:50am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Don’t be a whiney National supporter, that doesn’t help get people on board. I am heartily sick of voting people “out” rather than voting them in. Threatening me with more of Ardern if I don’t bend over and take whatever is on offer doesn’t really inspire me to your cause. Try some foreplay.
        
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        September 28, 2022 10:17am
      - hullkiwi
        
        rouppe, everything you asked for has in fact been confirmed or promised by Luxon. As others have said above, Luxon can’t give an opinion on everything (else he’ll get shredded by the MSM and he’ll be no better than H1 chipping in with her 2 cents worth when it is not her role), just because a microphone is stuck in his face.
        
        Remember to be elected government National has to position itself and sound like a government, not a barking dog opposition chasing every passing car. Also, any mis-step comments by Luxon on any sundry topic will be remembered by the media, and brought back to haunt. These rules of politics apply to Luxon because he is more likely to be PM than Seymour who will be there in a support role.
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Sideoiler – at this stage ACT are looking like the best bet. My pointing out that Luxon is not very inspirational does not mean I want Ardern back in. But as I noted above, I am over voting people “out” instead of “in”.
      
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      September 28, 2022 10:18am
      - Sideoiler
        
        ClanMcleod- I shall also be voting ACT next election.
        I am also over voting people out, Seymour is the only candidate talking about the changes that need to be made, Luxon/National are just more of the same and will be better organised than labour at instituting its crap agenda.
        I do hope that ACT don’t do anything stupid between now and the next election, New Zealand is badly in need of the changes that ACT is talking about.
        
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        September 28, 2022 10:59am
      - mawm
        
        Clan – or least worst!
        
        A politician needs some substance, needs to stand up to and for, needs to signal the strength that makes a leader. I see no value in voting for a manager who goes with the flow when a direction is needed.
        
        Making excuses that the media are against him is childish. National know the media are against them, they have been for quite a while, so they need a plan to counteract them. I don’t see one.
        
        Somehow Seymour is getting his message across despite an antagonistic MSM.
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:18am
      - Jack5
        
        Will Britain’s tax cuts hurt Luxon’s National?
        National under Christopher Luxon is staunch in plans for tax cuts despite world reaction to the tax-cuts by the new leaders of the British Conservative Party.
        
        Some British banks, including the biggest home lender, Halifax, have stopped lending house mortgages. Yields on British Government bonds have leaped, causing heavy losses to investors. The British pound has plunged to its lowest rate yet against the US dollar.
        
        The Financial Times has a headline: “Is Britain now in a full-blown economic crisis?”
        
        Larry Summers, the former US Treasury Secretary, has warned market turmoil in Britain risks spilling over to the world economy.
        
        The Telegraph recounts a warning by former British Chancellor Rishi Sunak. In the contest for party leader, Sunak warned that the plans by Liz Truss (now Prime Minister) to cut taxes were dangerous and would make everything worse.
        
        Luxon is reported in the Otago Daily Times as saying National has not changed its plan to include tax cuts in its campaign plans for next year’s general election.
        
        “The UK is incredibly different from our own plan,” he is reported as saying.
        
        “What you’ve got in the UK is a more challenged economy, frankly, as a starting point. You’ve got massive amount of stimulus spending going on and you’ve got massive wholesale tax change going on as well.”
        
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        September 28, 2022 1:54pm
  - peterwn
    
    Chris Luxon is no longer CEO of Air NZ and it would be quite improper for him to opinionate on Air NZ operations or the current CEO. Also Air NZ makes its own commercial decisions so it is not the role of the National Party to get involved with this. The most important for National is to make effective use of its resources to win the next election and not to be sidetracked by peripheral issues such as AirNZ and NZ1..
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:34am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Agree wholeheartedly Peterwn. Luxon handled that question well.
      
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      September 28, 2022 8:39am
      - Souvlaki
        
        We’ll agree to differ Tony.
        We all have an opinion on this…so does Luxon( somewhere)….its not a political question FFS…one of ‘ common sense’.
        Air NZ have cocked up…you know it, I know it….Luxon could have even ventured “Its clearly not ideal”, surely?🙄
        
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        September 28, 2022 8:54am
      - Master Mariner
        
        @Souvlaki.
        Yes indeed. Air NZ cocked up the weather routeing.
        Pretty basic cock up.
        2 jet streams to negotiate.
        Pretty simple with todays technology.
        Very very amateur to say the least and should of been warning bells before flight took off.
        If that happened to my vessel i would voluntary resign.
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:54am
    - David Garrett
      
      Peter: Utter rubbish – most unlike you.
      
      If, simply because Luxon had once been CEO of Air NZ he was precluded from commenting on it, excellent pieces like the Michael Bassett piece linked to above, or lofty opining by former rugby players would also be verboten…which would be absurd.
      
      Air NZ is still a company in which the government of the day has a controlling interest. Luxon is not only permitted to comment on its doings, he is virtually obliged to, since he one day may end up representing its majority shareholder.
      
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      September 28, 2022 8:50am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “Luxon is not only permitted to comment on its doings, he is virtually obliged to, since he one day may end up representing its majority shareholder.”
        
        I disagree David.
        
        Firstly, if he is PM, Luxon will not be the ‘Shareholding Minister’. Those Ministers will be the Ministers of State Owned Enterprises and Finance. So, as PM, he will absolutely avoid publicly commenting on the business of Air New Zealand.
        
        Secondly, Air New Zealand is not a SOE. It was created as a company under the ‘Mixed Ownership Model’ when the Key Government partially privatised the power generators. There are strict protocols for the Shareholding Ministers to deal with these companies so as to not be seen to disenfranchise the retail shareholders. Those protocols certainly exclude shareholding Ministers from random public comments about the companies.
        
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        September 28, 2022 10:44am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Luxon is now a politician.
      Politicians have views on everything including stuff they know nothing about.
      Check any utterances from Cabinet Ministers to confirm that.
      
      Ergo its neither improper or proper. Its just a politicians opinion.
      
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      September 28, 2022 2:02pm
- kowtow
  
  All theatre .
  
  Was the EIIR holiday/commemoration date set so the Caped Princess had time to return from NY .
  
  Mask wearing on the ‘plane with Turdeau.
  
  As to Air NZ , and ghost planes , they’ve got some big story going around ‘sustainability’ and CO2 , where do such flights of fancy fit in with those lies.
  
  All the world’s a stage……
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I think that is unlikely. The commencement date was announced several months ago. The planning for the route has been going on for four years. (The commencement was delayed by the pandemic.)
  
  The airline was as “fully ready” as it could be IMO. The challenges of the return flight will be solved in 2024. Air New Zealand will take delivery of new 787-9 planes configured specifically for the route (and planned new ultra long routes). These aircraft will have more business and premium economy seats. They will also have more efficient engines that will provide an additional 800 km of range.
  
  The only way in which Air New Zealand could have totally avoided the risks of refuelling stops would have been to delay the route until 2024.
  
  I think it is likely that the problems will lessen. Firstly, they will get better at judging loads, choosing to leave more economy seats empty. Secondly, Ohakea base will reopen after renovations. Ohakea will then be the diversion airfield if Auckland is closed. At present, the plane needs to carry enough fuel to divert to Christchurch.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:39am
  - mawm
    
    Heh! I hope Air NZ know how to judge loads. It must be there with all the data supplied by the manufacturers.
    
    I remember doing a “hot and high” take-off with Qantas from Johannesburg to Sydney when they had to wait for the temp drop before even thinking of doing it. They knew that with their weight and the altitude at just what point they could safely take off. They still used almost all of a very long runway to get airborne!!
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern is no friend of Air NZ. There is a permanent conflict.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:51am
Maggie Pie

WTF??

“Costco Westgate is the first store to have all its signage in both TE REO MAORI and…. TE REO PAHEKA”

– Eva Retamanu (ZB News )

“Go Woke – Go Broke”

– Maggie Pie (KB GD)
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September 28, 2022 8:15am
- David George
  
  We’re being Te-reoised by Te-reoists Maggie!
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:22am
- dave_c_
  
  Pathetic in the extreme !
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:31am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Te Reo Pakeha? Another example of identity politics ‘othering’ by Neva – shame Neva that is so noninclusive and dare I say RACIST.
  
  WTAF is Te Reo Pakeha?
  
  Paheka means non Maori. So the number of languages covered would need to be EVERY other written language on the Planet! Is that what is actually on the Costco signs every written language in the world?
  
  Te Reo Paheka is bs. The word Neva was probably searching for was English – she seems a smart lady so I am surprised she couldn’t find the right word….
  
  English a global language. English the second language of so many peoples across the world, because its the language that the modern world was largely built on and is hugely useful in some many international fields of endeavour
  
  (Sorry all you French, German, Italian and Spanish – I know your citizens contributed hugely to the modern world in engineering, the sciences etc but I am simplifying to make a point)
  
  Its time for the idiots promoting Te Reo to explain to me and everyone else how Te Reo fluency benefits anyone with undertaking International trade, travel for business and leisure outside of this beautiful land, education in many specialist areas like Telecommunications, Engineering etc etc etc …..
  
  The are reasons that a luminary and Maori tikanga expert like Sir Apirana Ngata wanted Maori children educated in English. So they could be comfortable and successful in both the Maori and non Maori worlds.
  
  And Sir Apirana grew up in a Maori world where many of his elders would have had first hand experience of at least the Land Wars and some no doubt at least the tail end of the Musket Wars, as he was born in 1874! So he knew what the hell he was talking about in terms of the utility of the Maori language in an increasing complex world…
  
  All the current fervour for all things Maori is so misplaced it is almost Kafkaesque in its stupidity. Preserving the language and cultural is for Maori. Its not going to survive if they try and force it on non maori as it has no utility in most of our lives….
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    WTAF is Te Reo Pakeha?
    
    It’s an NCEA subject
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018814597/ncea-adds-new-te-reo-pakeha-subject
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:49am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      What a trap for those who choose that path. Indoctrination in Maori nationalism guaranteed. Sir Apirana will be spinning in the grave in the urupa asallthese young Maoris futures are truncated….
      
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      September 28, 2022 12:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is “Racist” But mentioning that is is ‘racist’ makes us the ‘racist’
    That is how it was designed.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:53am
  - Unity
    
    Well how about this which has been passed on to me. Spanish is spoken in many places around the World. It has been discovered that the word “reo” in Spanish means “criminal”, plus many other very derogatory words. See: https://www.spanishdict.com/translate/reo
    
    The silly fools obviously didn’t check other languages so one could say that Te Reo Maori translates into The Criminal Maori!!?? So we most certainly don’t want Te Reo Pakeha!!
    
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    September 28, 2022 1:51pm
  - Paulus
    
    Now I know to avoid Costco – obviously not a very smart store.
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:12pm
- Simon
  
  “Costco Westgate is the first store to have all its signage in both TE REO MAORI and…. TE REO PAHEKA
  
  “Go Woke – Go Broke”
  
  When hundreds of local businesses go broke this gives Costco and cloak of sanctimony while this corporate remit millions overseas.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:41am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No different to the other retail corporates repatriating profits off shore. What is the difference between profits for any number of companies operating in NZ repatriating money to the US, UK, Germany, India, Australia, Italy, France, Japan, or even China?
    
    The fault is with New Zealanders believing the bs we have been subjected to by politicians, bureaucrats and the commercial sector that the globalisation that has occurred over the past 40 years has been good for NZ and Kiwis. The question is are we as New Zealanders going to do something about, or just moan about it?
    
    In the case of Costco, this is a long waited for shot in the arm NZ retail has required, because NZ consumers have been being fleeced by the retail sector for a very long time. The other good thing about Costco’s arrival is the putting pressure on the Supermarket duopoly to fix some of the rip off practices they indulge in with suppliers and the brand activation companies (third party shelf stacking mechandisers).
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:28am
  - mawm
    
    I refuse to support “woke” businesses. I am just one person but there is power in all the one’s adding up.
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:34am
- cmm
  
  Bah! My local New World does much better than that. All the Te Reo Maori words are written in the original Maori script.
  
  English: “Bread”
  Maori: ” “
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:49am
- mandk
  
  Why doesn’t Costco have a Maori name.
  
  Google translates Costco (Cost Company?) as Utu Kamupene.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:13am
- oldfella
  
  I see Telecom is rebranding as ‘One New Zealand’. But they should have rebranded as ‘One Aotearoa’ going by this…
  “Our commitment to Aotearoa has always been intergenerational. We recently celebrated the 20th anniversary of Te Rourou, Vodafone Aotearoa Foundation (soon to be Te Rourou, One New Zealand Foundation), which has now invested close to $50 million in securing a better future for rangatahi (young people), and we believe represents the biggest corporate philanthropy in New Zealand’s history, and this commitment will continue long into the future,” Paris said.
  “We are committed to supporting Te Ao Māori and normalising the use of Te Reo through Whārikihia, our Māori strategy, and through honouring the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. We also support numerous digital equity and youth programmes.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/technology/2022/09/vodafone-new-zealand-changing-its-name-to-one-new-zealand.html
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:06am
  - JackRabbit
    
    In a very rare event I went through McDonalds drive through a few days ago after working late, and they had Te Reo labels on some of the burgers.
    
    The queue was very long and slow as it was the day the mandates were lifted. Which gave me time to view the Te Reo translations as might a foreigner – by using Google Translate on my smart phone.
    
    I was surprised to learn that I could buy a “Palm Tree”, or “Palm Tree”, Chips and a drink as a combo.
    
    Either there was a local spelling mistake on the menu board, or the official woke Maori translator who cooks up Te Reo, didn’t reference the translation for “Big Mac” based on existing language structure, or failed to inform Google of said translation.
    
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    September 28, 2022 12:15pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    That would be Voda, not Telecom (Spark).
    
    Actually, it would be funny if Voda opted to rename itself Telecom NZ.
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:49pm
- MCōs
  
  They can do what they like.
  If anything makes them go broke it won’t be because a few a few people stand on principle and refuse to shop there.
  They’ll go broke if their prices aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:13am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Their model means they make a profit before anyone starts shopping with them.
    
    You pay a subscription ($60 ordinary, $55:for a company) to become a member in order to shop with them. The prices on the shelf covers cost of goods and basic selling costs.
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:33am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Hope the ones saying “No Ramraids” have been translated.
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:50am
Cassandra

Esperanto and English. Maori for rubbish is rapahi, week is wiki. It’s a made-up language. Costco is full of BS.
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September 28, 2022 8:24am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett despairs that our Dear PM and her Caucus are so poorly educated and poorly read.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jacinda-force-feeds-us-te-ao-maori
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September 28, 2022 8:29am
krazykiwi

Trudeau, the WEF’s wonder kid has folded. He has ended his tyrannical vaccine mandates.
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September 28, 2022 8:33am
- ClanMcleod
  
  When are they arresting the pos?
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Same day they arrest Jaspinda – never going to happen.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:57am
- mandk
  
  About time.
  
  It means that Mrs Mandk and I will be able to travel to Toronto to see our grandkids there, as well as our grandkids in London.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:09am
  - krazykiwi
    
    That’s good news. You must be looking forward to seeing them. The move also means unvaccinated Canadians are free to leave their country. We moan about Ardern – and with cause – but Trudeau has been next-level.
    
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    September 28, 2022 9:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

A couple of decades back, Labour gave up on the Working Class, now they’ve forgotten the Poor.

https://democracyproject.nz/2022/09/22/bryce-edwards-labour-has-given-up-on-the-poor/
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September 28, 2022 8:38am
- mandk
  
  Maggy, do you think that Labour might have come to the realisation that welfare doesn’t work?
  
  They should have. After all, it has been tried for 60 years or so, and the problem of poverty is far from being solved.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Poverdy is the key to remaining in power – for a while. Keep the sheep dependent and promise free shit
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:00am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Except the article itself focuses not on poverty but on inequality; and as is usual in such cases, most of the policy prescriptions suggested are aimed not at helping poor people get richer, but at making rich people poorer
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:43am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Maybe they’ve asked themselves “poor compared to who or when?” And then realised that there will always be people that are poorer than other people. And even if you are poor today, you are exponentially better off than your poor Grandfather back in the 1950’s.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear Folks,
It is World News Day..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/about-stuff/300689749/world-news-day-how-stuffs-factbased-journalism-makes-a-difference

Disclosure: I did not ~~imbibe~~ read.
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September 28, 2022 8:43am
- Ghost
  
  Stuffs fact based journalism, well that’s a bloody lie straight away, not worth clicking on if they lie in the url
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:06am
- graham
  
  I have no intention of reading either.
  
  I would also make the point that “facts”, much like statistics, can be easily manipulated. The Stuff reporter can cherry-pick just the particular facts that support their particular agenda and ignore the other inconvenient facts that don’t.
  
  As I have posted previously, Stuff‘s constant crusading, championing of “causes” and forceful pushing of agendas eventually led to me refusing to visit their site as much as possible. I feel that I can not trust Stuff to report on the important issues facing New Zealand and the world in a neutral manner, to examine all sides of an issue fairly and without bias or prejudice. I do not trust Stuff to present reports that might contain facts that they didn’t like but which are credible and important nonetheless.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:46am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    +100
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:50pm
- Philview
  
  I note only 6 comments were allowed all saying “Keep up the good work”.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:48am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Fascist lefty fools.
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:47am
Maggie Pie

Incredible!!

Our understanding was that The-Minister-of-Justice has an action plan….. ‘to progressively eliminate all forms of racism in New Zealand’.

Yet I see this Saturday, the Council intends closing Tamaki Drive for an event called… ‘IRONMAORI’

No thought for anyone else by the sound of it. We had already been thinking about going to Kelly Tarltons that morning.

Just saying.
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September 28, 2022 8:47am
- alloytoo
  
  Maori entered the iron age circa 1830AD-1840AD
  
  just saying.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:37am
  - rjay
    
    Despite having iron sands, fire and coal Maori failed to leave the Neolithic age. This is a direct result of collectivism which requires permission of the elderly and/or tohunga/spiritual leaders to make any changes.
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:06am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      The loss of the knowledge of ceramics, when the ancestors of Polynesians settled the islands and dwelt on land with no clay, meant that pottery production was no longer possible/known by the time they reached NZ. This actually makes metal working (& smelting/casting/annealing) unlikely to ever be accidently discovered.
      
      While there were ancient ceramic makers in places such as Fiji (the ‘Lapita’ culture) there was a loss of technology as humans moved outwards. – Some islands did not even have stone suitable for stone tools, like stone adzes, for instance.
      
      So without the manufacture of ceramics, the accidental discovery of copper casting, then bronze and then iron smelting was almost certainly not going to happen.
      Because the first metals recovered from ore are thought (correctly in my view) as being discovered as a byproduct of ceramic furnaces.
      Even then, ceramic making cultures didn’t all discover metal working, although it was theoretically discovered in more than one place in ancient times (ancient America and Mesopotamia, perhaps China), there is much more evidence of transmission of the knowledge from distant locations via indirect means, especially specific techniques around casting or annealing.
      
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      September 28, 2022 12:35pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Probably 60 years earlier…..1770 -1780s.
    
    https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BesSton-t1-body-d12.html
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:55am
- Tony Stuart
  
  IronMaori is a fantastic concept. It was designed to get Maori off the couch and exercising. And it’s been a big success in Hawke’s Bay. My cousin, who isn’t Maori, has competed a couple of times and says it’s really inspirational seeing people pushing themselves outside their comfort zones.
  
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  September 28, 2022 1:35pm
kevn

@Maggie… Sponsored by Harley Davidson?
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September 28, 2022 8:55am
cmm

So now the government is going to hand out good service awards to people who sang in tune during the CV19 pandemic.

The military are always keen to hand out campaign medals and ribbons (even handing them out to celebrate things like jubilees). But, it seems the soldiers are not keen to get recognition for their efforts in running MIQ. It looks like they see it for what it really was: an unwarranted, painful blot on our history.
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September 28, 2022 8:56am
- Nickc2
  
  The number of Military personnel who took discharge post their MIQ tour of duty has been phenomenal and given the cost of their professional Military training has proven to be a blight on this current Govt.
  Now, given the differences in wages offered to people with military backgrounds and self-discipline by Civilian Employers, the Military can’t compete on the recruitment front.
  Nice one Labour, you’ve clearly shown and demonstrated your complete ineptitude for office and not a word about the current situation from your Minister of Defence.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:13am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Or from the previous Minister of Defence who frequents these pages.
    
    Looking at you, Wayne.
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

SH1 near Awanui up North is closed indefinitely. Why? Is NZ unable to repair roads anymore? Is some prick at Waka Kotahi forming a working group to have a little think about it?.
For fuck’s sake get the Americans in to do it. Anchorage 2017 outside out motel the seal was stripped, re-layed, and roadmarked overnight. 4 lanes over about 250 meters. Overnight!!
Earthquake in Alaska 2018. The off ramp from the motorway/freeway into the airport was severely damaged. Alaska/Anchorage need incoming supplies. This is December – freezing cold. Person in charge got the asphalt/bitumen CEO and told him to get the plant running and seal heated up pronto. This road was dug out, filled, compacted, sealed, and roadmarked in 72 hours. Got that/ 72 hours, 3 days ffs.
In NZ we just close the road indefinitely. What is wrong with this picture? Too many arse warmers in NZ?
https://weather.com/photos/news/2018-12-07-anchorage-alaska-road-repair-photos
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September 28, 2022 9:03am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I was in Vancouver in a motel north side of its harbour bridge about 1970. They resealed the entire bridge overnight.
  
  The southern approach to Whangarei has been incompleted roadworks for at least three years mostly with nothing happening. Unbelievable utter incompetence.
  
  Sure the SH1 gorge problem is slips, hills and instability but the political clowns running the show instead of engineers are an embarrassment and a disgrace.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Resealing the bridge is no mean feat. In NZ just get the Americans in to do it. NZ just fucks around – all hui and no do-ey.
    In Alaska that earthquake damaged the Rail line between Anchorage and Seward. Repaired in less that 40 hours. This is in Dec, cold winter (-25C) Seward is where the fuel comes in from the lower 48. Needed for heating.
    Note, crude oil goes out at Valdez. Alaska has no refinery.
    
    That previous link I sent to Fulton Hogan in 2018. Asked them if they could do that job in less than 5 years. Got no reply.
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:29am
- Mummy
  
  Singapore 1983. Staying in the Mandarin on Orchard Road. Can’t remember how many lanes there were but at least 8. Went for a walk after dinner and at least 2 lanes had been dug up to about 2 metres deep and a couple of hundred metres long. Workmen and machinery swarming all over it. In the hole were pipes and cables and all sorts of infrastructure. In the morning we looked out our window and job done. Hole filled, road resealed and repainted. You would never have known it had ever happened.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Has the Maori Party found a money tree?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/charities-regulator-probes-john-tamihere-campaign-funding/TABPXQFXR673KSOTEPTTFEAZXI/
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September 28, 2022 9:03am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Remember when it used to be….. “Willie & JT”
  
  LOL!!
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I just remember when Helen Clark had had enough of him…talking about “front bums” and trivializing the genocide of Jews.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tamiherenbspapology-wont-be-enoughnbspsays-pm/LKJBV3R6DAD5Q4VPCV3LVB5J7I/
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:01am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Before my time here. I don’t think I want to know what a front bum is. 😳
      
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      September 28, 2022 10:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Get the tall redhead to explain.
        
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        September 28, 2022 10:30am
      - Colville
        
        “Get the tall redhead to explain”….. or better still…get her to show you!
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  I detect a merger between the Waipareira Trust Group (the Tamahere Bank) and Mahuta Corp is probably in the offering. //
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:36am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mahuta Corp will just push the Waipareira Trust Group aside. Small fry//
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:33am
Alex

Property prices have taken a jump in Kazakhstan, they have never had it so good with Russian men fleeing the draft. Hotel rooms full.
Men on foot with background of Caucasus mountains are crossing into Georgia after leaving cars, queue too long,can be seen from Space.
115,00 have crossed at Lars and 37,000 cars.
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September 28, 2022 9:08am
Rusty

So Roger Waters of Pink Floyd thinks extreme Nationalists are responsible for the war in Ukraine and backs China on the Taiwan issue.

Waters is a hypocrite hard left socialist who doesn’t mind capitalism and its freedoms that have made him a very wealthy man.

Never liked his music anyway I preferred David Gilmour!
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September 28, 2022 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  He’s right in as much as the war is an expression of Russian extreme nationalism.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:56am
  - Rusty
    
    kowtow -Sorry I meant Waters was referring to extreme Ukraine Nationalists responsible for the war.
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:12am
    - kowtow
      
      Yes I realise that , I was being naughty , there are extreme nationalists and Putin is one of them. And he alone is responsible for this war .
      
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      September 28, 2022 11:32am
- Nickc2
  
  David Gilmour = God’s Guitarist!
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:10am
  - Rusty
    
    Nickc2 – right on!
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:13am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Don’t the people of 🇹🇼 Taiwan get a say? 😕
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:11am
- MCōs
  
  All of Pink Floyd’s major creative work was accomplished while Waters was part of the band.
  After he left in 1985 that was about it.
  He may have some headstrong opinions.
  So what.
  He’s just a singer in a rock and roll band.
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:25am
kevn

@Rusty… Yes, odd how these musos become so self important. In awe of themselves. I guess being surrounded by certain types might create that.
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September 28, 2022 10:05am
- Rusty
  
  kevn – The Wall album written by Waters was about the National front in the UK.
  
  Strange guy.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:15am
- kowtow
  
  Not to mention imbibing certain substances that fry what few brain cells they ever had.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:18am
Close Hen Counters

Best time to be a westy is today – no one is on the roads because they are all queuing and shoppin’ hard at Costco with Marina from Riverhead! Using glitter pens, Marina wrote to Costco in 2018 asking if she could be NZ’s first customer … you honestly cannot make this stuff up! She was in last night as VIP customer, trolley bulging with stuff … but $60 to join, petrol and airport parking to invercargill to then catch return flight to Auckland not to mention the transport from Auckland airport to Costco and accommodation/food …. Is she really saving much? She has a lovely smile not masking up in the new store so little silver lining! 🥹
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September 28, 2022 10:05am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLL9y3_ZaNs
How did the Italian center-right coalition win a 60% majority???

This is the biggest conservative victory in Europe in decades.
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September 28, 2022 10:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ needs a Giorgia Meloni to straighten this socialist shit here out. But who?
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:38am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Real change in New Zealand would require a shock IMO. That could be the lights going out South African style, or electricity price rises UK style. Maybe escalating tension with Maori over co-governance that leads to conflict.
    
    Look at the last poll – 43 percent of people would vote Green or Labour. New Zealand is now a divided society. I might worry about the crashing education system and the housing catastrophe and the welfare underclass. But I am in a small minority.
    
    Just look at Education – the “Briefing for the Incoming Minister” prepared by the Ministry of Education after the 2020 election did not even mention falling literacy attainment as a problem.
    
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    September 28, 2022 10:55am
    - mawm
      
      Bene – we need a benign and benevolent dictator. I think you’d fit the bill. I’m tired of ideologues and wet managers.
      
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      September 28, 2022 11:47am
      - MCōs
        
        No such thing as a benign dictator. It’s an oxymoron.
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:09pm
      - mawm
        
        Of course there is. The “benign” qualifies the noun.
        
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        September 28, 2022 7:42pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    BTW a sobering statistic that shows how countries can decline over a couple of generations …. In 1952 New Zealand had a higher GDP per capita than any country except for the USA and Switzerland. That relative slide is going to continue without drastic policy change.
    
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    September 28, 2022 11:02am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      In 1952 basically all our exports went to the UK and we imported finished goods.
      
      Also, at that time we were in the middle of the Korean War wool boom where the price of wool was stratospheric.
      
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      September 28, 2022 11:17am
      - hullkiwi
        
        It was thanks to the wool boom that my grandparents could pay off their sheep farm, and my grandfather could buy a new Wolsley 4/44 in 1956 from Mills garage in Dannevirke.
        
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        September 28, 2022 12:56pm
      - MCōs
        
        I had cousins on a farm who made good pocket money selling the wool they picked off the fences.
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:19pm
      - Colville
        
        Ah yes…..battle for Chosin reservoir ….-30C at times.. I didnt realise they were wearing New Zealand wool!
        
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        September 28, 2022 2:50pm
    - Taieri
      
      how countries can decline over a couple of generations
      —————–
      
      Argentina is a very good example. Up to the 1950’s its economic performance was comparable to the richest Western countries. Since then there’s been a steady decline due mainly to the populist policies of its governments, starting with that of Juan Peron.
      
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      September 28, 2022 11:38am
      - mawm
        
        Politicians destroy countries. Too many bad decisions made based on an ideology. The list of destroyed countries is very long.
        
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        September 28, 2022 11:52am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        In the first part of the 20th Century a common US saying was “as rich as an Argentinian”. They now have kids dying of malnutrition, like Venezuela. The perils of vote yourself rich redistributive left wing politics, as we have seen time and time again in last 100 years.
        
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        September 28, 2022 12:17pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Benedict NZ had high GDP and high per capital incomes right up until the early 1970s, then a perfect storm happened:
      1. The Kirk Labour govt happened;
      2. The First oil crisis occurred;
      3. The UK joined the EEC; and
      4. The National government of Muldoon was nearly as clueless as the preceeding Labour government
      
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      September 28, 2022 11:49am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, that was because of the Korean war and the wool prices going thru’ the roof. Meat & other primary produce also boomed.
      
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      September 28, 2022 5:28pm
  - kevn
    
    @curry and SteveO… Strange the NZ Horrid has almost nothing to say about the Italian election and massive result.
    
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    September 28, 2022 12:33pm
    - curry4me
      
      I think there was an item on FakeNewshub, or The ‘News’ at Sux. ‘Far right’ wins in Italy.
      
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      September 28, 2022 6:57pm
Gulag1917

The Optus hack has demonstrated that companies collect too much information on customers. Passport numbers etc are unnecessary.
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September 28, 2022 10:20am
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDHCmZNTr1U

Council Candidates Series – Carl Bromley

We sit down for a yarn with Mayoral & Council Candidate Carl Bromley, to hear about the man himself, and why he is running for Council.
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September 28, 2022 10:20am
Jim

Safe and Effective.

Noting that cardiac related symptoms were known by MEDSAFE in July 2021 (linked below), especially if you were in a younger cohort, did you receive full disclosure of the potential risks and benefits to offer informed consent?

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/safety/Alerts/comirnaty-myocarditis-alert.htm

Now further breathtaking (data based) revelations by UK senior cardiologist on the real world performance of the Pfizer Comirnaty MRNA vaccine. A must watch for all Kiwis.

https://youtu.be/z5uyYSkPVng
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September 28, 2022 10:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  IIRC Pfizer has revenue of about $20 billion USD from its COVID vaccine, mostly from western governments. Pfizer is now pushing its “Omicron-adapted bivalent vaccines” – effectively second generation vaccines.
  
  https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-granted-fda-emergency-use-authorization#:~:text=The%20Original%20Pfizer%2DBioNTech%20COVID%2D19%20Vaccine%20will%20remain%20available,by%20both%20BioNTech%20and%20Pfizer.
  
  These have ONLY been tested on mice. I kid you not.
  
  TBH I would be surprised if the New Zealand Government acquires these new vaccines. I can’t see many folk rushing out to get the injections.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:49am
- mandk
  
  No one, of any age, gave informed consent for the vax.
  
  They couldn’t have done.
  
  The “consent” form was based on false and misleading information.
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:54am
Opie

Welcome to co-governance.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/playcentre-vote-overturned

Yep, 2 votes are worth more than 370.

Is this what they mean by democracy is too simple?

Who are the 2 that voted against it and how do they stand to profit?

This is rascist and just plain stupid. It is the actions of sub 100 iq virtue signaling morons that has allowed is to get to this point.

Don’t think it will stop here either…
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September 28, 2022 10:53am
- Blog-aholic
  
  THAT, is exactly how co-governance will work.
  
  Look at three waters and the fact that they need a 75% supermajority for anything to change.
  
  With 50% Maori and 50% LG the Maori bloc only need to vote against anything they do not want and the LG bloc needs to get at least 25% Maori to vote LG’s way for anything to change.
  
  So the upshot is if Maori don’t like it isnt going to happen.
  
  There is NOTHING ‘co’ about that.
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The premise behind the vote is interesting. My significant other spent a lot of time working for our local PlayCentre in days gone by. A few years ago, PlayCentre head office was captured & corporatised (same as Plunket & others) by a bunch of women looking to bludge big salaries. All local assets forcibly transferred to head office. Existing staff driven out by forcing new qualifications (aka re-education). Mass refresh for the worse, local PlayCentres closing.
  
  Looks like the worm might be turning.
  
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  September 28, 2022 3:02pm
Opie

More virtue signaling nonsense.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/technology/2022/09/vodafone-new-zealand-changing-its-name-to-one-new-zealand.html

Shouldn’t it be tahi? Or do they realise that will result in the instant loss of around half their customers…
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September 28, 2022 10:59am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think half left when they changed it to Aoteroa NZ last year.
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:39am
- Ghost
  
  I actually think it is a good idea by the new owners to change the name, Vodafone has a bad reputation around people I know. If they become competitive, improve their support centre’s they could get some customers back
  
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  September 28, 2022 11:43am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cheney the RINO. Bye!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GoRe3c2Bxw
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September 28, 2022 11:05am
ecco

Just drove down Dixon St, Wellington near Pigeon Park, the great people at Wellington City Council have just succeeded in taking out 80% of the car parks and put in their lovely planter boxes in place of carparks. So keeping plants alive in there will add immensely to maintenance costs and erase any parking revenue from those parks.

My heart really goes out to the retailers, restauranteurs and business owners in that area. It’s tough enough as it is without these sort of manuouvres. I guess that’s what you get with a council full of Green party members.

I hear they have their sights on pedestrianising Lambton Quay which will just make that area into a lovely playground for the increasing number of homeless and street people in Wellington and taggers.
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September 28, 2022 11:28am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  correction: correct term of public address is “far left”, “hard left” or “extreme left” green party. Everyone needs to match the left’s “far right” propaganda game if they want to save NZ.
  
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  September 28, 2022 12:11pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You can learn all about the Dixon Street parking here. Some funny excerpts:
  
  https://wellington.govt.nz/your-council/projects/dixon-street-and-te-aro-park-design-improvements
  
  “This project is part of the Pōneke Promise – our joint commitment to improving city safety.”
  
  “Work includes…. Removing some carparks to create ‘parklets’ which will support businesses to utilise outdoor dining space.”
  
  A “parklet”??????
  
  “There are currently 42 carparks, 31 of which will be replaced with the decking, bike parking, emergency park and new motorcycle parking.”
  
  “At the core of this project is what we call CPTED, Crime Prevention through Environmental Design Principals.” 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
  
  New Zealand local government now supplies reality beyond the wildest dreams of fantasists 🙂 🙂
  
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  September 28, 2022 12:35pm
  - Taieri
    
    A “parklet”??????
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    They had “parklets” in Dunedin for a while. In place of the former bus stops in George Street. All gone now.
    
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    September 28, 2022 1:07pm
  - Colville
    
    Wilson Parking will be creaming it!
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:53pm
- Inandout
  
  ecco, those shops deserve to close their doors when they roll over like a dog. Whatever happened to the kiwi mongrel attitude?
  
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  September 28, 2022 12:52pm
  - ecco
    
    I’m pretty sure they would have voiced their discontent with this. But WCC is a law into itself. However a look at who’s on the Wellington city council and you can see where they are coming from. Councillor Tamantha Paul, millennial, is a prototype for the classic Green Party Wellington City Councillor.
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:00pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Tabatha is a far, far Left loonie. She’s come to the Council by way of student politics on her way to the Big House. No, not that Big House.
      
      And, of course, never held down a private sector job with any form of accountability.
      
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      September 28, 2022 8:21pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Kiwi mongrel attitude? Free speech?
    
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    September 28, 2022 2:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The White Lady is doing OK
    
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    September 29, 2022 9:21am
- zulumonster
  
  And the bizarre rationale for doing that work on Dixon Street is part of the plan to make Wellington safer – the plan known as the Poneke Promise. Sounds a lot like the Christchurch Call – an excuse to spend money on focus groups and useless projects to appear to have achieved something.
  How is this supposed to make anyone safer from the lowlifes that frequent the adjoining Pigeon Park?
  
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  September 28, 2022 1:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks like the Council know what they are doing. Re-Elect them
  
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  September 28, 2022 2:26pm
Maggie Pie

Just back from stocking up the pantry at NW.
Love how they always have all the flavors of Duck Island.
My faves are the Roasted-Chocy-Miso & Pecan-Butterscotch. To dye for!
And whenever the girls there see me heading to the checkout, one of them always rushes over and specially opens a closed-lane so I don’t have to wait. You don’t mind paying a little extra for service like that!

Compare that to what you get at Countdown….

https://neighbourly.co.nz/public/auckland/st-heliers/message/68470343
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September 28, 2022 12:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  I’ve just come home from Countdown in the last hour and I found it difficult to navigate the isles today due to discarded empty boxes and people stacking shelves.
  What really pissed me off was my favourite TV Meal only had two days of [Use BY] remaining and when I asked the guy stacking the shelves if they had any with long life remaining, he didn’t understand me. And the Govt calls that progress FFS.
  
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  September 28, 2022 2:06pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I can’t stand Countdown. I only go there to buy one Pinot Gris that they stock.
    
    I am avoiding supermarkets as much as possible TBH.
    
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    September 28, 2022 4:43pm
    - RdM
      
      Ah yes the Cleanskin label Pinot Gris from South Africa, 13%, was $7.50 now $7.90 a bottle.
      
      My favourite cheap white wine. Others 12.5%.
      
      Mind you there are some 14% Cleanskin reds too.
      
      But maybe yours was more upmarket? ;=})
      
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      September 28, 2022 11:27pm
Ghost

What Schools Are Teaching Your Kids About ‘Gender’

Many parents are starting to panic about what schools are teaching their children about gender. Here in New Zealand, increasing numbers of parents are withdrawing their children from school due to concerns about gender identity instruction. In the US, after sustained pressure from angry parents, Florida recently passed controversial legislation prohibiting, among other things, classroom instruction on gender identity for students below the age of about ten.

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/what-schools-are-teaching-your-kids?r=1ihpvo&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Interview with the article author on the platform

https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/what-are-your-kids-learning-about-sexual-identity-at-school
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September 28, 2022 1:51pm
Chris Nisbet

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/covid-19-police-refuse-to-apologise-to-northland-trio-after-car-falsely-reported-stolen-to-access-database.html
So there we have it. These people are happy to stomp all over the law when it suits them.
Difficult to think of them as our friends.
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September 28, 2022 2:06pm
- kowtow
  
  The Cops and govt blithely allowed illegal roadblocks .
  
  Cuddles went so far as to defend the breach of common law by bastardising the Peel Principles , which he clearly has no understanding of , by talking of policing by consent.
  
  We live on Animal Farm and anything goes.
  
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  September 28, 2022 2:50pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The rule of law there for some purposes but not for other purposes.
  These are sad times for NZ.
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Karen Chhour (Act) asked a question in Parliament about the Contract between Oranga Tamariki and John Tamihere’s Waipareira Trust in the light of today’s revelation that JT’ and his ‘charities” are under investigation by the Charities commission.

Kelvin Davis’ answer: – Don’t look through vanilla lenses.

Karen Chhour: So does the Minister agree with John Tamihere when he says his charity and Oranga Tamariki are in a partnership and not a contract, and if Te Whānau o Waipareira is struck off the Charities Register, will the Minister guarantee that this partnership will end?

Hon KELVIN DAVIS: What the member needs to do is cross the bridge that is Te Tiriti o Waitangi from her pākehā world into the Māori world and understand exactly how the Māori world operates. It’s no good looking at the world from a vanilla lens.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20220928_20220928_16/tab/video?page=2
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September 28, 2022 3:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Mr Davis is quite the patronising arsehole isn’t he.
  He should be careful what he wishes for because people will get sick of that crap.
  
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  September 28, 2022 3:53pm
- Ghost
  
  Did the speaker make him answer the question or just accept that crap as an answer?
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:01pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  So that’s why Mahuta’s nepotism is no big deal…
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:23pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I wouldnt have described Karen Chhour as Pakeha…
  Davis should be sent back to Witless Protection.
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mrs Chhour is Maori…. but from the wrong side of the tracks.
    I think her mother is Nga Puhi – same as Kelvin Davis.
    
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    September 28, 2022 5:24pm
- Prince
  
  So the reply is that corruption is the way Maori operate, and we need to suck it up.
  What does the great leader of our country say ? Nothing, as usual.
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:46pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  That reply is very, very alarming IMO. He is dividing the country into a “pākehā world” and a “Māori world”.
  
  It is incredible that New Zealand is changing so dramatically.
  
  I can tell this guy one thing. New Zealand is far from the ‘poster child’ for race relations. Totally the opposite.
  
  How do you know a country has good race relations? When the relationship between races is not in the bloody news every day and not front and centre at Parliament every time it meets. 🙁
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:52pm
- JJ56
  
  Worth quoting Karen’s comment from ACT’s follow up PR:
  
  “Actually Minister, I am a Māori woman, I was a Māori child in state care, and I can tell you that Māori children aren’t that different, they just need to be loved, fed, educated, and not abused by the people who claim to care for them.”
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:53pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    What a class act.
    Well done her.
    
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    September 28, 2022 5:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Link:
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2209/S00159/kelvin-davis-resorts-to-personal-attacks-while-ot-fails-most-vulnerable.htm
    
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    September 28, 2022 6:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Special K. Expect nothing less. I thought the Treaty was a poorly written Real Estate Deal, not a bridge.
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:53pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Whhaaat?
  So is Davis saying that there is now one law for Maori and another for everyone else?
  The Labour Party government needs to clarify this.
  Are there now different financial standards, expectations and rules based on skin colour and tribalism?
  Yes or no?
  
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  September 28, 2022 5:07pm
  - kowtow
    
    I wonder if he ever puts on Welsh glasses ?
    
    If he did he could still have a race whinge over the Normans bashing his ancestors .
    
    Isn’t that what some Taffies waste their time on .
    
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    September 28, 2022 6:21pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Davis wouldn’t know if the Town Hall is up him till it chimed.
    
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    September 28, 2022 7:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Vanilla lens and ‘misracing’ her too !
  
  So in the interests of “equity” I take it then we can start referring to chocolate lenses , or would the Media Pardy suddenly decide that that would be racist ?
  
  Fair’s fair ? Not.
  
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  September 28, 2022 6:05pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Oddly, Kelvin Davis is whiter than Karen Chhour.
  
  I remember when racism was all about skin colour.
  
  Just goes to show how a progressive government can improve things for the worser.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just another night in Gisborne….

3 females shot in 1 suburb,… gangsters at large
https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20220927/three-shot-in-elgin/

In a separate incident, man arrested after shooting at female partner…
https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/frontpage-featured/local-news/20220927/city-firearms-incident-ends-in-coast-surrender/
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September 28, 2022 4:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  You play tennis Maggz?
  
  Honestly, sounds to me like it’s time you guys thort about a move to Remmers.
  Ma was telling me there hasn’t been a shooting here since she was a school girl….and that was 60 years!
  
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  September 28, 2022 4:34pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Really? You can’t even go for a jog without being killed.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-accused-of-killing-remuera-jogger-jo-pert-faces-12-further-charges/NVV7VVKHKLVAGNIO2R4SMRC5JA/
    
    And the place is full of ‘up themselves twits’ according to my partner and her mum.
    
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    September 28, 2022 4:57pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      (Mod – deleted, you can stop those sort of comments)
      
      LOL!!
      
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      September 28, 2022 5:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Honestly, sounds to me like it’s time you guys thort about a move to Remmers.
    
    Oh, you don’t want to be opening up your suburb to riff-raff like me.
    Crikey, I went to a state school and I wouldn’t know a Masseto from a Maserati.
    
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    September 28, 2022 5:36pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Maggie tells me the place is being “overrun” by Chinese.
      
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      September 28, 2022 5:42pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        OMG…there yu go again!
        
        I never ever said ANY such thing…the word I used was (Mod – Deleted)
        
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        September 28, 2022 5:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        They’ve got some star tennis players
        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Peng_WMQ19_%2828%29.jpg/1200px-Peng_WMQ19_%2828%29.jpg
        
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        September 28, 2022 6:08pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “I never ever said ANY such thing…the word I used was ‘infested”
        
        I am ending this dialogue because I do not wish to test the attention of the moderators. Telling me that your elitist suburb is becoming “infested” with Chinese exposes your racism IMO. I could go to your homophobic comments here.
        
        I am not alleging that you are an entitled twit because that would be testing the comments policy of our host. However your posts could lead some readers to conclude that you are an entitled twit.
        
        Anyway I am done with you.
        
        (Mod – sigh. I’m sorry, I never saw that comment)
        
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        September 28, 2022 6:20pm
    - Taieri
      
      I wouldn’t know a Masseto from a Maserati
      ————-
      
      What’s a Masseto?;)
      
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      September 28, 2022 5:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        An Italian Merlot
        
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        September 28, 2022 6:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        This site says Masseto is a cuvée as well.
        
        In my provincial ignorance I thought “cuvée” referred to a fizzy wine like Champagne, but apparently it also means single-vineyard.
        
        Masseto a cuvée:
        
        https://www.winespectator.com/articles/in-wine-terms-what-is-a-cuvee, too.
        
        What is a cuvee:
        
        https://www.wineinvestment.com/learn/wine/italy/super-tuscan/masseto/
        
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        September 28, 2022 8:42pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Did your mother live in Bassett Road?
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I have been trying to email a YouTube link
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig) to Julian Batchelor of stopcogovernance@gmail.com, but it is not working. I finally sent it to the blog and hope it works. It is Jaspinda’s world socialist youth speech in 2009 Hungary.
Tell me the free speech/thought police are not messing with this, because it would not surprise me the way NZ is heading. So much corruption
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September 28, 2022 4:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorted. The email contact I added was from a very early email from Julian Batchelor. stopgovernance@gmail.com. Incorrect. It is stopcogovernance@gmail.com
  
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  September 28, 2022 5:20pm
Prince

Step right up folks – witness the amazing disappearance of the Tamihere charities supporting his political campaigns article.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130008768/john-tamihere-defends-his-charities-payments-and-loans-to-his-political-campaigns

Was on the ‘front page’ of Stuff for all of about 10 minutes. Then pulled and sat down under ‘National News’ – not the front section, you actually have to drill down to find it.
Now why would this be hidden ?
Perhaps a call from the Beehive pointing out that this contravenes the PIJF agreement ? After all, Kelvin Davis says talking about this contravenes the Treaty…!
Perhaps a Stuff senior editor took the initiative themselves and had it taken down.
Imagine if this was a National Party or Act President. How long do you think this would stay up ? Perhaps lead item on tonight’s News ?

But there is no corruption in New Zealand.
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September 28, 2022 5:00pm
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t forget, Willie Jackson (Min of Broadcasting) and John Tamahere used to do a Radio Show together. I’d suggest Tamahere is being protected by his mates eh?
  No doubt there will be a law change regarding Charities and their funds before this looks like going before the Courts.
  
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  September 28, 2022 7:24pm
Prince

Three Strikes is gone, so these blokes get a few months home detention, which I am sure they will enjoy.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/130010228/tribesmen-gang-members-avoid-jail-after-explosive-attack-on-mongrel-mob-members

After all, says the judge, the seventeen of them only punched, kicked and stomped on their victims for 30 seconds. And they didn’t use guns, knives, baseball bats etc. And their victims, apart from the blood on the pavement, seem fine now.
So despite their violent history, it’s back to the community for them.
No wonder there is such a high turnover for Police, when the crims just get sent back to do it all again.
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September 28, 2022 5:15pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  This one’s a struggle. On the one hand, an outrageous piece of thuggery is all but applauded by the prime piece of judicial idiocy presiding; on the other hand, it’s one gang beating up on another gang.
  
  My better self is losing today, I think.
  
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  September 28, 2022 8:36pm
Ghost

Aww, the forever offended are offended again

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130010389/could-vodafones-rebrand-to-one-new-zealand-backfire

Vodafone has been criticised for rebranding with a name that “sounds like a white nationalist organisation” but a marketing expert says the telco is unlikely to be affected
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September 28, 2022 5:33pm
than

I went to Stuffed again. Once again Sharon Murdoch misses the points against 3 waters to bash the opposition.

How will the water entities will be held accountable for their actions with unelected representatives? Sure things need to change, but Murdoch is putting it as a black and white issue as if 3 waters is the magic bullet and the only way to fix things, where it’s not.

Yes, there are some parts of the country – Wellington being a good example – where the council failed to invest in water infrastructure, but that’s a long way from being widespread. Previously perhaps Havelock North a couple of years ago? That was quickly contained.
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September 28, 2022 5:46pm
greybeard

CostCo first day.

Since when does beef mince have to be consumed withing 2 or 3 days ?
Beef, when prepared and stored properly, will last for several weeks.
This is what happens for whole fillets and scotch fillets at a butcher.
It is aged beef, and superior to fresh beef.

If a supermarket is saying the “best before” date is only a couple of days then their meat is already old and unsold, probably due to being overpriced.
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September 28, 2022 6:40pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  There were dozens of people tweeting from inside the store.
  
  You could see they was sooo low rent 🙁
  
  NW RULES!!
  
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  September 28, 2022 7:14pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Maybe they are folk struggling to get by?
    
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    September 28, 2022 7:35pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Sorry there is NO way that refrigerated beef mince will last more than 3 days. It it is vacuumed packed – 14 days.
  
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  September 28, 2022 7:37pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “This is what happens for whole fillets and scotch fillets at a butcher.”
  
  Yes correct – “mince” – totally different.
  
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  September 28, 2022 7:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What an arrogant and ignorant man Kelvin Davis is.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/deputy-labour-leader-kelvin-davis-tells-m-ori-act-mp-karen-chhour-she-needs-to-leave-her-p-keh-world.html

That’s the true underbelly of NZ Labour exposed.
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September 28, 2022 7:19pm
- Ghost
  
  Isn’t that hate speech kelvin.
  
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  September 28, 2022 7:22pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You know it when you hear it
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:38pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner’s mum is here having Thai with us….
  she reckons Kelvin hates white people with a passion 🙁
  
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  September 28, 2022 7:54pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Kelvin’s mum is Pakeha; Kelvin’s wife is Pakeha.
    
    I think poor old Kelvin is confused about what “world view” he sees.
    
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    September 28, 2022 8:02pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      And Kelvin’s father also has European forebears, judging by his surname.
      
      Looks like his kids’ Maoriness is pretty diluted.
      
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      September 28, 2022 8:40pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Kelvinator looks as white as the refrigerator he’s named after.
        And in addition to that, he’s an idiot.
        
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        September 28, 2022 9:13pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      So my guess is that he identifies as Maori because there is money in doing so.
      
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      September 28, 2022 9:33pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Shades of Joe “if you don’t vote for me you ain’t black” Biden.
  
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  September 28, 2022 9:34pm
- mandk
  
  Davis’ attack was pretty vile, but I guess it is consistent with the underlying bullying culture within the Labour Party.
  
  I can’t wait for Ardern to excoriate him for not being kind //
  
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  September 28, 2022 10:29pm
Ghost

An article from earlier this year

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/biden-meet-german-chancellor-russia-ukraine-tesnions-rcna15190

President Joe Biden on Monday said the U.S. would “bring an end” to the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline if Russia invades Ukraine.

“If Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine — then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.” Biden said while standing next to the new chancellor of Germany, Olaf Scholz, at a White House news conference.
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September 28, 2022 9:08pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The Commander in Diapers who brought America to its knees with his Green New Deal has possibly just started WWIII. Little Greta will be having kittens.
  
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