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Warren

Would it surprise anyone to hear that there is a culture of bullying in our High Schools and those in charge have turn a Deaf Ear to it , well this is what appears to have happened at Ashburton High School with many saying it is happening all over New Zealand.
You have to ask yourself how the Government can show any Leadership or Credibility in trying to solve this problem of bullying when they sanctioned bulling of one of there own by there own MP’s and denied him the chance of a enquiry to prove it was in fact happening.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/09/25/school-bullying-victims-say-they-were-ignored-by-ashburton-college/
How can the Government and the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern have any inquiry into bullying in the Education System when the Government and its Labour Party condone it, you only have to look at the response over there own MP, the Sam Uffindell enquiry and the Parliamentry mandate where thousands lost there jobs because our Prime Minister bullied them and could not bring herself to communicate because she knew better.
So what chance is there of this Government getting it right with there response to this.
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September 26, 2022 8:05am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Fights between boys and vicious tirades have been around since the beginning of time Warren. Bullying isn’t a vicious tirade, its a pattern of ongoing abuse over a long period of time. The issue for at least one of the lasses here is social fucking media where kids post shit the kid who is being abused sees, and then gets to keep watching. Social media is poison to kids. And in my opinion, a good few parents these days need a good slap as they bring up soft kids who have no defense mechanisms and expect everyone to be nice to them. Life is a tough gig, the sooner kids realise this, the better off they will be.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:08am
  - MCōs
    
    “a good few parents these days need a good slap”
    
    So your solution is to send the morality police around to the victim’s house and beat up their parents.
    That should nip the bullying in the bud, said nobody ever.
    
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    September 26, 2022 12:25pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Said someone who clearly has no idea what actual bullying is. MCos, I spent 7 years on a school board, and listened to daft pricks like you on a daily basis. If I heard “my daughter|son is being bullied” once, I heard it 1000 times. 99% of the time, it’s crap. The kid has been called nasty names and funnily enough, usually by their friends (that’s why they take it to their parents and not their friends). And then their overly protective parents go into over drive. Little Johnny|Janey are perfect children, they did nothing to deserve being called names, they are being bullied!! When did this happen? Yesterday. When was the time before? Only yesterday. Over protective Mum and Dad then decide they have to protect their kid. Instead of having the kid try and sort it themselves. I’m not saying bullying doesn’t happen, I am saying that spats and nastiness do not constitute bullying. Kids need to learn to sort shit out themselves, it is a tough world and a tough life. Get with the program and harden up.
      
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      September 26, 2022 12:50pm
      - MCōs
        
        I went to school in my youth and saw kids being bullied.
        One in particular sticks in my mind because now I realize the kid had epilepsy. He didn’t drop to the ground unconscious, but became disoriented for a half minute or so. Kids were merciless.
        What could he do? He didn’t even know what was wrong, poor bugger.
        Some kids are just plain nasty.
        My granddaughters have just started primary school this year. There’s kids at their schools of all shapes, sizes, colour and ethnicities. The kids don’t sneer at a colleague because they have red hair.
        Who puts that bug in their head?
        
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        September 26, 2022 3:11pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        MCos, I have sympathy for the kid. One of my mates at primary school was epileptic. He fell off his house roof helping his father paint, and it triggered epilepsy. And he got given shit for it. But, and you will probably have a fit about this, we sorted it with our fists. Was it right or wrong? Who knows. It was certainly what I was taught to do by my dad, who said stick up for yourself, dont step back, and even if you lose, the twats that are giving you stick will have a wee bit of respect for you. As to the rest of your comment, there’s always been kids who are shaped different (less so when I was at school to be fair), different hair colours, different clothes, different ethnicities. Parents these days need to get over themselves and let kids be kids, and let them try and sort bad shit out. Obviously it doesn’t work every time, and there may need to be intervention. But they need to give their kids the bloody chance. Stop babying your kids. It will not end well.
        
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        September 26, 2022 8:28pm
      - Ghost
        
        too many kids today are committing suicide because of bullying. Kids being kids doesn’t cut it.
        
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        September 26, 2022 8:52pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Some pretty horrible and damaging bullying went on in my school daze but social media seems like a whole new level of toxic garbage that nobody really needs.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:14pm
- alloytoo
  
  Bullying is a feature of the Labour Party. Why would they seek to address it?
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:21am
Scott

Whenever crime seems to have peaked we find criminal activity goes to an even worse high. Now we have reports and video of a gang of men smashing a jewellery store in a mall at 11am on a Sunday morning.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/129986908/daylight-robbery-group-armed-with-hammers-smash-way-into-shopping-centre-jewellery-stores

The police are investigating. No one stepped in to confront these guys. The shop staff ran away. People watched in horror.
What’s to be done? This cannot go on.

I’m going to the Lower Hutt mall tomorrow. If they’re robbed should I intervene or just watch on helplessly?

Either the police have to get on top of this or else the ordinary citizen should be empowered to do something. Maybe the shopkeeper needs to be armed? A few guys getting shot and there would be a total change in criminal behaviour.

We cannot run a decent society like this. If the police can’t do something then the ordinary citizen will have to take action. Maybe we’ll have to take a club to the mall in case of attack?

This is utterly hopeless. Where are the police, where are the mall security guards, does the public have to intervene to stop this chaos?

A hopeless police force, an incompetent judiciary and a feckless decadent bunch of politicians are turning this once peaceful law abiding country into a 3rd world hell hole.
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September 26, 2022 8:07am
- Inandout
  
  Scott, a warning… don’t intervene. You will find yourself in physical danger and likely financial danger attempting to defend your actions. The public may be on your side but not the police who decide what charges they may throw at you. Security staff run away as they are unarmed and lowly paid. Shop staff are not paid to be heroes and their bosses would not dare use any firearms. These robberies will continue unabated because the government appears impotent or scared.
  
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  September 26, 2022 8:39am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Is the same pattern of ram raids happening in Aussie?
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:44am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      No, they sent all the 501s and their kids here
      
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      September 26, 2022 11:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Police hate people who poach their job or make them look inadequate. They own permissible violence, and jealously guard that monopoly. Stay out of it.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:55am
  - pdm
    
    Security guards are not allowed to physically restrain people.
    
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    September 26, 2022 12:16pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      What has happened to citizen’s arrest ?
      
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      September 26, 2022 12:22pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/power-of-citizens-arrest-put-in-doubt/JVNHSA2MQXJCH3V3U4PYSNH3SQ/
        
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        September 26, 2022 11:01pm
    - Flossie
      
      So the point of them is…?
      
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      September 27, 2022 12:15am
  - Keith White
    
    The NZ police, sadly, under current management have sunk to a nadir of disinterest in supporting the law-abiding. With the exception of a few honourable holdouts, they have become a group much more interested in actively vilifying, detaining, attacking, arresting and charging people who don’t fall in line with “the current things”.
    
    We first saw this really break out with the police response to law-abiding firearms owners publishing videos about how they were harassed by the police in the wake of the Christchurch atrocity. We next saw this with the police thuggery surrounding people walking the dog and perambulating on the beach and going to the shops during lockdowns.
    
    We got another masterclass lesson seeing how the police treated the protests and beat up the protesters at the Beehive – compared to the all-hands-off approach at BLM protests in Auckland, gang tangis all over New Zealand, the occupations at Ihumatao and Wellington.
    
    We can absolutely assume with a high degree of confidence that anybody who tries to physically intervene against these poor little misunderstood joyriding spontaneous redistribution activists in malls and jewelry stores — will be hunted down, violently arrested, vehemently charged, and rigorously sentenced by the soft-on-criminals, tough-on-citizens police and judiciary taking their very direct orders from the Princess of the Pestilence and Kelvin the Catch’n’Release specialist.
    
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    September 26, 2022 8:38pm
    - Ghost
      
      You are blaming the police for doing their job. Its not the police fault that politicians passed legislation with guns that then meant the police had to go follow these rules. Its not thier fault that the labour government locked down the country and they were then tasked with having to following with people breaching the lockdown. For the most part of the protest at parliament police didn’t do much with the protest even when protests were assaulting bystanders. While there were peaceful parts to that protest there were also people who were determined to cause problems. Laughed watching the broadcast of it and there was a patched gang member standing in the protest chatting away to the police.
      
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      September 26, 2022 9:01pm
      - Keith White
        
        I am blaming the police for selectively doing the parts of the job they feel safest to do against the interests of the people who fund them.
        
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        September 26, 2022 10:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        Bullshit, you’re just another keyboard warrior who attacks the police because you haven’t got the guts to do the work they do. Dealing with domestic abuse, having to go out and deal with accidents, murder, attempted murder, shootings, stabbing, gang violence, dealing with druggies, people suffering physical abuse, sexual abuse, emotional abuse, car accidents, And so much more, the police don’t select the cases they work that come their way, and they don’t whinge and bitch about going and doing it, unlike your ilk
        
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        September 26, 2022 10:24pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Scott-
  If you intervene ie throw a punch – or assault a young criminal, you will be the only one charged with an offence.
  Especially if you are an older, white male.
  These young criminals know the law can’t and won’t touch them.
  And, anyway, these rich retailers have plenty of insurance with which to cover the costs of damage and theft of stock – so that’s all ok then – eh.
  
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  September 26, 2022 8:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s not OK. Insurance premiums go up, and then the cost is passed on through the retailer to the purchaser.
    Yes, I know your comment was in jest.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:25am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The costs of letting society go feral in exchange for likes (from fellow delusional posers) are huge for the non-criminal tax payers.
      
      Rising insurance premiums.
      Cost of attempting to secure your belongings (CCTV, dash cams, locks, physical barriers etc etc).
      Capital flight and flight of decent people.
      Sending the message that there are little or no consequences for being scumbag so the problem multiplies.
      Rising mental illness and the associated costs of that.
      The enormous costs to non-crims of an (inevitable at some point) rising prison population.
      
      The US (and many other places) have tried and tested solutions. Once the current hideous aberration are gone perhaps these can be implemented.
      
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      September 26, 2022 9:28pm
- Cassandra
  
  Part of the answer (and the other part is catching the criminals and incarcerating them for a long time) is to encourage and empower private security. Some sort of incentive would reduce the cost to the businesses and giving them quasi-police powers would enable them to deal to the crims. Arming them a step too far for NZ but I’m a fan. There’s a great video (probably fiction) of 5 customers whacking a robber in a convenience store, Texas I guess. Great State. Wrong shop for that guy.
  
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  September 26, 2022 8:47am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    There is a genuine video of a convenience store owner in the USA shooting an armed robber. He was applauded by the police.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:46am
    - MCōs
      
      Those people that smashed up the shop in Hamilton didn’t appear to have firearms, but what arming the security guards is a whole new ball game.
      The Base has been open for 17yrs with nothing like this before, as far as I’m aware. This jewelry shop doesn’t even have its own security. Either the owners are complacent, they care little for the safety of the staff or their merchandise is crap. I suspect all three.
      
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      September 26, 2022 12:58pm
      - leoj
        
        Typical. It’s the retailers’ fault.
        Geez!!!!
        The ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is not the answer.
        Sacking Cuddles, create an armed division of the police targeting gangs, build more prisons and put judges on the ballot. They need to be accountable too.
        Then, and only then, will the country be safer for the rest of us.
        
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        September 26, 2022 1:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Kelvin’s “Spike” in Youth Crime is now Chris’s trend.
  
  Does anyone think that youth-gang crime raids are going to drop off whilst this Government is in power?
  
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  September 26, 2022 8:48am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @MW-
    To be fair, I don’t these criminals care who is in power at a government level.
    They might say “chur, Aunty Jacinda” and all that, but it is the politics of the gangs v police that will have the most traction.
    And we all know who is winning the race there.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:13am
    - Ghost
      
      Disagree, because these gangs know labour is soft on crime, and from the few that have been arrested they know just how soft labour is and there will be no real consequences
      
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      September 26, 2022 9:34am
      - Nickc2
        
        Gangs are Labour’s Storm Troopers, they’ve already had an advance payment of $2.5m.
        It makes one wonder how many of our politicians have relatives in gangs eh?
        
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        September 26, 2022 2:14pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    aotearoa is desperately short of wraparound support services – that’s because of nine long years of neglect…
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:15am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      These kids need wraparound services.
      
      A wrap around the fecking ears would be a good start.
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:02am
      - Sacha
        
        I think we could be creative – apparently the police know who all these kids are, so why couldn’t they be rounded up and sent on a walk around the South Island, chain-gang style with backpacks. That’d be the penalty. Lots of marching time, chanting the ‘times tables’, stops for meals, overnight under the stars or whatever. Reading classes before bed –
        So, go to school, or go on a Long Walk. Your choice. And if you don’t shape up, do it all over again.
        
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        September 26, 2022 11:29am
      - Keith White
        
        I’m OK with using straitjackets in this specific context. Whereas the classical Iron Maiden would be a bit overkill.
        
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        September 26, 2022 10:12pm
    - pdm
      
      Suze – New Zealand where I live has the same problems.
      
      Which seem to have occurred in the last 5 years.
      
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      September 26, 2022 12:23pm
      - leoj
        
        ….since the attempt to change the name…..
        
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        September 26, 2022 1:48pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  There are no consequences for actions. This is all down to Labour and Ardern. While there are no real and serious consequences for actions then these activities will continue and will happen more often. Others will see the success of these robbers and be encouraged by how easy it is.
  
  Maybe Ardern could treat them the same way she treated peaceful protesters in Wellington. Tear gas, batons, rubber bullets. That might make the criminals think twice. She had no hesitation attacking those who disagreed with her, surely she can use the same tactics on criminals?
  
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  September 26, 2022 8:52am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Clan I also think telling people that they’re actions are simply the result of colonialism and systemic racism helps with the self justification these young drongos require to overcome their natural sense of right and wrong. The poison of woke is that it robs people of their agency and places them in a group then ranks them in a victim’s olympics. The group tend to self fulfill the role ascribed to them and prove the doctrine correct. A hideous self fulfilling prophecy of doom. We have the Queen of wokeness and all things ridiculous reigning over a court of hopelessly delusional woke jesters. It’s what the voters wanted.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:34am
  - Tricati
    
    With Labour’s edict to lower the prison population, coupled with a soft-cock approach by the judiciary, these arseholes know there is no consequence so there will be no change in behavior while Labour are in power. Ably supported by the Greens and Maori Party, these thugs know they are immune from prosecution, so just run riot. NZ they way Ardern wanted it.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:04am
- Ruahine
  
  I have had this behaviour described to me as Co-governance in action. This behaviour is semi-sanction by those who know govern us.
  
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  September 26, 2022 8:54am
- backster
  
  The real enablers of these crimes are the judges that induct the youth into crime by refusing to deter them and turn them loose immediately after arrest. They are oblivious to the needs of the victims.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:04am
- OlderChas
  
  Arming shopkeepers with guns would not be a good idea IMHO. However, authorising the holding and use of long distance pepper sprays could be helpful.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:06am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    OlderChas maybe you’re correct but if we as the public have to start fighting the criminal why have the police? It’s sort of like education my friend has to teach his kids maths and English whilst the school more and more tries to assume the role of parent and instruct them on things that should be taught at home. Everyone should maybe stick to their knitting.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:41am
- artemisia
  
  Maggie Pie recommends oven spray. Officer, I just happened to be popping it in my bag when I saw a young thug about to attack a security guard.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:11am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    In Michael Hill? Good luck with that one!
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  These things never seem to happen in front of me. I would love a bit of fun. I am not big – 89kg, 5ft 10. Just the short stumpy brick shithouse type.
  But at the end I know that it is I who will be in trouble with plod, and charged.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:29am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    You’re an oldie, Steve. Just claim incipient dementia [insert smiley-face emoji]. You’ll never do time,
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oldie, but a fit oldie. Left shoulder rotor cuff tear, but just punch the bastards out with the right arm.
      Dementia? Good idea, thanks
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:22am
- JimBobJoe
  
  This is not random
  
  This is not cop cat
  
  This is organised
  
  The people behind it a professional criminals (and yes that includes gangs but also professional fences etc)
  
  JimBobJoe has been saying for sometime, that if the State fails to act that Citizens will be forced to protect themselves, their families, their homes and their shops
  
  The Police and Minister Hipkins need to get a hell of a lot more aggressive or someone innocent citizen will be killed – a hammer to the head is not trivial. There was a thing called a War Hammer – designed to give crushing blows which are particularly deadly to the head especially the temple.
  
  Minister Hipkins – blood on your hands will be a losing election strategy and you already face a very uphill battle to try and win the next election
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hammer, schizophrenia, and tell them your name is Thor, defender of mankind, and my hammer has special powers.
    That’s all the protection you need//
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:31am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Yes, you just happen to identify as the Terminator. 🙂
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:41am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Yet another sign of the break down in civil society caused by the break down in governance. As I have posted previously governance in NZ has been on a down hill trajectory for some years. We have had politicans who lack the capacity capability and most importantly the will to govern effectively. In this case they have failed to set the laws to deter and punish with a result that the criminal class has been emboldend. The Police at the top lack the rigour and robust leadership to enforce the laws. The Judiciary lack the conscious to carry out their duties in the interests of law abiding citizens and see themselves as an extention of the social welfare service more interested in looking after the criminals and the citizens.
  When the Government the Police and the Judiciary break the social contract it leaves law abiding citizens little option but to take the matter of social control into their own hands and deal withg these situation in an appropriate manner.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:36am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The security guards may as well be shop dummies. They have no power of arrest and are not armed.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:49am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Indeed they are “visual deterrents”. Once this is known, a cardboard cutout would easily do the same job.
    These people aren’t paid to stop robbers. The robbers fully understand this.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Remember the Patrol car with a cardboard cutout dummy, placed on the Harbour Bridge south side? All to make drivers slow down.
      Plod realised it was stupid and abandoned that idea.
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A few trained armed security would be a deterrent.
    Just give then one bullet, like Deputy Barney Fife.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:34am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Everyone can perform a citizens arrest. Just put your hand on someone’s shoulder and say ” I arrest you”. You are subject to potential civil suits if you wrongfully arrest someone.
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:04am
  - Unity
    
    So what use are they? Why have security guards who are powerless?
    
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    September 26, 2022 1:05pm
- Paulus
  
  You would be told off, if not proseuted for trying to stop this behaviour.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:54am
- Brian McDonald
  
  If you have to ask what to do if confronted in the manner you are speaking about Scott, it means you’ve resolved to do nothing. I’m alert to things going to the bank a few times each week, the guys with tattoos, walking as quickly as I do who were following me (or so I thought) turned out to be security couriers. I always watch and keep close to the walls to judge any situation on how it emerges. I also make sure to look behind and everywhere else. Good habits learnt in another life.
  Probably not for you, but you did ask.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:58am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    ‘Good habits learnt in another life’
    
    Tell us about that other life, Brian. International man of mystery, perhaps? Undercover police officer, maybe? Pedestrian on Te Aro Park?
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:22am
- rouppe
  
  I certainly wouldn’t on my own. If inside the first few seconds you found yourself in a group of 6-10 others who would, maybe.
  
  Even then though it would be a case of isolate 1 or 2. At that point you have to make a choice. Try and restrain, or beat them severely. You’re unlikely to get support from your other partners for the latter action (even though it would be more effective), so likely restrain.
  
  Trouble with that is, as any guerilla knows, it will take 3-4 people to restrain 1 other which leaves you vulnerable during that time for the ones with the axes and hammers to come over.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:20am
kowtow

Golriz at a demo in NZ over wimmin’s scarves in Iran .

Didn’t see her protesting face covering in NZ .

What’s the point of an NZ MP protesting human rights abroad , but not in NZ .
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September 26, 2022 8:38am
- Ghost
  
  Since you don’t seem to have any idea what she was protesting perhaps you should read the article that it was about the murder of a woman for a piece of hair showing
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300696794/green-mp-golriz-ghahraman-who-fled-iranian-regime-among-protesters-cutting-hair
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:40am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Yes I think we are all aware and I applaud Golriz Ghahraman for her protests.
    
    However a rare exception to utterly mad, expensive, and dangerous views is small comfort.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:52am
    - rouppe
      
      Oh come on. It was all for the cameras.
      
      After all the theatre of grabbing her hair she cut off maybe 2 inches at the end.
      
      Contrast that with the real protester who cut her hair off near the neck
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:22am
      - MCōs
        
        Not only do you have to protest, but you must do it in the prescribed manner.
        Is that what you’re saying?
        
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        September 26, 2022 1:09pm
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        (Mod – you try again)
        
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        September 26, 2022 1:59pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    So why wasn’t she protesting the battering of NZ citizens for choosing not to take part in a medical experiment? Why wasn’t she outraged at people being segregated and prevented from taking part in normal daily life because they disagreed with the government here in NZ? Why is she more concerned about Iran than NZ?
    
    The point is well made. She is part of the government in NZ. Not Iran. Deal with the shit here, then virtue signal about stuff that she has absolutely no control over.
    
    I suppose we’re all going to get Facebook frames next with a hijab to wear?
    
    This media highlight of an incident in Iran is part of continuous US regime change attempts. It happens everywhere in the world. It’s what they do to anyone who doesn’t fit with their narrative or who doesn’t bend to their will. They did it to Iran in 1953. They create a story or carefully select and highlight an abuse.
    
    Yet a journalist is in custody for years awaiting extradition to the US because he exposed their war crimes. War crimes of a nature far more serious than the death of a protester in Iran. I am not saying it isn’t serious. It is. Similar things happen right around the world on a daily basis.
    
    But re Assange, where is the outrage? Where are the protests? Where are the NZ MPs criticising this massive human rights abuse?
    
    This is the first thing I’ve heard Golriz talk about in years. All it shows me is that she is irrelevant as a NZ politician.
    
    “I support the current thing”………”
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/kitten-corner-toaster-the-town
    
    I’m over virtue signaling morons. Do your job Golriz. Help the people of NZ who pay your excessive and unearned salary.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Oh yes I do and oh no I won’t.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Because women’s rights in Iran are important issues for a NZ politician to be ranting about. The right of NZ citizens to not take part in a medical experiment? Meh.
  
  That sums the majority of NZ politicians right now. Virtue signaling garbage of no relevance to the lives of the people they are supposed to govern on behalf of. Jumping on bandwagons and spouting memes and soundbites? All day long.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:49am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Because it’s easier to virtue-signal about Iran than it is to take actions in NZ for which you will be accountable.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Theatre – because they are void of any ideas that would be important
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:47am
Warren

When there is no consequences for what they do this will continue to happen.The Government there Police Minister and the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern do not want to see these young people with convictions , hence no punishment, so why wouldn’t criminals have them do there dirty work for them because the know the Police are weak and more interested in looking after the Prime Minister than our Country and hard working Taxpayers.
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September 26, 2022 8:40am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Gee, you go on Warren. You’ve taken on the first post routine for a glorious bleat every morning, must be very satisfying for you. Actually from what the government says they don’t want to see young people fed into the Justice system which can result in them becoming recidivists offenders as adults. That is a position taken in Germany and many Nordic Countries. At least try to be factual.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:47am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’ll leave it to David Garrett to respond to you. 😂😂😂😂😂
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now that will be interesting. Brain has yet to make a trip to kau cop
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:50am
    - Media hater
      
      Brian only mentions ‘Germany and Nordic countries’ to try and be cynically clever. Everyone knows these local turds aren’t Germans or Nordic types. Nor is Brian himself come to that (Haha!).
      
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      September 26, 2022 1:32pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    How’s that working out for Sweden ?
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/09/why_sweden_swung_right.html
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:04am
    - Paulus
      
      Have read that Sweden has had 500 major explosions in the last 10 years – many recently.
      Hence a move to a new more right wing Government to stop the 50,000 immigrant entries to the country.
      
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      September 26, 2022 1:31pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    “That is a position taken in Germany and many Nordic Countries”. Firstly Brian, the Nordic countries policies are directed at kids under 18 only. However, all of the Nordic countries are also mindful that prison sentences are sometimes entirely appropriate. And the worm has been turning – “Storgaard (2005) observed an emerging and continuing shift in the Nordic countries in recent decades away from treatment and towards punishment in programmes involving young people”. Secondly, just because they have these policies, doesn’t make them right.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:26am
  - Warren
    
    Maybe you don’t get up at 5.00am in the mornings because your to busy tapping your head, well I am out of bed most mornings at that time and have plenty of time to post before I go out to the garden. Jaccinda Ardern and her Cronies post there objections to what they call the river of filth so why can’t I post what i want whether first or last in rebuttal to there one eyed views.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:54am
  - rouppe
    
    Has it escaped your attention that these people are raiding jewellery stores again, and again, and again? What is your definition of recidivist?
    
    In support of kiwikidsnz:
    There have been 273 gun crimes in Sweden so far this year.
    
    There are about 100 bombings a year in Sweden. That’s 2 a week. What would you say if there were 2 bombings a week in New Zealand? That they need some education of safely handling explosives?
    
    In Germany, murder and child abuse are on the increase.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:55am
3-coil

The numpties at the UN just missed a trick in their efforts with the war in Ukraine. Our honest and caring PM comrade Jacinda raced to NYC to lecture the world on the nasty “nucular” weapons, but they should have used her to reach out to her comrade Putin. He would take a call from his rockstar comrade Jacinda, and comrade Putin would be putty in her hands, swooning as comrade Jacinda used all her Bachelor (sexist no?) of Communications tricks to persuade him that kindness and transparency is the way. Comrade Jacinda could’ve promised that she’d come and visit comrade Putin as soon as the nasty war was cancelled – it would be over by lunchtime. If comrade Putin does push the nucular button, comrade Jacinda will be implicit – and she knows that one comrade-to-comrade chat could have stopped the whole sorry saga, she does have that power. The UN troughers had the solution in front of their snouts, and they squandered it.
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September 26, 2022 8:44am
- Ghost
  
  I posted this yesterday and no one could point out to me what was wrong with the speech, since you seem to have a problem with her speech perhaps you can tell me what is wrong with this speech
  
  As a country with a proud record of promoting nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation, I was heartened by the expressions of support for a world free of nuclear weapons.
  
  We must take full advantage of this historic moment to advance the nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation agenda. We owe it to our generation and to those who follow us to progress our vision for a world free from nuclear weapons.
  
  As a proudly nuclear-free nation, and as a country that has been at the forefront of this debate since the 1970s, New Zealand stands ready to play its part.
  
  We are optimistic about the prospects for progress.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:32am
  - kevn
    
    @Ghost… You go first, not me ?
    However, we should be getting cracking on building the new generation of nuclear power stations. In NZ.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      All hell will break loose, but it has to be done. I like my heat pump/aircon. Why should I do without because of outages caused by pricks charging EVs?
      NZ is getting left behind real fast.
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:54am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’ll start. The “nuclear free” thing is stupid.
    
    It cost New Zealand its alliance with the United States. There is simply no comparison with the degree of defence cooperation that Australia has with the USA.
    
    Secondly it has deprived New Zealand of the opportunity to ever develop nuclear power.
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:59am
    - Ghost
      
      Good points but do you think some people are just against what is said because whose saying it, as Mogg below has shown
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:07am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No, what Mogg said was a factual statement re the content. It wasn’t about the person who said it. It’s the fact that she is so stupid and nothing more than a virtue signaling, hand waving, fake smiling puppet.
        
        The good news is most people have now seen through the facade and are able to see her speeches for the garbage they are.
        What was it she said? She won’t apologise for being “aspirational”?
        
        In plain English what she is saying is, she won’t apologise for being a virtue signaling, non achieving waste of space.
        
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        September 26, 2022 10:57am
      - Ghost
        
        Yet Clan, the above speech is not jacinda’s. it was John Key in 2009
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/statement-opening-64th-general-assembly
        
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        September 26, 2022 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nuclear free is a thing of the past that is just bait for a protest. NZ has to ignore these people and just get on with nuclear electric power.
      The alliance with the US would still be destroyed without the nuclear thing. Plain and simple there is an element in NZ that just hates the US. That element runs deep. Look at our Defence, the Army, the Navy, the Airforce. It is pathetic. All done by people like H1 running the Defence into the ground and spending money on unnecessary shit.
      
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      September 26, 2022 11:02am
  - mogg
    
    Because it’s LaLa Land. Ardern is the world’s oldest teenager. She really is too stupid for words.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:00am
    - Ghost
      
      And why does this speech make her too stupid for words, care to explain?
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:13am
      - alloytoo
        
        Because appeasement has never worked well historically.
        
        “Speak softy and carry a big stick” is far more effective.
        
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        September 26, 2022 10:31am
      - mogg
        
        If you can’t already see it, I can’t explain it to you.
        She sounds just like the autistic schoolgirl Greta Thunberg not a PM. Everything about it is just cringeworthy gold plated virtue signalling.
        
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        September 26, 2022 10:36am
      - rouppe
        
        Also because it is word vomit. It says nothing.
        
        She might as well have said “Let’s all aim for rainbows and unicorn farts” for all the good it does with the problem at hand.
        
        The only way Putin can use nukes is to nuke Kiev. He can’t nuke the battlefield because that will kill his own soldiers and that would be the end of him as far as his generals are concerned. It would also mean that liberation is a lie as that land could never be occupied by anyone.
        
        Would Putin nuke his own soldiers? Not impossible, but implausible.
        
        The best thing nato could do to prevent a nuclear strike is to fund/run pow camps in Kiev and a couple of other major cities.
        
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        September 26, 2022 11:07am
      - Ghost
        
        Here is the link to the full speech above that John key made in 2009. Strange thing, I never said jacinda made the speech, everyone has been attacking her for making an speech against nuclear weapons, thing is all our pm’s make the nuclear free speech.
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/statement-opening-64th-general-assembly
        
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        September 26, 2022 11:10am
      - Matt Long
        
        Yes Key set out his Labour Lite agenda early, do you remember him saying “In a Labour party I lead…”
        Of course Luxon is a totally different kettle of fish, no wokeness there.
        
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        September 26, 2022 11:50am
- Paulus
  
  Understand that New Zealnd will make Ardern our Permanent Ambassador to the UN soon.
  I wish !
  
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  September 26, 2022 1:32pm
- Alex
  
  Mad Vlad is now stopping the draft dodgers from leaving the country, no wonder they got out of their cars and got on hired scooters in their hurry to get away.
  
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  September 26, 2022 3:14pm
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I am very curious as to why all these jewelry stores are being targeted.

With all due respect to Michael Hill, is there really a black market for their products? I can’t imagine there’s a crimimal mastermind orchestrating this as big stolen-to-order smash and grab operation.
Who is fencing this stuff? Who is buying it? Or are we going to start seeing hoodrats walking around wearing engagement rings like its some gangster bling?
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September 26, 2022 8:44am
- Littletramp
  
  Word Association game – what is the first word that jumps into your mind when you hear the words Michael Hill Jewellers?
  Insurance?
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:46am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I’ll start. The “nuclear free” thing is stupid.
  
  It cost New Zealand its alliance with the United States. There is simply no comparison with the degree of defence cooperation that Australia has with the USA.
  
  Secondly it has deprived New Zealand of the opportunity to ever develop nuclear power.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:01am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Sorry that comment was intended for a different thread.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:04am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Of course there is a market for stolen gold and diamonds.
  
  They sell high end diamonds. They can be reset.
  
  https://www.michaelhill.co.nz/p/certified-solitaire-engagement-ring-with-a-2-carat-tw-diamond-in-18kt-yellow-white-gold-C1282060323.html
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:03am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    High end and Michael Hill Ben? Not so sure about that.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:30am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Well they are selling $50,000 + diamond and gold rings. They must be worth something on the black market.
      
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      September 26, 2022 11:24am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        My wife would say “they sell delightful little chips” Ben. And $50k is the retail price. I guess it depends on the buyer, I’d suggest that anyone who knows something about grading would offer them significantly less.
        
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        September 26, 2022 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They can also have the facets changed in some cases.
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:08am
  - Exclamation Mark
    
    Respectfully: no one with that kind of cash is buying plltheir diamond rings from MH. That ring is on their website but I would very surprised if more than a handful of their stores actually stock these, and its probably there just for window dressing at the stores that do have them.
    
    Perhaps I am wrong and perhaps there are some shady pawn brokers in NZ buying up this glut of smash and grabbed jewelry but it just doesn’t make sense to me, resetting all these diamonds and melting down all this watered down gold – that’s a lot of effort to go to to convert this stuff and, again, who is buying it all?
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:49am
- Nickc2
  
  Isn’t Spring the marrying season in the Pacific Islands?
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:02pm
- cmm
  
  These kids are most likely stealing to order for organised crime (a practice known as boosting in USA).
  
  That MH merchandise is most likely going offshore.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:42pm
ClanMcleod

Ursula Von der Leyen threatening Italians to vote “properly” or she has the “tools” to sort it out.

The reason for the threats is the rise of a politician who appeals to the people of the country, but not one following the diktats of the elites in Brussels.

Giorgia Meloni’s electric performances at political rallies have made her a virtual shoo-in to become Italy’s first female prime minister in Sunday’s ballot. She’ll also be the first to campaign with the flame symbol, evoking the former fascist leader, Benito Mussolini.

Sounds scary, then you listen to her words.

“There is no possible mediation. Yes to the natural family. No to the LGBT lobbies. No to the violence of Islam, yes to safer borders, no to mass immigration, yes to work for our people, and no to major international finance,” said Meloni at a campaign event.

I would suggest this is something most rational people would agree with and support. Doesn’t sound very “fascist” to me.

Von der Leyen added that those same tools are already being used against Hungary and Poland.

“We will see the result of the vote in Italy,” said von der Leyen.

“If things go in a difficult direction — and I’ve spoken about Hungary and Poland — we have the tools.”

Von Der Leyen was making a clear reference to the European Commission’s ability to cut funding to member states it views as violating “rule of law,” a powerful tool Brussels can use to punish any democratically-elected government in Europe. Just last week, the commission proposed cutting €7.5 billion in funding to Hungary, with the country’s conservative government having long been a thorn in the side of the EU over its opposition to mass migration and support for traditional values.

Democracy is on it’s knees. von der Leyen should be removed from her position for even daring to threaten a sovereign nation with punishment for voting “the wrong way”. She should be removed for the punishments she has already imposed on Hungary.
This is blatant abuse of power and electoral interference. This is what happens when power is centralised in large bureaucratic bodies who care nothing for people at the local level. It is why NZ should be distancing itself from the directives of the lunatics at the UN, not embracing them more and more as Ardern is.
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September 26, 2022 8:47am
- tf78
  
  I think Ardern is part of it, that’s why we’re in the mess we’re in. Look what her friend Gavin Newsom has done to California.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Look at what Jaspinda has done to NZ, and she only just got started. Pandemic is over, need a new excuse to rip NZ apart. Gorrillapox? Nope. Reserve Bank? Nope, knows nothing about money or numbers. Fuel costs? Working on it.
    What else?
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:36am
    - mawm
      
      You know the answer – climate change and lockdowns.
      
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      September 26, 2022 3:43pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    tf78 – You’ll enjoy this. Jimmy Dore skewers Gavin Newsom in a little under 12 minutes.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ8oIiKlNwk
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:18am
- rockape
  
  And some people thought Brexit was a bad idea. If we wanted European rule we could have just let Hitler get on with it in 1939.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You got it. EU set up for trade and no borders. Whatever made them think they are the Government of Governments?
    Another bright idea rorted by the socialists
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Vote properly or she has the tools?
  Does she have control over the Mafioso?
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:32am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The EU and the the UN are the enemies of democractic citizens in NZ. Both have agendas to enslave the free thinking citizens of NZ. You have been warned.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:44am
- Paulus
  
  Remember wasn’t Von Der Leyden the Defence Minister for Germany who still appear to be fence sitting on Russia and the Ukraine.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:59am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    She left the German Armed Forces in a shocking state
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:53am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Funny von der Leyen sounds very much the fascist to me. It’s interesting how the hive mind is so readily embracing of authoritarianism when it’s dogmas are threatened. Think Ardern , Trudeau, Macron , chairman Dan and so on. A genuine river of filth who’s boundaries are only ever what they believe they can get away with never what is right or just.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Apologies, I forgot to give the link to the full story.
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-commission-president-threatens-italy-eve-election-says-brussels-has-tools-if-wrong?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=940
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The media is all over it.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300697748/voting-closes-in-italy-as-exit-poll-puts-farrights-giorgia-meloni-on-course-to-win
  
  I can’t find many rational accounts of her policies. Of course I have seen the media here call David Seymour “far right”.
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:51am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Actually, her views & policies are conservative – hardly fascist, but that is the world we live in. She promotes the family, hard word, live within means & be independent as a nation, isn’t a believer in LGBTQRTSUV++ psychlogical distortion.
    If she takes Italy on that course, they will be a much better nation.
    
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    September 26, 2022 12:30pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    The media are (mostly) foaming: Apparently she is “far right”, “hard right”, “extreme right” and the leader most like fascist Mussolini.
    
    Nothing says ‘popcorn!’ quite like millions of woke/leftist heads exploding en masse.
    
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    September 26, 2022 3:33pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Who has heard of a right wing philosophy that gives control of production to the Government?
  
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  September 26, 2022 1:05pm
- MCōs
  
  Exit polls suggest that only about a quarter of those who bothered to voted for Von der Leyen and the right picked up less than half the votes.
  
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  September 26, 2022 1:27pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  1News have literally just compared her to Mussolini, saying that was the last time Italy had a ‘far right’ leader.
  
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  September 26, 2022 6:31pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Except the point they miss is that those fascist were from the left ffs!!! Same with Hitler. They were socialists.
    The current libtards are beyond virtue signaling stupid. They don’t even understand the basics of left v right wing politics.
    
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    September 27, 2022 8:32am
slightlyrighty

We get the society we allow. If the Public rallied to stop these guys, if we all decided to act, if 20 people took action and grabbed these reprobates any time it was tried, would it stop?

Should we try?

These are kids, and they are the product of society that has, over the last few decades, removed consequences for actions. It’s about time they suffered the consequences.

Who’s with me?
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September 26, 2022 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Knock him the fuck out and mummy says “but he is a good boy” Then off you go with Plod to face an assault on a minor charge.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:40am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Then ask for Trial by Jury…..
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:03am
- ISeeRed
  
  “20 people”? You mean “20 men”, don’t you? And they didn’t look like “kids” to me.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:03pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Would we have a better society if parents still used a smack on the hand or bottom for discipline now and then?
  
  Remember it was outlawed to prevent abuse – how is that working out?
  
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  September 26, 2022 5:53pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    May 2007, 15.5 years ago Anti-smacking legislation was passed under Helen Clark’s Labour government.
    
    Despite a referendum where kiwis overwhelmingly showed their opposition to this law it remained in place. National failed the people with John Key refusing to revisit the legislation.
    
    Many people will say in hindsight it is a good thing this bill was passed. Well the fruits of this are the 15 year old children running around now with no respect for authority.
    
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    September 26, 2022 6:01pm
KH

Congratulations to those republic advocates who have insisted on going to work today.
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September 26, 2022 8:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Beach and boat/fishing is out of the question here. Best just rest in bed, get up at 1.30 and get on the piss.
  Oh wait, I am retired, already do that once a week LOL.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:43am
Pongo

There is a report in the Herald about a father being sentenced for raping his daughter. The judge applied a 15% discount after getting a cultural report which begs the question do we now have unequal justice system that is no longer blind ?
If this is the case then the justice minister should legislate and allow the public a say.
This horrible human got another 5% discount after getting letters of support which just blows my mind, who would write such a thing.
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September 26, 2022 8:54am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Cultural? What culture says that raping one’s children is OK?
  
  Surely the feminists in Government will be all over this one!
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:50am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I think you will find the cultural report says that the offender is traumatised by colonisation. That trauma led to mental illness. In turn that led to him raping his daughter.
    
    Or something along those lines. 🤡
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:09am
    - alloytoo
      
      I think we should decolonize the judicial system for everyone who is “Traumatised by Colonisation”.
      
      Think of the savings.
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:35am
- Benedict Yu
  
  IIRC, the Courts spend about 10 million dollars annually on cultural reports. The authors of such reports are making serious money.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:07am
  - rouppe
    
    I wonder if these cultural reports are of a similar quality to a vehicle pre-purchase inspection I had on a car I was selling.
    
    1. He misread the service sticker and said it was overdue a service when in fact that was the odo at the last service
    2. He said the oil level was low by checking it when the car was parked on an incline.
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:25am
    - ISeeRed
      
      It requires the talent of using a few thousand words to say “brown = victim”.
      
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      September 26, 2022 12:06pm
- Pongo
  
  I think if you are the victim or connected to the victim and the criminal gets 15% less time because of his culture I would guess that may create some resentment towards that culture.
  If you were also part of that culture you might not be comfortable that such abhorrent behaviour getting discounted in its name.
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Suffer little children

The Royal Commission into Abuse in Care held a hearing in which government officials were supposed to answer for the crimes committed against children in the state’s custody.

It was during the first week of that hearing that the Government passed legislation that will not enact accountability for children harmed by the state.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/a-structure-of-impunity
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September 26, 2022 8:56am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I trust those critics of the churches for their low compensation payments will be equally vociferous of the government.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:27am
- 3-coil
  
  Maggy – you have to feel for the poor Labourites, they have found themselves in a very conflicted position. In the past Labour governments have dished out gongs to some of the worst thugs who abused, molested and terrorised our most defenceless citizens – children in state institutions. The perpetrators of the hideous sadistic abuse to the children at Lake Alice, Kimberley and (most notoriously) Porirua psychiatric hospital are known and identified.
  
  They were often whanau connected groups who egged each other on – it was casual, gratuitous cruelty and violence. The staff included inter-generational abusers who did it for kicks, and we’re later rewarded by Labour with awards and titles to honour their “services”.
  
  There will be no inquiry into these hideous crimes while we have a Labour government. They are donkey-deep in the cover-up. As many of the pitiful remaining victims die off, and (continue to) finally saccumb to suicide, Labour will sit tight and hope the problem will “go away”. It’s Jacinda’s tried and true style of government, talk the talk then do nothing. Hopefully this time she will not get away with it – this crime is too evil to sweep under the carpet.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    and (most notoriously) Porirua psychiatric hospital
    
    My best friend from Primary school days died in Villa 9 Porirua Hospital aged 15. Her mum took me to visit her a couple of times…but not at the Villa.. I’d wait in the car, then when her mum had picked Jenny up we’d go to Plimmerton beach or somewhere for a picnic and swim.
    
    I knew Jenny died of a heart-attack, consequent of severe asthma…..but it was only today as I read of one survivor’s account of her time in Villa 9 that I read of how Jenny’s death was preventable.
    
    To this day, I remember when one of the new arrivals, a girl called Jennifer (aged 15) died. Late one evening, Jennifer had a severe asthma attack and collapsed on the floor inside the toilet. I was
    horrified to see her face turning blue as she gasped for breath. Although someone rang the emergency bell immediately, by the time help turned up Jennifer was unconscious. We waited anxiously for
    nearly a day before we found out that Jennifer had died. Those of us who knew her were terribly upset, but we were warned by staff not to talk about it. We did talk about it, constantly. We all believed that
    Jennifer might not have died, had the staff responded to the bell immediately.
    
    https://www.abuseincare.org.nz/assets/Uploads/Documents/Public-Hearings/Contextual/24.-Wardle-Jackson-Beverly-BOE.pdf
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:42am
    - 3-coil
      
      Maggy – That’s a very sad account of a tragic childhood spent in State care, more so for you with your friend featuring in her accounts. Our (male) relative was subjected to the same and more, from about the same time (late ‘60s/early ’70s) and he survived but never fully recovered from the abuse he suffered. His incarceration, shock treatment etc was to “cure his epilepsy” but it was the sadistic brutality of the kaihiki/carers who terrorised him (and most of the other children) that haunted him and ultimately caused his early death. They all have blood on their hands.
      
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      September 26, 2022 3:13pm
Caleb

If you step in and are underarmed, you end up like the good Samaritan in Napier who was badly injured. Perp gets a slap on the hand, everyone else gets shrugs and carries on.
While we don’t demand a change, the media and government will avoid the reality, who really cares about the dairy and liquor store owners and the real solutions are far too harsh, racist, right wing..
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September 26, 2022 8:57am
Nukuleka

Yesterday several young girls attempted to shoplift alcohol from my local New World in Stanmore Rd Christchurch. It seems that staff were alerted to them putting bottles into their bags and they stood at the exit and managed to grab bags and retrieve some of the bottles. But, of course, staff were instructed not to physically touch or apprehend the culprits. Such thieving hoodlums know that there will be few if any consequences of their actions. Even if they are caught it will be a slap on the hand with a wet bus ticket. They are simply above the law.
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September 26, 2022 9:10am
- tf78
  
  Stores should erect stocks outside their premises instead of bollards and leave the perps in there for the day – humiliation I think would cure their problems instead of the notoriety they seek.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The mentality of these germs is they will treat being in the stocks as a badge of honour.
    Photos – social media – look at what they did to me!!!
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:52am
- Cassandra
  
  And that’s the problem. Retrieving your property should be an ironclad defence to an accusation of violence and miscreants – thieves – should be heavily punished.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    But they are good boys/girls.
    The true problem is a wimpy soft cock Government, ministers and the woke Police (controlled by the Govt) Include the attitude of the parents too – “don’t you dare touch my child”
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:55am
- Sacha
  
  Surely supermarkets could devise a security device at the checkout which would only unlock after the till/payment was activated.
  Or an airport x-ray walk-through?
  I suppose nothing will be done until they lose enough money.
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:52am
  - Hebe123
    
    Isnt that why they pay security guards?
    
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    September 26, 2022 1:52pm
- ISeeRed
  
  So:
  1. What law prohibits this?
  2. Which government passed it and when?
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:07pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    I presume touching them would have been racist as well as sexist?
    
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    September 26, 2022 4:15pm
Bobba Fret

Phil Goff’s NZ Herald exit interview is interesting. As someone on the BFD pointed out this paragraph is interesting:
“Some of my best councillors [don’t align with my Labour background]. My deputy mayor is a lifelong member of the National Party, the chair of my finance committee, and her husband was for many years president of the National Party. And the chair of our regulatory committee sought selection as a national candidate. Those are three of my best councillors, frankly.”
Goff says what makes these councillors so good is that they have the interests of the city at heart and they’re not interested in ideology or party political stances.
Of course even after saying that, Goff says he wil vote for Efesso!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-podcast-phil-goff-exit-interview-efeso-collins-three-waters-and-baby-boomer-male-councillors/OQ3LEBIEYD4HXBNCQRFYKEH5IE/
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September 26, 2022 9:10am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A moment of candour, followed by a reversion to the meal ticket. Can’t have that ambassadorial post appointment threatened!
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes he will get his gong
    
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    September 26, 2022 9:56am
    - Paulus
      
      Poor Washington Embassy Staff !
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:01am
Rusty

Anyone else thinking this special day for remembering the Queen is going to be a amateur affair?

A few speeches and sing songs from our politicians and then a cup of tea and snacks later?

This should have taken place earlier either before or a day after the Queens funeral.
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September 26, 2022 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Just a token so the whole World to see.
  If there was no remembrance we would never hear the end of it.
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:59am
  - Sacha
    
    I had hay delivered yesterday (Sunday). No grass, lots of mud. Hungry animals. I was grateful to get it as there is great demand right now.
    Today will cost the contractor an extra thousand dollars for his 5 employees. He’s usually a pretty easy-going chap but now he’s angry. He is working all day today, as he does most days but is feeling pressured because he is trying to supply his local clients who are suffering feed shortages due to the wet winter/late spring and has 5 workers out of action. He’s feeling the pressure.
    He told me a couple of sad stories about farmers who haven’t coped with the pressures caused by government policies.
    In such small ways we see the anger of some, and the demoralisation of others.
    And the resentment grows –
    
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    September 26, 2022 12:06pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Before the company I worked for closed, I would be working today. Gates locked, not open to public, but I would have the workshop going flat out.
      No pay, but had an agreement where I worked that day, and then take a paid day off when the fishing/tide/weather was good. It worked fine.
      
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      September 26, 2022 12:41pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Nah. Timing aside, the event was pretty well organized and delivered. Jacinda’s spot was mercifully short and not her own words, other lay speakers did well (notably the schoolgirl), the musicians were excellent and the military and religious folk did their jobs to a high standard. Nothing that could fairly be dismissed as “amateur” in any of it
  
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  September 26, 2022 6:08pm
mawm

Jonathan Turley, professor of law at Washington University, on Ardern’s call for global censorship.

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/09/25/new-zealand-prime-minister-calls-for-global-censorship-system/
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September 26, 2022 9:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda wants ‘free speech’ then wants to have the power to censor it.
  Makes sense coming from her, say one thing and do the opposite
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:01am
NeverMindTheBollocks

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September 26, 2022 9:25am
kevn

@Clan… Meloni sounds great. Hope she pulls it off.
EU doing what they do. Control.
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September 26, 2022 9:27am
ClanMcleod

I read the latest post from Eugyppius this morning. They were talking about the continuing insanity of German health officials and their irrational pushing of covid policies. They are publishing provable lies and half truths to maintain this position. It is at the point of being delusional madness. This paragraph summed up the their position but it is one shared by many of our politicians, “experts” and citizens in NZ.

Nor is there any hope of ever correcting them. They harbour a deep desire for Corona to be bad, and a hunger for any factoid that casts the virus in a menacing or a dangerous light. The alternative is accepting that their policies are unjustified and they’ve inflicted massive harm for no reason.

As always with Eugyppius, worth reading in full.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/belated-remarks-on-germany-health

Far too many people had no problem standing by while their friends, families and others were segregated, vilified and punished for making a personal medical choice – they share this position.

They are in complete denial, don’t want to talk about it. If we even try and mention what happened we’re told to let it go, to move on.

There need to be some serious conversations and acknowledgments made before we will ever be able to move on. People need to understand this. It’s part of the process. We can move on eventually, but many people need to acknowledge that there were great harms done and that they won’t let it happen again.

A friend who was in the fire service but lost his job due to the mandates told me that one of his colleagues recently said to him, “that shouldn’t have happened, we should have at least stood by you.”

He told me the friend who said that isn’t the type to apologise, that this statement was as close to an apology as he was ever going to get. He said it was at least an acknowledgment that what happened was wrong. That at least as far as this friend was concerned he would now move on.
Now waiting for the others.
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September 26, 2022 9:38am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Interesting that amid the critics of Putin’s mobilisation of 300,000 men for the Russian army, I’ve not noticed a single Western feminist calling for conscription of women.
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September 26, 2022 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Conscription of women?
  It is different when it becomes real and not just an idea.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:05am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Why would you expect them to say that? If conscription is a bad thing then a more logical stance would be that nobody of either or any gender should be conscripted.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:06pm
- The only red for me is that of Manchester United
  
  Women will be mobilised. They fall under what is called group three. “the women most likely to be called up for Russia’s mobilization are those who have degrees in certain fields as determined by Russian law: medicine, communications, computer engineering, hydrology and meteorology, printing, and cartography.” From https://meduza.io/en Russia plans to mobilise 1.2 million people.
  Already 250,000 men have left Russia to evaded mobilisation. Most likely these men are probably the smarter men in good positions of employment and so the brain drain of Russia also continues.
  
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  September 26, 2022 2:35pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Meduza- yep would have the profile of a website controlled by the pentagon to spread BS.
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/19/pentagon-orders-review-psyops-after-takedown-fake-social-accounts/
    
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    September 26, 2022 5:45pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Keep in mind that the partial mobilization is not conscription.
  It is mobilization of those who have previously served in the Russian Military.
  
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  September 26, 2022 5:42pm
Observer of Life

“With fewer Covid-19 cases, a highly-vaccinated population, and anti-viral medicine access, officials say a sector-wide mandate is “no longer needed”.”
I keep hearing about these “new anti virals” that are now available. I phoned the Covid line to find out exactly what these anti virals are. They told me to call Healthline. Healthline couldn’t help either. No, I have to call my GP. So serious question, can anyone tell me exactly what these new medicines are?
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September 26, 2022 9:49am
- Ghost
  
  The GP and pharmacy are the ones to talk to, health line are useless
  
  https://pharmac.govt.nz/news-and-resources/covid19/access-criteria-for-covid-19-medicines/covid-antivirals/
  
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  September 26, 2022 9:52am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Thanks Ghost. So “Remdesivir“ is one. I’m pretty certain I’ve read that it’s extremely toxic. Must do some research on these “new” drugs.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:24am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Forget all the crap & get some Ivermectin. You’ll have to buy it online from overseas. Don’t need much, just order a small quantity – say 20 tabs of 3 mg. – that will fit in an envelope. I got some last year when they were stopping at the border – but mine & my friends lot got through.
      Trouble is, I haven’t had to use it – no jab, & still no Wuflu. Its all been a big con.
      
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      September 26, 2022 11:07am
      - Barbara
        
        I was in SE Europe and Istanbul this year. Turkey has the same cr.p government as NZ, but the trams were jam packed with the unmasked. Bulgaria, Albania, rural Greece: zero masks, zero covid, zero fear. Lots of handshakes everywhere, in Greece kisses and hugs on very slim acquaintance. I should be dead by now.
        
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        September 26, 2022 12:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wonder if the new ‘anti virals’ are more experimental medications for the sheep that continue to wear masks? You know – the ones that vote Labour, and love what Jaspinda is doing for NZ/R. T. Rower
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:09am
  - Observer of Life
    
    So just a quick search on the new anti-virals: Ritonavir and Nirmatrelvir are in fact Paxlovid.
    Paxlovid is classed as “experimental”.
    https://www.paxlovid.com/side-effects
    and…
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/nirmatrelvir-and-ritonavir-oral-route/side-effects/drg-20528231
    At least we know Ivermectin is safe for human consumption.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:38am
    - Sacha
      
      -and aren’t they reworks of Ivermectin? They fiddled with the formula so that they could apply for patents and then charge the earth for them.
      
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      September 26, 2022 12:23pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        From what I heard of unofficial tests last year, they perform worse than Ivermectin. Go figure.
        
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        September 26, 2022 1:41pm
      - MCōs
        
        If you say so it must be true
        
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        September 26, 2022 5:32pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Observer – please do yourself a favour, completely ignore Healthline and the Covid line. They either lied or gave us misinformation since the beginning of this circus. Nothing has changed. They will tell you that you need a booster. You don’t.
  
  Find other sources of information.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:40am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Clan: Don’t worry. I called both the Covid Line & Healthline knowing full well they wouldn’t be able to tell me a dammed thing. New anti-virals my arse. Yet again we’re being lied to by our government and their agencies. What a farce.
    
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    September 26, 2022 12:59pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I don’t know what they are called. But my partner’s father – 85 and in poor health caught COVID a couple of weeks back. He was given the anti virals and his symptoms were gone in 48 hours.
  
  I am not claiming cause and effect.
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:55am
  - Observer of Life
    
    BY: Still “experimental” according to what I posted above. With lots of BAD side effects.
    
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    September 26, 2022 1:01pm
    - MCōs
      
      All drugs have side effects.
      I take medication for epilepsy, which has stopped the seizures for the last ten years or more, but it’s slightly detrimental to the liver & thyroid.
      I’ll take my chances because I know what the seizures were like.
      You flip the coin, don’t you?
      
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      September 26, 2022 5:42pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Mcos: So are you saying your epilepsy meds are experimental? If not … we’re talking apples and oranges. And some how, I think you know that.
        
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        September 26, 2022 7:47pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I’m sure your epilepsy drugs were properly tested for a number of years before being released onto the market. As for the Pfizer experiment, were you given this list of concerns from Medsafe when you lined up for your shot? I doubt it.
        
        Table 1: List of important risks and missing information
        
        Important identified risks
        
        Anaphylaxis
        Myocarditis and pericarditis
        
        Important potential risks
        
        Vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED) including vaccine associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD)
        
        Missing information
        
        Use in pregnancy and while breast feeding
        Use in immunocompromised patients
        Use in frail patients with co-morbidities (eg, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), diabetes, chronic neurological disease,
        cardiovascular disorders)
        Use in patients with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders
        Interaction with other vaccines
        Long term safety data
        
        Here’s the link to the Medsafe Risk Management Plan where this information can be found.
        
        https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
        
        I’ve asked many people if they were aware of any of this. So far nobody knew about it.
        That’s not “flipping a coin”. That’s playing Russian Roulette.
        
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        September 27, 2022 8:43am
Paulus

Happy New Year
Shan Tova !
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September 26, 2022 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What? another holiday? Great!!
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:11am
Ghost

This is a strange story. I’m just left wondering why the lady doesn’t get a rag, a bit of bleach and clean her cupboards. If she can’t clean it because of her health I’m sure her kids or friends can.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/129971413/auckland-family-eating-on-mats-outdoors-to-avoid-mould-in-kinga-ora-home

Auckland family eating on mats outdoors to avoid mould in Kāinga Ora home
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September 26, 2022 10:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Polio? On this day and age in NZ? I guess she caught it in her Country of origin. Do these people get tested before coming to NZ?
  Nothing against the woman. Polio is terrible, I remember some teachers having it from my high school days. Click, click on his steel legs to bend his knees and sit down.
  On the original story, I guess KO are going to have to supply cleaners on a regular basis. More jobs created by Labour – great job.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:19am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    She will be from Afghanistan. Or Pakistan. They are the only two countries left with polio.
    
    She will not be contagious. She will have the life long effects of the infection she acquired before coming to New Zealand.
    
    BTW polio could have been eradicated. The Islamic militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan hinder the administration of vaccines.
    
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    September 26, 2022 10:28am
- Benedict Yu
  
  My Kàinga Ora associate tells me that mould is a huge problem. Many tenants do not open the windows in winter. They dry wet clothes on racks in the lounge room. In some cases Kàinga Ora will provide dehumidifiers. However frequently the tenants refuse to use them because of the cost of electricity.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:34am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Not just KO tenants that do this. Unless a design issue creating rising damp, the issues that create most moisture in homes:
    – breathing
    – bathing
    – cooking
    – drying clothes inside
    
    Moulds need food and water to grow. So lack of cleaning provides dust, mostly skin cells, for food. Lack of ventilation, leaving bathroom door open, wet towels lying around etc creates the high humidity environment for moulds to thrive.
    
    Easy answer is bad landlord. Hard answer is teach people how to live healthily, cleaning house and keeping the house as low humidity as possible.
    
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    September 26, 2022 6:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I feel sorry for this poor woman, but she does seem to have been placed into housing not well suited for her disability. With so many new, well designed houses coming on stream, surely there are better options for her.
  
  More generally, you would think that the refugee resettlement people would include a module on mould & how to remove it; and,
  
  Where are those bleeding heart refugee advocates in the months and years that follow arrival? If the MP for Tijuana is down on his hands & knees scrubbing floors for disabled refugees, he’s keeping it well hidden.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Down on his hands and knees for another reason
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:25am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Apparently, the mould was caused by a leaking pipe in the wall. She is getting a whole new kitchen in a few weeks.
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:26am
- artemisia
  
  Simple, Ghost. She wants a different state house and is well aware that being on the front page is the best way to get one stat.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:41am
kevn

@Ghost… Cleaning and ventilation. Open de windows.
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September 26, 2022 10:10am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  And fix the damn tap! Why is the world full of useless people?
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:48am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Refugees from Afghanistan will rarely be able to fix leaking pipes.
    
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    September 26, 2022 11:28am
    - Colville
      
      There is very little in the world that is not covered by a helpful YouTube video!
      
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      September 26, 2022 2:29pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      If it’s the pipe in the wall that’s a different story and the landlord should have been onto it.
      
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      September 26, 2022 2:53pm
Yvette

Next steps in Declaration Plan
23 April 2022 – Hon Willie Jackson
“We’ve now completed the first stage of the two-step engagement process to develop a Declaration Plan. This has provided us with valuable feedback to help with drafting a Declaration Plan that we will then take out to wider consultation,” Willie Jackson said.
“Almost 70 targeted engagement workshops were held mainly online. Māori rōpū represented diverse groups ranging from iwi, hapū, tāngata whaikaha Māori (disability community) and rangatahi, to groups interested in health, education, and the environment.
“The drafting of the Declaration Plan will now commence and will be undertaken in partnership with the National Iwi Chairs Forum’s Pou Tikanga and the Human Rights Commission over the next couple of months before being shared for public consultation later this year.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/next-steps-declaration-plan

“… a Declaration Plan”
So, where is it?
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September 26, 2022 10:25am
ClanMcleod

I just found out, poor old South Canterbury misses out on the public holiday for the Queen.
This was already a public holiday for them.

https://publicholidays.co.nz/south-canterbury-anniversary-day/

Do they get a raincheck???!!!
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September 26, 2022 10:32am
- Ghost
  
  Yeah it’s now moved to coincide with Canterbury anniversary.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:34am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The only reason that Mourning Day is today is so that Jaxxie can front & centre.
  
  Can’t have her UN moment taken from her.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:37am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Jaxxie needs to get off her jacksie and fix the issues in nz … I had to be resuscitated in the local supermarket this morning when broccoli was priced at $6.95 a head – one cabbage eight bucks. Enough of dressing up like a raven from the Tower of London, then telling off Putin at the UN – she certainly was the star of the show at the NZ memorial service and with ratings plummeting, took along daughter and fiancée – our royal family god save me!
    
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    September 26, 2022 4:42pm
  - MCōs
    
    Don’t you think it’s appropriate the service should be scheduled on a date to enable the PM to attend.
    Furthermore
    If there is to be a holiday, as are the UK , OZ & Canada, a Monday is the least disruptive.
    As for poor old Timaru it’s a freezing 13° down there so it makes sense to move the holiday to Chch show day and at least the locals will have something to look forward to in their miserable lives.
    
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    September 26, 2022 5:28pm
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/west-coast-regional-council-members-question-bilingual-road-sign-proposal/PFBZBYMMA63V7BYTHTLA4CPLUQ/

All road signs in New Zealand are going fully maori or bi-lingual. Happens to be first reported in the west coast.

Us english speakers will have to start demanding a 50/50 share of place names 🙂 Tauranga could become “Southhampton”, Rotorua could be “Slough”…. etc etc….
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September 26, 2022 10:38am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Remuera translates to Burnt Bum
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:47am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  More money wasted by idiots = more potholes and road casualties.
  
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  September 26, 2022 10:50am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The words are going to get smaller and more difficult to read when you tack more words onto the same size sign, or the signs are going to have to get bigger.
  
  Which language is going to be on top?
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:39am
  - Observer of Life
    
    No prize for guessing that info@
    
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    September 26, 2022 3:57pm
- thetiedarch
  
  I saw a headline yesterday talking about how some facility with a big long Maori name was opening soon, but wouldn’t be offering ‘additional services’.
  
  It’s a hospital. How is it ok to name some THAT important, with a name that 90% of the population won’t understand?!
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:06pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’m guessing you haven’t been to a hospital lately. As soon as the new health agency took over all signs outside and inside hospitals went to maori and English
    
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    September 26, 2022 12:09pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    A hospital in Auckland has so many wards with Māori names, I’m not sure how the (many) UK doctors working there know where to go in the event of a cardiac arrest and resus call. It’s so bloody dangerous that even blind Freddy can see the potential problem – but no, we have to go most woke that’s what is important
    
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    September 26, 2022 3:35pm
- cmm
  
  But what’s the problem?
  
  All road signs are already bilingual, written in the original Maori script too.
  
  There’s a street sign close to me. Fully bilingual:
  
  English: “Harewood Road”
  Maori: ” ”
  
  Maori is an unwritten language, so it is cultural subjugation to inflict a written form on it.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:48pm
  - Paulus
    
    Catch up – Maori is now a written Language and don’t you forget it.
    
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    September 26, 2022 1:41pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Written language gifted to Maori.
      
      Where’s the Treaty settlement for that?
      
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      September 26, 2022 1:59pm
    - MCōs
      
      In Thailand, you’ll be shocked to hear, all the road signs are digraphia Thai/Latin even though the latter is not in common usage & there isn’t a correct way to write Thai words in Latin script & vice versa.
      
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      September 26, 2022 6:38pm
  - Hebe123
    
    They didn’t have roads anyway!
    
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    September 26, 2022 2:03pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Still don’t, they use ours without paying for them. Rates are for pakeha.
      
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      September 26, 2022 3:01pm
      - MCōs
        
        When you say ‘ours’ who are you referring to, whitey?
        
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        September 26, 2022 6:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        Wtf, what a stupid racist comment. Of course maori pay tax and rates. I guess in your tiny little brain you have this fantasy that maori don’t work, they don’t pay for anything.
        
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        September 26, 2022 6:24pm
Bloody Dago

Is the same pattern of ram raids happening in Aussie?
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September 26, 2022 10:45am
Yvette

Russia tries to conscript Ukrainians
Russian forces in occupied parts of Ukraine are trying to force Ukrainian men to fight against their own country, according to Ukrainian officials, witnesses and rights groups.
In two regions, Kherson and Zaporizka, all men ages 18 to 35 have been forbidden to leave and ordered to report for military duty, Ukrainian officials and witnesses said. The roundups follow President Vladimir Putin’s declaration of a “partial mobilization” last week that is also sweeping up hundreds of thousands of Russians.
Moscow is also forcing residents of occupied areas to vote in staged referendums, which began on Friday, on joining Russia.

“Russian forces in occupied parts of Ukraine are trying to force Ukrainian men to fight against their own country.”

And would successful “staged referendums” in the regions where those are held, have the consequence of their men being conscripted too?
Surely what is called a “no brainer”?
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September 26, 2022 10:58am
- All_on_Red
  
  I’m somewhat sceptical that Putins Generals are ‘sweeping up hundreds of thousands of Russians’.
  They will be lucky to get thousands- and they will be older men who haven’t served for decades and will be given a two week training course. Lol.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:14pm
- Ra Henare
  
  As you say “reported by Ukrainian officials”.
  
  Yep the propaganda war does throw up some interesting ïtems””
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/19/pentagon-orders-review-psyops-after-takedown-fake-social-accounts/
  
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  September 26, 2022 5:52pm
kevn

@Yvette… I find Alexander Mercouris comment on youtube a useful balanced commentary.
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September 26, 2022 11:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kevn – I agree. I think he provides balance. But when I mentioned his name a couple of weeks ago a number of people wrote him off as a Putin shill.
  I guess it’s what people do when they don’t like the message, attack the messenger.
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:19am
- Ra Henare
  
  another journalists opinion?
  http://survivingintheusa.com/foreign-affair-analysis-alexander-mercouris/
  
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  September 26, 2022 5:56pm
ClanMcleod

I read part of Ardern’s speech on the blog posted up thread.

“New Zealand Prime Minister Calls for a Global Censorship System”

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/09/25/new-zealand-prime-minister-calls-for-global-censorship-system/

But what if that lie, told repeatedly, and across many platforms, prompts, inspires, or motivates others to take up arms. To threaten the security of others. To turn a blind eye to atrocities, or worse, to become complicit in them. What then?

The article is very much worth reading. Ardern calling for global censorship of information. She again references “disinformation” but she, nor any of her bevy of “experts” and shill journalists has ever managed to successfully tell us what the fuck this “disinformation” actually is. You’d think after 2 and a half years they’d be able to come up with a clear and easy to comprehend example.

Anyway, I took a different interpretation from Ardern’s words.

She is the one who lied repeatedly across many platforms. Not just re covid. Re child poverty. Re homelessness. Re mental health problems. She has lied about pretty much everything she campaigned on.

She is the one who motivated others (the police) to take up arms against NZ citizens when they battered protesters in Wellington.

She is the one who paid the media (who took with them many of the members of the public who were propagandised), to turn a blind eye to atrocities and to become complicit in them. Segregating friends and family. Dobbing in neighbours for going for a walk. Happily eating out and socialising while others were stigmatised and vilified.

Thanks for the reminder Ardern.
Never forget. I never will.
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September 26, 2022 11:12am
- Ghost
  
  Look at the Christchurch call what has it achieved, nothing. Just a few weeks ago a murder was live-streamed on Facebook.
  
  Anything these dictators want to implement is to just control the flow of information to what they want people to believe. They will fail.
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:24am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “But what if that lie, told repeatedly, and across many platforms….”
  
  FFS she tells lies across many platforms. She literally said that she would use the vaccines to stamp out COVID like measles. Her belief that such an outcome was possible led to the vaccine passes and mandates.
  
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  September 26, 2022 11:31am
- mandk
  
  Ardern is responsible for the worst piece of disinformation for many a year: “Safe and effective”
  
  You could say much the same about “No penalties at all” (for not getting vaxxed), “Most open and transparent ever” or “This is the year of delivery”.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:42pm
Nickc2

Yep, a sad state of affairs alright. The world according to Ardern! I perish the thought.
It looks like her aim is to spread Socialism to the world. I wonder if that is what her last visit to Black Rock in the USA was all about.
Given her trip to the US from Britain with Justin Trudeau/Jagger in his aircraft, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if George Soros hasn’t chosen Cindy and Justin to push his version of Socialist Doctrine even harder. He’s not getting any younger and he hasn’t succeeded in his mission just yet.
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September 26, 2022 11:28am
- Rusty
  
  Nickc2- Justin Trudeau/ Jagger. I never thought of that!
  His mother Margaret did have a fling with Jagger back in the 70s and got Keith Richards off prison time for importing heroin into Canada.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:26pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, it was rumoured that she was the Player of the Day Award for Rock Stars.
    
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    September 26, 2022 12:40pm
    - Colville
      
      https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Margaret-Trudeau–former-wife-of-Pierre-/BEB093D1E29ED226
      
      interesting pose…..
      
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      September 26, 2022 2:34pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    We could try “so what?” about something might or might not have happened in Canada 50 or so years ago.
    
    I remember (I was there) Justin being born Xmas Day 1972. Margaret was a lot younger than Pierre – who was a very cool dude …
    
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    September 26, 2022 6:31pm
Ghost

Labour ignore treasury advice again

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-decile-1-school-de-la-salle-college-may-cut-programmes-after-losing-out-on-funding-in-new-equity-index/FBAZTHL4ZYLJJECBY7K6V3IXMI/

A former decile 1 high school is set to lose about $100,000 in annual funding – more than $100 a student – under the Government’s new education scheme.

The Government was warned about this precise outcome and told by Treasury to increase overall funding to help soften the blow for low decile schools, but rejected the advice.
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September 26, 2022 11:28am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-burglaries-harvey-norman-latest-retailer-to-be-targeted-by-thieves/V6D6YBZKRMLXAJREAENZIWUUEU/

I’d be wild if I were the Harvey Norman franchise owner….

“The thieves fled from the store in three vehicles.
One vehicle was spotted by police officers but it failed to stop and was not pursued.
“The two other vehicles were later located abandoned,” said a police spokesperson”
“At this stage, no arrests have been made.”

On top of this, these scumbags stole three cars, ruining the lives of the owners of those cars.

The COPS are COWARDS, literally aiding and abetting crime.
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September 26, 2022 11:53am
- kowtow
  
  When they announced the no pursuit policy , they basically handed over control of crime to the criminal classes.
  
  This was in the interests of ‘safety” ( isn’t it always)
  
  Now the general public don’t feel safe .
  
  But the crooks sure do.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:20pm
- Ian Boag
  
  COPS are COWARDS
  
  Bullshit. I assume – like most KBers (including me) you are too old to be involved in anything seriously physical.
  
  So what brave thing would you have done? Chased them so they could run into – and injure/kill – some inocent bystander?
  
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  September 26, 2022 6:35pm
- Ghost
  
  The police would have been obeying the pursuit rules that were put in place because of the public outcry of people dying in police chases
  
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  September 26, 2022 6:49pm
oldfella

A hot trend in the US…
Choose obesity to promote equity
Equity? Wow! Maybe obesity is a right under the TOW? Who knows?
BTW, make sure you’re not holding a hot drink when you read this… 😉
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2022/09/24/choose-obesity-to-promote-equity-n498786
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September 26, 2022 12:03pm
vand

I heard the court cultural reporters get paid $450 for each report, and involve mainly tick the box inputs.
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September 26, 2022 12:05pm
All_on_Red

The contender for Italy’s PM sounds just like the sort the EU would hate.
‘Meloni made her comments this week during a rally in the Piazza del Popolo in Rome, saying: “Italy is better than the left-wing governments it has had in recent years. The left is there to blather that everyone is afraid, but the only ones who are afraid are them because they have understood that their system of power is about to end.”
“We are ready, until the last vote, to restore freedom and pride to this nation. They say the markets, Europe, TikTok singers, actors, and influencers are worried about a centre-right victory. We don’t care what they say. We care what the Italians think,” Meloni continued, in comments reported by the newspaper Il Giornale.
We are scary. But to whom? We only scare those who fear losing power, certainly not the Italians. We have shown that we are not as naïve as the mainstream hoped we were. Thank you for showing that in our part of Italy politics is love and not hate, it is not a crusade against one’s opponents but is made up of concrete proposals,” she said.”

Meloni is “far right,” which means she is skeptical of the benefits of endless illegal immigration, and a “firebrand,” which means she gives speeches that voters like.
This, after Sweden, Hungary and Poland. Is the this the beginning of the end for the EU?
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September 26, 2022 12:19pm
- kevn
  
  @All-on… ‘Far right’ the media say, what a joke More centralist than that.
  Bring it on, we need one like her in NZ.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:45pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The EU is an elite-controlled, authoritarian construct. It is toxic in its current form. Better to see it collapse and be replaced by something new founded by like-minded countries that value national sovereignty first, and constructive collaboration second.
  
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  September 26, 2022 12:47pm
Bridgenag

Just told that in Mooloo land alpha male relation accosted a ratbag stealing from a bin next door …… mother thought he was smart until I pointed out to her that much like the mafia “we know where you are ” the gangs could come back and get him….
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September 26, 2022 12:56pm
jon

Great results coming in from Italy. Shock horror for the lefties as yet another country in Europe turn right in order to protect their heritage and traditions from the madness of open borders and
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September 26, 2022 1:24pm
- kevn
  
  @jon… Great news.
  The ‘horrid’ hasn’t got the Italian election message yet. jaxxie is taking front page, again.
  
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  September 26, 2022 2:56pm
  - MCōs
    
    Depends which front page you look at.
    The Italian election is #1 item on their World section.
    
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    September 26, 2022 5:14pm
Maggie Pie

A twitter bestie retweets…..

‘This deserves to GO VIRAL’

https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1573857997096636416
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September 26, 2022 1:49pm
Alex

Watching Queen’s memorial service where John 10 is quoted by St. Mary’s school girl.
“I am the Good Shepherd” when the wolf comes, the hireling runs away.
A good shepherd is badly needed for NZ.
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September 26, 2022 2:51pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I see her surname was Ngarimu. Wonder if she is a descendent of the VC
  
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  September 26, 2022 7:41pm
Ghost

So asking questions that show a protestor is a hypocrite is now bullying

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/green-mp-slams-heather-du-plessis-allan-after-interview-with-teen-climate-activist-sparks-bullying-allegations.html

Green MP Julie Anne Genter has hit out at Newstalk ZB broadcaster Heather du Plessis-Allan after an interview with a teenage climate activist sparked bullying allegations.
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September 26, 2022 2:52pm
- nathie
  
  Check out the protester’s mum (her Spinoff article) who is the real bully here – when caught out she dishes out the hate and wants to cancel HDPA!
  
  Obviously another “white middle class” Green voting hypocrite, happy to holiday in Fiji via jet travel, but supports climate strike actions and when her daughter is called out the mother doesn’t apologise for her hypocrisy she doubles down with spite.
  
  Sock it to them HDPA!
  
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  September 26, 2022 3:02pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    The “”you poor thing”” syndrome at work.
    Mummy is so upset that you were exposed to the real world.
    
    What a nasty person!. They asked you real questions and not patsy questions.
    
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    September 26, 2022 6:46pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Is mummy a School Teacher? If so, it largely explains the situation.
    
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    September 26, 2022 6:58pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  A shame she wasn’t asked how animals recycling atmospheric CO2 cause climate change.
  
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  September 26, 2022 3:09pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I don’t have a lot of sympathy for the kid.
  She doesn’t seem to realise that she’s suffering through the best standard of living the world has ever seen, and it can largely be blamed on fossil fuels. She will likely live a long, comfortable life thanks to FF.
  There’s probably not too much preventing her from living a life without FF if she actually wanted to – she could live out what would probably be a very short life in the bush somewhere, or maybe a desert. Actually, plenty of Africans already do lead FF-free lives – maybe she could move there.
  How idiotic is it to demand a massive culling of our herd? Does she seriously want the country to destroy itself?
  Maybe her parents could force a trip to Germany on her this coming winter. That might give her a wee taste of what life without FF will look like if she got her way. She’s mistaken if she thinks we can ditch FF and maintain our wonderful lifestyles with only expensive, unreliable energy to help us.
  Nope, not a lot of sympathy ar all.
  
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  September 26, 2022 3:20pm
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    But it’s ok – mum said she is a vegetarian (amongst other virtuous things like buying second hand clothes!!) …. If you get rid of cows, that’s no milk or cheese (of the delicious variety) so the menu would be limited to lettuce leaves
    
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    September 26, 2022 3:41pm
  - MCōs
    
    “best standard of living the world has ever seen”
    That’ll be news to all the people on this forum who constantly bitch and moan about our standard of living going down the gurgler.
    
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    September 26, 2022 4:48pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      By any objective standard our quality of life has declined under Labour
      
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      September 26, 2022 7:00pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Well that was delicious. Well done HDPA.
  That Mum sure got triggered and given she hasn’t changed her lifestyle I guess she disagrees with her Daughter. The lack of self awareness is huge.
  
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  September 26, 2022 3:46pm
BeaB

Bullying? Tell that to the Ashburton College kids being beaten up.
Izzie was a nice middle class girl who forgot that not everyone will accept her prattle at face value. HDPA did exactly as you would expect any journalist to.
Except those of course who have taken the Danegeld so stay in business by feeding us propaganda.
I hope Izzie learns from this that being young and earnest isn’t enough.
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September 26, 2022 4:06pm
- nathie
  
  And they (the Greenies) want 16 years olds to vote. Which means political debating …. but here is an example of a youngster and her mum who can’t handle the political debating and resort to cries of “bullying”.
  
  Well if this is what letting 16 (and therefore 17) year olds to vote potentially looks like – silence or cancel those that disagree with them … then no-thanks!
  
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  September 26, 2022 5:24pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    OTOH – anyone over 80 is not voting on anything that will affect them …. 🙂
    
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    September 26, 2022 7:15pm
    - Greenheart
      
      Ageist and untrue
      
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      September 26, 2022 7:26pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yes, lets hope they are wise and mature enough to vote for whats good for the country.
      Which would be refreshing in these days of blatant self interest
      
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      September 26, 2022 8:16pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      The wisdom of the elders is respected in traditional societies – not by the Left, though.
      
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      September 26, 2022 9:35pm
    - Keith White
      
      OTOOH – anyone over 80 has usually contributed way more than they will ever cost again.
      
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      September 26, 2022 10:13pm
Ghost

To quote Phil Collins

it’s another day for you, you and me in paradise

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shooter-on-the-run-after-one-seriously-injured-in-napier/MXIAIM4FNRBR27MHWKNSNY7NSM/

Shooter on the run after one seriously injured in Napier
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