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Warren

Jacinda Ardern at it again telling people how good she and New Zealand are at fixing problems like the Russian invasion of Ukraine and how to fix it.
What the world really doesn’t know is Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister talks a lot on what she would do which normally ends up doing nothing and moving on to make more problems for her to talk about how she will fix them.
Jacinda Ardern is all talk no substance and you only have to look at the mess she is making in New Zealand to understand she is a expert at everything and a master of none and likes to blame everyone else for what ever goes wrong.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/full-speech-jacinda-ardern-addresses-un-general-assembly.html
How can the darling of the New Zealand and World Media be so inapt you might ask but you only have to look at her track record to see, Jacinda can’t be wrong and can’t be told , criminals have more power than hard working taxpayers, wants to make Maori a equal partnership in Government dispite having just under 17% of the population and is prepared to sell out our water rights to Maori even though over 70 % disagree, Jacinda Ardern our Prime Minister is all hui no doey a expert in everything and a master of none but is prepared to tell the World how to stop Puton and Russia but can’t fix the ordinary problems New Zealander’s face.
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September 24, 2022 8:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Still waiting for the ‘Emperor has no clothes’ moment.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Empororess – or something
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:22am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Empress.
      
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      September 24, 2022 10:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        🙂
        
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        September 24, 2022 11:03am
      - Manu-Rau
        
        I should express that I’m unimpressed by the empress.
        
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        September 24, 2022 11:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stop it guys. I may have to take two anti nightmare pills, and another strong Jacks.
      Later I mean, not now……
      
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      September 24, 2022 4:40pm
  - David George
    
    All fur coat and no knickers?
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:45am
    - crikey
      
      “All mouth and no trousers”.
      
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      September 24, 2022 11:14am
      - igm
        
        A Sydney Flash: “All hair oil and no socks”.
        
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        September 24, 2022 3:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The ‘mess she is making in NZ’ is intentional. Notice that all of her shit is someone else’s fault? She is destroying NZ just as Clark and Cullen did. Prove me wrong.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:21am
  - mawm
    
    The destruction of all the liberal Western democracies has been going on for some time. It must be intentional.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:33am
  - Michael Johnston
    
    I’m no fan of Clark or Cullen but you do them a massive disservice by casting them in the same league as Ardern. They were basically competent managers who did some damage to New Zealand’s prosperity. Ardern is destroying us economically and socially. She’s in a league of her own when it comes to incompetence, hubris and arrogance.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:38am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      While NZ is certainly going downhill rapidly under Arden, the rot started with Clark.
      
      She is a member of the nasty, global, socialist, elite cabal. Ideologically she is the architect and sponsor behind Ardern. Proof proof the left will cry, where is your proof?
      
      Look no further than her position in WEF think tank Chatham House and her presence in Davos this year. Her sponsorship of Ardennes career, and how she was the natural replacement to go to the US in Ardens place. Surely that would have been the Deputy PMs or Foreign Ministers role not some has been ex PM from 6 terms prior.
      
      Clark is undoubtedly more intelligent and capable than Ardern — but the teacher is well pleased with her student.
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:56am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        One of Helen Clark’s signature achievements was to systematically destroy credible alternative Labour PMs. Hence, when the voters finally saw through her & voted her out, the cupboard was bare. Labour went through a series of incompetents before latching on to Jaxxie in some kind of strange reverse miracle.
        
        Anyway, Jaxxie is the result of Helen’s pogrom – don’t ever forget that.
        
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        September 24, 2022 2:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        And Clark took the free seat to New York.
        Fuck, it was free, jump in boots and all!
        
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        September 24, 2022 4:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The cupboard will be “bare” just as it was after Clark and Cullen. The cowards also resigned on the Election evening. Jaspinda will do the same, if she is still there.
      Just remember, Cullen was a history teacher/lecturer (or whatever) who knew nothing about finance.
      
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      September 24, 2022 10:15am
      - Ian Boag
        
        cupboard will be “bare”
        
        OTOH the net government debt had been ground down to practically nothing by Cullen running surpluses and paying down debt. Grumbles from many that the money should have been used for tax cuts. The same people were scratchy about how Kiwisaver and the Super Fund were also taking out money that could have been used for tax cuts.
        
        Go figure.
        
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        September 24, 2022 11:21am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        To Ian Boag, not so fast Ian, Cullen paid down the debt leaving the incoming Government with 3 months of funds. And bragged about it. So the guy was a spiteful little git. Only a retard would pay their mortgage off and leave no money to live on.
        
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        September 24, 2022 1:21pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Don’t forget Cullen’s great trainset buyback, when Toll were ready to practically give the company away.
        
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        September 24, 2022 2:54pm
    - kowtow
      
      Didn’t the wind down of our coal power stations start under HC ?
      
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      September 24, 2022 12:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, but blanket ban on new oil/gas exploration was never voted upon. It was a Socialist/Communist Captain’s call. Right there and then, without public consultation.
        The woman is a menace to New Zealand. Not sure about that R. T. Rower place.
        
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        September 24, 2022 4:49pm
- Jack5
  
  Ardern’s sniffed uranium in the wind, and thinks it’s a chance of emulating Lange, not so much on stopping French tests in the Pacific, as enhancing her post-2023 employability.
  
  The Herald quotes her on nukes: “.. .the reputation that New Zealand has globally on issues that matter like nuclear issue.”
  
  Ardern’s probably thinking of her job chances post-2023.
  
  NZ isn’t too small to have a nuclear opinion. Kim Jong-un runs another small country, and big countries listen to him.
  
  My question is: why do our Labour leaders have to be so smug about being anti-nuclear?
  
  Regardless, in the run-up to the 2023 election nukes and Ukraine won’t count as French bomb tests did politically for Lange.
  
  The stink of NZ inflation will overwhelm Lange’s famed whiff of uranium.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Big Countries listen to Kim Jong-un because he is unstable. Trump had him under control. Biden just does not go down that path.
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:18am
- Bloody Dago
  
  Yep Yep Yep Na Na Na FJA
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:33am
artemisia

OT staff are considering striking (Herald yesterday) over pay, workload and cultural issues. The latest annual report shows that as at June 2021 it employed 4977 people and had 5250 children in its care. That’s an interesting staff / client ratio.

Meanwhile OT has been hammered by The Treasury on how it is spending the $1.1 billion extra funding in the 2019 Budget, saying the cost of putting a child into OT’s care was increasing without any appreciable improvement in outcomes.

Sounds like OT staff and management should take a good hard look at themselves and make sure proposed strike action is correctly targeted.
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September 24, 2022 8:07am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Wow that ratio. Its basically an employee per child and still nothing improves. Statism is an expensive delusion.
  
  Add it to the list of ministries that will be abolished.
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:44am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    It’s an illusion Thought. There are 5 staff per 1000 kids. The rest all collect $100k salaries to manage the 5. She’s a tough gig.
    
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    September 24, 2022 8:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is going to stop, as will many other Public Sector wastages
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:29am
  - David Garrett
    
    …and just who – or rather which party – do you think would take such a bold step as abolishing OT??
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Where are the parents of the 5250 children?
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:26am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  OT waste all their time on Maori wonderfullness efforts and activities and pussyfooting around abusive drugged up irresponsible parents and whanaus. Gotta question the whole approach of leaving kids with shit families. Maybe they’d be better off with care in a high standards institution – state run residential schools where they get cared for and educated properly by people who give a shit. High payoff if you can turn abused kids into productive adults.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:28am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Much OT leadership is so dire the coalface workers leave faster than they can be hired. Many of the young people they are supposed to manage are far more than a full time job for one person. They and their families are just trouble on legs.
    
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    September 24, 2022 11:13am
    - igm
      
      When you pay ferals to keep breeding this is the outcome. We need a complete overhaul of the whole public service and its employees. The implementation of directives need to be thoroughly investigated with irresponsibility rewarded by dismissals. After all, they are misappropriating taxpayers’ money to satisfy their political, and ideological desires.
      
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      September 24, 2022 3:25pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    Weren’t they being taken off shit parents by the dastardly white folk, which was why OT was turned over to Maori control and as such much improved outcomes by people who knew the score?
    
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    September 24, 2022 4:38pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Hard to believe that that extra $1.1B hasn’t filtered down to staff salaries.
  
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  September 24, 2022 3:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Barry Brill on 50 reasons to re-think Climate Policy

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/09/22/50-reasons-to-re-think-climate-policy/
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September 24, 2022 8:07am
- Scott
  
  Nuts says DPF in a post yesterday –
  Give children “the vote when they’re seven, and the world will be a whole lot better”, says lecturer, child counsellor and neuroscience educator Nathan Wallis
  
  All the reasons people say an 8-year-old can’t vote “are the same reasons they gave for why you couldn’t give black people the vote, or women”, Wallis says.
  
  People remain black all their lives and remain women all their lives. You don’t remain seven years old all your life. It is an inane argument.’
  
  The problem I have with DPFs comments is that ship has already sailed. The liberal elite has already lost the plot. Our settled opinions are insane.
  
  For example :
  – A child should be able to choose their own sex and have surgery to change to their self appointed gender identity.
  – A man can marry a man and be husband and husband
  – The world is ending because the temperature has gone up 1°C. We should give up all fossil fuels and return to pre-industrial civilisation in response.
  – It doesn’t matter what form your family takes. On no account should we prefer the traditional family of mum and dad and the kids.
  – Pre European Maori society was marvellous and we should change everything to be more like NZ was in 1839.
  I could do this all day. However if you disagree with any of the above you are a hateful person with an irrational phobia of some kind. 🤔
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wallis is doing only what an unstable person can do, think up loony ideas.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:31am
    - Don Beckett
      
      @Maggy. That’s an excellent summation by Barry Brill. The MSM should be latching on to it. Oh, wait……
      
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      September 24, 2022 3:58pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Wallis is a really interesting speaker to listen to – I heard him talking about the changes that occur in the teenage brain from childhood and then into adulthood. Basically it goes through massive rebuild and for a period the thinking part of the brain loses function and the emotional part of the brain compensates. The brain is similar in function at this point to a 2/3year old. He said typically girls brains mature to adulthood much earlier than boys, around 18 for girls and 24 for boys.
    
    So based on this talk I would have thought if we want adults making decisions then we would stick with a voting age of 18 and maybe raise it for boys.
    
    Hard to understand how he is advocating for lowering the voting age.
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A teenage brain gets taken out when they turn 13. They get is back when they are 23//
      
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      September 24, 2022 10:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        get ‘it’ back. ffs
        
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        September 24, 2022 10:21am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Why anyone believes that crap I have no idea. Some teenagers are idiots, most are not. Likewise with adults as Wallis demonstrates.
      
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      September 24, 2022 11:16am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Hi Alan, I agree that most teenagers like most humans are good people.
        
        However I find the research being done that uses modern scanning technology to understand more about brain development fascinating. There is no doubt that the brain develops and changes throughout our lives and the ability to photograph this and analyse it is a very recent activity. It isn’t crap that some radical changes occur in the brain during teenage years, just as they do in other parts of the body. Can’t write that off as crap.
        
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        September 24, 2022 11:47am
  - pussycat
    
    The zoomer generation according to Matt Goodwin, maybe 7 year olds will get the vote when they are in charge. Frightening.
    https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/meet-the-zoomers
    
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    September 24, 2022 12:59pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Meh. Three points to be made after reading that.
      
      First, it smacks of the usual Lefty claim that we’ve heard about every generation since the late 60’s: “The Youf Are With Us”. I began to grow sceptical of that claim as I wondered who all the people were voting for Thatcher, Reagan, then Clinton, Blair and so forth – and not Tony Benn, Corbyn or Bernie Sanders. In the 1980’s and 90’s at least it turned out it had to have been a lot of those 60’s Boomers.
      
      Second, as such there’s the usual whiff of “Resistance is futile” for all the ideas they sprout.
      
      Third, the reason so many Boomers (and then Gen X’rs) became more right-wing with time was less to do with age than the experience of getting screwed over by the dopey ideas they’d held in their youth. The same thing is going to happen here as this crowd moves from…
      
      While not even one-third of older Baby Boomers in America personally know somebody who is transgender more than half of Zoomers do
      
      …to “I don’t want my five year old child to be sexualised at school”.
      
      In case Mr Goodwin has not noticed even gays and lesbians are starting to fight back against the Trans movement and given how much Gen Z loved Harry Potter I’d be surprised if they’re willing to burn Rowling at the Trans stake. It’ll also be fun to see their reactions when they, in turn, are burned by their own theories because they can’t live up to them.
      
      As for Mr Goodwin himself, I did a Wiki check and lo and behold…:
      
      He is the co-editor of The New Extremism in 21st Century Britain (Routledge), and co-author (with Roger Eatwell) of National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy. He is also the author of New British Fascism: Rise of the British National Party (Routledge) and co-author (with Robert Ford) of Revolt on the Right: Explaining Support for the Radical Right in Britain (Routledge, 2014). His research has appeared in the New Statesman, The Guardian, The Westminster Hour and Prospect magazine.
      
      In other words, these kids are his personal wish fulfillment. TBF I see he’s also involved with the British “Free Speech Union” so we’ll see what he thinks after he gets done over by his Gen Z students for speaking a little too freely in class.
      
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      September 24, 2022 4:29pm
- G152
  
  The ‘global warming’ ‘climate change’ BS will be with us until school kids learn that they’re not the experts and we return to the old fashioned concept of ‘weather.
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:20am
  - rockape
    
    Or until they are old enough to drive and rich enough to buy a car !
    Maybe old enough to fly off on their OE and jet around the World.
    
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    September 24, 2022 8:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      They are old enough, and they do not ‘buy’ cars. Been watching the ram raids? Adults use the kids because kids do not get prosecuted.
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:37am
    - Paulus
      
      And able to read,write, and do arithmetic in English first.
      Very few eligible we understand.
      
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      September 24, 2022 11:22am
    - Jim
      
      If those opportunities still exist for today’s climate alarmism indoctrinated children. If they do, it’s unlikely the globalist elites will afford free will without some dystopian eco-social credit penalties (ohh and I wager the fuel for those private jets and super yachts will still be exempt from any such eco restrictions).
      
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      September 24, 2022 2:53pm
  - redeye
    
    HDA completely destroying the school 4 climate day off.
    If you haven’t heard it I recommend you dont take a swig of your coffee before listening.
    https://twitter.com/smoothie_nz/status/1573225915878117376
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:01am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes bizarre. Most of these climate change kids get driven to and from school every day. Try driving past the top end schools in Christchurch at 3.00 pm. It is like a mad house outdoor showroom of top end SUVs. 😂😂😂🤡
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:15am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Brilliant.
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:15am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      BTW these kids thinking people are going to stop flying. 😂 Air travel, particularly in Asia is going to increase dramatically through to 2050. Just pick any major airport and look at their expansion plans. You think the shareholders are throwing away their money because the climate kids are going to stop folk flying? 🤡🙄
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Show them Flightradar 24 and just see how many planes are in the air Worldwide. Mind boggling
        
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        September 24, 2022 9:51am
      - PeeJay
        
        They’ll be like every other generation of kids before them.
        
        Revolution today, agitators at Uni, get a job, grow up, slowly mature and eventually become what they rebelled against. Some stay the course, for sure, but most grow up, stop being, well childish, make the best of things and get on with it. Before they know it they’ll be in their late twenties / early thirties, flying all over the place, weekends in Sydney, trips to Fiji etc, but sure, driving an EV and having solar panels on the roof to assuage their guilt – because apparently getting poor third world kids to mine rare earth minerals is the way to save the planet i guess?
        
        The only difference between the current generation of kids and previous generations is that previous generations of kids didn’t have the ridiculous media hanging on their every word thinking they were some font of wisdom.
        
        The world would be a far better place if the media focussed less on the inane thoughts of kids and just let them be kids and realise they’ll grow up!
        
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        September 24, 2022 1:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That was a hoot, and typical of todays’ young people, (and the toxic Greens) Their minds are still developing and they are getting this nonsense pumped into them.
      Is this ‘Izzy’ the young girl that was on play school TV1 breakfast yesterday? Looks like her. Poor girl will be embarrassed as hell now, but hey, you never know, she may have just grown up real quick and realised she is being programed.
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:49am
      - Paulus
        
        By the look of them there are not many who are old enough to vote !
        
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        September 24, 2022 10:06am
    - Jim
      
      Brilliant strategy by the climate alarmists, organising it on Fridays. How many children (or teachers) would sacrifice their weekend for the same cause?
      
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      September 24, 2022 3:06pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      That’s Izzy Cook’s political career completely down the tubes.
      
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      September 24, 2022 3:15pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    This is Jordan Peterson taking on some university students about tackling climate change. It never gets old. 😂
    
    https://youtu.be/YBf2PU_Bvog
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:10am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Good stuff, seen it before. “NO” Brilliant answer.
      He does make one good point of many – ‘it is very difficult to separate the science from the politics’
      That is a tool used by Politicians and media.
      
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      September 24, 2022 10:05am
  - nathie
    
    I think we need to get back to basics and school kids shouldn’t be allowed a day off to protest – why is the Govt allowing this?
    
    Bet the Govt wouldn’t if a bunch of kids wanted a day off to protest covid-mandates or 3 Waters etc – my point being who determines which types of protests are “acceptable” (and which aren’t), granting children a day off school? Just how about school children stay at school and learn!
    
    The other thing is, these protests are aligned with the Green Party. So again similar thing – which political parties have the right to manipulate school children? Should other political parties be given that privilege? Again, just how about school children stay at school and learn!
    
    The other thing is, these protests are manipulation on a grand scale. After all their calls to “cull the cow herd by one-half” … said by NO kid ever (unless said kids are being manipulated by the political/environmental left, which they are).
    
    And these protests are the height of ignorance and absurdity. Everything they ask for won’t change the climate.
    
    But worse these protests are self-fueling mental health issues and depression – look at the despondent protesting kids who seriously think the world is going to end as they know it? Frankly the adults manipulating them should be chucked in jail (ok maybe not jail but held to account)!
    
    So how about this, if school children (and greenpeace type adults) want to effect their own change in their own way (and feel virtuous), how about not buying petro-chemical products, such as fancy cellphones, laptops and macbooks, then walk everywhere (no to using trains and buses as they are no better than using cars as they are all industrial products), and go set up their own commune and live out in the whops and leave the rest of us, including the farming community, alone!
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:48am
    - Ghost
      
      The government didn’t grant them a day off.
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Charlieboy did, and the Commonwealth followed?
        
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        September 24, 2022 10:31am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        At least some schools had a teacher-only day yesterday.
        
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        September 24, 2022 3:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Petro- chemical products. Just take away their chargers and look at their faces!
      
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      September 24, 2022 10:28am
    - Matt Long
      
      Dear proto fascist students, you want to save is from climate change? Walk to school, turn off the internet, put on a blanket when you’re cold.
      This will actually be more effective than trying to create energy scarcity, starvation and poverty around the world.
      
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      September 24, 2022 10:59am
    - artemisia
      
      Instead of parents paying to force their offspring to Fiji for a holiday, they could repurpose the money to enrol them at the Green School.
      
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      September 24, 2022 11:01am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yes lets have a school days of protest against:
      1/ excessive govt borrowing and taxation (that they will have to pay for as adults)
      2/ government enshrined racism and matriarchal anti male policies – men are exploited by govt paying more tax and receiving far less benefits (less welfare, shorter lives) and being treated badly by family courts and education system.
      3/ government corruption of media and erosion of freedoms as shown up through pandemic
      4/ terrible govt economic performance that is tanking NZ’s prosperity and long term outlook, robbing kids of their birthright, and will lead to many having to emigrate as adults
      5/ terrible educational performance of the govt as we slide down precipitously compared to other countries with scandalously high number of school leavers illiterate, again robbing kids of their future.
      
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      September 24, 2022 11:46am
- pussycat
  
  And this article on AGW by Prof Richard Lintzen should start a total re-think.
  
  IPCC’s greenhouse narrative is becoming implausible, eminent climate scientist says
  
  (Mod – fixed link for you)
  
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  September 24, 2022 12:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Did we, the taxpayers, fund Kiwi journalists’ recent jaunt to London?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jacinda-s-waste-of-public-interest-journalism-funds
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September 24, 2022 8:10am
- Souvlaki
  
  Yes!
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:12am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is ridiculous. The BBC coverage of the funeral was the only one to watch. They have been planning it for decades.
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:18am
  - graham
    
    Yes indeed. We tuned into UK TV on Sky and kept the tv on that channel throughout the evening.
    
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    September 24, 2022 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Most of what I saw was on AlJazeera. NZ TV just repeated it – as usual.
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:33am
  - Jack5
    
    Benedict’s …The BBC coverage of the funeral was the only one to watch.
    
    Before the internet, NZ newspapers got nearly all of their overseas news through agencies such as Reuters, and AP. There might have been a person in London for the NZPA, the national agency.
    
    This is the way that all but the biggest newspapers in the United States also gained their news.
    
    It was economic and efficient.
    
    You can bet the Soviet-scale State TV-State radio-internet merger being created by Wily-Willie Jackson for Ardern will keep its leading reporters and commenters tame and loyal by a swathe of overseas posts and trips.
    
    Until then, press party jaunts along with Jacinda will keep them docile.
    
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    September 24, 2022 1:40pm
- surfing
  
  Of course….
  
  https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52aca146e4b06d986ca82df3/54f83729-a5b6-4a17-8872-fdc38d5d64d1/JAHHO.jpg?format=750w
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well somebody has to take the PR photos of Brenda on the world stage….
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:07am
- Ghost
  
  I would expect so, some of the media always travel with the PM
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:10am
amospicton

So the PM thinks the UN should ‘ban’ nuclear weapons. Yet more evidence that her thinking is that of a teenager. They cannot be uninvented. Who fancies a world in which N. Korea, Russia or Iran has nuclear weapons and the West doesn’t?
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September 24, 2022 8:24am
- Cinematic
  
  Jacinda’s lack of intelligence is painful to behold. Sharp as a marble.
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:42am
  - David Garrett
    
    Cine: The Princess came into parliament at the same time I did – after the 2008 election. I had a bit to do with her. She came across as a very pleasant person with average intelligence at best.
    
    The only thing that has changed since – or at least the most obvious thing – is she speaks much better now that she did then. Back in 2008 she spoke in the House like the second speaker of the sixth form girls debating team, Now she speaks like the captain of said team, which one would expect after 14 years practice.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hahaha…
      
      however, the poor thing still has no idea how to craft a Third Speaker argument in a debate…
      She can only parrot
      “I refude that”
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:58am
- rouppe
  
  Not or, but and…
  
  North Korea, Russia and Iran. Not to mention India which seems to bend to whichever wind gives it the cheapest oil.
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:59am
- Benedict Yu
  
  She has what Jordan Peterson calls “low resolution thinking” 😂😂
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:20am
  - Ra Henare
    
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4RrfvmKjbCE
    
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    September 24, 2022 5:43pm
  - Nickc2
    
    ….. and a low-calorie mind set.
    
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    September 24, 2022 6:46pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I’d agree that totalitarians, autocrats and religious fundamentalists should not be allowed nukes – only democracies with free and open elections. Because all that devastating destructive power in the hands of one or a few Psychopaths/Narcissists hands is inevitably going to blow up in our faces one day.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Biden and the Dems are out then?
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:44am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  You are obviously not aware that about 80 countries are parties to the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons. New Zealand is among these nations. It was actually signed by the National government as one of the founding parties of the Treaty..
  At the moment these nations are basically from Latin America, Asia, Africa and the Pacific. Only a small number of European nations are parties, though most of the smaller European nations are dialogue partners.
  The intent of the treaty is to make the possession of nuclear weapons unlawful. This has been achieved with chemical and biological weapons. There is obviously a long way to go with nuclear weapons, but to dismiss the aspiration as childish is of itself childish.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:39am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Love that patronizing tone you adopt when lecturing us plebs, Wayne. ‘You are obviously not aware.. ‘
    
    You do yourself no favours, mate, by speaking down to us as though we’re a bit of gum stuck to your Gucci loafers.
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:00am
    - Nickc2
      
      Trust you to bring up the politics of envy and derision!
      
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      September 24, 2022 10:17am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      You may not be aware Nukuleka, that you don’t get to speak for me. You might consider yourself a pleb, but I am most certainly not. And who the fuck is “us” Nukuleka? I am not your “us”. I actually agree with Wayne and was not aware of the Treaty. I am now aware because he posted on it. And I have no idea why you would believe that he was speaking down to anyone. Just because you don’t like what he says, doesn’t correlate with him speaking down to anyone. Maybe you have an inferiority complex? And just as an aside no one with any class wears Gucci loafers. I go for Thom Browne most of the time.
      
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      September 24, 2022 3:04pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Jeeeez Wayne!
    
    (Mod – debate what a person says not silly comments about the person)
    
    To your point: No it is not childish to dismiss her call. Her call for everyone to give up nuclear weapons is incredibly childish.
    
    The major powers will never do because of the verification problem.
    
    Israel will never give them up as they are its sole means of guaranteeing its survival as a country
    
    North Korea will never give up what ever it has as that means the end of their regime pretty quickly
    
    India and Pakistan are prevented from ongoing full on war by their possession of Nukes and neither would trust the other to honour any agreement to disarm.
    
    Making calls for an impossible objective show what Ms Ardern is unfortunately: promoted beyond her capabilities, intellectually a lightweight and a show pony seeking the limelight
    
    And you r statement on biological and chemical weapons is just hysterical. these are quietly stockpiled, the facilities for manufacture are maintained and research continues incessantly on developing new and more deadly agents.
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:47am
  - amospicton
    
    Wayne the only reason those 80 countries even exist today is because of the US nuclear deterrent. We all benefit from it and yet claim the moral high ground. It’s pathetic quite honestly. Without the US having gotten there first and maintaining their nuclear arsenal (and the UK and even France to some degree) either the Nazis or Soviets would rule the world. This nuclear free sanctimony is either hypocritically naive or just cynical politics.
    
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    September 24, 2022 11:03am
  - Cassandra
    
    Of course the aspiration is childish. Unrealistic virtue signalling. “Making nuclear weapons illegal”? Tosh. Unless you can tell me how you guarantee that the other bloke has done away with his then I’ll hang onto mine. While you’re about it make cancer illegal as well as child poverty. And stupidity.
    
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    September 24, 2022 11:06am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I fundamentally disagree. In fact back in the early 2000’s a former USAF 4 star officer General Butler, who was the Commander of Strategic Forces argued the the nuclear deterrent was a myth. That it wasn’t nuclear deterrent that kept the peace.
      You may disagree, but it is not childish to argue the point.
      Look, I get the argument for nuclear deterrence, but I also get the argument against.
      What annoyed me about the original post is the view that only a childish person would argue against nuclear deterrent. It was simply another way for the poster to set out their opposition to the PM. However, not by argument, but by denigration.
      
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      September 24, 2022 1:15pm
      - RockyJ
        
        Nuclear deterrence is based on the proposition that the Russians love their children too, as Sting sang. I think they do
        
        This is what makes the prospect of any Islamic country (like Iran) getting the bomb really scary. Radical muslims are prepared to sacrifice their children as martyrs
        
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        September 24, 2022 7:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Thinking is that of a teenager’ You are too kind.
  Why does she visit so many primary schools and kindies?
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:40am
- G152
  
  It is members of the UN who have nuclear weapons not the UN
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:55am
Paulus

Understood that something like 85 official New Zealanders went to London.
In addition but not “directly” tax payers money the media55 presumably paid for it form somewhere else.
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September 24, 2022 8:25am
- pdm
  
  Paulus – not directly taxpayers money.
  
  In all probability the share of the $55million enabled the trip.
  
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  September 24, 2022 8:49am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    On the up side, every dollar spent on the travel boondoggle is a dollar not spent on paying a typist (aka typing activist) to produce word soup.
    
    I hope they larged it.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:18am
- Countrygirl
  
  And they didn’t invite John Key!
  
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  September 24, 2022 4:52pm
  - Sacha
    
    Probably because JK and his family actually stayed with the Queen at Balmoral, which none of the present government has done. And of course never will, now.
    
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    September 24, 2022 6:16pm
Alex

Moscow backed forces in Referenda areas are going door to door with machine guns urging people to vote . Russians who are living there are allowed to vote as well according to UK Telegraph sources.
Moscow Probably want to get in before more towns in Kherson one of the Referenda areas are liberated by Ukrainian forces.
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September 24, 2022 8:29am
- Ra Henare
  
  So western media, supporting Ukraine said…..
  and you take it as fact????
  
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  September 24, 2022 5:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

So NZ1 didn’t divert to Nadi after all.
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September 24, 2022 8:30am
cas

I had the misfortune to listen to Wallace Chapman and the Panel yesterday. He had Simon Wilson and someone else on so I knew it wasn’t going to be an even playing field and it wasn’t. But they interviewed Fran O’Sullivan about the Mood of the boardroom survey ( which I didn’t think the TV news channels mentioned last night) and she dealt to them. Simon asked something and Fran told him he was being facetious. Wallace was trying to get her to admit the mood and findings were low because the Govt has just come out of the worst crisis facing any Govt and she pretended not to understand his question. She sounded fed up with them by the end.
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September 24, 2022 8:39am
- Cassandra
  
  I was a panellist for many years. Even under the saintly Jim it was left wing. I was the only righty. Now there are none, just a far-left gab-fest. I no longer listen to it. Far left propaganda paid for by the right (the left pay b……..all taxes). You’ve got to admire their skill, even if you hate their bigotry. My question is: what will National do about it? Cassandra would dig them out, roots and all. Bloody but necessary. National needs to grow a pair or hand it over to ACT.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:19am
  - MCōs
    
    David Farrar is a regular panelist.
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:15am
    - Cassandra
      
      That’s what I mean. DPF is at best a centrist. OK, he’s not far left but where are the right wingers?
      
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      September 24, 2022 11:09am
      - MCōs
        
        Mr Farrar is a founder & Board Member of the Taxpayers Union.
        He’s a right winger if ever there was one.
        BTW
        If you think he’s ‘not far left’ your idea of who would be right wing must be extremely narrow.
        
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        September 24, 2022 12:33pm
    - Matt Long
      
      See, that just illustrates the left wing bias. 😉
      
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      September 24, 2022 11:09am
RockyJ

Thinking about public policy it seems to me eventually, as the range of “isms” are tried and fail that transformation rarely works and the middle ground is where we arrive.

For example, climate change. The alarmists say the world is ending, the deniers deny everything. When the adults take back control we will mitigate what we can gradually and economically and the world will be better off.

Regards Maori aspirations. Cogovernance is an extreme demand. In contrast the democratic extreme position would be a referendum on every decision. While this may work for Switzerland I don’t think it would here. Our current system is already a compromise. It is a three year tyranny, with checks and balances, broken by a democratic election. At some stage the adults will wake up to this.

Conservatism is a terrible name for the middle ground approach. It does not imply a lack of progress, it is more a reflection, gained through living, that extreme transformational approaches are generally counter-productive.
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September 24, 2022 8:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  So often appears that left do not consider anything beyond the soundbite and superficial impact of their solutions – when the real world is all about balancing and mitigating against unintended consequences.
  
  Jordon Peterson says it well – that human societies and economics are incredibly complex inter-dependent systems of motivations, actions and consequences, and that any change you make is almost certain to make things worse unless you are very sophisticated in your understanding of actions and structuring of incentives and the reaction they will produce across wide range of personality types that make up a society.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:42am
rouppe

Unbelievable incompetence yet again by a public company doing background checks.

How on God’s green earth does this happen.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/129979753/chief-executives-trail-of-horror-includes-fraud-debts-and-drinkdriving
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September 24, 2022 9:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How come these dodgy as people get Public Service jobs, when they should be in Jail? Con men preying on the gullible, and let’s face it, the Public Sector is gullible
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:55am
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying word round the Viaduct is that ‘3 Waters is a done deal. Labor have signed with a French company to manage it for 5 years, then it will be turned over to Maori who will split it into 10 entities New Zealand wide.
EVERYTHING WILL BE METERED. WE WILL PAY AND PAY!
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September 24, 2022 9:16am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Any legislation can be reversed by a future govt. It’s just a question of how big the penalty clauses are.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:23am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Penalty clauses can also be legislatively cancelled. Poison pills are not looked at favorably by courts, or public opinion
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:46am
- Cassandra
  
  The French company better have a Plan B. National should announce now that 3 Waters is dead and no compensation will be paid. Announce now and then tell the Mahuta Family (and the Gambinos) and the French “merde”. I’ll now google French for f off
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:24am
  - Cassandra
    
    Foutre le camp.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:25am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Fiche moi le quand ( or something like that)
    
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    September 24, 2022 11:35am
- Hebe123
  
  I don’t believe they have thought that far ahead, next week is a stretch for that lot.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:41am
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/three-waters-35-year-contracts-de-facto-privatisation-academic-warns/ar-AA11IcBu
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:42am
- Jim
  
  Iwi will apply a management levy on every litre supplied and flushed from every kiwi home. Is this a free democracy or autocratic tyranny?
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:59am
  - artemisia
    
    Heh, if there do turn out to be long contracts that are difficult to change or end, a different government could do the sums and decide to stick with the contracts if cheaper than buying them out. Of course the (co) governance arrangements would be significantly amended* so savings or costs flow direct to consumers.
    
    * Simples, it becomes a very small group managing the contract.
    
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    September 24, 2022 11:19am
    - rouppe
      
      The biggest problem with contacting to overseas companies is that they have no skin in the game, and are mostly interested in clipping the ticket as much as possible while simultaneously paying as little as possible into the asset.
      
      Like Toll Holdings did.
      
      The biggest problem with a Maori oligarchy making up 50% of the board while being unelected is that one race effectively has control of whether others get access to something essential to life.
      
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      September 24, 2022 4:48pm
- Nickc2
  
  What, the fuckin Frogs? Have we forgotten the Rainbow Warrior already? Oh, that’s right, it was David Lange who let the two Frog Terrorists out of Jail in return for Butter exports to Europe.
  Labour Govts in NZ have no principles whatsoever and Cindy’s mob is no different.
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:04am
  - Colville
    
    https://www.veolia.com/anz/
    
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    September 24, 2022 11:03am
    - rouppe
      
      Yeah so go to that website, whereupon a big grey blob covers the bottom half talking about their cookies.
      
      I normally go to the options and reject all.
      
      Click on the “More Details” button and you get… “page not found”…
      
      Totally trustworthy
      
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      September 24, 2022 4:51pm
- MCōs
  
  Rumours coming from the Viaduct have a pitiful record of coming true.
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:20am
- DimChappie
  
  I am sure the aim is to get whitey to pay and pay, but this is a twitter rumour without any good source. I am sure Labour thinks its a done deal.
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All ready metered. Gets read every second Watercare bill.
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:56am
  - Matt Long
    
    Makes it easy to add in a levy doesn’t it?
    
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    September 24, 2022 11:12am
Graham Sharpe

Student Climate Strike. Illustrates exactly why 16 and 27 year olds should not be given the vote.
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September 24, 2022 9:25am
- I remember when
  
  “School Strike 4 Climate:”
  Or was it, conveniently, you take the rest of the day off and make it an even longer weekend.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is it! Lots of ‘teacher only’ days are Fridays when Monday is a holiday. Get to the beach house before the traffic.
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:58am
Graham Sharpe

Sorry 16 and 17 year olds.
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September 24, 2022 9:25am
- Bob
  
  Graham…
  no need to apologise; with the standard of education these days in NZ 27 is an appropriate age to mention re ‘eligibility to vote’
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Graham got it right with that typo!
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

One of the greatest writers in the English language has just died.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-24/hilary-mantel-award-winning-british-author-wolf-hall-dies/101470800

And if the prospect of reading the Wolf Hall trilogy seems too daunting (it’s NOT… though, I read it with years between each book), the TV adaptation of Wolf Hall & Bring up the Bodies is brilliant.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3556920/
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September 24, 2022 9:28am
Warren

The people’s word is no different to Jacinda Arderns full of shit with no substance and you only have to look at how many of the team of 5 Million that keep her in power at the last Election drawl over her , even though she has divided New Zealander’s.
If this is correct I believe she has signed the Labour Party to many years in opposition because the unrest that will happen even our wannabe Queen won’t be able to control.
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September 24, 2022 9:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  One can only hope. Jaspinda has brainwashed many people with her psychotic nonsense.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:01am
I remember when

Ross Campbell: Sweden: Everyone has gone a bit quiet on this one.
Here are some of the facts Ross.
Deaths:
2016/8: 90,982, 91972, 92,185 = 275,139
2020/2: 98,124,91958,91,300(est) = 281,382
So a difference of 6,243.
Worldometer shows Swedish covid deaths to date as 20,147.
The 2022 (est) is based on figure to 29 July extended.
Subtracting 275,139 from 281,382 leaves a total of 6,243.
Worldometer 20,147 less 6243 indicates that perhaps 69% of Sweden’s covid victims would have died by now regardless.
If we halve the 6243 number we get a New Zealand equivalent to compare with our covid deaths – plus this year’s excess deaths.
Not a lot to make a noise about really.
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September 24, 2022 9:31am
- Ross Campbell
  
  My quote of course was in relation to herd immunity in Sweden but feel free to take it out of context to show something else.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:03am
  - I remember when
    
    Herd immunity:
    2016/8: 90,982, 91,982, 92,185.
    2021/2: 91,958, 91,300.
    
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    September 24, 2022 2:29pm
- Matt Long
  
  Another interesting point I saw in the BFD yesterday is that Muslim immigrants are 4.5 times more likely to be convicted of rape than the native Swedes, talk about systemic racism in that country’s justice system.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:16am
- JackRabbit
  
  I wouldn’t trust any data from World-O-Meter. It is “predictive counter” site, not a stats site. So a big fake. I’ve done the research on it.
  
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  September 24, 2022 7:09pm
Nickc2

Is 3Waters being used as a “look over here” decoy for the Maori Caucus’s real aim of sneeking through Cogovernance legislation whilst attention is focused on 3Waters?
I’m picking that once Cogovernance is in place, anything else will be immaterial as nothing will be able to be implememted without some koha for Maori where ownership of water and its systems in entirety can be gifted to them as koha for something else like tunnels through mountain ranges for road and rail projects.
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September 24, 2022 9:33am
- rouppe
  
  Of course it is.
  
  It’s setting up a Maori oligarchy.
  
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  September 24, 2022 4:54pm
ClanMcleod

El gato malo with another excellent post. This one regarding the ineptitude of so many of our political leaders in the West. It’s on a scale unprecedented in my lifetime. Ardern and Trudeau are the most obvious. The Ken and Barby of world politics. A pair of bobble heads who smile, nod and wave their hands around, but who never say anything of any importance or relevance. But it is right through the political system.

i’ve been musing of late about just how it came to pass that the entirety of western governance seems to have become bereft of reality and competence and generally run by people who appear to be about as smart as a soup sandwich and yet have managed to accrue not only such intense confidence in their own planning ability and vision but in addition gained access to the levers of power to impose their addled ideas upon the rest of us while aided and abetted by a cheer-leader class that eggs them ever onward.

Listen to the gibberish coming out of this moron posing as an elected politician apparently representing people.

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1572706400551276546?s=20&t=f51rarsk10GS-fQ6IDBe9Q

It’s a wonderful article examining the current political system and why it seems to continuously produce grifters and con artists.
This part describes Ardern and her government to a T.

and they have no idea how anything works.

they were flat out selected for not knowing how anything works.

if they did understand any of it, they’d see the scams and wise up instead of becoming some kind of final form pokemon chump selling themselves down the river.

but they don’t. and they won’t.

it’s rube upon rube upon rube.

and the lack the ability to even assess much less resolve the escalating cascades of problems they set off.

It’s an excellent essay, worth reading over a coffee.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/gatos-postulate?utm_source=post-email-title&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
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September 24, 2022 9:36am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Is the bold type thing being used all the time now an attempt to make rather bland articles seem more important than they are or is there something wrong with your keyboard?.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:08am
  - rouppe
    
    Html is not everyone’s forte. No doubt used as a quote.
    
    <blockquote>Quote something</blockquote>
    
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    September 24, 2022 5:00pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Indeed, it is something I once used in a different lifetime and a different career path. I brought some of it back to try and make posts easier to read. Using speech marks constantly made hard reading I believe.
      It will get better the more I do it!
      
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      September 25, 2022 9:14am
  - Ghost
    
    Perhaps you should try talking about what is posted instead of just trolling how it is posted.
    
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    September 24, 2022 5:09pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – the one thing RC is consistent in is never actually addressing the content of the post. Sniping and snide commentary is their go to.
      
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      September 25, 2022 9:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Brushing up on the old HTML skills I used to use many years ago. Trying to make posts more readable. Good to know you’re paying attention.
    
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    September 25, 2022 9:12am
- RockyJ
  
  I read that article. It is excellent
  
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  September 24, 2022 7:19pm
Maggie Pie

And a reminder for all you guys out there who suffer from dyslexia.
Your cocks go black at 2am tomorrow.
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September 24, 2022 9:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The lads need to remember, you can only keep those rubber rings on for 5 minutes.
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Photo or it’s not true
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:07am
- mogg
  
  ‘Spring forward Fall back’
  
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  September 24, 2022 12:01pm
ClanMcleod

Tucker Carlson discussing a Lancet piece regarding the increase in myocarditis in young, vaccinated people. Then pointing out the normalising of these “sudden” heart conditions by the increasingly abhorrent mainstream media.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9GvpIB30pBcU/
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September 24, 2022 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If a kid has myocarditis at 14, what will they be like at 50?
  The vaccine manufacturers are too big to sue?
  The Govts forced the vaccine, but share no responsibility?
  We are being played
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:16am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If a kid has myocarditis at 14, what will they be like at 50?
    
    Decomposing in a cemetery somewhere. My Dad had myocarditis from a childhood disease (or vaccine, I’m not sure), and he didn’t make 50.
    
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    September 24, 2022 7:12pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I personally know of three men in their early 50s who have died this year of a heart attack. None of them overweight or known to have health problems.
  
  Perhaps it’s just that in 2022 I’m more attuned to this sort of news.
  
  Or perhaps not.
  
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  September 24, 2022 3:28pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    We live in a very small street. 10 males between the ages of 24 and 70. 2 major heart attacks. Both within 4 weeks of second jab. Both survived but noticeably weakened, even a year later. Of course correlation is not causation, but stat like these need further investigation, not more advertising dollars pushing a jab that does nothing beneficial for the majority of people.
    
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    September 25, 2022 9:19am
Jim

Safe and Effective transitions further towards technocratic tyranny.

https://youtu.be/tr0QmzApZS4
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September 24, 2022 9:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Excellent, cheers for the link.
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems the elite are herding us in the wrong direction. Jump the fence, get out now.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:20am
I remember when

If Jacinda and Labour want to insist that the elimination period saved many lives will they now accept responsibility for the present excess deaths.
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September 24, 2022 9:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I remember when – fair comment, but the truth is the elimination period MIGHT have kicked the can down the road, but it didn’t “save” anyone. Ardern and her government, her “experts” and her mainstream media shills all bear responsibility for the current and future excess deaths, the massive debt, the shredding of the social fabric and all of the other disastrous outcomes of their insane policies.
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:28am
  - JackRabbit
    
    To be very sure that 80,000 were going to be saved you would have to have done a lot of research. That figure was thumbsucked.
    
    As I remarked at the time, for 80,000 to be saved even using the exaggerated IFR figures in Italy NZ would have had to have a population of 55 million.
    
    And as we know, some time back Italy down graded
    the Covid death toll from 130,000 to about 3700 .
    
    With the IFR that has now been established, to save 80,000 lives, NZ would have had to have a population of 540,000,000. It would appear Shaun Hendy got paid $1.X million for throwing a dart at a dart-board, with no reference to reality.
    
    When making prediction, scammers always use “could”, “may”, “might”, “it’s possible” to cover their butts.
    
    “If we print enough money, we “might” be able to stop inflation.”
    
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    September 24, 2022 7:21pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Typo. 540 million not 540,000
      
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      September 24, 2022 7:26pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      JackRabbit – if you get a chance, read the paper which Hendy and his pals sent to Ardern. It’s dry reading, but the part I found interesting was their constant referencing of the completely disastrous and subsequently peer ridiculed, Imperial College forecasts by Neil Ferguson.
      Hendy referenced it at least half a dozen times in an attempt to justify his own predictions and to give them some semblance of authenticity and accuracy.
      Read this discussion of the computer code used in the Neil Ferguson Imperial College paper.
      
      The model. What it’s doing is best described as “SimCity without the graphics”. It attempts to simulate households, schools, offices, people and their movements, etc. I won’t go further into the underlying assumptions, since that’s well explored elsewhere.
      
      https://dailysceptic.org/archive/code-review-of-fergusons-model/
      
      Hendy’s was of similar quality. If someone was being nasty they would suggest he simply adapted the Imperial College numbers for the NZ population. Others call it plagiarising. Either way, Hendy and his buddies at Te Punaha Matatini got plenty of taxpayer dollars for their ludicrous predictions. Not just once, multiple times.
      
      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2110/S00081/why-is-sean-hendys-modelling-group-getting-6m-for-advice-treasury-is-paying-30k-for-elsewhere.htm
      
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      September 25, 2022 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘responsibility’ is not in the Labour hand manual.
  It has been redacted with a fucking big black felt pen.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:22am
Tasman devil

Saw a bottle of Cloudy Bay Sauvignon Blanc today in Manhattan for $24(NZ).

In Blenheim from where it originates it retails for $39.

The Blenheim retailer doesn’t pay import duty into the USA or freight costs to the other side of the world.

Maybe the ram raiding of booze shops is a bit of karma.
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September 24, 2022 9:58am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s probably cheaper to freight to NY City than to Blenheim, and I’d guess that excise duties are different too.
  Blenheim retailers possibly have to cover more overhead for shoplifting and ram raids.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ cheese in the UK is the same. We are subsidising the exporters.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:24am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Were you there with Cindy??
  
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  September 24, 2022 4:11pm
In Vino Veritas

Further to yesterdays gleeful post regarding Trump being charged for fraud. Firstly, James has taken a civil case, therefore the penalties will be damages if Trump were to lose. James has claimed that Trump and Trump entities will be barred from doing business in New York. That is not a penalty that can be handed down in a civil trial. Secondly, she claimed that in 2011, Trump valued 40 Wall St at $524m when it should have been $200m. Comparable buildings in NY that sold in 2011, 230 Park Avenue, $750m, Park Ave Plaza, $569m, 340 Madison Ave (sold 2010), $570m. This list is not exhaustive. And 40 Wall St is an iconic building, the others aren’t. Thirdly, the Banker was Deutsche Bank, and the Trump organisation’s valuation statements apparently had standard accountant’s disclaimers all over them (this statement is not audited and the parties to which it is presented should do their own due diligence etc). And last but not least, James’ poll numbers have cratered to the point she is trailing her Republican challenger.
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September 24, 2022 10:06am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Your last point was the best. These Democrat law-mongers should be sued for abuse of office and waste of taxpayers’ money.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  James is on thin ice. Same as Cheney, she is destroying her career. Next stop, McDonalds.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:27am
  - Inandout
    
    SO, the question is which McDonalds?
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/15/mcdonalds-ceo-warns-of-soaring-crime-in-chicago/
    
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    September 24, 2022 12:34pm
I remember when

Since 1800 the CO2 ppm have increased from 283 to a total around 419.
The world population has increased from 1 billion to about 7.97 billion (8 billion in November).
It is estimated that since 1960 the world’s Urban population has increased from 1.02 billion to 4.46 billion.
In the same time period the population jumped from 3 billion to 7.97 billion.
Does any of this suggest that there may be reasons other than GHG for the number of people affected by ‘natural’ disasters.
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September 24, 2022 10:10am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Look, all you have to remember is that CO2 is pollution, it’s caused a climate catastrophe, and we all need to live under a totalitarian one-world government to fix it.
  Honest.
  /s
  
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  September 24, 2022 10:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Chris – that sounds eerily similar to:
    
    “Covid is a novel and deadly disease that will kill tens of millions, it’s caused a global pandemic and devastated economies and society, and we all need to live under a totalitarian one-world government to fix it.
    Honest”
    
    Will people fall for it again?
    
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    September 24, 2022 10:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Population increase is causing the damage. Just need to stop people farting.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:29am
- kowtow
  
  Massive population increases means people are living more and more on the “margins”.
  
  Places we’d never have built in or on ,out of common sense .
  
  Closer to the sea .( erosion , storm surges)
  On unstable flood plains.( practically the whole of Bangladesh)
  In the bush.( prone to fire; Oz and Cali)
  
  I suspect that the Pacific Islands where the alarmists are so endeared to climate porn photography will be the same .
  
  Population growth pushing folks to the areas they’d once have avoided , but it does provide good “copy”.
  
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  September 24, 2022 1:04pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Did I see somewhere on KB that the population of Pakistan has grown from 30m at Partition to 200m today?
    
    All those Pakistanis have to live somewhere, and by definition the best spots have already been snagged. Hence the mass evacuations when the place floods.
    
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    September 24, 2022 3:32pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Nigeria is up to 700 million.
      
      China is now declining and India will overtake it soon.
      
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      September 24, 2022 4:08pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Nearly 2% pa but declining
      
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      September 24, 2022 4:11pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Nigeria population = 217m in 2021
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:12pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  All that exhaling had to go somewhere.
  
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  September 24, 2022 3:30pm
Piticus

Just watched the Wellington mayoral debate on TV3 (The Nation).
Made me want to weep, nash my teeth and put the house on the market !!!!
I would rank the calibre of the three leading candidates minus 5 out of 10.
Eagle brazenly rorts the political system, Foster is the great ‘doer’ (who has a 6 year plan and its only 3 years through) and Whanau is the great ‘uniter’ who will have a go at Parliament if she misses out cause ‘she needs a job’ !
These three make Poto Williams look very competent.
Go Ray Chung ( I THINK thats his name ).
Guess the only light at the end of the tunnel is that we will hold the Ranfurly Shield over summer (our longest reign I think !).
You can watch a replay at 10.00am tomorrow – lucky people.
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September 24, 2022 11:19am
- Steve Todd
  
  I like Ray Chung; he’s energetic, he’s enthusiastic, he’s up with the issues, he’s been putting himself out there for six or so months now (e.g., by regularly ringing in to Nick Mills’s show (Wellington Mornings); by putting up comments at Wellington Scoop), and there’s no doubt he will work hard for Wellington.
  
  I wish he hadn’t said he had no idea what a TERF is, though. (See https://assets.nationbuilder.com/freespeech/pages/153/attachments/original/1663534455/4962D2_candidates_22.pdf?1663534455, page 61.) All he had to do was google it. Did he genuinely not know, or was he making “a statement”?
  
  There’s a good interview with him here: https://inside-wellington.org/2022/06/22/a-discussion-with-mayoral-candidate-ray-chung/.
  
  But, as I said to you on Thursday, he won’t be mayor. Hopefully, the good people of the Wharangi/Onslow-Western General Ward will elect him to council.
  
  In the end, I decided to keep it simple. As depressing as it is, the simple fact is, that the two Wellington mayoral candidates who will still be there, slugging it out at the final iteration, will be either—
  
  Eagle–Foster
  Foster–Eagle
  Eagle–Whanau
  Whanau–Eagle
  Foster–Whanau
  Whanau–Foster.
  
  I have voted 1, 2, for one of those six combinations, ignoring all other candidates.
  
  I am supremely confident that my vote will count for one of the two candidates at the said final iteration (although not necessarily for the winner, of course).
  
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  September 24, 2022 12:50pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s a scenario….

I’m just back from shopping @ Newmarket Mall.
Popped into the Supermarket deli to get 500gm Ham-off-the-bone for lunch.
While the guy behind the counter was weighing it out, he suddenly gave a loud sniff then wiped his nose on the back of his blue-rubber-glove 🙁

Now, what would you do…..
Tell him that is not acceptable and ask to see the manager?
OR…
Thank him very much and put the bag in your basket. Then just wander down the closet aisle and hide it behind the Weetbix?
Exit thru self-checkout with nothing to declare.
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September 24, 2022 11:48am
- Nickc2
  
  Exit thru self-checkout with nothing to declare.
  When home, follow it up with an e-mail to management. They probably have him on CCTV.
  
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  September 24, 2022 11:53am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie…. Masked lunchbar staff serving food with gloves on and then handling cash. Common as.
  Keeps us strong?
  
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  September 24, 2022 12:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, and you are worried about a bit of snot?
  https://www.openeducationportal.com/dirtiest-cities-in-india/
  And these people survive.
  
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  September 24, 2022 12:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes I know!
    Caught an Uber home from Parnell once. Indian driver.
    The back seat of the car was disgusting. I sat on a Magazine.
    We have an account with Corporate-Cabs now.
    
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    September 24, 2022 1:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The United Spot. He has what for brains?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMXaykYmF0
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September 24, 2022 12:23pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING….

Exactly what was sleepy-Joe referring to when he told a Teachers meeting….

“She was 12 at the time, I was 30”

https://trib.al/y4TkeB8
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September 24, 2022 12:43pm
Jack5

NZ’s Ardern-controlled news media seems oblivious to the economic storm in the world.

What do we read? In the Herald, drugs, a pop star in the wilderness, more about Meaghan Markle. In Stuff, business section lotto prize and inflation, Fonterra in Chile, fees-free education courses.

On the other hand:

In Britain, the pound dives to a 37-year low in response to the radical tax-cutting British budget.

In America, Wall Street stocks dive to their lowest of the year, oil prices fall. European and Asian stock markets also fall.

In NZ, the sharemarket also fell, less drastically, but the Kiwi dollar is down to US57.4c.
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September 24, 2022 1:44pm
- Matt Long
  
  The the Kiwi is down to 57.4? That means Jacinda is winning the race to the bottom, Joe will have to try harder.
  
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  September 24, 2022 2:19pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The only economics our MSM is interested in is their taxpayer subsidies. They understand those.
  
  I see Tom Scott is retiring from Stuff. Once cartoons were expected to be funny. Now they just have to be politically correct.
  
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  September 24, 2022 2:25pm
  - I remember when
    
    Tom’s pay now is just back pay.
    He is getting the extra money he deserved to be paid in the days when he was genuinely funny.
    
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    September 24, 2022 2:39pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  The NZD is also down to 0.88 AUD, its lowest level in more than 5 years. 😕
  
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  September 24, 2022 2:59pm
mogg

Any professional will tell you at least 50% of investment in Ex $NZ equities. Too late to do anything now but NZ bond market is very good buying as we speak; AA+ 5 yr bond to be had at 4.8% yield. Could go either way next week.
Brutus; ‘There is a tide in the affairs of men,
which taken at flood leads on to fortune’…..
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September 24, 2022 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

Where’s…… FES?!! 😎

https://twitter.com/hashtag/noshowefeso?src=hashtag_click
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September 24, 2022 4:40pm
- Ghost
  
  At KFC?
  
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  September 24, 2022 5:02pm
  - mogg
    
    There is a special at KFC. They have got a truckload of chickens going cheep.
    
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    September 24, 2022 5:12pm
Scooter

Here we go, media in NZ have started ramping up the threat of Nuclear War. Well they needed something to fill their column inches. This little snippet from Jack Tame, gotta keep the fear porn going.

“But nuclear weapons? In this day and age? My gut says never.
Imagine the damage! The fallout! The mutually-assured destruction. The World would never be the same.
But then somewhere in me there is a nagging little thought. A little kernel of doubt.
Perhaps nuclear war is unlikely. But we should treat the risk of nuclear war as anything but.”
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September 24, 2022 5:53pm
Ghost

Here’s a radical idea, how about since vaccinated nurses and doctors can get Covid and pass it on to patients, just hire back the fired unvaccinated staff and let them do their job

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/new-auckland-city-hospital-earn-and-learn-programme-to-help-tackle-nursing-staff-shortage.html

Cleaners, hospitality workers and caregivers at Auckland City Hospital could soon be healthcare assistants.

It’s part of a new “Earn and Learn” programme aimed at upskilling employees to help tackle the desperate shortage of nursing staff.
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September 24, 2022 7:15pm
- rockape
  
  The new lefty health organisation has declared all future employees, and that would include those sacked, have to be fully vaccinated.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:18pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Ahem!

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September 24, 2022 9:16pm
Ghost

Looks like labour are testing the water. Just got a survey. First question asking if New Zealand should become a republic, second question asking if we should change its name to Aotearoa, Aotearoa New Zealand, or something else. Should New Zealand change its flag.

Piss off labour.
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