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Warren

While our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is galavanting around the Globe taking credit for how New Zealand is handling Climate Change and Terrorism our own Country is suffering at the hands of young criminals and there blatant disregard for the businesses they have vandalized and robbed.
The owner of a Bay of Plenty Store smashed up “by four people says he is ” completely broken” after multiple breaking.
Retail New Zealand says a “tidal wave” of crime has left people “gloomy” about thir future’s” and worrying about protecting themselves.
But the Police Minister Chris Hipkins and the Government continue to protect the criminals because of there young age, “you feel like you don’t have the backing from anyone and it makes business owners feel like they can’t survive “. he said.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bay-of-plenty-shopkeeper-completely-broken-after-multiple-break-ins/2QTBT7PVV2QXQEGT4KDFZRVW5Q/
Business can’t survive under these conditions and need policy that will stop crime not soft policy like the Government and the Prime Minister have our Police uphold, business needs certainty not a Government weak on crime and those that commit it.
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September 23, 2022 8:04am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Don’t fret!
  
  The Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand will have a suite of effective policies just itching to solve this problem…
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:55am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Our ever-increasing domestic terrorism (robberies, ram raids, car jacking to name a few..) is low on Cindy’s agenda as the int’l community doesn’t care about that. Cindy would rather focus on the int’l terrorism. She’s thinking global!! Meanwhile, she fiddles while Rome burns.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:16am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Face it. Left Pollies are for Crims and against hard working self employed small business owners. The Left hate them. They see the Kiddy Crims as Victims and the business owners as corrupt capitalists who deserve to be destroyed.
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:03pm
  - riffer
    
    Complete nonsense. You sound like you’re been sniffing your own emissions. I understand this place is an echo chamber, but in any serious debate you’d get owned by somebody showing actual evidence for their argument.
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:53pm
- coge
  
  Climate change is to blame. Everyone knows that!
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:05pm
krazykiwi

In my inbox this morning: Failed Zero Covid Policy Cost Australia Over $AU938 Billion. Yes, that’s more than a trillion New Zealand dollars.

I wonder what Ardern’s tyranny cost us?

Also in my inbox, yet another study showing that the Pfizer shot alters human DNA.
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September 23, 2022 8:06am
- Simon
  
  The clot shots would never had made it through “trials” had they lasted longer than 3 months.
  
  If you have had the clot shot you are the trial. Good luck, most sincerely. Full results of the trial to be revealed over next couple of years. Not looking good.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:35am
  - mawm
    
    It appears more “research” was done on how to persuade you to take the shot than its long term safety.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8531257/
    This is from Yale (what is unusual is that they have not disclosed who funded it with it being hidden behind a veil of academic research institutes). Read it and see if you can find any parallels with the narrative from the podium. //s
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:47pm
    - riffer
      
      Yawn. Looks like a perfectly normal social science study.
      
      How on earth you could derive your conclusions from that is beyond me. Obviously another rfart-sniffer.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:55pm
    - riffer
      
      BTW, it’s at the bottom. I doubt you got that far.
      
      The authors would like to acknowledge support for the Tobin Center for Economic Policy at Yale University. EKJ and SBO were supported by the Yale Institute for Global Health.
      
      SEB, ASG, and GAH received support from the Institution for Social and Policy Studies and the Center for the Study of American Politics at Yale University.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:56pm
      - mawm
        
        “….with it being hidden behind a veil of academic research institutes”.
        
        It is unusual for the authors of a scientific paper not declared their conflicts of interest which includes who funded them. This is hidden behind the academic institutions, all at Yale, you have named. For all we know it could be Pfizer and Moderna trying to find a way to increase their sales. Do you comprehend?
        
        My conclusions? Well there is a bit of irony in them but I assume that went straight over your head. As for the sarcasm clearly noted for what came from the podium, is there anything in the questions used in the survey that was not used by “the podium”?
        
        Generally I avoid any engagement with you because you bring nothing, nothing at all, to any dialogue. As this was directed at me I’m polite enough to respond. Last time, I promise.
        
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        September 23, 2022 4:18pm
    - riffer
      
      The Tobin Center serves as a platform for national, non-partisan policy impact at Yale. Working across disciplines and policy issue areas, and through meaningful policy partnerships, they seek to advance a fact-based policy debate in America.
      
      The Yale Institute for Global Health (YIGH), led by the schools of public health, medicine and nursing, is a university-wide effort to address global health issues, and serves as a focal point for research, education and engagement with global partners to improve the health of individuals and populations worldwide.
      
      The Institution for Social and Policy Studies (ISPS) at Yale University advances interdisciplinary research in the social sciences that aims to shape public policy and inform democratic deliberation.
      
      The Center for the Study of American Politics (CSAP) was created to promote basic research in the field of American politics.
      
      These sound like exactly the sort of institutions that would fund this kind of study.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:59pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      The first line of that paper has aged like a fish head in the back of a Queensland ute:
      
      “Widespread vaccination remains the best option for controlling the spread of COVID-19 and ending the pandemic.”
      
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      Hilarious. Erin K. James et al must be feeling pretty silly by now.
      
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      September 23, 2022 2:03pm
      - riffer
        
        Except is was, and remains the best option. You seriously have no recollection of how bad Alpha was. Just because New Zealand really only got the arse end of Omicron, which was a pissant compared to Alpha, does not mean that covid was a walk in the park when they made those decisions.
        
        Go find out what life was like when these decisions were made. It was royally fucking over populations overseas. So many people forget that. Very easy to say “oh well, turns out covid wasn’t so bad after all”. For chrissakes, that was because of all these measures that were taken.
        
        Was it perfect? Hell no. But if we had done nothing back at the time when nations were considering lockdowns a fair proportion of the people on this site, and by that I mean people over the age of 55, would have been severely impacted.
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:51pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        It was stage managed panic, catalyzed with knee-jerk interventions that have done untold damage to populations for several generation hence. The novel generic products have been proven to accelerate immune escape and variant creation. All this was knowable and known well before Erin K. James et al made their rotten fish head assertion of efficacy.
        
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        September 23, 2022 3:08pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Riffer, vaccination made sense for highly susceptible groups only. That’s elderly and immune compromised.
        
        The vast majority weren’t highly susceptible.
        
        Sweden got the mix right. The rest of the rich world went mental like lemmings, and caused a huge amount of unnecessary collateral damage.
        
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        September 23, 2022 4:14pm
- cmm
  
  Looking around us, I wonder what the economic damage has been. It ain’t over yet by a long way.
  
  While they might be declaring the pandemic over, the impact will continue for a good decade to come.
  
  Small businesses have been hit harder. I was speaking to the owner/manager of a local garage who says they’ve been badly screwed and have gone from being healthily profitable and growing to being on the verge of shutting down. He tells me he’d currently be better off sweeping streets.
  
  None of this is really a result of the virus, but more a result of the response to the virus.
  
  Even people such as myself who are largely insulated from governmental decisions have lost money. I probably lost ~$100k due to lost business and the ongoing impact is probably another 100k over the next couple of years.
  
  Then, of course everyone with a Kiwisaver or a house has lost money. It’s all going to add up to quite a lot in NZ.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The economic damage the pandemic has caused is far from over – but not just the pandemic damage to NZ.
    Jaspinda is far from finished fucking NZ over. The writing is on the wall and she has read it. She knows she is a gone burger, so will destroy everything she can whilst blaming others. Why? Jaspinda is spiteful and will leave kaos for the new Govt next year. Just as Clark and Cullen did.
    Spiteful, evil peorson.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:10am
    - riffer
      
      Dude, you are ranting. You have completely lost all perspective, such is your ire towards the current Prime Minister.
      
      Go take a walk and get some air.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:51pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Go away little boy. If someone has crossed my path I will let it be known.
        Why do you protect a known compulsive liar??
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:51pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      My impression is what most likely drives her is the brainwashing received as a typical kiwi feminist (these people suffer extreme delusions of grandeur and special-person-status. They do not listen to anything outside their cult echo chamber). They are driven by revenge and contempt for men (and women) who don’t fall into line with their narrow echo-chamber beliefs.
      
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      September 23, 2022 4:31pm
  - pdm
    
    cmm not so sure about Kiwisaver losses as they only apply if funds are withdrawn at the same time they take an investment hit.
    
    Markets always recover and sometimes very quickly so best defence is to stay in and ride the down turn out.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:48am
    - cmm
      
      Regardless, people looking at their Kiwisaver will see that it is worth less now than it was a year ago even though they’ve poured in a lot of money in the last year.
      
      Certainly, the market will most likely recover, but the loss of value of Kiwisaver will add to the general doom and gloom.
      
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      September 23, 2022 10:54am
      - coge
        
        Better to be putting money in when the fund value is depressed.
        
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        September 23, 2022 1:07pm
      - riffer
        
        Funny thing is, about May I noticed mine, which was in a balanced fund, had dropped about 20%, so I took a gamble and put half of it into a more riskier fund. I made all the money back and more in 4 months
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Best not to look at your kiwisaver for a couple of years (unless it’s in a historically poor-performing fund). Almost everyone is going to get a haircut methinks.
        
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        September 23, 2022 4:34pm
    - mawm
      
      pdm – some people rely on their market investments and cannot delay taking money out. These are usually seniors needing the money to supplement their meagre super.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:36pm
- kevn
  
  @kk… What flavour jab are the Chinese using? Their zero ‘policy’ must have cost their economy trillions.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:45am
- Ross Campbell
  
  You need better security filters on your email as it will remove all this spam and other untruths you are receiving.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:46am
  - rangitoto
    
    The story about Pfizer shot alters human DNA in certain liver cell lines is on pubmed.
    
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35723296/
    
    The question was asked from the beginning on the MRNA shots if there was a possibility the RNA could be reverse transcribed and taken up into the human genome. It was denied as being possible by a number of so called experts and here we see in vitro evidence that it does happen in at least certain liver cell lines. It is not known at this point if it happens in vivo. The human genome does include remnants of viral DNA that has been incorporated in this way. It only sticks around if the process occurs in a germ cell line and passed down to descendants.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:48am
    - riffer
      
      That’s an in vitro study, from which you cannot conclude in vivo results.
      
      Things are wildly different in a test tube than they are in an actual body.
      
      You are scaremongering rangitoto.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:47pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Try reading what I posted.
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:03pm
      - riffer
        
        Yes I did. And sought some advice from a colleague, who has a PHD in biochemistry. My comments stand. What happens in a test tube does not guarantee what happens in a human body.
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:52pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Which is exactly what my post says. Quote
        
        “It is not known at this point if it happens in vivo.”
        
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        September 23, 2022 3:07pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Ross – whether you agree with him or not KK is a person of principle who does his research and walks the talk. What are you?
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:40am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      “Person of principle”.
      Defending people who use others unfortunate deaths including a murder victim to try and further your agenda on vaccine deaths is not my definition of principled unfortunately.
      Obviously your standards are different from mine.
      
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      September 23, 2022 11:06am
      - riffer
        
        Hear hear Ross. However, sadly, you are wrestling a pig on this one. Far from an opportunity for General Debate, this place often is more an echo chamber with the ability to downtick and uptick.
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:02pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        Yes they certainly are different Ross. You come in here to antagonise people you know don’t agree with you and do it in a nasty way.
        
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        September 23, 2022 6:17pm
      - Hebe123
        
        By murder victim are you referring to Rory Nairn? May he Rest In Peace having being killed at the behest of Cindy.
        
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        September 23, 2022 7:15pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thanks, wilderbeast. Appreciated.
      
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      September 23, 2022 12:15pm
      - wilderbeast
        
        👍
        
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        September 23, 2022 6:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ardern does not care, because it cost US, not HER.
  
  I get emails from The Daily Sceptic, but I did not see that.
  Be interested in the Pfizer shots altering human DNA.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:04am
  - krazykiwi
    
    This study was the first : Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line
    
    Our study shows that BNT162b2 can be reverse transcribed to DNA in liver cell line Huh7, and this may give rise to the concern if BNT162b2-derived DNA may be integrated into the host genome and affect the integrity of genomic DNA, which may potentially mediate genotoxic side effects
    
    .. and..
    
    Conclusion: Our study is the first in vitro study on the effect of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2 on human liver cell line. We present evidence on fast entry of BNT162b2 into the cells and subsequent intracellular reverse transcription of BNT162b2 mRNA into DNA.
    
    … and a glimmer of hope …
    
    Further studies are needed to demonstrate the effect of BNT162b2 on genomic integrity, including whole genome sequencing of cells exposed to BNT162b2, as well as tissues from human subjects who received BNT162b2 vaccination
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:21am
    - Aunty
      
      https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/4/113/htm
      
      https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/a-swedish-study-did-not-say-covid-vaccine-changes-human-dna/
      
      “A study into whether the mRNA Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine may convert into DNA by reverse transcription was conducted on liver cancer cells in an in-vitro experiment. While the study found some evidence this might occur, the study does not show the change claimed by Peter McCullough and does not show a process that occurs in living subjects. The study’s authors and experts spoken to by AAP FactCheck say the research has been widely misunderstood and did not investigate or prove that the Pfizer vaccine alters human DNA.”
      
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      September 23, 2022 11:55am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Aunty, if you place any trust in the objectivity of ‘fact checkers’ then you are beyond hope.
        
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        September 23, 2022 12:21pm
      - Aunty
        
        So even though these Australian fact checkers have spoken directly to the authors who wrote the paper and conducted the research, who have clearly said that their research has been widely misunderstood (a polite way of saying that your interpretation/ understanding of their work is wrong). Even after all of that, you still cling to your anti-vax faith and beliefs.
        
        Oh no, Crazy, it is not I who is beyond all hope. It is you.
        
        The first link by the way, is not from a fact-checker, but someone, in contrast to you, who is actually qualified to comment on the original paper and the science therein.
        
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        September 23, 2022 12:41pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        No “faith” or “beliefs” required, Aunty. Just eyes open, and a mind curious enough to see the tsunami of evidence of harm caused by these experimental genetic therapies, and by the NPIs foisted on us by self-interested authorities. I’d like to think you’d come to your senses, but somehow I doubt that will happen.
        
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        September 23, 2022 1:41pm
      - riffer
        
        I have observed that many of those who claim to have the most open minds often have them so open their brains fall out.
        
        The misinterpretation of the linked study is a classic example.
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:04pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        What did I “misinterpret”, riffer?
        
        The quoted segments from the study are relevant to the discussion, and I’ve read the full study twice now.
        
        Feel free to post evidence showing that these novel mRNA injectables leave the human genome unchanged. I would like this to be the case.
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:13pm
      - riffer
        
        With respect, (Mod – deleted). It’s not my job to prove that something that hasn’t been done will disprove your wild theories.
        
        The study itself indicated that just because the vaccine made changes to the liver cells, in vitro, and in isolation, that no presumption should be made about in vivo studies as the mechanism by which any covid vaccine could do this was not currently understood. It is to be the subject of further studies.
        
        As I am not involved in the studies, any comment of mine on this mechanism would be speculation at best, but more likely just fart-sniffing.
        
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        September 23, 2022 2:55pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        First is was “misinterpretations”.
        
        Now it is “wild theories”.
        
        You’ve failed to outline either. So I ask again: What have I misinterpreted? And what are my “wild theories”, those that appear to have you so wound up?
        
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        September 23, 2022 3:13pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Street parties when she’s voted out? 😄🤣🎉🎇🎆
    
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    September 23, 2022 4:38pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Sadly I dont think citizens understand the serious situation regarding Russia and Ukraine.
  1. Putin is physically and mentally unwell. There are reports he may have terminal conditions.
  2. He has surrounded himself with a group of physopaths.
  3. It is reported he is constantly on the move from one well guarded location to another.
  4. The Russian people are starting to protest and being brutally supressed.
  5. He is being backed into a corner by the West. This is the only course if action other than standing by and letting him do what he wishes.Even the CCP are distancing themselves realising the situation could work against them and their agenda.
  6. He has 6000 nukes however they are old tech untested and unrealiable. The good news is they may fail when launched and if better explode in their bunkers causing an own goal.
  7. IMHO it is impossible to predict what he might do given the above.
  8. If he is on his way out either healthwise or a coup is mounted he could decide to go out with a bang and launch his all arsenal.
  
  For these reasons I believe the world is in a more precarious position than anytime since the mid 1930’s and only time will tell what the outcome will be. I pray it will be a good one but I have my doubts.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:10am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Of course, it is impossible to predict what he might do so why worry. If it blows it blows no amount of worry will stop that. There is also the other side, that he’s on the move because he has a target on his back, as much to his own character he will be aware that he can’t trust those closest to him as he himself has been unable to be trusted. He’s over-reached and when the full issues are considered for the greater good – he is the problem.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:55am
  - Inandout
    
    last, Putin has nowhere near the absolute power (nor the widespread popularity) that Hitler had. He hangs onto power more through cunning and smart gas energy moves than anything else.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:59am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Lastman standing.
    Wow.
    You really need to get out more.
    Or are you getting a backhander from The Comedian)Zelensky) or the Comatose.(Biden),
    
    Its seems that the Ukrainian situation has replaced Covid as the go to subject for MSN opinion writers in generating fear porn.
    This mornings Herald article from an oz journo is a case in point. Headed analysis it is actually an opinion piece.
    Russia-Ukraine war: Map shows desperate Putin is losing control, has nowhere to turn
    
    Lastman, Let me respond point by point.
    1. Putin is unwell physically and mentally. There are reports….Yep MSm spitting out Ukrainian/West Propganda. To be expected but not necessarily proven. I woul d say howerever watching Putin he is waaaay ahead of Biden both mentally and physically.
    
    2. Your Opinion I guess. You are obviously not a student of the Russian Federation politics. Do you actually know what a Physopath is? Perhaps you meant Psychopath
    3. Sorta of like Joe Biden?
    4, Yep, sort of like the Ukrainians, but at least Russian dissidents are not being shot as sympathisers Like Ukrainian dissidents.
    5. Yep he was backed in to a corner by the West. Hence the Military action in support of the Donbas which has been shelled by Ukrainians since 2014 in contravention of the Minsk agreement. Estimated 14,000 civilians killed
    6. Another opinion. You really are gullible in reading and believing the West Propaganda.
    7. Unpredictable? Guess you havent been following his public statements going back many years. He has been signaling his intentions at many public and International forums.
    8. You really dont undertsand how the system works. If you think the military would allow themselves and their families to go out in a big bang, then I suggest you readup on Russian military responses to supposed Nuclear attacks from the US. Russia is not Jonestown.
    
    All of my points can be confimed with a few hours searching with Google.
    
    Why am I taking the time to respond? Because it pisses me off seeing loads of mis information/opinion being regurgitated as tho it has some basis in fact.
    
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    September 23, 2022 11:11am
    - Batman
      
      Ra that was a rebuttal of absolutely nothing except a chance to use your own pet talking points.
      
      However, on point one I agree with you. There has been a bit of fanciful speculation on Putin because of his changing appearance. Some say roids, some say cancer, some say Parkinson’s.
      
      But none of those claims are anywhere close to true.
      
      What we do know is that he has been isolated for several years now and only hears what he wants via supplicant advisors who are afraid of the boss. As evidenced by his bullshit justifications and reasoning around Ukrainian sovereignty, he is not operating in the real world.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:01pm
    - mawm
      
      Ra – just about everything you have pointed out are the conclusions I have come to when doing my own research. Have you read a transcript or listened to Putin’s announcement of mobilisation of troops? It was scrubbed from the net very quickly! Here is a link to parts of the speech and a commentary.
      https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/russia-announces-partial-mobilization-the-gloves-are-coming-off.html#more
      
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      September 23, 2022 2:00pm
    - cjn
      
      When people talk to me about the war in Ukraine I ask them when it started. If they say in February 2022 I switch off.
      
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      September 23, 2022 8:39pm
  - Paulus
    
    We are told that over recent months a goodly number of high Russian Officials have disappeared – means gone on leave until they cannot be found.
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:07pm
- riffer
  
  That’s not a comparative study, and neglects the most important thing, which is a comparison to what the country would have lost, had they not done anything, which would be a magnitude far greater.
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:49pm
Chris Nisbet

Newshub reports: UK to scrap fracking ban

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2022/09/uk-scraps-gas-fracking-ban-amid-energy-crisis.html

It’s a bit odd though. There are quite a few words notable by their absence.
e.g.
CO2
Net Zero
Climate
Emergency
Sustainable
Renewable
‘Crisis’ is only there in reference to the state of their energy supply, not in reference to the climate.

How can a story about the UK’s massive backflip on policies allegedly designed to ‘tackle climate change’ (which is complete tosh) not mention climate even once? It’s almost as though they don’t want people to see what’s actually happening here.
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September 23, 2022 8:10am
- artemisia
  
  There is a Planet B?
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:13am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    There is a happy green utopia for all to be had by replacing hydro/nuclear/fossil fuels with current technology “renewables”?
    
    Or will this be a great leap backwards into short, dirty, smelly diseased lives for the vast majority? A: YES.
    
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    September 23, 2022 4:54pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, amazing what happens when there’s a shortage of electrical energy and Boris’s wife/partner no longer has any influence in Parliament.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  Stable, abundant, and low cost energy is what has lifted us from privations of the dark ages. The focus on ‘green’ energy is returning us there.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Isn’t this “reset” great?!
    
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    September 23, 2022 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    “Stable, abundant, and low cost energy is what has lifted us from privations of the dark ages.”
    
    Yup, it also ended slavery (well mostly) as it became cheaper to use machinery than people.
    
    It also allowed people to focus on the environment etc. The Thames is now cleaner than it was in pre-industrial times.
    
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    September 23, 2022 8:47am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      It also allowed for the rise of “equal rights” as rich educated people with newly afforded spare time agitated for more goodies as “rights”.
      
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      September 23, 2022 4:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There will be thousands who do not know what fracking is, or how it is done, therefore they bypass it. First to scream when fuel bill skyrocket.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:14am
  - riffer
    
    CO2 fracking shows some promise, both as more environmentally friendly, and as a means of dealing with atmospheric CO2.
    
    Sadly, it’s not cheaper than the status quo, so business probably won’t embrace it until it’s too late.
    
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    September 23, 2022 2:09pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      A guy I know who lives in Colorado is part of our host family in Alaska. He travels to Alaska to work on the North Slope (Prudoe Bay or near)
      Fracking they do is with mud (as they call it) Different viscosity depending on what they are doing.
      It is for gas and/or oil. 14 days on, and 21 days off. Taking home a shitload of money.
      
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      September 23, 2022 2:59pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Riffer: “Sadly, it’s not cheaper than the status quo, so business probably won’t embrace it until it’s too late.”
      
      Business tends not to embrace loss making enterprises. It’s hard to pay the bills and pay your staff. Weird, I know. 🤣
      
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      September 23, 2022 5:26pm
- rangitoto
  
  The lifting of the fracking ban was one of the first things Liz Truss announced. Thank goodness Carrie no longer has influence on the UK Government.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:05am
  - mawm
    
    Hmm.. but Truss is a WEF pawn.
    
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    September 23, 2022 2:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She may be a WEF pawn, but I guess she likes to cook and stay warm
      
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      September 23, 2022 3:00pm
artemisia

Mood of the Boardroom CEO survey in the Herald today – no punches pulled.

Credibility disappearing, PR skyrocketing.

… Ardern has lost more credibility in the months since the last survey. “Definitely waning,” said a banker. “But if you had asked about communication skills I would have put her off the charts.”
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September 23, 2022 8:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  Most megalomaniacal tyrants have, or did have great communication skills. It’s not a good skill for them to have from the perspective of outcomes for the rank and file. I’d rather that leaders had wisdom, empathy and humility.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’d just settle for a modicum of common sense and life experience.
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:20am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Cognisant of Godwinning, it has to be said that Hitler at the Nuremberg Rallys was off the chart in a way that Jaxxie can only dream of.
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:01pm
- riffer
  
  Last time I checked, voting was not limited to CEOs. They are a tiny proportion of the population, and do not well reflect the views of the majority.
  
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  September 23, 2022 2:10pm
Maggie Pie

Are we likely to see this law brought in here?

Property Developers in the UK are now required to install steel bars on first floor windows of all new-builds…to prevent tall people falling out.

https://mol.im/a/11238393

My partner thinks this is actually a good thing.
He’s 6 ft 3 and is constantly falling out of windows.
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September 23, 2022 8:15am
- cmm
  
  6ft 3? Upper middle max.
  
  But those steel bars better be covered in foam because the next wowser to come along will point out that gnomes will bump their heads on it.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:25am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    CMM – that’s not very inclusive speech, you left out midgets, dwarfs and circus performers of unusual height.
    
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    September 23, 2022 8:36am
    - cmm
      
      I shall try to do better.
      
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      September 23, 2022 8:48am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Cmm,
    And once you install the foam, PETA will demand that the foam be covered in steel so that household pets don’t chew on the foam, which will get lodged in their stomachs.
    
    But PETA will never say the bars have to be removed because they make the offices and homes look like sow farrowing cages.
    
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    September 23, 2022 8:52am
    - riffer
      
      Nah, PETA will be fine because the majority of tradies are evil, sausage and steak devouring men, and we could well afford to lose a few of those. They will be asking for removal of all barries, and subsidies to hire people of non-male gender to push them out the windows.
      
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      September 23, 2022 2:12pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Would be a good idea in Russia, as haven’t there been a few people fall out of windows after disagreeing with Putin?
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I clicked on that link and guess what? To my disappointment it is NOT The Babylon Bee.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:24am
- rangitoto
  
  That will upset Vlad. He will only have the tea and door handle options available.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:35am
- Squeek
  
  It probably will come here because NZ councils are full of UK migrant council workers who have a tendency to copy the rules of their home country and apply them here.
  
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  September 23, 2022 2:12pm
RockyJ

I got a lot of out of the Auckland Ratepayer’s Alliance televised debate by Auckland mayoral candidates. The Curia poll results presented by David Farrar were excellent.

One issue was that the poll asked respondents to rate their key issues. These included things like rate rises, transport. But there was no question asking how people rated cogovernance as an issue.

I think cogovernance will be the defining issue of the general election. This will be despite the government and media doing everything they can to hide it while they get on with implementing it. The elites seem to believe that the only issue we deplorables are concerned about is the cost of living and the price of petrol. I think we kiwis have a much higher level of political acumen than they imagine
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September 23, 2022 8:16am
Taieri

‘tackle climate change’
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Before any “climate change” can be “tackled” it would be useful to decide what is or should be an optimal climate?
The one predominant in Saudi Arabia? Or perhaps the climate predominant in Bluff, NZ? And how about London? Vladivostok? Alice Springs? Wellington, NZ?
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September 23, 2022 8:19am
- wilderbeast
  
  Gee don’t think about it too much Taieri, you’re sounding rational – and that’s the enemy of our journey towards the socialist utopia!
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:42am
- cjn
  
  This is a very good question. I asked some College boys who were walking to a climate protest what sort of a climate they wanted. Do you know they didn’t know? What a surprise!
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:48pm
mogg

Racist roads and bridges; https://youtu.be/BtZgV-K_gho. Biden goes walkabout again.
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September 23, 2022 8:20am
- Batman
  
  In the spirit of learning, you should have a read of this article. If you don’t feel like reading, you can listen to it as well
  
  https://www.npr.org/2021/04/07/984784455/a-brief-history-of-how-racism-shaped-interstate-highways
  
  It’s actually an interesting topic, if you take away the nastiness of the motivations.
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:06pm
Alex

Seems a bit ‘over the top to me’ a bit like Putin’s mobilization which the young are trying to get out of by fleeing to Georgia or Finland.
What about one of Putin’s oligarchs who fell out of the hospital window, should have had bars.
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September 23, 2022 8:27am
- Alex
  
  Just looking at lists of the “Falls” the Russian nagnstes have had from hospital windows like RavalMaganov of Lukoil oil giant which criticized invasion of Ukraine.
  Another one fell from an apartment, another fell down stairs, another down a cliff, another off a boat.
  So msny deaths since beginning of 2022 about 14.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:09am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Gravity, hey. It’s a bastard.
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:02pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Different tunes but Another one bites the concrete? Or how about Jumping out a window?
  
  Actually my favourites in The Mystery of The Dead Russian Oligarchs are the ones that have killed their families and then committed suicide. Very unusual behaviour for billionaires.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:54am
  - Batman
    
    A great book on this is From Russia With Blood by Heidi Blake.
    
    Certainly a lot of heart attacks and window falls…. So accident prone! How mysterious!
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:08pm
    - cjn
      
      This book was edited by the FBI. In their spare time. Bits are redacted to save their blushes. You can tell by the black lines. {It could have been the CIA. }
      
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      September 23, 2022 8:52pm
Surely Knott

The new “Christchurch Call Initiative” announced by Ardern yesterday is with Openmined led by Trask.

The Herald says ” innovative technology by OpenMined is a key building block to significantly expand the ability of researchers to understand the role of algorithms in content discovery and amplification while protecting the privacy of people’s data.”

Trask has a blog and in 2017 talks about how the technology could be used for Crime and Security.

He says “Governments want back-doors into apps like WhatsApp (which constitute unrestricted READ access to a live data stream), but many are concerned about trusting big brother to self-regulate the privacy of WhatsApp users. “……..

(So they’re not just talking about searching your public facebook or twitter posts but your private group messages)

“Let’s take a second and consider the high level difference that this model can make for law enforcement. Present day, in order to detect events such as a murder or terrorist attack, law enforcement needs unrestricted access to data streams which might be predictive of the event. Thus, in order to detect an event that may occur in 0.0001% of the data, they have to have access to 100% of the data stream by re-directing it to a secret warehouse wherein (I assume) Machine Learning models are likely deployed.

However, with this approach the same Machine Learning models currently used to identify crimes can instead be encrypted and used as detectors which are deployed to the data stream itself (i.e., chat applications). Law Enforcement then only has access to the predictions of the model as opposed to having access to the entire dataset. This is similar to the use of drug dogs in an airport.” “Drug dogs eliminate the need for law enforcement to search everyone’s bags looking for cocaine. Instead, a dog is TRAINED (just like a Machine Learning model) to exclusively detect the existence of narcotics.”

Where his technology appears to be going is something like a spam filter on your gmail but would be a govt crime filter on your gmail, your facebook messenger or your whats app, that automatically detects crime on your private messages .

The other feature of this data is it can then be shared from govts’ to corporates and cross borders.

Which is the project the UN has just announced using the same sort of technology. “The UN Committee of Experts on Big Data and Data Science for Official Statistics has announced the launch of a pilot programme, to make international data sharing more secure by using Privacy Enhancing Technologies (PETs). The UN PET Lab is running a pilot program with several National Statistical Offices (NSOs). The lab will demonstrate that PETs can make fully compliant data sharing between organizations possible. PETs help data providers and data users to safely share information by using encryption and protocols that allow someone to produce useful output data without “seeing” the input data”

https://iamtrask.github.io/2017/06/05/homomorphic-surveillance/
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September 23, 2022 8:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Probably pays to use snail mail, then , if you want to send secure messages.
  
  I can’t see Our Government employing a bunch of letter snoopers these days.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:50am
- Surely Knott
  
  And Andrew Trask of Open Mined is ” is also a member of the United Nations Privacy Task Force, raising awareness and lowering the barrier-to-entry for the use of privacy preserving analytics within the public sector.”
  
  It sounds like they are protecting your privacy but it’s so they can access all your private data and share it.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:28am
- cjn
  
  This is just the thing for Kiwiblog. River of filth.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:54pm
Opie

Mark Woolhouse, one of Scotland’s top infectious disease epidemiologists, just released The Year the World Went Mad: A Scientific Memoir.

It’s certainly a step in the right direction and relates to the identical madness we have seen here. My only question is why the world reacted this way? It’s starting to look ot could only be deliberate, but again why?

Some excerpts – (which make great statements for when you come across any zero covid zealots)

“My main aim in writing this book is that lockdown scepticism will become the mainstream view.”

“There is comfort in following the crowd even while it is stampeding in the wrong direction. We wouldn’t let go of lockdown even after the evidence of the harm it was causing became so compelling that the WHO itself came to reject it.”

“The advisory system was dominated by clinicians and public health specialists who weren’t looking at the bigger picture, such as economists, ethicists…which is why they kept recommending lockdown…. The response was being driven too much by epidemiology, and I’m an epidemiologist.”

“Richard Horton — editor of the Lancet — and others continued to rail against their straw man version of a herd immunity strategy…the debate descended into farce…like the tide, herd immunity happens whether you believe in it or not.”

“Lockdown was never going to solve the problem, it just deferred it to another day, and it did so at great cost…everyone needs to understand what such a harmful intervention can and cannot achieve before we introduce it. They didn’t.”

“Lockdown was conceived by the WHO and China as a means of eradicating the virus once and for all from the face of the earth. With hindsight, this plan was doomed to fail from the outset.”

“During the pandemic, several politicians adopted the position that ‘no death from covid is acceptable’…. This made it impossible to tackle the virus in a rational manner…. We do not treat any other public health issue this way.”

“Will the cure turn out to be worse than the disease?… As early as April 2020, ONS used quality adjusted life years (QALY) lost to weigh harms and benefits…. The best estimate was three times more harm…we got the balance wrong.”

“As far back as March 2020 there was evidence from China that outdoor transmission was extremely rare…. To my knowledge, no outbreaks have been linked to a beach anywhere in the world, ever.”

“The average age of death in the UK is 78 years old…. The average age of death from covid-19 up to October 2020 was 80 years…. I’d say that was a reasonable definition of a disease of old age.”

And it reminds us of all the looniness from “public health” officials and even from your local doctor, who more often than not endorsed these measures. Your local doctor to this day thinks he’s saving lives by separating the “clean” pens from the used pens.
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September 23, 2022 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Public Health Officials. Shoulder X-ray a while back. Had to fill in a form. Two containers of pens – ‘clean’ and ‘used’ No shit. Also someone in the office cleaning another container of pens!
  We pay for this ffs.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:29am
  - Opie
    
    I once asked the vacant head at the front desk what constitutes a clean pen and how can I be 100% sure it’s clean enough for me to use it safely. She said their protocol was to double wipe it with sanitizer. I demanded a new one fresh out of a sealed packet and told her I just couldn’t take the chance.
    
    Of all the things you might catch off a pen, covid is the least likely and least concerning
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:42am
- JackRabbit
  
  As far back as March 2020 there was evidence from China that outdoor transmission was extremely rare…. To my knowledge, no outbreaks have been linked to a beach anywhere in the world, ever.
  
  Agreed,
  
  The stats may have changed, albeit slightly, but I was advised a few months back by a senior medical hospital practitioner, that you could count on one hand, quite literally, the number of cases of Covid-19 worldwide that were caught at the beach. Two (2) or three (3) I think the number was. And that is cases, not deaths.
  
  “Br’er Rabbit is sick, he has ‘Rabbit Covid’. He must remain in lock down with Br’er Fox and Br’er Bear, so he can er, um, be ‘cured’. (Where is that damn Saltpeter?) Then we will put him ~~in a rabbit pie~~ with the rest of the other ‘cured’ bunnies.
  
  In the interim, on no account should Br’er Rabbit be allowed to escape into the Briar Patch as he will certainly spread ‘Rabbit Covid’ and die along with 80,000 other rabbits.”
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:48am
nathie

Breaking News!

The Peoples Labour Govt of Aotearoa NZ (Forever and Ever) has banned sales of the Edmonds Cook Book and it is now classified as a terrorist handbook meaning anyone caught with one may face imprisonment.

Deputy PM and newly minted Minister of Threat Assessments against the Peoples Labour Party, the Left-Honorable Grant Robertson issued a statement to clarify the matter.

“At first we were concerned about Lamington Cakes being weaponised, however further study revealed a concerning number of potential Weapons of Mass (Media replay) Distraction, such as Lemon and Raspberry, Black Forrest, Banana and Butter, and Lemon and Sour Cakes, in fact many others that were also of concern”.

“Let me reassure the people that we did not make this decison lightly, after wide debate including whether to classify these cakes as Weapons of Mass Consumption, and have the people show their support to the Peoples Labour Govt by baking them on a roster basis for Local Electorate Office breakfast, morning tea, lunch, afternoon tea, dinner and desert, I am proud to say I collectively made the correct decision in the end”.

“Finally to show you our support of you the people, we invite you the people to join your amnesty and attend Edmond Cookbook burning ceremonies, failure to do so will result in something that rarely happens otherwise – an actual in-person Police visit!”.
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September 23, 2022 8:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is going on FB for the kiddie mods to ponder over
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:32am
Maggie Pie

And can’t believe they’ve got that John Campbell reading OneEwes 🙁
What a fake, pretentious, little creep!!
He’s sooo dramatic….always talks like he’s 5 seconds away from an orgasm.

Just saying.
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September 23, 2022 8:37am
- Bridgenag
  
  Love you Maggie😀
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:43am
- krazykiwi
  
  You watch One News? Help. Get help, Maggie. I’ve not watched this for perhaps a decade, other than being ‘forced’ to when visiting my elderly mum. Last week I could have filled a woke/socialist bingo card with phrases in the first 15 mins. It was nauseating, and more so to think of those folks sitting at home ingesting this indoctrination, day after day.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:46am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Precisely kk.
    
    And Maggie, part of not being indoctrinated, is not watching anything you can’t genuinely fact check, or that blasts the message out at 100mph leaving no time for the viewer to analyse, digest, and/or reject the data.
    
    Dr Who was right, state media is turning the public into cybermen/cyberwomen/cyberthingies
    
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    September 23, 2022 8:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I watch it in the mornings. The speaker of the house insists. Keep the queen bee happy and the whole hive is happy.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:49am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Can’t believe that you’re still watching OneEwes.
  Doesn’t your TV respond to the 3 button?
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:47am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Captain – “3”? That’s an unusual spelling of “off”?
    
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    September 23, 2022 8:50am
- emmess
  
  I wonder what the AV Input button does?
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Changes language to Te Reo?
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:50am
    - riffer
      
      Pai ake pea…
      
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      September 23, 2022 2:59pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The door to R. T. Rower is over there>>>>>>>>>
        
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        September 23, 2022 3:04pm
ClanMcleod

El gato malo has an interesting post today. We should try it here.

what was the biggest lie you were told about covid?
community project

el gato malo
20 min ago
wow it is hard to pick just one.

“safe and effective.”

“your mask protects me.”

“definitely zoonotic”

“trust the experts”

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/what-was-the-biggest-lie-you-were

For me it was “tested and approved” – it was neither. It was not tested properly and it was rubber stamped by Medsafe even though they were fully aware of the “missing information” around the most vulnerable groups. Pregnant, breastfeeding, frail and elderly and immune compromised.

It is all detailed here. This information was available from the beginning of the vaccination programme in NZ.

https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf

So what was the biggest lie you were told?
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September 23, 2022 8:42am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Fully protected.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:44am
- krazykiwi
  
  I saw the notification for this post, and before reading it the two that came to mind where “safe and effective.”, and “your mask protects me.”. Snap. Western governments, their strings being pulled by various supranational entities, are behind the most damaging psyop in history.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In a shop somewhere and a clown asked me to put a mask on to protect him. I said “Do you know where the woodshed is?”
    He quietly shuffled away.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:56am
- Opie
  
  If you are vaccinated you won’t catch covid and you won’t die.
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:50am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Jacinda “Stamp it out like measles” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Jacinda “95 percent effective”
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-purchases-enough-pfizer-vaccines-whole-country
  
  🤡🤡🤡🤡
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:54am
- Ross Campbell
  
  Difficult one as I have read so many on KB it is hard to remember them all.
  Probably a more fun contest would be to name the contributer who has told the most….
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:56am
  - Opie
    
    Let’s hear one then Ross?
    
    How about actually backing up your attacks with facts. Just once.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ross is Mike’s cuzzy-bro
      
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      September 23, 2022 9:57am
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Yeah I got one for you Opie since you want to hear one.
      A while back some guy on KB kept going on about how I made heaps of money on some land deal and was basically now living the good life courtesy of this.
      Complete rubbish of course but it did not stop him repeating it more than once.
      Now which contributor was that again…
      
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      September 23, 2022 10:01am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        And that has what exactly to do with covid?
        
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        September 23, 2022 10:41am
      - Ross Campbell
        
        Oh you want one to do with Covid?.
        How about El Gato Malo is one of the most insightful bloggers on Covid on the internet…
        Now that was a good one…
        
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        September 23, 2022 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “the contributer who has told the most….” is Mike by a country mile.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:59am
- JackRabbit
  
  And the RAT tests themselves, according to Medsafe were never tested, to see if they worked.
  
  Medical devices (including COVID-19 test kits) in New Zealand are not assessed and approved by Medsafe before they can be supplied and used. That is, Medsafe does not conduct a pre-market assessment or issue an approval.. There is a requirement for most medical devices to be notified to the Web-Assisted Notification of Devices (WAND) database, operated by Medsafe. This is not compulsory for in vitro diagnostic (IVD) devices, including POC test kits, although is strongly encouraged by Medsafe.
  
  WAND is not an approval database. It holds information about medical devices supplied in New Zealand that have been self-notified by the New Zealand manufacturer/importer of the device. The information on WAND is not publicly visible.
  
  As the pre-market legislative/regulatory requirements are minimal, this places even more responsibility on the manufacturer/importer to ensure the medical devices supplied are safe and effective.
  
  https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/medicines/policy-statements/COVID19/COVID19PointOfCareTestKits.asp
  
  Same as the Vaccines, the now CDC outlawed PCR test, etc…..
  
  They just rubber stamp what the manufacturer print in their marketing blurb.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:02am
- cmm
  
  The biggest lies come wrapped in the truth.
  
  The biggest lies are not the direct, outright, lies. Those are easily exposed and dealt with.
  
  The biggest lies are manipulations of the “facts” to support an agenda.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Those who choose to opt out of vaccinations won’t face any penalties at all.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/coronavirus-jacinda-ardern-confident-enough-kiwis-will-get-covid-19-vaccine-for-herd-immunity-without-being-forced-to.html
  
  Tell that to the folks who lost their jobs.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Just shows the crap she talked. There was never going to be herd immunity because the vaccine never stopped transmission☹️
    
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    September 23, 2022 12:56pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      Yeah talking crap about Covid was definitely not confined to Ardern.
      According to the punters on here we should have been like Sweden and let it rip because this was going to give them the mythical herd immunity as well but guess what it didn’t.
      Everyone’s gone a bit quiet about that one now.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:05pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You really need to get off the Herald website. Your inability to present any form of rational or evidence based argument is an embarrassment.
        
        https://swprs.org/judgment-day-sweden-vindicated/
        
        You really do live in a bizarre little echo chamber. Your self loathing must be a great burden. I sometimes pity you. Sometimes.
        
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        September 24, 2022 8:19am
- Frank the tank
  
  Surgical face nappies.
  
  The proponents never provided any independent evidence outside of a discredited guardian article and a Bangladeshi village trial then ignored the Waterloo Uni study that showed they were next to useless.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:34am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I loved the fact that in the data for that Bangladeshi trial they recorded the colour of the masks (there were two colours) and it’s been found that one colour protected better than the other with the classic “statistical significance” – just like the pronounced result of the trial.
    
    Running tests like that on the data to see if you can produce statistically correct but obviously nonsensical results is a bog-standard way of testing whether the data is “noisy” and worthless for drawing conclusions. This lot clearly was. There were other silly results you could produce as well that were statistically significant.
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:05am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Tom Hunter – indeed, the Bangladesh mask study was quickly exposed as the nonsense that it was.
      
      https://trialsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13063-022-06704-z#Sec4
      
      But not before the majority of mainstream media outlets had published huge banner headlines claiming it “proved” that masks worked to stop covid.
      It has been a massive psyop and narrative control like nothing we’ve been exposed to ever before.
      
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      September 24, 2022 8:33am
- WaynelSexton
  
  It wasn’t just the lying rhetoric the media and governments used, it was also the stupid questions regular people would ask me because I was unvaccinated.
  
  Why would they lie?
  -money, power, etc
  -regular people lie for the dumbest reasons
  
  How can the majority be wrong?
  -have you ever heard of Nazi Germany…
  
  What makes you think you’re smarter than a scientists?
  -I don’t, but a scientist can lie.
  – it’s obvious they are lying, because not enough time has passed to know the long term effects.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whopper of a lie was ‘nobody will be forced to take the vaccine, and those who opt out will not be punished’ (paraphrased) JA.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can someone please present this post to Jaspinda? I want to see her reaction.
  How about you Ross? You must be closer to the ninth than us.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:02am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    Sorry Steve but your fantasies of me having political connections or of me being some government insider are just another one of those lies we were talking about.
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:17am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “You must be closer to the ninth than us.” is a guess, not a lie.
      Man you lefties can bend and twist things to suit your warped narrative.
      You have a good day there Roscoe
      
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      September 23, 2022 12:19pm
    - riffer
      
      LOL. Funny how anyone who doesn’t follow the KB party line is obviously a Fraser House worker eh?
      
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      September 23, 2022 3:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Are you stalking me? Be careful little boy
        
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        September 23, 2022 3:06pm
Benedict Yu

It is ironic that Jacinda chatted away to the Canadian PM, telling him how we are tackling climate change, while travelling in a large VIP plane burning hundreds of tons of fuel to transport 2 people from London to New York. 😀😀😀

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mikes-minute-ardern-exposed-as-a-climate-hypocrite/
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September 23, 2022 8:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Now now Benedict, you know you aren’t allowed to point out the blatant hypocrisy of our princess…..
  
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  September 23, 2022 8:53am
- Ruawai
  
  Could you think of a worse way to spend a flight listening to those two egos pat each other on the back.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is sickening to even think of it
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:09am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  They had photos of the interior of the plane. Way more than 2 people. It would have included key diplomats supporting the two PM’s, guests to the funeral, journalists and various others. Probably at least 100 on board.
  
  Now of course, as cynics, you could suggest that New Zealand should have only sent the High Commissioner to the funeral and have zero people flying in from New Zealand.
  
  There are many things to attack the PM on, but fulfilling her expected constitutional duties is not really one of them. It is no more than a cheap shot.
  
  Benedict, you are normally better than that.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    If you really wanted to defend Trudo and JA you could have pointed out that the fuel usage of the private Jet would likely be a lot less than travelling in one of the NZ Airforce planes (it they are even working).
    
    However there is no constituation duty to attend UN talk fests arounds such pressing matters as the Christchurch call.
    
    If JA and Trudo really gave a shit about the environment, they could have travelled on comercial jets. They could have reduced their entourage who also could have flown with the plebs. But they didn’t did they. Which was Benedicts point.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:30am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      She had to return to New Zealand anyway. Going by way of New York probably added very little.
      
      Unlike some here, I do actually see merit in New Zealand being represented at Leaders Week at the UN.
      
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      September 23, 2022 10:01am
      - RoboRob
        
        You are still missing the point. Intentionally? They could have attended the UN meeting and flown commercial. They chose to big note it in a private Jet and harm the environment. They then have the audacity to stand up at the UN and preach about climate change.
        
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        September 23, 2022 10:07am
      - Batman
        
        Wayne I entirely agree with you but you’re deep amongst the “UN NWO” conspiracy idiots on this one. Remember what they say about wrestling a pig, or fighting a brick wall!
        
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        September 23, 2022 1:15pm
      - Paulus
        
        Hope they do not offload her on Saturday for the return flight due to hot air restrictions.
        Don’t you know who I am – this is my Airline.
        
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        September 23, 2022 1:22pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Spoken like someone that enjoys the hypocritical trough Wayne.
    
    PM, partner and GC plus partner. On commercial flights as requested by King Chuck. No hangers on, no feckless, no advisors etc.
    
    (Mod – corrected name, please show respect to members and don’t use silly names)
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:39am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Seriously, do really expect the PM (no matter what Party) to travel without advisors. All sorts of things happen that require the PM’s attention. Being kept up to date on national and international affairs. And no, the general media is not sufficient. There are diplomatic and intelligence communications, often with very high clearance. There will be numerous interviews. They need some preparation.
      Even on a day trip in NZ, the PM always has at least 3 staff with him or her, plus DP officers. On international travel covering several days, never less than 10 staff.
      
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      September 23, 2022 10:08am
      - RoboRob
        
        I seriously expect a PM that believes in climate change to travel with the smallest entourage possible and to fly exclusively on commercial air lines. I expect her to fly as little as possible and to restrict her staff to the same rules.
        
        Remember this is someone that believes the world as we know it is about to end and that all steps must be taking to prevent extreme loss of life. If that is your view do you fly private and pull the ‘Maori King’ around the world with you?
        
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        September 23, 2022 10:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Absolutely no reason why our Dear PM couldn’t have done all her UN speeches etc by Zoom… or even pre-recorded.
        
        About time she fronted up in NZ Parliament .
        
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        September 23, 2022 11:30am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Wayne – all most people would expect is those who preach the loudest to at least lead by example instead of lecturing the plebs while virtue signaling at every opportunity. Masks on for the stage managed camera shots, masks off when nobody is looking.
        You are totally wrong on this one. As for Batman’s support for your comment, that actually drags it further down the toilet.
        
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        September 24, 2022 8:43am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        My concern is why she spends more time appearing in front of approved and approving audiences instead of in her own country which she’s supposed to be in charge of.
        Mahuta is the Foreign minister isn’t she? Why is Ardern doing ten times more air miles than the person picked for the job?
        It’s photo op and PR. It’s all Ardern knows. She is rightly terrified of appearing in front of the regular NZ public.
        She is an embarrassment to this country.
        
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        September 24, 2022 8:47am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    The Canadian delegation was 19 people. He was told by the UK government to not bring his own plane but did so anyway.
    
    https://www.politico.eu/article/queen-elizabeth-joe-biden-king-charles-westminster-abbeyonly-heads-of-state-plus-one-to-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral/amp/
    
    As a former politician you will be aware that optics matter. She is constantly telling us that there is a climate crisis. She should have taken a commercial flight to New York. Instead she was tempted by the luxury of a private plane and a chin wag with the Canadian PM.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:47am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Which is fair enough. Either way she would be travelling in an aircraft that was going to New York anyway. I would have thought having a decent one on one with the Canadian PM would be quite valuable. Think of Five Eyes, perhaps progress on trade, Commonwealth issues. Not just a chin wag on their favourite films and restaurants.
      
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      September 23, 2022 10:12am
      - Matt Long
        
        If the plane is going to NY anyway it makes sense.
        I suspect their chats will have been about furthering their socialist agendas, climate poverty policies, creating apartheid and stifling dissent through hate speech and similar laws.
        
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        September 23, 2022 10:42am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Wayne – yes, fair point. It was a great opportunity for a pair of fascist dictators to compare notes. I’m sure there were many benefits of hitching a ride.
        
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        September 24, 2022 8:49am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    BTW I have nothing against VIP planes. I’d jump at the chance to fly on one. But I am not the New York Zealand PM forcing ruinously expensive and in many cases horribly inefficient and inequitable climate change policies on the nation.
    
    Also for the avoidance of doubt I am not a “climate change denier”. However I deplore idiotic public policies and hypocrisy.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:51am
  - Taieri
    
    have zero people flying in from New Zealand.
    —————
    
    There’re some Zero People on that plane…
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:30am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Yesterday curry4me put up a post about The Platform on Covis death. The video link to YouTube was deleted by YouTube.
However, Joely Doe put up a direct link. For those who missed it:
https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/an-expert-s-take-on-a-confirmed-vaccine-death
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September 23, 2022 8:57am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Pfizer’s $20-30billion a year covid vaccine profit funds a colossal marketing budget that buys a lot of political, media and big tech editorial support. The greatest lesson of the last two years is just how much public discourse is owned and controlled by well financed special interests.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:03am
cmm

Student Climate Strike!

“Principals have taken a supportive stance ahead of the latest School Strike 4 Climate protests, with one school moving an exam so students can attend their local rally.”

C’mon, it’s hardly a strike if the principals are participating and encouraging it.

Another school day lost to wokeism.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/129961074/thousands-of-students-prepare-to-strike-against-climate-change
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September 23, 2022 9:02am
- JackRabbit
  
  Baby Turkeys arguing for Christmas.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:11am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  There’s hardly any kids left at schools to strike cmm. There was a day that if any kids joined in on this political stuff, the Principal would have had their parents up to to give them a warning that their kid would be suspended if they took the day off. And finally, children telling adults how things work and what they should do. How dumb are those adults?
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:11am
- Cinematic
  
  I wonder when they’ll start striking against an education system that is failing them. Would the principals support that?
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    Where are the teachers around these educational issues? They really dont seem to care about the kids at all.
    
    If they even gave a little shit about teaching them the principals might have come out strongly against the strike and pointed out the kids have missed 100s of hours class teaching time this year and that it is most important for them to be in school catching up. But I guess its more woke to let them fight for the climate while the teachers get paid to do f#@k all.
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:34am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The kids don’t know the education system is failing. The Principals and Teachers protect the kids from that. The just keep pushing the Marxism onto the kids.
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:18am
    - riffer
      
      These are Marx’s theories of how class conflict plays out in a capitalist system:
      
      Capitalist society is made up of two classes: the bourgeoisie, or business owners, who control the means of production, and the proletariat, or workers, whose labor transforms raw commodities into valuable economic goods.
      
      Ordinary laborers, who do not own the means of production, such as factories, buildings, and materials, have little power in the capitalist economic system. Workers are also readily replaceable in periods of high unemployment, further devaluing their perceived worth.
      
      To maximize profits, business owners have an incentive to get the most work out of their laborers while paying them the lowest possible wages. This creates an unfair imbalance between owners and laborers, whose work the owners exploit for their own gain.
      
      Because workers have little personal stake in the process of production, Marx believed they would become alienated from it, as well as from their own humanity, and turn resentful toward business owners.
      
      The bourgeoisie also employ social institutions, including government, media, academia, organized religion, and banking and financial systems, as tools and weapons against the proletariat with the goal of maintaining their position of power and privilege.
      
      Ultimately, the inherent inequalities and exploitative economic relations between these two classes will lead to a revolution in which the working class rebels against the bourgeoisie, takes control of the means of production, and abolishes capitalism.
      
      Please point out how any of these is untrue if you can.
      
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      September 23, 2022 3:07pm
- emmess
  
  The starving Sri Lankan people will be so proud
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:28am
- oldfella
  
  And if you watch TV3’s coverage of the schools climate protests, just remember Mike McRoberts is not an impartial observer. In 2019 he was one of the leaders…
  Newshub had to do some tactful filming of the School Strike 4 Climate protests in 2019 when one of their anchors abruptly – and against work policy – hopped into the front line with his then-teenage daughter, who was one of the co-organisers.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/125078983/mike-mcroberts-on-going-vegan-and-following-his-daughter-to-the-protest-front-lines
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:28am
  - alloytoo
    
    If nobody watches the MSM do these protests even happen?
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:05am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Kids obviously aren’t being taught things like:
  – logic (correlation is not causation)
  – the difference between observation (measurement) and models (prediction)
  – attention to detail (fearmongering stories are _filled_ with crap about what _will_ or _could_ happen, and gloss over what scientists _actually_ say (i.e. they don’t understand how some climatic process _actually_ works)
  – there’s a difference between what scientists ‘believe’ (opinion) and actual science. If some scientist tells you that we need a one-world government to tackle climate change, this is his _opinion_, not science.
  – what an appeal to authority is
  – history (just how bad things actually were when the globe was cooler, just how much better human life has gotten with the rise of cheap/abundant energy)
  
  This story is a classic example of a story that attempts to paint a scary picture, but is _actually_ filled with opinion rather than science, and (in the second word FFS) tells us that they are “uncertain” about the future.
  https://eos.org/features/the-uncertain-future-of-antarcticas-melting-ice
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:47am
- cas
  
  Do you think any journo will ask any of the students how old their phone or tablet etc is? Thought not.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:44am
ClanMcleod

The BFD.

One of the scary changes this Government is implementing is to “allow the cause of death to be recorded as ‘unascertained natural causes’ when the Coroner has concluded that the death is from a natural cause and no further investigation is necessary”.

What does this country have to hide?

Apparently with the rise in all cause mortality that is NOT due to covid, they are going to sweep the problem under the carpet.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/09/23/what-does-this-govt-have-to-hide/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-does-this-govt-have-to-hide

This government has a record of hiding inconvenient truths, but this one is huge. Stay focused people.
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September 23, 2022 9:07am
- JackRabbit
  
  CM,
  That’s tragic.
  
  But until they repeal the Crimes Act, falsifying data and/or failing to investigate a death that may in fact have been preventable is still a crime.
  
  They can pass any law they like, but it is still a crime to cover it up, and the new law is inconsistent with established laws such as the Crimes Act.
  
  Not that the courts will leap to the defense of grieving family members, but the public need to know that they need to push back. Push back is best done with individuals, not the state as a whole. Doctors, Coroners, Medical Examiners, etc
  
  The state as a whole, controlled from the top, is like a zombie nation and has no conscience. However individuals do. When the bulk of the individuals become zombies, all those zombie movies may start to become real.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:25am
KH

What ever happened to Matthew Tukaki, master of the press release.
Not seen him in the media since Yvonne Tahana of TV1 nailed him to the wall over his creative CV and his dodgy appointment as director of the Suicide Prevention Office.
(He makes Ormsby look second rate in snaffling government money)
Is it true Matt is now cleaning toilets on the Gold Coast. If not he should be.
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September 23, 2022 9:18am
- RockyJ
  
  He really is a piece of work. On LinkedIn, in his role as Director of the Office for Suicide Prevention, he did a post about the imminent peril of climate change. I pointed out to him that anxiety about climate change is one factor in the high rate of youth suicide. The post disappeared.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:36am
Gravelroad

Social media algorithms:
Does this mean that, come the general election next year, comments unfavourable to certain people/parties will be automatically filtered out?
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September 23, 2022 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If Jaspinda does not like something that may hurt her election votes, then yes, there will be all sorts of filtering.
  30 thousand emails could be deleted………..
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:29am
  - riffer
    
    No, it is more likely to be comments that combine politics with violence that attract attention.
    
    Algorithms can’t work well with singular points of data. You need to have multiple points to create a “score” that will trigger a moderation event.
    
    I’d give examples but I’d rather not trigger moderation events on this site, or subject DPF to potential legal issues.
    
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    September 23, 2022 3:11pm
Nukuleka

Matthew Hooten’s enthusiasm in the Herald for Jacinda as President of the new Republic of Aotearoa (unless it’s a pisstake- it’s paywalled so I’ve not read beyond the headline) will have warmed the cockles of DPF’s republican heart- or maybe not. The more that people like Hooten write such articles the better for monarchists such as myself. I’m thinking of starting a movement that promotes the Maori King to replace Charles as our Head of State. That prospect should put back the republican cause by at least a generation.
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September 23, 2022 9:21am
- Frank the tank
  
  Hooten would appear to be bipolar in his political musing but yes, if the PM was literally a figurehead without ANY political power at all Jacinda would be a good fit. Providing of course she had some decent stylists and didn’t look disheveled all the time.
  
  It won’t happen though as Jacinda is now far too polarising for this type of role (and will be a challenge for top UN jobs). There isn’t many great states people we have developed that could span the political divide required for this type of role – only the late Mike Moore or Don McKinnon spring to mind.
  
  Dick column by Hooten – an obvious trolling.
  
  (Mod – stop with the nicknames)
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:47am
  - RoboRob
    
    Hootem always appears bipolar as he talks about hatever his current employers want him to talk about. This means he is all over the spectrum.
    
    Clever guy but stopped listening to him years ago for that reason.
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:33am
- RoboRob
  
  Hi Nuk, skimmed the article for you. I think Hootens arguement for JA is that she is great in a ‘fugure head’ role and useless for implementation. So she would be a perfect figurehead president while more skilled (lol) Labour politicians actually did the work.
  
  Its done as a serious article but no matter what way I try and read it, its a piss take and an arguement for not having a president.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:50am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Jacinda has absolutely none of the qualities needed to be a responsible executive leader.
  
  But if the Presidency were to be purely about being a symbolic figure, with no political involvement or power at all, like the British Monarchy and like they have in some of the European republics, I think she might actually be pretty good at that.
  
  She is good at being pleasant and empathetic in person, particularly with sick kids and other picturesquely needy minorities; scrubs up OK (would probably gain a bit of much-needed weight if relieved of current stress levels); speaks well, if the script is prepared; goes over well internationally.
  
  So it does depend quite heavily on what sort of Presidency you’re envisaging.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:00am
  - Taieri
    
    She is good at being pleasant and empathetic in person, particularly with sick kids and other picturesquely needy minorities; scrubs up OK (would probably gain a bit of much-needed weight if relieved of current stress levels); speaks well, if the script is prepared; goes over well internationally
    —————-
    
    Apart from the last one, I meet or exceed all the above criteria. And don’t even have to put any weight on. But then again, I speak 4 languages so may be, just may be I could make the last one as well.
    
    Taieri for President!
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:35am
    - Don Beckett
      
      The Maori name also helps tremendously. / 🙂
      
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      September 23, 2022 11:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You will secure my vote if you divert some $$$$ to my family consultancy… Maggles & Co.
      
      (duck wrangling; cat minding; krochet lekchas; and trillion tree-planting are specialities… but at a push we can handle: International spying services; rocket launches; psychobabbling; drain-cleaning; geriatric nursing; and kulchural studies).
      
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      September 23, 2022 2:03pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Albert Ross – a small correction:
    
    “She is good at pretending to be pleasant and empathetic in person, particularly with sick kids and other picturesquely needy minorities….”
    
    Fixed it for ya!
    
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    September 24, 2022 8:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A Ute cut by the tide at Little Shoal Bay. At least it was not a 12 ton digger this time.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/police-investigate-ute-stuck-in-shallow-water-at-auckland-bay/ar-AA128uiq?
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September 23, 2022 9:35am
Ghost

An interesting article worth some bits from it

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129946911/more-than-a-quarter-of-public-servants-earning-more-than-100000

More than a quarter of the country’s public servants are earning $100,000 or more each year.

The increase has coincided with an increase in the number of workers, from 48,000 to 62,000 between 2017 and 2021.

Brown said some agencies had “substantial growth” in the proportion of workers earning $100,000 and more, such as the Ministry of Pacific Peoples, that increased from 29.3% to 65%.
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September 23, 2022 9:35am
- Frank the tank
  
  Pigs do like troughs
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:48am
- krazykiwi
  
  No so much interesting, more portending some kind of social collapse as the unproductive sector feasts on the productive.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:05am
- Tom Hunter
  
  You need at least a six-figure salary in this country to support a family without government welfare – preferably two such salaries.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The golden egg will disappear soon.
  
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  September 23, 2022 11:17am
- Bob
  
  public servants are earning $100,000 or ……
  public servants are being PAID $100,000 or more for attending the office!
  there fixed it for you!
  
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  September 23, 2022 11:24am
- Ra Henare
  
  Ghost. Timely. Just had lunch with an ardent/Ardern?leftie of mature years.
  
  He said that Public service increase in numbers was the same Percent as general workforce. Bit my lip and dug out the numbers Gave him the govt website info.
  
  2017-2021 Public service up 27%, General Employment down 5%.
  His reply. Lets not talk politics as I wont change my mind!!!
  
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  September 23, 2022 11:35am
  - Matt Long
    
    So he’s the 4 minute abs guy from Something About Mary
    
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    September 23, 2022 3:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s some kind of fiscal drag
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:12pm
Rusty

I almost forgot there is a rugger game on tomorrow.

I know there are more pressing issues in Nz and the world to talk about but just for a change from the doom and gloom.

Ok I’ll stick my neck out and predict the Aussies beat the ABs at Eden park ending their 28 year unbeaten
reign at that ground.

The ABs cant win their forever.
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September 23, 2022 9:55am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Rusty:
  All Blacks will win.
  Sam Whitelock, as captain, will demand it.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:54am
  - Nickc2
    
    ABs, 12+
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:56am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      ABs 25+
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:13pm
- greybeard
  
  I think the game will be ferocious, therefore lots of penalties, so the team with the better goal-kicker and positional kicker will win.
  I say Australia, by 6.
  
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  September 23, 2022 11:34am
  - Batman
    
    I think with Whitelock in charge we will show a bit more back bone. Then again I never liked Came so I am biased!
    
    NZ by less than five. Will be a great game hopefully!
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:22pm
Benedict Yu

First hand experience with the state of the hospital system yesterday.

My partner has been suffering from abdominal pain. Went for a scan. Gallstones. Gall bladder needs surgical removal.

“So you have health insurance?”

“YES”

Given the name of a surgeon. Phones him up. Surgery next week.

She asked what the wait time in the public system is. 9 to 12 months. Maybe.
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September 23, 2022 9:59am
- Ross Campbell
  
  For non urgent surgical operations the wait list at public hospitals has been spanning into years as long as I can remember.
  Nothing new here.
  That’s why people who can afford it have health insurance as your partner did.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:11am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Median wait times under National were about 3 months. Wait lists and delays have doubled or tripled under this most incompetent govt in NZ history – amazing given that we were in the midst of a vast health crisis where any govt with half a brain would have been throwing everything at expanding hospital capacity. Labour cancelled all health system KPIs wheren they came to power (to hide their incompetence, and while wastfully spending 10’s of billions through the pandemic have nonetheless delivered a slide in hospital capacity and mass exodus of health workers.
    
    https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/242e3c8c-en/1/3/4/index.html?itemId=/content/publication/242e3c8c-en&_csp_=e90031be7ce6b03025f09a0c506286b0&itemIGO=oecd&itemContentType=book
    
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    September 23, 2022 10:47am
    - Ghost
      
      I’ve yet to hear a doctor or nurse say anything positive under this govt. Orthopedic surgeon who did my relatives hip says under this got its got so bad people will die weighting for their replacement, gp was surprised relative didn’t have a heart attack from the pain he was in. Under this government the points have gone up for ops, another relative was told her cataracts won’t be done until she’s nearly blind from them, she’s had several falls because of them. Any one that thinks it’s not got worse under this government is either blind, a liar, or a govt plant
      
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      September 23, 2022 10:58am
  - Ross Campbell
    
    “Median wait times under National were about three months”
    Sorry but if you believe you would really get hip replacement surgery or other non urgent surgery in about three months under National obviously we are not talking about the same country.
    
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    September 23, 2022 11:13am
    - Ghost
      
      Actually my father had both knees and a hip done under the national governments in under 3 months each time.
      
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      September 23, 2022 11:17am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I provided reference data for my statement. You on the other hand seem to have only consulted your bumhole. Facts trump Feelz.
      
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      September 23, 2022 12:09pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      My right hip was done in under 3 months under National
      Wheres your evidence of ‘spanning into years’.
      What a liar
      
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      September 23, 2022 12:15pm
      - MCōs
        
        Three months from when?
        The first time you brought the matter to the attention of the GP?
        
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        September 23, 2022 12:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        For my father it was under 3 months from the first visit with the surgeon, about 2 weeks after the gp referral for the consultation. Under national hospitals were fined if the op wasn’t carried out within 4 months of getting on the list. Not sure if they still are.
        
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        September 23, 2022 12:47pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/466533/hospital-waiting-lists-painful-wait-for-surgery-pre-dates-covid-19-sufferers-say
      Just one of many media stories around this problem.
      But hey dismiss it as fake news if you wish.
      
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      September 23, 2022 12:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        And when this lady was in need of a hip labour was the government who had already started raising the points
        
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        September 23, 2022 12:30pm
    - Hebe123
      
      I got a colonoscopy in 3 weeks under the prev national govt. I wouldn’t have called it urgent. Also seen an endocrinologist at the hospital in 4-6 weeks. I wasn’t going to die (immediately) without the appt.
      
      My folks have had regular routine colonoscopy and endoscopy (respectively) over many years until they got “too old”.no issues.
      
      I’ve never considered paying for health insurance until recently, figuring I’m on the healthy side of the equation and can pay if I need to. Have been reconsidering recently as the cost benefit equation has shifted.
      
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      September 23, 2022 8:58pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Have you ever even once presented any evidence to support your inane dribbling? You come out with statements, never anything to support your claims.
      
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      September 24, 2022 9:01am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    That is simply untrue. The wait lists under the last government were much shorter. Perhaps you can investigate and come back with the data.
    
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    September 23, 2022 12:20pm
    - Batman
      
      He’s saying they weren’t three months, which isn’t an unfair position.
      
      For multiple procedures there were indeed some quite long waits.
      
      The difference is that National had specific targets for knee and hip Ops so the system was incentivise to provide those. That has resulted in what we see above with many baby boomers with new joints who didn’t wait long!
      
      Meanwhile, the lists for other procedures did suffer as a result of that prioritisation.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        I guess it depends how it was done. Down here the hips and knees were often done in the private hospital then patients shifted to the public hospital the day after for the public list
        
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        September 23, 2022 1:36pm
    - riffer
      
      I can remember the kerfuffle in the media under Key’s government when it was revealed that anyone on the waiting list for more than four months was to be referred back to their GP, resetting the clock.
      The four month waiting list was an exercise in PR for the government.
      
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      September 23, 2022 3:15pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Who can afford it? Tried pricing medical insurance as a 70-something with the pension as your main income?
    
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    September 23, 2022 2:23pm
- MCōs
  
  My mother needed cataract surgery on her eyes and was given a date by the public system several months in the future.
  She didn’t want to wait and figured seeing as she could afford to have the work done privately & more promptly, that’s what she’d do and someone else not so well off could have her spot at the public hospital.
  The big day came around and the doctor was crook & she was rescheduled to a date beyond her original public appointment.
  Either way it was the same doctor.
  
  From my observation chunks of our system will be privatized in the not too distant future as a money saving exercise.
  So if you want elective surgery, such as a hip replacement, there will be some sort of user payers factor that will determine your position on the pecking order.
  
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  September 23, 2022 11:06am
- Paulus
  
  Which is why you buy Health Insurance.
  Have had it for fifty yar and despite high premiums still keep it.
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:29pm
  - kevn
    
    @Paulus… Well, it can be tax deductible for some.
    
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    September 23, 2022 2:04pm
    - riffer
      
      Well that sounds like welfare to me.
      
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      September 23, 2022 3:15pm
Captain Mainwaring

Trouble at mill?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129969827/jacinda-ardern-wont-expel-russian-ambassador-despite-putins-nuclear-aggression

This is something that Mahuta was actively working on. Watch this space.
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September 23, 2022 10:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mahuta will copy what Penny Wong does.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/22/australia-may-expel-russian-ambassador-after-putins-nuclear-aggression-penny-wong-says
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    My Brother in Oz says Penny Wong is running the Country and Albanese is a yes man.
    My Brother is a sniveling socialist!
    
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    September 23, 2022 11:23am
- Paulus
  
  Nah, keep ambassador and send the two Military Attache home – hear the screams as they would be called into war !
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:30pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Wondering when the Uffindell inquiry explosion might occur. I listened to the whole release and the dogmatic use of the words “independent inquiry.” As if those words were some type of insurance. But when it came to the parroted phrase relating to events “as alleged in the media” not being upheld, I wondered about other accusations and how slow the press was in not asking that question. I also wondered about terms of reference and how easily an outcome might be manipulated.
In his general style, we now see Luxon’s “misunderstandings” about if and when Uffindell saw the report.
Faced with no objections by the plaintiff for the report to be released befits many fascinating questions as to who or what is being protected. Politically it is important that Luxon is not seen as having misjudged Uffindell but it also has its risks. Equally important for his career is the robustness of the report, now only publication of the report will answer that question.
Surely someone in National must have had the presence of mind that to knock Labour for 6 was to put the full report on the table firstly to show the terms of reference and have a robust defence of them and thus the outcome. Why not taking the higher ground to state the obvious difference in that inquiry compared to some of those by Labour? I would say there was a lot of to and froing over that point (or should have been) and it may have resulted in decisions that could appear partisan and in National’s interests.
What a great step that would have been to give the public confidence, compared to hiding the report.
One beauty in the post-release interview was that according to Luxun National personnel are “going through bullying and harrassment training.”
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September 23, 2022 10:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wouldn’t fret, Brian.
  
  I’m sure Labour will keep bringing up Sam Uffindell’s past again and again and again.
  
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  September 23, 2022 10:55am
  - MCōs
    
    I doubt it. It’s never happened before.
    
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    September 23, 2022 11:27am
  - Bob
    
    Labour want the Uffindell report released, so that they have a model for the writing of their own numerous enquiry reports; going back some years now.
    
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    September 23, 2022 11:28am
    - Ghost
      
      Na, labour are good at writing reports the covering then up
      
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      September 23, 2022 11:30am
    - Paulus
      
      But the complainent wants it released as long as she is not identified.
      Why not, she and her dad made the complaint, and would not participate except one written statement.
      Thirteen others did – will she get a List placing next election though now ?
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:34pm
WaynelSexton

If New Zealanders are from New Zealand and Maori are from Aotearoa.
Do we all become Maori when they officially change the name to Aotearoa?
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September 23, 2022 10:47am
- riffer
  
  Ehara i te whakaaro kino
  
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  September 23, 2022 3:17pm
wilderbeast

Got an email from a friend this morning who has made a complaint to the BSA on what he perceives as political bias on TV1. Not a political person as a rule, so got me thinking back to first principles about the seismic shift to the left we’ve seen in the media landscape – what’s caused it? Is it a co-ordinated political movement or something more organic? What’s the end game? For those of us Kiwi Bloggers who worry about it are we just swimming against a natural social tide or is it something more cynical and co-ordinated that those who don’t go along with it can feasibly stop?
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September 23, 2022 10:47am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  A generation of young women (majority of journos) indoctrinated to monoculturally left wing views at Uni and in their social peer groups (which women in particular generally care deeply about staying onside with, few will go against the grain).
  
  As a poorly paid profession young journos generally come from comfortable backgrounds where they can afford the poor paying career choice and discount the poor pay because they are motivated by political zeal. That again selects for nutty left wing extremists. No diversity.
  
  All right leaning and even centrist individuals in increasingly left wing media have been pushed out – left wing zealots are uncompromising and will work to exclude and marginalize anyone that doesn’t share their world views, same has happened in Academia. Institutionalised left wing cancel culture both overt and covert is very real. (See O’Sullivans 1st Law)
  
  And lastly NZ legacy media has been totally corrupted by Labour paying them – both in ‘public good’ journalism fund as well as massive hike in wasteful govt advertising – handed out to those who don’t bite the hand that feeds obviously.
  
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  September 23, 2022 12:23pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Didn’t realise the process happening before our eyes had a name – interesting! Agree to re the weaponisation / radicalisation of women. Our every family Xmas dinner in recent memory has been ruined by my older sister, who somehow brings the conversation around to Trump, climate change or whatever else is triggering her at the time. #mucheyerolling
    
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    September 23, 2022 4:59pm
Maggie Pie

ALJAZ reporting that Poland has started issuing Iodine Pills to it’s citizens in preparation for radioactive exposure.

Sounds like they’re expecting the shit to hit the fan 🙁
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September 23, 2022 11:23am
All_on_Red

Oops. Obama is storing Classified Documents in an old Furniture shop.
At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding his basement!
‘The Obama Foundation stored classified documents in an abandoned furniture warehouse, according to a 2018 letter from the Obama Foundation to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA).’
‘The letter…reveals that the Obama Foundation not only acknowledged possessing classified documents but also admitted that they kept them in a facility that did not meet NARA standards for the storage of those documents.’
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/09/22/letter-reveals-obama-foundation-is-keeping-classified-docs-in-abandoned-furniture-warehouse-n1631408

One standard for me but not for thee.
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September 23, 2022 11:29am
- Batman
  
  Bahaha shit that’s a low bow to draw.
  
  Now, what classification level are we talking about? What process was followed? We’re the docs returned or hidden?
  
  The classified docs are the least of the Trump Crime Family’s worries this week… Though the court proceedings are going extremely poorly I note 😂
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

World Vision aid workers, UN workers sexually abusing refugees over the last 5 years in South Sudan.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/longform/2022/9/22/sex-abuse-allegations-against-aid-workers-in-south-sudan-un-camp
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September 23, 2022 11:34am
- Ghost
  
  There seems to be so many cases of UN involved woman and child trafficking, rape etc over the years, it’s disgusting
  
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  September 23, 2022 12:06pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Makes you think that there’s a certain type of pervert that signs up for any gig where there are vulnerable people.
    
    Previous gigs include the Scouts, Boarding schools and state children’s institutions.
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:18pm
    - Ross Campbell
      
      You forgot churches.
      
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      September 23, 2022 2:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  UN workers use the UN as a cover for abuse and trafficking. Sexual abuse is just a bonus for them.
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:19pm
- Swifty
  
  I wonder of the ethnicity of the abusers?
  
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  September 23, 2022 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

Sometimes I really despair for others 🙁

Is this the level of intelligence we should expect from $tuffeds …. ‘Health-Reporter’?

https://twitter.com/hellohannahm/status/1572765792567164934
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September 23, 2022 11:38am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Those were the days. Who remembers those signing in/scanning processes? Only 12 months ago.
  Don’t forget the madness folks.
  
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  September 23, 2022 12:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Never scanned. When asked/told to sign in it was ‘Donald Duck, Hollywood’
    When asked for a contact number, just told them ducks don’t have phones! Yes, it really happened, the Covid Police took the whole thing as super serious.
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:25pm
Ra Henare

Just read this

Two Bombings in One Night? That’s Normal Now in Sweden.
My country just voted in a right-wing government. The almost 500 bombings since 2018 may have something to do with it.

Does that apply to NZ and Ram Raids?
We get a right-wing Govt. That would be an ACT government I suppose.
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September 23, 2022 11:42am
Tauhei Notts

I follow the odds on the USA presidential election.
Over the past 17 weeks;
Trump eased from $3.50 to $4.33
Biden eased from $5.50 to $6.00
De Santis in from $7.00 to $4.50.
Biden had touched $7.00 four weeks ago, but there has been some support for him since then.
Note how close De Santis has got to Trump, in the odds.
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September 23, 2022 11:44am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The US and world do not need another octogenarian president. Trump would be 78 if elected, and that is just too old.
  
  De Santis is a good bet – has shown himself to be a very smart and capable operator.
  
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  September 23, 2022 12:28pm
  - MCōs
    
    Auckland’s in line to have an octogenarian mayor.
    
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    September 23, 2022 12:49pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Surely that would be preferable to a polygenarian one?
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:09pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      As long as he’s not another socialist.
      
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      September 23, 2022 1:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Look at the lineup of the Dems for age. Schumer 71, Feinstein 89! Pelosi 82, Waters 83,
    The elite left are all death dodgers. Yes there are career politicians in the Republicans as well.
    At least Trump still has his marbles. He will win in a yuge landslide in 2024. Why are the left doing everything to stop him?
    Trump Train 2024
    
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    September 23, 2022 1:38pm
All_on_Red

There has been comment in the Media that Putin is threatening the West with Nukes. Its actually more nuanced than that.
‘Putin emphatically did not say that the Russian nuclear umbrella would cover annexed areas of Ukraine nor did he tie mobilization to the annexation. He addressed partial mobilization, annexation referenda in Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine, and the possibility of nuclear war in his speech—but as separate topics rather than a coherent whole. The fact that he mentioned all three topics in a single speech was clearly meant to suggest a linkage, but he went out of his way to avoid making any such linkage explicit.

Putin framed his comments about the possibility of Russian nuclear weapons use in the context of supposed Western threats to use nuclear weapons against Russia. He claimed that Western officials were talking about “the possibility and permissibility of using weapons of mass destruction—nuclear weapons—against Russia.” He continued, “I wish to remind those who allow themselves such statements about Russia that our country also has various means of attack…” His comment on this topic concludes by noting that Russia would use all means at its disposal in response to a threat to “the territorial integrity of our country, for the defense of Russia and our people.” That comment could be interpreted as applying in advance to the soon-to-be annexed areas of occupied Ukraine, but its placement in the speech and context do not by any means make such an interpretation obvious. Nor is Putin’s language in making this comment different from formal Kremlin policy or from previous statements by Russian officials. Putin’s speech should not be read as an explicit threat that Russia would use nuclear weapons against Ukraine if Ukraine continues counter-offensives against occupied territories after annexation.’
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-21
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September 23, 2022 12:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Media conjecture
  
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  September 23, 2022 1:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ardern’s administration was “the worst Government since Muldoon”, a chief executive said in the NZ Herald survey.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/jacinda-ardern-grant-robertson-blasted-by-business-leaders-in-ceo-survey.html

I suspect that Chief executive wasn’t in business during the Muldoon era… I’d rate Ardern’s administration and delivery of outputs far below that of Muldoon”s Governments.
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September 23, 2022 1:15pm
Surely Knott

Auckland Libraries no longer have the NZ Herald available for remote access “due to publisher restrictions”.

While I can understand on one hand that the Herald want to make money by not giving it away….. but on the other hand that applies to all content at the library that becomes available for borrowing. And as the Herald typically run a socialist line, about equality and poverty and social caring, in their papers and yet they boycott the library, which provides access to information and education to all people rich or poor, so they can go for the bigger dollars.

I mean isn’t that the point of a library to make it available for everyone so information is accessible and free to those who can’t afford it. And who are the people most likely to download the paper from the library probably pensioners and students and the cash poor.

The Library makes available numerous other international newspapers that’s content is behind a paywall. So why is the Herald our own national newspaper not available. You can read the paper hard copy at the library so why not remotely.

And finally the government pays big dollars to the Herald both directly through grants and as their biggest advertiser. Shouldn’t the governments funding be even more of a reason it should be available through the library service to the public.
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September 23, 2022 1:58pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Try with a VPN. You might find that you can get access with a non Akld IP address.
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:28pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s not just the herald, stuff have removed their papers from all libraries press reader as well
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Letitia James has Trump in the crosshairs. She has said for a while that she is out to get him. Then along came Jones (Bill Barr really – who is a RINO) It is really desperate when she brings the Trump Family into it.
Now there is an act of desperation from James. Seems to be destroying her career like Liz Cheney did.
TDS has consumed Letitia James, and in the end she will pay the price – no job.
https://libertyonenews.com/bill-barr-ny-ag-letitia-james-lawsuit-against-trump-is-a-political-hit-job/?
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September 23, 2022 3:21pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH

Even in court, Alex Jones is Alex Jones….

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1573044513341206528

As far as Judges go, I far prefer Judge Judy 😀
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September 23, 2022 3:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Again, the American left don’t give a shit about the Military – yet give billions away. I have seen Veterans who get nothing for defending the USA. They are treated like shit, even the injured and severely injured. Food funding? Not in America.
https://redrightnewsfeed.com/biden-administration-betrays-military-gives-food-funding-elsewhere/
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September 23, 2022 4:03pm
- MCōs
  
  Regardless of the how the military treats it’s veterans over there when when was the last time were they involved in ‘defending the USA’?
  They spend 10%+ of their budget on defence.
  
  This article has some interesting info on military budgets of some of the world’s big spenders.
  https://executivegov.com/articles/u-s-defense-budget-2022-how-much-does-the-united-states-spend-on-its-defense-budget
  
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  September 23, 2022 5:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When in the Military you do as you are told.
    The point I was making was the injured Vets are badly treated – I have seen it in Hawaii and Alaska.
    One guy in Hawaii lost both legs, he did not even have a wheelchair. His whole life was ruined. Moved about on his arms and hands. The VA was treating him real bad. We shouted him a meal.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:07am
Maggie Pie

“Let’s maorify Auckland. Under my mayoral leadership, we will be calling it Tamaki Makaurau Auckland”

– Efeso Fa’anana Collins (TE AO Maori News. 22
Sept, 2022)

WTF….is ‘maorify’ even a word?
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September 23, 2022 4:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Taa mucky muck around ouch
  
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  September 23, 2022 4:43pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Tamaki Makaurau Auckland”
  
  Yes that will catch on 🙄
  
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  September 23, 2022 5:09pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    It needs a few more syllables.
    
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    September 23, 2022 5:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  .is ‘maorify’ even a word?
  
  Yep,
  
  been in print.. (as a past participle – Maorified) since at least 1868.
  
  (Orsman: DNZEnglish, p.478)
  
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  September 23, 2022 5:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In the engineering trade, ‘maorified’ means to make something work in the cheapest, nastiest way. When it breaks again – “this thing has been maorfied’
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:10am
- graham
  
  Mr Collins is welcome to refer to Auckland as Tamaki Makaurau Auckland.
  
  And I will continue to refer to Auckland as Auckland.
  
  I’m actually not too sure what he means when he says “WE will be calling it Tamaki Makaurau Auckland” … who is this “WE” of whom he speaks? I certainly won’t be, so I guess I’ve just opted out of his “WE” in the same way that I opted out of “the Team of Five Million” a long time ago (along with many other people).
  
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  September 23, 2022 5:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “What do you mean “we”, Brown Man?”
    
    – The Sloane Ranger 😛
    
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    September 23, 2022 7:18pm
Ghost

Ummmm, when fake boobs also count as a fake pregnancy ?

https://twitter.com/Jpjm1964/status/1571807804649836544
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September 23, 2022 4:30pm
- kevn
  
  @Ghost… Twins?
  
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  September 23, 2022 6:33pm
  - Ghost
    
    I’d agree
    
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    September 23, 2022 6:43pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just showing me a News Release from the NRA.
According to their latest study, Legal-Gun-Owners in the US have more than 415 million guns.

As he said…. “If they were the problem, you’d know about it”.
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September 23, 2022 5:01pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  They are effectively the world’s biggest army.
  
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  September 23, 2022 5:58pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is an American with a gun behind every blade of grass. That’s why they have never been invaded.
    
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    September 24, 2022 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  America has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.
  
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  September 24, 2022 9:13am
Benedict Yu

Just as I predicted yesterday.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/300696578/air-nz-flight-from-new-york-diverted-to-fiji-due-to-unusually-strong-winds
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September 23, 2022 5:06pm
Hugh Jarse

In regard to the students climate “strike” today, I presume that those striking will all be walking, cycling or in the bus on Tuesday as these measures are all within their own hands ?. I hope parents of the strikers enforce these measures to reduce the global warming that is so concerning to their children. Instead of encouraging more strikes maybe James P Shaw could advocate this more positive action ?
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September 23, 2022 5:19pm
- Ghost
  
  There was a student strike today? Must of missed my town.
  
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  September 23, 2022 5:24pm
  - greybeard
    
    Must HAVE missed my town. Come on Ghost, strive for excellence !
    
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    September 23, 2022 6:02pm
septic skeptic

Chris Luxon on The Platform:
https://youtu.be/h74O2c6exig

My take? Sean fed him some easy questions, but IF Luxon is a right winger he is too scared to say so. Jacinda minus the hair? No doubt a much better manager.
95% of the people posting here should be voting ACT, IMO. I will be.
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September 23, 2022 5:20pm
igm

Who gives a stuff about the Wallabies insulting the haka? Bloody thing, along with the treaty, are past their use by dates. They are, in fact a hindrance to New Zealand overall.
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September 23, 2022 5:34pm
- Ghost
  
  How is the haka a hindrance to New Zealand?
  
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  September 23, 2022 5:38pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I might well be wrong, but my impression is that opposition teams usually start games better than the ABs. Especially in the context of what may be 30 point margins our way by full time.
    My guess is that the guys are too focused on performing a great haka in front of the big crowd.
    
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    September 23, 2022 5:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      I was listening to talk back today where the host was talking about a comment Jonah Lomu made that sometimes you go onto the field with no energy because you’ve played so many games, then he would do the haka and that would give him the energy to play that game.
      
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      September 23, 2022 5:46pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        With all due respect tocthe great man, he played on the wing. Never had to secure the kickoff, hit the first ruck or clear to touch!
        
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        September 23, 2022 6:07pm
Inandout

Oh Joe, give up now before you completely lose your mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m05Z-JeVfI
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September 23, 2022 5:45pm
greybeard

I have just been watching a bit of Prime News on TV3.
( Yes, really ).
An article about the 3 main contenders for being Wellington Mayor.

Two things immediately stood out for me:
1: Paul Eagle is totally self-obsessed. Maybe delusional.

2: Tory Whanau “in the flesh” looks NOTHING like her photos on her advertisements and brochures, etc.
In fact this one reminded me of those extremely photo-shopped advertisements years ago for Kapiti Coast’s ex-mayor Jenny Rowan and NZ’s very own PM Helen Clark.
There should be penalties for misleading people with these crap images.
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September 23, 2022 6:00pm
- Steve Todd
  
  There should be penalties for misleading people with these crap images.
  
  Fortunately, no society in history has ever succeeded in stopping women from being women, you silly old fool.
  
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  September 23, 2022 7:14pm
  - Ghost
    
    Oh I don’t know, the trans movement is coming close to banning woman from being woman.
    
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    September 23, 2022 7:21pm
  - greybeard
    
    Hey ! Enough of the “old” !
    
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    September 23, 2022 9:34pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Had you stopped at “etc.”, I would have let your comment slide by.
      
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      September 23, 2022 9:48pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Tory Whanau also sounded totally self-obsessed
  
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  September 23, 2022 9:36pm
graham

Just had a glance at the local rag “Rodney Times” which is a Stuff publication. I see they’re still desperately spruiking their “Fire and Fury” investigation into who is driving – and I quote –

… a violent, misinformed New Zealand.

They worry about death threats – “How did it come to this?” they wail – but strangely, no mention is made of the recent death threats made against Simeon Brown, or for that matter John Key. Instead, the implication is that it’s the Wellington protests which have notched things up a level. Funny, that.

Ah well … at least I can save the paper and use it to light my fire next winter – which is the most honest and practical use it will ever see.
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September 23, 2022 6:49pm
- Ghost
  
  Let’s remember the sort of stuff that Sir John Key had to put up with without the outcry of the media
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rude-rant-goes-to-air/JVRPFTFMOZ5DLX6UHOL4GKNTKQ/
  
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  September 23, 2022 6:59pm
Scooter

Media asking the tough questions yet again, some girl reporter asking Jacinda who was the best dressed at the POTUS reception. I find this ridiculous and just shows the level NZ’s media is at, Cindy is the last person to judge who is dressed the best.
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September 23, 2022 7:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Stunning stupidity isn’t it.
  
  Russia mobilising etc and that’s what they come up with !
  
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  September 24, 2022 12:53pm
Ghost

Hmm, had a Talbot Mills survey about election funding, three options

1 per-vote funding. After an election, parties get $20 each vote up to a certain threshold (eg 10% of the votes cast) and $1 for each subsequent vote

2 tax credits. When you make a donation to a political party, the party notifies Inland Revenue, and Inland Revenue refunds you three quarters of the cost (the party being donated to still gets the full amount). The maximum refund you can get is $300

3 Democracy vouchers. at the start of each election year, every enrolled voter is sent a voucher worth, say $20, Which they can spend by giving it to the political party of their choice.
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September 23, 2022 8:28pm
Ghost

Behind a paywall but the government of strikes could have another strike

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/oranga-tamariki-staff-consider-striking/ABX2V335X55ISSQ24XFKFGSL6M/

Oranga Tamariki staff consider striking

The Ministry for Children, Oranga Tamariki, is in the firing line again – this time from staff. Employees (PSA) are considering striking over pay, workload and cultural issues.
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