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Warren

Labour considering axing iconic election walkabout as Grant Robertson reveals details of abuse.
While Grant Robertson and the Labour Government are using smears on the National Party Leader Chris Luxon over the Sam Uffindell bullying report they are crying wolf over the threats they are receiving from some in the public.
Really what do they expect when a Senior Cabinet Minister made comments on the those protesting mandates by referring to them as the river of filth.
Then you have our Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern in her speech at Harvard also making a derogatory about those in New Zealand that didn’t agree with her , so really isn’t this the pot calling the kettle.
If you want to play games with the taxpayer make sure the message you send is not labeled at those you have continually upset with mandates, loss of jobs and threats at the people you used in the “Team Of 5 Million” and then discarded them when they weren’t needed anymore.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/labour-considering-axing-iconic-election-walkabout-as-grant-robertson-reveals-details-of-abuse.html
It seems to be alright for the Labour Party to lie and threaten the public at will with the media only to willing to help but the moment they retaliate it all the publics fault never those that smear and discredit others to help there own cause, and Grant Robertson is a master at the game with blaming others.
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September 21, 2022 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I suspect some Of our Government MPs won’t want to turn up to Waitangi this coming February.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:52am
  - Bob
    
    They will!; it is a essential photoshhot for the next election
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:28am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      Bob I don’t think they will get a welcome reception from anyone up there based on what I am hearing from locals.
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:10am
  - Tricati
    
    Especially if there has been a sale on dildo’s.
    Maybe Robertson could accept his governments policies are not liked, especially those that look to re-write democracy and heavily tax people for hard work. Maybe they will reap what they have sown.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:51am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Maybe they will reap what they have sown.”
      
      They will go down in a hail of dildos? 🙂
      
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      September 21, 2022 12:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    While we’re discussing Waitangi and Maori reaction to political parties …
    
    Richard Prebble (fenced off by the Herald by its pay wall) wants Luxon to rule out any coalition with the Maori Party. Here he is on Luxon:
    
    He has united the poisonous National caucus. He correctly picked inflation as the number one issue. Yet he still trails Jacinda Ardern – and National could lose.
    
    The reason defeat is possible is because Luxon will not rule out National forming a coalition with the Maori Party. If the Maori Party is a suitable coalition partner for National, then it follows that the Maori Party is a suitable partner for Labour.
    
    Coalitions are the soul of MMP. Should any be ruled out before an election?
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:24am
    - MikeMan
      
      Yes they should.
      
      No one would want a Greens/National coalition and I doubt many want a National/Maori coalition with the current crowd in that party either.
      
      Ruling them out shows backbone and some principle other than “I want to be PM at any cost”
      
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      September 21, 2022 11:52am
    - nathie
      
      If National make good their plan to stand candidates in the Maori electorates (and put in candidates with a good track record and resource them well) and aim to win …. then there will be no Maori Party anyway (or no Labour Maori electorate MP’s – what a bonus)!
      
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      September 21, 2022 12:24pm
      - artemisia
        
        Suggest National is making a play for the more important party vote in the Maori seats. And at the same time listening to the issues of voters in those seats.
        
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        September 21, 2022 4:33pm
    - Sideoiler
      
      …..Coalitions are the soul of MMP. Should any be ruled out before an election?
      
      Why not? he has ruled out ACT holding the finance portfolio.
      When it comes to the maori party he should definitely rule them out, but he won’t Luxon is weak and won’t want to be called racist.
      The upside is more seats for ACT.
      
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      September 21, 2022 12:38pm
    - igm
      
      Nothing should be ruled out to remove these corrupt bastards from power.
      
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      September 21, 2022 4:02pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Rule out Winston
      
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      September 21, 2022 8:16pm
- Opie
  
  Well well. It seems you reap what you sow.
  
  When you treat people like shit, destroy their families and livelihoods, this is what you get. I’m suprised they were going to throw lamingtons at him. That’s probably something he could deal to.
  
  So now we have labour saying they won’t be doing public walkabouts next year because people say mean things to them. Well yea, they are upset at what you have done to the country and now when its time to get amongst it and see what the voters think, they go into hiding.
  
  Next it will be too dangerous to hold an election.
  
  Labour, not giving a fuck about regular kiwis since forever.
  
  The arrogance of this is incredible.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:58am
  - Taieri
    
    Next it will be too dangerous to hold an election.
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    There’s no need for an election. Dr Ardern is an excellent Prime Minister, and her team is also of an unparalleled quality. The very best, all of them.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:10am
    - I remember when
      
      Yes the vary best!
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:44am
    - Ehlana
      
      I agree with the unparalleled quality bit. I don’t think we’ve had a government of this “quality” for a long time, if ever.
      
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      September 21, 2022 1:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Online Election.
    “Recent studies have shown blah blah blag, so yes! Labour wins the Election again”
    That is 7 terms in a row now///
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “That’s exactly what it is so yip, yip……..”
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:33am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Labour, not giving a fuck about regular kiwis since forever. The arrogance of this is incredible.”
    
    You are a bigoted relic of the past if you are not onboard with clown-world newthink. Get with the programme or be locked out of society.
    
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    September 21, 2022 1:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes Sir! But where are all the upticks for you?
      
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      September 21, 2022 6:00pm
- nathie
  
  One wonders how Robertson could be so out of touch with reality (unlikely) or he has another agenda (more likely) …. it seems most protests that Labour faced were “anti-covid measures” related but now that Labour have eased most restrictions I can’t see many such protests against Labour again, so what gives?
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:14am
  - Hebe123
    
    People are still rightfully angry with how this govt treated people. I for one won’t forget being included in the River of Filth and losing my work and friends.
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:15am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      They called my sons and many of my friends a river of filth and now they want me to be nice to them . Sorry labour I think you do need your extra secret policemen.
      
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      September 21, 2022 12:07pm
- rouppe
  
  What they’re failing to ask themselves is why there is more abuse…
  
  It’s not “right wing extremism”, it’s anger over the growing mess they are making of this country
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:20am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Ah yes the right wing extremism boogeyman. Lewis Carroll said it well:
    
    “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.”
    “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
    “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that’s all.”
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:51am
- pdm
  
  I just saw a photo of that pink Lamington Cake.
  
  Had Megan Woods been with Robbo they would probably have confiscated it and scoffed it.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:22am
  - greybeard
    
    Just saw an ad on TV about the return of “The Teletubbies”.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:59am
- Simon
  
  Labour in 2020: Dont worry no one will be forced to take the jaxx. Everyone knows it will be a pandemic of the unvaxxed.
  
  Labour 2021: You must inject that unsafe useless garbage. The unjaxxed will be classified as second class.
  
  Labour 2022: Why are so many upset??
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:24am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Simon agreed but also constantly accusing the majority of being racist, sexist, homophobic colonialists , white supremacists and on and on zzzzz.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:31am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Plays well to the hate filled misanthropes of the left. Tribal ‘othering’ and denegation to justify any and all persecution of the dissenters.
      
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      September 21, 2022 11:54am
- Harry Knuts
  
  Labour set the draconian rules, lockdowns and mandates for Covid era. Now they are wondering why no one likes them anymore.
  Labour divided a nation whether that was their ultimate intention or not.
  Robbo – you make your bed you lie in it.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No Election walkabout?
  Robertson is a wimp having a sook. He can dish shit out, but he can’t take it – coward.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:25am
- herb1
  
  Probably an attempt to brand Ardennes non appearance in public more a concern for her safety,than the truth being her unpopularity.
  They know that any media coverage of her being treated by the public in any way but Royal adulation is not good for their re election chances.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:30am
- alex Masterley
  
  Whats that word Helen Clark used?
  Diddums?
  Suits Robertson.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:37am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Robbo and co are finding out the meaning of the old saying that a government should be afraid of the people not the people afraid of the government. They’ve had their brief period of frightening the people now they are feeling the burn. Can anyone remember another NZ government whose ministers were afraid to walk the streets? They sowed the wind now they can reap the whirlwind. Call an election.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:26am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    They are the most divisive and dodgy govt in NZ’s history IMHO. And they want adoration??? Pffft.
    
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    September 21, 2022 2:23pm
- redeye
  
  Matthew Hooton tweeting this morning;-
  “In the 1990s, Grant Robertson led organisations that regularly threatened the safety of MPs, including effigy burning and so forth.”
  https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/1572304350206361600
  
  Labour now rebranding to The Aotearoa Hypocrisy Party.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:27am
  - RF
    
    Ha ha the worm has turned.
    
    Effigy burning, spitting at returned servicemen, anti Police, Bankrupting our beautiful country.
    
    We are soooo lucky.
    
    Time to move with others to the lucky country.
    
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    September 21, 2022 2:05pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I’ve considered leaving and abandoned the idea. I emigrated here in 1994 with babes in arms and have struggled and worked hard to achieve what my wife and I have thus far. We arrived here with $600 and a job and have carved out a life . I am not going to stand by and allow a gaggle of student activists, shadowy globalists and tragic post modernist arse holes rob me of everything we have worked for. No! I didn’t cross the world to have sad arse wankers who I suspect suffer from a unique antipodean sense of inadequacy ruin my life. The truth is the country and its people are great, unfortunately it’s government are at present a collection of naive activists drenched in radical left wing nonsense who are IMHO are concerned more with their overseas reputations in the woke social circles than they are in performing their duties to the people who pay their wages. God defend New Zealand. At present that is unfortunately a pray to save us from our own government. No I won’t leave I ll stay and fight.
      
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      September 21, 2022 3:49pm
- Philview
  
  I recall in the aftermath of the Christchurch earthquakes left wing activists were quickly on the ground whipping up discontent. Some suburbs were no go areas for John Key because of fears for his safety from people not geology. Labour and media friends then blasted Key for not going into these suburbs. Key acted on police advice that they didn’t have the manpower to protect him and deal with the earthquake.
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:04am
  - Tricati
    
    Correct – and the main agitators were Megan Woods and Duncan Webb. Webb got into government on the back of his promises over property repairs and did sweet FA when he got elected.
    
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    September 21, 2022 12:36pm
- peterwn
  
  So he is having a similar problem to what National and ACT have had to put up for years. For example in 2008 John Key did a pre-election walk around at Wellington Station at 8am as commuters were passing through. Location was kept secret until the last minute so left wingers and other protesters had no time to muster.
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:05am
- Caine9
  
  Its a series of chickens coming home to roost. Ignoring the public and riding roughshod over any dissenting opinion, ably supported by a paid-for media who grudgingly make only occasional reference to alternative views all have conseuences.
  The reality is that the public know better than the crap we’re being fed and the media’s refusal to behave like a free Fourth Estate should, has those with less self-control busting out with this kind of behaviour. Not to be condoned, but inevitable.
  Until the mainstream media have the guts and/or desire to be honest, this will continue.
  People sooner or later get sick of hearing only from government mouthpieces.
  Welcome to USSAotearoa.
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:34am
- Ra Henare
  
  Why do ‘People” refer to NZs 2 major parties as Socialist. ie Labour and Labour Lite.
  
  Surely they are both facist?
  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4RrfvmKjbCE
  
  Which leads me to, what the hell does left and right mean in modern politics?
  
  Reading the media it would appear that right is bad and left is never mentioned?
  
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  September 21, 2022 2:01pm
- Alex
  
  Yeah, and his side kick Cindy tells the British Public on BBC that we will be a Republic in her lifetime. Poor Queenie not even buried. I had Brits ringing me with complaints.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:25pm
peterwn

So the media is still piling on about King Charles III being irritated about a pen not working when signing constitutional papers. If I was in his shoes I would be irritated too and would feel like sending the responsible person off to the Tower for a few days. He got thrown into the job at the deep end and there were all sorts of expectations and thing he had to attend to, especially one off tasks in getting a new reign off the ground. He has every right to expect those supporting him to get things right especially when millions are watching on TV. Predictions of hew his reign should go should not be coloured by one incident. The Media should get a life.
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September 21, 2022 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He has been under a lot of pressure so I don’t blame him for his actions. I think it happened twice.
  Now it is all over them man needs a rest – physically and mentally.
  Get a bottle of your best and find a bed Charlieboy.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:31am
- Cassandra
  
  Including f John Roughan who uses any minor thing like this to support his Republican bigotry. Nobody likes ink over their fingers, John. Perhaps you do? If I was even the Maori non-King I’d expect the staff to get me a working pen! Next waiter who spills red wine over Roughan’s white shirt should remind him that it’s not a problem.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:37am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “Republican bigotry”? If you think someone having a different opinion to you on who our head of state should be makes them a bigot, you don’t understand the meaning of the word.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:12am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, he should have screamed out “Get me a Biro FFS”.
  I think he would have hot a lot more sympathy for that eh?
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What is wrong with a sharpie? They don’t leak – Trump uses them and gives them away. A collectors item – serious, they are
    
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    September 21, 2022 6:05pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sharon Murdoch at her pathetic anti-Luxon best this morning.
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September 21, 2022 8:05am
- igm
  
  What would you expect from a crap cleaner?
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  And a bigly story pushing republicanism.
  
  And then this;
  
  ‘Reserve Bank governor Adrian Orr says the bank will be increasing the number of conversations it has about climate change over the coming year.’
  
  They can’t control inflation , which they created , how the hell do they think they can control the weather.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:19am
  - Prince
    
    Orr will want to talk about anything but the $9 Billion he lost the NZ taxpayers recently.
    Same with Robertson.
    Not that any journalist would bother asking anyway.
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2022/09/15/the-9-billion-dollar-man/
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:00am
  - Cassandra
    
    Easy, you talk about it. “Conversation” my foot!
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Reserve Bank – Climate Change.
    Councils – Anything except Water, Sewerage, Rubbish and Roads.
    There is a pattern here, not doing the core thing they should do.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Keep an eye on this. It’s the stage two in the “Green New Deal.” Covid was Act 1. Decimate small businesses and economies. Get people used to austerity, lockdowns, going without.
    
    How Green Finance is Monopolizing the Planet with Whitney Webb
    
    Webb and Corbett break down the latest attempt to monopolize the world’s natural resources and how this financial scam represents the next step along the path to the Great Reset, Agenda 2030 and the 4th Industrial Revolution.
    
    You vill own nothing, you vill eat ze bugz and you vill be happy…..best “conspiracy theory” yet.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:40am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Apologies for not posting the link.
      
      https://archive.org/details/webb-climate
      
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      September 21, 2022 9:55am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Sorry clan down ticked due to idiocy and big fingers and little phone
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:36am
- nathie
  
  Interesting, Murkdoch misleads readers by implying the independent QC (now KC) didn’t do her job impartially and then implies Luxon is a Kings College type bully by roughing up his MP.
  
  Murdoch has smeared two people sanctioned by Stuff, is it time for Murdoch’s “victims” to take legal action against them?
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:27am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Complain to the Media Council
    In fact set up a page where we can download/or complete a complaint and we will send it too.
    ‘Make them play by their own Rules- they accept complaints? Send them 30,000’
    Saul Alinsky
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:12am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Do I have this correct?
    
    Sam Uffindell acted like a total fool as a school boy decades ago. There is no evidence that hwe has maintained that behaviour. Indeed quite the opposite. And independent inquiry confirms this. Yet the media continues to tear him to pieces.
    
    Meanwhile…..
    
    Meka Whaitiri assaults a staff member. Gets sent to the naughty corner but reinstated.
    
    Trevor Mallard (reportedly) punches a fellow MP, and calls some innocent guy a rapist, and gets a reward of a diplomatic post.
    
    Labour MP Anna Lorck gets accused of bullying, denies it all, and then we find she has been sent off to a ‘leadership course’ :_)
    
    Do I have all that correct? If so some might say that the New Zealand media is somewhat biased against the National Party.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:06am
    - Ghost
      
      No, you’ve forgotten what they did to Louisa Wall
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:08am
      - gravedodger
        
        And Gaurav Sharma, perhaps others yet to become emboldened to raise concerns, there will be others?
        
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        September 21, 2022 11:30am
    - Nickc2
      
      ‘SOMEWHAT BIASED’
      That’d be an under statement Benedict.
      PS: Sorry, I forgot they’ve been paid to be like that.
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:16am
    - MCōs
      
      All those Labour people plus Woodhouse with the toilet seat are constantly reminded of their indiscretions too.
      So will Mister U.
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You’ve missed out the bullying and aggressive senior staffer in Ardern’s office.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115758406/staffer-at-centre-of-labour-abuse-claims-have-resigned
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:56am
    - peterwn
      
      Trevor did NOT punch a fellow MP. As far as I remember he hit the fellow MP very lightly with a folder. The ‘victim’ took it in good heart did not make a fuss. It was only some busybody who duped a judge to agree to a private prosecution that put it in the news big time. I think judges are now more careful with signing off private prosecutions and would generally expect to see a complaint by the victim.
      
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      September 21, 2022 12:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        Mallard punched Henare last month after the National MP had made a remark in the debating chamber about the minister’s private life.
        
        Hide said he was disappointed by Wilson’s response.
        
        “It is difficult to imagine what constitutes a breach of privilege if punching an MP in the head does not,” he said.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/mallard-apologises-to-parliament-for-punchup-2007110615
        
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        September 21, 2022 12:45pm
      - Peter S
        
        Two different incidents.
        
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        September 21, 2022 1:06pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        As I remember it, there were two separate clashes between Mallard and Henare, the folder one, and a later one where Mallard punched Henare after Henare had chipped Mallard about personal matters.
        
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        September 21, 2022 3:33pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Accountability (even for things you didn’t do) is only for the non-woke.
      
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      September 21, 2022 2:27pm
Yabster

nice summary for those voting in the Local Body elections:- Pass the link on.

https://www.howtovote.nz/
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September 21, 2022 8:06am
- RoboRob
  
  Dangerous and misleading. If I made my voting decisions based on the data here I could vote for people that actually believe the opposite. It would be useful if the respondents answered the questions accurately but they haven’t and that makes it dangerous.
  
  For example ‘Yani Johanson’ says, opposes rate rises and doesn’t want to ‘discourage use of private motor vehicles’. His voting history and public statements would suggest that those are at best ‘misleading’. I would add that Yani is a member of ‘People’s Choice’ which is the Christchurch wing of the labour party.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:00am
  - Yabster
    
    its hardly dangerous- its at least a starting point to local body members ‘leanings”- agree it would be also useful to see what group they belong to ie Peoples choice” aka Labour.
    
    You and I may research candiadates- but most won’t- the site is a good base.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:35am
    - RoboRob
      
      Hi Yab, thats why I think it is dangerous. I cant be assed researching the candidates so I went to that link as a guide of who to vote for. It is only by chance I noticed that Yani was being promoted as someone who has similar veiws to me. If I had not known better I might have voted for Yani.
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Taxpayer’s Union. I printed it out for our household to an idea about people we don’t even know.
  Best to mark possibles and then research each one individually.
  Got to admit there are some crazies in there, but hey, we are in the middle of Socialist Reform
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:48am
  - jon
    
    To me its simple, if your local council voted for the establishment of Maori wards, dont vote for the reelection of any of the incumbent councillors, because the chances are they either supported the measure or were just too scared to vote against it.
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:10am
Simon

National calls for Commission of Inquiry into govt response to covid 19.

It wasn’t perfect claims National. For eg the government didn’t go house to house bullying the unvaxxed to take the clot shot. Need to get to the bottom of this.
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September 21, 2022 8:07am
- artemisia
  
  The government will push hard that Opposition parties agreed with them. The government appears to forget that they are, well, the government.
  
  Then there was the closedown of the Epidemic Response Committee, coincidentally chaired by Simon Bridges….
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Over half of NZ’s Children in Poverty are Pakeha, but the emphasis in our news media seems to be focused elsewhere.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lidsay-mitchell-on-child-poverty-racism-and-colonisation
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September 21, 2022 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Why doesn’t middle-class NZ care about child poverty?”
  They are too busy working their arses off to just survive. It is real tough for some. I do remember having 3 jobs just to get my mortgage deposit.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:55am
Frank the tank

I see we now need a security detail over the threat of lamingtons being thrown.

I’m guessing there wouldn’t be a problem if the threat was sausage rolls.
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September 21, 2022 8:08am
- Harry Knuts
  
  or pies
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dang! You beat me
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:56am
    - edhunter
      
      If my memory is correct, at the time it was hilarious when a dildo hit Steven Joyce in the face, so hilarious it went viral around the world. Oh how the left laughed.
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:39am
      - david
        
        And oh how they laughed when Don Brash copped a face full of mud.
        “They could not lie straight in bed” was a quote often used by my father – most applicable to the current lot.
        I just cannot comprehend the state of mind of a group who can express such dishonesty and hypocrisy and give the appearance of believing their disgusting rhetoric.
        
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        September 21, 2022 11:26am
- Bob
  
  Standby for an ‘order in Council’ to ban the production of Lamingtons.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:30am
  - dubya
    
    Just a ban on the pink ones. Brown ones to get extra voting rights and healthcare privileges.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There will then be a black market//
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:57am
- kowtow
  
  The Media Pardy have such fun about conservative white males being hit with demeaning , insulting and potentially harmful itmes such as “sex’ toys.
  
  Now they change their tune when their masters are the potential victim of political violence .
  
  Disgusting river of filth , hypocrites .
  
  ( no violence is justified , just to be clear ,to anyone , under our constitutional arrangements)
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:14am
  - david
    
    Aren’t you pushing it just a little bit to classify a lamington as violence. Hardly assault with a weapon surely.
    The use of eggs and fruit ( both fresh and rotten) as items to throw to express extreme displeasure, has been established through the ages and should be considered as honourable expression of opinion.
    Compared to the use of rocks (aka ‘stoning’) as specified in the Koran it is actually modest and physically harmless.
    I’m sure that the Finance Minister would claim the dry cleaning costs as a tax deduction.
    
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    September 21, 2022 12:17pm
    - kowtow
      
      Nope , throwing any object at a person with intent to strike is an assault I i do believe) .Battery if it connects .
      
      We don’t need that shit in our politics.
      
      Not even cream cakes on the face .
      
      Seriously , leave it out.
      
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      September 21, 2022 2:01pm
Stellaboxer

Robbo seems to have learnt the meaning of the old adage that governments should be afraid of the people not the people afraid of their government.
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September 21, 2022 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump uses that often. “We The People”
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:58am
Simon

Will the Commission of Inquiry into covid 19 response come up with the best series of cancer screening programs for the general population?
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September 21, 2022 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I seem to be doing OK. Active surveillance for Prostate. There is low level cancer. 3 monthly PSA blood tests, 6 monthly MRI, and yearly Biopsy under anesthetic.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:06am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sorry, I forgot. Thankyou to Norths Shore Hospital, Auckland Radiology and Labtests. Thankyou.
    
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    September 21, 2022 6:09pm
MCōs

Tweet of the minute
https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1572312281903501315?s=21&t=BpBSbm6OCmlPrzaruabBkA
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September 21, 2022 8:12am
- The Boss
  
  Why not tell us what it is about? We might or might not be interested.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:25am
  - MCōs
    
    Not telling.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:38am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Not looking.
      
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      September 21, 2022 2:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Similar to “Comrade” I am sure you know what I mean.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:10am
G152

What is our Minister of Finance blathering on about now?
And why should we care
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September 21, 2022 8:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And why should we care
  
  Because some of team 5M aren’t team players any more…. and that makes our leaders very very sad.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    More and more are ‘unsubscribing?’
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:11am
Gravelroad

So $Stuff@propaganda has started the anti-monarchy, pro-republic campaign today with a lengthy article telling us what’s going to happen and why resistance is futile.
Here is an excerpt from the article:
“Holden briefed supporters last week on New Zealand Republic – Kia Mana Motuhake a Aotearoa’s plan, which is to campaign for a referendum – optimistically, as early as 2026, but “at least before 2040” – and use the intervening period to persuade an undecided rump of 35 to 65-year-old Kiwis that their objections to a republic in Aotearoa are mere red herrings.”
As one of the “rump” as described, here is a tip for Mr Holden: insulting people with terms such as “rump” is not going to make me keen to embrace your cause.
At all.
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September 21, 2022 8:17am
- WaynelSexton
  
  The “rump” are the decendants of the British settlers. Settlers are already a minority in the under 20 age bracket.
  By 2040 the majority of the Settlers (the boomers) will be senile and dying.
  Demographics are destiny.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:27am
  - Jack5
    
    Wayne Sexton assumes recent non-White settlers and their descendants will oppose a constitutional monarchy.
    
    Not what’s happened in Britain, where there is strong support from ethnic minorities such as Sikhs and many Africans. Consider the number of folk of Asian descent in high positions in the Conservative Party.
    
    New Zealand, with its one-fifth indigenous population, and growing minorities from the Pacific, China, India and the Philippines, will partilcularly need the stability provided by a constitutional monarchy, especially one like NZ’s present one, with an absent, non-participating monarch.
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:15am
    - WaynelSexton
      
      I’m not African, Chinese, Polynesian, etc so I wouldn’t know what system they would prefer to live under.
      All I know is my ancestors preferred not to live under a Maori system once they had the majority.
      
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      September 21, 2022 11:53am
Tomtoddy

Interesting numbers. Atlanta airport was the busiest in the world with over 105 million passing through in 2018. By 2020 this was down to 42 million. Beijing numbers fell from 97 million to 34 million.

With so few people using aircraft, such a reduction in travel and work why didn’t CO2 levels fall?
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September 21, 2022 8:25am
- MCōs
  
  The stuff’s still there from previously?
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:32am
  - westernScientist
    
    it is still increasing though, at least at baring head.
    
    https://niwa.co.nz/climate/research-projects/carbonwatchnz/dailyco2measurements
    
    My guess is that while travellers are down, the reduction in the amount of co2 emitted from burning jet fuel is only down by a negligible amount as a proportion of total global environmental and anthropocentric co2 emissions.
    
    Burning of jet fuel is about 2.5% of global emissions total. which is more than 10 times New Zealands total CO2 equivalent claimed emissions. i.e. both are negligible and changes in them will not show up in environmental measurements.
    
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    September 21, 2022 8:47am
    - rouppe
      
      So why is New Zealand committing billions to the “climate change” cause when the NZ emissions are negligible?
      
      Every living thing in NZ could be eliminated; every person; every animal; every bird; every marine creature. And global emissions would drop by less than 0.5% (since NZ has fairly high geothermal activity), which is meaningless.
      
      I’ve said before, NZ’s biggest environmental problem isn’t emissions, it it water quality. Improving that would improve more people’s lives than improving our emissions score.
      
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      September 21, 2022 9:35am
      - westernScientist
        
        I think its 0.5% if you magically stop the natural sources as well. Of course it is meaningless.
        As for water quality, i cant see any issues except in a couple small areas of some major cities. It is a pretty minimal problem as well.
        
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        September 21, 2022 10:01am
  - westernScientist
    
    To add to that, A cursory google search suggests that jet fuel usage is down by about 1/3rd on average over the last 3 years (projected out to the end of 2022). So, a reduction of less than 1% of anthropocentric CO2 emissions. normal y/y variations in measurements is going to struggle to show that up.
    
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    September 21, 2022 8:54am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  With all the “don’t travel” non-action of the lockdown period, there were reports of clearer water and air in places around the world.
  
  I wonder if the CO2 level declined at all when so many people were not driving or flying?
  
  If there was no significant change to CO2 levels at all, that would raise a lot of questions.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:35am
  - westernScientist
    
    Not really, personal travel does not account for a huge proportion of emissions. Most places generation of electricity and heating are the largest sources of co2 emissions. Transport of goods didnt really stop, and generally industrial usages didnt really stop. I dont know what the number actually is, but individuals driving cars around or taking flights is not a big part of the global co2 emissions portfolio.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:03am
    - Bob
      
      but individuals dr……
      then why are all the moves to combat this imagined crisis aimed at the average person’s daily travel activities.\!
      
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      September 21, 2022 9:34am
      - kowtow
        
        Designed to make individuals feel guilty about their personal version of climate crime .
        
        This is part , as I said ,of a war on freedom .
        
        Psyops . Propaganda .
        
        The great and the good are all making their way to UN HQ this minute ,burning huge amounts of fossil fuel, using up huge scarce resources that we Plebs could only dream of.
        
        They will talk climate . Meanwhile Russia seizes Ukraine . China eyes Taiwan . Migrant crises across the globe . Rampant crime and govt corruption .
        
        But they will literally talk about the weather , and destroying our economies and freedoms .
        
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        September 21, 2022 10:23am
      - alloytoo
        
        ….and not building emission free nuclear power stations….
        
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        September 21, 2022 10:36am
    - rouppe
      
      So why are those things (cars and flights) the focus of “climate action”?
      
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      September 21, 2022 9:36am
      - westernScientist
        
        I dont know, but it is not doing much, or going to do much to reduce the amount of co2 in the atmosphere if that is the goal. Some will think it is some grand scheme, I think it is just a self reinforcing virtue signalling circle jerk.
        
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        September 21, 2022 9:58am
      - kowtow
        
        Because “they” can.
        
        Remember they own the airlines , they license vehicles and drivers , determine the tax spend on roads / airports .
        
        It makes them look like they’re doing something.
        
        or is it just the first easy steps in limiting our freedom to travel and move about . While they go everywhere in chauferred limos with personal security and in air farce jets . Nice.
        
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        September 21, 2022 10:26am
    - Cassandra
      
      Then why are we spending a fortune on transport reduction and simultaneously buggering up the quality of life and work of tens of thousands of New Zealanders? It’s OK, I know the answer – a combination of virtue signalling, fuckwittedness, arrogance plus gluttony (didn’t want to leave Robbo out).
      
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      September 21, 2022 9:46am
- Albert_Ross
  
  They did. And then they increased again as normal life resumed.
  
  https://www.nature.com/articles/s43017-022-00285-w
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:51am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Emissions from airplanes are not very significant. CO2 in the atmosphere in 2020 and 2021 just kept going up at the same rate as previous years.
  
  https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide#:~:text=The%20global%20average%20carbon%20dioxide,2021%3A%20414.72%20parts%20per%20million.
  
  Note that this did not stop some lunatics in New Zealand ‘celebrating’ our lock downs because they would address the ‘climate crisis’.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Less planes but more CO2?
    Must be the increase of Alien visits.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:17am
- cmm
  
  Coz 90% of the CO2 comes from natural sources such as Greta-approved compost heaps etc.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Greta will know – when somebody tells her
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:14am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Atmospheric Co2 is a product of heat (primarily from the sun, and orbital changes in relation to the heat source (the sun), and also solar activity (solar flares and other solar bursts) not the other way around. Heat the oceans and the biosphere, and they release more Co2 into the atmosphere. The earth gets hotter coming out of an ice age. We are at the tail end of that process so yeah, each new yearly global average temp is probably going to be ‘breaking records”. There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about this.
  
  Co2 also has a negative logarithmic relationship to the ability to absorb infrared radiation. The more Co2 the less IR absorption. Non-activist atmospheric physicists calculate an approx 1C rise of average global temps per DOUBLING of atmospheric Co2. Not a problem. Alarmists are chasing the wind at great expense to everyone else.
  
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  September 21, 2022 2:47pm
dave_c_

Perhaps, I should not be lazy, and do the research myself.
However, does anyone know if it is possible for one person to sign up for ‘Premium access’ to view certain news stories, and then share password (etc) with friends?
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September 21, 2022 8:26am
- peterwn
  
  Until two or more people try and log into the same account simultaneously or the site operator notices excessive use from a variety of IP addresses.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:54am
  - MCōs
    
    As an extension to that.
    I canceled my Sky account via satellite because it was getting too expensive and now have a Sky Now online to watch sport.
    Previously others could use my account to access Sky Go while I watched via the set top box. Only one person at a time can access Sky Now.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:22am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    What Peter said. With the NZ Herald you can log in on up to five devices. You would probably get away with sharing login details, but if they catch you, you will be cancelled (breach of terms ands conditions) – this applies to most paywalled news papers for obvious reasons.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:29am
- Joely Doe
  
  Extreme Paywall Bypasser – on Edge browser or other Chromium browsers works perfectly on Herald and many other sites
  
  Extreme Paywall Bypasser
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:49am
  - peterwn
    
    Cannot bring myself to do this. As far as I am concerned it is like entering the PLU code for peanuts at New World when buying cashews.
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:09am
- kowtow
  
  dave c
  
  If you are a library member at your local authority then look up pressreader .
  
  You pay for it already through your rates.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:28am
  - Hebe123
    
    And they the taxes to central government (PIJF)
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:30am
RockyJ

Grant Robertson goes cry baby over people saying hurty words. To be honest calling him a “pedophile” is unacceptable. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/labour-considering-axing-iconic-election-walkabout-as-grant-robertson-reveals-details-of-abuse.html

He attributes this to people getting false information and fake news. No, Grant, people are angry because they are getting the facts.

Labour politicians don’t understand that respect is a two way street. During their time in office Labour have been consistent in their contempt for ordinary kiwis.

Us deplorables are not polite when we are steamed up. We lack upper class control. Sorry, Grant, get over yourself and try to understand why we are so angry.

He says something chilling and this is that there might be a change in the way the election is run. Maybe a Reichstag fire?
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September 21, 2022 8:28am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t care if people are angry or not, you don’t shout out that someone is a pedophile. That’s just disgusting.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:44am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    It is as disgusting as calling people deplorables and part of the river of filth.
    Memorandum to Labour Party people;
    You hand out the insults. You will get the insults back; times two. If you treat people with respect then National would need a new leader, because your Labour Party would be so far ahead in the polls.
    
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    September 21, 2022 8:57am
  - RoboRob
    
    I believe the lefties in the US are now referring to it as no big deal. They call it ‘Minor-Attracted People’.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:06am
  - rouppe
    
    Wouldn’t the same argument apply to those that call all white people “colonisers” and “slave traders”?
    
    I was thinking the other day that I don’t hear anything about what the Spanish did in South America. Why are they exempt?
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:39am
  - Cassandra
    
    People don’t really think he’s a paedophile – it’s just an insult. People don’t really think he’s a vagina yet they still call him one colloquially. He should 1. Chill out, and 2. Stop failing to do what we pay him for eg manage our national finances, reduce inflation, spend money wisely. He does none of those hence the nasty words.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:52am
  - Yabster
    
    I agree, but was that actually shouted out ?- Robertson is a master liar.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:37am
  - MCōs
    
    Someone on Facebook who disagreed with my opinion on something of no great importance worked themselves up and having established from my profile that I was domiciled in Thailand stated that I must be a pedophile.
    Not very pleasant and a foolish thing to do on a public forum as she used her own name and was easily traceable.
    I let it slide, but another person might have been more proactive.
    
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    September 21, 2022 12:45pm
    - Ghost
      
      It’s one of the worst things as far as I’m concerned a person could throw at someone.
      
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      September 21, 2022 1:06pm
- cmm
  
  I’m sure Robbo thought it was awfully funny when Nats got dildoed.
  He probably sang along with the scumbag singing about John Key’s daughter.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:46am
- MCōs
  
  Politicians have always been accused of lying, breaking promises, keeping promises they never made and all the rest.
  In that respect for twenty years from the early seventies was far worse.
  However now any crank can utilize social media to heap abuse on whosoever they choose in the most vile terms and wind up those predisposed to indignation.
  Previously one had to take pen and paper and draft a letter to the editor.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:53am
- I remember when
  
  Ignoring the number of times the word “pedophile” was used or how many actually used that word –
  The ‘Newshub’ item on Grant’s Northland experiences seemed to imply that political protests are no longer allowed.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:38am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Apart from the alleged one-hurty word, we are only talking about a dozen people with placards appearing.
    There was no real threat even implied.
    Mud, eggs, sex toys….it is not like this is uncharted territory around some MPs getting abuse or something hurled.
    
    Oh the Horror!
    Forthwith, all Lamingtons and Lamington owners will need to be registered with the NZ Police.
    
    I am glad that the PM has to think twice about being in public outside of stage-managed events or primary schools. No sympathy.
    She, and Robertson, are presiding over the most harmful, incompetent and damaging government we have ever had.
    If a few people want to send a ‘F–k you’ in their direction, I am glad they get to hear it.
    They earned it.
    
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    September 21, 2022 12:06pm
Pongo

There has been very little coverage of the latest bond figures and the enormous rise in rents. Akl central is being used as a fig leaf as rents are pretty static there with immigration and it being a shit place to live.
Canterbury up 9.5%, Wellington 9.4%, Taranaki 11.1% etc etc.
This is a direct result of government policies hammering landlords. The bottom end of the market is being abandoned hence the 30,000 people in emergency housing and worse to come. The state cant build houses quick enough to replace private landlords and there is a good argument the state would be better using its funds to perhaps get us access to 1st world drugs rather than building which they do very expensively.
With the interest tax shortly going to 50% the next wave of exiting landlords will hit hard.
Look at Ireland where there were 731 vacant rentals for a population of 5 million. Look at rents in Scotland and England for a precursor of where our market is going.
Landlords are moving to the new townhouse market because of govt policies, the composition of available houses is changing unnoticed. National are going unnoticed in this area no doubt fearful they find themselves associated with the hated property owning classes but they should unashamedly celebrate investing and providing houses.
Maybe if it starts effecting the trans community the media might notice.
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September 21, 2022 8:32am
- k1w1
  
  It’s a very weird market. I’m struggling to find tenants, and it’s not down to price too high.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:59am
  - artemisia
    
    I hear some other landlords have the same issue. Depends on location it seems. Like Auckland CBD apartments staying vacant due mostly to big drop in overseas students.
    
    On the news, employers have applied for something north of 50,000 visas. That should help over time, if they are mostly approved, and there is net migration (not a given of course).
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:39am
  - Pongo
    
    My property manager is putting on 10% in between tenants and have absolutely no problem finding good tenants. In Christchurch where are you ?
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:47am
    - Joely Doe
      
      Agree. Christchurch is a great market at the moment. It is all swings and roundabouts though.
      
      Of course, the vetting of potential tenants has become nearly a full-time job.
      A quick FB check will sometimes show the baby daddy (who didn’t turn up to the viewing) in full gang colours and facial tats… Application goes straight into the rubbish bin.
      
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      September 21, 2022 9:54am
    - k1w1
      
      AKL, North Shore.
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:06am
Maggie Pie

I’ll tell you what is a bit of a worry….

I was reading that police STILL haven’t located who they describe as ‘extremely-dangerous’ criminal Hendrix Rawiri Jury, after he caught a flight out of Christchurch to the North Island 🙁

https://police.govt.nz/news/release/man-wanted-following-christchurch-shooting-incident

What made me think about it, was when this just popped up on YouTube earlier today…..

https://youtu.be/WuLwHhJs-6M
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September 21, 2022 8:32am
- Southern Raider
  
  He’s not very distinctive. I can imagine he blends in easily and it’s very hard for the cops
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:35am
Southern Raider

Another major ram raid inside an Auckland Mall

Why aren’t the public more up in arms about effectively living in a third world crime spree

We seem as a nation to have accepted bollards and roller doors on shop, smash and grabs, car break ins etc are all normal
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September 21, 2022 8:33am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Southern, the public aren’t up in arms because they are being told it’s not happening or it’s not as bad as it’s being made out. This one at St Lukes was in broad daylight with shoppers around. We have a police force that has been hamstrung by a weak and ineffective Government and it’s policies.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:53am
  - RoboRob
    
    I did wonder where the police were with respect to st Lukes. I haven’t been there in years but seem to recall that a police station is quite close to it?
    
    A quick google search shows Balmoral police station is 2 blocks away, 1.5km and a 4min drive (for a non police vehicle). Whilst I hold government policy to blame for the spike in crime you do have to wonder where the f@#k the police are?
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:11am
- cmm
  
  Far too many people see this as a “victimless crime”. Just a bunch or Rick Prick insurance companies impacted.
  
  Little do they realise that when an insurance company pays out, it ends up coming out of everybody’s pocket.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:48am
- Lance
  
  On the AM show this morning they had Graeme Lowe and some other woman on as regular guests.
  When the topic was brought up about the brazen smash and grab raid in New Lynn mall and how people are becoming afraid for their personal security these days the replies were:
  Graeme “I am more worried about the perpetrators”
  Woman ” I am worried about the right-wing threats to our politicians”
  
  You can’t make this shit up
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:06am
- MCōs
  
  What happened yesterday at St Luke’s was not a “3rd world crime spree” if Bangkok is anything to go by.
  Jewelry stores in malls weren’t robbed in such a manner when I was there because they had meaningful security. That is they were armed.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:11am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Given that some owners have been done-over 3 times in 14 months I hear, when will shop owners sleep inside their shops?
    Sikhs were recognised by the British as a martial race. If a few of them sleep on the premises for a few months, with axe handles ready….Well, then we DO know the police will come quickly and down like a ton of bricks ….on the shop keepers who defend themselves!
    
    Personally, I think it is time for some of these teens to come to a sticky end. It will be a positive benefit for society overall, I am sure of that!
    
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    September 21, 2022 12:42pm
westernScientist

Russia is setting up referendums in regions of eastern Ukraine for them to join Russia. This is probably more of a strategic move than one would think on the surface. We know the outcome will be to join Russia, irrespective of how the population might vote. Integrating the regions into Russia will mean any Ukrainian troops in them can be seen as an invasion into Russian territory. It would make general mobilisation much more likely if not inevitable, but also, it moves the situation into the realm of Russian nuclear doctrine of defence in the existentialist threat to the motherland. After all from the Russian point of view, the Ukrainians would be trying to invade the contiguous Russian border (even if it is a border inside of what was Ukraine at the start of the year).

It is interesting that Putin appears to have been scheduled for a national address earlier this morning which never happened. Maybe it was just fog of war, or maybe he pulled out, either way not really sure.
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September 21, 2022 8:38am
- Cinematic
  
  A fake referendum doesn’t magically create a new border.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:54am
  - westernScientist
    
    No, military force does. From the Russian perspective the ‘referendum’ will give them justification to escalate if they choose to, which my personal opinion is that they will. It has very little to do with where we or the west think the border is, but a lot to do with where the Russian government can claim it is to their people.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:32am
    - Cinematic
      
      Military force hasn’t worked well for the Russians so far. Imaginary borders will work just as poorly. Nukes aren’t an option, that’s fairytale stuff.
      
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      September 21, 2022 9:57am
- Lance
  
  Because all Putin has left is nukes after this debacle.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:26am
Maggie Pie

I was only sort of half-listening before, but thought I heard Mike Hosking say…. Grant Robertson was worried about someone throwing a Lamington at him?

Yet I see Matthew Hooten writing, this is the same guy who led organisations back in the 90’s that regularly threatened the safety of MP’s, including effigy burnings etc.

If you can’t handle-the-jandal Robbo. LOL!!
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September 21, 2022 8:49am
Harry Knuts

Brazen daytime robbery.. again – https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/09/police-swarm-auckland-mall-following-smash-and-grab.html
Isn’t it time the likes of Westfield up’s their security on their premises for the sake of keeping their tenants safe? These yoof know perfectly well the malls are low on security and the mall cops are not really the type that will gets hands on.
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September 21, 2022 8:55am
- nathie
  
  Yeah Mall management need to step up their game in terms of having better security.
  
  But perhaps the law needs strengthening to allow Security Guards to carry batons and pepper sprays, otherwise without them they may not be as effective.
  
  After all thuggery only respects counter-thuggery.
  
  And it looks like Simon Bridges and National called it correctly a couple of years ago when they advocated for roving “Raptor Squads”. Oh how Labour, Greens and MSM ridiculed and mocked that idea endlessly …. but look where we are today (with emboldened crims and wannabe crims taking advantage of wimpy political posturing and messaging – gee thanks for nothing LabGreensMSM)!
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:21am
  - MCōs
    
    Police squads that turn up ten minutes after the perpetrators have left the building are useless.
    For a start they’re not likely to be in that part of Auckland.
    To me it’s either the mall or the shop that has to beef up security.
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:24am
    - kowtow
      
      You’re victim blaming .
      
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      September 21, 2022 10:36am
      - MCōs
        
        Sure a shop/bank/hospital should be able to freely operate and rely on the local constabulary for protection, but that’s just wishful thinking and precautions need to be taken.
        
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        September 21, 2022 1:05pm
Yadayada

I was reading Stuff this morning (I wonder why I b9tyer but it’s nice to know what the Government rag is on about) when I came across this article on possible republican arguments.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129909814/official-mourning-of-queen-elizabeth-ii-is-over-nz-republic-is-ready-to-talk-about-the-future

It quoted John Tamihere on his views and at the bottom was this pearl:

“Everyone’s got to go to the toilet, mate. Just because you come out of a certain womb doesn’t mean you’re better than me.”.

The irony is huge.
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September 21, 2022 9:03am
- Nickc2
  
  I believe John Tamihere sees himself as a candidate for President of the mythical land referred to as Aotearoa.
  Well, John, I have news for you. Should the mythical land become a Republic, it’ll most certainly have what you are recorded as calling a ‘Front Bum’ for President and probably for life.
  That said, get back in your racist box.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And someone who can’t discern between “mischief” and serious sexual abuse of underage schoolgirls is a concern.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/john-tamihere-on-roast-busters-front-bums-and-running-for-auckland-mayoralty/N5VX45A3TSORY5V5IBV2URZ5WA/
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129672609/men-admit-historical-sex-offending-committed-when-they-were-in-high-school
    
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    September 21, 2022 10:50am
    - Ian Boag
      
      We’ll omit “assault with a weapon” and some diligent carpet lifting ….
      
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      September 21, 2022 11:21am
  - rouppe
    
    That’s why I don’t support becoming a republic.
    
    The alternative is a Maori oligarchy, with people like Willie Jackson, John Tamihere and various “kaumatua” seeing themselves swimming deeply in that trough
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:57am
- O C Smith
  
  and our official mourning is not yet over.
  
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  September 21, 2022 3:07pm
Rusty

I wonder when Jacinda was in England for the Queens funeral whether she caught up with her old mentor fabian socialist Tony Blair?

The amount of marxist garbage he filled up in her head when Jacinda worked at his office has had an indirect result on what’s going on today in NZ with 3Waters /HePuapua and a host of other radical policies this govt is forcing on Nzers.
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September 21, 2022 9:05am
- MCōs
  
  Tony Blair is hardly a Marxist.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:26am
  - Rusty
    
    MCos – ok perhaps Blair wasn’t a “hard line” marxist but he definitely was a hard line ‘fabian’ socialist
    
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    September 21, 2022 1:27pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Anyone who gives Cindy a job is definitely suspect IMO!
      
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      September 21, 2022 2:16pm
  - Jack5
    
    British socialism had its own path, and it wasn’t Marxist.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_socialist_movement_in_the_United_Kingdom
    
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    September 21, 2022 2:20pm
Yvette

Investigative journalism?

Uffindell’s accusers happy for report on MP’s conduct to be made public
… But the woman and her father stand firmly by her account of what happened at the flat, and are deeply unhappy Uffindell’s word was taken over hers.
… The former flatmate’s father said both he and his daughter were happy for the report to be shared publicly in redacted form, with the names of the 14 participants anonymised.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/09/21/uffindells-accusers-happy-for-report-on-mps-conduct-to-be-made-public/

As this article borders on “investigative journalism”, I do wonder why the same thorough inquiry is not applied to “3 Waters”, to reveal the “tyrannical” status of the Maori Advisory Council (already established and chaired by Pita Mahuta) set to advise Taumata Arowai ª(already established) which will control the Four Regional Entities (on its way now) which have the “co-governance” that has featured in the relatively meagre coverage this whole issue has been accorded by the media? (Jacinda’s national non-Maori “conversation still to be had)

Why do some issues inspire “deeper” media inquiry – like researching the Uffindell matter from so many angles – but not joining any dots on other matters?
QED?
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September 21, 2022 9:13am
- Tricati
  
  Unfortunately we know why media won’t look into the 3 waters scam, but are happy to focus/distract on a newly appointed National MP.
  Grant Robertson needs to understand, its the deceptive dismantling of democracy as identified by Yvette above that is pissing people off and having them challenge Labour MP’s. Being a sook and suggesting not to engage and validate their position, only reinforces the view that they know they have an unpalatable agenda, so are doing it by stealth.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:17am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I’m presuming other flatmates did not support her story for the inquiry. Since the bra rack was also misrepresented her motive and reliability is in doubt.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She was given the opportunity to be interviewed by Ms Dew and chose not to.
    
    Her story about running away from the flat to a friend’s flat has now morphed into running to the Library.
    
    (not a thing you would forget, I’d have thought).
    
    She had originally said she fled to her friend’s house but later said she ran to the library where she called her father, who put her up in a motel for the night.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/475174/sam-uffindell-s-accusers-happy-for-report-on-mp-s-conduct-to-be-made-public
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:02am
    - rouppe
      
      Regarding the “running away”, flats are an interesting dynamic. You put a bunch of strangers together, it’s not unexpected that some may not get on with others, and that some flat churn occurs until a reasonably settled group forms.
      
      Had the same thing myself. First flat in Wellington was a shit hole in Berhampore, and there was conflict between me and another, who was rooting the principal tenant. I moved out. Problem solved, I was happier, presumably they were happier, no one cares…
      
      To go back 40 years and say “my mental health was harmed” because it was an unhappy time is ridiculous
      
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      September 21, 2022 11:54am
  - Ian Boag
    
    I think Luxon is trying to have it both ways. He commissioned the investigation, read the report and made a decision which is his to make. It is all an internal National Party matter – he has decided the outcome – and that’s it.
    
    By talking about selected bits of the report he is trying to justify its veracity and convince some of it that it is 100% kosher because he says so. By not releasing any of the real detail he is basically saying the decision was his anyway. He is fudging it with little bits. We should accept the report conclusions because here are some titbits.
    
    It was his call – I agree with that. He could have just said so.
    
    Eventually it will go away no matter what his decision was. A bit like SB did with horror phone call between him and JLR.
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:31am
I remember when

Possible reasons for a decline in our educational performances.
* Whole language versus phonics. Although phonics were still part of the learning experience -certainly when whole language was introduced.
* Proliferation of training providors. Resulting in uneven instruction of trainee teachers. Also less rigourous ‘weeding out’ of those unsuitable because of economics.
* The new Mathematics curriculum.
* An increase in the ‘rights of the student’ changing discipline for teachers.
* Cellphone use.
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September 21, 2022 9:19am
- RockyJ
  
  The root cause is the predilection of lefty academics for “transformational change”. The idea of a system working well and simply needing continuous improvement is anathema.
  
  My bullshit antenna was first activated when Jacinda promised transformation when she won her first term as PM. I have seen this in the corporate world and it usually takes the organisation backwards.
  
  It comes from an egotistical belief in their own intellectual superiority and a belief that all those who have gone before are dumb, uncaring and self serving.
  
  Our educational failures are our biggest threat apart from the threat to democracy. The same egotistical approach is being applied to so many areas from health reform, water reform, conservation reform, even the way farmers operate.
  
  “We know best”
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:09am
Paulus

I am interested to see that the Uffendell as reported is being challenged by the media – but not surprised as I believe it is suggested that the media were not entirely truthful in reporting what the young woman from Dunedin said to them.

It is reported that the young woman, who raised the whole subject of the report, by a eminent top woman KC – often used by the Labour Party too – is against the finality of the report and the conclusion – sadly the media55 are not happy in being accused of not being entirely correct.

Why did the young lady only attend one meeting and refused to do anything further to progress her the complaint she raised, with help of the media55.
We understand that something like 14 people attended meetings with the KC in concluding report.

We are now hearing much obrium aganst the conclusion of the report with some sad comments from the complainent and her media supporters.

Sadly really she made the complaint which is not now substantiated so is now bitter.
Why did she not help the top independent KC ?
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September 21, 2022 9:40am
- Nickc2
  
  Could it be that she too has a political agenda?
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:55am
- nathie
  
  So even though an independent QC (now KC) Maria Dew was appointed who asked for people to come forward in confidence … according to RNZ today:
  
  The woman gave a written statement during the inquiry but did not participate further, believing it to be a political snow job – bought and paid for by the National Party.
  
  “Bought and paid for by the National Party” … said no “normal” person ever? So just wondering, is the complainant or her father affiliated to the Labour Party (or Unions) by chance? Could RNZ make the effort to clear that up, not only for everyone’s sake but now the complainant or her father’s sake? After all Maria Dew has done work for Labour previously so surely it is a smear to suggest that her independence is somehow compromised as “bought and paid for by the National Party”. Come on Radio NZ, transparency please!
  
  RNZ report: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/475174/sam-uffindell-s-accusers-happy-for-report-on-mp-s-conduct-to-be-made-public
  
  Maria Dew and Labour: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labour-party-sexual-assault-review-maria-dews-findings-cant-substantiate-allegation/GFEY4QMHWAP5QPXPR7GT7K5TKU/
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:56am
Alex

In reply to Western Scientist, according to the Telegraph, these referendums in Donbas have been put off because of loss of life by those conducting them . For example the Deputy Mayor of Berdyansk, and another couple Oleg Boyko and his wife who were car bombed.
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September 21, 2022 9:45am
- kowtow
  
  Have they been put off ?
  
  Interesting as I understand the Russian rubber stamp parliamnet has passed draconian laws in tandem with this.
  
  laws for example that would criminalise his conscripts from surrendering and result in 10 years imprisonment .
  
  Hopefully the tyrant will be deposed.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:40am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Did anyone else witness the murder on CNN yesterday?

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1572145367512190978
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September 21, 2022 9:46am
- Littletramp
  
  Oh that is classic. He was totally unprepared for that come back.
  She agreed with his premise, and then ripped him to shreds -sheer class!
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:11am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Don Lemon really had his arse handed to him on a plate there. 😆 😆
    Serves the lefty liar right.
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:53am
- Ghost
  
  Awww, poor guy didn’t expect that, looked like he was going to cry
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:13am
I remember when

Are the Aaron Gilmore ‘hit’ pieces really about showing his lack of suitability to get a place on the Council?
Or, is the intent to show that he represents the type of unsuitable candidate that the National Party select?
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September 21, 2022 9:54am
- Ian Boag
  
  Aaron Gilmore ‘hit’ pieces
  
  If the stories are basically true, he is a pretty easy target ….
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Soft target, as well as an easy target.
    
    Between the dinner-party rudeness incident that ended his Parliamentary career, and now the allegations about his property dealings, Gilmore’s public character has been pretty much demolished.
    
    The point remains, as implied by poster I remember when. Have the MSM picked off Gilmore because of his former link with National?
    
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    September 21, 2022 12:24pm
Handyman

The climate alarmists’ argument is:
Yes our CO2 emissions are miniscule and will make no difference but it is important to (virtue?) signal our commitment to saving the planet.

My response is always: I agree we must suffer to save the planet by committing to do our bit to produce the components of renewable energy. We must immediately provide government funding to mine 500 tonne of earth for every electric car sold in New Zealand.
Kiwi-mine must commit to be copper and cobalt neutral by 2030.

Anything less would show you are not really committed to saving the planet.
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September 21, 2022 9:58am
- My
  
  We can make up for our minuscule CO2 emissions when Lake Taupo goes off.
  Take that China, the United States, India, Japan, and Russia.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  And if that response stumps your interlocutors, then you’re talking to some very stupid people. It doesn’t remotely follow that if you are committed to a particular objective, then you must choose an extremely inefficient and expensive way of achieving it.
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:58am
I remember when

Forestry: Research shows radiata pine is spreading fast throughout NZ: Bush Telegraph.
Modelling by Landcare Research showed that 76% of our land area is climatically capable of supporting pine trees.
Natural regeneration of radiata pine was more severely restricted by frost than other more problematic wilding species such as lodgepole pine, Corsican pine, Douglas fir and Scots pine.
At present it is the largest contributor to NZ’s forestry industry, comprising 90% of the total plantation area, supplies most domestic wood products, is our third largest export earner and contributes about 3% of our GDP.
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September 21, 2022 10:02am
- Matt Long
  
  Wilding pines from Radiata are a thing and future generations will probably spend many billions attempting to control them.
  ONE REstate agent in Northland reports having sold 2000 Ha of farmland to go into permanent weeds for the government subsidy in the last year.
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    Barry Smith a fundamentalist pastor in the Eighties said the UN had decided that New Zealand was for pine trees. Labour seems to agree.
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:36am
    - Rusty
      
      Matt – I remember the late Barry Smith. Went to some of his public meetings in the 80s and 90s.
      
      Yes he did warn about the new age/mother earth worship having a major radical influence in western politics which we know the Greenies/ climate change people are pushing today.
      
      Mind you, Barry also said NZ would become a cashless society in the year 2000. He wasn’t right about everything.
      
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      September 21, 2022 1:38pm
Mobile Michael

Left-wing Twitter exploding because Paul Eagle is NOT endorsing left wing candidates in the Wellington Council elections, but endorsed a right-wing candidate:
https://twitter.com/lachlanp_/status/1572160726248329219?t=Z4rWSxdJr0Fsa4Nhl-wlpQ&s=19
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September 21, 2022 10:09am
- Inandout
  
  MM, it is said the Twitterati number a minor amount and they are outrage-triggered at a moment’s notice.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:41am
  - Its only I
    
    All triggered means is the one in the office assigned to monitor social media has seen a comment that requires them to “trigger” the flood of comments socially engineering something to look like like it isn’t.
    
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    September 21, 2022 12:03pm
thirteenstars

Willoughby, Ohio. Routine traffic stop. Female cop is overpowered by driver. Men rush to her aid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIEvRgrnApQ

There was no way the cop was going to win this struggle. If not for the men rushing to her aid, what was the logical outcome?

It’s really the reverse of trans men competing in female sports.
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September 21, 2022 10:27am
- thirteenstars
  
  And I meant to add, at the end, the cop says to the driver, “You don’t do that to a woman.”
  
  This is the clown world that “diversity, inclusion and equity” has brought us to, where because the criminals don’t obey the rules of your fantasy social constructs, you have no choice but to repair to the old norms of the patriarchy that you claim to despise by admonishing your assailants with sexist inanities.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She has a firearm. Self defence?
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:08am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Sure, it’s an option, but most well-trained police males would have had this guy on the ground without resorting to putting a round through his chest. If all physical confrontations are justifiably solved by using lethal force then even the mere threat of one must also be handled the same way. And that’s nuts.
      
      It seems to me that police use of tasers, spray and guns must increase as more female cops are employed through equity policies.
      
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      September 21, 2022 11:22am
      - Its only I
        
        Another good channel is “donut operator”
        
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        September 21, 2022 12:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I was thinking shoot him in the leg then he ain’t going nowhere
        
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        September 21, 2022 1:16pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “I was thinking shoot him in the leg then he ain’t going nowhere”
        
        Police are trained to kill not wound. Any cop aiming for a leg or arm is going to miss far more often than if aiming for the torso. Misses are bad things for cops facing violent attackers.
        
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        September 21, 2022 1:36pm
      - kowtow
        
        13 stars .
        
        hardly “trained to kill” .
        
        If anything they are trained to aim for the biggest target , and that translates to the torso .
        
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        September 21, 2022 2:30pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “If anything they are trained to aim for the biggest target , and that translates to the torso ”
        
        But they don’t aim for the torso to merely wound. The torso is filled with vital organs. The goal is to kill the attacker. If that’s not your goal as a cop then use your taser, your spray or your self-defence training.
        
        The gun is for killing.
        
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        September 21, 2022 2:56pm
  - kowtow
    
    As a one time fan of American cop shows , I wonder where that patriarchist admonishment comes in terms of his Miranda rights?
    
    The other thing that shocked me was the Cops didn’t appear to thank those “Deplorables” for coming to her assistance or even bother to get their details .
    
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    September 21, 2022 11:15am
ClanMcleod

Research is emerging now — science takes time — that suggests that the Green Pass and other similar coercive measures across the world did not positively affect the outcomes of public health. Studies to this effect are collected here and here. The divisions that arose in our societies due to these measures are deep, and have hardly begun to heal. They are only papered over with a veneer of civil discourse, but in my experience, the positions we held a year ago, we still hold with even greater intensity, albeit in silence.

We don’t talk about it. Like prehistoric tribes, we don’t affirm our common humanity. Instead, we divide the world into the holy and the unholy, the obedient and the rebellious, the vaxxed and the unvaxxed. And “silence like a cancer grows,” as Simon and Garfunkel sang.

One of the best articles re covid responses to date.

https://brownstone.org/articles/reconsidering-lockdowns/
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September 21, 2022 10:32am
I remember when

Vodaphone: Not switching off is a downside of working from home.
Is another one no switching on.
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September 21, 2022 10:41am
- Benedict Yu
  
  I (mainly) work at home. I assure you I am switched on.
  
  “Switching off” is simple. Turn off work laptop. Turn on personal laptop. Go for a walk. Come home. Drink wine. 🙂
  
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  September 21, 2022 12:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Drink ̶w̶i̶n̶e̶ Jack Daniels.
    
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    September 21, 2022 1:19pm
nathie

Welcome to New Cindyland:

*Dairies and retailers repeatedly ram-raided practically nightly.
*Jewelry shops being smashed up on a weekly basis.
*Crims stealing from supermarkets walking out with no consequences.
*Kids stealing cars and trashing them after joy rides.
*Gang gun shootings rising.
*Judges letting crims and rapists off (home detention).

Result? Everyday people suffering, Police (hamstrung by Labour) are no longer a deterrent!

Meanwhile in New Cindyland:

*Someone insults Grant Robertson (which was despicable).
*Someone shows off a lamington cake to the MSM, apparently destined for Grant Robertson.

Result? Grant Robertson demands DPS personal Police protection!!

Surely you couldn’t make this up … oh wait!
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September 21, 2022 10:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  New Zimbabwe thank you.
  
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  September 21, 2022 10:53am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Gee Frank. That’s a deeply insightful way to describe the place. Repetition is one way to get the message through, so you should use the expression a few more times so people will be convinced. 🙂
    
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    December 21, 2021 11:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Indeed, a bit like Ardern and her vaccines are “safe and effective” narrative.
      
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      September 22, 2022 7:33am
Maggie Pie

Just been drying my hair and listening to ZB’s Kerry Woodham.

A long serving cop called up and told her it’s sooo dangerous on the streets these days, that he still carries even when he’s off-duty.
Been in the force for a number and years, loves the job, but going to tell them to shove in a few months.

Welcome to Labor’s…. Free-Range-Asylum.
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September 21, 2022 10:47am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, aren’t those Dyson Supersonic hair dryers fabulous? And only $650.
  
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  September 21, 2022 12:21pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, they are good. But what I have found even better for my really thick hair, is to turn up one of the Mitsi-Heat-Pumps to 30c and stand directly under it.
    
    (Follow me here on GD for even more great self-improvement advice.)
    
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    September 21, 2022 1:27pm
    - mogg
      
      We already do it but use the Daikin. I hope Mr Maggie Pie is watching the ‘bond markets’ there are
      profits to be made. Thanks to the financial wizards (Robbo & Orr) 2019 5yr AA+ rated bonds with face value of $95,000 NZ can now be bought for $79,000. Great if you’re buying absolute disaster if you’re selling
      
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      September 21, 2022 1:47pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Invest your money outside of NZ. Our economy’s a turd sliding down the shitter. Dropped 12% against USD in last 3.5 months.
        
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        September 21, 2022 2:48pm
Takere

Here’s why Mike Lee should be running to be Aucklands next Mayor!

Outing AT’s mega-corporate welfare splurge of Auckland ratepayer’s cash.

All A.T. does is parking ticket infringements. They contract out every other service for billions of dollars from Aucklanders’ pockets!

Watch and listen to Mike tell you how this scam works.

https://youtu.be/E9BncKlw4qI
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September 21, 2022 11:08am
Benedict Yu

Good grief. Jacinda announces that she is going to give us a “secure internet”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129944717/christchurch-call-jacinda-ardern-unveils-new-research-into-algorithms-to–create-a-secure-internet

🙁
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September 21, 2022 11:10am
- rouppe
  
  Yes, saw that too.
  
  Isn’t that exactly what China does with their versions of social media like Weibo?
  
  What she’s edging towards is state surveillance of social media…
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:12am
- Takere
  
  Neo Fascism & McCarthyism is the new mantra from Neoliberal centre right LINO.
  
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  September 21, 2022 11:47am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Here is an idea Jacinda. Leave the internet alone.
  
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  September 21, 2022 12:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Everything she touches turns to shit. My Internet is just fine thankyou.
    If it is not broken, it does not need fixing.
    
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    September 21, 2022 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  She can’t even fix the hole in her back fence.
  
  What chance has she got with the internet?
  
  These algorithms she’s talking about are going to be the same sort of stuff that Facebook uses. People who the algorithm does not like will be disconnected or hampered.
  Now guess who’s going to train the algorithms….
  
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  September 21, 2022 12:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Twyford and Clark
    
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    September 21, 2022 1:24pm
- mogg
  
  This is a diversion from the bad economic news happening now. Cameron Bagrie an independent economist spells it out on the Platform https://youtu.be/7AlQuU4gcxE
  
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  September 21, 2022 2:23pm
- Nickc2
  
  What she’s doing is paving the way for Govt censored Internet in NZ.
  
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  September 21, 2022 7:06pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Presumably she’s looking at alogrithms to help define her “single source of truth”, what could go wrong…….
  
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  September 22, 2022 7:38am
Yvette

New York Times –
BREAKING NEWS
A group of medical experts recommended for the first time that doctors screen all adults under 65 for anxiety.
Tuesday, September 20, 2022 6:35 PM ET
The guidance comes as Americans are coping with illness, isolation and loss from the pandemic, as well as other stressors like inflation and rising crime.

If this is considered by Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Government, why do they not just bring the Election next year to being held this year?
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September 21, 2022 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yeah, this Saturday would be fine with me
  
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  September 21, 2022 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

Looks like someone read my earlier post about Robbo on ZB….

https://twitter.com/Coltheman1/status/1572351006276751360

LOL!!
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September 21, 2022 11:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Comments!!
  
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  September 21, 2022 1:26pm
Captain Mainwaring

Went to the shops earlier. Amazed at the number of Cindy’s little helpers still wearing face nappies.
One idiot had his nappy covering his mouth but not his nose. I was tempted to have a word with him.
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September 21, 2022 12:18pm
- barnacle bill
  
  It is a matter of personal choice Captain.
  
  It has nothing to do with you one way or another.
  
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  September 21, 2022 1:31pm
Swifty

Nasty trans supporters on full colourful display:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11231853/Fascist-Labour-MPs-aide-screams-father-holding-baby.html#comments-11231853

Nasty, just nasty.

They are the fascists.
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September 21, 2022 12:25pm
waripori

Grant Robertson’s new found phobia about pink Lamington’s must be an attempt to continue to deflect attention from his 9 billion dollar problem. I would draw people’s attention to Croaking Cassandra’s post of September 15 in which he blames Orr for this. I blame Robertson. Due to his direction the RBNZ is holding an enormous portfolio of Govt stock with a record low coupon and they have an indemnity from Robertson against any losses. For Robertson not to have understood all that money printing would be inflationary and result in higher interest rates is either unbelievable, inconceivable or both. A week or three ago the loss amounts to 9billion dollars. Once rates have gone up a bit more we will be starting to talk about real money. Without the indemnity the RBNZ might well be insolvent. This is now coming home to roost at 150 to 200 million dollars a month and rising as interest rates rise. That expenditure and the RBNZ loss will have to be reflected in the crown accounts somewhere.

We dont seem to have any journalists who understand how egregious an error of judgement this has been. They might just think it is some sort of mark to market accounting fiction but it is a large amount of very real taxpayer money
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September 21, 2022 12:37pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Yep. Given the uselessness of our MSM every Right-wing blog in NZ should be linking to that Croaking Cassandra piece, as we have over at No Minister with Orrsomely Shite
  
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  September 21, 2022 2:14pm
  - waripori
    
    I dont understand the silence about all this. The Nats dont seem to be talking about it. I have not heard Mike Hosking or HDPA talk about it. It is not that hard to understand. It is certainly an amount of money that would pay for a lot of flag referendums or even about 20% of Auckland light rail.
    
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    September 21, 2022 2:40pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from the UK tweets….

“This is what you can expect when politicians decide to go down the track of diversity and multiculturalism”.

https://twitter.com/jolenebuntinguk/status/1571466502091714562
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September 21, 2022 12:37pm
- kowtow
  
  A cricket match, played between two countries in a third country causes a series of riots between adherents to two religions in a fourth country .
  
  I thort sports was meant to unite us .
  
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  September 21, 2022 1:10pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129944717/christchurch-call-jacinda-ardern-unveils-new-research-into-algorithms-to–create-a-secure-internet

Translation: Jacinda Ardern unveils new algoriddms for the indernet.
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September 21, 2022 1:12pm
Blog-aholic

or are they algorediddums?
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September 21, 2022 1:29pm
Benedict Yu

Honestly the stupid makes my head hurt.

“He [Te Pāti Māori co-leader Rawiri Waititi] asked: “Why for the Queen of England and not for the Māori Queen Te Arikinui Te Atairangikaahu and many other significant figures of te iwi Māori?””

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/129946721/queen-elizabeth-ii-memorial-day-is-official–but-not-without-controversy

Who is “Te Arikinui Te Atairangikaahu”?
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September 21, 2022 1:34pm
- Swifty
  
  The current King of Huntly’s late Mum.
  
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  September 21, 2022 2:19pm
- Ghost
  
  I remember Dame Te Atairangikaahu funeral, it was broadcast on tv, wasn’t it a state funeral? I remember the waka taking her body down the river, was an impressive funeral
  
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  September 21, 2022 2:29pm
  - MCōs
    
    She was a very impressive and popular Māori Queen for a long time.
    It’s often the case that long standing and well liked monarchs leave big shoes that are difficult to fill.
    
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    September 21, 2022 3:03pm
- Taieri
  
  Why for the Queen of England
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  Her official title in this country was the Queen of New Zealand.
  
  As for the Maori Queen (or King), while undoubtedly influential, this office is not even recognised as by many Maori tribes including Tuhoe, Ngapuhi or Ngai Tahu. In effect, the Maori King is a private person, without any official standing.
  
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  September 21, 2022 5:55pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The Kingi movement is really only a Waikato thing. It was never accepted by other iwi, which is why there is no widespread acceptance of the Maori King.
    
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    September 21, 2022 8:50pm
kowtow

Here we go again.

And note how the “offence” is made worse by proximity to certain dates , utterly ridiculous .

No sense of humour these fascists .

“A party in which students were encouraged to wear their “best hori attire” has sparked backlash in the wake of Maori Language Week.
The “Shed Pati” held at the University of Otago’s Arana College on Saturday was organised by Maori students, who have apologised for causing offence with what was simply intended as a fun party.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/no-cultural-sensitivity-backlash-over-students-shed-pati
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September 21, 2022 1:50pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Why on earth did they apologize instead of telling the offended twit to grow up and f.o.?
  
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  September 21, 2022 4:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    These guys are too soft.
    There’s nothing wrong with suggesting that they should just mind their own business.
    
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    September 22, 2022 3:47pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum retweets…. 😀

Getting the Public Service Commission to investigate Mahutacorp, would be akin to asking Tom Sawyer to paint the front fence.

https://twitter.com/SimeonBrownMP/status/1572391439614746629
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September 21, 2022 1:57pm
- mogg
  
  No TomSawyer was smart about painting the front fence. Mahutacorp is just stupid beyond words.
  
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  September 21, 2022 2:29pm
I remember when

Just learned from Newshub that Mark Mitchell using family members in his electorate office is the equivalent of the Ormsby family appointments.

So much to learn, so little time.
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September 21, 2022 2:12pm
Maggie Pie

There are certain burbs in Auckland where home-owners need to be afraid…very afraid 🙁

https://twitter.com/Kellybythesea1/status/1572391362523451400

Imagine where this could spread if Fester was elected.
Just saying.
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September 21, 2022 3:10pm
- Ghost
  
  Well that house will lose its value
  
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  September 21, 2022 3:20pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  That is what happens when the bureaucrats usurp property rights. If the homeowner had tradeable property rights to sunlight and privacy the new building developer would have had to pay full and acceptable compensation. As it is s/he gets nothing.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:30pm
Prince

I understand Robertson is very, very angry at his RBNZ Governor losing $9 Billion recently.
At the current rate of increasing debt, that will take Robertson 106 days, at $86M per day, to cover, just to stand still.
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September 21, 2022 3:46pm
mogg

Back in March Treasury we’re predicting a $5.1 B loss for the taxpayer on Robbo’s $53 B Covid QE bonds purchase. In light of the recent rout on bond markets what do the loses amount to now??
We have to remember that it is the very same money
that is causing 7.3% inflation right now. That’s what comes from having economic illiterates in charge of the economy. The NZ taxpayer has been well and truly screwed over by a this bumbling fool.
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September 21, 2022 4:08pm
Ghost

Didn’t know last summer was our fifth hottest. I guess that is why so many people down here had fires going on and off through last summer, electric blanket stayed on the bed. Sure we had a couple of hot days, but a lot of cooler days and snow appearing on the hills a few times.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300693773/get-set-for-another-scorching-summer-with-a-marine-heatwave-on-the-way
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September 21, 2022 4:40pm
- All_on_Red
  
  La Nina
  
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  September 21, 2022 4:56pm
kowtow

On HDPA just now, audio from the House , Seymour ;” Grant Robertson is a bigger threat to lamingtons than lamingtons are to Grant Robertson”

Bwahahahahahaha.
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September 21, 2022 4:57pm
rangitoto

Seymour says Robberson is a threat to lamingtons.
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September 21, 2022 5:03pm
Alan Matt

Hi,
Can anyone point to the blog article or maybe it was a comment,
It’s a quote where,

Kelvin Davis is asked what the money was spent on, re Kainga Ora or similar organisation,
And he answers basically he doesn’t know, he asked the questions of the org but just got given a few pieces of paper…

I’d like like to print it out for the next political discussion I have…

I have looked but no luck,
Thanks,
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September 21, 2022 5:46pm
- Ghost
  
  Yeah, you want Maggy’s post
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2022/09/general_debate_20_september_2022.html/comment-page-1#comment-3245725
  
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  September 21, 2022 6:12pm
Ghost

So Patrick Gower’s the crowd calling out we love you jacinda was one person

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/queen-elizabeth-death-patrick-gower-apologises-for-swearing-on-live-television/RAUZEWWX5UQEMTFVXMSIR7FXMQ/
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September 21, 2022 6:04pm
surfing

Chris Hipkins, on newstalkzb was complaining that people who were opposed to three waters are not offering an alternative solution.

However, this is untrue. Stephen Joyce, the best PM who was never PM, suggested…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/steven-joyce-three-waters-a-tipping-point-for-disillusioned-provincial-nz/5D2HYYE3RUMTFGEPXXY25GZXNQ/

Sorry , behind paywall, but his idea is simple. Form a new water company for each region. These companies would have greater economies of scale than individual councils (and be more responsive to regional issues than Wellington).

Councils are allocated shares and receive revenue according to their assets. The councils get to appoint directors, including board places for iwi if really necessary. Surpluses flow back to the councils.

So, Oi! Hipkins/Mahuta…. idea that!
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September 21, 2022 6:32pm
- Ghost
  
  Here is an alternative, leave it how it is, if councils can’t afford to fix their infrastructure loan them the money. Why punish all the country because some councils haven’t maintained their infrastructure.
  
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  September 21, 2022 6:36pm
  - surfing
    
    The regional water company model would allow for borrowing, while also benefiting from economies of scale.
    
    Having a board that is responsible for water quality over the long term seems better than elected officials who have a 3 year term.
    
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    September 22, 2022 7:43am
Ghost

Russian President Vladimir Putin today announced a partial mobilisation in Russia as the war in Ukraine reaches nearly seven months and Moscow loses ground on the battlefield.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-announces-partial-mobilisation-for-russian-citizens/OYZNPPEIIGYNCUMOPKNXLAONUY/
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September 21, 2022 6:34pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Putin’s skin is on the line.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:09pm
  - Ghost
    
    yeah, he’s drafted 300,000 russians, he’s going to escalate
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:46pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Reserves have been run down since the 80’s.
      Whoever is left don’t want to go and besides its doubtful he has the weapons for them anyway. They cant get the new parts to fix their broken stuff.
      And the Ukrainians have seized a huge amount or material from them.
      Guess we will see.
      
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      September 22, 2022 3:42pm
- surfing
  
  More worrying he is threatening to use nukes, presumably against the Ukraine and the UK .
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:20pm
Nickc2

It is with deep concern that tonight I witnessed a new low in TVNZ1 history! They have appointed John Campbell as their 6PM News Reader.
Is that the stench of Willie Jackson at work?
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September 21, 2022 6:58pm
- graham
  
  He has previously filled in, very occasionally – I’m guessing they’re a bit thin on the ground at the moment with half the team in England.
  
  My wife can’t stand him on the news – she says he seems unable to understand that he’s presenting the news, not a current affairs program or breakfast TV. Pro tip to John: they’re called news readers for a reason. You’re not there to perform; just read the news.
  
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  September 21, 2022 8:24pm
  - Alex
    
    Poor Amanda does the same on AM, has to make comments on the news, we don’t want to hear them.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:21pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not that I watch Government TV, but if I did, that would be the end. Tha man is a Goon.
  
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  September 21, 2022 9:33pm
Maggie Pie

The Horrid reports….

Chris Hipkins believes Mahuta is being targeted because she’s black.

Says….”Let’s talk about Bill English’s family shall we. Or is that okay because he’s white?”

(Mod – deleted, and you can stop saying that)
Just saying.
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September 21, 2022 7:45pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  You come across as a horrible person.
  
  My partner has red hair.
  
  You have expressed both racist and homophobic views on this blog.
  
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  September 21, 2022 7:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    (Mod -deleted and go read the comments policy for commenting on David’s blog https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy)
    
    And don’t bother commenting on my thread again.
    
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    September 21, 2022 8:01pm
  - surfing
    
    Actually I don’t like the anti-ginger thing either. It got way out of hand.
    
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/my-daughter-was-bullied-to-death-in-england-over-her-red-hair-29794602.html
    
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    September 21, 2022 8:18pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  I am waiting “I am a proud heterosexual (rich) racist woman so go away.”
  
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  September 21, 2022 7:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The other nite yu told me you were Taiwanese.
    
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    September 21, 2022 9:09pm
Alex

The ‘shirtless one’ Putin has lost his shirt on Ukraine.
Because of this some of us will be nuked, western aggression will be punished.
Putin is Don Corleone of the Mafia, we are to be taken out Mafia style.
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September 21, 2022 9:17pm
Ghost

hmmm, should a school board be sending an email to parents attacking the media for their reporting of a teenage rapist and defending said rapist?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/furious-parents-demand-principal-step-down-at-school-which-hired-sexual-abuser/M5DTCGDOW6A5DNZ7OP6ICJOVNU/

Victim advocate Ruth Money, who is supporting two women who were abused by the teacher aide, said at the meeting that she felt that the board had been mislead by the principal.

“I believe the board has been conned,” she said. “By one person.”

However, she strongly criticised the board for an email which was sent yesterday to parents by a PR firm.

She said the email had minimised the teacher aide’s actions and suggested that media reporting on the case had been inaccurate.

The reporting was accurate, Money said, and the board were effectively calling vulnerable women liars.

The board was also asked why the police vetting forms were not held on the staff member’s file. A board member said it had been school policy not to attach the vetting forms to staff records, but this policy was now being reviewed.

The board said it would not be commenting further while the investigation is under way. It is scheduled to be completed in term four of the school year.
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The President of the USA can declassify stuff just by thinking about it according to a former President.
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